Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Holly Cotton. She is a wellness expert, registered nurse, best-selling author, media personality, life coach, goal guru, and podcast host based in Houston, Texas. Holly earned her Master’s Degree in Nursing. She has used her medical knowledge to elevate her nursing career and become a renowned health and wellness authority.
As an entrepreneur branding yourself, its important to present yourself to align with your branding. I have authored ten books host a podcast and a mental health advocate. When people look at my brand, I want them to see that you can go from being a cancer patient to a life survivor. You can survive anything life throws at you and become the strongest version of yourself inside and out. That pain will push you to your purpose so that you can be sexy and a mom. You can be a professional and still follow your entrepreneurial goals. I want to inspire and motivate women to live their dreams and stop settling for just living. I want to stay authentic to my mission of changing the world by empowering others to be their best self and highlighting their triumphs.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If you're about to make a change in your life
and you feel uncomfortable, that's the best feeling you can
have because for the first time in your life, you're
making a decision that's going to be best for you
and not what somebody told you to do. And that's
when all bets are off. Welcome to Money Making Conversation Masterclass.
I'm your host, Rashan McDonald. Our theme is there's no
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we all have different definitions of success. For you and
maybe decide to your hl it's time to stop reading
other people's success stories to start living your own. Keep
winning well well well, Rashan McDonald. Keep winning. What does
that mean? It means that when you think there's not
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an opportunity for you to be successful, keep winning, keep
pushing forward. I have an interesting fact to tell people today.
I will tell people never allow age to be an excuse.
In twenty twenty four, more than four million people will
reach the age of sixty five years of age in
twenty twenty four. Now, when the Social Security was established
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way back in nineteen thirty five, the average age expectancy
was sixty three, So in a way. The social security
system is broke because people are out living or in
nineteen thirty five, they thought they will live beyond sixty
three years of age. Four million people reached the age
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of sixty five and twenty twenty four. And I'm one
of them and happy about it. And I will never
allow an age or my age to stop me from
planning my next business opportunity, planning my next vacation, playing
my next house is available for me to buy out there,
planning my next car, if is available for me to
buy out there, playing my next opportunity, to dream beyond
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ten years, twenty years, thirty years, forty years. I'm dreaming
like that because I will not allow age to be
an excuse. I will not allow my age anybody around me,
even if you're twenty, don't let nobody tell you what
you can't do when you're twenty thirty. Don't let nobody
tell you what you can't do because you're thirty, forty fifty.
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I'm just telling everybody, we've allowed the system to tell
us what we're supposed to be doing at a certain age.
Throw it out the window. Throw it out the window.
It don't work. In twenty twenty four. Moving forward, We've
got social media out there. Social media out there, we
can promote ourselves and everything. My guest is on the phone.
Let me get this show rolling. This is Money Making
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Conversations Master Class. I'm your weekly host, ra Sean McDonald.
The interviews and information that this show provides offer everyone.
I said every week it's time to start reading other
people's success stories and start living your own. My guest
is a wellness expert, registered nurse, best selling author, breast
cancer survivor, life coach with a master's degree in nursing.
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Please welcome the Money Making Conversation Master Class. Holly Cotton.
How you doing? My friend? Hey?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Hi?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Who?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
That intro made me sound fancy? Thank you?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Well, you know, all I can do is tell the truth,
and that's the key. You know, I'm not making any
of these things up. What exactly when we get started,
Miss Cotton? What exactly where are you based at?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
By the way, I am in Houston, Texas?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Oh? Is that where you were born or did you
just transplant into the Texas market?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
No, I transplanted. I'm actually born and raised in home
of Louisiana, graduated from high school, went to LSU, lived
in DC for a few years and then came to
Houston and I've been here ever since.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Was it great?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Houston? Houston was well, I was born and raised, So
you're never here a negative thing about Houston from Rachelle McDonald.
I think it's the best restaurants in the world are
in Houston, Texas. That's me. I'm a big foodie, so
I tell everybody wherever I go, Houston is the place
to eat. Now let's get back to you, miss Cotton.
Master's degree in nursing.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Why Honestly, I needed some money and I knew a
trade was the best way to go about that. So
I always knew that nurturing and doing that whole thing
was kind of where I wanted to go. So I
tried all the different paths, all the you know, every
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time you major in something in college, you're like, ooh
I want to do sociology. Oh I want to do this,
Oh I want to do that. And so so I
got caught up in college and had a baby, and
I was like, Okay, I need to get a trade
really quick. So I actually started with my associate degree
in nursing, and then of course went back and got
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my You know, my masters or whatever, so that I
could do obviously more things in the nursing. But yep,
that's how I ended up. Nursing found me. So here
I am still well.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Because you know, I always ask people, you know, my
degrees in mathematics, and mathematics basically fouled me because I
went to college for seven years dancing around trying to
find some instructors, some instructor that users used to was
just gonna give me some easy grades. I never found
that instructor, by the way, God never found that instructor.
But I was looking for. I was looking for. I
was looking for four and a half years. Then somebody said, boy,
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stop looking at and open that book and start studying.
And I graduated two and a half years later in mathematics.
And when you get these degrees, you know, uh, it
was financial expectation tied to that when you got your
master's degree in nursing.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yes, so honestly, when I was in nursing school, because
I went the long way, so I did associate nursing,
then I did my bachelor's and then I went back
and got my masters. So when I was doing my bachelor's,
I had the worst professor ever, and I was like,
you know what, I want to get my masters so
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that I can teach because I wanted to give back
in some way. So I've always wanted to give back.
