October 10, 2025 • 29 mins
Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Michael Woodward.
He is the founder of Woodward Property Group, and discusses his journey from poverty to entrepreneurship, his success in real estate, and his commitment to education.
🔑 Key Themes & Highlights
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From Poverty to Business Success
- Grew up in Miami’s Liberty City, learning business skills from his grandmother, who ran a small candy shop in the projects.
- Used his experiences to build a career in real estate and education.
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Educational & Entrepreneurial Journey
- Founded Alpha Educational Consultants, a tutoring company that expanded into real estate consulting.
- Mentored students, led college tours, and helped individuals navigate property investments.
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Building Wealth Through Real Estate
- Purchased his first duplex at 20, living rent-free while tenants covered the mortgage.
- Continued acquiring properties, eventually amassing over $1 million in real estate assets.
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Woodward Property Group & Lowe’s Partnership
- Transitioned into property management and home improvement, securing a contract with Lowe’s to renovate high-end kitchens.
- Expanded his business to manage multiple Lowe’s locations across Atlanta.
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Lessons in Business & Financial Growth
- Emphasized the importance of credit management and strategic investments.
- Encouraged aspiring entrepreneurs to take calculated risks and seek mentorship.
📘 About Michael Woodward
Michael Woodward is a real estate investor, educator, and entrepreneur based in Atlanta. Through Woodward Property Group, he provides property management and home improvement services, while continuing his mission to mentor and uplift communities through education and financial literacy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Rashan McDonald, a host the weekly Money Making
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My guest today has two successful companies we're going to
discuss in this journey from poverty to academics and entrepreneur
success is what we're talking about on this show. What
Would Property Group is a full service home improvement and
property management company that also is a loads contractor. He
(00:44):
is also the founder and CEO of Alpha Educational Consultants, Inc.
A company that was started in graduate school by him
as a tutoring company for K through twelve students and colleges.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Check this out now.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
It assists individuals and purchasing, renovating cost calculation, and maximizing
profits in real estate. This brother's dynamic. Please welcome the
Money Making Conversations Master Class. Michael Woodwood, How you doing, sir?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I'm doing great in yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Well, you know when I, hey, May, I hope I
didn't hype you up too much?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Man?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Did I hype you up too much?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
That?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Michael? No, I don't know who you were talking about.
I said that it sounded like me, but it might
not leave me.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
You know, it's always a journey to get to where
you're going. Because the word poverty, you know, I grew
up in I wouldn't say poverty. So give you some
definitions of what poverty is?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Well, I mean, you know, we we have two definitions
of poverty. We have the one that the government states,
they give you an actual number. You know, I think
it's about fifty thousand dollars right about now. Anybody below
that is living in poverty. But then you know, when
we look where we actually live poverty, poverty is you know,
you're not don't necessarily know where your next meal coming from,
(01:57):
right you know? And and the sad part about it
is a lot of people living in poverty don't know
that they're impoverished because everybody around them looks just like
them and we have the same problems. So you know,
when we look at poverty, every multiple ways to look
at it, different views.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Now what tells your background, or you're a native from Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Are you from.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
The general area in the south, tells your background as
you went through and started realizing that where you were
at was not the end game for.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
You, right, Well, I am originally from Miami, Florida, and
I was born in West Palm Beach, which is, you know,
about sixty miles north of there. But my dad was
from Miami. So we grew up in Miami, and we
started out and was known as the Poking Bean Projects,
which is one of the worst projects in Miami. And
(02:49):
you know, I learned a lot of business by watching
my grandmother because she was the candy lady in the projects.
So I saw her conduct business and I saw her
handle business at a very young age. Luckily, my dad
was able to get us out of that situation. We
did have a house, but we were still in Liberty City,
which is, you know, a lower socioeconomic part of Miami.
(03:09):
So I grew up, you know, right down the street
from the projects, and I grew up literally in property
by the government standard, but by my standard, I was happy.
I had a great life.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Right because let's give us some background, like Liberty City.
If you don't know, it's known for employing a lot
of professional athletes in the NFL. Oh the city is
would turn Miami into you, you know, because Jimmy Johnson
was cruiting all those black athletes right there, right there,
So just give you a talent base. The athletic and
(03:43):
the physical tools were there for students. It wasn't being
recognized and supported because the academic challenges that were also
being presented in that community. Now talk about your grandma,
you talk about the candid lady. Give me a little
background on what you meant when you say the candid lady.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
The candidate, Well, you know it was an illegal hustle,
you know, because you're not supposed to do that out
of the projects, but you know people did it. She
sold those frozen cubs, Lily Dilly's flips, whatever you want
to call it. You know, she had a candy table
full of candy, hot sausage, pig feet, all the stuff
that bring black folks down.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Pig feet, you said, man, you brought back You really
worried poverty, brother, because I was went to with that.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Pig feet go down. I know that deal. People stick
that peppin stick in the middle of that bad.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Boy come on with that man.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
You know we're talking the same conversations there.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Speak with them.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Come on, Mike, come on that brother. You make him smile.
Bro we talk light.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
We we spend our pig feet bowls and our counterparts
on the other side of the track, they spend our
sunflower seeds.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
They got the life, Like you said, you know, everybody
looked like you. They look like I always tell people
about myself is that you know. I get on the
bus city bus in Houston, Texas.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Everybody in that bus was black.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
When they let me off downtown in Houston, Texas, everybody
got off that bus was black.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Everybody that area I walked.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Around shopping was black. So all I knew was the
black experience. Absolutely, and guess what, was very comfortable with that.
