December 10, 2025 • 28 mins
Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Gerron Duhon.
Purpose of the Interview
The conversation aimed to:
- Highlight the importance of financial literacy for young adults.
- Share Jerron Duhon’s personal journey from Lake Charles, Louisiana, to Yale University and into holistic financial planning.
- Promote his book “The Purpose of Paper”, which focuses on building generational wealth and breaking harmful financial habits.
Key Takeaways
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Personal Journey & Identity Shift
- Jerron used football as a “meal ticket” to escape his hometown, but a concussion ended his athletic career, causing an identity crisis.
- He pivoted toward financial education and wealth creation, emphasizing long-term planning.
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Misconceptions About Wealth
- Many young adults believe wealth comes quickly through gambling, sports betting, or flashy investments.
- Social media fuels the desire to display wealth rather than build wealth, leading to poor financial decisions.
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Financial Habits & Framework
- Jerron introduced his AIMS framework:
- Awareness: Know your current financial state.
- Intention: Set clear goals and reverse-engineer steps.
- Mindset Change: Focus on future self, not old habits.
- Systems: Automate savings and investments to reduce reliance on willpower.
- Jerron introduced his AIMS framework:
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Faith and Finance Connection
- Principles like self-control, patience, and hope—fruits of the spirit—are essential for financial discipline.
- “Faith without works is dead” applies to money: belief must be paired with action.
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Generational Wealth
- Gerron stresses taking ownership of your financial future rather than leaving the burden to your children.
- Investing should be strategic and long-term, not like playing the lottery.
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Practical Advice
- Start small but consistent (e.g., $150/month).
- Use modern tools like Robinhood for stock investing.
- Shift from being a consumer to an owner (invest in companies you use).
Notable Quotes
- “Football was my meal ticket… but I realized I didn’t dream far enough.”
- “We connect our financial decisions to display wealth instead of to build wealth.”
- “Faith without works is dead—just like in finances.”
- “Are you going to be the one that changes your generation, or will you leave that pressure on your children?”
- “Good advice is timeless.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Now let's get started. My guest is twenty four years
of age, hosts four financial licenses and works in a
holistic financial planning. His mission is to help people steward
their resources so their dollars support the purpose God has
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for them. And author of the book The Purpose of Paper,
please welcome to Money Making Conversations Masterclass. Jaren do Hunt.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
How you doing? Jaren?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I'm blessed. I'm blessed and I'm excited to be on
Money Making Conversations. How much yourself Sean?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Pretty good? First of all, where are you based at?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I'm based in your hometown, Houston, Texas.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
That's a great city.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I grew up there with the college there high school,
met my wife.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
There been a good city, been a good city, Tippy.
So did you go to college down there high school
down there?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I did not. I'm originally from Lake Charles, Louisiana, about
two hours away right there on my tent, and I
went to college at Yale University in New Haven, Connecticut.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Okay, cool, that's an interesting triangle you got working there
Lake Charles Yale University down in Houston, Texas. Tell us
about that journey, because a lot of people African American
wouldn't think a person from Lake Charles community will be
a what the IVY League IVY League graduate talk to us.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Oh, yes, sir, you're spot on them about that. The
journey was amazing. I liking it to the process of
a woman giving her because it was some of the
most intense moments of my life, but also some of
the highs on the back end. So the journey from
Lake Charles to Yale. I was a football player growing up,
so God listening with that talent and I tried to
use it as best as possible. On signing day, I
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was choosing between West point two Lane, Cornell, and Yale.
I ended up inking my way down to Connecticut into
the IVY League. When I first got there, it was
a culture shock. I will say, It's like everything flipped
on its head. I'm used to the warm weather, the
southern hospitality, great food, everything just flipped. When I was
up there, I'm trekking through the snow. But it was great.
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That was the furthest I had ever been outside of
my comfort zone. I noticed all the professors were teaching
their life's work, so learning was very easy. They were
so passionate about what they were teaching, and that made
it very very digestible and it was contagious. So I
really learned a lot of great information there, and I
met a lot of great people too. One of the
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things that surprised me was although they were very prestigious,
you know Yale students, it was a lot of humility there.
I met a lot of people and I kind of thought,
I'm like, man, I thought you would be stuck up.
You're at Yale. I hear you speak. You speak so
well in the journey as I was a football player, Rashan.
As soon as I got to Yale, and I mean
right when I got to Yaloe Rashwan, I got a
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season ending concussion and ended up never playing football again.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
So was football a dream for you or just an
escape to be able to get out of the community
that you grew that you grew up in.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
That is a spot on question and it honestly, football
was my meal ticket, it was my way out. It
was it was a dream. But I realized I didn't
dream far enough, Rashan. I never said I wanted to
go to the NFL. I said I wanted to use
football to make it out of Lake Charles. And God
has a sense of humor because he let me use
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football to make it out of Lake Charles. And that
was the end of that. So it taught me that
every time you make a plan, and I use that
in my work today. I want my clients to plan
for the long term as specific as possible. But it
was a dream and it was my mill take it.
