Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Dr. Jacque Rushin & Robyn Donaldson.
ROBYN DONALDSON & JACKIE RUSHIN
🎙️ Podcast Overview
This special Juneteenth episode of Money Making Conversations Masterclass, hosted by Rushion McDonald, features Dr. Jacque Rushin and Robyn Donladson, two award-winning educators and thought leaders. The episode commemorates the legacy of Dr. Gladys B. West, a pioneering mathematician whose calculations led to the creation of GPS. Together, the guests discuss how her story ties into the mission of Juneteenth, the importance of STEM education, and their newly launched Westward Bound life and STEM skills program.
📚 About Dr. Gladys B. West
• Legacy: Mathematician and GPS pioneer
• Era: Born in 1930, came of age during segregation
• Alma Mater: Virginia State University (HBCU), later earned a PhD
• Recognition: Often called a “living hidden figure”—though not featured in the Hidden Figures film
• Current Home: Fredericksburg, VA
📘 Books Discussed
• It Began With a Dream: Dr. West’s memoir, chronicling her life from sharecropping roots to GPS trailblazer
• Westward Bound: A curriculum-based program developed by Dunson and Rushing inspired by Dr. West’s principles
💡 Key Themes & Insights
• Juneteenth Connection: The delayed recognition of Dr. West mirrors the delayed liberation of enslaved Black Americans
• STEM Equity: Many students aren’t underperforming—they’re underexposed. The Westward Bound program seeks to close that gap
• Mental Health & Tech: While Dr. West helped pioneer GPS, she herself still uses maps to keep her mind sharp—a warning about over-reliance on tech
• AI & Overconsumption: Dr. Rushin draws attention to how misuse of AI and technology can impair critical thinking and mental wellness
• STEM as Liberation: STEM exposure is not just about careers—it’s a path to freedom, agency, and long-term resilience
🎓 About Westward Bound
• Mission: Teach not just hard skills (STEM) but soul skills—endurance, vision, self-awareness, and purpose
• Framework: Uses the acronym W.E.S.T. (Wisdom, Endurance, Strategy, Tracking)
• Audience: Underserved communities, students, adults in transition, entrepreneurs
• Access: Currently partnering with colleges, camps, and educational programs nationwide
🔁 Personal Journeys
• Dr. Jacque Rushin: A humanitarian, mental health expert, and curriculum developer who fuses wellness and educational development
• Robyn Donaldson: A global STEM advocate and 2025 Presidential Lifetime Achievement Award recipient. She discovered Dr. West’s book and launched the movement to amplify her story
📣 Call to Action
Listeners are encouraged to include Dr. Gladys West in Juneteenth programming, integrate It Began With a Dream into school libraries, and explore the Westward Bound program as a tool for transformative education. Visit stemxposure.org or call (813) 990‑7700 for more info. #best
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:35):
My next two guests are on the show discussing the
significance of June team. If you don't know about juneteen,
the day commemorates the ending of slavery in the United.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
States, and why.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
It is important to highlight pioneers like doctor Gladys West
in that same context. Please welcome to Money Making Conversation.
Two of my favorite people, doctor Jackie Russian and Robin Donaldson.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
How you doing, ladies now? I got both of you
guys on the screen here.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
People are listening to this in audio. Jackie, word you
reside at right now.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Atlanta and Robert Word Petersburg, Florida.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Saint Petersburg, Florida.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Good, now we're going now when I look at you'all bios.
You know, Jackie, I've interviewed you a couple of times.
You're an award winning business executive, author, mental health professional,
and humanitarian educator.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Robin.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
You received a twenty twenty five President Lifetime Achieving Award
for contributions to STEM education globally. Now the word education
is in both of you guys titled and then I'm
talking to about a book I read.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It Began with a Dream by doctor Gladys B.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
West, and her contribution is something we use every day GPS, GPS,
and I think that when you start talking about a
black invention, black creation, that's important. So I'm gonna start
with you, Robin, because the words them. Then the word
globally popped up in your intro. Talked about the importance
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of an individual life.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Doctor Gladys West, Well, first, thank you for allowing me
to be on the show. This is this is this
is very important. And I feel that doctor West is well,
first of all, she's a living hidden figure and what
her accomplishments have how her accomplishments have actually changed our
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way of living and every discipline of life that GPS
or her technology, her accomplishments made these things possible. And
then to know that she's the last living Hidden Figure
who was not mentioned in the movie Hidden Figures. I
felt that her story needed to be told, the un
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told truth about doctor Gladys West. And then from reading
the book, it just made sense to collaborate Juneteenth, what
it means, and then also the celebration of doctor West,
her book, her accomplishments on Juneteenth.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Now, let's talk about a little history on Dr West.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Born in nineteen thirty, still alive today, living in Frederickburg, Virginia.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
My mistaking correct, You guys just recently visited that young lady.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I'm gonna call her a young lady because I'm want
to be that old one day, okay and go past
her okay, and she's alive and kick it.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Now. She was a person, you know. I read the book.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Words like negro colored were used throughout the book. That
was the era she grew up in, but that didn't
stop her. She went to Virginia State, which is an HBCU,
which is now Norfolk State, she wasn't satisfied. She went
and got a master. She wasn't satisfied after thirty nine
years of teaching math. And by the way, my degree
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isn't math. So I really related to her and felt
a kind of kinship with my girl, doctor West.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
But I didn't go.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
As far as her, as far as academia. She went
and got her pha and it didn't just stop there.
