2023 Week 3 Recap: WAT!?!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Around the NFL podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Already used all three timeouts from.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
The Chris Wesley podcast studio. It's Around the NFL, the
Sunday Flagship Edition. I'm Dan hansis here with Greg Rosenthal
and Mark Sessler's heroes, both.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Boys.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
By my calculations, which is always little, you know, a
little bit of a high wire act.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Put it that way. That's true.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
This is our one hundred and seventy fourth Sunday Flagship program.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Don't check the math.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
And we've done so many now and many of them
they float away.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
It's just the nature of the beast. Is our eleventh season.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
But sometimes in these on these Sundays, something happens that
you'll always remember that week and that Sunday and what
happened with Miami Dolphins today. And we're gonna get to
it in just a second. I'll always remember Week three
of the twenty twenty three season cursed. However it may
be from a personal standpoint for seeing something that I

(01:14):
had never seen previously.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
We're in a brave new world in Miami.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
I would say, when I think about my own memory
skills at this stage, I don't know if I'll remember
that it was in week three a couple of years
from now, but I will remember it. I will because
these beatdowns stand out is something totally unique, and we
were watching it happen.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
In real time.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
They beat They covered the spread by forty three points,
forty three and a half points.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
It doesn't happen too often.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
Yeah, I think it was a good lock by the
little Boy by the West Bros.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
That's spread in there.

Speaker 5 (01:44):
I thought you were gonna say something happened that you
never have seen before that you'll remember forever in the
luxury box in Kansas City, because that you will remember too.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Is this perhaps the most memorable Week three in the
history around the NFL?

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Perhaps it's in the conversation a strong candidate.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
And we'll end this show because we you know, we
had a BF two heavy two last Sunday two hours.
We're going for a heavy three because the final hour
today we'll just be cataloging every Week three since two thousand.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Oh boy, a lot.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Of work for a big funk behind the glass and
Eric just start pulling data. Yeah, pull like a butt
ton of data from the history of our show.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Big Funk thought he was going out for like a
nice evening martini.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Don't think so he gone, all right, let's get to it.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Let's start where we must start, not in the luxury
suite at Arrowhead, although.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Pretty interesting place to be.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
And we had a spirited conversation that I'm still trying
to figure out if we could have that conversation.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
On this show. No, I figured it out.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
No, okay, Well hold that thought. Let's start in Miami,
where history was made.

Speaker 5 (03:00):
Change.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
The running back chose a flank to the right.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
We got Barrios in most and it pitched to a
change upside point fifty.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
He's gone thirty. Nobody's gonna catch the eight chan. Wow.

Speaker 6 (03:18):
You want to see a change speed out its best
one a day, the rookie.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Out of Texas A and I has had. He just
outruns everybody. They make this extra point, They're going to
seventy points on the day in an NFL game. You
don't see that.

Speaker 7 (03:32):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Devon eight chain rush for two hundred and three yards
and four scores, including the sixty seven yard fourth quarter
dash that allowed Miami to enter rarefied air in football history.
The Dolphins scored the most points in the game by
an NFL team since nineteen sixty six, destroying the Broncos
seventy to twenty.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
What what give us a wait wait wait wait what what?

Speaker 8 (04:00):
What?

Speaker 9 (04:01):
What?

Speaker 5 (04:02):
What's what?

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Give me another one's.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Fats whyspots, whatspot, make it a hat tricks whysots, watts spots.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
That's not Greg, that's Sean Payton.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Unbelievable. Yes, Mike McDaniel, masterclass and doing it to Sean Payton,
who I have to say? And otherwise rough Sunday, and
what's going to be a season of rough Sundays for
the old Zeusser.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
It doesn't suck?

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Sing Sean Payton get a seventy burger dropped on him. Yes,
So a historic performance by Miami's offense that just scored
at will Greg in this game?

Speaker 1 (04:44):
How at will?

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Like just paint a picture of how often and how
easily they dominated this game.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
Well, they didn't attempt a field goal, so you know,
seventy divided by seven, that's ten touchdowns. No stopped on
downs at one point, h they went forward on fourth
down and they were stuffed like ten touchdowns. They scored ten.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
They had over seven hundred total yards. Just the NFL record.
Give us some data.

Speaker 5 (05:09):
Points, Okay, I know, like I want to talk about
who did well, but sometimes just the stats are so overwhelming.
The seven hundred and twenty six yards this actually may
be crazier to me than the points, is the second
most in NFL history. The record is by the Rams
in Week one to fifty one against the Count against
a team I did not know existed called the New
York Yanks. I mean, that's not even a football that's

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a baseball team.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
You know what we work for the NFL close enough,
we decide what ye rule book on this one. This
is the record for most yards.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Right, and I'm like four earths ago.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
And frankly, the seventy two points, which was the regular
season record, only happened in sixty six, which is like,
that's a completely different sport. And that coach Otto Graham
had to take a time out with two seconds left
to get those final three points because he wanted the record,
whereas Mike McDaniel could have kicked a field goal at
the end of this and they put up seventy in
fifty two minutes.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
A few more, Okay, go ahead. You want to hear
from McDaniel why he didn't choose to do it.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Sure, I try to think through all my decisions and
hold him with.

Speaker 8 (06:13):
You know the importance that they do have. It felt
like chasing points and chasing a record. That's not what
we came to the game to do. That doesn't have
a bearing on the overall season come and I just didn't.

Speaker 10 (06:35):
I saw it, as you know, and that ten times
out of ten you you can see kneel down in
those situations because there was a there was an attainable record.

Speaker 8 (06:51):
That was cool, But the message that I thought it
would send wasn't really in line with how I viewed.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Think, Oh, he's one of a gun. He really is
everything he says. He's like one of those guys are
no matter what he says.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
It's kind of funny. I don't know why. Well, certain delivery.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
Yeah, there's so many weird stats in this game. One
of them that struck me was they were five for
nine on third downs, good percentage, And I thought, well,
they scored ten touchdowns, they ran seventy plus plays, they
only had nine third downs. Isn't that an insane stat
that you only got the third down nine times? And
when you guys rewatched this whole thing, I know you

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saw plenty. What I think will take you well is
the running game that as great as a schemer. Mike
McDaniel is known for getting to the ball out of
his hands quick. He was known in San Francisco for
skinning the run game. That was his whole thing. And
they went over three hundred and fifty yards rushing and
it was eight chain and it was Raheem Moster breaking tackles.

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It was an embarrassing performance by Denver. They each ended
up with four touchdowns and some of their runs were
the most exciting plays in the game. And it's amazing
to think how we were concerned about this offensive line,
like oh, this they might not be talented enough, and
they were blown up in some big goals.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
And like last year, despite the explosive nature of the offense,
the run game was not always consistent and reliable. And
you're right, like, he the reason Deebo Samuel kind of
became this explosive runner was Mike McDaniel. And then he
goes to Miami and now you're seeing the effects again,
and it's like, I know it's a copycat league and
we're like, oh, this is gonna be a Shanahan offense.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Well, it's a Mike McDaniel offense.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
Is completely running into its own new worlds and territories,
and there are things you can't duplicate. And I think
they broke Denver's will out of the gate because these
players are too fast and so next gen stats And
I know we kind of make fun of this because
it's like, oh, so and so everyone's running twenty two
miles an hour.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Twenty but right the five, if people around twenty two,
it would be more notable.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
Sure, the five fastest registered times this season are all
by Dolphins.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
That's the thing. And that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
You can't You can't like the next team that wants
to like copy this scheme. Cool, you don't have those players.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Let's hear from Sean Payton, who uh uh you know,
was embarrassed obviously by this performance. He came out of
retirement or left a cushy job at Fox to become
the head coach. Obviously had some big words about the
previous head coach and how it was the worst coaching

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job in the history of the game, I believe, checkmate,
and how they are zero to three and just uh,
we're throttled in historic fashion.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, you could imagine he's not in a great mood.
I know that you said, it's embarrassing, but this has
kind of been a store a.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Third time.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
The team has scored seventy points over seventy what's a question?

Speaker 9 (09:41):
What's the questions?

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Next question? Hey man, you got to wear it. You
you did not have that team ready to play? You
know who?

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Also want to hear from Garrett Bowles, an offensive lineman
who has been there, I believe for seven years. And
I think one thing that gets slept on a little
bit is that the Denver Broncos had a long, long
period of success and they won the Super Super Bowl fifty.
We were there with that great Von Miller led defense,
and they have been a bad team ever since. Here's

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bulls kind of encapsulating like sneaky dark dark times in Denver,
and it's been going on for a while right now.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
What are the emotions like going through your head? Personally?
It's tired of losing. Man, I've been here for seven
years and all I've done is loss and trustrating.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
I mean that shot of him, it's from nine News Denver,
sitting in his locker just looking like, you know, the
world has caved in.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
He looked kind of has yeah, Broncos. He looked defeated.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
I mean, it's it's I kept thinking the fact that,
like it's Vic Fangio, Miami's new defensive coordinator, that the
one thing that Broncos had through all their up and
down quarterback play and lost nature on offense was at
times like a really great defense. And it's like vig
Fangio's watching many some of the players he coached get

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totally boat raced today and it's just that's an interesting contrast.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
Not too many are left and Justin Simmons was out
in this game. In Creem Jackson, I felt like it
is playing hard at his age, but he had a
man I've been in the NFL a long time, on
that Tyreek Hill touchdown that started it all off, where
he just seems so open and Jackson tries to take
an angle and Tyreek just breaks defenses. Because with no
Jalen Wattle today, like no wide receivers other than Tyreek

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Hill had more than two catches. Barrios had two for
thirty three. Wow, and they still put up seventy points.
But the thing that gets me, and I wish Wes
was here to talk about this Miami team because I
think he would see the poetry in it, and he
was very good talking about like the poetry of these
of offenses that are ahead of the rest of the league.
And there is something about how Tua gets rid of

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the ball so fast, like immediately, and yet tyreek Hill
is seventeen yards down the field on a second and
sixteen that was like the one negative play they had
the whole game of second and seven sixteen and I
swear to a through it in like one and a
half seconds, and yet tyreek Hill is over here. And
then you see a Chane who I think is a
national contender, champion in the two hundred meters dash. His

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birth is crazy. Moster was the fastest player in the league.
And there's just something about it with McDaniel that it's beautiful.
The one like.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Tua, who you know obviously a couple of months ago,
like he's the question mark can you stay healthy? Is
he was whereas high marks a year ago? Actually who
he is or he's somewhere in the middle. It's like
twenty three for twenty six. It's that quick release is
just as you said, because week after week he's been
doing that with Tyreek Hill being somewhere of a superhuman
nature down the field, where your other next NFL wide

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receiver wouldn't betting more close to what he's doing.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
You know, I think the differences between this team and
last year's team. All this talk, you know, and understandably so,
is about Tua and the summer Kenny stay healthy.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Nobody really picked this team to make the playoffs in
our neck of the woods.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
I think even if Mike Whites has to take over,
I think this offense is gonna hum It just seems
like they are set up.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
To do something.