But that is not the experience that's gonna get you
to the next level. Exactly when did the academics start
to play a role in your life, Michael, Well.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
The academics played a role when I got in corporate
and I saw my car as compared. I know, the
Bible said we should not look at other people and
judge gets other people, But I looked at the car
I was driving in the car, what these corporate lawyers
were driving and sometimes their assistance. And I said, you know,
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it's got to be a better way. You know, it's
got to be a way I was doing. Okay, I
had a house and all that, I was going to
community college, doing the things I was supposed to do.
But I said, it has to be a better way.
So I wanted to make sure that I did get
a top level education so I can come back and
compete with those folks because I don't like to be outdone. Brother,
(06:04):
Now who then?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I think that that's what drives us a lot of people,
one of the reasons as an entrepreneur, that's what you are,
your entrepreneur. Yes, you grew up like I did in
a structure for they our week schedule within for one k,
the health benefits, that's that pushes us in a lifestyle
that's going to be set Corege. Did you realize, hey,
(06:28):
I can do more than this, Michael.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
I realized when I hit the campus of Florida A
and M University that I had to make a difference.
And how would I go back and reach back to
those folks I left behind or either people in the
city that were similar to the path that I was taking.
How can I help that? And and you know, my
goal was I had. I had a five year plan,
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go to school, become an architect, then becoming a real
estate attorney, and then make my money in real estate.
That was my goal. But I talked to one of
my fraternity brothers who was my professor. He was only
two years older than me, and you know, he asked me,
did I want to go to law school to make
money or to make a difference? And I said I
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want to make a difference. He said, well, you can
make a difference in education versus going into the law field.
Because if you're not Johnny Cochran, he said, you're not
gonna make the money you think you're gonna make. And
so I actually had to take a hard look at it.
And when it got this book, and I still recommend
this book today to all students. It outlines all of
(07:37):
the professions. It tells you how much they make, what
are the qualifications, what's the longevity of the job, and
all those So I go and I get this book,
and I look in this book and I see that
he's right. So I made a cold hard change that
I'm going to go into education versus going to law school.
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And that's how I did. I went education, and I
mentor kids, and I help kids, and I put kids
in college. You know, for twenty years, I gave up
my spring break to take kids, most black kids, on
college tours across the country. So while all the other
teachers were relaxing, that's what I was doing, right And
(08:18):
in the summer, I would do STEM programs on college
university campuses to help students make that transition from high
school to college. Wow. So that's I spent my time
just donating to the kids, mentoring, coaching, all those things.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Telling you that this is Michael Woodwood. You know, he's
based out of Atlanta. His company is the Woodwood Property Group.
Now before I get in the details, now you said
there's a book that you recommend. Can you give us
the name of that book.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
That book is the Occupational Outlook Handbook. It's a real
thing book about him. I think it's one of the
old phone books, remember the old phone books before we
got in and THEE and all that. So it's a
really thick book, but it goes into detail about every
profession in the world.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
He breaks it down the direction that you're taking.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Us now you know, member of a FI A as right, okay,
hbc U family. Okay, the rats down now, okay, certain
now you have There's something you started in the graduate
school called the Alpha Alpha Alpha Educational Consultant. I know
where that alpha came from, Alpha educational something. Tell us
(09:30):
about that, because you've already talked about mentoring, You've already
talked about STEM, you've always talked about taking young students on.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
College ed college campuses.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Why did you start this and what exactly is it? Okay,
Olf Educational consultants and and let me let me be clear.
I love my OFF I love my AFI. But one
thing I learned from some other folks. You know, because
I talked about the phone book earlier, those folks have
a strategy for getting first on the list. So when
you look in the phone book, you on A you're
(10:00):
gonna see a A chen A chen A. There's a
strategy for putting A at the beginning of your corporate name.
You see what I'm saying. I learned that from some
other folks, right right, So let's start there. So we
got the corporate structure now, But I started off tutoring folks.
You know of course on campus. I did it for free.
(10:23):
But you know, as we matriculate, we learned that we
can't do everything for free because you end up working
yourself to death and then the poor. So I started
to I started charging. And then I moved to Atlanta
and I started charging here. And what I did was
I realized I was building wealth on my side hustle.
(10:45):
So I was a teacher by the day. And then
I opened ALF Educational Consultants and I had it was
called Alpha Learning and Tutoring Center, and I would tutor
people and I would get my friends that were teachers
and pay them the tutor.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
You know, hey, I'm charging students forty dollars an hour,
fifty dollars an hour, but I'll pay you twenty dollars
a thirty dollars an hour if you tutor them. So
I didn't have to do all the work. I just
made sure things happen. And so I ended up building,
you know, a small nest egg, and that's the money
that I would use to buy my real estate. I
(11:20):
would buy rental properties with those funds. So what we
did was we did SAT prep, act prep, we did
college tours, we did of course, the tutoring and anything
related to education. But I also helped other folks start
businesses because that falls under educational consulting as well. I
used to do people's five oh one c threes, their
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articles of incorporation, do their tax deferment forms. All those
things I would do for a fee, and I did
them at night, and that's how I built my wealth.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Well, it's great. First of all, you're a great storyteller.
You've already given us information. There's a manual you've told
us about that. You told us about structure, you talked
about planning, and we just like ten minutes and this
is an interview. I'm already taking notes here, Michael. But
managing two business is always a task, ye you know,
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because first of all, you can't do it by yourself.
So how does one balance that and also realize that
because a lot of people, out of fear, don't want
to do more.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
But you are willing to take on the responsibility.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Like you said, you had a full time job and
you started this, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
This consulting agency for academic training.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Why well, you know it goes back to that decision
I made, and I want to make sure I mentioned
David Jackson, who's the current provost of North Carolina Central University.
That was a long, hard conversation we had, and when
I made that decision to go into education, that was
a commitment to my children that I would be able
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to spend time with them. So it made it a
lot easier because the two professions were in the twine.
