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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, everybody, and welcome to another edition of the
Falcons Final Whistle Podcast. I'm Scott Bear and that over
here Tory mcclaney. There's lots of pointing this morning, on
a Monday morning, as we break down our dueling oh
fifty three men roster projections. I would go ahead and
encourage everyone in the audience to pull up their laptop
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or phone, go to Atlanta Falcons dot com, Tip tap
tip TYPEE right or pull up the app yeah, or
please do that, and then go to our roster projections.
It's gonna be nice to have a visual there as
we talk about what we think is going to happen
with this roster. And we're not going to go through
it position by position because that's boring, right. I think
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what we're gonna do is try to highlight some areas
that were difficult for us to make choices, some really
tough cuts, and then also kind of where we think
the Falcons still need to fill in with some talent.
So we're gonna talk about all those different types of
things as we head towards the big fifty three man
roster cut down the deadline to turn in the trimmed
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roster is at four pm Eastern time, and before we
get into on Tuesday. On Tuesday, thank you for including
dates the time August thirty, if anyone's keeping a calendar, yeah,
and you should. Um, But before we get to all that,
I'm gonna be all Debbie Debbie Downer here. Wow, and
let's just say this, Okay, there's a lot of excitement
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about what's going to happen next with the Falcons and
who they're going to go into the future with. This
is also not one of my favorite days on the
calendar because we have Tory and I have gotten to
know a lot of these people who aren't going to
be with the team anymore, and that's always like a
difficult thing. Yeah, so we talk about this, right and
we're pumped, but it's also, you know, it's really weird
because like in terms of like our jobs, like this
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is a really big day for our jobs, because a
lot of people are curious as to who makes the
fifty three man. But then in terms of like these
some of these players in their jobs, like you're it's
I just want to make sure like we're not celebrating
like so and So's on the fifty three man and
so and so's not because that's not what a cutdown
day is. It's actually kind of it sucks, like to
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be completely honest, Like, and I think Arthur Smith even
said postgame, he like came in and immediately was like,
you know, I have a lot of respect for these
eighty guys who have been here for the last few
months and really putting in the work, and now you're
having to make these really difficult decisions. And another thing, too,
is this fifty three man. Just because they announce fifty
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three guys on Tuesday, does not mean that that's a
fifty three guys that you're going to see week one
or beyond. And I think like it's a very fluid situation,
and I just think like the celebration of it, there
shouldn't be a celebration of it. It should be more
of like, Okay, this is the business side of it,
and this is what's happening, and here's who they have
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right now. It's probably not going to be who they're
going to have in even two days after, right And
once again we're already off of my very limited rundown
script already, but let's talk about uh, Cadrey Allison and
I think he's a good example of everything that we're
saying here. He's a guy who had a really good preseason, right,
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He's a guy who's been on the roster bubble a
couple of times before. And I talked to him after
Saturday's game, after what was another good performance by him,
and he said, look, I'm gonna go about my Monday
and Tuesday as I normally would. If you sit there
and hope your phone doesn't ring, you're gonna drive yourself crazy. Yeah.
So that's one point, is that there's a lot of
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anxiety leading up to this. Number two. If you go
back to last year, he made the fifty three man
roster and a very short time later he was let
go for Wayne Gallman and then was put on the
practice squad and then got elevated and then made some
plays and then got back again. So that he's a
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great human example of kind of how you can work
your way through this league. And I think, you know,
I got here in twenty twenty. I started covering the
Falcons then, and that's when you know, Quadre got his
kind of start in the league. And this is a
guy who I think we have seen every way possible
that he has somehow, some way found his way off
the practice squad and into a real game in the
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regular season. And so I think that it just again
it shows the fluidity, fluidity of the situation, and you're
exactly right that he's a really good example of a
person who may not make the fifty three man a
bit like initially but eventually. And I think it also
goes back to these coaches have guys that they like
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that sometimes there's just not room for them right now.
And I say right now, I don't mean that there's
never room. I mean right now, there's not room. And
so that changes periodically as injuries happen, as guys hit
the market. I mean there's a lot of like moving parts.
