Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Douglass Fort.
Founder of The Blerd Academy (Black Nerds), a wealth-building and scholarship program for high-achieving Black youth. The conversation explores Fort’s personal journey, the mission of his organization, and the broader impact of Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs).
🔑 Key Topics & Highlights
- The Blurd Academy Mission
- Founded to support academically gifted Black students in securing scholarships to HBCUs.
- Has helped students earn over $8 million in scholarships since 2016.
- Focuses on debt-free education, wealth-building, and long-term financial planning.
- Douglass Fort’s Personal Journey
- Grew up in East Palo Alto, California, during the crack epidemic.
- Survived being shot twice and turned his life around through education.
- Attended Jackson State University, where he became an honors graduate and started his first nonprofit.
- Credits his transformation to mentorship, faith, and the supportive environment of an HBCU.
- Empowering Black Youth
- Fort emphasizes outcomes over talk—showing success stories to inspire belief.
- Encourages students to pursue entrepreneurship and homeownership early.
- Advocates for using HBCUs as a strategic path to success, especially for students who qualify for elite schools but may face high debt.
- Scholarship Criteria Example (Jackson State)
- 3.25 GPA + 1130 SAT or 23 ACT = Full tuition.
- Higher scores can lead to full ride including room, board, and books.
- Economic & Social Impact of HBCUs
- HBCUs produce a significant percentage of Black professionals:
- 70% of Black doctors and dentists
- 50% of Black lawyers
- 60% of Black teachers
- Fort and McDonald stress the undervalued role of HBCUs in shaping Black excellence.
- Support & Funding
- The Blurd Academy is self-funded through merchandise sales at ProudBlackNerds.com.
- Fort encourages others to support by purchasing merch and spreading awareness.
đź’¬ Quotes & Reflections
- “We exist to build a healthy community that is Black, educated, resourceful, and determined.”
- “Create a small business to fund your dream business.”
- “Let’s use our money efficiently to make long-term economic gains.”
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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be a Guest button. My guests founded the Blurred That's
b Lerd Academy That's Black Nerds. It's a wealth building
(01:01):
program that helps high achieving Black American youth get scholarships
to attend HBCUs. They have secured over eight million dollars.
That's since twenty sixteen. I believe eight million dollars in scholarships.
Please welcome the Money Making Conversation Masterclass Douglas Fort Douglas.
Is that number correct? I don't want to underserve you
(01:22):
with a number that's incorrect, sir.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
No, that's the number is correct, and I'm proud of Yes, sir.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Well, you know something I'm telling you this week, I
am taking nine students who have a sickle sale trade
or sickle Selle. Disney worked out a deal with them
and they're going to go to a college fair that's
in Orlando.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
It will be about forty.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
HBCUs there and it'll be uh they All they got
to do is bringing them you know, the rope SAT
scores or ACT scores and high school transcript and they
can enroll on the spot and they can qualify for
scholarships full half of tuition. So I'm a fan of
what you were doing. I just wanted to get that
a little out the way because that's a proud moment
(02:07):
for me. Man, because be able to playing that out.
So tell us how you got involved, sir.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Well, I'm a blurred myself. I'm a black nerd, but
I didn't know no better growing up in the hood.
It was just you know, you have to mask. You know,
you had to compete with tupacs and the snoop dogs
at the time. So, you know, when I got of
age and got into an argument with my actually one
of my best friends about our condition of our community
(02:34):
and what we was talking about. We in our community,
we highlight the entertainer, the athlete, and the misbehaved, but
all of us nerds, they don't pay no attention to us.
And so we was talking amongst ourselves. If we created
we had this type of insight and information, how much
further will be as young men being black nerds in
(02:57):
this environment. So we created it and there are to
both graduates from a SBCUS. He went to Howard University.
I graduated from Jackson State University. And we started off
just trying to you know, hey, where is the money
at right, And we went from there and was able
to build relationships with the DAYSBCUS and get these kids in.
(03:20):
So that's how it started.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Well, you know, I want to say I'm a nerd
to my degree is in mathematics. Okay, I'm a black nerd.
So I'm gonna claim it. I'm gonna claim it, Douglas,
I'm claiming it Douglas with two esses.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
By the way, Douglass with two s's Douglas.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
For you know, but the journey man. You know when
I look at you know, the creating change in young people.
You know, you know, I think your sister, she's went
through this program, correct, my sister, the relative of yours?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Does anybody went through this program?
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Niece?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Your niece? I apologize you niece went through this program.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
And when you first started out, you know, everybody has doubts.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Everybody go, how.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Can you pull this off? I hear your dreams. How
did you overcome that part of a Douglas out comes?
Speaker 4 (04:12):
You know what I've learned about working in our community is,
you know, we got to just put out outcomes. So
what we did was have that conversation, an intellectual conversation
with the parent and the child saying, hey, if you
get these certain numbers, we got a relationship with Prayer
of You, and you can leave here debt free. Also,
Prayer View offers a one year master's degree in engineering,
(04:36):
so you can leave here debt free, or a master's
degree in engineering and going into your industry with noe debt.
By the time you're twenty five, you can buy your
first pred by the time you're twenty seven, you can
buy your second one. By twenty eight you could be
married starting with your children.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
And so what we've got some great timelines there, Douglas,
there's a great timelines.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
But what it is is that if you have the plan,
if you have schedule in place, instead of we put
this out there and we see all these outcomes, you know.