But before we I just wanted let everybody know who
we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Now.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I want to slide over to Jackie and tell us
about June t you're a humanitarian, talk to us about juet.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Well, you know, it's like you said in the introduction,
Juneteenth is about the delayed freedom of African Americans, and
that in a nutshell, just speaks loudly in terms of
why it needs to be celebrated, why people like doctor
West needs to be included in that, because it's like
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a delayed recognition delayed freedom. And what doctor West represents
is the quiet, often overlooked brilliance that changes the world.
And when you think about June teenth and all of
that hidden talent, all of that hidden opportunity, all of
that suppressed talent, you can't help but to revere June
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teenth and think about all of the talent, all of
the hidden figures, all of the various careers and the
inventions that were suppressed that we now have an opportunity
to speak to. And when we think about doctor West
in this meeting her, she represents the fact that you
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don't have to be loud to be a legacy. And
that's what I actually got from her, is that she
is just so humble, but she's just brilliant. She's like
a mathematical genius.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
No no, no, don't use the word light is yes yes, yes, yes, yes, math.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I know there's certain limits to Rasha McDonald when he
comes to math. I may have a degree, but was
happy to want with that degree. Yes, she undergraduate degree.
I wasn't talking about getting the masters. I wasn't talking
about getting a PhD. Because she talked about that when
she went back and got our PhD. And she was
in the class. Of course, she was in the class
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and basically the only person of color in the class,
and she was competing with a lot of pwi's, which
is predominant white institution graduates. And she herself was surprised
as how things that they were having difficulty with she
fould rather easy, she Folt rather normal. But that goes
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back to her training, and that goes back to how
people raise you. I want to go back to you, Robert,
because you've had a lot of conflicts in your personal
life to be the person that you are today. But
it all goes back to that village and how people
come into your life at certain points and then inspire
you to be the great person you are today. That's
what you got the Presidential Lifetime Achievement Awards.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Talk to a Robert.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Story I resonated with immediately because again thinking about it,
she went from a sharecropper to a GPS premier and
all of the struggle, all of the setbacks, disappointments, all
of those things that she had to go through. So
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again her story resonated with me. And to know that
you can be someone from humble beginnings and change the world,
that is my mission. That's also the mission now, yes.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
And your mission is also tied to STEM. Why is
that so important?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
If our kids are not pursuing STEM careers now, they
will be lost. And I'm a firm believer that our
kids they're not pursuing high paying STEM careers, not because
of their aptitude, it's simply because they have not been exposed.
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So this is my mission in life to expose these kids.
Whether they articulate toward a STEM career or not, they
will have been exposed and so therefore now they have
a choice. But STEM education is so very important. And
then also looking at the trend where everything is going
everything is robotics. It used to be a time when
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I was growing up that I had only to compete
with the kids that rode my school bus or that
attended my high school. But now you have to compete
with anyone who can apply for that job online.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Also robots, right, you know, it's kind of it's really
I should say, funny, but life does allow you to
We're living my life. Born in the fifties, lived in
the sixties, you know, went to high school, graduated in
the seventies, went to college and graduated in the eighties,
and lived my life. To see but one time where
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a watch was the cartoon version of Dick Tracy is
now something we well, people were talking via video now.
You know, Jackie, you know you wrote a book about
AI technology consuming people's lives that really has had a
major impact over the world. Tell everybody about that book.
But also GPS, which is doctor West had a major
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say in the development of the GPS, which we use
every day. But sometimes technology is good if we use
it right, but could also be overwhelming. Let's talk about that, Jack,
because that's your expertise, young lady, mental health.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
You know, it's interesting. When I was listening to you,
listen to you speak, doctor West said that she rarely
used her GPS system to get around. She liked to
use maps in those types of things because she didn't
want to use She didn't want to lose that critical
thinking and those her cognitive abilities by depending on a
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tool set. And so when you think about the question
that you just asked about AI and mental health and
all of that, that's exactly what she's saying. Is you
put it in context when Robin was saying that our
kids today are not embracing and understanding technology in a
way that compliments them. They are really being left behind.
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And so when being left behind and using it inaccurately,
it is causing a mental health crisis. It's causing us
to lose that. And what doctor West is teaching us
with her inventions is you can have brilliants, but everything
has a place, and it's meant to compliment you and
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not to take over everything that you do.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
You still need to.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Have a hand in building your house.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Well, you know it's important that you say that.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Let's talk about GPS, you know, because I tell you
sometimes the other day I just had to stop.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I just stop, as Richard stopped.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
When you to depend then on GPS, I will tell you,
Robert and Jackie, I will go and I would use
GPS and would not know how to get back because
I was laugh right, you know, drive this point, go
to this point where when I grew up. If you
just told me, Rashan, you know, I ten. I was
born in Houston, Texas, so I it was a major freeway.
