May 25, 2025 • 29 mins
In 2017, two-time Emmy and three-time NAACP Image Award-winning television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald launched his podcast, Money Making Conversations Master Class.
In the fifth episode of the Keep Winning Information series. Entrepreneur Jackson Dunbar. Dunbar shares his journey of overcoming chronic pain, financial struggles, and systemic challenges while building a successful life.
🔑 Key Themes & Highlights
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Overcoming Chronic Pain
- Dunbar discusses his experience as a chronic pain patient following a car accident in 2015.
- He explains how he shifted his mindset from focusing on what he lost to what he could still achieve.
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Mental Health & Therapy
- He shares how therapy helped him navigate the emotional toll of chronic pain.
- He emphasizes the importance of mental health support, particularly for Black men, and the stigma surrounding therapy.
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Financial Recovery & Investing
- Dunbar details how he rebuilt his financial stability through strategic investing.
- He explains how he leveraged his analytical skills to succeed in stock market investments.
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Systemic Challenges in Healthcare
- He discusses racial biases in pain management and the difficulties Black patients face in receiving proper treatment.
- He highlights the disparities in opioid prescription practices and the stereotypes affecting Black patients.
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Lessons in Resilience & Purpose
- Dunbar shares how he transformed personal hardships into motivation to educate and inspire others.
- He encourages listeners to focus on what they can control and maximize their opportunities.
📘 About His Book
Dunbar’s book, Race Matters in Pain Medicine: How I Made Money, Lost 90 Pounds, and Thrived in Chronic Pain, provides a firsthand account of his journey through financial and health challenges, offering insights on resilience and success.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi. I am Rashan McDonald, a host the weekly Money
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directly to me. Now, let's get this show started. It's uh,
excuse me for coughing. Now, I've been on vacation. I've
lost all the rules of radio and being on vacation.
It's amazing when you when you go on vacation. And
because of the fact that my body was different, my
mind was different, my world was different. As soon as
(00:44):
it got on that plane halfway back over here, I
could tell my body was different. I can tell the
focus I started realizing. I was about to get back
into the jungle, the jungle we call every day life.
I'm about to start seeing, you know, reading about stuff
I don't want to read about evening news, all that
good stuff. But again, so that tells you there's something
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I used to didn't. I didn't take vacations. Man, I
didn't take vacations at all. I was so paranoid, worried
about getting off that little wheel that somebody's gonna take
my slide or I would lose my advantage. And not
realizing the advantage I was losing was not spending enough
time with my family, not taking care of my body,
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allowing stress, mental strain. Something we'll be talking about a
lot on the show today. If you want to talk
to us today, please call us and let us know.
Shares your stories today, what's happening in your life? Why
is it important that I should hear your story? Why?
Because my story is I'm being undered next week and
(01:49):
I'm happy to say that. And the fact that somebody
has thought of media Atlanta Business League has thought of
myself and somebody had to nominate me. I didn't nominate myself.
Nobody thought enough to nominate me. And because of that,
I'm being recognized for being a community leader, for being
an entrepreneur. And that amazing in itself that somebody thought
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of that. And I you tr have a second it
on a show called the Bragging Segment. Well, this is
Rushan McDonald's bragging segment. The Atlanta Business League host is
seventeen annual. This is in Atlanta, Georgia. Men of influenced
reception and induction ceremonies celebrating African American men and their
accomplished Congratulations to all of the members who will be
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sharing that room with me next week and one of
the legends of the Hall of Fame that will be
inducted to the incredible Warwick Done. If you don't know
what this young man has done with his life personally,
what he has done with the community, not only as
an athlete and a formal NFL player, but a philanthropist
house building is incredible. Google that man's name Warwick Done,
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w Rriick Done. But also there are other influencers out there.
Just share a few names. Not gonna burden you. People
who I'll call my classmates. You know Afred McCrae, he's
the president of the Bank of America Atlanta. My man,
doctor Kevin James, president of Morris Brown, doctor David A. Thomas,
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the president of Morehouse College, and many, many more will
be sharing that stage with me on the night of
Black Excellence. From a male perspective, The twenty twenty three
Atlanta Business League men of influence. I will be MOI
I'll be deducted to have my pictures. You know, I'm
gonna put it on social media. I'm gonna do it up.
I'm gonna do it up on the way Useean McDonald
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can do it up. But more importantly, my family be there,
and people that carry about will be there, and more
importantly WC Okay, we'll be there doing their thing because
we are a community station that shouts out to success,
not only from an entrepreneurial standpoint for the community. We're
a community base and we're leaders in that forefront, not
only in jazz. When this show streams worldwide, because I know,
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because of the fact that I get calls from Florida
to Pennsylvania, to California to the Midwest. But more importantly
than the guests I bring on the show, the guests
who have made this show so successful. And like again,
if you want to call and talk today, you know,
want to congratulate me for being honored, I take that
phone call. If you want to talk about some of
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the things you want to share from a small business perspective,
I would do that. Now let's get to business, my guests.
He's on the call and I had him on the
show before and it really dealt into chronic pain, mental stress,
overcoming the odds. His name is Jackson Dunbar. He triumphed
by earning a comfortable living after having lost it all.
