2023 Week 2 Preview

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
They around the NFL podcast. Dan hens this and the
Falcons cass up.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Proud from the Chris Wesley podcast studio. It's around the NFL.
I am Dan Hansson. Here are the members of the
Falcons gas up. I like that Greg Rosethal and Mark Sessa.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
I mean, maybe it's time to start thinking about putting
a ring on this team. They get a little more official.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Well the Falcons and rings, that's probably never gonna happen.

Speaker 5 (00:32):
So the thing that I enjoy about this scenario and
what Zumwalt just announced there is that before the show
with you know, a lot of time to chat lot time,
you are genuinely, like, genuinely slightly annoyed at Greg and
I for this whole Falcons thing. I'm You've you' it's
not a bit, it's a real thing. You see him
a little. You seem a little agitated with the fact

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that we're unified on this front.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
In general, you guys, being unified is always a little
off putting to me, just because it doesn't feel authentic
to real life.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
But I think, what is that even us mean, we
just both happen don't like the Falcons? How is that
not authentic?

Speaker 2 (01:08):
I'm totally fine with you guys liking the Falcons. I
just don't want you guys to like in October, if
your precious little quarterback is still thrown for one hundred
and fourteen yards a game, don't tell me how fun
they are. Okay, Like, can we at least have an
honest dialogue about whether the Falcons are fun? And I'll
promise that to you.

Speaker 5 (01:25):
Right, we're grounded in reality, though I don't think it's
not as if we were. We've gone on some lsd E
mission into the night, like we we were watching the
games and assessing them.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
And I just also to make this clear, I'm not
against the Falcons, like I'm okay, if they're successfully, you're against.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Just if they're fun, let's do it. Let's make it
a round about.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
I'm open to it.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
You got to earn those stripes, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
It's not about based on a summer of promise and
and what daddy gave to his son.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
You know, all right, we'll see that part of it.

Speaker 5 (02:01):
I don't think that Arthur Smith is some NEPO baby
walking around.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
I didn't say it. You connected those dots. I didn't
even bring up the man.

Speaker 5 (02:09):
You brought up you brought up the the FedEx thing
multiple times on the show.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
And I do want to point out because we've got
a lot of new listeners we've heard from him. We
love you. Great, great start to the season, team of ATLU.
Just I'm going to read the disclaimer that we have
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(02:35):
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Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, Yes, that's the great Dick Banks, the one man
house band from Dave Danisheck, actually, I'm sure I get
hit up Dick and be like, hey, you want to update.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
It's like, no, I don't want to. We don't need to,
we don't need to. Bus ATL sounds better. It never
really they have gotten around at and AT that's bad.
At NFL, that's not good that.

Speaker 5 (03:04):
Matching news show. By the way, we were never invited
to participate on air in any fashion.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
I think we were Actually I think we had a
regular spot on it.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
No, no, no, like the old old version before they Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Think we had like where they made an NFL and
was involved.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
All right, we're already off track here. It's a beefy show.
It's a Thursday show. It's week two in the NFL.
If you if you caught the Wednesday show. Did you
catch the Wednesday show? I know you're under the weather mark.
Did you catch the show?

Speaker 5 (03:30):
It's what I the minute I exit the studio, I'll
be listening to that. No, I was like three sheets
to the wind in terms of health, just lost.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
You were drunk?

Speaker 5 (03:38):
Yeah, No, that's not the term.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
I was literally was like.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
Confirming our suspicions.

Speaker 5 (03:42):
I don't want to give Colleen, Greg and Dan much
less everyone behind the glass what I thought I had
yesterday and I much better now.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
But no, I did not listen to a second of it.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
Give him a round of applause, keeping us healthy long season.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
But you should know that Thursday we preview the Thursday
night game, which, by the way, we will be covering
the recap of Vikings Eagles tonight.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
You get more programming from us.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
And we also previewed Sunday night football Dolphins Pats and
then two Monday night games Saints Panthers, Brown Steeler. So
check out Wednesday show with Colleen Wolf for those previews.
Now we're gonna hit all the other games, all the
non primetime games, and we do it draft style, and
we have our locks of the week. Greg, congratulations, You've
always been very high in your own supply in this

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in this particular department. What do you mean you can
own it. We've had success and you never cease to
remind us of it. You're now again ahead of me.
Mark and the westling Zoo. We all lost and you
locked up effectively in week one. So big week for Mark.
Another thing you should know Mark, is we set the

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table here. Yeah, you should know that Mark, Greg and
myself both locked up the Eagles on Wednesday's program.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
All right, what was the Vegas scenario there? That seems
like it.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Was according to Draft Kings, they were six point favorites.
Courageous the mirror.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
I wasn't gonna do it. I had a different one,
and then Dan did it.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Just like the mirror was foggy.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
Yeah, I'd say it a little fun.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
But I've had a bad week and I felt like
I deserved maybe a walk in the park lock.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
But I thought that lasted good. The Chiefs too, so
we'll see.

Speaker 5 (05:31):
I don't but I don't know. I don't come at
you guys about the it's under actually seven.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
We I have some some lock stuff. We'll get to
it later. I feel like we've gotten we've gotten too slow.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
Yeah, let's get let's go. Let's get to it.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Let's start with the first overall pick. Look at this
at MS number one pick up the week, presented by
the aformentioned Draft Kings, and it is the Kansas City
Chiefs at the Jacksonville jack Uars. The spread here is

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Chiefs laying three and a half over under fifty one,
a showdown of two teams they met in the playoffs
a year ago. And Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs are
coming off a very deeply frustrating Week one loss one
point loss to the Lions in which they hadn't listened.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
They had no business losing that game.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
They couldn't catch the football and it was a grotesque
showing by their receivers, particularly Kadarius Tony, who has a
lot to make up for starting this Sunday at one
pm on CBS.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
Who's got the Call?

Speaker 2 (06:39):
By the way, Iron Eagle, Charles Davis and Evan Washburn.
The Chiefs are laying three and a half points, and
I feel very good about it. Travis Kelsey returned to
practice in a limited capacity on Wednesday, so he's trending upward.
And if you get Kelsey back in the lineup, Greg
and you get a mad Chiefs team about how they
executed on a lot. I think they're gonna be okay here,

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but I'm not sleeping on the jack.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
I think they'll be okay. But this is I'm fascinated
by this game. I'm curious. You know your quick opinions
on the Kelsey Taylor Swift rumors here?

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yes, both born in nineteen eighty nine. Kelsey apparently tried
to get his number to Swift, initially rebuff but now.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Potentially potentially hanging out. I think it's not good that
could be.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
I don't think that could.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Be a factor. I think look, he's grown a lot
since catching Kelsey. The the reality show that Lakeisha and
Chris Westling both enjoyed, What.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
If You Want to Talk, Yo? Talkyo?

Speaker 3 (07:39):
But I think you were reminded, like what an incredibly
valuable part of the Chiefs offense. Like that's obvious. He's
a Hall of Famer, But I think what gets lost
a little is as good as Andy Reid is, as
good as Patrick Mahomes is. Travis Kelce's presence opens things
up for the rest of the receivers in a way
that they struggled to get. And I'm not sure what

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this Jaguars defense is going to be this year. I
was not high on them coming into the year. I
don't think we learned much Week one against the Colts.
I think the Chiefs should have a nice bounce back
game Offensively, the question is like can they hold up
against t lock because Trevor Lawrence looked like he was
ready to make that leap last week. Mark. I mean
not that he wasn't great down the stretch last year,
but now he's got Calvin Ridley and he was just

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making some next level throws to the point where you
believe they could keep up in a shootout.

Speaker 5 (08:25):
No one could stop Calvin Ridley and it's it's amazing
to me. I think that had to be like, quietly
the trade of the year A season ago when it
was it's under the radar because Calvin Ridley was not
going to play. But they gave up very little to
what is a bona fide star wide out and it
right away changed who they were on offense. I thought, Lawrence,
you know, the one thing that concerned me a little

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bit was I thought that Indy pushed that Jacksonville line
around a little bit last week and gave gave Lawrence
some problems and put him under pressure. And so you
got Chris Jones back, and it's like Chris Jones, I
think could be a depending on what version we get them,
could be a huge factor in this game. And so
you have your two best players back and Kelsey probably
normalizes the offense to some degree, and really, like what

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we saw was so atypical for Kansas City in general.
Kadarius Tony, I don't think I'll ever have a game
like that again. I know he's inconsistent, but like, you're
not going to get that version of it. Outside of that.
Just before halftime march by Patrick Mahomes, we had three
completions with twenty five plus yards. They were so quiet.
They scored six points in the second half. They only
allowed fourteen to Detroit, But the one area where they

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were battered was on the run down the stretch. They
just looked tired and different. I think Chris Jones can
change that, and I don't know if I trust Jacksonville
as a team that can go take it to the
Chiefs on the ground necessarily.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Kadarius Tony is very happy that Chase Claypool's in the
league because otherwise he would have been the worst player
in football in Week one.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
He's not the worst player in football.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
In fact, I would not be surprised if Kadarius Tony
has a really big bounce back game.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
I think he has a lot of talent.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
We were hyping him up, a lot of people hyping
him up in the offseason for a reason.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
I talked about this four of the season started, that
people are sleeping on Trevor Lawrence, a guy could be
an MVP candidate. That throw that he made to Zay
Jones against the Colts, that's everything, and Jay Jones did
a great job there too. But you get Ridley Jones,
Ingram and Travis a TN. I thought look had a
lot of bursts look good in that game.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
He's underrated.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
I think the Chiefs are gonna take care of business
here because I just can't imagine them falling to own
two and losing the way they did in Week one
and not coming out mad as hell and ready to
kick some ass. But would it surprise me this is
a tight game in Jacksonville. It wouldn't. I think the
Chiefs take this, but I think it's gonna be, you know,
twenty eight to twenty four or something like that.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
I like this one.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Jacks fans who want to see this team as one
of the AFC rising powers, like this is a great
early season statement because I still don't think the Chiefs
will have beyond their p's and q's totally. And Trevon
Walker had a sack last week, a little bit better
of a game from him. Josh Allen played great, and
it wasn't just the Josh Allen of the Jaguars, that is,
with three secs in.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
Josh Allen, look at you with all your disclaims.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
It wasn't just the wide receiver that struggled. It was
the tackles. And I'm more worried actually about the tackles.
Long term. Donovan Smith, kind of the longtime veteran with
the Bucks. If if Trayvon Walker and Josh Allen can
win those matchups up front against the tackles, you could
have you could have trouble. But I really love what
I saw with t Law getting to his third reads
and just so quickly he's starting to look like.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
He's a great player and he's just starting to scratch
a surface. Look out what one week one takeaway? Maybe
this conference is a little more wide open than we thought.
And AFC yeah, well yeah, fortunately, you know the Aaron
Rodgers situation that made the AFC East a little bit different. Uh,
the Jaguars, it's there for them to take the next

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step of the quarterback enters the Superstar club.

