December 10, 2025 • 24 mins
Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks and Rhett Lewis discuss Curt Cignetti’s remarkable turnaround for a long-suffering Indiana football program and discuss the College Football Playoff Bracket (1:02) . Then, the trio make their Week 15 Rookie Draft picks (15:34) and spotlight Texans DC Matt Burke as their Coordinator of the Week (19:46).
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ Buck
and a proud new papa. And I mean that as
a proud father of a Big ten championship. That's right,
as well as week as beautiful as well as a
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beautiful baby girl. Hecka a week for you, right? Alzheimer? Alzheimer?
How do we top it? Right?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I mean, all baby Cody Lee knows is undefeated and
dominated Indiana.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
It's a beautiful world. I mean, truthfully, all your kids
have they're living through the freaking last year.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, like suffering. I just I'll say one thing about it.
And I know we got a lot of stuff to
get to here today and we'll get the CFP.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
But I won.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I played five years a one to H five. Yeah,
we won sixteen games total. They could win sixteen this year.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Wow, Just like because you ever have imagined a turnaround
this quick?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Like no, no, no, definitely not.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I'm just saying because it is more than one of
the more remarkable turnaround jobs that you've done. And I
feel like Kurt Signetti has put so much pressure on
others because he was able to do it like that.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I feel like I've been doing you know, I told
you guys this a million times. One of my favorite
podcast episodes that we do here and Move the Sticks
every year is the how the Champions were built after
the Super Bowl, right, And just to quickly the things
that I've come back to belief in blueprint. Right, there
was a belief from Kurt Signetti that his blueprint worked
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and that it would work on any level, and then
it did right and it transition and then three things
that have made him elite evaluation, development and messaging. He
found the right players almost every time he's developed one,
and they've gotten immeasurably better in the time that he's
been there. And his messaging is short, suite to the
point he captures the hearts and minds of the team
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and they go out there and they execute his message.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
It's been incredible. So yeah, I was thinking about some
seeds with that too, because I love thinking like that too,
because I'm looking at him. If you're gonna tell me
some keys here to me, continuity hit what he's had
on his coaching staff with guys who've been together so
they're in the master's level program with what they're doing
within their scheme. They're not trying to figure stuff out
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on the fly. It's already been tested, it's been lab tested,
and they know how this whole thing works. They know
how to communicate with each other. So to me, it
was the continuity. I look at the confidence that you'd
mentioned register and checking confidence into the entire organization. And
then the last thing was buck it's our it's our
buzz phrase of the year of our twenty twenty five
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moved the six buzz phrase of the year care factor.
He's got a lot of guys with a very high
care factors. Yeah, look, yeah, it's amazing to watch.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
And then to add to deal little, I would say
the two d's discipline in details when I watched them play,
their execution to me shows all the discipline that you
have in terms of doing it exactly how the coaches want.
And the only way that you get that is your
attention to detail as a coach to be able to
thoroughly explain it to make sure they're following through and
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doing it right. Man, that is exhausting on a daily
basis to make sure that they are on the details.
But the players have the discipline, but the coaches also
had the discipline and attention to detail, which is why
they execute so well.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Ratt, Bucket and I used to be able to get
out to a lot of college games, even when with
the network work in NFL network. You know, there are
a time where we were getting out to Ton then
Buck's doing Jags, I'm doing Chargers. We haven't been able
to get the college games. So I'm curious to someone
who is in the stadium and someone who's called Big
ten games this year, you can't tell from TV body
type comps yet I've been That doesn't necessarily mean the
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winning team listening, but I'm every time you go down
on the field, you can say, Okay, this is the
this is the even fight here was that? What did
it look like? Composition wise? Because on kV even, yeah,
it's from our and I don't know if it's just
the I'm just so customed to seeing these ohios at uniform.
But when you see ninety seven and you see eight ninety,
see those guys, I'm like, Okay, watching the beginning of
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this game, I'm like, I know Indiana as well, coach.
I know they're tough, I know they're disciplined, like did
they have the horses that you need to go up
against these you know, monstars so to speak. How did
it look on the field? Body type wise?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
It's a good and it looked as as you were
just describing it, it's it does not quite measure up. Now,
I will say it measures up way more than it
has in recent years, right, And I think that does
mean something. I mean, look, it's if we want to
if we had have played this game on star ratings,
it had been a blowout, it had been a hundred
and nothing, you know, I mean, but that's not the
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way this game is played in Indiana plays as a
team better than anybody in the country, right, as a
cohesive and convicted unit on what their purpose is on
each and every play and your poin on the consistency
thing with the coordinators, like they get it. They know
how to put these guys in positions. But the thing
that I would say is like they were also game
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planned really well.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Rvel Reese didn't do a whole lot in this game. Yeah,
he closed the door backside one time and I was
like you can see it, and you're like, yeah, okay,
yeah he can go and it forced to throw away.
I think. I know. I also thought that's another discussion
where to me, I'm putting them on the edge and
cutting that do loose, Like it's like the Jalen Walker discussion.