(04:43):
Dunbar's committed to creating a new normal life for himself,
deliberately focused on his physical health and strength, continue to
earn an income while still in chronic pain, and without
his knowledge, was teaching himself and possibly the world, a
masterclass in survival. In this book, he gives a first
hand account on how he made money, lost nanty pals,
(05:05):
and thrived in chronic pain in the financial and health
care worlds. Please welcome the money Making Conversation master class
again the one and only Jackson Dunbar. How you doing, sir, great?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Thank you so much for having me. And I want
to say congratulations on the world.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I appreciate appreciate it, you know, because you know I
had to be nominated by it. I didn't. I didn't
do the nomination myself. When it was an email was
sent to me, I was surprised and uh taking am
back about it in a good way, you know, because
when I invite you and I meet people like you.
I'm being educated, Jackson. I'm being confronted with information I
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didn't know about. And I'm just going to share something
I was on vacation. I hurt my knee, Jackson, and
right now it's hurt right now, my left knee, and
so I continue to walk up the heels, I continue
to do everything with my family, and that ice packed it.
So I'm dealing with a degree of pain as we speak.
But I wanted to get into detail and talk about
the pain that you're dealing with. I would like to
(06:06):
believe you're dealing with it currently. Correct.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yes, yes, I am. I am a chronic pain patient
due to a car accident, chronic paying patient to someone
that's in Constant Paine over six months. I've been in
Constant Paine since twenty fifteen. That was when my accident occurred.
And yeah, I just have to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
When you say that now, right now, there's a you know,
I've had pain. I was in the hospital for thirty days.
My lung collapsed, and I remember, I'll shared the story
with everybody. I remember when I went into hospital, it
was in an emergency and the doctor pulled back the
courage and he said, we don't do immediate surgery on you,
you will die. I can always remember that statement. You
(06:50):
said that because my lung had collapsed so much that
I you know, you know it's interesting how you're long
you when it collapsed, it becomes the size of a quarters.
How that's how big it was when it collapsed. And
and and they had to so they had to do
surgery on me by making an incision or right above
my or along my small rib cage to insert a tube. Well,
(07:12):
guess what, they couldn't dead in anything. I had to
feel the incision. I had to feel the two being
inserted in me and deal with the pain. And I remember, Jackson,
it was just it was a moment where you just
had to deal with it. Otherwise the results wouldn't have
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came out that would allow me to talk today. How
did you because that was just an incident, but you're
dealing with it twenty four hours a day.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
How I think the hard part, and this took a
few years for me, was I was focused on what
I lost. The summer before the accident, I ran the
peach tree. I ran the peach tree with my wife, right,
you know. I used to back around thumb mountain time
with my son. So I think the first three years
of this I focused on that, and then what happened.
(08:06):
I started I met a minister and she told me, hey,
why don't you start focusing on the things you can do,
and then suggested I get therapy, on which I did.
I got to say, if you're chronic pain patient and
you don't have a good mental health team that can
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help you focus on those things that can keep your
focus and moving forward, yeah, you're missing a great piece
of something that's going to make you healthy long term.
So after after I got the tools in order to
figure out how to focus on what I could do,
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what I could do for myself, what I could do
for my family, what I could do for my community.
Then it became like any other problem I was solving business,
I myself. I have always been told I'm I create
a problem solver. Problem became, Hey, how do I make
How do I make money even though I can't leave
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my house? How do I lose weight even though I'm
on pay meds that make me gain weight? How do
I thrive in crime pain even though I'm on mids
that make me suicidal? How do I deal with the
racism that's singdemic and pain medacine treatment. As a middle
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aged black man who often Yeah, even though eighty percent
of the people that die from opiate overdoses are white
men and women between the ages of twenty five and
thirty two, I'm stereotyped often when I go in order
to get my medications. He's the reason I wrote my
book Race Matters and Pay Medicine, How I made money,
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Lost ninety pounds and where IV in crime Pain.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
It was interesting because a lot of sickle cell patients
get stereotype as drug users when they come in and
try to seek drug medication because they know what they're
supposed to get and they know they know why they
should be getting it, and people will call them or
accuse them of being drug users. So that a lot
of it is due to the fact because they are
(10:19):
people of color, they are offering the minority community and
people are stereotyping them. So I would have to say
that you oftentimes was a victim of stereotyping. Correct.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yes, yes, even despite the numbers that most of the
people who are dying from this do not look like us.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Wow, Now, it was something you put out there that
I wanted to bring back because in twenty twenty, during COVID,
therapy became a rise in the Black community, you know,
became a normal part of the conversation, the mental health conversation.
A lot of famous people started confessing their issues, a
lot of athletes started confessing their issues or with mental health,
(11:00):
and they COVID really sent people over the edge. A
lot of relationships were lost during the COVID period due
to mental strain. Now you said the word therapy. Now
with that a word, did you could share publicly with
your friends, with your people that you cared about as strangers,
without being looked upon as a person with a problem.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
You know what My favorite chapter in this book is
real Black men don't do therapy. And what's funny about
that is that I ownly Well met Atlanta. We're a
group of African American child and adolescent psychiatrists that work
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in the Greater Atlanta area. So I'm surrounded by a
psychiatrists and for whatever, and they were telling me, hey, listen,
something's off with you. I think you need therapy, and
I just wasn't hearing it. And it wasn't until what
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what happened. I was taking my daughter to the hair store.