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Speaker 5 (12:02):
All right, I'm not doing this to annoy you particularly,
but I I love this matchup. I'm going green Bay
at Atlanta. You know, I think I come out of
last week sort of just wondering.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
I had a feeling I was circling this one.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
I already had you already had Mark's name next to him.
I know, well, but that's fine. But I'm not annoyed by.

Speaker 5 (12:19):
I think that's a reach too, because no it's not.
It's good fun teams, two teams I would have one
fun I would have avoided entirely a year ago. They're
about fun. What are you talking about? I do think though,
to your point, Dan, you're a suspicion about Desmond Ritter. He
went fifteen for eighteen a week ago, and if you
didn't watch the game, you're thinking that's pretty efficient. But
I mean it was just sort of a mirage outside
of like a thirty five yard shot to Kyle Pitts,

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very little, very little happening in the in the in
the air game at all. And but that doesn't take
away from the one thing that I think that we
knew we'd see and being fascinated with, which was b
John Robinson. It's like I just want to see more
and more of him, like his ability, especially as a
pass catcher. He if you're not on him right away.
His you give him a yard, he'll juke around you
when he's gone. And it's just like this is a

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true right right away rookie weapon who I made.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
It's seven points where I don't know if anyone in
the league would have created the seven points.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
I totally agree, and like this would make one request, Yeah,
can we get twenty touches for beje on this show?

Speaker 5 (13:14):
I think I think we're gonna see more of that.
But but that's all the thing is, Like I guess
people would say, like take Tyler Algier out of the lineup. No,
I love saying these guys. I'd run the ball thirty
five forty times. Sure, right, And I think in general,
like it's a good test for the Packers because the
more rewatching like that Packers Bears game, the Bears are

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a disaster, like they did this, and so what what
we saw from Love and the Packers offense, which was
very hopeful, I thought, I thought he played a good game.
It's like this is a better test because the Falcons
a week ago, their defensive line showed up. I thought
that they're like their secondary there redone secondary showed up,
and it's this is a better battle on that front
to find out what love in the Packers offense is.

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Although there's a I really am optimistic about his first performance.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, I'm curious to see that too, though. I think
it's a nice setup. I mean, he had he faced
no pass rush last week. Literally, the Bears had two
pressures in the entire game that that were driven by
their show. But I don't think that the Falcons is
some great pass rushing team either.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
They had a nice they were better.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
They had a nice week last week. On your model
looks like a nice s I mean, but I do
want to have another point of order. I keep doing this. Okay,
So Cynthia Freelan heard I hope him not speaking out
of school here too late. Now it's Bjeon Robinson. No
one is on this because I've heard it on ESPN,
NFL network no one. No one is saying this yet,
but it's been quietly putting out there from the Falcons

(14:38):
uh PR staff. I think that it's bon.

Speaker 6 (14:41):
And he did.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
No one saying that it's It's been Bejon everywhere in
the country. I haven't heard anyone say it quote unquote right,
But we could change.

Speaker 5 (14:47):
The player himself did the thing where he maybe it's
kind of gracefully didn't correct anyone, just well.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Maybe if the pr staff is reaching out, then maybe
maybe Tojon, you're just just throwing that out there. I'm
with you.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
Uh, I'm not ready yet. Yeah, but good to know
and I'm open to change, just not there yet.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
I'm curious. Is this Packers even actually gonna be different
this year? The number one thing that they've struggled with
the last few years is stopping the run. So what
a great test because they have a lot of talent
on their defense and they looked pretty good last week,
but it was against Chicago. Have they actually fixed anything?
Because this is gonna be a great test. We know

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that the Falcons aren't going to throw the ball that much,
but can they stop this running?

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Here's the quote, by the way from Falcons RB Robinson
and that's why nobody's wrong and you're not offending anyone
or being disrespectful. Here's his quote. How you pronounced this
the SI? How you pronounce my name is bijan, Like,
that's how you say my name? He said, I actually
told Fox five in Atlanta, but I say bijeon m.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
So we're not wrong then it's almost a little snooty
and like, look how smart. Well, I didn't even know
until I am to call him, by the way his
mother says it, when Bijeon himself is calling him self
beije On, that's good enough for me.

Speaker 5 (16:01):
Yeah, I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
I didn't I didn't know about this.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, this is this is some hard hitting googling from
the old user and a big spot.

Speaker 5 (16:08):
Falcon's getting a point by the way in.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
This that's it, Huh. I like the tight I like
the Falcons here to win this game. I do why
are you laughing?

Speaker 4 (16:19):
Knows what I did there?

Speaker 3 (16:20):
I know what Oh, I do know what you did.

Speaker 5 (16:23):
That was being a good little boy.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
It was well timed. It wasn't awkward aough. Uh batt
Lafleur had like an incredible game last week. We should
point it like, I don't think he's gonna have receivers
this wide open. I'm really fascinated by him because he
played much safer, I think than he did the first
time we saw. And he does some really wild stuff,
some fun stuff. We might have a little fun stuff
on uh the NFL plus a little later. And he

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makes good decisions. But like every fourth pass kind of
goes totally awry. So that's like he's a he's a fascinating.

Speaker 5 (16:54):
The Packers are banged up too, because we've got Christian
Watson still not practicing on on Wednesday, Leavest with a
hamstrng Aaron Jones, who was dominant against the Bears. Really,
I mean changed that game. Hamstring situation, kway Walker awesome
last week.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
Concussion situation, so a little bit banged up. Good setup
the weather there, yeah, good setup. You could really get
out of the gates. How is a pistol here with it?

Speaker 5 (17:17):
That Falcons crowd unblirable?

Speaker 2 (17:21):
What a great football, great football team? What we were
laughing about earlier. I'm not We're not going to tell
the audience. Yeah, so funny, but let's see if they
figured out this.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
Yeah, well we didn't do such a good job in
the first matchup.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
So all right, here we go. I said it.

Speaker 5 (17:35):
Then we did do such a good job.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
Yeah, okay, okay, here we go.

Speaker 5 (17:38):
So much inside baseball.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Pick three goes to Greg Rosehal okay, I guess uh,
you know, I had a pretty clear top three. The
first two are gone. Let's go Seahawks at Lions. Geno
versus the defending team of atl The Lions are a
five and a half point favorite in nuts game.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
They were the twenty twenty two.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
I mean, I guess that's how it works. I am surprised.
Like if you had told me before Week one they
would be five and a half point favorites, that would
have that would have surprised me. You thought this team,
these two teams would have been closer, but one had
a great Week one one at one of the worst
week ones in the league, and it's not getting any better.
A bluecasts starting right tackle for the Seahawks. Injured reserve

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Charles Cross starting left tackle for the Seahawks not practicing.
Sounds like that injury is gonna take a little bit.
Jason Peters fifty two years old.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
Way, Jason Peters, don't.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Don't start that five year clock to start talking about
the Hall of Fame because he will have a Hall
of Fame discussion for sure. Uh, he's back in the
league and he might just be a joke playing left
tackle once again for Gino. And so that's that's a
little bit worry simmy.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
They had good health on that line last year, correct.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
Yeah, but better than this.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Finds a disastrous those two guys played the whole time
until the till the very end. And the funny thing is,
I actually think of their interior as a big time
struggle fest, and they were a week ago. So suddenly
you compare these two offensive lines and you have one.
I think these two quarterbacks both need to be protected
like most, but they're not like elite that and you
have one guy who's got maybe the best line in

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the league, and it makes a big difference that that
Vitie is back. I really believe that he can be
an elite player. Dan Campbell pointed it out they never
had their whole line last year in Detroit compared to Seattle.
I think you're gonna have one quarterback really under pressure,
and I think you're gonna have one Jared Goff just
sitting back there picking out, uh, those middle of the
field passes, Like every good Jared Goff pass kind of

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looks the same, but it always looks good. It's like
seventeen yards across the middle. Let's go, well, he's so
he's totally well.

Speaker 5 (19:41):
I love the way the Lions are built because, like
their offensive line won that game for them down the
stretch against the Chiefs, like they are dominant, they tire
teams out. You're gonna see more of Jamiir Gibbs. I
think they they're just kind of built to do this.
Their defensive line, their pass rush is so much better
than it was a couple of years ago. And it's like,
I don't love the common nation of Seattle's banged up
line and Detroit essentially going after Gino Smith from the

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start because him under pressure is a different type of quarterback,
Like they got eaten up by the Rams last week.
On both sides. It's like that has to be the
most disappointing performance that came out of nowhere. I mean,
we were expecting it to go be a forty to
seven blowout in terms of Seattle with their best wide
receiver corps in the league, and it's like, Nope, none
of it showed up.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
I like this matchup because this is these are two
teams that are near the top of the list, or
I just kind of want to learn a little bit
more about Sure, because the Lions. And this is no
disrespect to Lions fans out there, I know that the
narrative around that game was look at the big Lions.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
They have arrived, They've now.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Beaten the Chiefs on the road, and I watched the
game and then I rewatched it uncondensed, and I'm saying
they did play a really gutty and they got the win.
I thought they were very fortunate in many ways to
get that victory, which is not taking away, but it's
also I'm not ready to say that.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
You're mad about the lock. Just admit it. No locked
up against team of acl in your minds are saying
if you.

Speaker 5 (21:01):
Take away Kansas City that, yeah, change is changed.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Ye, I like.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Sneaky don't care that much about locks. I think I
think you care a lot about them. It's like it's over.
I really think that the Lions are a very compelling,
interesting team. But it's not like beating the Chiefs and
Arrowhead in Week one made me think, Okay, now this
is a superpower. Now it's time to look at the
Lions differently. I'm not there yet.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Now.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Spank Seattle, coming off a really ugly Week one loss.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
Would would tell me two things.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
One, Okay, it's time to give the Lions a little
more flowers because they're two and zero. And now, going
back to last year, I think ten of twelve if
they went and Seattle. You start to really start to
ask questions Greg about Seattle and whether they're even any
good after this offseason of hyping them up. Week four,
twenty twenty two, A little change of subject here.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
Forty eight forty five.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yeah, that was really gu Gino's greatest.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
Game of his life. He completed seventy seven percent of
his passes, He threw for three hundred and seventy yards,
three touchdowns. Passer rating won thirty two point six. Beautiful.
Do we get another shootout? I don't know about that.
I don't think forty eight forty five.

