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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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My guest is the visionary founder and CEO of the
music text startup Who's Got Next Music, Inc. And the
extreme chairman of the Ann Sephus Family Fund. She has
charted a remarkable path from a collegic days to become
a pioneering force in music technology. Who's Gotten Next Music
is an artist applification platform dedicated to discovery and promoting
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the emerging music talent through fair competition, community engagement, and
easy access.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
To new sounds.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Please work in the Money Making Conversations Masterclass. LaTavia Woodwood.
That's a lot I just said about you, friend.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yes, thank you for having me today.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
So let's i'd say, collegic days.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Let's go back a little bit before we get into
the amplification of a new talent through technology.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yes, I'm a graduate of East Carolina university. I always
knew I wanted to be in tech, so that's the
career path that I chose. I got my first degree
in business with a concentration in management information systems, and
I had a job waiting for me here in Atlanta.
So I graduated on Saturday. I drove down on Sunday
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to my cousin's house, and I started working on Monday
and I've been here ever since.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
That's awesome. So music, though, can you sing? Can you rap?
Can you play an instrument? Tell me background?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I think I could sing, but oh no, no.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
No, no, don't do me a showers sing it? No
shower sing it. Let's go back to the roots. What
can we do over there? My friend?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Okay, Well, after been in my career for a number
of years in tech, after my second degree, been in
corporate for a long time, I happened to be asked
by my son, who is a professional music artist. Who
is that that is offset him? I think you may.
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He asked me to help him out with some of
his business affairs, and I was like, I don't I
don't know anything about the music business, but I'll help
you figure it out. He was on he was on
the road consistently at that time, and oddly enough, I
had just been sort of kind of passed over for
a job that I wanted and my path changed completely.
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I wanted this job so bad internally, I interviewed, they
offered me the job, and then the budget wasn't there,
so they had to take the job off the table,
and you know, I was like, you know, God, you
know you handed me this. This is I prayed for,
this is what I wanted, and it was given to
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me and taken away. And it was two weeks after
that that my son called me and asked me could
I help out with his business affairs? Help out?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
That was all said at that point in his career.
He offered you to help out.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
So he was with his group the Migos, or their
group the Migos, and they were traveling the world, and
so he had no time to really handle getting the
structure of his business that he didn't know that he
needed to needed to have at that time available get
it set up, and I found out that that was
something that needed to be done. Fortunately, his his manager
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at the time, Danny Zuk, was the person that kind
of helped me to understand some of the things that
he was missing. So we had to get all these
things set up for him. But I started to learn
more and more about the business. I asked a whole
bunch of questions, and I realized, there's a it's very complex.
The music business is not as easy as people might
think it is, you know, especially once you're signed to
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a label, and what your commitments are, what your what
your rights are, what their rights are, all these different things,
and so it was a huge learning curve for me.
But fortunately as I, as I dove more and more
into that business, I realized that there were some gaps
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for young people that are creatives that are not business savvy,
that they're they're actually giving up a lot without knowing
what they're giving up sometimes. And so I believe that,
you know, as I was doing all of this learning
and figuring out things for him, that God put it
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upon my heart to say, what are you gonna do
with this?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Like?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
What are you gonna do with all this this information
that you've learned, and how are you going to help somebody?
And so we came up with this concept of teaching
artists the music business, but doing so in a fun
way and in aging way, and something where they would
gain something, you know, throughout that whole process. So that's
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where Who's Got Next Music came in to play. So
I tied my technology background with this new music learning
that I've gotten over the past ten years now.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
And it is an app.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
It is actually in the Apple Stores and the Google
Store and there's a web. Yes, yes, we have not
officially launched yet. We did a beta so that we
would know how to really run the app. But what
it is is it is genre based music competitions and
a community. And we are launching in June our very
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first commercial. Yes, the best month. It's my birthday month
to June, tea, all of those great things happening in June,
and we will be launching with the hip hop genre
first and then we'll do it of course, and then
we'll it's actually the largest streaming genre in the world
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in the world, so so that's why we chose to
to start there first. It is our largest pool. But
the great thing about hosting these genre based music competitions
on app is that it is accessible to everybody. So
we're gonna start off with North America and Canada in
terms of artists, but the fans are my.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Little show you just got worldwide here.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
See I love people like you the topa. You know
you have this great idea, right yeah, it seems so simple,
so smaller than you. And then all of a sudden
you just went global on me.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
First of all, you slipped out the fact that you know,
hip hop is the most popular streaming music in the world,
and then you use the word not Georgia, not tension,
North America only.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yes, and Canada. In Canada, we're we wanted, we wanted,
we want to do do. We want to make sure
that we are providing emerging talent. Folks who have already
started to build a fan base have access to our
app and have access to win and grow. So it's
three rounds of competition in app, right, well, actually two
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rounds are in app and the third one is in person,
but all of the voting happens on app and it's
fan aggregated motor aggregate exactly. So we're talking about, you know,
if you were an artist and you bring your fan base.