Sally's right, yeah, closed the door on my face. I
started yelling at him. He called me an old man,
that this old man can kick your butt, and my
daughter was afraid of me.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
And he little Jackson, that was you talk about the
old man could kick your butt. That was you.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
And I was in a scooter saying this. I can
imagine that I was in a shooter telling some twenty
year old pump okay that could beat him down.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
And I had my nine year.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Old daughter there right right, and she looked.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
At me like I was crazy. And I came home.
I told my wife, Hey, you know what you're right,
Adam minimum all the work that I put into at
that time, I put a lot of work into my diet,
dropping weight in order to manage the pain, put any
work into my into my mind. So she helped me
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find a therapist that focused in chronic pain and the
psychiatrist that did as well. And the psychiatrist wasn't my
saving grace because what she was able to do was
lay out all my meds. At this time. The pain
doctor was giving me meds, the PCP was giving me meds,
the urologists was getting I was getting mads from everybody,
(13:27):
but there was no one serving as as a quarterback,
you know, to basically say hey, these meds should go here,
these meds shouldn't be here. Whatever psychiatrists did all that,
she was like, Okay, this is what's making you crazy,
that's making you gang weight. Yeah. So basically she got
rid of some things, outed some mothers, and then finally
(13:47):
think right and be myself again. It was it was
almost as if Hey, the person that I was was
gone for years and the finally I could think the
way the way I normally did.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah, because a lot of people who deal with I
get there. I hear this, bipolar illnesses complain about the meds.
They they often the time they will drop off of them.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
You know.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I recently interviewed Will Downing and his daughter was bipolar
and she committed suicide January of this year. And so
because of the fact that she got off of meds
and because of that uncomfiden zone, she went into isolation,
and of course isolation. So recently I say that we're
about to we're going to go to a break. But
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when I come back, I want to talk about your
support groups that got you through it, because of the
fact that when you came back home after that incident
that your daughter saw, you spoke to your wife and
that was an important conversation because that led you to
the better life that you lived today. We'll be right
back for more money making conversation talking to mister Jackson Dunbar.
(14:53):
We'll be getting to financial fire financial literacy later on
this show, but more importantly, How I made money is chat.
How I made money, lost ninety pounds and thrived in
chronic pain. If we were like, we'll be right back
with more money Making Conversation, please.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more money
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Speaker 1 (15:34):
I'm speaking with Jackson Gumbar. If you want to join
the conversation, I want to share your stories about mental
health recovery, accepting the fact that you needed of therapy
or in your life, because the whole thing about it
is I'm just trying to create an open line of conversation,
and so many people like us, people of colors, especially
men who avoid I've told people many times I probably
(15:56):
have dealt with depression many times in my life and
didn't even know it. I just dealt with it. And uh,
And you don't have to do that. You don't have
to deal with something by yourself. You don't have to
be a shame that something that's happening in your life
that's making you uncomfortable. And that's what this show really
is about. Money making Conversations, masterclass. It's a journey into
your spirit, into your soul with information and hopefully these
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interviews will motivate you to be honest with yourself, will
be motivated, will motivate you to share your understanding that
you can make a difference in life. That's all I do.
I get up every day trying to make a difference.
And I feel that my interview that I've had for
the second time with Jackson Dunbar, because he impacted a
lot of people the last time he was on the show,
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and bringing him back on the show really is kind
of like defining his purpose. His purpose is to let
people hear his story and motivate them to be winners.
Am I correct? Jackson?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Thank you for having me back.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Well, you know, I'll be honest with you. You know a
lot of people came to including one of my producers,
uh was recommending that I bring you back and said, Rashan,
we should really look at developing a show, especially in
around men and mental health, men in therapy, men in
you know, within the black community, we are you know,
(17:17):
we you know, last, high, first fire, last to get
the information on the financial end, last to get information
on therapy, scept the responsibility deny the gay community within
our household, deny there's age in our household. We're such
an in denial community that we're in the end, we
are only hurting ourselves by being misinformed about what we
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can do. And when you write a book like this,
which I feel is a very very purposeful book, How
I Made Money? You know, it's one of the chapters
in your book, what promlet do you select investing as
a money maker?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I think what I did. I think any trying to
pain patient and my position should do this as well.
Come to the reality that you are limited in what
you can do. If you're lucky with the payments, you
may have a few hours of lucidity at best. So
the question is is what's the best way to make money,
(18:15):
the biggest bang for the buck in that short amount
of time. And for me, it was investing. Let's see,
because of because I have a lot of great in NBA,
I spent a lot of time crunching numbers and analyzing
trends in my career, so I thought, hey, why why
can't I use that for the stock market. So essentially
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what I did was I said, hey, how much money
could I afford to lose on a trip to Vegas.
I'm talking hotel, airfare, gambling, whatnot. I'll without losing any sleep.
So I took those funds and I started investing.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I think, so let's give us a number of day.