Speaker 5 (22:11):
The Lion's defense is transformed from that, Yes, that situation.
Their secondary I thought right away looked so much better.
Brian Branch, I mean, I think Jack Hampbell made some
plays last week. They've added pad deuce. He just shows
up and makes plays wherever he goes. I actually am
a little more concerned about the Lions offense this year.
They only scored fourteen points in that game. Then the
defense right now, they're just so deep. I know that's

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not superstars, but who made all the big plays last week?
Josh Pascal made that play.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Second year player Charles Harris got the big holding call
in the last rain. They're just deep everywhere and I
think they can win multiple kinds of ways. The Seahawks.
When was the last defense Pete Carroll had? And he
skated a little bit on this last year, but when
was the last defense that was above average in Seattle?
I'll give you the answer. It was twenty seventeen. It
was a while ago for a defensive coach.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
That the earl Thomas middle Finger year.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
I don't even know, but I just searched for like
dv Away whatever or even above average. It's been like
six years.

Speaker 5 (23:05):
They've drafted well though. I think there's there's a lot
of you like youth on this defense. They just were
totally out coached a week ago.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
I think we'll see more Gibbs. As you mentioned, six
missed tackles forced in seven attempts.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
This is outrage. Yeah, give him the rock.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
I want to see Gibbs and Bijon Bajan touch this
ball twenty times in week two. Take off the training wheels,
let them leave fair request. I know this has come
up around the Lions, but my last point amount them
Jared Goff. I know he's not gonna win MVP or
anything like that or go to the Hall of Fame,
but very quietly since Week nine last year, hasn't since

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Week ten last year, eight and two the Lions, he
hasn't even thrown an interception. Sixteen touchdowns, zero picks. If
you protect Jared Goff, he will do work. He's going
to protect Jared Goff.

Speaker 5 (23:55):
He's in that world where he could break the NFL record.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
For especially this week. The Stamps had no pass rush
against the Rams, and that's something they're concerned about. All Right,
I got the fourth overall pick, and I don't like
these late games, so I'm just gonna take the one
that I want the most because there's four of us shook.

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He's going to be helping out here, and I'm gonna
lock up my late game. And it's gonna be forty
nine Ers Rams, And yeah, this is a big spread.
It's seven and a half for the forty nine Ers.
I think it was nine earlier in the week, so
some respect here for the Rams. It's a Week two
matchup that if the Rams do get blown out, I'm
not giving up on their journey this season because this

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matchup has been so poor for Sean McVay, even in
the best of times. But if they cover that spread,
if they make this a game, if they make it physical,
and I think that's what mcvay's whole plan was this year,
and Jordan Roderick's done a great job writing about it,
especially on offense, where they're gonna do these long drives
and eighty one plays a week ago. It's gotta be

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tough to do against the forty nine ers. But if
they can just be physical on both sides, especially on offense,
and make this a game and that it's it's just compelling,
and Stafford's throwing some passes, then I think they really
might have something. I'm worried about their defense being a
little soft on the edge here, going up against this
zone blocking, running game, and so I don't know if

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they can hang with him for four quarters. But you
got my attention, Rams, Like, I'm interested. You got my
daughter happy, you got my wife happy.

Speaker 5 (25:34):
Let's go checking a lot of boxes.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
It's just saying it makes me happy.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Honestly, this has and that's good, that's important. But this
does have all the makings of them come back to
Earth game for the Rams. To me, it does like
we have go six under.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, we've talked about Los Angeles and they're kind of
rebuilding their defense on a fly, and obviously a great
start against the Seahawks. But it's hard to tell Week ones,
A liar, this is a whole other type of test.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
Now.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
I know you're in your backyard here across the sidewalk,
but the forty nine ers are going to be coming
at this young team in waves, and they're gonna be
schemed up in an elite way by Kyle Shanahan. And
it would not surprise me if shannan has this young
defense's head spinning by the second quarter. I kind of
see it that way. Stafford obviously played brilliantly there. You

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can make an argument that he was the best quarterback
in the league in Week one. Could he do that again?

Speaker 4 (26:31):
Maybe?

Speaker 3 (26:32):
What about the fact that it's Coogler and Sanchez? I
just love that. Maybe this is mister NFC West. Now,
it's like a kind of a frisky NFC West game.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
It's sick California. Guy doesn't have to go far it
he doesn't want to leave. Yeah, it's no Sea kid.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
I think I'm I'm with you, Dan, Like Sean McVay
showed how much of a difference he can make a
week ago and uh, the Seattle is a good team.
I still think we're gonna find out they are. So
that was a legitimate victory. But the Niners, I mean
talk about hitting the ground running and it's like.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Oh, you look good.

Speaker 5 (27:02):
If you're no, I'm Joe Burrow. It's like, obviously he's
rusty because he didn't do X Y and Z in
the preseason. It's like, what did rock Perdy do? Rock
Perty shows up in Week one and he's like lights
out and exactly the guy he was a year ago,
totally efficient. I don't like that to me, Like, that's
gonna come with the territory a little bit. Brock Perty
as as like in terms of like where's the fall off?

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It just wasn't there. And like Brandon Ayuk, you suddenly
have another superstar on this team. There's too many ways
to inflict damage.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
What do you mean we'll see I've seen he looks.
He looks. It's been a year and a half of this.
He outgained Deebo Samuel for the second half of twenty
tell me of last year.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
We're getting excited about it. Ayuk is not a superstar.

Speaker 5 (27:43):
Lang Okay, Well, he is knocking on that door. But
now it being the way.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
He was in Week one, he's so physical and he
can be do the subtle stuff. He's a little more
complete than Deebo. I think they're one in one A.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
I love Auk, but we did the Superstar Club in
July and nobody said anything when I didn't have that's
but he needs I guess what I'm saying is he
needs to put it together for a long stretch and
remove that inconsistency from his game. And when I said
after watching the game last Sunday, is if he does that,
this becomes unfair because Deebo is gonna get his and
McCaffrey stays healthy, he's gonna eat you got George Kittle.

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It's an embarrassment of riches for this young quarterback.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
And I think it's like then that you get to
overlook their defense, which Steve Wilkes came in right away
and like there's no there's no problem there at all.
He's he's already a great coordinator. The Rams last week,
I know they I like that they refuse to stop
running the ball, but they ran for two point three
yards for Carrie. It's like, I just think if you,
this is gonna be a different situation for Matthew Stafford

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and he's gonna be put into something and then it
will matter that you don't have Cooper Cup at some
point here.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Shout out to Kyraen Williams. He's like stealing cam Akers
sunshine and his draft picks and his snaps. He played
quite quite a bit more.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah, the one superstar like we haven't brought up for
the Fortnite I guess a couple is Bosa, but also
Fred Warner. And that's where Stafford won last week, deepen
over the middle, beating the Seahawks linebackers. You're not going
to be able to do that to Pookin Akua and
to well nearly as well against Fred Warner.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, what were your vibes because obviously one of the
most talked about names in the league and a lot
of ties into the immense popularity of fantasy football. But
Pooka and Akua, is that is that a type of
performance that's signifying that they have a real player there?

Speaker 3 (29:25):
I think so? Yeah, I think so. I Mean he
might not be Cooper Cup, but he could be like
a really solid number two that.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Changes a lot. It does Cup can come back healthy.
If Cup. I'm worried about Cup in general. When when
you hear things like flying to Minnesota to see a
specialist about the hamstring and you've already aggravated it once,
I'm you start getting nervous about what's going to happen
with that. But if he can come back healthy and
they can establish for a poor here with Nikua, Okay.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
They trust they're cooking. He's smart, tough, physical.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
All right, let's take a break. Let's take a break,
and when we get back we continue with the draft.
All right, we are back. The draft rolls on, Mark Cecil,
your second pick, all.

Speaker 5 (30:10):
Right, I'm gonna take the Chargers visiting Tennessee. Tennessee gets
three points, uh that, which kind of surprises me. I
I don't see these as equal teams, although I think
the Titans and Greg you Bert, you've been talking about.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
This, they're home there. That's I'm going off of.

Speaker 5 (30:25):
I'm going off of what I saw from Ryan Tannehill
a week ago. And now the Chargers, by the way,
like Brandon Staley at some point, he's not he's here.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
Well that he was saying the way Mark's saying that,
it's like he gone.

Speaker 5 (30:37):
I have been a Tannehill like fan for a long time,
and like Tanna Shill, sure she'll no, Tanna Stan Maybe
Tanner girl, Tanna girl. I like that that fits what
a disaster last week? Like, if that's what you're gonna get,
why are you how are they favored at all? How
they getting like like anything more than three points?

Speaker 3 (30:57):
It's like, Okay, you wanted the Charges to be even bigger,
absolut Chargers.

Speaker 5 (31:01):
No, but it's like there their offense. To me, I
this is an interesting matchup because I still think the
Titans are one of the best runs stopping teams in
the league, and this is a completely different Chargers offense
than what we've seen in the past. And they want
to they want to run the ball all day long.
And like Austin Ekeler did not practice Wednesdays.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
No, he had was agent died, so but he's going
to be back with the team Thursday, but it was
unclear as we're taping whether he'll be able to practice,
so he is. He is dealing with an injury as well.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
Yeah, I tend to think he'd play, but Josh Kelly
looked like great too, and so I just think that
this this ground game gives me a lot of hope
for the fact that not everything has to fall on
the shoulders of Justin Herbert. I think that's healthy. I
just think this like a year ago, him having to
play hurt the whole time he did, he still made
some just absolutely like Herbert ish incredible throws last week.

