Scott and Tori discuss what they learned during the Falcons offseason program, which concluded with a mandatory minicamp. That includes how Marcus Mariota and Desmond Ridder looked, Cordarrelle Patterson’s individual offseason program, Kyle Pitts, A.J. Terrell and practice news and notes Falcons fans need to know. Timecodes: (00:00:00): Intro; Erik Harris calls Scott out (00:03:14): Overall minicamp observations (00:12:12): What we saw from Falcons quarterbacks (00:19:00): Thoughts on Cordarrelle Patterson ramping up individually (00:20:50): Thoughts on secondary, receiver groups (00:26:05): Kyle Pitts and A.J. Terrell
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
What's up everybody, and welcome to it yet another edition
of The Falcon's Final Whistle podcast. I'm Scott Bart alongside
my partnering crime Tory mclaney. Yea, and we're here signing
your books. Getting ready to go on a little summer vacation.
K I t put the phone number in the back.
Make sure to sign next to a funny quote by
your name. Interesting. Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's
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what we're gonna do. We can. We might not see
each other in person for like a long time. That
is true, we may. And it was funny because I
was walking into the building today and all of the
players and the coaches were walking out and they're like,
have a good summer. Exactly, Okay, I'll see you when
we get back time the NFL offseason, which you would
think would be from the super Bowl to the start
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of training camp. We all know that, ain't it, between schedule,
release and draft and free agency, and honestly, we've been
working harder. Yeah, exactly, that's true heading into the offseason program,
which starts with strength and conditioning in April and carries
on through the mandatory minicamp, which just wrapped up the
on field portions of it on Wednesday Thursday as we
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were recording this. The players and Arthur Smith and the
coaching staff, they're all at top golf. I believe, yes,
she encin drives. Honestly, I'm kind of sad that I
didn't catch an inbot to that. I know I am
not good at golf by any means, but I would
love to just go hang, hit a few golf balls
and see who the best golfer of the team is.
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I feel like it's one of the coaches, but I know.
We were talking to Desmond Ritter the other day and
he said that he wants to get Marcus out there
and hit a few rounds. So we'll see. Here's the
funny part about that. That conversation got brought up in
the pressor with Marcus Mariota yesterday. Did it really? I
wasn't in that. Yeah, and he is such a I
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wouldn't say soft spoken, but he's a calm, even keel guy. Yeah,
he heard about the Ritter challenge and he basically said
he would love to play him. He's here, he hears
Ritter is very good. I don't know what handicapped numbers mean,
but I know that when he said his handicap. All
the golfers in the crowd wearing the golf shirts they want, ooh,
you're pretty good, and he's like, yeah, I can get around. Okay.
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So it's Marcus is the best one the team. We're
gonna go out on that limb. I think I'm willing
to say that. I'm also willing to say that Kyle
Pitts has only been playing since January and I think
has a very natural swing, and give him a year
or two and we might be able to have a
pretty good showdown at Shateau Alan or something like that.
I'm so down for that. Just put me in the
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golf court, like the golf cart. Yeah, Like, I won't play.
I'll just watch everybody. I can commentate the with the
truly in hand live stream Falcon's final whistle from the
golf course, with all this equipment on the back of
the cart, tor and Scott Wood whispering very quietly about
what's happening. Oh, I can't do I can't do that.
We already you're not good at that. Yeah okay, But
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I still think it's an idea on the agenda, maybe
we should actually talk about what went on this week.
That seems a little crazy. Um, I have a tough
time remembering what happened yesterday because it may have been
borderline heat stroke blackout situation for someone from California, and
we always talk about the dry heat and things like that. Yeah,
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and I'm from Georgia. And it was still brutal. It
was just thick with two seeds like it was thick
you could cut it with a knife. It really did
feel that way. I was on the sideline. And Casey Hayward,
who is from Perry, Georgia, so Middle Georgia, he knows
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he did in high school. He did two days where
you literally are have full pads on, You're going one
hundred and ten percent. Guys are probably passing out left
and right. Even he said, this is different. It was
a different type of heat. It was. And Arthur Smith,
who if you've seen this press conference, likes to take
gentle jabs and ribs at some members of the media
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walked around the field with about twenty minutes left, and
it was hot, and most everyone because the cameras can't
shoot practice to that point, why are the camera guys
and camera women standing out there. Of course they're going
to go back inside. But at one point there were
only two people standing outside in the sun. Yeah. We
were having a little pow wow underneath yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And we were underneath the tree and Dean Pease called
us out and I said, I was like, I don't
have a problem with like, it doesn't hurt my pride
to be soft. Like if y'all want to call me soft,
by all means it doesn't hurt me at all. And
then Arthur Smith said something, and then the best thing happened.
Yeah it did. We were standing there underneath this tree
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and Arthur has just given media up and down the
road from not being out in the sun. I was
looking for partial credit for just being outside. He gave
me yeah. And someone yelled like it's not for everyone.
And then one Eric Harris turns around, points at Scott
Bear who was underneath the tree, and said Scott get
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out here. And he said, we're trying to build a
culture here, and so Scott gets out from under the
tree and he stood in the sun for the remainder
of practice. I did just I mean, we are trying
to build a culture around here. Hopefully, I don't know.
Hopefully it's a culture of respecting where they're shades. Sometimes. Yeah,
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no one went to hold them and no one went
to fold them right because I was overheated. I wore
gray cotton, which is a rookie move. Yeah, Scott. I
was making fun of Scott because his shirt kind of
looked like Todd eye. Oh yeah, it was. It was
not a good look. But they got through two days
of mini camp. I'm not going to use the p
word practice word because Arthur Smith says their workout sessions.
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I think what he's trying to do, he's trying to
create a semantic division between what you see in training
camp and what you're seeing with no pads where they're
installing and their learning plays. And maybe you know, to
not chart every single rep that happens out there. That
but I think general impressions are over the course of
the two days of open mini camp sessions. Yeah, and
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the ot as that this is a team that and
we talk to several people about this. One the chip
on your shoulder mentality is real, and two this group
is really working hard at being a cohesive group that
likes each other. Yeah, I think, and if you can
do that, we don't know how it'll be tested. By
adversity yet, but that's going to be an important thing
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for a team as they try to overperform expectations this season. Yeah,
I think it was great. Jared when we were talking
to him the first day and he said something that
I found very interesting where he was talking about how
he felt like this team, maybe more than any team
he's played with here in Atlanta, was friends. They were friends,
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they were very very close. They all had a similar mindset,
and I think it does go back to what you're
saying about, like the whole chip on your shoulder mentality.