At the same time, Rashan, and I didn't realize that
in the process of achieving that dream, I had wrapped
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myself so tightly to the identity that when I stopped playing,
I had an identity crisis. And that and Yale is
the worst place to have one of those, because now
you start comparing yourself and trying to be all these
different things, and it just something me on a tail spender.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Now we're going to get into thank you due hard
because I want to talk about finances. And the reason
I brought you on the floor is I'm always talking
on my show Money Making Conversation Masterclass. I'm always talking
to older people, and I say that forty fifty sixty
when he's talking about financial planning. You know, But I
would tell you when I was your age, it was people,
older people telling me what to do with money, telling
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me set aside five hundred dollars a month, set aside
one hundred and fifty dollars a month. In my mind,
I could not wrap my head around what they were
talking about because I was young.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
As I got older, I went I wish I would
ever done that.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It was just one hundred and fifty dollars a month, man,
and I just let it just sit there on an
IBM stock or Apple stock or any intail stock.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Man.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I would be talking to you right now for sure,
many time that stock would have split. But one a
of the misconceptions you're young adults that y'all have about money,
and it may be similar to what I'm talking about,
because I was a young adult at one time too,
and the same financial opportunity that you're discussing now were
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available to me.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Floor's yours, yes, sir.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
So the misconceptions are that one, we have a misconception
that wealth comes quickly, and now I would say it's
probably in heightened since your youth, because now we have
these sports betting apps. You know, we have these like
lottery tickets, we have trading, trading in the stock market,
trading in the future market. We have these tickets, these
mil tickets that seem like I just if I bet
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on the right sports team. But for example, in the
BYU Classic last week, beat Gramblin, Southern University beat Grandma Louisiana.
It's a classic game in Louisiana. But Gramblin was expected
to beat Southern. So if you have been trying to
sports bet on that game, you would have lost your
wealth in a donation to draft teams because you tried
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to create a system to rationalize sports betting. It doesn't
work like that. Gambling is gambling. I think that is
a huge misconception that wealth is created quickly, and that
narrative is prolonged and kept into each generation, because that
is how the lottery keeps its money coming in. That
is how sports betting companies and casinos keep their money
coming in. And I'm from Louisiana, so we see a
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lot of casinos and it's no wonder they're always getting
rebuilt and they're always the biggest buildings in town because
they want to steal that money from us. So I
would definitely say the misconception that wealth comes quickly, and
also in this generation with social media, is showing you
everyone's lifestyle that other people's opinion of you matters. I
think financially we connect our financial decisions to display well
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instead of to build well. And those are two different
avenues that will lead you to two very different destinations.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Okay, so that it all comes down to habits. Now,
let's talk about you and your peer group.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
You know, because you seem like a guy every time
they come around you talking about money, you talking about
how you're doing, what you're doing with your money. How
do your friends react to mister conversation about my future
that you deliver all the time. Are they like, man,
this hard man, he'd be tripping, bro. I'm so tired
of these financial conversations. He'd be giving me like, I'm
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not a grown man, a grown woman, talk to me
about that because I'm looking at the guy. You really focus.
That's what I like about it. That comes from that
football playing days. You know you're a focused guy. So
but your focus it can also be a turnoff on
your friends and your peer group.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Talk about how you deal with that.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Great So that's a great question because it happens often,
and I'm early on I tried that. I was so fascinated.
I'm like, oh, this is what a stock is. I'm
telling my friends buying video, you know, vibe by bitcoin,
and I could see that turnoff. But on the flip side,
I had people I told that too, and now they
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have thousands of dollars in their portfolio. So where I'm
going with this is that you have that initial burst
of excitement and energy and you want to share what
you're learning because I truly feel like it can transform
your life. But don't try to be the dead horse
and people aren't receptive to it. You're casting your pearls
on swine. So I'll say I stopped trying to just
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tell everybody about the stock market like two years ago.
But what I did do was write a book for
those who are generously curious, and I do. I'm at
the ready. Anybody ring my phone and want to talk
about these things, I'm always down to have the conversation.
So I guess I kind of just stopped being so
proactive about financial education to the people that I knew
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weren't interested in it, because I don't want to ruin
my friendship because you aren't receiving my financial advice. I
have a business of people that want my financial advice.
I have a product people can sell. So it's like
I just had to compartmentalize because I still value friendship
and I want to disconnect from thinking about finances every
day too, so I want to have conversations that aren't
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finance centered. So it was a mutually aligned thing.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
You know, I remember growing up with my friends in college.
You know, my lin brother a plage to make a
side fire. He sold me my insurance. He doesn't do
insurance anymore. My other fraternity brother he sold me my
potential life and shied. I still have that that policy
probably about forty years old. Okay, he doesn't do that anymore. Okay,
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So I say that, mister young twenty four year old
out there just with the enthusiasm preaching all this the
purpose of paper.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Are you in it for the long run? Are you
just trying to make some paper?
Speaker 3 (09:59):
No, I'll be I'll be quite upfront about the answer
to that question. My target audience and the audience I
serve from my business lens are two different things. This
is purely a passion project because I feel like my people,
black people, we have historically been on the bottom end
of these generational wealth creation events like the what we're
witnessing with AI and the opportunities it creates in the
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market to build wealth, but also the disruption that creating
the job market because it eliminates jobs. So I will
say my long term plan is to be a wealth creator. Now,
whether that's through financial advising, which I honestly don't think
it is. I'm going back to business school and my
journey isn't over. I didn't put this knowledge here as
a money trap. Sure it costs you money because it
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costed me time to acquire the knowledge. That's a fair truth.
And I wanted it to be an investment because people
don't value what you give them for free. Hints what
the question you asked earlier. When I'm so willing to
tell people about the financial advice, they are less willing
to listen. So I created a document and a manuscript
because when I'm no longer teaching financial advice and I'm
running a private equity firm like your last guest, sorry
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I forgot his name, I'm on something different. So I
put this device here that's timeless, that will help you.
So I really put this here as a time capsule
of sorts because I know God has bigger things for me.
I hope they're still financially related, but if this startup
caused me, you know her, I might be next year
for a whole different company.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Which I'm not mad at. That's why I want to
let you know.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
And when you're young, their opportunity that might take you
from this direction.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I'm not mad at them, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
But what I am mad is I did and when
people will give me financial advice, I didn't take it.
I didn't educate myself on what exactly they was talking about.
