October 22, 2020 • 29 mins
Former Falcons great Jessie Tuggle returns to Bird Noises and talks with Matt Tabeek about everything from dealing with the pandemic, mental health, social justice, empty stadiums, injuries and how the Falcons can turnaround their season.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know, the Falcons played some great defense against the
Vikings on Sunday, so it's only fitting that we get
one of the best defenders to ever suit up in
the Falcons uniform today. Jesse Tuggle forever number fifty eight
in the hearts of Falcons fans everywhere. Welcome back to
Bird Noises. Hey, thanks a loving man. I appreciate you
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having me back here. It's good to see you. Man.
You know, the last time when you were on I
told you this, and I mean it, not only did
you have the best nickname ever for a linebacker, but
you earned it. Man, you were even the hammer. You
earned it. And hey, man, you know what, I do
appreciate that because when I was out there on the
practice field or in the games, or anytime I wanted
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to compete, I wanted to be the most physical player
on the football field, and that helped me a time.
It motivated me to earn that nickname to Himmer. Well,
you earned it. You're in the Ring of Honor. You
should be in the Hall of Fame. We'll get to
that down the road, and I'm going to start leading
that campaign here soon. You mean, we need to get
we need to get you and Tommy Nobles into the hall,
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no doubt about it. Oh. Man, boy, that really chapped
me when he didn't get in. But me too. Man,
I'll be honest with you. You know, it's a personal accomplishment,
But I would rather see Tommy go in before I
go in, because that's the type of person he really was.
For the Atlanta Falcons and the player, he was unbelievable
and my whole career, he didn't say nothing but positive
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things about my about my play. So um that being said,
and he and right now he's well missed. Yeah, you
gotta get mister Falcon in right Oh yeah, no doubt. Well, listen,
you know where I'm gonna go with this before we
get started. Does the Hammer still love the name Bird
Noises or if you kind of soured on it or what? Oh?
I love it, man it most I think that nickname
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might be better than my nickname. You gotta hear. People
want to hear what's going on the side the next man.
You gotta hear the noise. So I think you're doing
The fans are great justice And this is about getting
coaches and players here, you know, just to talk about it.
And it's don't getting in better than that. I think
you just gave us a slogan and a T shirt.
Keep what's going on inside the nest? There? You good man?
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We had goody mob on here and see low Green
wanted to call bird, but that's another story I understand.
So listen, you look great. How the heck are you?
I've been great, man. You know, things been going good.
You know it's been a tough twenty twenty for everybody,
but you make the best of it. You know. Physically
I feel pretty good. You know. I have all the
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bumps and bruises. Got over a serious knee injury as
far as need replacement about two years ago. I don't
run anymore, but I'm able to swim a little bit
just to keep my conditioning. So they have some tony.
Swimming is good swimming. You work everything and it's easy
on the joints. Are we are? We indoor swimming or
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outdoor swimming? Outdoor swimming. So it's getting close to the
end of mine. Playing in the food falls is almost here,
so I think this would be my last week. We're
in the seventies, so I think this would be my
last week, man, So I got to get it in. Yeah,
I was gonna say those pool, that pool can't be
too seamy at this point with the with the weather
we've been having, but that's possibly. They thank you so
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COVID though. Everybody's good, healthy, everybody's healthy, family, and yeah,
I know, yeah, go ahead. You know, I grew up
right here, you know, in the state, and obviously we
knew all the outbreaks that aren't happening here and here
in the state of Georgia. But unfortunately, I have a
cousin who who recent past man um that had COVID.
So it's it's a serious deal. And so you know,
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as a as a person, and when I go out,
you know, I'm following all the measures or you know,
keeping all my distances, wearing my mask. They're just doing
all the protocol stuff because we just can't. Although we
aggravated a little bit, you know, trying to get back
to normal, and I want to be there, You want
to be there, Everyone does just that. At this point,
we just got to continue the write thing until we
can come up with a beating. Get this little virus
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behind us right now. It's no, it's no point for nobody.
I'm so glad you said that. I think it's so
important that people hear that from people like you. M
I too, I lost my dad and to May up
in New Jersey from COVID. So I am just I'm
sorry about your loss, but I'm really I'm really glad
to hear you say that, because I think we need
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more people to hear those stories. But also just to
be reminded this is serious. You think, mad and sorry
about your loss as will appreciate that. Brother, Um, you know,
speaking of that, and then before we get talking about
the field and what's going on with football in the
state of the NFL, you talk about that, and you know,
players like Dak Prescott and Aaron Rodgers and Hayden Hurst
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with the Falcons now talk. You know, it's important and
for players like you, former players like you to come
out and talk about some of these adversities. Life is
challenging right now for so many of us, as you
pointed out, and those guys talk about it's important to talk.
It's important to to talk about mental health and stuff
like that. Do you find being a former you know,
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Falcon's legend when you're at the store where you're out
talking to your neighbor or whatever it may be, you know,
people look up to you. Do you find do you
feel like that's really important that you talk about that
and have that conversation and just you know, how does
that make me feel? You know what? I think you
I do it because you know, people hear from me
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and they just they can see how as a former
player or a local celebrity here and and they see
I'm dealing with the same thing and they're dealing with
you know, from social injustice to everything that happened and
this crazy year twenty twenty. But it's good to have
conversation with my neighbors, with fellows, teammate, mem go out
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and play golf with a lot of different people and
we get to chat about, you know, what's going on
in America right now, and they hear that point of view,
then hear my point of view, and you get into dialogue,
and then you get to understand each other better and
see why we feel the way we feel. So it's
now being negative comes to side of it. I think
a lot of positive come out of it when you
get to share your opinions and your thoughts and how
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it is affecting not only me personally, how aspecting the
community and um, And I think it makes a ton
of difference. More so to sit back and being told
of critical with one point of view. You let them
listen to their point of view and they hear my
point of view, and that way everyone's on the same page.
And I think as a community you grow, you grow
like that. So so that's pretty cool to, you know,
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sit out there and let people know that not only
expecting you, it is affecting me, expecting everybody. That's an
awesome message, and it is It's important to listen. It's
important to have those sometimes uncomfortable conversations. Absolutely, and that's
the only way we're going to progress. And I'm that's
that's awesome. I'm glad you brought that up to Wow.