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Go down to this street, make a left at the kmart,
and then going down to make a left at the
gas station. I'll be the third house on the right
with the address. That's how I grew up. That was
my GPS, with words that were even written on the
paper or somebody told me on telephone. Today, Rushan McDonald's
been so captivated by technology that if I go somewhere
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via GPS, I can't even get back home.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Okay, and that's what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Right, Jackie.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Okay, Okay. So GPS stands for Global Positioning System and
so it's comprised of satellites that speak to stations here
on Earth. And so when when Robin was speaking to
me about doctor West, because she introduced doctor West to
me because I was not familiar with her, and when
she told me about it, I had to go and
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look it up. And when I did, she said, I
would really like to help elevate this technology in doctor West.
And so when I read about her, I was like absolutely,
So we came together and collaborated and developed a program
for young kids based upon the principles that doctor West
used and developing the GPS, and we called it westward
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Bound and using the principles from her her last name,
her acronym, which which focuses more on like wisdom and
execution and accuracy. It's about having a vision about where
you're going, a position of starting point, which a lot
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of our young kids they don't have. And so that's
where Robin and now we collaborated a lot in terms
of being able to pull this program together based upon
the work that she did with GPS.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Now let me tell you the Robert You're always getting
your hands into something. Miss Stem, miss nationally recognized as
a presidential Lifetime Achieving Wards.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
You know I got my way back twenty three, twenty two.
You know it's twenty.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Twenty five talking to day Jack five. You know she's
very current in her celebrations. Now, how did you how
did you find out about doctor West?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Well, it was three years ago during our summer camps,
our architectural camps. Her and her husband were the.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Slow down one minute tell us about the architectural camps.
Because I love talking to Robin. She had blow past
the value points because people need to know how great
you are. What are the architectural camps?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Okay, So my background, I'm an architectural designer and builder,
and with me, I find the Stem and everything. So
this particular summer we were a whole seen a global
camp at that time. We were in several different countries
and a couple of time zones, and her and her
husband were guest speakers. And when she saw all of
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those beautiful black boys and girls on the zoom, call Robin,
I have to get the book into their hands. I said, Okay,
I can help you.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Do that.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
She says, I want to get it into libraries and
every place else. I said, well, doctor West, you asking
me you doctor West right, and said, God asks Moses
to build the arc. And so from that that has
been my quest to put doctor West on the map
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in honor and just educate, educate, educate on who she is,
what she has done, and then see yourself within her
story because it's so so relatable. And from that, from
meeting her, I just took on that mission. And again
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when I met Jackie, I understand that she's an amazing
curriculum content writer and when I talked to her about
what we wanted to do, and she just took a
whole holistic approach to it. And as a result, we
have an amazing West Profound program that not only is
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useful for the youth, but even adults, or even adults
that are entrepreneurs or anyone that is wanting to change
their lot in life. The book is going to give
you a step by step on how to do it.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
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Speaker 2 (16:01):
The books we're talking too, I want to give people
a computer.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
We're talking about two books, the Westwood Bound Book and
then we also have it Began with a Dream. Is
the book that doctor West asked you to put into
these students' hands.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
It was doctor Gladys B. West.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
It's a memoir about her life how they all started.
But like I said, she was born in nineteen thirty,
so she walked through a lot of territories that today
we would stay. That's unfortunately I couldn't exist. I wouldell people.
I don't know if I could survived some of the
environments that these young people lived in and thrived in.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
And she went to an HPCU. She pledged.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Aka she is a foundation was built through relationships, through mentory.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
That's what you two ladies do.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Mentorship, like I said, didn't start last week with social media.
Mentionship has been important because she talks about the power
couple that was at Virginia State that enables her to
be the person she is today. So when you when
you talk about relationships, Jackie, this westward Bound program, how
does one register for I said, westbound apologize?
Speaker 4 (17:09):
So the west Redbound, of course, is an educational program.
It's a life skills program. And let me just tell
you that the the the West Rebound component of it
is it complements like the STEM programs that people teach.
So we don't just teach history or SKIM or STEM
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skills or soft skills. We really teach soul's skills, which
is what doctor West talked to us about. It's about
being able to reach these kids in a different way.
And so the way to actually get the program is
just to reach out to UH through Robin's program, the
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STEM Exposure and sign up for it, and well we
can work it from there. We're are working with a
couple of universities. We're from the NDA, so we can't
really speak about that. Who are interested in being able
to bring these programs to their outreach programs as well.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Now, Robert, what's the website?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
W w dot s t E m x p O
s u r E dot org.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
One more time, w dot.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
S t E m x p O s u r
E dot org.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
A great, Robert, what that being said, how does the
program intentionally support underserved communities and address equity and STEM
and life skills When you bring the removal d I
an opportunity to access program.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Hmm, can you accept one more time? You have a
couple you have had a little add on to that
hold on.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Because I added on j I or added that on
because of the fact that there's so many programs have
been taken away by this current administration. And I've always
told people, if you teach and you give people access,
then they don't need the because they can compete properly.
So I'm asking you, you guys have established this program
in relationship I'm talking of westwood Bound in relationship with Jackie,
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is that how does this program intentionally support underserved communities?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
That's our target market, That's who we are looking to
help with this book. And I feel that by studying
the Westwardbound Principles, going through each one of the modules,
as Jackie mentioned earlier, it is helping you step by
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step position yourself. So again, whether you're trying to economically
or educationally, this book is your step by step guide
on how to do so.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I have to ask this question, and either want Jackie
or Robie could answer this question. How long has the
program been in existence?
