Two-time Emmy and three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Dr. Shica Little. During COVID, Dr. Shica was laid off and decided to pursue her dream, and she created Vegan Cookies and Cookie Dough Mix. Dr. Shica's Bakery:
Nationwide Roll-Out: Our Snack Cookies (Chocolate Chip, Oatmeal Raisin, Lemon, and Confetti Sugar.
• Nationwide Retail- All HomeGoods, TJ Maxx, and Marshalls (throughout US and Canada)- over 4120 stores
• Costco- We will start a Roadshow with Costco in the Culver City (near LAX) location next month. We'll be in-store sampling and selling our new snack cookies.
• ISM Middle East/Dubai- Selected to be a speaker at the largest Snacks and Sweets Show in the Middle East, which is called ISM.
• Canada Minority Program—Selected to participate in the trade show for the Minority Supplier program in Toronto, Canada.
• Fundraising- We have a new fundraising opportunity for organizations to use our cookies to raise money. The fundraising link is on our website.
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nonprofits and profits and we want to learn their secrets
to success. My next guest is a cookie and cookie
and cookie dough mixed brand. That's what she built. She's
recently went from two hundred stores now two hundred store
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to now more than forty one hundred stores. An idea
that start I didn't in the kitchen, just like a
lot of you guys out there. The products are now
available nationwide and all home goods, TJ Max. All these
stories she's going to tell you, even in Canada. It's
a vegan cookie and looks and everybody wants to according
to go from two hundred to forty one hundred. A
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lot of people wanted please working with the Money Making
Conversation master class, so she can tell her story how
they all started. Doctor Shika. How are you doing, doctor Sheika?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I am doing great. Rashaan, how are you doing?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
A vegan cookie?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yes, a vegan cookie.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
How did that idea start?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Oh? My gosh, okay, So the idea of a vegan
cookie we started right at twenty twenty after the pandemic.
I was an educator. I was in the field of
education education management, and I've always been baking on the side,
baking on the weekends and bacon since I was a
teenager in the South to be. But when I lost
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my job the company closed as a result of COVID,
and the marketing director she was like, you know what,
you as a little go ahead and start your bakery.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
At this time, so basically you were working a normal job,
just like everybody, forty hours a week. They had no
aspirations of a cookie business.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
No, I didn't really think I had it in me,
you know what I'm saying. I never really thought that
that was something I could do.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Wow, And so but why vegan? You know, like I said,
I've tasted your cookies. They do taste. They taste I
have to say fantastic. And with that being said, and
I'm not a vegan guy. And so you know, someone
tell you when I say I'm not a vegan guy.
I don't know what that means. All I know is
I like things are the good. I like good desserts.
(03:50):
This dessert hit a home run with me. Now, with
that being said, there are a lot of cookies out
there you could have made that are non vegan. Why
did you choose vegan?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Okay? So we wanted to make a cookie that is
delicious and flavorful for everybody to enjoy, right, Okay. So
I know that there are people out there with dairyology.
Some people have latose intolerance, some people don't want the cholesterol,
some people are looking for you know, we're in the
age of everybody want something different. But what I do,
(04:22):
what I do know is that people want something delicious
and flavorful, and we wanted to be able to have
something that everybody enjoyed. So that's why we came out
with the plant based cookies.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Now it's called Doctor Shika's Bakery. That's the name of
the Brain correct Now I would like hearing backstory on
people because, like I said, and we're going to get
to how it all got launched, because I'm sure there's
more to this joy story. But where are you originally from?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I'm originally from Easily, South Carolina. Many people have not
heard about it.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I'm about to say, I've been all over South Carolina.
I've never been there. Okay, maybe drove past it real fast,
but I've never.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yes, you've never been there. So Easily is like in
between Greenville and Clemson and so if you've ever heard
of the Clinton Tigers and that's yeah, So it's in
between in between. It's a small city in between those.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
And then you made your way to Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yes, I made my way to Atlanta. Lived there in
Atlanta for about eight years, and then I always had
this dream of moving to LA. Always had a dream
of moving to LA. Ended up taking a teaching position.
I taught college and Phoenut Arizona. Did that while I
was finishing my doctorate. I was finishing my PhD, and
(05:38):
then I had an opportunity to move out to LA
and I was like, Okay, this is my time to
actually move to LA.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Now here's the fun part because I do know a
little little about her story. Now she's been laid off,
no aspirations of starting a cookie business. So basically she's
doing a rock and Heart place. What's your extream? You know,
entrepreneurship wasn't a plan. And I always like to tell
people all dreams, all plans are always plan. Sometimes that
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happened when when you see it happening, you got to
realize that moment. Tell us what happened in Los Angeles?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Okay, so in Los Angeles again, I was doing an
education job here, got laid off. Marketing director said go
for it. I started doing pop ups around LA and
so I started having a celebrity clientele. So I had
some people, really interesting people that came out, like the
creator of the show Entourage, Doug Ellen. He was one
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of my biggest cheerleaders and still is today and that's
one of my favorite shows. For him to come by
one of our pop ups and actually chase our cookies
and brownies and give it a check off, you know,
that was a big thing to me, right and so
from there, you know, he told Terry Weinberg, and she
was a producer of the TV shows The Office, which
is another favorite show of mine. I've even even got
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all the way around to making birthday cake for Jessica
Simpson and delivering it at her house. These are things
I never thought that I would do because my my
initial goal was not to have a bakery. I was
an educator. I have three degrees in education. I have
a bachelor's, a master's, and a PhD. And so that
was my career path and God said otherwise.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
But I love the fact that you're gonna say, Look,
I'm still gonna keep doctor in my name here. I
may not be using it academically, i might not never
been losing it a job, but it's gonna be doctor
Sheikha's Bakery.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Okay, yes, yes, I earned it. I went to school
for seventeen years to get that degree, and you know,
being able to still educate people on having a better
for you option. You know, I'm still educating people, you know,
So I'm bringing that education to the Philli cookies.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Now, let's talk about the different brands, because you know
you you out there, pop up and now I see
you have a chopper chip or old men raising a
lemon and a confetti sugar. Did you have that back
when you started with your pop up.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
No, I didn't. And this is so funny because again,
I always baked in the South, started from when I
was with my mother and grand grandmother, and I didn't
always have all these recipes like my family's known for
making great red belt a cake, you know what I'm saying,
and making delicious chocolate cake, pound cakes, things like that.
