Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Benjamin Kenyon.
A veteran NBA performance coach and founder of Client Performance Coaching.
🎙️ Interview Summary
Benjamin Kenyon shares his journey from aspiring coach at age 13 to becoming a performance coach in the NBA, including his role with the Philadelphia 76ers. He now works with high-performing executives and entrepreneurs, helping them overcome burnout, sharpen focus, and find clarity. The conversation explores the parallels between elite athletes and business leaders, emphasizing preparation, recovery, and purpose as keys to sustained success.
Background: 11 seasons in the NBA, now coaching executives
2. Kenyon’s Journey
- Early passion for sports and coaching
- Transition into NBA coaching
- Training MVPs and future Hall of Famers
3. Coaching Philosophy
- Importance of execution and being in the right rooms
- Purpose-driven mindset over just athletic skill
- Energy and personality as differentiators
4. Public Life & Athlete Mindsets
- Impact of public salaries and visibility
- Three types of athlete responses to fame:
- Overexposed
- Balanced
- Wise and grounded
5. Kobe Bryant’s Work Ethic
- Comparison of Kobe and Shaq’s training philosophies
- Translating athletic discipline to executive performance
6. Preparation vs. Burnout
- Executives often “run into the day” without warming up
- Importance of morning routines (music, journaling, meditation)
- Recovery as a critical component of performance
7. Burnout & Support Systems
- Rushion’s personal burnout story (2003)
- Kenyon’s advice: build community, seek mentors, and reduce ego
- Importance of self-awareness and asking for help
8. Confidence After Setbacks
- Athletes recovering from injury vs. executives recovering from business failure
- Reconnecting with purpose and values
- Refreshing support systems and team dynamics
9. Client Performance Coaching Framework
- CLIMB Framework:
- Foundation: beliefs, core values, support system, vision, ownership
- Growth: health, performance, mind-body improvement
- Achievement: leadership, emotional intelligence, giving back
10. Peak Performance & Motivation
- Importance of repetition and “getting reps”
- Luka Dončić’s transformation as a case study in motivation
- Intrinsic vs. external motivation
11. Resetting for Success
- Three-step process: Prepare, Perform, Recover
- Daily habits to build consistency and legacy
🔑 Key Takeaways
- Preparation and recovery are just as vital as performance.
- Burnout is common at high levels—support systems and self-awareness are essential.
- Purpose and values drive long-term success, not just financial goals.
- Repetition and routine build consistency and peak performance.
- Motivation must be intrinsic to be sustainable.
- CLIMB Framework offers a structured path for personal and professional growth.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
My guest is a veteran NBA performance coach and the
founder of Client Performance Coaching. After eleven seasons in the NBA,
most recently as director of Performance for the Philadelphia seventy
six ers, he now helps high performing executives, entrepreneurs, and
leaders find clarity, sharp and focus, and overcome burnout. Please
(00:52):
welcome to the Money Making Conversation Master Class. Benjamin Kenyon.
How you doing, sir, I'm doing well.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Thank you for having me on. Man, this is going
to be a time.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Let's talk about your life.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
When you know the NBA, what did the NBA mean?
To you and how did you become a coach in
the NBA.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah, man, So the real quick story.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
When I was thirteen years old, I either wanted to
play professional sports or coach, right, I.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Just literally made that decision.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I said, I really want to be around sports the
rest of my life, and I just I know there's
a shot, but if it doesn't work out, you know,
life happened so fast forward. I was blessed with an
opportunity to coach in the NBA for the last eleven
years at the highest of the highest. I've trained the
MVP dur in the MVP season. I've trained multiple Hall
of famers, Joelle b Dame Lillard, you know, future Superstar,
(01:44):
Superstar now Tyrese Maxi. I'm so blessed to have worked
with some of the best in the NBA. And I
definitely go back and think back to my thirteen year
old self, and I know for sure he'd definitely be
proud for the journey I've gone on. So just hard work,
connect making sure I put myself in the right rooms,
and then just making sure I execute right. I think
(02:04):
that's the big thing that I've always focused on, is
like when I get an opportunity execute and.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Shining that moment.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Cool. First of all, thirteen years old, did you play basketball?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah? Who back in the day.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
You had the hooping skills. Okay, because I've heard of
people like you know, the Miami he coached. You know,
he didn't play professionally and he's one of the great
coaches in the NBA. Now what separated you from a
guy who didn't play professional sports but understood the value
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of training and motivating the professional players.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Yeah, So I recognized my purpose was way bigger than
just to say specifically like basketball, right. I knew that
I had the ability. My gift was on training right
early on in again, I picked up and maybe like
fifth or sixth grade, and I just thought was excited
about it. And so when I was able to actually
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what is it, they sought me out for the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
They saw the passion.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I had in training these athletes right and being able
to help other people be great. And so that's the
thing that I believe separated me on top of just
I feel like I have a personality that's been around
the sport.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
I grew up with guys that play in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
So having that type of caliber that energy I think
is super super important as well.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Well, you know, it's really interesting because you in a
sport just one of the baseball, football, basketball, where salaries
are made public, and I find that kind of it's
weird in the sense that you have no you know,
because these are large numbers of large salaries that are
put out there for individuals who kind of like walking
(03:53):
around a grocery store, walking around parking their cars normally,
and next thing you know, they hold financial place is
put out in public.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
You've been you've been around a game.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
What are players thoughts on that when they when that
happens to them.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah, So so I'll say there's there's a couple of
different mindsets, right, So you've got the the young guys
that maybe they don't have a good system at home, right,
they don't have, you know, the right upbringing in the
sense of just like holding themselves the right way. Just
because when you go outside, people see you for who
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you are, especially if.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
You're an athlete, get it.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
But like if you're wearing jewelry every two seconds kind
of shine it a little too much right for the situation,
people see it.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
That is a good thing, and it could be a
bad thing, right.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
And so what I've seen is the one group they
they don't feel great, right, they kind of have security.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
With them all the time. They put themselves in.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
They don't put themselves in a lot of different positions
to actually be outside all the time. Because in the
celebrity people walking up to them, being around them, it's
a part of the job. But as a human being,
it's still kind of like it can be overwhelming. Then
there's kind of like the middle of the road person
that they handle themselves a certain way, right, they kind
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of walked about the day just like a regular person.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Right.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
You don't necessarily see you know, them wearing you know,
diamond chains or diamond ear rings. You literally see a
regular person that might be six seven, six eight, even seven.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Foot and stands way okay, yeah for sure.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
But again people don't necessarily overreact all the time, again
because they're not presenting themselves a certain way. And then
there's that well established person that we look at, like
that young person that like, man, you're wise.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Behind you or beyond your years.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Right, And that's the person that I believe last about
ten to fifteen years in the NBA typically because they
get the game, they understand that you know what I
am officially on display, my whole, my salary, my life.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
And I'm going to make sure I stand out in
a way of.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Being outright just an upstanding person, high level integrity, being
a person that I know for sure that regardless of
what room I walk in, people know I bring value,
but they also know that I have integrity.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
And I'm not going to actually go down this road
to overexpose again.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
You can already see my numbers, but I want to
overexpose what I'm really doing behind the scenes and growing financially.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Now when you because you do high end athletes and
high end executives. Okay, let's talk about a player since
his death has even before he died, was highly publicized
by his work ethic.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
That's Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And you know, even in high school, they say he
had the will to win, he didn't like losing, and
it's been documented that that was the friction that the
friction he had with Shaq when it was a day
of in LA was that he always wanted to practice
for Shack. Well, hey man, I'm talented, I'm good, and
eventually I believe Shaq kind of reference that Kobe was right,
(07:02):
he should have put in more training time. Now, when
you look at a person like Kobe Bryant, that's maybe
extreme because of the fact that he was so committed.