I think they all are very aware of the outside
perspective of the organization at this current point in time,
and I think it's honestly kind of bringing them together
in a way that maybe you don't see a lot
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at the professional level because you are professionals. You're coming
in to do a job. You're not necessarily coming into
like I don't know, the word team isn't necessarily something
that I think carries the weight that it does at
like the high school or the college level, because you
are you are a bunch of individuals. It's a profession.
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And to hear Grady Jared say that that he feel
like this team is so close already and we're only
through mandatory mini camp. I think that speaks volumes to
kind of what you're saying, like the cohesiveness of the
group and how they all just kind of genuinely like
being around each other. Yeah, and I think in terms
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of execution, one checkout tories what she learned at mini
camp day one and two. That's I don't know, maybe
twenty five words between the two of them, fully cow,
I mean I wrote many mini words, but I will
say probably five hundred of those words was a full
play by play breakdown of the offensive and defensive linemen
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catching punts yesterday in order to see who didn't have
to run sprints at the end of practice. I don't know.
That's like gold to me. I did spend a lot
of time on my day to breakdown going over that
because I did feel like it was important for people
to know who caught their prints and who didn't. Yeah,
and I think it is. And trust me, we're going
to get to the ridder Mariota ness yea of everything
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and Corderol Patterson and but let's really get down to
the fact that it was almost like watching a penalty
shootout from ninety two nine was saying yesterday, and I
think it's kind of right. And it ended up being
three for the offensive lineman caught everyone too. Because Anthony
Rush went first, he was the only guy to drop.
There was a little bit of sidestepping he had to do. Well,
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here's the thing. He was in a tough spot and
it cost the defense. Yes, I think some of the
other ones I think about, like the one that was
so Jalen Mayfield went after Anthony Rush and it was
a significantly easier punt. Now, I'm not saying that catching
a punt is easy. If you threw me out there,
there's absolutely no way I'm catching anything at all. I'm
not catching it. I just know I wouldn't. But Anthony
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Rush had to Like I don't know if the wind
caught his or something, but I will give Anthony Rush credit.
Like one, to go first, that's hard, but two he
had the hardest punt to catch because it drifted so
far in the air. So Anthony, if you're listening to
The Falcon's final podcast, one, thank you one, thank you too,
I got your backbro. Yeah, this is this is the
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Anthony Rush defense portion of it because he was in
a difficult spot. Ultimately, everybody else caught them, which I
thought was kind of impressive. Last year they lined it
was the same type of thing where offense versus defense
was Lee Smith versus Marlon Davidson kicking field goals. It
Davidson's pretty good, maybe like an emergency kicker. Yeah. Possibly.
This year catching puns I thought was pretty fund. He
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knew that he had the special team's prowess of what
he does. I know, right, And maybe it's like an
underrated skill that we don't know about. Um, But that
was a fun way to end practice. I think it's
the right way to conclude a spring that while we
see a lot of these guys out there and practice
in the heat and stuff like that, they're meeting a ton.
It's a Monday through Thursday sort of thing for six weeks.
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The rookies come in, but the Vets have been lifting
weights even longer. So I will say this too, I
think it was good work. Yeah. No, I was just
gonna say, like I saw a lot of tweets, like
when I was joking around about the offensive and defensive
linmen like catching punts and everything, and there were so
many people that was like, oh my gosh, like the
Falcons aren't taking things seriously blah blah blah, and it's like,
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come on, like, let's let's take up breather, Like, let
these guys have fun. They've been putting in months of
work at this point in the final period of practice,
like they want to go like have fun. Honestly, I
hate I hated that. I hate it when people are
like not letting people have their fun. Yeah. I think
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it supposed to be fun. Yeah, and everybody does it. Yeah,
Like this mini camp mentor mini camp is always three practices.
I can't think of a single team that actually is
on the field for three days, right, because it's time
to reward some of the hard work. And again, you
want to go into that summer vacation on a high
and feeling good about yourself and hopefully go find a
white sand beach. I'm gonna do that too, and you know, eventually, right,
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get together and throw a little bit and get ready
and stay in shape for training camp when everything really
gets cranked up. So ultimately, how they looked, right, I'm
sure there's some diehards out there who want to know
about quarterbacks. That's going to be a driving storyline. I
don't know for a long time. Yea, until we have
an answer for the long term solution at quarterback post
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Matt Ryan, which means we're gonna have QB quote unquote competition, right,
and then we're going to have is that person the
long term solution? And should the other person come in?
And we're gonna be talking about quarterbacks forever, so without
breaking down yardage totals and completion percentages generally, what were
your thoughts about how the quarterbacks did, about what you
heard from the quarterbacks and the coaches your impressions, Yeah,
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I think it was. I want to go first off
by saying that this time is really more it's I
put a lot more weight in what they're learning in
the quote unquote classroom than what we're seeing actually out
on the field. Like, yeah, sure you can see Marcus
Mariota go six or seven and a seven on seven,
but like, you have no idea like what coaches are calling,
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and you have no idea like what they're asking these
guys to work on both offensively and defensively. So I
don't necessarily put a lot of stock into what I
am actually seeing on the field. I put more stock
in what these guys are saying in terms of how
comfortable they feel in the install process. And I think
that was something that Arthur Smith talked about on Wednesday
when he was talking about the progress of Mini Camp
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and where he wants these these guys to be and
what he considers a successful mini camp to be. And
he made the comment that it's all about like the
install and getting the terminology right and making sure that
everyone is on the same page in terms of how
things operate here in Atlanta with this staff and with
this team. And so when you're talking about Marcus, Mariota
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and Desmond Ritter, they are kind of the the focal
point of that because offensively, everything has to run through them.