I don't know how what's your trip to Vegas? Are
you know Softwales or your first class on Delta? What
do you roll with a do you roll with an
off strip motel? Or you on the strip? You know
in caesar Please please let us know what is your
version of a Vegas trip? Jackson?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Okay, okay, so hey, I'm way too over Southwest, I'm blind,
I'm staying at Caesars.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
When I get there, there you go, there you go,
there you go.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Okay, So so let's say five to.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Ten grand, there you go, there you go. You working there?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, okay, so five to ten granted. And at the
time when I started, interest rates were zero, so everybody
was making money, right, so I figured, hey, I had
more credentials than my financial planner. Why not give it
a shot. First month I turned that I what tripled
that money?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Okay? Now now then when you say that, now, you
gotta slow it down my team, because that's when they
get injured. This money made conversations massacre. How did you
triple your money? Was it crypto? Because that was a
big that was kind of like the raisee there Crypto
money get flipped real quick bigcoin? Did you what? What
made you make decisions on? Will you tech? Where were
you at with your money?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Okay? Where was I at?
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Neo?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I made most of that money on Neo, and and
I did get on I did get on bigcoin at
four thousand, so TOCI by accident to this day, if
I put that money on Ethereum, yeah, life that would
have been life changing. But bigcoin is one of those
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things is that you get on at a low let's
see at a low cost, Bashes, leave it alone. You'll
come back a year and bam, there's all this money.
That was what happened to me there at the at
the same time, anything.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Jack saying, you know you heard.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I feel is over here. Bam, all that money, it's
some people out there. They're by ready to commit suicide.
Listen to this call. I'm telling you we're not trying
to put people in the stress lane. When you can't
say bam, all that money that that that hurts my feeling.
I'm gonna be honest with you, Jack, that hurts my feeling.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
You know what's funny, Okay, When I started investing, within
a month, I went from my wife leaving the house.
I'm on the sofa in pain. You know how your
wife can look at you if you're not working, she's
got to go to work.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Right right, right, right right, Yeah, my wife understands the
pain I'm in, but still it's like, why is this
guy on the couch and I gotta go out.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I went from that and a month to baby, You've.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Had this skill set our whole life.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
And you never once thought about using it.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
And Jackson, Jacks, You're funny, she said, baby like that, baby, baby, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
And thirty days I couldn't believe.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
She went from cutting to evili You rolled around in
the wheelchair the baby. You got a skill set. I
didn't know you had. Come on over here, come over here,
let let's talk. But that, but that skill set. You know,
God is good in a lot of ways because of
the fact that you took advantage of You could have
sat in the corner and complained, took your drugs, not
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do therapy, and embarrass your daughter every year on her
birthday because you were mad at the life, because you
felt sorry for yourself. You know, because of the fact
that you know, right now my knee hurt, but it's
not in chronic pain. Because right now, when I get up,
I'm gonna feel the pain because my knee is at
an angle and I start to walk. I'm a feeling.
But you know, I tend to want to get a
(22:56):
clearer understanding if you could help me and my listeners.
What is a day in the life of a person
who's in criminal pain from when they get up or
what they try to sleep? What is that? And how
does that feel? And how do you how do you
how do what's that day to day out our experience.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Okay, Well it starts up with you wake up, Okay,
how do I get out of bed and at least
amount of pain? Then you go to okay, how do
I do number one or number two and at least
amount of pain?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Then then it's okay. You have to remember your meds.
And I've been taking the same mass for years HyET
forever reason that time of the day I always forget.
It's always hard to remember which meds to take. So
I got some for the morning, some for the afternoon,
and then some at night. It takes about an hour,
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and kind of groggy from my morning managed to kick in.
I'm on im on my recliner and I'm sort of
in between let's see, and then all of a sudden, bam,
I'm lucid, and I'm that way for the next few hours.
That's when that's when I'm trading. I'm looking at crypto,
(24:19):
I'm looking at crypto based fox, I'm looking at it.
Well here, Karon Hunter had me on her show back
in April. I told her Ribbean is shit. I hope
she listened to me, because she did, she would have
more than she would have almost tripled her money. I
think it was straightening her by nine dollars to share it.
Then I think it's somewhere around twenty five twenty six now,
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So I so I look at the trends and then
I told everyone, hey, hey, listen, if you want to
trade five find other people who like to trade as well,
because what ends up happening is that y'all former community.
And I might be a car guy, you might be
a I'm out of these guys. You may have them
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on up. That's a crypto guy. Anyway, We're all looking
at different aspects of the market, and you may find
something that I don't know about that makes money, and
vice versa. So we have a meeting, we discuss all
of that, right, and then I go about the business
of making some money. Afterwards, the meds were off, the
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pain becomes sharp. I wait until about four or so
to take my afternoon meds. Then the pain is really bad.
I will hopefully make it to the pool swim stretch,
and then by around eight nine o'clock I'm just on
the floor waiting to take the afternoon meds that will
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put me to sleep maybe around midnight, and then I
do it all over again. Wow.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Oh, thank you for sharing that that story. That's an
honest story. And I want you to stick around. And
I don't want to get back to the financial investing
because we only tip tip of the ice, creare. I
want the people understand your value. And also you're in
the healthcare field as well, correct Jackson.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yes, yes, psychiatry, childless and adult psychiatry.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Cool. We want to talk about that a little bit.