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Good stuff. Well listen, um, let's switch to the field
a little bit here and talk a little football. And
I asked Harry Douglas, former wide receiver, was on last
week and game. He had an interesting take being a receiver,
and I really want to ask you this, being a
former linebacker and playing defense, what do you make of
the NFL right now? In all these high scoring games?
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It's been okay when season first started, you know, with
COVID and everything else. There's no preseason. Yeah, and obviously
allow of the winter workouts got cut, but it seems
like the offense was ahead of the defense because you know,
they were able to do like seven on seven fast
and stuff like that. But as a defensive player, it's
hard to assimulate life tackling, hard to assimulate everyone running
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to the football. You know, everybody's taken care of responsibilities,
and so you I think they're behind a little bit
when the season first started a week one, week two,
week three, week four, and now it started to catch
up because right now it's been offensively, it has been
so many points scored, so many TV scored, and even
looking at the Falcons, now, I think the deepense have
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not I've been clicking at all. And then all of
a sudden, you see this week and things just turned around,
like the life abub just came on. And so I'm
thinking now the Falcons as the defensive unity, you know,
they don't continue to play better because now they're getting
the confidence back, they're feeling more like in game shape.
You know, your four preseason games, the four games of
the season, although you hate to go oh and four
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and oin five, but now I think that's behind them
now and I think they've played much better football. Interesting,
So to stay on that topic real quick, do you
I want to ask you too about the empty stadiums
or twenty capacity uh stadiums. As as a former player,
did you ever play in an empty stadium and even
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going back to your high school days and how much
does that how much? How much does that affect you
as a players? You know, is there really a home
field advantage anymore at this point? You know, as a player,
you love the fan base. I mean, you love to
play at home. You love to hear the cheers. You
love to hear just like coming to the stadium and
send the telegates and you're sending the jerseys and you're
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smelling barbecue in the air. You know, as a player,
I want the fans to know that we appreciate all
that because that we know it's game d You know,
it's not not a practice game day. So I can
imagine that what the current players almost feel like you're
going to rehearsal or practice more so than being fired
up for the game until the game starts. And when
the game starts, you're sort of like you don't even
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realize that fans are in the stadium now because you've
got a job to do and the emotion burning. You're
tired of everything just burning on the inside. You're trying
to make plays and that part of it handle itself,
you know. But it's just by being a professional. But
you know, playing in the stadium is tough, yea. And
particularly when you go from city to city and then
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when you come home, it's hard to tell whether you
have a home field advantage or not. Well, let me
ask you this. Being a linebacker, do you think quarterbacks,
especially on those third down situations or if it's fourth
and short, do they have an advantage you know when
they come to the line of scrimmage or does it
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like hey, if you're paying attention as a as a defender,
you know it's it's it's it's you know, equal footing
or what's your take on it. I think boys control
is big in the NFL, and when the crowd's not
there and they're boys echoes throughout the whole stadium, and
when they hit the high news and high cadens, and defensively,
you already triggered to fire off when you see the
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ball move and there's something about you feel like somebody
you're trying to hold back, but someone pushing you in
the back, you know what I mean, You're trying to
get that motor started. And so I think it's a
disadvantage to the defensive players and more of an advantage
to the quarterback offensive players. And so that's ten point yes,
And then you know, then you get used to it.
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I think after the first couple of weeks, teams at
that point should adapted to it. Then shouldn't be new advantage. Okay, yeah,
I mean they obviously they know the snap count in
the cadence and everything like that. But if you're eating
your keys and you're watching the ball, like you said,
at some point, you gotta drill that into your head, right,
that's correct. Well. The other trend I want to ask
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you about and get your take on too, is just
you know, you mentioned you know, no preseason games and
in starting slow. What do you make of all the injuries?
I mean, you watch that game last night with the
Cardinals and the Cowboys. The Cowboys basically their entire offensive
line when Zach Martin went out was a completely different
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offensive line than they had four or five months ago.
I mean that and I'm sorry, Matt, but you absolutely correct.
I think without the training, without the preseason, it's something
about the human body have to build this step up
to conditioning and almost like you can train as hard
as you want to for four or five months without
hitting anybody, without changing the direction, without getting pushed or
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pulled or thrown one we or another your body and
just all make me jump into it from a dead
stop to dead going full speed. And I think that's
what happened this year. And when I think all the
injuries in like week one, week two, week three, and
even now, Um, there's something about football. Football is the
most physical sport you can play, and it's and hidden people.
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It's not natural and all Biden would really wasn't made
for that. And our Biden had to learn how to
protect ourselves and put ourselves in a great position. And
you do it so much that you could becomes You
get on a routine how to protect yourself. But it
ain't something that's come naturally. That was carrial from year
to year to year to all the years you don't
play some high schools and college, you know, you had
to train on that every year because at the side
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of brain works that was a cage. Why would you
ever go to practice? Be a professional, you should be
able to play all the time. But it doesn't work
that way. You have to be in football ship. And
you know I don't that's not the that maybe not
the reason that all the interviews are happening, but I
probably have something to do with it it for sure. Yeah,
I want to get your take on that, because you know,
there's there's an argument out there that, hey, based on
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what's happened this year presey, all that talk about getting
rid of the preseason, right, that's dead, right, But I
would think so, I would think you can't get rid
of preseason totally. You know, maybe say play two preseason games, um,
you know where you can narrow it down instead of
playing four. But I think fans and players and everyone
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in the coaches, I think they see how important it
really is to have a Yeah, and even those inter squad,
inter team squad and scrimmages, when you have two totally different,
that's totally that. I think so too. You can scrimmages
within yourself, but it's different when you go in and
get an opponent and you try to simulate the game
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day atmosphere. Sometimes you get more motivated to hit someone
different than hitting your teammates all the time. Yeah, and
then you know, and then there's that I don't know
who it was it told me that said that, you know,
starters only playing about twelve percent or or something something
small when it comes to the preseason anyway, but it's
still something, right, I mean, it's still something. And that's
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why I would think the two preseason game will be
ideal because I would love for a start to come
in and playing that first preseason maybe a quarter that
last preseason game player half and then that's it and
get them out and now that more tuned up. And
I know owners and the coaches that worried about injuries,
but you got to put yourself in the fire a
little bit and then get your body radio. Then a
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week one, you know, you can turn on and be
full speed. Yeah. The other the other thing we didn't
you know, I didn't want to go too far into this,
but you know, you know, as a guy like you
though coming up, you know, when you came up from
you know, the tiny school, and you needed that preseason
right and you needed that, no doubt, you needed that.