And and so I thought that Arthur Smith's comments about
Marcus and Desmond understanding the scheme and how far along
they are in terms of feeling comfortable and confident in
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it was what I took the most from this portion. Yeah,
and there's a lot of it. There were a lot
of interesting things said about both guys and from both
guys about some question that you asked Marcus yesterday and
has been a topic that he talked about, is trying
to play free within the offense, not just go through
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his progressions one, two, three, four and make a choice,
but to play some jazz out there. And if he's
thinking about that in June, that's going to help him
in July and August. I thought, not knowing where the
ball was supposed to go, I thought his ball looked
pretty clean. I thought it was generally very catchable. I
thought it was a receiver friendly ball if we're going
to get real minuscule with it. When it comes to Desmond,
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Desmond Ritter, I thought Arthur Smith said something interesting yesterday.
I'm just gonna read this quote so I don't mess
it up. Behind the scenes, the things that he has
done as a rookie, really from the neck up now
i'm paraphrasing, is what has impressed Arthur Smith about Desmond Ritter.
Now I'm back to quoting. He's operating when we're doing
rookie walkthroughs, When we do these installations on and off
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the field and in his command, then you're betting on
some of the physical things you see at times to
catch up. That means mentally he's locked in. Physically, he's
going to start executing that better. He's light years ahead
of most And here's the poll quote. He's light years
ahead of most young quarterbacks in terms of playing from
the neck up. I will give him that compliment. That
compliment comes from somebody who doesn't like complimenting rookies, right,
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I don't know break that down for me. Oh gosh,
I mean, I just think it's like, here's the thing,
and it's something that we talked to Desmond Ritter about
two days ago. Yeah, he said if someone asked him
what surprised him about coming into the league, and he
made the comment he was like, I thought that learning
the scheme and getting all getting everything down passed in
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terms of the install was going to be the most
difficult part of this. And he said he feels pretty
good about where he's at. He feels very confidence, which
is such around right, you would rather him be good
from the neck out. But you know, and so I think,
and he also too was he was like, now it's
about you know, almost like the muscle memory of it.
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He was talking, he told he told this cool anecdote
where he was talking about how he goes home at
the end of the night and he goes through the
playbook and he gets the play call and he says
it out loud and records it on his phone and
then puts his headphones on and listens back to what
the play call is so that he gets it and
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he has that muscle memory of saying it out loud
and all of that kind of stuff. I thought that
was really really interesting in terms of where he is
and what kind of his overall scope of the offense is. Now.
You know, we're talking about a number seventy four overall pick.
So Arthur Smith saying, like football IQ is there, we
got to catch him up physically. That makes complete sense,
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And I think it's easier to have it that way
than the other way around. I would rather someone I
always my dad used to always tell me that when
I was playing sports in high school. He was like,
You're never really gonna out athlete anybody, but you can
outsmart a lot of people. And I'm not saying that
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like Desmond Ritter isn't an athlete. We have seen that
he is. I'm just saying that, like it bodes well
for his overall development that we are sitting here on
June sixteenth talking about how confident he feels in the scheme,
and not only that he feels in the scheme, but
how confident Arthur Smith feels in Desmond Ritter commanding a huddle. Yeah,
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it's not just the quote that we read and then
broke down. It's the fact that it was uttered at
all in front of a microphone. Yes, and what Arthur
Smith's tendencies are that I think that it adds weight
to it. I think that's to your point, that is
an important step. Now, just because we're saying all those
things doesn't mean that we're saying We're not talking about
who's gonna start it, who's not gonna start Let's not
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extrapolate what we're saying. Let's keep it within the context
lecture over. I do think Marcus Mariota again every time
I come away from one of his media scrums, just
a nice guy, A nice guy who gets it and
who I think is a good leader for this team
in his own unique not Matt Ryan, not Desmond rid
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or not anybody else type of way. And he seems
very comfortable here, not only within the scheme, but with
the coaching staff and with what he's doing. And I
think all those things are positives at this point. Now,
this is a layer, you know, like situation. Every time
that we go we do one of these pods that
we see more practices, we get more information and we
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stack it right. But the early impression from my perspective,
him often throwing against error quarterbacks, cornerbacks going at seventy.
I think he I think he managed and I think
he did he did well during the offseason program. Somebody
who we haven't seen during the offseason program is running
back slash offensive weapon, Cordarrell Patterson. Arthur Smith talked about
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him being on his own. I'm not sure what termmy used,
a veteran. Veteran. Yeah, he's on a different program, and
the term isn't necessarily vital. But him not being here
right that can be a flashpoint for fans. It's not
necessarily a flashpoint for me. I don't care at all
that he's not here right now, right like I don't
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care at all that he's not on the field. Yeah,
he was here, he took a physical, he was around,
but he did not participate him in practice. And I
thought Arthur Smith explained it perfectly, like it was smart
of him to explain it. Yes, I'm glad that he
did explain it because that was, like you said, that
was going to be a flashpoint for people, him saying,
look like, I'm not gonna rev Cordarrell Patterson up for
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two days in June. I need him at one hundred
and ten percent when we get to July, not just July,
because I feel like he'll he's very much gonna still
be not revved fully up through training camp. I highly
doubt we see him at all in the preseason at all.
I think it really is a we need him at
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one hundred and ten percent week one, ready to go,
because you know from last year how much of a
load he carried. And I think it's also we talk
about Arthur Smith paying compliments, he actually paid a compliment
to Cordoro Patterson and essentially being like, I trust CP
that he's going out in the offseason and doing what
he needs to do. We communicate all the time, so
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I'm not at all worried that he was not out
here for two days in mini camp. No, I'm not
trying to correlate CPS to somebody that I covered for
a long time who's in the Hall of Fame now.
Ladanie and Thomlinson right, different categories, yes, but in the
preseason they were treated the same LT didn't participate in anything,
and he didn't take a preseason snap and nobody cared.