But more importantly, I just wanted to talk to my
audience for a minute about not only fiscal responsibility but
mental responsibility. Well, I look at my life, you know,
it was really interesting, Jackson. I will start thinking about
what I didn't do in my life. You know, that's
a that's a that's a place man, where you can
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wallow and pity. And if I had done this, this
could happened. If I'd done this, This could have happened
if I'd have went over here, if I wouldn't, And
we can never get into that point in our lives
and regret what we've done. We should only focus on
what we can do and plan a better life, not
only for yourself but for your family. And that was
(26:56):
one of the primary reasons Jackson. I wanted to bring
you back on the show because I felt our interview
was fantastic, but I really wanted people hear the sacrifices
that your family makes due to this accident related injury
that came into your life. You didn't plan on living
a life of chronic painting. Like you said, you was
bike riding, he was done the Peach Tree five k race,
(27:20):
and so you was active. But you did not let
a negative win in your life. And that's important and
that's part of your motivation now. I would assume.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Correct, yes, yes, and when and when you get I
call it the dark and the light side of the forest. Okay,
standing on that dark side, only focus on the things
you can't No nothing but misery over there. When you
make your life one hundred about what can I do
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to maximize my life in the three or four hours
I have a day, You'll be You'll be shocked at
just what your mind comes up with. If you don't
have time to be us around or any of this
other stuff. You got to get to get the business.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
And that's how and that's how I focused myself.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
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lost all the rules of radio and being on vacation.
It's amazing when you when you go on vacation. And
because of the fact that my body was different, my
mind was different, my world was different. As soon as
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it got on that plane halfway back over here, I
could tell my body was different. I can tell the
focus I started realizing. I was about to get back
into the jungle, the jungle we call every day life.
I'm about to start seeing, you know, reading about stuff
I don't want to read about evening news, all that
good stuff. But again, so that tells you there's something
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I used to didn't. I didn't take vacations. Man, I
didn't take vacations at all. I was so paranoid, worried
about getting off that little wheel that somebody's gonna take
my slide or I would lose my advantage. And not
realizing the advantage I was losing was not spending enough
time with my family, not taking care of my body,
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lot on the show today. If you want to talk
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Because my story is I'm being undered next week and
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I'm happy to say that. And the fact that somebody
has thought of media Atlanta Business League has thought of
myself and somebody had to nominate me. I didn't nominate myself.
Nobody thought enough to nominate me. And because of that,
I'm being recognized for being a community leader, for being
an entrepreneur. And that amazing in itself that somebody thought
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seventeen annual. This is in Atlanta, Georgia. Men of influenced
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what he has done with the community, not only as
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house building is incredible. Google that man's name Warwick Done,
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Just share a few names. Not gonna burden you. People
who I'll call my classmates. You know Afred McCrae, he's
the president of the Bank of America Atlanta. My man,
doctor Kevin James, president of Morris Brown, doctor David A. Thomas,
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the president of Morehouse College, and many, many more will
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Atlanta Business League men of influence. I will be MOI
I'll be deducted to have my pictures. You know, I'm
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can do it up. But more importantly, my family be there,
and people that carry about will be there, and more
importantly WC Okay, we'll be there doing their thing because
we are a community station that shouts out to success,
not only from an entrepreneurial standpoint for the community. We're
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because of the fact that I get calls from Florida
to Pennsylvania, to California to the Midwest. But more importantly
than the guests I bring on the show, the guests
who have made this show so successful. And like again,
if you want to call and talk today, you know,
want to congratulate me for being honored, I take that
phone call. If you want to talk about some of
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the things you want to share from a small business perspective,
I would do that. Now let's get to business, my guests.
He's on the call and I had him on the
show before and it really dealt into chronic pain, mental stress,
overcoming the odds. His name is Jackson Dunbar. He triumphed
by earning a comfortable living after having lost it all.
(04:43):
Dunbar's committed to creating a new normal life for himself,
deliberately focused on his physical health and strength, continue to
earn an income while still in chronic pain, and without
his knowledge, was teaching himself and possibly the world, a
masterclass in survival. In this book, he gives a first
hand account on how he made money, lost nanty pals,
(05:05):
and thrived in chronic pain in the financial and health
care worlds. Please welcome the money Making Conversation master class
again the one and only Jackson Dunbar. How you doing, sir, great?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Thank you so much for having me. And I want
to say congratulations on the world.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I appreciate appreciate it, you know, because you know I
had to be nominated by it. I didn't. I didn't
do the nomination myself. When it was an email was
sent to me, I was surprised and uh taking am
back about it in a good way, you know, because
when I invite you and I meet people like you.
I'm being educated, Jackson. I'm being confronted with information I
(05:44):
didn't know about. And I'm just going to share something
I was on vacation. I hurt my knee, Jackson, and
right now it's hurt right now, my left knee, and
so I continue to walk up the heels, I continue
to do everything with my family, and that ice packed it.
So I'm dealing with a degree of pain as we speak.
But I wanted to get into detail and talk about
the pain that you're dealing with. I would like to
(06:06):
believe you're dealing with it currently. Correct.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yes, yes, I am. I am a chronic pain patient
due to a car accident, chronic paying patient to someone
that's in Constant Paine over six months. I've been in
Constant Paine since twenty fifteen. That was when my accident occurred.
And yeah, I just have to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
When you say that now, right now, there's a you know,
I've had pain. I was in the hospital for thirty days.
