May 26, 2024 • 32 mins
Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAAed Dr. Dawn Brown. KnowCP Image Award-winning television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Dr. Dawn Brown who was diagnosed with ADHD herself while completing her child fellowship program, during her early 30’s. As a result, she possesses a unique understanding of the frustrations surrounding treatment and the need for compassionate, ongoing support. Her advocacy for getting properly diagnosed with ADHD has garnered acclaim from across the nation. She is highly sought-after for her expertise and appears frequently in television interviews, podcasts, and online publications.
Mental health is the cornerstone of a long and successful life, and Dr. Dawn Brown is your go-to expert on this journey. As the owner and operator of The Innovator Health-letics Centers, Dr. Brown is dedicated to keeping both athletes and everyday individuals at their mental peak. Whether you're striving for gold on the field or simply aiming to be your best self, Dr. Brown's innovative approach ensures you're always on your A-game. Tune in and discover how to unlock your full potential with the unparalleled expertise of Dr. Dawn Brown!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If you're about to make a change in your life
and you feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
That's the best feeling you can have.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Because for the first time in your life, you're making
a decision that's.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Going to be best for you and not what somebody
told you to do. And that's when all bets are off.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Welcome to Money Making Conversation Masterclass. I'm your host with
Sean McDonald. Our theme is there's no perfect time to
start following your dreams. I recognize that we all have
different definitions of success.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
For you and maybe decide to your by chain.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's time to stop reading other people's success stories to
start living.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Your own keep winning.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Welcome to Money Making Conversation. I'm your host with Sean McDonald.
It's time to stop reading the other people's success story.
You hear me tell everyone every week that's my opening mantra,
and I also tell you just start writing your own
stories because it's your story, nobody else can write it.
A lot of people see a dream, other people's opportunities,
to see other athletes, to see other acts, as they
see other entrepreneurs.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
That's the story.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
In order for you to be successful, you have to
write your own story and I always tell you to
leave what your gifts. Gifts can be your passion and
don't let your age, friends, family, or coworkers stop you
from planning or living your dreams. The interviews I do
on Money Making Conversation involve celebrity CEOs, entrepreneurs, and industry
decision makers. My next guest is what I like to
call an industry decision maker. She's a she changes the game.
(01:27):
My name is doctor Don Brown. Doctor Don Brown is
a double Board certified Child, adolescent, adult and sports psychiatrists.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
That's a lot. Let me say that one with that.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Doctor Brown is a double Board certified child, adolescent, adult,
and sports psychiatrists. The reason I bring up because my daughter,
she was a tennis projecy at sixteen, and I know
that we had to use a person that like this
services because when you get into sports, you question yourself a.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Lot, and then you can be an injury you can
come in and play.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So it's a lot of things that's physical and many
mental aspects of their athleticism and.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Also in everyday life that comes into play.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
She's also a pioneer of the mental health movement and
then nationally recognize two time number one best selling author, Forbes,
writer adhd Coach, mental health expert and public speaker. We're
going to discuss with doctor Brown why she chose psychiatry
as our specialty, how to prioritize your health, and the
stigma regarding mental health. That's a big one right there.
(02:26):
Plus doctor Brown's secrets to being a successful serial entrepreneur.
You know this money Made conversation. You know I how
to bring that up. Please, welcome to Money Made Conversations.
She's living in Houston, straight out of Flint, Michigan, Doctor
Don Brown.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
How you doing, doctor Brown.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Mister Sean, thank you so much for having me. It's
a pleasure to be here. I'm doing great. Thank you
for asking.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Well, first of all, you look for t ask got
money green on? You got money green on?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Now there you tell you said it a little bit
earlier Flint, Michigan. We know what's going on up there now,
just not out the story about trying to get find
out what's going on with the drink water. But it
is a part of your past and part of your life,
because I'm sure you're a relative.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Still in up there now. You're in Houston, Texas, and we.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Just came off that freeze storm that basically shut down
the state of Texas, and saw how they were unprepared
and it's what we call the state they're supposed to
have they act together.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
That's the state of Texas.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
And we're still dealing with the consequences of that freeze
that really caused.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
The loss of a lot of lives, and that's important.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
So when you're dealing with that, that's all the reason
I bring these up is that those situations caused mental stress.
The Flint mission that you Michigan situation where people are
drinking water they have to worry if that water's going
to cause deformity and a childbirthing situation or cut short
their life where their children grow up, where they affect
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their brain or they grow or their growth patterns. That's
Flint Michigan. Then you deal with the freeze situation that
happened in Texas and people are still trying to recover
from the mental I guess I want to say effect
of trust when it happened again, would I be prepared
to happen with that?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Talk about the whole.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Mental makeup of people in general when stress comes into
their life.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
It's a very interesting question.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
You bring up and even to mention Hurricane Harvey in
there as well, right, and the comparisons. You know, trauma
can be a blessing and a curse. It's actually a
silver lining in trauma. And how I say that is
because it's obvious the curse, right, the traumatic experience that
people can experience with how traumatizing the situation, the condition
experience could be for someone, how that affects their mentality,
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how the affects their emotional health and even their physical health.
And then just like you're saying their trust factor, you
know what's going to happen next is that I'm going
to drop out again. I cannot be happy because I
know something bad is going to happen.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
But then it's the blessing. Many people have been.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Motivated by trauma, you know, the determination, the diligence, the drive,
the resilience of trum right, and so wanting to motivate
yourself out of a situation, find the tools and the
keys necessary to do so, and never stop giving up. So,
but then the baggage is still there, and if you
don't address it, you don't deal with it, it can
(05:14):
actually affect your mental health particularly and leave.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
A lot of stars.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Well, let's talk about the mental health from a standpoint
of just day to day living. Let's talk about the
minority community and what we all know. The minority community
kind of shunes from showing weaknesses, and some people feel
that if you admit that you have a mental illness,
then you are weak, that you are showing at flaw,
a flaw that can help people measure you based on
(05:42):
your credibility, your sustainability as far as what you can
do with your life. Now, let's backtrack a little bit
about the minority community in Houston text I'm just using
in the Houston texts as an example because I forgot
about Hurricane Harvey in twenty seventeen. Hurricane Harvey happened between
the devastated the city of Houston, who would affected.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
The most minorities.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Then you move forward into twenty twenty and COVID hit.