We talked about this last time you're on. You needed
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to have those reps and to prove yourself need the
reps and Matt that that's no joke, no a lot
about that. If I would have came in from but
I Also State University in two thousand and twenty, I
probably would not make the football teams because I wouldn't
have had the opportunity show coaches that I can actually
play and how physical I was. I was, I was
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playing and not only at practice but in games, and
it'd have been so difficult. So if didn't, if it
hurt anybody has hurt the load round draft guys, the
free agents, and a limit opportunity for guys to come
in and try to make a football team. If they
don't make the at of Falcons football team, they would
be seen on tape and have opportunity to make someone
else team. And I think that's the biggest drawback, you know,
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for guys who who not drafted high and just trying
to make a name for themselves. You know what, can
you imagine anybody listening to this? Can you imagine the
Atlanta Falcons without number fifty eight ever having played? Can
you imagine the Falcons without the hammer? That's why we absolutely,
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I like gotta have preseason as I would have done
anything for a preseason game this year, I gotta tell
you so, I don't no doubt about it, you know,
but once it's the biggest thing I think. I mean,
I do take my head alps in the NFL. Just
getting the season started, Oh it was. It was something
that no one could anticipated, you know, from the owner
to the coaches of the players, for sure. And right
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now we still be there. You know, we still they
got to fight through the season because there's new cases,
you know, each and every day, each and every week,
and luckily does not have been having me any one
who've been. Really it's sick, and we just very fortunate
about that. Yeah, we are really fortunate there. Um, it's
crazy when you think about there are teams that have
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played after traveling the same day. It's crazy when you
think about two Monday night games. It's crazy thing about
a Tuesday night game. I know, it's it's but they're
they're doing it and they're making it work. And yeah,
kudos and hopefully this thing does not get worse. I
totally agree with that. Yeah, all right, well let's talk
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a little bit more defense. Um, you know the Falcons,
you you referenced it, and they finally got clicking on Sunday.
And you know they for whatever reasons, through the first
four or five games, they weren't three first half turnovers.
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Um On Kirk Cousins got everything going. It was a long, tough,
emotional week because of last Sunday, they got rid of
their they parted ways with Dan Quinn, head coach and
Thomas Mtrough. Uh, you know, too well respected and you
know their coach was beloved by everybody in the organization.
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You played, you played under Dan Reeves, June Jones, Jerry Glanfell,
I'm looking at my list, I'm cheating Jerry, Jim Hannafan,
and Marion Campbell. But in nineteen eighty nine, the Falcons
made a midseason switch from Jim Hanafan to Maryon Campbell
after the after starting oh and four. Um so, right
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through this, you've been through this. What so let me
ask you. You know, you can just speak from your
your experiences, but when you lose your leader, so to speak,
you're your coach, the guy you go to battle for
every Sunday, that's you know, that's giving you those talks
and everything like that. And right, and then they're gone.
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You got a new one. Yeah, how do you channel
those emotions? How do you what's going through your head
as a player. But it's tough because you know, the
game is the emotional game, it's the physical game, and
you put so much time and effort into it. And
your head coach is really old leader, and you look
you look up to him. Not only you try to
play hard for yourself and play hard for the team,
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but you also want to play part for him. You know. Unfortunately, right,
I played for five different head coaches, and I had
this talk with Jared Um a few weeks ago, and
you know, well last week when dan Quinn will let go,
I said, look, I know you're down and out. Everyone
loved dan Quinn as a professional. You got to go
out there and continue to play hard. It's happened to
me one time before and right in the middle of
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a season. But you have to stay focused and go
out there and continue to play hard because if you
don't do it, you don't have your other teammates looking
at you. And then you got to be you gotta
set an example and continue to fight because you've been
playing great all year long and you your play level.
You need to bring up the teammates play level and
it'll come up. You can't get down in the dumb on.
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The best way to go down is up. So we
had to long talk about, you know, playing for a
different coach during the middle season, and I think way
the players reacted and responded, you know it Coach Morrison
this past week, it was awesome. So I'm quite sure
you know, they wanted to go out there and give
the personal best and they wanted to give a w
when you get that first win. I don't care. I
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guarantee that locker room, they felt like it was a
sense of exhaling a little bit, like wow, man, just
feels good to have one win, just one. You know,
you're one to five, but on the inside of your
body feel great because of your fighters six weeks just
to get that one win. And now you're on a
different head coach in a different scenario. So right now,
I think guys want to play jess as hard for
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coach Morris as they did for Dan Quinn and we'll
see what happens. Yeah. Interesting, that's that's a great take.
And I agree with everything you said too, And and
you know, in talking to Harry Douglas last week. He said,
and I want to get your take on this is
he said, you know, when there's a change like that,
you know, some players feel like that they're auditioning. They're
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auditioning for the new coach, the future, possibly a future
coach unless they keep winning games under Ricky Morris, who
you know, we all hope he he goes loving and
oh and uh, but you you know the microscope is
on is here, let's get it. You're taking every every
player has been evaluated, just like every assistant coach from
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this point on with this seed, they've been evaluated because
at the end of the year, you don't know what's
gonna happen when the coach is going to come in.
Um and and you know, and even if you're a
starter or a backup guy, you want to play as
hard as you possibly can, because that's how that's when
you when new guys come in, they're gonna evaluate you
and then and they're gonna say, well, do we like
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this guy who don't care if you're start or not?
We want to keep him? Who want to trade him?
Can't make can we go forward? Can we win? And
that's why every everybody, you know, from the quarterback down,
everybody need to continue to play hard. And he's sort
of feel like you're under microscope, because really you are.