You don't need to do that loose exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
He was too many times he was off backside and
the play was going front side, and it's just he's
out of the play. And I thought, great work by
Mike Shanahan the OC to kind of game plan it
that way too.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
But yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I mean, like Sonny Styles is unlike anybody that Indiana has.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
On the roster, and he was a beast in that game.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Like I don't know, I hesitate to think what it
would have been like if he wasn't in the gap
kind of putting his finger in the gap many times
in that one. So he was really good. But yeah,
the body type thing is is real. I mean, look
at Jerrem Smith, persty Agelo Ponds. Yeah, it's sixty versus
five nine, one seventy, hung in there any hung in
there on two of the.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Biggest plays, one on one down on the goal line. Yeah. Yeah.
Oh that's also the high school thing.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
They know each other and there's no fear factor there
and then that that is great you talk about the
fear factory. Look, I go back to two moments, not
only this game against Ohio State. I think the bigger
moment was them going on the road, beating Oregon in
Oregon and Dan Lanning talking about them being out coached
and how impressed.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
He was with that staff.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
To me, like, players are certainly a part, but the
go next level. Coaches can put you in a position
to go next level. And there's no doubt in my
mind that Indiana's coaches have put them in a position
to run it. Now, we'll see what it looks like
in the CFP and all of that. But I don't
know how they don't go into the CFP with the
confidence of knowing they can take on all comers and
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they have the advantage of getting people to play at
their turn.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Well, it's mindset too, I mean, how many times did
I got I mean, I can tell you play in
Ohio State when I in one to five, I'm like, yeah,
probably don't got it today, Yeah, nobody. And then talking
to those guys after the game, and it's easy to
say you believed when you win, yeah, but they believe
before they.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
They don't haven't lost a game. There's no reason not to.
I want to get to some some broader strokes here
on this college football playoff. We'll get to the NFL
stuff and just a little bit we'll do a draft.
But know, my favorite line from the weekend. I just
consumed all this college football weekend. It was fantastic. But
I've done some of these Texas Tech defensive players and
they've got there's real, real dudes, and they had it.
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It was a question after their game. I don't know
if you guys saw this, Like I remembers Rodriguez who
was asked it. They said, what do you say to
the critics who say, you guys are the best team
money can buy? And he goes, well, if you're going
to spend the money, you might as well get the best.
Fantastic what are you talking about? Like the team people
here like, you know, that's like Holp somehow, come on,
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dude's a great line. That ain't that? Ain't that? Ain't
like this cute little finesse big twelve team coming out
of there?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
No. And I think what is interesting about that is
the conversation that they talk about. The general manager works
almost independently of the head coach, like they go a
quiet of.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
The town's got to talk them off, you know what
I'm saying. You drop them off to the coach and
the coach figures out what to do.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
And I will say this because I have a tremendous
amount of respect for b YU and the toughness and
the way they play look like different.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Different levels in terms of the way that they played
both times. It never in that game.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Did I feel like BYU is gonna make a running
come back and get into them.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
You know what the problem with with all of that
because YU sent out some tweets you know about the
teams that got in ahead of them, right, I think
it was you know, even through Notre Dame in there,
even though not Dame wasn't in it, but it was
Alabama was up there.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Somebody text you know, somebody else.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
And I feel like analytics has just given way to
too much complaining and give where you want to find.
You know that you can find it. Anybody can find
a way to say they belong in the playoff when
ultimately you know what the rules were and you didn't
do it.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
That's why I can't see nobody ever says by the way,
just when your conference only one.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
But that's why I said, why wouldn't Marcus Freeman entertain
Penn State because he's got a designated.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Path to the playoffs that way.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Now, I get your at Notre Dame in the prestige
and that, and I certainly understand him staying, but I mean, yeah,
I would have. I would have entertained it. I mean,
look at where you're at now. Now we're not playing
in a bowl game. So anyway, I agree with you
on on that front there. But yeah, the analytics thing,
I feel like it's getting out of control with how
we evaluate who's good who isn't.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I just think it's funny because it's just cherry pick.
It's always true, and it was funny, and I don't
I don't envy. I don't envy envy anyone trying to
be on a show and and stayed in opinion one
way or the other one who gets in and who
doesn't get in? Because you could it's like in school
where they go, okay, argue this point, Okay, all right,
flip Now you guys flip arguments and you argue that. Okay,
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I can argue both sides of it, But I found
it kind of hilarious to me that it was like
Alabama doesn't drop after getting their face kicked in by
Georgia and then by us off the face of the
earth after you were there. I'm like, well, how does
this work both way? It doesn't make any sense. I
remember somebody had posted, you know, back in the day,
remember when SC with Caleb Williams his first year, They're
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in the conference championship game against Utah. I think they
were up seventeen to three and Caleb got hurt, like
I puld his hamstring and Utah blew their doors off,
and SC went from like two to eight or something
like they fell all the way down. So I'm like,
it's just there's no consistency to it. But that's why
to me, if you're a coach, it's like, hey, if
we're in a conference, we need to win our conference,
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and then they can't say anything we're in.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, And I think you have to take the excuses
off the players and everybody, like, hey, it's very simple.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
If you win your conference, you have a golden ticket.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It's very similar to when I was in Buffalo, Marv
Lee we would talk about the number one thing that
we want to do is win a division because that
guarantees us the spot in the tournament, and it's the
same thing in college football. The other part of it,
and why I think so many people are upset, is
the reality TV show that has become. Yeah, if you don't,
if you don't have the ebbs and flows over six
week period where am I at, then you don't have
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these conversations.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
If you do it, I thing makes money, though, Man,
it ain't going anywhere. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
But if you do it just like they do in
high school, where you play the season, at the end
of it, you have the reveal here. These are the
teams that are in. These are teams that are out
for Notre Dame. I can understand them being upset, even
though I'm like, hey, man, you lost to Miami, you
lost the Texas A.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
And m that's all. The other wins are not notable.
