January 2, 2025 • 23 mins
This week on Jordan & Jake, the guys praise Jaycee Horn for making the Pro Bowl, react to the College Football Playoffs, recap the Panthers week 17 loss to the Bucs, preview this weekend's matchup with the Atlanta Falcons and so much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wow, Jordan and Jake.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I go good, I'm excited, ready to go the bump stops.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
He throws at a crossfield.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Guess who, George Gross.
Speaker 4 (00:12):
Here are your Panther Hall of Honor members, Jordan Gross
and Jake Delon.
Speaker 5 (00:20):
Happy New Year, Jake Dilone The Jordan Jake Podcast, first
episode of twenty twenty five. Man, sounds that's kind of
weird saying it, but here we are.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
How you doing? I'm doing well? Man? I yeah, it
does sound weird. Huh. Twenty twenty five pretty crazy.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
Every year it's like the same thing. WHOA twenty twenty
four sounds nuts. Twenty twenty five very futuristic, but things
seem to be the same.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Still, did you ever good New Year's What did you do? Buddy?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
I kind of been under the weather the last few days,
so really and truly I did not see midnight.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I might have seen midnight in Australia.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
And France and you know, Ireland and England and things
like that, but not in the central time zone where
I was.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
It's twelve o'clock somewhere.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
As you would say, there's no doubt, there's no doubt.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
We can't complane.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
What if he had going on well under the weather.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Buddy, I don't know. I just I've been lucky.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I haven't had just kind of a head coal And
I don't know if you well, obviously you didn't listen
to the game Sunday because you would have heard how
terrible I sounded. Thank goodness, it was Luke also there,
because uh yeah, I was going through puberty during the game.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
It was a little rough.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Mick Mixon. Did you ever run a game with Mick
when he was sick?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yes, but I can't say it was an overly tough situation.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
He had the I used to tease him when he
would get sick. He would buck up and on the
air man he sounded great. As soon as it went
to commercial break, he'd like have his I sat by
him time he was all feverish.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
He had gloves on and like you.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Know how, I don't know who, I don't know when
you get old enough to wear this, but he would
wear like the ear muff wrap thing that like typically
I don't see a lot of young peep men wearing,
you know, or.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Like he had that on a scarf.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
He's broadcasting and he's good as soon as he goes
to commercial break.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Here's his cough. It was the most pitiful cough ever.
But no, it's bad when you're going on the air
and you're under the weather.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
So I did not listen to you, Jake, because I
was watching the game with some friends up in the
mountains and getting a little bit frustrated.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
But no, it was how'd the call go? I'll just
start there.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Well, Jordan, it was rough, you know, and a little
worried going into the game, just with some of the
players that we had to play in. And you hate
to make excuses because listen to the NFL and you're
gonna have injuries.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
But it just I was very worried with j C.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Horn out, certainly with Josie Jewel and the communication piece
linebacker wise, and some of the linebackers that had to play.
Really and truly, we had just signed a couple of them,
and you know, we had opportunities.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
And I give Tampa credit.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
This little Bucky Irvin, this running back from Oregon they
drafted in the fourth round as a major major find
for them.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
He made some really good plays.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Baker threw the ball well, and listen, it's a team
that they have a lot to play for. I'm not
saying that we did not, but you know, attrition you
can kind of see starting to kind of happen a
little bit. And I thought we had some opportunities offensively
to make plays down the field, and for whatever reason,
we just couldn't come up with them. And to be
quite honest, after rewatching the film, I thought Bryce played
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pretty darn good. To be honest, I think we had
some opportunities down on the field that we just didn't
take advantage of, and that could have kind of helped
our defense because we didn't help our defense much offensively.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Watching the game, Jacot's like, I didn't have a roster.
You know, the flip card is a thing to enjoy
when you're at the game. In the press box, you
get all the starters and all the depth chart right there,
the inactive But as a Panther fan, man like, defensively,
there's guys I'm googling who they are during the game, Jake,
and it's like, I mean, I know, next man up
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mentality or whatever, But it is so dang hard, Jake,
to win a football game where you've got so many
rotating pieces on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
No I agree, Jordan, it is very difficult and I think, uh,
you know, one of the major things about Everro coach
Everro's defense.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
It's a huge.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Community defense that you have to communicate in right from
the safeties and the linebackers. It's a very it's a
defense that's very sound in my belief. I think they
do a good job of a lot of bending, but
not breaking and and and making you go the extra mile,
so to say. So that communication piece, and I think
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that was pretty evident this year. Even when Trevin Waller
was the Green Dot that was in Chicago, I believe
his first time we had major issues and communication. Then
you saw him improve as it went on and you
had Josie back and that makes a big difference. And
even safety wise, you know, we've had a ton of
different safeties that had to play for us this year.
(05:17):
So that communication piece makes it pretty difficult. And you
know that you could see that was evident.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
A few times.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Yeah, Baker Mayfield, I think he had three hundred and
fifty nine yards and five tds and it just was
hard to hard to stop him. Man, And there's still
on the internet, there's some stuff. Hey, they were still
throwing the ball up a bunch in the fourth quarter.