Speaker 4 (20:09):
We began collaborating and developing the program earlier this last
year and so I would say about I would say
about six months.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Six months.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
So Robert, within that period, have you been able to
see any transformations. Have you been able to witness the
students and how they've responded to the program?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Well, we have not actually had a class. However, throughout
the camp we exercised those same principles and actually I
speak of it every day and for the students and
I'll say six students that I have exposed it to.
It's really a relief because not only the Westward bounce.
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But let me first go there, but we first talked
about doctor West and her concerns, her resilience that she
had to overcome, and who she is today. And then
from that westbrook Bound Now they understand who they are,
what they can do, and they actually have their i'll
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say their map planned out. So for example, yesterday we
were talking about we're in an architectural camp and we
were talking about all of the different disciplines that you
can pursue, and there was one wanted to pursue engineering.
So again using the westbrook Bound principles, we identified what
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classes you're taking next year once you go back to school,
what other classes you need to sign up for in
order to go to the junior college and get your
AA and then go off to a major university pursuing
the engineering path. So that's where that book is going
to be very, very helpful for the students that are
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in my class, for any of the students that are
reading the books.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Let me tell it, my guests, let me bring you
everybody up to speed. As doctor Jackie Rushan, She's an
award winning business executive, author, mental health professional, and humanitarian educator.
The voice you just heard was Robin Donaldson. She received
a twenty twenty five President Lifetime Achieving Award for contributions
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to STEM education globally. Jackie is based in Atlanta and
Robin is based out in Deep Florida. Down that in Florida,
not in the Tip area. Now, when as we talk
about what we're trying to achieve here, you know, June teenth.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
That's a day.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I'm from Houston, Texas, so that was the first day
they acknowledged June Team. So I'm very a champion of that.
When it went national, at the time President Joe Biden
signed off over, it was like an extended celebration for me.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
But that commemorates you know the end.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Of slavery right now, we are celebrating academic success in
the African American community, now, Jackie as a humanitarian, as
an educator, because you on this call, I can assure
you got more degrees in both me and rob Okay,
What does that mean when we talk about a liberation,
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well emancipation where slavery was happening in the eighteen sixty
five and we're talking about a person like doctor Gladys
West and somebody who contributed to something GPS that is
not going away. It's been used by the military for
years prior to becoming used by everyday people. How can
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we continue to train moving forward in a positive direction
so it benefits everybody, not just black.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Well, the program really is it is transcendent. In other words,
it really is not just for black people. It's just
that we happen to be talking about underserved communities. Those principles,
the West principles, if you think about them, W is
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for wisdom. We're talking about wisdom endurance strategy tracking. Everybody
needs that and it really is for every person. As
a matter of fact, with that program, I use it
during my addictions counseling because it's all about endurance. When
you talk about liberation and emancipation, all of that to
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me is spiritual work. It's about the thing that you
need to anchor you. It's the difference between climbing and ascension.
So basically, if you think about our STEM programs from
a career perspective, which is what we typically focus a
lot when we deal with children, which everybody focuses on,
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we're talking about climbing, and there are different behaviors that
you have when you're climbing if it's not anchored in ascension,
which is what the west Were Bound program is about,
because that's what anchors you in terms of endurance, in
terms of revealed of resilience. Because the world is not
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designed to make it easy for us. Doctor West said
told us when we were talking with her that when
she was a young girl, she stood in the field
working and she just knew that she did not want
to be in that field work. And this is a
girl about eight or nine years old. She knew that
there was something that was greater than this. And so
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what the Westward Bound program says is you have to
think greater. You have to believe that there is something
greater than what you're standing and when we're talking about
liberation emancipation in juneteenth, that is how all that that
came together because people believe that there was so much
more to what they can achieve than where they were.
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And so to me, that's key in terms of connecting
all of this together. All of these degrees mean nothing
if you're not grounded from a spiritual perspective in terms
of the things that are going to keep you going.
When you fall from the clime, you need something to
anchor and balance you.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Now, Robert, you got us all involved. Now, it was
kind of like a three sixty. You know, you took
the idea of the Jackie.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Then Jackie knew me, then you became Now we're on
this call promoting it now because you mentioned due to
the NDA, you could not tell me about the opportunities
that you're working with a couple of universities. Now, Robert,
you brought the idea to Jackie the Westwood Bound program.
Can other communities contact you or Jackie and try to
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get more information on how they can bring this. Because
I was growing up they had an upward bound program.
It wasn't a stimulated program, but it was a game
motivational getting kids, exposure them to college life, letting them
know there was more than what they had in their
community out there. There's a bigger world out there. So
I'm very familiar with motivational camps. But again, this is
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the Westwood Bound camp. How can other communities contact you
to find out more about this as well as getting
doctor Gladys westbook.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I'm glad that you asked that question. So I can
be contacted at area code eight one three nine nine
zero seven seven zero zero, and I can be emailed
at executive at stem exposure dot org. And also there
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is I can share of Saint Pete College is a
local community college here. There are seven locations and I
asked the provost if he would assist in helping put
doctor Wes on the map, and he said, well sure.