So I feel that nursing was a way for me
to sort of be that different but also have a
very lucrative career as well. So that's why I went
to my master's and then I started doing all these
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other things. So I never wanted to go back and
get my doctrine in nursing. I was like, Okay, I
you know, I've done nursing for my twenty years now,
and that's just something that I did. It's not who
I am. So that's why I stopped. But I still
teach because that's my way of giving back, you know,
or whatever. So but yeah, I mean nursing is very
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I mean, you can make lots of money, and you know,
I have the same degree as nurse practitioners. I just
didn't want to go into that because I don't want
the liability that comes with being a nurse practitioner. And
I knew that nursing wasn't always where I was going
to be. I didn't know what else I wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
But I just knew that wouldn't have final step in your.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Life right exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Let me ask you this, Ms Cotton. I'm talking to
Holly Cotton. She's a best selling author of Media Personality,
Life Coach, Go Guru podcast Hope. Just see these additional credits.
I didn't read at the top, you know, because you
got a lot going on. I'm gonna just tell you
that right.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Now, I do.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Let me ask you this, the stereotypes they come with nursing.
Because you have a master's degree, because I you know,
you know, I have a sister law she's a nurse,
very talented nurse in the Houston, Texas market. What stereotypes
do you feel that people need to just this is
nurses are way more than this or stop thinking this
all nurses do. Can you help us out right now,
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educate us?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yes, for sure, for sure. So nursing. Actually you don't
ever have to even touch someone in nursing, and when
people see nursing they automatically assume hospital or retirement home
or something like that, you know, home health nurse. And honestly,
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probably in the last I don't know, twelve thirteen years,
maybe more than that, I haven't touched anyone in forever,
other than I had to do CPR on some people
a few times because they were they had coded, But
other than that, you know. So I think that's the
biggest stereotype people have with nursing. And it's great for
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new nurses because I do think that new nurses need
to go off and work in the hospital or somewhere
where they can get hands on care because it is
critical thinking. But you know, I mean, I've been in
management again, I teach, you know, I'm a college professor,
so you know, there's so many other routes. I know,
I have a friend that's the nurse, and she's actually
in pharmaceutical sales. You know, she's never ever practiced as
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a nurse, like ever ever, she's never done bedside. So
I think that's the biggest stigma a lot of people have,
is that they automatically assume they were going to have
to go and do shots and I don't like blood
or I don't like this, And you know, that's that's
so small of a genre of nursing that there is,
Like there's so many other things that you can do.
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You know, I work for a healthcare company. I worked
as a director of nursing and management all of these
other roles. So that's the biggest thing I would say.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
You know, now, just get into your lifestyle. You know,
because your lifestyle, you know, you're very energetic. You can
tell by your voice that you you know you when
you have something to say, you're going to say it,
say it with energy. Now you embrace a holistic lifestyle. Now,
there are a lot of catchphrases out there, and the
worst holistic. It seems to be one of those catchphrases
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that is very popular, especially on social media. Now, what
exactly is holistic? And when you tie the word lifestyle too,
what exactly is a holistic lifestyle?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
So a holistic lifestyle is basically when you're talking about body, mind,
spirit all in sync. So whatever it is that you believe, whatever,
whatever it is that you use to keep your mind
at peace, you're talking about, you know, spirituality. Some people
do meditation, some people believe in Jesus, some people. You know,
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whatever it is that you practice, it keeps you grounded.
And then you have to talk about your mental health.
You have to think about your physical health, you know.
And I also say, for me, holistic also includes financial
health because even though we're talking about spirituality, I can
link spirituality into mental but I believe that the actual
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triage to have a holistic healthy lifestyle is that your
your finances, your mental health, and your physical health are
all in sync. Because if your money ain't right, now
you can't afford to go to the gym, or now
you know, you can't afford to to do pay your bills,
so now your mental health is off. Now you may
not have somewhere to stay. Now you can't now you know,
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now your mental health is off because you're stressed out
about bills, so you you don't feel like going to
the gym. Now you you know, now you're introverted, you
don't want to go out, and you can't afford to
go anywhere. And then of course physical health comes into
that because now you can't, you might be unhealthy. Now
you're overweight, you aren't working out. So I feel like
if that's that's the triangle for me for holistic But
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you know, really, instead of financial, most people say it's spirituality,
but I say it's financial because if money ain't right,
everything is all.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I want to agree with you that because I'm telling
you so I can pray about money, but I need
money and make me feel good about that prayer. Okay,
I'm just gonna let you know.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
You can pray about.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
It, but that money shows but doing it right. And
I'm not saying it in a joking manner because I
think that everybody has faith, and if you have a faith,
you should hold oad to that. Now it's people.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I always say, whatever it is that you believe in,
believe and go hard. But I'll tell you this, God's
not giving giving you an eye idea, or he's not
giving you strength for you not to do the work
and come up with the plans, so he's gonna motivate me,
or I'm gonna get that spirituality going. But unless I'm
the one that's executing it and getting my money right,
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then I'm gonna still be in the same.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Pid, like do we have voice with him money?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Right?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
We're talking to Holly Cotton, Holly Cotton, high Cotton, I
would call you High Cotton. Holly Cotton. She is a
master's degree in nursing, best selling author breast cancer Survivor.