And then executives, how do you line up levels of
understanding for goals for people at the executive level? Because
from an athletic standpoint, you go just keep practicing your
(07:25):
three point shot, keep practicing your free throws box out.
How does that translate in the in the C suite world?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yeah, So what I end up paying attention to or
having people focus on, is more of the recovery. Right,
So I love talking about the preparation right of the
performance and then recovery.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
The preparation and the recovery are two things I really
try to actually lean into the performance.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
You do what you do, you have the talent.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I can help you out right, you know the shots
you need to take, especially at that level. Right, Kobe
knows for a fact he needs to get better, or
you knew for a fact you needed to get better
at a certain thing.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Right, He'll watch film, he'll break it down.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
But where the support might have come from, or it
actually comes from when it comes to like these executives,
is like, how are you preparing? Some people literally get
up and just run into the day, right, what do
you mean, What do you.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Mean when you say that, when you say running to
the day, What do you mean when you say that?
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Band they open up their phone, they wake up, they
open up their phone, they're responding the emails, they're reaching.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Out to people.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
They're literally trying to execute from the first minute that
they wake up. There's nothing wrong with that in small
you know, small doses for sure, right, But eventually that
can actually catch up to you and burn out happens. Right,
Maybe you have some sort of element that comes on you, Right,
you get some sort of sick that you didn't see
(08:49):
coming on because again you're so focused and obsessed, because
ultimately everybody's obsessed at the highest level. So my whole
mission is just to say, how are you preparing? And
then how are you recovering? Because if I can get
those two things now, then again recovery, cold, plumb sauna,
slowing down, taking the break, right, taking an hour, you know,
(09:10):
maybe a day, just because when you perform, you're here,
you're at the hives as a hike. So I try
to make sure to focus on that.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Well, my Guest is a veteran NBA performance coach and
the founder of Client Performance Coaching. Spend eleven season training
people at the highest level, most recently director of Performance
for the Philadelphia seventy six ers. Now you've moved on
to exexxit, Ben and Ben, it was kind of funny
when you was talking there. It was a little bit
of me he was referencing there. I was like, Okay,
(09:39):
I might be a near burnout. But what I've done
is can I get up at four thirty Monday through Friday?
I get up before thirty. I get up, I opened
my laptop. I would open my laptop and I would
do what you just said. So now what I've done
now is I get up, I put my my Pandela on.
Pandora was don't music music channel streaming channel on, and
(10:05):
then I listen to music while I work out.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
That's how I reversed it. Now, then I go to
my emails and worm.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Is that the switch you're telling me I should be
doing versus diving right into emails and getting caught up
in that trap of endless stress.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
It's having a practice to warm up right again. Preparation.
How are you preparing yourself for the day. So let's
go back to sports real quick. You don't expect a
player to step on the court and.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Not warm up ry right, right, right, the.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Same thing, right, how are you warming up for your day? Right?
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Think about it as like a game day of routine.
If I'm going to prepare for this day and make
it the best day I can possibly make it. Sweet,
Let's take the next thirty minutes. Let's say you got
to wake up at four instead of four thirty, and yes,
you put your Pandora on. Maybe you journal a little
bit just to kind of put your thoughts down the
wins and losses from the other day. That's kind of
like watching film, right, We're reflecting on times that might
(11:06):
have gone really really great. Sweet, every time I do X,
Y and Z, this goes great, this goes really well. Now,
when you step into the day, you've got like a plan, right,
You're going to perform just because that's what you do.
And then again at the end of the day, there's
some sort of wine down routine to reflect that that
allows you to now execute at a higher level tomorrow.
(11:26):
And that's honestly, that's what we do, or what we
did in sports. It was just like we've had five
games and eight to ten days. Again, you might win
by twenty, you might lose by fifty. You look at
the film really quick, you put that win or loss
behind you, and you move on to the next day
and you try to get better like that one percent.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Right. So again, if you're doing on Pandora to start, maybe.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
It's just like, all right, maybe our journal real quick,
then I do Pandora.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Oh, I start to.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
The day, and then the next day you may add
like meditation to it, right, maybe a headspace right right,
or breathwork or somebody's literally helping you get prepared so
you could perform.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Throughout the day.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
You'll thank you being because I'm just trying to talk
to my team.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
My team is the people who listening to the money
Making Conversations masterclass, and I have therapist on, I have
counselors on. But what you're talking about is a different theme.
It's about being able to execute still at the high level,
but how you prepare yourself to execute. And that's where
we're going, right, Like you said, at the start of
a football game, they stretch, startup basketball, they warm up
(12:29):
through layups and all this thing. So let's talk about
a person. I'm type A. I'm not gonna lie to you.
I am Type A Ben. And with that being said,
how do you work through a guy like me?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And why would I call you, Ben?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Because I should probably call you, but I haven't called you.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Okay, yeah, yeah, So A plus students.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
I love working with A plus students just because it's
they want to win. Like, that's the number one reason
why I wanted to work at the highest level. I
want to work with people that are intrinsically motivated. Right,
I don't have to necessarily motivate them, but giving them
support and steering them a certain way because the lack
of availability.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
So let's just say, when it comes to executives, it's
like burnout or it goes from organized chaos in their
world to disorganize dysfunctional chaos, and they end up saying,
all right, I need to kind of get back on track.
Am I doing things that makes sense for my life
right now? Right, there's different seasons. Maybe when you were
(13:32):
way younger, you can actually put in you know, fifteen
hour day, sixteen hour days. Where you are now, it
might be make more sense to put in a ten
hour day because you're way more efficient. Right, You've got
a team of people around you that can help. Again,
that's when you call me the lack of support.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
So again, working at the highest level, we know we
can only work with and be around a certain type
of people that understand this world and being able to
actually have some support there like myself that's actually understands
sports and entertainment, understands what you actually go through from again,
walking outside having cameras on you every two seconds, knowing
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that the pressure looks different in this space.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Right, A lot of folks think they understand it and
know it.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
It's like now, like the lines that are chasing you, right,
the things that you have to kind of navigate. It's
a way different ball game than just your day to
day you type job. And then the last piece, which
I think is very important. I said two things I
said were kind of backs against the wall, burnouts right
around the corner. Lack of support and then the community. Right,
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That's the one thing I really try to do when
it comes to my coaching is connect you with the
right resources and tools that I know are going to
be very dialed in for like what you need specifically.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Again, at this level, a lot of folks again.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Working with general population versus high performers. There's a different
caliber of therapists, there's a different caliber of dietician. There's
a different caliber of folks that actually know how to
manage it and work with you as a business athlete.
And so I try to bring all those things to
the table when we work together.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Don't go anywhere.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
We will be right back with more insights from Money
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MASTIC Class with me Rashawn McDonald, Hey Ben, here's I
can tell you in two thousand and three, I probably
hit burnout.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I was just.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I have walked away.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I walked away, you know, and because I just wasn't
that And so I believe I walked away because I
didn't have a support system and I didn't have individuals
that I could talk to, because I was bringing so
many new barriers, and in that process of breaking those
new barriers, people felt I knew that information already when
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I was just learning on the fly. And so when
you have a person like me or somebody who's listening
to the show, who's out there and have this fear
of letting people know that they don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Does that make sense to you?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
You know?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
You know the fear that because people look at successful people,
they think they know they got the answers and the
process of not having that's a bad place to be.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
How does one person and there are a lot of people
out there like me.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I've overcome that, and I got a support system. I
make sure I talk to people in a lane I'm not,
you know, like I always tell people, you don't go
to the mechanic if you're trying to be a doctor.