And that's really the key. If somebody gives you financial advice,
it can really be overwhelming because you don't know what
they're talking about, and so you will just disconnect and
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ignore it because it seems so far away, especially when
you're young. When you're young, twenty four, you don't think
about thirty. You don't think about forty, you don't think
about fifty. Definitely don't think about sixty because there's a
certain degree of immortality that you live on, you know.
And So with that being said, their habits, their financial cycles,
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their patterns. How can readers begin breaking harmful financial habits
when they read your book?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
The purpose of paper?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Sure think I have a four step framework that I
personally use and that was influenced by the psychology courses
I take in at your university. And that four step
framework is one I call it aims right. The first
aim is awareness. You have to be honest with yourself.
And that's why I won't say it's generally applicable, because
you have to be willing to do what it takes.
You have to be honest enough to tell yourself here's
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where I'm at. Look at your balance. I do this
all the time, look at your balances across your accounts,
because your habits right now are the reason you are
who and where you are in this world. Right to
this day, be aware of what where you are and
then assess the habits started getting you there. That's the
only way. Next, you have I intention now picture a GPS.
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Does not a GPS always show you where you are
in relation to where you're going, So you have to
know the where you are part. But as far as intention,
map out who you would like to become or what
financial situation you would like to achieve in your life.
And now you can reverse engineer that. How does a
person with one million dollars use their money? How does
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a successful person think? What is the best version of myself?
What is his daily routine? Now you can steal that
and implement it now and make sure that you're on
the path to become him. The next is in mindset change.
As you make in your mind, I will become another person.
You still have to deal with the old thought processes
you used to have, and I will say for that
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best practice. Don't form your change and your new thoughts
as I don't need to be like my old self.
Form your new thoughts as I want to be my
future self. I am a successful XYZ. Because when you
start a new Year's resolution and you're like, I'm gonna
lose twenty pounds this year. You have the thought don't
eat cake, don't eat jump fool, don't eat dessert, And
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sure you have the word don't there, But your brain
only focuses on the object, and that you are emotionally
charged about the object. So you inevitably find yourself doing
what you tell yourself and focus in your mind not
to do so. Flip that and focus on what you
want to do, so now you can achieve that. Seek
out that. But also you have what's thes systems. Anytime
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you have to keep using your will power, it drains.
So you create systems and the purposes of my book.
Now you create automatic withdraws. Right every time I get
a check my rock, my retirement account, get supportion, my
savings account get supportion. And I have separate checking accounts
just because I spend out of one. So now before
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I even have the time and have the money there
to be tempted about how to spend it, all I
know a portion is already devoted to my future self.
So you create those systems. Let's say you're trying to
become fit, follow some fitness influencers, so your algorithm shows
the virtues that you want to attain. You're constantly seeing
it and you're constantly putting it in practice. Now it
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takes less of a willpower as every day. Just okay,
I got one thousand dollars right now, I need to
save this. No, you just do it upfront and create
systems to where it makes change more seamless and constant continuous.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Please don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more
Money Making Conversations master Class. Welcome back to Money Making
Conversation master Class with me Rashaun McDonald.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
And I want to tap into this inter communicating with
you because you're really interesting and from a sampoint, because
I was you at one time. You know, very smart,
very gifted, and I say those skills went away from me, but.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I didn't listen.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I didn't I couldn't map the because I was just
living for the moment, you know, I was just living
the day today. Now, my mentality is always six months,
you know, ninety day minimum. But I'm telling you right now, brother,
my mind's in April. I'm living in April, and so
that means I've lived through December, January, February, March, April. Okay,
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I'm about to start living in May, all right, And
so that's how I live now. But when I was younger,
I couldn't think like that because the basic world that
you live in I'm talking to everyday people is thirty
days wrench doing thirty days credit card got to be
paid thirty days. Card not got to be paid in
thirty days. That cycle hurt me. How do you help
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us through faith and your money? Get us there with
a better understanding of how to grow our money long
term and commit just like you portioning your money go here,
portion your money go here, portion of your money go here.
But don't go back over that message with those other
two portions, but live off the portion that you put
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over here, all right.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yes, sir. So it's a key principle of Christianity is
faith without works is dead right. So similarly, in finances,
you can tell yourself, I be rich, I'll make a
hundred million dollars, But if you don't have those works
to prove it, you are believing in vain right. So
just like you need to repent from the wrong lifestyle choices,
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you have to repent from the wrong financial decisions as well.
And how I use it and make the two correlate
and using faith to manage my finances. Three of the
fruits of the spirit that prove your faith to God
also empower you to build your wealth. And one I
like to focus on self control, the ability to forsake
what is lucrative or tempting to you in the short
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term in the name of the pursuit of your long
term goal. You haveing discipline. The next is patience. How
are you tolerating delay or suffering? Like you said, you
have a lot of these bills. You have a lot
of credit card payments. I get it, I have a
lot of student loans. How are you standing there? Do
you still believe that God commissioned you to be fruitful
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and multiply and as it says in the Bible, God
gives you the power to build wealth and diligent hands
build wealth. Like are you positioned and is your faith
strong enough in your goals and in your God that
although you endure temptation, if you stay the course, you
will get a reward at the end. Are you really
believing that? And also hope?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Do you hope?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Are you hopeless that those student loans will never go away?