So the way what the way it works is when
you start seeing the success of all our blurs, then
you'll be like, oh, okay, that's how you beat the
nay sayers was the outcomes, you know. So for us,
(05:19):
we really don't do a lot of talking. It's like
you want to go talk to a blur then they
could tell you what's going on. So stuff like that.
So that's how I got rid of them, got rid
of the next sayers. It's simply putting out great outcomes.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
And that's really important because they sayers, you know, they
want to win, man, they want to win they and
they have no plan, brother, They says don't have plans, man,
they just have negative They have negativity rules, you know,
and their fingerpoinners. And I told you so that's their quote.
I told you so. And uh, when I look at
organizations like yours, you know, because their bootstep organizations, you know,
they're they're start with an idea, you have a vision,
(05:52):
and then but then you when you start seeing results,
your wow. You know, I think about it, man, I
think about my life man when I look back on
you know, started the mentoring cap with Steve Harvey way
back in two thousand and seven. You know what I'm saying,
and and and and and and and then doing these
HBCUs and working with Steven A. Smith with his UH
(06:14):
with HBCU week. You know, you know what I'm saying,
so so and realizing the amount of scholarship dollars that
are out there available to students and parents and they
don't know how can we can we help them because
they don't know, you know. And but these HBCUs are
sitting there, they kind of like aren't promoted, they're underfunded,
they don't have the endowments. And then you turn around
(06:36):
and basically the government, whether it's a president my fund
and I look at the fund they give the government,
like I think that the funds they gave HBCUs were
like one point three billion dollars or something like that.
And you look over the University of Nebraska. Their endowment
along is one billion dollars. Yeah, you know, and and
(06:57):
and so and so when I went so, I get
frustrated a little bit. And so I've heard about it naturally,
but I heard about your program. You know, I want
to be able to help you have a voice. And
so let's talk about how can people get in touch
with your organization. And then we're gonna talk about the
qualification because everybody goes, I got a kid with every
kid camp. Yeah, everybody we talk aboutainst college trying to
(07:18):
get your kid to finish.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
So there's two things. I'm glad you spoke about all that,
the funding and all the organizations and all that. So
let's break it down in all those categories. So first off,
you can reach us at You can see all the
work really in two different places. One is our Instagram
page and that's just the blurred Academy or Black Nerds.
You'll see all the work there. All are blurts there.
You can need to follow us follow us on LinkedIn
(07:41):
as well. So those are kind of our two points
that you can see the work being done there all right. Now,
when it comes to funding, we don't. We're not an
organization like that where me and my friend kind of
did this in the front of a philanthropis standpoint, because
we wanted to be undernied, will lead and unequivocally black empowered,
(08:05):
you know. So we wanted to not be someone telling
us what we can and cannot do by just because
they want to give us some dollars, not saying we
don't take any. But that was one of our original things.
So we created this, uh.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Call, this is what We're going to do it this way, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah, Because then then then we created something where we
always tell our blurs, just create a small business to
help fund your other business. So we create a small
business called Proud Black Nerds where you can buy our shirts,
our mugs, and that's how you give to us. It's
through creating companies and small businesses. And then we're showing
(08:45):
our blurs. We're not talking about it, we're being abouded
by creating a small business. So that's how your listeners
anybody else can support the BLURD Academy is through the
Proud Black Dirts ww dot Proud Black Dierts dot com
and to get our merch and that's how you help us.
And so just to just to go right into what
(09:05):
you're saying about getting them qualified. So let's use an example.
I'm gonna give you primise. I'm gonna use my alma
mater for an example. Is that Okay University State right?
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Jackson State? Yes? Uh so at Jackson State University, your baby,
I'm talking to the kids where the kids need to
have a three point two five eleven thirty SAT or
twenty three ACT and that would get you a full
tuition scholarship. So that's number that's stage one, Stage two.
(09:40):
If you got a three point two five with a
twelve hundred SAT, that's a full ride scholarship, room board
to you know all that. Then if you got a
three point five with a twenty eight ACT or a
thirteen hundred SAT, it's a presidential scholarship. That's room boards, books, fees, everything.
(10:06):
So these are things that when you partnership with these
types of schools, they saying, hey, Dougie or Dougie, that's
my name, doug go get it, go get If you
got some babies like this, we got the brand form
because those type of kids literally would go in especially
if you in Georgia. They say, Okay, I'd rather go
to University of Georgia or right, that's fine, that makes sense.
I'm not mad at you going to those what they
(10:27):
would call a higher branded schools. But I'm just saying,
look at our schools as as an option, because I'd
rather you lead debt free at Jackson State than being
debt at Georgia University of Georgia, because it just stops
you from and now stops you It just slows you
down from the economic sides, buying the home, all these
other things, starting a small business and all that. So
(10:49):
that is kind of a matrix on is in one
institution as an example of how do you get money
at HBCUs.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
You know, it's really interesting. Now, Douglas, you got it
called with that. Dougie, Hey, Dougie, what's up?
Speaker 5 (11:01):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
What's that? What's up? Now?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
You know you man, your your your story, your backstory.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Now you was you got the streets.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Won the streets one when you know the team.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You know, I look back on my life and uh,
I grew up in Fifth Ward in Houston, Texas.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
So when you say prayer view, there's this wrong hold.
