Take It Personal (Esoteric of Czarface Interview)

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Ladies and gentlemen. We have aspecial guest. We have a Manesoteric.
One half of seven L and Esotericone third of is our face. He
is joining us on his Boston tribute. Let's welcome Esoteric. We have a
lot to talk about. Obviously,this is a Boston show, and we
had Dart Adams on just before you, and believe it or not, we're

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gonna have TG on next. Sothere's so much to talk about. But
let's get into it. Seven Land Esoteric. Right. I know you
guys been doing something since like thenineties, And correct me if I'm wrong.
Rebel Alliance dropped first, right,that was like maybe ninety five ninety
six, If i'm I was taken, okay, And that's where a lot

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of people first heard you. Obviouslyoutside of Boston. This is around the
time where the Internet was booming.You had sites like Underground hip Hop and
I know you know Sambox and hiphop Site. All these different sites allowed
people to connect to groups like yourselfthat are not from that area. I

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know, uh, maybe ninety sevenI bought Protocol. Is that the year
dropped? Yeah, ninety seven Ibought it from added Sandbox and and you
know I've been rocking you guys sinceall. Y'all, y'all, I will
leave in a day. Sosokacs,please think, let's let's go back to

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the start of this all for you, because you were first and foremost,
like like many of us, ahip hop head before you became a hip
hop artist. Absolutely yeah, Imean a fan first. I think a
lot of a lot of artists arefans first and have a lot of influences.
Boston influences. Ed Oh is aninfluence, top choice, click RSO,

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TDS Mob, These guys have biginfluences on us. Let us know,
you could do it from the Bostonarea and uh be heard, you
know usually the New York rappers andthe guys on your home TV raps for
the real superheroes. And then edOg showed up in your MTV raps and
it was just like wow, andit, you know, making records became

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you know, something tangible and youknow it's taken us, you know,
pretty much a lifetime of creating musicand creating hip hop to get where we
are. But it's been worth it. So how did it start for you?
Back then? It was you know, that was a time period where
there's a bunch of open mics,there's battles there, you know, the

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bar scene, shit like that thatwas really big in the cities and stuff.
Is that how it started for you? Or you just straight up make
songs, go to seven L's crib, make the songs, start passing them
around. How to start? Ithink it started with a probably open mics
and performances, probably just running concurrentlywith making records, because you would you

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know, record the joints and thenyou get to perform them at you know,
shows with very low attendance where youknow, everyone in the crowd was
was also an artists more or less, or a fan or a fan and
an artist at the same time,you know what I mean. There was

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a there was It wasn't many timeswhere you got off stage and somebody wasn't
looking to you know, be heard, you know, their own stuff or
check out their demo, and Ithink that contributed to the growth of the
scene where there's a lot you know, everybody was an artist, and that
kind of cultivated a fan base ofpeople that were you know, fans of

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the music, but they weren't actuallyparticipating in making the music, which is
what I think any of the theartists really wanted. They wanted to,
you know, be the only guyNMC's attitude. They just want to be
on stage and shine. And eventually, with the indie boom, I guess
in like the mid nineties, wecultivated some type of a following all the

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crews that we came up with thatin Boston, and that's it was recording,
but it was also performing. Andthere were battles, you know,
you know, off the dome battles, like actual freestyle battles, not not
the battles that you would spend likethree months writing raps about somebody. You're
just looking at them and in thatmoment and seeing what they're wearing or you

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know what little you know about themand you try to take the head off
that way. And they didn't soundas probably perfect as the battles here today
where they're rehearsed and dope and entertaining. But it's just it was a different
time, different art form really oneminute each y'all know the deal. We
know to deal as a cherik ofthe stage going to nick a toy out

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of stage, not a crab.I'm not courageous, I'm not a crab
like stages. I stoun's a picof tageous. It stoles from the middle
ages. That's why I keep craplike him in little cages. I snapped
little stages. But when I standupon the microphone, YO, stop dancing.
I get mad til I missed thelips with this clip stick at the
round ball spray what I saw?That'sl Tevick thomps the potocol. Do you
want to battle meat coach? Youknow you need a hit. You're no

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good, dirty rote island piece ofshit. Go back to conveidence. Some
metal dominance will send your crafts backdown in the competence. I fucking calling
in the metal supper tactle. Takeyou down to chin and fucking battles.
I stand in the battle stances.It's fucking Saints Frances with a family that
was raid on cattle ranches. Youfucking crabs. You don't want to battles

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down there? How are you?I've just flying those sucker cruise like you.
You don't know what to deal inthe attack team. You look like
a cracks bean. Then he hada drag queen just sucking up. It's
calling a bad team, step track, cover and go. I don't meet
the class bean, what you're doing. Waver in your hands, shave the
command you want to god the mice, start taking a stand when your fan
is fens right, you bet Aguess the morning it's like, why I

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put my fucking albow in you anothernight? Now? Were you trying to
come into uh New York a lotor were you strictly trying to stamp your
roots in Boston? I mean,I guess once you get to a certain
level, you just saying, youknow, are we gonna kind of go
to so bees? Are we goingto run into the city and try to
you know, almost compete or bea part of that fabric? I mean,
what was your what was your gameplan with that? Yeah, we

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definitely we weren't concerned like a lotof I think a lot of artists in
Boston that were concerned with Boston MusicAwards and winning an award here. We
were more concerned with like a SourceAward or something like that. You know.
So we were always thinking, uh, dreaming big, yeah, bigger,
and New York's always been to mecca, and so we go to New

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York, we go to all therock Steady events and you know, give
our records to as many people aspossible, like ninety six, before seven
L Esoteric, we were known asGod Complex And we went to rock Steady
Anniversary that year and I gave PrincePaul our record and Barbido our record,
and Prince Paul called me back andleft a message on my eight hundred beeper

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or whatever, and it was justlike he left the voicemail at one point
saying it was dope and just blewmy fucking mind. And then, uh,
I think that gave us a littlebit of confidence to continue and showed
us we were on the right path. And that path has said it's peaks
and valleys, but right now we'reenjoying a little bit of a peak,
Which is good? Would you say? And I asked the same question in

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Dark that the the nineties, thelate nineties movement cecically in independent underground was
the time that really solidified Boston inthe hip hop world because obviously Edo was
a big name, but you guys, there was like a wave you know,
Acro and lift guys like the youknow, Eld the Head Toucher,

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like there was so many different artiststhat came out and it seemed like it
was just a very It was likealmost like the golden era of Boston hip
hop was like that late nineties run. Yeah, I think it's all a
matter of perspective, you know whatI mean, because there are people before

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us that you know. Obviously RSOwas signed to Tommy boy Edo, Obviously
Top Choice, Click had a dealwith A and M Spice. Spice was
signed to Atlantic, and of courseLove and Hayden. There was Marky Mark
and Good Vibrations. So there wasthat was probably a bigger scale than what

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all of we, all of uswere doing on the independent level where we
all were trying to I guess,you know, keep it as authentic as
we possibly could. But I thinkif you were following, if you were
tuned into that scene at that time, I think a lot of those records
were very important to a microcosm ofhip hop fans, and a lot of

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casual hip hop fans never knew theyexisted, you know what I mean.
No, it was it was theboom Bap movement. Everything was very boom
bap. It had a certain soundto it. Well, yeah, there
was definitely a a sound. Imean, the boom bap stuff, I
think is all a result of everyonebeing so inspired by Premiere and following the

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rule book for better or worse,and it was definitely like a golden era
for us for sure. But Ijust I think in the bigger scheme of
things, there are people absolutely andI know you guys know this, but
the people that just love hip hop, love it, love it, love

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it. But their working knowledge ofgroups from you know, Boston is probably
not that thorough. You know,their frame of reference for hip hop is
Nas Tupac, Biggie Wu Tang fromthat era, you know what I'm saying.
So, so as far as likeBoston goes, this indie boom that
we had with the groups that youhad mentioned was fruitful for us and exciting

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for us at the time, andwe're great if people look back back at
it as something that was impactful.It definitely uh kept us going, you
know. So I feel like youguys were among a crop of artists at
the time that I would call likethe underground superstars and believe it or not,

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and listen, we were up inMilwaukee and there was there wasn't a
lot up there. There was alot of Chicago. But yeah, in
in our world of playlist that wewould go and rock every week on the
radio, you know, songs likeBe Alert, Call Me Ees, speaking
Real Words, that was in heavyrotation every week, and we would put

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you on the short list of theUnderground Superstar. Did you guys realize at
the time that you were getting tothat point and did that carry something?
You know, like, hell yeah. I think at the time, at
the time, we probably thought wewere bigger than we were and maybe but

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in respect, it just I don'tknow, it's hard to put it in
perspective, you know, if youlook back at that at that era versus
everything we've been swimming through up tillnow, we've seen so many different waves,
you know what I mean, Ifyou take from nineteen ninety eight to
twenty twenty three, I mean we, as you guys all know, I've
been through a ship storm of differentdifferent waves of hip hop. And I

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mean that when Soul Purpose came outand Call Them Ees and Be Alert,
was be able to see the differencebetween Sole Purpose and Be Alert, Like
the Alert felt like it came outlike a lifetime before the Soul Purpose did,
and it was really maybe three years. But you know, when you're
listening to hip hop, I meannineteen eighty six to nineteen ninety one is

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like a lifetime in evolution, andninety one to ninety six is a lifetime,
and then like ninety six to twothousand and then I feel like,
I don't know, twenty ten totwenty twenty three. It feels like it's
all been the same one way orthe other with the you know. But
that's just my perspective on it.I think a lot of that is age.