While I'm teaching, coaching and then tutoring and things of
that nature. So I had the time, I had the
spring breaks, I had the summers, I had Thanksgiving, so
we always did things, and then I was able to
bring my kids along with me, so my kids were
(13:18):
able to experience a whole lot of colleges and university campuses.
They got to experience the tours and things of that nature.
So it was a challenge, but it was doable.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Now, first of all, what were property management? Okay, okay,
now you've already told us ro shut and I had
a full time job. Then I started just looking this
tutoring that sat Prepp and all that stuff. Hired other
people to do the work. I just took basically my commission.
I managed it. Use that money to start getting my
rental properties to get correct. So when you were doing
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that what were people saying about you?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Were they they sayers?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Were people telling you you're gonna wear yourself out early grave?
What were people saying, Michael?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah, people, it's funny because and I'm gonna go back
because I want to make sure I cover this topic. Well.
I went to the military from seventeen to nineteen years old.
So when I come home, this was before we had
ATMs and things like that. I had these checks that
were uncashed. So I went to a cousin of mine
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who was my mom's cousin. The husband was an insurance
agent and his wife was a financial planner. They helped
me invest this money. So by the time I was
twenty years old, I had enough money to buy my
first house. I bought a duplex. And ironically, this is
the same strategy. If you get on Instagram or any
one of these social media you will hear people telling
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these same stories today. I bought at twenty years old,
I bought a duplex and I renovated it myself based
on what I learned from the work from my grandfather,
my great uncle. Because as a kid in Palm Beach County,
you know, we always talk about Mara a Lago and
all this my grandfather was the right hand man, maintenance man,
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whatever you want to call it for the Donna Hughes family.
So what we would do is on Saturdays, that's how
I would get money. I would go to work with
my grandfather and my great uncle. They worked me all
day and give me ten dollars at the end of
the day. But I learned a lot about renovations and
fixing things. So when I bought my first property at
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twenty years old, I ended up living rent free because
my tenant paid the mortgage okay, And then at twenty
two I did it again the same thing. So by
the time I packed it up from Miami to move
to Fort Locke, I meanto Tallahassee. To fam you, I
was a college student, a junior, but I already owned
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two properties and both of them were income producing. All
of the money are the funds that I would make
from olf educational consultants. I would save and buy new properties.
So my cousins and my friends at my age, they
pick at me because I didn't wear the latest clothes,
(16:15):
the latest style, because I put my money in real estate.
But I was the only one at twenty two, twenty
three years old owning not one, but two properties in
my circle. So I really didn't care what they thought
about me because I had an end goal and to
tie it all together. My cousin got married in Miami,
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probably about eight years ago, and I went to Miami
to the wedding and I ran into a friend of
mine from fam you and at the wad in the
first thing she said, because she follows me on social
media and see my properties. She said, I remember when
you said you were going to be a real estate
title and you were going to retire early. She said,
(16:59):
you said you was gonna reach tire in forty I said, no,
I didn't make it. You know, I failed at it,
but I retired at forty two.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I'd love it.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
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Speaker 2 (17:26):
Well, you know, first of all, let's put the right time.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Michael.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
You're visionary, Yes, who did it? And your visionary because
you're seeing things that somehow through your logic you figured
it out.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
This is not in the book. You didn't learn this
in the book. You just learned this through listening, mentoring, mentoring,
and then application and then trusted your natural instincts, which
a lot of people don't do.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
And okay, application of knowledge absolutely, And that's what I said.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
And I also said that missing I'll said, your company
is Woodwood Property Group, that correct management.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Early, I apologize w P. That's another company. They do
bad business. I get a lot of their calls. They
are doing something right over there.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I want to get that great Woodwood Property Group.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Group now woo Wood Property Management.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
And as a full service home improvement and property management company.
There are a lows contractors explain that relationship.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Okay, So what I did was, as I indicated, I
was a school teacher and I begin I was in
this assistant prince as well. I would renovate houses on
the side. Like every few years, I buy a house
and I go in there at night and I renovate it.
Sometimes I take my kids, you know, we go we
paint and putting in floors, things of that nature. So
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I learned that over well, I did that over and
over and over again until I was able to amass
over a million dollars in property. And then that's what
helped me be able to retire, to just live off
my rental income because my rental income had surpassed what
Gwenett County Public Schools was paying me. So I was
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making more money on my side hustle than I was
on my main hustle. So that's why I decided to leave.
But to answer your question, is I went out there
just to do my property management, manage my properties, and
I had properties that some of my fraternity brothers and
friends left me because remember when the boom, when the
(19:29):
real estate market crashed. You know, people jobs are still
transferring them in and out of town, but they can't
sell the house because they were upside down underwater. So
I said, hey, let me put a tenant in there,
and then you just pay me ten percent and I'll
make sure your property is done. We'll do inspections, we'll
make sure you're getting your mortgage paid. So that's how
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I built my business. And then I came across this
one gentleman who was a he was a VP for lows.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
He was buying a house that needed some work on it.
The realtor connected us and I did the work and
he liked me so much. He said, man, why don't
you come over the lows And I said, well, I
tried to get on with them, you know, as an
installer or whatever. He said, Oh, no, you don't want
to do that. I said really, He said, yeah. What
(20:21):
I want you to do is I want you to
do kitchens in bath.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
He said, oh, that's what everybody else told me to
do it that way.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
What are you love? When you talking to the right
people the right people? And this was a brother. The
brother said, I'm gonna put you down and we gonna
call you, And so I thought he was just talking
because it's Atlanta. A lot of people just talk, you
know what I mean, this Atlanta, you know how coach man?