We won't talk about that in the next break because
I want to talk about the physicality. But before we
go to break, you mentioned something in the whole triage
of a holistic lifestyle was mental health. And you know,
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in the black community, just being am announcing that you're
stressing has been a no note, what do you think
has been a shift? And social media helped the black
community open up more about the issues and concerns or
seeking help in regards to therapy and acknowledging that stress
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does play a world in a black person's life. Can
you expound on that, Yes.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
For sure, I definitely think social media is that and
also I think that the resources are there. When you're
thinking about ten, fifteen, twenty years ago, everything was the
mentality of suck it up, move it on. You know,
even me, when I think about growing up, my mom
was like, all right, you have a bad day, Okay,
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so what you're gonna do? Sit around cry about it? Like,
mental health was not something that we talked about. So
social media is definitely an influence on it because younger
people are being able to identify, hey, I'm having some
of these these thoughts, or hey I'm having some of
these behaviors. I see now that these are warning signs
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for anxiety or you know, put paranoia or depression or whatever.
So they're able to identify it sooner because of the resources.
So for me, social media, I feel is basically like
one of those airplanes in the sky that where they're
writing the words in the sky or the banner behind it.
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That's what social media does. It's like, hey, let's highlight this. Hey,
come see this, come over here, this is something that's
going on. And so I think that the way that
people are having access to it is what it is
that's destigmatizing because it's also making these communities where people
are like, oh I feel that way too, Oh I
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think I'm doing this, and then they have these little
sects that they form where they can come together and
it's a safe place. So that's more of what I think,
rather than social media being the main of you know, like, oh,
this is it. This is the biggest thing ever that
you know, social media is doing all of this. I
think it's just the fact that it's the exposure and
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then having the resources that we didn't have before.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
We're talking to Holly Cotton would be right back with
more money, ma a conversation and talk about her. She's
the best selling authore so I know she has some books.
We want to talk about on the other side of
the break. But more importantly, I'm a breast cancer I'm
not excuse me. I am a cancer styroid cancer survivor.
She is a breast cancer survivor, and I know what
my experience is. I always like to share it on
the air because I had a trigger point in my
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life when I realized the doctor shared the word cancer
and how I reacted to it and I couldn't stop
my life. And we're going to hear how she reacted
to it when she was told that she had cancer.
Right back, this show was still upbeat. We're still flying high.
Don't go nowhere. You listen to money Making Conversations Masterclass
hosted by Rashad McDonald and I am interviewing Holly Cotton.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
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Speaker 1 (16:14):
Holly Cotton, she is a weldness expert registered nurser. You
know she has a master's degree in nursing. Nursing she's
based now and she's Louisiana girl who's now based in Houston, Texas.
When you talk about survival, and in twenty fifteen, I
a doctor told me I had cancer. And then he
said the word treatable, right Rick, But I didn't hear
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the word treatable. All I heard was cancer and there
were five or cancer. Then he told me I had
and it was the most shocking and most jarring word
I had ever heard in my life. You know, you
read about it, you see it on TV, you heard
about fundraiser. But when that doctor told me that, I
will literally tell anybody, literally retail anybody my life. Did
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Flo asked before my eyes? I talk about my I
talked about my talk about my family. I talked about
where I was at my life. I talked about but
I will tell you in the end when I when
it stopped flashing, I felt good about my life, where
I was at in my life. And I think it's
really important people hear that because you never know when
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you get a statement. You never know we're going in
that car accident. You never know when that moment might come.
You just want to make sure when when you hear
the words or you're getting near the end, make sure
your life you feel good about it. Make sure you're
doing the things you want to do in your life
currently and meeting their dreams and expectations that you want now,
what other people want, what you want, and getting an
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out of life now. In your bio pits, Cotton is
uh brought to my attention that to your breast cancer survivor,
can you tell us about that when you was, when
you was exposed to the information and how you dealt
with it?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
For sure? And I've told this story so many times
the same as you say, as you boat is called
Strong more than Muscles, which is my autobiography about my
story about having breast cancer. So it was kind of
I've been a nurse, so for me. Twenty twelve October twelfth,
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twenty twelve celebrated every year as my cancer versary. And
that was the day that I found out. A week
and a half before that, I felt to lump when
I was getting out of the shower, and I immediately
knew it was cancer. I just I could tell. I mean,
I had been a nurse for you know, hover long.
I could tell the way that it felt I'm the
location of it, and I was just like, oh my god,
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now I got cancer. What am I going to You know,
I got stuff to do. So that was my thought
process and so but it was the same thing. I
still wanted them to tell me that it wasn't cancer,
even though I knew that or it was. But I
got the call and my doctor was like, you have cancer.
You know it is. It is cancer. You need to
go see the doctor. So like the next I was
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already in the oncologist. We were already talking about surgery
and all of that. And so for me, I always
make the comparison that I was the physically. I was
physically strongest out of in my entire life. At that moment.
I could do pull ups. I was like doing twenty
pull ups, which you know for a girl, that's good.
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I was the push up queen. Like I was doing Insanity,
remember when Insanity without and all of the DVDs. So
I was doing all of that. So for me, I
was the healthiest and the strongest version up until then
that I had ever been. So for me to get
cancer was I was completely blindsided. I didn't even smoke.
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I mean I didn't even drink. I've never smoked, So
I'm like, why did this happen to me? When I
have all these unhealthy family members and friends? Like why
is this me? And so, you know, at that point,
I was in survival mode and I didn't have time
to go back and forth. You know, I had two
young kids. I need to figure out what to do.
But after I went through all of my surgeries and
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my treatments and everything, I started I was angry, and
I was very upset, and I said, why is this happening?