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If I'm not mistaken to fly aroundthe same age. I was a
seventy eight kid. Kev's a seventyeight kid. You're somewhere along. Yeah,
yeah, it is, it is, It is age. I mean,
I try to take that perspective,you know what I mean. If
you hear every trap beat, yousay, wow, that sounds exactly the
same as the last trap beat.But you could play a bunch of records

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from nineteen eighty nine, which wasa highly competitive year in hip hop,
and the kid that's listening to itmight say, oh, all these beats
are one hundred beats for many whenthey all have you know, James Brown
break beats or whatever. That's exactlywhat my daughter tells me. Yeah,
she's hip on James Brown is sheI just think it's a producer's world,
and I think that a lot ofthe shifts once the independent movement came through,

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allowed so many regions to shine becauseyou didn't have to have premiere,
You didn't have to have you know, you know, large pro you didn't
have to have these prolific people thatwe kind of held to higher standards.
So when you went to a particularregion, you know, your boy who's
sitting in the bedroom can create andmove people forward, unlike you know,

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a rapper or somebody who has aparticular style, and you know, the
elevation is a bit slower, soyou can ease in through production. I
mean there's many songs regardless of theregion. I'm like, I'm just gonna
fuck with the instrumental because I don'tcare what the other guys, you know,
what the guys are saying over it. I think production allowed, you
know, two thousand to twenty totwenty three, you know, kind of

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being that same thing because we've justour tastes have changed. You know,
we really liked what was the gatewayfor most of us, and then you
know, when it gets to acertain point where we're almost not checked out.
But it's not the most important thingin our lives. Yeah, making
it so we don't really have thesame love for it, you know,
it's just different. Yeah, yeah, I know what you're saying. I

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know what you're saying. I meanone of us. All right, all
right, all right, let's let'syou don't have to repel. Next question,
Next question, Mercy, Mercy killing, hold on Mercy Killing right.

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So I knew, I knew wewere gonna chat today. So I was
playing, you know, some ofsome of your joints, and came across
Mercy Killing right, your Eastern Conferencedisc and I love how you wove in
the jabs and such that those artistsyou know, dropped on you towards the
end of that song. How youhave that that skit that you kind of

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formulate as part of the song.Oh yeah, you can find me in
the club with the ons. Butthe fuad hunka who who always was just
and nothing, just a ton ofbuzz you to know that just the beef
dot will wait, how many wentthe men do I have to slave?
Help me get them out? Therest? Go and take yourself a shake,

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give them couch your rest. I'llfind you with them. A W
ninety four was training the ridge,you know, shame, no scientifical shit,
And you can't talk about it likeyou're still in your whip. If
you we thought it, did youshave? Why you still sway? Shame.
I don't really remember what the thoughtprocess was when we're making that skit.
I just I think we're having morefun than anything else, you know

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what I mean. And that's exactlywhat I felt. I heard it too,
like yeah, yeah, it was. It was nothing personal. It
was just like I mean, temperswere flaring at that time, and I
think, like me personally, Iwas excited to be in some type of
what I viewed as like a rivalryor beef or you know, this is
what an empty wants, you know, an MC has to have an opponent,

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and you know, and I foundmyself having a like ten opponents at
one at one time or whatever,and that was like exciting to me at
the time, you know what Imean. It was like, oh wow,
okay, this is some type ofa challenge. But you know,
I knew some of those guys beforehand, and we were cool beforehand, and

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now we're cool again, you knowwhat I mean. So Okay, I
think I think now it's it's reallywater under the bridge. I feel like
it's probably two decades since since wemade those records, and it's not something
I listened back to or anything likethat. Like I don't even listen to
the Czar Face records. I don'tlisten. Like, once we record something,

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we have done it and we've livedwith it so much at that point
that it's out there for people.And the more that I listened to records
of my own, I will finda flaw in it because just how I
am, you know what I mean, I'll just kind of pick out the
things that are wrong with it.So once I think something's done, it's

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gone so like so like if youwere to ask me to like perform Mr
be Killing right now, like Iwouldn't even know how it started. But
I do remember the skin at theend because it was like a lot of
you know, fun to make anduh uh LP came back with a great
reply. At the time I heardit, I was like, shit,

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do I got a reply to thistoo? And I was feeling kind of
tired at the point, like geez, what can I say? Now we're
famous with broth Moll telling you crawledright the fuck in and we forgot him
a goddamn savage with a record ofalways winning. We don't really think that's
the tongue of anyone stuck on you. We played a sold song boss the
last week. What the fuck washe doing? The very first jam I
want to set with We're famous?I got a shame it with the live

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show. That song is a crowdfavorite. I'm gonna the great Bosston,
but lack of good energy. Youshould show that sometimes. Make this one
a minute trek from Beverly. We'vegot the gump. Shut up the fuck
with l P when you're writing songsfor a wrestling from the w B.
God damn is that that battery wasjust born a whore. What's the point
of selling out if it doesn't helpyou sell in stores? And so we
just decided to let it fade.It's interesting that you said that like I

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wanted an opponent, right, becausethat's what an MC wants. They want
to have a rivalry. They wantto have, you know, somebody that
is going to kind of keep themin check. So curious if if that
thought process is shared amongst other artistsas well, or if that's something that's
just kind of something that that youcraved being esoteric, and you know,

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was some of this kind of likeyou know, reality TV kind of drama
just kind of created behind the curtain. Not saying your beef was, but
some of the other beefs that we'veheard over the years, is it all
kind of puppet strings? I don'tthink so. No, And I didn't.
I didn't want an opponent, Butwhat developed was a beef that was,

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you know, could be settled onmaking records, you know what I
mean. It was like, wow, this is like, you know,
we grew up listening to to conflictsof MC's battling, you know what I
mean, arrest shann these types ofthings that I'm like, all of a
sudden, you know, this isa very microcosmic realm that we were dabbling
in here versus KRS and SHAM.But it was still like, wow,

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uh, this is like I gottastick up for myself here and I can
write about it, and I canwrite these rhymes distant these guys. This
is fun. This is really fun, you know what I mean. And
so it wasn't that that I wantedan opponent. It was more that something
you know, there was some typeof miscommunication or shit talking online that was
just construed one way or the other, and all of a sudden, we're

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making records and I don't know,it was more fun than anything. I
mean, peace to those guys,like I wish, I wish them all
the best, and I've I've exchangedwords with a few of them since and
everything's been cool, and uh yeah, I think they're all talented guys.
It seems like not to touch toomuch on those beat, but it seems

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like you've always kind of been linkedto these like supergroups. Right. That
was Army of the Pharaohs that Ithink had It was Army, it was
Demi God. It was Demi Gods, right, that had that beat that
you were a friend to keV.Yeah, so but let's go back to
our the Pharaohs was like seven ninetyeight, maybe ninety eight if I recall
its, Like, how did thatcome about? Because that was you,

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virtuoso, uh Paz and stoop mymissing? Who else am I missing?
There's a lot of guys. It'sreally Vinny passed his brainchild, really and
I mean I would say me too, but because it was he came up
with the name and it was hishis you know, baby really, but

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I was probably the most enthusiastic guy, most excited about making something happen with
aotree. I don't mean to beI'm trying to focus, but I predicted
earlier today that the Celtics were gonnawin by ten, and I made it
public and they're up ten with withlike twenty two seconds left, so it's

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like it's over seventeen one seventeen oneO seven. Yeah, it's over ten.
Exactly what did I say, Okay, let's do this interview. We
can start over. I mean Icalled it. He'd be it to me
straight top, play him, playthat to me and his money, by

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the way, they split so farthey're won and one this year. So
I just mean this game. Isaid, the Celics are winning by ten
on the NBA Instagram boom and oneby ten. All right, So AOTP,
how did that come about? BecauseI guess he's from Philly, you're
from Boston. Maybe you wanted to, like, you know, use each

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other's demographics and you he comes intotown, you're going in town. How
did this even come to fruition?Yeah? I don't like using each other's
demographics. I don't even think wewere like thinking that way at that time.
We were thinking about, Wow,I love the way you rhyme.
I love the way you rhyme.We're all taking you know, hip hop
in this direction kind of what wesaw as a more lyrical direction, more

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complex, intricate, left of centerproduction and everything. And I think we
connected. We actually, me andVinnie, we actually had chatted on the
phone a lot. He was workingat UH, he was detailing cars and
I was working with the elderly,and we, you know, on lunch

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breaks and stuff. We call it, we shoot the shit about hip hop
and making records and stuff. Andthis was probably ninety six ninety seven.
UH. We put out a godcomplex EP and somehow they got that record
him and Stoop and they hit theeight hundred number on there the way Prince
Paul did. But I mean Igave it to Prince Paul like a super
fan. And I had never heardof Vinnie and Stupe. And then Vinnie

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reached out and he became one ofmy best friends and one of the most
talented guys that I've worked with ever. We just decided he you know,
he was working on the Crop Circlethesis record in that first LP and he
dropped the Army the Pharaohs in oneof the verses, and then that became

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the name of the super group reallyand trying to remember on the fly,
we wound up cutting that seven ohone cut an Army of the Pharaohs on
war Ensemble and which was on thefirst twelve inch, and then it just

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had legs from there. But thatoriginal incarnation was uh Vinny Me Virtuoso,
Chief Camachi, the Bahamaedia. Ithink those are the original members. Seven
Alan Stoop on the production, uhseven old cuts Stoop in the production.
And then we expanded after that twelveinch. You know that that twelve inch

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kind of found its way onto Violentby Design, which was obviously a seminal
record for JMT, big breakthrough record, a classic. And then I was
trying to make an AOTP record.And then outer Space joined the crew,
and you could say like Vinnie broughtin outer Space and I brought in self

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and app in a way, youknow what I mean. I reached out
to them. He reached out tothem, and the crew just grew,
you know what I mean, Andeveryone in the crew had, you know,
dope styles, unique voices compared comparatively, and then we went on a
run. Yeah, and the doorjust kept opening and we kept putting other
mcs on. Now, before Ieven asked you another hip hop question while

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you were telling us that breakdown,which is pretty informative, I'm thinking when
you said you work with the elderly, care to define what you did with
the elderly? Were you serving themfood like apple sauce and a spoon?
Was it like therapeutic you're working,you know, break it down? What
did you do, because I thinkit's pretty interesting to always go back to
the beginnings before someone like yourself.Yeah, I was working with the elderly,