Speaker 5 (13:11):
So Mike White's got a perfect passer rating on the season,
two for two sixty seven yards the West Bros.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
You know what, after the madness of last week's lock
we we kind of said, okay, take the six and
a half and jumped by forty.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
I mean, when you when do you GotY three?

Speaker 5 (13:28):
Yeah, when you win by fifty, you gotta give it credit.
When when Robbie Chosen is burning one of the best
cornerbacks in the league, Patrick.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Chosen Anderson, formerly Robbie Anderson, it.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
Was Robbie Anders Robby with a Y, not Robbie with
an I E. He also switched it to I E.
He was Chosen Anderson, but he has switched it now
this year in Miami, Robbie chosen.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Does the government ever step in and say too many
name changing the NFL? Does Robbie Anderson have more different
names in the last three years than catches? And I'm
not even joking.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
Good so well, he's averaging sixty eight yards per catch
with a touchdown on every catch this season.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
You know, this game is so crazy because we got
to keep moving.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
I think we should make this the around the NFL
Game of the Week on NFL Plus this week. Okay,
Dolphins fans, make sure you tune in because this this
deserves a deep dive.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
I love it, a dumpster dive if you're a Broncos fan.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
I mean, because it's our nature to gravitate towards for
those plus games, like you know, back and forth battles. Uh,
this is just a good old fashioned beatdown. One of
the things I love the most, old bomb drop And.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
That's what this is.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
Russell willsont shout up to. This game is like, hey,
I played a pretty good game, like I actually was
one of my better games, and I just lost by fifty.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Unbelievable, very crazy. And by the way, you if this
if it was if the roles are reversed. You know,
Sean Payton's going for that lpen. Of course, record this
is sometimes it's good to see somebody take some humble pie.
Shovel it down, Shawnee, shovel it down. Let's move on.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
The Cowboys running on a time. Here the clock at
three fifteen.

Speaker 9 (15:03):
They're gonna huddle third and goal on the six they
trailed twenty eight to sixteen. They're gonna send Cooks out
to the left and two receivers.

Speaker 5 (15:11):
To the right.

Speaker 9 (15:11):
Shotgun formation for Dak Prescott, Pollard to his left. Twenty
three carries for Pollard, Prescott the pass straight, drop fires,
middle of the end.

Speaker 11 (15:20):
Zone, Pickcock Pizer White with they intercepted, and then by
do in Dallas, Wow Pizier.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
White in the middle of the end zone.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
I don't know that Prescott ever saw him. Just bizarre,
just bizarre.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
The Dallas Cowboys look better than everybody save maybe the
Niners in the first two weeks of the season, and
they're going to Arizona and play the Cardinals, and everybody's
predicting boat race and they get spanked.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
They get absolutely spanked.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Dak throws a miserable iront at the end there, and
even if he does get that win in through coverage,
they're still down by five, I believe with three.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Minutes to go or so. So like that just gives
you an idea of a game that got.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Away from the Cowboys, who were flat and listless a
few days after they lost Trayvon Diggs for the year
to win ACL tear and credit to the Arizona Cardinals
and Joshua Dobbs who come up with the twenty eight
sixteen win in Glendale.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Mark this one's a hard one to figure out. NFL's
weird sometimes.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
Well, I think things happened that you would go into
the game not expecting from what we've seen, especially from
like the Cowboys defense over the last season and part
of this season. They got wiped out on the ground
one hundred and eighty two yards rushing in the first half.
Now it was only they only had you know what,
efros far less than that in the second half because

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the Cardinals didn't have the ball as much. But it's
like the Cardinals came out. We've seen this two games.
They they'll play at least a great half and then
there was a collapse. Last week they played four great quarters.
This time around, and the Dallas defense in the offense
never really recovered. There were plenty of like pass breakdowns.
Again it's Josh Dobbs who after week one it looked
like this is a big problem for the Cardinals.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Josh Sabbs just keeps making plays.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
And I also think that what's what we're seeing happening
is when you've got a lot of backups, like on
your offensive line in other places, penalties start creeping up.
And they had ten in the first half, which Cowboys
the most. The Cowboys the most, the most in the
Mike McCarthy era. They were sloppy. I really think that
they're missing no Zach Martin, no Tyron Smith, no Tyler Beatish,

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Like these guys are the core of their offense, and
it absolutely affected what they could do on offense in general.
And it's like, but there was a nature of this game.
Because we watched the second half together, it's like, oh,
the Cardinals are going to find a way to fall
apart here.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
That's not what happened.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
Because this Cowboys offense that we assume is explosive, they've
looked explosive. Three straight red zone drives, all right, The
first one falls apart on fourth and three on downs
on an complete pass to Ceede Lamb. The next one
they kick a field goal after a third down and
complete pass from the eight to ceed Lamb. The third time,
it's their chance to get back into this game. Dak

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Prescott terrible pick, and it's like the Cardinals just did
not allow them back into this game. And it was
sort of every aspect of the Cardinals team. And it's
like under Jonathan Gannon, who we thought this team was
like riding a tank into oblivion. They're well coached, they're
not perfect, they don't have all the parts, but it's
like we've seen them outperform every opponent at least for

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a half in every one of these games, and today
it was for four quarters.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Sure, yeah, it's a nice win for again.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
And I think, like a lot of people, that the
Cardinals played their hearts out the first two weeks and
then had the hearts ripped out and then here comes
the big bad Cowboys and this smelled like thirty eight
ten and yet two big runs that kind of jumped
out to me. Dobb's going for forty four up the sideline,
right all the way, a little bit of an eyebrow raiser, like,
oh wait a second, that was even that just one

(18:57):
off play. It just felt like that was strange. And
then when Rondell Moore goes forty five yards virtually untouched,
you just think yourself, what is going on with this
Cowboys defense that has been so air tight? They were
able to keep Micah Parsons in checking this game after
he ran wild in the first two weeks. And yeah,
the offense was strange with Dallas because you mentioned the

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Prescott I int which is ugly at the end. I
kept waiting for Ceedee Lamb to get unlocked in this game,
and I feel like that was what was missing from
their attack. They needed Lamb to be Lamb and Prescott
and Lamb to get on the same page Greg But
every time they seem to need that play, it wasn't there.
And you see that they left a lot of yards
on the field and ultimately enough points to lose a stunner.

Speaker 5 (19:39):
Right, It's a great example of something I try to
remember and then you just forget it, which is like
the best and the worst NFL teams really aren't that
far apart. Like even these guys who are out there
playing cornerback for the Cardinals, like Ken Treull, Clark came
out of nowhere, like an undrafted type of guy who's
just they're trying to pick on him. They're trying to
pick on over and over. But Mark you watch is tighter,
closer than me. And four hundred yards by the Cardinals

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offense on nine drives to me is more shocking than
anything else that happened today. Just that fact alone that
Josh Thabs had four incompletions and they went four hundred yards.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
I really think, like we've greg we've been watching these
games together like you on these Sundays, and it's like
we talked about James Connor a couple times that you
kind of get the pro James Connor season, then the
other one hot and cold.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
There's been injuries, there's been ups and downs.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
He's running so hard, and I think he kind of
broke the will of this run defense in the first
half along with the big plays you mentioned, and it's
like it's just ultra surprising, like you would I would
have thought this would have been the game for the
Cardinals were after two kind of plucky performances, here comes
a wipeout against the much more talented team that feels
like a super Bowl team. And this is this is
if you are someone that has and this is me

(20:50):
like seeds of distrust for the overall Dallas journey. Like
great team, good roster, They're gonna find a way to
fall apart. Like this is a very concerning Sunday for fans.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
Dig Losing Digs is just is so big. I know
you guys hit on that, but that that's something you
can't come back from the Cardinals. I mean you can't
like get that player back. I uh, the Cardinals are
sneaky becoming the team of Cestio. I don't know if
you know this, Dan, don't say that.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
I just see they're having such a nice start.

Speaker 5 (21:19):
You put that bed you No, he's just enjoying the
Cardinal I know they've been surprised.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
I'm not doing what you don't verbalize it. I'm not
doing into anything like.

Speaker 5 (21:26):
I'm just seeing his heart of fletter.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
You know. I think the thing is like I think.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
They're one of these teams where it's like all off
season long, we think we know what they are and
they're completely different, and it's like kind of goes against
everything you think about. This whole concept of tanking in
the NFL. It's like, don't tell the twenty coaches and
seventy two players that that's the case.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
It was a good Sunday, and that's why I'm not
going to make too much of the Cowboys losing here,
and I'm not going to.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Go over the moon and say that the Cardinals are
a feel good tale. But for one that's fleast, it's.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah, very nice.

Speaker 12 (21:56):
This happened though, and that you're not erasing it, not you,
they are. They can't do it, won't do it. Dave
passed by the way, k MVP with that call and
a good one, all right.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Up next the you know the rare not so rare actually,
but two teams that were playoff teams a year ago
in a double wounded animal game zero and two O two.
And on top of that, it's the effing Chargers and Vikings,
the two weirdest teams in NFL history.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
You know it's gonna get funky, and it did.