You know, It's one thing about this league, the NFL
stamp and not for long. Nothing stays the same for long,
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and your career is not that long. So you guys
taken advantage of a situation. And I think this gives
the players, and particularly younger players, opportunities that hey, I
better do something pretty good and I better play pretty
hard because I know I'm being evaluated, just like just
like the bedroom. So um, overall, is there something good
come from something bad? Yes, I think it does. You know,
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we all love then dan Quinn a great guy. And
now but even with that him being gone right now,
I think a team is still they guy to play
just as hard and and I'm quite sure they do that. Yeah,
Rahey Morris is a great communicator, a great motivator and
just a great guy, much like dan Quinn. And so yeah,
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all you can do is hope that the you know,
they're pros and so they're gonna fight and they're gonna
you know, every game's like you said, is like is
a resume? Is a is a living, breathing resume for
these guys. So absolutely, that's yeah. Um, well, one thing
I definitely want to point out was it was the
last time that you were on the team was one
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in seven and you talked about how in nineteen ninety
seven Falcons were also one in seven, Absolutely, and you
talked about what happened at that point and how the
team went six and two down the stretch. Yep, And
the next year you guys went fourteen and two to
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a Super Bowl. Absolutely, this team last year also went
six and two down the stretch. It was crazy and
it was you know, I don't know what happened in
that locker room. Dan Quinn makes made some great decisions
and they shifted some things, but you talked about what
happened with you in that team, and you know, obviously
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they're not going to go fourteen and two this year,
but they're still they're one in oh under Raheem Morris.
The ten games to go a lot of football, But
talk about that moment again because it was just a great,
great moment in franchise history, but also for you, and
then just if you can't just kind of and then
just talk about the mindset of the player right now.
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As far as looking at the final final ten games Man,
nineteen ninety seven, you're right, we started season up one
and seven. It got on a big role towent the
second half of the season, and Ben's really stroll. We
took that momentum right into nineteen ninety eight. In nineteen
ninety eight, you know, we started two and I would
lose one and then all of a sudden, Man, we
just take off. And winning is like losing. It's snowballs.
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If you once you start winning games, it just continued snowball.
And no one would have expected us to go fourteen
in two in nineteen ninety eight and all which in
the NFC Championship, winning that and then the Super Bowl
thirty three. It was like a magic rise for all
of us, particular for me as a bid on the
team for twelve years at that point at that particular time.
So there's always hope. And then that same story, like
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you mentioned there, what happened to the Falcon last year,
how they started the finishing strong, you know, winning six
out of the last eight. Start the season here, now
you went, you go oh and five, and now you
behind yourself at the one to five. I think they
can build from this point that it's a part of history.
You can see it happened before. Let's snowball right now.
From this point and all goes, all goes to win
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eighty percent of the game, it's winning. We would love
to win them all. But somehow you can just come.
You know, Ben's this season off super strong. Whether you
get to the playoffs or not, don't work about it,
because you have to build from that point. And that's
how you build it. Because every year it's a big difference.
A year change so fast and so quick. We don't
know what respect in twenty twenty twenty one. So there's
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a lot to game, and but that's more to lose
if you fall in the trap of not believing that
you can win. And I think when people say, well,
what do you mean by that, I say, well, to me,
I think when you go out and when you approach
the game on game day, you know one team's gonna
lose and the other is gonna win. But the biggest
difference you're winning when you have a lead and don't
have a lead you get to the fourth quarter. Are
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you trying to win? Are you trying not to lose.
And there's a big difference when you think about it.
If you play in the win, you put it on
the line at all costs, no matter what happened, no
bad thoughts, go win the football game. You got a lead,
and now you're trying not to lose, to get a
little soft, a little scared, and the back of your mind,
something crazy is gonna happen. Is gonna lose this football game.
The mentality is everything, and sometimes it's not tenuable. You
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can't see that, but you can feel it on the inside.
And I think that little mindset would take you a
long wave where to play to win at all costs,
play to win, and then and then hopefully they can
turn the season around. It's awesome. You know what I
said a year ago, Man, I want to run through
a wall after I got done talking to you, And
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but do you let me ask you this? And then
I and then I know you got obligations, and I again,
I really really appreciate you coming out and carving out problem.
People got to find out what's going on in the
nest and absolutely absolute, um, do you let me as
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a player? You hear this said a lot, But are
you just trying to go one and oh every week?
Do you just forget about the one and five and
forget about that you got ten games? Do you just
say all we care about is just going one and
oh this week? Is that real thing? Yep, that's a
good point. And um, you know as a player and
even a coach that they'll talk about the same thing
when they're addressing the players. That is the most important
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thing for this week. Of this week, the most important
things for the Falcon was just coming game next week
and that thing. If you stay focused like that, you know,
it makes thing a little simpler because really you can't
worry about what's gonna happen down the line. You just
got to take care of what's going on this week.
What happened in the last first six weeks of the
season right now, you just got to learn from that.
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That's something you can learn from. Learn from it and
look at the errors you made and just look how
you played. And if I was the Falcon player right now,
I was just looking at my game tape just happened,
you know, against Minnesota, and compare my stef what I've
been doing the first couple of weeks of the season.
It looked totally different. I looked at the linebackers and
I watched the defense because I watched Jared a lot.
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Looking at the linebackers and and Foyer, and I think,
da and I think, ain't about to play the best game?
I mean, yeah I did. It's not only in bat
getting the interceptions, but the way they attacked the line
of sprim when it ran to the football. Where's that been?
I haven't seen that and that excitement, like how the
body and language was looking on the flo football field,
not scared to gonna make a mistake, but more more
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intense they I'm about to go make him play. And
that's the count oftep. I look as a former player,
I'm watching different individuals and I think, you know, you
got the guys like um um Neil Neil coming up
and he's he's bringing some kids. I mean he is
hitting the line streams like a linebacker. And the Kenyan
I said, what man, you had a lot of hammer
hits out there. And that was so cool to watch
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the watch the defense play aggressive. I mean, that's what
it's all about. And well, you know, I got ex
sighted just about watching little things like that. So so yes,
that's their whole place, not a fat team. All the
fans out there, and I'm telling you this, these mens
can play now. They getting more relaxed. They through the preseason, okay,
and it's you know, it's a tough start and uh
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and you know right now one to five, you just
got to continue with hard and and believe it you
can go out there make There were definitely some hammer
hits up in many Aapolis, uh, Sunday, that is for sure.
Um and uh, this was great having some hammer time
with you, and so I appreciate you coming out. Hopefully
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we can get you on again. And uh, I know
you gotta go close that pool up and more swim
in first. But it's beautiful out but h Jesse, great
to see you. Man. Hey man, I do appreciate you, man,
and thanks for having me on Burden. Well, I appreciate it.