I go to people there I can talk to. So
is that the problem I was having? Or what would
you recommend?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Ben?
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Yeah, in that moment again, you got to look to
your left and look to your right, right, who's in
the room with you and find out if they've actually
had to navigate something similar, right, obviously somebody that's trusted,
and see who they connect with.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Right.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
So I think that's step one because that's how I
found like my therapist that I work with, and that's
how I found so financial people i've worked with right,
just because they get me, they get where we are,
where we're.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Trying to go.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
And then ultimately, when it comes to self You've got
to have enough awareness to know, like, all right, I've
gotten myself to this point. But if I look around
at other grades in other areas, they have coaches, they
have support, they have things like maybe I reach out
to them, or maybe I just say, you know what,
let me get a coach, let me get a supporter
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that like it's literally here for this one specific thing.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Right.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
And again that goes back to self awareness though, and
being able to kind of dial down I'm not.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Gonna say dial down the ego.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
It's more about understanding that your ego might be holding
on to something that is of the past, and if
you do want to take those steps forward, you got
to try something new. But try something new based off
of some of the friends you have around you, right,
And some of the people that you actually maybe mentors
are people that you admire and reach out to the
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because again, a lot of the times they have resources
that they may be willing to share or at least
point you towards so that you can actually, you know,
take that next step.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
So I'm talking to Ben Kenyon.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
They've been you know, when when I think about high performance,
I want to I want to ask this question.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
You're dealing with athletes.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
You mentioned Tyre's Massey, and you mentioned Dame and Damian
Leman who's now recovering I think what Achilles hill, right, And.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Then you have Joe Lmb's.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Who's recovering from knee surgery, and so that's an athlete
at a different level.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
You know, there was high performance people.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
So and everything's tied to confidence, and everything's tied to
your ego. How do you get that athlete or can
that athlete get back to that point a level of
confidence they had prior to injury.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
That's one quest question.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
And then you turn it over to executives whose business
have kind of like fallen off, and so they've lost confidence.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
And their ability maybe to lead or to function.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Comparing both an injury to an athlete who was a
high flyer, very successful trying to make a comeback, and
to an executive whose business is not where it should
be and he kind of led them in that direction
but don't know how to turn Titanic around.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Yeah, So first with the injury on the athlete side,
it's actually similar to the business athlete.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Is their values? Right?
Speaker 4 (19:38):
So the athletes that you just talked about specifically, they
know their purpose right, Right, it goes beyond basketball for
both of them. Anytime I see an athlete that has
the ability to make half a billion dollars with more, right,
which you know, especially what is it Joel Dan Right
where they are in their career, their purpose is bigger
(20:01):
than basketball.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Right.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Obviously they're elite at what they do, so mentally they're
tied to that, right.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
So now let's go to the business athlete.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
When you get off course, sometimes you've been distracted, or
you don't have clarity or you need to sharpen that
focus again on the purpose.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Like why are you actually doing this? Right?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
So I've worked with people that run hedge funds and
when they hit a brick wall, when they have their
moment of you know, their backs against the wall, they
don't have that support there. It's because they actually hit
the numbers that they didn't expect that they were going
to hit for their company. And now financially they're good,
but like they still kind of lost their focus because
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they don't see their purpose right anymore. And they're saying, hey,
you know what, I've kind of checked this financial box.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I guess that not my purpose might be bigger than that.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
And so I try to get super clear and like,
why the heck are we doing this business? Athlete and
athlete sweet that allows us to have our mindset.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
The right way.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
And then let's go back the process that actually allowed
us to have Uber's success this far.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
What do we need to switch up again? What coach
do we need to bring in?
Speaker 4 (21:08):
What support system do we need to or how do
we need to rearrange our support system? Sometimes we have
people around us. Let's go back to like just focusing
on the business. There might be people within our business
that we need to replace, maybe put on the back burner,
just so we can bring in fresh blood to now
give us new ideas, new perspectives and trust that. Guess what,
(21:30):
I'm still headed towards my purpose and I'm still passionate
about it.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
It's just that I've got to do it in a
different way.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
So again with the athlete getting back, you know on
the court, Mentally, I don't think they lose it physically,
you know, life happens and as you as you age five,
the time catches up. But mentally, the guys that we
just talked about specifically, they don't lose an edge, right,
That's not a thing that you actually have to worry about.
(21:56):
It's just because they're very dialtent on their purpose and
it's always big than them. And then if the business
athlete has that moment where they just don't feel they
feel cloudy, right, they feel like they've kind of reached
their pinnacle, reached their top, and they don't know where
else to go, right, it's just a great time, great
moment to now reassess, like was I really focused on
my purpose before? Or am I in a new season
(22:18):
and do I have to now modify certain values that
I think I need to actually add on so I
can continue to chase it cool.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
My guest is a veteran NBA performance coach, Benjaminckinyon. He's
a founder of Client Performance Coaching eleven seasons in the
NBA as a coach, most recently as director of Performance
for the Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Seventy six ers.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Now he steps into the game for executives, entrepreneurs, leaders
and help them find clarity, sharp and focus and overcome
burn up.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I admit it.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
In two thousand and three, I had to deal with burnout,
and like you said, it is about your community. You're
back up against the wall. Where do you go mentorship, communication.
That's the key. Like in two thousand and three, the
popularity of since COVID of therapists, the openness of being
able to say, I got an issue, I need to
(23:10):
deal with it. I didn't have that same conference zone
in two thousand and three. You made it to yourself
and I got a therapist I got, I got an
accountant that I got through this whole process. There are
people you have to lean on to win. Now, with
that being said, how do we get in touch with you,
my friend?
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeah, the best place instagram, LinkedIn email, But ben Kenyon
on Instagram, ben Kenyon on LinkedIn email is ben Kenyon
at great Data climb dot com. If you reach out
bem me through that, I respond, it'll be It'll be
me maybe my assistant just for that A certain things.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Absolutely, that was one thing with my problem was I
did it all. You know, I did too much. I
didn't trust anybody. I felt I had to complete the
task myself or it wouldn't get done.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
And that's a.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Problem that I don't do now. I trust my staff.
I'm just telling you this. I got people around me
that I feel comfortable around, and I think that's that's
the key as well.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Now let's talk about the client.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
The client that's climb framework.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
What is the client framework? What exactly is that?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:19):
So foundation growth and achievement. Man, I love this process
because it's a rent and repeat. You have a foundation,
you just have to clearly see it.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Right.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
So within the foundation, you've got your beliefs right, some
of the limiting beliefs that you might have, right understanding
those because it allows you to say, all right, EGO,
what are we holding on to? What do we not
believe that can happen? Because guess what, I've had a
lot of success. Let's figure out how to leave those things,
you know behind? Second step core values. What's most important
to me in this season of life, right understanding that, like,
(24:52):
once we get clear on those things, we can really
take off. But other steps that I really think are
important to know about in the foundation are buildings, sports system,
having a vision statement.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
And then the final piece is just making sure that
you take.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Full ownership, full responsibility for the good and the bad
right and figuring out how to make the adjustments along
the way.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I love talking to you, I really do, because you're
very pacific. A lot of times people who say they
do what you do general Ben, they do sweeping generalizations.
You're very pacific in your conversation. Is it because you've
been around athletes who hold you accountable when you talk
about performance?