They called me. I go in for the interview, you know,
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and the guy asked me one question, and this shook
my world. He said, can you do high end kitchens?
Now I'm a pause right there because I renovated many
a kitchen. But what's your definition of high end? And
(21:09):
how much we talking? So, you know, I remember what
another gentleman told me. He said, you don't have to
know everything. You just get the people in your corner
that knows it. So my response was, yes, sir, I
know how to do high end kitchens.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I love you, Michael.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
So I left there and I called my other guy
friend that was a contractor. I knew he did high
end kitchen. He does custom work. I said, look, man,
I just scored this contract with loads to do kitchens.
He said, oh yeah, yeah, congratulates. I said, but they
won't to know if I can do high end kitchens.
I said, I ain't never did a high end kitchen.
He said, I don't worry about it. I'll help you
(21:50):
with it, no problem. And from their head, I did
them kitchens. And I started with one store, and then
I ended up with seven stores. Wow, because everybody there
they're they're twenty six stores in metro Atlanta. I had
seven of them, and I was the only one that
looked like you and me the only contractor. Because first
(22:13):
of all, so that that was a very very good run,
and I ran that for a number of years.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Oh yeah, I want I want to I want to
stop you right there, because this is what a lot
of people fail, Michael. You know what I'm saying. They
get an opportunity, they either run from it out of
fear and don't take a deep breath. Right what you
did at me you took a deep breath. You go,
what exactly is high end? You asked the next question
and say, nah, that ain't me. Thanks for the opportunity,
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and people school on out that door, you know, right,
but you took that deep breath and we needed That's
a defining moment in this conversation, from being in seven
low stores, from being another guy just out on the
streets trying to get back in talk to us.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Okay, so when we look at a high end kitchen,
for since, a basic ten ten kitchen might run you
about twenty five thousand dollars. That's an average kitchen. You know,
if you talk about an apartment or a condo, you
can get down to twelve thousand, fifteen thousand, But an
average kitchen ten by ten, it's probably about twenty five thousand.
(23:18):
A high end kitchen gonna run you over one hundred
thousand dollars. You know, I've done kitchens is high as
three hundred thousand dollars. But when you look at let's
just say the appliances for instance, you know, I just
bought a refrigerator from my rental property the other day,
brand new whatever, eleven hundred dollars, right, Chrome refrigerator because
(23:42):
somebody broke in and stole one of my houses in Lathonia.
But that's a whole nother story. It cost me eleven
hundred dollars to replace their refrigerator brand new, a high
end refrigerator. When you talk about like sub zero and
this and that, those refrigerators, twenty five thirty thousand dollars, right,
just a refrigerator. Right, then you throw in, you know,
(24:03):
a sixty thousand dollars stove. You see what I'm saying.
So there are some appliances that cost just as much
as some people houses. Right, So when we talk about
high end kitchens, that's what I'm talking about. When you
need four guys to come to put this stove in,
you know, ain't one guy in the truck in a
forklift or a dollary. You need four guys, six guys,
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because that's how big these stoves are.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
These girls out the area so the stove can get in.
You know, right that too has that island, you know,
because these are there.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Stove right they're not and it takes planning. You know,
you could put the island in and realize I don't
have enough room to put the stove in now you
got Tede Island back out that you already put in.
You know, so you gotta know what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Michael.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
You know you're so inspirational and so comfortable in your skin.
That's why that's where successful. Man, it's it's I would
tell you this, man. I can sit up and talk
to you, and watch a football game with you, and go.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
To church with you.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Never look at you. Some pig feeds with you.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Okay, oh yeah, I still big feet.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Come on, man, you're dangerous brother. I still eat titlings. Now,
I'm just I draw the line there.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I draw the line there.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Okay, you eat pig feeds, but you need to be
aligned with tilers.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I got to throw the line somewhere.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I got you all line somewhere because we don't wanta
died that.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Fans don't wanta died it because one of them gonna
kill us a pig.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Don't all that. I don't forget where I come from,
but some things I had to leave me.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
You know when you when you think about you as
an inspiration, because you're you're an inspiring person, Michael. You
know with with Proper Property Group, you know the uh
your consulting firm, and we're going to from academic and
then you took it over to real estate. Your common sense.
When you're giving advice to people in the business, what
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is the most consistent thing that you tell them?
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Michael, Well, there's two things I tell them. First of all,
never give up, never give up. Secondly, protect your credit
because credit is everything. When I first started this business, man,
it was so hard to get stuff because everybody want
to pull your credit and you can only put so
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many houses on your personal credit, you know. So I
struggled with that. You know. I would get jobs sometimes
that I didn't have the tools, but I didn't have
a credit card to put on putting the tool on
a credit card, So I do the work and not
make any money because I had to buy the tools.
You see what I'm saying. So I encourage people not
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to be in that position. But if you are in
that position, don't give up. Find a way finding help.
Ask people. And I found out a whole lot of
information by asking people. You know, they got folks out
there buying houses that don't have any income right right right.
Because there are financial programs that you can use and
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I've utilized them. And what I've done was I managed
to get my credit up and I don't have those
problems anymore. But a lot of people have them and
I just tell them, don't give up. Cool.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Well, I'm gonna tell you something. I won't give up
on our relationship because we tried to help that brother.
I met you them Atlanta women, and you came up
and you said, I do your show.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I said, yes, sir, what do you do? You told
me articulated what it is you do.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Really, you know, when you're a humble guy, you don't
really lay it out.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
But brother, you are you the truth? Man.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Have been told to you, but you the truth, and
I want to I want to make sure I'm a
bullhorn for you for anything that you do.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
But again, tell people to get in touch with you man,
and it's yes, sir, you wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Property Group woodwork Roup dot com and I have a
wonderful young lady, Sierra. She's been with me several years.