Why did this happen to me? Why am I going
through this? And I was angry for a little while
because I had lived a great, healthy lifestyle and now
I couldn't even put my hair in a ponytail, because
I couldn't even extend my arms, I couldn't bend over
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to shave my legs, and I was very resentful. But
then I had the shift where I said why me?
Instead of the angry why mean, I was like, why
am I still here? And I started becoming a breast
cancer advocate. My doctor gave my phone number to other patients,
and I was talking to people. They would call me
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when they just got diagnosed and you know, I would
tell them about my stories what to expect, because I
didn't have that, you know, there was no one telling
me what was going to happen and what to expect.
So I told him about the test, I told them
about treatment, I told them about this, I told them
about that, you know. And so I realized that my
why was I was still here to be that person
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for whoever needed it. And that's why I wrote my
first book, because I wanted to share my story. And
I mean, my book is still sold all across the world,
I mean not to Like two or three months ago,
someone from Romania, you know, messaged me that they gave
their mom my book. She said she couldn't put it down.
She read it in the day. She just got diagnosed
with cancer. So that meant a lot to me that
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my book is still you know, circulating, and it's still
that way, but that's my story about the same thing.
I was like, this isn't fair, this isn't right, and
I was upset. But now I feel that my why
because I would have never gone off into this other
path that I'm on right now. I would have still
been a nurse, still just going to work, still doing
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whatever but when I wrote that first book, it opened
a whole nother path in twenty nineteen, but I have
a question.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I want to follow up with it because or reading
through your value or says that pain will push you,
that pain will push you to your purpose, that you
can be sexy in a mom that you can be
a professional and still follow your entrepreneurial goals. I want
to inspire and motivate women to live their dreams and
stop settling for just living. I want to stay authentic
to my mission of changing the world by empowering others
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to be their best self and highlighting their triumphs. Do
you feel because of your survival that's your purpose now?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Oh? For sure? For sure, I feel that when I
walk in the room, I want my brand of Hollycotton
to be all of that. Someone told me to write
down what it is that I want people to see
when they look at me, or when people look at
my social media or after people have a conversation with me,
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and that row down And I hear people that say
that to me all time, and I'm like, yes, I
am where I'm supposed to be, doing what I'm supposed
to be doing. Because there is a woman that's watching
me right now, that's going through something. It doesn't even
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have to be cancer. But we gonna rock the bikini.
We're gonna show them that we bosses. I'm a mom,
I'm gonna pick up and go on a vacation. I'm
gonna do whatever. I'm gonna eat me a cheesecake. I
just live my life every day that I don't need
a vacation from. And that's what I want to show people.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Awesome. Now you have some books. I want to definitely
get those out. You have a series of books that
you just released. You want to talk about those?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yes, I would love to. So I happen to on
your magic. And so I wanted to give back because
you know, just like you said Rashaan, you go through
you start doing these other things no matter where you are,
but you still gotta have a sense of purpose on
why you're doing it. Right, So for me, I was like, oh,
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this money shots, this feels good, Okay okay, And then
last year I was like, God, I just feel like
I lost my sense of purpose because all I'm doing
is this other part. So I wanted to come back
to give back. So my initiative this year is adolescent
mental health because I wanted to go back and give
those kids because I wasn't always there for my kids.
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I know a lot of parents are in provider mode,
and we weren't giving kids that offer up with the Freeze,
Your Mind, Your Magic, and there's four books in it,
and basically it's the scenario on one side, and then
it's affirmations on the other side of what it's like
to grow up. So it's anywhere from late elementary till
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high school, and it's different things, different topics, and then
it's affirmations and it's teaching kids how to speak life
into themselves, how to build mental toughness. And also I
wanted to create a way to have dialogue opening between
a parent and a child. So you can come in
the room and give this to your kid, or your
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kid can be reading it and they can say something
to you, or you can ask them, Hey, are you
feeling that way? Do you have body dysmorphia? Are you
feeling like you're in a toxic relationship? Are you getting
pressured for sex or are you feeling this way? Are
you worried about having responsibilities now? Is it? How do
you feel about being independent? So it's four series. I
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mean it's four books in the series, one for girls
and boys, one specifically for young men, so it's topics
that young men face, and then one for special needing
kids because the wording is a little different so that
they can retain the information. And then I'll also have
one for chronic illness kids diabetic cancer or whatever, so
kids at Saint Jude or any type of sickness or whatever,
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they can also have that to where it talks about
disabilities and you know, live in what chronic illnesses and stuff.
So there's four books, and also have them all written
in espaniol so to reach a broader audience as well,
so they actually come in Spanish too.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Wow, you have a lot to say, and I'm proud
you came on my show to say some of it,
because you ain't saying all. I'll just let you know that,
Holly Cotton. You know you are high Cotton. Okay, eh,
c for sure. But you know I always enjoy interviews
here that have a base of honesty tied to it,
and your story has a base of honesty. And then
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you've taken that storyline, that sadness and converted it into
a purpose and that purpose is really important, and that's
all I wanted people to hear. The big takeaway from
this show is that you can get hitting the gut,
get hit upside the head with a baseball bat, get
pushed down in the mud, but just don't stay down.
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Just don't let people whoever push you in the back.
You ain't got to retaliate. Just understand that you have
a force inside of you that can cause other people
to change if you for positivity and as what miss
Cotton's doing and how can we reach you of social media?
Do you have a website? Before we wrap up this call,
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Miss Cotton, Yes, for.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Sure, for sure. And one last thing I wanted to
say ver Sean is that when you find that purpose,
when you live your life authentically, when you are where
you're supposed to be, everything that you do will align
with your purpose. The money is going to come you're
doing what you're supposed to do, But not only that,
but the people that you impact and inspire is priceless.