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Well, yes, because your your reputation. Right. I don't get
to work with an MVP of the NBA.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Basketball Association right like, we don't get to do that
without showing up and being able to voice right what
I'm thinking about a program, when I'm thinking about an
idea with that team of people that help that guy
be great. I don't get to do these things purely
because of a hookup.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Right right, right, right.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Right, purely because I've studied.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Definitely not for eleven years, definitely not, Like this.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Is something that I try to make sure I'm mastered
because I'm obsessed about this, like they're obsessed about sports,
like you're obsessed about business, like you're obsessed about growing.
Like this is like I told you at thirteen years old,
I gave myself two.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Options, and I'm doing it right of a lifelong thing.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
So again, foundation growth and achievement, it's a rent to
repeat process. Growth is all about health and performance and
being able to improve your mind and body and then
achieving is just about being able to give back and
showing up as a leader and then really tapping into
that emotional intelligence just because at the highest level, I
mean you've gone through this for sure, You've got to
navigate some things. Contract conversations, right, you know, people that
(26:54):
you thought were on your side but showed you that
they were right. There's certain things that you actually are
certain ways you still have to show up even though
you might be a little frustrated, you might have been slighted,
but you can't flinch right those things. For me, I've
seen it, I've lived it, and I've watched people succeed
and thrive and push through, and I've seen people trip
(27:16):
up and completely fall apart just because they couldn't understand
how to actually go through that process again. Because again
as you climb, as you continue to climb, the air
is going to get a little thinner. You might have
a little less resources, might be less people around you
sometimes just because at the top, there's very few at
the top that potend like actually want to help you. Right,
(27:36):
And so having again that system that allows you to
dive back into your whole process of building a foundation again,
support team core values, what's most important is a game
changer being.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I'm really appreciating this conversation because when I talk to
my staff, I do two analogies. I use sports, I
use the military. They'll tell you I use those two
because they're very clean, you can understand. And it's always
tied to leadership. You know, it's very specific. You know
you're going to a battle. You're gonna win and lose.
(28:08):
That's your goal. You play a game of any game
of sports, your goal is to win, not to lose.
And so, and that's the difference in sports because your
goal is to win, and in military battles there's an
option of winning and losing there that you have to
put in your mind. But as an athlete who thinks
about losing, okay, you know no, right, you know who
(28:31):
thinks about that. So, so now we talk about peak
performance and it's not how can you I can one
to assume that it's not random, it's not a roll
of the dice. It has to be built. How can
one build that consistency? So it does become random because
they got the steps in place.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Yeah, so so that's like a muscle memory, right, Yes,
when we talk about shooting, right, you get back the
ball and shoot it up, get the basketball.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Exactly right. So so I'm gonna keep it simple on
this one.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Go get a rep, right, Go get a repetition, right,
Tell yourself, I'm taking a rep.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Period. This is a rep that I need.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Right.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
So if it's if it's speaking or presenting, sweet, go
get a rep.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
What does that look like.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
You're speaking to maybe a group of eighth graders, or
you're speaking to a big company, whatever it is, go
get a rep.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Right. If you're building out a business.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Plan or you're building out a new strategy, right, and
it might be terrible, that's what you just got a rep.
Keep getting these reps because ultimately behind the scenes, right
when when these basketball players are off camera, they're getting
thousands of reps right, like crazy anoutmous.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
What you're saying, that's what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
And so when they when it's go time, when it's
time to shine, when it's time to jump on you
know the podcast right and have this conversation. I've had
a thousand reps. I've had the ten thousand hours of
repetitions that I know I need to make sure I
show up. And this is effortless right. This is just
like you know, waking up in the morning, right, making
sure that again you get the right support so that
(30:14):
during that process of practicing and getting your reps in,
people are now coaching you up. The experts are now
coaching you up, helping you understand maybe hey, this right
here is kind of a little off, maybe you need
to adjust that. So again, I just I think going
to get a rep is.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
A game changer.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I'm end this show on somebody who's making the news lately,
and I think because he was traded, it has elevated
him to understand what it takes.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
To be peak performance. I'm talking about Luka Doncik, And.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I want to ask you this question, Ben, because of
the fact that how big of a role does motivation
play in you achieving peak performance?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Because he's a prime example.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
His number one complaint at Dallas was he would never
get in shape, and the number one complaint from sports
announcements he's out of shape. He gets traded and he's
sending photos back like he's he's cut up weight loss.
How big a role does motivation play in maintaining or
achieving peak performers? Because I'm seeing it an example in
(31:23):
him yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Yeah, So being intrinsically motivated, being motivated from within is
something that you really have to have, right, and because
outside motivation doesn't last, right, those cheers, those fans sharing
you on don't really last. And so I'll say for
Luca specifically, you know, this new territory, this new space
(31:47):
that he's in, might have actually ignited something that allowed.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Him to be more intrinsically motivated.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Because Harry, you don't make it to be one of
the top you know, NBA players without being motivated. So
so that's that motivation isn't an issue. It's just making
sure that you find it within you consistently, because it
is a grind, right, This this this thing that you know,
we get entertained by watching you know, these guys play
(32:14):
every night, eighty two games over nine months is a lot, right,
And then doing it in a big city like La Right,
doing it in a big city like Dallas, having the
spotlight on you because you're a top twenty player, it
is a lot mentally, emotionally, and physically spiritually.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
So it's really cool to.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
See that he's found or reignited, you know, that that
intrinsic motivation, because it's.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Something that will set him apart.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Right again, going back to you know the conversation I
said before about you know, those guys being motivated to
now get back to the court.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Like hear me, this guy he isn't injury, he isn't hurt.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
He just needed to, you know, lose a couple of
lbs so that he can be more efficient.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Right.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
And so for him to find that motivation or reignite
it is super super cool, and I hope he continues
or just because this is an opportunity to show out
and really build a legacy for foreign players. Right, He's
coming from overseas, and I think that's something that's super special.
And so again, Dallas to LA, sometimes you need just
(33:16):
a new space to figure it out. And again he's
got a great platform in LA that that really is
looking to invest some time and make sure that he's
kind of getting what he needs. And so I hope
he stays motivated, not just in the off season, but
during the season as well, just because he's fun to watch.
And I think again the Lakers are going to always
(33:36):
be on TV regardless you know where they are in
the rankings.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, my last question is because you were talking about reigniting.
And I'm gonna use the word resetting in the entrepreneurial,
entrepreneurial space, the small business space, the c suite space,
because let's talk about audience as we close out on
money making conversation, because we use sports as a as
a base. That's where you're coming from. But you've cultivated
(34:02):
that culture so much as you're now able to take
that into the c suite, into the entrepreneur into the
small business influencer space. When someone's resetting, what are some
of the steps of advice you would give them?
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Yeah, so prepare performer? Cover right?
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Step one? How we start the day right? How we
what are we trying to knock out today?
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Right?
Speaker 4 (34:23):
How we maybe in the morning when we wake up,
can we journal? Can we take five minutes just of
silence and peace?
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Right?
Speaker 4 (34:30):
And then maybe you know, throwing your song that you
know motivates you or fires you up?
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Right? So those three things right?
Speaker 4 (34:36):
So again, meditate, journal and throwing that music right, train right,
maybe throwing a little work out in the morning. And
then second perform. How we actually showing up during the day.
Are we pushing the way we need to push?
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Right? Is it making the ting calls.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Is it is it doing you know, the administrative work,
whatever it is, like, make sure you push yourself and
then the final pieces recover. How are you now reflecting
over the last you know, a few hours, your wins
from the day, your losses from the day. How can
I improve that? What people do I need to bring
in to help elevate this, What people do I need
(35:13):
to connect with to learn more from? But that process
right there, prepared performer cover I know for a fact,
and take anybody from you know, being at the level
that they're at right now to that next level that
they want.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
You heard Ben Kenyon, Hey man, I am. I think
I've been on the couch half this interview.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
But it's important, man, because I think I try to
be honest with my audience. It allows me to be
able to communicate what you're trying to bring to them.