She will make sure and put you in touch with
me Woodword Propertygroup dot com or you can call me
at six seven eight four three nine eight zero zero
three six seven eight four three nine eight zero zero three.
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We're also on Instagram. At Woodwork PG. We're on Facebook
at Woodward Property Group, so you can find us all
kinds of ways. And look, here's one of the things
I tell people. My number has been the same for
twenty three years. Come on, my number has been the
same twenty three years. I ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I know that's right, brother, hey man, you stay strong.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Thank you for coming on Money Making Conversations Masterclass, because you,
my friend, are truly a master.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yes, sir, and you call me back anytime. I'd love
to come back.
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My guest today has two successful companies we're going to
discuss in this journey from poverty to academics and entrepreneur
success is what we're talking about on this show. What
Would Property Group is a full service home improvement and
property management company that also is a loads contractor. He
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is also the founder and CEO of Alpha Educational Consultants, Inc.
A company that was started in graduate school by him
as a tutoring company for K through twelve students and colleges.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Check this out now.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
It assists individuals and purchasing, renovating cost calculation, and maximizing
profits in real estate. This brother's dynamic. Please welcome the
Money Making Conversations Master Class. Michael Woodwood, How you doing, sir?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I'm doing great in yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Well, you know when I, hey, May, I hope I
didn't hype you up too much?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Man?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Did I hype you up too much?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
That?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Michael? No, I don't know who you were talking about.
I said that it sounded like me, but it might
not leave me.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
You know, it's always a journey to get to where
you're going. Because the word poverty, you know, I grew
up in I wouldn't say poverty. So give you some
definitions of what poverty is?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Well, I mean, you know, we we have two definitions
of poverty. We have the one that the government states,
they give you an actual number. You know, I think
it's about fifty thousand dollars right about now. Anybody below
that is living in poverty. But then you know, when
we look where we actually live poverty, poverty is you know,
you're not don't necessarily know where your next meal coming from,
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right you know? And and the sad part about it
is a lot of people living in poverty don't know
that they're impoverished because everybody around them looks just like
them and we have the same problems. So you know,
when we look at poverty, every multiple ways to look
at it, different views.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Now what tells your background, or you're a native from Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Are you from.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
The general area in the south, tells your background as
you went through and started realizing that where you were
at was not the end game for.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
You, right, Well, I am originally from Miami, Florida, and
I was born in West Palm Beach, which is, you know,
about sixty miles north of there. But my dad was
from Miami. So we grew up in Miami, and we
started out and was known as the Poking Bean Projects,
which is one of the worst projects in Miami. And
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you know, I learned a lot of business by watching
my grandmother because she was the candy lady in the projects.
So I saw her conduct business and I saw her
handle business at a very young age. Luckily, my dad
was able to get us out of that situation. We
did have a house, but we were still in Liberty City,
which is, you know, a lower socioeconomic part of Miami.
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So I grew up, you know, right down the street
from the projects, and I grew up literally in property
by the government standard, but by my standard, I was happy.
I had a great life.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Right because let's give us some background, like Liberty City.
If you don't know, it's known for employing a lot
of professional athletes in the NFL. Oh the city is
would turn Miami into you, you know, because Jimmy Johnson
was cruiting all those black athletes right there, right there,
So just give you a talent base. The athletic and
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the physical tools were there for students. It wasn't being
recognized and supported because the academic challenges that were also
being presented in that community. Now talk about your grandma,
you talk about the candid lady. Give me a little
background on what you meant when you say the candid lady.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
The candidate, Well, you know it was an illegal hustle,
you know, because you're not supposed to do that out
of the projects, but you know people did it. She
sold those frozen cubs, Lily Dilly's flips, whatever you want
to call it. You know, she had a candy table
full of candy, hot sausage, pig feet, all the stuff
that bring black folks down.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Pig feet, you said, man, you brought back You really
worried poverty, brother, because I was went to with that.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Pig feet go down. I know that deal. People stick
that peppin stick in the middle of that bad.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Boy come on with that man.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
You know we're talking the same conversations there.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Speak with them.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Come on, Mike, come on that brother. You make him smile.
Bro we talk light.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
We we spend our pig feet bowls and our counterparts
on the other side of the track, they spend our
sunflower seeds.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
They got the life, Like you said, you know, everybody
looked like you. They look like I always tell people
about myself is that you know. I get on the
bus city bus in Houston, Texas.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Everybody in that bus was black.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
When they let me off downtown in Houston, Texas, everybody
got off that bus was black.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Everybody that area I walked.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Around shopping was black. So all I knew was the
black experience. Absolutely, and guess what, was very comfortable with that.
But that is not the experience that's gonna get you
to the next level. Exactly when did the academics start
to play a role in your life, Michael, Well.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
The academics played a role when I got in corporate
and I saw my car as compared. I know, the
Bible said we should not look at other people and
judge gets other people, But I looked at the car
I was driving in the car, what these corporate lawyers
were driving and sometimes their assistance. And I said, you know,
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it's got to be a better way. You know, it's
got to be a way I was doing. Okay, I
had a house and all that, I was going to
community college, doing the things I was supposed to do.
But I said, it has to be a better way.
So I wanted to make sure that I did get
a top level education so I can come back and
compete with those folks because I don't like to be outdone. Brother,
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Now who then?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I think that that's what drives us a lot of people,
one of the reasons as an entrepreneur, that's what you are,
your entrepreneur. Yes, you grew up like I did in
a structure for they our week schedule within for one k,
the health benefits, that's that pushes us in a lifestyle
that's going to be set Corege. Did you realize, hey,
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I can do more than this, Michael.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
I realized when I hit the campus of Florida A
and M University that I had to make a difference.