So what happened was he had all seven of his
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campuses in their auditorium and they viewed. They had the
opportunity to watch the movie Hidden Figures. Each one of
the students were gifted a book and then we had
a guest speaker, which was doctor wes daughter who was
also a mathematician, so she was able to speak to
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you know, the life of growing up with doctor Gladys
West and then also you know what made her become
a mathematician and also speak to the book. And so
that was one way that we were able to put
doctor Wes on the map. And we are also asking
anyone that is hosting a Juneteenth event, whatever you're doing,
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make sure that doctor West is the focus.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Well, I want to thank you both ladies for coming
on my show discussing this incredible story.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I read the book and actually read the book this
morning prior to the interview.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
It's a great read. Is a memoir.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I guess when you're reading about the history and you're
reading about the incredible heights, you know it will it
will keep your attention because again I did not know this,
and there's always information that makes you shine a bit
brighter when you are educated beyond your own natural thought process. Again, Jackie,
dear friend, thank you for coming on Money Making Conversation
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master Class. And my new dear friend Robin, thank you
for you know, bringing this attention to it because Jackie
didn't know.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
But what we do know it began with a dream
doctor Gladys by West. That's a memoir and I recommend
people to pick it up so their children and they
can know that the history has been made every day
and people of color are making a difference in this world.
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My next two guests are on the show discussing the
significance of June team. If you don't know about juneteen,
the day commemorates the ending of slavery in the United.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
States, and why.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
It is important to highlight pioneers like doctor Gladys West
in that same context. Please welcome to Money Making Conversation.
Two of my favorite people, doctor Jackie Russian and Robin Donaldson.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
How you doing, ladies now? I got both of you
guys on the screen here.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
People are listening to this in audio. Jackie, word you
reside at right now.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Atlanta and Robert Word Petersburg, Florida.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Saint Petersburg, Florida.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Good, now we're going now when I look at you'all bios.
You know, Jackie, I've interviewed you a couple of times.
You're an award winning business executive, author, mental health professional,
and humanitarian educator.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Robin.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
You received a twenty twenty five President Lifetime Achieving Award
for contributions to STEM education globally. Now the word education
is in both of you guys titled and then I'm
talking to about a book I read.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It Began with a Dream by doctor Gladys B.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
West, and her contribution is something we use every day GPS, GPS,
and I think that when you start talking about a
black invention, black creation, that's important. So I'm gonna start
with you, Robin, because the words them. Then the word
globally popped up in your intro. Talked about the importance
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of an individual life.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Doctor Gladys West, Well, first, thank you for allowing me
to be on the show. This is this is this
is very important. And I feel that doctor West is well,
first of all, she's a living hidden figure and what
her accomplishments have how her accomplishments have actually changed our
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way of living and every discipline of life that GPS
or her technology, her accomplishments made these things possible. And
then to know that she's the last living Hidden Figure
who was not mentioned in the movie Hidden Figures. I
felt that her story needed to be told, the un
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told truth about doctor Gladys West. And then from reading
the book, it just made sense to collaborate Juneteenth, what
it means, and then also the celebration of doctor West,
her book, her accomplishments on Juneteenth.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Now, let's talk about a little history on Dr West.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Born in nineteen thirty, still alive today, living in Frederickburg, Virginia.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
My mistaking correct, You guys just recently visited that young lady.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I'm gonna call her a young lady because I'm want
to be that old one day, okay and go past
her okay, and she's alive and kick it.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Now. She was a person, you know. I read the book.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Words like negro colored were used throughout the book. That
was the era she grew up in, but that didn't
stop her. She went to Virginia State, which is an HBCU,
which is now Norfolk State, she wasn't satisfied. She went
and got a master. She wasn't satisfied after thirty nine
years of teaching math. And by the way, my degree
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isn't math. So I really related to her and felt
a kind of kinship with my girl, doctor West.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
But I didn't go.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
As far as her, as far as academia. She went
and got her pha and it didn't just stop there.
But before we I just wanted let everybody know who
we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Now.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I want to slide over to Jackie and tell us
about June t you're a humanitarian, talk to us about juet.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Well, you know, it's like you said in the introduction,
Juneteenth is about the delayed freedom of African Americans, and
that in a nutshell, just speaks loudly in terms of
why it needs to be celebrated, why people like doctor
West needs to be included in that, because it's like
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a delayed recognition delayed freedom. And what doctor West represents
is the quiet, often overlooked brilliance that changes the world.
And when you think about June teenth and all of
that hidden talent, all of that hidden opportunity, all of
that suppressed talent, you can't help but to revere June
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teenth and think about all of the talent, all of
the hidden figures, all of the various careers and the
inventions that were suppressed that we now have an opportunity
to speak to. And when we think about doctor West
in this meeting her, she represents the fact that you
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don't have to be loud to be a legacy. And
that's what I actually got from her, is that she
is just so humble, but she's just brilliant. She's like
a mathematical genius.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
No no, no, don't use the word light is yes yes, yes, yes, yes, math.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I know there's certain limits to Rasha McDonald when he
comes to math. I may have a degree, but was
happy to want with that degree. Yes, she undergraduate degree.