(31:58):
They can do it all, but I like to see
I think this is a chance for the defense, even
if it's a bit of a mirage because of what
the Titans offense is, which is scarily like unimpressive. But
it's a get right game. If you're branding stilly because
I think you're on You're not on a hot seat,
but it's like I think it's like you were in
year three. Your calling card is dominating defense, and their

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defense continually is a problem.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
I got too much respect for the Titans to call
them a get right game against anyone. I mean, if
if Ryan Tanneil could hit the broad side of a
barn and they would be coming off a pretty weak one.
When to me, it's a great test. And one of
my preseason takes is gonna be looking bad because I
was high on both these teams. One of them is
gonna be going to It's a great test though for Staley.
It's like to me, it's like soft versus Like the

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Chargers are kind of a soft team. You think about
them that way. Defensively certainly, okay, I mean, and they
haven't been able to run the ball well on offense
now have but this is like soft versus hard. I mean,
the Titans are hard. You know they're gonna they're gonna
stop you on the ground. Dan's making a faith. They
can't listen to this in the car when their dad
or mom or you're you're the weird one. You're the
weird one, Denktri arden Key, Jeffrey Simmons. If you can

(33:05):
run against this team, you can protect against this team
and play well offensively, That'll say That'll say a.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Lot to me, Like I know you and and other
people on Twitter pumping up the Chargers again this summer.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
But I think they're in a bad spot.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
I think they I think this game is I think
I'm worried.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
They got their ass beat in Week one.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
It was a two point game that they came up,
but they got beat.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
And I know Herbert didn't play poorly, in fact, he
played well, but the best quarterback in that game was Tua.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
And I don't know what makes Herbert's heart beat. I
don't know what pumps him up.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
I don't know if he's one of those guys that
rises to the challenge and gets pissed off.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
I kind of want him to be that guy. I
think that's sometimes the missing piece with Herbert.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Is he like a monster? Is he a monster inside?
Is he a competitor that says, you know what? Tua
just upstays me in my house in week one and
now I'm.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
Gonna have it?

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Five times he responded, yes.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
Not anything in his career yet bag hold does not
act like he's done anything in his career yet, well
hold on.

Speaker 5 (34:05):
I think like it's easy to forget that he didn't
say a single word.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
I'm so sick of everybody putting justin Herbert in the
Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
I'm just gonna say, putting him in the hall like
he's above reproach to even challenge him, like he's never
won a playoff game.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
Everybody plays hurt.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
If winning playoffs.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
Some of the genuflecting at Herbert is on my radar.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
And and now I want him to this is what
I want from him, go kick the hell out of
the Titans because you're mad about what happened last week.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
It's not gonna be easy.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
And the reason I think this is a tough spot
is because I think Vrabel and the Titans, and I
don't think Tannehill is a bad player at this stage.
I think he's gonna be mad as well, and I
know he's a competitor and he's gonna be looking to
play better. This is gonna show me something if Herbert
and the Charges going there and take care of.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
I hear they're supposed to think that's ridiculous about Herbert when.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
I know it is because you're not allowed to say
that about it.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
When he's playing through that injury that he did a
year ago and making the comeback place respect that that
Week eighteen game against the Raiders where he played as
well as humanly possible, and like multiple things can be true.
You can lose games where you play absolutely outstanding and
play your hearts out and play with the most guts possible.
If playoff wins was a great measurement in your first

(35:17):
three or four seasons of like how great a quarterback
like Peyton Manning was a total loser, you know what
I mean, Like, and we've seen that again and again,
and I think last week was a great example. He
gets any stops from his defense. Like you're talking about
what a great offensive performance.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Everything you said is right, and Manning did nothing as
a in terms of playoff success until almost the second
decade in the league. But I'm just saying, sometimes it
feels like we're not allowed to say bad things about
all right, And I.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
Know you feel that way about Lamar Jackson and a
couple other guys too, And I get there's maybe some
exhaustion on your part, but nothing that Justin Herbert has
done on the field.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
Like so I'm saying I'm spinning forward here. I'm saying, but.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
Who's let's plain I think they will. First of all,
what's the strength I think outside of Justin Herbert, And
it's their offensive line. I know they fell apart and
against the pass rush like at the end of that
Dolphins game, but they can they this is an offensive
line that can neutralize the Titans. And I think in general,
like the Titans are not gonna be able to get
not gonna be able to get to Justin Herbert the

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same way. I just I believe that her I think this, like, yeah, yeah,
but they're they actually are a good run game run team.
It's like, I think the balance of this team is
gonna take care of Tennessee. And like the Titans offense
and the Titans offensive line, You're not gonna have Joey
Bosa go totally silent like you did a week ago.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
I just had practice though, but once again, Joey Bo's
out of practice.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
I am kind of a little annoyed with the lack
of faith in the Chargers off again, Joe, I am
absolutely locking up the Chargers and they're gonna They're gonna
do what you want. They're gonna do what you want
to do.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah, because I really enjoy Herbert as an immensely physically
gifted quarterback.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
Do I do have some questions, just as someone who's
watched sports for a long.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Time, like the fire burn within, Like I guess you'd say,
like what he's done, and I I know stats are
in everything, but I do think like almost fifteen thousand
yards and ninety touchdowns in the first three seasons of
your NFL career is something like that's a big time.

Speaker 5 (37:10):
I'm not saying it's not I don't see like a
hushed personality where he maybe doesn't care about football. I
kind of say it didn't care, I know, but I
sort of see. I do see a fire, and I
really think that last year, like what he went through,
and he just kind of refusing to give in or
give up or leave the game. It's like there that
tells me something. Though, there are a lot of players
not like that.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Five fourth quarter comebacks twenty twenty one, four fourth quarter
comebacks twenty twenty two. He's He's been putting some tough spots.
I'm frustrated though. Certainly, if Brandon Staley's defense is as
bad as it looked, then it's just gonna be more
charges drama and Brandon Staley won't be back like no
matter what Herbert does, they got to have a much
better defense.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
I put him in that most heated category of coaches
before the season, and I think they could play out good.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
You know what, I want it?

Speaker 5 (37:53):
I want it, you want I want you to get
your lock, okay, and.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
I want Herbert to just ball out against and just
make Vabel like grovel in that postgame presser. I think
we're gonna just got beat by a great quarterback who
who was upset that the that Tua upstaged him in
his building and made the throws that I I didn't
down the stretch, And you know it's it was time
for me to drop a bomb on whoever I was

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playing next, And that's what I did. That's what I
want Herbert to say.

Speaker 5 (38:22):
That would be a typical of his personality.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
I don't you know that that's asking too much? See,
but this isn't the game more fun to think about?

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Now?

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (38:31):
Even if you totally disagree with everything I just said.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Well, no, I watched like another like tension point between
like and I don't think he's going to try harder
this week because Tua played well. I think he's trying
his hardest.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
See. That's the type of cold bloodless analysis that I'm not.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
I'm not saying, uh, you know, let's diffuse someone having
any passion in their takes by saying, oh, I guess
he's gonna try hard.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
I just disagreeing I think he is. Like, that's not
what I'm saying. I'm putting every I think he's putting
everything into his.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
Perform says he will try just as hard.

Speaker 5 (39:04):
I know you want to see some heats, so I
like it.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
That was a fiery lock. Thank you Mark, Thank you Mark.
After our well, you're welcome somewhat cheepish locks.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
All right, let's uh, let's move to Oh it's back
to me.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
All right, let's head to jeral World and uh, I
know I kind of Here is where I'm at Jets
with Zach Wilson as the quarterback, going to Dallas to
face the Great Parsons, and it is.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
The biggest spread of the week.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
The Cowboys are laying nine and a half points here,
and it's it's just a reminder of what a bummer
of it. It is not just for sad sack Jets
fans like myself, but for everybody, cause this was gonna
be a fun Rogers and the Jets going to Dallas.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
It's a bummer for Danson Romo. It's a bummer for
a killer.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
It's a killer.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
They actually made it so that this was the only
good afternoon game so that everyone would watch it.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
We all get killed by it, and it's you know,
more personal to others. But yeah, it's a bummer. And
here here's here's the thing, because there is a there's
a sense here among the more optimistic of Jets fans
that there's still something here, there's still something to play for,
that the defense could be special in the running game,
what we saw from Breese Hall, they can move the

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ball on the ground. And if you could just build
a team like that, kind of in a ground and
pound old school Rex way, and get the quarterback coached
up just so he doesn't kill you, maybe you could
still make noise in an AFC that maybe is more
wide open than we realize. And Okay, I get that.
All that said, I hate this matchup for the Jets.

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I hate Zach Wilson. And I know there was some
criticism about how the play calling down the stretch where
the Jets were playing for three points. They wouldn't even
let Wilson throw, yes, and because Wilson has struggled so
much as a pro.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
But also I think Wilson was getting killed in that game.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
And that was a very difficult spot with everything that
happened in that game, with Aaron Rodgers coming on the
field the way he did, and everyone thinking, all right,
this is Rogers' team, and all of.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
A sudden, you're in the game.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Here's the playbook, here's the biggest audience in the history
of Metlie said him in the biggest Monday night football
audience ever, saved the day and overall he didn't lose
the game. Okay, So will they open up the playbook
just a little bit, maybe, But here's the problem.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
I think the Cowboys are going to eat him alive
in this game. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
And I just my feeling here is that as a
Jet fan, there's gonna be a lot of Jet fans
that have pumped themselves up thinking we're gonna get right
here and we're gonna stabilize things and be optimistic. But
I think this is a game we're gonna come out
of and feel like reality is set in and the
limits at quarterback are really going to be shown in
this game.

Speaker 5 (41:45):
Why are we in this situation? I mean, the first
couple of plays right out of the game where Aaron
Rodgers injured because the offensive line looked totally incompetent, and
now you're going against a Cowboys team that absolutely dismantled
the Giants five force fumbles, two picks, seven sacks. Well, quarterback,
but even if you cut all those numbers in half,

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you've still done a lot of work against the Giants
and I just don't like the matchups. Like to your point,
Dan of that line against one of the nastiest defenses
in the league and a quarterback that, like, I'm not
trying to jump on this. They should have gotten a
different backup. Maybe they should have, but he just looks.
He still just seems to me lost, and it's like,
you're gonna have to be creative, resourceful and know exactly

(42:29):
what you're doing to have any sort of advantage over
the Dallas defense as a quarterback, and I just don't
see that player right now.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Yeah, the game was too fast for him and it
was a really tough spot, but we've seen players come
in off the bench and perform well a Brock Purty
type or whatever. Look things happen. I mean, Aaron Rodgers's
two snaps were disastrous. The game kind of came fast
at him and those plays just didn't work out. I'm
not really thinking the offense has much to do with

(42:55):
the Jets at this point. Like Brice Hall is a
special player, the fact that he can make cuts while
moving forward so fluidly and make a difference. And you
have Garrett Wilson, we know he's a special player. And
if you can just get enough to just be like
the twenty fourth offense in the league, then you just

(43:15):
need this defense to be next level special and make
these games fun. If you look at the season like
it's only gonna matter if you win a Super Bowl,
Yeah like that, then it doesn't matter for thirty one
teams every year. If it's just gonna be more about
the experience a long way and we could have some
fun along the way. I think they have a chance
to do that. I think they have a chance to

(43:36):
make the playoffs certainly, but their defense has to be
special special. Sace Gartner's coming off a bad game for
Sasgartner relatively. He had to go against Stefan Diggs, but
we didn't see that happened to him last year too much.
Now he has to go against Ceedee Lamb, who they'll
move around a lot, And it's just like, can they
just shut down the Cowboys offense who had a weird
week one where they didn't really have to do anything.

