July 12, 2025 • 25 mins
Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Dominique Leonard.
Founder of Jus' Free, a parole package provider. Here are some key highlights and themes from the conversation:
🔑 Key Themes & Takeaways 1. From Incarceration to Inspiration
- Dominique Leonard was sentenced to life in prison for a non-aggravated robbery.
- He discovered that “life” sentences can vary, and his was eligible for parole after 5.5 to 6 years.
- He was denied parole initially, which led him to take control of his own legal journey.
2. Birth of “Jus' Free”
- After being denied parole, Dominique created his own parole package with the help of his family.
- He realized many inmates are unaware of how they are presented to the parole board.
- This inspired him to found Jus' Free, a service that helps inmates humanize themselves through custom parole packages.
3. Faith, Family, and Redemption
- Dominique credits his faith and family for his transformation.
- He emphasizes that making a bad decision doesn’t make someone a bad person.
- His story is a testament to second chances and the power of self-advocacy.
4. Entrepreneurial Journey
- After release, he started with humble jobs and gradually built Just Free into a business.
- He took a paralegal course to deepen his legal knowledge.
- He began by contacting inmates directly and now boasts an 82% success rate in helping clients secure parole.
5. Impact and Legacy
- Dominique’s work not only helps inmates but also supports their families.
- His story is a reminder of the importance of empathy, support systems, and believing in redemption.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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just Free. That's jus Free, a parole packaged provider that
educates inmates who are unaware of what is presented about
them to the Board of Pardons and Parole. Ali Please
(00:42):
welcome to Money Making Conversation Masterclass.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Dominique Leonard. How are you doing, Dominique?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I'm doing good. How you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Thank you for having me appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I met you and at a black man's wellness event
in Houston, Texas.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Correct, yes, okay, cool?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
And while we there, we was there because my wife's
company was there for the work illness and awful to
get our own little stuff done and our procedures done,
and also to support, you know, to support the community
and come out and see what was going on as well.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Right right, and that's when we met.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
We connected and he said, hey, uh, you started telling
me about his program just Just Free. Now, how did
Just Free start? Because obviously you know it's tied to
people who are who are being incarcerated. Are incarcerated? Have
you been incarcerated? Dominique Lennon, Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Sir, so, I was incarcerated and that's Howffrey was born
through mynd incarceration. I was actually given a life sentence
do min incarceration and we actually hired little help.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Hold on, holdo, I'm dominating now. You know life centence?
Now you just blue pass that.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Man, somebody gonna tell you you're gonna go to jail
for life, and you act like that was a comma
in the sentence. Okay, now, somebody tell me now now,
because there's certain moments in my life that things have
happened to me, and everything moves in slow motion when
I hear and I told when I when somebody told me,
when the doctor told me I had he had diagnosed
(02:10):
me with cancer, my life slowed.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Man.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I was like, wow, did he say cancer? And I
kept repeating that word to myself and so so in
a court. You was standing there and they said you
going to jail for life?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yes? Yeah, So the jury stood there and told me
I'd be going to prison for life. And actually you
said that. It was like a slow motion, non surreal moment.
It was like a heart of body experience. And I'm
standing there like, okay, they just say life. Am I
going to prison for life? And at the time I
didn't understand what life meant. So again, through that process
(02:55):
of prison, it's worth just free was created.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Okay, cool, let's let's let's just the people. So you know,
you know, when people hear the word life, they feel,
you know, if something super do you did something super super? Well,
I'm tell youing going to jail and somebody arresting you.
You've done something wrong. Let's admit that what exactly did
you do? They put you in a position to receive
this sentence.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I had a non aggravated robbery charge and that was
my That was my charge. It was walking into a
bank with a note. I only took it to trial
because they were trying to put more cases on me
that had nothing to do with me. But it matched
the same mo and that goes with any kind of
time you get any kind of crime that's uh, you know,
for any kind of violent crime or crime that that
had a certain mo and it's unsolved, They're gonna try
(03:40):
to put them all on you. And so I wanted
to trial, but they would offer me seven years if
I didn't go to trial. Uh, but I petitioned the
court to go to charge to pipe these charges.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Okay, Now, so you went in a bank with a note,
gave it to a teller, Yes, sir, Taelor gave you money,
and you walked out.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Well, yes, sir, you got away, Yes, sir, how long
did you get?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Well?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
You are free? And how did you get caught?
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I was?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I was. I was free for about seven eight months.
I got turned in by my cousin for me and
over a dispute that we had over money, and he
called the two too tip line they have in Houston, Texas,
and that's how they put me over. That's how I
got put in custody.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Crab in the bar, grabs in the barray cool. So
that's that's you're done wrong. You got caught.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Now you're in jail and they they put all these
these cases on you. You tried to fight it and
you still went to jail anyway, and then your how
did you find out that there was a loop, that
there are different versions of a life sentence?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
How did you get educated about that?
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Well, it was actually when I was in corossbrated. I
had made a phone call home to my cousin and
he was like, hey, bro, not the cousin, not that girl. Right, No,
I haven't seen that business. I've been free. But I
called home to my cousin. He said, hey, man, you
have a life insurance, but you have to do five
and a half six years where you come up a parole.
(05:18):
So you have a non aggravated licensest. Non aggravated lescens
mean that when nobody touch somebody got hurt with the
weapon involved. If I had an aggravated life sentence mean
somebody got hurt, it was a weapon involved or something
to that caliber. So it was a non aggravated life entese.
