Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Monique Garside.
A licensed clinical social worker and founder of Fit Life Wellness. Here's a comprehensive summary of the episode:
🎙️ Guest: Monique Garside
- Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) practicing in Georgia, Colorado, Illinois, South Carolina, and Minnesota.
- Founder of Fit Life Wellness, a private mental health and wellness practice.
- Author of the guided journal I Can, I Will.
🧠 Key Topics Discussed 🧘♀️ What Therapy Really Is
- Therapy is not just “talking on a couch”—it’s a safe space for vulnerability, healing, and personal growth.
- It involves unpacking emotional challenges, not just surface-level advice.
🔄 Life Transitions
- Includes shifts like:
- Moving from corporate to entrepreneurship
- Divorce or children leaving home
- Personal reinvention
- Therapy helps individuals navigate uncertainty and redefine stability.
🧑💼 Mental Health for Entrepreneurs
- Entrepreneurs often neglect self-care in pursuit of success.
- Therapy helps them prioritize balance, manage burnout, and maintain mental clarity.
- Monique emphasizes the importance of processing emotions and having a support system.
📘 About the Book: I Can, I Will
- A 30-day guided journal with weekly themes and daily prompts.
- Designed to help individuals:
- Reflect on their emotions
- Reset their mindset
- Overcome depression, anxiety, and life transitions
- Available on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and MoniqueGarside.com
🧩 Common Mental Health Misconceptions
- Mental health is often oversimplified or trivialized on social media.
- Terms like “anxiety” and “boundaries” are used without understanding.
- Real healing requires professional guidance, not just affirmations or apps.
🧍♀️ Monique’s Personal Journey
- Originally a nursing major, she transitioned to social work after realizing her passion was emotional care.
- She created Fit Life Wellness to have autonomy in how she supports clients.
- She is both a therapist and a therapy client—emphasizing the importance of self-work.
🧠 Mental Health Red Flags
- Depression: Irritability, isolation, loss of interest, low motivation.
- Anxiety: Racing thoughts, physical symptoms (e.g., heart palpitations), constant worry.
🧰 Therapy vs. Technology
- Apps and AI tools can supplement mental health care (e.g., affirmations, breathing exercises).
- But they cannot replace the human connection and insight of a trained therapist.
🌐 Connect with Monique
- Website: MoniqueGarside.com
- Practice: Fit Life Wellness
- Services: Virtual therapy, clinical supervision, mental health resources
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Want you on my show.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
My guest is a licensed clinical social worker practicing in Georgia, Colorado, Illinois,
South Carolina, and Minnesota. With over two decades of experience
in the field. She is the founder of Fit Life Wellness,
a private mental health and wellness practice dedicated to supporting
individuals through healing.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Balance, and growth.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
She is also the author of I Can I Will,
a thirty day guided journal designed to help individuals reflect, reset,
and overcome challenges such as depression, anxiety, and life transitions.
Please welcome to the Money Making Conversations Master Class. Monique guard Side,
How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Monique?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Hey, great to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
How are you growing?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Up on TV.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You go to somebody's couch and you're laying down on
the sofa and somebody just talking to you. You see
on TV periodically periodically today, what is therapy and what
is fantasy?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Right? So, real deal therapy is not coming in laying
on the couch. It is truly coming in now. It
is coming in. It is being vulnerable. It's using the
space to unpack, to talk about things that are really
hard for you. Therapy is a safe space where you
can talk about things that you may not feel safe
to talk about in any other space. We're trying to
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hear you, to help you navigate. That's the real part therapy.
We're doing the real work. The fantasy is you go
in and you're best friends with a therapists and they
tell you all these things about life, and you know,
it's just pretty bils and whistles, and that's not what
they'rep is feeling is hard work and that's the space
that I navigate.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Now, let's talk about this show is money Making Conversation,
master Class, Entrepreneurship, small business owners. People out there trying
to turn their lives around, trying to make life transitions.
Now in your thirty day course or thirty day journal.
You talk about life transitions. What exactly does that mean
When you say life transitions, it.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Could mean transitioning from corporate to entrepreneurship. You know, that
process of what does it mean to leave stability, safety,
things that you're accustomed to to the uncertainty of entrepreneurship,
and how do you help someone navigate that. That's a
very big life transition. You know, it could be life
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transitions of your kids, of your family. You know, you're
you're divorced now, maybe your kids are going to college.
So it's you know, various things that happen in our lives, right,
There's various transitions, and then it just could be something
happening with you personally.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I'm talking to Monique Guarside. She's a licensed clinical social
worker who practices in Georgia, Colorado, Illinois, South Carolina, and Minnesota.
With over two decades of experience in the field, she
founded a company called Fit Life Wellness. Now this is
health and wellness practice. Basically, we all need this. I've
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actually been involved in personal therapy because I don't know
how to shut down Monique.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I am like a.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Guy that just I'm type A with steroids attached to it. Okay,
and you know I've reached the point of my life.
I go, okay, you know you got to stop with Shaw.