And how would I go back and reach back to
those folks I left behind or either people in the
city that were similar to the path that I was taking.
How can I help that? And and you know, my
goal was I had. I had a five year plan,
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go to school, become an architect, then becoming a real
estate attorney, and then make my money in real estate.
That was my goal. But I talked to one of
my fraternity brothers who was my professor. He was only
two years older than me, and you know, he asked me,
did I want to go to law school to make
money or to make a difference? And I said I
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want to make a difference. He said, well, you can
make a difference in education versus going into the law field.
Because if you're not Johnny Cochran, he said, you're not
gonna make the money you think you're gonna make. And
so I actually had to take a hard look at it.
And when it got this book, and I still recommend
this book today to all students. It outlines all of
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the professions. It tells you how much they make, what
are the qualifications, what's the longevity of the job, and
all those So I go and I get this book,
and I look in this book and I see that
he's right. So I made a cold hard change that
I'm going to go into education versus going to law school.
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And that's how I did. I went education, and I
mentor kids, and I help kids, and I put kids
in college. You know, for twenty years, I gave up
my spring break to take kids, most black kids, on
college tours across the country. So while all the other
teachers were relaxing, that's what I was doing, right And
(08:18):
in the summer, I would do STEM programs on college
university campuses to help students make that transition from high
school to college. Wow. So that's I spent my time
just donating to the kids, mentoring, coaching, all those things.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Telling you that this is Michael Woodwood. You know, he's
based out of Atlanta. His company is the Woodwood Property Group.
Now before I get in the details, now you said
there's a book that you recommend. Can you give us
the name of that book.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
That book is the Occupational Outlook Handbook. It's a real
thing book about him. I think it's one of the
old phone books, remember the old phone books before we
got in and THEE and all that. So it's a
really thick book, but it goes into detail about every
profession in the world.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
He breaks it down the direction that you're taking.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Us now you know, member of a FI A as right, okay,
hbc U family. Okay, the rats down now, okay, certain
now you have There's something you started in the graduate
school called the Alpha Alpha Alpha Educational Consultant. I know
where that alpha came from, Alpha educational something. Tell us
(09:30):
about that, because you've already talked about mentoring, You've already
talked about STEM, you've always talked about taking young students on.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
College ed college campuses.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Why did you start this and what exactly is it? Okay,
Olf Educational consultants and and let me let me be clear.
I love my OFF I love my AFI. But one
thing I learned from some other folks. You know, because
I talked about the phone book earlier, those folks have
a strategy for getting first on the list. So when
you look in the phone book, you on A you're
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gonna see a A chen A chen A. There's a
strategy for putting A at the beginning of your corporate name.
You see what I'm saying. I learned that from some
other folks, right right, So let's start there. So we
got the corporate structure now, But I started off tutoring folks.
You know of course on campus. I did it for free.
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But you know, as we matriculate, we learned that we
can't do everything for free because you end up working
yourself to death and then the poor. So I started
to I started charging. And then I moved to Atlanta
and I started charging here. And what I did was
I realized I was building wealth on my side hustle.
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So I was a teacher by the day. And then
I opened ALF Educational Consultants and I had it was
called Alpha Learning and Tutoring Center, and I would tutor
people and I would get my friends that were teachers
and pay them the tutor.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
You know, hey, I'm charging students forty dollars an hour,
fifty dollars an hour, but I'll pay you twenty dollars
a thirty dollars an hour if you tutor them. So
I didn't have to do all the work. I just
made sure things happen. And so I ended up building,
you know, a small nest egg, and that's the money
that I would use to buy my real estate. I
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would buy rental properties with those funds. So what we
did was we did SAT prep, act prep, we did
college tours, we did of course, the tutoring and anything
related to education. But I also helped other folks start
businesses because that falls under educational consulting as well. I
used to do people's five oh one c threes, their
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articles of incorporation, do their tax deferment forms. All those
things I would do for a fee, and I did
them at night, and that's how I built my wealth.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Well, it's great. First of all, you're a great storyteller.
You've already given us information. There's a manual you've told
us about that. You told us about structure, you talked
about planning, and we just like ten minutes and this
is an interview. I'm already taking notes here, Michael. But
managing two business is always a task, ye you know,
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because first of all, you can't do it by yourself.
So how does one balance that and also realize that
because a lot of people, out of fear, don't want
to do more.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
But you are willing to take on the responsibility.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Like you said, you had a full time job and
you started this, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
This consulting agency for academic training.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Why well, you know it goes back to that decision
I made, and I want to make sure I mentioned
David Jackson, who's the current provost of North Carolina Central University.
That was a long, hard conversation we had, and when
I made that decision to go into education, that was
a commitment to my children that I would be able
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to spend time with them. So it made it a
lot easier because the two professions were in the twine.
While I'm teaching, coaching and then tutoring and things of
that nature. So I had the time, I had the
spring breaks, I had the summers, I had Thanksgiving, so
we always did things, and then I was able to
bring my kids along with me, so my kids were
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able to experience a whole lot of colleges and university campuses.
They got to experience the tours and things of that nature.
So it was a challenge, but it was doable.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Now, first of all, what were property management? Okay, okay,
now you've already told us ro shut and I had
a full time job. Then I started just looking this
tutoring that sat Prepp and all that stuff. Hired other
people to do the work. I just took basically my commission.
I managed it. Use that money to start getting my
rental properties to get correct. So when you were doing
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that what were people saying about you?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Were they they sayers?
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Were people telling you you're gonna wear yourself out early grave?
What were people saying, Michael?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah, people, it's funny because and I'm gonna go back
because I want to make sure I cover this topic. Well.
I went to the military from seventeen to nineteen years old.