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uh in a dementia in Alzheimer's unit, and I would run programs for
elderly folks who were, you know, suffering from Alzheimer's and dementia. And
I would take them on field tripsand I would do a little bit of
everything with them. But you know, word games, Jeopardy, you know,

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like a makeshift jeopardy. Hip hopnamed that too. Yeah. No,
but I did play like the bridgesover on the piano. You got
to see what the worlds collide andcall? Yeah, did you have this
one? Patient who you would justlike bounce your lyrics off of and they

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would just be non responsive all thetime. But you just tell that they
liked it or not so much.But I do. I do remember I
wrote my part would the alert whilewe're looking there. And also a fun
fact is mister Dibbs. You guysknow mister Dibbs. They call me Miss
Stebbs. He put out a recordthen sampling off my voicemail because I used

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to have one of the ladies domy outgoing messages and she would leave funny
outgoing messages and he would call myvoicemail and sample the audio of her.
So he's like on one of hisfirst records, he's like scratched. He's
like juggling the be alert beat andsampling her voice, and it was just
it was a really hilarious moment intime to hear her voice on Vinyl Via

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DIBs. You know, that's avery mister Dibbs thing. For sure.
If you sat down in front ofa piano today, would you still be
able to play the bridges over Yeah? Yeah, absolutely, there's a piano
over there. My son he playsthe guitar and he plays the piano.
A little bit and he's playing thingslike all Caps in New York State of

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Mind and Scream, and he's learningthese things and I hear him playing these
songs and it just it hits mehard because you know, those records mean
so much to all of us.Yeah, and he's teaching me how to
play New York State of Mind onthe piano, and he's just playing it.

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You know, it's just every timeI hear you know, you hear
the record, the original record,and you know it brings back so much,
But when you hear your son playingit, it just brings another dimension
to it because you know, Idon't know, I never really talk about
a lot of the hip hop stuffwith him through his upbringing. But now
he's getting more and more into itas time passes and he's learning. You

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know, he can play more instrumentsthan I can. I you know,
I can barely you know, justget through the bridges over. You know,
it sounds like what teenager? He'sfifteen? Okay, So does he
like hip hop or do you stayout of it completely? Does he know
about your all your songs and everything? Yeah, he knows, he knows
about our songs. But for along time I just had him. I

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can't really control it now, butthroughout the years I just stuck to when
he was in the car. Itstick to instrumentals. It's things that I
knew were clean out because I didn'tcare about so much about f bond,
you know, saying fucking shit,but records that had like the N word
in it and things like that Ididn't want in his lexicon. I didn't

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want that. I didn't want thatnormalized, you know what I mean.
And now it's just, uh,you know, the horses out of the
barn with that, and he's listeningto what he wants, and he's listening
to a lot of classic rock,but he's also listening to m F.
Doom, and he's listening to Nasand revisiting NWA, and he has questions

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for me about did I ever meetmister Fantastic and things like that. So
it's it's uh, you know,crazy, Yeah, it's it's heavy,
really, you know what I mean, because he's got all these questions about
Wu Tang and you know, hesounds like he has good taste. These
kids today, like my son listensto like Yeat and Little Uzi Vert and
it's painful b LP and Foscher andsome of it's cool, don't get me

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wrong, but I'm dying. Itsucks. I'm dying from to listen to
like good hip hop like my wifeand not like Tribe in Dayline. He's
like this is corny, and I'mlike, oh, really, it's because
you're twelve, you don't you don'tappreciate shit, you little bit. Yeah,
it's cool that you can at leasthave you have that in common with
your son? Yeah, I think, you know, it's just he seems

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to reject all that, you knowwhat I mean, like all of that
stuff. He seems to really beuh vocal about hating, you know.
He calls it mumble rap and thingslike that, and I never even used
that phrase, but he picks thatup from his friends. And he's like,

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all this stuff is terrible. AndI was taking him and his buddies
to six Flags around Halloween. Theyhave like a fright you know, Halloween
theme six Flags thing, and Iwas driving them to the park and I
gave him control of the Spotify andhe just starts playing Survival of the Fittest
Mob Deep and I was like,damn, where is this kid? You

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know you passed that torch. Well, man, yeah, it's not it's
it definitely can't. It didn't comefrom me, like influencing him one way
or the other. Of course,he's surrounded by it all the time because
it's my job. So I'm alwaysrecording or working on something to do with
our face. So I mean hesees that. But it wasn't like he
was like eight or nine and Iwas like, you know, forcing Dayla

(30:52):
on him or or it was likeit was like Marty Barrett to no more
Garcia para. That's that's just Idon't know how to feel that one.
Uh, that's something like that.Yeah, So he asked you about Wu
Tang, so so he knows uncleDek right, Yeah, yeah, so

(31:15):
so does he asked him all kindsof questions all the time too. Oh
no, No, he doesn't seehim that often. He doesn't see him
that often. It's you know,when uh, when I'm with Deck usually
it's like in the lab, youknow what I mean, recording and there's
a lot of unsavory thing's happening andnot unsaving, but just like a lot
of weed and shit like that.So it's I don't want him around that

(31:36):
stuff. But he is h Yeah, he's you know, he'll wear a
Wu Tang hoodie to school or youknow, a Doom hoodie to school.
Is our face withde to school.You know, it's you know, people
ask him about it and I don'tknow. It's I try to I try
not to ask too much. Buthe said that the other day. He
said I was a cool dad.So I was like, all right,

(31:57):
cool, it won't last long,joy brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I know We've been able to keepit. It's been going well.
You know, I we have agreat relationship. So you brought up Deck
ninety nine was when speaking real wordsdropped. That was the first time that
we heard you guys with Deck.How did you guys form my gizar Feast,

(32:21):
because you know, initially you putout that album as and he was
a guest on that album. Butthen years later you guys formed this supergroup
and you know, it's it's beencrazy ever since. But was it something
where you just kept in touch withhim or how did that even come about?
Yeah? Initially, yeah, Ithink me and seven L we were

(32:45):
working on music. We weren't tooinspired with what we were doing, but
we were still doing it. Justkind of flexing the muscle memory and making
records. And then seven L hadthe idea of, uh, why don't
we do a group with Deck?And I thought he was insane and I
never thought Deck would want to doit, just make a full album with

(33:05):
us. And I reached out toDeck and I was like, yeah,
we we're thinking about making a fullLP together. Uh me and you rhyming
with seven A on the Pizza orwhatever, because because we've done stuff with
Deck in the past is you know, speaking real words, and there's a
few other joints. We did TwelfthChamber on our the last seven on the
Poteric album with like twenty ten,and so we always had a good relationship.

(33:30):
But making a full LP with somethingvery far fetchionate, Ah, that's
your highness, full tag seven L. Let's so let's go brusting. Ain't
nothing to us. A smig ganglike a s fortscast. A cousin is
crushed. You're loving the rush,best mood Animal House, but of the

(33:50):
intro to back and watching Guarcy ram. This is a demo minutes with the
men no sweetness diabetic, the saidrap steps in the mouth like callis centic
senate the war, like no anesthetics, thus no metals for yeah, but
seven El seemed to think it waspossible and thought like, you know,
Deck might be down, So Ireached out, and it turns out he
was down to do it. Andonce once he was down to do it,

(34:15):
we started sending them beats and thenI quickly realized that, wow,
we gotta call this this project something. And we started kicking around ideas and
names and Deck throughout the name thebomb texts and like bomb technicians but just
bomb text And I was like,hey, that's pretty dope. You know.
It's kind of you know, kindof really like maybe two hip hoppies

(34:39):
in a way, which which wouldhave been cool, you know what I
mean, But I felt like weneeded something just a little bit more to
put us over the edge. AndI came up with the names our Face,
and and I was I hit Deckwith a bunch of suggestions. Our
Face was, you know, Isnuck that in there out of like the

(35:00):
eight name ideas, and I waslike, I wonder if he's gonna like
czar Face or hate czar Face,or have some type of we want to
stay away from zarface because ghost face, you know what, if ghost Face
has a problem with that. Youknow, these are the things that going
through my head. And he actuallyloved the name, and then we came
up with the character, and thenwe came up with the comic books and

(35:22):
the action figures and sneakers and shitlike that. So it grew from just
this idea of making just a straightup hip hop record me seven L and
Deck without a name, and thenwe kind of came up with okay,
zar Face, and I think aboutthree songs in we started to realize it

(35:44):
as zar Face. So there's probablya few songs on that first album that
you know, we don't mention anythingabout zar Face because we didn't have a
name yet. And then it justgrew into what it became. You know.
Well, now you're ten years strong, right and you started out in
two thousand thirteen. That's ten yearsmath. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We actually started that first Star Phraserecord in twenty eleven, so but it

(36:07):
didn't I know, it didn't comeout to twenty thirteen. But the way
I look at it is in thatthat timeframe, it's insane. You know.
I was I was on the doingThompson Gurr's podcast, and I was
telling him that. What's crazy tome is that Deck has more versus on
Zar Face albums than he has onWu Tang albums. True, And I'm

(36:28):
just guessing just by mathematically, likeI don't really know, but definitely more
than you got, babe. Yeah. Yeah, But it's been a real,
a real blessing, you know.And he was when we were first
talking in that time frame twenty eleventwenty twelve, he was like throwing out

(36:51):
the idea of retiring and shit,and I was like, come on,
man, And obviously Wu Tank's forever, so I don't think you really meant
that, but it's our faces.Uh. They gave us both some second
life. Now that you're kind ofreinspired through that group, there still has
to be some times though. Man, as we get older, it's fucking

(37:13):
hard to stay inspired and creative,and like, fuck, I don't really
you got to be in the mood, don't you. Uh, you could
be in the mood, but Ifeel like you have to have some screws
loose to keep doing it the waythat we've been doing it this long.
You know what I mean that Ikeep thinking about why I'm still doing it,
But I mean we've found success.You know lately and uh, but

(37:38):
it's one of those things like whensomebody retires from a job, they need
to find something to do. Likeif a you know, a construction worker
or somebody retires, he's going togo around doing odd jobs. I feel
like I'm always going to be uh, wanting to ryme, wanting to put
words together. It's just something Ilike doing. Whether you know I'm welcome