My lung collapsed, and I remember, I'll shared the story
with everybody. I remember when I went into hospital, it
was in an emergency and the doctor pulled back the
courage and he said, we don't do immediate surgery on you,
you will die. I can always remember that statement. You
(06:50):
said that because my lung had collapsed so much that
I you know, you know it's interesting how you're long
you when it collapsed, it becomes the size of a quarters.
How that's how big it was when it collapsed. And
and and they had to so they had to do
surgery on me by making an incision or right above
my or along my small rib cage to insert a tube. Well,
(07:12):
guess what, they couldn't dead in anything. I had to
feel the incision. I had to feel the two being
inserted in me and deal with the pain. And I remember, Jackson,
it was just it was a moment where you just
had to deal with it. Otherwise the results wouldn't have
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came out that would allow me to talk today. How
did you because that was just an incident, but you're
dealing with it twenty four hours a day.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
How I think the hard part, and this took a
few years for me, was I was focused on what
I lost. The summer before the accident, I ran the
peach tree. I ran the peach tree with my wife, right,
you know. I used to back around thumb mountain time
with my son. So I think the first three years
of this I focused on that, and then what happened.
(08:06):
I started I met a minister and she told me, hey,
why don't you start focusing on the things you can do,
and then suggested I get therapy, on which I did.
I got to say, if you're chronic pain patient and
you don't have a good mental health team that can
(08:27):
help you focus on those things that can keep your
focus and moving forward, yeah, you're missing a great piece
of something that's going to make you healthy long term.
So after after I got the tools in order to
figure out how to focus on what I could do,
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what I could do for myself, what I could do
for my family, what I could do for my community.
Then it became like any other problem I was solving business,
I myself. I have always been told I'm I create
a problem solver. Problem became, Hey, how do I make
How do I make money even though I can't leave
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my house? How do I lose weight even though I'm
on pay meds that make me gain weight? How do
I thrive in crime pain even though I'm on mids
that make me suicidal? How do I deal with the
racism that's singdemic and pain medacine treatment. As a middle
(09:31):
aged black man who often Yeah, even though eighty percent
of the people that die from opiate overdoses are white
men and women between the ages of twenty five and
thirty two, I'm stereotyped often when I go in order
to get my medications. He's the reason I wrote my
book Race Matters and Pay Medicine, How I made money,
(09:53):
Lost ninety pounds and where IV in crime Pain.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
It was interesting because a lot of sickle cell patients
get stereotype as drug users when they come in and
try to seek drug medication because they know what they're
supposed to get and they know they know why they
should be getting it, and people will call them or
accuse them of being drug users. So that a lot
of it is due to the fact because they are
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people of color, they are offering the minority community and
people are stereotyping them. So I would have to say
that you oftentimes was a victim of stereotyping. Correct.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yes, yes, even despite the numbers that most of the
people who are dying from this do not look like us.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Wow, Now, it was something you put out there that
I wanted to bring back because in twenty twenty, during COVID,
therapy became a rise in the Black community, you know,
became a normal part of the conversation, the mental health conversation.
A lot of famous people started confessing their issues, a
lot of athletes started confessing their issues or with mental health,
(11:00):
and they COVID really sent people over the edge. A
lot of relationships were lost during the COVID period due
to mental strain. Now you said the word therapy. Now
with that a word, did you could share publicly with
your friends, with your people that you cared about as strangers,
without being looked upon as a person with a problem.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
You know what My favorite chapter in this book is
real Black men don't do therapy. And what's funny about
that is that I ownly Well met Atlanta. We're a
group of African American child and adolescent psychiatrists that work
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in the Greater Atlanta area. So I'm surrounded by a
psychiatrists and for whatever, and they were telling me, hey, listen,
something's off with you. I think you need therapy, and
I just wasn't hearing it. And it wasn't until what
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what happened. I was taking my daughter to the hair store.
Sally's right, yeah, closed the door on my face. I
started yelling at him. He called me an old man,
that this old man can kick your butt, and my
daughter was afraid of me.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
And he little Jackson, that was you talk about the
old man could kick your butt. That was you.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
And I was in a scooter saying this. I can
imagine that I was in a shooter telling some twenty
year old pump okay that could beat him down.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
And I had my nine year.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Old daughter there right right, and she looked.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
At me like I was crazy. And I came home.
I told my wife, Hey, you know what you're right,
Adam minimum all the work that I put into at
that time, I put a lot of work into my diet,
dropping weight in order to manage the pain, put any
work into my into my mind. So she helped me
(13:04):
find a therapist that focused in chronic pain and the
psychiatrist that did as well. And the psychiatrist wasn't my
saving grace because what she was able to do was
lay out all my meds. At this time. The pain
doctor was giving me meds, the PCP was giving me meds,
the urologists was getting I was getting mads from everybody,
(13:27):
but there was no one serving as as a quarterback,
you know, to basically say hey, these meds should go here,
these meds shouldn't be here. Whatever psychiatrists did all that,
she was like, Okay, this is what's making you crazy,
that's making you gang weight. Yeah. So basically she got
rid of some things, outed some mothers, and then finally
(13:47):
think right and be myself again. It was it was
almost as if Hey, the person that I was was
gone for years and the finally I could think the
way the way I normally did.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah, because a lot of people who deal with I
get there. I hear this, bipolar illnesses complain about the meds.