But honestly, the time where people would come and ask me, hey,
(08:32):
you know, word got around. Can you make me this?
Can you make me that? You would never believe some
of the things that I made the first time back
then I had never made before, I ever made before,
and so it was like a learning experience. And one
thing that I do know is I pourt my heart
and soul into everything that I make, and so you know,
if it wasn't perfect, I would make it again. It
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wasn't if it wasn't to my satisfaction, I would make
it again. So my goal was to make sure that
one would say, you know what, this is the best
cookie I ever had, the best brownie ever had. And
I really still stands on that principle today.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Right now, let's talk about developing a different flavors. So
when the person from the office came by. The person
from the series Entourage came by. What cookies or what
desserts were they eating? That they were, you know, just
appraising you for your desserts.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Okay, So they love the chocolate chip cookies, they love
the oatmeal, they love the lemon cookies, and they love
our brownies. And we're gonna come out with them one day,
so right now, a little bit later. But they really
loved the wholesomeness of everything that I bake because I
use premium ingredients. And actually we have a signature flavor.
(09:46):
We have our own flavor line that's actually built into
every product that we made. So if it has a
unique taste, then you won't find that anywhere else because
it's our our unique flavor.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Now, so you have chocolate chip, oatmeal, raisin, over raisin
on the way, separating it because it's what if over
raising one of my favorite cookies lemon and li confetti sugar.
Then you also have cookie dough mixed, so one can
buy the cookie as is or you can make the cookie.
Why was that part of the plan?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Okay? So you know how one thing always leads to another.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
No, I don't, No, I don't doctor Sheifa, I am
interviewing you. Okay, please, I'm very naive about this whole development,
so please explain it to me and the audience.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Okay. So after we were doing the pop up, so
we had an opportunity where we can open up a
small kiosk get one of the malls here in La
So we took that opportunity. We did a small kiosk
get the mall for like a year and a half
and it was great because it was a great testing ground.
People would come by try the product when we get
the feedback, and of course I couldn't be there like
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like all the time, but I wanted to make sure
that higher bakers that could make the desserts like I could,
So in order to have the consistency, I started making
these cookie mixes and putting them in the bag so
the person would only have to add the dry the
wet ingredients. They would only have to add the butter
in the water. And eventually I started thinking, I was like,
(11:19):
you know what, I'm really making cookie mix. I should
be putting this in the bag to sell this as well.
So that's how that came about. Because we would have
customers at them all they would come by and say, oh,
I love this, but I wish I could ship something
to my sister in Brooklyn, or I wish my relative
in North Carolina could have some of these cookies. So
(11:40):
I started thinking more about it, and I was like,
you know what the cookie mix is the answer? You know,
we can ship that anywhere. They can just add their
own butter and water. It's super easy to make.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
So it's one stick of vegan butter, right, it's one
stick of salt vegan butter, and it's two tablespoons of
warm water.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
That's it, Yes, exactly, Yeah, that's it. That's it, and
it tastes just like we would make it.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Wow. Now, to my understanding that community giving back to
the community, being able to give community options is very
part of your brand over Doctor Schik's Bakery. You want
to give schools, organization parents opportunities to raise funds using
your product. Tell us about that.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, So we are exploring a new fundraising opportunity where
you can actually go on our website, which is coming
very very soon. If you're interested, just go to our website,
hit the fundraiser buttons, fill out of inquiry and we
will be getting back with you as soon as we
get that going, but that's about two weeks away. But
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the interesting thing is is that customers can be able
to fundraise and be able to buy ready to eat
cookies as well as our cookie mixes, and be able
to raise some money for the organization.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
So we're talking away because because I guess the flyer
say the sales that they get, they get fifty percent
of the sales.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yes, they get fifty percent of the sales. And it's
a fantastic way to.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
You do all the delivery, you do all the packaging,
so if they do a sell, the product is delivered
directly to that person's door, and so all they have
to do. Now the site you said be ready in
a couple of weeks. All week, it might be ready tomorrow,
who knows. But when it's airs, you know, I'm just
saying because I don't want people to hear this a
week from now and then next week it starts. But
(13:31):
I think, but you are allowing people to go to
your website and fill out an inquiry form, which means
feel out the email address and their name, and then
let them know what type of fundraiser they want to do,
the amount of people, how much they're trying to raise.