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Now again, I know he's a gold jacket person, but
I think the same magic applies that for a position
where you're going to take such a high volume of
hits and take us such a high volume of touches,
and maybe learning from last year where he took all
those hits and all those touches, that you want to
try to preserve his health and his freshness as much
as humanly possible. I don't think that's any problem. Now, again,
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we've we've talked so much about not over analyzing the
offseason program, and we're not doing that. But this is
the first time we've seen him five times now, three
Open Ota practices and too many camp sessions. General impressions.
Seeing this collection on a field for the first time
is a point worth discussing here. So as you looked
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at it, was there any position group that stood out
to you that you were intrigued by With these new
personnel packages and things like that, and anything that jumps
out at you there. I really like this secondary, I
really do. I really like Aj Terrell and Casey Hayward
and Jalen Hawkins, Richie Grant, Isaiah Oliver when he gets
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to be one hundred percent, Darren Hall. I mean, I
think this group is going to look very different than
it did last year. Eric Harris, I didn't say his name,
but he's going to be a part of this too.
I just think that there are a lot of good athletes,
one in the secondary to some guys who is something
to prove. We talk about Richie Grant wanting to make
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a significant jump in his second year in the league.
I just feel really, honestly a little bit confident in
this secondary's ability to do what needs to be done.
I'm not in terms of like position groups that I'm
worried about. I am not at all worried about the secondary.
I do think that it's one of the strengths of
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this Falcons team, and I just really really think watching
them operate together, I think they have a very cohesive group.
Talk about like the deep safeties in the cornerbacks and everything.
I think they work well together. And again, I know
I've said this thousands of times at this point. I
just like Casey Hayward and A. J. Terrell, and they
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have a really good relationship They've known each other for years,
they have the same agent. I just think that this
group has something that is going to be worthwhile to see. Right,
My first instinct about position group is the interior linebackers
because there's so much new and Dion is still hurt
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and we don't know what's going to happen with him ultimately.
But the more I think about what I'm intrigued by,
I don't know if impress is the right term, but
this is intrigued is the better one? Yeah, but this
group of pass catchers, yes, so we obviously know what
Kyle Pitts can do, and I've seen Brian Edwards play
a lot having covered the readers before, and Drake London
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is a new piece, so that you try to keep
an eye on. But there's a lot of guys here
that could be contributors, like Alamada Zakis and Dary Hodge
and Anthony Firk. Sir right, that there are so many
different guys that are new to the system that could
be intriguing possibilities. You think if even if it's Deemi
or Bird, if I'm saying it right as a speed threat,
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that there's a lot of guys you think, how can
they plug and play and find the best five they're
not going to have They have what thirteen past catchers, Yeah,
thirteen receivers, seven tight ends, maybe a little bit less
now eight if you count Felipe, which you should, because
which you should. Yeah, right, So ultimately how this group
will transform into five or six receivers and three or
four tight ends is going to be fascinating. I'm really
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excited about that portion of the offseason because we know
it's coming. We know that the Falcons are going to
make cuts with these receiving weapons, and we know they're
going to add more to the lines of scrimmage. We
know that Arthur Smith has said that he's explained it.
I am really curious to see how they go about
roster construction as we get closer and closer to fifty
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three men cut down in terms of who they value
in the body type and the skill set of these
receivers of which they're valuing because there are a lot
of different guys out there, and I wonder like, are
they just gonna go big? Are they just gonna keep
Dronima Allison and Auden Tate And you already have Cole
Pits as hot and you have Drake Lennon. I mean,
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are you just gonna go big and then have like
Ozy or are you gonna try and add some different variations,
Which I tend to think that that's probably the direction
of which they'll go, And so I'm very very interested
to see which body type they're valuing as we get
closer to Week one. See, here's the thing is that
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I'm a huge roster construction nerd and you're a huge
roster construction nerd. And sometimes they get together and we
can go super nerdy. But I could talk a whole
half hour just on the body types and the types
of talents you can create, yeah, or mixed together to
find the ultimate? The ultimate? What grouping right so you
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can get the most of it. Kind of. As we're
wrapping up here, Tory, there was something interesting that happened
yesterday in practice. And it's the thing. It was the
number five story on Sports Center's Top ten yesterday was
Top five play, Top top five play, and we saw
it live and you know, the play was Kyle Pitts
running relatively standard out and scoring a touchdown. You'll probably
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see a lot of that this year, but it was
him versus aj Terrell. Which happens a couple of times
a day. But the best part about it was there
was some verbal exchange not he did, not contentious. Yeah,
just no one on the defense wanted number eight to
score all day. They were very vocal about that, very vocal.
It was fantastic And it was funny because after practice
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we're talking to Casey Hayward and he said AJ and
Kyle were going at it before practice even started, just
like trash talking each other, all in good fun. And
then during practice, the entire secondary is just like, don't
get the ball to eight, like no touchdowns for eight,
and was fantastic. It's what I love about practice is
you get to see those interactions and then Kyle goes
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and he does score a quote unquote touchdown and who
launches the ball up in the air like has some
choice words for the secondary of the DVS and then
walks back over and it's just so fun. And after
practice they were talking to Kyle and he was talking
about like the competition between between him and AJ Terrell,
and I think it's so great to see two guys
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who we know is the foundation and kind of the
face of the franchise at this point it's two guys
you want to build around if you're Terry Fontne and
Arthur Smith. And to see them have that relationship and
that healthy dose of competition and to go against each
other as much as they do, I think is really
fun to watch. Yeah, definitely, and it's a good again. Yes,
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it's work, Yes, it should be fun. Yes, they should
want to. Yeah, talk back and forth and as Kyle
Pitts put it, laugh about it in the locker room,
which is exactly what happened. I'm sure at some point
during camp Kyle's gonna get got by aj Oh, of
course that's gonna and Casey probably, Yeah, those things are
going to happen. But I think that what you need
to get accomplished from the off season to make your
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quarterbacks feel like they know the system, make your inside
linebackers feel like the and safeties feel like they know
the system. Go back and read the story on Jalen
Hawkins and Richie Grant. They're they're getting it down. Rashaun
Evans is getting it down, and I think there's a
little bit of positivity as they move through as they
have moved through the off season program and they head
towards training camp. So with that, we're gonna go ahead
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and put a bow on this one, wrapping up the
Ota sessions and really heading off for summer vacation. We're
still going to give you some some good quality content
for your ear here, and there's gonna be an awesome
mini series coming up. That's all the hint I'm going
to get. So it's just gonna be so great. Yeah,
all as we head towards training camp in late July.