By examples that I've experienced burnout, How I wake up,
you know, flipping the because I was that guy email, email, phone, text, text,
text text. You know, by the time I get it offered,
(35:54):
it's just a blast of eight am emails that go out,
you know where I and just recently I went, you know,
so Jon just do the music thing. I wake up
to Kim Kim all the time, Kim that I go
into Maids and that going Danthe Hamilton, and I just
then I'm through and then I go into If I
have work to do, I do it. And so it
really is important in resetting and starting your day and
(36:16):
living a long life, and not to start life of success,
but a long life that creates legacy. And I want
to thank you one more time. How can we get
in touch with you?
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Ben Yeah on Instagram or LinkedIn Ben Kenyon or via
email Ben Kenyon at great dataclimb dot com.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Brother, thank you for coming on Money Making Conversations. I
really really appreciate you man, and my audience will too.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
This is super fun man. Thank you mav.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
Now, let's get started.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
My guest is a veteran NBA performance coach and the
founder of Client Performance Coaching. After eleven seasons in the NBA,
most recently as director of Performance for the Philadelphia seventy
six ers, he now helps high performing executives, entrepreneurs, and
leaders find clarity, sharp and focus, and overcome burnout. Please
(00:52):
welcome to the Money Making Conversation Master Class. Benjamin Kenyon.
How you doing, sir, I'm doing well.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Thank you for having me on. Man, this is going
to be a time.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Let's talk about your life.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
When you know the NBA, what did the NBA mean?
To you and how did you become a coach in
the NBA.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah, man, So the real quick story.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
When I was thirteen years old, I either wanted to
play professional sports or coach, right, I.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Just literally made that decision.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I said, I really want to be around sports the
rest of my life, and I just I know there's
a shot, but if it doesn't work out, you know,
life happened so fast forward. I was blessed with an
opportunity to coach in the NBA for the last eleven
years at the highest of the highest. I've trained the
MVP dur in the MVP season. I've trained multiple Hall
of famers, Joelle b Dame Lillard, you know, future Superstar,
(01:44):
Superstar now Tyrese Maxi. I'm so blessed to have worked
with some of the best in the NBA. And I
definitely go back and think back to my thirteen year
old self, and I know for sure he'd definitely be
proud for the journey I've gone on. So just hard work,
connect making sure I put myself in the right rooms,
and then just making sure I execute right. I think
(02:04):
that's the big thing that I've always focused on, is
like when I get an opportunity execute and.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Shining that moment.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Cool. First of all, thirteen years old, did you play basketball?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah? Who back in the day.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
You had the hooping skills. Okay, because I've heard of
people like you know, the Miami he coached. You know,
he didn't play professionally and he's one of the great
coaches in the NBA. Now what separated you from a
guy who didn't play professional sports but understood the value
(02:42):
of training and motivating the professional players.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Yeah, So I recognized my purpose was way bigger than
just to say specifically like basketball, right. I knew that
I had the ability. My gift was on training right
early on in again, I picked up and maybe like
fifth or sixth grade, and I just thought was excited
about it. And so when I was able to actually
(03:07):
what is it, they sought me out for the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
They saw the passion.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I had in training these athletes right and being able
to help other people be great. And so that's the
thing that I believe separated me on top of just
I feel like I have a personality that's been around
the sport.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
I grew up with guys that play in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
So having that type of caliber that energy I think
is super super important as well.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Well, you know, it's really interesting because you in a
sport just one of the baseball, football, basketball, where salaries
are made public, and I find that kind of it's
weird in the sense that you have no you know,
because these are large numbers of large salaries that are
put out there for individuals who kind of like walking
(03:53):
around a grocery store, walking around parking their cars normally,
and next thing you know, they hold financial place is
put out in public.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
You've been you've been around a game.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
What are players thoughts on that when they when that
happens to them.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah, So so I'll say there's there's a couple of
different mindsets, right, So you've got the the young guys
that maybe they don't have a good system at home, right,
they don't have, you know, the right upbringing in the
sense of just like holding themselves the right way. Just
because when you go outside, people see you for who
(04:28):
you are, especially if.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
You're an athlete, get it.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
But like if you're wearing jewelry every two seconds kind
of shine it a little too much right for the situation,
people see it.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
That is a good thing, and it could be a
bad thing, right.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
And so what I've seen is the one group they
they don't feel great, right, they kind of have security.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
With them all the time. They put themselves in.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
They don't put themselves in a lot of different positions
to actually be outside all the time. Because in the
celebrity people walking up to them, being around them, it's
a part of the job. But as a human being,
it's still kind of like it can be overwhelming. Then
there's kind of like the middle of the road person
that they handle themselves a certain way, right, they kind
(05:14):
of walked about the day just like a regular person.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Right.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
You don't necessarily see you know, them wearing you know,
diamond chains or diamond ear rings. You literally see a
regular person that might be six seven, six eight, even seven.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Foot and stands way okay, yeah for sure.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
But again people don't necessarily overreact all the time, again
because they're not presenting themselves a certain way. And then
there's that well established person that we look at, like
that young person that like, man, you're wise.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Behind you or beyond your years.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Right, And that's the person that I believe last about
ten to fifteen years in the NBA typically because they
get the game, they understand that you know what I
am officially on display, my whole, my salary, my life.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
And I'm going to make sure I stand out in
a way of.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Being outright just an upstanding person, high level integrity, being
a person that I know for sure that regardless of
what room I walk in, people know I bring value,
but they also know that I have integrity.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
And I'm not going to actually go down this road
to overexpose again.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
You can already see my numbers, but I want to
overexpose what I'm really doing behind the scenes and growing financially.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Now when you because you do high end athletes and
high end executives. Okay, let's talk about a player since
his death has even before he died, was highly publicized
by his work ethic.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
That's Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And you know, even in high school, they say he
had the will to win, he didn't like losing, and
it's been documented that that was the friction that the
friction he had with Shaq when it was a day
of in LA was that he always wanted to practice
for Shack. Well, hey man, I'm talented, I'm good, and
eventually I believe Shaq kind of reference that Kobe was right,
(07:02):
he should have put in more training time. Now, when
you look at a person like Kobe Bryant, that's maybe
extreme because of the fact that he was so committed.
And then executives, how do you line up levels of
understanding for goals for people at the executive level? Because
from an athletic standpoint, you go just keep practicing your
(07:25):
three point shot, keep practicing your free throws box out.
How does that translate in the in the C suite world?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yeah, So what I end up paying attention to or
having people focus on, is more of the recovery. Right,
So I love talking about the preparation right of the
performance and then recovery.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
The preparation and the recovery are two things I really
try to actually lean into the performance.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
You do what you do, you have the talent.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I can help you out right, you know the shots
you need to take, especially at that level. Right, Kobe
knows for a fact he needs to get better, or
you knew for a fact you needed to get better
at a certain thing.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Right, He'll watch film, he'll break it down.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
But where the support might have come from, or it
actually comes from when it comes to like these executives,
is like, how are you preparing? Some people literally get
up and just run into the day, right, what do
you mean, What do you.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Mean when you say that, when you say running to
the day, What do you mean when you say that?