On top of COVID devastated the minority community. Okay, then
the George Floyd situation came out, rioting on social and
civil unrest. Still on top of that, you were dealing
with COVID nineteen. How do you deal with that? No vaccination?
(06:23):
Then we move into Texas, Then we did the Still
on top of that, no vaccination yet the big Texas
freeze hit. Who did it affect the most minorities? Okay,
now we're coming out. We have a vaccination set up
when we can get vaccinated, and minorities are one of
the slowest group that want to get vaccinated.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
So that's where the trust comes in.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
But there's also the stress because our jobs are saying
if you don't get vaccinated, you may not.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Have a job here anymore. Doctor Brown, The floor is
yours now.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Wait, So it's so much to unpack there, right, because
historically mental health, physical health, just medical in general, medical
health has not done people of color.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Due diligence, has not been justified.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Right, I mean, this is an actual industry that has
actually been targeted towards people of color having been there, mistreated,
not treated, not diagnosed properly.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I mean, I can go on and on and when
you talk about mental.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Health, all of those factors play a role, and it's
few of us. The lack of access, the lack of
education coming from people like me that look like people
who want to hear information, who want help but just
don't know who to trust, where to go to if
they have the financial need or the financial reasons of
being able to go. I mean, it's just so much right,
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and so what we try to do is we try
to just start at one step at a time. When
you have insult after insult that you're saying with Sean
from things outside of our control such as weather patterns
and you know, the traumatic effects of Harvey and Houston,
and then like you're saying the power outers, the water
outers here in Easton, and then you're talking about COVID
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nineteen and you're talking about people like look like me
that are you know, brutalized and murdered in the street
protest going on. I mean, it's insult after insult. So
what happens to our emotional health? Yes, it's traumatized and
it's scarred, and if we don't do something about that,
then it could be actually jeopardizing and very dangerous because
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those scars don't heal, they don't heal at all unless
you address them. You know, you can have a physical
wound and you can actually see how the womb hears,
how the skin, which is the largest organize system, can
actually do miraculous things.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
And just covering up.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
That scar, you may have something to remind you of
that scar, but it's not a wound that's open, it's cut,
that's not you know, vicious. But when you talking about
emotional health, it's something completely different. And a lot of
the scar actually can become generational. It can actually be
triggering and actually can come up in different situations where
you're not even thinking.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
About it subconsciously.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
So, yes, emotional health is just as equally as important
as physical health, and in our community people of color,
we definitely have to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Well, let's talk about that, because I really like that
analogy of the open scar, a wound that doesn't heal,
because let's talk about that for a mess, because that's
what happens. From the mental lives, we can't see it,
so it cannot be acknowledged as a problem to the
everyday viewer or the everyday.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Eye you came in.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
If I came into the house and my daughter came
into the house and her knee was scar, we go,
what's wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Let's fix that.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
We put some salve on it, some alcohol shill stream
I daddy, no, no, then put a bandage on it.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Then all of a sudden, we'll watch it.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Make sure it doesn't get infected, and then when it's
when there's when there's repaired fully, then we're comfortable again. Now,
from a mental aspect, we don't see that. So if
we did come in here and we saw a wound
on the side of your head, and that signified that
you were having mental stress, then we will know what
to do. And guess what we would do, doctor Brown,
(10:13):
We will want to fix that problem. But when it's mental,
then all of a sudden, you know, a lot of terms,
he crazy, he don't have good sense, a lot of
terms that I've heard in my neighborhood where you know
that don't go to him, that's a crazy do it
on the corner, you know, walk past, walk fast past him.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Because it was always deemed that somebody who was not
who was.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Mentally stressed, was a person that you should stay away
from in the minority community.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Am I right or wrong?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
No, you're exactly one hundred percent right. I mean a
band aid is to cover up a wound, just like
a smile, just cut up depression.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
But again there's a historical analogy here. We were taught
not to show emotions, right, think about slavery. If you
showed a bigger emotion than you were actually beaten, bruised, victimized, shunned,
all of those things, right, And so we had to
be strong in order to survive that time period, in
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order to make it to another day, in order to
be okay. But again, historically we were taught to do that,
and that's become generational, part of the generational purse, if
you will that. Nowadays, we steal, many of us don't
show that emotion, right, And it's taught that if this
is a sign of weakness, just like as a slave,
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it's a.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Sign of weakness.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
You're not good enough, you're not built well enough, all
of these type of things. But I often tell my
people of color, hey, you don't.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Have to do that anymore. That was back then. This
is now. You have me to hear, to support you,
your family that loves you. Here are the other support systems.
And it's okay. It's okay not to have to smile
all the time. It's okay to cry.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
It's God's tears. You say, hey, I need an emotional
release because I'm human. And back then we weren't considered human,
were considered animals, we were considered victims, we were considered
all these things that we couldn't actually express ourselves, and
part of that mentality is still again a part of
today's society, especially.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
In people of color.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
But again even if we encourage people like me to
encourage our people yet instilled in different environments, atmosphere and
work with whatever social circles, that mentality still exists.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Right, we know, it's really interesting in just hearing you talk,
is that you know they you know, I hear the
words council, councel, culture, which I can't stand. I hear
worries about you know, why do we have to worry
about chance transgender? Why do you have to worry about
the issue. Why are all these people coming out of
the closet? Why why because they have been afraid. They've
(12:54):
been afraid to live a life. So now we're at
that mental health We are afraid, and we're trying to
erode or remove the barriers of fear. It's all right
to say you are depressed. It's all right to say
that you know that you don't feel good and that
you you're stressing, and that you this is you've you've
(13:17):
reached your moment.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
You need time for yourself. It's all right. To take
vacation away from your world.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
And so I say that because when I talk, when
I'm talking to you, doctor Brown, I take this stuff
very personal because of the fact that people can criticize,
and criticis people don't know the power of criticism really
can stop a lot of people from seeking help.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
And am I am I correct when I'm saying that,
yes you are.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
It is because not only do you have to consider
the criticism that comes externally, but how internally as well.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Right, we don't help criticize ourselves, you know, and that's important.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So so because I I you know, like I said,
we have a lot to talk about it, but I
want to just talk about that little portion. But I
want to talk about the mental health athletics athletics centers
that you have and then the services that they offer.