You know that bail boy. He all in my neighborhood,
Preview in Houston, Texas.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
And and I, you know, my school, and and I
didn't get the HBCUs coming out of college. You know
how the high school, you know, they were there recruiting me,
and I wound up going to I went to enrolled
in the Southern University in Baton Rouge, and then at
the last minute opted out and eventually got my degree
at the University of Houston in Houston, Texas. But because
(11:45):
I didn't understand, I wouldn't. I didn't value what an
HBCU was and didn't understand what it brought to the table.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
And you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Tier one students, and that is the most value student
that every college wants in this situation. That doesn't mean
you're a tier one student at a predominant white institution.
You're going to get a scholarship. That doesn't mean you're
going to get a full ride. And I was talking
to a good friend of mine, doctor Sonya Lewis how
of Philadelphia, shaid reache on, I'm gona tell you something.
(12:17):
Student loans are the only thing in college now. If
you try to get a student loan, and you try
and look at it for a house. You have nothing
to offer for a student loan. But they don't really
check your credit. They don't ask you do you have
any equity, They don't ask you're gonna put up any collateral.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
They just give you the money.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
She said, when you look at the hides works out.
It is the craziest system in the world. And people
are driving up forty thousand and fifty half a million
dollars worth of student loans.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Yes, sir, insane. And we use that matrix too. We
used the DTI the debt to income racio analogy when
we say, yeah, you graduated from Stanford with four hundred
thousand in debt, but I graduated from Jackson State. But
you go into the bank, your debt to income ratio matters,
(13:17):
your credit matters. It comes to the amount of money
that you get from your house. So I'm not knocking
those branded schools, of course, but if you didn't get
in and leave your undergrad but little to no debt,
that's the go for all the institutions, especially Black Americans.
So we created this well building conversation to have with
those kids that actually qualify for the Yales. The Princeton's
(13:40):
the staffords to say, hey, yeah you got in the Stanford,
you got any Yale, But those same numbers are full
rides at our institution, at the Tuskegees, the Tennessee States.
So just consider these as an option, and then whenever
the financial aid come out, you can determine as a
family what is best and also tell parents, hey, that
same amount of money you to pay for that brand,
(14:00):
you can use it on the back end to cover
either graduate school or get them a their startup condo
or house. So let's use our money efficiently as we're
trying to make long term economic gains for our children.
I'd rather you spend that one hundred thousand going to
spend at these other institutions on the back end at
for his starter home and roll off North Carolina or
(14:23):
outside of Atlanta or somewhere you know in Houston, outside
of Houston where he can buy and own. Those are
life changing things. And so that's what we leveraging our
conversations when we're talking about money. At the end of
the day, let's get this.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Money and let me throw some facts at the Douglas. Okay,
this is blacks who attend HBCUs. Come on, of the
people who are black that are as they say is
in stem come from HBCUs. Seventy of the doctors who
are black come from HBCUs. Seventy percent of the dennists
(14:57):
who are black con from HBCUs. The lawyers who are
black come from HBCUs. Seventy percent of the judges who
are black come from HBCUs. You see where I'm going.
Educational system, sixty percent of the black teachers come from HBCUs.
So in this conversation, what I'm just trying to tell everybody,
we're not just hyping. And I didn't go to an HBCU,
(15:19):
but I gotta talk. I gotta state the facts when
I start seeing the facts. And the facts is that
your child can go to an HPCU. Your child can
walk out of there with a degree and get hired,
and you'll be competitive, you get hired, and also that free.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Come on that.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
When we get back, we're gonna talk to more with
Douglas with two s is a dougie, like he likes
to say, it broke me down with the dougie Douglas
fort come back, man, this is great. The black nerd
I got them on my show money Making Conversations Master Class.
Go hear about how those streets almost swallow them up,
but he fall back and he created this organization, this
academy to day with his boy.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Please go anywhere. We'll be right back with more money
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Speaker 1 (16:28):
I am a black nerd.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I am not a member of the Blurred Academy because
it was founded after I went to college Douglas.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
After I went to college, it was good.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Hey, I'm going to tell you some way after cause
I graduated seventy six. So you you you have a
long time agold brother. But along the way, man, I
understood the value of HBCUs and I'm an advocate.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I am an ambassador.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Wont could say that, you know, because of the fact
that I see the value as Hee Tier one students
see the quality of it. I do my research, like
like you said, do your research. A lot of people
don't do the research now and when I was it
was interviewing doctor Sunny Lewis when she really broke it
down about how they just be passing out these student
loans and these people just be just accepting and guess
(17:17):
what you need them. But then you don't know the
consequences because they do impact your lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
When you try to move on.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
You can't.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
True, it's true, and you know.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
But you came from California and the streets almost swallowed
you up. And help us understand what mentor saved you
and how did you make it to Jackson State.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Well, two things. I'm born and raised in the city
of East Palazzo, California, predominantly black institution right under South
Plinch was right in the heart of Silicon Valley. And
at the time I grew up, it was the middle
of the crack apademic And in nineteen ninety one I
got shot in the face twice. The bullet is still
in my neck by well, one of the bullets is
(18:03):
still in my neck. And how I transitioned. I was
always a nerd. It was just that environment turns. You
have to become something to defend it, to make it
in that environment. Did a lot of fighting growing up
and doing these things, and so how I got to
the journey, how I got to Jackson State is very
interesting because I remember in nineteen ninety five, our crack
(18:26):
house got raided. It's just a true story, y'all. This
is what happened. And I remember one of the homies
that one of the homies that was one of my
big homies at the time, he went to the penitentiary.