Speaker 12 (22:27):
Thirty seconds, the seconds down to fifteen seconds, totally freaks.

Speaker 5 (22:36):
Tragic cousins to.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Pass to the end zone up in the arecepted, then
our scepted in the end zone.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Tenneth Murray, Oh the ball was up in the air
for an eternity. Ben Murray has the concentration to secure it.
That's Nieman who popped that up. Yeah, we could fade out.
Did she just fade out on Daniel Jeremiah?

Speaker 3 (23:04):
I like that, a nice hard fade out on the
We call him the other guy in the booth. It's untoward,
but that was Matt Muney Smith with the call KYSR.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
After Brandon Staley completely lost his marbles and gambled needlessly
on fourth down and lost, giving the Vikings a chance
to steal one yes interception Kirk Cousins after they make
a bit of an odd move. Greg and this game
in that sequence as well, converting the first down and

(23:39):
then not spiking while seemingly rushing into that.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Were they trying so hard to be what they are?

Speaker 13 (23:44):
In?

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (23:45):
You know not to mention Greg e the Justin Herbert
who was fabulous in this game. Finally, his big go
ahead touchdown actually goes through the cornerback's hands into his
receiver's hands for the touchdown. Just as weird as you
would expect a game like this to be. Final score
twenty eight twenty four Charger it.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
Was the most chargers of Vikings cornered animal game possible.
They each ended up with exactly four hundred and seventy
five yards. There was nothing to separate this except for
like a goofy Kirk Cousins as he we'll return to
the Brandon Staley fourth down because okay, I disagree.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
A little bit. Okay, I knew Greg would make that decision, but.

Speaker 5 (24:19):
Well, yeah, well, I mean you can't just judge the results.
But it was about who can kind of botch the
end of the game in some way more than the other.
And when TJ. Hockinson caught that ball for the Vikings
inside the red zone, where was it exactly? It was
at the six yard line. It was thirty five seconds

(24:41):
were left in the game, thirty five That snap went
off at twelve seconds. And there is something about Kirk,
and I put this a little on Kirk and the
offensive coordinator. You know, it's Kevin O'Connell where sometimes when
the bullets are flying and things are going crazy, he
fritzes out a little bit like you need you need

(25:02):
to have a plan at that point for what happens
if the ball goes into the middle of the field
and we pick up the first down. You need to
either be hurrying and have another play go off quickly,
which is what I'd prefer that don't waste the play spiking,
or you need to spike it because they went crazy.
They were discombobulated, and then he forces it into coverage.
It was a nice play, as that guy who he's

(25:24):
the draft guy here The name escapes me, but he
pointed out Nick Neeman. I mean, you have these guys.
Nick Neeman pops it up and Kenneth Murray makes the play,
and the defense, which had struggled all day, finally makes
something happen and they somehow get out of here and
maybe save Brandon Staley's job.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
I don't know. So here it is.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Here's the setup, fourth and one at his own twenty
four yard line. Gregie, Yes, they are up. They're winning
the football game. Correct, They're up by four. They're up
by four points.

Speaker 5 (25:56):
So the other Vikings need a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
With one minute and after the play goes through, one
forty seven to play, so they had the choice to
punt it away and again four point leads.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
So you need to surrender a touchdown to lose this
football game. Field goal.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
It's not a field goaler or anything like that. They
choose to go for it and Austin Eckler out again
in this game. Instead, they give the ball to Joshua Kelly,
who gets stuffed in the hole by Jonathan Bullard and
the Vikings get the ball. I mean, Greg explained to me,
what's the take other than wow, he's got some real stones,
because that doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
That doesn't matter. You gotta protect the team and protect
the players that you represent.

Speaker 5 (26:36):
Don't love to play call. I think it gives you
two chances to win the game either way. You have
to get them to you have to stop them either way.
Granted they're starting at the twenty five yard line, but
I think Staley's looking at his defense, which Bosa was
barely on the field. He was off and on, but
mostly off. Derwin James is off and injured at that point.

(26:58):
I know it only says twenty four for the Vikings,
but four hundred and seventy five yards twenty nine first downs.
The Vikings were moving the ball at will, punting the
ball away there. I feel like they're gonna get back
to the twenty five with enough time, and I know
they didn't have timeouts but I feel like they're gonna
get back in position and you just need a yard,
get a freaking yard. But the play call was bad

(27:21):
because Joshua Kelly went eleven rushes for twelve yards in
this game. They couldn't run the ball and they just
tried to do the same thing they did all game,
and I just want the ball on Justin Herbert's hand.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
There.

Speaker 5 (27:31):
They tried to run the ball three times in that sequence,
first and second out, and that's where I really think
they mismanaged. They charged the end of this game. Just
let Justin Herbert get a freaking first down and you
win the game. He's playing the best game I've ever
seen him play in my life. Instead they go run, run,
set up a third and nine or third and ten,
and he hits it for nine yards, of course because
he's justin freaking Herbert, and then you're a yard short

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and just in some way involve Herbert in that play.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
We're in the world of the butt push and like
the almost indefensible fourth and short quarterback sneak, and Herbert
is the size, the power, the everything to do it.
Kelly's last week, I thought he had problems last week.
Today you mentioned how ineffective he was. Uh, Kellen Moore
looked a little frazzled after that, I think for obvious reasons,
because you're gonna be the center point of conversation for

(28:18):
the next like seven.

Speaker 5 (28:20):
I mean it maybe could have lost his job if
they I think so too.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
It's possible. How about a direct snap on a punt?

Speaker 3 (28:26):
How about a little fake punt if we're gonna we're
feeling so or so ballsy here or I'm kicking it away.
But I understand now what we're dealing with now, Gregy.
And we should get to Herbert in a second, because
his numbers are out of this world, not to much
a Keenan Allen eighteen for two o five and he
threw a fifty yard touchdown.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Best all are crazy? Yeah? Is this not the game
of the week for NFLUS. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
I know, struggling with this one, Uh, Greggy, but I
lost my train of thought. I'm so I'm so pumped
up about this game you talk about Herbert.

Speaker 5 (28:56):
Herbert went forty for forty seven for four oh five
three touchdowns. Now the worst throw really out of forty seven,
I think he really only made maybe two bad throws
and one of them was could have been an interception,
and it went for the last touchdown that the Chargers
scored the go ahead to Josh Palmer, so he got
a little break there. But before that, it was maybe

(29:16):
the best game I've ever seen Herbert play because there
were four or five shots twenty plus down the field,
so it wasn't just dinking and duncan. But he was
so accurate and whatever Flores tried to do early on,
they were playing like super prevent. They were daring him
to dink and dunk, and he did it and Alan
that's why Alan went eighteen for two fifteen. But then
when they started cooking him up, he was making throws

(29:37):
against pressure and I just thought he showed everything that
you want out of an NFL quarterback in this game.
That was why I was frustrating. And he didn't have
the ball at the end there and you're handing it off.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
The Kellen Moore thing's working. I think it's working for
Keenan Allen.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
I mean the flexibility of like, if you're gonna give
us this, we'll take this instead today, and it's arrow
up on Herbert, Like I know, maybe Dan, you wanted
to be a little more fire up or I rate
in certain situations like, I mean, he's that's.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Exactly what I want. Well, that's whatever. Get irate.

Speaker 5 (30:09):
Technically, this is a fantastic game, but this would have
been This would have been the same story though, because
unless he had enough time, it would have been another
one where the offense, even though it dominated, didn't get
the first down when it needed to. This time, the
defense just made the play. I want to shout out,
who is it? Twoey Poloto? Their defensive tackle was dominating
this game, but it was kind of a pyrrhic victory,

(30:31):
as they would call it. Derwin James mri and his hamstring,
Mike Williams MRII on his knee. That one looked possibly serious.

Speaker 13 (30:39):
J C.

Speaker 5 (30:39):
Jackson was a healthy scratch. Oh that's weird.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
I mean, like still trouble.

Speaker 5 (30:45):
I don't really feel like, Okay, everything's fine, but it's
worse for the Vikings who are.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yeah, that was the point I meant to make, which
is like the fact that they went for it on
fourth and one at the twenty four tells you that
Brendan Staley, the defensive guy, is completely at a loss.
He trust the defense to get any stops at all.
And the thing, one of the things I love about
sports is how dumb they are. And we we're in
a new Arab sports where you know, the nerds have

(31:11):
taken over and it's great. The advanced analytics. We popped
the hood on the games, not just football, all different
sports in ways that we never did in the past.
But like at the end, it's funny how Justin Herbert
once again would have been the same storyline. If that
ball doesn't go through the cornerbacks hands.

Speaker 5 (31:27):
Everything right hinged on that happening, although everything would have
changed after that. I always like to play it.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Now you got the ballacy of the predetermined outcome.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
You're saying, you've got the vikings in that deep lake
of regression. Oh in three and one score games next
love it.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
I said it as a joke in Week one that
they would lose every one score game after winning every
single one last year in the regular season.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
We're eleven zero.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
I mean, if Kirk Cousins was ever going to become
a jet. We don't need to go deep on this one,
but it's setting up that way.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Save that for the Dan and Keith Hans's emergency, all right,
and yes, you know, you know, you know, Dan pounding
that table. I want an irate Justin Herbert. I got
a good quote from him, I got a good one.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
I'm sure it's I'm sure it's anything other than miltest.
Here we are, finally, we're after what a game he had.
It was a hard fought win, certainly not the way
we drew it up. Let's take a break and we
welcome in Nick Chuck. All right, we're back and it's
time for.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
The Sunday Try, presented by the first ever Toyota Grand Highlander.

Speaker 14 (32:33):
Hit it baby out of the Huddland to the line,
golf is gonna work out of the gun, Gibbs to
his left, third and goal. Lions leading by ten, looking
for more Golf takes, keeps it himself.

Speaker 5 (32:47):
Left side touched down.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Detroit lyons I see you sixteen, I see you now.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Just a little option there for Jared gofugh, oh my,
nobody saw that comment.