And why was it important to you know, rap put
the word athletic and health together and maybe they understand
it all has always been one.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
You know, I don't care if you Venus Williams or
if you Tom Brady. There is a psychology, there is
a mental ability. There has been known that the.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Reason Serena Williams has not won the Graham Slave Record
because she stresses out too much in the finals, And
you said, Henix Serena Williams, Yes, Yes, stress and mental
breakdowns have cost her from achieving her dream of winning
all the last few Grand Slams that she's been in.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
And so even at that high level, how do you.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Come in with these clinics that you created and combine
health and athletics. We'll be right back with more from
Rajohn McDonald and The Making Conversations don't.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Touch that though.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Welcome back to the Money Making Conversations Masterclass hosted by
Rashaan MacDonald. Money Making Conversations Masterclass continues online at Moneymakingconversations
dot com and follow Money Making Conversations Masterclass on Facebook, Twitter,
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Speaker 4 (15:23):
That reason right there, you mentioned the mission.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
You know, I want athletes to understand that they're a
human just who happen to have at THEIC abilities.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
So we're recognizing them as human first, and a.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Lot of times when they were younger, you know, they
were identified as athletes.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
So many of them don't even understand who they are.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
You know, they're trying to find their identity through it all,
through their journey, and oftentimes that comes too late during
retirement and that's where we see a lot of mint
health conditions as well that may come up. But when
you talk about an active athlete who is injured, who
actually is trying the top last year's number, who is
going for the three p I mean all of these
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pressures mental conditioning cannot deal with.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I mean they have mental health issues just like us.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Actually, as a matter of fact, more of them have
mental health issues than the general population. So I thought
it was critical so they can understand that, Hey, I
see you, you're a human first, As a recognized psychiatrist,
I'm here to assist you. All of you may not
need medicine. All of you may just need a listening ear.
How about just wanting to hear what you want in life? Right,
(16:32):
wanting to understand what happened to last night's game that.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
An interview didn't address.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
They're already criticizing you before you were able to even
you know, process what's happened. So you know, it could
be as little as that or as big as an
issue is having a family history of trauma that got
them out the neighborhood to go pro That was a
part of their journey, right, So I wanted something that
it can be all inclusive, that athletes can take advantage
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of and working with someone.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Like me, and that is trust. You know that they
can trust let measine it.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
So you were there for them.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
So why did you I hear what you know just
the journey we were talking about now, but early when
we came out of high school we started going into college.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
What led you to this field? What led you to
this range of study?
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Why it came to me? Rashaan.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I actually recently had graduated from my child Fellowship program
at Baylor, and I was in private practice for about
two two and a half years and a Houston Rocket
player came to see me in my private practice and
he and his wife came and he was experiencing anxiety.
He didn't know what the terminology was at the time,
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but he actually said, I'm just I'm short of air
like I'm short of bread. I can't breathe, and these
are the conditions that lead to me not being able
to breathe. And so he was describing some of these
instances and we actually came up with the terminology that
identified him having panic attacks underneath the umbrella.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Of having an anxiety disorder. And so that's how it started.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
And you know the.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Schools are so small, right, I mean, nowadays do you
have different professional associations that are gun hole for mental
health mental awareness? And I'm loving this initiatives that are
now out. But back then, even just six years ago,
it was difficult for him to come to me.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
He came with his wife.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
He experienced this for four or five years. It affected
his game. It affected his game to the point he's
not even playing anymore. He could very well be playing right.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
So, yes, that's how it's you know, the thing about it.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
First of all, when we talk about mental health, and
because I people always said, Rishian, how do you juggle
so much? Because there's levels of stress, you know. And
I also know how to walk away, you know, like
I watch TV. You know, you know you asked me
on Netflix. I watch Netflix. You know, I watched Disney,
you know, I watch sports. So what I'm telling everybody
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is that what helps you is what walks you away
from the stress. And I remember when I bought the
house in Atlanta and I told my wife, I said,
I got to be near water. She said why, I said,
because I need to be able to walk out there
and just see something simple.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
And I remember we was. I'm just telling everybody and
Joe just listen to.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
How I deal with stress. And because they're they're they're
little tricks to it, and there are tricks that you
can do yourself. But what I try to do myself
is that I try to make sure that every day
looks different. In other words, we was in the high
rise doctor Brown, and I started noticing that the treetops
looked the same every day, and I told him, O
can't stay here.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
She said, well, I said, it looks the same. I said,
I gotta have.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Something that triggers my mind to be creative into another journey.
And so she said, oh okay, she's that's still prison.
Now it looks same every day. I can teach the trees,
I can tear these trees. I just don't count them, okay.
And so so what happened I think in a lot
of things, and I'm talking to a professional and I'm
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talking to you, is that how I deal with that
and being able to deal with stress, deal with the anxiety,
deal with depression.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
I tried to take myself in something normal. That's when
I say normal, go to the park, you know, go fishing,
do normal things.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
That are breaking the cycle create a different conversation. And
with people stress, they're stressing because they're not breaking the norm.
This is just Rushan McDonald's way of thinking about it.
I just want to know, have I been on the
right path all these years?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Can you help me? I dot.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Listen? Can you help me out.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
With your insightle of you to even bring that up,
because it's about taking a break from that has been
my complete message to people.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Gotta take breaks, and they have to take a lot
of them.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Similar to you, Rashan, I actually relocated to another part
of Houston because my primary goal was to have a
view of the city in Michigan. I wanted a view
of the city because that's what helps, you know, just
really bring me back to reality. When I'm hearing different stories,
traumatic story situations, people's anxieties, depression, it's easy for me
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to take that on.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
So I have to take a break.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
And having a view is very important and so that
you'll determine where I am. And that has been a
lifesaver for me. But you have to find something that's
allowing you to break away from routine, from stress.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Vacations are important.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
You got to schedule them like your schedule meetings, right,
even your daily breaks.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Any surprise for how many people don't even break during
the day, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Now, That's that's why it was important when I when
I scheduled this interview because of the fact that when
you're starting a business, stress, when you're starting a relationship, stress,
when you're having children, stress, when you're.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Doing a job, you know different.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
That's why I had to mention about especially in the
Houston market. We can go to different parts of the country.