So that's just what it is. Yeah. Yeah, And people
have said, wow, it's going to cost us, you know,
some marquee out of conference matchups going forward, and my
answer to that is, let's play. These are super conferences.
There's stinking sixteen eighteen games in these conferences. That's fine.
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Play ten conference games. Sure, I'm going to get some
good games. If you give me ten big ten games
and ten SEC games, we're going to get some great matchups.
And if you want to play your cupcakes out of conference,
then I don't really care that. I thought it was
Cody Campbell, who's the big booster for Texas Tech, brought
up a great point. I think he might have been
on McAfee and he was saying how so many things
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college football gets wrong, and he was basically saying, like,
if you have a centralized offense that's doing the scheduling,
so that like you shouldn't have four great games one
Saturday and the next Saturday. It's like where does game
day go? You know, there's no there's no good matchups.
Like that needs to be spread out throughout the year
because everybody's like, we're going to miss on these non
conference you know headline, Well, that's fine, we'll put some
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big conference games in those early week wegos spread them
all out. We'll have big games every single week. So
that doesn't really but how cool would it have been?
How cool would it have been?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
You know, on the other side of the conference championship debate,
if notre Dame in Miami.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Had played this week for the right to get into
the playoffs. You know, this was a playing weekend loser
leave town. Yeah, let's go. I mean, why not.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Look, there's so many things that are involved, but I
just believe that you need to play and win big
games to get in, and we can't lean on.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
The computer to be able to do it. It has
to be earned on the few. I know everybody saying, well, well,
let's go to sixteen. I'm like, this is far enough. Man, Like,
it's I make it, it's worth something like that. It's
more exclusive to me. We'll get into sixteen teams. I
don't like that.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I would do sixteen if it was like a play
in to get to twelve. You know what I mean,
if you had if you had six teams or whatever
it is, eight teams playing games to get those final
four spots or something like that, I think that'd be
pretty dang cool. And then it's almost like they do
with the NCAA tournament. Yeah, and when we started the
dang playoff next week and we crown the national champion
on New Year's Day, Well.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I'm just look, if all the lower levels are able
to do a regular playoff. I don't understand why the
highest level can't do a play.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Everyone wants to see bowl games in those things.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
But everyone opts out to me, put sixteen in, but
make it like a playoff, just like every state has
high school playoffs.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
It should be the same thing. Yeah, And I know
people are making a big stink about, you know, Tulane
and James Madison and why they don't have a chance
to win a champions in their job, they have to
have some incentive to play. Why play this season if
you're any of those teams outside the power for now?
If you want to say that you're only going to
designate one spot for a non group of four team,
and you want to have that four team like a
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final four of group of fives, and those final four
they play a couple of games to see if they
can get the one winner of that group to get
into the tournament. Okay, but you have to have some
There have to be some even if it's the most
narrow path ever, there has to be some carrot there
for those teams to shoot for or else. What's the
point of having your season? There's nothing to play for.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
And the only thing that I would say is. I
would prefer to see the power Flour have his own
bracket in a group. If I have his own bracket,
like I just like I think we would tune in
to watch both of them. And if there was a
group of five national champ so be it. I just
it just gets convoluted when we're talking about the haves
and the half not. I don't know, maybe jam You
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surprises us against Oregon, maybe two lane changes the narrative
against Ole Miss. But I would like to see those
teams have an opportunity to play with they legitimately have
a chance to win the title.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, no, it's it's a good point. All right, say
quick break. We'll transition over to some NFL stuff right
after this. All right, guys, Ricky Draft time rtt we
uh were able to close the gap a little bit
on you. You got your you have the baby, you
miss a week. You only get two points from Gab
Gab that it's a solid I got six buck you
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got four.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
I thought I thought with the Ricky, I thought I
read his own fraternity. I thought he's all for like
two weeks. Why he's on the show.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
It's all reason he came back here. Ridiculous. So let's
without further ado, let's jump into it for this week,
and it's a draft order wise. It's going to go
Rett myself and then Bucky. Go ahead, rhet Yes, sir.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I looked at the results, no question, saw where things
are headed, some of the some of the trends that
we've been seeing. And I am going to in this
first pick because Tyler Warren is going to be a
little bit uncertain with the quarterback situation.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Although my pick.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Here is going to be playing the Green Bay Packers.
I think I'm gonna go our J Harvey as the
first pick in the draft here.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Wow, WHOA Okay, all right, I like that one. I'm
going to I'm gonna flip it and I'm gonna go
let's see, we're going off the reservation a little bit here.
I'm going to go Loveland with my pick. I believe
they played the Browns. So I'm gonna go Colston Loveland
with my first pick.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Okay, So I go back it back, So give me
Travian Henderson and then I'm gonna go right back with
Harold Fanning Junior for the Browns. Because as long as
your Dr Sanders is throwing he's gonna find a way
to get it to forty four.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
That's a good point, no question. All right, So that
way you're up right here. Yep. So man, i'd like
to go I'd like to go Judkins, but gotage. That
wasn't a great look. Hm hmm. I don't care. I'm
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doing it anyways. I'm gonna go Judkins. I'm gonna go
heavy in this Bears Bears Browns game. I'm gonna be
tuned in, dialed in on that one.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Go ahead, Rett, all right, I'm gonna go Ted Roll
McMillan as my wide receiver. He is back, and you
know what, I'm just gonna put some trust in Tyler Warren.