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Can they just keep Dallas under twenty essentially because Dallas
only at two hundred and sixty five yards last week.
Dak was just throwing it within like two seconds. He
didn't need to do anything. So can can they truly
disrupt another team to the point where they're in every
game because of that defense.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Yeah, Josh Allen and Dak Prescott are and a similar
QB tier for me. Maybe Alan's a little bit ahead,
but they're also what are the defects in their games?
They will turn the ball over the Jets to hang
in this game. What's what's the path to success? You
turn Prescott over a couple of times, maybe you have
another special teams play and you keep this a low

(44:32):
scoring game, and maybe Breese Haall breaks one. You need
this to be a low scoring affair, where again defense
and special teams plays a major role. There is Listen,
I am a realist. I understand I'm no longer rooting
for a team that has serious Super Bowl aspirations, But
I also think there is absolutely a path to this

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team contending. If the defense is as good as it
has the potential to be, and if they hang in
this game, and even if they don't win, but they hang,
you're feeling really good about it. The only thing that
you worry about is a bloodbath for Wilson, because then
that's going to take a lot of air out of
that locker room as well. And I think the biggest
challenge Sala has right now you're floating off, there's a

(45:14):
stomach punch of Rogers, and then you have this incredible
comeback that shows how gutsy the team is. But if
Wilson really snows under in this game killing reality, it's
gonna set.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
The opposite of Jordan Love having these two like non
pass rushing teams to have to play the Cowboys right
off the bat, and then Belichick next week is just.

Speaker 5 (45:34):
Well, and he's and and you know, there's a realistic
reality here that he is not a good player on
any level. It's like, I think it's important he got
that Garrett Wilson touchdown a week GOP because Garrett Wilson
like is the guy that kind of embodies the fact
that when Aaron Rodgers came, Garrett Wilson's like, my career
is back on track. It's like Zach Wilson could lose
the locker room quickly if everyone starts to become a

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non factor in the passing game like it happened a
year ago. It's like, I do wonder if this Jets
team because I think there is hope the defense is supreme,
Like you've got stars at running back, a star wide receiver,
like you've got good tight end play. Do you go
and get a different quarterback?

Speaker 4 (46:09):
I know?

Speaker 5 (46:10):
But it's like I think it's like, if you're the Jets,
the coddling of Zach Wilson is over. It's like it's
saying it's his team and all this stuff?

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Is it not?

Speaker 5 (46:18):
If they get destroyed in.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
As It's tough because he might be the very two
best defense in the league. If I mean, I throw
the forty nine.

Speaker 5 (46:25):
But we have a larger sample size on Zach Wilson
than this last week.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
In this don't do the thing that I saw for
most of the Bills game where you won't even throw
the ball three yards past Lina scratch.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
What do you have to lose?

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yeah, just air it out, force the ball into Garret Willson.
Let's just see maybe something crazy happens. How about check
in from Eric Roberts, our producer in the Bills cap.

Speaker 7 (46:44):
Hey, guys, we have somebody else who wants to weigh
in on this.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
Jets Cowboys?

Speaker 7 (46:48):
Yere yes?

Speaker 4 (46:49):
What could that be?

Speaker 6 (46:51):
Hello, gentlemen? Oh, tough loss after week one? I don't
know what I was thinking the picking the Chargers. Of
course they're gonna go Charger in. That's okay. Right now,
Greg's thinking, man, Nick, you can't lock this game up.
It's it's Cowboys are nine point favorites. Well, I don't
look at the Desert Test. I look at the mer test.

(47:14):
I'm fine looking into the mirror. Right now, everybody's thinking,
Daniel Jones got beat down by the Cowboys. The Cowboys
defense is unstoppable. Their offense is good enough. The Jets
Aaron Aaron Rodgers. They're injured, they're battered. No way they
show up and beat win in Dallas. I know there's

(47:35):
a damn good team. This Jets team is good, real good. Hans,
is this one's for you? The Jets go into Dallas
handle business. I told you the Bills and the Chiefs
weren't making the playoffs this year. Someone's got to go.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
It's gonna be the Jets.

Speaker 6 (47:52):
They started out too and zero. Lock that up.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
Total. I'm a Cozi mission.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
There are boys in this world, and there are men.

Speaker 5 (48:04):
And there are psychotic men, or there are little bit
like lost the first week and he's like, okay, now
I'm just gonna like not even seem like I'm trying.
Come on, hey, if he gets this right, like, no
one will ever forget it.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
That was great.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Everyone check out the YouTube because Nick is looking good
looking like a businessman.

Speaker 5 (48:25):
He is part you trust your business to someone who
just locked the jets. I don't know about that.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
It shows a man that has a bold take on
business affairs.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
To me, uh, it's gonna be remembered as maybe the
best lock of all time.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
If that's so, that's you know what that is. That's
called hanging onions. You could say it's crazy, Maybe it is.

Speaker 5 (48:50):
Did he confer with the rest of the.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
So I can let me just a little. I'll take
him behind the curtain a little bit. The Westling brothers
have mostly opted out out of the X, but sometimes
I guess they have conversations. But it's really Nick's ship
now sure, And I would imagine there's no way in
hell he would have had someone to back him on
that at the Zoo. So this is this feels like
pure because Nick did check in with me one of

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the many people that did, and said that he really
does like these jets.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
So it's coming from an authentic place. Okay, all right,
up next is me and I will take I like
this game.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Speaking of Eric Roberts, jump back on a second, the
Las Vegas Raiders traveling to Orchard Park to face the
Buffalo Bills eight and a half points.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
The Bills are given in this one, Eric everything.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Obviously, the story coming out of Monday Night was the
Rogers injury, but a very very big overall league storyline
was this terrible performance by Josh Allen, who gave that
game way as a Bills fan, one to ten peace
scale one underpants to totally dry and no problem at all.

(50:02):
You can go anyway you want ten soaked to the bone,
gotta get home, gotta change the underpants. And it's not
even like you don't throw them in the hamper. It's
a wrap that you throw the how you underpants? What's
the peace scale?

Speaker 7 (50:16):
I'm not like a five a little damn little little
damp if you have, like probably pushing eight.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
A little bit of an odor from not right next
to you, like not from five feet away, but you
get close.

Speaker 7 (50:27):
Comfortable sitting next to Christy right now, if you know
it'd be like.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
At a five like that. Don't drag me into your
urine stories.

Speaker 5 (50:33):
There's a musk to that.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
Urine underpants.

Speaker 7 (50:35):
But if they lose to the Raiders and Josh Allen
kind of has another another another whoopsie game, they'll be
pushing an eight.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
Now, what do you think is going on? Here's the question,
and I'll open up to everybody.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
What are the conversations that Sean McDermott has with Josh
Allen this week? Now, Allen, to his credit, put the
whole thing on his shoulders, as he should have.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
He blew that game.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
There's no reason the Jet should have been able to
come back unless the quarterback the other team gets as
reckless as Alan did. Is there a conversation that leads
to and this? This would make me feel a little bit.
I would be torn as a Bills fan. We need
you to rein it in and not be Josh Allen
because this is becoming to be an issue. Are we
going to see a more conservative version of him this week?

Speaker 5 (51:17):
I don't think so, because it's like there's too much
evidence that if you take away what's special about Josh Allen,
that you're missing a major element of your offense. This
felt like a ghost ridden bike to me, this entire attack,
and we could go and I think the thing is
though I would parcel in the Josh Allen like Joe
Burrow against the Browns. It's like if that were all,
if that were his career, like week after week, we
would not be even talking about Joe Burrow.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Its disaster to make the decisions or you know, and
he had to play in the weather. It was the
mental side of it that was so.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
I'm with you there, But I think the Jets of
awareness of the type of game he was playing, right.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
The Jets have had Josh Allen's number the last couple
of seasons, though, and I think some quarterbacks just don't
match up well. But I feel like even I know
I mentioned this game too many times, but even when
he went out there for a long period of time
against the Steelers in the preseason, something just didn't seem
right with Josh Allen a little bit. And I think
like the last the way that last season ended, I mean,
these two games were moved from throwing three hundred and

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fifty two yards against the Dolphins in the playoffs. But
outside of some of that, like the Josh Allen at
the end of last season and the turnovers and the
red zone performance, It's like this is like a post
Brian Daball version of Josh Allen. It seems like he
misses Brian Table.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
I mean, I think those conversations happen, of course, but
he's smart enough to say it first, and I think
the conversations have been happening his whole career. But when
he gets on the field, he blacks out. And he
basically rained that in from the first two seasons where
he was totally chaotic and would black out, And in

(52:46):
this case, it was just forcing passes that just weren't
even there. It just wasn't even passes that were worth taking.
The third interception, to me, was understandable, but this is all.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
Other of them were close to being completed by no No.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
But the third one it was a great play by
Whitehead where I don't think he expected him to make
that play that The others were just insane. The Buffalo
Bills are also transitioning. I mean, they were literally the
least tight end heavy league in the team in the
league last year, and in Week one they were by
far the most. They had knocks and kincaid out their

(53:19):
sixty something percent of the steps. No one plays two
tight ends that much, and so there is a bit
of transition here, they're searching for secondary receivers behind Diggs.
You're trying to keep Digs busy, to keep him happy
because something Alan and Diggs and like, it's a lot
and you you got to be able to count on
your defense to your point Dan like in that game,

(53:41):
to just go win it for you, and they would
and they would have, they would have, And in this
game too against the Raiders. I don't think Jimmy g
as clean as Jimmy G played last week, and I
think he looked well. Jacoby Myers probably not in this game,
and he's coming out of concussion, Like, I think you
can probably trust that your defense is not giving up
more than twenty points in this game.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
You know Dables last year and you know interceptions can
be misleading, but he threw a career high fifteen picks
that year. He has the most interceptions in the league
of any quarterback in the last three years. So he's
always gonna be that gun sling elma to his game.
And that's okay, Like going back to Joe Namath and
Brett Farv like far as interception numbers were in.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
SAT's okay, as long as it's being balanced out with
like I will give him credit on the touchdown pass
he had to digs on Monday Night.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
That's just classic Allen, Like that's his that's his move,
Like it's his finishing move, that ability.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
To scramble and then at the last second pull the
trigger and drop it in there. I don't want.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
I think the Bills will be worse off if he's
raining in his game to try to limit his turnovers.
I think he's got to be himself, but there's got
to be if he really is a mad man and
he just can't process it, the Bills are never gonna
get over the hump.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
But I've seen enough good film of Josh Allen. Yeah
that I'm not.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
I'm not in the camp of I think the Bills
are in trouble. Now you're starting to hear that creeping
in like, oh, Josh Allen, is he part of the problem. No,
In fact, this might be a game where he kicks
a mass here and kind of shuts some people up,
like the Raiders seem like at home in Buffalo. A
great matchup for Josh Allen to play some big time football.

