Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Tracy and Sunshine Gantt.
A husband-and-wife team who founded the first and only homeless shelter in Pickens County, South Carolina. Here are some key highlights and themes from the conversation:
Thanks for sharing the script! This episode of Money Making Conversations Masterclass features a powerful and heartfelt interview with Tracy and Sunshine, a husband-and-wife team who founded the first and only homeless shelter in Pickens County, South Carolina. Here are some key highlights and themes from the conversation:
🌟 Key Themes and Highlights
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Faith and Redemption
- Tracy shares a deeply personal journey from a troubled past involving street life, incarceration, and violence to becoming a pastor and community leader.
- Sunshine also opens up about her own struggles, including a period of homelessness, and how faith and resilience brought them back together.
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Founding the Shelter
- Despite numerous obstacles—including zoning issues, lack of funding, and health challenges—they transformed a 6,000 sq. ft. warehouse into a fully operational homeless shelter.
- The shelter now serves 50–60 individuals daily, offering meals, shelter, and care at no cost.
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Community and Recognition
- Their work has been recognized with local and national honors, including the Presidential Lifetime Achievement Award.
- They emphasize the importance of community support, with contributions from businesses like Home Depot and local churches.
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Humor and Humanity
- The interview is filled with warmth, humor, and authenticity, making their story not only inspiring but also deeply human and relatable.
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Call to Action and Support
- Host Rushion McDonald pledges a $1,000 donation and promises to visit and bake for the shelter residents, reinforcing the show's mission to uplift and support changemakers.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Now let's get your show started. My guess is two
of them, husband and wife tandem got two of them
found it the first and only homeless shelter in Pickens County,
South Carolina. Their Black Leg nonprofit that serves fifty to
sixty individuals daily with shelter meals and the Central Care,
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all free of charge. Their journey of faith, resilience, and
service has been recognized by local and state leaders and
honored both of them with the Presidential Lifetime Achievement Award.
Let's hear their inspirational story and how their faith and
hard work is changing lives. Please welcome to Money Making
Conversation Masterclass Tracy and Sunshine Gan. How you doing, Dean
(01:51):
the Friends. I'm award winning baker. Okay, I'm a ward
winning baker. This is what I'm gonna do. I've done
this a long time, y'all tell me a day. I'm
gonna come down there and I'm I'm gonna bring some
of my desserts. I'm talking about. I'm talking about the
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pineapp upside down cake. I'm talking about Jeremy Cockley cake.
I'm talking about I'm talking about peach cobbler I'm talking
about I'm gonna see y'all pictures too. When I ain't
see y'all picture. Let y'all know this is what I do. Okay,
this is what I do. Because when I saw this,
because I did it for a foundation, a shelter in Mississippi,
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they asked me like, hey, I shocked, shock flew down there,
baked it all in their kitchen, which I might do down
there for y'all might just come down there and bake
it all at your kitchen and it's all. It's all.
It'd be easy for me to do it that way too.
But I'll tell you this. Before the summer's out, y'all
will see my face and I'll be coming down to
Pickings County, South Carolina, and I will feed those fifty
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to sixty people. Now after I leave, they gonna be
mad because they ain't don't get it no more.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Every day.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
But then but then I would do that put because
when you do, when you do guard to work and
do blessing it because I do a lot of work.
You're doing with the homeless experience is not east. It's
like ease. It's almost seems like a montent. You can't climb. Said,
it's a mon you can't climb because you you We
want them to see the opportunity, but they don't see it.
(03:27):
But that's my version of it. Talk about let's talk
about it started with you, Sunshine, How you get in
this business? And how did you meet this handsome guy
with this Michael Jordan cap home his name Tracy.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
We met as teenagers.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
So we Yeah, we've been together a long time, but
our for stories started out kind of rocket We got
married young. I was eighteen in two weeks before I
was about to turn nineteen.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
He was twenty when we got married.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
A couple of years of our marriage was really rocky
up up, splitting up, and we were separated for eight years.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Wow, that's not a split job, which y'all separated. Now
let's get to you Tracy before I start. Tracy, you
got Michael Jordan that can you play basketball?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Brother?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I asked you.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
See that's the main part of the store. See, all
my life it was all about basketball. You know. I
ain't my playing for just to go to the pros,
go college and go for I can't played against Kevin
going there. That's one of my allights of my life today.
But down here that's it wasn't no studying, no books,
(04:38):
it wasn't nothing. My focus was on basketball. So my
twelfth grade year I banged my New York and basketball
wasn't in the picture no more. But since I spent
all them years focused on basketball, I had nothing to
fall up from. Fall back home to the streets. All
I knew the streets, so things things had gotten bad,
(05:01):
and I knew she was the one because first I
met her doing like a shootout. It was a shootout.