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The rones that you get in the networking that comes
all of that. The money is great, but having those
things are priceless as well, So super easy. I'm Hollycotton
dot com Www h O L L Y C O
T T O N dot com, Instagram, Hollycotton underscore. Everything
is Hollycotton, Hollicotton, Holly Cotton. My new like I said,
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You can get my books global distribution anywhere that sales books.
You can get Born to Nobles, Amazon obviously the cheaper,
or you can come to my website and get it.
I have ebook versions as well. I'm looking to network
with any type of not politicians, of camps for summertime,
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of sports foundations, all of that stuff if you're looking.
You guys are worrying about getting these kids in football
camps and basketball camps and making them physically strong, but
we need to focus on them being mentally tough and
strong as well. So holler at me.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I know we'll holler at you again soon, probably in
the summertime. Again, thank you for coming to my show,
Holly Cotton. She's a winner, and again my next guest
is also winning. Thank you for coming to my show,
Holly Cotton. We strong now. Thank you and keep promoting,
keep promoting doing your thank you, I know you.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
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is a wellness expert, registered nurse, best selling author, breast
cancer survivor, life coach with a master's degree in nursing.
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Please welcome the Money Making Conversation Master Class. Holly Cotton.
How you doing? My friend? Hey?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Hi?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Who?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
That intro made me sound fancy? Thank you?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Well, you know, all I can do is tell the truth,
and that's the key. You know, I'm not making any
of these things up. What exactly when we get started,
Miss Cotton? What exactly where are you based at?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
By the way, I am in Houston, Texas?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Oh? Is that where you were born or did you
just transplant into the Texas market?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
No, I transplanted. I'm actually born and raised in home
of Louisiana, graduated from high school, went to LSU, lived
in DC for a few years and then came to
Houston and I've been here ever since.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Was it great?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Houston? Houston was well, I was born and raised, So
you're never here a negative thing about Houston from Rachelle McDonald.
I think it's the best restaurants in the world are
in Houston, Texas. That's me. I'm a big foodie, so
I tell everybody wherever I go, Houston is the place
to eat. Now let's get back to you, miss Cotton.
Master's degree in nursing.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Why Honestly, I needed some money and I knew a
trade was the best way to go about that. So
I always knew that nurturing and doing that whole thing
was kind of where I wanted to go. So I
tried all the different paths, all the you know, every
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time you major in something in college, you're like, ooh
I want to do sociology. Oh I want to do this,
Oh I want to do that. And so so I
got caught up in college and had a baby, and
I was like, Okay, I need to get a trade
really quick. So I actually started with my associate degree
in nursing, and then of course went back and got
(04:46):
my You know, my masters or whatever, so that I
could do obviously more things in the nursing. But yep,
that's how I ended up. Nursing found me. So here
I am still well.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Because you know, I always ask people, you know, my
degrees in mathematics, and mathematics basically fouled me because I
went to college for seven years dancing around trying to
find some instructors, some instructor that users used to was
just gonna give me some easy grades. I never found
that instructor, by the way, God never found that instructor.
But I was looking for. I was looking for. I
was looking for four and a half years. Then somebody said, boy,
(05:19):
stop looking at and open that book and start studying.
And I graduated two and a half years later in mathematics.
And when you get these degrees, you know, uh, it
was financial expectation tied to that when you got your
master's degree in nursing.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yes, so honestly, when I was in nursing school, because
I went the long way, so I did associate nursing,
then I did my bachelor's and then I went back
and got my masters. So when I was doing my bachelor's,
I had the worst professor ever, and I was like,
you know what, I want to get my masters so
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that I can teach because I wanted to give back
in some way. So I've always wanted to give back.
So I feel that nursing was a way for me
to sort of be that different but also have a
very lucrative career as well. So that's why I went
to my master's and then I started doing all these
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other things. So I never wanted to go back and
get my doctrine in nursing. I was like, Okay, I
you know, I've done nursing for my twenty years now,
and that's just something that I did. It's not who
I am. So that's why I stopped. But I still
teach because that's my way of giving back, you know,
or whatever. So but yeah, I mean nursing is very
(06:40):
I mean, you can make lots of money, and you know,
I have the same degree as nurse practitioners. I just
didn't want to go into that because I don't want
the liability that comes with being a nurse practitioner. And
I knew that nursing wasn't always where I was going
to be. I didn't know what else I wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
But I just knew that wouldn't have final step in your.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Life right exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Let me ask you this, Ms Cotton. I'm talking to
Holly Cotton. She's a best selling author of Media Personality,
Life Coach, Go Guru podcast Hope. Just see these additional credits.
I didn't read at the top, you know, because you
got a lot going on. I'm gonna just tell you
that right.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Now, I do.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Let me ask you this, the stereotypes they come with nursing.