We're just gonna do it. I don't think I can
go without it. So that's where I got. I got,
I got RJ. Harvey, I got uh Tyler Warren and Terroll.
No all right, hmmm.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I'm just tempted to just go all the way in
and just go with Luther Burden and just I'll have
to watch one game if I did that possible? Can
I really go loved one? Yeah? Man? Who does Houston have?
Real quick? I mean, let me to check that.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I mean Houston has uh Cardinals, they have an easier game, Cardinals.
Jadon Higgins. Give me Higgins, he's been coming on. It's
done a nice job here. In the second I kind
of want to go a little bit different on my
picks this weekend. And a booka kind of burned me,
so I'm uh.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, we're going Buka was all the rage first Thursday weeks.
Kind of you back down to earth to have I
stretch that he had.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Go ahead, Buck, I'll take the burn victim, I'll take
a book, all right.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, uh wow.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Hey, how about our guy Tyler having a nice couple
of days f himself running around throws it a little
bit up and down, but his athleticism has been nice
to see.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Many another market man. Yeah, yeah, that was That was
a really good one. All right, we have all the
teams set, We're done. We go all right, Red Scott, Harvey, McMillan,
Warre and I've got Loveland, Judkins, Higgins, Bucky's got Henderson,
Fann and Junior and Abuca. By the way, you can
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Speaker 3 (19:43):
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Speaker 1 (19:43):
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and it is our Coordinator of the week. I don't
know if we've done him before, but I've been a
champion of Matt Burke for a long time. I am
a big believer in him, and as the DC of
the Texans buck underneath the Miko Ryans, smart guy Dartmouth education,
I've been advocating to me, like the Giants job is
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out there. I think you pair him up with an
offensive minded coordinator. I love that fit man they tore
into the Kansas City Chiefs in that game. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Look, they've done a really good job. And I said this,
I believe that defense is the scariest defense to face
down the stretch. When you look at them, they can
do so many different things without having to bring pressure.
The way they're unlocking Will Anderson moving them around as
a joker. Daniel Hunter is a freak of nature on
the edge. That secondary is fast. They tackle, I mean
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just everybody in the group ta because in all eleven
are playing hard and so we can talk about Deviko
Ryan's influence, but Burke has done a really good job
of putting it all together.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
And let's be honest, since Demko has.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Relinquished the play calling duties to focus and help the offense,
the defense hasn't skipped a beat.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
So hands off to Matt Burke.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Now, shoot, I mean his first game call and plays
and they pitched a shutout, right, I mean it was
against a rookie quarterback and came more in the Tennessee Titans.
But they've also been eight and two since they made
that move. They've kept their last four opponents under twenty points.
They've what they do is kind of I mean, it's
kind of interesting, but it also speaks to you know,
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what Nick Cassario has done and James Lifford and that
whole personnel staff. Like they don't blitz, right, They have
one of the lowest blitz percentages on past plays in
the league.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
They rush five more than anybody in the league.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
But they have, you know, and how many simulated pressures
they've run zero, not a single one, which speaks again
to the talent that you have on the roster. And
you love that, right, you take advantage of the fact
that you got Will Anderson and Daniel Hunter, and you
can run a lot of cover one with Derek Stanley
and that.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Whole group back there. But I did go back and.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Listen to something that Matt Burke said in one of
his preseason availabilities, the way that Demiko Ryans prioritizes developing
coaches as much as he does developing players. And he
has guys getting up in front of the room and
given presentations and better position coaches make coordinators and coordinator
better coordinators make for a coach who can sit there
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and be the CEO that Demiko Ryans is now is
now being here. And I just he said it was
part of Dimico's belief system as a coach. I thought
that was really cool. And by the way, listening to
him talk DJ, I had that same feeling you did.
I was like, there's there's a head coach in this
cycle right there in that Burke and so I think
he's he's done a phenomenal job out there.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
They've got great players.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
They have prioritized filling that roster with great players on
the defensive side.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
So I just he's.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Done a great job pushing all the buttons and getting
everybody in the right place to make those plays. But
it's a really good effort kind of staff wide to
get that thing really rolling.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, one thing, I'll just finish it up with the
job that he's done. And really, the job Nick Sario's
done building this roster out is I level when you
can see the plan and the alignment in place. So
you talk about investing heavily in this defensive line that
can rush, right, so we're going to get We're going
to crank up our pass rush. And then if you
look at the reports coming out of college, if you
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look at reports on Stingley, Lasser, Peatree, and Bullock, you
would see ball skills, ball skills, ball skills, ball skills.
That ball is going to be coming out. It's going
to be coming out sooner than the receivers expected to
come out. It's going to be coming out sooner than
the quarterback would like it to come out. So you
got to be able to locate it, play it. There's
going to be some there's going to be some fruit
just waiting there for you to pick it. And there's
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and if you look at like the Jets, the Jets
ran the same front, right, they invested in the defensive line.
They couldn't the corners could catch sauce Gartner would drop
so many picks in that system. They didn't have guys
that were making as many plays on the football. And
if you look at it here, this is the perfect
marriage of a rush and then guys who can really
find and play the ball down the field. So great
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job there by the Houston Texas. Great job by Matt Burke.