Speaker 7 (33:02):
Sure that man and Jared he could put him up
and down, and he made sure he put him up.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
And down into that in that school, Dan Miller and
Lomas Brown with the call wx quy t he could
put him up and he could put him down. We
sure know that.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Love Jared Goff. I love Jared Goff's career. What a
nice little like Zoni's in right now. Lead in the
Detroit Lines once more to a twenty to six victory
over the Atlanta Falcons at Ford Field, the ie bounce
back and formance for Detroit after an ugly week two
uh lost to the Seattle Seahawks. Let's now welcome him

(33:44):
in from Cleveland, Ohio or thereabouts, mister Beef himself, Nick Shook.

Speaker 15 (33:51):
Mister Beef is a new one, that one.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Yeah, actually I kind of thought I hit on something
with Soda Popenske from Punch Out once part time.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
I'd run with mister Beef. That could take you places.

Speaker 13 (34:00):
Yeah, but pick him up and put him down, I
think is in reference to his feet, Jared Goff can
pick him up and put him down faster than Lomas
Brown ever could.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
What you said, not known fleet to foot golf passer,
a pocket passer, but.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
Not a lot of leap there when he tried to
go into the stands.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yeah, but faster than than Lomas Brown to your.

Speaker 16 (34:20):
Points, definitely hit the weight room's.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Beefy anyways, Shook, Uh, it looks like the Lions. This
is a nice little performance for them.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
It seems like after yeah, all the all the hype
around the Chiefs win, crash back to earth and now
we're back to just bite knee caps off.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (34:38):
I got to give credit to the Lions fans who
did not let last week's loss deter them from showing
up at Ford Field and making it another raucous environment,
almost collegiate and how passionate these fans have.

Speaker 15 (34:49):
Yeah, I don't know about the blue masks.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
That's going to make that two I mean season. Yeah
that was bad.

Speaker 15 (34:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's kind of tough.

Speaker 13 (34:57):
But this was an interesting game because you know, so
this is it was an intriguing matchup. The Falcons are
two and oh what a surprise. Never thought Arthur Smith's
team might be here, and they played like a two
to zero team. In fact, they went to totoe with
the Lions for most of this game. It's just that
their offense never showed up. Statistically, it was similar. They
were both four for fourteen on third down, they each

(35:17):
had a turnover. Everything looked really similar, but the total
yards was like double in favor of Detroit, which goes
back to this Lions offense, which is humming for most
of the game. Jared Goff in complete command of this offense,
completely comfortable, knows how to execute, hitting a number of
different targets. The run game miss David Montgomery, but they
were still balanced enough to be able to move the
ball down the field. They struggled to convert in the

(35:37):
red zone, which is why that Reid option was so
sweet for the people in Detroit, because you know he
was saying I see you sixteen, Well sixteen was seeing
ninety three ninety three within being Khalayis Campbell making a
bad read on the read option there. It was satisfying
for them after failing earlier on the goal line and
really put this game away. I felt bad for the
Falcons because I thought they played hard enough to be
in this game. They just didn't get anything from the

(35:59):
offensive side of the ball. Not so much that it
was in Desmond Riders fault, It's just they never really
put anything together to allow him to get into a rhythm.
So good win for the Lions.

Speaker 15 (36:06):
What do you get back on.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
Track, I'm seeing the Falcons two point eight yards per play, abysmal.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Lions doubled that.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
It's kind of a red flag, or it is a
red flag, it's not kind of one that if you
essentially are a team that can gather your defense and
stop Atlanta on the ground and the previously mythologically unstoppable
Bejean Robinson with thirty three yards today, nothing else from anyone,
and then you're forced to take Desmond Radder and throw

(36:36):
the ball thirty eight times like that's the that's a
formula for disaster, and that's a that creates a lot
of suspicion around a team that you know, we could go.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
I felt very hopeful about.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
I'm seeing the same thing shook at the Meadowlands, where
there's a talented running back, but a quarterback that maybe
hasn't earned the trust or the you know, the the
opposing defense's respect.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Are they just up on the line?

Speaker 10 (36:58):
Is this?

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Are they got stack boxes all day in this game? Yeah?

Speaker 13 (37:01):
I mean, Detroit deserves credit for getting after them and
stuffing the run lanes. But it's also like Bijon didn't
get a ton of opportunities. A strange approach really, And
it also offers us kind of a look at the
two sides of desn Ridder because last week, you know,
they're playing Green Bay, and he authors this great comeback
and he makes a number of throws where I'm like, wow,
look at him.

Speaker 15 (37:17):
Maybe he is taking the next step forward.

Speaker 13 (37:19):
He just wasn't that guy this week, So why are
you having him throw it thirty eight times when you're
down ten points at most going into the fourth quarter.
It just felt like a poor approach for a team
that was pounding on the ground so successfully. But it's
hard to pound on the ground when you're averaging three
point three yards to carry with your lead back.

Speaker 15 (37:34):
So just a tough day for them offensively.

Speaker 13 (37:35):
Probably something where they can look back and say, we
should have done this, that and the other at different
times in these situations.

Speaker 15 (37:40):
Should have approached it differently and they'll be better for it.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Not everyone agrees, but are there Smith believes on ridd
because we're seeing it now a week after week he's
letting him throw the ball.

Speaker 5 (37:48):
I mean, he he's becoming a problem, But I I
am looking forward to watching this. But seeing Laporte to
go eight for eighty four, Yeah, it's yet another week
where it's like, hey, tight ends, rookie tight ends. They'd
ever matter except for Sam freaking Laporta week after week
he's six past eight catches.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Sam Laporta, here's a stat for you. He's eighteen catches,
the most by an NFL tight end through three games.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Keith Jackson for the Eagles at eighty eight.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Three time All Pro previously had the record with seventeen.
So he's off to a good start.

Speaker 15 (38:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (38:23):
He forty five of those yards came on one catch,
his first career touchdown pass, which I really enjoyed because
he scored in the broadcast, goes get that one for
the mantle, and just as he says that, Laporta trots
over the sideline and just drops the ball to Allo
picks it up. But you know what I love about
this Lions team, Guys, you know how we spent so
much time in the off season people were arguing about

(38:43):
positional value. You overpicked a lot of these guys in
the first two rounds. Terrible moves by Brad Holmes. All
those guys are making a difference. Brian Branch is making
a difference. Jack Campbell first career sack today, Sam Laporta
first career touchdown. Even Jamiir Gabbs, he's not a lead back,
but he's doing all right.

Speaker 15 (38:59):
This is a good group.

Speaker 13 (39:00):
You got to start to trust this front office. I
liked all their picks and I'd like to see them producing.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
So far, the whole team feels like and I mean organization,
feels like they're in sync right now.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
And they had it.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
They're missing about eight starters today. They lost a couple
offensive linemen during the game. They've been tough to withstand that.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
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All right, chook, let's talk about your Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Hit it second and fifteen.

Speaker 7 (39:30):
Watson under center with Ford in the backfield, fake handoffs down.

Speaker 17 (39:35):
The middle, Chris Cooper wide up and pour touchdown, and
Coop finally has that score with DeShawn Watson.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Chris Rose with the callur Buddy Sunday Nights here at
the NFL Network, filling in for Jim Donovan, the longtime
voice of the Browns, who is fighting a serious illness.
So best wishes to Jim Donovan and his family. Rose
filling in and Deshaun Watson hits Amari Cooper the exclamation
point on an easy win as the Brown steamroll the

(40:13):
Titans twenty seven to three.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Shooky.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
This is obviously a big win for Cleveland because you
get a good Watson performance, you get another great defensive
performance like Jim Schwartz's guys, and with Nick Chubb gone
for the year, all of a sudden, it doesn't seem
like everything is lost, because there's enough here for this
team to keep moving forward and succeed.

Speaker 13 (40:35):
Yeah, there was a paul over the city on Tuesday
after they lost Nick Chubb for the season. You know,
he's a beloved player here and everybody was pretty heartbroken
over the fact that they would have to proceed forward
without him. But really because he just is such a
great person to favorite, you know, son of Cleveland. So
for them to bounce back in the fashion that they
did on Sunday was really impressive because this is a
team that that could have carried over that heartbreaking loss

(40:56):
to Pittsburgh and the loss of Nick Chubb and just
laid down against the Titans team that's stout up front,
and they didn't. They prove that they were the better
defense among these two. They dominated Tennessee's offense. Derrick Henry
was a non factor twenty rushing yards on eleven carries,
his second least amount of rushing yards in the game.
The last time he did it also against the Browns,
so apparently they've got his number for whatever reason. Ryan

(41:16):
Tannehill was constantly under duress. Miles Garrett was a force
three and a half sacks. The front looks fantastic. I'm
ready to say at this point through three games, I
am ready to say that the Browns have an elite defense,
or at least an elite defensive front because of how
well they get a push up front. I mean, they
are just winning the battles up there, and it's helping
them win games. Because they scored ten points in this game,

(41:37):
and for a second I was like, that might be
enough to win. I mean, that's how good they're playing defensively.
Deshaun Watson had a good day, only six or six incompletions.
It doesn't look as good as the stats did. I'll
tell you that right now. When you go back and
watch this game, you'll be like, he really had this
game with how he played. But it was a step
in the right direction and the rushing attack. They put
it together well enough to replace Nick Chubb. It wasn't
anything remarkable but they did the job. Resounding victory for

(41:59):
a brown team that's going into a big one next
week against the Ravens.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
They used a lot of people in the ground game,
But I am with you that, like I'm trying to
remember a post Bill Belichick Browns team because they their
defense back then and we're talking the ninety early nineties remarkable,
first or second best in the league. Ninety four yards
you gave up today, Like that's essentially like competing against

(42:26):
like a drunk toddler in Madden.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
This is like, wait, the toddler's been drinking.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
Yeah, it's that dysfunctional of a situation. If you beat
someone down that hard.