So that house was shut down. And I'm walking down
the street and I ran into another big homy of mine.
He like my nickname from the neighborhood's called Fresh that
they call me Fresh Friends getting the car and he like,
(18:50):
what you up to? And I'm like nothing, man, I'm
just trying to get this money because I was rocked
in my pocket. I'm about to go hustle at the
park at Jackville Park at the time. And he's like,
hey man, what you got going. I'm like none, Like
you think you think about going to school. I'm like, nah, bro,
I'm making too much money out here. And my old
g told me this. He said this, and he said, look,
promise me this. You go off to college and you
(19:11):
put the same energy putting into this block and if
it don't work out, you can come home. It is
what it is. So my old gene told me, you
need to go off to college, and that's when I met.
I went. I went, and I never looked back because
I put the same energy I putting in the hustling
into the into college and I became an honor student.
(19:32):
I'm an honors college graduate from jack State Magnum pumilati uh.
And that's how I got to Jack State University.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
The sad part of that story is he knews. He
knew what he was doing was a dead end. And
I always talk about people get to a point in
life where they think that's all they can do, or
they go, this is me and that's not true.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I don't care what you do. We're getting out of jail.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
That does mean that it's the end of the row
when you get in jail or living it, because dude,
I lived. I look at it my life today and
I go, yeah, it's probably three times in my life.
I honestly couldn't tell you. I probably should be dead,
but at least three times. Yeah, at least three times.
And I think about it and I tell people when
(20:19):
I wake up in the morning, you know, there's an
earnest to me waking up because I have to accomplish something,
to have to do something, Douglas. And when I heard
that you was coming on my show and I heard
your backstory, you know, it almost brought me to tears
because I knew somebody pushed you out the door, but
didn't push himself out the door.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Yeah, and his.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Story is a sad story because it ain't gonna aint
good because he stayed.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Yeah, I mean I think that if you add it,
you know, coming back and forth to school and just growing,
you know, when it would really changed the whole thing.
When I started my first company when I was twenty
years old, when I got to that was one of
the things that really changed my life. When I gave
my life over to Jesus Christ in nineteen ninety eight
and I created a nonprofit Call for Youth by Youth
(21:08):
that was a reentry in youth development and healing traumas
and trauma program in the CITV S Palalato and I
ran that for twelve years and I've done so much
great work in that thing. So it was more or
less Jackson State allowed me to be in a safe
place to grow my spirituality and my friendships and my
black love, and it allowed me to go back. It's
(21:28):
like an Incebaker that they created for me there where
I could be completely myself there and I was able
to take that those teachings and those friendships and all
that through Christmas, Cruse safe for Christ and come on
back home and really trying to rebuild my whole community,
like you know I created. I helped launch a program
called Living Peace. I helped launch another program called the
(21:49):
East Palato Greyhounds that got a bunch of NFL players.
I even helped through one of the peace treaties I
did in the neighborhood. The director of the US Marshalls
right now, doctor Rona Davis, we did some work together
in the neighborhood and he's where he's acted some of
the work we did in the neighborhood. So God has
put our hands on all these people I just named
(22:10):
through the Worker for Youth by Youth and what I
did in our neighborhood. So I'm excited about all the
things that I was able to put my hands on.
And it's pretty much leave it back to what God
has put on my heart to do, right, I.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Want to have a quote that I have of yours, Douglas.
This is a spiritual calling. My mission is to rebuild
our community, and it starts with young men because they're
the ones who will be the providers for their families.
We exist as an organization to build a healthy community
that is black, educated, resourceful, and determined. And we're doing
(22:45):
it as black nerds are blurred.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
At a time.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
That's my quote.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I'm gonna tell you something, brother. I don't get too
emotional on this show, but you get me there because
it almost makes me feel like I'm not doing enough.
And you know, you know what I'm saying. You know,
you know it. You've seen it, man. You know when
you grew because a lot of people don't know when
you grow up in the hood. Man, you go back, brother,
(23:14):
it ain't it ain't got it hadn't gotten better, It
hadn't gotten better. You know, it might be Hispanic now,
it might be Hispanic, Like my hood is e Hispanic now.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
It's like they moved out and I don't know where
black people went, but they ain't in my hood no more.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Okay, you know, And uh and so.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But but but I won't stop, man, I won't stop, dougs,
I can't stop. But I love the fact that you
encourage your students to buy property. I love the fact
that you tell them to secure that bag of money
through graduate school. There's not there's more to your academy
than just education. It's a story about life. As we
wrap up, just tell everybody what drives you. What's your
(23:58):
vision for the future for the blur academy.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Calling, you know, to rebuild our community, one blurred at
the time. And my goal is to make all these
blurres be happily married and wealthy, to build each black family.
I've seen it growing up in these palanza before crack hit.
I've seen a vision of a healthy black family. And
so for me, that's my mission is to see black
(24:24):
men be provider males so they can leave their families,
uh to the next next to the next thing. So
that's my mission.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Well, bro, brother, if you don't have my sell numb,
I'm gonna give it to you. And if you ever
need me, uh, you know, to say, Rashwan, could you
you know, break me off some of us. I'll go
talk to the wife's and wife. The nerds, the black
nerds need me, baby, they need to proud black Just.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Go to Look you can, like I said, proud of
your crew. Look, go to w W dot.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Buy some of that, Buy some of that swag, some
of that, some of the cups and T shirts, you know.