And so I knew I had to do five and
a half six years before I see parole. So in
that process, that's when my family hired a parole attorney
(05:40):
at the time, while I'm doing my time to help
me get home on my phone and yes, sir, And
so that didn't happen. So my first part, after doing
six and a half years, I came up a parole.
Then I got denied my parole, and so at that
point I called home to my mom, spoke to her,
We got ahold of my dad, and he did me
(06:02):
a hardship or harshpit where they get you moved closer
to home if the family can't travel so far to
see you. So I got a hardship to get me
closer to home. And in that hardship I got closer
to home. And the whole time walking incarcerated, God was
stead of elevating my life. Even in the walls of
prison I was. I didn't get any trouble, I didn't
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have any fights. I mean, like again, I was protected
by God and doing the whole process. But in this transfer,
it's when I told my family, hey, listen, I'm not
sure what the parole attorney did on my behalf, but
I think I know what parole wants to see because
before my incarceration in Houston, I was known as a
celebrity warder. I have a lot of clientele that I
was cutting and traveling with doing this process, and I
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don't think parole knew what that is who I was.
They get new to tate him. It's a black guy
committed the crime. He's all over the place. Oh my god.
But so I want to put a faith and I
want to put life to my pro package. So I
had my family to fire my parole attorney and fire
her whole team. And they thought I was crazy about it. Mind,
just like you pray, I pray, and I feel I
have a vision of what they want to see. Right. Together,
(07:05):
we worked together, we worked, and so.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
You became your own jail house lawyer.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yes sir, Yes, sir. And then you know what that
is a good saying because the likely what happens. A
lot of guys get in there, They learn cases, they
learn things and start fighting for yourself because every person
incarcerated only wants one thing that to be free.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Right, How does that work? How did that work?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
You know?
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Because it's gonna be real here. You know you are free.
You didn't want to open a book.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
You know, you wanted to get to go through the
easy while you walked in the bank and gave somebody
a note and walk out with somebody else's money. Now
you're in jail, you know you found God because your
faith is strong in jail, correct, and then it is
strong because guess what you pray mean? Prayer mean something
to you in jail. I know because I had a
younger brother who was in jail.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
And so.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Now were there other people who mentored if you through
this process and told you this is how you should
do it, if you're going to try to find legal
ways to get yourself out of prison, the legal ways
to understand the parole system. Who was mentoring you while
you were in prison before before you launched overall business
(08:17):
called just Free, which is what you're doing now that you're.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Out of prison.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Well, honestly, nobody mentored me doing this process. And I
believe that a lot of people get incarcerated. Some of
them make bad decisions and that don't make them a
bad person. I made a bad decision right to make
me a bad person. I always had God in my life.
I just to turn back around to look at my
God again while I was in prison, because you know,
(08:43):
I mean a lot of people get raised with God
in their life in praying, praying mothers, prand grandmothers, whatever,
you know, even prand fathers. One of them people again,
I just started to go my own way and I
went to foolish with so everything I gained the right way,
I lost the wrong way by that one bad decision.
Because everything I literally had, from moathershop to the cards,
whatever how I was living, really it was legit. I
(09:04):
lived right. I made that one bad decision to go
into the bank, and now we created the whole downfall.
So while I'm in prison, now, I just made a
whole u turn to who Dominique really is and who
I am as a person, because I went in again.
I went in at thirty four, so I didn't go
in young foolish. I went in as a grown man
who had responsibility before. So I took my mind that
(09:26):
I was already working with I hate and me can
sit down, blow down, Let's think about what you want
to do. Because you got this parole attorney. I can't
see what they're doing for me. So that's why we
let them go. And that's why I started creating my
own prow practice because again I just I prayed about it,
and I just had this feeling that hey, parole don't
know who I am, and because in this prison we
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are dehumanized, and so I had to humanize myself within
the walls of prison. And that's how Just Free got created.
And I just kind of start petitioning things, putting things together.
My family called up some friends, getting pictures done, getting
stuff done to create this package. And once they got formatted,
I sent them home. My family make copy, sent them
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all back to me. I sent them off to the
pro board. So after my two year set off, I've
seen parole again. This time I came prepared because now
I got my parole package, and I made a promise
to God. I said, God, if you give me a chance,
if you get me out this, I promised, when I
get home, I create Just Free. And I petitioned the
court with my actually parole board with my parole package.
(10:31):
It was March twenty sixteen, and made the other sixteen.
The pro board called my mom said they wanted to
come see me in person, which don't happen because after
twenty years to see somebody from parole only did seven
and a half years. By this time almost eight and
so actually the pro boy came to see me in person.
I seen parole in March. They call my mom around May.
(10:53):
They didn't come see me until almost the end of
October twenty sixteen. So I'm waiting almost six seven eight
months for an answer. I'm I'll go home or not.
But they told my mom that wasn't gonna make an
answer to the see me in person. But when they
came to see me in person, that changed the whole dynamic.
The first thing the parole board told me his name
(11:13):
is Tony Garcia. He said, I've been doing this a
very long time. The time you have with your crime
don't match, is overkill, he said, he said, but once
you get home, what are you gonna do with this time?
Before I can't even answer, I already heard what he said.