You can do the stress that came in the state
of Georgia when President Trump and was down here saying
that the voting was illegal, that they were cheating. You
had the Republican stress, you had a Democrats stress, and
then you had the Black Lives Matter.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Movement running around. They were being called thugs, being called
a terrorist group. That level of stress.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Your profession, I would have to believe is understressed too, because.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
So many people are coming to you for so many
new answers.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Dr Brown, We're in a pandemic as well. Mental health
is in its own pandemic. The good thing about it, ever, Raseean,
is that people are coming to get help, and technology
has been a huge king in creating that access for
many people who formerly didn't have access, who didn't want
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to come to a place to get help.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
The screen the stigmat is a part of that.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
The stigmatizing experience from people where they're in the comfort
of their homes talking about something that's triggering.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
And they're able to communicate that through a screen has
been helpful.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Insurance companies have gotten on board to provide coverage for
telepsychiatry so that people can get help. EAPs are on
board to be able to allow therapy sessions for their
employees who have been at home over a year and
a half. So people are understanding this mental health movement now,
they understand how important mental health is and it is
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amazing to see that. But we're still in the pandemic
and we're going to be in this for quite some time. So,
you know, yesprectly everywhere.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
It's a part of our normalcy, our normal day life.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
But we have to understand that, hey, there is help
out there in order for you to help manage that
while you're dealing with it as well.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Well.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
You know, the help is first of all, have to
be acknowledged by you. You know, I you know, like
I said, I I've acknowledged the fact that I need
I need. I need to see things, movements and things
like that that relax that's my triggers. And that's that's
a popular word you hear, especially when you talk about
mental health. What are your triggers whether what are the
bad triggers and what are the good triggers.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
The good triggers for me is that I gotta be,
so I gotta see change all the time. I gotta be.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
And I'm not talking about I gotta hear loud music,
I gotta go to a party, I gotta drink. I
gotta be the life of that. I'm stepping out of
my own being to know I'm talking about. I go
down to my little lake. I sit down and I
watch the fish and it relaxes me. And if and
then and it takes me down a little bit where
I can't see any streets.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I can see part of my house. So I'm almost
in my little world.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
And so and it's kind of like that been that
way for me, you know, my whole life, though, doctor Broh,
I've unconsciously figured out positive triggers for me.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
You know, in New York, a lot of people I
can't stand those crowds.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I love the crowds, but then you come to my
place is spacious, you know, and so I'm not so
I don't care that crowded environment.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Of the streets into my home environment. Hey hey, I
got these walls too close. Okay. So it's really about
some of the decision.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
But the bigger thing that I'll take away in this
conversation and why you are so important, is that there's
so many people who have not found the positive triggers,
and that's why you are so important.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Talk to us about that.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Amen, Amen, I have an ADHD mind. I mean I
have ADHD and the MV with ADHD if you will,
And so like you, I love the noise, that action,
the stimuli because it allows me to be moving with it. Right,
I'm motivated by it and I'm driven, I'm productive.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
But then there are times when it's just too much
for me and it's overstimulating. So I have to travel.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
So my positive trigger is international travel. And the reason
I say international because it gets me out of my
comfort zone.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
I go alone.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I want to learn about different cultures that I don't
know anything about, meet new people. So it's a lot
of newness that allows me to be in a very calming,
right type of mood and zone.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Positive triggers are so important.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I'm glad you brought that up because oftentimes when we
talk about triggers, the automatic thought process about that is
it's negative. But no, are positive triggers, and we need
positive triggers to balance out our ability to manage stress.
We need positive triggers to understand when we to know
when it's time to take that break, when it's time
to take that vacation, right when it's time to go
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to bed at night. It's not you know, being up
at two o'clock in the morning because you always want
to have work to do.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I want to say, I want to say something to you,
doctor Brown, because I'm kind of a not a nod
that you but annoyed in this system.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
You know, like because you know, May is you know,
mental Health Awareness month.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Okay, it's not just one month, everybody, okay, And that
gives you a false sense that we're gonna recognize this
man and the problem goes away.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
It's every day, every.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Hour, how you deal with it, how you relate to it.
And I brought doctor Brown on the show you Know
to let you know that she's here for you. She's
here to to give you a sense of awareness, a
sense of a hope, an ear and when when, when
that ear is listening to you, she's going to give
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you answers and if you if you don't have the answers,
then she's willing to walk you through the steps to
get to that answer. You coming when you come to
a person like doctor Brown, her sinners, and what she's
trying to do is she's trying to let you know
that it's time to acknowledge there is something wrong.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
See that's the key, right.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Doctor Brown, That's the key. And you know, mental health
doesn't necessarily just mean I'm having thoughts, I'm hearing voices
or you know, these these the kind of the extreme
of it.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
It could be that I'm a he I'm tired, I'm
my gear right, nothing is you know, I'm having thoughts
that I'm not necessarily worthy. Like, mental health shows up
for different people at different levels of severity. And I
love people just you know, just like they get physical
evaluations and physical checks up, check ups, if you will
check ups.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
I would love if.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
People can go to a mental health professional and get
an annual mental health checkup. Wow, how better they would be,
How better this world would be. It just will be normalize.
We've got a normalized mental health because it's important. We
all experience mental health. Like just like you said at
the beginning of our conversation, we all have mental health
issues and wellnesses, and so it's important for us to
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take care of it, regard on what level it is.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
The thing about it when you talk about fatigue.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
I remember one day my wife, I'll get up and
I'll just drive myself at the airport. And one day
she said, I drive you. You know, I got to
get up Earth and we were we were driving, she
was driving me. She was looking at me in the passage.
She says, he said, Wow, when are you tired? When
do you When are you tired? I said, I'm tired
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right now. I said, but what I've learned, I've created
triggers to be able to mask that, okay. And I
said that's not a good thing too, to mask fatigue.
And so when you when you're doing things, mask is
a dangerous term in the mental and physical awareness because
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you can mask fatigue and it can lead to other issues.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
That's why you have to know your body in this case.