Speaker 5 (42:35):
Oh, I always give my Butler's there's a way.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Bigger issue going on here. There's video game outcome.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
Sure, but the ninety four yards still stands out as
an achievement in that situation. But in this and to
see it, this team doing this, and it's like, oh,
finally Miles Garrett, who when he was the only guy
there in that front seven, was still doing it. It's
like you are surrounded not only by better talent than
you've had in your entire career, but like Jim Schwartz.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
The vaunted Assistant Coach of the Year.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
Award is he is the clear front runner, right, he
may be more head coach than Kevin Stefanski.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Mark, You're not even hiding it at it, No, I'm
just like, this is stuff.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
I think if you're a Browns fan, right, if you're
from Cleveland, like they always say, we're gonna play Browns football, Well,
no one, what has that been for the last twenty
five thirty years?

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Now? It was Nick Chubb that I agree with one
hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
But defense like this is like it's it lasts through
any season, any part of the year, winter, cold, ice, rain,
and it's like it's not going away.

Speaker 13 (43:33):
They have a great Yeah, mids Midwestern fans like to
pride themselves on, oh it's cold weather football. It's gonna
be smash mouth football, and the Browns have not been that,
and they are that at least on one side of
the ball right now. It's remarkable again to see a
team transform overnight from one year to the next. With
the defensive coordinator that's new and has received some additions
in the off season that fits how he wants to go,
you know, with a rotation up front and everything else

(43:54):
and just works so well, and the secondary has benefited tremendously.
Grant up but continues to have a great year. They
didn't even have Greg news today and they were still
locking it down on the outside.

Speaker 15 (44:02):
Just a really good performance.

Speaker 5 (44:03):
Well, when the Bengals had six first downs in Week one,
I said that very well could be the most dominant
defensive performance any team has all season. The Titans had
six first downs in this game, didn't crack one hundred
yard Shiocapatia the ringer at a good status success rate,
which isn't like a perfect stat but the best three
single game performances all season defensively. Number one Browns in

(44:26):
Week one, Number two Browns in Week three, Number three
Browns in Week two. I mean, that's outrageous. Wow, that's
why the Toddlers are so drunk.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Condone it, and it's a bigger play football.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
I don't, I don't condone it. I'm just saying, before
you play Madden, if you get him drunk, you're probably
gonna win.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
It's a great strategy from a certain if from.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
A cutthroat already got the authorities on the horn, Hey
real quick before we say goodbye, because I'm curious, Watson
his numbers are great.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
I think twenty eight of thirty three. What were you
seeing were there? I know there was one insane, hideous
play where he's falling backwards and threw the ball ten
yards back was scooped up for like a sixteen yard loss.
That was the viral moment.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Anything else that jumped out to you, like, why weren't
the numbers matching up with the eye test for you?

Speaker 13 (45:16):
Yeah, that was very Jamis Winston of him. I think
his internal clock is still not quite at the speed
it needs to be at. He's still just slightly slow,
but he is starting to speed up a little bit.
Watching him in the pocket, he always makes you a
little nervous, just because you're like, all right, deliver, get
to the next spot in your progression. Just not quite there,
but he's finding way to make it work. And especially
on the run, he was pretty good at getting out
of the pocket and finding guys downfield. And it just

(45:37):
seems so effortless in the second half of them, I mean,
they were just completing passes. Tennessee gave him a few
breaks with penalties. So you're gonna look back at this
and say, that doesn't look like a near three hundred
yard performance, but he also got robbed of what should
have been a touchdown pass to Amari Cooper because he
caught the ball in the sideline. He was a foot
inbounds and was ruled out of boundary. Well that was absurd,
shy of the end zone, So you know, give or take,
that was absurd.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
Oh, because I was watching exactly on Habits like this
is it's just like an officiating breakdown.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Yeah, Titans are a good It's so funny.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
It was like welcome back, that's all that was, like,
we should not have those officiating gaps.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Should not be happening to any of the thirty two teams.
So you're the.

Speaker 5 (46:17):
Chargers, Like if the Chargers had lost this week, maybe
the number one reason why Brandon Staley should be in
trouble is look at what the Titans have done when
they haven't played the Chargers. They've gotten about one hundred
yards a game. I haven't scored a deck.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Point by you, shookey.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Always a pleasure, get some good pumps in, spend some
great time with your fiance.

Speaker 15 (46:38):
Yeah, she's in California for three months, so I'm here
by myself.

Speaker 5 (46:41):
But but you've been flying out there you know, yeah.

Speaker 15 (46:44):
Yeah, we'll have another trip planned yourself.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
All that rage pumping he's doing with the with the
girl out in California, you know what I mean in
the gym, in the gym, all right, Chuck, bye bye,
buddy crazy until next week.

Speaker 15 (46:56):
Let's see you guys.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Rage pumping.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
I am rage pumping because we're heading over to the
Swampson Jersey.

Speaker 7 (47:03):
You have the final play this game for the coming
one second left Ballby snapped on the forty six bar hashmark.
Three receivers wide the right wand of the left for
the Patriots, and I mean deep at the five. I'm
sure the pulls up, steps up, steps up. He lost
a high throat towards the end zone. That ball will
come down in the crowd.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
It's better way nearly cut by coming and go line.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
It's in complaint and the Patriots winning.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
My god, hey, at least by Wilson man two yards
deep and allows for the deflection and the potential catch.
And boy did they almost get it.

Speaker 18 (47:44):
It's city, New York City.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
I'm so cheez, got so leg city. Carlson wb Z.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Mac Jones threw a touchdown past the Pharaoh Brown, who
I don't know tight end Matt Schudon had a late
safety and a desperation hail Mary heave by Zach Wilson
just missed the hands of Randall Cobb. The Patriots extend
their winning streak over the Jets of fifteen games with
a grizzly fifteen to ten win on a rainy Sunday

(48:27):
at the Metal Ends. It's it's interesting, Gregy, how it's
different now, Like fifteen games is fifteen games I think
twenty one out of twenty three. But it used to
be the Patriots with Brady would just outclass the Jets
and kind of humble them and whatever. You would think
they were ready to reach higher, you just knock them

(48:47):
down with some like twenty five thirty.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Five point loss in the solid era.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
It's now competitive, but it is the Patriots that always
make kind of one more play, and you're seeing these
games are kind of more the norm.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
So fifteen to ten and you know, here's this is
what we thought was gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
And then when I saw it was gonna be a
weather game, it was like first thing I did, for instance,
I get Garrett Wilson out of my fantasy lineup. You
knew it was gonna be bad, but I thought even
by Zach Wilson's standards, it was worse than usual. And
you saw two notable people turn on Zach Wilson in
real time in this game. Once Tony Romo, who has
always been mostly supportive of Wilson, but repeatedly called out

(49:34):
when the line wasn't breaking down around Wilson, just not
seeing it, just like we've been talking about with justin
fields where they freeze it. There's Garrett Wilson crossing over
the middle, but he waits an extra two beats and
by the time he reacts, he's either getting thrown down
to the ground or he's throwing the ball Garret Wilson
in the flat for a two yard loss or an incompletion.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
And you just saw that over and over again.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
So the Jets who sent Dwayne Brown to IR and
kick McKay Beckton over to the left tackle and shift
to two other guys around too, move Vera Tucker to
right tackle to musical chairs, and I thought it was
very notable, Gregy that this game, where the Jets, especially
in the second half, really tightened up on defense, gave
that offense two chances to either tie or win the

(50:17):
game late, and that's not even counting the possession with
the hell Mary and on the mat Judon sack. That
really was the game. It was Judon beating McKay Beckton
a lottery pick from Joe Douglas and then sacking Zach
Wilson another high miss from Joe Douglas and I'm just

(50:39):
starting to as a Jet fan, this is the week
for me. And maybe it's the Patriots that add a
little bit more gravitas to things and make it just
more dramatic where I'm just starting to lose a little
bit of faith in the operation when you hear this
from Robert Saw after the game talking about Zach Wilson
and whether he'll continue to be their starter.

Speaker 16 (51:00):
Right now, Zach is the best player in the m
He's who gives us the best chance to win. Well,
you know, so that's basically that that would be the
cleanest answer I could give you.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
See, I had not actually heard that I read this quote.
Here's my question to you, Greg, is that Sala subtly
letting everyone know that Tim Boyle, with no real experience
and not a guy that I believe in, is my
only other option and my GM won't take the l
on this guy and bring someone else in. Or is
Sala's head in the sand and not willing to give

(51:35):
up on Zach Wilson, who clearly is not gonna do
it at this level.

Speaker 5 (51:38):
Well, I think it's in between, because I'm I'm gonna
give Sally the benefit of the doubt that him and
Douglas both believed in Wilson throughout this offseason. I don't
think they were faking that. I think it's Robert Salas
searching for the perfect words that he can couch what
he wants to say, which is that, yeah, he's the

(51:59):
best option have. It's not about Joe Douglas, but I
think he's would be very open to having another option.
Like I don't doubt that Wilson is maybe better than
Tim Boyle, although who knows. But I would say that
he needs another option, And I think he's couching. He's
trying to say it in a way that like is
leaving that open. He's not trying to be too encouraging

(52:21):
in that spot.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Yeah, I'm with you.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
I mean I think number one this was sort of
this has become a perfect storm of problems for the offense,
like you're going up against a Bill Belichick run team
that has beaten down Zach Wilson. The Jets in general,
they've lost fifteen straight games to the Patriots that haven't
scored more than seventeen points.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Only once they even scored seventeen.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
So it's a particular matchup inside your division that no
matter who's been in there, it's unsuccessful the offense. I
was coming into work today and seeing the offensive line
changes that they were gonna go to. It's like, I
hate that in this particular matchup against the Patriots, Like
if you even said we're gonna lose Dwayne Brown, we'll
find when we to plug one person in and keep

(53:00):
the rest of it consistent. It wasn't a great line
before that, but then it's like we've all had that
experience when you're I can think of this happened at
a work summit a couple of years ago, where someone
gets up to deliver a speech, good person, you're rooting
for them, and they they go completely dark. They can't
do it, and they're stumbling in front of two to
three hundred people in this case as a whole nation.
That's how I feel watching Zach Wilson it's like, I'm

(53:23):
not rooting against him, I'm rooting for the Jets after
hard knocks, I'm rooting for these Jets fans in general.
It's like Zach Wilson is the perfect problem that if
you removed and replaced him with almost and I would
give I give Boil a shot, Like I don't know
what they're doing. I just like there seems to be this.
We can all see it. And then you get Sala
having to say that there's a blind spot, and it's

(53:44):
so frustrating. It's like, you can find another quarterback, You've
got a great defense and a good roster, and you
sit on the precipice of dividing this locker room and
cracking it.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Like an egg.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
And the Boobirds reached the metal ends at fourteen oh
two to play in the second quarter. That is only
going to inten fi and last year, this isn't a projection,
this is we already saw it happen with the exact
same corps roster and the exact same quarterback. There was
a revolt within that locker room that forced Robert Solid

(54:15):
to turn to Mike White. But there's no Mike White. Now,
there's no Joe Flacco.