I lost my gold calfs. I woke back go fare
my gold caps, and y'all seen Sunshine walking up the
street and it was like love at first sight.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
They need to stop. This man just said it was
a shootout. He lost his gold cap. Then he said,
Sunshine just calmly walking up the street. See, wow, this
story ain't add up now either that there is a
file of the neighbor yours y'all in and see don't
my ducking bullet. Because i'ma let, y'all know, sometime as
(05:37):
an attractive warmer, I'm gonna tell me all right now,
so some times just walking down the street, bullet everywhere
looking gold cap.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah it was day after.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I don't I don't care. Day after I don't even
go down that street for a more man.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Thing. I didn't see her first. It was all first
he did, like you can'tnot would be cod block and
going on.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Right right, right right.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
But yeah, I knew she was the one.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Right, So let's get your story straight because Racheane got
out of her line because it was the next day
Sunstyne was walking down the street. But the way you
told that story, though, Tray, it's all like, man, I
lost my good cap sometimes sometimes walking down the street
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sliding fast bullets that worked for me, bullet proof, That's
what I thought. Continue, Tracy, you too much.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Book, so you know you dave for a while. And
this I knew what she was doing. One like me
and my homeboy got into it with somebody and we all,
I think, I thought we almost killed the dude. So
we was on a rug from the police and the
other dudes, and I th Sunshine and she came and
schooled me up and took in the country. So but
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I knew she was down for it.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Or i'ma just educate y'all. Now, See, this is our country,
he is see taking county is the country. So I
don't know what part of the country she went that
he calls the country, but I can assure you it
gets real dark that night. I'm from the country. I
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know what country looks like. You got our houses, you
got a little thing next to the bed. That's what
he talked about country. I know he talked about y'all.
I think I got to educate my people because they
ain't never had no country people like y'all on my
call before now. But but we having fun here because
of the fact that that's what you have to have
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to uplift people. You have to have a sense of
humor because there's so much darkness in what y'all do. Now,
what motivated need your son Shine as well as Tracy
to pursue this path because I see homeless people all
the time.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Well, one thing that I didn't mention earlier while we
were separated, there was a short time frame where I
was on was and but luckily I had my brother
that I could go with and you know Tim probably
for about a year until I got back on my feet.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Then I moved down with my mother and then it
ended up getting you know, my own place back. So
that's pretty much my touch on you know, being connected
with homelessness. Now, his story is not deeper as far
as homes is involved.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
We moved out and I'm sir and moved down saying
I'm doing good. I had got a good job. We
was doing good. God bless us with the brand new
try to look. We were doing well for ourself. And
then my nephew got murdered. H that they was they
were trying to get I think they were trying to
get me. But since I moved the way that got
my nephew, it's something in me snapped. And when it snapped,
(09:05):
I went back to the streets and something. The first
time I got my job broke and my wife next
time something happened like that. I'm gone. Well about a
couple months to out. A year later, I trying to
got shot up. And that's when Sunshine she left the
good for a while. But all y'all men know, man,
(09:26):
when that woman leave, boy, he everything falls apart. Mean,
I'm gonna jump all the way to the park. I
was gonna run from the police. I was facing twenty
five to life. That would make me homeless. When you man,
when I was out there doing my thing, I would
help a lot of people, and I had a homeboy.
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But when you're on the runner, you find out who
really is your friends? You really know who got your back?
And I was walking for eight years, running from the police,
and then one night of the guy that said, man,
turn yourself in in so police station turned myself fam
I went to prison, I got up and I went
I went to a homeless sheep. I went there for
(10:11):
two years and it taught me how to turn my
life of man instead of being the street person. Turned
my life towards did about two weeks for it was
a two year, two year program. And back to the end,
I started reaching out for Sunshine. I ain't talked to
him eight years, so I couldn't find her. So about
two weeks before graduation, she called me and I'm like, man,
(10:33):
as long as you don't live in Piggings County, man,
we can get back together. But she lived right through
Piggins County. She go nowhere, going nowhere.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Now?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
So then, uh, yeah, I am. I know. God, God
gave me a vision while I was in prison. He's
gonna use what I went through to help other people.
But he didn't give me no instruction. So we came
back to Piggins County. We opened up a couple of
thriller stores. Uh, but nobody wouldn't like this because of
my background. Nobody church me likes me to preach, but
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nobody told me to. This man came to our stove
and he brought me in. When we went to his
church with four people, me, my wife, his wife, him,
oh and as our child was there. He groomed me
for about two years and then he passed away and
gave us the church. When he gave us the church,
(11:28):
my first first two sermons, we had this homeless people
coming to our shelf. It was like during the cold season,
and we rode around pilled. This had on waiting. No
homeman shepherd know what. So we allowed them to stay
inside of the church. Well we churches. Oh, I'm from
my old Catholic church, so we have no sprinkleous system.
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So somebody told on us and they told us we
couldn't do it no more. So God say build it yourself.
But this time, you know how hard it is for
a convid to get a job. I found and all
the tree mail I would and God told me to
quit and I didn't. I ended up getting robbed and
the next day so I said, I'm I'm with God
on the way. And that's just part of the story.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Now that's now, that's the word is said. That's a
hell of a story. At this part of the sty
you need to stop. I'm told, glad, I'm telling something. Man,
I'm told glad, I ain't rob. Y'all be laughing. So
if I was around y'all in fact, when I come
down there, be ready to laugh. Be ready to laugh,
(12:33):
because you not. I am coming down there and I
am going to bait. I am going to personally serve
my desserts to your crew.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Huh. We would love to have you.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Well, it's just you're just you just to take a
gas away. So like I like, I'm stressing myself out
and like I'm driving to California. Okay, then I have
to think about it. Then I don't know. I'll see
y'all think. But with this story that you tell, I
won't get to you. Trace a lot of violence, man,
a lot of violence, and you lose a relative, but
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you still got this personality of uplift and positivity. How
have you not allowed those setbacks stop you from being
the person you are today?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
God shows me every day where he did it for me.