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Band they open up their phone, they wake up, they
open up their phone, they're responding the emails, they're reaching.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Out to people.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
They're literally trying to execute from the first minute that
they wake up. There's nothing wrong with that in small
you know, small doses for sure, right, But eventually that
can actually catch up to you and burn out happens. Right,
Maybe you have some sort of element that comes on you, Right,
you get some sort of sick that you didn't see
(08:49):
coming on because again you're so focused and obsessed, because
ultimately everybody's obsessed at the highest level. So my whole
mission is just to say, how are you preparing? And
then how are you recovering? Because if I can get
those two things now, then again recovery, cold, plumb sauna,
slowing down, taking the break, right, taking an hour, you know,
(09:10):
maybe a day, just because when you perform, you're here,
you're at the hives as a hike. So I try
to make sure to focus on that.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Well, my Guest is a veteran NBA performance coach and
the founder of Client Performance Coaching. Spend eleven season training
people at the highest level, most recently director of Performance
for the Philadelphia seventy six ers. Now you've moved on
to exexxit, Ben and Ben, it was kind of funny
when you was talking there. It was a little bit
of me he was referencing there. I was like, Okay,
(09:39):
I might be a near burnout. But what I've done
is can I get up at four thirty Monday through Friday?
I get up before thirty. I get up, I opened
my laptop. I would open my laptop and I would
do what you just said. So now what I've done
now is I get up, I put my my Pandela on.
Pandora was don't music music channel streaming channel on, and
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then I listen to music while I work out.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
That's how I reversed it. Now, then I go to
my emails and worm.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Is that the switch you're telling me I should be
doing versus diving right into emails and getting caught up
in that trap of endless stress.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
It's having a practice to warm up right again. Preparation.
How are you preparing yourself for the day. So let's
go back to sports real quick. You don't expect a
player to step on the court and.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Not warm up ry right, right, right, the.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Same thing, right, how are you warming up for your day? Right?
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Think about it as like a game day of routine.
If I'm going to prepare for this day and make
it the best day I can possibly make it. Sweet,
Let's take the next thirty minutes. Let's say you got
to wake up at four instead of four thirty, and yes,
you put your Pandora on. Maybe you journal a little
bit just to kind of put your thoughts down the
wins and losses from the other day. That's kind of
like watching film, right, We're reflecting on times that might
(11:06):
have gone really really great. Sweet, every time I do X,
Y and Z, this goes great, this goes really well. Now,
when you step into the day, you've got like a plan, right,
You're going to perform just because that's what you do.
And then again at the end of the day, there's
some sort of wine down routine to reflect that that
allows you to now execute at a higher level tomorrow.
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And that's honestly, that's what we do, or what we
did in sports. It was just like we've had five
games and eight to ten days. Again, you might win
by twenty, you might lose by fifty. You look at
the film really quick, you put that win or loss
behind you, and you move on to the next day
and you try to get better like that one percent.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Right. So again, if you're doing on Pandora to start, maybe.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
It's just like, all right, maybe our journal real quick,
then I do Pandora.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Oh, I start to.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
The day, and then the next day you may add
like meditation to it, right, maybe a headspace right right,
or breathwork or somebody's literally helping you get prepared so
you could perform.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Throughout the day.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
You'll thank you being because I'm just trying to talk
to my team.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
My team is the people who listening to the money
Making Conversations masterclass, and I have therapist on, I have
counselors on. But what you're talking about is a different theme.
It's about being able to execute still at the high level,
but how you prepare yourself to execute. And that's where
we're going, right, Like you said, at the start of
a football game, they stretch, startup basketball, they warm up
(12:29):
through layups and all this thing. So let's talk about
a person. I'm type A. I'm not gonna lie to you.
I am Type A Ben. And with that being said,
how do you work through a guy like me?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And why would I call you, Ben?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Because I should probably call you, but I haven't called you.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Okay, yeah, yeah, So A plus students.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
I love working with A plus students just because it's
they want to win. Like, that's the number one reason
why I wanted to work at the highest level. I
want to work with people that are intrinsically motivated. Right,
I don't have to necessarily motivate them, but giving them
support and steering them a certain way because the lack
of availability.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
So let's just say, when it comes to executives, it's
like burnout or it goes from organized chaos in their
world to disorganize dysfunctional chaos, and they end up saying,
all right, I need to kind of get back on track.
Am I doing things that makes sense for my life
right now? Right, there's different seasons. Maybe when you were
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way younger, you can actually put in you know, fifteen
hour day, sixteen hour days. Where you are now, it
might be make more sense to put in a ten
hour day because you're way more efficient. Right, You've got
a team of people around you that can help. Again,
that's when you call me the lack of support.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
So again, working at the highest level, we know we
can only work with and be around a certain type
of people that understand this world and being able to
actually have some support there like myself that's actually understands
sports and entertainment, understands what you actually go through from again,
walking outside having cameras on you every two seconds, knowing
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that the pressure looks different in this space.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Right, A lot of folks think they understand it and
know it.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
It's like now, like the lines that are chasing you, right,
the things that you have to kind of navigate. It's
a way different ball game than just your day to
day you type job. And then the last piece, which
I think is very important. I said two things I
said were kind of backs against the wall, burnouts right
around the corner. Lack of support and then the community. Right,
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That's the one thing I really try to do when
it comes to my coaching is connect you with the
right resources and tools that I know are going to
be very dialed in for like what you need specifically.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Again, at this level, a lot of folks again.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Working with general population versus high performers. There's a different
caliber of therapists, there's a different caliber of dietician. There's
a different caliber of folks that actually know how to
manage it and work with you as a business athlete.
And so I try to bring all those things to
the table when we work together.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Don't go anywhere.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
We will be right back with more insights from Money
Making Conversations MASSIC Class. Welcome back to Money Making Conversation
MASTIC Class with me Rashawn McDonald, Hey Ben, here's I
can tell you in two thousand and three, I probably
hit burnout.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I was just.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I have walked away.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I walked away, you know, and because I just wasn't
that And so I believe I walked away because I
didn't have a support system and I didn't have individuals
that I could talk to, because I was bringing so
many new barriers, and in that process of breaking those
new barriers, people felt I knew that information already when
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I was just learning on the fly. And so when
you have a person like me or somebody who's listening
to the show, who's out there and have this fear
of letting people know that they don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Does that make sense to you?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
You know?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
You know the fear that because people look at successful people,
they think they know they got the answers and the
process of not having that's a bad place to be.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
How does one person and there are a lot of people
out there like me.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I've overcome that, and I got a support system. I
make sure I talk to people in a lane I'm not,
you know, like I always tell people, you don't go
to the mechanic if you're trying to be a doctor.
I go to people there I can talk to. So
is that the problem I was having? Or what would
you recommend?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Ben?