(37:59):
or not. It's something I can'treally turn off, you know what I
mean. And really having the czarFace character was partly inspired by my son
at that age. He was aboutfour, so I really wanted something that
I could be in his life allthe time and keep his attention too,
So we kind of well, inmy mind, I was giving him his

(38:21):
own personal like superhero in this Sarfacecharacter at that time when he was four
or five, and then it justkept going so with him being part of
it and him being sampled on somany of the records every album, his
voice is on there somewhere. Thatmakes it more fun to create. And
it's not always just about like theverse, it's for me, it's about

(38:43):
dressing up everything, you know,in between the bars and the hooks and
little sound bites and those are thethings that I love adding into the mix,
you know what I mean before wego back to Boston, because you
know, there's a lot of thingson ass. I do want to say
one congrat because you guys just signedto Virgin Records. I kind of like
the way you announced it too.You were like, I don't hear from

(39:04):
you guys when you guys get araise, so you know, you kept
it under wraps that I thought itwas. It was. It was pretty
funny, and I don't know,you know what the overall response was to
that, but I thought it waspretty humorous. But congres Yeah, I'm
paraphrasing if you if you go tohis like ig. I think when you
announced it officially it was it was. It was pretty cool how you did

(39:25):
that. So how long was thatin the making, you going back and
forth with Virgin and Richard Branson givingyou an island or something like that.
No, it's probably about eight months. It had been done months before I
announced it, but we were gettingclose to the release date. Released in
the first single, you can havea preconceived notion of what it's like to

(39:49):
be on a major label, SoI knew that when I started telling people
close to me, close friends orartists, they might say, oh,
okay, so and people did saylike, oh, so you're going to
move now you're going to move toHollywood, and just things like that just
I would never consider in a millionyears, but people suddenly think, now
you're going to be on private jets. And so I try to keep this,

(40:14):
keep it to ourselves for as longas I could, because I wanted
to. I didn't want to haveto dispel those notions so soon. The
new contracts compared to the contracts youguys did way back when. I mean,
it's got to be somewhat of adream. I mean for someone of
the Old Guard to get this deal, you know, it's it's it's it's
pretty sweet. Oh yeah, no, definitely, yeah no, we're certainly

(40:36):
of the Old Guard. And that'syou know, one of those things that
I think is very rare. Ithink a lot of it we can attribute
to the character Czar Face in theworld that kind of exists outside of the
music, with the comic books andthe action figures, and that's a that's

(40:57):
a an image that people can lookat and they don't have to look at
my ugly face or you know,so we're not maybe perceived as old.
We kind of you know, wehave younger fans definitely. But I think
also with with the with Doom beinggone, there's kind of that folklore behind

(41:19):
you know, an image, youknow, be it his mask, be
it the Czar face face. Youknow, it's it's something that they almost
think that you know, there's there'slegs in the catalogs. It's like Eddie
from Iron Maiden. Well yeah,yeah, Eddie was the original, like
the thing that I would reference topeople when I was trying to explain the
character's role in the group. Youknow what I mean. I didn't want

(41:40):
to say he's like a mascot.I just kind of wound up saying,
you know, he's like Eddie fromIron Maiden. And that's you know,
when you see Iron Maiden covers,you see any Iron Maiden iconography, t
shirts, whatever, you see Eddie, you know what I mean. That's
kind of how it is Withzar Face. I couldn't you know, identify any
of the guys in Our Maiden ifyou put him right in front of me.

(42:00):
But I know what Eddie looks like. You know what I'm saying,
And I know, Deck's shadow loomspretty heavily because of the Wu Tang status
and legendary status. Is one ofthe greatest rappers ever. But our Face
has become its own thing, andwe haven't. We've never with our face,
We've never aligned ourselves with the wWe never used that logo in any

(42:23):
of our albums. We didn't tryto. We didn't. Of course,
we had some Wu Tang features onthere, but we were pretty driven to
make zar Face its own thing,you know what I mean. And Deck
wanted to do that, and meand seven I want to do that too,
And I hate to keep going backto the nineties, but like this
is to me a very pivotal momentfor not just hip hop, not just

(42:45):
for Boston. But I think manyof our listeners really this is a time
where the music resonated, they gravitatedtowards this particular sound. When when you're
doing your thing in the late nineties, the guys we had mentioned earlier,
what were, like, I guessto you, some pretty important moments in

(43:07):
Boston hip hop at that time,like particular albums, was it the Middle
East? Like what were the thingsthat you felt like really pushed that needle
and helped bring up a spotlight,if you will, on the Boston scene.
I think w E R S eighteight point nine just Emerson Radio.

(43:30):
They gave us all a very bigplatform and we were all hearing ourselves on
the radio. It was college radio, but it was a big radio station
and that definitely put a battery andall of our backs to be doper and
you know, we go on thestation and freestyle. Before that, it
was Wild and Street bet mit Lecho'sLemma. There were a lot of radio

(43:52):
shows prior to that, but thatwas before we were making records. That's
when we were still you know,fans and primarily fans, and I think
the Middle East huge venue for allof us. The Western Front was another
venue that all of us would performat. Anybody you can really name in

(44:12):
the Boston Cambridge scene would you know, have to go through their battle people
and perform their records, whether itwas in front of ten people, five
people, or you know, twohundred people. And if you got a
crowd of two hundred people, Imean you were walking on water. It
was like the greatest thing to seethat these kids would come out and they'd
come from the local colleges, tosee us perform, and we had our

(44:35):
own scene, and of course wewere known as the backpackers and shit,
but at that time it was somethinglike a lot of us took pride in
because we thought we were more lyricaland we were rejecting the shiny suit era
stuff which was popular at the time, and we thought we kind of had
a mission to you know, savehip hop at that point. You know,
God, I love that time.Yeah, the best shot shots,

(44:59):
the popping the Brick Records was youknow, up there with you know,
you could say Eastern Conference and forme at the time, Ruckus and def
Chucks and all those pretty important labelsto come out of that indie boom,
and Brick was a home for manymany people, many great records. Yeah,

(45:20):
I wanted to mention that when I'msaying wers Papadias, who comes to
mind, because he was one ofthe first guys on eighty eight nine that
was playing our records. So hewas the guy not only with Brick,
he was playing the records on eightyeight nine too, So that was kind
of a double edged sword and itwas very fortunate for him and his dedication.

(45:40):
And I've known him since I don'tknow. Ninety two ninety three,
we were going to We were bothcollege radio DJs, so we would be
going to music conferences and bumping intoeach other, and it was kind of
one of those things like wait tosay, we're the only two white guys
in the room here, what's yourstory? You know? And we'd connect
on hip hop and this is oneof the only kids of new hip hop

(46:00):
as well as I did. Ithought like and could could talk about any
record from any any era. Notthat there were that many eras out that
had passed by then. It waship hop was only a couple decades old,
but he knew his ship then anddefinitely carried the torch for Brick Records
along with Truz and Karma. LandSpeed was another one. I know people

(46:22):
have mixed feelings about Bob, butland Speed was a monumental company that provided
distribution really for so many I'm reallymajority of the indie records pretty much came
out of land Speed, you know, Yeah, and that was that was
big for the Boston hip hop sceneat the time. Detonator, the Commonwealth,

(46:45):
there's a lot of labels out there, and so it was a special
time. And I know we keepgoing back to it, but I really
do believe that it is. It'sa pivotal moment in Boston music. I'm
happy that you feel that way,and I know there was a lot of
people that do feel that way.And I feel like for me, I
was just in it, so sodeep in it and fighting to try to

(47:08):
make my own mark and and makeship that I felt was really dope.
And some things I look back on, I'm like, damn, that could
have been better. So it wasa big moment for all of us at
that time, those that ninety seeds. Without land Speed, a lot of
us wouldn't be on Wax to beginwith. You know, Joe Mansfield huge
part of that, who produced atOG's first album and I got to have

(47:32):
it and everything. So Joe,Joe was a major major mentor for us.
He took us under his wing.He you know, the Vinyl Reanimators.
He produced a lot of Sole Purposewith seven L and Shaun ce So
and uh, you know it's goneon to form Traffic and get on down.
So yeah, these a big,big, big part of Boston hip

(47:55):
hop after like the bedroom producers thatwere spawned out of the Indian era.
I mean, was there a timebefore that were you going to traditional Boston
recording studios and if so, likewhich ones were the ones that you guys
were gravitating towards. We recorded atWaltz Audio. Tom Waltz was the engineer
and that's where Top Choice Click recordeda lot of stuff, A lot of

(48:19):
groups recorded there. So that wasa traditional studio where we go and pay
for studio time. Did you dothe traditional like take the last shift so
you can pay less or no?We bought. What we do is pay
for reels, so like you payfor time on a two inch reel,
you know. So it was like, I don't know, fifty bucks an
hour and you'd get like this muchtime, you know, ten minutes to

(48:43):
record ten minutes of recording space ona reel to reel that was probably ninety
four to I guess ninety six.And then we'd record on aight Ads at
Popad's. Butz is one of thefirst places we've recorded, and that was
on an eight app machine, sothat made things a little bit simpler.