You have to know your mind.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
And I'm not saying I'm a specialist. I'm just bringing
you on the show. You are the specialist. And believe me,
you got to come back on my show. I could
be talking to you for another hour because you and I,
first of all, we're connecting.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
But I think you understand how I think.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
And I have a lot of natural awareness, and but
you have the technical awareness. Because I can't teach anybody
what I know it that I've designed for myself. But
you can't teach individuals and get them to walk the
path of lightness, you know, come out of the light.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
And because mental health is darkness. If you live in nothing,
you live in mental health. That light is not on
in that room. It's not on. And you can help them.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
So tell us a little bit about it in the website,
so we get that out there so we can just start.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
You know, you, you you my one, You Texas Texas,
tex Us. The heights, the height, the heights. Let's walk
us out of here.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Rashan.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
You know, that's why I really appreciate and respect your platform.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
I listen to you all the time, and I love
your openness with others.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I love your realness and you sharing your personal experiences
so people can connect with you. That's why we connect
so well. Because you're realist. You don't have to be
an expert to understand how this works. Your realness and
so I appreciate that about you. So thank you for
having me. You can find me at doctor Dawn's Psyche MD.
That's probably my main hub, Doctor Dawn psych MD. That's
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Speaker 2 (31:22):
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That's why creating money making conversations, Doctor Don Brown, thank
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Speaker 1 (00:40):
Welcome to Money Making Conversation. I'm your host with Sean McDonald.
It's time to stop reading the other people's success story.
You hear me tell everyone every week that's my opening mantra,
and I also tell you just start writing your own
stories because it's your story, nobody else can write it.
A lot of people see a dream, other people's opportunities,
to see other athletes, to see other acts, as they
see other entrepreneurs.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
That's the story.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
In order for you to be successful, you have to
write your own story and I always tell you to
leave what your gifts. Gifts can be your passion and
don't let your age, friends, family, or coworkers stop you
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My name is doctor Don Brown. Doctor Don Brown is
a double Board certified Child, adolescent, adult and sports psychiatrists.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
That's a lot. Let me say that one with that.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Doctor Brown is a double Board certified child, adolescent, adult,
and sports psychiatrists. The reason I bring up because my daughter,
she was a tennis projecy at sixteen, and I know
that we had to use a person that like this
services because when you get into sports, you question yourself a.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Lot, and then you can be an injury you can
come in and play.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So it's a lot of things that's physical and many
mental aspects of their athleticism and.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Also in everyday life that comes into play.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
She's also a pioneer of the mental health movement and
then nationally recognize two time number one best selling author, Forbes,
writer adhd Coach, mental health expert and public speaker. We're
going to discuss with doctor Brown why she chose psychiatry
as our specialty, how to prioritize your health, and the
stigma regarding mental health. That's a big one right there.
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Plus doctor Brown's secrets to being a successful serial entrepreneur.
You know this money Made conversation. You know I how
to bring that up. Please, welcome to Money Made Conversations.
She's living in Houston, straight out of Flint, Michigan, Doctor
Don Brown.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
How you doing, doctor Brown.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Mister Sean, thank you so much for having me. It's
a pleasure to be here. I'm doing great. Thank you
for asking.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Well, first of all, you look for t ask got
money green on? You got money green on?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Now there you tell you said it a little bit
earlier Flint, Michigan. We know what's going on up there now,
just not out the story about trying to get find
out what's going on with the drink water. But it
is a part of your past and part of your life,
because I'm sure you're a relative.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Still in up there now. You're in Houston, Texas, and we.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Just came off that freeze storm that basically shut down
the state of Texas, and saw how they were unprepared
and it's what we call the state they're supposed to
have they act together.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
That's the state of Texas.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
And we're still dealing with the consequences of that freeze
that really caused.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
The loss of a lot of lives, and that's important.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
So when you're dealing with that, that's all the reason
I bring these up is that those situations caused mental stress.
The Flint mission that you Michigan situation where people are
drinking water they have to worry if that water's going
to cause deformity and a childbirthing situation or cut short
their life where their children grow up, where they affect
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their brain or they grow or their growth patterns. That's
Flint Michigan. Then you deal with the freeze situation that
happened in Texas and people are still trying to recover
from the mental I guess I want to say effect
of trust when it happened again, would I be prepared
to happen with that?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Talk about the whole.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Mental makeup of people in general when stress comes into
their life.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
It's a very interesting question.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
You bring up and even to mention Hurricane Harvey in
there as well, right, and the comparisons. You know, trauma
can be a blessing and a curse. It's actually a
silver lining in trauma. And how I say that is
because it's obvious the curse, right, the traumatic experience that
people can experience with how traumatizing the situation, the condition
experience could be for someone, how that affects their mentality,
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how the affects their emotional health and even their physical health.
And then just like you're saying their trust factor, you
know what's going to happen next is that I'm going
to drop out again. I cannot be happy because I
know something bad is going to happen.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
But then it's the blessing. Many people have been.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Motivated by trauma, you know, the determination, the diligence, the drive,
the resilience of trum right, and so wanting to motivate
yourself out of a situation, find the tools and the
keys necessary to do so, and never stop giving up. So,
but then the baggage is still there, and if you
don't address it, you don't deal with it, it can
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actually affect your mental health particularly and leave.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
A lot of stars.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Well, let's talk about the mental health from a standpoint
of just day to day living. Let's talk about the
minority community and what we all know. The minority community
kind of shunes from showing weaknesses, and some people feel
that if you admit that you have a mental illness,
then you are weak, that you are showing at flaw,
a flaw that can help people measure you based on
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your credibility, your sustainability as far as what you can
do with your life. Now, let's backtrack a little bit
about the minority community in Houston text I'm just using
in the Houston texts as an example because I forgot
about Hurricane Harvey in twenty seventeen. Hurricane Harvey happened between
the devastated the city of Houston, who would affected.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
The most minorities.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Then you move forward into twenty twenty and COVID hit.
On top of COVID devastated the minority community. Okay, then
the George Floyd situation came out, rioting on social and
civil unrest. Still on top of that, you were dealing
with COVID nineteen. How do you deal with that? No vaccination?