They they often the time they will drop off of them.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
You know.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I recently interviewed Will Downing and his daughter was bipolar
and she committed suicide January of this year. And so
because of the fact that she got off of meds
and because of that uncomfiden zone, she went into isolation,
and of course isolation. So recently I say that we're
about to we're going to go to a break. But
(14:32):
when I come back, I want to talk about your
support groups that got you through it, because of the
fact that when you came back home after that incident
that your daughter saw, you spoke to your wife and
that was an important conversation because that led you to
the better life that you lived today. We'll be right
back for more money making conversation talking to mister Jackson Dunbar.
(14:53):
We'll be getting to financial fire financial literacy later on
this show, but more importantly, How I made money is chat.
How I made money, lost ninety pounds and thrived in
chronic pain. If we were like, we'll be right back
with more money Making Conversation, please.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more money
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Speaker 1 (15:34):
I'm speaking with Jackson Gumbar. If you want to join
the conversation, I want to share your stories about mental
health recovery, accepting the fact that you needed of therapy
or in your life, because the whole thing about it
is I'm just trying to create an open line of conversation,
and so many people like us, people of colors, especially
men who avoid I've told people many times I probably
(15:56):
have dealt with depression many times in my life and
didn't even know it. I just dealt with it. And uh,
And you don't have to do that. You don't have
to deal with something by yourself. You don't have to
be a shame that something that's happening in your life
that's making you uncomfortable. And that's what this show really
is about. Money making Conversations, masterclass. It's a journey into
your spirit, into your soul with information and hopefully these
(16:19):
interviews will motivate you to be honest with yourself, will
be motivated, will motivate you to share your understanding that
you can make a difference in life. That's all I do.
I get up every day trying to make a difference.
And I feel that my interview that I've had for
the second time with Jackson Dunbar, because he impacted a
lot of people the last time he was on the show,
(16:39):
and bringing him back on the show really is kind
of like defining his purpose. His purpose is to let
people hear his story and motivate them to be winners.
Am I correct? Jackson?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Thank you for having me back.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Well, you know, I'll be honest with you. You know a
lot of people came to including one of my producers,
uh was recommending that I bring you back and said, Rashan,
we should really look at developing a show, especially in
around men and mental health, men in therapy, men in
you know, within the black community, we are you know,
(17:17):
we you know, last, high, first fire, last to get
the information on the financial end, last to get information
on therapy, scept the responsibility deny the gay community within
our household, deny there's age in our household. We're such
an in denial community that we're in the end, we
are only hurting ourselves by being misinformed about what we
(17:37):
can do. And when you write a book like this,
which I feel is a very very purposeful book, How
I Made Money? You know, it's one of the chapters
in your book, what promlet do you select investing as
a money maker?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I think what I did. I think any trying to
pain patient and my position should do this as well.
Come to the reality that you are limited in what
you can do. If you're lucky with the payments, you
may have a few hours of lucidity at best. So
the question is is what's the best way to make money,
(18:15):
the biggest bang for the buck in that short amount
of time. And for me, it was investing. Let's see,
because of because I have a lot of great in NBA,
I spent a lot of time crunching numbers and analyzing
trends in my career, so I thought, hey, why why
can't I use that for the stock market. So essentially
(18:37):
what I did was I said, hey, how much money
could I afford to lose on a trip to Vegas.
I'm talking hotel, airfare, gambling, whatnot. I'll without losing any sleep.
So I took those funds and I started investing.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I think, so let's give us a number of day.
I don't know how what's your trip to Vegas? Are
you know Softwales or your first class on Delta? What
do you roll with a do you roll with an
off strip motel? Or you on the strip? You know
in caesar Please please let us know what is your
version of a Vegas trip? Jackson?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Okay, okay, so hey, I'm way too over Southwest, I'm blind,
I'm staying at Caesars.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
When I get there, there you go, there you go,
there you go.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Okay, So so let's say five to.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Ten grand, there you go, there you go. You working there?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, okay, so five to ten granted. And at the
time when I started, interest rates were zero, so everybody
was making money, right, so I figured, hey, I had
more credentials than my financial planner. Why not give it
a shot. First month I turned that I what tripled
that money?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Okay? Now now then when you say that, now, you
gotta slow it down my team, because that's when they
get injured. This money made conversations massacre. How did you
triple your money? Was it crypto? Because that was a
big that was kind of like the raisee there Crypto
money get flipped real quick bigcoin? Did you what? What
made you make decisions on? Will you tech? Where were
you at with your money?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Okay? Where was I at?
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Neo?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I made most of that money on Neo, and and
I did get on I did get on bigcoin at
four thousand, so TOCI by accident to this day, if
I put that money on Ethereum, yeah, life that would
have been life changing. But bigcoin is one of those
(20:41):
things is that you get on at a low let's
see at a low cost, Bashes, leave it alone. You'll
come back a year and bam, there's all this money.
That was what happened to me there at the at
the same time, anything.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Jack saying, you know you heard.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I feel is over here. Bam, all that money, it's
some people out there. They're by ready to commit suicide.
Listen to this call. I'm telling you we're not trying
to put people in the stress lane. When you can't
say bam, all that money that that that hurts my feeling.