(49:05):
But there was player recordings, Therewas Bristol Studios, and there was Walt's
Audio Tom walt So those are theplaces that we recorded that were traditional spots
that like, oh, these guysmust record you know, heavy metal of
some shit, and we're coming inwrapping and you know, the engineers would
have long hair and shit like that. So if that's what you mean,

(49:28):
yeah, it's exactly what I meant, because there was always a disconnect.
You know, the engineer was likewhat the fuck. You know, it's
not until this Bob Power low endtheory, you know, consideration where people
kind of mixed worlds. But youknow, it was always strange to go
into those traditional studios. I feellike it was always like that. The
engineers, you know, they're justsound engineers that no sound and no matter

(49:51):
what that sound is, they're experts. Yeah, yeah, you're probably right,
and I think there's it's different,you know what I mean. If
I go into a studio today,you know, people they've some of the
engineers have never even recorded rock oranything like that. You just record hip
hop shit. It's just like,you know, it's pretty funny too,
if you ever watch any of thoselike hip hop documentary movies that have been

(50:13):
coming out lately, like the nwA movie, like The Fucking Spiggy and
two, there's always that fucking random, long haired white guy engineer that we're
talking about, like plays a rolein the movie and he doesn't say anything.
He's just there, like not inhis fucking head. And yeah,
it's a fucking engineer guy. Andthey always had like the white guy inserts
when they're like talking behind the board. Yeah, yeah, that's funny,

(50:38):
funny. They have those on acouple of Trip songs even, Yeah,
yeah they do. And and Ifeel like over the years, engineers got
more hip, you know what Imean. But I guess we were probably
as you had mentioned, we wereprobably doing more stuff just on our own
in the bedroom quote unquote bedroom,but like basements and shit like that.

(51:01):
Recorded with Joe Mansfield recorded me alot, and we did a lot of
that stuff, like soul purpose inspeaking real words, uh, the ep
in his in his basement, wedid speaking real words with Deck the actual
song speaking Reil words in Brooklyn,and that was in an apartment too.

(51:22):
So you spoke about Vinyl reanimators.I mean, most people know their remixes
here and there, but broadly talkabout them a little bit because I thought
they were pretty important too. Youknow, how you were introduced to them
and how they started doing these kindof really great remixes for a lot of
the you know classic hip hop.Yeah. Well the Vinyl re Animators was

(51:45):
DJ Shame, Joe Mansfield, andShawn Sea, and I got close closer
with Joe and Sean first because theyI really forget man. But it was
probably mid nineties. It was rightaround the God Complex record dropping, probably
ninety six, and I think weactually we met at w ZBC, which

(52:07):
was Boston College Radio and my manMatt Souell had a radio show there and
he had them on his guests,and we knew some of their their remixes
and Ship, and we knew thatJoe had done beats for ed Og and
they were working with this cat Olthe head toucher from Worcester, and uh,

(52:27):
yeah, we met and they wantedto work with us, and seven
L was my producer and DJ alwaysBut they made a lot of beats too,
and they had some hot records out. They were remixing, you know,
nas g rap records and beat Nutsrecords and Ship and they put out
bout legs and seven L and Iwere like, oh, these are crazy,
these beats of dope. So theyI think seven L learned a lot

(52:50):
from them in terms of where todig for records, the difference between you
know and actually really rare record.I don't know. I think they he
just they were mentors for him interms of digging, you know what I
mean. Shame too, DJ Shame. He is traveling through sample land mixtape

(53:12):
with he had all the original recordsthat all these guys that we grew up
listening to were sampling. And youknow, through the years, you start
to pick those things up in yourown if you really into collecting and digging
and library records and so forth.But when seven L connected with Joe and
Sean, I think that took thevinyl fanaticism to a new level. And

(53:36):
I was into it too, butI was definitely more into the finished product,
like all right, let's let's makesome of these things into some beats
so I can run. And theywere, you know, really into the
actual groove of everything, which isdope, and I was too, but
just not to their degree. Didyou have a spot where you hustled the
music, because everyone had a spot, Like in New York you'd sit outside

(54:00):
fat Beats and like you know,poison Pen and pack Evam come up to
you and hustle hustle their ship.You know, you want to buy some
tooth prescious, man, there's somereal fly personal hygiene equipment. I got
to here, man, and Igot a hell of a hand rialver.
You do check it out for youagain, take us because not many people
are from Boston would maybe know likeNewberry Comics or whatever. But like,

(54:22):
are you outside Faniel Hall with likeyour mixtape trying to like get people to,
you know, to hear your ship? Definitely? No. Never.
I think the most we did interms of pushing it on people that didn't
want it was performing, going outand opening for Dot's Effects and the Lost

(54:45):
Boys and the crowds that really didn'twant to see us and they throw shit
at us, and yeah, noreal, And that's but we thought that
we were doing. We thought wewere doper than the Lost Boys, and
we were making records that we wantedto make. I didn't think we were
dope with the Dots Effects. Ijust loved us, and Lost Boys are

(55:07):
dope too. But I'm just sayinglike at the time, we would get
out in front of these crowds thatwere there to see the headliner and they
didn't want to see us and theylet us know. So I feel like
that was paying dues and earning stripes. But it was also a different way

(55:29):
to do it than standing in frontof a record store saying, yo,
you like hip hop? That inmy mind I would, I just I
didn't have the I would never dothat. I would look at that.
There was something something back and somethinginside me. I just couldn't. I
couldn't do that. But I couldget on stage and perform in front of
a bunch of people looking at melike this and just do what I could,

(55:52):
you know, do my best anddodge the fucking dimes people were throwing
at me and stuff. But Icouldn't stand in front of fat beats and
be like, yo, check outmy ship. It just I don't know.
It wasn't wasn't in my nature.So are you saying Spig Nice wasn't
Adope lyricist? No, No,I'm judging. I'm joking, yeah,

(56:17):
yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I'm not saying that. I was
just like, I don't know,I don't know what I was saying.
You guys are doper than the LostPlace. Yeah, you're doper than a
lot of people that were big thenit's just you know, the circumstance of
the moment. Yeah, yeah,absolutely. I mean people were there to
hear the beamers in the bends thatjoint, you know, and we were

(56:39):
out there rapping about electromagnetic energy andship and you were like, fucking these
get these guys off the stage.Did you ever remember a show where you
want a crowd over that was notexpecting it? Yeah? Yeah, plenty
of those, Yeah, because we'vedone We've done so many shows, I
mean big scale shows and shows thatwe didn't go into all girls, all

(57:02):
girls colleges and like not knowing whatto expect, you know what I mean,
Like, you know, we've openedfor Kanye and Busta and Fifties,
like all these different like huge,huge acts and we went out there and
rocked it and people made noise.But I thought for sure, going by,

(57:24):
you know, learning from that LostBoys show that you know this,
these crowds can be kind of harsh, and we've won crowds over. There
was one time we performed in Toronto. This is one of my uh not
one of my fondest memories, buta memory I won't forget. We were
opening for Pharaoh Mutch. He alsorapped about like electromagnetic fields and shit like

(57:51):
that. So you got that incommon. Yeah, right, right.
He's a great guy. But uh, you know, we went on right
before him in Toronto and I wasperforming and the crowd was chanting, uh,
Pharaohs. But I was like,all right, so they know,

(58:12):
Army of the Pharaohs. And Iwas that was in my head through a
lot of it. And you know, halfway through the set, I'm like,
they're not chanting Army of the Pharaohs, they're chanting Pharaoh. Munch after
they want Pharaoh, they want meoff the stage. And it was one
of the worst times, like theworst I've ever felt, probably getting off

(58:34):
stage. And I went backstage andPharaoh was sitting there and I didn't know
him yet. I was just,you know, I was just the opener
to him at that time, youknow. And and I think he just
did one of these like, youknow, gave me dap or something.
And I don't think he realized thefucking bloodshed that was happening beforehand people,

(58:55):
but it was the Army of thePharaohs that it just tricked. It was
a mind trick. I was like, oh, okay, these guys know
our shit, but they were askingmuch speaking of Pharaoh another fellow nerd collector
like myself and you, I believeyou're very much into the comic books.
You have a lot of cool friendsMcFarlane and whatnot. Let me ask you

(59:17):
this before I even go to McFarlane. Star Wars, you wrapped a lot
about it. It always for mestood out because I'm a huge Star Wars
guy. Empire Strikes Backs without adoubt, is the greatest film in the
Star Wars franchise? Not necessarily no, no, no, no, what

(59:37):
is because we can end the conversation, now, what is the greatest Star
Wars film in the franchise? It'snot in them. I mean it can
be, yeah, but it's it'sit's you know, I kind of go
through acts now, like when I'marguing about this, and I think the
opening act, first actor, Returnof the Jedi is one of the best

(59:58):
sequences of all time. We havethe powerful friends. You're gonna regret this
wrong, not my daughter, Yeah, okay, the Jaba right when play

(01:00:21):
is kidnapped and ship yeah yeah,yep. And Luke comes Luke uh comes
with the Jedi man track. Lukecomes in in a he uh R two
shoots the saber off, the salebarge off the fan skift, Luke catches
it, the orchestra hits Boba,Fect goes out Chewbaca. It's like it's
the greatest. I mean, Ican tell you the greatest things in Empire

(01:00:45):
and a New Hope too, butthat holds a real special place for me.
I would not say ten times outof ten it's the best movie out
of the three. It had thestrongest opening, had the strongest opening.
Yeah, but I loved opening touh to Empire to Man, it's just
a lot more bleak. I thinkhe wanted to sample the background music at
during the job of the hut scene. Thank you were the Cantina band.

(01:01:07):
If you have any requests, shoutthem out. Play that same song,
all right, same song, herewe go. There's a lot of a
lot of ship I've slid in throughoutthe years from you know, but like
the e Woks and the way Bobowas taken out, he said the opening

(01:01:28):
scene, Man, shout out toSalacious Crumb. I'm just saying, and
I know you're a big fan ofof of the mosicley Cantina band. What's
the band called Notes guys, Mydick just got shorter. I mean,
ship sit this one out right.This is the modal notes here. Yeah

(01:01:52):
yeah, yeah, that's them figuring. I love these guys, but but
that's from that's from the first StarWars. If you're if you're thinking of
sise noodles and Max Reebo. Yeah, Drew by McCool that's from Jedi.
Yeah, the original the original tropywas the elephant looking Max Rebo was an

(01:02:13):
elephant looking dude right the blue Yeah, yeah, Aaron, Let's go to
the bar and pick up some girls. Let's get out of here. Hey,
I do remember having the original actionfigures in like nineteen seventy eight when
I was five. A right,I'll go alone. Sorry yeah, no,
me too. Oh and you knowjob is here. I could talk
about Star Wars all day, butI think the question now is not really

(01:02:36):
so much what's the best of thetrilogy. It's what the next movie is?
The next best movie? Wow?Look at that. Wow, that's
quite a quite a man cave youhave there. Now I'm showing you all
my Star Wars figures too. OhI didn't see them, you can show
me now? What are those arethose sneakers? Or something on the wall.
There he has like a foot locker, a toys r us and a
baseball card store all in one fuckingroom. Oh wow, his poor wife.