It could maybe people reading into Coach Canalis coming from
there last year just hard. You wanted that for Coach Canalis,
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you wanted that for the team. I always liked playing
down there. It's like never a I mean we had
rain one time, but never a bad weather environment.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
But just definitely not the way you wanted to go.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
And I don't know, Jake, I I just felt bad
watching it.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
But what I will say is.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Kind of transition into this final game of the year.
Just continue to be so impressed with Coach Canalis and
his consistency at the podium after games, you know, on Monday,
after watching the film Man the Guy No excuses ever,
not calling out players, but also holding like positions accountable
besides the ball accountable. That's hard to do that many
(06:24):
weeks in a road. Jake, I just really feel like
he has to feel supported from Dan Morgan and mister
Tepper and I have great faith that we're moving in
the right direction despite the.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Fact that it was an ugly game.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Jordan, I agree with you totally.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
I echoed those sentiments and I've said this already since
I started doing this in twenty nineteen. This is the
first time I think we're in total alignment and direction.
You know, Coach Rivera that was his last year twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
You know, so like that was kind of a okay.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Then Matt Rule came in and it was a transition
away from Marty Hernie and.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
You know who was really the GM.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
You know, Marty helped with the draft, and then after that,
you know, Marty wasn't around anymore. And then so it
just it felt like, Okay, where are we're going, where's
the direction? And so now it just seems very very
and it just seems an alignment. I just I keep
saying that over and over again. You just feel like
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everyone's in alignment. And that's the thing that I'm encouraged about.
I saw progress during the course of the season, and
I'll go back to Santa Jordan.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I was very lucky in Carolina.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
I'm not so sure if we were ever mathematically eliminated
from the playoffs ever until the final week of the
season or game of the season, to be quite honest.
But I've been at other places where you were and
you know what, guys check out. I mean, they're on
vacation and we've been eliminated for well over a month
or longer, and that has not been the case whatsoever.
(08:03):
You know, you have a tough loss to Dallas. How
are we going to respond Christmas week at home against Arizona. Yeah,
well we answered that pretty darn good. So I like
where we're going. I like the direction. We'll have money
to spend where we can talk draft stuff. But like
Luke and I discussed Sunday morning, just you know, talking
(08:24):
before the game, We've got a extra first round pick
this year. We have the number one player in free agency,
it's Derek Brown. Like that's huge him to come back.
We had some more pieces we draft, hopefully we draft well.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
And hit, and the continued development of some of these
young guys. I like the direction we're going.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Well, it's almost time to start talking about all that
offseason stuff. I want to talk about the Falcons, Jake,
because it is there is still one game remaining, but
this week time of year, the Pro Bowl is announced.
You and I are both fortunate enough to get to
experience that. Ecstatic for ja Seahorn to get named to
the Pro Bowl. Jake, this guy has he hasn't had
(09:03):
like Thomas Davis level of injuries. But his career has
definitely been frustrating with the start and stop nature to
everything that he's had to go through with all of
his injuries and a lot of potential and man, if
this guy could be healthy, imagine how good he could be.
For him to get named to the Pro Bowl for
the first time on a dang four win team, Jake,
that is so hard. I was super surprised when I
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made the Pro Bowl on a two win team, Jake.
It just doesn't happen very often, you know, And so
completely thrilled for him. It was neat reading about the
reaction of the team when he was announced at the
team meeting this week, how everybody was through the roof.
Adam Thielen said he didn't he's never seen a team
be so excited for a teammate to make the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
But big, big news for him, man, and just super happy.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I know you are too, Yeah, very much so, Jordan.
I read that this morning. There's something special about that.
Listen Kidd was the first round pick. He's had some
tough injuries, you know, one in essence, was due to
friendly fire. His own teammate hit him in I believe
what broke his wrist a few years back, and you know,
the kid, he loves the game. And I call him
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a kid because, like literally he was one and two
and three years old in the locker room of the Saints,
was teammates with his dad, Joe Horn. So it's like
I've seen that kid since an infant. But that's special, Jordan.
I think you hit it on the head on a
team that, Yes, we haven't had a lot of wins,
we're not in the national.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Media, national spotlight.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
This is not the New York's, the Dallas is the Pittsburgh,
the Philadelphia's of the world where you know, there's so
many I'm not gonna go on that soapbox, but there's
a lot of Pro Bowls that get awarded to some
of those guys that really and truly they don't deserve.
It's the market they're in and how much they're force
fan down our throat by the national media.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
So very proud.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
I know Robert Hunt was one that I was hoping
he would make, but you know, he's on the cusp
of I think people they knew who he was in
Miami and then signed the big deal in Carolina. We
have Cuba running the ball the way he is. I
think it's a step in the right direction. I go
back to two thousand and four, Jordan, excuse me, and
that's the year that you know, we started out one
(11:16):
and seven after the Super Bowl, and when it was
announced the Pro Bowl, I think we had five wins
at the time, and Coach Fox, I think announced, you know,
I think Mussin made it that year, Julius, and it
wasn't a whole lot. And then he said first alternate,
and he goes, and your time's coming, and he said
my name, and I was floored as the first alternate, Like,
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my gosh, we have.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Five wins and I'm lucky enough to make it the
next year.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
So it's just it's a process sometimes, and I think
that process is trending in the right direction. With someone
like Robert Hunt, you know, JC, I think he can
be a perennial type Pro Bowl type player.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
For US, a big deal.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
And then some alternates as well, Cuba, Johnny Hecker, and
Robert who you know, Robert very deserving. I've I've sung
his praises all season long. Man, Just think he was
an awesome acquisition and the guy that we can count
on for many, many years, more wins. If more wins
would have come, then he would have made it as well.