All right. We'll have to get those T shirts made
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and get you get you a box. They always staying
for him with what's going on in the net. All right,
I love it. Hey, take care all right mate, you too,
You know, the Falcons played some great defense against the
Vikings on Sunday, so it's only fitting that we get
one of the best defenders to ever suit up in
the Falcons uniform today. Jesse Tuggle forever number fifty eight
in the hearts of Falcons fans everywhere. Welcome back to
Bird Noises. Hey, thanks a loving man. I appreciate you
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having me back here. It's good to see you. Man.
You know, the last time when you were on I
told you this, and I mean it, not only did
you have the best nickname ever for a linebacker, but
you earned it. Man, you were even the hammer. You
earned it. And hey, man, you know what, I do
appreciate that because when I was out there on the
practice field or in the games, or anytime I wanted
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to compete, I wanted to be the most physical player
on the football field, and that helped me a time.
It motivated me to earn that nickname to Himmer. Well,
you earned it. You're in the Ring of Honor. You
should be in the Hall of Fame. We'll get to
that down the road, and I'm going to start leading
that campaign here soon. You mean, we need to get
we need to get you and Tommy Nobles into the hall,
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no doubt about it. Oh. Man, boy, that really chapped
me when he didn't get in. But me too. Man,
I'll be honest with you. You know, it's a personal accomplishment,
But I would rather see Tommy go in before I
go in, because that's the type of person he really was.
For the Atlanta Falcons and the player, he was unbelievable
and my whole career, he didn't say nothing but positive
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things about my about my play. So um that being said,
and he and right now he's well missed. Yeah, you
gotta get mister Falcon in right Oh yeah, no doubt. Well, listen,
you know where I'm gonna go with this before we
get started. Does the Hammer still love the name Bird
Noises or if you kind of soured on it or what? Oh?
I love it, man it most I think that nickname
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might be better than my nickname. You gotta hear. People
want to hear what's going on the side the next man.
You gotta hear the noise. So I think you're doing
The fans are great justice And this is about getting
coaches and players here, you know, just to talk about it.
And it's don't getting in better than that. I think
you just gave us a slogan and a T shirt.
Keep what's going on inside the nest? There? You good man?
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We had goody mob on here and see low Green
wanted to call bird, but that's another story I understand.
So listen, you look great. How the heck are you?
I've been great, man. You know, things been going good.
You know it's been a tough twenty twenty for everybody,
but you make the best of it. You know. Physically
I feel pretty good. You know. I have all the
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bumps and bruises. Got over a serious knee injury as
far as need replacement about two years ago. I don't
run anymore, but I'm able to swim a little bit
just to keep my conditioning. So they have some tony.
Swimming is good swimming. You work everything and it's easy
on the joints. Are we are? We indoor swimming or
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outdoor swimming? Outdoor swimming. So it's getting close to the
end of mine. Playing in the food falls is almost here,
so I think this would be my last week. We're
in the seventies, so I think this would be my
last week, man, So I got to get it in. Yeah,
I was gonna say those pool, that pool can't be
too seamy at this point with the with the weather
we've been having, but that's possibly. They thank you so
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COVID though. Everybody's good, healthy, everybody's healthy, family, and yeah,
I know, yeah, go ahead. You know, I grew up
right here, you know, in the state, and obviously we
knew all the outbreaks that aren't happening here and here
in the state of Georgia. But unfortunately, I have a
cousin who who recent past man um that had COVID.
So it's it's a serious deal. And so you know,
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as a as a person, and when I go out,
you know, I'm following all the measures or you know,
keeping all my distances, wearing my mask. They're just doing
all the protocol stuff because we just can't. Although we
aggravated a little bit, you know, trying to get back
to normal, and I want to be there, You want
to be there, Everyone does just that. At this point,
we just got to continue the write thing until we
can come up with a beating. Get this little virus
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behind us right now. It's no, it's no point for nobody.
I'm so glad you said that. I think it's so
important that people hear that from people like you. M
I too, I lost my dad and to May up
in New Jersey from COVID. So I am just I'm
sorry about your loss, but I'm really I'm really glad
to hear you say that, because I think we need
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more people to hear those stories. But also just to
be reminded this is serious. You think, mad and sorry
about your loss as will appreciate that. Brother, Um, you know,
speaking of that, and then before we get talking about
the field and what's going on with football in the
state of the NFL, you talk about that, and you know,
players like Dak Prescott and Aaron Rodgers and Hayden Hurst
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with the Falcons now talk. You know, it's important and
for players like you, former players like you to come
out and talk about some of these adversities. Life is
challenging right now for so many of us, as you
pointed out, and those guys talk about it's important to talk.
It's important to to talk about mental health and stuff
like that. Do you find being a former you know,
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Falcon's legend when you're at the store where you're out
talking to your neighbor or whatever it may be, you know,
people look up to you. Do you find do you
feel like that's really important that you talk about that
and have that conversation and just you know, how does
that make me feel? You know what? I think you
I do it because you know, people hear from me
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and they just they can see how as a former
player or a local celebrity here and and they see
I'm dealing with the same thing and they're dealing with
you know, from social injustice to everything that happened and
this crazy year twenty twenty. But it's good to have
conversation with my neighbors, with fellows, teammate, mem go out
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and play golf with a lot of different people and
we get to chat about, you know, what's going on
in America right now, and they hear that point of view,
then hear my point of view, and you get into dialogue,
and then you get to understand each other better and
see why we feel the way we feel. So it's
now being negative comes to side of it. I think
a lot of positive come out of it when you
get to share your opinions and your thoughts and how
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it is affecting not only me personally, how aspecting the
community and um, And I think it makes a ton
of difference. More so to sit back and being told
of critical with one point of view. You let them
listen to their point of view and they hear my
point of view, and that way everyone's on the same page.
And I think as a community you grow, you grow
like that. So so that's pretty cool to, you know,
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sit out there and let people know that not only
expecting you, it is affecting me, expecting everybody. That's an
awesome message, and it is It's important to listen. It's
important to have those sometimes uncomfortable conversations. Absolutely, and that's
the only way we're going to progress. And I'm that's
that's awesome. I'm glad you brought that up to Wow.
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Good stuff. Well listen, um, let's switch to the field
a little bit here and talk a little football. And
I asked Harry Douglas, former wide receiver, was on last
week and game. He had an interesting take being a receiver,
and I really want to ask you this, being a
former linebacker and playing defense, what do you make of
the NFL right now? In all these high scoring games?