So when I come home, this was before we had
ATMs and things like that. I had these checks that
were uncashed. So I went to a cousin of mine
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who was my mom's cousin. The husband was an insurance
agent and his wife was a financial planner. They helped
me invest this money. So by the time I was
twenty years old, I had enough money to buy my
first house. I bought a duplex. And ironically, this is
the same strategy. If you get on Instagram or any
one of these social media you will hear people telling
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these same stories today. I bought at twenty years old,
I bought a duplex and I renovated it myself based
on what I learned from the work from my grandfather,
my great uncle. Because as a kid in Palm Beach County,
you know, we always talk about Mara a Lago and
all this my grandfather was the right hand man, maintenance man,
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whatever you want to call it for the Donna Hughes family.
So what we would do is on Saturdays, that's how
I would get money. I would go to work with
my grandfather and my great uncle. They worked me all
day and give me ten dollars at the end of
the day. But I learned a lot about renovations and
fixing things. So when I bought my first property at
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twenty years old, I ended up living rent free because
my tenant paid the mortgage okay, And then at twenty
two I did it again the same thing. So by
the time I packed it up from Miami to move
to Fort Locke, I meanto Tallahassee. To fam you, I
was a college student, a junior, but I already owned
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two properties and both of them were income producing. All
of the money are the funds that I would make
from olf educational consultants. I would save and buy new properties.
So my cousins and my friends at my age, they
pick at me because I didn't wear the latest clothes,
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the latest style, because I put my money in real estate.
But I was the only one at twenty two, twenty
three years old owning not one, but two properties in
my circle. So I really didn't care what they thought
about me because I had an end goal and to
tie it all together. My cousin got married in Miami,
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probably about eight years ago, and I went to Miami
to the wedding and I ran into a friend of
mine from fam you and at the wad in the
first thing she said, because she follows me on social
media and see my properties. She said, I remember when
you said you were going to be a real estate
title and you were going to retire early. She said,
(16:59):
you said you was gonna reach tire in forty I said, no,
I didn't make it. You know, I failed at it,
but I retired at forty two.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I'd love it.
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Speaker 2 (17:26):
Well, you know, first of all, let's put the right time.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Michael.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
You're visionary, Yes, who did it? And your visionary because
you're seeing things that somehow through your logic you figured
it out.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
This is not in the book. You didn't learn this
in the book. You just learned this through listening, mentoring, mentoring,
and then application and then trusted your natural instincts, which
a lot of people don't do.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
And okay, application of knowledge absolutely, And that's what I said.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
And I also said that missing I'll said, your company
is Woodwood Property Group, that correct management.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Early, I apologize w P. That's another company. They do
bad business. I get a lot of their calls. They
are doing something right over there.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I want to get that great Woodwood Property Group.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Group now woo Wood Property Management.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
And as a full service home improvement and property management company.
There are a lows contractors explain that relationship.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Okay, So what I did was, as I indicated, I
was a school teacher and I begin I was in
this assistant prince as well. I would renovate houses on
the side. Like every few years, I buy a house
and I go in there at night and I renovate it.
Sometimes I take my kids, you know, we go we
paint and putting in floors, things of that nature. So
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I learned that over well, I did that over and
over and over again until I was able to amass
over a million dollars in property. And then that's what
helped me be able to retire, to just live off
my rental income because my rental income had surpassed what
Gwenett County Public Schools was paying me. So I was
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making more money on my side hustle than I was
on my main hustle. So that's why I decided to leave.
But to answer your question, is I went out there
just to do my property management, manage my properties, and
I had properties that some of my fraternity brothers and
friends left me because remember when the boom, when the
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real estate market crashed. You know, people jobs are still
transferring them in and out of town, but they can't
sell the house because they were upside down underwater. So
I said, hey, let me put a tenant in there,
and then you just pay me ten percent and I'll
make sure your property is done. We'll do inspections, we'll
make sure you're getting your mortgage paid. So that's how
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I built my business. And then I came across this
one gentleman who was a he was a VP for lows.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
He was buying a house that needed some work on it.
The realtor connected us and I did the work and
he liked me so much. He said, man, why don't
you come over the lows And I said, well, I
tried to get on with them, you know, as an
installer or whatever. He said, Oh, no, you don't want
to do that. I said really, He said, yeah. What
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I want you to do is I want you to
do kitchens in bath.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
He said, oh, that's what everybody else told me to
do it that way.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
What are you love? When you talking to the right
people the right people? And this was a brother. The
brother said, I'm gonna put you down and we gonna
call you, And so I thought he was just talking
because it's Atlanta. A lot of people just talk, you
know what I mean, this Atlanta, you know how coach man?
They called me. I go in for the interview, you know,
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and the guy asked me one question, and this shook
my world. He said, can you do high end kitchens?
Now I'm a pause right there because I renovated many
a kitchen. But what's your definition of high end? And
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how much we talking? So, you know, I remember what
another gentleman told me. He said, you don't have to
know everything. You just get the people in your corner
that knows it. So my response was, yes, sir, I
know how to do high end kitchens.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I love you, Michael.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
So I left there and I called my other guy
friend that was a contractor. I knew he did high
end kitchen. He does custom work. I said, look, man,
I just scored this contract with loads to do kitchens.
He said, oh yeah, yeah, congratulates. I said, but they
won't to know if I can do high end kitchens.
I said, I ain't never did a high end kitchen.