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h
What's up everybody, and welcome to it yet another edition
of The Falcon's Final Whistle podcast. I'm Scott Bart alongside
my partnering crime Tory mclaney. Yea, and we're here signing
your books. Getting ready to go on a little summer vacation.
K I t put the phone number in the back.
Make sure to sign next to a funny quote by
your name. Interesting. Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's
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what we're gonna do. We can. We might not see
each other in person for like a long time. That
is true, we may. And it was funny because I
was walking into the building today and all of the
players and the coaches were walking out and they're like,
have a good summer. Exactly, Okay, I'll see you when
we get back time the NFL offseason, which you would
think would be from the super Bowl to the start
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of training camp. We all know that, ain't it, between schedule,
release and draft and free agency, and honestly, we've been
working harder. Yeah, exactly, that's true heading into the offseason program,
which starts with strength and conditioning in April and carries
on through the mandatory minicamp, which just wrapped up the
on field portions of it on Wednesday Thursday as we
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were recording this. The players and Arthur Smith and the
coaching staff, they're all at top golf. I believe, yes,
she encin drives. Honestly, I'm kind of sad that I
didn't catch an inbot to that. I know I am
not good at golf by any means, but I would
love to just go hang, hit a few golf balls
and see who the best golfer of the team is.
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I feel like it's one of the coaches, but I know.
We were talking to Desmond Ritter the other day and
he said that he wants to get Marcus out there
and hit a few rounds. So we'll see. Here's the
funny part about that. That conversation got brought up in
the pressor with Marcus Mariota yesterday. Did it really? I
wasn't in that. Yeah, and he is such a I
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wouldn't say soft spoken, but he's a calm, even keel guy. Yeah,
he heard about the Ritter challenge and he basically said
he would love to play him. He's here, he hears
Ritter is very good. I don't know what handicapped numbers mean,
but I know that when he said his handicap. All
the golfers in the crowd wearing the golf shirts they want, ooh,
you're pretty good, and he's like, yeah, I can get around. Okay.
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So it's Marcus is the best one the team. We're
gonna go out on that limb. I think I'm willing
to say that. I'm also willing to say that Kyle
Pitts has only been playing since January and I think
has a very natural swing, and give him a year
or two and we might be able to have a
pretty good showdown at Shateau Alan or something like that.
I'm so down for that. Just put me in the
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golf court, like the golf cart. Yeah, Like, I won't play.
I'll just watch everybody. I can commentate the with the
truly in hand live stream Falcon's final whistle from the
golf course, with all this equipment on the back of
the cart, tor and Scott Wood whispering very quietly about
what's happening. Oh, I can't do I can't do that.
We already you're not good at that. Yeah okay, But
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I still think it's an idea on the agenda, maybe
we should actually talk about what went on this week.
That seems a little crazy. Um, I have a tough
time remembering what happened yesterday because it may have been
borderline heat stroke blackout situation for someone from California, and
we always talk about the dry heat and things like that. Yeah,
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and I'm from Georgia. And it was still brutal. It
was just thick with two seeds like it was thick
you could cut it with a knife. It really did
feel that way. I was on the sideline. And Casey Hayward,
who is from Perry, Georgia, so Middle Georgia, he knows
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he did in high school. He did two days where
you literally are have full pads on, You're going one
hundred and ten percent. Guys are probably passing out left
and right. Even he said, this is different. It was
a different type of heat. It was. And Arthur Smith,
who if you've seen this press conference, likes to take
gentle jabs and ribs at some members of the media
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walked around the field with about twenty minutes left, and
it was hot, and most everyone because the cameras can't
shoot practice to that point, why are the camera guys
and camera women standing out there. Of course they're going
to go back inside. But at one point there were
only two people standing outside in the sun. Yeah. We
were having a little pow wow underneath yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And we were underneath the tree and Dean Pease called
us out and I said, I was like, I don't
have a problem with like, it doesn't hurt my pride
to be soft. Like if y'all want to call me soft,
by all means it doesn't hurt me at all. And
then Arthur Smith said something, and then the best thing happened.
Yeah it did. We were standing there underneath this tree
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and Arthur has just given media up and down the
road from not being out in the sun. I was
looking for partial credit for just being outside. He gave
me yeah. And someone yelled like it's not for everyone.
And then one Eric Harris turns around, points at Scott
Bear who was underneath the tree, and said Scott get
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out here. And he said, we're trying to build a
culture here, and so Scott gets out from under the
tree and he stood in the sun for the remainder
of practice. I did just I mean, we are trying
to build a culture around here. Hopefully, I don't know.
Hopefully it's a culture of respecting where they're shades. Sometimes. Yeah,
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no one went to hold them and no one went
to fold them right because I was overheated. I wore
gray cotton, which is a rookie move. Yeah, Scott. I
was making fun of Scott because his shirt kind of
looked like Todd eye. Oh yeah, it was. It was
not a good look. But they got through two days
of mini camp. I'm not going to use the p
word practice word because Arthur Smith says their workout sessions.
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I think what he's trying to do, he's trying to
create a semantic division between what you see in training
camp and what you're seeing with no pads where they're
installing and their learning plays. And maybe you know, to
not chart every single rep that happens out there. That
but I think general impressions are over the course of
the two days of open mini camp sessions. Yeah, and
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the ot as that this is a team that and
we talk to several people about this. One the chip
on your shoulder mentality is real, and two this group
is really working hard at being a cohesive group that
likes each other. Yeah, I think, and if you can
do that, we don't know how it'll be tested. By
adversity yet, but that's going to be an important thing
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for a team as they try to overperform expectations this season. Yeah,
I think it was great. Jared when we were talking
to him the first day and he said something that
I found very interesting where he was talking about how
he felt like this team, maybe more than any team
he's played with here in Atlanta, was friends. They were friends,
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they were very very close. They all had a similar mindset,
and I think it does go back to what you're
saying about, like the whole chip on your shoulder mentality.