And also, man, I want to sit down. Man if
I can help you with a sponsor, you know that
understands what you're trying to do, because you got history.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
And uh, there are a lot of corporations out there,
you know, despite their rhetoric out there by diversity, equity, inclusion,
understand the value of diversity, understand the value of educating,
and understanding by creating qualified student citizens who want to vote,
they're paying they taxes. And so I want to sit
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down and talk to you about it. So yeah, you
know what I'm saying, that's the game. But more importantly, Man,
I'm glad you took the time to call in my
show so we can hear the story of Douglas Ford. Man,
you're a powerful brother, and uh, I'm happy I'm able
to share my story over my airways and it's pretty
big airways. My brother and uh, I appreciate it, and
(25:49):
again thank you for calling money Making Conversations massic class.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
My brother.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
We talked soon, all right, peace brother.
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b Lerd Academy That's Black Nerds. It's a wealth building
(01:01):
program that helps high achieving Black American youth get scholarships
to attend HBCUs. They have secured over eight million dollars.
That's since twenty sixteen. I believe eight million dollars in scholarships.
Please welcome the Money Making Conversation Masterclass Douglas Fort Douglas.
Is that number correct? I don't want to underserve you
(01:22):
with a number that's incorrect, sir.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
No, that's the number is correct, and I'm proud of Yes, sir.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Well, you know something I'm telling you this week, I
am taking nine students who have a sickle sale trade
or sickle Selle. Disney worked out a deal with them
and they're going to go to a college fair that's
in Orlando.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
It will be about forty.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
HBCUs there and it'll be uh they All they got
to do is bringing them you know, the rope SAT
scores or ACT scores and high school transcript and they
can enroll on the spot and they can qualify for
scholarships full half of tuition. So I'm a fan of
what you were doing. I just wanted to get that
a little out the way because that's a proud moment
(02:07):
for me. Man, because be able to playing that out.
So tell us how you got involved, sir.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Well, I'm a blurred myself. I'm a black nerd, but
I didn't know no better growing up in the hood.
It was just you know, you have to mask. You know,
you had to compete with tupacs and the snoop dogs
at the time. So, you know, when I got of
age and got into an argument with my actually one
of my best friends about our condition of our community
(02:34):
and what we was talking about. We in our community,
we highlight the entertainer, the athlete, and the misbehaved, but
all of us nerds, they don't pay no attention to us.
And so we was talking amongst ourselves. If we created
we had this type of insight and information, how much
further will be as young men being black nerds in
(02:57):
this environment. So we created it and there are to
both graduates from a SBCUS. He went to Howard University.
I graduated from Jackson State University. And we started off
just trying to you know, hey, where is the money
at right, And we went from there and was able
to build relationships with the DAYSBCUS and get these kids in.
(03:20):
So that's how it started.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Well, you know, I want to say I'm a nerd
to my degree is in mathematics. Okay, I'm a black nerd.
So I'm gonna claim it. I'm gonna claim it, Douglas,
I'm claiming it Douglas with two esses.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
By the way, Douglass with two s's Douglas.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
For you know, but the journey man. You know when
I look at you know, the creating change in young people.
You know, you know, I think your sister, she's went
through this program, correct, my sister, the relative of yours?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Does anybody went through this program?
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Niece?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Your niece? I apologize you niece went through this program.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
And when you first started out, you know, everybody has doubts.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Everybody go, how.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Can you pull this off? I hear your dreams. How
did you overcome that part of a Douglas out comes?
Speaker 4 (04:12):
You know what I've learned about working in our community is,
you know, we got to just put out outcomes. So
what we did was have that conversation, an intellectual conversation
with the parent and the child saying, hey, if you
get these certain numbers, we got a relationship with Prayer
of You, and you can leave here debt free. Also,
Prayer View offers a one year master's degree in engineering,
(04:36):
so you can leave here debt free, or a master's
degree in engineering and going into your industry with noe debt.
By the time you're twenty five, you can buy your
first pred by the time you're twenty seven, you can
buy your second one. By twenty eight you could be
married starting with your children.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
And so what we've got some great timelines there, Douglas,
there's a great timelines.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
But what it is is that if you have the plan,
if you have schedule in place, instead of we put
this out there and we see all these outcomes, you know.
So the way what the way it works is when
you start seeing the success of all our blurs, then
you'll be like, oh, okay, that's how you beat the
nay sayers was the outcomes, you know. So for us,
(05:19):
we really don't do a lot of talking. It's like
you want to go talk to a blur then they
could tell you what's going on. So stuff like that.
So that's how I got rid of them, got rid
of the next sayers. It's simply putting out great outcomes.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
And that's really important because they sayers, you know, they
want to win, man, they want to win they and
they have no plan, brother, They says don't have plans, man,
they just have negative They have negativity rules, you know,
and their fingerpoinners. And I told you so that's their quote.
I told you so. And uh, when I look at
organizations like yours, you know, because their bootstep organizations, you know,
they're they're start with an idea, you have a vision,
(05:52):
and then but then you when you start seeing results,
your wow. You know, I think about it, man, I
think about my life man when I look back on
you know, started the mentoring cap with Steve Harvey way
back in two thousand and seven. You know what I'm saying,
and and and and and and and then doing these
HBCUs and working with Steven A. Smith with his UH
(06:14):
with HBCU week. You know, you know what I'm saying,
so so and realizing the amount of scholarship dollars that
are out there available to students and parents and they
don't know how can we can we help them because
they don't know, you know. And but these HBCUs are
sitting there, they kind of like aren't promoted, they're underfunded,
they don't have the endowments. And then you turn around
(06:36):
and basically the government, whether it's a president my fund
and I look at the fund they give the government,
like I think that the funds they gave HBCUs were
like one point three billion dollars or something like that.