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see you next time right here on movie sticks.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
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And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ Buck
and a proud new papa. And I mean that as
a proud father of a Big ten championship. That's right,
as well as week as beautiful as well as a
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beautiful baby girl. Hecka a week for you, right? Alzheimer? Alzheimer?
How do we top it? Right?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I mean, all baby Cody Lee knows is undefeated and
dominated Indiana.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
It's a beautiful world. I mean, truthfully, all your kids
have they're living through the freaking last year.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, like suffering. I just I'll say one thing about it.
And I know we got a lot of stuff to
get to here today and we'll get the CFP.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
But I won.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I played five years a one to H five. Yeah,
we won sixteen games total. They could win sixteen this year.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Wow, Just like because you ever have imagined a turnaround
this quick?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Like no, no, no, definitely not.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I'm just saying because it is more than one of
the more remarkable turnaround jobs that you've done. And I
feel like Kurt Signetti has put so much pressure on
others because he was able to do it like that.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I feel like I've been doing you know, I told
you guys this a million times. One of my favorite
podcast episodes that we do here and Move the Sticks
every year is the how the Champions were built after
the Super Bowl, right, And just to quickly the things
that I've come back to belief in blueprint. Right, there
was a belief from Kurt Signetti that his blueprint worked
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and that it would work on any level, and then
it did right and it transition and then three things
that have made him elite evaluation, development and messaging. He
found the right players almost every time he's developed one,
and they've gotten immeasurably better in the time that he's
been there. And his messaging is short, suite to the
point he captures the hearts and minds of the team
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and they go out there and they execute his message.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
It's been incredible. So yeah, I was thinking about some
seeds with that too, because I love thinking like that too,
because I'm looking at him. If you're gonna tell me
some keys here to me, continuity hit what he's had
on his coaching staff with guys who've been together so
they're in the master's level program with what they're doing
within their scheme. They're not trying to figure stuff out
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on the fly. It's already been tested, it's been lab tested,
and they know how this whole thing works. They know
how to communicate with each other. So to me, it
was the continuity. I look at the confidence that you'd
mentioned register and checking confidence into the entire organization. And
then the last thing was buck it's our it's our
buzz phrase of the year of our twenty twenty five
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moved the six buzz phrase of the year care factor.
He's got a lot of guys with a very high
care factors. Yeah, look, yeah, it's amazing to watch.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
And then to add to deal little, I would say
the two d's discipline in details when I watched them play,
their execution to me shows all the discipline that you
have in terms of doing it exactly how the coaches want.
And the only way that you get that is your
attention to detail as a coach to be able to
thoroughly explain it to make sure they're following through and
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doing it right. Man, that is exhausting on a daily
basis to make sure that they are on the details.
But the players have the discipline, but the coaches also
had the discipline and attention to detail, which is why
they execute so well.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Ratt, Bucket and I used to be able to get
out to a lot of college games, even when with
the network work in NFL network. You know, there are
a time where we were getting out to Ton then
Buck's doing Jags, I'm doing Chargers. We haven't been able
to get the college games. So I'm curious to someone
who is in the stadium and someone who's called Big
ten games this year, you can't tell from TV body
type comps yet I've been That doesn't necessarily mean the
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winning team listening, but I'm every time you go down
on the field, you can say, Okay, this is the
this is the even fight here was that? What did
it look like? Composition wise? Because on kV even, yeah,
it's from our and I don't know if it's just
the I'm just so customed to seeing these ohios at uniform.
But when you see ninety seven and you see eight ninety,
see those guys, I'm like, Okay, watching the beginning of
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this game, I'm like, I know Indiana as well, coach.
I know they're tough, I know they're disciplined, like did
they have the horses that you need to go up
against these you know, monstars so to speak. How did
it look on the field? Body type wise?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
It's a good and it looked as as you were
just describing it, it's it does not quite measure up. Now,
I will say it measures up way more than it
has in recent years, right, And I think that does
mean something. I mean, look, it's if we want to
if we had have played this game on star ratings,
it had been a blowout, it had been a hundred
and nothing, you know, I mean, but that's not the
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way this game is played in Indiana plays as a
team better than anybody in the country, right, as a
cohesive and convicted unit on what their purpose is on
each and every play and your poin on the consistency
thing with the coordinators, like they get it. They know
how to put these guys in positions. But the thing
that I would say is like they were also game
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planned really well.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Rvel Reese didn't do a whole lot in this game. Yeah,
he closed the door backside one time and I was
like you can see it, and you're like, yeah, okay,
yeah he can go and it forced to throw away.
I think. I know. I also thought that's another discussion
where to me, I'm putting them on the edge and
cutting that do loose, Like it's like the Jalen Walker discussion.
You don't need to do that loose exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
He was too many times he was off backside and
the play was going front side, and it's just he's
out of the play. And I thought, great work by
Mike Shanahan the OC to kind of game plan it
that way too.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
But yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I mean, like Sonny Styles is unlike anybody that Indiana has.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
On the roster, and he was a beast in that game.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Like I don't know, I hesitate to think what it
would have been like if he wasn't in the gap
kind of putting his finger in the gap many times
in that one. So he was really good. But yeah,
the body type thing is is real. I mean, look
at Jerrem Smith, persty Agelo Ponds. Yeah, it's sixty versus
five nine, one seventy, hung in there any hung in
there on two of the.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Biggest plays, one on one down on the goal line. Yeah. Yeah.