I think they all are very aware of the outside
perspective of the organization at this current point in time,
and I think it's honestly kind of bringing them together
in a way that maybe you don't see a lot
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at the professional level because you are professionals. You're coming
in to do a job. You're not necessarily coming into
like I don't know, the word team isn't necessarily something
that I think carries the weight that it does at
like the high school or the college level, because you
are you are a bunch of individuals. It's a profession.
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And to hear Grady Jared say that that he feel
like this team is so close already and we're only
through mandatory mini camp. I think that speaks volumes to
kind of what you're saying, like the cohesiveness of the
group and how they all just kind of genuinely like
being around each other. Yeah, and I think in terms
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of execution, one checkout tories what she learned at mini
camp day one and two. That's I don't know, maybe
twenty five words between the two of them, fully cow,
I mean I wrote many mini words, but I will
say probably five hundred of those words was a full
play by play breakdown of the offensive and defensive linemen
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catching punts yesterday in order to see who didn't have
to run sprints at the end of practice. I don't know.
That's like gold to me. I did spend a lot
of time on my day to breakdown going over that
because I did feel like it was important for people
to know who caught their prints and who didn't. Yeah,
and I think it is. And trust me, we're going
to get to the ridder Mariota ness yea of everything
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and Corderol Patterson and but let's really get down to
the fact that it was almost like watching a penalty
shootout from ninety two nine was saying yesterday, and I
think it's kind of right. And it ended up being
three for the offensive lineman caught everyone too. Because Anthony
Rush went first, he was the only guy to drop.
There was a little bit of sidestepping he had to do. Well,
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here's the thing. He was in a tough spot and
it cost the defense. Yes, I think some of the
other ones I think about, like the one that was
so Jalen Mayfield went after Anthony Rush and it was
a significantly easier punt. Now, I'm not saying that catching
a punt is easy. If you threw me out there,
there's absolutely no way I'm catching anything at all. I'm
not catching it. I just know I wouldn't. But Anthony
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Rush had to Like I don't know if the wind
caught his or something, but I will give Anthony Rush credit.
Like one, to go first, that's hard, but two he
had the hardest punt to catch because it drifted so
far in the air. So Anthony, if you're listening to
The Falcon's final podcast, one, thank you one, thank you too,
I got your backbro. Yeah, this is this is the
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Anthony Rush defense portion of it because he was in
a difficult spot. Ultimately, everybody else caught them, which I
thought was kind of impressive. Last year they lined it
was the same type of thing where offense versus defense
was Lee Smith versus Marlon Davidson kicking field goals. It
Davidson's pretty good, maybe like an emergency kicker. Yeah. Possibly.
This year catching puns I thought was pretty fund. He
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knew that he had the special team's prowess of what
he does. I know, right, And maybe it's like an
underrated skill that we don't know about. Um, But that
was a fun way to end practice. I think it's
the right way to conclude a spring that while we
see a lot of these guys out there and practice
in the heat and stuff like that, they're meeting a ton.
It's a Monday through Thursday sort of thing for six weeks.
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The rookies come in, but the Vets have been lifting
weights even longer. So I will say this too, I
think it was good work. Yeah. No, I was just
gonna say, like I saw a lot of tweets, like
when I was joking around about the offensive and defensive
linmen like catching punts and everything, and there were so
many people that was like, oh my gosh, like the
Falcons aren't taking things seriously blah blah blah, and it's like,
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come on, like, let's let's take up breather, Like, let
these guys have fun. They've been putting in months of
work at this point in the final period of practice,
like they want to go like have fun. Honestly, I
hate I hated that. I hate it when people are
like not letting people have their fun. Yeah. I think
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it supposed to be fun. Yeah, and everybody does it. Yeah,
Like this mini camp mentor mini camp is always three practices.
I can't think of a single team that actually is
on the field for three days, right, because it's time
to reward some of the hard work. And again, you
want to go into that summer vacation on a high
and feeling good about yourself and hopefully go find a
white sand beach. I'm gonna do that too, and you know, eventually, right,
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get together and throw a little bit and get ready
and stay in shape for training camp when everything really
gets cranked up. So ultimately, how they looked, right, I'm
sure there's some diehards out there who want to know
about quarterbacks. That's going to be a driving storyline. I
don't know for a long time. Yea, until we have
an answer for the long term solution at quarterback post
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Matt Ryan, which means we're gonna have QB quote unquote competition, right,
and then we're going to have is that person the
long term solution? And should the other person come in?
And we're gonna be talking about quarterbacks forever, so without
breaking down yardage totals and completion percentages generally, what were
your thoughts about how the quarterbacks did, about what you
heard from the quarterbacks and the coaches your impressions, Yeah,
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I think it was. I want to go first off
by saying that this time is really more it's I
put a lot more weight in what they're learning in
the quote unquote classroom than what we're seeing actually out
on the field. Like, yeah, sure you can see Marcus
Mariota go six or seven and a seven on seven,
but like, you have no idea like what coaches are calling,
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and you have no idea like what they're asking these
guys to work on both offensively and defensively. So I
don't necessarily put a lot of stock into what I
am actually seeing on the field. I put more stock
in what these guys are saying in terms of how
comfortable they feel in the install process. And I think
that was something that Arthur Smith talked about on Wednesday
when he was talking about the progress of Mini Camp
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and where he wants these these guys to be and
what he considers a successful mini camp to be. And
he made the comment that it's all about like the
install and getting the terminology right and making sure that
everyone is on the same page in terms of how
things operate here in Atlanta with this staff and with
this team. And so when you're talking about Marcus, Mariota
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and Desmond Ritter, they are kind of the the focal
point of that because offensively, everything has to run through them.
And and so I thought that Arthur Smith's comments about
Marcus and Desmond understanding the scheme and how far along
they are in terms of feeling comfortable and confident in
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it was what I took the most from this portion. Yeah,
and there's a lot of it. There were a lot
of interesting things said about both guys and from both
guys about some question that you asked Marcus yesterday and
has been a topic that he talked about, is trying
to play free within the offense, not just go through
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his progressions one, two, three, four and make a choice,
but to play some jazz out there. And if he's
thinking about that in June, that's going to help him
in July and August. I thought, not knowing where the
ball was supposed to go, I thought his ball looked
pretty clean. I thought it was generally very catchable. I
thought it was a receiver friendly ball if we're going
to get real minuscule with it. When it comes to Desmond,
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Desmond Ritter, I thought Arthur Smith said something interesting yesterday.