We don't want any personal security information. This is just
typical information to contact you when the site's up and
(13:52):
ready the fundraising site, and that site allows that person
who participates that organization forever funds they raised, they get
fifty percent of those fun dollars and they have to
do't have to do any work. All the product is
shipped directly to them.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Absolutely yestic to do it.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
It's fantastic. I'm glad you're doing that. I'm glad you're
offering that to the community because a lot of people
are looking for different ways, especially a lot of schools
are being undefunded. You know, school teachers don't have supplies
they can get in their classroom, and this is a
way where parents can support teachers and teachers can get
the students to support themselves. And also football uniforms and
all those things. So again, doctor Shika, that's an amazing
(14:36):
part of what you're doing with your brand. When we
get back, we're gonna find out about this lunch. I
see the bay on here, I see Canada on here.
All I'm just trying to do it. Just go around
the corner, give me some that's all. I'm just saying
we're right back for more money Making Conversations master Class.
Talking to doctor Sheika. Doctor Sheikha living been here in LA,
got laid off because of COVID, then stop her went
(14:56):
over to LA. I mean was in Atlanta and COVID
got to it in La open pop up stores. Now
she's nationwide.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Please don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more
money Making Conversations Masterclass. Welcome back to the Money Making
Conversations Masterclass, hosted by Rashaan McDonald.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
A person who I talk about all the time on
the show. I'll talk about people who have an idea
and a lot of people are naysayers. They're telling them
that don't make any sense. That never happen. But that
didn't stop her. COVID didn't stop her. Being laid off
didn't stop her. She was highly she is highly educated,
but that didn't mean that she couldn't switch gears because
(15:44):
a lot of people stay in that track. Well, this
is what I went to school for, this is what
I was told to do. This, this is a relationship
I'm supposed to be in, but not her. But she
saw an opportunity and people motivated you and I think
that's the key in this conversation with you, doctor Sheikh,
is that people peo unknowingly and their compliments inspired you
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to get to this point here because you didn't know.
You just was doing something that you would talented at,
but when the moment arised, you didn't hesitate to deliver.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yes, that is correct. That's correct. And honestly, like I
told you, I came from a family of bakers. But
just to be honest with you, Rishan, even when I
lived in Atlanta, I didn't even know where I really
had the talent of baking, you know what I mean.
I always baked cookies with my daughters, and you know,
baked for a family, you know, for family gatherings and
(16:39):
things like that. But I didn't know that I had
this hidden talent until I was laid off from my
job and I had to make a move. At that point,
I was like, you know what I gotta make I
gotta do something.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Right right and and doing that and so when I
when I see I'm just going down this resume of
things because you got to launch these cookies. Now, let's
talk about that launch, you know, because you're going to
be in over forty one hundred stores. I mentioned some
of the brand home Goods, TJ Max, Marshalls throughout the
US and Canada. What is a launch? What exactly do
you have to do because a lot of people need
(17:12):
to realize that just because stores have your product, you
still have a lot of work to do. Tell us
about the process.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Oh oh yes, absolutely, So these cookies of shits about
two and a half weeks ago, and right now we're
like going into the stores and you know, every day
I'm going into a store. Are they here yet? Are
they here yet? Are they here yet? And they should
be there any day now. But the thing is, as
an entrepreneur and having a business like this, you can't
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wait to start marketing when a product gets on the shelf.
Your marketing efforts need to start way before that product
gets to the store. And so that's one tidbit that
I can give to people. You know, when you have
a product that's going on the shelves, you want to
make sure that it flies off the shelf.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And that's important because of the fact that and you
don't you know, and that's what you're doing right now,
you sin Rashwan as I do this interview right Now
my product may not be where somebody's hearing it, but
they need to know go in and ask for it,
go and say, hey, I heard about the doctor Sheikh's bakery.
It's coming here. Cookies are coming here. Do you have them?
Because that's what you want, right, You want people to
(18:22):
want your cookies. You want people to ask for your cookies.
And then when it gets there, somehow they get moved
to the front a little quicker because people know. Because
these stories that she's mentioned are in the business of
making money. Ladies and gentlemen, they want whatever they put
on that shelf to get sold. Now, if people are
coming and asking for the cookie, then guess what. They
get excited and they want to make sure next time
(18:45):
you come in and ask, you find it. And so
that's what this is all about.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Correct, correct, yep, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Now let's talk about the road show. Now here, my
wife's favorite stores, Costco. We go to Costco all the time. Now, Costco,
you're going to be doing a road show in Costco.
What exactly is that?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
So the road show in Costco is going to start
next month here in LA And basically what a road
show is like a demonstration. It's almost like whenever you're
walking around and you you're tasting everything new. Yeah, it's
the fun part of Costco where you get full. You
walk around, you get full, and you're like, hey, I
don't even need to eat dinner anymore because I'm full.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
The road show, Oh yes.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
She's had to stop me Chevelt. You know you're not
gonna buy that? Well the off friends, can I just
try it? Okay, so just taste it and so so
now this is the thing that really got me excited
about you. You was recently selected to be a speaker
at the largest snacks and sweet show in the Middle
East called is M and that's Dubai.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yes that isn't you buy now? I kid you not.
Earlier this year, I did not even have a pass
for it. I did not even have a pass for it.