Are you hopeless that that credit card payment will never
be paid or do you act? Do you even if
you have only twenty dollars left after you make your payments,
how are you using that twenty dollars? Is it evident
by the way you live that you hope to be
something one day? I never knew I was going to Yale,
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but I always hope for more than my immediate surroundings
in Lake Charles, and God didn't fail me. So I'm
a firm believer that life is a partnership. That's why
God gave you free will. You have to be in
a partnership with God, whether that spiritually or financially. So
faithful our works is dead and you have to have
those mindset and those disciplines of self control, patience and hope,
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just the same in your financial journey as you're doing
your faith journey. And I think that's all I can
say to the matter.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
And with that being said, how can we reach you?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Okay? So I am Jaron Douhan all platforms and as
far as my business, so I prefer to keep since
this my reasoning for promoting this book is a different
target audience than my work life. We have marketing in
different avenues to reach that group. I want to keep
church and state separate here, so personally my handles on Facebook, Instagram,
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TikTok Jaron g e r r o N dohon d
u h o n. You can purchase a copy of
the Purpose of Paper here. You can purchase your copy
of the Purchase the Purpose of Paper on Amazon by
typing in the Purpose of Paper by Jaren Douhant. And
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there will be an audio book in Q one of
next year, and I'm working on getting my kindle uploaded,
so there will be an ebook version as well as
an audio book.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I'll tell you so. So basically driving us to Amazon
to type in the purpose of Paper authored by you,
that's where they'll purchase a copy, and you generate revenue
based on each one of the purposes a purchase is correct.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Cool? Cool?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
You know I will tell you this, Duhon. I'm happy
I'm talking you because I don't regret the things I've
done in my life, because I feel that I've been
very successful at a lot of levels in my life.
But I do regret I wasn't a good listener. I
do regret that I was investing in not understanding how
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to invest and when people That's key when you hear
when I say that, because if you're investing investing like
you're playing the lotto, you're not going to have long
term success. He said that when you invest with a
strategy that I'm putting this aside and then not messing
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with it for twenty years, you have to say that that.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
You have to build on.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
That twenty you know, in other words, if you put
a dollar in, that same dollar stays, their original dollar
stays that you used to put another new dollar on
top for twenty years.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
If you get that mindset, I kid.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
You not, you will live a better life, a life
that you can control, and you can walk away from
full time employment, you can walk away from entrepreneurship. But
you have to start understanding that what you invest is
not something you're trying to take right out.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I completely agree the money that you put in I
liking into this. When you talk about the stock market
as it was just tickers and just places to put
your money, it's kind of impersonal. But when you think
about it as I'm recording on an Apple phone right now,
and I've bought many Apple devices in my career. I
have my book on Amazon. I'm a consumer, Like when
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you think about what it really is, are you going
to be a consumer. You have two choices of what
you do with your money. Are you going to be
a consumer and you just buying, buying, buying, just being greedy?
Just it, maybe not be greedy, but just consuming. Or
when you be an owner, I'm investing in apple Stock,
I'm own shares in Amazon. So when I to vote
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you and direct you to Amazon, I benefit from that.
You know, as I show the utility in apple Stock,
I benefit from that because I'm an owner. So you
have to flip the mindset and understand what you're really doing.
God told you be fruitful, multiply and have the menu.
Take ownership of the world. You know, And that's how
I firmly believe it. Once you look at it in
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the right lens, you'll be passionate enough to understand what
this is and what's going on. We couldn't buy stock
before Robinhood made stocks popular. It was very hard to
access in the nineteen nineties to eighties. You have to
actually write your trade on a piece of paper and
smell it in. Now you can buy stocks as simple
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as you can swipe on Instagram. So we have to
take advantage of these opportunities we have. And also, if
you want to get on a grip note, there were
one point one seven million layoffs this year. So it
looks like employment may not be the benefit and may
not be the thing that builds us wealth over the
long term because AI can take your job, may not
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but it can't. Also, then we see what happened to
the snap benefits. They were asked a couple months ago
in the government shutdown, So relying on the government may
not be your long term strategy for your success. And
they showed you we if we cut the fund in
that it's not much we can do for you. So
it's just a matter of are you willing to take
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your future into your own hands? And will you be
This is the thing like the rule of the question,
will you be the one that changes your generation? Are
you gonna put all that pressure on your children to
have to come back and sweep and clean up your mess.
That's a real question. I asked myself that all the time.
You know, my dad didn't know nothing about finances, but
you knew the fund is for all one k that fall.
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One K paid for me to go to Yeo and
my younger sister to go to Cornell, so he didn't
even know, but he still had the discipline.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Now, you know, you.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Can't say somebody didn't tell you. I just told you.
Now you know what you're gonna do with what you know? Like,
that's that's simple. What were your children inherit? A good
man leaves inheritance, So what were your children in piece
of mind? Strategy, wealth or trauma and pain and regret?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Well, you know, it's another young man that I talked
to about. He's about four years older than you. So
I always like to keep by young people in my conversation.
So you always be on my schedule. Man, we'll talk
like at least once or twice a year because I
admire you. I admire you in a lot of ways
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because you got it. You figured it out. Now, ten
years from now we'll know if you really figured it out.
But right now you're talking the language I could not
understand or comprehend. And like I said, no regrets. That's
what life is about. And I don't look back with regrets,
but I do look back and go, you could have
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done things differently, which allows me to project differently when
I look at money, when.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
I've set my goals.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Nothing in my life is thirty days. Nothing in my
life is thirty days. It used to be ninety days,
but I push you to sixty six months because I
represent talent, and I give advice, and I do marketing plans,
and so that ninety day window just doesn't work when
you're trying to do marketing plans and giving advice and
projecting success, especially financial, and then promoting product and concerts
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and all that stuff. Ninety days does not work. But
six months works for anybody who understands it. Give yourself
to start out, but you got to get out of
that thirty day cycle if.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
You want to win.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Ninety days is a nice jump off, but eventually six months.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
And above is where you want to go. But again,
he's the author of the Purpose of Paper. He's yeah, graduate.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Man god Son, most supported and tell them.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
What more time where they can get it, mister Amazon,
mister come on now.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
I mean, grab a copy of the Purpose of Paper
on Amazon, or please feel free to reach out to
me Jaring Newhan on all platforms g E R R
O N D U H O A and get a
signed copy from yours truth g D.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I sign the papers of twenty four. You do it man,
the purpose of paper. Brother, I really appreciate you, man.