How you tell me how do you stop a guy
like with Shawn McDonald through therapy.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
That's a big question.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Help me out. That's an honest question too.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I'm not asking that to just be But I moved
the story alone because I got a problem.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I think the first thing is kind of looking at where, well,
you know, why do we need to have all these
things happening? And how are we prioritizing those things? So
does everything need to happen at one time? Can we
prioritize how you do it? I think it's just really
looking at what you're trying to do and what needs
to happen.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
First, here's the thing, I time management. I'm very good
at time management.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Secondly, I'm very good at getting up. I'm not a
person that hits the snooze but clock goes off. I
get up Monday through Friday, I get up at four
thirty am.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
On the weekends, I turn off the long clock.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I get my body back from a standpoint of out
of that rhythm of just hopping up and going. So
I am smart about that now. I did say Monday
through Friday, I get up at four thirty.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Now.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
If the basketball game ends at one o'clock, your boy
gonna watch it. If a Netflix series I'm binging watching
it ends it one two am, your boy gonna watch it.
Now I am, and I am going to get up
at four thirty. That's my personality. Now, when you hear
somebody talking like that, how can you help me out, Monique?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I'm very serious.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
How can you stop this ignorance that has dominated my
life for over sixte years?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
I ask you, how do you prioritize rest the things
that binge watching? That Netflix? Right? We need to do
that today? Is that necessary? And it's prioritizing If you're
still getting up at the same time, how what's the
quality of the rest that you're getting. If you're going
to bed at one am, right, how are you at
your best the next day? You're waking up it for
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it if you haven't prioritized rest.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I don't drink coffee, I don't drink put caffeine in
my system.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I don't drink liquor. I'm just a weird cat like that.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
But I just want to put everybody out like out
there that I Rashaan McDonald, people deem me as being successful,
got issues, and these issues should be tied to a
therapist changing some of these things. Just because I'm doing
it doesn't mean it's right, because I'm putting some undue
stress on myself mentally and physical. Like you said, Rashan, Yeah,
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you get a bet four thirty, but how you mentally?
How you functioning like about three o'clock or you fall in.
Because that's why mental health is so important and we
it seems it almost sounds gimmicky. Now I'm gonna I'm
gonna use that word right now, Monique, because just like
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the word branding, just like the word entrepreneurship, it is
floated out there so much because people say it they
have mental health month, like this month is Men's Mental
Health Month. And so sometimes when you proclaim something like
that so cavicly or so casual, it lose its impact talk.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
To us, I think, especially with social media. I mean
we talk about mental health. Everyone is, you know, talking
about it is the buzzwords. You know they're talking about,
you know, boundaries and balance and gas like in all
those things, and so everyone is jumping on and without
actually understanding what those words mean, what it means to
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actually deal with some of these things, and then you know,
what does it mean to actually do the work. And
so when everyone wants to talk about it, everyone wants
to kind of say they have anxiety or they have ADHD,
but a lot of them don't know what it actually means.
But they also don't know what to do with it,
like how do you support yourself? You know, how do
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you work through having anxiety? If you don't really get
connected with the right person, people who are trained to
do it, then it looks great, but there's no follow
through and then no one's actually getting real help.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Now we're talking about entrepreneurs. Entrepreneurs are small business owners.
What's your business? How do we in touch with you?
First of all, before I get into this met you.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Can find me all my social media to Fit Life
long as LLC. My website is fit Life one as LLC.
Or you can go to money guardside dot com where
you can see all my services and all of the
therapy sessions that I provide are virtual. Along with I
work with a mentor and provide clinical supervision for social
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workers coming into the field. Needing to get their licensed
hours so that they can eventually practice them.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Okay, cool, First question, how do you navigate entrepreneurship or
entrepreneurs or small business owners in this space?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
So in this space we really talk about balance. We
talk about prioritizing self along the way. A lot of
times as entrepreneurs, when you're building your business, you're going
going going right, you go on full force, long days,
right late nights, early mornings, and in that process though,
you're forgetting to prioritize self because all you see is
I'm just trying to get here. And so what happens
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is eventually as you get here, though you're burned out,
you're exhausted, your mental health might me in the right space.
And so it's helping them say, but you have to
maintain yourself and take care of you along the way,
And it's helping to it's helping them figure out how
to prioritize. But it's also like, how am I taking
care of myself so that again the next day I
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am showing up or I am getting the most out
of the work that I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Because as we talk about small business owners, I will
tell you this, when I worked at IBM. I knew
a year in advance that I was going to lead
my job now knowing that wasn't when I came to
the decision, that decision, I became very.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Emotional because I knew that that was reality.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Now a lot of people out there are listening to
this show or where Rashaan McDonald was that decision point,
are afraid to make that decision.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Talk to us about that.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I remember making that decision. I remember all the knowing
that it's time of transit, knowing that you need to
go create something new. But there's a lot of uncertainty
that comes from that. There's a lot of questions that
come up. You know, will this happen as I think
it should, Will I succeed? You know, will I feel
at this, What will happen? How long will it take
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me to build? All the questions that come up with that.
And also, as you're standing in this space and you
know I'm going here to entrepreneurship I want to leave,
you're feeling this kind of disconnection stability, right because a
lot of times when we work in corporations, you know
that's that every two weeks or once someone you're getting
your check, you know, that stability is there when you
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transition to entrepreneurship, there's a lot of unknown and so
it's really going into the space of being able to process,
being able to show up, but even if it's scary,
being able to keep pushing through it as you're trying
to really build and looking at like, but this is
my goal, this is where I want to be, and
so you have to fight for that space.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, because there are no gain guarantees. It's an entrepreneur.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
You know, for the our week job, you might have
to work a little over time. You know, they're telling
you to come to work at this time, they're telling
you when you can leave, they're telling you your lunch break,
they've given you an assignment. When you're an entrepreneur, you
are everything. Now here's the thing that I feel value
in this reason I have you on this call because
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as an entrepreneur or a small business owner, we somewhat
are all powerful, all decision making, all kind of like godlike,
and we can't show weaknesses, we can't show mistakes. Does
it help having a person like you monique a relationship
with a therapist where you can download some of this
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information to and talk to us about.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
That is really important to get connected with the therapist
throughout the process because it's got to go somewhere Otherwise
you're carrying the weight of it, right, it begins to
build up. And as that build up, if you're not
actually having if you're not able to process the emotions
of thoughts, the feelings that you're having, then you internalize
that and it can turn into other things like feeling
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really anxious, moving into depression, irritability because you're not able
to freely speak and say what you need to say.