Oh that's also the high school thing.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
They know each other and there's no fear factor there
and then that that is great you talk about the
fear factory. Look, I go back to two moments, not
only this game against Ohio State. I think the bigger
moment was them going on the road, beating Oregon in
Oregon and Dan Lanning talking about them being out coached
and how impressed.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
He was with that staff.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
To me, like, players are certainly a part, but the
go next level. Coaches can put you in a position
to go next level. And there's no doubt in my
mind that Indiana's coaches have put them in a position
to run it. Now, we'll see what it looks like
in the CFP and all of that. But I don't
know how they don't go into the CFP with the
confidence of knowing they can take on all comers and
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they have the advantage of getting people to play at
their turn.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Well, it's mindset too, I mean, how many times did
I got I mean, I can tell you play in
Ohio State when I in one to five, I'm like, yeah,
probably don't got it today, Yeah, nobody. And then talking
to those guys after the game, and it's easy to
say you believed when you win, yeah, but they believe
before they.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
They don't haven't lost a game. There's no reason not to.
I want to get to some some broader strokes here
on this college football playoff. We'll get to the NFL
stuff and just a little bit we'll do a draft.
But know, my favorite line from the weekend. I just
consumed all this college football weekend. It was fantastic. But
I've done some of these Texas Tech defensive players and
they've got there's real, real dudes, and they had it.
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It was a question after their game. I don't know
if you guys saw this, Like I remembers Rodriguez who
was asked it. They said, what do you say to
the critics who say, you guys are the best team
money can buy? And he goes, well, if you're going
to spend the money, you might as well get the best.
Fantastic what are you talking about? Like the team people
here like, you know, that's like Holp somehow, come on,
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dude's a great line. That ain't that? Ain't that? Ain't
like this cute little finesse big twelve team coming out
of there?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
No. And I think what is interesting about that is
the conversation that they talk about. The general manager works
almost independently of the head coach, like they go a
quiet of.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
The town's got to talk them off, you know what
I'm saying. You drop them off to the coach and
the coach figures out what to do.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
And I will say this because I have a tremendous
amount of respect for b YU and the toughness and
the way they play look like different.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Different levels in terms of the way that they played
both times. It never in that game.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Did I feel like BYU is gonna make a running
come back and get into them.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
You know what the problem with with all of that
because YU sent out some tweets you know about the
teams that got in ahead of them, right, I think
it was you know, even through Notre Dame in there,
even though not Dame wasn't in it, but it was
Alabama was up there.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Somebody text you know, somebody else.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
And I feel like analytics has just given way to
too much complaining and give where you want to find.
You know that you can find it. Anybody can find
a way to say they belong in the playoff when
ultimately you know what the rules were and you didn't
do it.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
That's why I can't see nobody ever says by the way,
just when your conference only one.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
But that's why I said, why wouldn't Marcus Freeman entertain
Penn State because he's got a designated.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Path to the playoffs that way.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Now, I get your at Notre Dame in the prestige
and that, and I certainly understand him staying, but I mean, yeah,
I would have. I would have entertained it. I mean,
look at where you're at now. Now we're not playing
in a bowl game. So anyway, I agree with you
on on that front there. But yeah, the analytics thing,
I feel like it's getting out of control with how
we evaluate who's good who isn't.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I just think it's funny because it's just cherry pick.
It's always true, and it was funny, and I don't
I don't envy. I don't envy envy anyone trying to
be on a show and and stayed in opinion one
way or the other one who gets in and who
doesn't get in? Because you could it's like in school
where they go, okay, argue this point, Okay, all right,
flip Now you guys flip arguments and you argue that. Okay,
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I can argue both sides of it, But I found
it kind of hilarious to me that it was like
Alabama doesn't drop after getting their face kicked in by
Georgia and then by us off the face of the
earth after you were there. I'm like, well, how does
this work both way? It doesn't make any sense. I
remember somebody had posted, you know, back in the day,
remember when SC with Caleb Williams his first year, They're
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in the conference championship game against Utah. I think they
were up seventeen to three and Caleb got hurt, like
I puld his hamstring and Utah blew their doors off,
and SC went from like two to eight or something
like they fell all the way down. So I'm like,
it's just there's no consistency to it. But that's why
to me, if you're a coach, it's like, hey, if
we're in a conference, we need to win our conference,
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and then they can't say anything we're in.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, And I think you have to take the excuses
off the players and everybody, like, hey, it's very simple.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
If you win your conference, you have a golden ticket.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It's very similar to when I was in Buffalo, Marv
Lee we would talk about the number one thing that
we want to do is win a division because that
guarantees us the spot in the tournament, and it's the
same thing in college football. The other part of it,
and why I think so many people are upset, is
the reality TV show that has become. Yeah, if you don't,
if you don't have the ebbs and flows over six
week period where am I at, then you don't have
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these conversations.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
If you do it, I thing makes money, though, Man,
it ain't going anywhere. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
But if you do it just like they do in
high school, where you play the season, at the end
of it, you have the reveal here. These are the
teams that are in. These are teams that are out
for Notre Dame. I can understand them being upset, even
though I'm like, hey, man, you lost to Miami, you
lost the Texas A.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
And m that's all. The other wins are not notable.