But because I'm a dreamer, like you've introduced me, I'm
a dreamer. The first and foremost, I was like, you know,
let me go ahead and get this passport because I'm
going to prepare myself for the doors that the Lord
(20:19):
is about to open up for me. Now. Also, keep
in mind, to buy is like a place I've always
wanted to go, but when I got that email about
a month ago that said, hey, we would like for
you to be an expert speaker on our not even
a panel. They're giving me the floor to speak for
thirty minutes based on green snacking, based on you know,
(20:42):
a plant based approach. I'll have the stage for that
long of a time to be able to talk about
what I've been crafting here, delicious flavorful plant based dessert.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Right, look at guys, I'm teja. My moth is dropped
open because that is like, you can't buy that. That
is awesome. You don't know how you would submitted. You
don't know how they contacted, but the opportunity is going
to be made available for you to present your caddra
now internationally.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yes, internationally. So they're gonna have thirty thousand buyers from
fifty different countries at the show. So that tells you
the magnitude of this show.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Wow. Okay, that's one place, ladies and gentlemen, I'm just
telling you about the dreamer here Doctor Chica's Bakery Cookies
Canada Minority Program. You were selected to be part of
the trade show for the Minority Supplier program in Toronto.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yes, that's in Toronto, Canada. That's the first week of September.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Again, do what you want to do?
Speaker 2 (21:46):
To me?
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Is like, m no, no, this is amazing stuff you
just said to buy. Now you're in Canada and you
and you just the cookie lady.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Okay, yes, I'm the cookie lady. Yes. And there are
very few brands that are plant based, but there are
a lot of people in Canada that are plant based,
and so they have an initiative to bring as many products,
even if they have to import them into the country.
And we were selected for this program and being a
minority female, oh my gosh, that really just floored me
(22:21):
to be a part of this program in general to
bring more plant based products to Canada.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
And so when you go there with your product, you
told about the number of buyers that are going to
be in the buy potentially internationally. What is the Canada
Minority program. What are you presenting to them? And who's
going to see your product?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Okay, So we have appointments, they already have appointments set
up with buyers that are already ready for our products.
They're already ready. They're going to be closing deals in Canada.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Congratulations, you know, just an idea. You didn't think you
was a cook. I just got to keep rehashing your
story got laid off COVID, one of the most one
of the darkest moments in the history of this country.
And then you just start doing pop ups in LA
And when somebody asked you to do something, you didn't hesitate.
If you if you didn't do it right, you learned
(23:13):
how to do it. If that cake didn't taste good,
you threw it in the trash. You was not going
to deliver a cake that didn't taste good. And now
some major corporations speaking, let's talk about that.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Kelloggs Yes, Mars Yes, on.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
The green snacking. Now, this is a young lady, ladies
and gentlemen. Doctor Shika didn't even have a passport in January.
And I'm not saying that as a putdown. I'm just
saying that it could all. It can happen for anyone
who's listening to this show if they believe it. If
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they don't, let Na says step in the way up
their opportunities. Don't let negative moments. See this is it.
I'm going back to whatever I was supposed to do.
This is not going to work. And now you are
being presented to youself. So what's the what's the endgame
for this? When you when I'm when I'm saying all
this information to you, you you're having fundraising opportunities presented
(24:15):
for your product. You're going to be in Dubai, You're
going to be in Canada, Calloggs Mars, You're going to
be in forty one hundred stores. What is the ultimate
blessing for your future? My frame, because you are definitely
being blessed.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yes, God is good, all glory to him. My goal
really is to be like the Betty Crocker or the
Nabisco of plant based cookies. So whenever you walk into
your grocery store, whether you're looking for a cookie mix,
brownie mix, cake mix, you're looking for cookies ready to eat,
whatever you're looking for, we're able to provide that. But
(24:50):
to also be able to have my face is the
logo on the product, you know, for my kids and
grandkids legacy. I mean, that's that's my goal, as well
as to be able to give back to the community.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah, and that's really important. So the flavors are do
you have any like are you gonna do any seasonal stuff?
Because time of the year. Some people do, like you know,
Little Chick Fi lady, they got the seasonal stuff and
a lot of products do that. We are what are
your seasonal products you have coming up?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Let me tell you a little bit about it. So,
for like our holiday flavors. We have a really nice
hot chocolate cookie. It kind of reminds you of a
cup of hot chocolate. It has chocolate, dark chocolate chips,
white chocolate chips. But when you have one or primise,
you can't eat just one. We have red building cookies
coming down the pipeline. We also have our banana pudding cookies.
(25:42):
So we have some really good flavors that are going
to be around for the holidays. So yeah, get ready.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
And they've become popular, they become part of the regular.
If they become that popular, you're just going to stay seasonal.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Oh well, you know what, if we need to continue
to we would like to roll them out as a
permanent item. But we have a lot of plans for
you know, definitely limited editions as well, so we'll see
how it goes.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Well. My friend, I can tell you how it's going
right now. It seems like it's going fantastic and I'm
so happy you took the time in your busy schedule
because obviously you need a passport. And because you're about
to go on your road show. You about forty one
hundred and twenty stores, you going to Canada, you going
to Dubai. And I've interviewed a lot of people on
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this show, and you know, everybody has a dream. I
have a dream. And this show is about money making
conversation master class and people tell their secrets to success.
And if you have to see your secrets is to success?
What would you say it is?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I'm gonna say, stay prayed up. That's what that's that's
the most important. Like before I start my day, when
I sit in my chair, but in front of us computer,
I'm like, Jesus, take the whill because like you're you're
challenged the day. You're working with fenders, you're working with retailers,
you're working with buyers, you're working with so many personalities,
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so many timelines. So you gotta have fans, you know
what I mean. Because it's not easy. It's not an
easy thing, and especially for you know Minardi female, it's
even harder. It's even harder for us. And so you know,
just stay prayed up. That's the best advice I can get.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
And then follow that up with a lot of hard work.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Okay, exactly a lot of hard work.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Doctor. Thank you for coming on much your money Making
Conversations master life and good luck, and I wish and
send me some postcards you know, when you're in Dubai,
when you're in Canada, you know, don't forget about a brother.