So hopefully you get things going next year and get
(12:15):
him in the fold there. But making that feeling, man
like you just mentioned making your first Pro Bowl finding
that out, you're so excited. I mean, everybody wants that
on their resume. And we got to go. I'm sure
it's still fun, Jake. Now it's the Pro Bowl games
and it's you know, there's a flag football and there's
competitions going over to Dang Hawaii. Staying at the players hotel, Man,
(12:37):
guys were totally isolated.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Everybody stayed there together.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
We were hanging out that That was such fun times.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Man, I know you enjoyed it, Yeah, Jordan, I definitely did.
And I was very lucky the time I made it.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Our coaching staff coached it because we had lost in
the NFC Championship game and so that was made it
even more special.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
And honestly, you know, you get to meet some of
these guys that you kind of know, but you get
to know them on.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
A different level.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
And I think what I enjoyed more than anything it
was our offense meeting the Carolina offense. So from you know,
Matt Hasselback arg done, Michael Vick and those guys, Hey
tell me about display, tell me about that play because
they're learning to be able to play that week, and
so it's another level. So like in essence, I was
in the huddle almost every play, just like they would
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call it, not help them out. And because it's a
very watered down version, but I mean you don't know it.
You're learning it for the first time, and yes, it's serious,
but it's also a fun time. So that's what I enjoyed,
you know, the most, you know, like kind of that
interaction with those guys.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Something tells me Michael Vick was able to run a
different version of our offense than you were.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Jake, Well, we couldn't do the run plays that Dan
Henning liked to call for me because you know Michael
had trouble with that.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, I bet. So have you been watching the college
football playoffs? Jake?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yes, I have. I have watched the games.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I'll watch obviously the delayed one this afternoon, but yes
I have.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
That was a tough watch yesterday.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
I have no rooting interest, to be quite honest, but yeah,
I fell for hours on the State I mean, you
know the true definition of targeting and they don't call
it that.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
That's that's hard.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
You know that team, you'd like to have seen that
team have a chance to and look who knows how
to make the kig? But you know that was difficult.
That was a difficult watch.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Well, we were actually listening to that on the radio
as we were driving home from the mountains and man,
what that was like? That was an incredible game to
have a radio listen because we we tuned in on
XM and it happened to be the Sun Devil's broadcast
and there there were going nuts on that targeting called
Jake and how do you not call that? Inspect speculation
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on conspiracy theories and all that. But then to go
to double overtime, Yeah, exciting game for us here in Idaho.
Obviously the Boise State game was a huge deal and
frustrated to see the Broncos and not build to get
that win.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
And it was a very good game, just Boise State.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Too many errors, Yeah, Boise like they man, they had chances,
man that that game.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
They that was a pretty good football team.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Very impressed, as it might sound shocking, but I was
probably even more more impressed with the running back genty.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
He couldn't do anything because of Penn State's defense.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Didn't give them credit. But this guy is a tough
runner and he's got great balance. I was impressed watching him.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
You had a lot of tiers in the Treasure Valley,
which is where were home to the city of Boise
with him going to be leaving next year, because he's
definitely been fun to watch. And then had a good
Oregon I mean, like I could. I was a little
bit late starting that game. I'm like, what was it
twenty one to zero or twenty to zero when I
turned it on in the first quarter, I'm going, what
and the heck?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Oregon made a little more close in the second half,
but that one shocked me. Man. I thought that was
going to at least be a close game.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, Jordan, I'm like you.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
I thought it had been closer, but I'm okay, I'm
not gonna miss the prognosticator. But I just thought this
was Ohio State was gonna win, and they were gonna
win handily. I just felt that going in. It seems
like that team put all the pressure on the world
on themselves all year long, and after the Michigan loss.
It just seems like that team has just said, screw it.
We're the most talented team, Like we can't play tight,
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we gotta play loose, and that's what it feels like.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
They're dangerous.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
It's very dangerous.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
And then the game in New Orleans got delayed, Jake
and terrible reasons.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
And that's close to you. So I just didn't know
if Vietney.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Yeah, you know, geez, yeah, Jordan, that's that's hard, man.
It's hard anywhere, but you know, certainly fairly close to me.
And and Jordan, I'm gonna be very honest that exact
location where it happened three weeks prior. I was there
with my wife and two kids, leaving a restaurant and
walking to the Singer Theater to go watch Lauren Degos
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Christmas concert, and like, literally right there. That's difficult, Jordan.
It's never easy. You can never be prepared. One of
the victims know the family, well, know the kid. His
name is Tiger besh Uh, twenty seven years old from Lafayette,
played football at Princeton Princeton. He worked up in the
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Northeast in the financial world. Terrible, terrible news. I played
with the Saints with his uncle Bread Besh his you know,
his younger brother, Jack Besh is the receiver at TCU
that'll be coming out in the draft this year. Just awful, wonderful,
wonderful family, good kid.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
It's just done.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
You know, a kid that left here a little undersize
goes play football at Princeton graduate.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
It just but why, you know why, it's just such
an act.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
And yeah, Jordan, I just prayers to everyone involved and
and everybody affected in this situation, well said Jake.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Just yeah, I mean we can.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Go on and on about the insane nature of that
whole deal, but today there is a game to look
forward to, and hopefully everybody can find some enjoyment in that.