If I were an artist, I bring my fan base,
and we're coming together on this on this platform, and
so our fans who are already emerging talent lovers will
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actually discover new talent. But they're there to support me, right, Oh,
yours are there to support you. But either way, we're
we're helping artists to build their fan base, to grow
their fan base, right, So that's one of our main goals.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yes, let me bring everybody up to speed exactly what
you're talking Sure, I'm talking about lot Tavia Woodward.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yes, she's had some new app. They're launchest in June. Yes,
and it's going to be called Who's Got Next Music?
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yes, okay, Who's Got Next Music is an artist applification
platform dedicated to discovery and promoting emerging music talent through
fair competition, right through fan competition of fan voting, community engagement,
and easy access to new sounds.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
They provide a web and mobile app that allows artists
to showcase their talent, connect with fans to participate in
the exclusive competition, making it easier for them to grow
their presence and reach a global audience.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Absolutely, so just think about you know, I'm from a
small town originally.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Did you think big though?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Because let me just say sure, I love big thinkers.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I love people who come from an environment where they
dream and they start connecting the and it starts impacting people.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
You are a game changer.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
You know you you you have a brilliant son is
in the music business. You engage in his lifestyle and
and and you saw things that were missing. Now you,
through your technical background, is allowing that to be a
global footprint.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
For other people to follow.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Absolutely, what is the.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Big upside I'm talking about? I have you engaged with
sponsors yet?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
All this so we are currently seeking sponsors. We're actually
currently seeking sponsors. I have built a board with an
angel investor here locally, and I have another board member
who's who's who works for Atlantic Records, So I actually
have some good people that are advising me along the way.
Nobody does this alone. And then I recently hired a
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marketing McDonald. Yes, yes, but this is what I do now, Yes, yes,
it is. I also brought on Alluring Social to help
me with social media because I am I am a techie,
I am not a social media influencer or anything like that.
So I brought someone on to take on that responsibility
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for me, and she'll be working with another person that
I brought on from TikTok that will handle all of
the marketing and branding for for for me, which is
a relief. Honestly, you got to know, I operate in
my strengths. I can do the technology road map all day.
They're the folks that's handling the marketing and the branding piece.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Okay, cool, let's talk about the right now. The app
is chilled, it's in beta state.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
It's their website.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yes, it is, Who's got Next Music dot com. You
can go there now. You can sign up for updates
as we're going along. Yes, as we're coming along.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
How does that come along with a people registering now.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Or they are people aren't registering. We're actually about to
have our first event in February. We wanted to have,
you know something in real life.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
She just talks. Okay, you know she should be all
the way to you in February.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yes, okay, our through through my marketing and Brandon folks,
they said, we have to have some experiential experiences to
kind of let people know what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
So we're a February events.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
So February, we are securing a venue, but we have
our panelist already. We're actually having an entertainment attorney joining us.
We have someone that's doing sync licensing, that's gonna speak
for us. And we have an emerging artist who just
came off tour that that will be on our panel.
That will be our panel. We actually have a showcase
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that will happen right after the panel, and so we
have a rap artist that is participating. We have an
R and B artist, and we're gonna give them a
few minutes to to be able to entertain us. But
while we're there, I'll have the opportunity to be able
to talk to artists and fans alike about what this
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is and produce users. Let's not leave them out because
they're they're super important to us too. We want them
to understand what it is that we do, why we're
doing it, and why they should be involved. Our contests
are not free, but they're also not for people who
have not built any type of audience yet. Either.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Take there's a fee.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
There is a fee good for the contest, But before
you even pay the fee, we make sure that you
actually have an audience, that you have engagement, not just followers,
because you can buy followers, but you can't buy engagement.