(01:03:01):
I hope you have a good insurancepolicy on that room. Good,
I'm good, I'm good. Good. I'm just this huge Star Wars nerd.
So I you know, it's notvery rare. I mean, you
know, it's rare that I getto geek out with someone who has an
appreciation for Star Wars. Although itseems like you watch a lot of the

(01:03:22):
of the movies, I don't acknowledgeanything past, you know, for Turn
of the Jedi. I think it'sblasphemy that they made movies after that.
But being that's that's another topic.But you didn't like Rogue One? I
did. No, that was Ihonestly that was probably the best I feel
that was made after very good sinceDisney bought them, Rogue One was was

(01:03:45):
the best. But you know,I'll tell you, man, I'm actually
I got like Star Wars burnout.I still haven't finished the latest Mandalorian season.
I still haven't started that that newone with the with the chick Rosario
Dawson's and right, yeah, yeah, put some respect on her names?
Uh is it? Oh? Oh? Ok? Yeah, ok, yeah,

(01:04:11):
yeah. That was a cool series. I mean they're all pretty cool
to me. Man. It's like, once you know you're you're getting into
that world. I mean, youcan just try to enjoy it for what
it is, or you can likereally pick it apart. And there's a
lot of things, a lot ofissues I have with a lot of them,
but like, I love the firstseason of The Mandalorian and the last
episode of the season two just Imean those are really really dope, dope

(01:04:33):
dope moments and time for me,the Bulbafet was a little bit of a
disappointment. But was that the oneit's been a while where where Luke came
back when he like was that wasthat? I think was that season two
episode of season two? Right?I thought Jason was a big Star Wars

(01:04:53):
fan. He doesn't know, hesaid he stopped after the third one.
No, no, in man,that would be the sixth one. Andre.
No, yeah, hey, listen, I'm fucking on the other side
of the world when you come tothis show. Andre, Andre's a trekky.
I know that I got the StarWars vinyl when it fucking came out
and I, you know, Ihave that under It was actually great.

(01:05:19):
Those were great. I love allthat. Look. I am a true
I am a true Star war there. It is the Star Wars tattoo.
That's going pretty far there, Jay. But I know I'm old. I'm
forgetful as ship. I don't rememberwhich Mandalorian season that that Luke returned,

(01:05:40):
but I thought it was probably.It gave me goosebumps. It was one
of those moments where I don't knowhow do I articulate this, but I
felt like a kid again when Ifell. Yeah, it was absolutely I
cried, you really, but Ididn't. I didn't ball. I just

(01:06:03):
welled up a little. I said, wow, I'm feeling something again for
this. And and I, Imean, my my son was at school.
It wasn't he was when, youknow, because I watched it before.
We we watched it for the firsttime together, but I usually watch
it first while he's at school,and then uh. And I was able
to watch it again that night withhim, like for the first time,

(01:06:26):
and he didn't know it was coming, and I was able to hold back,
and you know, because I'd alreadyseen it once, but the first
time seeing it. I was likewow because I never started coming man,
and it was like and the CGIwas good enough to make it. I
don't know, it worked for me. It was great when when the Force
the Force Awakening was the first onethat came out from Disney. Is that
the Okay when in the trailer whenyou see Han go chill you were home,

(01:06:50):
that was another moment that really hitme. Oh absolutely absolutely, that
was like, wow, it's reallyhappening. Yeah. Man, I mean
anything that comes out of Harris andFord's mouth it just gets me. But
that scene in particular, Yeah,that was a biggie. And I got
to see that with my dad andXavier and my son together. And that's

(01:07:11):
the only movie the three of usand my dad passed shortly after, but
that was the first the only moviethe three of us got to see together
was Forth Awakens. So regardless ofwhat critics say about it, it's always
holds a special place in my myheart just because we got to see it
together, you know, sure,wow, yeah, oh yeah, look
at this guy. Oh look atthat. I knew he was I knew

(01:07:32):
he was over there. I MeanI have a lot of fucking Star Wars
memorabilia but it's definitely on vinyl.Okay, So, but you don't like
the movies. I watched the firstyou know three and that you know,
I did what I had to dolined up on lind Up on the lines
when in the seventies when they cameout, and you know, those were
great. I just Andre grew upwith those black and white No, once

(01:07:54):
that Jarge Banks stuff came out,I felt like a robot shaped like butt
plugs. Now, once the jarJar Bank stuff came and I felt like
it just started being stupid, that'sall, Andre. How old are you?
Fifty two? Fifty two? Yeah? Wow, all right, you
look good for fifty two. Maybeyou have a filter on the zoom now

(01:08:15):
I try to. But yeah,Phantom Menace was was was bad. I
left were very very dejected, justdisappointed. And then the first that was
the first of the new wave,the New Ones, Yeah that was a
jar Yard. The pod Racers,Yeah, yeah, all the world,
those three that trilogy I hated,Right, what of those little gummy bear

(01:08:39):
guys? What were those guys called? Those little bears? I'm talking about?
You walked? He walked? Allright? It was like, yeah,
go back to watching Buck Rogers motherfuckeryou. That also wasn't a good
show. Wow, Quickie was thedroid that went with Buck Rogers. Right,

(01:09:00):
his name is but but Rewatching thoseprequels through my kid's eyes, who
liked them a lot, I developeda new appreciation for them because he dug
it. He was. He thoughtDarth Maul was badass, and you know
he was. He was, Yeah, he was, he was. He
was one of the bright spots inthat trilogy. But like I started getting
into it a little bit more,and you know, he's in the Clone

(01:09:21):
Wars and Rebels and all that shit. So I it's it's, you know,
you kind of get a second childhoodif when when he and you can
justify getting into it again when he'sinto it, you know. So Darth
nilis, I am Darth Niholis.Do you still have it home with your
mother? No? Do you?No? I don't are good? Good?

(01:09:43):
Do you feel gay for being sointo Star Wars? No? Do
you? I'm not into Star Wars. Oh that's too bad, man,
Not really. I wouldn't dress uplike that, DUDEH Well, too bad
is it? Let's pivot to someother movies ready. I'm going to rattle
off of you, and you tellme which is the best of them?
Ready, Okay, The Town thatDeparted, Goodwill Hunting, Mystic River,

(01:10:06):
The Fighter, and Gone Baby Gone. You can only pick one, Jeez,
I would say, I'd say theDeparted. I give me too,
because I feel like the Departed islike I would just answer that Godfather,
the one starring Ben Affleck. Ohwait, oh wait. These are all

(01:10:28):
Boston movies, right, yes,you said, And what were the other
ones? I mean, I feellike Goodwill Hunting isn't isn't as dastardly as
those other movies, you know whatI mean. It's like everything else is
so violent. The Town was agreat movie, your boy Slain. Uh,
Mystic River was great. I don't. I don't think a lot of
people remember that. That was likechampagn yeap and uh nuklea loosh. What

(01:10:49):
was the Tim Roberts, Tim Robbins, he was in that. The Fighter
was another great movie. Yeah,Yang, I like Mickey War, Baby
Gone and God Baby Gone. Yeah. So me and Slain actually we both
went out for Gone Baby Gone.He was. He was in that too,
and I was. I was aboutto propose to my girlfriend at the

(01:11:13):
time. My wife. Now right, the day, like two days after
the audition, so I was inthat headspace of you know, getting ready
to propose. And I'm not makingexcuses why I didn't get the role,
but Slain is obviously a better choice, but we both went out for it,
and he actually wound up getting gettingthat role from Ben Afflet. Ben

(01:11:34):
was there chose him, and that'show we got into The Town too.
Kurry, I get on the groundbefore I publy fucking teeth though, and
which he was fantastic, and heactually I was just talking to him recently
and we were kind of just shootingthe ship about the movies and stuff.
And authenticious is his line in theTown and that people quote, and it's

(01:11:55):
so nice that he has a linethat people can just go go back on
and recall and it's like almost youknow, you see a pop up in
memes and shit like that. Soit's dope. I love The Town as
a movie. We're trying to makethe ship sound fucking authenticious. You're gonta
all fucked up often what that mightbe that's up there with The Departed.
I think that was a great movie. All right, let's pivot to sports.