Because you have a master's degree, because I you know,
you know, I have a sister law she's a nurse,
very talented nurse in the Houston, Texas market. What stereotypes
do you feel that people need to just this is
nurses are way more than this or stop thinking this
all nurses do. Can you help us out right now,
(07:44):
educate us?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yes, for sure, for sure. So nursing. Actually you don't
ever have to even touch someone in nursing, and when
people see nursing they automatically assume hospital or retirement home
or something like that, you know, home health nurse. And honestly,
(08:05):
probably in the last I don't know, twelve thirteen years,
maybe more than that, I haven't touched anyone in forever,
other than I had to do CPR on some people
a few times because they were they had coded, But
other than that, you know. So I think that's the
biggest stereotype people have with nursing. And it's great for
(08:27):
new nurses because I do think that new nurses need
to go off and work in the hospital or somewhere
where they can get hands on care because it is
critical thinking. But you know, I mean, I've been in
management again, I teach, you know, I'm a college professor,
so you know, there's so many other routes. I know,
I have a friend that's the nurse, and she's actually
in pharmaceutical sales. You know, she's never ever practiced as
(08:51):
a nurse, like ever ever, she's never done bedside. So
I think that's the biggest stigma a lot of people have,
is that they automatically assume they were going to have
to go and do shots and I don't like blood
or I don't like this, And you know, that's that's
so small of a genre of nursing that there is,
Like there's so many other things that you can do.
(09:12):
You know, I work for a healthcare company. I worked
as a director of nursing and management all of these
other roles. So that's the biggest thing I would say.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
You know, now, just get into your lifestyle. You know,
because your lifestyle, you know, you're very energetic. You can
tell by your voice that you you know you when
you have something to say, you're going to say it,
say it with energy. Now you embrace a holistic lifestyle. Now,
there are a lot of catchphrases out there, and the
worst holistic. It seems to be one of those catchphrases
(09:42):
that is very popular, especially on social media. Now, what
exactly is holistic? And when you tie the word lifestyle too,
what exactly is a holistic lifestyle?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
So a holistic lifestyle is basically when you're talking about body, mind,
spirit all in sync. So whatever it is that you believe, whatever,
whatever it is that you use to keep your mind
at peace, you're talking about, you know, spirituality. Some people
do meditation, some people believe in Jesus, some people. You know,
(10:15):
whatever it is that you practice, it keeps you grounded.
And then you have to talk about your mental health.
You have to think about your physical health, you know.
And I also say, for me, holistic also includes financial
health because even though we're talking about spirituality, I can
link spirituality into mental but I believe that the actual
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triage to have a holistic healthy lifestyle is that your
your finances, your mental health, and your physical health are
all in sync. Because if your money ain't right, now
you can't afford to go to the gym, or now
you know, you can't afford to to do pay your bills,
so now your mental health is off. Now you may
not have somewhere to stay. Now you can't now you know,
(10:58):
now your mental health is off because you're stressed out
about bills, so you you don't feel like going to
the gym. Now you you know, now you're introverted, you
don't want to go out, and you can't afford to
go anywhere. And then of course physical health comes into
that because now you can't, you might be unhealthy. Now
you're overweight, you aren't working out. So I feel like
if that's that's the triangle for me for holistic But
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you know, really, instead of financial, most people say it's spirituality,
but I say it's financial because if money ain't right,
everything is all.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I want to agree with you that because I'm telling
you so I can pray about money, but I need
money and make me feel good about that prayer. Okay,
I'm just gonna let you know.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
You can pray about.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
It, but that money shows but doing it right. And
I'm not saying it in a joking manner because I
think that everybody has faith, and if you have a faith,
you should hold oad to that. Now it's people.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I always say, whatever it is that you believe in,
believe and go hard. But I'll tell you this, God's
not giving giving you an eye idea, or he's not
giving you strength for you not to do the work
and come up with the plans, so he's gonna motivate me,
or I'm gonna get that spirituality going. But unless I'm
the one that's executing it and getting my money right,
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then I'm gonna still be in the same.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Pid, like do we have voice with him money?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Right?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
We're talking to Holly Cotton, Holly Cotton, high Cotton, I
would call you High Cotton. Holly Cotton. She is a
master's degree in nursing, best selling author breast cancer Survivor.
We won't talk about that in the next break because
I want to talk about the physicality. But before we
go to break, you mentioned something in the whole triage
of a holistic lifestyle was mental health. And you know,
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in the black community, just being am announcing that you're
stressing has been a no note, what do you think
has been a shift? And social media helped the black
community open up more about the issues and concerns or
seeking help in regards to therapy and acknowledging that stress
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does play a world in a black person's life. Can
you expound on that, Yes.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
For sure, I definitely think social media is that and
also I think that the resources are there. When you're
thinking about ten, fifteen, twenty years ago, everything was the
mentality of suck it up, move it on. You know,
even me, when I think about growing up, my mom
was like, all right, you have a bad day, Okay,
(13:28):
so what you're gonna do? Sit around cry about it? Like,
mental health was not something that we talked about. So
social media is definitely an influence on it because younger
people are being able to identify, hey, I'm having some
of these these thoughts, or hey I'm having some of
these behaviors. I see now that these are warning signs
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for anxiety or you know, put paranoia or depression or whatever.
So they're able to identify it sooner because of the resources.
So for me, social media, I feel is basically like
one of those airplanes in the sky that where they're
writing the words in the sky or the banner behind it.
(14:10):
That's what social media does. It's like, hey, let's highlight this. Hey,
come see this, come over here, this is something that's
going on. And so I think that the way that
people are having access to it is what it is
that's destigmatizing because it's also making these communities where people
are like, oh I feel that way too, Oh I
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think I'm doing this, and then they have these little
sects that they form where they can come together and
it's a safe place. So that's more of what I think,
rather than social media being the main of you know, like, oh,
this is it. This is the biggest thing ever that
you know, social media is doing all of this. I
think it's just the fact that it's the exposure and
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then having the resources that we didn't have before.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
We're talking to Holly Cotton would be right back with
more money, ma a conversation and talk about her. She's
the best selling authore so I know she has some books.