I'm gonna be honest with you, Jack, that hurts my feeling.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
You know what's funny, Okay, When I started investing, within
a month, I went from my wife leaving the house.
I'm on the sofa in pain. You know how your
wife can look at you if you're not working, she's
got to go to work.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Right right, right, right right, Yeah, my wife understands the
pain I'm in, but still it's like, why is this
guy on the couch and I gotta go out.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I went from that and a month to baby, You've.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Had this skill set our whole life.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
And you never once thought about using it.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
And Jackson, Jacks, You're funny, she said, baby like that, baby, baby, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
And thirty days I couldn't believe.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
She went from cutting to evili You rolled around in
the wheelchair the baby. You got a skill set. I
didn't know you had. Come on over here, come over here,
let let's talk. But that, but that skill set. You know,
God is good in a lot of ways because of
the fact that you took advantage of You could have
sat in the corner and complained, took your drugs, not
(22:33):
do therapy, and embarrass your daughter every year on her
birthday because you were mad at the life, because you
felt sorry for yourself. You know, because of the fact
that you know, right now my knee hurt, but it's
not in chronic pain. Because right now, when I get up,
I'm gonna feel the pain because my knee is at
an angle and I start to walk. I'm a feeling.
But you know, I tend to want to get a
(22:56):
clearer understanding if you could help me and my listeners.
What is a day in the life of a person
who's in criminal pain from when they get up or
what they try to sleep? What is that? And how
does that feel? And how do you how do you
how do what's that day to day out our experience.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Okay, Well it starts up with you wake up, Okay,
how do I get out of bed and at least
amount of pain? Then you go to okay, how do
I do number one or number two and at least
amount of pain?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Then then it's okay. You have to remember your meds.
And I've been taking the same mass for years HyET
forever reason that time of the day I always forget.
It's always hard to remember which meds to take. So
I got some for the morning, some for the afternoon,
and then some at night. It takes about an hour,
(23:55):
and kind of groggy from my morning managed to kick in.
I'm on im on my recliner and I'm sort of
in between let's see, and then all of a sudden, bam,
I'm lucid, and I'm that way for the next few hours.
That's when that's when I'm trading. I'm looking at crypto,
(24:19):
I'm looking at crypto based fox, I'm looking at it.
Well here, Karon Hunter had me on her show back
in April. I told her Ribbean is shit. I hope
she listened to me, because she did, she would have
more than she would have almost tripled her money. I
think it was straightening her by nine dollars to share it.
Then I think it's somewhere around twenty five twenty six now,
(24:40):
So I so I look at the trends and then
I told everyone, hey, hey, listen, if you want to
trade five find other people who like to trade as well,
because what ends up happening is that y'all former community.
And I might be a car guy, you might be
a I'm out of these guys. You may have them
(25:02):
on up. That's a crypto guy. Anyway, We're all looking
at different aspects of the market, and you may find
something that I don't know about that makes money, and
vice versa. So we have a meeting, we discuss all
of that, right, and then I go about the business
of making some money. Afterwards, the meds were off, the
(25:23):
pain becomes sharp. I wait until about four or so
to take my afternoon meds. Then the pain is really bad.
I will hopefully make it to the pool swim stretch,
and then by around eight nine o'clock I'm just on
the floor waiting to take the afternoon meds that will
(25:45):
put me to sleep maybe around midnight, and then I
do it all over again. Wow.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Oh, thank you for sharing that that story. That's an
honest story. And I want you to stick around. And
I don't want to get back to the financial investing
because we only tip tip of the ice, creare. I
want the people understand your value. And also you're in
the healthcare field as well, correct Jackson.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yes, yes, psychiatry, childless and adult psychiatry.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Cool. We want to talk about that a little bit.
But more importantly, I just wanted to talk to my
audience for a minute about not only fiscal responsibility but
mental responsibility. Well, I look at my life, you know,
it was really interesting, Jackson. I will start thinking about
what I didn't do in my life. You know, that's
a that's a that's a place man, where you can
(26:33):
wallow and pity. And if I had done this, this
could happened. If I'd done this, This could have happened
if I'd have went over here, if I wouldn't, And
we can never get into that point in our lives
and regret what we've done. We should only focus on
what we can do and plan a better life, not
only for yourself but for your family. And that was
(26:56):
one of the primary reasons Jackson. I wanted to bring
you back on the show because I felt our interview
was fantastic, but I really wanted people hear the sacrifices
that your family makes due to this accident related injury
that came into your life. You didn't plan on living
a life of chronic painting. Like you said, you was
bike riding, he was done the Peach Tree five k race,
(27:20):
and so you was active. But you did not let
a negative win in your life. And that's important and
that's part of your motivation now. I would assume.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Correct, yes, yes, and when and when you get I
call it the dark and the light side of the forest. Okay,
standing on that dark side, only focus on the things
you can't No nothing but misery over there. When you
make your life one hundred about what can I do
(27:54):
to maximize my life in the three or four hours
I have a day, You'll be You'll be shocked at
just what your mind comes up with. If you don't
have time to be us around or any of this
other stuff. You got to get to get the business.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
And that's how and that's how I focused myself.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Remember this. If you planning a vacation, think about it. Twice.
You might want to invest. You're listening to money Making
Conversations master Class hosted about Rashad McDonald and my man
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