June 15, 2022 • 35 mins
Professional development facilitator and author, Page Fehling, joins Kristen to discuss leaving her 17-year TV career to become an entrepreneur, creating a fun-infused family lifestyle and the story behind developing an award-winning podcast with her husband.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
When I sort of got to where I was really
feeling like this TV schedule, as great as it's been,
my priorities now are freedom in my own schedule, to
be in charge of what I'm doing and to do
the stuff that I was wanting to do for so
long that I just couldn't because you can't have two
full time jobs and a family and you know, all
the other and a podcast in a book and all
the so I just kind of said, how's the time.
(00:26):
Welcome to Season two of The Inspired Podcast, presented by
Atrium Health. This is a podcast series for Panthers fans
where we highlight admirable women from across the Carolinas as
they share stories and lessons from their lives and careers.
And my guest today is an absolute powerhouse. Page Tailing
is a leadership and communications coach. She's an author, she's
(00:46):
a podcast host. You may know her from any one
of those endeavors, or you may know her from her
years as a television host and news anchor of Good
Day Charlotte. Or you may know her from her incredible
Instagram page, which is, for my money, one of the
most joyful places on the internet. Page. And I mean
that It puts me in a good mood anytime I
see you or your husband Jake's um I g posts.
(01:09):
What a lovely thing to say. It is the truth.
And thank you so much for being here. This is
so exciting. Thank you for having me. I know I'm
pumped to be here. Speaking of Instagram, this is neither
here nor there. We're gonna dive into to everything life
and work in just a second. But I do have
to ask you. I mean, you were just with one
Katy Perry recently in Las Vegas. I mean, like, did
you just get off the plane from Vegas to hear
(01:31):
basically from what I remember, I need the details. It
goes quickly. Vegas is a lot farther than I remembered
it being when I was flying by myself than when
I was flying with my kid and keeping her entertained
for the four and a half hour. Thankfully she's nine now,
so she can lock into a screen, you know whatever.
But yeah, that was with my best friend from college.
She's she works in entertainment and has these amazing hookups.
(01:54):
And she texted me a couple of months ago and
she said, hey, um, if I could get the girls
to v I p Katy Perry and Vegas. Would you
want to take the girls on a trip to Vegas
at the end of the school year. And I was like, yeah,
let me think about I'm not sure. I just quit
my job. Let's go for you. It was literally like
I was like, my schedule just freed up a lot.
I can do that, and it was the most fun.
(02:15):
We had daughters three months apart. June is my third, Maddie.
It's her first and only, and she was pregnant on
we were on vacation together and I literally said to Jake,
if we're going to have babies the same time, I
need to get pregnant, like today. She was pregnant, So
I did, and we just kept our fingers crossed the
whole time that my lap my third, would be a girl,
or that they would be the same sex. Whatever she had.
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She had her first, and I was just like, I
wanted a girl anyway because we had two boys and
then I had a girl. So we forced them to
be best friends. Every year we take a trip and
this year that was it. I love it. As as
the kids would say, you understood the assignment, right, yeah,
I mean really, you were like, all right, this is
this is sound's going to be My best friend is
having a little girl. We got to do this right
now and happening. How amazing that it's worked out to
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what you had envisioned. I know. I'm just in that
phase of life. My my friends are. I'm a new mom,
my friends are starting to have kids, and we just
did a group trip last weekend with two little so
there are ten Why am I telling this this is
This is not the part of the podcast. You know,
we're here to talk about interview interviewer. I love it
because I want to know about you too, so I'll
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try not to do that. Well, no, I'm I'm so excited,
but I'm just like, I'm sure no one listening is like,
we don't care what trip you took last week, and
let's get too pages stories. But that is one thing
that I do want to talk to you about is
being a mom. And you just look like you have
so much fun with your kids all the time, And
as I enter that phase of life, that is what
I hope to be, So I would love to start there.
That's not where I was planning on starting. What is
(03:39):
it like being the cool mom? And how do I
do it? I don't know. Let me find one so
I can ask her. You guys are always look like
you're having so much fun as a family. Listen, I will.
I will tell you the truth. We do have a
ton of fun as a family, and it's not all
fun of course, you like, I'm not going to post
on Instagram the stuff that's that sort because who to
(04:00):
see that? And I don't mean that in like I'm
going to be dishonest on Instagram kind of way. But
I would say Jake and I trash our kids on
Instagram as much as wesmag as we you know, do
the whole like, oh, they're here and aren't they fun?
And it saysn't. And then when I say trash, I
mean we tease them, we joke about them. We you know,
it's not. It is a lot of work to be
a parent. When the first when I just reference to
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and I'm sure we'll get into it more. But I
had a big career transition this past fall. I left
a seventeen year TV career to start my own business.
And everyone says, oh, and you know what, you're a good,
good call because you're never going to get this time
back with your kids. So I can see why you
would do it, and I'm like, I did not change
my career to have more time with my kids. I
have plenty of time with those knuckleheads. I enjoy them
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when we're together for the most part. But it's not
you know, it's not all roses. It is so much
of it is we spent the last Christian how old
our oldest thirteen, I have spent until last week, so
twelve and a half years teaching him to close the
dishwasher a for he empties it like it you know
what I mean? It takes that long. And now I'm like,
(05:03):
he does chores, but it took it takes twelve years
to teach someone to close a dishwasher. That's a perfect
way to describe parenting. I mean, it's but it, but
it is I will say, being married to the right
person to to make that kind of stuff fun. Jake
is really good at just making things into a humorous
kind of have fun with it sort of thing that
otherwise could suck. So that I think is key because
we do try to make stuff fun that like if
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we're if we're cleaning the house, I'll turn music on
and dance too. By the way, that doesn't mean the
kids think it's fun. It just means we have more
fun doing it. I think that maybe that's part of
the game. I like that. I like knowing that though
you know which is that it sometimes it's for you. Yeah, exactly,
and the kids just roll with it. I always joke
that we give our kids good figure it out skills.
(05:45):
I'm a disaster in terms of keeping track of details.
That's why I was. I was good on air, I
was not good as a producer. I started off wanting
to be a producer, and I quickly realized, no, no,
I need someone to do the details of everything because
I will miss them. I suck at them. And we
dropped our eleven whatever. He was a loven or twelve,
and so I can't even I don't even remember their agent.
It's okay. One time last year and he started walking
in and Jaco's hey, do you have your um oh,
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I'm sorry. The teacher said, does he have a syllabus?
Because it was like an orientation day and Cal looked
at Jake and Jake was like, oh, and he looked
back at the cocos. It's fine, go, I'll figure it out.
And he told me when I got to this. I
feel so bad. We sent Kelly's supposed to have a syllabus.
We know it's his first day of middle school, so
we're switching classes for the first time. And I said,
you know what, we give them good like our kids
are all they They're used to this enough that they
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figure it out. I've never once packed him a bag,
packed him a suitcase. Not because again, I would love
to tell you Christen, it's because I have this grand
parenting scheme of I do this to create independence in
my children. It's because I don't want to pack a
second suitcase other than my own. So I tell them,
here's what we're gonna do, here's what we need. And
by the way, if we get there and you didn't
puck underpants, everywhere has a target. Yeah, okay, I'm writing
(06:50):
all of this down. I just I love that approach
so much. Um and I love what you said about
teaching them independence, whether it's directly or indirectly. But what
cool thing for cal to have where he walks in
on you know, a day that a lot of kids
are probably nervous, and he's like, just go on, mom,
I'll figure it out. I love that that is so
cool and and like I said, it just seems like
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you guys just really enjoy being around each other, and
I think that's what we all. You know, as a
new mom. Of course, I was planning to start with
your career change, but now I'm like, tell me everything
I always say, um with with these guests, I use
it very selfishly. I get to do this podcast to
ask questions that that I want to ask and hopefully
it resonates with with everyone else. So I appreciate you
giving me that little, that little tutorial right there as
(07:32):
I start to navigate this world of parenting. Um. But
I did want to start with this big career change
because it was in September of of last year. I
believe that you am, I am, I right on my
timing that you made this huge career change and decided
to leave TV news as you said, after seventeen years.
So first of all, what has this last year been
(07:53):
like for you? It has been so what's that Let's
do October, November, December, January, every March, April whatever this
is gonna air. Yeah, so eight months, which is crazy
even to me that it's been that long. Um, it's
been wonderful. It has been wonderful and it has been
really gut checking. It has been so freeing for me.
(08:13):
I love to be in charge of my own schedule.