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It's been okay when season first started, you know, with
COVID and everything else. There's no preseason. Yeah, and obviously
allow of the winter workouts got cut, but it seems
like the offense was ahead of the defense because you know,
they were able to do like seven on seven fast
and stuff like that. But as a defensive player, it's
hard to assimulate life tackling, hard to assimulate everyone running
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to the football. You know, everybody's taken care of responsibilities,
and so you I think they're behind a little bit
when the season first started a week one, week two,
week three, week four, and now it started to catch
up because right now it's been offensively, it has been
so many points scored, so many TV scored, and even
looking at the Falcons, now, I think the deepense have
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not I've been clicking at all. And then all of
a sudden, you see this week and things just turned around,
like the life abub just came on. And so I'm
thinking now the Falcons as the defensive unity, you know,
they don't continue to play better because now they're getting
the confidence back, they're feeling more like in game shape.
You know, your four preseason games, the four games of
the season, although you hate to go oh and four
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and oin five, but now I think that's behind them
now and I think they've played much better football. Interesting,
So to stay on that topic real quick, do you
I want to ask you too about the empty stadiums
or twenty capacity uh stadiums. As as a former player,
did you ever play in an empty stadium and even
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going back to your high school days and how much
does that how much? How much does that affect you
as a players? You know, is there really a home
field advantage anymore at this point? You know, as a player,
you love the fan base. I mean, you love to
play at home. You love to hear the cheers. You
love to hear just like coming to the stadium and
send the telegates and you're sending the jerseys and you're
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smelling barbecue in the air. You know, as a player,
I want the fans to know that we appreciate all
that because that we know it's game d You know,
it's not not a practice game day. So I can
imagine that what the current players almost feel like you're
going to rehearsal or practice more so than being fired
up for the game until the game starts. And when
the game starts, you're sort of like you don't even
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realize that fans are in the stadium now because you've
got a job to do and the emotion burning. You're
tired of everything just burning on the inside. You're trying
to make plays and that part of it handle itself,
you know. But it's just by being a professional. But
you know, playing in the stadium is tough, yea. And
particularly when you go from city to city and then
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when you come home, it's hard to tell whether you
have a home field advantage or not. Well, let me
ask you this. Being a linebacker, do you think quarterbacks,
especially on those third down situations or if it's fourth
and short, do they have an advantage you know when
they come to the line of scrimmage or does it
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like hey, if you're paying attention as a as a defender,
you know it's it's it's it's you know, equal footing
or what's your take on it. I think boys control
is big in the NFL, and when the crowd's not
there and they're boys echoes throughout the whole stadium, and
when they hit the high news and high cadens, and defensively,
you already triggered to fire off when you see the
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ball move and there's something about you feel like somebody
you're trying to hold back, but someone pushing you in
the back, you know what I mean, You're trying to
get that motor started. And so I think it's a
disadvantage to the defensive players and more of an advantage
to the quarterback offensive players. And so that's ten point yes,
And then you know, then you get used to it.
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I think after the first couple of weeks, teams at
that point should adapted to it. Then shouldn't be new advantage. Okay, yeah,
I mean they obviously they know the snap count in
the cadence and everything like that. But if you're eating
your keys and you're watching the ball, like you said,
at some point, you gotta drill that into your head, right,
that's correct. Well. The other trend I want to ask
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you about and get your take on too, is just
you know, you mentioned you know, no preseason games and
in starting slow. What do you make of all the injuries?
I mean, you watch that game last night with the
Cardinals and the Cowboys. The Cowboys basically their entire offensive
line when Zach Martin went out was a completely different
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offensive line than they had four or five months ago.
I mean that and I'm sorry, Matt, but you absolutely correct.
I think without the training, without the preseason, it's something
about the human body have to build this step up
to conditioning and almost like you can train as hard
as you want to for four or five months without
hitting anybody, without changing the direction, without getting pushed or
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pulled or thrown one we or another your body and
just all make me jump into it from a dead
stop to dead going full speed. And I think that's
what happened this year. And when I think all the
injuries in like week one, week two, week three, and
even now, Um, there's something about football. Football is the
most physical sport you can play, and it's and hidden people.
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It's not natural and all Biden would really wasn't made
for that. And our Biden had to learn how to
protect ourselves and put ourselves in a great position. And
you do it so much that you could becomes You
get on a routine how to protect yourself. But it
ain't something that's come naturally. That was carrial from year
to year to year to all the years you don't
play some high schools and college, you know, you had
to train on that every year because at the side
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of brain works that was a cage. Why would you
ever go to practice? Be a professional, you should be
able to play all the time. But it doesn't work
that way. You have to be in football ship. And
you know I don't that's not the that maybe not
the reason that all the interviews are happening, but I
probably have something to do with it it for sure. Yeah,
I want to get your take on that, because you know,
there's there's an argument out there that, hey, based on
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what's happened this year presey, all that talk about getting
rid of the preseason, right, that's dead, right, But I
would think so, I would think you can't get rid
of preseason totally. You know, maybe say play two preseason games, um,
you know where you can narrow it down instead of
playing four. But I think fans and players and everyone
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in the coaches, I think they see how important it
really is to have a Yeah, and even those inter squad,
inter team squad and scrimmages, when you have two totally different,
that's totally that. I think so too. You can scrimmages
within yourself, but it's different when you go in and
get an opponent and you try to simulate the game
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day atmosphere. Sometimes you get more motivated to hit someone
different than hitting your teammates all the time. Yeah, and
then you know, and then there's that I don't know
who it was it told me that said that, you know,
starters only playing about twelve percent or or something something
small when it comes to the preseason anyway, but it's
still something, right, I mean, it's still something. And that's
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why I would think the two preseason game will be
ideal because I would love for a start to come
in and playing that first preseason maybe a quarter that
last preseason game player half and then that's it and
get them out and now that more tuned up. And
I know owners and the coaches that worried about injuries,
but you got to put yourself in the fire a
little bit and then get your body radio. Then a
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week one, you know, you can turn on and be
full speed. Yeah. The other the other thing we didn't
you know, I didn't want to go too far into this,
but you know, you know, as a guy like you
though coming up, you know, when you came up from
you know, the tiny school, and you needed that preseason
right and you needed that, no doubt, you needed that.