I know there'll be a lot of time spent on
that broadcast talking about and remembering and all of those things.
So the Panthers are going to finish up the game
the season. This week, Jake had Atlanta, Hey, Atlanta still
(18:24):
in the playoff hunt wildly enough. The scenario is if
Atlanta wins and Tampa loses, then Atlanta's a playoff team.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Jake, low probability.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
I see some of the statistics on that is like
a seventeen percent chance even with a win. I think
a lot of people are thinking that Tampa is going
to be able to get the win this week, but
still stuff to play for, you know the deal, Jake
and the guys. Being honest, I was on Panther Talk
this week, I said, I know the players are very
excited for the season be over. Jake, you get this
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close to the end, if you're still healthy, You're like, man,
I just don't want to get injured. I don't want
to have a surgery. I want to put on some
good film at the end of the season here and
then go get on a beach somewhere and rest my
body from this tough journey we've just been through.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah, Jordan, it's a listen.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Atlanta, they have to win if they have any opportunity.
And I'll be honest, what better gift to give that
Atlanta Falcons As a Carolina Panther's just let's go beat
them and let's give them nothing to worry about, right,
I Mean, that's that's kind of what I'm thinking, And
so I'm looking for us to bounce back.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I'm playing a little bit different, to be quite honest.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I think Atlanta's coming off of brutal loss and over
time on the road Sunday night in the fashion that
they lost. And so yeah, the scoreboard watching the NFL
does a very good job of making sure that every
game of significance will all be at the same time,
so a team doesn't know whether they're mathematically eliminated prior.
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So Tampa's got to go to New Orleans. New Orleans
is playing with a pretty depleted roster. I think Tampa
feels pretty good there, but it is division rivalry. But again,
let's worry about our house. Let's go, let's come back
with a better taste in our mouth than what we
finished with last week. Let's put some points up, let's
help our defense out, let's keep them up the field,
and you know, let's give Atlanta a parting gift for
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the beginning of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Did you ever have a vacations already scheduled at the
end of the season or did you know, hey, we're
just going to go home as soon.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
As we can.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Never had something scheduled, to be quite honest, Jordan, never, yeah, never,
even you know, it was more so you're grinding into
the season and once it's over, then you kind of
take a deep breath.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
But yeah, that's kind of it's kind of always been
my mentality.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
The end of the season is so abrupt. Man, you're
going since the end of July, churning along. Every week's
the same, man, go go, go, go go. You lose,
the season's over, you have your Monday exit meeting. Tuesday,
you're just off. And I just I never could get
used to the feeling when that season ended. Is just
how quickly your life changes.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
It's amazing, you know, it's like you're right, you hit it.
It's it's non stop. It's every single day, and then
all right, see y'all in March. And that's when we
used to return back in mid March.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
You know. Now they don't.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
I don't even know if players go back anymore. If
they do, it's like in April, sometime mid April. So yeah,
it's a very it's very different, very different.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
The last thing I got for you, Jake, it's completely
off topic with the Panthers, but with the end of
the regular season, last game for the Jets, Aaron Rodgers
now starting to say that he possibly could be his
last game in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
You know, there's be a head coaching change.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
It just doesn't seem like that's been a great relationship
with him in that organization.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
He says he's.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Enjoyed his time there, but just who knows what direction
that's headed, and pretty uninteresting to have an NFL without
Aaron Rodgers and also Jake what he like, the guys
go somewhere.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Else at the end of their career.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
It's just there's The NFL just not does not allow
very many easy ways.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
To exit the game.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
It's just been funny watching him and seeing kind of
how this thing unfolded.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yeah, Jordan, it's.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
You know, I kind of I always say it it's
father time and it's not knock, who's there. It's father
time and I'm here, and it's it like I'm here,
like that can happen during the course of the season.
He's undefeated, man, Father Time is undefeated, and I'm not
sure what's gonna happen there. Certainly it didn't go anyway
(22:29):
that they expected, you know, and watching him play, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
The arm is still there. I think that's the thing.
I think his arm talent it's still brilliant. It's still there.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
But it's just you know, it's hard, man, You're forty
years old. You can't move like he used to. And
he was twinkle toes in the pocket. To me, he
was the closest thing to Joe Montana. I think we'd
ever seen just his footwork and the balance and everything.
And I watch him now and I just don't see it.
I just think that's father time. I don't think it's
the arm. I just think it's the it's the body.
So I'm not sure how that's all gonna end. But yeah,
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it's pretty crazy. How the NFL they it retires you
pretty quick, well.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Twenty years later if you're him, I guess so, maybe
not too quick for him, but well, Jake, enjoy the
last game of the season for the Panthers.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Wish you well man, and we.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
Start talking next week about offseason plans and the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Looking forward to it, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Very much, looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to
going to Atlanta. And you know, Jordan, I think we
all well know professional hatred as a player, and you
just want to go beat a division opponent.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
That's just no other way around.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
All Right, We'll watch out. They have a lot of
traffic down there.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Okay, sounds good bye.