This is a I always enjoyed this.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I enjoy my show man because sometimes it's a walk
down memory lane.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
But I learned something.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
And I also understand that you know, advice man, good
advice man is timeless.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
It really is. You know what you're saying. I heard, man,
when I was twenty four. I heard it.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
They weren't saying bigcoins, but they were saying they were
saying insurance policies, they were saying stock, they were saying mutual,
they were saying all those things they see um saying
today and they're gonna.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Say thirty years from now.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
So good advice is timeless, and brother, this interview is
a timeless interview. Thank you for coming on Money Making
Conversations Masterclass.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
This has been Money Making Conversations Masterclass with me Rashawn McDonald.
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Now let's get started. My guest is twenty four years
of age, hosts four financial licenses and works in a
holistic financial planning. His mission is to help people steward
their resources so their dollars support the purpose God has
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for them. And author of the book The Purpose of Paper,
please welcome to Money Making Conversations Masterclass. Jaren do Hunt.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
How you doing? Jaren?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I'm blessed. I'm blessed and I'm excited to be on
Money Making Conversations. How much yourself Sean?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Pretty good? First of all, where are you based at?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I'm based in your hometown, Houston, Texas.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
That's a great city.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I grew up there with the college there high school,
met my wife.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
There been a good city, been a good city, Tippy.
So did you go to college down there high school
down there?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I did not. I'm originally from Lake Charles, Louisiana, about
two hours away right there on my tent, and I
went to college at Yale University in New Haven, Connecticut.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Okay, cool, that's an interesting triangle you got working there
Lake Charles Yale University down in Houston, Texas. Tell us
about that journey, because a lot of people African American
wouldn't think a person from Lake Charles community will be
a what the IVY League IVY League graduate talk to us.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Oh, yes, sir, you're spot on them about that. The
journey was amazing. I liking it to the process of
a woman giving her because it was some of the
most intense moments of my life, but also some of
the highs on the back end. So the journey from
Lake Charles to Yale. I was a football player growing up,
so God listening with that talent and I tried to
use it as best as possible. On signing day, I
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was choosing between West point two Lane, Cornell, and Yale.
I ended up inking my way down to Connecticut into
the IVY League. When I first got there, it was
a culture shock. I will say, It's like everything flipped
on its head. I'm used to the warm weather, the
southern hospitality, great food, everything just flipped. When I was
up there, I'm trekking through the snow. But it was great.
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That was the furthest I had ever been outside of
my comfort zone. I noticed all the professors were teaching
their life's work, so learning was very easy. They were
so passionate about what they were teaching, and that made
it very very digestible and it was contagious. So I
really learned a lot of great information there, and I
met a lot of great people too. One of the
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things that surprised me was although they were very prestigious,
you know Yale students, it was a lot of humility there.
I met a lot of people and I kind of thought,
I'm like, man, I thought you would be stuck up.
You're at Yale. I hear you speak. You speak so
well in the journey as I was a football player, Rashan.
As soon as I got to Yale, and I mean
right when I got to Yaloe Rashwan, I got a
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season ending concussion and ended up never playing football again.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
So was football a dream for you or just an
escape to be able to get out of the community
that you grew that you grew up in.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
That is a spot on question and it honestly, football
was my meal ticket, it was my way out. It
was it was a dream. But I realized I didn't
dream far enough, Rashan. I never said I wanted to
go to the NFL. I said I wanted to use
football to make it out of Lake Charles. And God
has a sense of humor because he let me use
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football to make it out of Lake Charles. And that
was the end of that. So it taught me that
every time you make a plan, and I use that
in my work today. I want my clients to plan
for the long term as specific as possible. But it
was a dream and it was my mill take it.
At the same time, Rashan, and I didn't realize that
in the process of achieving that dream, I had wrapped
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myself so tightly to the identity that when I stopped playing,
I had an identity crisis. And that and Yale is
the worst place to have one of those, because now
you start comparing yourself and trying to be all these
different things, and it just something me on a tail spender.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Now we're going to get into thank you due hard
because I want to talk about finances. And the reason
I brought you on the floor is I'm always talking
on my show Money Making Conversation Masterclass. I'm always talking
to older people, and I say that forty fifty sixty
when he's talking about financial planning. You know, But I
would tell you when I was your age, it was people,
older people telling me what to do with money, telling
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me set aside five hundred dollars a month, set aside
one hundred and fifty dollars a month. In my mind,
I could not wrap my head around what they were
talking about because I was young.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
As I got older, I went I wish I would
ever done that.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It was just one hundred and fifty dollars a month, man,
and I just let it just sit there on an
IBM stock or Apple stock or any intail stock.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Man.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I would be talking to you right now for sure,
many time that stock would have split. But one a
of the misconceptions you're young adults that y'all have about money,
and it may be similar to what I'm talking about,
because I was a young adult at one time too,
and the same financial opportunity that you're discussing now were
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available to me.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Floor's yours, yes, sir.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
So the misconceptions are that one, we have a misconception
that wealth comes quickly, and now I would say it's
probably in heightened since your youth, because now we have
these sports betting apps. You know, we have these like
lottery tickets, we have trading, trading in the stock market,
trading in the future market. We have these tickets, these
mil tickets that seem like I just if I bet
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on the right sports team. But for example, in the
BYU Classic last week, beat Gramblin, Southern University beat Grandma Louisiana.