He said, once you get home, what are you gonna
do with this time? Over your head? So I'm crying
(11:36):
now like a baby because he let me know he's
gonna release me. I've been walking straight up. My officer
wym out of the trustee kept I haven't been in
no trouble because everybody who gets incarcerated, you have to
walk your own walk in prison. You can't walk next
to the next man because see what's gonna happen. The
next man's gonna go home, You're still gonna be there.
He can't really have homeboys up in prison as you can,
but you have to walk your own walk. I walked
(11:57):
my walk the whole time while I was in prison.
That makes me a big bad man. And I just
had my eyes on I know I'm going home one day.
I know I have to live life after this life.
And and so he granted me parole. I got an
if I want. If I won, means you leave within
thirty days of that answer. So he granted me the
highest parole. You can get what the f I want.
(12:17):
And so on top of that, I've also was given
the lowest levels of provision, which means that I report
every three to six months first of having to go
every two weeks. I'm a monetary. Yeah, so I even
had the lowest levels of provision. And so again that's
how I just freed got created.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Wow, you know, thank you for this honest conversation. Yeah,
allow me to interrupt to share statements because I want
to make sure that you're an entrepreneur. Now you know
you made a mistake. And I tell everybody I made mistakes,
and I know I remember when I was in college.
Before we go to break, I'm just tell everybody this
little store that couldn't put me in jail. I remember
(12:56):
my fraternity, the brothers had sent me out and toil.
We don't come back unless I had some plants. I
didn't have no money. They say, we want you come
back in this house without some plants. We're gonna you're
gonna find out something by pledging that you don't want
to find out. And I always remember it was it was.
It was in Houston, and it was on a bare
left freeway, you know, bare laff freeway, you know what
(13:18):
I'm talking about, And bare left Freeway is like one
of those really white neighborhoods, really white neighborhoods, and they
had this, they had this like a florid like like
a garden center, and I had to park my car
and you could and I had to go like I
got some plants. And I kid you not, somebody could
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have just been driving along the freeway saw me getting
these plants. Because my big brothers told me, if I
don't come back with these plants, you're gonna you're gonna
be in trouble. And my whole life could have been
changed because of that silly moment, that silly moment of
of of doing that. And so we all have moments
that we can think about and and that was a
(14:00):
regretful moment. That's why I'm sharing it with I'm not
proud of that moment because I want to share with
everyone to understands that Raseean McDonald did something stupid in
his life. He didn't get caught, but that doesn't mean
it wasn't stupid.
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Speaker 2 (14:41):
Just Free is a parole package provider that educates inmates
who are unaware of what is presented to them to
the Board of Pardons and Parole. I apologize for those
for those errors in my speech, and my guest is
Dominique Leonard. Dominique chair's his stories, journ and how this
whole concept. While he was incarcerated, Just Free became a
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business model for him. He relied on his faith and
his family and he became a jail host lawyer and
working on that, he was able to fire all this
legal team, fired his legal team, and relied on himself
and his family, and he achieved parole because he was
given a life sentence. Now the transition. I'm gonna tell you.
(15:27):
When my brother, my little brother, got out of jail,
he was anno it all. Couldn't tell him nothing, couldn't
tell him nothing, even though he was in jail, you know,
kept money on the books. He got out, I couldn't
tell him nothing. Now when you got out of jail, sir,
well you know what all?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Well, you a know it all.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Couldn't nobody tell you nothing?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Dominque. No, No, actually I wasn't. I wasn't a know
it all. I wasn't a very humble place for I
got a Christian. I was very humble. I was very
unfincere about life. I was listening, I was. I was
willing to take any job that was going to hire me.
So I actually, when I got home, say how humble
I was. I knew I was hungry for life. I
had kids I had to feed. I still had to
live my life. And so I started taking a little
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jobs at warehouse that was paying eight dollars an hour,
nine dots an hour. But it wasn't the amount that
that mattered to me. What mattered to me was just
get myself back back acquainted again with life and society,
getting back into the working mode, working working style, to
the working hustle. And so you know, I mean, so
those jobs paid eight dollars an hour and I got
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paid every single week. For me, that was enough just
to get something in the gas can, get to put
something on the table. Let's give my kids. He got
twenty bucks, he got thirty bus whatever it may be,
if they need some shoes, whatever. Because I knew it
wasn't going to be my end or that was my start,
but it was going to be my end. And so
I came home very humble.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Now that's great to hear. And because you had a
goal and the fact that you were focused. Now, how
did you start putting just free implement that? How did
you start making a business model for you? And did
you sit down? Did you go to SBA, did you
go to score? How did you start realizing this can
be a company and how did that become?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
So?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
How did you implement the steps? Implement the steps?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Well, this is what happened when I got home, When
I got home. I had a vision to so I
write my plays. So I was writing my player as
I was doing theater, and that was going actually really well,
and it was opening some doors for me. And my
mom kept telling me, son, until you give back and
give your testimony and give what you've been through and
give how God released you. As wasn't great, doors are
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open for you. And it was probably about maybe six
seven months have to be in home. I sat down,
I went back to my folder again. I seen my
spress of God. Now it's time to launch this just free.