And for so long I always told people, you know,
people coming up through college or wanting to in terms
or whatever would always ask about TV, and I would
always be very honest with people and say, TV is
a career that does not love you back. And what
I'm a great way to put it right. What I
mean by that is it is the schedule is just
pretty grueling no matter what you do. If you if
(08:36):
you host a morning and I'm talking kind of local
news here or news in general, although god sports, it
is even harder because you're it's weekends, nights all. It's
a certainly not think it's even harder, but I am
resonating with what you are saying. Where my wake up
time on ESPN as an in production was three am,
I met, I can't even imagine what yours was. Yeah,
(08:59):
And by the way, I woke up at one seven
to then go to a station and get to talk
with my best friends about what was going on in
the world for four and a half hours. Like I
had so much fun with that job hosting a morning
show for almost ten years. I couldn't believe I got
paid to do it. But yeah, there were many times
when I would look at Jake and go, I don't
know how much longer I can do this schedule. I
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don't know how much longer I can wake up. I
was always tired. I was always either tired or asleep,
like my kids would put me to bed or I
would nap in the day. And then you know, it's like,
you know this with a six months old, you get
to where you kind of go, Okay, we figured that
part out, and as soon as you feel like you
figured it out, the kid does something and everything changes
and you go, oh, we're back to square one, right.
So I figured out one sleep schedule, and then I
(09:41):
was pregnant with the second baby, and then we had
a second baby, and then then my schedule switched from
being a day side to hosting a daytime show, to
going on the morning to where I'm waking up in
the middle of the night and pumping on my way
driving into work, and just these crazy things that I felt.
It was just a lot. It's a lot, no matter
no matter what you do, no matter when doing it,
it's a lot. What kept you going through those things? Because,
(10:02):
as I said, as a new first time mom, it
is hard enough. And as someone who has worked in
TV or sports broadcasting for the last ten eleven years,
I can't imagine having those schedules and having a second
one so close to my first. What was it that
made it worth It? Was it the people that you
worked with and and when you actually got to be
on air and talk about those things. Yes, and it
(10:23):
was the I mean, I just love people, and it
was the connection with the people, you know. Like I said,
when I was there, it was so much fun. And
I am very much wired to get the stuff done
first and then relax. So I'm in the same way. Yes,
I don't know how people anchor evening newscasts for two reasons.
A because I can't stay up late. I'm not an idol.
My brain turns off at like eight pm. But also
(10:45):
you have work hanging over your head that whole time,
exactly the same way. The only thing I've found that
I don't feel that way about is a night game,
specifically for the Panthers or when I was covering college football,
where the anticipation in is so much fun. Yes, but
I know exactly what you were taught. I have to
work out first thing in the morning, yes, or I
(11:06):
won't get it done because I have to be the
same exactly my life, Like this is exactly things that
I would say. Do you know my first name is Kristen,
spelled the same way as years too. Oh my god,
we're the same. You know my middle name is Page,
called the same. Kidding could be though, anyway, back to
your original question. So it worked. Listen for as long
(11:27):
as it did. It worked. It was great. But I
had actually always thought that I was going to do
what I'm doing now before I fell into TV. My
grandmother was a trainer, my mom, my uncle. I grew
up from the age of twelve going to class with them,
sitting in the back of their classes, and then gradually
helping them teach through all my high school years college.
When I would come back and it was everything what
they used to call soft skills they now called power
(11:49):
power skills in the world of HR. So it's anything
interpersonal such a better name. Yeah, yea. It had like
a PR campaign and they were like, let's call these
what they are. So it's anything you know, dealing with
difficult people, personality Indicator on the Myers Briggs Personality Type
Indicator UM, interviewing skills, resume writing. Back in the day,
(12:10):
it was you know all of those things. Now I
do lots of public speaking training and presentation skills, kind
of mixing those into sort of combining all of the
years of TV and what I learned there, and then
all of the years of with them having done that
and the curriculum that kind of comes from all of
the above and fitting it together. So when I sort
of got to where I was really feeling like this
TV schedule, as great as it's been, my priorities now
(12:33):
are freedom in my own schedule, to be in charge
of what I'm doing and to be able to and
to do this stuff that I was wanting to do
for so long that I just couldn't because you can't
have two full time jobs and a family and you
know all the other and a podcast and a book
and all the So I just kind of said, now's
the time. By the way, the news cycle of didn't help.
I could see that yet. You know, it was a
(12:54):
pretty heavy year, and I was just kind of I
kind of got to where I was like, I don't
know if the stuff I'm talking about on television. It's
helping people and informing them and helping to bring our
world together more or just causing divisiveness and me and
I just sort of it was just all of those
things combined. I kind of want, you know what, maybe
I'll try to do something that I know I'm really
good at and I feel like I can more directly
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help people with. I always ask retired players this, um,
and I'll say, you know, because especially they do it
at such a young age, like you, right where your
career is ending, and then you get to go. I'm
when you think about the term retirement for players, um,
you know, they've spent their whole life doing this one thing.
So I always asked this question, What was the first
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day like that you woke up, not at one seven?
How did you feel? Oh? Honestly wonderful at first? Right,
I woke up and worked out the first thing in
the morning, get that out of the way, that's always
the you know, thing hanging over my head. And for
the first getting the kids off to the bus and everybody,
and then I come home and for five minutes it
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felt great, And then for like thirty minutes of every
hour and then on I went, what am I doing?
What's what's the first thing on my to do list?
What's the how? Why am I folding laundry when I
should be putting together a proposal? Do I have a call?
You know, It's amazing how much of the day you
can spend spinning on what's the priority. I no longer
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had anyone telling me what to do and when to
do it. I heard Dwyane Wade actually in a in
an interview around that time, and this is the only
way I would ever compare myself to a retired and
being player. But he talked about the same thing. He said,
you know, when you play in the NBA every morning,
it's this time, shoot around, breakfast at this time, short
for the game here put TV is the same way
hair and makeup, set three, get there. You gotta read
through your scripts by four, be on the set by
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four twenty audio check, you know, and then you get off.
You have the morning meeting of this your home, you
nap the kids. You got to get Brent day to day.
I came home that first day and by the way,
still like tomorrow, I'll do this and go, Okay, what
do I need to work? On my website first, or
do I need to get this proposal for the client
that's waiting, Or do I need to download the video
of the virtual keynote that I did yesterday to cut
it up to put it on the like, someone tell
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me what to do. Football players feel like that all
the time as well, because it is so regimented and
you're used to it that there could be a little
bit of this existential dread. I think people like get
it on off day. Sometimes you're like, I should be
doing something right now, or I need to do twenty things.
Where do I start? So? How have in the last
eight months you prioritized? Have you gotten into a rhythm
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with all of the different things that you are doing?
So I've actually found I'm a big list maker and
to do list person. I love to check things off,
but I have discovered that if I make a list,
I get so focused on that stupid list and I
get dread ease of it. I don't want to do it,
and I work so much better on spontaneous things. For example,
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if I'm wanting to post too, I didn't post to
LinkedIn until last week. Okay, I never needed it before,
it's not now. It should be my main source of
of business development, right But I just it's not my world.
I live on Instagram, Instagram. It's comfortable to me Instagram stories.
But I've known all along I to do. It was
on my to do list, you know, put together your
profile and set that up, and finally one day I
(16:05):
just started. I just picked up my phone and did it.
Rather than go for the plan, I just do better
with a spontaneity of pick up, pick up the phone
and find something that's trending on Instagram right then and
record it in a reel rather than I have christ
I have a page and a half of real saved
of audios that I wrote out the title and what
I could like. This could tie with parenting, This could
tie with work. This could because I'm a great planner.
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But then I don't ever do the plan unless I
just do it in the moment. I am the same way.
It's it's kind of like, you know, if you put
on your list, I gotta call, but this doctor's office
or whatever. If it's on my list, I won't put
it off versus just picking up the phone and calling.
What is that? It's too easy to put it off
if you have you're like, Okay, I'll get to that.
I'll get to the more important stuff first, and then
I'll get to this, and then yes, and you're tired
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of the list. You're tired of the list, and self
imposed deadlines don't feel like deadlines, right, Yes, Like a
live TV deadline is you're going on live TV hard
out to hit this commercial ground. And whereas if I
say I need to get this thing done by blah
blah blah, I'm like, I know I'm not gonna do
it tomorrow. Yeah, exactly, That's that is great advice. I
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do feel like we are the same person. So again,
using this to selfishly pick up all the tips that
I can, I think you should be your tips should
be what not to do in many cases with some
of the things I've learned along. Now, I'm I always
take little notes. I always joke with it with our guests,
and so I'm writing all of this stuck down. I'm like,
I like, I like that I could use that approach.