Wow, Jordan and Jake.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I go good, I'm excited, ready to go the bump stops.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
He throws at a crossfield.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Guess who, George Gross.
Speaker 4 (00:12):
Here are your Panther Hall of Honor members, Jordan Gross
and Jake Delon.
Speaker 5 (00:20):
Happy New Year, Jake Dilone The Jordan Jake Podcast, first
episode of twenty twenty five. Man, sounds that's kind of
weird saying it, but here we are.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
How you doing? I'm doing well? Man? I yeah, it
does sound weird. Huh. Twenty twenty five pretty crazy.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
Every year it's like the same thing. WHOA twenty twenty
four sounds nuts. Twenty twenty five very futuristic, but things
seem to be the same.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Still, did you ever good New Year's What did you do? Buddy?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
I kind of been under the weather the last few days,
so really and truly I did not see midnight.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I might have seen midnight in Australia.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
And France and you know, Ireland and England and things
like that, but not in the central time zone where
I was.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
It's twelve o'clock somewhere.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
As you would say, there's no doubt, there's no doubt.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
We can't complane.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
What if he had going on well under the weather.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Buddy, I don't know. I just I've been lucky.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I haven't had just kind of a head coal And
I don't know if you well, obviously you didn't listen
to the game Sunday because you would have heard how
terrible I sounded. Thank goodness, it was Luke also there,
because uh yeah, I was going through puberty during the game.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
It was a little rough.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Mick Mixon. Did you ever run a game with Mick
when he was sick?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yes, but I can't say it was an overly tough situation.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
He had the I used to tease him when he
would get sick. He would buck up and on the
air man he sounded great. As soon as it went
to commercial break, he'd like have his I sat by
him time he was all feverish.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
He had gloves on and like you.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Know how, I don't know who, I don't know when
you get old enough to wear this, but he would
wear like the ear muff wrap thing that like typically
I don't see a lot of young peep men wearing,
you know, or.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Like he had that on a scarf.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
He's broadcasting and he's good as soon as he goes
to commercial break.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Here's his cough. It was the most pitiful cough ever.
But no, it's bad when you're going on the air
and you're under the weather.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
So I did not listen to you, Jake, because I
was watching the game with some friends up in the
mountains and getting a little bit frustrated.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
But no, it was how'd the call go? I'll just
start there.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Well, Jordan, it was rough, you know, and a little
worried going into the game, just with some of the
players that we had to play in. And you hate
to make excuses because listen to the NFL and you're
gonna have injuries.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
But it just I was very worried with j C.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Horn out, certainly with Josie Jewel and the communication piece
linebacker wise, and some of the linebackers that had to play.
Really and truly, we had just signed a couple of them,
and you know, we had opportunities.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
And I give Tampa credit.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
This little Bucky Irvin, this running back from Oregon they
drafted in the fourth round as a major major find
for them.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
He made some really good plays.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Baker threw the ball well, and listen, it's a team
that they have a lot to play for. I'm not
saying that we did not, but you know, attrition you
can kind of see starting to kind of happen a
little bit. And I thought we had some opportunities offensively
to make plays down the field, and for whatever reason,
we just couldn't come up with them. And to be
quite honest, after rewatching the film, I thought Bryce played
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pretty darn good. To be honest, I think we had
some opportunities down on the field that we just didn't
take advantage of, and that could have kind of helped
our defense because we didn't help our defense much offensively.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Watching the game, Jacot's like, I didn't have a roster.
You know, the flip card is a thing to enjoy
when you're at the game. In the press box, you
get all the starters and all the depth chart right there,
the inactive But as a Panther fan, man like, defensively,
there's guys I'm googling who they are during the game, Jake,
and it's like, I mean, I know, next man up
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mentality or whatever, But it is so dang hard, Jake,
to win a football game where you've got so many
rotating pieces on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
No I agree, Jordan, it is very difficult and I think, uh,
you know, one of the major things about Everro coach
Everro's defense.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
It's a huge.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Community defense that you have to communicate in right from
the safeties and the linebackers. It's a very it's a
defense that's very sound in my belief. I think they
do a good job of a lot of bending, but
not breaking and and and making you go the extra mile,
so to say. So that communication piece, and I think
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that was pretty evident this year. Even when Trevin Waller
was the Green Dot that was in Chicago, I believe
his first time we had major issues and communication. Then
you saw him improve as it went on and you
had Josie back and that makes a big difference. And
even safety wise, you know, we've had a ton of
different safeties that had to play for us this year.
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So that communication piece makes it pretty difficult. And you
know that you could see that was evident.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
A few times.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Yeah, Baker Mayfield, I think he had three hundred and
fifty nine yards and five tds and it just was
hard to hard to stop him. Man, And there's still
on the internet, there's some stuff. Hey, they were still
throwing the ball up a bunch in the fourth quarter.
It could maybe people reading into Coach Canalis coming from
there last year just hard. You wanted that for Coach Canalis,
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you wanted that for the team. I always liked playing
down there. It's like never a I mean we had
rain one time, but never a bad weather environment.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
But just definitely not the way you wanted to go.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
And I don't know, Jake, I I just felt bad
watching it.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
But what I will say is.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Kind of transition into this final game of the year.