Having a therapist offers that safe space for you, but
it also offers someone that can process things with you,
that can actually we're able as a therapist. I'm able
to see things that you may not see, right. I'm
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able to hear how your day, when or how your
week is going, and say, hm, take a cause for
a minute, tell me about this, or how about we
implement this to help you navigate. Right, So you have
this kind of this person who's trained to hear things
differently that can offer you a different view, will offer
you some tips that can help you navigate that.
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Speaker 1 (13:05):
Now there's passion, there's passion to help somebody.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
But how did you get a.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Passion for this mental health field, this mental health area?
Because you started in our conversation social worker. Now you
dominating in the mental health field, your license in you know, Colorado, Georgia, Illinois,
South Carolina, Minnesota, all of its virtual talk to us
about your personal passage passion for mental health.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
So I think I've always you know, where I grew
up kind of knowing that I wanted to help people.
That was always something that was a part of me.
And I remember I was actually a nursing major first,
and I worked in the hospital because I worked throughout
by programs. But if you were looking for me, I
was always at the bedside and I was always trying
to figure out what was happening with them. So I
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would tell the nurses, like, they can't go home where
they have this and they had that, and they would
literally like kick me out of the rooms and they're
like this and this is not your jobs. You're supposed
to be on this side. But my love for helping
people navigate, helping people figure it out. I think I've
been that way since I was a child. Having knowing
the impact of just having outside influence in my own
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life really helped push me to the space where I knew,
like my gift, the way that I show up in
the world is by helping people, by helping them navigate,
by helping them with really hard moments, and just helping
them heal.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, I'm speaking the Monique guard Side, a licensed clinical
social worker. As I said earlier, got Georgia on Lockdown Colorado,
on Lockdown Illinois, South Carolina, Minnesota. She does a lot
of her work virtually and because of all those states,
you know, she's not traveling all those states. Private jets
wouldn't even get to all those get her to all
those states.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
But she is successful.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Now, look go to let's shift a little to your
fit life wellness exactly. What is fit NiFe, fit life,
fit life wellness and how to zoo.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Fit life Wellness is again my mental health and wellness practice.
And when I thought about that, it was you know,
when I came up with the name, it was truly I.
Prior to going into practice, I was very big and
the health and wellness, and what I realized was just
the connection of the mind body. And so in the space,
I wanted to provide a space where we understood how
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the mind and the body connected and how that process
worked for your healing. And so when I created it,
I was actually working in a healthcare system and I
needed to create a space where I had more autonomy
of how I helped people. I didn't want restrictions. I
knew I was trained to do certain things, but I
also wanted a space where I had more freedom of
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how I did it. And that is how I created
And I started felt like wellness was to create this
space where I could help people, but I had more
control of how I could help them and how I
could reach them.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
So how do you get your customers?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
So when I first started, like many other therapists, you know,
we're on platforms like psychology today, there are people black girls,
and so honestly it is you put your profile out
there and people search for you and they come, and
it's really that's how it works. There's kind of it's
hard when you talk about marketing therapy. You know it
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can look you know, great from like a marketing standpoint,
but at the same time, it's a very sensitive subject
and so you do have to be cautious as to
how you're reaching out to people. But mostly I get
on the platforms. They can search for therapists in my
you know, in their area, and then they can get
connected with me. And that's how I built a practice.
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That's how people started to find me. Was I got online.
I got on Psychology Today, and people started to come
people connected with my profile.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Now let's slide over to the book I Can, I Will,
the thirty day guided journal designed to help endo is reflect, reset,
and overcome challenges such as depression, anxiety, and life transitions. Okay,
we've talked a lot about life transitions.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
How are what.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Are the symptoms? When people may not be aware that
they're dealing with depression.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Yeah, so depression can show up in so many ways,
but a lot of people just think when they hear depression, oh,
I don't want to do anything. But depression can be irritability.
You can lose interest in things that maybe once gave
you joy. So you begin to isolate a little bit.
You stop doing things that you once loved. You tend
to not be as motivated, and then you just really
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start to kind of isolate, go into a shell, and
you don't reach out to people as much as well.
So people start to notice that they haven't seen you
for a while, they haven't talked to you, and so
you're kind of really going into a shell where you're
not dealing with anxiety. So for anxiety, anxiety can show
up in a lot of ways. But for people who
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feel like the physical symptoms of anxiety, it could be
like your heart racing, it could be constant worry, so
you're constantly thinking about something. You're kind of overwhelmed with
your thoughts, and so anxiety can help can make lose
your focus, right, so you are maybe fixating on something
that you're fearful about that may or may not happen,
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but it's just you're constantly in this state of feeling
that fight or flight.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
You know when you talk about the I Can I Will?
First of all, where did that name come from?
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Okay, so that name came from I wrote the book
before I wrote the name of the book. I wrote
the thirty day Journal, and I wrote that thirty day
journal after I wrote it the name I Can I Will.