I wasn't talking about getting the masters. I wasn't talking
about getting a PhD. Because she talked about that when
she went back and got our PhD. And she was
in the class. Of course, she was in the class
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and basically the only person of color in the class,
and she was competing with a lot of pwi's, which
is predominant white institution graduates. And she herself was surprised
as how things that they were having difficulty with she
fould rather easy, she Folt rather normal. But that goes
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back to her training, and that goes back to how
people raise you. I want to go back to you, Robert,
because you've had a lot of conflicts in your personal
life to be the person that you are today. But
it all goes back to that village and how people
come into your life at certain points and then inspire
you to be the great person you are today. That's
what you got the Presidential Lifetime Achievement Awards.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Talk to a Robert.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Story I resonated with immediately because again thinking about it,
she went from a sharecropper to a GPS premier and
all of the struggle, all of the setbacks, disappointments, all
of those things that she had to go through. So
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again her story resonated with me. And to know that
you can be someone from humble beginnings and change the world,
that is my mission. That's also the mission now, yes.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
And your mission is also tied to STEM. Why is
that so important?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
If our kids are not pursuing STEM careers now, they
will be lost. And I'm a firm believer that our
kids they're not pursuing high paying STEM careers, not because
of their aptitude, it's simply because they have not been exposed.
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So this is my mission in life to expose these kids.
Whether they articulate toward a STEM career or not, they
will have been exposed and so therefore now they have
a choice. But STEM education is so very important. And
then also looking at the trend where everything is going
everything is robotics. It used to be a time when
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I was growing up that I had only to compete
with the kids that rode my school bus or that
attended my high school. But now you have to compete
with anyone who can apply for that job online.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Also robots, right, you know, it's kind of it's really
I should say, funny, but life does allow you to
We're living my life. Born in the fifties, lived in
the sixties, you know, went to high school, graduated in
the seventies, went to college and graduated in the eighties,
and lived my life. To see but one time where
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a watch was the cartoon version of Dick Tracy is
now something we well, people were talking via video now.
You know, Jackie, you know you wrote a book about
AI technology consuming people's lives that really has had a
major impact over the world. Tell everybody about that book.
But also GPS, which is doctor West had a major
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say in the development of the GPS, which we use
every day. But sometimes technology is good if we use
it right, but could also be overwhelming. Let's talk about that, Jack,
because that's your expertise, young lady, mental health.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
You know, it's interesting. When I was listening to you,
listen to you speak, doctor West said that she rarely
used her GPS system to get around. She liked to
use maps in those types of things because she didn't
want to use She didn't want to lose that critical
thinking and those her cognitive abilities by depending on a
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tool set. And so when you think about the question
that you just asked about AI and mental health and
all of that, that's exactly what she's saying. Is you
put it in context when Robin was saying that our
kids today are not embracing and understanding technology in a
way that compliments them. They are really being left behind.
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And so when being left behind and using it inaccurately,
it is causing a mental health crisis. It's causing us
to lose that. And what doctor West is teaching us
with her inventions is you can have brilliants, but everything
has a place, and it's meant to compliment you and
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not to take over everything that you do.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
You still need to.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Have a hand in building your house.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Well, you know it's important that you say that.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Let's talk about GPS, you know, because I tell you
sometimes the other day I just had to stop.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I just stop, as Richard stopped.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
When you to depend then on GPS, I will tell you,
Robert and Jackie, I will go and I would use
GPS and would not know how to get back because
I was laugh right, you know, drive this point, go
to this point where when I grew up. If you
just told me, Rashan, you know, I ten. I was
born in Houston, Texas, so I it was a major freeway.
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Go down to this street, make a left at the kmart,
and then going down to make a left at the
gas station. I'll be the third house on the right
with the address. That's how I grew up. That was
my GPS, with words that were even written on the
paper or somebody told me on telephone. Today, Rushan McDonald's
been so captivated by technology that if I go somewhere
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via GPS, I can't even get back home.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Okay, and that's what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Right, Jackie.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Okay, Okay. So GPS stands for Global Positioning System and
so it's comprised of satellites that speak to stations here
on Earth. And so when when Robin was speaking to
me about doctor West, because she introduced doctor West to
me because I was not familiar with her, and when
she told me about it, I had to go and
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look it up. And when I did, she said, I
would really like to help elevate this technology in doctor West.
And so when I read about her, I was like absolutely,
So we came together and collaborated and developed a program
for young kids based upon the principles that doctor West
used and developing the GPS, and we called it westward
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Bound and using the principles from her her last name,
her acronym, which which focuses more on like wisdom and
execution and accuracy. It's about having a vision about where
you're going, a position of starting point, which a lot
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of our young kids they don't have. And so that's
where Robin and now we collaborated a lot in terms
of being able to pull this program together based upon
the work that she did with GPS.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Now let me tell you the Robert You're always getting
your hands into something. Miss Stem, miss nationally recognized as
a presidential Lifetime Achieving Wards.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
You know I got my way back twenty three, twenty two.
You know it's twenty.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Twenty five talking to day Jack five. You know she's
very current in her celebrations. Now, how did you how
did you find out about doctor West?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Well, it was three years ago during our summer camps,
our architectural camps. Her and her husband were the.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Slow down one minute tell us about the architectural camps.