Just continue to be so impressed with Coach Canalis and
his consistency at the podium after games, you know, on Monday,
after watching the film Man the Guy No excuses ever,
not calling out players, but also holding like positions accountable
besides the ball accountable. That's hard to do that many
(06:24):
weeks in a road. Jake, I just really feel like
he has to feel supported from Dan Morgan and mister
Tepper and I have great faith that we're moving in
the right direction despite the.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Fact that it was an ugly game.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Jordan, I agree with you totally.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
I echoed those sentiments and I've said this already since
I started doing this in twenty nineteen. This is the
first time I think we're in total alignment and direction.
You know, Coach Rivera that was his last year twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
You know, so like that was kind of a okay.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Then Matt Rule came in and it was a transition
away from Marty Hernie and.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
You know who was really the GM.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
You know, Marty helped with the draft, and then after that,
you know, Marty wasn't around anymore. And then so it
just it felt like, Okay, where are we're going, where's
the direction? And so now it just seems very very
and it just seems an alignment. I just I keep
saying that over and over again. You just feel like
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everyone's in alignment. And that's the thing that I'm encouraged about.
I saw progress during the course of the season, and
I'll go back to Santa Jordan.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I was very lucky in Carolina.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
I'm not so sure if we were ever mathematically eliminated
from the playoffs ever until the final week of the
season or game of the season, to be quite honest.
But I've been at other places where you were and
you know what, guys check out. I mean, they're on
vacation and we've been eliminated for well over a month
or longer, and that has not been the case whatsoever.
(08:03):
You know, you have a tough loss to Dallas. How
are we going to respond Christmas week at home against Arizona. Yeah,
well we answered that pretty darn good. So I like
where we're going. I like the direction. We'll have money
to spend where we can talk draft stuff. But like
Luke and I discussed Sunday morning, just you know, talking
(08:24):
before the game, We've got a extra first round pick
this year. We have the number one player in free agency,
it's Derek Brown. Like that's huge him to come back.
We had some more pieces we draft, hopefully we draft well.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
And hit, and the continued development of some of these
young guys. I like the direction we're going.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Well, it's almost time to start talking about all that
offseason stuff. I want to talk about the Falcons, Jake,
because it is there is still one game remaining, but
this week time of year, the Pro Bowl is announced.
You and I are both fortunate enough to get to
experience that. Ecstatic for ja Seahorn to get named to
the Pro Bowl. Jake, this guy has he hasn't had
(09:03):
like Thomas Davis level of injuries. But his career has
definitely been frustrating with the start and stop nature to
everything that he's had to go through with all of
his injuries and a lot of potential and man, if
this guy could be healthy, imagine how good he could be.
For him to get named to the Pro Bowl for
the first time on a dang four win team, Jake,
that is so hard. I was super surprised when I
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made the Pro Bowl on a two win team, Jake.
It just doesn't happen very often, you know, And so
completely thrilled for him. It was neat reading about the
reaction of the team when he was announced at the
team meeting this week, how everybody was through the roof.
Adam Thielen said he didn't he's never seen a team
be so excited for a teammate to make the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
But big, big news for him, man, and just super happy.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I know you are too, Yeah, very much so, Jordan.
I read that this morning. There's something special about that.
Listen Kidd was the first round pick. He's had some
tough injuries, you know, one in essence, was due to
friendly fire. His own teammate hit him in I believe
what broke his wrist a few years back, and you know,
the kid, he loves the game. And I call him
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a kid because, like literally he was one and two
and three years old in the locker room of the Saints,
was teammates with his dad, Joe Horn. So it's like
I've seen that kid since an infant. But that's special, Jordan.
I think you hit it on the head on a
team that, Yes, we haven't had a lot of wins,
we're not in the national.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Media, national spotlight.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
This is not the New York's, the Dallas is the Pittsburgh,
the Philadelphia's of the world where you know, there's so
many I'm not gonna go on that soapbox, but there's
a lot of Pro Bowls that get awarded to some
of those guys that really and truly they don't deserve.
It's the market they're in and how much they're force
fan down our throat by the national media.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
So very proud.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
I know Robert Hunt was one that I was hoping
he would make, but you know, he's on the cusp
of I think people they knew who he was in
Miami and then signed the big deal in Carolina. We
have Cuba running the ball the way he is. I
think it's a step in the right direction. I go
back to two thousand and four, Jordan, excuse me, and
that's the year that you know, we started out one
(11:16):
and seven after the Super Bowl, and when it was
announced the Pro Bowl, I think we had five wins
at the time, and Coach Fox, I think announced, you know,
I think Mussin made it that year, Julius, and it
wasn't a whole lot. And then he said first alternate,
and he goes, and your time's coming, and he said
my name, and I was floored as the first alternate, Like,
(11:36):
my gosh, we have.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Five wins and I'm lucky enough to make it the
next year.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
So it's just it's a process sometimes, and I think
that process is trending in the right direction. With someone
like Robert Hunt, you know, JC, I think he can
be a perennial type Pro Bowl type player.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
For US, a big deal.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
And then some alternates as well, Cuba, Johnny Hecker, and
Robert who you know, Robert very deserving. I've I've sung
his praises all season long. Man, Just think he was
an awesome acquisition and the guy that we can count
on for many, many years, more wins. If more wins
would have come, then he would have made it as well.