I want it to be very clear and very definitely,
so that you can and you will, right, there's no
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in between. There's no question it's your journey. But you
can and will that. You got to take ownership of
how you do it.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Okay, so self motivating? Yes, okay, cool? So how does
that layout?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
You know, if one wants to get access or get
purchased that find out whereas that?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
How does one get it?
Speaker 1 (19:15):
But then how does that journal work if you're a
person who buys it?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Okay? So the journal is available on Amazon, Barnes and
Noble as well, and you can also get it from
my website. How does it work? So it's a thirty
day guided journal. There are weekly things and then there
are daily prompts. And I wrote this from if I
was sitting with you, how would I guide you? I
always recommend journaling. Journal is a really good tool in therapy,
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and I always recommend it to people, whether you're in
or not in therapy. But I always got so much
pushback from people about I don't like the journals or
I don't know what to do, I don't know what
to write. And after years of hearing that, I said, Okay,
I'm gonna sit down and I'm gonna write this, but
I'm gonna write this is if I'm with you. And
every week there's a thing, there's an affirmation, there's a
journal prompt, and it's really designed for you to reflect,
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for you to I think one of the pages ask you,
what do you want to be different the next day.
I don't want you to just process today. I want
you to prep yourself for the next day. And it's
truly a guy to help your increase your awareness, increase
how you think about things, and then how you handle them.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
In therapy, Monique, how do you stop being a prevent
yourself from being judgmental one and stereotyping situations? Two different responses,
judgmental and then stereotyping. Yes, when you're dealing with your
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different sessions.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Okay, so how do I prevent myself to be in judgmental?
I think it's just that's what you're trained to do. Like,
this space is a safe space. I honor that space,
and so in that space, it's not my job to
judge it. It's to help you see what you need
to see. It's a help you process. And so I
always tell people when they come in, like, this is
your space. Whatever comes up comes out. This is your space.
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And I think remembering that's the purpose of it. It's
not about what I need to unloade, It's about what
they need to umote and what I need to help
them process. So it's really not about me to put judgment.
It's about me to help them process.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Now, I remember when I was doing therapy. Every time
I did a session, they will always ask me, have
you ever considered hurting yourself? Have you ever considered suicide?
That was the opening every time it was opening, That
was opening statement. Is that a major concern when one
goes into therapy that it can be that extreme?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Absolutely, it is a question that has always especially if
I have a new client. Comments always at the top
of the intake form. And the reason why that question
is so important is because I need to know where
you are right now. I need to know if this therapy,
say space is safe enough for you, if we need
to pull in other support, do I need to create
a safety plan. It really helps to see where you
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are if you have the thoughts, if you have a plan,
because it is something that you don't take lightning, and
you have to you know, respond in a way that
is supportive, but in a way that it's very, very proactive.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Now, this is interesting to hear you talk like this
because I'm sure they have been challenges out there for you. Now,
will you yourself aka miss therapists, we come into you, you
are some of your challenges when you're trying to help people.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Okay, so let me first start with I am a
therapist who has been in therapy and who continues therapy
because it's very important. So I've been on both sides
of the chair. But I think the challenges from a
business perspective, it's the ebbs and flows. It's once you
start your business right. It's being able to maintain, being
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able to absorb when clients are coming they're not coming,
or when you know their life changes and so then
you know it disrupts their sessions. It comes from that.
As far as personal challenges, everyone hasn't and I'm no
different than everyone else. But I think I have a
good support system. I have my ways of processing, and
I tried to lead by example, so taking care of myself,
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prioritizing myself so that I am able to show up
fully for my clients.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
We talked about a little bit earlier about when I
was talking about people lying on the couch and technology,
and we know that when COVID hit that, the virtual
world exploded.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
What do you see with AI? Okay?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Because I got frustrated the other day trying to get
my credit card balance and I could not get get
off of the phone with this AI voice. Well can
I help you? Cause I said, no, I need to
talk to the agent. Why you want to talk to agent?
Because I don't want to talk to you? And it
was just ridiculous. And so with therapy and we and
if people are getting cute with this stuff, talking about
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just asking a question and it'll give you a response,
your thoughts, your fears, will you talk about AI and therapy,
especially mental therapy.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
So I think that the tools can be supplementary, so
they can be helpful in a way of like maybe
daily affirmations, you know, things that you can kind of
look at from there, the breathing, the calm apps. But
from a therapist perspective, you can never replace like that
human connection and the ability to help somebody process. AI
can't give you that. And it also can't hear what
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we hear. We're trained to hear things differently. It doesn't
have that component that can do that, and so that's
where I feel like people have to utilize that. The
fear is that people will rely heavily on those things.
So the one they are in moments of crisis, such
as like they're feelings to the side of work, they
need a higher level of care. They're relying on this
tool to tell them and the guide them, and it's
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not given them the proper direction.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Speaking of the Monique guard side is she's the best
of what she does. She like she said, she's in
therapy and she does therapy, which I mean, she's both sides.
That's why I was able to share some of the
things I do when I went into therapy. And I'm
not saying I'm not saying that just to say it.
I think it's important that when I bring my guests
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on the show, it's still a learning experience from me,
but also it helps that I've experienced it. So the
questions I ask come from an honest space. It comes
from a space that I've personally experienced. But here it
leads to my closing thing statement here Monique, and I
want to response for you, is that what are some
of the common misconceptions about mental health?