It's a classic game in Louisiana. But Gramblin was expected
to beat Southern. So if you have been trying to
sports bet on that game, you would have lost your
wealth in a donation to draft teams because you tried
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to create a system to rationalize sports betting. It doesn't
work like that. Gambling is gambling. I think that is
a huge misconception that wealth is created quickly, and that
narrative is prolonged and kept into each generation, because that
is how the lottery keeps its money coming in. That
is how sports betting companies and casinos keep their money
coming in. And I'm from Louisiana, so we see a
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lot of casinos and it's no wonder they're always getting
rebuilt and they're always the biggest buildings in town because
they want to steal that money from us. So I
would definitely say the misconception that wealth comes quickly, and
also in this generation with social media, is showing you
everyone's lifestyle that other people's opinion of you matters. I
think financially we connect our financial decisions to display well
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instead of to build well. And those are two different
avenues that will lead you to two very different destinations.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Okay, so that it all comes down to habits. Now,
let's talk about you and your peer group.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
You know, because you seem like a guy every time
they come around you talking about money, you talking about
how you're doing, what you're doing with your money. How
do your friends react to mister conversation about my future
that you deliver all the time. Are they like, man,
this hard man, he'd be tripping, bro. I'm so tired
of these financial conversations. He'd be giving me like, I'm
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not a grown man, a grown woman, talk to me
about that because I'm looking at the guy. You really focus.
That's what I like about it. That comes from that
football playing days. You know you're a focused guy. So
but your focus it can also be a turnoff on
your friends and your peer group.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Talk about how you deal with that.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Great So that's a great question because it happens often,
and I'm early on I tried that. I was so fascinated.
I'm like, oh, this is what a stock is. I'm
telling my friends buying video, you know, vibe by bitcoin,
and I could see that turnoff. But on the flip side,
I had people I told that too, and now they
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have thousands of dollars in their portfolio. So where I'm
going with this is that you have that initial burst
of excitement and energy and you want to share what
you're learning because I truly feel like it can transform
your life. But don't try to be the dead horse
and people aren't receptive to it. You're casting your pearls
on swine. So I'll say I stopped trying to just
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tell everybody about the stock market like two years ago.
But what I did do was write a book for
those who are generously curious, and I do. I'm at
the ready. Anybody ring my phone and want to talk
about these things, I'm always down to have the conversation.
So I guess I kind of just stopped being so
proactive about financial education to the people that I knew
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weren't interested in it, because I don't want to ruin
my friendship because you aren't receiving my financial advice. I
have a business of people that want my financial advice.
I have a product people can sell. So it's like
I just had to compartmentalize because I still value friendship
and I want to disconnect from thinking about finances every
day too, so I want to have conversations that aren't
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finance centered. So it was a mutually aligned thing.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
You know, I remember growing up with my friends in college.
You know, my lin brother a plage to make a
side fire. He sold me my insurance. He doesn't do
insurance anymore. My other fraternity brother he sold me my
potential life and shied. I still have that that policy
probably about forty years old. Okay, he doesn't do that anymore. Okay,
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So I say that, mister young twenty four year old
out there just with the enthusiasm preaching all this the
purpose of paper.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Are you in it for the long run? Are you
just trying to make some paper?
Speaker 3 (09:59):
No, I'll be I'll be quite upfront about the answer
to that question. My target audience and the audience I
serve from my business lens are two different things. This
is purely a passion project because I feel like my people,
black people, we have historically been on the bottom end
of these generational wealth creation events like the what we're
witnessing with AI and the opportunities it creates in the
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market to build wealth, but also the disruption that creating
the job market because it eliminates jobs. So I will
say my long term plan is to be a wealth creator. Now,
whether that's through financial advising, which I honestly don't think
it is. I'm going back to business school and my
journey isn't over. I didn't put this knowledge here as
a money trap. Sure it costs you money because it
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costed me time to acquire the knowledge. That's a fair truth.
And I wanted it to be an investment because people
don't value what you give them for free. Hints what
the question you asked earlier. When I'm so willing to
tell people about the financial advice, they are less willing
to listen. So I created a document and a manuscript
because when I'm no longer teaching financial advice and I'm
running a private equity firm like your last guest, sorry
(11:05):
I forgot his name, I'm on something different. So I
put this device here that's timeless, that will help you.
So I really put this here as a time capsule
of sorts because I know God has bigger things for me.
I hope they're still financially related, but if this startup
caused me, you know her, I might be next year
for a whole different company.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Which I'm not mad at. That's why I want to
let you know.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
And when you're young, their opportunity that might take you
from this direction.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I'm not mad at them, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
But what I am mad is I did and when
people will give me financial advice, I didn't take it.
I didn't educate myself on what exactly they was talking about.
And that's really the key. If somebody gives you financial advice,
it can really be overwhelming because you don't know what
they're talking about, and so you will just disconnect and
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ignore it because it seems so far away, especially when
you're young. When you're young, twenty four, you don't think
about thirty. You don't think about forty, you don't think
about fifty. Definitely don't think about sixty because there's a
certain degree of immortality that you live on, you know.
And So with that being said, their habits, their financial cycles,
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their patterns. How can readers begin breaking harmful financial habits
when they read your book?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
The purpose of paper?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Sure think I have a four step framework that I
personally use and that was influenced by the psychology courses
I take in at your university. And that four step
framework is one I call it aims right. The first
aim is awareness. You have to be honest with yourself.
And that's why I won't say it's generally applicable, because
you have to be willing to do what it takes.
You have to be honest enough to tell yourself here's
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where I'm at. Look at your balance. I do this
all the time, look at your balances across your accounts,
because your habits right now are the reason you are
who and where you are in this world. Right to
this day, be aware of what where you are and
then assess the habits started getting you there. That's the
only way. Next, you have I intention now picture a GPS.