I know we say that often and sometimes it's kind
of a catch all, but there really is. When it
comes to like roster construction, especially with where this organization
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is right now, there is so many moving parts that
you have to consider. And fair warning, you're listening to
a podcast with two fully fledged totally fine with it
roster construction. Yeah, I I own that. Yeah, sure I
am too. I like the roster math. I like the
strategy behind it, and there are you're right, there are
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so many different ways to get on the roster now
with practice squad elevations and a larger practice squad, and
and we're gonna get back to to all of a
sudden down the road. But he put a lot of
good tape out there, even going back to that first
preseason game with the first team against a first team.
He's an NFL running back, period. So before we kind
of get into all the nuts and bolts of our
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roster projections and what we're thinking about, how what we
anticipate happening on Tuesday and beyond through the rest of
the week, general impressions of what was a very competitive,
really intriguing training camp for the Atlanta Falcons. Yeah, I
think it's really interesting because we knew going into this
training camp that it was going to be competitive. We
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knew that there are a lot of spots that were
open for grabs. And I'm not just talking roster spots,
I'm talking starting spots. Yeah, I think about the offensive
line just in general. You looked at that going into
training camp and you literally said there could be three
spots open. Now we have more of a cognizant understanding
of what direction this offensive line is going. Caleb McGarry
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has solidified himself at right tackle. I think we can
say that he's had a good camp. Yeah, and then
you have Elijah Wilkinson, who has solidified himself at left guard.
You still don't know what the heck's going on at center.
You don't know if it's going to be Matt Hennessy
or Drew Dommond. In terms of fair evaluations, there is
no two people that have had their fair share at
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a spot than those two guys have. But you still
have a question mark there. They've got to make a
decision there. But I think that was something that was
really interesting, is that this offensive line, looking at it
going in and kind of now where it is, I
think you feel okay with where it's at, and you
know that there are some decisions that you have to
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make in terms of who's that starting center spot. I
also think we saw some guys kind of some skill
guys flash that we weren't expecting. No one knew who
Jared Bernhardt was before training camp, and now he's somebody
who a lot of people are putting on their fifty
three man rosters. I know you did, I know I did.
When I was talking to Kelly Price and Rise Up Tonight,
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Shameless Plug, Fox five Midnight, check it out. But he's
a guy who came out of nowhere that you really
think is the Arthur Smith type of guy. You think
about what Philipe Frank's has done at tied end, not
at quarterback, because I don't. I still even though we've
seen him more at quarterback at like in preseason games,
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I feel like I have to tell people, like, it's
not a rage what we saw him do as a
tight end. No, right, Like I feel like people think
that I'm crazy for being like, oh, Felipe Franks is
going to make this fifty three man as a tight end,
But like, yeah, I wish I wish that you could
have seen what we saw in the first two weeks
of camp and what he was doing where he was
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taking one hundred percent of his reps at tight end.
So those are just oh, d Alfred, I can go on.
There are so many names that just keep popping into
my mind as it kind of rolls in circles that
I think were some of these really fun storylines and
standouts from camp this year. Yeah, it's it's wild, and um,
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We've I've done an exercise where it's like who was
the biggest surprise inclusion, who was the biggest surprise cut
And you think about Jared Bernhardt and d Alfred and
you go back a couple weeks ago, and they would
have been a surprise inclusion back in late July. But
now you look at d Off and you're like, well,
of course he's gonna make it right. It's right, which
is so which is so weird to think about those
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sense of those guys. I think it's been really competitive.
I do think Okay, super tangential moment here, go ahead.
You know how sometimes college and I think it's so
silly when they do this. Oregon, the University of Oregon
is doing it right now when a college football coach
will not name his starting quarterback until like the dude
walks out for the first offensive series, so dumb. Yeah,
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but it's always with a quarterback and it's a big deal.
You don't know what you're dealing with. Okay. I want
that to happen at center so bad. You're like, that's
the that's the storyline you want to push all the
way to Week one. Yeah, And mostly because I think
Arthur would just be like having fun with it. But
let's go ahead and keep the mystery out until until
the starting center walks out. Now is that going to
change how the Saints defend? No? No, no, but it
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would just be so terrific and such a like come
on college football coach, like let's be yeah, like you're
gonna play Georgia, You're seventeen and a half point dogs,
Bone Nicks or anybody else. It doesn't matter. Okay, this
is first of Football podcast. Hey, we can continue talking
about college football. You know, I could talk for days.