(01:12:17):
Kevin's Safe soon this is his whoopeecushion. I'm gonna give you a
few more names right all off theone I already probably know once. So
give me one A and one B. Wade Boggs, Ray Bork, Larry
Bird, Tom Brady, Petro Martinez, Jim Rice. I guess i'd go,
uh, Larry and then Brady.Yeah, I wonder to know one

(01:12:41):
now. I would think a lotof people would go Brady one A.
But Tom, I mean Larry Bird. You you had to kind of appreciate
and you are our age and Larryso much. It's an age thing,
but it's also a preferred sport thing. Hmm. Like Ray Bork wouldn't even
be honest, I'm just not ahot so it's like it would It would

(01:13:02):
be my favorite Celtic, next tomy favorite Patriot, next to my favorite
Red Sox, and then who's everon the Bruins? Did you watch the
Winning Time show on HBO about theuh part of it? Dude? The
guy who played Larry Bird fucking nailedit, fucking nailed it. He looked
just like him. How much youlook like him? Yeah? Yeah,

(01:13:24):
c G. I Before I getinto the last few questions, I do
want to stay in the nerd spacefor just one more one more question.
Uh, Mick Farlane and you areare really cool. He's he's one of
the most important figures in comic history, along with stan Lee and Dick Oh

(01:13:44):
and all those guys. What whatis your favorite cover that he has done.
I mean, obviously there's a plethora. You got the Mate and the
Spider Man series, Incredible Hulk Xfactor fifty. What's the one that like
immediately comes to mind. Yeah,it's fun. Well, Spider Man three
hundred, I think is probably myfavorite cover. Okay, you know is

(01:14:10):
it is it with is like himrunning across the cover? Is it's just
him? Right? It's Spider inthe black suit and the black Yeah.
No, I'm gonna I'm gonna usethis thing called Google. No, No,
he's look. Spider Man three hundredssounds like sounds like it sounds like

(01:14:30):
a sex toy. You see thatwall right there? Oh yeah, that
is a dope cover. Uh No, the Hulk cover with Wolverine I like
a lot. Is Wolverine on thecover and Hulk is like it's the gray

(01:14:51):
incredible Hulk, right, Yeah,but he's he's in the reflection of Adam.
Yep, ye Hulk three for andyeah, I've been talking to Todd
there you go. Yeah, that'sthat one's three oh one. So I
guess they flipped it on the nextone. Yeah, because the other one
at the black background. Yeah.So the Black Suit Spidey is you know,

(01:15:15):
near and dear to my heart hewas around. I'll here is this
guy was like a big part ofmy childhood. And you know, it
was eighty four when the Black Suitcame via Secret Wars and Spider Man two
fifty two, and then you know, he came became Venom obviously, and

(01:15:39):
Venom we wound up in the Venomtwo soundtrack thanks to Tom Hardy, and
uh, it was just the mostsurreal thing ever to be able to marry
two of my biggest passions, hiphop and comics and have it, you
know, on the big screen inthat sense, and have to come by

(01:16:00):
way of Venom, which you know, the symbio coming off of Spider Man
suit. I guess we can getreally nerdy if we have to, but
well, we lost all our listeners. But it's cool, you've been in
this nerd zone. I have toedit all this, so it's fucking hysterical.
Yeah yeah, and if you takeall this stuff out that I'm not
offended, I understand you. No, No, I like it. I

(01:16:21):
like it, you said Tom Hardy. Tom Hardy is actually like a hip
that that looks old. That's waybetter. That's older than Andre nineteen seventy
nine. Man, Yeah, Andreand stan Lee we're in the same graduate
graduating class. Well, I wouldargue that since he's fifty two, he

(01:16:42):
might have a better understanding of hiphop than you guys, But I don't
know. Uh yeah, Well,here's the thing, he has a better
understanding of the seventies and eighties andnineties is something where he dabbled in.
But again he got older. Womencame to earlier than me because you know,
I was like twelve when I lovedhip hop, so women weren't like

(01:17:04):
you know, it's different. Asyou go through a certain period in life,
you change, And the nineties iswhat really sparked it first for many.
Oh yeah, I meant ninety four, ninety For me, I guess
eighty seven and ninety four maybe ninetyfive for the greatest years of hip hop
as far as I'm concerned. Mysweet spot's like eighty seven and ninety two.

(01:17:27):
So out of that year that youlove, what's the number one record
that you would not want to leavehome without? I would say album,
because back then, albums were theshowcase. Yeah, if you give me
the year, maybe I can giveyou the record. No, I mean
I wouldn't want to do that.But you said eighty seven to ninety or
whatever. So is there one particularrecord that moved the needle in that respect?

(01:17:50):
Yeah? Legal Drug Money. Yeknew that was going to come back
to you. What is that thelast album or something? Yeah? I
would say that's funny. I wouldsay APM D Strictly Business is a huge

(01:18:13):
one for me. Good one.Uh, Public Enemy It Takes the Nation
is a huge So he's an eightyeight guy like us. Dray, Yeah,
now you're not an eighty Are youreally an eighty eight guy? Because
you're you're forty five like us?I don't know how old I really appreciate,
like in eighty eight, right,Jungle Brothers, straight off the Jungles,

(01:18:33):
Big one, it seems like it. Yeah, Oh, but a
but a minute, I could Ifeel just as passionate about records from ninety
two and ninety three. Ninety threewas huge. I mean I was really
getting into Souls in Mischief around ninetythree and Hieroglyphics ninety four. I always

(01:18:55):
upset a lot of people when Iand I don't know if I really feel
this way, but I think thatan argument to be made. Like I
I tell people that I liked theb Nuts albums. I guess it was
called street Level, but I justlooked at I looked at it as just
the b Nuts album after the EP, but I always looked at that as

(01:19:15):
better than Nomadic, and I lookedat uh, it's a fun album,
dude. It's like the funnest albumyou could ever. It's really really good,
Yeah, really good. It's akind of album you would play before
you're going out with as you're likepregaming with your buddies. We broke down
that album with Psycho less And andAltariq a few years ago, and I

(01:19:38):
wanted, I want to know whereyou fucked Channing at? Where was that
spot that That album is one ofmy favorite top ten album for me.
Yeah. But see, that's thething, like the top ten lists,
whether it's songs or albums, Ithink about no, well, I think
about those things and then there's ason that creeps up and I'm like,

(01:20:00):
oh shit, how could I leavethat off? Or an album like how
could I leave that off? Andit just it changes all the time,
but there was I might have cameup with three records ninety four that I
liked at least as much as Illmatic. I don't think they were technically better
than Illmatic, but you just rodeIllmatic, at least me personally. I
just rode it into the ground towhere it's tough to like. As I

(01:20:26):
said, like when my son wasplaying New York State of Mind, it
gave it all the new life tome. Well, just hearing him play
it, I was like, ohmy god, because just banging that album
for so long, it just becameI don't know whereas I could go back
to the be Nuts album, andI could go back to the Grave Digger's
album, and what was the otherone? I forget? I had three?
Was it hard to earn? Maybeorganized organized Confusion? Oh, Gangstar

(01:20:48):
hard during Okay? Yeah? Yeah, did organize Dropper record fo Yeah,
they did Extinction and Agenda was thatninety fourth too? Yeah? That's that's
I mean, they bring it onis one of the craziest and thirteen those
are some of the craziest records ofthat year, definitely, But I know

(01:21:10):
it's a sacrilege to put any ofthese over Illmatic, so I don't want
to make no mistake Like ill Maticwas like biblical to me. I mean,
I loved it, but I justloved it so much that I got
numb to it. I think,you know, and revisiting these days,
revisiting the beat Nuts record, isI get more of a rush out of
it? Yeah? Sure? Areyou a Lowen Theory guy or a Midnight

(01:21:32):
Marauders guy Midnight Matters? Yeah,I think we all mostly agree on that.
Yeah, I'm a balloon mind Stateguy. Uh, oddly we're all
kind of a balloon mind. That'sboth albums came out in ninety three.
Yeah. I like Day Laves Deadtoo, of course, but too many

(01:21:54):
damn Sulfings? Is that what yousaid? I didn't like the Skids,
so I love the songs, noSkid too much, But but the one
two punch I think of mind that, Marauders and uh, balloon My State
was just it just I don't know. It really was a good, good,
good era. Every everything was hittingon all cylinders. At that time,

(01:22:15):
it was perfection, perfection, butI always go back to it takes
a nation of millions as the numberone produced cohesive, lyrical. I mean,
it just it meant so much tome. But I'm an I'm that
kind of generation. I like,I like chaos. That's you know,
oh yeah, you know that's probablythat's probably my favorite album. Yeah,

(01:22:36):
of all time. Well that's strictlybusiness. It's neck and neck, but
it's it's tough to I don't know, it's tough to articulate why some of
it is rooted in nostalgia some ofus rooted and where you heard it something?
Because you try to explain the DNArecord too, somebody who's you just

(01:22:57):
love the videos? You love thevideo and the fucking ice facility. Yeah,
it's like crazy shit, you know. Yeah, there was a lot
of that video was dope. Idon't know, I love but there are
other records in eighty eight that weredope to like Critical Beatdown. I know
a lot of those records are fromlike eighty seven too, but that was

(01:23:18):
and I love a lot of theBDP shit and Caine Caine, Yep,
the Caine record. Can't record.I know, back back backwards and forwards,
the Biz album, Biz Market.I mean, that's what I'm talking
about. Like when you come upwith like your top ten albums, I
wouldn't think to put Going Off inthere. But when Biz passed, I
revisited it and I was I wasjust like, fun as, how good

(01:23:41):
is going Off? The song goingOff? Oh, it's great, It's
my favorite growing album. But that'swhat was special about the time because there
were limited releases. So yeah,waited, you have to be really good.
You hated for it, not justanybody could make an album. Man,
you had to be the best,not just seemed like making album.
But would you say you revisit moremusic from the nineties that you had said

(01:24:04):
this is his discussion all the time, when well, this to me is
the sticking point. I acknowledge eightyeight is probably the most important year in
hip hop. You know. Withoutthat year, I don't think we would
get that the second Golden Era,if you will. But do we really
listen to music from eighty eight asopposed to some of the albums you just

(01:24:25):
said, Soul's a misschif ninety threeto Infinity Balloon, Mind State Extinction Agenda
thirty six Chambers, Midnight Marauders.I feel most of us, even Andre,
if you're being honest, that's true. It's listen to music from the
nineties as opposed to the greatest yearin hip hop eighty eight. You know,
I don't necessarily agree with that.I think you hear those things out

(01:24:50):
more often because it's become background musiclike a trendy restaurant. Like you're in
a restaurant. You can hear thebeat nuts and it's like, Wow,
that's fucking dope. But then you'relike, it's just on a playlist and
it popped up randomly, and youcan't really give the person there any credit
because you're a Chipotle and you hearfar. I was just gonna say,
I heard I heard it running.I heard it running the last time I
was at Chipotle. Yeah, it'sit's uh. But those eight and eight

(01:25:16):
albums, you listen to the wholealbum, Whereas when I get my car,
I do want to put on MobDeep. I do want to hear
one thing that just gets me angrywhile I'm like, you know, pushing
on the gas. It's different.So broken language. I have to listen
to the Pe album from start tofinish. I don't want to just hear
Rebel without a pause and then likeskip around. It's got it's got a
movement to it. There's arcs.Yea, well, I think the I