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I think some of the common misconceptions is that people
can just you can just you know, navigate it like
you can just get over and so everyone's journey is different,
and so really having the time to take take the
time to address what they need to in their own way,
I think is very important. Again, it's not glamorous, like
makes it seem like you really need to get connected
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with a professional. I think you cannot. A no tool
or TikTok or any of other things can help you
the way sitting in front the therapist, a trained clinician
can help.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Clinical social worker Monique Guardside her book I Can I Will,
a thirty day guided journal designed to help individuals reflect, reset,
and overcome challenges such as depression, anxiety, and life transitions.
All that's very important in our life today because there's
a lot thrown at us. We're tied to GPS, were
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tied to social media, we're tied.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
To our cell phones.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Thank you for coming on Money Making Conversation Master Class,
Monique Guarside.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
This has been another edition of Money Making Conversation Masterclass
hosted by me Rushaun McDonald. Thank you to our guests
on the show today and thank you listening to the
audience now. If you want to listen to any episode
I want to be a guest on the show, visit
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Speaker 3 (27:06):
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Hi, I'm Rashan McDonald. I host the weekly Money Making
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you're an entrepreneur, small business owner, motivational speaker, influencer, gouid
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Want you on my show.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
My guest is a licensed clinical social worker practicing in Georgia, Colorado, Illinois,
South Carolina, and Minnesota. With over two decades of experience
in the field. She is the founder of Fit Life Wellness,
a private mental health and wellness practice dedicated to supporting
individuals through healing.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Balance, and growth.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
She is also the author of I Can I Will,
a thirty day guided journal designed to help individuals reflect, reset,
and overcome challenges such as depression, anxiety, and life transitions.
Please welcome to the Money Making Conversations Master Class. Monique guard Side,
How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Monique?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Hey, great to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
How are you growing?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Up on TV.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You go to somebody's couch and you're laying down on
the sofa and somebody just talking to you. You see
on TV periodically periodically today, what is therapy and what
is fantasy?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Right? So, real deal therapy is not coming in laying
on the couch. It is truly coming in now. It
is coming in. It is being vulnerable. It's using the
space to unpack, to talk about things that are really
hard for you. Therapy is a safe space where you
can talk about things that you may not feel safe
to talk about in any other space. We're trying to
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hear you, to help you navigate. That's the real part therapy.
We're doing the real work. The fantasy is you go
in and you're best friends with a therapists and they
tell you all these things about life, and you know,
it's just pretty bils and whistles, and that's not what
they'rep is feeling is hard work and that's the space
that I navigate.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Now, let's talk about this show is money Making Conversation,
master Class, Entrepreneurship, small business owners. People out there trying
to turn their lives around, trying to make life transitions.
Now in your thirty day course or thirty day journal.
You talk about life transitions. What exactly does that mean
When you say life transitions, it.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Could mean transitioning from corporate to entrepreneurship. You know, that
process of what does it mean to leave stability, safety,
things that you're accustomed to to the uncertainty of entrepreneurship,
and how do you help someone navigate that. That's a
very big life transition. You know, it could be life
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transitions of your kids, of your family. You know, you're
you're divorced now, maybe your kids are going to college.
So it's you know, various things that happen in our lives, right,
There's various transitions, and then it just could be something
happening with you personally.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I'm talking to Monique Guarside. She's a licensed clinical social
worker who practices in Georgia, Colorado, Illinois, South Carolina, and Minnesota.
With over two decades of experience in the field, she
founded a company called Fit Life Wellness. Now this is
health and wellness practice. Basically, we all need this. I've
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actually been involved in personal therapy because I don't know
how to shut down Monique.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I am like a.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Guy that just I'm type A with steroids attached to it. Okay,
and you know I've reached the point of my life.
I go, okay, you know you got to stop with Shaw.
How you tell me how do you stop a guy
like with Shawn McDonald through therapy.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
That's a big question.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Help me out. That's an honest question too.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I'm not asking that to just be But I moved
the story alone because I got a problem.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I think the first thing is kind of looking at where, well,
you know, why do we need to have all these
things happening? And how are we prioritizing those things? So
does everything need to happen at one time? Can we
prioritize how you do it? I think it's just really
looking at what you're trying to do and what needs
to happen.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
First, here's the thing, I time management. I'm very good
at time management.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Secondly, I'm very good at getting up. I'm not a
person that hits the snooze but clock goes off. I
get up Monday through Friday, I get up at four
thirty am.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
On the weekends, I turn off the long clock.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I get my body back from a standpoint of out
of that rhythm of just hopping up and going. So
I am smart about that now. I did say Monday
through Friday, I get up at four thirty.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Now.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
If the basketball game ends at one o'clock, your boy
gonna watch it. If a Netflix series I'm binging watching
it ends it one two am, your boy gonna watch it.
Now I am, and I am going to get up
at four thirty. That's my personality. Now, when you hear
somebody talking like that, how can you help me out, Monique?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I'm very serious.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
How can you stop this ignorance that has dominated my
life for over sixte years?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
I ask you, how do you prioritize rest the things
that binge watching? That Netflix? Right? We need to do
that today? Is that necessary? And it's prioritizing If you're
still getting up at the same time, how what's the
quality of the rest that you're getting. If you're going
to bed at one am, right, how are you at
your best the next day? You're waking up it for
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it if you haven't prioritized rest.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I don't drink coffee, I don't drink put caffeine in
my system.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I don't drink liquor. I'm just a weird cat like that.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
But I just want to put everybody out like out
there that I Rashaan McDonald, people deem me as being successful,
got issues, and these issues should be tied to a
therapist changing some of these things. Just because I'm doing
it doesn't mean it's right, because I'm putting some undue
stress on myself mentally and physical. Like you said, Rashan, Yeah,
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you get a bet four thirty, but how you mentally?