So now, a lot of the stuff that you do,
you work with your husband Jake, who I know we
(17:34):
were just talking earlier. We grew up in the same town.
He gave me one of my first jobs in sports
at us A baseball and now I get to work
with him every game day, which is just the best.
And now here's another thing that I'm going to ask
you about working with your spouse. My husband and I
have been together for a very long time. We love
each other. We know that like a long a long
road trip is not something that we would both enjoy,
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and I don't know that we could work together and
that works for us, right like we are better to
do our own thing for a little while. So I
admire people that can work together. What is that like?
And how did you know that that was going to
be something that you two could thrive on? Gosh? So
I think it helps that we don't technically work full
time together. You know, he has his own big boy
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job and I have my own big girl job, and
we collaborate for projects that we think are fun that
are technically work. I mean, you know, people have them
as careers, people are career authors or career podcast post
For us, they are side fun projects. But it's funny
you say that because when I transition to my own career,
running my own show and doing doing my own thing,
he is very good at all the business. He sides
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of things that I suck at. He's great with like Excel,
and he built my website and he helped me with,
you know, all the canvas stuff that I don't know.
I had never done a power point and I didn't
that was not my world. And they're really good at
it and can do it quickly. And so I asked
him for a lot of help. And at one point
I asked him to proof read something before I sent
it to a client, and he got be with me
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and understandably was annoyed because he was like, I'm doing
a lot of and I turned to go, but Jake,
we're business partners, and he goes, no, no, we let
me be perfectly clear. You have your own business. I
will help you with stuff when I can, but this
is your business. I am not your business partner. He goes,
we're life partners. But there's a difference. And I said,
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of course. At the time, I was very probably heated
about it, and I didn't take it as well as
I'm portraying, like I said, whatever you say, dear No,
I said, of course, I understand your point. What would
you like a contel? You give me this information? But
it was really actually a good boundary for him to
set early on, and it helped us over the course
of a couple of weeks and probably set those because
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he's like, I don't mind helping you, but you can't
come to me and say, oh my god, this is
due tomorrow. Can you fix it. I have to put
together this power point for a speech I'm giving tomorrow.
Like I don't have time to do that, and I can't.
That's not fair to me. But if you want me
to help you with something, tell me which tell me
exactly what you need. Basically, give me an assignment and
I'll work on it, like in the evenings when you
go to bed and still in bed before he does.
And he doesn't mind doing that, but I needed to
know I can't just treat him like my assistant who's
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at my back and call it to help with stuff now,
with things like the podcast and I co hosted a
podcast called Date Nite with Jake and Page, which actually
came about because of interviews I had done with Panthers. Really, yeah,
I know there's no way really that you would have.
So when I was still in tv UM, I started
doing the first one was with Thomas Davis Thomas and
Kelly Love love Thomas right spectacular. So Kelly used to
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come on as a parenting expert on Good Day Charlotte
on the morning show, and she was always just spectacular.
Thomas came on with her one or not with her
one time and he, you know, gave us an interview
of very typical athletes. They give the soundbites that they're
used to giving, you know, and he was like, very lovely,
but you know, you get the soundbites. The next time
she came and he was like flirting with her and
laughing and I us see a whole different side of
somebody when their person is there. Right. So all of
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that to say, I'll make this quicker, but it started.
I want to hear all the details. It started a
series called Couples Therapy, where I would go to their
houses and do interviews with the couples because it was
just so much more. Gregg Olson actually gave me that
name because he turned to Kara during our the interview
with them, which I think was maybe after Thomas or
maybe after somebody else, and he goes, God, I feel
like we're incomplished. That's what I'm gonna name this series.
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That so then that transition to Jake and I trying
to get into a podcast called Date Night, where the
two of us sit down with another couple and it's
just kind of a get to know you. I love
and I've seen the clips and it does look like
you guys are out on a double date. And that's
it's the best part, right of just talking to another
couple having fun telling stories. That's so cool. I I
love that. And then you guys wrote a book together.
(21:36):
Tell me, I don't want to. You gotta the name.
The title is, it's all so good, Please tell everybody
about it. So the title of the book is holy crap,
We're pregnant, And we joke because we we published it
ten years after our last child was born. As a
new mom. I completely understand. I completely understand. Well we
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kept we started writing it, so it started off as
a blog at my old station. We all everyone had
to do a blog. So I was pregnant at the time.
And when you're pregnant or planning your wedding, you think
that that's I mean, that's your world, right, that's you
think everyone else like needs to learn what you're learning
or experience what you're learning. So you're writing about it.
And he jumped on and did a guest blog for
me one time, as like the dad perspective from the pregnancy,
and I got so many comments from people, you guys
(22:18):
should write a book. You should. We love Jake's Part
two and Da Da da, And we thought there are
so many books out there. He was sent all these
books from the dad's perspective and I was had all
these books from the mom's perspective. But there weren't any
couple books that you could read together and kind of
share that together. It felt like a very separate experience.
So we started. Basically what we did is we broke
down pregnancy into chapters, all the trimesters in the different
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parts of pregnancy, and I would write my perspective and
he would write his, but we would not and then
we would react to each other's but we weren't allowed
to read the other person's before. So it was so
fun because the things that would come up for one
or that we would remember things differently. Yeah, of course
you know, we would, I mean, and we we would
focus on different things. Sometimes it was the same, but
sometimes and it just was such a thought. It on
like the difference between the experience for the dad and
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the experience for the mom. I have not read a book.
I'm a big reader. I have not read a book
since I think before I finished the books, since before
I gave birth. But as soon as I have the time,
and hopefully if we have a second I'm I'm getting that.
I love an audio too, so you can you can.
I'm a lazy reader. I listened to almost everything on audiobooks. Okay,
I'm reading this immediately because I imagine there's something when
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when you recognize something, especially as going through pregnancy or
or new parenting, and you can just laugh, you know,
and you go, oh my gosh, you guys do that too,
or that's how this is. I love and that you know.
I love that you said that, because that's exactly my point.
And that's what I meant when I said, Jake has
is good to do parenting with. And it's good because
so many things happened that you realize we could choose
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to laugh about this, and we wanted to, you know,
we could have a breakdown about this, or we could
laugh like which you kind of do. Get to choose,
and if you train yourself to go, let's find the
humor in it instead. I've been guilty of that. You know,
with your pregnant, your hormones are going all over the place.
I remember one time and now, why are you crying?
And I went, I don't know, and then we both
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just burst out laughing. I mean, you know, it's just
amazing just when you go, this is so silly. What
are we doing? What am I doing? I have no idea,
you know, And it's so fun to find the humor
and things. And that's why I said, I just I
love you guys Instagram pages. It's just like a shot
of Sarahtonin and I mean I really mean that. I'm like,
first of all, I cannot dance like You'm like, how
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does she do that? I wish I will say that's
fun um when the kid. Now that the kids are
old enough to be part of things with it that
are actually fun to do, like Instagram dances. Our kids
don't have social media themselves, so they're still more than
tickled to be to do stuff with us, and they
do like and one of our oldest kid, I'm like,
oh you got some moves? Yeah right, yeah? Have you
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seen that? Like I don't know if the most recent
one did did it? Was that with four? I'm trying
to remember off the top of my head that you
guys did um you and him the most recent one.
What is that dance called because you have the moves? Oh?
Thank you? I mean I can. I'm he doesn't think
so of course she's like mom to do those kinds
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of things with your kids that when they're old enough
to actually enjoy their company and you're not just like
keeping them alive, you know, well while ago although I mean,
as we were just saying before we started rolling it,
I mean, it passes like that, So it's good to
start thinking about it. If you don't mind, Can I
ask you about you were saying your kids don't have
social media? Do you and Jake have those talks and
do you have a set? Is it a they get
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to this age then we can Are we taking it
day by day? Because again that's another thing that I
know that we'll have to talk about at some point.