(06:23):
Then we move into Texas, Then we did the Still
on top of that, no vaccination yet the big Texas
freeze hit. Who did it affect the most minorities? Okay,
now we're coming out. We have a vaccination set up
when we can get vaccinated, and minorities are one of
the slowest group that want to get vaccinated.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
So that's where the trust comes in.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
But there's also the stress because our jobs are saying
if you don't get vaccinated, you may not.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Have a job here anymore. Doctor Brown, The floor is
yours now.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Wait, So it's so much to unpack there, right, because
historically mental health, physical health, just medical in general, medical
health has not done people of color.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Due diligence, has not been justified.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Right, I mean, this is an actual industry that has
actually been targeted towards people of color having been there, mistreated,
not treated, not diagnosed properly.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I mean, I can go on and on and when
you talk about mental.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Health, all of those factors play a role, and it's
few of us. The lack of access, the lack of
education coming from people like me that look like people
who want to hear information, who want help but just
don't know who to trust, where to go to if
they have the financial need or the financial reasons of
being able to go. I mean, it's just so much right,
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and so what we try to do is we try
to just start at one step at a time. When
you have insult after insult that you're saying with Sean
from things outside of our control such as weather patterns
and you know, the traumatic effects of Harvey and Houston,
and then like you're saying the power outers, the water
outers here in Easton, and then you're talking about COVID
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nineteen and you're talking about people like look like me
that are you know, brutalized and murdered in the street
protest going on. I mean, it's insult after insult. So
what happens to our emotional health? Yes, it's traumatized and
it's scarred, and if we don't do something about that,
then it could be actually jeopardizing and very dangerous because
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those scars don't heal, they don't heal at all unless
you address them. You know, you can have a physical
wound and you can actually see how the womb hears,
how the skin, which is the largest organize system, can
actually do miraculous things.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
And just covering up.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
That scar, you may have something to remind you of
that scar, but it's not a wound that's open, it's cut,
that's not you know, vicious. But when you talking about
emotional health, it's something completely different. And a lot of
the scar actually can become generational. It can actually be
triggering and actually can come up in different situations where
you're not even thinking.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
About it subconsciously.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
So, yes, emotional health is just as equally as important
as physical health, and in our community people of color,
we definitely have to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Well, let's talk about that, because I really like that
analogy of the open scar, a wound that doesn't heal,
because let's talk about that for a mess, because that's
what happens. From the mental lives, we can't see it,
so it cannot be acknowledged as a problem to the
everyday viewer or the everyday.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Eye you came in.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
If I came into the house and my daughter came
into the house and her knee was scar, we go,
what's wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Let's fix that.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
We put some salve on it, some alcohol shill stream
I daddy, no, no, then put a bandage on it.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Then all of a sudden, we'll watch it.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Make sure it doesn't get infected, and then when it's
when there's when there's repaired fully, then we're comfortable again. Now,
from a mental aspect, we don't see that. So if
we did come in here and we saw a wound
on the side of your head, and that signified that
you were having mental stress, then we will know what
to do. And guess what we would do, doctor Brown,
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We will want to fix that problem. But when it's mental,
then all of a sudden, you know, a lot of terms,
he crazy, he don't have good sense, a lot of
terms that I've heard in my neighborhood where you know
that don't go to him, that's a crazy do it
on the corner, you know, walk past, walk fast past him.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Because it was always deemed that somebody who was not
who was.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Mentally stressed, was a person that you should stay away
from in the minority community.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Am I right or wrong?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
No, you're exactly one hundred percent right. I mean a
band aid is to cover up a wound, just like
a smile, just cut up depression.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
But again there's a historical analogy here. We were taught
not to show emotions, right, think about slavery. If you
showed a bigger emotion than you were actually beaten, bruised, victimized, shunned,
all of those things, right, And so we had to
be strong in order to survive that time period, in
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order to make it to another day, in order to
be okay. But again, historically we were taught to do that,
and that's become generational, part of the generational purse, if
you will that. Nowadays, we steal, many of us don't
show that emotion, right, And it's taught that if this
is a sign of weakness, just like as a slave,
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it's a.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Sign of weakness.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
You're not good enough, you're not built well enough, all
of these type of things. But I often tell my
people of color, hey, you don't.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Have to do that anymore. That was back then. This
is now. You have me to hear, to support you,
your family that loves you. Here are the other support systems.
And it's okay. It's okay not to have to smile
all the time. It's okay to cry.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
It's God's tears. You say, hey, I need an emotional
release because I'm human. And back then we weren't considered human,
were considered animals, we were considered victims, we were considered
all these things that we couldn't actually express ourselves, and
part of that mentality is still again a part of
today's society, especially.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
In people of color.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
But again even if we encourage people like me to
encourage our people yet instilled in different environments, atmosphere and
work with whatever social circles, that mentality still exists.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Right, we know, it's really interesting in just hearing you talk,
is that you know they you know, I hear the
words council, councel, culture, which I can't stand. I hear
worries about you know, why do we have to worry
about chance transgender? Why do you have to worry about
the issue. Why are all these people coming out of
the closet? Why why because they have been afraid. They've
(12:54):
been afraid to live a life. So now we're at
that mental health We are afraid, and we're trying to
erode or remove the barriers of fear. It's all right
to say you are depressed. It's all right to say
that you know that you don't feel good and that
you you're stressing, and that you this is you've you've
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reached your moment.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
You need time for yourself. It's all right. To take
vacation away from your world.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
And so I say that because when I talk, when
I'm talking to you, doctor Brown, I take this stuff
very personal because of the fact that people can criticize,
and criticis people don't know the power of criticism really
can stop a lot of people from seeking help.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
And am I am I correct when I'm saying that,
yes you are.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
It is because not only do you have to consider
the criticism that comes externally, but how internally as well.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Right, we don't help criticize ourselves, you know, and that's important.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So so because I I you know, like I said,
we have a lot to talk about it, but I
want to just talk about that little portion. But I
want to talk about the mental health athletics athletics centers
that you have and then the services that they offer.
And why was it important to you know, rap put
the word athletic and health together and maybe they understand
it all has always been one.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
You know, I don't care if you Venus Williams or
if you Tom Brady. There is a psychology, there is
a mental ability. There has been known that the.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Reason Serena Williams has not won the Graham Slave Record
because she stresses out too much in the finals, And
you said, Henix Serena Williams, Yes, Yes, stress and mental
breakdowns have cost her from achieving her dream of winning
all the last few Grand Slams that she's been in.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
And so even at that high level, how do you.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Come in with these clinics that you created and combine
health and athletics. We'll be right back with more from
Rajohn McDonald and The Making Conversations don't.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Touch that though.