So that's just what it is. Yeah. Yeah, And people
have said, wow, it's going to cost us, you know,
some marquee out of conference matchups going forward, and my
answer to that is, let's play. These are super conferences.
There's stinking sixteen eighteen games in these conferences. That's fine.
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Play ten conference games. Sure, I'm going to get some
good games. If you give me ten big ten games
and ten SEC games, we're going to get some great matchups.
And if you want to play your cupcakes out of conference,
then I don't really care that. I thought it was
Cody Campbell, who's the big booster for Texas Tech, brought
up a great point. I think he might have been
on McAfee and he was saying how so many things
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college football gets wrong, and he was basically saying, like,
if you have a centralized offense that's doing the scheduling,
so that like you shouldn't have four great games one
Saturday and the next Saturday. It's like where does game
day go? You know, there's no there's no good matchups.
Like that needs to be spread out throughout the year
because everybody's like, we're going to miss on these non
conference you know headline, Well, that's fine, we'll put some
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big conference games in those early week wegos spread them
all out. We'll have big games every single week. So
that doesn't really but how cool would it have been?
How cool would it have been?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
You know, on the other side of the conference championship debate,
if notre Dame in Miami.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Had played this week for the right to get into
the playoffs. You know, this was a playing weekend loser
leave town. Yeah, let's go. I mean, why not.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Look, there's so many things that are involved, but I
just believe that you need to play and win big
games to get in, and we can't lean on.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
The computer to be able to do it. It has
to be earned on the few. I know everybody saying, well, well,
let's go to sixteen. I'm like, this is far enough. Man, Like,
it's I make it, it's worth something like that. It's
more exclusive to me. We'll get into sixteen teams. I
don't like that.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I would do sixteen if it was like a play
in to get to twelve. You know what I mean,
if you had if you had six teams or whatever
it is, eight teams playing games to get those final
four spots or something like that, I think that'd be
pretty dang cool. And then it's almost like they do
with the NCAA tournament. Yeah, and when we started the
dang playoff next week and we crown the national champion
on New Year's Day, Well.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I'm just look, if all the lower levels are able
to do a regular playoff. I don't understand why the
highest level can't do a play.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Everyone wants to see bowl games in those things.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
But everyone opts out to me, put sixteen in, but
make it like a playoff, just like every state has
high school playoffs.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
It should be the same thing. Yeah, And I know
people are making a big stink about, you know, Tulane
and James Madison and why they don't have a chance
to win a champions in their job, they have to
have some incentive to play. Why play this season if
you're any of those teams outside the power for now?
If you want to say that you're only going to
designate one spot for a non group of four team,
and you want to have that four team like a
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final four of group of fives, and those final four
they play a couple of games to see if they
can get the one winner of that group to get
into the tournament. Okay, but you have to have some
There have to be some even if it's the most
narrow path ever, there has to be some carrot there
for those teams to shoot for or else. What's the
point of having your season? There's nothing to play for.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
And the only thing that I would say is. I
would prefer to see the power Flour have his own
bracket in a group. If I have his own bracket,
like I just like I think we would tune in
to watch both of them. And if there was a
group of five national champ so be it. I just
it just gets convoluted when we're talking about the haves
and the half not. I don't know, maybe jam You
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surprises us against Oregon, maybe two lane changes the narrative
against Ole Miss. But I would like to see those
teams have an opportunity to play with they legitimately have
a chance to win the title.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, no, it's it's a good point. All right, say
quick break. We'll transition over to some NFL stuff right
after this. All right, guys, Ricky Draft time rtt we
uh were able to close the gap a little bit
on you. You got your you have the baby, you
miss a week. You only get two points from Gab
Gab that it's a solid I got six buck you
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got four.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
I thought I thought with the Ricky, I thought I
read his own fraternity. I thought he's all for like
two weeks. Why he's on the show.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
It's all reason he came back here. Ridiculous. So let's
without further ado, let's jump into it for this week,
and it's a draft order wise. It's going to go
Rett myself and then Bucky. Go ahead, rhet Yes, sir.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I looked at the results, no question, saw where things
are headed, some of the some of the trends that
we've been seeing. And I am going to in this
first pick because Tyler Warren is going to be a
little bit uncertain with the quarterback situation.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Although my pick.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Here is going to be playing the Green Bay Packers.
I think I'm gonna go our J Harvey as the
first pick in the draft here.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Wow, WHOA Okay, all right, I like that one. I'm
going to I'm gonna flip it and I'm gonna go
let's see, we're going off the reservation a little bit here.
I'm going to go Loveland with my pick. I believe
they played the Browns. So I'm gonna go Colston Loveland
with my first pick.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Okay, So I go back it back, So give me
Travian Henderson and then I'm gonna go right back with
Harold Fanning Junior for the Browns. Because as long as
your Dr Sanders is throwing he's gonna find a way
to get it to forty four.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
That's a good point, no question. All right, So that
way you're up right here. Yep. So man, i'd like
to go I'd like to go Judkins, but gotage. That
wasn't a great look. Hm hmm. I don't care. I'm
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doing it anyways. I'm gonna go Judkins. I'm gonna go
heavy in this Bears Bears Browns game. I'm gonna be
tuned in, dialed in on that one.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Go ahead, Rett, all right, I'm gonna go Ted Roll
McMillan as my wide receiver. He is back, and you
know what, I'm just gonna put some trust in Tyler Warren.