I just think it's so silly anyway. But yeah, so
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there's still a lot of unknowns. We talked about center, okay,
and as you bring up all the time, right, who
is a quote unquote starter really doesn't matter. So do
we know who's going to take the lion's share of
the carries at running back? Maybe not in terms of
who's going to be active behind Um Patterson And how
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much there's so much that we don't know that Arthur
Smith has not shown anyone, for example, Felipe Frank's at
tight end that there's a lot of creativity in the
man's mind that will come out in week one and beyond.
Um so I think it's been a really competitive camp. Yeah,
I think it's been one of the most intriguing in
the league, probably because there are so many things up
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for grabs and your integrating to new quarterbacks and those
types of things. When it came to making the roster projections, Tori,
what in your mind was the most difficult position to
cut down and why? I think I go back and forth.
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There were three that I thought. I know you asked
what was the most equal, and now I'm going to
give you three. I thought running back was really difficult.
For what we said about Quadre Allison, right, I thought
he had a really good camp. I thought he did
everything that you needed a guy like him to do
in camp, and it kind of sucks sometimes when everything
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isn't enough. And I'm not saying that this is not
me saying that Quadre is not going to make the roster. No,
I'm just saying for my perspective and where I had
the numbers, I couldn't find a way to make him fit.
And it makes sense because I wanted to carry somebody
else on at another position. But that was really tough
because you know that you have CP, you have Damian Williams,
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who we have not seen hardly at all in the
preseason as we should like we shouldn't see them in
the preseason. We've seen a lot of taller Algier. He's
done some good things. You know, he's making the fifty
three man. You know, you have to carry Keith Smith.
You know you have to carry Avery Williams, even though
Avery Williams is not technically on the totem pole in
terms of where I think the running backs are, but
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you keep him because he's your special team's guy, he's
your return man. You have to keep him and you
carry him as a running back. So that was really difficult.
Then wide receiver, Wide receiver was I feel like I
have written about the wide receivers for weeks. Like everything
that I feel like I've written has had some sprinkling
of the wide receivers in there. I mean, even if
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you go back to the offseason program when they were
carrying like thirteen years, I mean you were writing about that. Then.
It's been a very intriguing position group. Yeah, because it's
one of those that you knew kind of who your
locks where, you knew Dreg London, Alominate Zechius, Brian Edwards,
you knew that they were locks. Everybody else after that,
the two or three roster spots that you maybe had open,
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everybody kind of felt like they were on the same
playing field. They felt very similar in terms of like
they would flash some days, they'd have some days that
they weren't that flashy. I think Cadaryl Hodges is somebody
who in the last two weeks has established himself as
a fifty three man roster guy. Yeah, so then you're
looking at one, maybe two spots and you think of
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guys like Demir Bird, Frank Darby, Jared byrne Hart, Cameron Batson.
These guys were very much all on the same level.
And that was something that I thought was when I
think about this receiver group and who you pick and choose,
it was like, Okay, who helps you out the most
on special teams? At this point, it's like who's going
to allow you to get the most bang for your buck?
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And I, to be honest, like I still go back
and forth like do you carry six? Do you carry five?
Do you carry Demir and Frank Darby? Do you carry
Frank Darby and Jared Bynhart? Like who what is the
combination of guys that you're carrying, and what's the right
collection of talent and talent diversity to round out this group, right,
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Because for a long time, Geronimo Allison and Autumn Tate
were in this conversation. Yeah, until very recently, until very
recently when you cut the roster from eighty five to
eighty which was last week. So they were in the
conversation up until last week, and then you got to
see more clarity a little bit as to who these
coaching who these coaches are really choosing between. And I
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think it's still one of those things that if you
have Frank Darby make the fifty three man, Jared Burnhart's
on the practice squad, if you have Burnhart on the
fifty three man, Darby's on the practice squad, you know,
like I think that these are guys that we're going
to continue to see around. But that was a position
group that I felt like there were some guys who
were kind of very similarly, not wired, but like they
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were kind of on the same level in my head. Yeah,
and I look at if let's stick with that position
for one second. On the back end, when I when
I chose Bernhardt and Derby was still out there he's
an energetic guy and he's a really good teammate. People
like him. He's always at an eleven. But he's like
super positive energy. Right. It's not like necessarily like annoying.