And you look over the University of Nebraska. Their endowment
along is one billion dollars. Yeah, you know, and and
(06:57):
and so and so when I went so, I get
frustrated a little bit. And so I've heard about it naturally,
but I heard about your program. You know, I want
to be able to help you have a voice. And
so let's talk about how can people get in touch
with your organization. And then we're gonna talk about the
qualification because everybody goes, I got a kid with every
kid camp. Yeah, everybody we talk aboutainst college trying to
(07:18):
get your kid to finish.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
So there's two things. I'm glad you spoke about all that,
the funding and all the organizations and all that. So
let's break it down in all those categories. So first off,
you can reach us at You can see all the
work really in two different places. One is our Instagram
page and that's just the blurred Academy or Black Nerds.
You'll see all the work there. All are blurts there.
You can need to follow us follow us on LinkedIn
(07:41):
as well. So those are kind of our two points
that you can see the work being done there all right. Now,
when it comes to funding, we don't. We're not an
organization like that where me and my friend kind of
did this in the front of a philanthropis standpoint, because
we wanted to be undernied, will lead and unequivocally black empowered,
(08:05):
you know. So we wanted to not be someone telling
us what we can and cannot do by just because
they want to give us some dollars, not saying we
don't take any. But that was one of our original things.
So we created this, uh.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Call, this is what We're going to do it this way, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah, Because then then then we created something where we
always tell our blurs, just create a small business to
help fund your other business. So we create a small
business called Proud Black Nerds where you can buy our shirts,
our mugs, and that's how you give to us. It's
through creating companies and small businesses. And then we're showing
(08:45):
our blurs. We're not talking about it, we're being abouded
by creating a small business. So that's how your listeners
anybody else can support the BLURD Academy is through the
Proud Black Dirts ww dot Proud Black Dierts dot com
and to get our merch and that's how you help us.
And so just to just to go right into what
(09:05):
you're saying about getting them qualified. So let's use an example.
I'm gonna give you primise. I'm gonna use my alma
mater for an example. Is that Okay University State right?
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Jackson State? Yes? Uh so at Jackson State University, your baby,
I'm talking to the kids where the kids need to
have a three point two five eleven thirty SAT or
twenty three ACT and that would get you a full
tuition scholarship. So that's number that's stage one, Stage two.
(09:40):
If you got a three point two five with a
twelve hundred SAT, that's a full ride scholarship, room board
to you know all that. Then if you got a
three point five with a twenty eight ACT or a
thirteen hundred SAT, it's a presidential scholarship. That's room boards, books, fees, everything.
(10:06):
So these are things that when you partnership with these
types of schools, they saying, hey, Dougie or Dougie, that's
my name, doug go get it, go get If you
got some babies like this, we got the brand form
because those type of kids literally would go in especially
if you in Georgia. They say, Okay, I'd rather go
to University of Georgia or right, that's fine, that makes sense.
I'm not mad at you going to those what they
(10:27):
would call a higher branded schools. But I'm just saying,
look at our schools as as an option, because I'd
rather you lead debt free at Jackson State than being
debt at Georgia University of Georgia, because it just stops
you from and now stops you It just slows you
down from the economic sides, buying the home, all these
other things, starting a small business and all that. So
(10:49):
that is kind of a matrix on is in one
institution as an example of how do you get money
at HBCUs.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
You know, it's really interesting. Now, Douglas, you got it
called with that. Dougie, Hey, Dougie, what's up?
Speaker 5 (11:01):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
What's that? What's up? Now?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
You know you man, your your your story, your backstory.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Now you was you got the streets.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Won the streets one when you know the team.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You know, I look back on my life and uh,
I grew up in Fifth Ward in Houston, Texas.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
So when you say prayer view, there's this wrong hold.
You know that bail boy. He all in my neighborhood,
Preview in Houston, Texas.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
And and I, you know, my school, and and I
didn't get the HBCUs coming out of college. You know
how the high school, you know, they were there recruiting me,
and I wound up going to I went to enrolled
in the Southern University in Baton Rouge, and then at
the last minute opted out and eventually got my degree
at the University of Houston in Houston, Texas. But because
(11:45):
I didn't understand, I wouldn't. I didn't value what an
HBCU was and didn't understand what it brought to the table.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
And you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Tier one students, and that is the most value student
that every college wants in this situation. That doesn't mean
you're a tier one student at a predominant white institution.
You're going to get a scholarship. That doesn't mean you're
going to get a full ride. And I was talking
to a good friend of mine, doctor Sonya Lewis how
of Philadelphia, shaid reache on, I'm gona tell you something.
(12:17):
Student loans are the only thing in college now. If
you try to get a student loan, and you try
and look at it for a house. You have nothing
to offer for a student loan. But they don't really
check your credit. They don't ask you do you have
any equity, They don't ask you're gonna put up any collateral.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
They just give you the money.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
She said, when you look at the hides works out.