I'm just gonna read this quote so I don't mess
it up. Behind the scenes, the things that he has
done as a rookie, really from the neck up now
i'm paraphrasing, is what has impressed Arthur Smith about Desmond Ritter.
Now I'm back to quoting. He's operating when we're doing
rookie walkthroughs, When we do these installations on and off
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the field and in his command, then you're betting on
some of the physical things you see at times to
catch up. That means mentally he's locked in. Physically, he's
going to start executing that better. He's light years ahead
of most And here's the poll quote. He's light years
ahead of most young quarterbacks in terms of playing from
the neck up. I will give him that compliment. That
compliment comes from somebody who doesn't like complimenting rookies, right,
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I don't know break that down for me. Oh gosh,
I mean, I just think it's like, here's the thing,
and it's something that we talked to Desmond Ritter about
two days ago. Yeah, he said if someone asked him
what surprised him about coming into the league, and he
made the comment he was like, I thought that learning
the scheme and getting all getting everything down passed in
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terms of the install was going to be the most
difficult part of this. And he said he feels pretty
good about where he's at. He feels very confidence, which
is such around right, you would rather him be good
from the neck out. But you know, and so I think,
and he also too was he was like, now it's
about you know, almost like the muscle memory of it.
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He was talking, he told he told this cool anecdote
where he was talking about how he goes home at
the end of the night and he goes through the
playbook and he gets the play call and he says
it out loud and records it on his phone and
then puts his headphones on and listens back to what
the play call is so that he gets it and
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he has that muscle memory of saying it out loud
and all of that kind of stuff. I thought that
was really really interesting in terms of where he is
and what kind of his overall scope of the offense is. Now.
You know, we're talking about a number seventy four overall pick.
So Arthur Smith saying, like football IQ is there, we
got to catch him up physically. That makes complete sense,
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And I think it's easier to have it that way
than the other way around. I would rather someone I
always my dad used to always tell me that when
I was playing sports in high school. He was like,
You're never really gonna out athlete anybody, but you can
outsmart a lot of people. And I'm not saying that
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like Desmond Ritter isn't an athlete. We have seen that
he is. I'm just saying that, like it bodes well
for his overall development that we are sitting here on
June sixteenth talking about how confident he feels in the scheme,
and not only that he feels in the scheme, but
how confident Arthur Smith feels in Desmond Ritter commanding a huddle. Yeah,
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it's not just the quote that we read and then
broke down. It's the fact that it was uttered at
all in front of a microphone. Yes, and what Arthur
Smith's tendencies are that I think that it adds weight
to it. I think that's to your point, that is
an important step. Now, just because we're saying all those
things doesn't mean that we're saying We're not talking about
who's gonna start it, who's not gonna start Let's not
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extrapolate what we're saying. Let's keep it within the context
lecture over. I do think Marcus Mariota again every time
I come away from one of his media scrums, just
a nice guy, A nice guy who gets it and
who I think is a good leader for this team
in his own unique not Matt Ryan, not Desmond rid
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or not anybody else type of way. And he seems
very comfortable here, not only within the scheme, but with
the coaching staff and with what he's doing. And I
think all those things are positives at this point. Now,
this is a layer, you know, like situation. Every time
that we go we do one of these pods that
we see more practices, we get more information and we
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stack it right. But the early impression from my perspective,
him often throwing against error quarterbacks, cornerbacks going at seventy.
I think he I think he managed and I think
he did he did well during the offseason program. Somebody
who we haven't seen during the offseason program is running
back slash offensive weapon, Cordarrell Patterson. Arthur Smith talked about
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him being on his own. I'm not sure what termmy used,
a veteran. Veteran. Yeah, he's on a different program, and
the term isn't necessarily vital. But him not being here
right that can be a flashpoint for fans. It's not
necessarily a flashpoint for me. I don't care at all
that he's not here right now, right like I don't
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care at all that he's not on the field. Yeah,
he was here, he took a physical, he was around,
but he did not participate him in practice. And I
thought Arthur Smith explained it perfectly, like it was smart
of him to explain it. Yes, I'm glad that he
did explain it because that was, like you said, that
was going to be a flashpoint for people, him saying,
look like, I'm not gonna rev Cordarrell Patterson up for
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two days in June. I need him at one hundred
and ten percent when we get to July, not just July,
because I feel like he'll he's very much gonna still
be not revved fully up through training camp. I highly
doubt we see him at all in the preseason at all.
I think it really is a we need him at
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one hundred and ten percent week one, ready to go,
because you know from last year how much of a
load he carried. And I think it's also we talk
about Arthur Smith paying compliments, he actually paid a compliment
to Cordoro Patterson and essentially being like, I trust CP
that he's going out in the offseason and doing what
he needs to do. We communicate all the time, so
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I'm not at all worried that he was not out
here for two days in mini camp. No, I'm not
trying to correlate CPS to somebody that I covered for
a long time who's in the Hall of Fame now.
Ladanie and Thomlinson right, different categories, yes, but in the
preseason they were treated the same LT didn't participate in anything,
and he didn't take a preseason snap and nobody cared.
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Now again, I know he's a gold jacket person, but
I think the same magic applies that for a position
where you're going to take such a high volume of
hits and take us such a high volume of touches,
and maybe learning from last year where he took all
those hits and all those touches, that you want to
try to preserve his health and his freshness as much
as humanly possible. I don't think that's any problem. Now, again,
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we've we've talked so much about not over analyzing the
offseason program, and we're not doing that. But this is
the first time we've seen him five times now, three
Open Ota practices and too many camp sessions. General impressions.