He showed me love is grace and his mercy. One
set one. If you don't understand my angle, meticy came out.
I was in prison, okay, and I mean years when
you're in person. I mean years when you're in prison.
Two years. They dropped mostly all of the charges because
I turned myself in here, but I was in probation
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while I was doing it. My roommate had nine hundred
and ninety nine years.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Straight did jail two years. Man across from here in
damn there a thousand years because I know you didn't
tell that man you was in there for two years.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
No said wait for me, go to church, to church
every day, go to school day, so I ain't see.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Everyone, do man, Please don't go anywhere.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
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Speaker 1 (14:29):
There was something you saying interesting to me about the
church and you was bringing you bring homeless people in
the church, and they say that was against the rule.
Explain that to me, because I thought that's what the church.
Purpose of the church was to share the dity.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
We different, We were every different. We can't got this couple.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Then right and.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Downstairs we had a kitchen area, and you know what
I'm saying stuff like that. So we let them all,
allowed them to stay down there, and we started getting
back on their feet too. You know, they got their call,
they got a nice job, they got a call, they
were going through the process, and then somebody heard about
it and reported it because we because the church wasn't
built for that, and we don't have sprinkler system. Yeah
(15:16):
you know one of.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Those sprinkler systems in our church doesn't have that.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Okay, okay, cool, So it's like basically co violations.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, then were found in the building, and then where
the building was that they said they ain't want that
kind of activity in their neighborhoods when they took that
building from But then we were found it blessed.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
For one right, so there there, there's really good because
I'd like to break down because people hearing certain things
that make stereotype, but really y'all are doing a good deed.
But y'all violating codes right right. We didn't know, Yeah
we did. Yeah, now you you you know, they can't
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be everywhere because everybody don't want a shelter. Okay, you
can't just open the shelter over here. People go. Those
type people we don't want near our business or near
our homes. So let's go through the process of finding
the shelter, getting the shelter approve, and then gathering funds
to keep it open. Let's let's find that shelter first, Sunshine.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
So, like my husband said, the first building that we
got is exactly what you just described. It was in
the neighborhood and people heard about.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
It and they were like, no, we don't want to
shelter in our neighborhood. We were still searching for another building.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
We had a family friend come to us and he
owned a lot of properties, and so he said, you know,
I think I got a building that would.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Worked good, you know, for a home to shelter for y'all.
So we went and looked at it, and that building
at a lot of work. It was really big.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
It was about six thousand square feet upstairs I like
a square feet, but it was completely it did It
was like just a big open warehouse space, no.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Walls, no flooring, no ceiling anything. It needed a lot
of work.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
So we were sitting there thinking, how in the world
are we going to get this building, you know, up
to code, to become my own shelter.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
So I started reaching out to people. That's one thing
I do.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I stay on the grind reaching out, and especially once
my husband told me his vision on what he wanted
to do as far as opening his shelter.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
So I was contacting companies contract during his CEOs and.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Telling them, you know what our plans are and that
we got this building that needs a lot of work.
Before I knew it, the project took off. We had
all the companies pouring into us. Loddules came in and
started building walls on one side. Home depot came in,
started pouring in money, churches catting together and started putting
down flooring, ceiling, and it took two years to get done.
(17:56):
But before we knew it, we did it.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
To build a new house take about six months to
a year. Now, Okay, so do y'all did the Wow
house two years? Yeah, that's pretty quick.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
That's pretty quick with no funding.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
We ain't with no fun and reduced the fighting too,
hold off fighting because nobody they painted the picture is
they didn't have a problem. Yeah. Yes, And so we
had to go up for getting a lot of people.
But when we finally got the word to open the
pandemic that same day.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
It took us two years.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
It did pandemic come along.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
It was a Friday. We got our certificate of occupancy
to open.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
At least you got that for God was good to
give you that. Now if the pandemic going to hit
me and you didn't get your certificate even in the
summer time, for you looking around for a certificate.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
But the people don't get twisted. We're not a big corporation, right.
So when we was building a ship, it was me
and with a wife doing the tricks the loaders, get
the pipes to get the floor on the the it
was me and because Dean Blessings with all a boss truck,
so everything that we did, it would just meet and
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my whiteman and it caused her to have a lot
of help problems.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Right right, Yeah, I've got congested part failure now.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Okay, so but how you what you're doing to that
is it is you're more sleep or you're taking pills
for that, sunshine.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I'm taking pills for it.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
I've actually hospitalized twice since twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah, but yeah, I'm on medication.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Okay, Well, we all will be down there to see you. Okay,
give you a hug because I'm good at that. Now,
I got six sisters. Now, so Jeorge, what I or
your wife? Don't be dunking on my head now, I
know you're you're you're being there shooting up even I
come back, I got shot out of Pickings counted. You
thought I was trying to play on your wife. I'm
just ugging though.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
That's all.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I brought tim Kinks down there. Come on now, tell
y'all watch Tracy. Yeah, to watch Tracy man. He be
waking over there, man rolling dice in the corner. Let's
talk about this award though, because you know, I've been
blessed to get a presidential lifetime ate the ward sitting off.