Because I love talking to Robin. She had blow past
the value points because people need to know how great
you are. What are the architectural camps?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Okay, So my background, I'm an architectural designer and builder,
and with me, I find the Stem and everything. So
this particular summer we were a whole seen a global
camp at that time. We were in several different countries
and a couple of time zones, and her and her
husband were guest speakers. And when she saw all of
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those beautiful black boys and girls on the zoom, call Robin,
I have to get the book into their hands. I said, Okay,
I can help you.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Do that.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
She says, I want to get it into libraries and
every place else. I said, well, doctor West, you asking
me you doctor West right, and said, God asks Moses
to build the arc. And so from that that has
been my quest to put doctor West on the map
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in honor and just educate, educate, educate on who she is,
what she has done, and then see yourself within her
story because it's so so relatable. And from that, from
meeting her, I just took on that mission. And again
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when I met Jackie, I understand that she's an amazing
curriculum content writer and when I talked to her about
what we wanted to do, and she just took a
whole holistic approach to it. And as a result, we
have an amazing West Profound program that not only is
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useful for the youth, but even adults, or even adults
that are entrepreneurs or anyone that is wanting to change
their lot in life. The book is going to give
you a step by step on how to do it.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Please don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more
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Speaker 2 (16:01):
The books we're talking too, I want to give people
a computer.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
We're talking about two books, the Westwood Bound Book and
then we also have it Began with a Dream. Is
the book that doctor West asked you to put into
these students' hands.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
It was doctor Gladys B. West.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
It's a memoir about her life how they all started.
But like I said, she was born in nineteen thirty,
so she walked through a lot of territories that today
we would stay. That's unfortunately I couldn't exist. I wouldell people.
I don't know if I could survived some of the
environments that these young people lived in and thrived in.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
And she went to an HPCU. She pledged.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Aka she is a foundation was built through relationships, through mentory.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
That's what you two ladies do.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Mentorship, like I said, didn't start last week with social media.
Mentionship has been important because she talks about the power
couple that was at Virginia State that enables her to
be the person she is today. So when you when
you talk about relationships, Jackie, this westward Bound program, how
does one register for I said, westbound apologize?
Speaker 4 (17:09):
So the west Redbound, of course, is an educational program.
It's a life skills program. And let me just tell
you that the the the West Rebound component of it
is it complements like the STEM programs that people teach.
So we don't just teach history or SKIM or STEM
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skills or soft skills. We really teach soul's skills, which
is what doctor West talked to us about. It's about
being able to reach these kids in a different way.
And so the way to actually get the program is
just to reach out to UH through Robin's program, the
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STEM Exposure and sign up for it, and well we
can work it from there. We're are working with a
couple of universities. We're from the NDA, so we can't
really speak about that. Who are interested in being able
to bring these programs to their outreach programs as well.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Now, Robert, what's the website?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
W w dot s t E m x p O
s u r E dot org.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
One more time, w dot.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
S t E m x p O s u r
E dot org.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
A great, Robert, what that being said, how does the
program intentionally support underserved communities and address equity and STEM
and life skills When you bring the removal d I
an opportunity to access program.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Hmm, can you accept one more time? You have a
couple you have had a little add on to that
hold on.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Because I added on j I or added that on
because of the fact that there's so many programs have
been taken away by this current administration. And I've always
told people, if you teach and you give people access,
then they don't need the because they can compete properly.
So I'm asking you, you guys have established this program
in relationship I'm talking of westwood Bound in relationship with Jackie,
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is that how does this program intentionally support underserved communities?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
That's our target market, That's who we are looking to
help with this book. And I feel that by studying
the Westwardbound Principles, going through each one of the modules,
as Jackie mentioned earlier, it is helping you step by
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step position yourself. So again, whether you're trying to economically
or educationally, this book is your step by step guide
on how to do so.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I have to ask this question, and either want Jackie
or Robie could answer this question. How long has the
program been in existence?
Speaker 4 (20:09):
We began collaborating and developing the program earlier this last
year and so I would say about I would say
about six months.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Six months.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
So Robert, within that period, have you been able to
see any transformations. Have you been able to witness the
students and how they've responded to the program?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Well, we have not actually had a class. However, throughout
the camp we exercised those same principles and actually I
speak of it every day and for the students and
I'll say six students that I have exposed it to.
It's really a relief because not only the Westward bounce.
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But let me first go there, but we first talked
about doctor West and her concerns, her resilience that she
had to overcome, and who she is today. And then
from that westbrook Bound Now they understand who they are,
what they can do, and they actually have their i'll
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say their map planned out. So for example, yesterday we
were talking about we're in an architectural camp and we
were talking about all of the different disciplines that you
can pursue, and there was one wanted to pursue engineering.
So again using the westbrook Bound principles, we identified what
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classes you're taking next year once you go back to school,
what other classes you need to sign up for in
order to go to the junior college and get your
AA and then go off to a major university pursuing
the engineering path. So that's where that book is going
to be very, very helpful for the students that are
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in my class, for any of the students that are
reading the books.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Let me tell it, my guests, let me bring you
everybody up to speed. As doctor Jackie Rushan, She's an
award winning business executive, author, mental health professional, and humanitarian educator.
The voice you just heard was Robin Donaldson. She received
a twenty twenty five President Lifetime Achieving Award for contributions
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to STEM education globally. Jackie is based in Atlanta and
Robin is based out in Deep Florida. Down that in Florida,
not in the Tip area. Now, when as we talk
about what we're trying to achieve here, you know, June teenth.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
That's a day.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I'm from Houston, Texas, so that was the first day
they acknowledged June Team. So I'm very a champion of that.