We talked about this last time you're on. You needed
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to have those reps and to prove yourself need the
reps and Matt that that's no joke, no a lot
about that. If I would have came in from but
I Also State University in two thousand and twenty, I
probably would not make the football teams because I wouldn't
have had the opportunity show coaches that I can actually
play and how physical I was. I was, I was
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playing and not only at practice but in games, and
it'd have been so difficult. So if didn't, if it
hurt anybody has hurt the load round draft guys, the
free agents, and a limit opportunity for guys to come
in and try to make a football team. If they
don't make the at of Falcons football team, they would
be seen on tape and have opportunity to make someone
else team. And I think that's the biggest drawback, you know,
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for guys who who not drafted high and just trying
to make a name for themselves. You know what, can
you imagine anybody listening to this? Can you imagine the
Atlanta Falcons without number fifty eight ever having played? Can
you imagine the Falcons without the hammer? That's why we absolutely,
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I like gotta have preseason as I would have done
anything for a preseason game this year, I gotta tell
you so, I don't no doubt about it, you know,
but once it's the biggest thing I think. I mean,
I do take my head alps in the NFL. Just
getting the season started, Oh it was. It was something
that no one could anticipated, you know, from the owner
to the coaches of the players, for sure. And right
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now we still be there. You know, we still they
got to fight through the season because there's new cases,
you know, each and every day, each and every week,
and luckily does not have been having me any one
who've been. Really it's sick, and we just very fortunate
about that. Yeah, we are really fortunate there. Um, it's
crazy when you think about there are teams that have
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played after traveling the same day. It's crazy when you
think about two Monday night games. It's crazy thing about
a Tuesday night game. I know, it's it's but they're
they're doing it and they're making it work. And yeah,
kudos and hopefully this thing does not get worse. I
totally agree with that. Yeah, all right, well let's talk
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a little bit more defense. Um, you know the Falcons,
you you referenced it, and they finally got clicking on Sunday.
And you know they for whatever reasons, through the first
four or five games, they weren't three first half turnovers.
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Um On Kirk Cousins got everything going. It was a long, tough,
emotional week because of last Sunday, they got rid of
their they parted ways with Dan Quinn, head coach and
Thomas Mtrough. Uh, you know, too well respected and you
know their coach was beloved by everybody in the organization.
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You played, you played under Dan Reeves, June Jones, Jerry Glanfell,
I'm looking at my list, I'm cheating Jerry, Jim Hannafan,
and Marion Campbell. But in nineteen eighty nine, the Falcons
made a midseason switch from Jim Hanafan to Maryon Campbell
after the after starting oh and four. Um so, right
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through this, you've been through this. What so let me
ask you. You know, you can just speak from your
your experiences, but when you lose your leader, so to speak,
you're your coach, the guy you go to battle for
every Sunday, that's you know, that's giving you those talks
and everything like that. And right, and then they're gone.
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You got a new one. Yeah, how do you channel
those emotions? How do you what's going through your head
as a player. But it's tough because you know, the
game is the emotional game, it's the physical game, and
you put so much time and effort into it. And
your head coach is really old leader, and you look
you look up to him. Not only you try to
play hard for yourself and play hard for the team,
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but you also want to play part for him. You know. Unfortunately, right,
I played for five different head coaches, and I had
this talk with Jared Um a few weeks ago, and
you know, well last week when dan Quinn will let go,
I said, look, I know you're down and out. Everyone
loved dan Quinn as a professional. You got to go
out there and continue to play hard. It's happened to
me one time before and right in the middle of
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a season. But you have to stay focused and go
out there and continue to play hard because if you
don't do it, you don't have your other teammates looking
at you. And then you got to be you gotta
set an example and continue to fight because you've been
playing great all year long and you your play level.
You need to bring up the teammates play level and
it'll come up. You can't get down in the dumb on.
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The best way to go down is up. So we
had to long talk about, you know, playing for a
different coach during the middle season, and I think way
the players reacted and responded, you know it Coach Morrison
this past week, it was awesome. So I'm quite sure
you know, they wanted to go out there and give
the personal best and they wanted to give a w
when you get that first win. I don't care. I
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guarantee that locker room, they felt like it was a
sense of exhaling a little bit, like wow, man, just
feels good to have one win, just one. You know,
you're one to five, but on the inside of your
body feel great because of your fighters six weeks just
to get that one win. And now you're on a
different head coach in a different scenario. So right now,
I think guys want to play jess as hard for
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coach Morris as they did for Dan Quinn and we'll
see what happens. Yeah. Interesting, that's that's a great take.
And I agree with everything you said too, And and
you know, in talking to Harry Douglas last week. He said,
and I want to get your take on this is
he said, you know, when there's a change like that,
you know, some players feel like that they're auditioning. They're
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auditioning for the new coach, the future, possibly a future
coach unless they keep winning games under Ricky Morris, who
you know, we all hope he he goes loving and
oh and uh, but you you know the microscope is
on is here, let's get it. You're taking every every
player has been evaluated, just like every assistant coach from
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this point on with this seed, they've been evaluated because
at the end of the year, you don't know what's
gonna happen when the coach is going to come in.
Um and and you know, and even if you're a
starter or a backup guy, you want to play as
hard as you possibly can, because that's how that's when
you when new guys come in, they're gonna evaluate you
and then and they're gonna say, well, do we like
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this guy who don't care if you're start or not?
We want to keep him? Who want to trade him?
Can't make can we go forward? Can we win? And
that's why every everybody, you know, from the quarterback down,
everybody need to continue to play hard. And he's sort
of feel like you're under microscope, because really you are.