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Yeah, in that moment again, you got to look to
your left and look to your right, right, who's in
the room with you and find out if they've actually
had to navigate something similar, right, obviously somebody that's trusted,
and see who they connect with.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Right.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
So I think that's step one because that's how I
found like my therapist that I work with, and that's
how I found so financial people i've worked with right,
just because they get me, they get where we are,
where we're.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Trying to go.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
And then ultimately, when it comes to self You've got
to have enough awareness to know, like, all right, I've
gotten myself to this point. But if I look around
at other grades in other areas, they have coaches, they
have support, they have things like maybe I reach out
to them, or maybe I just say, you know what,
let me get a coach, let me get a supporter
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that like it's literally here for this one specific thing.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Right.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
And again that goes back to self awareness though, and
being able to kind of dial down I'm not.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Gonna say dial down the ego.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
It's more about understanding that your ego might be holding
on to something that is of the past, and if
you do want to take those steps forward, you got
to try something new. But try something new based off
of some of the friends you have around you, right,
And some of the people that you actually maybe mentors
are people that you admire and reach out to the
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because again, a lot of the times they have resources
that they may be willing to share or at least
point you towards so that you can actually, you know,
take that next step.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
So I'm talking to Ben Kenyon.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
They've been you know, when when I think about high performance,
I want to I want to ask this question.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
You're dealing with athletes.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
You mentioned Tyre's Massey, and you mentioned Dame and Damian
Leman who's now recovering I think what Achilles hill, right, And.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Then you have Joe Lmb's.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Who's recovering from knee surgery, and so that's an athlete
at a different level.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
You know, there was high performance people.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
So and everything's tied to confidence, and everything's tied to
your ego. How do you get that athlete or can
that athlete get back to that point a level of
confidence they had prior to injury.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
That's one quest question.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
And then you turn it over to executives whose business
have kind of like fallen off, and so they've lost confidence.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
And their ability maybe to lead or to function.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Comparing both an injury to an athlete who was a
high flyer, very successful trying to make a comeback, and
to an executive whose business is not where it should
be and he kind of led them in that direction
but don't know how to turn Titanic around.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Yeah, So first with the injury on the athlete side,
it's actually similar to the business athlete.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Is their values? Right?
Speaker 4 (19:38):
So the athletes that you just talked about specifically, they
know their purpose right, Right, it goes beyond basketball for
both of them. Anytime I see an athlete that has
the ability to make half a billion dollars with more, right,
which you know, especially what is it Joel Dan Right
where they are in their career, their purpose is bigger
(20:01):
than basketball.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Right.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Obviously they're elite at what they do, so mentally they're
tied to that, right.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
So now let's go to the business athlete.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
When you get off course, sometimes you've been distracted, or
you don't have clarity or you need to sharpen that
focus again on the purpose.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Like why are you actually doing this? Right?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
So I've worked with people that run hedge funds and
when they hit a brick wall, when they have their
moment of you know, their backs against the wall, they
don't have that support there. It's because they actually hit
the numbers that they didn't expect that they were going
to hit for their company. And now financially they're good,
but like they still kind of lost their focus because
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they don't see their purpose right anymore. And they're saying, hey,
you know what, I've kind of checked this financial box.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I guess that not my purpose might be bigger than that.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
And so I try to get super clear and like,
why the heck are we doing this business? Athlete and
athlete sweet that allows us to have our mindset.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
The right way.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
And then let's go back the process that actually allowed
us to have Uber's success this far.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
What do we need to switch up again? What coach
do we need to bring in?
Speaker 4 (21:08):
What support system do we need to or how do
we need to rearrange our support system? Sometimes we have
people around us. Let's go back to like just focusing
on the business. There might be people within our business
that we need to replace, maybe put on the back burner,
just so we can bring in fresh blood to now
give us new ideas, new perspectives and trust that. Guess what,
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I'm still headed towards my purpose and I'm still passionate
about it.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
It's just that I've got to do it in a
different way.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
So again with the athlete getting back, you know on
the court, Mentally, I don't think they lose it physically,
you know, life happens and as you as you age five,
the time catches up. But mentally, the guys that we
just talked about specifically, they don't lose an edge, right,
That's not a thing that you actually have to worry about.
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It's just because they're very dialtent on their purpose and
it's always big than them. And then if the business
athlete has that moment where they just don't feel they
feel cloudy, right, they feel like they've kind of reached
their pinnacle, reached their top, and they don't know where
else to go, right, it's just a great time, great
moment to now reassess, like was I really focused on
my purpose before? Or am I in a new season
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and do I have to now modify certain values that
I think I need to actually add on so I
can continue to chase it cool.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
My guest is a veteran NBA performance coach, Benjaminckinyon. He's
a founder of Client Performance Coaching eleven seasons in the
NBA as a coach, most recently as director of Performance
for the Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Seventy six ers.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Now he steps into the game for executives, entrepreneurs, leaders
and help them find clarity, sharp and focus and overcome
burn up.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I admit it.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
In two thousand and three, I had to deal with burnout,
and like you said, it is about your community. You're
back up against the wall. Where do you go mentorship, communication.
That's the key. Like in two thousand and three, the
popularity of since COVID of therapists, the openness of being
able to say, I got an issue, I need to
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deal with it. I didn't have that same conference zone
in two thousand and three. You made it to yourself
and I got a therapist I got, I got an
accountant that I got through this whole process. There are
people you have to lean on to win. Now, with
that being said, how do we get in touch with you,
my friend?
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeah, the best place instagram, LinkedIn email, But ben Kenyon
on Instagram, ben Kenyon on LinkedIn email is ben Kenyon
at great Data climb dot com. If you reach out
bem me through that, I respond, it'll be It'll be
me maybe my assistant just for that A certain things.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Absolutely, that was one thing with my problem was I
did it all. You know, I did too much. I
didn't trust anybody. I felt I had to complete the
task myself or it wouldn't get done.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
And that's a.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Problem that I don't do now. I trust my staff.
I'm just telling you this. I got people around me
that I feel comfortable around, and I think that's that's
the key as well.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Now let's talk about the client.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
The client that's climb framework.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
What is the client framework? What exactly is that?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:19):
So foundation growth and achievement. Man, I love this process
because it's a rent and repeat. You have a foundation,
you just have to clearly see it.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Right.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
So within the foundation, you've got your beliefs right, some
of the limiting beliefs that you might have, right understanding
those because it allows you to say, all right, EGO,
what are we holding on to? What do we not
believe that can happen? Because guess what, I've had a
lot of success. Let's figure out how to leave those things,
you know behind? Second step core values. What's most important
to me in this season of life, right understanding that, like,
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once we get clear on those things, we can really
take off. But other steps that I really think are
important to know about in the foundation are buildings, sports system,
having a vision statement.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
And then the final piece is just making sure that
you take.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Full ownership, full responsibility for the good and the bad
right and figuring out how to make the adjustments along
the way.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I love talking to you, I really do, because you're
very pacific. A lot of times people who say they
do what you do general Ben, they do sweeping generalizations.
You're very pacific in your conversation. Is it because you've
been around athletes who hold you accountable when you talk
about performance?
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Well, yes, because your your reputation. Right. I don't get
to work with an MVP of the NBA.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Basketball Association right like, we don't get to do that
without showing up and being able to voice right what
I'm thinking about a program, when I'm thinking about an
idea with that team of people that help that guy
be great. I don't get to do these things purely
because of a hookup.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Right right, right, right.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Right, purely because I've studied.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Definitely not for eleven years, definitely not, Like this.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Is something that I try to make sure I'm mastered
because I'm obsessed about this, like they're obsessed about sports,
like you're obsessed about business, like you're obsessed about growing.
Like this is like I told you at thirteen years old,
I gave myself two.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Options, and I'm doing it right of a lifelong thing.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
So again, foundation growth and achievement, it's a rent to
repeat process. Growth is all about health and performance and
being able to improve your mind and body and then
achieving is just about being able to give back and
showing up as a leader and then really tapping into
that emotional intelligence just because at the highest level, I
mean you've gone through this for sure, You've got to
navigate some things. Contract conversations, right, you know, people that
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you thought were on your side but showed you that
they were right. There's certain things that you actually are
certain ways you still have to show up even though
you might be a little frustrated, you might have been slighted,
but you can't flinch right those things. For me, I've
seen it, I've lived it, and I've watched people succeed
and thrive and push through, and I've seen people trip
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up and completely fall apart just because they couldn't understand
how to actually go through that process again. Because again
as you climb, as you continue to climb, the air
is going to get a little thinner. You might have
a little less resources, might be less people around you
sometimes just because at the top, there's very few at
the top that potend like actually want to help you. Right,
(27:36):
And so having again that system that allows you to
dive back into your whole process of building a foundation again,
support team core values, what's most important is a game
changer being.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I'm really appreciating this conversation because when I talk to
my staff, I do two analogies. I use sports, I
use the military. They'll tell you I use those two
because they're very clean, you can understand. And it's always
tied to leadership. You know, it's very specific. You know
you're going to a battle. You're gonna win and lose.