When it went national, at the time President Joe Biden
signed off over, it was like an extended celebration for me.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
But that commemorates you know the end.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Of slavery right now, we are celebrating academic success in
the African American community, now, Jackie as a humanitarian, as
an educator, because you on this call, I can assure
you got more degrees in both me and rob Okay,
What does that mean when we talk about a liberation,
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well emancipation where slavery was happening in the eighteen sixty
five and we're talking about a person like doctor Gladys
West and somebody who contributed to something GPS that is
not going away. It's been used by the military for
years prior to becoming used by everyday people. How can
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we continue to train moving forward in a positive direction
so it benefits everybody, not just black.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Well, the program really is it is transcendent. In other words,
it really is not just for black people. It's just
that we happen to be talking about underserved communities. Those principles,
the West principles, if you think about them, W is
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for wisdom. We're talking about wisdom endurance strategy tracking. Everybody
needs that and it really is for every person. As
a matter of fact, with that program, I use it
during my addictions counseling because it's all about endurance. When
you talk about liberation and emancipation, all of that to
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me is spiritual work. It's about the thing that you
need to anchor you. It's the difference between climbing and ascension.
So basically, if you think about our STEM programs from
a career perspective, which is what we typically focus a
lot when we deal with children, which everybody focuses on,
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we're talking about climbing, and there are different behaviors that
you have when you're climbing if it's not anchored in ascension,
which is what the west Were Bound program is about,
because that's what anchors you in terms of endurance, in
terms of revealed of resilience. Because the world is not
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designed to make it easy for us. Doctor West said
told us when we were talking with her that when
she was a young girl, she stood in the field
working and she just knew that she did not want
to be in that field work. And this is a
girl about eight or nine years old. She knew that
there was something that was greater than this. And so
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what the Westward Bound program says is you have to
think greater. You have to believe that there is something
greater than what you're standing and when we're talking about
liberation emancipation in juneteenth, that is how all that that
came together because people believe that there was so much
more to what they can achieve than where they were.
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And so to me, that's key in terms of connecting
all of this together. All of these degrees mean nothing
if you're not grounded from a spiritual perspective in terms
of the things that are going to keep you going.
When you fall from the clime, you need something to
anchor and balance you.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Now, Robert, you got us all involved. Now, it was
kind of like a three sixty. You know, you took
the idea of the Jackie.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Then Jackie knew me, then you became Now we're on
this call promoting it now because you mentioned due to
the NDA, you could not tell me about the opportunities
that you're working with a couple of universities. Now, Robert,
you brought the idea to Jackie the Westwood Bound program.
Can other communities contact you or Jackie and try to
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get more information on how they can bring this. Because
I was growing up they had an upward bound program.
It wasn't a stimulated program, but it was a game
motivational getting kids, exposure them to college life, letting them
know there was more than what they had in their
community out there. There's a bigger world out there. So
I'm very familiar with motivational camps. But again, this is
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the Westwood Bound camp. How can other communities contact you
to find out more about this as well as getting
doctor Gladys westbook.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I'm glad that you asked that question. So I can
be contacted at area code eight one three nine nine
zero seven seven zero zero, and I can be emailed
at executive at stem exposure dot org. And also there
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is I can share of Saint Pete College is a
local community college here. There are seven locations and I
asked the provost if he would assist in helping put
doctor Wes on the map, and he said, well sure.
So what happened was he had all seven of his
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campuses in their auditorium and they viewed. They had the
opportunity to watch the movie Hidden Figures. Each one of
the students were gifted a book and then we had
a guest speaker, which was doctor wes daughter who was
also a mathematician, so she was able to speak to
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you know, the life of growing up with doctor Gladys
West and then also you know what made her become
a mathematician and also speak to the book. And so
that was one way that we were able to put
doctor Wes on the map. And we are also asking
anyone that is hosting a Juneteenth event, whatever you're doing,
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make sure that doctor West is the focus.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Well, I want to thank you both ladies for coming
on my show discussing this incredible story.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I read the book and actually read the book this
morning prior to the interview.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
It's a great read. Is a memoir.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I guess when you're reading about the history and you're
reading about the incredible heights, you know it will it
will keep your attention because again I did not know this,
and there's always information that makes you shine a bit
brighter when you are educated beyond your own natural thought process. Again, Jackie,
dear friend, thank you for coming on Money Making Conversation
(29:35):
master Class. And my new dear friend Robin, thank you
for you know, bringing this attention to it because Jackie
didn't know.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
But what we do know it began with a dream
doctor Gladys by West. That's a memoir and I recommend
people to pick it up so their children and they
can know that the history has been made every day
and people of color are making a difference in this world.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yes, thank you for coming on Money Making Conversations.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Thank you for being the gift that you are.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
This has been another edition of Money Making Conversation Masterclass
hosted by me Rushawn McDonald. Thank you to our guests
on the show today and thank you listening to the
audience now. If you want to listen to any episode
I want to be a guest on the show, visit
Moneymakingconversations dot com. Our social media handle is money Making Conversation.
Join us next week and remember to always leave with
(30:28):
your gifts.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Keep winning.
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