You know, It's one thing about this league, the NFL
stamp and not for long. Nothing stays the same for long,
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and your career is not that long. So you guys
taken advantage of a situation. And I think this gives
the players, and particularly younger players, opportunities that hey, I
better do something pretty good and I better play pretty
hard because I know I'm being evaluated, just like just
like the bedroom. So um, overall, is there something good
come from something bad? Yes, I think it does. You know,
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we all love then dan Quinn a great guy. And
now but even with that him being gone right now,
I think a team is still they guy to play
just as hard and and I'm quite sure they do that. Yeah,
Rahey Morris is a great communicator, a great motivator and
just a great guy, much like dan Quinn. And so yeah,
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all you can do is hope that the you know,
they're pros and so they're gonna fight and they're gonna
you know, every game's like you said, is like is
a resume? Is a is a living, breathing resume for
these guys. So absolutely, that's yeah. Um, well, one thing
I definitely want to point out was it was the
last time that you were on the team was one
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in seven and you talked about how in nineteen ninety
seven Falcons were also one in seven, Absolutely, and you
talked about what happened at that point and how the
team went six and two down the stretch. Yep, And
the next year you guys went fourteen and two to
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a Super Bowl. Absolutely, this team last year also went
six and two down the stretch. It was crazy and
it was you know, I don't know what happened in
that locker room. Dan Quinn makes made some great decisions
and they shifted some things, but you talked about what
happened with you in that team, and you know, obviously
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they're not going to go fourteen and two this year,
but they're still they're one in oh under Raheem Morris.
The ten games to go a lot of football, But
talk about that moment again because it was just a great,
great moment in franchise history, but also for you, and
then just if you can't just kind of and then
just talk about the mindset of the player right now.
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As far as looking at the final final ten games Man,
nineteen ninety seven, you're right, we started season up one
and seven. It got on a big role towent the
second half of the season, and Ben's really stroll. We
took that momentum right into nineteen ninety eight. In nineteen
ninety eight, you know, we started two and I would
lose one and then all of a sudden, Man, we
just take off. And winning is like losing. It's snowballs.
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If you once you start winning games, it just continued snowball.
And no one would have expected us to go fourteen
in two in nineteen ninety eight and all which in
the NFC Championship, winning that and then the Super Bowl
thirty three. It was like a magic rise for all
of us, particular for me as a bid on the
team for twelve years at that point at that particular time.
So there's always hope. And then that same story, like
(24:32):
you mentioned there, what happened to the Falcon last year,
how they started the finishing strong, you know, winning six
out of the last eight. Start the season here, now
you went, you go oh and five, and now you
behind yourself at the one to five. I think they
can build from this point that it's a part of history.
You can see it happened before. Let's snowball right now.
From this point and all goes, all goes to win
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eighty percent of the game, it's winning. We would love
to win them all. But somehow you can just come.
You know, Ben's this season off super strong. Whether you
get to the playoffs or not, don't work about it,
because you have to build from that point. And that's
how you build it. Because every year it's a big difference.
A year change so fast and so quick. We don't
know what respect in twenty twenty twenty one. So there's
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a lot to game, and but that's more to lose
if you fall in the trap of not believing that
you can win. And I think when people say, well,
what do you mean by that, I say, well, to me,
I think when you go out and when you approach
the game on game day, you know one team's gonna
lose and the other is gonna win. But the biggest
difference you're winning when you have a lead and don't
have a lead you get to the fourth quarter. Are
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you trying to win? Are you trying not to lose.
And there's a big difference when you think about it.
If you play in the win, you put it on
the line at all costs, no matter what happened, no
bad thoughts, go win the football game. You got a lead,
and now you're trying not to lose, to get a
little soft, a little scared, and the back of your mind,
something crazy is gonna happen. Is gonna lose this football game.
The mentality is everything, and sometimes it's not tenuable. You
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can't see that, but you can feel it on the inside.
And I think that little mindset would take you a
long wave where to play to win at all costs,
play to win, and then and then hopefully they can
turn the season around. It's awesome. You know what I
said a year ago, Man, I want to run through
a wall after I got done talking to you, And
(26:21):
but do you let me ask you this? And then
I and then I know you got obligations, and I again,
I really really appreciate you coming out and carving out problem.
People got to find out what's going on in the
nest and absolutely absolute, um, do you let me as
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a player? You hear this said a lot, But are
you just trying to go one and oh every week?
Do you just forget about the one and five and
forget about that you got ten games? Do you just
say all we care about is just going one and
oh this week? Is that real thing? Yep, that's a
good point. And um, you know as a player and
even a coach that they'll talk about the same thing
when they're addressing the players. That is the most important
(27:04):
thing for this week. Of this week, the most important
things for the Falcon was just coming game next week
and that thing. If you stay focused like that, you know,
it makes thing a little simpler because really you can't
worry about what's gonna happen down the line. You just
got to take care of what's going on this week.
What happened in the last first six weeks of the
season right now, you just got to learn from that.
(27:25):
That's something you can learn from. Learn from it and
look at the errors you made and just look how
you played. And if I was the Falcon player right now,
I was just looking at my game tape just happened,
you know, against Minnesota, and compare my stef what I've
been doing the first couple of weeks of the season.
It looked totally different. I looked at the linebackers and
I watched the defense because I watched Jared a lot.
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Looking at the linebackers and and Foyer, and I think,
da and I think, ain't about to play the best game?
I mean, yeah I did. It's not only in bat
getting the interceptions, but the way they attacked the line
of sprim when it ran to the football. Where's that been?
I haven't seen that and that excitement, like how the
body and language was looking on the flo football field,
not scared to gonna make a mistake, but more more
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intense they I'm about to go make him play. And
that's the count oftep. I look as a former player,
I'm watching different individuals and I think, you know, you
got the guys like um um Neil Neil coming up
and he's he's bringing some kids. I mean he is
hitting the line streams like a linebacker. And the Kenyan
I said, what man, you had a lot of hammer
hits out there. And that was so cool to watch
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the watch the defense play aggressive. I mean, that's what
it's all about. And well, you know, I got ex
sighted just about watching little things like that. So so yes,
that's their whole place, not a fat team. All the
fans out there, and I'm telling you this, these mens
can play now. They getting more relaxed. They through the preseason, okay,
and it's you know, it's a tough start and uh
(28:50):
and you know right now one to five, you just
got to continue with hard and and believe it you
can go out there make There were definitely some hammer
hits up in many Aapolis, uh, Sunday, that is for sure.
Um and uh, this was great having some hammer time
with you, and so I appreciate you coming out. Hopefully
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we can get you on again. And uh, I know
you gotta go close that pool up and more swim
in first. But it's beautiful out but h Jesse, great
to see you. Man. Hey man, I do appreciate you, man,
and thanks for having me on Burden. Well, I appreciate it.
All right. We'll have to get those T shirts made
(29:33):
and get you get you a box. They always staying
for him with what's going on in the net. All right,
I love it. Hey, take care all right mate, you too,
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