I've gotten two of them. At first, when I got
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my first one, I didn't I couldn't believe that somebody
nominated me won. And the second that I got it, okay,
I was like, oh got it for real, plustidential lifetime achievement.
The ward okay, sitting on my office on my wall.
Now we down there at Pinkins Pickings, Pickings County, South Carolina.
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You know, looking at your life, you know, YO came
together separated Tracy two years, and concertrated said across the
man with a thousand years. You know shootouts did the
wrong things? You more wrong thing you did right in
your early years. Yes, I can say that. I can
(21:14):
say that, and such show you're hung getting that way
it hormeless lifestyle. And now y'all gonna get the president.
Y'all got it. I'm not gonna get got it. Talk
about that journey such and then I want to hear
from country over there. I'm calling the country traits talk
to me such.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
It was kind of with our commendation letters, started like
with local government, started.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Like with our local mayors.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Then it went up to like our local governor and
some then the presidential lifetime achievement of war, and I'm like, wow, okay,
so yeah, I think we.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Really made it. But I don't know. It was just
it was it was shocking, I'll put it that way.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Well, it ain't shocking to me because you deserve it.
And that young man sitting right next to you, Tracy,
you know because you know, because Tracy know what, Because
a lot of things are expected of people, and then
when they fall off that track, then people don't expect
anything of them. You a man if a faith, hard work, Yes, sir,
(22:26):
and understand set back. Yes, you know you because in
some way you saw the lords of life because you
get behind the brow. I got a brother or that
a brother who was behind broad I know that. I
know that look across the other side when I know
that person has no rights, no more on that other side.
And you see that every day man at that homeless shelter,
(22:48):
fifty sixty people you're feeding on a daily base. How
do your inspirational lifestyle is told to them to keep
them going? Because you are a difference maker.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yes, yes, sir, uh I stay my testimony. I don't.
I'm not no ordinary pastor. I'm not like the other ones. Man,
I'm really down with the earth and I won't forget
I come from. I really don't. And I share my
story to show them that if I can make it,
they can make it too. It's not My pray is
(23:21):
about my walk. I walk the lift talking. Time's come
up and I know they're watching me. But get cussed up.
They're watching me, so I'm still messing bad. I gotta pray,
so I got I got to live by example because
my life. Man, people get allready talking but they live differently,
and you don't walk. If I'm gonna talk, it's talk.
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I'm gonna walk it. And I got to show them. Man,
no matter what you've been through in your life, God
could take you further in life if you just hold
let you do it, that you do it. I can't
forget where I came from. Right I'm about to do
something stupid. God will remind me of a cold.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Toilet, right right right, well, my brother and my sister,
I want to donate one thousand dollars, thank you, thousand dollars,
and I'm gonna tell you something right now. Such and
get that W nine to me today so I can
have my wife process it and we put that check
(24:20):
in the mail on Tuesday morning. Okay, thousand dollars to
your foundation. Just get that W nine to me today
and that that's gonna happen, and I'm gonna come down
there and I'm gonna bake for you, Trace. I'm not
gonna bay for Sunshine. I'm baked for you, Tracy. And
I think I'm just gonna I'm just gonna bring it
all already done. I'm gonna bring it. I would just
(24:41):
lay my back of my truck down, put it all
in the drive down there so we can unload it
all to y'all can see by work and we take
photos and all that good stuff that just want be
gonna dolection your part.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
We want to say thank you because we do not
charge our ready to stay there, right and I'm like
I said, I don't get paid to preach. All the
money go towards go towards the shelter, and we really
mean on got it and what you just did that
is from God. We really want to say thank you so.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Much, Thank you man, thank you, cause you know I
don't get by change on all my interviews. Okay, I
have to be inspired to Okay, I work after my money.
I'm just doing right now. Checks. Okay, A thousand dollars, Okay,
I can I buy some shoes, some clothes, get on
(25:34):
the trip, go to Miami. Okay, I work hard, but
I also know y'all work harder. Y'all changing lives and
so well, about thousand dollars gonna affect way more people
than myself. But more important than two things I promise
to you, and I can start one to day. I'm
gonna see you those photos of those little three little
the little bitty bottles. I'm gonna say that photo to y'all.
(25:57):
I gotta work to do it. I this call, got
right chicks, kind of got mail and eye it licks stamps.
I gotta do everything, y'all for people to work. I
don't know if I'm ever interview y'all again, yeap for
me to work. I gotta bake, I gotta write a
check out, I gotta mail stuff, I gotta take a photo.
That's a lot of work for this interview, y'all. But
(26:19):
thank y'all, Thank y'all for CONCERNTU, Thank thanks to such.