This has been another edition of Money Making Conversation Masterclass
posted by me Rashaun McDonald. Thank you to our guests
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and cookie dough mixed brand. That's what she built. She's
recently went from two hundred stores now two hundred store
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to now more than forty one hundred stores. An idea
that start I didn't in the kitchen, just like a
lot of you guys out there. The products are now
available nationwide and all home goods, TJ Max. All these
stories she's going to tell you, even in Canada. It's
a vegan cookie and looks and everybody wants to according
to go from two hundred to forty one hundred. A
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lot of people wanted please working with the Money Making
Conversation master class, so she can tell her story how
they all started. Doctor Shika. How are you doing, doctor Sheika?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I am doing great. Rashaan, how are you doing?
Speaker 1 (02:30):
A vegan cookie?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yes, a vegan cookie.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
How did that idea start?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Oh? My gosh, okay, So the idea of a vegan
cookie we started right at twenty twenty after the pandemic.
I was an educator. I was in the field of
education education management, and I've always been baking on the side,
baking on the weekends and bacon since I was a
teenager in the South to be. But when I lost
(03:01):
my job the company closed as a result of COVID,
and the marketing director she was like, you know what,
you as a little go ahead and start your bakery.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
At this time, so basically you were working a normal job,
just like everybody, forty hours a week. They had no
aspirations of a cookie business.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
No, I didn't really think I had it in me,
you know what I'm saying. I never really thought that
that was something I could do.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Wow, And so but why vegan? You know, like I said,
I've tasted your cookies. They do taste. They taste I
have to say fantastic. And with that being said, and
I'm not a vegan guy. And so you know, someone
tell you when I say I'm not a vegan guy.
I don't know what that means. All I know is
I like things are the good. I like good desserts.
(03:50):
This dessert hit a home run with me. Now, with
that being said, there are a lot of cookies out
there you could have made that are non vegan. Why
did you choose vegan?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Okay? So we wanted to make a cookie that is
delicious and flavorful for everybody to enjoy, right, Okay. So
I know that there are people out there with dairyology.
Some people have latose intolerance, some people don't want the cholesterol,
some people are looking for you know, we're in the
age of everybody want something different. But what I do,
(04:22):
what I do know is that people want something delicious
and flavorful, and we wanted to be able to have
something that everybody enjoyed. So that's why we came out
with the plant based cookies.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Now it's called Doctor Shika's Bakery. That's the name of
the Brain correct Now I would like hearing backstory on
people because, like I said, and we're going to get
to how it all got launched, because I'm sure there's
more to this joy story. But where are you originally from?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I'm originally from Easily, South Carolina. Many people have not
heard about it.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I'm about to say, I've been all over South Carolina.
I've never been there. Okay, maybe drove past it real fast,
but I've never.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yes, you've never been there. So Easily is like in
between Greenville and Clemson and so if you've ever heard
of the Clinton Tigers and that's yeah, So it's in
between in between. It's a small city in between those.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
And then you made your way to Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yes, I made my way to Atlanta. Lived there in
Atlanta for about eight years, and then I always had
this dream of moving to LA. Always had a dream
of moving to LA. Ended up taking a teaching position.
I taught college and Phoenut Arizona. Did that while I
was finishing my doctorate. I was finishing my PhD, and
(05:38):
then I had an opportunity to move out to LA
and I was like, Okay, this is my time to
actually move to LA.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Now here's the fun part because I do know a
little little about her story. Now she's been laid off,
no aspirations of starting a cookie business. So basically she's
doing a rock and Heart place. What's your extream? You know,
entrepreneurship wasn't a plan. And I always like to tell
people all dreams, all plans are always plan. Sometimes that
(06:09):
happened when when you see it happening, you got to
realize that moment. Tell us what happened in Los Angeles?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Okay, so in Los Angeles again, I was doing an
education job here, got laid off. Marketing director said go
for it. I started doing pop ups around LA and
so I started having a celebrity clientele. So I had
some people, really interesting people that came out, like the
creator of the show Entourage, Doug Ellen. He was one
(06:38):
of my biggest cheerleaders and still is today and that's
one of my favorite shows. For him to come by
one of our pop ups and actually chase our cookies
and brownies and give it a check off, you know,
that was a big thing to me, right and so
from there, you know, he told Terry Weinberg, and she
was a producer of the TV shows The Office, which
is another favorite show of mine. I've even even got
(07:00):
all the way around to making birthday cake for Jessica
Simpson and delivering it at her house. These are things
I never thought that I would do because my my
initial goal was not to have a bakery. I was
an educator. I have three degrees in education. I have
a bachelor's, a master's, and a PhD. And so that
was my career path and God said otherwise.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
But I love the fact that you're gonna say, Look,
I'm still gonna keep doctor in my name here. I
may not be using it academically, i might not never
been losing it a job, but it's gonna be doctor
Sheikha's Bakery.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Okay, yes, yes, I earned it. I went to school
for seventeen years to get that degree, and you know,
being able to still educate people on having a better
for you option. You know, I'm still educating people, you know,
So I'm bringing that education to the Philli cookies.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Now, let's talk about the different brands, because you know
you you out there, pop up and now I see
you have a chopper chip or old men raising a
lemon and a confetti sugar. Did you have that back
when you started with your pop up.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
No, I didn't. And this is so funny because again,
I always baked in the South, started from when I
was with my mother and grand grandmother, and I didn't
always have all these recipes like my family's known for
making great red belt a cake, you know what I'm saying,
and making delicious chocolate cake, pound cakes, things like that.