I didn't. I didn't take any kind of classes, but
I did kind of like study certain things that I
that I've seen while I was in prison. I went
back and revisited that, some of the packages, some things
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I may have seen. I revisited that. But again I
stuck with the same plan that got me free because
I couldn't change it because it worked. And it's like
why change something that works? And so I went on
my own m O. And now I did take a
para legal course. I took a para legal course. I
did do that, you know, just to get more knowledge
on the legal side of things and get more knowledge
on the parole side and the laws and when they
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change and stuff like that. So that helped me some
as well. But as far as the parole package, that
was solely from what God gave me. You know it
was it was. It was twenty five percent a parole
plan and seventy five percent faith right right.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Right right right now. Let me ask you this, how
did you get your customers? How did you get your clients?
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Great question? What I did is that I went on
the TDC website and I would just look for guys
on TDC websites who had a parole coming up where
there was two years away, three years away. Three years
is a pretty good time. And I would send them
a package and I would send them a courveror sheet
of just Free, and I would send them an intro
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what we do for just free, and I will send
it in because I knew if I can contact the inmates,
all them, what one thing just to be free? Right,
So I knew if I can contact them, they will
get it home to their families. So that's how it
initially started off. I will contact all the inmates of
them as many image as I can, and my family
poured in and start blessing me with stamps and start
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blessing me with envelopes and stuff like that to get
the letters in there. So so everybody kind of poured
the feed into me to get that going. And then
then before I know it, family started calling me. Okay,
then when family started calling me, we started creating paro practices.
If we start creating more pro practice, more propractics, and
then thenfore I know it, these guys are coming home
on parole, coming home on parro, coming home on paro,
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and right now today we're eighty two percent, you know,
on a success play of bringing guys home on parole.
And even if they don't make their first parole, we
stick with them until they get home. And most of
the time they're making the second parro is coming home
on programs, are coming straight home. So I'm going to
come home on monitors. But it's all according to their case.
You know, I'm just I'm out of controller, but they
have to come home on I'm just in controllers. Try
to get them free back into society right.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Now, imagine it. This, This is really impressive. Thank you
for sharing your story.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Because you know, it's just an idea, man, you know,
and somehow I don't know, brother, if you don't go
to jail, there's no just free. If you don't go
to jail, there's not a lot of people out of
jail because you've shown them the pathway of doing it right,
so it can stay out. And so I can't say
what is happening to you is is a bad thing
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because it was a bad thing and you did a
bad thing. But man, the fact that you've created this business,
how do you feel? How do the people your family
feels about what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
My family feels this is it. They feel like, hey,
you stay right here in this lane. This is it.
How I feel about it. For me, every time I
get a phone call, every time I hear about somebody
being incarcerated, whether they become a client or not, just
to get the phone call, it's a humble situation that
reminds me of where I was and where I don't
want to go back to. That keeps me free, and
that keeps me humble, That keeps me in my place
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as a man and a father of the husband, you know,
as a person or the brother. So for me, it's
great to have this, sercha. But I think the greatest
thing about it it was just helping other families who
go through and who deal with it, because my mom
dealt with it. She tried her tell a life, trying
to get us free and so so to hear other
mother's crime and want their son's home and stuff like that.
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I have more of a solid foundation because I've been
through it. We've been through it. So now this whole
networking system that we have on a team, we all
work together to make sure we get the best of
success great as possible.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Dominique Leonard just free. Hey, Dominique, Man, I'm gonna tell
you something, brother. I didn't know where this interview gonna go,
but man, you're doing some good work.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Man.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I met this brother in the parking lot and on
the campus of University Houston. He said, I want to
do your show, mister McDonald, I said, brother, and I was.
I was emailing. I had confirmed them and everybody, but
he is an O in his email address, and I
didn't know I needed to put that O at the
end of his email address. And I had confirmed him
a long time ago. And then when he were I'm
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responding back, I blew him off, blew him off. I said,
what the heck, I'm trying to book this dude. Okay
and uh, and then I realized I made the mistake.
I made the mistake, and he I finally got it
to him. We got everything on and he's here to
tell the story. How can people get in touch with you,
my brother before we wrap up this call?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yes, sir, people, you're gonna touch me on our website
which is just free j U F F R E
E dot com. They can call the work number on
the on the website with just seven one three three
oh six nine six two zero. They can find me
on Instagram. They can find me on Facebook, Dominique Lennard.
And that's how to get a hold of me.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yes, sir, you know soth brother, I'm gonna stay in
touch with you.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Man.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
It's some it's some bigger places for you in life.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Brother.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
All right, this show is interesting for me, man, This
show is interesting to me.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Man.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
I keep committing. Every story gets better, every story gets stronger.
I just know that that my brother's doing good. He
came out with attitude, came out with and know it all.
Made a couple of moments to tell you that DOMINIGGI
wasn't he wasn't as poured in as you, but he is.
He's gotten his life right, and I'm very happy for
him because everybody deserves a second chance. Everybody deserves an
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opportunity to say I was wrong, because that's what that
has to be. One of the most shameful moments you
brought in your life personally and one of the most
shameful moments you brought on your family. As we close
out this show, what do you want to say to
the general public about you as a man and then
your program Just Free?
Speaker 1 (23:30):
What I want to say is, first of all, is
that me going through what I went through, I had
to stay strong. I had to pay my way through it.
I had to turn back from my old ways to
my new ways. And I would say to anybody who's
going through anything, there's people right around us who are
living witnesses that you can overcome. You will get through
it some way, somehow. Just keep living. Because if I
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said there was a life sentence and now I'm free,
able to live life, you can't tell me God ain't good.