It is the craziest system in the world. And people
are driving up forty thousand and fifty half a million
dollars worth of student loans.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Yes, sir, insane. And we use that matrix too. We
used the DTI the debt to income racio analogy when
we say, yeah, you graduated from Stanford with four hundred
thousand in debt, but I graduated from Jackson State. But
you go into the bank, your debt to income ratio matters,
(13:17):
your credit matters. It comes to the amount of money
that you get from your house. So I'm not knocking
those branded schools, of course, but if you didn't get
in and leave your undergrad but little to no debt,
that's the go for all the institutions, especially Black Americans.
So we created this well building conversation to have with
those kids that actually qualify for the Yales. The Princeton's
(13:40):
the staffords to say, hey, yeah you got in the Stanford,
you got any Yale, But those same numbers are full
rides at our institution, at the Tuskegees, the Tennessee States.
So just consider these as an option, and then whenever
the financial aid come out, you can determine as a
family what is best and also tell parents, hey, that
same amount of money you to pay for that brand,
(14:00):
you can use it on the back end to cover
either graduate school or get them a their startup condo
or house. So let's use our money efficiently as we're
trying to make long term economic gains for our children.
I'd rather you spend that one hundred thousand going to
spend at these other institutions on the back end at
for his starter home and roll off North Carolina or
(14:23):
outside of Atlanta or somewhere you know in Houston, outside
of Houston where he can buy and own. Those are
life changing things. And so that's what we leveraging our
conversations when we're talking about money. At the end of
the day, let's get this.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Money and let me throw some facts at the Douglas. Okay,
this is blacks who attend HBCUs. Come on, of the
people who are black that are as they say is
in stem come from HBCUs. Seventy of the doctors who
are black come from HBCUs. Seventy percent of the dennists
(14:57):
who are black con from HBCUs. The lawyers who are
black come from HBCUs. Seventy percent of the judges who
are black come from HBCUs. You see where I'm going.
Educational system, sixty percent of the black teachers come from HBCUs.
So in this conversation, what I'm just trying to tell everybody,
we're not just hyping. And I didn't go to an HBCU,
(15:19):
but I gotta talk. I gotta state the facts when
I start seeing the facts. And the facts is that
your child can go to an HPCU. Your child can
walk out of there with a degree and get hired,
and you'll be competitive, you get hired, and also that free.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Come on that.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
When we get back, we're gonna talk to more with
Douglas with two s is a dougie, like he likes
to say, it broke me down with the dougie Douglas
fort come back, man, this is great. The black nerd
I got them on my show money Making Conversations Master Class.
Go hear about how those streets almost swallow them up,
but he fall back and he created this organization, this
academy to day with his boy.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
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Speaker 1 (16:28):
I am a black nerd.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I am not a member of the Blurred Academy because
it was founded after I went to college Douglas.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
After I went to college, it was good.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Hey, I'm going to tell you some way after cause
I graduated seventy six. So you you you have a
long time agold brother. But along the way, man, I
understood the value of HBCUs and I'm an advocate.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I am an ambassador.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Wont could say that, you know, because of the fact
that I see the value as Hee Tier one students
see the quality of it. I do my research, like
like you said, do your research. A lot of people
don't do the research now and when I was it
was interviewing doctor Sunny Lewis when she really broke it
down about how they just be passing out these student
loans and these people just be just accepting and guess
(17:17):
what you need them. But then you don't know the
consequences because they do impact your lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
When you try to move on.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
You can't.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
True, it's true, and you know.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
But you came from California and the streets almost swallowed
you up. And help us understand what mentor saved you
and how did you make it to Jackson State.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Well, two things. I'm born and raised in the city
of East Palazzo, California, predominantly black institution right under South
Plinch was right in the heart of Silicon Valley. And
at the time I grew up, it was the middle
of the crack apademic And in nineteen ninety one I
got shot in the face twice. The bullet is still
in my neck by well, one of the bullets is
(18:03):
still in my neck. And how I transitioned. I was
always a nerd. It was just that environment turns. You
have to become something to defend it, to make it
in that environment. Did a lot of fighting growing up
and doing these things, and so how I got to
the journey, how I got to Jackson State is very
interesting because I remember in nineteen ninety five, our crack
(18:26):
house got raided. It's just a true story, y'all. This
is what happened. And I remember one of the homies
that one of the homies that was one of my
big homies at the time, he went to the penitentiary.
So that house was shut down. And I'm walking down
the street and I ran into another big homy of mine.
He like my nickname from the neighborhood's called Fresh that
they call me Fresh Friends getting the car and he like,
(18:50):
what you up to? And I'm like nothing, man, I'm
just trying to get this money because I was rocked
in my pocket. I'm about to go hustle at the
park at Jackville Park at the time. And he's like,
hey man, what you got going. I'm like none, Like
you think you think about going to school. I'm like, nah, bro,
I'm making too much money out here. And my old
g told me this. He said this, and he said, look,
promise me this. You go off to college and you
(19:11):
put the same energy putting into this block and if
it don't work out, you can come home. It is
what it is. So my old gene told me, you
need to go off to college, and that's when I met.
I went. I went, and I never looked back because
I put the same energy I putting in the hustling
into the into college and I became an honor student.
(19:32):
I'm an honors college graduate from jack State Magnum pumilati uh.
And that's how I got to Jack State University.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
The sad part of that story is he knews. He
knew what he was doing was a dead end. And
I always talk about people get to a point in
life where they think that's all they can do, or
they go, this is me and that's not true.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I don't care what you do. We're getting out of jail.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
That does mean that it's the end of the row
when you get in jail or living it, because dude,
I lived. I look at it my life today and
I go, yeah, it's probably three times in my life.