Speaker 5 (55:15):
Well, And I think though from a flip side, because
I've been relentlessly destroying the Raiders for six plus months,
if not sixteen to eighteen months. This is a huge chance.
And I thought the Jimmy g played really well, and like,
you know, you are catching a Bills team that I
think it's just it's not that I think the whole
thing doesn't work. They're under a lot of pressure though.
They just feel tight, and I think what happened, what
manifested on Monday night is so much a part of

(55:38):
that that they're just like penciled in. Is this team
that's going to be in the AFC Final two or
Final four, And it's like they feel incomplete to me,
Like I don't know if I trust the Raiders defense
to handle Josh Allen, But do you think that there's
a way that you get another really clean game from
Garoppolo and you're hanging around late that the Bills get
into their heads a little bit. It just seems like
a team of all these AFC teams maybe throw the

(56:00):
Bengals in there to some agree that just a little
bit tight right now.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Well in the in the crowd will be tight. Will
remind me of those old like Fenway Park Red Sox
crowds are so loud at the beginnings of the games
and then wanted to get towards the end. You get,
you get a little tight, it'll be tough. I do
think that the Raiders defensive progress we heard about in
camp played out pretty well in week one. They have
to be happy they're not gonna have Chandler Jones back.
It doesn't seem but I thought the Bills defense has

(56:24):
a lot to like. Greg Russo played well. I think
they've kind of settled on their cornerback with Benford. They've
totally benched their former first round pick kyer Elam like Mac,
I think they look okay. And I've got an eye
on Josh Jacobs.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
He didn't.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
He's had a very up and down career and he
came into camp late, but he just didn't quite have
that pop last week. So just keep an eye on
him because he one year he's great, one year, the
next he's not. Like I don't know, hope he's going
through his training camp in real exactly so, because that's
how you beat the Rams, I mean the Bills. If
you're gonna beat the Bills, they're gonna have to run
on it.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
I would like Jacobe Myers to be in this game.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
He really flashedes a receiver next to DeVonta Adams, but
he was in concussion protogol in the middle of the week,
and so it's not looking good for Myers to be
on the field against the Bills. I think the Bills
win this one comfortably and if they don't, look out
big problems.

Speaker 5 (57:14):
Although remember the Bengals row in two a year ago.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
Yeah, but there's a you can point to reach.

Speaker 5 (57:21):
I think, why if I'm with you, win with you?
Like I think that Jets loss was a disaster for Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
All right, pause right there. We got to finish out
this draft, but not before a quick break. All right,
we're back Mark, You're up, all right.

Speaker 5 (57:34):
So, like I'm not saying this is the best game left,
but I have to pick a late game, and I'm
gonna go. I kind of am interested to see what
happens here. Giants Cardinals, I mean talk about a New
York Which New York disaster was bigger obviously the Jets
for the future. But like the Giants laid about as
large as an egg as one could imagine being produced
on our Earth. It happened in front on an island

(57:54):
game a terrible island to be on and the Cardinals
for all the giggling play, the commander's tough on how
to lead in the fourth quarter. It's like you just assume,
I guess by logic.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
That the Gmas more then giggling. It's it's owling laughter
for an organization to be run as poor.

Speaker 5 (58:10):
Yeah, and less for a Cardinals fan then it's very
little laughter. But like I if, I mean, talked with
Zumbold a little bit by text and he just flat
out doesn't agree that the team is, you know, tanking,
because I don't think you can tank number one if
you're can't tell the.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Course they're trying their hardest. I think it's a different.

Speaker 5 (58:27):
It's like you put the wrong trying if you put
the wrong players out on the field.

Speaker 4 (58:31):
That's sometimes people.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Don't get, not that you obviously mark or even somewhat
they don't understand what tanking means. Tanking isn't the players.
The players are playing for a paycheck in their careers.
The coaches are playing coaching for their jobs. They're coaching
and playing their ass off. It's the organization putting that
teams putting that tank is upstairs.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
It's being in a situation where Josh Dobbs is their
best option, right, that's.

Speaker 5 (58:55):
The what you got to that place?

Speaker 3 (58:57):
Uh, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (58:58):
I say there's a couple of little ways into this
game for Arizona to keep it tight. Now about thout
Jonathan Gannon, Like that defense had three turnovers a week ago,
they had a fumble return for a touchdown. Like they
kind of put the Commanders into a tough spot, and
so maybe Jonathan Gannon's defense has some life. Darren Waller
has a hamstring injury right now that is being labeled

(59:19):
as a lingering issue. That's sort of like the worst
case scenario for Darren Waller, who obviously didn't show up
a week ago. Andrew Thomas did not practice on Wednesday.
It's like you got a banged up version of the
Giants who probably are questioning who they are at this
point after getting whipped the way they did terrible weather.
But I get that. But it's like you talk about
another quarterback under a lot of pressure. It's Daniel Jones.
It's this offensive line. It's like Saquon Barkley didn't do

(59:41):
much last time. They were a mistake prone. They were
kind of everything they weren't a year ago. Brian da Bolder,
WonderBoy was completely out coached. I think think bad night
there was a bat there's a bad weather element to
that game at Snowball, but there was a weather element
for the Cowboys too.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
In a fluky element. But Andrew Thomas be now that's
a huge problem. It sounds like he's gonna miss this game,
maybe multiple games. He's their best player. I would say
on Cardinals had six sex they're right tackle Evan Neil,
who they've been kind of hoping would pop up, did
not have a good Week one at all, and yeah,
maybe they can make this game an ugly game, especially

(01:00:19):
if Waller's not there. You would think that the Giants
have enough talent. But but it wasn't a good week
for their pass rush either. Kavon was quiet O j Lari.
I would like to think this Giants defense does plenty.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
Though you know, would be really ugly. And I believe
in this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
With the way the NFL schedule plays out, when you
have a bad Week one loss and then you get
what should be a layup in Week two, usually you
take advantage of that. If you have a Week three
death March going to San Francisco next week, Giants. They're
probably not even coming back East. They're probably staying out there,
and they know if we don't beat the Cardinals on

(01:00:56):
Sunday at four oh five on Fox and a game
that is called just out of curiosity, I like to
check in Adam Amine, Mark Scelerath, and Christina Pink.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
If we don't take care of business here, it's over.
The season's over before it ever began.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Five and a half point favor, Well.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Go check rag. We'll own three teams, how many make
the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
I know it's seventeen games now, but still I think
the Giants will show up. I think that they were humbled,
they're still well coached. Everyone had a bad day. Yeah,
I think he's gonna have them in a good place
and they're gonna play well. Sekuon is a big day
and I think they win by ten.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
I think I would take the Cardinals to cover that
five and a half.

Speaker 5 (01:01:33):
Point really well, then you have to believe that they've
got just one.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Of my general thoughts. Back in the day, and we
do talk like what we think the score will be
in on game debut. We do that too, but back
in the day, one of the truisms and this would
have been picking the Cardinals last week is like, never
take bad to mediocre teams as heavy favorites like Washington
should not be favored by seven in any scenario. Just
too much can happen in the NFL. Should the Giants

(01:01:58):
be favored by five and a half in any scenario.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
On the road. I don't think the Giants are a
bad team. I would say now a mediocre Okay, maybe
I'll give you that. It was week one. It was
no good week.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Let's see, you know what, that was a special night
in London last year. We're gonna put that on ice until.

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
They win a game, and hopefully for Giants fans listen
Sunday nights.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
As a New York sports fan, we had a tough
go of it Sunday Monday. I mean, people don't even
know a lot of people if you don't fallow baseball.
The Yankees have this once in a generation prospect, the
marsh and Jason Domingez has an incredible first week, and
then they learned that he tore his ucl and his
elbow and he's out until next year. That happens Sunday.
Then the Giant game happens Sunday night, and then Aaron

(01:02:47):
Rodgers Monday enough a waterfall.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
Of like just poop for New York sports. Yeah too long?
Maybe this is those on fire right now. It's good,
it's good for It's very good for New York.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Yeah, only Jalen Brunson can save you.

Speaker 5 (01:03:02):
Now, it's great for the post until the Jets are
like one in five and Zach Wilson still playing quarterback.
Then it's your readership starts to fall off a little bit.
Not necessary, Mark, I am not suggesting that's what I
want at all, I know, but.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Just that's an obvious thing that I'm processing, is a
reality that I'm dealing with.

Speaker 5 (01:03:19):
Well, I apologize.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
I truly still love you. Let's move on, Greg, all right,
I'm taking a good game that's still available this late.
Bengals three and a half point favorites over the Ravens.
Ravens offensive line no Linderbaum. We mentioned out of practice
their center, second year player Ronnie Stanley, the barometer of

(01:03:42):
if the offense is going to be good or not.
Out of practice, we know Marcus Williams isn't coming back
for potentially a long time. Marlon Humphrey remember him, their
best cornerback. They were hoping to have him back for
a week two. Oh yeah, not sure. Not in practice.
No one had a worse week in terms of the
breadth of their team the amount of key players. Good
word then than the Ravens.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
Spell at mark breadth b R E A D T
HI A D.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
I think it's gonna be a a disjointed offensive game.

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
Don't do that to me again.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
The weather was a problem for the Bengals last week,
only problem.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Can we calm down with weather by the way for
week two? Yeah, bad job by these codes. You don't
need we clean it up. It was messy, yeah, and
he does have the smaller hands. And the ball was
slipping out nine inches. That's an old uh old nine inches,
not fig Lamar coming off a bad game. Sometimes you
saw their offense wasn't exactly sure what was going on either,

(01:04:47):
like receivers in the wrong place. Lamar playing really well
in the second half before just like a goofy fumble
and he had a couple of those we've seen across
the league.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Defenses are a head of offenses right now. There aren't
many deep passes going on. And then we got a
theory from Nick Westley. Now that's hard on him, but
I like to give him credit. He is an excellent
football in sports mind, and oh yeah, his eye spotted,
maybe just like a little less explosiveness. He thought out

(01:05:18):
of Lamar as a runner as a playmaker then maybe
in the past, which wouldn't be crazy in the league
at while. So that's just something I'm just going to
watch for. There were a couple of plays they certainly
weren't calling running plays for Lamar, and that's fine. It's
going to change depending on the week. But I really
expect this to be a defensive game. I think it's
going to take the Bengals more than a week to

(01:05:38):
fix all the things that showed up in Week one.
And I think the Ravens defense, not their offense, but
their defense is still in great shape.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
I have a Lamar take.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
I don't think there are too many quarterback top weapon
targets that make as much a big deal than when
Lamar doesn't have Mark Andrews.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Like, well, that's true, and it sounds like guy, that's
his dog.