So I just to preface this with sort of the
part of this that I know would be triggering to
me if I were listening to this, and I totally
get it. I come from a place of judgmental like
I hear other parents do stuff that I'm not doing,
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and of course I'm like, how could they? And then
I do it myself and I go, yeah, it's totally normal. Yeah,
of course I don't know. I think that's all parents, right,
I would never and then of course ye snickers for
dinner up. So Jake and I have been very antiphone,
very anti blah blah blah all, you know, because of
all the because how can you work in news and
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not think that you your kids should not live in
a bubble right for all intents and purposes. So they
have Our oldest is thirteen, thirteen, twelve and nine. We
have kept them. We didn't give them phones forever. Again, yes,
because we didn't want them to have them. But also
I just know myself enough. I'm too lazy to keep
track of someone else's stuff in addition to my own
too much going on, too much. Yeah, I'm like, I
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don't want to deal with all that. So but they
came to us, actually, our boys came to us and
they said they're in middle school now, and they said,
we want to talk to you guys about the phone thing,
because all of our friends leave school and there that's
how they communicate with each other. They're talking there that
everyone has this basically like a social life that we
just aren't able to be a part of. Can we
reconsider the phone thing? And rather than just we try
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not to say no right away, we say, like we
always of them assignments to put together, like proposals to
present to it. They could do your power points going forward.
It sounds like, yes, part of me wants them to
be on social media so they can teach me how
to like do tick too, right, right right. But so
they put together this whole thing, making their case of
here's what here's what the rules could be, here's why
it's important to us, and Jake and I talk to me,
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were like, you know, they make an interesting point because
I don't know about you, but in middle school, in
high school, I spent my life on the phone with
my friends after you know, and they don't think about it.
We don't have landlines anymore, so we literally cut them
off from contact with their friends when they leave school
from that moment forward. So we said, fair point, like,
let's let's see what we can kind of start this eason.
So we but what we have done is we have
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old phones that are basically like iPads because they don't
have um cellular they're not They can't make phone calls,
they can't they can actually text, they can't what have you.
But they can text their friends and they can watch
YouTube on there, and we just set up there's this
thing called bark and truly, any parent listening it has
been a savior because it does the stuff that you
don't have time. I mean, who has time to scroll
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through a third teen year old group chat? Right? I mean, girl,
I can barely get back to my own group chats,
I know. So it will give you alert if there's
a word that comes up for us a website that
you know what I mean. So it helps to do
some of that homeworking kind of part of things. But
it was an interest. It was a parenting learning lesson
for us in listening to our kids and going, maybe
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we shouldn't be as drawing a line on this is
maybe they make a good point. I think it helped.
It made them feel because then we can also say
to them, you guys convinced us, like, good job, you
used your brains and now you have it. And by
the way, also now we have the best thing ever
to take away to get them to do stuff well,
and it sounds like they got to propose what boundaries
they thought could be in place, and I imagine that
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helps with the buy in. Well, hey, you guys said
that this is what the rules would be, so I
always asked them first. Kelly Davis actually gave me that
tip when she was coming on thank You, Thank You
page I'm like writing with sex talk to and just
in general, she said, always ask the kid first, what
do they know? What they already know? What do you
think that is? And then and then kind of fill
in the gaps a little bit. Same thing with the ones,
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Well what do you think would be fair for you
to how long do you think you should be allowed
to be on your phone in the summer? And they say,
you know, because then they're going to be pretty conservative
because they know, you know, like what's going to get
this over the hump here? Like how do we You
said two hours? So like you you hit your thing,
now do the other. That was your good job, we agree,
rather than you saying it. And then they're going to
go like only to it's not even fear just picturing
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my son saying the stuff to me in a few years.
Oh my gosh, that's like a light bulb went off.
Thank you, Kelly, Thank you Paige for sharing that with all. Kelly,
I love it. I love it. So tell me about
the training. As you said, the power skills, and you
said that your third generation, which I love. And you
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always knew that this was something that you wanted to do.
Why has it always been the thing for you? And
what speaks to you about it? Because of the direct
communication with a human being who leaves a day having
come out of a workshop or a class or a
talk saying, oh my god, you just changed my life
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a part of my life. I feel like I'm getting
this right now too, with all know what I'm saying
from you. Right now, I'm like, I'm taking all of this.
You're changing my life well, and I can. I can
appreciate that because I myself have experienced it. Like you said,
the reason that I knew I wanted to do this
is because as I was sitting through these classes from
the age of twelve on, I was going, Oh, that's
helpful to know about goal setting. Oh that's helpful to
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know in an interview, that's what you should do, you know,
And I was thinking, shouldn't it be an offering in
high schools. I mean, I've thought about putting a curriculum
together to offering instead of calculus, right, like the life
skills adult in conversation kind of thing. I mean, I'm
amazed by how many people have never taken a public
speaking class in their life, or took one in their
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a litigator or you know, there's that's that's just one
example of the public speaking part. But that's what I
mean by it is there is no better feeling than
having a really aha moment with people, you know, seeing
something happen for where you go, oh my gosh, this
is going to help you in your professional life and
in your personal life too. And the topics that I
lean towards that I love the most. I just did
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a thing the other day, um with the Myers Briggs
I mentioned before, A lot of people are familiar with
the indiogram and the desk and things. Now Myers Briggs
is kind of one of the O g ones and
I'm certified to teach it. So that's the one that
I do a lot. And people have so many aha
moments when you talk about communication at work having to
do with that, and even more so though they come
up to me and they'll go this just yesterday I
literally did it was a virtual keynote, but somebody putting
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the chat. She goes, I think this is going to
help me with talking to my team. But really this
helps explain my husband so much more to me, and
I now understand why he does makes decisions the way
he does. You know, to be able to kind of
do that with people is just how do you not
want to do it? Yeah? You you, like you said,
you were sending them out into the world something that
they'll hopefully remember for the rest of their lives. And
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because I do think we are in this industry because
we are good at the talking and the listening and communicating.
But there is this whole kind of um unwritten rules
right at secret language. And you know, you meet someone
and you go, oh, their email is not at all
how I would have I. They don't portray themselves in
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an email the way that um they are when you
meet them in person. Or you and I are working
in broadcasting, you want your your real if anyone doesn't
know what that is, you, especially when you're first starting out,
you put your clips together of different stuff you've done,
and it has to represent you. And so there are
all these things that represent the person you are in
a professional setting and you want to put your best
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foot forward. But then something we're just never taught those
things right and and some of us, you know, through
our jobs, I've become a not only a better talker,
but a far better listener because of what I do.
And you're right, just someone could be incredible at what
they do, but they don't always have the best way
to communicate it. And that's what you're helping people with.
And that's my favorite part of the public speaking workshops
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is that people. So the way I run them, and
those came about I thought I would do for companies
who would bring me in and their team comes to
it and they say, you know, you have to go,
and people always never want to and then they go.
They always learned something. But I had a lot of
individuals come to me to and say, this is really
something i'd like to work on, but my company doesn't
offer it, or so I in one of those times
and kept, how's that's gonna happen, how's's gonna happen? A
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Friday afternoon, I just said, forget it. I'm not going
to put a plan together. I'm just gonna go to
Instagram Live and our Instagram Stories and say, hey, I'll
put on one of these workshops. I'll find the place.
If you are an individual who wants to come and
invest in yourself this way, hit me up and we'll
put it together. And I had and I said a cap.
The class at ten had ten people signed up right away. Um,
we had it. I've done I don't know eight to
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ten of them since then, and they are wonderful because
the way the way that we do it is they
have plenty of opportunity to get up in front of
each other, everything from introducing themselves to what's their why too,
why they're doing what they're doing, to practicing memorization techniques
for a presentation they're going to give it work or
toast that give it a wedding. You know, I have
a lot of people sign up for personal reasons is
not connected to work, and they then get to know
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each other throughout the class. And I've had so many
students tell me or reach out to each other for
whatever industry they were in together at the class and
end up working together. Isn't that cool? I know to say,
because it just makes me so happy. I'm like, oh this,
I didn't even know this part was going to be
part of it. And what an approachable way to conquer
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that fear, which is a fear that a lot of
people have of public speaking. And I imagine the hardest
part is signing up. And so maybe if you had
sat down and you know, done the list thing and
put it out on your website or whatnot. But the
fact that you just went on there, who knows if
those same tin people would have signed up immediately if
they had to log on and search for classes. They
just see it, right, I'll page is doing this. This
is gonna be great, And that could be the key
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to it. All is is just you're taking the fear
away of actually doing the signing up part of it. Maybe,
so yeah, it kind of helps to take that intimidation
factor away. Love that. Okay, Okay, I'll be honest. I
could talk to you for like three more hours, but
I know that your time is so valuable. Um So
I'm just going to end it right here, and I
hope that we can do this again because I have
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a thousand more questions to ask you, but I know
that you've got so much going on um, I'll have
to come to my podcast next, but your husband has
to come to Oh my gosh, yes, yes he would.
He would love that for sure, for sure, as long
as it's not, as I said, on a long road trip.