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He's just like he just loves being a football player.
He just like lives at like a five hour energy
level all the time, Like if five hour energy was
like a person over twenty four hours. It's ring Darby.
I feel like you should work an endorsement deal out
of that. Um, You're welcome, But I go back and
I think, is Jared Bernhardt gonna get picked up by
somebody else? There's some good preseason tape out there, and
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he's new to the position, and all it takes is
one area scout to pound his fist on the table
really loudly and say, let's add this guy to the
fifty three man or let's bonus the living Bejesus out
of him to get him on our practice squad. There's
a lot of things that can happen when you just
let go, and can would that same thing happen for
dar You kind of go back and forth on that
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because I'm sure to your point, they don't want to
lose either. Of those guys, so that that's another element
that you have to add in here, or can you
keep them and then sneak him on the practice squad
like a week later when waivers are involved. There's so
many different elements to it, right well, and two, like
you think about how much the Falcons are looking at
other fifty three man rosters and who's getting cut from
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other fifty three man rosters. People are doing the same
thing here. People are also looking to see if Jared
Burnhart falls through the cracks. I mean, these are things
that are actively happening. It's not just like we're living
in this very like stagnant like place here in Atlanta
and we're in this little bubble new new, new new, like.
I can promise you this that the entire front office
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for the Falcons has every single eye on every single
cut that is made across the league. They do more
fifty three man roster projections than we do, which we
do job, we do a lot of them. I'm curious.
Your third ye difficult position group to cut down was
that inside linebacker? It was okay, yeah, perfect transition. I
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agree with you, because they just have they have too
many deserving guys then they have spots, especially now that
Deon Jones is in the mix. Right, Yeah, now that
Deon Jones is back, and we don't know what the
future of Dion Jones in Atlanta is and I'm not
going to speculate one way or the other, but even
saying that, this is a podcast and this is what
we do, so I think it was really interesting because
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you think about that inside linebacker position and you know,
you have Michael Walker and Rashawn Evans and they're your starters.
Arthur Smith has said that, he said, I'm not taking
that away from them simply because Deon Jones is back
on the field. Deon has to earn his starting spot back.
And it's crazy that we're saying that because this is
a former pro bowler, but makes sense because Rashawn and
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Michael Walker have been doing some good things at the position.
Michael Walker especially, I've talked to him a lot about
the growth that he's had and really feeling like he's
the vocal leader of this defense. Then you have a
guy like Troy Anderson, who they drafted and who they
really feel strongly is a not first year starter, but
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a developmental guy. And then you have Deon Jones. And
we don't know what's going to happen, but I could
see a realm in which they keep Deon Jones on
the fifty three man, stash somebody else away and see
if a trade comes to fruition, and then you have
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you enact a trade. You do what you gotta do
in terms of cap all that kind of stuff, because
the only logical way to part ways with Deon Jones,
if you're wanting to part ways with Deon Jones, is
a trade. You cannot cut him. Deon Jones will not
be cut from this roster. And this is this is
just us stating facts in terms of its benefits or
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lack thereof, in relation to the salary, right exactly, Yes,
that's exactly what I'm saying. It does not make sense
if you're talking about from the money in the business standpoint,
it does not make sense to cut Dion Jones. Now,
it does make sense to trade him, right, but it
takes two to tango, and so you need somebody who
would want Deon Jones. And I feel like there probably
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are some situations out there across the league where people
would be curious to see what Deon Jones can do
in a different system. I also think it was kind
of an important move for the Falcons and for Dion
Jones too, to get some tape on him to show
that yes, he's healthy, Yes he's fully rehabbed his shoulder,
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he's good to go, kind of putting him on his
silver fladder to be like, hey, here you go. But
we don't know what's going to happen. But all I
know is is that you kind of have to carry
him on the fifty three man roster if a trade
is not enacted in the next twenty four hours. Yeah,
and there's again it goes back to if you let
somebody go, will he eventually be back in your building?