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
That's his guy. He loves him in the intermediate passing game,
he loves him in the red zone. You take him
out of there. And I know Odell made you know,
one really nice over the shoulder catch and we saw
I agree with you, Greg Flowers really jumped out at
you and you get the idea that he could be
a big time player.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
So there are things they get excited about. But you
need On Andrews on the field. I think he's the
stabilizing Djenga piece for them.

Speaker 5 (01:06:26):
Yeah, so Zay Flowers. I think what we saw that's
like a week two week thing, like they finally drafted
a wide receiver from you know, they've had trouble with
that for twenty years, and like he looks like the
real deal. I really would be concerned about Cincinnati's offensive line,
like the release Lyle Collins. You've got Jonah Williams moving
to right tackle pretty late in his career, and that's

(01:06:47):
if he that's an iffy proposition. He didn't like. He
didn't look good, But no one looked like I think
we are going to not to go down like the
Browns Avenue. But their defense I think is a difference
making front. I mean, it's like I think a lot
to do with what happened we go wasn't the weather.
It's like they absolutely controlled Cincinnati's line. Burrow looked totally
lost the idea that you have, what seven or eight

(01:07:08):
targets to T Higgins, he doesn't catch any of them.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Wasn't really on t Higgins.

Speaker 5 (01:07:12):
It was just I think Burrow he was fourteen for
thirty one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Well that's what I thought was in our previews on Wednesday,
Mark I pointed out not only was Cincinnati stuck in mud,
there was very few passes where you could really point
to him be like, oh there was an opportunity there.
They just completely got shut down on offense, and all
that was like gum flapping that I had getting fired

(01:07:36):
up about Herbert. It's what I love about Burrow is
he's like, I have no questions about Joe Burrow and
the ferocious competitor that he is, and I just feel
like he got embarrassed. He got embarrassed in Week one.
He looked like a chump. The offense looked terrible. I know,
again bad weather, but I would be surprised if Burrow

(01:07:56):
doesn't play extremely well in this game.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
I I I wouldn't be surprised if he struggles, because
the last time we saw him in this game, he struggled.
They were lucky to beat the Ravens with Tyler Huntley
in the playoffs, you know, they they needed a couple
crazy defensive plays, like they've struggled in general against the Ravens.
This is kind of a nice spot for the Ravens because, yes,
they have their own issues, but no one's expecting them

(01:08:20):
to win this game. They're already have a chance here
to go to and Er and win on the road
against Cincinnati. Roquan Smith was insane last week. Like I
never mentioned that on the Sunday Night game, but that's
why we did the emergency pod last year.

Speaker 5 (01:08:33):
Rights why he got traded ceiling he like for very
reasons past.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
Game run game like, he was insane last week, and
I think this is it's just a division matchup. I'm
not saying you could throw the records out, but I'd
be surprised if this doesn't come down to the last possession.
It'd be had a big win for the raod game.

Speaker 5 (01:08:49):
Is it a a Zach Taylor issue on some level that, like,
you know, year after year they seem to come out
of the gate kind of slow.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
That was my dumb question. We did dumb questions yesterday
and I had a should.

Speaker 4 (01:08:58):
Check out yesterday's podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
I was big What was he What was the answer,
because it's like mine was like, is this is Zach
Taylor the man to fix some problems in some letters?

Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
See like the reverse Andy Reid.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Though, my answer was like, yeah, that was a tough
start last year, and then they won ten games in
a row, kicked everybody's ass in.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Yeah, here's a little fan.

Speaker 5 (01:09:15):
He just had no creativity last week. I don't know.
You spent months preparing for that game.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
So I thought Joe Mixon looked much better last week?
Did he did a year ago?

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
And Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
With someone to target FA, they're gonna be okay.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
Yeah, they were okay last year, they'll be okay this year.
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
Oh he didn't see it coming.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
I knew it was coming, but I didn't love it.
I actually hadn't decided which game I want to watch.
Let's go Bears, Buck.

Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
Madison behind the glass, head spinning. What's the graphic? Oh,
she has a rite off? Right up, she has it.
That's a crack team behind the glass.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
Oh I'm sorry, I have not Oh no, I've not
been checking that slack Bucks Bears. The Bucks are two
and a half point favorite.

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
What's your talk like that for the rest of this year.

Speaker 5 (01:10:00):
What's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
That's like my invitation of Colleen, like Baker Mayfield's back, everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
Sounds different when you do it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:08):
Yeah, Colleen sounds to most.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Uh, that's kind of disrespectful to the Bucks. I mean,
the Bears could not have looked worse a week ago.
And if you're only a two and a half point
favorite at home, it's basically saying they think the Bears
are a better team. This is a tempting lock here because.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
I like that You're tempted because I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
I don't think the Bucks are any good, but like
they showed a little something in Week one and the Bears.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
This was my whole double. This was my whole thing
about the Bucks and the Bears in the preseason, Like,
don't the Bucks have a lot of players who would
be the best player on the Bears? Yes, Devin White
looked great last week, Levante David still great, Mike Evans,
you got christ Like everyone's so excited about DJ Moore?
Is DJ Moore better than Mike Evans or Chris Godwin?
I mean, maybe it's an conversation. They're in the same ballpark.

Speaker 5 (01:10:55):
Yeah, he's certainly, like I think he's gonna be great
for them down the street.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
I'm just saying he's not. Like, he's not a top
five or ten receiver in the league. And Godwin and
Evans have shown their level. They have a lot of
good players, is my point. Vidave is another and they
and they those players won and I just smelled a
little bit of bolls of Sons too coming. It's then
to google Loo Let's go. When he went for the

(01:11:20):
fourth and one in his own end, I thought, oh,
is this like when Ron Rivera found fourth down religion?
He went for a fourth and one on his own
thirty in a tie game with like seven minutes to go,
and you know what, it led to the game winning point.

Speaker 4 (01:11:35):
They also settled for a fifty seven yard field goal
to get those winning points.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
He's just doing what Well, that's because their offense isn't
that good. I'm not saying they're a great team, but
that decision.

Speaker 5 (01:11:44):
He's just doing what most of the league is doing
at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
I don't think most of the league would have gone
for it there, and he wasn't doing that a year ago,
is what I'm saying. Todd Bowles knows that this might
be his last chance here and he's flying.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Can I just for the listeners that aren't aware, because
you're conflating it a little bit and maybe you're changing
your I'd said the Bulls of Sans was always kind
of the DC side of Todd Bowles, right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
I was back when he was the DCQ.

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
We've yet to see Todd really shine head.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
He's a super Bowl champion.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Because let me look at it, because I have something
now that I've moved away from Power rankings, and check
out Eric ed Holme, who handles them now, and he
does a podcast. He took over the feed that Colleen
and I were on last year, and it's ed Holme
and Andrew Ceciliano and they are doing the damn thing. Sure,
the Bucks are the Classic win their first two games,

(01:12:33):
and then if you're doing power rankings, I'm like, what
are you doing they're gonna do with these guys, and
I put out I would probably put them at like
fifteen or something, and then a bunch of angry Bucks
and we should be in the top ten. There's only
five two and OHO teams and then it's like, okay,
let's go watch him against the Philly Philly Eagles next
week and then you tell me if they should still

(01:12:53):
be number seven in the league. Right, good setup for
them because and we touched on it, and yesterday the
Bears could not have had a worse start to their season.
The Chase Claypool stuff. He might not even be active
in this game. And to me, I know, Claypool's a
little bit of a mess potentially behind the scenes, Like
you give up a borderline first round pick for him.
That is mouth feasance in the front office. Uh, but

(01:13:17):
this type of stuff happening in week ahead of week
two is just not a good reflection of what's going
on in that building right now.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
No, there is.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
If I'm Adam Rank and Bears fans, I'm extremely, extremely
and I've lived through these type of scenes, toxic scenes,
and you watch your team go down the tubes early.
I'm very worried about what version of the Bear shows
up in this game.

Speaker 4 (01:13:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:13:38):
Dan Wider of the Chicago Tribune, how interesting tweet.

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
Got it yesterday? You talked about it yesterday.

Speaker 5 (01:13:43):
I got it. Not maybe missing these Wednesday shows, but
do you. I found that to be pretty concerned.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Good to repeat it because many listeners may be miss.

Speaker 5 (01:13:51):
Short it said they were to have shaken by the
week one performance, and that in my time covering the NFL,
I can't really remember a time. We're on Wednesday, a
week two, a building seems so apparently shaken by and
or short.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
They were talking a big game this offseason, so is
their media.

Speaker 5 (01:14:05):
They were, But if you so, I'm sure this wasn't
so much on the condensed version of last week's Bears game.
But in the second half, when it was clear the
Green Bay was dropping a bomb on them, the bench,
the players, they just looked totally broken, like they thought
they were a completely different team than they were. And
so that's when the floor can fall out. I mean again,
their offensive line looked like a absolute disaster, and it

(01:14:27):
feelds like you have to worry about his health in
general when the hands.

Speaker 6 (01:14:31):
Of it too.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
Hey, he was not good. He's so slow and people
and it was kind of like pick on Justin Fields
on film Twitter week and it was week one, but
people smarter than me. Alignement two. Just notice that everything's slow,
like his drops are slow, kind of mechanical where he's
thinking one, two, three, four, five, and it's just getting
back very slowly. And that certainly going through progressions. Sometimes

(01:14:53):
he holds the ball. That's what he did at Ohio State,
That's what he did here. Last week he had one
of the highest maybe the highest time to throw in
the league. So yeah, the offensive line is struggling, but
he's also taking a while to make decisions and that
that speaks to the offense being disjointed. And it's part
of partly why I'm worried about this team because I
don't know, coaching wise, have have we seen these guys

(01:15:13):
show a lot of answers on either side.

Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
You know what, I'm rooting hard for the Bears in
this game.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
They kind of need it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
It's really because the Chicago fans have been through a
lot of dysfunction and they don't have a lot of success.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
Really.