And that's the only one I don't know. Do you
consider Marvin a long road trip? We're past Valentine, it
might be, but we and we're in the bonus room.
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Oh my gosh, no, that sounds incredible. Thank you so
much for being so free with your time and your
advice and your stories. Thank you for having me
When I sort of got to where I was really
feeling like this TV schedule, as great as it's been,
my priorities now are freedom in my own schedule, to
be in charge of what I'm doing and to do
the stuff that I was wanting to do for so
long that I just couldn't because you can't have two
full time jobs and a family and you know, all
the other and a podcast in a book and all
the so I just kind of said, how's the time.
(00:26):
Welcome to Season two of The Inspired Podcast, presented by
Atrium Health. This is a podcast series for Panthers fans
where we highlight admirable women from across the Carolinas as
they share stories and lessons from their lives and careers.
And my guest today is an absolute powerhouse. Page Tailing
is a leadership and communications coach. She's an author, she's
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a podcast host. You may know her from any one
of those endeavors, or you may know her from her
years as a television host and news anchor of Good
Day Charlotte. Or you may know her from her incredible
Instagram page, which is, for my money, one of the
most joyful places on the internet. Page. And I mean
that It puts me in a good mood anytime I
see you or your husband Jake's um I g posts.
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What a lovely thing to say. It is the truth.
And thank you so much for being here. This is
so exciting. Thank you for having me. I know I'm
pumped to be here. Speaking of Instagram, this is neither
here nor there. We're gonna dive into to everything life
and work in just a second. But I do have
to ask you. I mean, you were just with one
Katy Perry recently in Las Vegas. I mean, like, did
you just get off the plane from Vegas to hear
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basically from what I remember, I need the details. It
goes quickly. Vegas is a lot farther than I remembered
it being when I was flying by myself than when
I was flying with my kid and keeping her entertained
for the four and a half hour. Thankfully she's nine now,
so she can lock into a screen, you know whatever.
But yeah, that was with my best friend from college.
She's she works in entertainment and has these amazing hookups.
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And she texted me a couple of months ago and
she said, hey, um, if I could get the girls
to v I p Katy Perry and Vegas. Would you
want to take the girls on a trip to Vegas
at the end of the school year. And I was like, yeah,
let me think about I'm not sure. I just quit
my job. Let's go for you. It was literally like
I was like, my schedule just freed up a lot.
I can do that, and it was the most fun.
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We had daughters three months apart. June is my third, Maddie.
It's her first and only, and she was pregnant on
we were on vacation together and I literally said to Jake,
if we're going to have babies the same time, I
need to get pregnant, like today. She was pregnant, So
I did, and we just kept our fingers crossed the
whole time that my lap my third, would be a girl,
or that they would be the same sex. Whatever she had.
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She had her first, and I was just like, I
wanted a girl anyway because we had two boys and
then I had a girl. So we forced them to
be best friends. Every year we take a trip and
this year that was it. I love it. As as
the kids would say, you understood the assignment, right, yeah,
I mean really, you were like, all right, this is
this is sound's going to be My best friend is
having a little girl. We got to do this right
now and happening. How amazing that it's worked out to
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what you had envisioned. I know. I'm just in that
phase of life. My my friends are. I'm a new mom,
my friends are starting to have kids, and we just
did a group trip last weekend with two little so
there are ten Why am I telling this this is
This is not the part of the podcast. You know,
we're here to talk about interview interviewer. I love it
because I want to know about you too, so I'll
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try not to do that. Well, no, I'm I'm so excited,
but I'm just like, I'm sure no one listening is like,
we don't care what trip you took last week, and
let's get too pages stories. But that is one thing
that I do want to talk to you about is
being a mom. And you just look like you have
so much fun with your kids all the time, And
as I enter that phase of life, that is what
I hope to be, So I would love to start there.
That's not where I was planning on starting. What is
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it like being the cool mom? And how do I
do it? I don't know. Let me find one so
I can ask her. You guys are always look like
you're having so much fun as a family. Listen, I will.
I will tell you the truth. We do have a
ton of fun as a family, and it's not all
fun of course, you like, I'm not going to post
on Instagram the stuff that's that sort because who to
(04:00):
see that? And I don't mean that in like I'm
going to be dishonest on Instagram kind of way. But
I would say Jake and I trash our kids on
Instagram as much as wesmag as we you know, do
the whole like, oh, they're here and aren't they fun?
And it saysn't. And then when I say trash, I
mean we tease them, we joke about them. We you know,
it's not. It is a lot of work to be
a parent. When the first when I just reference to
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and I'm sure we'll get into it more. But I
had a big career transition this past fall. I left
a seventeen year TV career to start my own business.
And everyone says, oh, and you know what, you're a good,
good call because you're never going to get this time
back with your kids. So I can see why you
would do it, and I'm like, I did not change
my career to have more time with my kids. I
have plenty of time with those knuckleheads. I enjoy them
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when we're together for the most part. But it's not
you know, it's not all roses. It is so much
of it is we spent the last Christian how old
our oldest thirteen, I have spent until last week, so
twelve and a half years teaching him to close the
dishwasher a for he empties it like it you know
what I mean? It takes that long. And now I'm like,
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he does chores, but it took it takes twelve years
to teach someone to close a dishwasher. That's a perfect
way to describe parenting. I mean, it's but it, but
it is I will say, being married to the right
person to to make that kind of stuff fun. Jake
is really good at just making things into a humorous
kind of have fun with it sort of thing that
otherwise could suck. So that I think is key because
we do try to make stuff fun that like if
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we're if we're cleaning the house, I'll turn music on
and dance too. By the way, that doesn't mean the
kids think it's fun. It just means we have more
fun doing it. I think that maybe that's part of
the game. I like that. I like knowing that though
you know which is that it sometimes it's for you. Yeah, exactly,
and the kids just roll with it. I always joke
that we give our kids good figure it out skills.
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I'm a disaster in terms of keeping track of details.
That's why I was. I was good on air, I
was not good as a producer. I started off wanting
to be a producer, and I quickly realized, no, no,
I need someone to do the details of everything because
I will miss them. I suck at them. And we
dropped our eleven whatever. He was a loven or twelve,
and so I can't even I don't even remember their agent.
It's okay. One time last year and he started walking
in and Jaco's hey, do you have your um oh,
(06:07):
I'm sorry. The teacher said, does he have a syllabus?
Because it was like an orientation day and Cal looked
at Jake and Jake was like, oh, and he looked
back at the cocos. It's fine, go, I'll figure it out.
And he told me when I got to this. I
feel so bad. We sent Kelly's supposed to have a syllabus.
We know it's his first day of middle school, so
we're switching classes for the first time. And I said,
you know what, we give them good like our kids
are all they They're used to this enough that they
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figure it out. I've never once packed him a bag,
packed him a suitcase. Not because again, I would love
to tell you Christen, it's because I have this grand
parenting scheme of I do this to create independence in
my children. It's because I don't want to pack a
second suitcase other than my own. So I tell them,
here's what we're gonna do, here's what we need. And
by the way, if we get there and you didn't
puck underpants, everywhere has a target. Yeah, okay, I'm writing
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all of this down. I just I love that approach
so much. Um and I love what you said about
teaching them independence, whether it's directly or indirectly. But what
cool thing for cal to have where he walks in
on you know, a day that a lot of kids
are probably nervous, and he's like, just go on, mom,
I'll figure it out. I love that that is so
cool and and like I said, it just seems like
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you guys just really enjoy being around each other, and
I think that's what we all. You know, as a
new mom. Of course, I was planning to start with
your career change, but now I'm like, tell me everything
I always say, um with with these guests, I use
it very selfishly. I get to do this podcast to
ask questions that that I want to ask and hopefully
it resonates with with everyone else. So I appreciate you
giving me that little, that little tutorial right there as
(07:32):
I start to navigate this world of parenting. Um. But
I did want to start with this big career change
because it was in September of of last year. I
believe that you am, I am, I right on my
timing that you made this huge career change and decided
to leave TV news as you said, after seventeen years.
So first of all, what has this last year been
(07:53):
like for you? It has been so what's that Let's
do October, November, December, January, every March, April whatever this
is gonna air. Yeah, so eight months, which is crazy
even to me that it's been that long. Um, it's
been wonderful. It has been wonderful and it has been
really gut checking. It has been so freeing for me.
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I love to be in charge of my own schedule.