How you functioning like about three o'clock or you fall in.
Because that's why mental health is so important and we
it seems it almost sounds gimmicky. Now I'm gonna I'm
gonna use that word right now, Monique, because just like
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the word branding, just like the word entrepreneurship, it is
floated out there so much because people say it they
have mental health month, like this month is Men's Mental
Health Month. And so sometimes when you proclaim something like
that so cavicly or so casual, it lose its impact talk.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
To us, I think, especially with social media. I mean
we talk about mental health. Everyone is, you know, talking
about it is the buzzwords. You know they're talking about,
you know, boundaries and balance and gas like in all
those things, and so everyone is jumping on and without
actually understanding what those words mean, what it means to
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actually deal with some of these things, and then you know,
what does it mean to actually do the work. And
so when everyone wants to talk about it, everyone wants
to kind of say they have anxiety or they have ADHD,
but a lot of them don't know what it actually means.
But they also don't know what to do with it,
like how do you support yourself? You know, how do
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you work through having anxiety? If you don't really get
connected with the right person, people who are trained to
do it, then it looks great, but there's no follow
through and then no one's actually getting real help.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Now we're talking about entrepreneurs. Entrepreneurs are small business owners.
What's your business? How do we in touch with you?
First of all, before I get into this met you.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Can find me all my social media to Fit Life
long as LLC. My website is fit Life one as LLC.
Or you can go to money guardside dot com where
you can see all my services and all of the
therapy sessions that I provide are virtual. Along with I
work with a mentor and provide clinical supervision for social
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workers coming into the field. Needing to get their licensed
hours so that they can eventually practice them.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Okay, cool, First question, how do you navigate entrepreneurship or
entrepreneurs or small business owners in this space?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
So in this space we really talk about balance. We
talk about prioritizing self along the way. A lot of
times as entrepreneurs, when you're building your business, you're going
going going right, you go on full force, long days,
right late nights, early mornings, and in that process though,
you're forgetting to prioritize self because all you see is
I'm just trying to get here. And so what happens
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is eventually as you get here, though you're burned out,
you're exhausted, your mental health might me in the right space.
And so it's helping them say, but you have to
maintain yourself and take care of you along the way,
And it's helping to it's helping them figure out how
to prioritize. But it's also like, how am I taking
care of myself so that again the next day I
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am showing up or I am getting the most out
of the work that I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Because as we talk about small business owners, I will
tell you this, when I worked at IBM. I knew
a year in advance that I was going to lead
my job now knowing that wasn't when I came to
the decision, that decision, I became very.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Emotional because I knew that that was reality.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Now a lot of people out there are listening to
this show or where Rashaan McDonald was that decision point,
are afraid to make that decision.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Talk to us about that.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I remember making that decision. I remember all the knowing
that it's time of transit, knowing that you need to
go create something new. But there's a lot of uncertainty
that comes from that. There's a lot of questions that
come up. You know, will this happen as I think
it should, Will I succeed? You know, will I feel
at this, What will happen? How long will it take
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me to build? All the questions that come up with that.
And also, as you're standing in this space and you
know I'm going here to entrepreneurship I want to leave,
you're feeling this kind of disconnection stability, right because a
lot of times when we work in corporations, you know
that's that every two weeks or once someone you're getting
your check, you know, that stability is there when you
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transition to entrepreneurship, there's a lot of unknown and so
it's really going into the space of being able to process,
being able to show up, but even if it's scary,
being able to keep pushing through it as you're trying
to really build and looking at like, but this is
my goal, this is where I want to be, and
so you have to fight for that space.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, because there are no gain guarantees. It's an entrepreneur.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
You know, for the our week job, you might have
to work a little over time. You know, they're telling
you to come to work at this time, they're telling
you when you can leave, they're telling you your lunch break,
they've given you an assignment. When you're an entrepreneur, you
are everything. Now here's the thing that I feel value
in this reason I have you on this call because
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as an entrepreneur or a small business owner, we somewhat
are all powerful, all decision making, all kind of like godlike,
and we can't show weaknesses, we can't show mistakes. Does
it help having a person like you monique a relationship
with a therapist where you can download some of this
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information to and talk to us about.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
That is really important to get connected with the therapist
throughout the process because it's got to go somewhere Otherwise
you're carrying the weight of it, right, it begins to
build up. And as that build up, if you're not
actually having if you're not able to process the emotions
of thoughts, the feelings that you're having, then you internalize
that and it can turn into other things like feeling
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really anxious, moving into depression, irritability because you're not able
to freely speak and say what you need to say.
Having a therapist offers that safe space for you, but
it also offers someone that can process things with you,
that can actually we're able as a therapist. I'm able
to see things that you may not see, right. I'm
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able to hear how your day, when or how your
week is going, and say, hm, take a cause for
a minute, tell me about this, or how about we
implement this to help you navigate. Right, So you have
this kind of this person who's trained to hear things
differently that can offer you a different view, will offer
you some tips that can help you navigate that.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Please don't go anywhere, We'll be right back with more
money making conversations. Masterclass. Welcome back to the Money Making
Conversations Masterclass hosted by Rashaan McDonald.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Now there's passion, there's passion to help somebody.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
But how did you get a.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Passion for this mental health field, this mental health area?