Seeing this collection on a field for the first time
is a point worth discussing here. So as you looked
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at it, was there any position group that stood out
to you that you were intrigued by With these new
personnel packages and things like that, and anything that jumps
out at you there. I really like this secondary, I
really do. I really like Aj Terrell and Casey Hayward
and Jalen Hawkins, Richie Grant, Isaiah Oliver when he gets
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to be one hundred percent, Darren Hall. I mean, I
think this group is going to look very different than
it did last year. Eric Harris, I didn't say his name,
but he's going to be a part of this too.
I just think that there are a lot of good athletes,
one in the secondary to some guys who is something
to prove. We talk about Richie Grant wanting to make
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a significant jump in his second year in the league.
I just feel really, honestly a little bit confident in
this secondary's ability to do what needs to be done.
I'm not in terms of like position groups that I'm
worried about. I am not at all worried about the secondary.
I do think that it's one of the strengths of
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this Falcons team, and I just really really think watching
them operate together, I think they have a very cohesive group.
Talk about like the deep safeties in the cornerbacks and everything.
I think they work well together. And again, I know
I've said this thousands of times at this point. I
just like Casey Hayward and A. J. Terrell, and they
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have a really good relationship They've known each other for years,
they have the same agent. I just think that this
group has something that is going to be worthwhile to see. Right,
My first instinct about position group is the interior linebackers
because there's so much new and Dion is still hurt
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and we don't know what's going to happen with him ultimately.
But the more I think about what I'm intrigued by,
I don't know if impress is the right term, but
this is intrigued is the better one? Yeah, but this
group of pass catchers, yes, so we obviously know what
Kyle Pitts can do, and I've seen Brian Edwards play
a lot having covered the readers before, and Drake London
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is a new piece, so that you try to keep
an eye on. But there's a lot of guys here
that could be contributors, like Alamada Zakis and Dary Hodge
and Anthony Firk. Sir right, that there are so many
different guys that are new to the system that could
be intriguing possibilities. You think if even if it's Deemi
or Bird, if I'm saying it right as a speed threat,
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that there's a lot of guys you think, how can
they plug and play and find the best five they're
not going to have They have what thirteen past catchers, Yeah,
thirteen receivers, seven tight ends, maybe a little bit less
now eight if you count Felipe, which you should, because
which you should. Yeah, right, So ultimately how this group
will transform into five or six receivers and three or
four tight ends is going to be fascinating. I'm really
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excited about that portion of the offseason because we know
it's coming. We know that the Falcons are going to
make cuts with these receiving weapons, and we know they're
going to add more to the lines of scrimmage. We
know that Arthur Smith has said that he's explained it.
I am really curious to see how they go about
roster construction as we get closer and closer to fifty
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three men cut down in terms of who they value
in the body type and the skill set of these
receivers of which they're valuing because there are a lot
of different guys out there, and I wonder like, are
they just gonna go big? Are they just gonna keep
Dronima Allison and Auden Tate And you already have Cole
Pits as hot and you have Drake Lennon. I mean,
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are you just gonna go big and then have like
Ozy or are you gonna try and add some different variations,
Which I tend to think that that's probably the direction
of which they'll go, And so I'm very very interested
to see which body type they're valuing as we get
closer to Week one. See, here's the thing is that
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I'm a huge roster construction nerd and you're a huge
roster construction nerd. And sometimes they get together and we
can go super nerdy. But I could talk a whole
half hour just on the body types and the types
of talents you can create, yeah, or mixed together to
find the ultimate? The ultimate? What grouping right so you
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can get the most of it. Kind of. As we're
wrapping up here, Tory, there was something interesting that happened
yesterday in practice. And it's the thing. It was the
number five story on Sports Center's Top ten yesterday was
Top five play, Top top five play, and we saw
it live and you know, the play was Kyle Pitts
running relatively standard out and scoring a touchdown. You'll probably
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see a lot of that this year, but it was
him versus aj Terrell. Which happens a couple of times
a day. But the best part about it was there
was some verbal exchange not he did, not contentious. Yeah,
just no one on the defense wanted number eight to
score all day. They were very vocal about that, very vocal.
It was fantastic And it was funny because after practice
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we're talking to Casey Hayward and he said AJ and
Kyle were going at it before practice even started, just
like trash talking each other, all in good fun. And
then during practice, the entire secondary is just like, don't
get the ball to eight, like no touchdowns for eight,
and was fantastic. It's what I love about practice is
you get to see those interactions and then Kyle goes
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and he does score a quote unquote touchdown and who
launches the ball up in the air like has some
choice words for the secondary of the DVS and then
walks back over and it's just so fun. And after
practice they were talking to Kyle and he was talking
about like the competition between between him and AJ Terrell,
and I think it's so great to see two guys
(27:30):
who we know is the foundation and kind of the
face of the franchise at this point it's two guys
you want to build around if you're Terry Fontne and
Arthur Smith. And to see them have that relationship and
that healthy dose of competition and to go against each
other as much as they do, I think is really
fun to watch. Yeah, definitely, and it's a good again. Yes,
(27:53):
it's work, Yes, it should be fun. Yes, they should
want to. Yeah, talk back and forth and as Kyle
Pitts put it, laugh about it in the locker room,
which is exactly what happened. I'm sure at some point
during camp Kyle's gonna get got by aj Oh, of
course that's gonna and Casey probably, Yeah, those things are
going to happen. But I think that what you need
to get accomplished from the off season to make your
(28:14):
quarterbacks feel like they know the system, make your inside
linebackers feel like the and safeties feel like they know
the system. Go back and read the story on Jalen
Hawkins and Richie Grant. They're they're getting it down. Rashaun
Evans is getting it down, and I think there's a
little bit of positivity as they move through as they
have moved through the off season program and they head
towards training camp. So with that, we're gonna go ahead
(28:35):
and put a bow on this one, wrapping up the
Ota sessions and really heading off for summer vacation. We're
still going to give you some some good quality content
for your ear here, and there's gonna be an awesome
mini series coming up. That's all the hint I'm going
to get. So it's just gonna be so great. Yeah,
all as we head towards training camp in late July.
(28:57):
So thank you guys very much as always for down loading,
for listening to us a solid if we haven't already, rate, review, subscribe,
all that fun stuff, and again appreciate you listening, and
we are going to talk to you real real so
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