Speaker 5 (54:19):
Now there could be Josh Johnson, for instance, who was
on that team.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
It's overdue. It's overdue.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
I just think, and I said this throughout the summer,
that it was never comfortable with Wilson is number two.
And I think we're now three weeks after the events
of Monday Night Football with Aaron Rodgers. The fact that
the only thing they've done is checking to see if
Chad Henny wanted to come out of retirement is indefensible.
And the fact that Jet fans are furious right now

(54:48):
because we're sick of watching the same thing with with
Wilson and seeing him flame out. They had, like I said,
two possessions once they they had one drive, an eighty
six yard touchdown driving the fourth quarter to make this
game to pull within three. They had two possessions after
that where they could have either tied or won the game,
and both times Wilson cratered. And I'm just I think

(55:08):
Jets fans are sick of hearing because we've been dealing
with for two years now, two and a half years
are going on now of knowing this guy isn't the guy,
So why can't the organization see that? And the thing
that gets me mad. And the first time I've ever
had doubts about Joe Douglas is because it's his guy.
And I've talked to people that know Douglas that was
his pick, his baby, and I think there's a bit

(55:29):
of stubbornness here of them not willing to take the
L that is haunting this team. And it sounds like
we're gonna run back Zack Wilson against the Chiefs on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Night and in New York.

Speaker 5 (55:39):
I hate.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
I don't like that such Oh.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Just imagine, and the Rogers injury continues to compound. I
knew it was gonna be miserable, but as the weeks pass.
Week one ruined by Rogers, Week two trip to Dallas
ruined because now Rogers isn't there. Week three, Pat's revenge,
week ruined because Zack Wilson is the quarterback again. Week four,
our return to Sunday night football for the first time
in over a decade run because we're gonna face Pat

(56:02):
Mahomes with damn Zach Wilson as QB, and nobody's taking
them out of the game because nobody wants to take
the L.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Take the L. Joe Douglass.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
I mean, look, wait, like we just talked about the
praise the Browns get for holding the Titans to one
hundred hundred yards in the game. They had ten yards
passing the Jets in the first half. This is a
great Patriots defense. It's very good, Like we saw that
against the Dolphins. They're very competent, especially against this opponent,
but every opponent is going to look competent against Zach Wilson.
It's like this is going to explode on Monday night,

(56:32):
on Sunday Night football. It is going to explode Sunday night.

Speaker 5 (56:34):
I mean, the Patriots defense is good, but they also
were missing three of their top four corner wrecks, Jack Jones,
Marcus Jones, and Jonathan Jones. They hit the Jones trifecta.
Their offensive line is a total mess. And this game
shouldn't have been just you know, numbers wise, as close
as it was. At one point it was two hundred
and six, at halftime was two hundred and sixty yards

(56:55):
to thirty nine. At what point it was one hundred
and eighty to six. So the Patriots started miss moving
the ball and in very twenty twenty three and really
post Brady Patriots. They're a sloppy, kind of undisciplined team
who makes a lot of mistakes, and right now they're
not very good on the offensive line, but they were
allowing the Jets to stay in the game. And the
Jets defense is so good. They're making plays in big spots,

(57:16):
and that Zach Wilson just keeps getting chance after a
chance like this shouldn't have even been a position where
he has a chance to go to for a hail
Maryriorg some pat stuff.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
I think Christian Gonzalez, he's announcing himself as a study.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
He shut down Tyreek Hill last week.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
Garrett Wilson was rarely I mentioned he was opening some
crossing patterns and the quarterback was late, but he was
covered very well by Christian Gonzales in this game.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Also, Zeke Elliott getting a lot of work in this game.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Romandra Stevenson hasn't done a lot in the first three weeks,
and now Zeke kind of split carries with him in
this game. I don't know if maybe Stevenson was banged up.
We have to see what that potentially means. And this
is also now the third straight week and we talked
about him earlier this week, and I just want to
see more Damil Cook not making anybody miss. But Resall's
not make anybody mess either right now because the offensive
line is such a mess. But uh yeah, I'm starting

(58:05):
to have my doubts about the brain trust. And I
just don't know if Sala is also hypnotized by this
idea of Zach Wilson being salvaged or he's trapped on
the ship as well.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
I don't know. He's a defensive guy, got to be
going crazy. I think he's trapped either way. It's a
very tough situation. All right, let us move on.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
We were talking up, we were talking up the commanders
as a potential team of ATM well with a caveat
with a caveat.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Wanted to see how this went. Wanted to see how
this went. He didn't go well, This didn't go well,
not at all. Spoiler not great, Bob.

Speaker 19 (58:40):
Two receivers to the right too, to the left, howling
the shotgun Gibson next to him in the backfield. Here's
the snap five step drop rolling to his left, gonna
step up in the pocket and it's.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Picked off lockers.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
It brought to the five talks down Buffalo, Hey J
Appanessa with.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
The fifth takeaway of the day, and this one goes
for a pick six.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
Whoa Chris Brown, a little Rick Claire w t Har
Good job by you, yes, aj Epinenza, Is that how
you say it? Eessa Epanessa with the pick six, one
of four interceptions Sam Hell threw to Buffalo Bills defenders
and the Bills.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Eric Roberts behind the glass, Eric are.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Feeling no pain. In these last two weeks thirty seven
to three. They routed the previously undefeated Commanders. Mark Here's
a quote from Michael High. It looks like I didn't
even play today, all white jersey, not even dirty. The
guys up front were getting after the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
It was just awesome to see.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Not even dirty on a day where it was pouring
rain during for the game, not even muddy. It's like
you didn't even touch the ground. Mike hyd A couple
plays huge plays in this. It was you know, it's
like Sam Howell's been frisky, fun to watch, and like,
I think that's why we had the conversation we did
about the Commanders.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
It's like there might be something, I mean, likely, conversation
needs to be had. Likely or the floor is gonna
fall out at some point when you're playing a Bills
team that you know, we thought of they are.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
Is there too much pressure here? Are they have the
Has the window closed a little bit too much? Are
they not really the cream of the crop in the AFC.
It's like and all we talk about is Josh Allen
and the offense, and they were fine today.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
They were great. Stephan Diggs had a huge game.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
The defense, and it's the defense to me, is looking
as good as it's ever looked under Sean McDermott. It
is just absolutely generating total chaos. Five turnovers, nine sacks,
You allowed three points, the commander's drive chart, interception punt downs, interception, interception,
punt fumble, interception, punt field goal, wacky little field goal at.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
The end, you prevent the shutout. This was a dominant performance.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
Two weeks in a row, we've seen Josh Allen, I
think re enter that world where he just looked completely
in command, and you know, I think you just they
broke They broke the commanders early. If I said to
Greg and he didn't, you didn't know where this was
in the game, but he hit Gabe Davis on a
bomb early on where it was like there was probably
five six of the game to still go.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
I said, game over and then then how Will?

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
The Commanders started to climb back and like got deep
into Bill's territory.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
That why did I say?

Speaker 5 (01:01:29):
That's a g It was technically a two score game
entering the fourth quarter sixteen nothing, which is kind of wild.

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
Then they just exploded. But like, how Will really? How
really melted this game? He really melted, And it's like
it was a systemic disaster.

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
For why that doesn't surprise me, just because he just
is a guy who's gonna try to keep making plays
and like if it keeps getting worse, he's gonna keep trying.
And sacks are a bit of a quarterback stat or
they are a quarterbacks that nine sacks, like that's partly
on him, But it is crazy when you just look
fifteen quarterback hits for the Bills. That is a crooked number.
And then over on the other side, young and sweaty

(01:02:05):
one qb hit, no sacks. Almost a Golston in.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Washington still trying to make Gholston the thing all these years.

Speaker 5 (01:02:12):
It is officially when you have no.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
One other person says Golston, then you know, maybe becomes
a thing, but it's still just you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
It's just but it's my thing. I know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
It's like ir Boomerang hanging in that scene. No, that's
is it different? I feel like that's that kind of heat.
I think West and I created that literally a decade ago,
and I've heard no one myself our show.

Speaker 5 (01:02:32):
But I think I started Holden and I'm not getting
any royalties for that. I don't even talk about it.
So do you think you're I think I started a
mulligan essentially on Golston. It's never taken off because Holden's
Golden is great.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Holden has become the part of the life.

Speaker 5 (01:02:47):
If Golston wasn't a jet who the Patriots had tried
to trade up for but they then they were snagged
or whatever the Jets, you wouldn't have a problem with it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Yeah, But also, I.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
Don't think you have ever made it that name if
he was If he was wasn't a jet, babe. Maybe,
So it's just the masshole within you just pouring.

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
I guess at this point it is time to let go.
I'm gonna let me just say, I'm gonna promise, yes,
Balston is dad. We're gonna think of a new guy.
We're gonna think of a new name, and I'm gonna try.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
To make that someone's gotta be that bad though.