But honestly, the time where people would come and ask me, hey,
(08:32):
you know, word got around. Can you make me this?
Can you make me that? You would never believe some
of the things that I made the first time back
then I had never made before, I ever made before,
and so it was like a learning experience. And one
thing that I do know is I pourt my heart
and soul into everything that I make, and so you know,
if it wasn't perfect, I would make it again. It
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wasn't if it wasn't to my satisfaction, I would make
it again. So my goal was to make sure that
one would say, you know what, this is the best
cookie I ever had, the best brownie ever had. And
I really still stands on that principle today.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Right now, let's talk about developing a different flavors. So
when the person from the office came by. The person
from the series Entourage came by. What cookies or what
desserts were they eating? That they were, you know, just
appraising you for your desserts.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Okay, So they love the chocolate chip cookies, they love
the oatmeal, they love the lemon cookies, and they love
our brownies. And we're gonna come out with them one day,
so right now, a little bit later. But they really
loved the wholesomeness of everything that I bake because I
use premium ingredients. And actually we have a signature flavor.
(09:46):
We have our own flavor line that's actually built into
every product that we made. So if it has a
unique taste, then you won't find that anywhere else because
it's our our unique flavor.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Now, so you have chocolate chip, oatmeal, raisin, over raisin
on the way, separating it because it's what if over
raising one of my favorite cookies lemon and li confetti sugar.
Then you also have cookie dough mixed, so one can
buy the cookie as is or you can make the cookie.
Why was that part of the plan?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Okay? So you know how one thing always leads to another.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
No, I don't, No, I don't doctor Sheifa, I am
interviewing you. Okay, please, I'm very naive about this whole development,
so please explain it to me and the audience.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Okay. So after we were doing the pop up, so
we had an opportunity where we can open up a
small kiosk get one of the malls here in La
So we took that opportunity. We did a small kiosk
get the mall for like a year and a half
and it was great because it was a great testing ground.
People would come by try the product when we get
the feedback, and of course I couldn't be there like
(10:57):
like all the time, but I wanted to make sure
that higher bakers that could make the desserts like I could,
So in order to have the consistency, I started making
these cookie mixes and putting them in the bag so
the person would only have to add the dry the
wet ingredients. They would only have to add the butter
in the water. And eventually I started thinking, I was like,
(11:19):
you know what, I'm really making cookie mix. I should
be putting this in the bag to sell this as well.
So that's how that came about. Because we would have
customers at them all they would come by and say, oh,
I love this, but I wish I could ship something
to my sister in Brooklyn, or I wish my relative
in North Carolina could have some of these cookies. So
(11:40):
I started thinking more about it, and I was like,
you know what the cookie mix is the answer? You know,
we can ship that anywhere. They can just add their
own butter and water. It's super easy to make.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
So it's one stick of vegan butter, right, it's one
stick of salt vegan butter, and it's two tablespoons of
warm water.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
That's it, Yes, exactly, Yeah, that's it. That's it, and
it tastes just like we would make it.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Wow. Now, to my understanding that community giving back to
the community, being able to give community options is very
part of your brand over Doctor Schik's Bakery. You want
to give schools, organization parents opportunities to raise funds using
your product. Tell us about that.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, So we are exploring a new fundraising opportunity where
you can actually go on our website, which is coming
very very soon. If you're interested, just go to our website,
hit the fundraiser buttons, fill out of inquiry and we
will be getting back with you as soon as we
get that going, but that's about two weeks away. But
(12:46):
the interesting thing is is that customers can be able
to fundraise and be able to buy ready to eat
cookies as well as our cookie mixes, and be able
to raise some money for the organization.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
So we're talking away because because I guess the flyer
say the sales that they get, they get fifty percent
of the sales.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yes, they get fifty percent of the sales. And it's
a fantastic way to.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
You do all the delivery, you do all the packaging,
so if they do a sell, the product is delivered
directly to that person's door, and so all they have
to do. Now the site you said be ready in
a couple of weeks. All week, it might be ready tomorrow,
who knows. But when it's airs, you know, I'm just
saying because I don't want people to hear this a
week from now and then next week it starts. But
(13:31):
I think, but you are allowing people to go to
your website and fill out an inquiry form, which means
feel out the email address and their name, and then
let them know what type of fundraiser they want to do,
the amount of people, how much they're trying to raise.
We don't want any personal security information. This is just
typical information to contact you when the site's up and
(13:52):
ready the fundraising site, and that site allows that person
who participates that organization forever funds they raised, they get
fifty percent of those fun dollars and they have to
do't have to do any work. All the product is
shipped directly to them.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Absolutely yestic to do it.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
It's fantastic. I'm glad you're doing that. I'm glad you're
offering that to the community because a lot of people
are looking for different ways, especially a lot of schools
are being undefunded. You know, school teachers don't have supplies
they can get in their classroom, and this is a
way where parents can support teachers and teachers can get
the students to support themselves. And also football uniforms and
all those things. So again, doctor Shika, that's an amazing
(14:36):
part of what you're doing with your brand. When we
get back, we're gonna find out about this lunch. I
see the bay on here, I see Canada on here.
All I'm just trying to do it. Just go around
the corner, give me some that's all. I'm just saying
we're right back for more money Making Conversations master Class.