Thank you for contacting me, Tracy, thank you for allowing
me to meet you. Brother and y'all a beautiful couple
men and uh hey man, and you stay healthy, young lady,
you stay healthy and uh, but get that information to
me today. So I give my wife the process it
because I feel good about my life to be able
to position, to be any position to make this type
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of donation. And then I'm gonna come down there and
see you, Tracy.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
God, Yes, thank you.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
I just want to say thank you for taking the
time to interview us, thank you for even paying attention
to us. Because like you said, made from world Pickings County.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
And I'm always telling that people were listening when somebody
from the country said they living somebody else they know
living the country. That's the part of the country you
don't even want to go in. That's a part of
the counting. No idea where you going?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Okay, gps, don't one.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
They said, turn right at the tree, the big oak,
or the mailbox. If the cow is still standing there,
make a left. The old run down born, make a
left in that you come to the end of the road.
If you see a rock, make a left. I'll be
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standing there the road waving that. Shut your shaf I
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Now let's get your show started. My guess is two
of them, husband and wife tandem got two of them
found it the first and only homeless shelter in Pickens County,
South Carolina. Their Black Leg nonprofit that serves fifty to
sixty individuals daily with shelter meals and the Central Care,
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all free of charge. Their journey of faith, resilience, and
service has been recognized by local and state leaders and
honored both of them with the Presidential Lifetime Achievement Award.
Let's hear their inspirational story and how their faith and
hard work is changing lives. Please welcome to Money Making
Conversation Masterclass Tracy and Sunshine Gan. How you doing, Dean
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the Friends. I'm award winning baker. Okay, I'm a ward
winning baker. This is what I'm gonna do. I've done
this a long time, y'all tell me a day. I'm
gonna come down there and I'm I'm gonna bring some
of my desserts. I'm talking about. I'm talking about the
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pineapp upside down cake. I'm talking about Jeremy Cockley cake.
I'm talking about I'm talking about peach cobbler I'm talking
about I'm gonna see y'all pictures too. When I ain't
see y'all picture. Let y'all know this is what I do. Okay,
this is what I do. Because when I saw this,
because I did it for a foundation, a shelter in Mississippi,
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they asked me like, hey, I shocked, shock flew down there,
baked it all in their kitchen, which I might do down
there for y'all might just come down there and bake
it all at your kitchen and it's all. It's all.
It'd be easy for me to do it that way too.
But I'll tell you this. Before the summer's out, y'all
will see my face and I'll be coming down to
Pickings County, South Carolina, and I will feed those fifty
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to sixty people. Now after I leave, they gonna be
mad because they ain't don't get it no more.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Every day.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
But then but then I would do that put because
when you do, when you do guard to work and
do blessing it because I do a lot of work.
You're doing with the homeless experience is not east. It's
like ease. It's almost seems like a montent. You can't climb. Said,
it's a mon you can't climb because you you We
want them to see the opportunity, but they don't see it.
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But that's my version of it. Talk about let's talk
about it started with you, Sunshine, How you get in
this business? And how did you meet this handsome guy
with this Michael Jordan cap home his name Tracy.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
We met as teenagers.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
So we Yeah, we've been together a long time, but
our for stories started out kind of rocket We got
married young. I was eighteen in two weeks before I
was about to turn nineteen.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
He was twenty when we got married.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
A couple of years of our marriage was really rocky
up up, splitting up, and we were separated for eight years.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Wow, that's not a split job, which y'all separated. Now
let's get to you Tracy before I start. Tracy, you
got Michael Jordan that can you play basketball?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Brother?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I asked you.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
See that's the main part of the store. See, all
my life it was all about basketball. You know. I
ain't my playing for just to go to the pros,
go college and go for I can't played against Kevin
going there. That's one of my allights of my life today.
But down here that's it wasn't no studying, no books,
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it wasn't nothing. My focus was on basketball. So my
twelfth grade year I banged my New York and basketball
wasn't in the picture no more. But since I spent
all them years focused on basketball, I had nothing to
fall up from. Fall back home to the streets. All
I knew the streets, so things things had gotten bad,
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and I knew she was the one because first I
met her doing like a shootout. It was a shootout.
I lost my gold calfs. I woke back go fare
my gold caps, and y'all seen Sunshine walking up the
street and it was like love at first sight.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
They need to stop. This man just said it was
a shootout. He lost his gold cap. Then he said,
Sunshine just calmly walking up the street. See, wow, this
story ain't add up now either that there is a
file of the neighbor yours y'all in and see don't
my ducking bullet. Because i'ma let, y'all know, sometime as
(05:37):
an attractive warmer, I'm gonna tell me all right now,
so some times just walking down the street, bullet everywhere
looking gold cap.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah it was day after.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I don't I don't care. Day after I don't even
go down that street for a more man.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Thing. I didn't see her first. It was all first
he did, like you can'tnot would be cod block and
going on.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Right right, right right.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
But yeah, I knew she was the one.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Right, So let's get your story straight because Racheane got
out of her line because it was the next day
Sunstyne was walking down the street. But the way you
told that story, though, Tray, it's all like, man, I
lost my good cap sometimes sometimes walking down the street
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sliding fast bullets that worked for me, bullet proof, That's
what I thought. Continue, Tracy, you too much.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Book, so you know you dave for a while. And
this I knew what she was doing. One like me
and my homeboy got into it with somebody and we all,
I think, I thought we almost killed the dude. So
we was on a rug from the police and the
other dudes, and I th Sunshine and she came and
schooled me up and took in the country. So but
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I knew she was down for it.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Or i'ma just educate y'all. Now, See, this is our country,
he is see taking county is the country. So I
don't know what part of the country she went that
he calls the country, but I can assure you it
gets real dark that night. I'm from the country. I
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know what country looks like. You got our houses, you
got a little thing next to the bed. That's what
he talked about country. I know he talked about y'all.