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That's your goal. You play a game of any game
of sports, your goal is to win, not to lose.
And so, and that's the difference in sports because your
goal is to win, and in military battles there's an
option of winning and losing there that you have to
put in your mind. But as an athlete who thinks
about losing, okay, you know no, right, you know who
(28:31):
thinks about that. So, so now we talk about peak
performance and it's not how can you I can one
to assume that it's not random, it's not a roll
of the dice. It has to be built. How can
one build that consistency? So it does become random because
they got the steps in place.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Yeah, so so that's like a muscle memory, right, Yes,
when we talk about shooting, right, you get back the
ball and shoot it up, get the basketball.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Exactly right. So so I'm gonna keep it simple on
this one.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Go get a rep, right, Go get a repetition, right,
Tell yourself, I'm taking a rep.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Period. This is a rep that I need.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Right.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
So if it's if it's speaking or presenting, sweet, go
get a rep.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
What does that look like.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
You're speaking to maybe a group of eighth graders, or
you're speaking to a big company, whatever it is, go
get a rep.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Right. If you're building out a business.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Plan or you're building out a new strategy, right, and
it might be terrible, that's what you just got a rep.
Keep getting these reps because ultimately behind the scenes, right
when when these basketball players are off camera, they're getting
thousands of reps right, like crazy anoutmous.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
What you're saying, that's what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
And so when they when it's go time, when it's
time to shine, when it's time to jump on you
know the podcast right and have this conversation. I've had
a thousand reps. I've had the ten thousand hours of
repetitions that I know I need to make sure I
show up. And this is effortless right. This is just
like you know, waking up in the morning, right, making
sure that again you get the right support so that
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during that process of practicing and getting your reps in,
people are now coaching you up. The experts are now
coaching you up, helping you understand maybe hey, this right
here is kind of a little off, maybe you need
to adjust that. So again, I just I think going
to get a rep is.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
A game changer.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I'm end this show on somebody who's making the news lately,
and I think because he was traded, it has elevated
him to understand what it takes.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
To be peak performance. I'm talking about Luka Doncik, And.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I want to ask you this question, Ben, because of
the fact that how big of a role does motivation
play in you achieving peak performance?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Because he's a prime example.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
His number one complaint at Dallas was he would never
get in shape, and the number one complaint from sports
announcements he's out of shape. He gets traded and he's
sending photos back like he's he's cut up weight loss.
How big a role does motivation play in maintaining or
achieving peak performers? Because I'm seeing it an example in
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him yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Yeah, So being intrinsically motivated, being motivated from within is
something that you really have to have, right, and because
outside motivation doesn't last, right, those cheers, those fans sharing
you on don't really last. And so I'll say for
Luca specifically, you know, this new territory, this new space
(31:47):
that he's in, might have actually ignited something that allowed.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Him to be more intrinsically motivated.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Because Harry, you don't make it to be one of
the top you know, NBA players without being motivated. So
so that's that motivation isn't an issue. It's just making
sure that you find it within you consistently, because it
is a grind, right, This this this thing that you know,
we get entertained by watching you know, these guys play
(32:14):
every night, eighty two games over nine months is a lot, right,
And then doing it in a big city like La Right,
doing it in a big city like Dallas, having the
spotlight on you because you're a top twenty player, it
is a lot mentally, emotionally, and physically spiritually.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
So it's really cool to.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
See that he's found or reignited, you know, that that
intrinsic motivation, because it's.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Something that will set him apart.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Right again, going back to you know the conversation I
said before about you know, those guys being motivated to
now get back to the court.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Like hear me, this guy he isn't injury, he isn't hurt.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
He just needed to, you know, lose a couple of
lbs so that he can be more efficient.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Right.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
And so for him to find that motivation or reignite
it is super super cool, and I hope he continues
or just because this is an opportunity to show out
and really build a legacy for foreign players. Right, He's
coming from overseas, and I think that's something that's super special.
And so again, Dallas to LA, sometimes you need just
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a new space to figure it out. And again he's
got a great platform in LA that that really is
looking to invest some time and make sure that he's
kind of getting what he needs. And so I hope
he stays motivated, not just in the off season, but
during the season as well, just because he's fun to watch.
And I think again the Lakers are going to always
(33:36):
be on TV regardless you know where they are in
the rankings.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, my last question is because you were talking about reigniting.
And I'm gonna use the word resetting in the entrepreneurial,
entrepreneurial space, the small business space, the c suite space,
because let's talk about audience as we close out on
money making conversation, because we use sports as a as
a base. That's where you're coming from. But you've cultivated
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that culture so much as you're now able to take
that into the c suite, into the entrepreneur into the
small business influencer space. When someone's resetting, what are some
of the steps of advice you would give them?
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Yeah, so prepare performer? Cover right?
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Step one? How we start the day right? How we
what are we trying to knock out today?
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Right?
Speaker 4 (34:23):
How we maybe in the morning when we wake up,
can we journal? Can we take five minutes just of
silence and peace?
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Right?
Speaker 4 (34:30):
And then maybe you know, throwing your song that you
know motivates you or fires you up?
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Right? So those three things right?
Speaker 4 (34:36):
So again, meditate, journal and throwing that music right, train right,
maybe throwing a little work out in the morning. And
then second perform. How we actually showing up during the day.
Are we pushing the way we need to push?
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Right? Is it making the ting calls.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Is it is it doing you know, the administrative work,
whatever it is, like, make sure you push yourself and
then the final pieces recover. How are you now reflecting
over the last you know, a few hours, your wins
from the day, your losses from the day. How can
I improve that? What people do I need to bring
in to help elevate this, What people do I need
(35:13):
to connect with to learn more from? But that process
right there, prepared performer cover I know for a fact,
and take anybody from you know, being at the level
that they're at right now to that next level that
they want.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
You heard Ben Kenyon, Hey man, I am. I think
I've been on the couch half this interview.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
But it's important, man, because I think I try to
be honest with my audience. It allows me to be
able to communicate what you're trying to bring to them.
By examples that I've experienced burnout, How I wake up,
you know, flipping the because I was that guy email, email, phone, text, text,
text text. You know, by the time I get it offered,
(35:54):
it's just a blast of eight am emails that go out,
you know where I and just recently I went, you know,
so Jon just do the music thing. I wake up
to Kim Kim all the time, Kim that I go
into Maids and that going Danthe Hamilton, and I just
then I'm through and then I go into If I
have work to do, I do it. And so it
really is important in resetting and starting your day and
(36:16):
living a long life, and not to start life of success,
but a long life that creates legacy. And I want
to thank you one more time. How can we get
in touch with you?
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Ben Yeah on Instagram or LinkedIn Ben Kenyon or via
email Ben Kenyon at great dataclimb dot com.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Brother, thank you for coming on Money Making Conversations. I
really really appreciate you man, and my audience will too.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
This is super fun man. Thank you mav.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
This has been another edition of Money Making Conversations Masterclass
hosted by me Rashaan McDonald. Thank you to our guests
on the show today and thank you our listening audience. Now,
if you want to listen to any episode, I want
to register to be a guest on my show. Visit
Moneymakingconversations dot com. Social media handle is money Making Conversations.
(37:03):
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