Speaker 5 (01:03:20):
Yeah, it's kind of mean to.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Ron Paige, Jonathan Allen, mates, sweat, Chase Young, Everything's gonna
kind of roll through them if if Washington's actually gonna
have a chance the season to go to the playoffs. Uh,
no sacks and thirty two past attempts by Josh Allen
and like you said, uh, it's it's a QB stat
as well. And Josh Allen again after a miserable Week
one in primetime, has bounced back with two very good games.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
I really also think that like James Cook.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
Uh, we talked about his brother Dalvin, but James Cook
makes a real difference in this offense. They've never really
had that consistent goal. And it's three games in a
row where he looks uh superb.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
All Right, Bill's roll. Let's move to Embo field where
the Packers we're looking to make magic.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
They did line of scrimmage, twenty eight yard line of
Green Bay. Man, he's gonna want it spotted down to
the thirty six yard line. Left hash forty six yard field,
go to ten Zach Wood, I'm a snap Lou Headley down.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
On one knee. Do I trust a guy named Blake?
Groupie Blake not a good name, not a ton to
get New Orleans of the lead. Here's the snap placement.
Kick is up end over ran, It is no good
good under is your dagger?

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Oh my goodness, Julilation here at Green Bay, come on,
big funk celebrate baby behind the glass.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Seconds ago, New Orleans has one time out left. What
a fourth quarter by the Green Bay Packers? Wow? Hello, Hey?
Can I get Big Funks music for this?

Speaker 9 (01:04:55):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
I think I love that Randy Chavez real deal Packers,
Oh for sure, So let's give it to him. Play
Groupie forty six yards wide right with one o five
to play, and Jordan love rallies the Packers from a
seventeen point fourth quarter deficit. What to an eighteen to

(01:05:18):
seventeen win? A big what week?

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Sorry?

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
I think the podcast title what Slammer question marks slammer
week three week cap.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
I just feel like it's that's the other word of
the day. We're heading in playoffs territory.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
This game could not have started worse for the Packers,
who were shut out through through three quarters. And then
four minutes into the fourth quarter, and then they score
eighteen points in the final eleventh minute to win their
eleventh consecutive home opener, and big Funk knowses they played
like hot garbage for three quarter. They were penalized like mad,

(01:06:02):
They repeatedly failed on fourth downs. Jordan Love had a
terrible interception early in the third quarter, and it just
felt like this was not only going to be a
loss for the Packers, but like one of those games
where you're starting to think, ooh, is this maybe gonna
be a long season for Green Bay? Missing again, Christian Watson,

(01:06:24):
Aaron Jones, who actually worked out on the field before
the game, but then was a scratch, Missing multiple players,
key players.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Actiari was out again.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Baktari out once again, even though he's playing on grass
not today. Everything changed, Everything changed in this game when
Derek Carr gets slammed to the turf shoulder first, and
you knew as soon as he hit the turf the way,
you know, that's those certain type of hits a quarterback
gets where he gets grabbed in the pocket and then
whipped down to the ground and landed right on his shoulder,

(01:06:54):
And sure enough, Ian Rappaport's reporting after the game, he
left the game, He goes to the tent, then goes
back and we don't see him again. And according to
rap Sheet, he seems to avoided a more serious injury
than originally expect expected. According to rap Sheet, but he
could miss some time, but potentially weeks. When he plays

(01:07:15):
will be determined by the swelling and how he gains mobility.
When they're saying things like we think he'll be back
this year, buckle up because it's Jameis Winston. Time Winston,
they go three and out three times in a row
before he takes them into field goal range, and then
the kicker doesn't help them out. So you have Winston,
who's at least an experience back up here. But everything

(01:07:36):
kind of fell apart here for the Saints. The defense,
which had been so good really for the first three
weeks and again three quarters, all of a sudden he
couldn't stop a nosebleed and the offense was not able
to get those the last three points there that would
have saved a disaster.

Speaker 5 (01:07:53):
Could not be a more disappointing loss if you're a
Saints fan. Because of what you said, I think there
was a feeling and there's a belief that this could
be a special Saints defense. And as much as it's
terrible to lose car in the fourth quarter, you give
up an eighty two yard drive, but then you stop
him on fourth down and you think, Okay, that's probably
gonna end the game. Then you give up a field
goal drive, you give up a touchdown on a short

(01:08:15):
field after a turnover, and then you give up the
eighty yard touchdown drive. So there's something about this Jordan
Love group that they're winning games without Watson and Jones
and Baktiari and they're making comebacks. I mean, I think
a team can get a personality. And I know they
gave up the big lead a week ago, but I
do think a team can get a personality when they
start having games like this early in the season and

(01:08:36):
believing that they can win any type of game.

Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
Yeah, Like, I think I think it if they're like again,
if there's a benefit to having some of these guys out.
It's like the Jayden Reids of the world, the Romeo Dobs,
Like they're developing and growing and you kind of see
this Offen screing together. One thing is like the Aaron Jones.
Thing I think is steiny them two weeks in a row.
He was so explosive when he was on the field.
It's like they have if you take thirty nine yards
away from Jordan Love and that's a big part of

(01:08:59):
his game. And I love that about Jordan Love. Like
him on the ground has been a factor. But they're
a mess on the ground otherwise and that does not
work for this offense.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
And it's time. I mean, the Packers came very close
to get into three and oh here and they've survived.
I mean this game, like I said, I mentioned Watson,
we mentioned back to our, I mentioned Jones. Also without
JayR Alexander, Elton Jenkins on the line.

Speaker 5 (01:09:21):
This is crazy that they just saw their best players
other than Rashan Gary, who had three sacks. I saw
in four quarterback hits. He's a great ball player.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Yeah, they they have to get healthy and it's like,
do they have the week five by That would be tremendous.
I don't know if they do, but this is a
loss that that will will haunt them potentially, because you
know this is the type of game potential playoff ramifications
down the line. Two teams can't let this one get away.

Speaker 5 (01:09:46):
I kind of like it though, just because I feel
like I like both of these teams. Being two and one,
Saints didn't totally feel like a three and zho team.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
And now the Saints are going to get Allen Kamara
back next week and hopefully the Packers get their dudes.

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
Man Green Bay plays also the thirs night against Detroit,
so it's at a break.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Another great week by the way for Chris Alave greg.

Speaker 5 (01:10:07):
One O four Offensive Player of the Year. He's so smooth, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
On track booth so good and uh, you know, Michael
Thomas again, he's staying on the field. So far, so
good as a nice second banana, but a labbe is
the dude on this offense?

Speaker 5 (01:10:19):
How much for trading Jamis? By the way, I guess
you need Jamis? Yeah, I think you need him to
do better.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Well also, yeah, you might find out you don't want
to trade bricks for everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
All right, let's take a break and we'll continue on.
All right, we're back Texans Jaguars. Easy dub for Jacks, right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Right, Brandon McManus.

Speaker 4 (01:10:39):
We'll kick off from left to right with Mike Boone
back deep one yard deep at the end zone.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Last time he let it bounce, and this is going
to be inside the ten.

Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
Don't get in the way.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Full up Beck, Beck still going. Beck has some He's
going to turn the corner. He's at the fifty's the
Jackson Bill bet thirty. That's what the fifteen ten five?
Are you kidding? Rock and roll touchdown was instead? My god,

(01:11:13):
what what?

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
What?

Speaker 11 (01:11:14):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
I love that these announcers have no idea. They're in
a five minut booth. All of a sudden, the.

Speaker 14 (01:11:19):
Earth started shaking in North Florida and he ran on
the right size into that crowd the end zone.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
The up back.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
Wow, Andrew Beck, the two hundred and fifty five pounds
full back. He became the heaviest player. This is a
great stat from the AP. The heaviest player in NFL
history to return to kickoff for a touchdown.

Speaker 5 (01:11:40):
That is a great stat.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Here's pretty fine. I does want to find that out.

Speaker 5 (01:11:44):
He's pretty fast.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
I'm gonna tell you one other quick stat like, yes,
he's the first full back, yes, since twenty sixteen, to
reach the vaunted twenty miles per hour mark, not twenty one,
but twenty though he had twenty full back first time.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
It's a job. It's a good job. I Beck.

Speaker 5 (01:11:59):
He also did a bad joy I'm stealing the kickoff
from the kickoff guy and then.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
Fumbled it like he ran right in front of him.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
Like, honestly, I know he's not the intended kickoff guy,
but after he does that, you might want to give.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Him an extra I'll try him out again anyway. Thirty
seven to seventeen. This is a weird week. The Texans
pound the Jaguars in Jacksonville. Weird wild stuff. Greg what, Yes,
I can't do that. That sound but anymore? Mark vander

(01:12:30):
what what?

Speaker 5 (01:12:32):
Mark marks Head's gotta exploded. I've only said it naturally
in this show. I'm not asking for it a lot
of what. I almost feel bad that we didn't give C. J.
Stroud in Tank Dell the highlight just because Andy Beck
needs it, though yeah he needed it. But Stroud was
the big takeaway yet again. Four starting offensive lineman out
Larry Mutunsel didn't return, and Stroud was under pressure in

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this game, and yet he didn't take a single sack.
Sex are quarterbacks that he was making great reads and look,
the throw to Dell that really put this game away
was a sixty eight yard touchdown pass blown coverage. We've
seen too much of that from the Jaguars. Stroud's shown
he can deliver in that spot. But the bigger play
to me to Dell was early in this game. It

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was a statement of intent forty six yards into tight
coverage where Stroud makes the perfect read and that's just
a professional throw. He had some out routes in this game.
And I know it's just one game, but you just
watch these two quarterbacks, and for this one game, c J.
Stroud was definitely playing out playing Trevor Lawrence, who was
a little afraid to go deep and wasn't always making

(01:13:37):
the best decisions. And it wasn't like Trevor Lawrence was
a disaster, but Stroud was making up for what was
around him and Trevor Lawrence wasn't. And the Texans deserve
to win.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
You can take that S two score and stick it
where the sun does not exist. That's true. I forgot
about that whole thing.