I think I got to educate my people because they
ain't never had no country people like y'all on my
call before now. But but we having fun here because
of the fact that that's what you have to have
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to uplift people. You have to have a sense of
humor because there's so much darkness in what y'all do. Now,
what motivated need your son Shine as well as Tracy
to pursue this path because I see homeless people all
the time.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Well, one thing that I didn't mention earlier while we
were separated, there was a short time frame where I
was on was and but luckily I had my brother
that I could go with and you know Tim probably
for about a year until I got back on my feet.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Then I moved down with my mother and then it
ended up getting you know, my own place back. So
that's pretty much my touch on you know, being connected
with homelessness. Now, his story is not deeper as far
as homes is involved.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
We moved out and I'm sir and moved down saying
I'm doing good. I had got a good job. We
was doing good. God bless us with the brand new
try to look. We were doing well for ourself. And
then my nephew got murdered. H that they was they
were trying to get I think they were trying to
get me. But since I moved the way that got
my nephew, it's something in me snapped. And when it snapped,
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I went back to the streets and something. The first
time I got my job broke and my wife next
time something happened like that. I'm gone. Well about a
couple months to out. A year later, I trying to
got shot up. And that's when Sunshine she left the
good for a while. But all y'all men know, man,
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when that woman leave, boy, he everything falls apart. Mean,
I'm gonna jump all the way to the park. I
was gonna run from the police. I was facing twenty
five to life. That would make me homeless. When you man,
when I was out there doing my thing, I would
help a lot of people, and I had a homeboy.
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But when you're on the runner, you find out who
really is your friends? You really know who got your back?
And I was walking for eight years, running from the police,
and then one night of the guy that said, man,
turn yourself in in so police station turned myself fam
I went to prison, I got up and I went
I went to a homeless sheep. I went there for
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two years and it taught me how to turn my
life of man instead of being the street person. Turned
my life towards did about two weeks for it was
a two year, two year program. And back to the end,
I started reaching out for Sunshine. I ain't talked to
him eight years, so I couldn't find her. So about
two weeks before graduation, she called me and I'm like, man,
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as long as you don't live in Piggings County, man,
we can get back together. But she lived right through
Piggins County. She go nowhere, going nowhere.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Now?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
So then, uh, yeah, I am. I know. God, God
gave me a vision while I was in prison. He's
gonna use what I went through to help other people.
But he didn't give me no instruction. So we came
back to Piggins County. We opened up a couple of
thriller stores. Uh, but nobody wouldn't like this because of
my background. Nobody church me likes me to preach, but
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nobody told me to. This man came to our stove
and he brought me in. When we went to his
church with four people, me, my wife, his wife, him,
oh and as our child was there. He groomed me
for about two years and then he passed away and
gave us the church. When he gave us the church,
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my first first two sermons, we had this homeless people
coming to our shelf. It was like during the cold season,
and we rode around pilled. This had on waiting. No
homeman shepherd know what. So we allowed them to stay
inside of the church. Well we churches. Oh, I'm from
my old Catholic church, so we have no sprinkleous system.
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So somebody told on us and they told us we
couldn't do it no more. So God say build it yourself.
But this time, you know how hard it is for
a convid to get a job. I found and all
the tree mail I would and God told me to
quit and I didn't. I ended up getting robbed and
the next day so I said, I'm I'm with God
on the way. And that's just part of the story.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Now that's now, that's the word is said. That's a
hell of a story. At this part of the sty
you need to stop. I'm told, glad, I'm telling something. Man,
I'm told glad, I ain't rob. Y'all be laughing. So
if I was around y'all in fact, when I come
down there, be ready to laugh. Be ready to laugh,
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because you not. I am coming down there and I
am going to bait. I am going to personally serve
my desserts to your crew.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Huh. We would love to have you.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Well, it's just you're just you just to take a
gas away. So like I like, I'm stressing myself out
and like I'm driving to California. Okay, then I have
to think about it. Then I don't know. I'll see
y'all think. But with this story that you tell, I
won't get to you. Trace a lot of violence, man,
a lot of violence, and you lose a relative, but
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you still got this personality of uplift and positivity. How
have you not allowed those setbacks stop you from being
the person you are today?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
God shows me every day where he did it for me.
He showed me love is grace and his mercy. One
set one. If you don't understand my angle, meticy came out.
I was in prison, okay, and I mean years when
you're in person. I mean years when you're in prison.
Two years. They dropped mostly all of the charges because
I turned myself in here, but I was in probation
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while I was doing it. My roommate had nine hundred
and ninety nine years.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Straight did jail two years. Man across from here in
damn there a thousand years because I know you didn't
tell that man you was in there for two years.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
No said wait for me, go to church, to church
every day, go to school day, so I ain't see.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Everyone, do man, Please don't go anywhere.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
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Speaker 1 (14:29):
There was something you saying interesting to me about the
church and you was bringing you bring homeless people in
the church, and they say that was against the rule.