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And you did the defensive side of our fifty three
man roster projection this time, and you kind of, which
I think was a smart thing. You elaborated on what
might happen. I feel like I needed to. Yeah, there
were so many You think about Marlon Davidson, who has
been injured, reportedly injured for the last couple of weeks,
who we have not seen at all, and you're not
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going to carry him on the fifty three man roster
like more or if this is an actual significant injury,
you're going to put him on IR, right, which opens
up another spot. And so it was almost kind of
like I kept doing that for different positions across the defense,
because defense, it really felt like there were some spots
where you had to have that clarity as to like, hey,
I'm putting Marlon Davidson on the initial fifty three man roster,
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but that's not me saying that he's going to be
on it twenty four hours later, right, because of the
rule that if you put him on injured reserve before
the initial fifty three man roster formation, he's done for
the year, right if he If he's on the fifty
three man and then goes on IR the next day,
he's eligible to return. So that's a huge designation. And
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so back to inside linebacker thing, Yes you have you
have Nick Quikowski out there. He's been a little banged up.
I've seen him play before when I was covering the Raiders.
He's a good established player. He's been a starter, he's
been a solid reserve who's come in, especially with the
Chicago Bears, and been really good. He could easily get
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swiped up too. He could be a cheaper option for
some other teams. So that's the thing is that once
this fifty three man and these cuts happen, you lose
a little bit of control, right, and then you kind
of need everything to go the way that you want
it to go. And that's why I think with the
three positions that we're talking about, we're talking about having
more talents than you want to keep, than you're allowed
to keep, and then you got to like, you know,
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take the leash off and then hope to like hope
they come back home, right, like hope nothing else happens
anywhere else to entice them elsewhere. But then at the
exact same time, you're probably also thinking the back of
your head, oh, is there any players that we would
like to entice to come here transition? And I think
that that is a very real possibility. You and I
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have discussed, I believe, on podcasts before, definitely in writing
and for certain as we're just like randomly talking games
and stuff about the fact that there are certain position
groups in my opinion and yours, the defensive line where
it's very possible that the group they go into the
regular the first fifty three, the five or so guys
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that they have, maybe they're going to make an addition there, right, Yes,
So with the defensive line, I feel like I've said
for a couple of weeks now, I know we've talked
about it, that the depth that you need across the
defensive interior is currently not in Atlanta. And I know
that that's like pretty harsh to say, but I did.
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I do think that there are going to be some
cuts made across the defensive interior across the league that
you could go find someone who could come in and
help you immediately in terms of depth, because there's no
other position group that has suffered the injuries to the
degree the defensive line has so many injuries, a retirement,
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like there are so many things that happened with this
defensive interior that it almost to me it's like you've
gotta like there are some guys on eighty man rosters
that could come in and help immediately. But then also
in saying that, and I even wrote this after the
game on Saturday, the third preseason game, we saw some
guys like Derek TAngelo and Nick Thurman and Abdullah Anderson
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play pretty well. They played as well as I think
I've seen a second third string defensive line play in
a preseason game maybe ever this we're talking about preseason
games now, so I have I do add that cab.
But they almost it was almost kind of like them
being like, hey, Tory, like eat your words. You've been
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saying for now two weeks that we're us as a
collective group cannot make this fifty three man or we
will make it, but then they're gonna go out and
get somebody signed, somebody else, and then we're gonna be gone.
They put up a fight on Saturday that I think
should be noted, and it's one of those things where
it's like, did they prove on Saturday and throughout this
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last week of the preseason that they do deserve spots
on this fifty three man roster and they do deserve
to be considered as the important depth pieces that the
Falcons desperately need a defensive line. They've made their case.
I will say that they have made their case, and
they have made me kind of rethink a little bit
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where I think this position group goes in the next
week two weeks. Yeah, And I talked to Derek TAngelo
after Saturday's game. One great dude, delightful human being. Yeah,
really too. He is as college roommates with Arnold Eba Katie.