And as far as the program, we make sure we
humanize every person in Coursebord who's dehumanized with a custom
parole package Just Free dot Com wow, thank you for
having me as Well's blessing.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
You had that number one more time there, Dominique.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Okay, yes, sir, yes, sir. The phone number seven one
three three h six nine six to zero. Website just
free dot com, jus free dot com.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
He man, I appreciate you, brother, I really really do.
And continue winning as I always tell people who call
in on this show, and we'll talk. So okay, thank
you for calling in on Money Making Conversation Masterclass.
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Hey man, bye bye bye bye.
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just Free. That's jus Free, a parole packaged provider that
educates inmates who are unaware of what is presented about
them to the Board of Pardons and Parole. Ali Please
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welcome to Money Making Conversation Masterclass.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Dominique Leonard. How are you doing, Dominique?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I'm doing good. How you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Thank you for having me appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I met you and at a black man's wellness event
in Houston, Texas.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Correct, yes, okay, cool?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
And while we there, we was there because my wife's
company was there for the work illness and awful to
get our own little stuff done and our procedures done,
and also to support, you know, to support the community
and come out and see what was going on as well.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Right right, and that's when we met.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
We connected and he said, hey, uh, you started telling
me about his program just Just Free. Now, how did
Just Free start? Because obviously you know it's tied to
people who are who are being incarcerated. Are incarcerated? Have
you been incarcerated? Dominique Lennon, Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Sir, so, I was incarcerated and that's Howffrey was born
through mynd incarceration. I was actually given a life sentence
do min incarceration and we actually hired little help.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Hold on, holdo, I'm dominating now. You know life centence?
Now you just blue pass that.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Man, somebody gonna tell you you're gonna go to jail
for life, and you act like that was a comma
in the sentence. Okay, now, somebody tell me now now,
because there's certain moments in my life that things have
happened to me, and everything moves in slow motion when
I hear and I told when I when somebody told me,
when the doctor told me I had he had diagnosed
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me with cancer, my life slowed.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Man.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I was like, wow, did he say cancer? And I
kept repeating that word to myself and so so in
a court. You was standing there and they said you
going to jail for life?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yes? Yeah, So the jury stood there and told me
I'd be going to prison for life. And actually you
said that. It was like a slow motion, non surreal moment.
It was like a heart of body experience. And I'm
standing there like, okay, they just say life. Am I
going to prison for life? And at the time I
didn't understand what life meant. So again, through that process
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of prison, it's worth just free was created.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Okay, cool, let's let's let's just the people. So you know,
you know, when people hear the word life, they feel,
you know, if something super do you did something super super? Well,
I'm tell youing going to jail and somebody arresting you.
You've done something wrong. Let's admit that what exactly did
you do? They put you in a position to receive
this sentence.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I had a non aggravated robbery charge and that was
my That was my charge. It was walking into a
bank with a note. I only took it to trial
because they were trying to put more cases on me
that had nothing to do with me. But it matched
the same mo and that goes with any kind of
time you get any kind of crime that's uh, you know,
for any kind of violent crime or crime that that
had a certain mo and it's unsolved, They're gonna try
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to put them all on you. And so I wanted
to trial, but they would offer me seven years if
I didn't go to trial. Uh, but I petitioned the
court to go to charge to pipe these charges.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Okay, Now, so you went in a bank with a note,
gave it to a teller, Yes, sir, Taelor gave you money,
and you walked out.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Well, yes, sir, you got away, Yes, sir, how long
did you get?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Well?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
You are free? And how did you get caught?
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I was?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I was. I was free for about seven eight months.
I got turned in by my cousin for me and
over a dispute that we had over money, and he
called the two too tip line they have in Houston, Texas,
and that's how they put me over. That's how I
got put in custody.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Crab in the bar, grabs in the barray cool. So
that's that's you're done wrong. You got caught.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Now you're in jail and they they put all these
these cases on you. You tried to fight it and
you still went to jail anyway, and then your how
did you find out that there was a loop, that
there are different versions of a life sentence?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
How did you get educated about that?
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Well, it was actually when I was in corossbrated. I
had made a phone call home to my cousin and
he was like, hey, bro, not the cousin, not that girl. Right, No,
I haven't seen that business. I've been free. But I
called home to my cousin. He said, hey, man, you
have a life insurance, but you have to do five
and a half six years where you come up a parole.
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So you have a non aggravated licensest. Non aggravated lescens
mean that when nobody touch somebody got hurt with the
weapon involved. If I had an aggravated life sentence mean
somebody got hurt, it was a weapon involved or something
to that caliber. So it was a non aggravated life entese.
And so I knew I had to do five and
a half six years before I see parole. So in
that process, that's when my family hired a parole attorney
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at the time, while I'm doing my time to help
me get home on my phone and yes, sir, And
so that didn't happen. So my first part, after doing
six and a half years, I came up a parole.
Then I got denied my parole, and so at that
point I called home to my mom, spoke to her,
We got ahold of my dad, and he did me
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a hardship or harshpit where they get you moved closer
to home if the family can't travel so far to
see you. So I got a hardship to get me
closer to home. And in that hardship I got closer
to home. And the whole time walking incarcerated, God was
stead of elevating my life. Even in the walls of
prison I was. I didn't get any trouble, I didn't
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have any fights. I mean, like again, I was protected
by God and doing the whole process. But in this transfer,
it's when I told my family, hey, listen, I'm not
sure what the parole attorney did on my behalf, but
I think I know what parole wants to see because
before my incarceration in Houston, I was known as a
celebrity warder. I have a lot of clientele that I
was cutting and traveling with doing this process, and I
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don't think parole knew what that is who I was.