Explain that to me, because I thought that's what the church.
Purpose of the church was to share the dity.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
We different, We were every different. We can't got this couple.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Then right and.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Downstairs we had a kitchen area, and you know what
I'm saying stuff like that. So we let them all,
allowed them to stay down there, and we started getting
back on their feet too. You know, they got their call,
they got a nice job, they got a call, they
were going through the process, and then somebody heard about
it and reported it because we because the church wasn't
built for that, and we don't have sprinkler system. Yeah
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you know one of.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Those sprinkler systems in our church doesn't have that.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Okay, okay, cool, So it's like basically co violations.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, then were found in the building, and then where
the building was that they said they ain't want that
kind of activity in their neighborhoods when they took that
building from But then we were found it blessed.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
For one right, so there there, there's really good because
I'd like to break down because people hearing certain things
that make stereotype, but really y'all are doing a good deed.
But y'all violating codes right right. We didn't know, Yeah
we did. Yeah, now you you you know, they can't
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be everywhere because everybody don't want a shelter. Okay, you
can't just open the shelter over here. People go. Those
type people we don't want near our business or near
our homes. So let's go through the process of finding
the shelter, getting the shelter approve, and then gathering funds
to keep it open. Let's let's find that shelter first, Sunshine.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
So, like my husband said, the first building that we
got is exactly what you just described. It was in
the neighborhood and people heard about.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
It and they were like, no, we don't want to
shelter in our neighborhood. We were still searching for another building.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
We had a family friend come to us and he
owned a lot of properties, and so he said, you know,
I think I got a building that would.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Worked good, you know, for a home to shelter for y'all.
So we went and looked at it, and that building
at a lot of work. It was really big.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
It was about six thousand square feet upstairs I like
a square feet, but it was completely it did It
was like just a big open warehouse space, no.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Walls, no flooring, no ceiling anything. It needed a lot
of work.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
So we were sitting there thinking, how in the world
are we going to get this building, you know, up
to code, to become my own shelter.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
So I started reaching out to people. That's one thing
I do.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I stay on the grind reaching out, and especially once
my husband told me his vision on what he wanted
to do as far as opening his shelter.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
So I was contacting companies contract during his CEOs and.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Telling them, you know what our plans are and that
we got this building that needs a lot of work.
Before I knew it, the project took off. We had
all the companies pouring into us. Loddules came in and
started building walls on one side. Home depot came in,
started pouring in money, churches catting together and started putting
down flooring, ceiling, and it took two years to get done.
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But before we knew it, we did it.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
To build a new house take about six months to
a year. Now, Okay, so do y'all did the Wow
house two years? Yeah, that's pretty quick.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
That's pretty quick with no funding.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
We ain't with no fun and reduced the fighting too,
hold off fighting because nobody they painted the picture is
they didn't have a problem. Yeah. Yes, And so we
had to go up for getting a lot of people.
But when we finally got the word to open the
pandemic that same day.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
It took us two years.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
It did pandemic come along.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
It was a Friday. We got our certificate of occupancy
to open.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
At least you got that for God was good to
give you that. Now if the pandemic going to hit
me and you didn't get your certificate even in the
summer time, for you looking around for a certificate.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
But the people don't get twisted. We're not a big corporation, right.
So when we was building a ship, it was me
and with a wife doing the tricks the loaders, get
the pipes to get the floor on the the it
was me and because Dean Blessings with all a boss truck,
so everything that we did, it would just meet and
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my whiteman and it caused her to have a lot
of help problems.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Right right, Yeah, I've got congested part failure now.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Okay, so but how you what you're doing to that
is it is you're more sleep or you're taking pills
for that, sunshine.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I'm taking pills for it.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
I've actually hospitalized twice since twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah, but yeah, I'm on medication.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Okay, Well, we all will be down there to see you. Okay,
give you a hug because I'm good at that. Now,
I got six sisters. Now, so Jeorge, what I or
your wife? Don't be dunking on my head now, I
know you're you're you're being there shooting up even I
come back, I got shot out of Pickings counted. You
thought I was trying to play on your wife. I'm
just ugging though.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
That's all.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I brought tim Kinks down there. Come on now, tell
y'all watch Tracy. Yeah, to watch Tracy man. He be
waking over there, man rolling dice in the corner. Let's
talk about this award though, because you know, I've been
blessed to get a presidential lifetime ate the ward sitting off.
I've gotten two of them. At first, when I got
(20:29):
my first one, I didn't I couldn't believe that somebody
nominated me won. And the second that I got it, okay,
I was like, oh got it for real, plustidential lifetime achievement.
The ward okay, sitting on my office on my wall.
Now we down there at Pinkins Pickings, Pickings County, South Carolina.
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You know, looking at your life, you know, YO came
together separated Tracy two years, and concertrated said across the
man with a thousand years. You know shootouts did the
wrong things? You more wrong thing you did right in
your early years. Yes, I can say that. I can
(21:14):
say that, and such show you're hung getting that way
it hormeless lifestyle. And now y'all gonna get the president.