And for so long I always told people, you know,
people coming up through college or wanting to in terms
or whatever would always ask about TV, and I would
always be very honest with people and say, TV is
a career that does not love you back. And what
I'm a great way to put it right. What I
mean by that is it is the schedule is just
pretty grueling no matter what you do. If you if
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you host a morning and I'm talking kind of local
news here or news in general, although god sports, it
is even harder because you're it's weekends, nights all. It's
a certainly not think it's even harder, but I am
resonating with what you are saying. Where my wake up
time on ESPN as an in production was three am,
I met, I can't even imagine what yours was. Yeah,
(08:59):
And by the way, I woke up at one seven
to then go to a station and get to talk
with my best friends about what was going on in
the world for four and a half hours. Like I
had so much fun with that job hosting a morning
show for almost ten years. I couldn't believe I got
paid to do it. But yeah, there were many times
when I would look at Jake and go, I don't
know how much longer I can do this schedule. I
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don't know how much longer I can wake up. I
was always tired. I was always either tired or asleep,
like my kids would put me to bed or I
would nap in the day. And then you know, it's like,
you know this with a six months old, you get
to where you kind of go, Okay, we figured that
part out, and as soon as you feel like you
figured it out, the kid does something and everything changes
and you go, oh, we're back to square one, right.
So I figured out one sleep schedule, and then I
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was pregnant with the second baby, and then we had
a second baby, and then then my schedule switched from
being a day side to hosting a daytime show, to
going on the morning to where I'm waking up in
the middle of the night and pumping on my way
driving into work, and just these crazy things that I felt.
It was just a lot. It's a lot, no matter
no matter what you do, no matter when doing it,
it's a lot. What kept you going through those things? Because,
(10:02):
as I said, as a new first time mom, it
is hard enough. And as someone who has worked in
TV or sports broadcasting for the last ten eleven years,
I can't imagine having those schedules and having a second
one so close to my first. What was it that
made it worth It? Was it the people that you
worked with and and when you actually got to be
on air and talk about those things. Yes, and it
(10:23):
was the I mean, I just love people, and it
was the connection with the people, you know. Like I said,
when I was there, it was so much fun. And
I am very much wired to get the stuff done
first and then relax. So I'm in the same way. Yes,
I don't know how people anchor evening newscasts for two reasons.
A because I can't stay up late. I'm not an idol.
My brain turns off at like eight pm. But also
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you have work hanging over your head that whole time,
exactly the same way. The only thing I've found that
I don't feel that way about is a night game,
specifically for the Panthers or when I was covering college football,
where the anticipation in is so much fun. Yes, but
I know exactly what you were taught. I have to
work out first thing in the morning, yes, or I
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won't get it done because I have to be the
same exactly my life, Like this is exactly things that
I would say. Do you know my first name is Kristen,
spelled the same way as years too. Oh my god,
we're the same. You know my middle name is Page,
called the same. Kidding could be though, anyway, back to
your original question. So it worked. Listen for as long
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as it did. It worked. It was great. But I
had actually always thought that I was going to do
what I'm doing now before I fell into TV. My
grandmother was a trainer, my mom, my uncle. I grew
up from the age of twelve going to class with them,
sitting in the back of their classes, and then gradually
helping them teach through all my high school years college.
When I would come back and it was everything what
they used to call soft skills they now called power
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power skills in the world of HR. So it's anything
interpersonal such a better name. Yeah, yea. It had like
a PR campaign and they were like, let's call these
what they are. So it's anything you know, dealing with
difficult people, personality Indicator on the Myers Briggs Personality Type
Indicator UM, interviewing skills, resume writing. Back in the day,
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it was you know all of those things. Now I
do lots of public speaking training and presentation skills, kind
of mixing those into sort of combining all of the
years of TV and what I learned there, and then
all of the years of with them having done that
and the curriculum that kind of comes from all of
the above and fitting it together. So when I sort
of got to where I was really feeling like this
TV schedule, as great as it's been, my priorities now
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are freedom in my own schedule, to be in charge
of what I'm doing and to be able to and
to do this stuff that I was wanting to do
for so long that I just couldn't because you can't
have two full time jobs and a family and you
know all the other and a podcast and a book
and all the So I just kind of said, now's
the time. By the way, the news cycle of didn't help.
I could see that yet. You know, it was a
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pretty heavy year, and I was just kind of I
kind of got to where I was like, I don't
know if the stuff I'm talking about on television. It's
helping people and informing them and helping to bring our
world together more or just causing divisiveness and me and
I just sort of it was just all of those
things combined. I kind of want, you know what, maybe
I'll try to do something that I know I'm really
good at and I feel like I can more directly
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help people with. I always ask retired players this, um,
and I'll say, you know, because especially they do it
at such a young age, like you, right where your
career is ending, and then you get to go. I'm
when you think about the term retirement for players, um,
you know, they've spent their whole life doing this one thing.
So I always asked this question, What was the first
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day like that you woke up, not at one seven?
How did you feel? Oh? Honestly wonderful at first? Right,
I woke up and worked out the first thing in
the morning, get that out of the way, that's always
the you know, thing hanging over my head. And for
the first getting the kids off to the bus and everybody,
and then I come home and for five minutes it
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felt great, And then for like thirty minutes of every
hour and then on I went, what am I doing?
What's what's the first thing on my to do list?
What's the how? Why am I folding laundry when I
should be putting together a proposal? Do I have a call?
You know, It's amazing how much of the day you
can spend spinning on what's the priority. I no longer
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had anyone telling me what to do and when to
do it. I heard Dwyane Wade actually in a in
an interview around that time, and this is the only
way I would ever compare myself to a retired and
being player. But he talked about the same thing. He said,
you know, when you play in the NBA every morning,
it's this time, shoot around, breakfast at this time, short
for the game here put TV is the same way
hair and makeup, set three, get there. You gotta read
through your scripts by four, be on the set by
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four twenty audio check, you know, and then you get off.
You have the morning meeting of this your home, you
nap the kids. You got to get Brent day to day.
I came home that first day and by the way,
still like tomorrow, I'll do this and go, Okay, what
do I need to work? On my website first, or
do I need to get this proposal for the client
that's waiting, Or do I need to download the video
of the virtual keynote that I did yesterday to cut
it up to put it on the like, someone tell
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me what to do. Football players feel like that all
the time as well, because it is so regimented and
you're used to it that there could be a little
bit of this existential dread. I think people like get
it on off day. Sometimes you're like, I should be
doing something right now, or I need to do twenty things.
Where do I start? So? How have in the last
eight months you prioritized? Have you gotten into a rhythm
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with all of the different things that you are doing?
So I've actually found I'm a big list maker and
to do list person. I love to check things off,
but I have discovered that if I make a list,
I get so focused on that stupid list and I
get dread ease of it. I don't want to do it,
and I work so much better on spontaneous things. For example,
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if I'm wanting to post too, I didn't post to
LinkedIn until last week. Okay, I never needed it before,
it's not now. It should be my main source of
of business development, right But I just it's not my world.
I live on Instagram, Instagram. It's comfortable to me Instagram stories.
But I've known all along I to do. It was
on my to do list, you know, put together your
profile and set that up, and finally one day I
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just started. I just picked up my phone and did it.
Rather than go for the plan, I just do better
with a spontaneity of pick up, pick up the phone
and find something that's trending on Instagram right then and
record it in a reel rather than I have christ
I have a page and a half of real saved
of audios that I wrote out the title and what
I could like. This could tie with parenting, This could
tie with work. This could because I'm a great planner.
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But then I don't ever do the plan unless I
just do it in the moment. I am the same way.
It's it's kind of like, you know, if you put
on your list, I gotta call, but this doctor's office
or whatever. If it's on my list, I won't put
it off versus just picking up the phone and calling.
What is that? It's too easy to put it off
if you have you're like, Okay, I'll get to that.
I'll get to the more important stuff first, and then
I'll get to this, and then yes, and you're tired
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of the list. You're tired of the list, and self
imposed deadlines don't feel like deadlines, right, Yes, Like a
live TV deadline is you're going on live TV hard
out to hit this commercial ground. And whereas if I
say I need to get this thing done by blah
blah blah, I'm like, I know I'm not gonna do
it tomorrow. Yeah, exactly, That's that is great advice. I
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do feel like we are the same person. So again,
using this to selfishly pick up all the tips that
I can, I think you should be your tips should
be what not to do in many cases with some
of the things I've learned along. Now, I'm I always
take little notes. I always joke with it with our guests,
and so I'm writing all of this stuck down. I'm like,
I like, I like that I could use that approach.
So now, a lot of the stuff that you do,
you work with your husband Jake, who I know we
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were just talking earlier. We grew up in the same town.