They get new to tate him. It's a black guy
committed the crime. He's all over the place. Oh my god.
But so I want to put a faith and I
want to put life to my pro package. So I
had my family to fire my parole attorney and fire
her whole team. And they thought I was crazy about it. Mind,
just like you pray, I pray, and I feel I
have a vision of what they want to see. Right. Together,
(07:05):
we worked together, we worked, and so.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
You became your own jail house lawyer.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yes sir, Yes, sir. And then you know what that
is a good saying because the likely what happens. A
lot of guys get in there, They learn cases, they
learn things and start fighting for yourself because every person
incarcerated only wants one thing that to be free.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Right, How does that work? How did that work?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
You know?
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Because it's gonna be real here. You know you are free.
You didn't want to open a book.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
You know, you wanted to get to go through the
easy while you walked in the bank and gave somebody
a note and walk out with somebody else's money. Now
you're in jail, you know you found God because your
faith is strong in jail, correct, and then it is
strong because guess what you pray mean? Prayer mean something
to you in jail. I know because I had a
younger brother who was in jail.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
And so.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Now were there other people who mentored if you through
this process and told you this is how you should
do it, if you're going to try to find legal
ways to get yourself out of prison, the legal ways
to understand the parole system. Who was mentoring you while
you were in prison before before you launched overall business
(08:17):
called just Free, which is what you're doing now that you're.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Out of prison.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Well, honestly, nobody mentored me doing this process. And I
believe that a lot of people get incarcerated. Some of
them make bad decisions and that don't make them a
bad person. I made a bad decision right to make
me a bad person. I always had God in my life.
I just to turn back around to look at my
God again while I was in prison, because you know,
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I mean a lot of people get raised with God
in their life in praying, praying mothers, prand grandmothers, whatever,
you know, even prand fathers. One of them people again,
I just started to go my own way and I
went to foolish with so everything I gained the right way,
I lost the wrong way by that one bad decision.
Because everything I literally had, from moathershop to the cards,
whatever how I was living, really it was legit. I
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lived right. I made that one bad decision to go
into the bank, and now we created the whole downfall.
So while I'm in prison, now, I just made a
whole u turn to who Dominique really is and who
I am as a person, because I went in again.
I went in at thirty four, so I didn't go
in young foolish. I went in as a grown man
who had responsibility before. So I took my mind that
(09:26):
I was already working with I hate and me can
sit down, blow down, Let's think about what you want
to do. Because you got this parole attorney. I can't
see what they're doing for me. So that's why we
let them go. And that's why I started creating my
own prow practice because again I just I prayed about it,
and I just had this feeling that hey, parole don't
know who I am, and because in this prison we
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are dehumanized, and so I had to humanize myself within
the walls of prison. And that's how Just Free got created.
And I just kind of start petitioning things, putting things together.
My family called up some friends, getting pictures done, getting
stuff done to create this package. And once they got formatted,
I sent them home. My family make copy, sent them
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all back to me. I sent them off to the
pro board. So after my two year set off, I've
seen parole again. This time I came prepared because now
I got my parole package, and I made a promise
to God. I said, God, if you give me a chance,
if you get me out this, I promised, when I
get home, I create Just Free. And I petitioned the
court with my actually parole board with my parole package.
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It was March twenty sixteen, and made the other sixteen.
The pro board called my mom said they wanted to
come see me in person, which don't happen because after
twenty years to see somebody from parole only did seven
and a half years. By this time almost eight and
so actually the pro boy came to see me in person.
I seen parole in March. They call my mom around May.
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They didn't come see me until almost the end of
October twenty sixteen. So I'm waiting almost six seven eight
months for an answer. I'm I'll go home or not.
But they told my mom that wasn't gonna make an
answer to the see me in person. But when they
came to see me in person, that changed the whole dynamic.
The first thing the parole board told me his name
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is Tony Garcia. He said, I've been doing this a
very long time. The time you have with your crime
don't match, is overkill, he said, he said, but once
you get home, what are you gonna do with this time?
Before I can't even answer, I already heard what he said.
He said, once you get home, what are you gonna
do with this time? Over your head? So I'm crying
(11:36):
now like a baby because he let me know he's
gonna release me. I've been walking straight up. My officer
wym out of the trustee kept I haven't been in
no trouble because everybody who gets incarcerated, you have to
walk your own walk in prison. You can't walk next
to the next man because see what's gonna happen. The
next man's gonna go home, You're still gonna be there.
He can't really have homeboys up in prison as you can,
but you have to walk your own walk. I walked
(11:57):
my walk the whole time while I was in prison.
That makes me a big bad man. And I just
had my eyes on I know I'm going home one day.
I know I have to live life after this life.
And and so he granted me parole. I got an
if I want. If I won, means you leave within
thirty days of that answer. So he granted me the
highest parole. You can get what the f I want.
(12:17):
And so on top of that, I've also was given
the lowest levels of provision, which means that I report
every three to six months first of having to go
every two weeks. I'm a monetary. Yeah, so I even
had the lowest levels of provision. And so again that's
how I just freed got created.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Wow, you know, thank you for this honest conversation. Yeah,
allow me to interrupt to share statements because I want
to make sure that you're an entrepreneur. Now you know
you made a mistake. And I tell everybody I made mistakes,
and I know I remember when I was in college.