We want to talk about on the other side of
the break. But more importantly, I'm a breast cancer I'm
not excuse me. I am a cancer styroid cancer survivor.
She is a breast cancer survivor, and I know what
my experience is. I always like to share it on
the air because I had a trigger point in my
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life when I realized the doctor shared the word cancer
and how I reacted to it and I couldn't stop
my life. And we're going to hear how she reacted
to it when she was told that she had cancer.
Right back, this show was still upbeat. We're still flying high.
Don't go nowhere. You listen to money Making Conversations Masterclass
hosted by Rashad McDonald and I am interviewing Holly Cotton.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
We'll be right back with more money Making Conversations Masterclass
with Rushaan McDonald. Welcome back to the Money Making cos
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(16:11):
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Speaker 1 (16:14):
Holly Cotton, she is a weldness expert registered nurser. You
know she has a master's degree in nursing. Nursing she's
based now and she's Louisiana girl who's now based in Houston, Texas.
When you talk about survival, and in twenty fifteen, I
a doctor told me I had cancer. And then he
said the word treatable, right Rick, But I didn't hear
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the word treatable. All I heard was cancer and there
were five or cancer. Then he told me I had
and it was the most shocking and most jarring word
I had ever heard in my life. You know, you
read about it, you see it on TV, you heard
about fundraiser. But when that doctor told me that, I
will literally tell anybody, literally retail anybody my life. Did
(16:59):
Flo asked before my eyes? I talk about my I
talked about my talk about my family. I talked about
where I was at my life. I talked about but
I will tell you in the end when I when
it stopped flashing, I felt good about my life, where
I was at in my life. And I think it's
really important people hear that because you never know when
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you get a statement. You never know we're going in
that car accident. You never know when that moment might come.
You just want to make sure when when you hear
the words or you're getting near the end, make sure
your life you feel good about it. Make sure you're
doing the things you want to do in your life
currently and meeting their dreams and expectations that you want now,
what other people want, what you want, and getting an
(17:41):
out of life now. In your bio pits, Cotton is
uh brought to my attention that to your breast cancer survivor,
can you tell us about that when you was, when
you was exposed to the information and how you dealt
with it?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
For sure? And I've told this story so many times
the same as you say, as you boat is called
Strong more than Muscles, which is my autobiography about my
story about having breast cancer. So it was kind of
I've been a nurse, so for me. Twenty twelve October twelfth,
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twenty twelve celebrated every year as my cancer versary. And
that was the day that I found out. A week
and a half before that, I felt to lump when
I was getting out of the shower, and I immediately
knew it was cancer. I just I could tell. I mean,
I had been a nurse for you know, hover long.
I could tell the way that it felt I'm the
location of it, and I was just like, oh my god,
(18:38):
now I got cancer. What am I going to You know,
I got stuff to do. So that was my thought
process and so but it was the same thing. I
still wanted them to tell me that it wasn't cancer,
even though I knew that or it was. But I
got the call and my doctor was like, you have cancer.
You know it is. It is cancer. You need to
go see the doctor. So like the next I was
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already in the oncologist. We were already talking about surgery
and all of that. And so for me, I always
make the comparison that I was the physically. I was
physically strongest out of in my entire life. At that moment.
I could do pull ups. I was like doing twenty
pull ups, which you know for a girl, that's good.
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I was the push up queen. Like I was doing Insanity,
remember when Insanity without and all of the DVDs. So
I was doing all of that. So for me, I
was the healthiest and the strongest version up until then
that I had ever been. So for me to get
cancer was I was completely blindsided. I didn't even smoke.
(19:41):
I mean I didn't even drink. I've never smoked, So
I'm like, why did this happen to me? When I
have all these unhealthy family members and friends? Like why
is this me? And so, you know, at that point,
I was in survival mode and I didn't have time
to go back and forth. You know, I had two
young kids. I need to figure out what to do.
But after I went through all of my surgeries and
(20:04):
my treatments and everything, I started I was angry, and
I was very upset, and I said, why is this happening?
Why did this happen to me? Why am I going
through this? And I was angry for a little while
because I had lived a great, healthy lifestyle and now
I couldn't even put my hair in a ponytail, because
I couldn't even extend my arms, I couldn't bend over
(20:25):
to shave my legs, and I was very resentful. But
then I had the shift where I said why me?
Instead of the angry why mean, I was like, why
am I still here? And I started becoming a breast
cancer advocate. My doctor gave my phone number to other patients,
and I was talking to people. They would call me
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when they just got diagnosed and you know, I would
tell them about my stories what to expect, because I
didn't have that, you know, there was no one telling
me what was going to happen and what to expect.
So I told him about the test, I told them
about treatment, I told them about this, I told them
about that, you know. And so I realized that my
why was I was still here to be that person
(21:08):
for whoever needed it. And that's why I wrote my
first book, because I wanted to share my story. And
I mean, my book is still sold all across the world,
I mean not to Like two or three months ago,
someone from Romania, you know, messaged me that they gave
their mom my book. She said she couldn't put it down.
She read it in the day. She just got diagnosed
with cancer. So that meant a lot to me that
(21:29):
my book is still you know, circulating, and it's still
that way, but that's my story about the same thing.