The box, yes exactly so, so so fortunately for you,
we're not even gonna take your money unless you actually
have real engagement. So we check that in our app.
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Once you go to sign up for a contest, and
if you do, you gain access to our database of
beats from producers that are non sampled beats. They are cleared,
so you don't have to worry about a clearance or
being sued or using this or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
That's huge. Yeah, that's really huge. So when they have access.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
To the beats in your database, will they have to
pay a fee?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
No? No, no. The fee that they paid for the
contest includes the beats that the beat that they'll use.
So let me be very very clear. You can listen
to as many beats as you want, but you only
get to download one because you're going to go and
create an original song and a video for our competition
within our submission period.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So that's what's the submission period window?
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Two weeks.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Two weeks.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Oh my goodness, this is sounding I you know, first
of all, I'm going to join the interview. I'm excited
because my mind is just racing from a creative and
then producing stamp on because I see the huge upside,
the opportunity. The key is getting the talent and being
able to work through the logistics.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Of the competitions right and making sure that they feel
it was worth the talent as well as the audience
who participating as the consumer, feels it's valid.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Step absolutely because well, first off, the fact that you're
entering the contest for one, a good beat is gonna
cost you more than that. Absolutely, so we've already so
you've already gained value by having the beat, access to
the beat database and getting one. Secondly, Who's Got Next
Music does not own any of the rights to the
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music that you create, other than to be able to
promote it on our platform. But you can release that
music commercially and you keep all of your rights, and
you receive all of your royalties for it, your performance
royalties panimal. All of that belongs to you, and it
belongs to the producer whose beat you use. So one
of the things that we need to be clear about
is once you use their beat, that producer is tied
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to whatever song it is that you create. You can't
submit a different song with a different beat. It has
to be that producer's beat. Because we want to bring
equity to the producer by making sure that they have
you're signing a producer agreement saying that they're going to
get fifteen percent of that of the royalties on that
song that you create if you commercially release it, which
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we encourage them to do. Right. So, whether you win
our contest or not release your song, you need to
be putting out music because you want to build a
fan base, and so you got to feed the fan base,
especially as emerging talent and you're discovering and figuring out
your sound.
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Speaker 3 (15:44):
So the value in this for the artists is number one,
they get access to a beat that's a high quality
beat that they can use for commercial release on you know,
whether they win or not. Secondly, the exposure that they
gain because as we're promoting them and they're promoting themselves
while they're going through this competition. Now they're getting exposure
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to a fan base that they didn't have before. So
all of the artists, you know, bringing their fan bases
to this platform, you're being exposed to them. Plus all
of the paid advertising that we're going to be doing
to promote our contests. So now you're getting your promotion,
you're growing your fan base, you have a song that
you can commercially release. You've gotten more than one ninety
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nine with a value just with that. If you win
the competition, you win five thousand dollars and so the
producer will win twenty five hundred dollars. And you also
get legal services for six months to a year after
winning our contest as well, because we're partnered with the
with the mckinlee lost and firm that will do that
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for you. There are IP and entertainment law firm, so
we'll make sure that you own your trademark, own your name,
those types of things, and we will for the fans,
we have a leaderboard for them too, so as they're
participating and voting, we have a leaderboard of who's actually
participating the most. So the first the top three fans
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for a contest also win. So there's upside for fans
to participate because they're making the decision. We're empowering them
to actually decide, well, what do you want to hear
on the radio? What do you want to hear on
these streaming platforms, instead of you know, stuff being forced
and pushed to them, they're willingly deciding what it is
that they want to hear, right, and there's therefore getting
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behind these artists and supporting them with their vote. It's
real time voting in the app, so you actually see
if that person had one hundred votes and you give
them ten votes, now they have one hundred and ten.
It's immediate you see it. So it's very transparent. And
the good thing about it is with that first round
of competition, it's just the music, so it's a quality.