Before we go to break, I'm just tell everybody this
little store that couldn't put me in jail. I remember
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my fraternity, the brothers had sent me out and toil.
We don't come back unless I had some plants. I
didn't have no money. They say, we want you come
back in this house without some plants. We're gonna you're
gonna find out something by pledging that you don't want
to find out. And I always remember it was it was.
It was in Houston, and it was on a bare
left freeway, you know, bare laff freeway, you know what
(13:18):
I'm talking about, And bare left Freeway is like one
of those really white neighborhoods, really white neighborhoods, and they
had this, they had this like a florid like like
a garden center, and I had to park my car
and you could and I had to go like I
got some plants. And I kid you not, somebody could
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have just been driving along the freeway saw me getting
these plants. Because my big brothers told me, if I
don't come back with these plants, you're gonna you're gonna
be in trouble. And my whole life could have been
changed because of that silly moment, that silly moment of
of of doing that. And so we all have moments
that we can think about and and that was a
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regretful moment. That's why I'm sharing it with I'm not
proud of that moment because I want to share with
everyone to understands that Raseean McDonald did something stupid in
his life. He didn't get caught, but that doesn't mean
it wasn't stupid.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
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Speaker 2 (14:41):
Just Free is a parole package provider that educates inmates
who are unaware of what is presented to them to
the Board of Pardons and Parole. I apologize for those
for those errors in my speech, and my guest is
Dominique Leonard. Dominique chair's his stories, journ and how this
whole concept. While he was incarcerated, Just Free became a
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business model for him. He relied on his faith and
his family and he became a jail host lawyer and
working on that, he was able to fire all this
legal team, fired his legal team, and relied on himself
and his family, and he achieved parole because he was
given a life sentence. Now the transition. I'm gonna tell you.
(15:27):
When my brother, my little brother, got out of jail,
he was anno it all. Couldn't tell him nothing, couldn't
tell him nothing, even though he was in jail, you know,
kept money on the books. He got out, I couldn't
tell him nothing. Now when you got out of jail, sir,
well you know what all?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Well, you a know it all.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Couldn't nobody tell you nothing?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Dominque. No, No, actually I wasn't. I wasn't a know
it all. I wasn't a very humble place for I
got a Christian. I was very humble. I was very
unfincere about life. I was listening, I was. I was
willing to take any job that was going to hire me.
So I actually, when I got home, say how humble
I was. I knew I was hungry for life. I
had kids I had to feed. I still had to
live my life. And so I started taking a little
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jobs at warehouse that was paying eight dollars an hour,
nine dots an hour. But it wasn't the amount that
that mattered to me. What mattered to me was just
get myself back back acquainted again with life and society,
getting back into the working mode, working working style, to
the working hustle. And so you know, I mean, so
those jobs paid eight dollars an hour and I got
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paid every single week. For me, that was enough just
to get something in the gas can, get to put
something on the table. Let's give my kids. He got
twenty bucks, he got thirty bus whatever it may be,
if they need some shoes, whatever. Because I knew it
wasn't going to be my end or that was my start,
but it was going to be my end. And so
I came home very humble.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Now that's great to hear. And because you had a
goal and the fact that you were focused. Now, how
did you start putting just free implement that? How did
you start making a business model for you? And did
you sit down? Did you go to SBA, did you
go to score? How did you start realizing this can
be a company and how did that become?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
So?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
How did you implement the steps? Implement the steps?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Well, this is what happened when I got home, When
I got home. I had a vision to so I
write my plays. So I was writing my player as
I was doing theater, and that was going actually really well,
and it was opening some doors for me. And my
mom kept telling me, son, until you give back and
give your testimony and give what you've been through and
give how God released you. As wasn't great, doors are
(17:23):
open for you. And it was probably about maybe six
seven months have to be in home. I sat down,
I went back to my folder again. I seen my
spress of God. Now it's time to launch this just free.
I didn't. I didn't take any kind of classes, but
I did kind of like study certain things that I
that I've seen while I was in prison. I went
back and revisited that, some of the packages, some things
(17:45):
I may have seen. I revisited that. But again I
stuck with the same plan that got me free because
I couldn't change it because it worked. And it's like
why change something that works? And so I went on
my own m O. And now I did take a
para legal course. I took a para legal course. I
did do that, you know, just to get more knowledge
on the legal side of things and get more knowledge
on the parole side and the laws and when they
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change and stuff like that. So that helped me some
as well. But as far as the parole package, that
was solely from what God gave me. You know it
was it was. It was twenty five percent a parole
plan and seventy five percent faith right right.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Right right right now. Let me ask you this, how
did you get your customers? How did you get your clients?
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Great question? What I did is that I went on
the TDC website and I would just look for guys
on TDC websites who had a parole coming up where
there was two years away, three years away. Three years
is a pretty good time. And I would send them
a package and I would send them a courveror sheet
of just Free, and I would send them an intro
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what we do for just free, and I will send
it in because I knew if I can contact the inmates,
all them, what one thing just to be free? Right,
So I knew if I can contact them, they will
get it home to their families. So that's how it
initially started off. I will contact all the inmates of
them as many image as I can, and my family
poured in and start blessing me with stamps and start
(19:13):
blessing me with envelopes and stuff like that to get
the letters in there. So so everybody kind of poured
the feed into me to get that going. And then
then before I know it, family started calling me. Okay,
then when family started calling me, we started creating paro practices.