I honestly couldn't tell you. I probably should be dead,
but at least three times. Yeah, at least three times.
And I think about it and I tell people when
(20:19):
I wake up in the morning, you know, there's an
earnest to me waking up because I have to accomplish something,
to have to do something, Douglas. And when I heard
that you was coming on my show and I heard
your backstory, you know, it almost brought me to tears
because I knew somebody pushed you out the door, but
didn't push himself out the door.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Yeah, and his.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Story is a sad story because it ain't gonna aint
good because he stayed.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Yeah, I mean I think that if you add it,
you know, coming back and forth to school and just growing,
you know, when it would really changed the whole thing.
When I started my first company when I was twenty
years old, when I got to that was one of
the things that really changed my life. When I gave
my life over to Jesus Christ in nineteen ninety eight
and I created a nonprofit Call for Youth by Youth
(21:08):
that was a reentry in youth development and healing traumas
and trauma program in the CITV S Palalato and I
ran that for twelve years and I've done so much
great work in that thing. So it was more or
less Jackson State allowed me to be in a safe
place to grow my spirituality and my friendships and my
black love, and it allowed me to go back. It's
(21:28):
like an Incebaker that they created for me there where
I could be completely myself there and I was able
to take that those teachings and those friendships and all
that through Christmas, Cruse safe for Christ and come on
back home and really trying to rebuild my whole community,
like you know I created. I helped launch a program
called Living Peace. I helped launch another program called the
(21:49):
East Palato Greyhounds that got a bunch of NFL players.
I even helped through one of the peace treaties I
did in the neighborhood. The director of the US Marshalls
right now, doctor Rona Davis, we did some work together
in the neighborhood and he's where he's acted some of
the work we did in the neighborhood. So God has
put our hands on all these people I just named
(22:10):
through the Worker for Youth by Youth and what I
did in our neighborhood. So I'm excited about all the
things that I was able to put my hands on.
And it's pretty much leave it back to what God
has put on my heart to do, right, I.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Want to have a quote that I have of yours, Douglas.
This is a spiritual calling. My mission is to rebuild
our community, and it starts with young men because they're
the ones who will be the providers for their families.
We exist as an organization to build a healthy community
that is black, educated, resourceful, and determined. And we're doing
(22:45):
it as black nerds are blurred.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
At a time.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
That's my quote.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I'm gonna tell you something, brother. I don't get too
emotional on this show, but you get me there because
it almost makes me feel like I'm not doing enough.
And you know, you know what I'm saying. You know,
you know it. You've seen it, man. You know when
you grew because a lot of people don't know when
you grow up in the hood. Man, you go back, brother,
(23:14):
it ain't it ain't got it hadn't gotten better, It
hadn't gotten better. You know, it might be Hispanic now,
it might be Hispanic, Like my hood is e Hispanic now.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
It's like they moved out and I don't know where
black people went, but they ain't in my hood no more.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Okay, you know, And uh and so.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But but but I won't stop, man, I won't stop, dougs,
I can't stop. But I love the fact that you
encourage your students to buy property. I love the fact
that you tell them to secure that bag of money
through graduate school. There's not there's more to your academy
than just education. It's a story about life. As we
wrap up, just tell everybody what drives you. What's your
(23:58):
vision for the future for the blur academy.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Calling, you know, to rebuild our community, one blurred at
the time. And my goal is to make all these
blurres be happily married and wealthy, to build each black family.
I've seen it growing up in these palanza before crack hit.
I've seen a vision of a healthy black family. And
so for me, that's my mission is to see black
(24:24):
men be provider males so they can leave their families,
uh to the next next to the next thing. So
that's my mission.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Well, bro, brother, if you don't have my sell numb,
I'm gonna give it to you. And if you ever
need me, uh, you know, to say, Rashwan, could you
you know, break me off some of us. I'll go
talk to the wife's and wife. The nerds, the black
nerds need me, baby, they need to proud black Just.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Go to Look you can, like I said, proud of
your crew. Look, go to w W dot.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Buy some of that, Buy some of that swag, some
of that, some of the cups and T shirts, you know.
And also, man, I want to sit down. Man if
I can help you with a sponsor, you know that
understands what you're trying to do, because you got history.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
And uh, there are a lot of corporations out there,
you know, despite their rhetoric out there by diversity, equity, inclusion,
understand the value of diversity, understand the value of educating,
and understanding by creating qualified student citizens who want to vote,
they're paying they taxes. And so I want to sit
(25:29):
down and talk to you about it. So yeah, you
know what I'm saying, that's the game. But more importantly, Man,
I'm glad you took the time to call in my
show so we can hear the story of Douglas Ford. Man,
you're a powerful brother, and uh, I'm happy I'm able
to share my story over my airways and it's pretty
big airways. My brother and uh, I appreciate it, and
(25:49):
again thank you for calling money Making Conversations massic class.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
My brother.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
We talked soon, all right, peace brother.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
This has been another edition of Money Making Conversations Master
Class hosted by me rashand thank you to our guest
on the show today and thank you our listening audience now.
If you want to listen to any episode or want
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Keep winning. Their American dream is available to you, just
keep listening. This has been another edition of Money Making
Conversation Masterclass posted by me Rashaun McDonald. Thank you to
our guests on the show today and thank you our
listening to audience now. If you want to listen to
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