Speaker 4 (01:15:25):
People that are my age, for instance, don't have anything really.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
But you know who's going to speed you up a
little bit. Bulls will be setting those double a gap
blitzes like he was twenty years ago.

Speaker 5 (01:15:34):
I can't do this.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
It's the same stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:15:37):
What the Bulls business. We're back here. We're just back
with these hype jobs.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
It's just like, okay, it's just kind of a fun
little story and they had like a fun nine week
that's excited sometimes.

Speaker 5 (01:15:45):
One he had one daring maneuver as a head coach,
and we're we're putting their defense.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
Their defense had a nice performance. Baker. By the way,
you know our Gregy Lowest time to throw his his
game last week. Time to throw and avoiding sacks was
better than it's been his whole career. Like if you
repeated that week week after week. He got rid of
the ball quickly and he avoided the sects slow start.
But I mean, yeah, if he's not going to make
mistakes like they got.

Speaker 4 (01:16:09):
A chance, we know what Baker is.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
I get excited, uited, want and then when it doesn't happen,
it's no, you don't.

Speaker 5 (01:16:16):
But that's not it's the same people that we hear
are over inflated mentions. You know, I could lame those
five people.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
All right, and that will say that for the Wednesday Show.
Next week, I'll see he'll be down there, Mark, you
are up your last pick of the draft.

Speaker 5 (01:16:31):
All right, I'll go. I want to take a look
at Russell Wilson here.

Speaker 4 (01:16:35):
We talked about him on the Wednesday Show. So much
to say here, just kidding, Go ahead, now, I know
to see he never even came up. You're all good,
Sam Howell, Russell Wilson, who doesn't like that?

Speaker 5 (01:16:47):
I don't love it, Washington, but Washington getting three and
a half points, No, I don't love It's why the
second to last pick here. But I don't know. I
think I think more evidence and just more, more, more
quarters from Russell Wilson to see what he really is.
I thought he'd well, if you got what he was
last week, all of last season, he wouldn't have been
a conversation piece. He wasn't special or anything, but far
from a disaster. Howell to me, like what two hundred

(01:17:10):
and two yards thirty one attempts, turned the ball over twice?
I don't know if you can survive with that week
after week. He's a little spicy, obviously, but this Commander's
team nearly lost to the Cardinals, and I don't know.
I'm a little suspicious of the whole situation.

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
How about you, Greg, because you're pretty high on the
Commanders entering the season.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
Faith they're not gonna be pretty. I'm a little worried.
How up and down it was Howell speaking of holding
the ball, held the ball forever in that game, and
some of those sacks were on him, but he's playing
a team of the Broncos who had the lowest pressure
rate in the league last week. Now, that part of
that's just Jimmy g getting rid of the ball quickly,
but the Broncos didn't show anything special defensively. And I

(01:17:54):
know this is an overreaction, it's definitely a hot take,
but when Seohn Peyton went for that, went for that
on side kick right at the gate, and then every
the whole crowd goes crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:18:07):
Because everybody look at me, I'm Sean Payton.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
The whole crack. And then when they took the flag
out and they announced the penalty, Yeah, that felt like
the end of the Sean Payton era to me.

Speaker 4 (01:18:18):
Just now that's a take.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
It just felt like that was such a bad open.
I don't mean it's all gonna get out the bunch
of burners. It was just like a wo wow. I'm
not saying they're not gonna win games. There won't be moments,
but it just was like, Oh, we're gonna try to
recreate something, but it just won't wit.

Speaker 5 (01:18:33):
It was a massive wet fart.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
I love it, and it was so close to working
that's what That's what I.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
Mean, that's what convinced me that it's just not gonna happen,
because it's just the way they just pulled.

Speaker 5 (01:18:45):
The rug out from under you at the end of
the era already that is this could be a.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
There's no way this this is gonna come down to
the last possession. Right, There's these two teams just seem destined.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
I believe this has got seventeen sixteen written all over.
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Javonte Williams, he got a lot, He got a little
more run than I was expecting for good, devastating me.

Speaker 5 (01:19:05):
Peyton said like last week before the game that he
was ready to use him a.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Lot better than I thought season. I thought he looked fine. Yeah,
I thought he looked pretty good. If it was p
Ryan who drove me a little crazy. He had that
one third and one where he had all sorts of
space and he bounces outside and doesn't pick it up.
Ended up being a big moment in that game.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
Greg Dulsich their tight end. He I think he's up
in the air. He got banged up last week, and
uh yeah, sounds like Jerry Judy could play. That would
be very helpful. And let's see if Russell Wilson could
string together some improved games. I thought it was a
little bit of a step up last week, but nothing
that was like a little rise to the level of

(01:19:44):
his page.

Speaker 7 (01:19:44):
And I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
They only had three possessions in the second half and
they tried to kick a field go on two of them.
So it wasn't like a nothing was disastrous, but there
wasn't much that you were like, okay, great. It was
a very condensed offense. And I think this Commander's d
line that was why I was high on him. I
thought they'll be talented enough on offense and really good
in terms of their defensive line that they can ugly

(01:20:06):
into about nine or ten wins.

Speaker 5 (01:20:08):
So I could still see the Jared Stidham era beginning
at some point, even though apparently the Sean Payton aerra
has already ended.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
So that would be let's ride three and a half points,
the Broncos laying the wood in that one.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
All right, we got one last game.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
I like the Commanders there, I come straight up, there's.

Speaker 4 (01:20:25):
One more game in the board. Oof.

Speaker 5 (01:20:26):
Oh well this is not this is kind of a
nice You know what.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
If I had to choose between the one we just
did in this, I would choose this because I was
I was legitimately like, okay, Colts, we're on offense.

Speaker 5 (01:20:38):
I was like, what about on defense? Okay, yeah, they
had Buckner and friends.

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
They had they had I thought for.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
A team, I think they lost by ten points at home,
but like you know, for week one, for a team
with no expectations after a hideous summer with the Jonathan
Taylor stuff, I thought Anthony Richardson played better than I
was expecting.

Speaker 4 (01:20:58):
As a passer.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
I saw what Trevor Lawrence was talking about when I
watched the game, that there were some unnecessary hits that
he took that he's gonna have to be careful with
because that's gonna end him real quick as a rookie
this year, he was banged up, but he's gonna be
playing in this game. But in general, I thought he
was kind of a fun guy to watch and you
saw you saw it like you could see where as

(01:21:23):
he gets more and more comfortable in this offense, he
is going to he's gonna make big plays for them,
obviously with his arm and legs. So I'm interested in
the Colts the offensive line. I thought was better. That's
a major point of this team. And then the Texans
are still kind of a blank slate to me, Colts
just laying one point in this one. So the Desert

(01:21:43):
sees it very close. Your thoughts, guys, on what you're
seeing from the Texans so far and looking at.

Speaker 5 (01:21:49):
Him, I'm be a little concerned about c J. Stroud
in this game. With Laramie Tunsel dealing with a knee issue.
He may play, but he's not like that line like
a couple months ago, looked like it could be a strength,
and they're banked up all over the place. I don't
love that for them, But I thought, you know, he
looked pretty good. I thought, for he's just gonna take time.

(01:22:11):
But I think that CJ. Stroud does some things really well.
And for me, it's just that I also trust their
defense under Tmiko Ryans to be much better than they
were a year ago. They were terrible against the run
last year. But then you've got the Colts throwing Dion
Jackson at you, who ran for fourteen yards on thirteen
attempts and had two lost fumbles.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
They've had a lot of injuries and the Texans are
just one of those teams that can't afford a lot
of injuries. Jalen Peatree, they're a defensive captain, their second
year player, they just love had that bruised lung. He's
out of practice. Jimmy Ward, the safety has a hip injury.
He's out of practice. And that safety tandem, to me,
had a chance. And Texans fans were talking about this
offse to be one of, if not the best safety

(01:22:54):
tandems in the entire league. So that was gonna be
like part of their identity. Their offensive line was going
to be part of their identity. So a lot of
bad life. I'm with you on Stroud. I know he
didn't grade out well in PFF and he was in
third and really long situations a lot. And he did
make a lot of rookie mistakes where he held on
to his progression too long. But he had about six
or seven real professional throws like deep out see that

(01:23:17):
every anticipation, and that if you're a rookie on a
bad team, that gives you hope, because not every rookie
shows that right off the bat. So I'm with you,
I don't know what to see in this game. We
never mentioned Will Anderson looked great.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
I was gonna say that That's one thing that jumped
out to me about the Texans that Will Anderson looks
like a can't miss dude who he had a sack,
two QB hits, six pressures, that's fourth.

Speaker 4 (01:23:42):
In the league. And I know Jalen Carter had a
big week one as well.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
So you look at like some of the young defensive
players and that came into the league this year, Anderson
looks like a hit for them. And then on the
Colt side, one other point, Michael Pittman's an important guy
for them, and you want to see that chemistry between
Pittman and Richardson, and he saw it. Eleven targets, eight
for ninety seven, had a touchdown. So I just saw
it in general, especially with how shaky things felt for

(01:24:09):
the Cults entering the year, that stich In might have
this team in a good place offensively as the year
goes along.

Speaker 5 (01:24:16):
They need to like the one thing they struggled with
a week ago. I think they were one for five
on fourth downs. They struggled in short yardage in general.

Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
They tried to do this did the Jaguars.

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
That was a little bunky that everyone thinks it was
like Oh, we got to make a rule against the.

Speaker 5 (01:24:29):
The you gotta be otherwise we don't need any If.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
Everyone could do it, everyone would be doing it. Last
week I saw it fail a couple of times. Richardson's
such a strange player though. I mean, he's so electric
and so exciting, and he may he's really good at
like some of the harder decision I think he makes
good decisions and he like he goes through his progressions,
but like you just don't know where the ball is
gonna go. So that is a little like like I

(01:24:52):
think his bad play is like he actually he made
good decisions and then just the ball was like five
feet off and that that is a little where he's
But he made some really good good places.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
Watch this one closer. Yeah, I thought I thought his
accuracy was pretty good in this game or raw, but
they must have missed it more throus.

Speaker 5 (01:25:08):
They were three for seventeen on third and fourth downs
last week.

Speaker 4 (01:25:10):
You have got to get it out of their Stroud
was pressured eighteen times on forty six dropbacks. So yeah,
that is an opportunity for the cults that they can
go to some business in their pass rush. All right,
that's it. Let's Week two again.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
Thursday Night football, Greg and I both locking up the
Eagles bravely to take care of business. While we look good,
we look bad. Well, we'll find out a little bit
later and Sunday we'll be back. Flagship program NFL Plus.
New episode coming up later today in your feeds. Till

(01:25:47):
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