Sound is important. So if you fall out in that round,
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that means you need to go work on your music
some We're going to give you some data to let
you know where you stand with your peers. Go work
on that. But you will have more fans than we
you started by just being in that in that first round.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Okay, cool, So February is an event, yes, okay, June
is the launching of the app. Yes, there's a website
right now that everybody can go to right now, Yes,
Who's gotten next music dot dot com to find out
more information about what you guys are doing. Yes, but
more important, they can register to be notified by upcoming events.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
That's absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
You have not found a location for the February event yet.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
No, my team is working on that. They're they're trying
to get it sponsored so that we actually have a
place that can hold about one hundred people to be
able to be there because we're specifically targeting artists and
their fans and producers and so, no, we do not
have a location as of yet, but they're they're they're
steadily working on that.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
You mentioned hip hop, Yes, you mentioned R and B. Yes,
okay with but my church folks like gospel. Now what's
going on with let.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Me tell you something. Our competitions are genre specific, so
there definitely is going to be a gospel contest. But
all artists are welcome to come to our event. It
is a clean event. They are definitely welcome to be there.
Come find out what it is that we are doing.
We're doing demonstrations while we're there so you actually see
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how the app works and you'll be able to ask
questions and things like that, so please come on out.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Ok. Cool, Now I gotta talk about the ant Sefhist
Family Fund.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yes, that's another great thing that you're doing in the community.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Tell us a little background about it.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
And that's also about taking young people, yes, and engaging
them in stem.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
That's absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Talk to me.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
So there are plenty of students who are very interested
in music and creative careers and a lot of times
our public schools are very much so doing a great
job of teaching them traditional education and so they don't
necessarily fit in those boxes, if you will, So we
know how important education is and tying music and technology together.
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It's just one of the programs that we are that
we've launched so far. We actually have four that we
want to launch, but it's one that we have. It's
called three R nine M, but we've just recently rebranded
that the Sound Pathways. And then it's a twelve week
cohort for students to actually learn the music business, and
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we're using technology to teach them, so they'll learn things
like how to do songwriting utilizing AI tools like lyric Studio,
and so with that they will not only gain skills
that will help them in the music business. It also
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will help them in any industry that they decide to
go into. So it's very important for us to teach
them transferable skills. As you've talked to one of our
board members, Glennis Lee, doctor Glennis Lee. Recently, we started
this foundation to honor my mom, who has some challenges
with with education, but always wanted, always loved it, but
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she didn't have the opportunity to finish traditionally. She ended
up going back to school and finishing her high school
diploma and then she went back and uh was working
on her on her second degree, on her first degree.
I'm sorry, and and got sick and unfortunately she succumbed
to her illness at the time. But one of the
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things she always loved was was was was learning like
she was and she very much so wanted to have
a technology career and it was not some it was
not possible for her. So to honor her love for education,
and we partner with my son for this this foundation
to take the music piece. We said, Okay, we're going
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to fill the gap with the creators in the school
system and provide them with transferable skills learning by teaching
them the music business using technology that's that's our first program.
We tried three we like I said, it was three
or nine m before we did that. Last year, we
learned some things from it and we decided that we
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wanted to simplify it a bit so we can keep
rolling enrollment instead of you know, we just enrolled during
during the fall and then you'd have to wait till
the next year. So we we decided that we wanted
to keep rolling enrollment, and in order to do that,
we had to modify our program, so we did. I'm
truly excited. We're about to kick off with them. We're
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about to have our team building this Sunday, and then
that kicks off the twelve weeks for us of them learning.
We'll have two field trips along the way. One of
them is going to be a production field trip where
we'll get to see behind the scenes how a show
gets put on. Who are all these people because there
are a ton of people that make uh, these shows
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really happen well. The second thing is the second trip
would be of to a music studio of course, so
that they can they can see all of the equipment
that's there. Even though we're encouraging them to have if
they want to create music that they actually have a
home set up, and we'll teach them how to do that,
but we want to want them to see the real
deal the professional studio as well group the high school students.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
High school students, now this is kept pretty much Atlanta based.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Right it is Metro Atlanta based, but it is, but
it's virtual. It is it is virtual uh sessions, So
there the kids will only meet for their field trips
and the team building that we're doing, but they're actually
working with us and learning virtually.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Not confuse audience.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
We was talking about the who's godenext music dot com.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
What is the website for the ant.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Foundation? So it is and a N N C E
P h U s f F for Familyfund dot org.