(01:25:39):
think the Mob Deep album is prettythorough back back to that's true. It's
all. It's all depends on onthe move man. And even to speak
on that, like Dana Daine's album, when that came out, it was
eight songs, and I would saytwo of them were really dope, but
I learned to love all eight becauseit was just on a cassette. That

(01:26:00):
was the cassette that I had forthose two weeks, so I let it
play and I I'd fall in likeCinder Fellow, Dan to Day and Nightmares.
Those songs were dope, but therewere the songs that would just kind
of like this be the death beatwas dope too, but there was some
filler, but you got familiar withthe filler and you started to love,
like like I think, damn,I'm forgetting the name of the song on

(01:26:21):
Nation of Millions, but the onethat Madonna sample for Justify My Love.
Yeah, so it's just it's justthe break beat, just a break just
the beat, oh yeah, No, I know, it's just the beat,
but there was a title for yeahyeah, but it's like I forget
yeah right, But you're right,it's just it's just there, and I'm

(01:26:41):
not necessarily going back to that.But I remember having to wait for it
to go through because I'm listening towhat on a cassette and I'm waiting for
it to get to whatever joint isnext, you know, where chuck comes
in hard And but the fact thatMadonna sampled that, we were all like,
fuck yeah, that's what it's about, Like the fact that those hip
hop was crossing over on that levelbecause it shows that they listened the same

(01:27:03):
way Sinead O'Connor used to say,you know, you have to buy by
all means necessary. When she wasbeing interviewed, it was like, holy
shit, that's fucking some heavy shit. Mainstream is understanding what we've tried to
push for so many years. Andthen the worst thing ever happened. It
got fucking popular, and I'm like, fuck this, I'm in the wrong,

(01:27:23):
fucking you know type of music nowand now fucking fat guys are loving
this shit and and girls want tohear hey play Tupac and I'm like,
shut up, Yeah, yeah,be careful what you wish for. Yeah.
Well, it's strange because you knowa lot of my friends, well
a lot of my friends that peoplethat had become my friends by virtue of

(01:27:46):
being the parents of my son ordaughter's buddies, they all know Wu Tang
shit. But but like, Ican't say that there was hardcore into hip
hop as I was when Tang wasout, but they, you know,
it drew in a casual listener.Everybody loved Wu Tang and love the and
love the memorabilia, the shirts.You know, you see him, Yeah,

(01:28:09):
see year olds wearing it. You'relike, all right, yeah,
go to Target. I'm picking upwith those guys. Yeah. I can
talk Wu Tang with those guys allday, but I can't talk about God
for other down with them, orI can't talk about Sir Menelik or uh
super lovel seeing Cast, never Ruddor whoever. You know what I mean.

(01:28:30):
Oh yeah, what what super eight? Oh yeah, yeah exactly.
I was gonna mention that earlier Jamesall of them was James Girls that stupidly
that now that's one of those albumsthat, like Dana Dane album, there's
like a couple of pillers, acouple of filler joints. But they weren't

(01:28:51):
bad. They weren't bad. No, but but but like I'm back,
like I love I'm back, andthat might be considered filler, but I
grew to love it anyway. Thisis like guilty pleasure stuff, like my
guilty pleasure. You can't tell methere was one bad l ol scratch song
ever created. They're all the same, Jay, They're all the same.

(01:29:13):
No. I mean, look backin the day. I used to run
to Stacey at the mall and belike, Hey, did you hear that
new Sham Kill the Fetus album?I was My guilty pleasure was too hype.
Oh do it to the crowd.I'm talking to Kidn't Play Op,

(01:29:33):
which had filler. Well, thefirst track was fantastic. It was that
was a Bee Boy three or fourabsolute banger. Come on, Baby Way
My Way was great, getting funky, getting the cuts and everything. Rollold
Can't Play. They had three orfour bangers on there, and they had

(01:29:54):
a bunch of filler like soul Man. You know, some of that ship
was weak, but again, aproducer driven you know what I mean,
It's it's you know, Herbie andand and just real a lot like Dana
Dane like he was describing yeah,yeah, and they got Yeah, they
had some corny joints. But butI love I feel like back then it
was okay to be corny. Yeah, I guess, so I guess,

(01:30:16):
you know, I mean, butnow it's okay to be corny too.
Now. I was explaining this touh somebody at some point that there's a
it's well, it's not okay withus, I guess, but it's there's
a spot for anyone that wants todo anything as far as hip hop goes.
These days, there's a fan basefor any type of rap, but
the worst rap you could ever imagine. There are people that love it.

(01:30:41):
Yeah, you know what I mean, even like like the country rappers.
Man, it's like that stuff makesme want to vomit, and and for
many reasons. But there are peoplethat just love it, and they can't
even seem to separate that from youknow, the stuff that we hold so
dearly, you know what I mean. They don't see a difference. They
just a guy rapping. Hip hopbecame disco. I mean, we went

(01:31:03):
into hip hop to kind of goagainst disco. That was. That was
the motto back then of the lateseventies. But hip hop became the popular
disco shit, you know, theyou know, cocaine driven, ego driven.
I mean, we got it tothat point and now it's just like
foolish, let's gimmick the whole thing. So, like you talked about the

(01:31:24):
crossover of the country shit, Believeme, half of the country industry was
people who never made it in thealternative music scene, the hip hop scene.
So they've been chopping at the bitto cross it over because they know
the fan base buys music what wewhite man? Yeah, you know me,
man, You know, I've alwaysfelt like I was a black man

(01:31:45):
disguised in this body since I wasa kid. No, thank you,
I take it back. Well,you said it all. You heard it
here. First, check out theCzar Face and Mister Cheeks collabo coming out
only twenty twenty four. Return ofthe Jedie. Return of the Jedi is

(01:32:10):
the greatest film out of the StarWars franchise and street level. The Beating
Nuts is better than all Madden signedby the show Big Coach. No,
seriously, I appreciate it, man, I truly do. I mean,
like I said, you are someoneYou're very relatable because besides being the same
age, we have a very similarinterest. I think that goes for a

(01:32:33):
lot of the listeners on the show. And you know, I can't fault
you for for hating the Lost Boys, but I think you should give them
a second listen or a third listen, because they're not as bad as you
think that's gonna be. I neversaid I hated the Lost Boys. This
is the headline, bro, thisis where it's going. All the media
outlets, all media outlets is goingto pick I have a negative association,

(01:32:56):
a negative association because we got booedoff. Coins, coins fucking hurt when
they get thrown at you. Yeah, they do least won the cell phone.
I had the plenty of ship thrownat me at sporting events. I
know. Well, I got hitwith a firework performing at the Gathering of
the Juggalos. So oh, Ilike a firework went over the crowd and
hit me right on my mic handas I was rhyming, and it didn't

(01:33:18):
really even hurt. And that wasso exciting that I got hit and it
didn't even it didn't even really hurt. I was like, wow, it
must be because I'm holding the micright or something, but it's pretty Uh.
Yeah, I've had I've had myfair share of ship thrown at me.
Ship. Well, next time wehave you back on, we got
to talk about the Juggalos because I'msure you have a bunch of stories,

(01:33:40):
uh about that experience. We didn'teven get into the road other than story.
Yeah, I wanted to hear ifthere was a Kanye story when you
opened up for me. You know, everyone wants to hear that. Oh
no, nothing too good. Na, we just opened up. We were
backstage together, didn't really talk much, and there was no story. It
was during the college dropout era wherehe was somewhat normal guy, I guess,

(01:34:04):
or or you know you would thinkso, yeah, unfortunately, nothing
nothing too good from that that show. Are you one that believes never meet
your hero since you must have donemany of shows with many of your heroes
growing up. Not always? No, I don't. I think that that

(01:34:27):
expression sounds cool, and a lotof times it proves to be true.
But I've I've met some of likemy heroes who have been great. Mark
Hamill, for one, It's rightput a little Star Wars bow on it.
Corvette summer with that Corvette summer.Yeah, yeah, I don't.
I don't think so, you know, expect the deck was a hero to

(01:34:50):
me, but before I met him, and then I wound up making ten
albums with him or whatever. Itis so true, I think, Uh,
sometimes sometimes you get let down,but a lot of times, you
know, people are people are people, and I don't know, we've been
fortunate. Well, Drey had abad encounter of Corey Ham back in the
day and he has never been thesame since. So he tried to fucking

(01:35:13):
pull that Michael Jackson shit on me. You're thinking of, Oh, that's
tell then sorry, Drake came fromand remember the dude, if I could
use you to help me with slightsomeheimer's that I have. You know,
I'm fifty two, man, Iforget so much shit. My brain is
nowhere near what it was ten yearsago. So it's it's just a part

(01:35:34):
of life. You know, you'vebeen broken down and kids will fucking tear
you up inside as much as youlove them. You know, it's just
it's what it is, all right. He took the vaccine, right kidding,
I'm kidding. More listeners dropping offby the second. Oh, zemp

(01:35:57):
anyone taking ozempic here, that's theFat Joe. Fat Joe's taking that shit.
Oh I know, I know,I know. Wow. All right,
look, you've said it all.Can we can we end on a
positive note? I feel like thelast few minutes have been very depressing and
talking about our age and insinility.You have an album coming out next month
all Virgin Records, it is nowdo you? Is this what? Because

(01:36:21):
you guys release a lot of stuff. Are you planning on releasing any other
material in twenty twenty four? Yeah? We should. We have about three
albums cooking right now, but Ijust can't give up the details on them
yet. But okay, we havea lot of a lot of things in
store, but this is this albumright here is the one we want to
get off the plate now and thenwrap up some of the other stuff.

(01:36:43):
But there's a lot in store.Is there a tour that goes with this?
So that with another group or yeah, fullzar Face Tours is coming together?
If it's twenty twenty four for aUS domestic tour, So finalizing the
details on that and we'll be onthe road looking forward to that. Man.
I suggest an opening act? Yeah, sure, boy, Hey yo,

(01:37:09):
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radio. This is the Boston TributeShow When We put it Down. From
Barry Bird, Paul Pierce, forGean Ronde, Kevin Garnett, the ol
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