I was like, this isn't fair, this isn't right, and
I was upset. But now I feel that my why
because I would have never gone off into this other
path that I'm on right now. I would have still
been a nurse, still just going to work, still doing
(21:51):
whatever but when I wrote that first book, it opened
a whole nother path in twenty nineteen, but I have
a question.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I want to follow up with it because or reading
through your value or says that pain will push you,
that pain will push you to your purpose, that you
can be sexy in a mom that you can be
a professional and still follow your entrepreneurial goals. I want
to inspire and motivate women to live their dreams and
stop settling for just living. I want to stay authentic
to my mission of changing the world by empowering others
(22:21):
to be their best self and highlighting their triumphs. Do
you feel because of your survival that's your purpose now?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Oh? For sure? For sure, I feel that when I
walk in the room, I want my brand of Hollycotton
to be all of that. Someone told me to write
down what it is that I want people to see
when they look at me, or when people look at
my social media or after people have a conversation with me,
(22:52):
and that row down And I hear people that say
that to me all time, and I'm like, yes, I
am where I'm supposed to be, doing what I'm supposed
to be doing. Because there is a woman that's watching
me right now, that's going through something. It doesn't even
(23:13):
have to be cancer. But we gonna rock the bikini.
We're gonna show them that we bosses. I'm a mom,
I'm gonna pick up and go on a vacation. I'm
gonna do whatever. I'm gonna eat me a cheesecake. I
just live my life every day that I don't need
a vacation from. And that's what I want to show people.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Awesome. Now you have some books. I want to definitely
get those out. You have a series of books that
you just released. You want to talk about those?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yes, I would love to. So I happen to on
your magic. And so I wanted to give back because
you know, just like you said Rashaan, you go through
you start doing these other things no matter where you are,
but you still gotta have a sense of purpose on
why you're doing it. Right, So for me, I was like, oh,
(23:59):
this money shots, this feels good, Okay okay, And then
last year I was like, God, I just feel like
I lost my sense of purpose because all I'm doing
is this other part. So I wanted to come back
to give back. So my initiative this year is adolescent
mental health because I wanted to go back and give
those kids because I wasn't always there for my kids.
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I know a lot of parents are in provider mode,
and we weren't giving kids that offer up with the Freeze,
Your Mind, Your Magic, and there's four books in it,
and basically it's the scenario on one side, and then
it's affirmations on the other side of what it's like
to grow up. So it's anywhere from late elementary till
(24:42):
high school, and it's different things, different topics, and then
it's affirmations and it's teaching kids how to speak life
into themselves, how to build mental toughness. And also I
wanted to create a way to have dialogue opening between
a parent and a child. So you can come in
the room and give this to your kid, or your
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kid can be reading it and they can say something
to you, or you can ask them, Hey, are you
feeling that way? Do you have body dysmorphia? Are you
feeling like you're in a toxic relationship? Are you getting
pressured for sex or are you feeling this way? Are
you worried about having responsibilities now? Is it? How do
you feel about being independent? So it's four series. I
(25:24):
mean it's four books in the series, one for girls
and boys, one specifically for young men, so it's topics
that young men face, and then one for special needing
kids because the wording is a little different so that
they can retain the information. And then I'll also have
one for chronic illness kids diabetic cancer or whatever, so
kids at Saint Jude or any type of sickness or whatever,
(25:46):
they can also have that to where it talks about
disabilities and you know, live in what chronic illnesses and stuff.
So there's four books, and also have them all written
in espaniol so to reach a broader audience as well,
so they actually come in Spanish too.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Wow, you have a lot to say, and I'm proud
you came on my show to say some of it,
because you ain't saying all. I'll just let you know that,
Holly Cotton. You know you are high Cotton. Okay, eh,
c for sure. But you know I always enjoy interviews
here that have a base of honesty tied to it,
and your story has a base of honesty. And then
(26:26):
you've taken that storyline, that sadness and converted it into
a purpose and that purpose is really important, and that's
all I wanted people to hear. The big takeaway from
this show is that you can get hitting the gut,
get hit upside the head with a baseball bat, get
pushed down in the mud, but just don't stay down.
(26:47):
Just don't let people whoever push you in the back.
You ain't got to retaliate. Just understand that you have
a force inside of you that can cause other people
to change if you for positivity and as what miss
Cotton's doing and how can we reach you of social media?
Do you have a website? Before we wrap up this call,
(27:07):
Miss Cotton, Yes, for.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Sure, for sure. And one last thing I wanted to
say ver Sean is that when you find that purpose,
when you live your life authentically, when you are where
you're supposed to be, everything that you do will align
with your purpose. The money is going to come you're
doing what you're supposed to do, But not only that,
but the people that you impact and inspire is priceless.
(27:30):
The rones that you get in the networking that comes
all of that. The money is great, but having those
things are priceless as well, So super easy. I'm Hollycotton
dot com Www h O L L Y C O
T T O N dot com, Instagram, Hollycotton underscore. Everything
is Hollycotton, Hollicotton, Holly Cotton. My new like I said,
(27:53):
my new initiative, Your Mind, Yourmagic dot com super easy.
You can get my books global distribution anywhere that sales books.
You can get Born to Nobles, Amazon obviously the cheaper,
or you can come to my website and get it.
I have ebook versions as well. I'm looking to network
with any type of not politicians, of camps for summertime,
(28:14):
of sports foundations, all of that stuff if you're looking.
You guys are worrying about getting these kids in football
camps and basketball camps and making them physically strong, but
we need to focus on them being mentally tough and
strong as well. So holler at me.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I know we'll holler at you again soon, probably in
the summertime. Again, thank you for coming to my show,
Holly Cotton. She's a winner, and again my next guest
is also winning. Thank you for coming to my show,
Holly Cotton. We strong now. Thank you and keep promoting,
keep promoting doing your thank you, I know you.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Thank you for joining us for this edition of Money
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