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Speaker 4 (15:23):
That reason right there, you mentioned the mission.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
You know, I want athletes to understand that they're a
human just who happen to have at THEIC abilities.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
So we're recognizing them as human first, and a.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Lot of times when they were younger, you know, they
were identified as athletes.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
So many of them don't even understand who they are.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
You know, they're trying to find their identity through it all,
through their journey, and oftentimes that comes too late during
retirement and that's where we see a lot of mint
health conditions as well that may come up. But when
you talk about an active athlete who is injured, who
actually is trying the top last year's number, who is
going for the three p I mean all of these
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pressures mental conditioning cannot deal with.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I mean they have mental health issues just like us.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Actually, as a matter of fact, more of them have
mental health issues than the general population. So I thought
it was critical so they can understand that, Hey, I
see you, you're a human first, As a recognized psychiatrist,
I'm here to assist you. All of you may not
need medicine. All of you may just need a listening ear.
How about just wanting to hear what you want in life? Right,
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wanting to understand what happened to last night's game that.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
An interview didn't address.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
They're already criticizing you before you were able to even
you know, process what's happened. So you know, it could
be as little as that or as big as an
issue is having a family history of trauma that got
them out the neighborhood to go pro That was a
part of their journey, right, So I wanted something that
it can be all inclusive, that athletes can take advantage
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of and working with someone.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Like me, and that is trust. You know that they
can trust let measine it.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
So you were there for them.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
So why did you I hear what you know just
the journey we were talking about now, but early when
we came out of high school we started going into college.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
What led you to this field? What led you to
this range of study?
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Why it came to me? Rashaan.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I actually recently had graduated from my child Fellowship program
at Baylor, and I was in private practice for about
two two and a half years and a Houston Rocket
player came to see me in my private practice and
he and his wife came and he was experiencing anxiety.
He didn't know what the terminology was at the time,
(17:40):
but he actually said, I'm just I'm short of air
like I'm short of bread. I can't breathe, and these
are the conditions that lead to me not being able
to breathe. And so he was describing some of these
instances and we actually came up with the terminology that
identified him having panic attacks underneath the umbrella.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Of having an anxiety disorder. And so that's how it started.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
And you know the.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Schools are so small, right, I mean, nowadays do you
have different professional associations that are gun hole for mental
health mental awareness? And I'm loving this initiatives that are
now out. But back then, even just six years ago,
it was difficult for him to come to me.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
He came with his wife.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
He experienced this for four or five years. It affected
his game. It affected his game to the point he's
not even playing anymore. He could very well be playing right.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
So, yes, that's how it's you know, the thing about it.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
First of all, when we talk about mental health, and
because I people always said, Rishian, how do you juggle
so much? Because there's levels of stress, you know. And
I also know how to walk away, you know, like
I watch TV. You know, you know you asked me
on Netflix. I watch Netflix. You know, I watched Disney,
you know, I watch sports. So what I'm telling everybody
(18:59):
is that what helps you is what walks you away
from the stress. And I remember when I bought the
house in Atlanta and I told my wife, I said,
I got to be near water. She said why, I said,
because I need to be able to walk out there
and just see something simple.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
And I remember we was. I'm just telling everybody and
Joe just listen to.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
How I deal with stress. And because they're they're they're
little tricks to it, and there are tricks that you
can do yourself. But what I try to do myself
is that I try to make sure that every day
looks different. In other words, we was in the high
rise doctor Brown, and I started noticing that the treetops
looked the same every day, and I told him, O
can't stay here.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
She said, well, I said, it looks the same. I said,
I gotta have.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Something that triggers my mind to be creative into another journey.
And so she said, oh okay, she's that's still prison.
Now it looks same every day. I can teach the trees,
I can tear these trees. I just don't count them, okay.
And so so what happened I think in a lot
of things, and I'm talking to a professional and I'm
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talking to you, is that how I deal with that
and being able to deal with stress, deal with the anxiety,
deal with depression.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
I tried to take myself in something normal. That's when
I say normal, go to the park, you know, go fishing,
do normal things.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
That are breaking the cycle create a different conversation. And
with people stress, they're stressing because they're not breaking the norm.
This is just Rushan McDonald's way of thinking about it.
I just want to know, have I been on the
right path all these years?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Can you help me? I dot.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Listen? Can you help me out.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
With your insightle of you to even bring that up,
because it's about taking a break from that has been
my complete message to people.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Gotta take breaks, and they have to take a lot
of them.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Similar to you, Rashan, I actually relocated to another part
of Houston because my primary goal was to have a
view of the city in Michigan. I wanted a view
of the city because that's what helps, you know, just
really bring me back to reality. When I'm hearing different stories,
traumatic story situations, people's anxieties, depression, it's easy for me
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to take that on.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
So I have to take a break.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
And having a view is very important and so that
you'll determine where I am. And that has been a
lifesaver for me. But you have to find something that's
allowing you to break away from routine, from stress.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Vacations are important.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
You got to schedule them like your schedule meetings, right,
even your daily breaks.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Any surprise for how many people don't even break during
the day, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Now, That's that's why it was important when I when
I scheduled this interview because of the fact that when
you're starting a business, stress, when you're starting a relationship, stress,
when you're having children, stress, when you're.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Doing a job, you know different.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
That's why I had to mention about especially in the
Houston market. We can go to different parts of the country.