Because you started in our conversation social worker. Now you
dominating in the mental health field, your license in you know, Colorado, Georgia, Illinois,
South Carolina, Minnesota, all of its virtual talk to us
about your personal passage passion for mental health.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
So I think I've always you know, where I grew
up kind of knowing that I wanted to help people.
That was always something that was a part of me.
And I remember I was actually a nursing major first,
and I worked in the hospital because I worked throughout
by programs. But if you were looking for me, I
was always at the bedside and I was always trying
to figure out what was happening with them. So I
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would tell the nurses, like, they can't go home where
they have this and they had that, and they would
literally like kick me out of the rooms and they're
like this and this is not your jobs. You're supposed
to be on this side. But my love for helping
people navigate, helping people figure it out. I think I've
been that way since I was a child. Having knowing
the impact of just having outside influence in my own
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life really helped push me to the space where I knew,
like my gift, the way that I show up in
the world is by helping people, by helping them navigate,
by helping them with really hard moments, and just helping
them heal.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, I'm speaking the Monique guard Side, a licensed clinical
social worker. As I said earlier, got Georgia on Lockdown Colorado,
on Lockdown Illinois, South Carolina, Minnesota. She does a lot
of her work virtually and because of all those states,
you know, she's not traveling all those states. Private jets
wouldn't even get to all those get her to all
those states.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
But she is successful.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Now, look go to let's shift a little to your
fit life wellness exactly. What is fit NiFe, fit life,
fit life wellness and how to zoo.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Fit life Wellness is again my mental health and wellness practice.
And when I thought about that, it was you know,
when I came up with the name, it was truly I.
Prior to going into practice, I was very big and
the health and wellness, and what I realized was just
the connection of the mind body. And so in the space,
I wanted to provide a space where we understood how
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the mind and the body connected and how that process
worked for your healing. And so when I created it,
I was actually working in a healthcare system and I
needed to create a space where I had more autonomy
of how I helped people. I didn't want restrictions. I
knew I was trained to do certain things, but I
also wanted a space where I had more freedom of
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how I did it. And that is how I created
And I started felt like wellness was to create this
space where I could help people, but I had more
control of how I could help them and how I
could reach them.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
So how do you get your customers?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
So when I first started, like many other therapists, you know,
we're on platforms like psychology today, there are people black girls,
and so honestly it is you put your profile out
there and people search for you and they come, and
it's really that's how it works. There's kind of it's
hard when you talk about marketing therapy. You know it
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can look you know, great from like a marketing standpoint,
but at the same time, it's a very sensitive subject
and so you do have to be cautious as to
how you're reaching out to people. But mostly I get
on the platforms. They can search for therapists in my
you know, in their area, and then they can get
connected with me. And that's how I built a practice.
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That's how people started to find me. Was I got online.
I got on Psychology Today, and people started to come
people connected with my profile.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Now let's slide over to the book I Can, I Will,
the thirty day guided journal designed to help endo is reflect, reset,
and overcome challenges such as depression, anxiety, and life transitions. Okay,
we've talked a lot about life transitions.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
How are what.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Are the symptoms? When people may not be aware that
they're dealing with depression.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Yeah, so depression can show up in so many ways,
but a lot of people just think when they hear depression, oh,
I don't want to do anything. But depression can be irritability.
You can lose interest in things that maybe once gave
you joy. So you begin to isolate a little bit.
You stop doing things that you once loved. You tend
to not be as motivated, and then you just really
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start to kind of isolate, go into a shell, and
you don't reach out to people as much as well.
So people start to notice that they haven't seen you
for a while, they haven't talked to you, and so
you're kind of really going into a shell where you're
not dealing with anxiety. So for anxiety, anxiety can show
up in a lot of ways. But for people who
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feel like the physical symptoms of anxiety, it could be
like your heart racing, it could be constant worry, so
you're constantly thinking about something. You're kind of overwhelmed with
your thoughts, and so anxiety can help can make lose
your focus, right, so you are maybe fixating on something
that you're fearful about that may or may not happen,
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but it's just you're constantly in this state of feeling
that fight or flight.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
You know when you talk about the I Can I Will?
First of all, where did that name come from?
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Okay, so that name came from I wrote the book
before I wrote the name of the book. I wrote
the thirty day Journal, and I wrote that thirty day
journal after I wrote it the name I Can I Will.
I want it to be very clear and very definitely,
so that you can and you will, right, there's no
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in between. There's no question it's your journey. But you
can and will that. You got to take ownership of
how you do it.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Okay, so self motivating? Yes, okay, cool? So how does
that layout?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
You know, if one wants to get access or get
purchased that find out whereas that?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
How does one get it?
Speaker 1 (19:15):
But then how does that journal work if you're a
person who buys it?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Okay? So the journal is available on Amazon, Barnes and
Noble as well, and you can also get it from
my website. How does it work? So it's a thirty
day guided journal. There are weekly things and then there
are daily prompts. And I wrote this from if I
was sitting with you, how would I guide you? I
always recommend journaling. Journal is a really good tool in therapy,
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and I always recommend it to people, whether you're in
or not in therapy. But I always got so much
pushback from people about I don't like the journals or
I don't know what to do, I don't know what
to write. And after years of hearing that, I said, Okay,
I'm gonna sit down and I'm gonna write this, but
I'm gonna write this is if I'm with you. And
every week there's a thing, there's an affirmation, there's a
journal prompt, and it's really designed for you to reflect,
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for you to I think one of the pages ask you,
what do you want to be different the next day.