If we start creating more pro practice, more propractics, and
then thenfore I know it, these guys are coming home
on parole, coming home on parro, coming home on paro,
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and right now today we're eighty two percent, you know,
on a success play of bringing guys home on parole.
And even if they don't make their first parole, we
stick with them until they get home. And most of
the time they're making the second parro is coming home
on programs, are coming straight home. So I'm going to
come home on monitors. But it's all according to their case.
You know, I'm just I'm out of controller, but they
have to come home on I'm just in controllers. Try
to get them free back into society right.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Now, imagine it. This, This is really impressive. Thank you
for sharing your story.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Because you know, it's just an idea, man, you know,
and somehow I don't know, brother, if you don't go
to jail, there's no just free. If you don't go
to jail, there's not a lot of people out of
jail because you've shown them the pathway of doing it right,
so it can stay out. And so I can't say
what is happening to you is is a bad thing
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because it was a bad thing and you did a
bad thing. But man, the fact that you've created this business,
how do you feel? How do the people your family
feels about what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
My family feels this is it. They feel like, hey,
you stay right here in this lane. This is it.
How I feel about it. For me, every time I
get a phone call, every time I hear about somebody
being incarcerated, whether they become a client or not, just
to get the phone call, it's a humble situation that
reminds me of where I was and where I don't
want to go back to. That keeps me free, and
that keeps me humble, That keeps me in my place
(20:56):
as a man and a father of the husband, you know,
as a person or the brother. So for me, it's
great to have this, sercha. But I think the greatest
thing about it it was just helping other families who
go through and who deal with it, because my mom
dealt with it. She tried her tell a life, trying
to get us free and so so to hear other
mother's crime and want their son's home and stuff like that.
(21:19):
I have more of a solid foundation because I've been
through it. We've been through it. So now this whole
networking system that we have on a team, we all
work together to make sure we get the best of
success great as possible.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Dominique Leonard just free. Hey, Dominique, Man, I'm gonna tell
you something, brother. I didn't know where this interview gonna go,
but man, you're doing some good work.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Man.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I met this brother in the parking lot and on
the campus of University Houston. He said, I want to
do your show, mister McDonald, I said, brother, and I was.
I was emailing. I had confirmed them and everybody, but
he is an O in his email address, and I
didn't know I needed to put that O at the
end of his email address. And I had confirmed him
a long time ago. And then when he were I'm
(22:00):
responding back, I blew him off, blew him off. I said,
what the heck, I'm trying to book this dude. Okay
and uh, and then I realized I made the mistake.
I made the mistake, and he I finally got it
to him. We got everything on and he's here to
tell the story. How can people get in touch with you,
my brother before we wrap up this call?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yes, sir, people, you're gonna touch me on our website
which is just free j U F F R E
E dot com. They can call the work number on
the on the website with just seven one three three
oh six nine six two zero. They can find me
on Instagram. They can find me on Facebook, Dominique Lennard.
And that's how to get a hold of me.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yes, sir, you know soth brother, I'm gonna stay in
touch with you.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Man.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
It's some it's some bigger places for you in life.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Brother.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
All right, this show is interesting for me, man, This
show is interesting to me.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Man.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
I keep committing. Every story gets better, every story gets stronger.
I just know that that my brother's doing good. He
came out with attitude, came out with and know it all.
Made a couple of moments to tell you that DOMINIGGI
wasn't he wasn't as poured in as you, but he is.
He's gotten his life right, and I'm very happy for
him because everybody deserves a second chance. Everybody deserves an
(23:10):
opportunity to say I was wrong, because that's what that
has to be. One of the most shameful moments you
brought in your life personally and one of the most
shameful moments you brought on your family. As we close
out this show, what do you want to say to
the general public about you as a man and then
your program Just Free?
Speaker 1 (23:30):
What I want to say is, first of all, is
that me going through what I went through, I had
to stay strong. I had to pay my way through it.
I had to turn back from my old ways to
my new ways. And I would say to anybody who's
going through anything, there's people right around us who are
living witnesses that you can overcome. You will get through
it some way, somehow. Just keep living. Because if I
(23:51):
said there was a life sentence and now I'm free,
able to live life, you can't tell me God ain't good.
And as far as the program, we make sure we
humanize every person in Coursebord who's dehumanized with a custom
parole package Just Free dot Com wow, thank you for
having me as Well's blessing.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
You had that number one more time there, Dominique.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Okay, yes, sir, yes, sir. The phone number seven one
three three h six nine six to zero. Website just
free dot com, jus free dot com.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
He man, I appreciate you, brother, I really really do.
And continue winning as I always tell people who call
in on this show, and we'll talk. So okay, thank
you for calling in on Money Making Conversation Masterclass.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Hey man, bye bye bye bye.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
This has been another edition of Money Making Conversation Masterclass
hosted by me Rashaun McDonald. Thank you to our guests
on the show today and thank you o listening to
audience now. If you want to listen to any episode
I want to be a guest on the show, visit
Moneymaking Conversations dot com. Our social media handle is money
Making Conversation. Join us next week and remember to always
(25:00):
leave with your gifts.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Keep winning. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Mm hmmm
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Mmm
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