Talking to doctor Sheika. Doctor Sheikha living been here in LA,
got laid off because of COVID, then stop her went
(14:56):
over to LA. I mean was in Atlanta and COVID
got to it in La open pop up stores. Now
she's nationwide.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Please don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more
money Making Conversations Masterclass. Welcome back to the Money Making
Conversations Masterclass, hosted by Rashaan McDonald.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
A person who I talk about all the time on
the show. I'll talk about people who have an idea
and a lot of people are naysayers. They're telling them
that don't make any sense. That never happen. But that
didn't stop her. COVID didn't stop her. Being laid off
didn't stop her. She was highly she is highly educated,
but that didn't mean that she couldn't switch gears because
(15:44):
a lot of people stay in that track. Well, this
is what I went to school for, this is what
I was told to do. This, this is a relationship
I'm supposed to be in, but not her. But she
saw an opportunity and people motivated you and I think
that's the key in this conversation with you, doctor Sheikh,
is that people peo unknowingly and their compliments inspired you
(16:05):
to get to this point here because you didn't know.
You just was doing something that you would talented at,
but when the moment arised, you didn't hesitate to deliver.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yes, that is correct. That's correct. And honestly, like I
told you, I came from a family of bakers. But
just to be honest with you, Rishan, even when I
lived in Atlanta, I didn't even know where I really
had the talent of baking, you know what I mean.
I always baked cookies with my daughters, and you know,
baked for a family, you know, for family gatherings and
(16:39):
things like that. But I didn't know that I had
this hidden talent until I was laid off from my
job and I had to make a move. At that point,
I was like, you know what I gotta make I
gotta do something.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Right right and and doing that and so when I
when I see I'm just going down this resume of
things because you got to launch these cookies. Now, let's
talk about that launch, you know, because you're going to
be in over forty one hundred stores. I mentioned some
of the brand home Goods, TJ Max, Marshalls throughout the
US and Canada. What is a launch? What exactly do
you have to do because a lot of people need
(17:12):
to realize that just because stores have your product, you
still have a lot of work to do. Tell us
about the process.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Oh oh yes, absolutely, So these cookies of shits about
two and a half weeks ago, and right now we're
like going into the stores and you know, every day
I'm going into a store. Are they here yet? Are
they here yet? Are they here yet? And they should
be there any day now. But the thing is, as
an entrepreneur and having a business like this, you can't
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wait to start marketing when a product gets on the shelf.
Your marketing efforts need to start way before that product
gets to the store. And so that's one tidbit that
I can give to people. You know, when you have
a product that's going on the shelves, you want to
make sure that it flies off the shelf.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And that's important because of the fact that and you
don't you know, and that's what you're doing right now,
you sin Rashwan as I do this interview right Now
my product may not be where somebody's hearing it, but
they need to know go in and ask for it,
go and say, hey, I heard about the doctor Sheikh's bakery.
It's coming here. Cookies are coming here. Do you have them?
Because that's what you want, right, You want people to
(18:22):
want your cookies. You want people to ask for your cookies.
And then when it gets there, somehow they get moved
to the front a little quicker because people know. Because
these stories that she's mentioned are in the business of
making money. Ladies and gentlemen, they want whatever they put
on that shelf to get sold. Now, if people are
coming and asking for the cookie, then guess what. They
get excited and they want to make sure next time
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you come in and ask, you find it. And so
that's what this is all about.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Correct, correct, yep, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Now let's talk about the road show. Now here, my
wife's favorite stores, Costco. We go to Costco all the time. Now, Costco,
you're going to be doing a road show in Costco.
What exactly is that?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
So the road show in Costco is going to start
next month here in LA And basically what a road
show is like a demonstration. It's almost like whenever you're
walking around and you you're tasting everything new. Yeah, it's
the fun part of Costco where you get full. You
walk around, you get full, and you're like, hey, I
don't even need to eat dinner anymore because I'm full.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
The road show, Oh yes.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
She's had to stop me Chevelt. You know you're not
gonna buy that? Well the off friends, can I just
try it? Okay, so just taste it and so so
now this is the thing that really got me excited
about you. You was recently selected to be a speaker
at the largest snacks and sweet show in the Middle
East called is M and that's Dubai.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yes that isn't you buy now? I kid you not.
Earlier this year, I did not even have a pass
for it. I did not even have a pass for it.
But because I'm a dreamer, like you've introduced me, I'm
a dreamer. The first and foremost, I was like, you know,
let me go ahead and get this passport because I'm
going to prepare myself for the doors that the Lord
(20:19):
is about to open up for me. Now. Also, keep
in mind, to buy is like a place I've always
wanted to go, but when I got that email about
a month ago that said, hey, we would like for
you to be an expert speaker on our not even
a panel. They're giving me the floor to speak for
thirty minutes based on green snacking, based on you know,
(20:42):
a plant based approach. I'll have the stage for that
long of a time to be able to talk about
what I've been crafting here, delicious flavorful plant based dessert.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Right, look at guys, I'm teja. My moth is dropped
open because that is like, you can't buy that. That
is awesome. You don't know how you would submitted. You
don't know how they contacted, but the opportunity is going
to be made available for you to present your caddra
now internationally.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yes, internationally. So they're gonna have thirty thousand buyers from
fifty different countries at the show. So that tells you
the magnitude of this show.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Wow. Okay, that's one place, ladies and gentlemen, I'm just
telling you about the dreamer here Doctor Chica's Bakery Cookies
Canada Minority Program. You were selected to be part of
the trade show for the Minority Supplier program in Toronto.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yes, that's in Toronto, Canada. That's the first week of September.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Again, do what you want to do?