He gave me one of my first jobs in sports
at us A baseball and now I get to work
with him every game day, which is just the best.
And now here's another thing that I'm going to ask
you about working with your spouse. My husband and I
have been together for a very long time. We love
each other. We know that like a long a long
road trip is not something that we would both enjoy,
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and I don't know that we could work together and
that works for us, right like we are better to
do our own thing for a little while. So I
admire people that can work together. What is that like?
And how did you know that that was going to
be something that you two could thrive on? Gosh? So
I think it helps that we don't technically work full
time together. You know, he has his own big boy
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job and I have my own big girl job, and
we collaborate for projects that we think are fun that
are technically work. I mean, you know, people have them
as careers, people are career authors or career podcast post
For us, they are side fun projects. But it's funny
you say that because when I transition to my own career,
running my own show and doing doing my own thing,
he is very good at all the business. He sides
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of things that I suck at. He's great with like Excel,
and he built my website and he helped me with,
you know, all the canvas stuff that I don't know.
I had never done a power point and I didn't
that was not my world. And they're really good at
it and can do it quickly. And so I asked
him for a lot of help. And at one point
I asked him to proof read something before I sent
it to a client, and he got be with me
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and understandably was annoyed because he was like, I'm doing
a lot of and I turned to go, but Jake,
we're business partners, and he goes, no, no, we let
me be perfectly clear. You have your own business. I
will help you with stuff when I can, but this
is your business. I am not your business partner. He goes,
we're life partners. But there's a difference. And I said,
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of course. At the time, I was very probably heated
about it, and I didn't take it as well as
I'm portraying, like I said, whatever you say, dear No,
I said, of course, I understand your point. What would
you like a contel? You give me this information? But
it was really actually a good boundary for him to
set early on, and it helped us over the course
of a couple of weeks and probably set those because
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he's like, I don't mind helping you, but you can't
come to me and say, oh my god, this is
due tomorrow. Can you fix it. I have to put
together this power point for a speech I'm giving tomorrow.
Like I don't have time to do that, and I can't.
That's not fair to me. But if you want me
to help you with something, tell me which tell me
exactly what you need. Basically, give me an assignment and
I'll work on it, like in the evenings when you
go to bed and still in bed before he does.
And he doesn't mind doing that, but I needed to
know I can't just treat him like my assistant who's
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at my back and call it to help with stuff now,
with things like the podcast and I co hosted a
podcast called Date Nite with Jake and Page, which actually
came about because of interviews I had done with Panthers. Really, yeah,
I know there's no way really that you would have.
So when I was still in tv UM, I started
doing the first one was with Thomas Davis Thomas and
Kelly Love love Thomas right spectacular. So Kelly used to
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come on as a parenting expert on Good Day Charlotte
on the morning show, and she was always just spectacular.
Thomas came on with her one or not with her
one time and he, you know, gave us an interview
of very typical athletes. They give the soundbites that they're
used to giving, you know, and he was like, very lovely,
but you know, you get the soundbites. The next time
she came and he was like flirting with her and
laughing and I us see a whole different side of
somebody when their person is there. Right. So all of
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that to say, I'll make this quicker, but it started.
I want to hear all the details. It started a
series called Couples Therapy, where I would go to their
houses and do interviews with the couples because it was
just so much more. Gregg Olson actually gave me that
name because he turned to Kara during our the interview
with them, which I think was maybe after Thomas or
maybe after somebody else, and he goes, God, I feel
like we're incomplished. That's what I'm gonna name this series.
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That so then that transition to Jake and I trying
to get into a podcast called Date Night, where the
two of us sit down with another couple and it's
just kind of a get to know you. I love
and I've seen the clips and it does look like
you guys are out on a double date. And that's
it's the best part, right of just talking to another
couple having fun telling stories. That's so cool. I I
love that. And then you guys wrote a book together.
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Tell me, I don't want to. You gotta the name.
The title is, it's all so good, Please tell everybody
about it. So the title of the book is holy crap,
We're pregnant, And we joke because we we published it
ten years after our last child was born. As a
new mom. I completely understand. I completely understand. Well we
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kept we started writing it, so it started off as
a blog at my old station. We all everyone had
to do a blog. So I was pregnant at the time.
And when you're pregnant or planning your wedding, you think
that that's I mean, that's your world, right, that's you
think everyone else like needs to learn what you're learning
or experience what you're learning. So you're writing about it.
And he jumped on and did a guest blog for
me one time, as like the dad perspective from the pregnancy,
and I got so many comments from people, you guys
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should write a book. You should. We love Jake's Part
two and Da Da da, And we thought there are
so many books out there. He was sent all these
books from the dad's perspective and I was had all
these books from the mom's perspective. But there weren't any
couple books that you could read together and kind of
share that together. It felt like a very separate experience.
So we started. Basically what we did is we broke
down pregnancy into chapters, all the trimesters in the different
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parts of pregnancy, and I would write my perspective and
he would write his, but we would not and then
we would react to each other's but we weren't allowed
to read the other person's before. So it was so
fun because the things that would come up for one
or that we would remember things differently. Yeah, of course
you know, we would, I mean, and we we would
focus on different things. Sometimes it was the same, but
sometimes and it just was such a thought. It on
like the difference between the experience for the dad and
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the experience for the mom. I have not read a book.
I'm a big reader. I have not read a book
since I think before I finished the books, since before
I gave birth. But as soon as I have the time,
and hopefully if we have a second I'm I'm getting that.
I love an audio too, so you can you can.
I'm a lazy reader. I listened to almost everything on audiobooks. Okay,
I'm reading this immediately because I imagine there's something when
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when you recognize something, especially as going through pregnancy or
or new parenting, and you can just laugh, you know,
and you go, oh my gosh, you guys do that too,
or that's how this is. I love and that you know.
I love that you said that, because that's exactly my point.
And that's what I meant when I said, Jake has
is good to do parenting with. And it's good because
so many things happened that you realize we could choose
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to laugh about this, and we wanted to, you know,
we could have a breakdown about this, or we could
laugh like which you kind of do. Get to choose,
and if you train yourself to go, let's find the
humor in it instead. I've been guilty of that. You know,
with your pregnant, your hormones are going all over the place.
I remember one time and now, why are you crying?
And I went, I don't know, and then we both
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just burst out laughing. I mean, you know, it's just
amazing just when you go, this is so silly. What
are we doing? What am I doing? I have no idea,
you know, And it's so fun to find the humor
and things. And that's why I said, I just I
love you guys Instagram pages. It's just like a shot
of Sarahtonin and I mean I really mean that. I'm like,
first of all, I cannot dance like You'm like, how
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does she do that? I wish I will say that's
fun um when the kid. Now that the kids are
old enough to be part of things with it that
are actually fun to do, like Instagram dances. Our kids
don't have social media themselves, so they're still more than
tickled to be to do stuff with us, and they
do like and one of our oldest kid, I'm like,
oh you got some moves? Yeah right, yeah? Have you
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seen that? Like I don't know if the most recent
one did did it? Was that with four? I'm trying
to remember off the top of my head that you
guys did um you and him the most recent one.
What is that dance called because you have the moves? Oh?
Thank you? I mean I can. I'm he doesn't think
so of course she's like mom to do those kinds
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of things with your kids that when they're old enough
to actually enjoy their company and you're not just like
keeping them alive, you know, well while ago although I mean,
as we were just saying before we started rolling it,
I mean, it passes like that, So it's good to
start thinking about it. If you don't mind, Can I
ask you about you were saying your kids don't have
social media? Do you and Jake have those talks and
do you have a set? Is it a they get
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to this age then we can Are we taking it
day by day? Because again that's another thing that I
know that we'll have to talk about at some point.
So I just to preface this with sort of the
part of this that I know would be triggering to
me if I were listening to this, and I totally
get it. I come from a place of judgmental like
I hear other parents do stuff that I'm not doing,
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and of course I'm like, how could they? And then
I do it myself and I go, yeah, it's totally normal. Yeah,
of course I don't know. I think that's all parents, right,
I would never and then of course ye snickers for
dinner up. So Jake and I have been very antiphone,
very anti blah blah blah all, you know, because of
all the because how can you work in news and
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not think that you your kids should not live in
a bubble right for all intents and purposes. So they
have Our oldest is thirteen, thirteen, twelve and nine. We
have kept them. We didn't give them phones forever. Again, yes,
because we didn't want them to have them. But also
I just know myself enough. I'm too lazy to keep
track of someone else's stuff in addition to my own
too much going on, too much. Yeah, I'm like, I
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don't want to deal with all that. So but they
came to us, actually, our boys came to us and
they said they're in middle school now, and they said,
we want to talk to you guys about the phone thing,
because all of our friends leave school and there that's
how they communicate with each other. They're talking there that
everyone has this basically like a social life that we
just aren't able to be a part of. Can we
reconsider the phone thing? And rather than just we try
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not to say no right away, we say, like we
always of them assignments to put together, like proposals to
present to it. They could do your power points going forward.