So hopefully you get things going next year and get
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him in the fold there. But making that feeling, man
like you just mentioned making your first Pro Bowl finding
that out, you're so excited. I mean, everybody wants that
on their resume. And we got to go. I'm sure
it's still fun, Jake. Now it's the Pro Bowl games
and it's you know, there's a flag football and there's
competitions going over to Dang Hawaii. Staying at the players hotel, Man,
(12:37):
guys were totally isolated.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Everybody stayed there together.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
We were hanging out that That was such fun times.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Man, I know you enjoyed it, Yeah, Jordan, I definitely did.
And I was very lucky the time I made it.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Our coaching staff coached it because we had lost in
the NFC Championship game and so that was made it
even more special.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
And honestly, you know, you get to meet some of
these guys that you kind of know, but you get
to know them on.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
A different level.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
And I think what I enjoyed more than anything it
was our offense meeting the Carolina offense. So from you know,
Matt Hasselback arg done, Michael Vick and those guys, Hey
tell me about display, tell me about that play because
they're learning to be able to play that week, and
so it's another level. So like in essence, I was
in the huddle almost every play, just like they would
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call it, not help them out. And because it's a
very watered down version, but I mean you don't know it.
You're learning it for the first time, and yes, it's serious,
but it's also a fun time. So that's what I enjoyed,
you know, the most, you know, like kind of that
interaction with those guys.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Something tells me Michael Vick was able to run a
different version of our offense than you were.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Jake, Well, we couldn't do the run plays that Dan
Henning liked to call for me because you know Michael
had trouble with that.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, I bet. So have you been watching the college
football playoffs? Jake?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yes, I have. I have watched the games.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I'll watch obviously the delayed one this afternoon, but yes
I have.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
That was a tough watch yesterday.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
I have no rooting interest, to be quite honest, but yeah,
I fell for hours on the State I mean, you
know the true definition of targeting and they don't call
it that.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
That's that's hard.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
You know that team, you'd like to have seen that
team have a chance to and look who knows how
to make the kig? But you know that was difficult.
That was a difficult watch.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Well, we were actually listening to that on the radio
as we were driving home from the mountains and man,
what that was like? That was an incredible game to
have a radio listen because we we tuned in on
XM and it happened to be the Sun Devil's broadcast
and there there were going nuts on that targeting called
Jake and how do you not call that? Inspect speculation
(14:49):
on conspiracy theories and all that. But then to go
to double overtime, Yeah, exciting game for us here in Idaho.
Obviously the Boise State game was a huge deal and
frustrated to see the Broncos and not build to get
that win.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
And it was a very good game, just Boise State.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Too many errors, Yeah, Boise like they man, they had chances,
man that that game.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
They that was a pretty good football team.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Very impressed, as it might sound shocking, but I was
probably even more more impressed with the running back genty.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
He couldn't do anything because of Penn State's defense.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Didn't give them credit. But this guy is a tough
runner and he's got great balance. I was impressed watching him.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
You had a lot of tiers in the Treasure Valley,
which is where were home to the city of Boise
with him going to be leaving next year, because he's
definitely been fun to watch. And then had a good
Oregon I mean, like I could. I was a little
bit late starting that game. I'm like, what was it
twenty one to zero or twenty to zero when I
turned it on in the first quarter, I'm going, what
and the heck?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Oregon made a little more close in the second half,
but that one shocked me. Man. I thought that was
going to at least be a close game.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, Jordan, I'm like you.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
I thought it had been closer, but I'm okay, I'm
not gonna miss the prognosticator. But I just thought this
was Ohio State was gonna win, and they were gonna
win handily. I just felt that going in. It seems
like that team put all the pressure on the world
on themselves all year long, and after the Michigan loss.
It just seems like that team has just said, screw it.
We're the most talented team, Like we can't play tight,
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we gotta play loose, and that's what it feels like.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
They're dangerous.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
It's very dangerous.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
And then the game in New Orleans got delayed, Jake
and terrible reasons.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
And that's close to you. So I just didn't know
if Vietney.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Yeah, you know, geez, yeah, Jordan, that's that's hard, man.
It's hard anywhere, but you know, certainly fairly close to me.
And and Jordan, I'm gonna be very honest that exact
location where it happened three weeks prior. I was there
with my wife and two kids, leaving a restaurant and
walking to the Singer Theater to go watch Lauren Degos
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Christmas concert, and like, literally right there. That's difficult, Jordan.
It's never easy. You can never be prepared. One of
the victims know the family, well, know the kid. His
name is Tiger besh Uh, twenty seven years old from Lafayette,
played football at Princeton Princeton. He worked up in the
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Northeast in the financial world. Terrible, terrible news. I played
with the Saints with his uncle Bread Besh his you know,
his younger brother, Jack Besh is the receiver at TCU
that'll be coming out in the draft this year. Just awful, wonderful,
wonderful family, good kid.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
It's just done.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
You know, a kid that left here a little undersize
goes play football at Princeton graduate.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
It just but why, you know why, it's just such
an act.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
And yeah, Jordan, I just prayers to everyone involved and
and everybody affected in this situation, well said Jake.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Just yeah, I mean we can.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Go on and on about the insane nature of that
whole deal, but today there is a game to look
forward to, and hopefully everybody can find some enjoyment in that.