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Does not a GPS always show you where you are
in relation to where you're going, So you have to
know the where you are part. But as far as intention,
map out who you would like to become or what
financial situation you would like to achieve in your life.
And now you can reverse engineer that. How does a
person with one million dollars use their money? How does
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a successful person think? What is the best version of myself?
What is his daily routine? Now you can steal that
and implement it now and make sure that you're on
the path to become him. The next is in mindset change.
As you make in your mind, I will become another person.
You still have to deal with the old thought processes
you used to have, and I will say for that
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best practice. Don't form your change and your new thoughts
as I don't need to be like my old self.
Form your new thoughts as I want to be my
future self. I am a successful XYZ. Because when you
start a new Year's resolution and you're like, I'm gonna
lose twenty pounds this year. You have the thought don't
eat cake, don't eat jump fool, don't eat dessert, And
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sure you have the word don't there, But your brain
only focuses on the object, and that you are emotionally
charged about the object. So you inevitably find yourself doing
what you tell yourself and focus in your mind not
to do so. Flip that and focus on what you
want to do, so now you can achieve that. Seek
out that. But also you have what's thes systems. Anytime
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you have to keep using your will power, it drains.
So you create systems and the purposes of my book.
Now you create automatic withdraws. Right every time I get
a check my rock, my retirement account, get supportion, my
savings account get supportion. And I have separate checking accounts
just because I spend out of one. So now before
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I even have the time and have the money there
to be tempted about how to spend it, all I
know a portion is already devoted to my future self.
So you create those systems. Let's say you're trying to
become fit, follow some fitness influencers, so your algorithm shows
the virtues that you want to attain. You're constantly seeing
it and you're constantly putting it in practice. Now it
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takes less of a willpower as every day. Just okay,
I got one thousand dollars right now, I need to
save this. No, you just do it upfront and create
systems to where it makes change more seamless and constant continuous.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Please don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more
Money Making Conversations master Class. Welcome back to Money Making
Conversation master Class with me Rashaun McDonald.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
And I want to tap into this inter communicating with
you because you're really interesting and from a sampoint, because
I was you at one time. You know, very smart,
very gifted, and I say those skills went away from me, but.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I didn't listen.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I didn't I couldn't map the because I was just
living for the moment, you know, I was just living
the day today. Now, my mentality is always six months,
you know, ninety day minimum. But I'm telling you right now, brother,
my mind's in April. I'm living in April, and so
that means I've lived through December, January, February, March, April. Okay,
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I'm about to start living in May, all right, And
so that's how I live now. But when I was younger,
I couldn't think like that because the basic world that
you live in I'm talking to everyday people is thirty
days wrench doing thirty days credit card got to be
paid thirty days. Card not got to be paid in
thirty days. That cycle hurt me. How do you help
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us through faith and your money? Get us there with
a better understanding of how to grow our money long
term and commit just like you portioning your money go here,
portion your money go here, portion of your money go here.
But don't go back over that message with those other
two portions, but live off the portion that you put
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over here, all right.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yes, sir. So it's a key principle of Christianity is
faith without works is dead right. So similarly, in finances,
you can tell yourself, I be rich, I'll make a
hundred million dollars, But if you don't have those works
to prove it, you are believing in vain right. So
just like you need to repent from the wrong lifestyle choices,
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you have to repent from the wrong financial decisions as well.
And how I use it and make the two correlate
and using faith to manage my finances. Three of the
fruits of the spirit that prove your faith to God
also empower you to build your wealth. And one I
like to focus on self control, the ability to forsake
what is lucrative or tempting to you in the short
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term in the name of the pursuit of your long
term goal. You haveing discipline. The next is patience. How
are you tolerating delay or suffering? Like you said, you
have a lot of these bills. You have a lot
of credit card payments. I get it, I have a
lot of student loans. How are you standing there? Do
you still believe that God commissioned you to be fruitful
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and multiply and as it says in the Bible, God
gives you the power to build wealth and diligent hands
build wealth. Like are you positioned and is your faith
strong enough in your goals and in your God that
although you endure temptation, if you stay the course, you
will get a reward at the end. Are you really
believing that? And also hope?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Do you hope?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Are you hopeless that those student loans will never go away?
Are you hopeless that that credit card payment will never
be paid or do you act? Do you even if
you have only twenty dollars left after you make your payments,
how are you using that twenty dollars? Is it evident
by the way you live that you hope to be
something one day? I never knew I was going to Yale,
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but I always hope for more than my immediate surroundings
in Lake Charles, and God didn't fail me. So I'm
a firm believer that life is a partnership. That's why
God gave you free will. You have to be in
a partnership with God, whether that spiritually or financially. So
faithful our works is dead and you have to have
those mindset and those disciplines of self control, patience and hope,
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just the same in your financial journey as you're doing
your faith journey. And I think that's all I can
say to the matter.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
And with that being said, how can we reach you?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Okay? So I am Jaron Douhan all platforms and as
far as my business, so I prefer to keep since
this my reasoning for promoting this book is a different
target audience than my work life. We have marketing in
different avenues to reach that group. I want to keep
church and state separate here, so personally my handles on Facebook, Instagram,
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TikTok Jaron g e r r o N dohon d
u h o n. You can purchase a copy of
the Purpose of Paper here. You can purchase your copy
of the Purchase the Purpose of Paper on Amazon by
typing in the Purpose of Paper by Jaren Douhant. And
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there will be an audio book in Q one of
next year, and I'm working on getting my kindle uploaded,
so there will be an ebook version as well as
an audio book.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I'll tell you so. So basically driving us to Amazon
to type in the purpose of Paper authored by you,
that's where they'll purchase a copy, and you generate revenue
based on each one of the purposes a purchase is correct.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Cool? Cool?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
You know I will tell you this, Duhon. I'm happy
I'm talking you because I don't regret the things I've
done in my life, because I feel that I've been
very successful at a lot of levels in my life.