It sounds like, yes, part of me wants them to
be on social media so they can teach me how
to like do tick too, right, right right. But so
they put together this whole thing, making their case of
here's what here's what the rules could be, here's why
it's important to us, and Jake and I talk to me,
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were like, you know, they make an interesting point because
I don't know about you, but in middle school, in
high school, I spent my life on the phone with
my friends after you know, and they don't think about it.
We don't have landlines anymore, so we literally cut them
off from contact with their friends when they leave school
from that moment forward. So we said, fair point, like,
let's let's see what we can kind of start this eason.
So we but what we have done is we have
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old phones that are basically like iPads because they don't
have um cellular they're not They can't make phone calls,
they can't they can actually text, they can't what have you.
But they can text their friends and they can watch
YouTube on there, and we just set up there's this
thing called bark and truly, any parent listening it has
been a savior because it does the stuff that you
don't have time. I mean, who has time to scroll
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through a third teen year old group chat? Right? I mean, girl,
I can barely get back to my own group chats,
I know. So it will give you alert if there's
a word that comes up for us a website that
you know what I mean. So it helps to do
some of that homeworking kind of part of things. But
it was an interest. It was a parenting learning lesson
for us in listening to our kids and going, maybe
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we shouldn't be as drawing a line on this is
maybe they make a good point. I think it helped.
It made them feel because then we can also say
to them, you guys convinced us, like, good job, you
used your brains and now you have it. And by
the way, also now we have the best thing ever
to take away to get them to do stuff well,
and it sounds like they got to propose what boundaries
they thought could be in place, and I imagine that
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helps with the buy in. Well, hey, you guys said
that this is what the rules would be, so I
always asked them first. Kelly Davis actually gave me that
tip when she was coming on thank You, Thank You
page I'm like writing with sex talk to and just
in general, she said, always ask the kid first, what
do they know? What they already know? What do you
think that is? And then and then kind of fill
in the gaps a little bit. Same thing with the ones,
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Well what do you think would be fair for you
to how long do you think you should be allowed
to be on your phone in the summer? And they say,
you know, because then they're going to be pretty conservative
because they know, you know, like what's going to get
this over the hump here? Like how do we You
said two hours? So like you you hit your thing,
now do the other. That was your good job, we agree,
rather than you saying it. And then they're going to
go like only to it's not even fear just picturing
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my son saying the stuff to me in a few years.
Oh my gosh, that's like a light bulb went off.
Thank you, Kelly, Thank you Paige for sharing that with all. Kelly,
I love it. I love it. So tell me about
the training. As you said, the power skills, and you
said that your third generation, which I love. And you
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always knew that this was something that you wanted to do.
Why has it always been the thing for you? And
what speaks to you about it? Because of the direct
communication with a human being who leaves a day having
come out of a workshop or a class or a
talk saying, oh my god, you just changed my life
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a part of my life. I feel like I'm getting
this right now too, with all know what I'm saying
from you. Right now, I'm like, I'm taking all of this.
You're changing my life well, and I can. I can
appreciate that because I myself have experienced it. Like you said,
the reason that I knew I wanted to do this
is because as I was sitting through these classes from
the age of twelve on, I was going, Oh, that's
helpful to know about goal setting. Oh that's helpful to
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know in an interview, that's what you should do, you know,
And I was thinking, shouldn't it be an offering in
high schools. I mean, I've thought about putting a curriculum
together to offering instead of calculus, right, like the life
skills adult in conversation kind of thing. I mean, I'm
amazed by how many people have never taken a public
speaking class in their life, or took one in their
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a litigator or you know, there's that's that's just one
example of the public speaking part. But that's what I
mean by it is there is no better feeling than
having a really aha moment with people, you know, seeing
something happen for where you go, oh my gosh, this
is going to help you in your professional life and
in your personal life too. And the topics that I
lean towards that I love the most. I just did
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a thing the other day, um with the Myers Briggs
I mentioned before, A lot of people are familiar with
the indiogram and the desk and things. Now Myers Briggs
is kind of one of the O g ones and
I'm certified to teach it. So that's the one that
I do a lot. And people have so many aha
moments when you talk about communication at work having to
do with that, and even more so though they come
up to me and they'll go this just yesterday I
literally did it was a virtual keynote, but somebody putting
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the chat. She goes, I think this is going to
help me with talking to my team. But really this
helps explain my husband so much more to me, and
I now understand why he does makes decisions the way
he does. You know, to be able to kind of
do that with people is just how do you not
want to do it? Yeah? You you, like you said,
you were sending them out into the world something that
they'll hopefully remember for the rest of their lives. And
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because I do think we are in this industry because
we are good at the talking and the listening and communicating.
But there is this whole kind of um unwritten rules
right at secret language. And you know, you meet someone
and you go, oh, their email is not at all
how I would have I. They don't portray themselves in
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an email the way that um they are when you
meet them in person. Or you and I are working
in broadcasting, you want your your real if anyone doesn't
know what that is, you, especially when you're first starting out,
you put your clips together of different stuff you've done,
and it has to represent you. And so there are
all these things that represent the person you are in
a professional setting and you want to put your best
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foot forward. But then something we're just never taught those
things right and and some of us, you know, through
our jobs, I've become a not only a better talker,
but a far better listener because of what I do.
And you're right, just someone could be incredible at what
they do, but they don't always have the best way
to communicate it. And that's what you're helping people with.
And that's my favorite part of the public speaking workshops
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is that people. So the way I run them, and
those came about I thought I would do for companies
who would bring me in and their team comes to
it and they say, you know, you have to go,
and people always never want to and then they go.
They always learned something. But I had a lot of
individuals come to me to and say, this is really
something i'd like to work on, but my company doesn't
offer it, or so I in one of those times
and kept, how's that's gonna happen, how's's gonna happen? A
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Friday afternoon, I just said, forget it. I'm not going
to put a plan together. I'm just gonna go to
Instagram Live and our Instagram Stories and say, hey, I'll
put on one of these workshops. I'll find the place.
If you are an individual who wants to come and
invest in yourself this way, hit me up and we'll
put it together. And I had and I said a cap.
The class at ten had ten people signed up right away. Um,
we had it. I've done I don't know eight to
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ten of them since then, and they are wonderful because
the way the way that we do it is they
have plenty of opportunity to get up in front of
each other, everything from introducing themselves to what's their why too,
why they're doing what they're doing, to practicing memorization techniques
for a presentation they're going to give it work or
toast that give it a wedding. You know, I have
a lot of people sign up for personal reasons is
not connected to work, and they then get to know
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each other throughout the class. And I've had so many
students tell me or reach out to each other for
whatever industry they were in together at the class and
end up working together. Isn't that cool? I know to say,
because it just makes me so happy. I'm like, oh this,
I didn't even know this part was going to be
part of it. And what an approachable way to conquer
(34:20):
that fear, which is a fear that a lot of
people have of public speaking. And I imagine the hardest
part is signing up. And so maybe if you had
sat down and you know, done the list thing and
put it out on your website or whatnot. But the
fact that you just went on there, who knows if
those same tin people would have signed up immediately if
they had to log on and search for classes. They
just see it, right, I'll page is doing this. This
is gonna be great, And that could be the key
(34:42):
to it. All is is just you're taking the fear
away of actually doing the signing up part of it. Maybe,
so yeah, it kind of helps to take that intimidation
factor away. Love that. Okay, Okay, I'll be honest. I
could talk to you for like three more hours, but
I know that your time is so valuable. Um So
I'm just going to end it right here, and I
hope that we can do this again because I have
(35:03):
a thousand more questions to ask you, but I know
that you've got so much going on um, I'll have
to come to my podcast next, but your husband has
to come to Oh my gosh, yes, yes he would.
He would love that for sure, for sure, as long
as it's not, as I said, on a long road trip.
And that's the only one I don't know. Do you
consider Marvin a long road trip? We're past Valentine, it
might be, but we and we're in the bonus room.
(35:26):
Oh my gosh, no, that sounds incredible. Thank you so
much for being so free with your time and your
advice and your stories. Thank you for having me
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