He said, I don't worry about it. I'll help you
(21:50):
with it, no problem. And from their head, I did
them kitchens. And I started with one store, and then
I ended up with seven stores. Wow, because everybody there
they're they're twenty six stores in metro Atlanta. I had
seven of them, and I was the only one that
looked like you and me the only contractor. Because first
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of all, so that that was a very very good run,
and I ran that for a number of years.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Oh yeah, I want I want to I want to
stop you right there, because this is what a lot
of people fail, Michael. You know what I'm saying. They
get an opportunity, they either run from it out of
fear and don't take a deep breath. Right what you
did at me you took a deep breath. You go,
what exactly is high end? You asked the next question
and say, nah, that ain't me. Thanks for the opportunity,
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and people school on out that door, you know, right,
but you took that deep breath and we needed That's
a defining moment in this conversation, from being in seven
low stores, from being another guy just out on the
streets trying to get back in talk to us.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Okay, so when we look at a high end kitchen,
for since, a basic ten ten kitchen might run you
about twenty five thousand dollars. That's an average kitchen. You know,
if you talk about an apartment or a condo, you
can get down to twelve thousand, fifteen thousand, But an
average kitchen ten by ten, it's probably about twenty five thousand.
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A high end kitchen gonna run you over one hundred
thousand dollars. You know, I've done kitchens is high as
three hundred thousand dollars. But when you look at let's
just say the appliances for instance, you know, I just
bought a refrigerator from my rental property the other day,
brand new whatever, eleven hundred dollars, right, Chrome refrigerator because
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somebody broke in and stole one of my houses in Lathonia.
But that's a whole nother story. It cost me eleven
hundred dollars to replace their refrigerator brand new, a high
end refrigerator. When you talk about like sub zero and
this and that, those refrigerators, twenty five thirty thousand dollars, right,
just a refrigerator. Right, then you throw in, you know,
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a sixty thousand dollars stove. You see what I'm saying.
So there are some appliances that cost just as much
as some people houses. Right, So when we talk about
high end kitchens, that's what I'm talking about. When you
need four guys to come to put this stove in,
you know, ain't one guy in the truck in a
forklift or a dollary. You need four guys, six guys,
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because that's how big these stoves are.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
These girls out the area so the stove can get in.
You know, right that too has that island, you know,
because these are there.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Stove right they're not and it takes planning. You know,
you could put the island in and realize I don't
have enough room to put the stove in now you
got Tede Island back out that you already put in.
You know, so you gotta know what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Michael.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
You know you're so inspirational and so comfortable in your skin.
That's why that's where successful. Man, it's it's I would
tell you this, man. I can sit up and talk
to you, and watch a football game with you, and go.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
To church with you.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Never look at you. Some pig feeds with you.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Okay, oh yeah, I still big feet.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Come on, man, you're dangerous brother. I still eat titlings. Now,
I'm just I draw the line there.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I draw the line there.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Okay, you eat pig feeds, but you need to be
aligned with tilers.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
I got to throw the line somewhere.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I got you all line somewhere because we don't wanta
died that.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Fans don't wanta died it because one of them gonna
kill us a pig.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Don't all that. I don't forget where I come from,
but some things I had to leave me.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
You know when you when you think about you as
an inspiration, because you're you're an inspiring person, Michael. You
know with with Proper Property Group, you know the uh
your consulting firm, and we're going to from academic and
then you took it over to real estate. Your common sense.
When you're giving advice to people in the business, what
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is the most consistent thing that you tell them?
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Michael, Well, there's two things I tell them. First of all,
never give up, never give up. Secondly, protect your credit
because credit is everything. When I first started this business, man,
it was so hard to get stuff because everybody want
to pull your credit and you can only put so
(26:27):
many houses on your personal credit, you know. So I
struggled with that. You know. I would get jobs sometimes
that I didn't have the tools, but I didn't have
a credit card to put on putting the tool on
a credit card, So I do the work and not
make any money because I had to buy the tools.
You see what I'm saying. So I encourage people not
(26:49):
to be in that position. But if you are in
that position, don't give up. Find a way finding help.
Ask people. And I found out a whole lot of
information by asking people. You know, they got folks out
there buying houses that don't have any income right right right.
Because there are financial programs that you can use and
(27:10):
I've utilized them. And what I've done was I managed
to get my credit up and I don't have those
problems anymore. But a lot of people have them and
I just tell them, don't give up. Cool.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Well, I'm gonna tell you something. I won't give up
on our relationship because we tried to help that brother.
I met you them Atlanta women, and you came up
and you said, I do your show.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I said, yes, sir, what do you do? You told
me articulated what it is you do.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Really, you know, when you're a humble guy, you don't
really lay it out.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
But brother, you are you the truth? Man.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Have been told to you, but you the truth, and
I want to I want to make sure I'm a
bullhorn for you for anything that you do.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
But again, tell people to get in touch with you man,
and it's yes, sir, you wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Property Group woodwork Roup dot com and I have a
wonderful young lady, Sierra. She's been with me several years.
She will make sure and put you in touch with
me Woodword Propertygroup dot com or you can call me
at six seven eight four three nine eight zero zero
three six seven eight four three nine eight zero zero three.
(28:23):
We're also on Instagram. At Woodwork PG. We're on Facebook
at Woodward Property Group, so you can find us all
kinds of ways. And look, here's one of the things
I tell people. My number has been the same for
twenty three years. Come on, my number has been the
same twenty three years. I ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I know that's right, brother, hey man, you stay strong.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Thank you for coming on Money Making Conversations Masterclass, because you,
my friend, are truly a master.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yes, sir, and you call me back anytime. I'd love
to come back.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
This has been another edition of Money Making Conversation Masterclass
posted by me Rashaun McDonald. Thank you to our guests
on the show today and thank you for listening to
the audience now. If you want to listen to any
episode I want to be a guest on the show,
visit Moneymakingconversations dot com. Our social media handle is Moneymaking Conversation.
Join us next week and remember to always leave with
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your gifts.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Keep winning.
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