I don't want you to just process today. I want
you to prep yourself for the next day. And it's
truly a guy to help your increase your awareness, increase
how you think about things, and then how you handle them.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
In therapy, Monique, how do you stop being a prevent
yourself from being judgmental one and stereotyping situations? Two different responses,
judgmental and then stereotyping. Yes, when you're dealing with your
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different sessions.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Okay, so how do I prevent myself to be in judgmental?
I think it's just that's what you're trained to do. Like,
this space is a safe space. I honor that space,
and so in that space, it's not my job to
judge it. It's to help you see what you need
to see. It's a help you process. And so I
always tell people when they come in, like, this is
your space. Whatever comes up comes out. This is your space.
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And I think remembering that's the purpose of it. It's
not about what I need to unloade, It's about what
they need to umote and what I need to help
them process. So it's really not about me to put judgment.
It's about me to help them process.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Now, I remember when I was doing therapy. Every time
I did a session, they will always ask me, have
you ever considered hurting yourself? Have you ever considered suicide?
That was the opening every time it was opening, That
was opening statement. Is that a major concern when one
goes into therapy that it can be that extreme?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Absolutely, it is a question that has always especially if
I have a new client. Comments always at the top
of the intake form. And the reason why that question
is so important is because I need to know where
you are right now. I need to know if this therapy,
say space is safe enough for you, if we need
to pull in other support, do I need to create
a safety plan. It really helps to see where you
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are if you have the thoughts, if you have a plan,
because it is something that you don't take lightning, and
you have to you know, respond in a way that
is supportive, but in a way that it's very, very proactive.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Now, this is interesting to hear you talk like this
because I'm sure they have been challenges out there for you. Now,
will you yourself aka miss therapists, we come into you, you
are some of your challenges when you're trying to help people.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Okay, so let me first start with I am a
therapist who has been in therapy and who continues therapy
because it's very important. So I've been on both sides
of the chair. But I think the challenges from a
business perspective, it's the ebbs and flows. It's once you
start your business right. It's being able to maintain, being
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able to absorb when clients are coming they're not coming,
or when you know their life changes and so then
you know it disrupts their sessions. It comes from that.
As far as personal challenges, everyone hasn't and I'm no
different than everyone else. But I think I have a
good support system. I have my ways of processing, and
I tried to lead by example, so taking care of myself,
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prioritizing myself so that I am able to show up
fully for my clients.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
We talked about a little bit earlier about when I
was talking about people lying on the couch and technology,
and we know that when COVID hit that, the virtual
world exploded.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
What do you see with AI? Okay?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Because I got frustrated the other day trying to get
my credit card balance and I could not get get
off of the phone with this AI voice. Well can
I help you? Cause I said, no, I need to
talk to the agent. Why you want to talk to agent?
Because I don't want to talk to you? And it
was just ridiculous. And so with therapy and we and
if people are getting cute with this stuff, talking about
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just asking a question and it'll give you a response,
your thoughts, your fears, will you talk about AI and therapy,
especially mental therapy.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
So I think that the tools can be supplementary, so
they can be helpful in a way of like maybe
daily affirmations, you know, things that you can kind of
look at from there, the breathing, the calm apps. But
from a therapist perspective, you can never replace like that
human connection and the ability to help somebody process. AI
can't give you that. And it also can't hear what
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we hear. We're trained to hear things differently. It doesn't
have that component that can do that, and so that's
where I feel like people have to utilize that. The
fear is that people will rely heavily on those things.
So the one they are in moments of crisis, such
as like they're feelings to the side of work, they
need a higher level of care. They're relying on this
tool to tell them and the guide them, and it's
(24:55):
not given them the proper direction.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Speaking of the Monique guard side is she's the best
of what she does. She like she said, she's in
therapy and she does therapy, which I mean, she's both sides.
That's why I was able to share some of the
things I do when I went into therapy. And I'm
not saying I'm not saying that just to say it.
I think it's important that when I bring my guests
(25:18):
on the show, it's still a learning experience from me,
but also it helps that I've experienced it. So the
questions I ask come from an honest space. It comes
from a space that I've personally experienced. But here it
leads to my closing thing statement here Monique, and I
want to response for you, is that what are some
of the common misconceptions about mental health?
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I think some of the common misconceptions is that people
can just you can just you know, navigate it like
you can just get over and so everyone's journey is different,
and so really having the time to take take the
time to address what they need to in their own way,
I think is very important. Again, it's not glamorous, like
makes it seem like you really need to get connected
(26:02):
with a professional. I think you cannot. A no tool
or TikTok or any of other things can help you
the way sitting in front the therapist, a trained clinician
can help.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Clinical social worker Monique Guardside her book I Can I Will,
a thirty day guided journal designed to help individuals reflect, reset,
and overcome challenges such as depression, anxiety, and life transitions.
All that's very important in our life today because there's
a lot thrown at us. We're tied to GPS, were
(26:35):
tied to social media, we're tied.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
To our cell phones.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Thank you for coming on Money Making Conversation Master Class,
Monique Guarside.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
This has been another edition of Money Making Conversation Masterclass
hosted by me Rushaun McDonald. Thank you to our guests
on the show today and thank you listening to the
audience now. If you want to listen to any episode
I want to be a guest on the show, visit
Moneymaking Conversations dot com. Our social media handle is money
Making Conversation. Join us next week and remember to always
(27:03):
leave with your gifts. Keep winning.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
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