Y'all got it. I'm not gonna get got it. Talk
about that journey such and then I want to hear
from country over there. I'm calling the country traits talk
to me such.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
It was kind of with our commendation letters, started like
with local government, started.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Like with our local mayors.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Then it went up to like our local governor and
some then the presidential lifetime achievement of war, and I'm like, wow, okay,
so yeah, I think we.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Really made it. But I don't know. It was just
it was it was shocking, I'll put it that way.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Well, it ain't shocking to me because you deserve it.
And that young man sitting right next to you, Tracy,
you know because you know, because Tracy know what, Because
a lot of things are expected of people, and then
when they fall off that track, then people don't expect
anything of them. You a man if a faith, hard work, Yes, sir,
(22:26):
and understand set back. Yes, you know you because in
some way you saw the lords of life because you
get behind the brow. I got a brother or that
a brother who was behind broad I know that. I
know that look across the other side when I know
that person has no rights, no more on that other side.
And you see that every day man at that homeless shelter,
(22:48):
fifty sixty people you're feeding on a daily base. How
do your inspirational lifestyle is told to them to keep
them going? Because you are a difference maker.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yes, yes, sir, uh I stay my testimony. I don't.
I'm not no ordinary pastor. I'm not like the other ones. Man,
I'm really down with the earth and I won't forget
I come from. I really don't. And I share my
story to show them that if I can make it,
they can make it too. It's not My pray is
(23:21):
about my walk. I walk the lift talking. Time's come
up and I know they're watching me. But get cussed up.
They're watching me, so I'm still messing bad. I gotta pray,
so I got I got to live by example because
my life. Man, people get allready talking but they live differently,
and you don't walk. If I'm gonna talk, it's talk.
(23:42):
I'm gonna walk it. And I got to show them. Man,
no matter what you've been through in your life, God
could take you further in life if you just hold
let you do it, that you do it. I can't
forget where I came from. Right I'm about to do
something stupid. God will remind me of a cold.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Toilet, right right right, well, my brother and my sister,
I want to donate one thousand dollars, thank you, thousand dollars,
and I'm gonna tell you something right now. Such and
get that W nine to me today so I can
have my wife process it and we put that check
(24:20):
in the mail on Tuesday morning. Okay, thousand dollars to
your foundation. Just get that W nine to me today
and that that's gonna happen, and I'm gonna come down
there and I'm gonna bake for you, Trace. I'm not
gonna bay for Sunshine. I'm baked for you, Tracy. And
I think I'm just gonna I'm just gonna bring it
all already done. I'm gonna bring it. I would just
(24:41):
lay my back of my truck down, put it all
in the drive down there so we can unload it
all to y'all can see by work and we take
photos and all that good stuff that just want be
gonna dolection your part.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
We want to say thank you because we do not
charge our ready to stay there, right and I'm like
I said, I don't get paid to preach. All the
money go towards go towards the shelter, and we really
mean on got it and what you just did that
is from God. We really want to say thank you so.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Much, Thank you man, thank you, cause you know I
don't get by change on all my interviews. Okay, I
have to be inspired to Okay, I work after my money.
I'm just doing right now. Checks. Okay, A thousand dollars, Okay,
I can I buy some shoes, some clothes, get on
(25:34):
the trip, go to Miami. Okay, I work hard, but
I also know y'all work harder. Y'all changing lives and
so well, about thousand dollars gonna affect way more people
than myself. But more important than two things I promise
to you, and I can start one to day. I'm
gonna see you those photos of those little three little
the little bitty bottles. I'm gonna say that photo to y'all.
(25:57):
I gotta work to do it. I this call, got
right chicks, kind of got mail and eye it licks stamps.
I gotta do everything, y'all for people to work. I
don't know if I'm ever interview y'all again, yeap for
me to work. I gotta bake, I gotta write a
check out, I gotta mail stuff, I gotta take a photo.
That's a lot of work for this interview, y'all. But
(26:19):
thank y'all, Thank y'all for CONCERNTU, Thank thanks to such.
Thank you for contacting me, Tracy, thank you for allowing
me to meet you. Brother and y'all a beautiful couple
men and uh hey man, and you stay healthy, young lady,
you stay healthy and uh, but get that information to
me today. So I give my wife the process it
because I feel good about my life to be able
to position, to be any position to make this type
(26:41):
of donation. And then I'm gonna come down there and
see you, Tracy.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
God, Yes, thank you.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
I just want to say thank you for taking the
time to interview us, thank you for even paying attention
to us. Because like you said, made from world Pickings County.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
And I'm always telling that people were listening when somebody
from the country said they living somebody else they know
living the country. That's the part of the country you
don't even want to go in. That's a part of
the counting. No idea where you going?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Okay, gps, don't one.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
They said, turn right at the tree, the big oak,
or the mailbox. If the cow is still standing there,
make a left. The old run down born, make a
left in that you come to the end of the road.
If you see a rock, make a left. I'll be
(27:46):
standing there the road waving that. Shut your shaf I
love for y'all. I want to thank y'all for coming
on Money Making Conversation Basketclass. I will see y'all seer. Okay.
This has been another edition of Moneymaking Conversation Masterclass hosted
by me Rushaun McDonald. Thank you to our guests on
(28:08):
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