You can do the stress that came in the state
of Georgia when President Trump and was down here saying
that the voting was illegal, that they were cheating. You
had the Republican stress, you had a Democrats stress, and
then you had the Black Lives Matter.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Movement running around. They were being called thugs, being called
a terrorist group. That level of stress.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Your profession, I would have to believe is understressed too, because.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
So many people are coming to you for so many
new answers.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Dr Brown, We're in a pandemic as well. Mental health
is in its own pandemic. The good thing about it, ever, Raseean,
is that people are coming to get help, and technology
has been a huge king in creating that access for
many people who formerly didn't have access, who didn't want
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to come to a place to get help.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
The screen the stigmat is a part of that.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
The stigmatizing experience from people where they're in the comfort
of their homes talking about something that's triggering.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
And they're able to communicate that through a screen has
been helpful.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Insurance companies have gotten on board to provide coverage for
telepsychiatry so that people can get help. EAPs are on
board to be able to allow therapy sessions for their
employees who have been at home over a year and
a half. So people are understanding this mental health movement now,
they understand how important mental health is and it is
(23:33):
amazing to see that. But we're still in the pandemic
and we're going to be in this for quite some time. So,
you know, yesprectly everywhere.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
It's a part of our normalcy, our normal day life.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
But we have to understand that, hey, there is help
out there in order for you to help manage that
while you're dealing with it as well.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Well.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
You know, the help is first of all, have to
be acknowledged by you. You know, I you know, like
I said, I I've acknowledged the fact that I need
I need. I need to see things, movements and things
like that that relax that's my triggers. And that's that's
a popular word you hear, especially when you talk about
mental health. What are your triggers whether what are the
bad triggers and what are the good triggers.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
The good triggers for me is that I gotta be,
so I gotta see change all the time. I gotta be.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
And I'm not talking about I gotta hear loud music,
I gotta go to a party, I gotta drink. I
gotta be the life of that. I'm stepping out of
my own being to know I'm talking about. I go
down to my little lake. I sit down and I
watch the fish and it relaxes me. And if and
then and it takes me down a little bit where
I can't see any streets.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I can see part of my house. So I'm almost
in my little world.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
And so and it's kind of like that been that
way for me, you know, my whole life, though, doctor Broh,
I've unconsciously figured out positive triggers for me.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
You know, in New York, a lot of people I
can't stand those crowds.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I love the crowds, but then you come to my
place is spacious, you know, and so I'm not so
I don't care that crowded environment.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Of the streets into my home environment. Hey hey, I
got these walls too close. Okay. So it's really about
some of the decision.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
But the bigger thing that I'll take away in this
conversation and why you are so important, is that there's
so many people who have not found the positive triggers,
and that's why you are so important.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Talk to us about that.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Amen, Amen, I have an ADHD mind. I mean I
have ADHD and the MV with ADHD if you will,
And so like you, I love the noise, that action,
the stimuli because it allows me to be moving with it. Right,
I'm motivated by it and I'm driven, I'm productive.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
But then there are times when it's just too much
for me and it's overstimulating. So I have to travel.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
So my positive trigger is international travel. And the reason
I say international because it gets me out of my
comfort zone.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
I go alone.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I want to learn about different cultures that I don't
know anything about, meet new people. So it's a lot
of newness that allows me to be in a very calming,
right type of mood and zone.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Positive triggers are so important.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I'm glad you brought that up because oftentimes when we
talk about triggers, the automatic thought process about that is
it's negative. But no, are positive triggers, and we need
positive triggers to balance out our ability to manage stress.
We need positive triggers to understand when we to know
when it's time to take that break, when it's time
to take that vacation, right when it's time to go
(26:35):
to bed at night. It's not you know, being up
at two o'clock in the morning because you always want
to have work to do.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I want to say, I want to say something to you,
doctor Brown, because I'm kind of a not a nod
that you but annoyed in this system.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
You know, like because you know, May is you know,
mental Health Awareness month.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Okay, it's not just one month, everybody, okay, And that
gives you a false sense that we're gonna recognize this
man and the problem goes away.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
It's every day, every.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Hour, how you deal with it, how you relate to it.
And I brought doctor Brown on the show you Know
to let you know that she's here for you. She's
here to to give you a sense of awareness, a
sense of a hope, an ear and when when, when
that ear is listening to you, she's going to give
(27:26):
you answers and if you if you don't have the answers,
then she's willing to walk you through the steps to
get to that answer. You coming when you come to
a person like doctor Brown, her sinners, and what she's
trying to do is she's trying to let you know
that it's time to acknowledge there is something wrong.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
See that's the key, right.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Doctor Brown, That's the key. And you know, mental health
doesn't necessarily just mean I'm having thoughts, I'm hearing voices
or you know, these these the kind of the extreme
of it.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
It could be that I'm a he I'm tired, I'm
my gear right, nothing is you know, I'm having thoughts
that I'm not necessarily worthy. Like, mental health shows up
for different people at different levels of severity. And I
love people just you know, just like they get physical
evaluations and physical checks up, check ups, if you will
check ups.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
I would love if.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
People can go to a mental health professional and get
an annual mental health checkup. Wow, how better they would be,
How better this world would be. It just will be normalize.
We've got a normalized mental health because it's important. We
all experience mental health. Like just like you said at
the beginning of our conversation, we all have mental health
issues and wellnesses, and so it's important for us to
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take care of it, regard on what level it is.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
The thing about it when you talk about fatigue.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
I remember one day my wife, I'll get up and
I'll just drive myself at the airport. And one day
she said, I drive you. You know, I got to
get up Earth and we were we were driving, she
was driving me. She was looking at me in the passage.
She says, he said, Wow, when are you tired? When
do you When are you tired? I said, I'm tired
(29:07):
right now. I said, but what I've learned, I've created
triggers to be able to mask that, okay. And I
said that's not a good thing too, to mask fatigue.
And so when you when you're doing things, mask is
a dangerous term in the mental and physical awareness because
(29:29):
you can mask fatigue and it can lead to other issues.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
That's why you have to know your body in this case.
You have to know your mind.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
And I'm not saying I'm a specialist. I'm just bringing
you on the show. You are the specialist. And believe me,
you got to come back on my show. I could
be talking to you for another hour because you and I,
first of all, we're connecting.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
But I think you understand how I think.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
And I have a lot of natural awareness, and but
you have the technical awareness. Because I can't teach anybody
what I know it that I've designed for myself. But
you can't teach individuals and get them to walk the
path of lightness, you know, come out of the light.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
And because mental health is darkness. If you live in nothing,
you live in mental health. That light is not on
in that room. It's not on. And you can help them.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
So tell us a little bit about it in the website,
so we get that out there so we can just start.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
You know, you, you you my one, You Texas Texas,
tex Us. The heights, the height, the heights. Let's walk
us out of here.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Rashan.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
You know, that's why I really appreciate and respect your platform.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
I listen to you all the time, and I love
your openness with others.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I love your realness and you sharing your personal experiences
so people can connect with you. That's why we connect
so well. Because you're realist. You don't have to be
an expert to understand how this works. Your realness and
so I appreciate that about you. So thank you for
having me. You can find me at doctor Dawn's Psyche MD.
That's probably my main hub, Doctor Dawn psych MD. That's
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Speaker 1 (31:16):
Well, you're in service to everybody who's listening and watching
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Speaker 2 (31:22):
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Speaker 1 (31:24):
That's why creating money making conversations, Doctor Don Brown, thank
you for coming on. And you know when I come
to Houston, you know we got to go somewhere and
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Speaker 2 (31:32):
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Speaker 1 (31:33):
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