So it's a cphas f F dot org. And all
of our information about our programs are there. The application
is there if anyone's interested and applying. Again, this is
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for high school students in the metro Atlanta area. There
is also our email and our phone numbers there if
anyone has any questions. You can learn about our sound
Pathways program. It's also on the website so you can
actually take a look and see if it's something that
you're interested in. Again, it's it's twelve weeks and there's
no cost. Yes, there's absolutely no Costmusic dot Com.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
There's a.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Contest entry fee, entry fee, yep. Fans can can utilize
it for free. So there's there's no cost to fans
or anything like that. And if producers are interested in
contributing to the Producer database, they can reach out to
us via there's a form on our website as well
for them to reach out as well. So yeah, but
for the high school students, it's completely free. We take
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care of all the expenses for their field trips and
all that kind of thing. We just need students who
are really truly interested in music and we're going to
teach them the technology skills to be able to to
to learn that business.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Just got to bring this up.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
I met you, Yes, you being honored at the stem
A lot of women I found the Steminus ball.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yes, why they were honoring you.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
So I got I received the Emerging Technology Award because
I actually have I'm a I'm a tech founder, and
I'm a woman. I'm a black woman, and that is
not particularly common and and and given that we uh,
you and I both were honored that night, so so, look,
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I was just grateful to be in great company. Honestly,
it was a surprise to me that that that I
was being honored by the foundation. But I'm grateful for
it because I really want young young women, young girls
and young women to see a woman in stem that
is building their own products, their own applications, innovating to
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actually make a difference, to make an impact in someone
else's life, because we can be the change we want
to see.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Well, my friend, I'm glad I saw you get honored.
I'm glad I was there being honored too. But more importantly,
what is really driving you?
Speaker 2 (26:39):
You know, this is a lot of work.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Uh, it's sometimes there's a lot of behind the scenes
activity is going on. What's the we we talked about
the nas Family Fund Foundation, We talked about Who's Got
Who's Got Next?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Music dot Com. Those are two very powerful.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Amplifications of life for our ties, for young people.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
What's the otom to go for you?
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I am building a legacy company for my family. I
really am for my grandchildren that they will be able
to continue to make an impact on other people's lives.
It is important to me that we utilize the gifts
that God has given us to do good things. There
we have purpose in our life. There was a reason
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why I was passed over for that that other job. Right,
I believe that everything was divine because had I been
in that role, I would not have been able to
be as helpful to my son because I wouldn't have
not have had the time. And so I truly believe
that on this path that God has me on, that
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I have a responsibility. And then I'm gonna teach my
grandchildren to have this same one, to be able to
take what we have and be able to pour into
other people to make an impact in their lives. There's
a there's a problem that needs to be solved here.
We have cre creatives who are very talented people, but
they do not necessarily have the business skills and background
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to be successful on their own. So I want to
teach them those things in that community that we have
in the app, and also be able to help them
grow as musicians and also have the fan base support
that they need to be successful whether they're signed or not.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Then we get the registrate. She can't say, she can't say,
she can't say. The boy. She's a visionary and she's
a founder. She's changing lives at Lettabia. I want to
thank you again. Who's gotenext Music dot com is for everybody.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
It's a global app. First events in February. Yes, the
app lodgers in June. Yes, you're going to come back
on my show in February when you locked down that place.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Absolutely, so we can promoted. Lord knows it's going to
be back. But we want to get the word out.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yes, and employ people to go to the website and
register so they can get the information out.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I'm excited for you. I'm really excited.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
I'm always excited when people see something I can see
and when I see him talk, this is really good.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
And when I hear you.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Talk, I see a very organized person who wants to
help people win.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
And that that's that's you can't buy that. You cannot
buy that. Thank you for coming on Money Making Conversations.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
You, thank you, thank you for having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Appreciate.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
This has been another edition of Money Making Conversation Masterclass
posted by me Rushaun McDonald. Thank you to our guests
on the show today and thank you. I'll listening to
the audience now. If you want to listen to any episode.
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your gifts. Keep winning