My favorite story to come out of preseason was talking
to both of them together and go find the video.
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Go find the video. It's it's circle. It's probably on
my Twitter. It circled Twitter a few times. But they
have like they sing, So it was like they had
a house at Penn State and Ak like very much
like wanted Derek TAngelo to live with him, and so
he essentially like made him live with him, and they
had of like it was like five guys in this house,
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and they had like a recording studio and Ak sang
and TAngelo like did all this stuff and it was
just very it was it was an amazing, like five
minutes of just pure happiness. I loved. I loved the relation.
I love their relationship. Yeah, and I think nobody was
happier about Tangelo's performance than Ak. And that includes Derek, right,
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because because I talked to both guys and Arnold's because
Arnold is is is a high second high second round
draft pick, I can say that, right, who they traded
up to get security? Yeah, right, and then he's got
his buddy who is like scrapping and fighting for ever
for a roster spot and a chance to show that
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he can make it in this league. So he's really pulling.
I think there's more drama when it comes to what
Derek is going to do than even we could have
a spend five minutes about how we've seen Arnold evolve
and produce and all these other types of things. So
I do think defensive line is one of those spots.
I think the secondary looks secondary looks pretty set. I
think the offensive line looks pretty set at this point.
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But gosh, you go back to that defensive line. If
you were to do a fifty three man roster projection
in May, it's Anthony Rush, Grady Jarrett, to Quon Graham,
Marlon Davidson. I don't know if Eddie Goldman was signed yet,
let's just say that he was and Vincent Taylor. It
looked very different because Abdula Anderson wasn't on this roster
in July, and Derek TAngelo has has flashed. They even
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lost Jalen Dalton yea at some point during the year.
So think about the attrition, right, Yeah, who was he
was playing a lot he was that you almost thought
that he had the edge for that fourth or fifth spot.
So talk about a position coach that has done his
work this summer is Gary Emmanuel My goodness. Um. So
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I think as we look at it and as we
kind of wrap up here, Tory um kind of okay.
So we've talked a lot about Tuesday, right, and then
we've talked a lot about what's gonna come after. Some
guys are gonna end up on ir. Maybe you're gonna
have some signings. You're gonna build a sixteen man practice squad. Okay,
So now they've got a week or two to head
into that Saints game. Now it's game time. Right, we've
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seen our last open practice. It's here. Oh you're like upset,
and I'm like, thank God. But no matter how you
feel about it, right, um, we're heading towards Saints Week. Um.
This this collection of talent, I think, um kind of
fun thoughts on it is. I think all the competition
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has really forged, forged this roster, and they got that
chip on your shoulder, we don't care about your expectations, attitude.
I think all those things have been good. I think
it will help them as they move forward. I do
two and I think it's one of those things where
we still don't really know what the identity of this
team is. We can say like chip on your shoulder,
but what does that mean in terms of actual football? Yeah,
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and like I love that mentality, but can you show
it to me on the field in the heat of
the moment? And I think that is where we are
right now, where we still have so much to learn
about this team. Well after the fifty three men roster
is quote unquote set. And I use quote unquote set
because it's never set. But as Arthur Smith said, the
Hayes never in the barn and that's accurate. And that's accurate.
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So moving forward, can you show me that you do
have a chip on your shoulder when you play the Saints,
the Rams, the Seahawks, whoever else. We're playing in the
first month of the season, right and it's it's gonna
be fast to see in the end. After the final
preseason game, Tory wrote, there are still more questions. Yeah,
and there are a lot more questions about a team
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with a lot of new That's what's going to be
fascinating as we watch the Falcons progress through the early
portion of the season, and you will hear all about
what we're learning, what we've seen what we expect moving forward.
On the Falcons Final Whistle Podcast, Thank you guys so
much for joining yet again, don't forget. After the Falcons
set their initial fifty three man our buddies over at
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Falcon's Audible are going to break this whole thing down,
so rate review all that type of stuff, and yeah,
we'll talk to you soon, my ear