But I do regret I wasn't a good listener. I
do regret that I was investing in not understanding how
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to invest and when people That's key when you hear
when I say that, because if you're investing investing like
you're playing the lotto, you're not going to have long
term success. He said that when you invest with a
strategy that I'm putting this aside and then not messing
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with it for twenty years, you have to say that that.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
You have to build on.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
That twenty you know, in other words, if you put
a dollar in, that same dollar stays, their original dollar
stays that you used to put another new dollar on
top for twenty years.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
If you get that mindset, I kid.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
You not, you will live a better life, a life
that you can control, and you can walk away from
full time employment, you can walk away from entrepreneurship. But
you have to start understanding that what you invest is
not something you're trying to take right out.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I completely agree the money that you put in I
liking into this. When you talk about the stock market
as it was just tickers and just places to put
your money, it's kind of impersonal. But when you think
about it as I'm recording on an Apple phone right now,
and I've bought many Apple devices in my career. I
have my book on Amazon. I'm a consumer, Like when
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you think about what it really is, are you going
to be a consumer. You have two choices of what
you do with your money. Are you going to be
a consumer and you just buying, buying, buying, just being greedy?
Just it, maybe not be greedy, but just consuming. Or
when you be an owner, I'm investing in apple Stock,
I'm own shares in Amazon. So when I to vote
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you and direct you to Amazon, I benefit from that.
You know, as I show the utility in apple Stock,
I benefit from that because I'm an owner. So you
have to flip the mindset and understand what you're really doing.
God told you be fruitful, multiply and have the menu.
Take ownership of the world. You know, And that's how
I firmly believe it. Once you look at it in
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the right lens, you'll be passionate enough to understand what
this is and what's going on. We couldn't buy stock
before Robinhood made stocks popular. It was very hard to
access in the nineteen nineties to eighties. You have to
actually write your trade on a piece of paper and
smell it in. Now you can buy stocks as simple
(23:41):
as you can swipe on Instagram. So we have to
take advantage of these opportunities we have. And also, if
you want to get on a grip note, there were
one point one seven million layoffs this year. So it
looks like employment may not be the benefit and may
not be the thing that builds us wealth over the
long term because AI can take your job, may not
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but it can't. Also, then we see what happened to
the snap benefits. They were asked a couple months ago
in the government shutdown, So relying on the government may
not be your long term strategy for your success. And
they showed you we if we cut the fund in
that it's not much we can do for you. So
it's just a matter of are you willing to take
(24:24):
your future into your own hands? And will you be
This is the thing like the rule of the question,
will you be the one that changes your generation? Are
you gonna put all that pressure on your children to
have to come back and sweep and clean up your mess.
That's a real question. I asked myself that all the time.
You know, my dad didn't know nothing about finances, but
you knew the fund is for all one k that fall.
(24:44):
One K paid for me to go to Yeo and
my younger sister to go to Cornell, so he didn't
even know, but he still had the discipline.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Now, you know, you.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Can't say somebody didn't tell you. I just told you.
Now you know what you're gonna do with what you know? Like,
that's that's simple. What were your children inherit? A good
man leaves inheritance, So what were your children in piece
of mind? Strategy, wealth or trauma and pain and regret?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Well, you know, it's another young man that I talked
to about. He's about four years older than you. So
I always like to keep by young people in my conversation.
So you always be on my schedule. Man, we'll talk
like at least once or twice a year because I
admire you. I admire you in a lot of ways
(25:32):
because you got it. You figured it out. Now, ten
years from now we'll know if you really figured it out.
But right now you're talking the language I could not
understand or comprehend. And like I said, no regrets. That's
what life is about. And I don't look back with regrets,
but I do look back and go, you could have
(25:53):
done things differently, which allows me to project differently when
I look at money, when.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
I've set my goals.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Nothing in my life is thirty days. Nothing in my
life is thirty days. It used to be ninety days,
but I push you to sixty six months because I
represent talent, and I give advice, and I do marketing plans,
and so that ninety day window just doesn't work when
you're trying to do marketing plans and giving advice and
projecting success, especially financial, and then promoting product and concerts
(26:28):
and all that stuff. Ninety days does not work. But
six months works for anybody who understands it. Give yourself
to start out, but you got to get out of
that thirty day cycle if.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
You want to win.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Ninety days is a nice jump off, but eventually six months.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
And above is where you want to go. But again,
he's the author of the Purpose of Paper. He's yeah, graduate.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Man god Son, most supported and tell them.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
What more time where they can get it, mister Amazon,
mister come on now.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
I mean, grab a copy of the Purpose of Paper
on Amazon, or please feel free to reach out to
me Jaring Newhan on all platforms g E R R
O N D U H O A and get a
signed copy from yours truth g D.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I sign the papers of twenty four. You do it man,
the purpose of paper. Brother, I really appreciate you, man.
This is a I always enjoyed this.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I enjoy my show man because sometimes it's a walk
down memory lane.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
But I learned something.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
And I also understand that you know, advice man, good
advice man is timeless.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
It really is. You know what you're saying. I heard, man,
when I was twenty four. I heard it.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
They weren't saying bigcoins, but they were saying they were
saying insurance policies, they were saying stock, they were saying mutual,
they were saying all those things they see um saying
today and they're gonna.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Say thirty years from now.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
So good advice is timeless, and brother, this interview is
a timeless interview. Thank you for coming on Money Making
Conversations Masterclass.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
This has been Money Making Conversations Masterclass with me Rashawn McDonald.
Thanks to our guests and our audience. Visit Moneymakingconversations dot
com to listen or register to be a guest on
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