Speaker 2 (21:46):
To me?
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Is like, m no, no, this is amazing stuff you
just said to buy. Now you're in Canada and you
and you just the cookie lady.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Okay, yes, I'm the cookie lady. Yes. And there are
very few brands that are plant based, but there are
a lot of people in Canada that are plant based,
and so they have an initiative to bring as many products,
even if they have to import them into the country.
And we were selected for this program and being a
minority female, oh my gosh, that really just floored me
(22:21):
to be a part of this program in general to
bring more plant based products to Canada.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
And so when you go there with your product, you
told about the number of buyers that are going to
be in the buy potentially internationally. What is the Canada
Minority program. What are you presenting to them? And who's
going to see your product?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Okay, So we have appointments, they already have appointments set
up with buyers that are already ready for our products.
They're already ready. They're going to be closing deals in Canada.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Congratulations, you know, just an idea. You didn't think you
was a cook. I just got to keep rehashing your
story got laid off COVID, one of the most one
of the darkest moments in the history of this country.
And then you just start doing pop ups in LA
And when somebody asked you to do something, you didn't hesitate.
If you if you didn't do it right, you learned
(23:13):
how to do it. If that cake didn't taste good,
you threw it in the trash. You was not going
to deliver a cake that didn't taste good. And now
some major corporations speaking, let's talk about that.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Kelloggs Yes, Mars Yes, on.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
The green snacking. Now, this is a young lady, ladies
and gentlemen. Doctor Shika didn't even have a passport in January.
And I'm not saying that as a putdown. I'm just
saying that it could all. It can happen for anyone
who's listening to this show if they believe it. If
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they don't, let Na says step in the way up
their opportunities. Don't let negative moments. See this is it.
I'm going back to whatever I was supposed to do.
This is not going to work. And now you are
being presented to youself. So what's the what's the endgame
for this? When you when I'm when I'm saying all
this information to you, you you're having fundraising opportunities presented
(24:15):
for your product. You're going to be in Dubai, You're
going to be in Canada, Calloggs Mars, You're going to
be in forty one hundred stores. What is the ultimate
blessing for your future? My frame, because you are definitely
being blessed.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yes, God is good, all glory to him. My goal
really is to be like the Betty Crocker or the
Nabisco of plant based cookies. So whenever you walk into
your grocery store, whether you're looking for a cookie mix,
brownie mix, cake mix, you're looking for cookies ready to eat,
whatever you're looking for, we're able to provide that. But
(24:50):
to also be able to have my face is the
logo on the product, you know, for my kids and
grandkids legacy. I mean, that's that's my goal, as well
as to be able to give back to the community.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah, and that's really important. So the flavors are do
you have any like are you gonna do any seasonal stuff?
Because time of the year. Some people do, like you know,
Little Chick Fi lady, they got the seasonal stuff and
a lot of products do that. We are what are
your seasonal products you have coming up?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Let me tell you a little bit about it. So,
for like our holiday flavors. We have a really nice
hot chocolate cookie. It kind of reminds you of a
cup of hot chocolate. It has chocolate, dark chocolate chips,
white chocolate chips. But when you have one or primise,
you can't eat just one. We have red building cookies
coming down the pipeline. We also have our banana pudding cookies.
(25:42):
So we have some really good flavors that are going
to be around for the holidays. So yeah, get ready.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
And they've become popular, they become part of the regular.
If they become that popular, you're just going to stay seasonal.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Oh well, you know what, if we need to continue
to we would like to roll them out as a
permanent item. But we have a lot of plans for
you know, definitely limited editions as well, so we'll see
how it goes.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Well. My friend, I can tell you how it's going
right now. It seems like it's going fantastic and I'm
so happy you took the time in your busy schedule
because obviously you need a passport. And because you're about
to go on your road show. You about forty one
hundred and twenty stores, you going to Canada, you going
to Dubai. And I've interviewed a lot of people on
(26:30):
this show, and you know, everybody has a dream. I
have a dream. And this show is about money making
conversation master class and people tell their secrets to success.
And if you have to see your secrets is to success?
What would you say it is?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I'm gonna say, stay prayed up. That's what that's that's
the most important. Like before I start my day, when
I sit in my chair, but in front of us computer,
I'm like, Jesus, take the whill because like you're you're
challenged the day. You're working with fenders, you're working with retailers,
you're working with buyers, you're working with so many personalities,
(27:07):
so many timelines. So you gotta have fans, you know
what I mean. Because it's not easy. It's not an
easy thing, and especially for you know Minardi female, it's
even harder. It's even harder for us. And so you know,
just stay prayed up. That's the best advice I can get.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
And then follow that up with a lot of hard work.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Okay, exactly a lot of hard work.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Doctor. Thank you for coming on much your money Making
Conversations master life and good luck, and I wish and
send me some postcards you know, when you're in Dubai,
when you're in Canada, you know, don't forget about a brother.
This has been another edition of Money Making Conversation Masterclass
posted by me Rashaun McDonald. Thank you to our guests
on the show today and thank you listening to audience now.
(27:52):
If you want to listen to any episode I want
to be a guest on the show, Visit Moneymaking Conversations
dot com. Our social media handle is money Making Conversation.
Join us next week and remember to always leave with
your gifts. Keep winning.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
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