We're just gonna do it. I don't think I can
go without it. So that's where I got. I got,
I got RJ. Harvey, I got uh Tyler Warren and Terroll.
No all right, hmmm.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I'm just tempted to just go all the way in
and just go with Luther Burden and just I'll have
to watch one game if I did that possible? Can
I really go loved one? Yeah? Man? Who does Houston have?
Real quick? I mean, let me to check that.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I mean Houston has uh Cardinals, they have an easier game, Cardinals.
Jadon Higgins. Give me Higgins, he's been coming on. It's
done a nice job here. In the second I kind
of want to go a little bit different on my
picks this weekend. And a booka kind of burned me,
so I'm uh.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, we're going Buka was all the rage first Thursday weeks.
Kind of you back down to earth to have I
stretch that he had.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Go ahead, Buck, I'll take the burn victim, I'll take
a book, all right.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, uh wow.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Hey, how about our guy Tyler having a nice couple
of days f himself running around throws it a little
bit up and down, but his athleticism has been nice
to see.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Many another market man. Yeah, yeah, that was That was
a really good one. All right, we have all the
teams set, We're done. We go all right, Red Scott, Harvey, McMillan,
Warre and I've got Loveland, Judkins, Higgins, Bucky's got Henderson,
Fann and Junior and Abuca. By the way, you can
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time for Hot or not?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
It is brought to you by with Sabby Hot Cloud Storage,
and it is our Coordinator of the week. I don't
know if we've done him before, but I've been a
champion of Matt Burke for a long time. I am
a big believer in him, and as the DC of
the Texans buck underneath the Miko Ryans, smart guy Dartmouth education,
I've been advocating to me, like the Giants job is
(20:06):
out there. I think you pair him up with an
offensive minded coordinator. I love that fit man they tore
into the Kansas City Chiefs in that game. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Look, they've done a really good job. And I said this,
I believe that defense is the scariest defense to face
down the stretch. When you look at them, they can
do so many different things without having to bring pressure.
The way they're unlocking Will Anderson moving them around as
a joker. Daniel Hunter is a freak of nature on
the edge. That secondary is fast. They tackle, I mean
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just everybody in the group ta because in all eleven
are playing hard and so we can talk about Deviko
Ryan's influence, but Burke has done a really good job
of putting it all together.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
And let's be honest, since Demko has.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Relinquished the play calling duties to focus and help the offense,
the defense hasn't skipped a beat.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
So hands off to Matt Burke.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Now, shoot, I mean his first game call and plays
and they pitched a shutout, right, I mean it was
against a rookie quarterback and came more in the Tennessee Titans.
But they've also been eight and two since they made
that move. They've kept their last four opponents under twenty points.
They've what they do is kind of I mean, it's
kind of interesting, but it also speaks to you know,
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what Nick Cassario has done and James Lifford and that
whole personnel staff. Like they don't blitz, right, They have
one of the lowest blitz percentages on past plays in
the league.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
They rush five more than anybody in the league.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
But they have, you know, and how many simulated pressures
they've run zero, not a single one, which speaks again
to the talent that you have on the roster. And
you love that, right, you take advantage of the fact
that you got Will Anderson and Daniel Hunter, and you
can run a lot of cover one with Derek Stanley
and that.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Whole group back there. But I did go back and.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Listen to something that Matt Burke said in one of
his preseason availabilities, the way that Demiko Ryans prioritizes developing
coaches as much as he does developing players. And he
has guys getting up in front of the room and
given presentations and better position coaches make coordinators and coordinator
better coordinators make for a coach who can sit there
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and be the CEO that Demiko Ryans is now is
now being here. And I just he said it was
part of Dimico's belief system as a coach. I thought
that was really cool. And by the way, listening to
him talk DJ, I had that same feeling you did.
I was like, there's there's a head coach in this
cycle right there in that Burke and so I think
he's he's done a phenomenal job out there.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
They've got great players.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
They have prioritized filling that roster with great players on
the defensive side.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
So I just he's.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Done a great job pushing all the buttons and getting
everybody in the right place to make those plays. But
it's a really good effort kind of staff wide to
get that thing really rolling.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, one thing, I'll just finish it up with the
job that he's done. And really, the job Nick Sario's
done building this roster out is I level when you
can see the plan and the alignment in place. So
you talk about investing heavily in this defensive line that
can rush, right, so we're going to get We're going
to crank up our pass rush. And then if you
look at the reports coming out of college, if you
(23:08):
look at reports on Stingley, Lasser, Peatree, and Bullock, you
would see ball skills, ball skills, ball skills, ball skills.
That ball is going to be coming out. It's going
to be coming out sooner than the receivers expected to
come out. It's going to be coming out sooner than
the quarterback would like it to come out. So you
got to be able to locate it, play it. There's
going to be some there's going to be some fruit
just waiting there for you to pick it. And there's
(23:30):
and if you look at like the Jets, the Jets
ran the same front, right, they invested in the defensive line.
They couldn't the corners could catch sauce Gartner would drop
so many picks in that system. They didn't have guys
that were making as many plays on the football. And
if you look at it here, this is the perfect
marriage of a rush and then guys who can really
find and play the ball down the field. So great
(23:51):
job there by the Houston Texas. Great job by Matt Burke.
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