I know there'll be a lot of time spent on
that broadcast talking about and remembering and all of those things.
So the Panthers are going to finish up the game
the season. This week, Jake had Atlanta, Hey, Atlanta still
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in the playoff hunt wildly enough. The scenario is if
Atlanta wins and Tampa loses, then Atlanta's a playoff team.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Jake, low probability.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
I see some of the statistics on that is like
a seventeen percent chance even with a win. I think
a lot of people are thinking that Tampa is going
to be able to get the win this week, but
still stuff to play for, you know the deal, Jake
and the guys. Being honest, I was on Panther Talk
this week, I said, I know the players are very
excited for the season be over. Jake, you get this
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close to the end, if you're still healthy, You're like, man,
I just don't want to get injured. I don't want
to have a surgery. I want to put on some
good film at the end of the season here and
then go get on a beach somewhere and rest my
body from this tough journey we've just been through.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah, Jordan, it's a listen.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Atlanta, they have to win if they have any opportunity.
And I'll be honest, what better gift to give that
Atlanta Falcons As a Carolina Panther's just let's go beat
them and let's give them nothing to worry about, right,
I Mean, that's that's kind of what I'm thinking, And
so I'm looking for us to bounce back.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I'm playing a little bit different, to be quite honest.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I think Atlanta's coming off of brutal loss and over
time on the road Sunday night in the fashion that
they lost. And so yeah, the scoreboard watching the NFL
does a very good job of making sure that every
game of significance will all be at the same time,
so a team doesn't know whether they're mathematically eliminated prior.
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So Tampa's got to go to New Orleans. New Orleans
is playing with a pretty depleted roster. I think Tampa
feels pretty good there, but it is division rivalry. But again,
let's worry about our house. Let's go, let's come back
with a better taste in our mouth than what we
finished with last week. Let's put some points up, let's
help our defense out, let's keep them up the field,
and you know, let's give Atlanta a parting gift for
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the beginning of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Did you ever have a vacations already scheduled at the
end of the season or did you know, hey, we're
just going to go home as soon.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
As we can.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Never had something scheduled, to be quite honest, Jordan, never, yeah, never,
even you know, it was more so you're grinding into
the season and once it's over, then you kind of
take a deep breath.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
But yeah, that's kind of it's kind of always been
my mentality.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
The end of the season is so abrupt. Man, you're
going since the end of July, churning along. Every week's
the same, man, go go, go, go go. You lose,
the season's over, you have your Monday exit meeting. Tuesday,
you're just off. And I just I never could get
used to the feeling when that season ended. Is just
how quickly your life changes.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
It's amazing, you know, it's like you're right, you hit it.
It's it's non stop. It's every single day, and then
all right, see y'all in March. And that's when we
used to return back in mid March.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
You know. Now they don't.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
I don't even know if players go back anymore. If
they do, it's like in April, sometime mid April. So yeah,
it's a very it's very different, very different.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
The last thing I got for you, Jake, it's completely
off topic with the Panthers, but with the end of
the regular season, last game for the Jets, Aaron Rodgers
now starting to say that he possibly could be his
last game in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
You know, there's be a head coaching change.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
It just doesn't seem like that's been a great relationship
with him in that organization.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
He says he's.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Enjoyed his time there, but just who knows what direction
that's headed, and pretty uninteresting to have an NFL without
Aaron Rodgers and also Jake what he like, the guys
go somewhere.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Else at the end of their career.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
It's just there's The NFL just not does not allow
very many easy ways.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
To exit the game.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
It's just been funny watching him and seeing kind of
how this thing unfolded.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yeah, Jordan, it's.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
You know, I kind of I always say it it's
father time and it's not knock, who's there. It's father
time and I'm here, and it's it like I'm here,
like that can happen during the course of the season.
He's undefeated, man, Father Time is undefeated, and I'm not
sure what's gonna happen there. Certainly it didn't go anyway
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that they expected, you know, and watching him play, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
The arm is still there. I think that's the thing.
I think his arm talent it's still brilliant. It's still there.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
But it's just you know, it's hard, man, You're forty
years old. You can't move like he used to. And
he was twinkle toes in the pocket. To me, he
was the closest thing to Joe Montana. I think we'd
ever seen just his footwork and the balance and everything.
And I watch him now and I just don't see it.
I just think that's father time. I don't think it's
the arm. I just think it's the it's the body.
So I'm not sure how that's all gonna end. But yeah,
(23:00):
it's pretty crazy. How the NFL they it retires you
pretty quick, well.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Twenty years later if you're him, I guess so, maybe
not too quick for him, but well, Jake, enjoy the
last game of the season for the Panthers.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Wish you well man, and we.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
Start talking next week about offseason plans and the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Looking forward to it, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Very much, looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to
going to Atlanta. And you know, Jordan, I think we
all well know professional hatred as a player, and you
just want to go beat a division opponent.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
That's just no other way around.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
All Right, We'll watch out. They have a lot of
traffic down there.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Okay, sounds good bye.
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