Speaker 5 (01:13:51):
I mean, he just looks like a guy we talked
about the first three weeks like it doesn't matter what
the rookie, it doesn't matter what you do if you
have a good record quarterback. And now you're in Jacksonville
by twenty points.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
Yeah, this is a troubling performance by the Jaguars. And
you know, what did you see from Trevor Lawrence here?
I mean, I'm expecting him to take the leap this
year and this doesn't seem to point took.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
It last year.

Speaker 5 (01:14:17):
I think he was just okay, and I think he's
been okay for most of this season. The broadcast talked
about him just not seeing the field because mostly he's
just hitting short guys and they're punting. But it was
also kind of one of those everything that could go
wrong did go wrong in the first half. I just
want to go through their first half stats. I mean

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their first half drive, Ridley dropped a dime from Lawrence
that would have been a thirty yard touchdown, just beautiful throw.
Redly just totally drops it. Drops another one by the
way that would that kind of killed the drive. Later
in that next drive, third down, Travis etn trips over
Trevor Lawrence who kind of ran into him. That was
kind of antee law but just a bizarre way. Next drive,

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blocked field goal by Will Anderson, who also made an
impact on defense, but just a beautiful block where he
just leapt up in the air. That's weird. Then a
penalty on a fourth down conversion like a holding call,
they end up having a punt, and then they fumbled
away a catch. So I didn't come away thinking like, oh,
the Jaguars offense is cooked. It was just kind of
one of those weird games. The average gains in the

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offensive yardage was fairly close, and they just made a
lot of boneheaded mistakes. But I am concerned about the
Jags defense in general.

Speaker 4 (01:15:29):
Yeah, you're giving up thirty seven points to an information
offense that we thought might slow cook the entire season. Instead,
there were very much in this AFC South race. If
they're gonna play like this, I mean, and it makes
like the Jaguars loss last week to Kansas City like
all the more troubling because they came so close in
that one. And now you're one and two and we

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assumed they'd be three and zero and just running away
with this division.

Speaker 5 (01:15:51):
And the Texans are just finding players. To me, that's
what the seedon's all about. Tanked Del nice slot receiver.
He's not gonna go five for one to forty five often.
But I think a nice rookie slot receiver Nico Collins
exploded last week like they're they're finding players and instr.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Did Will Anderson that field goal?

Speaker 5 (01:16:06):
Yeah, yeah, that was. It was one of the best
field ball blocks I've seen a long time because he
just steamrolled the guy in front of him and his
vertical leap was just outrageous.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
It was not on the kicker.

Speaker 5 (01:16:15):
It was actually the first miss kick or block kick
of McManus's career. So it was I wasn't on the.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
Tough special teams day for Jess, very tough, very to.
I mean, you gave up a freaking kickoff return for
touchdown to a full back.

Speaker 5 (01:16:27):
And agnew, Oh that was on offense, but he is
their kick returner lost the fumble, So it was it
was just like an ugly, ugly game.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
Let's get out of the let's get out of the
theater of the bizarre, and you know, no more upsets.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
Enough upsets.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
So the Ravens at home will take care of business
and Bolts playing with their backup quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
All right, let's get this under control. So this again
a yard field.

Speaker 11 (01:16:49):
Goal from Matt Gay. It's between the hash marks. Roads
will snap it measuring the kick is Gay waiting on
the long step there it is play spat.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
The kick is on its way, it has the distance,
it's up. Oh my goodness, Oh my god, what a
r mad gay stroking the fifty three yarder in ot

(01:17:26):
in the house the Tucker Bill Is this the kicker corner? Oh,
we are in the club, baby, and deep in the club. Gay.
It's gay night in the Kicker club. Behind the velvet
ropes popping bottles.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
By the way, also hit another fifty three yarder in
a fifty four yarder in this game.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
And I thought justin Tucker was short on a box. Yes,
I want to talk about why I think that happens. Mark, Yeah,
Anthony richard and out with the concussion.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
We know Gardner Minshew is a very capable backup had
the Ravens not take care of business at home here.

Speaker 4 (01:17:58):
Well, number oneing Shane Stiken is like turning out to
be what we hoped and like Gardner Minshew was, I
think in this situation not a major downgrain from Richardson.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
I think we kind of felt that way going in.
He was very competent.

Speaker 4 (01:18:09):
The Ravens, though uncharacteristic to what Baltimore typically looks like,
they had some weird stuff going in this game. So
Gardner Minshew the one major error he made, he had
like a dan Orlovsky esque safety where he stepped out
of the back of the end zone tofee that made
it nineteen to sixteen late in the game, okay, And

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so the Ravens get the ball back with two ZHO
three left on the ensuing kickoff after the safety, and
it's like, here's your chance. You're up by three, convert
a first down or at least do what you can
to give the Colts in bad weather no chance back.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
They have the ball for twenty two seconds. The Colts
get the ball back.

Speaker 4 (01:18:48):
That's where you get Matt Gay's first fifty three or
field goal that ties at nineteen nineteen. All right, but
the Colts themselves did that so quickly that they left
fifty seven seconds on the clock. A second problem I
have here because Lamar Jackson opened up wonderfully five for five.
You only had seven completions in the first half, like
their offense was kind of hinky. And at one point,
now you're on this drive and you need to get

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into Justin Tucker's amazing range for a field goal. And
on let's see you here it was first and ten
on the Baltimore forty nine with twenty three seconds remaining.
Lamar Jackson starts rolling out. There's a lot of Colts pressure.
It's the third week in a row where the Colts
defensive line's playing well.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
It's a clear place for you throw the ball away.
You're not in a good situation.

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
It's raining, and instead of it, Lamar, like, you know,
assuming that he's got this escapability, which.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
He does, he doesn't escape. The Colts are all over him.

Speaker 4 (01:19:37):
He's being dragged to the ground and then at that
point tries to whip the ball, flinging out of bounds,
but it's ruled that his knee touches. So you're now
sitting at third and twenty and he hits Nelson Aguila
for eighteen yards. But then you're in this fourth and
two position where had you been smarter, you might have
gotten further up. That's why Justin Tucker is forced to
try to hit a sixty one yarder.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
That is like a foot short.

Speaker 5 (01:20:00):
He made it, though he thought it looked announcer stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
He did.

Speaker 5 (01:20:04):
First he thought it was Tucker Knight, and then suddenly
this guy who doesn't get a lot of credit. But oh,
by the way, hit a ton of big time kicks
to win the Super Bowl, gets the biggest contracted kicker history.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
And it's Matt Gay Knight. Hey.

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
Yeah, well, I think it would have been justin Tucker
Knight had they done a few things in the final
two minutes of that game.

Speaker 5 (01:20:25):
There, he thought he made it, though he was disappointed it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
It was right down the middle.

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
They can't see if it went in or not if
you're in front of it. But like, they are missing
so many guys.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
I like, I don't know it. They didn't have Justice
Hill or Gus Edwards at one point in this game.

Speaker 5 (01:20:38):
Their injury report was prepossibly Friday. It was seven starters.

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
Yeah, and I think like the ARLN Humphrey absence, Marcus Williams,
Like that's where some of the big players came for
the Colts. Pass I want to mention one wonder guy
before I passed off, Like Kyle Hamilton three sacks in
the first half. He tied the record for most sacks
in the game by defensive back in NFL history. Was
absolutely dominant tackles in the backfield. Batted passes created so

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many problems for the Colts. They have a potential star player.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
Hmm, annoying loss for the Ravens. You got to get
the three?

Speaker 5 (01:21:11):
And oh here, how about the first place Colts three
weeks into the season.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
All every week, fist every week this season. They've been
interesting to watch and for the most part successful. In fact,
the game they lost was the home game. They've won
both their road contests in this in that AFC South.
This Duck's gonna hunt.

Speaker 5 (01:21:31):
Pittman's a real player too. I think they've a slack
guy in Downs. Pittman having a nice contract year.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
Let's hope Anthony Richardson's on the field next week.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
It's signs are pointing toward him clearing concussion protocol and
you put him back on the line. But as much
as I like Minshew, the team gets dangerous and Jonathan
Taylor hypothetically returns.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
At some point. All right, let's keep moving. Uh all right?

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
Seriously though, enough time to restore order. Chiefs against Bears.
Wait a second, not just kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
It was in blood blat the third down goal to
go for the Chiefs with the three yard live Mahomes
looking right back of.

Speaker 20 (01:22:12):
The U zone, cut touchdown Kansas City for the forty
eight times finds Travis Kelcey nine yards deep in the
end zone and the Chiefs lead forty to nothing, three
touchdown passes.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
For Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
I'll tell you what that felt strangely important because the
game obviously is way out of hand.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
The Bears aren't even a real team right now.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
But yeah, Taylor Swift, Swift potentially the most famous woman
on the planet right now, flying to Kansas City. Oh yeah,
Travis Kelcey, if you're boat racing a team the way
the Chiefs are doing and you got te Swift up there,
better get Kelsey a TD in this game. And I
really think they were that last drive and Homes exited

(01:23:00):
shortly after. He's like, we're Kelsey's scoring here and then
we're done. Sure enough, Laye Gabert exit entered the game
shortly thereafter, and the Chiefs coast to a ridiculously easy
forty one to ten win over the Bears. Who again,
we've covered a lot of bad teams on this show.
We've covered teams that didn't win a game on this show.

(01:23:25):
But and I know it's the Chiefs and that's important
to point out, and the Chiefs that were hungry to
get right after a frustrating start to the season. But
the Bears just look like they're not even coached like
the Bears. And I know their defensive coordinator just stepped
away and he's no longer with the team, and ibra
Flus has his hands filled trying to figure out how
to get justin Field's going, which, by the way, they

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still haven't figured that out three weeks in.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
But there's just wide open prairie lands for these Chiefs receivers.
And in fact, if Juwan Taylor, who got benched again
by the way, their right tackle doesn't continually offside or
an illegal procedure by being too far off the line
of scrimmage, they would have scored another touchdown at the
end of the half on a completely uncovered Chiefs receiver

(01:24:10):
wandering into the end zone.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
That costs MBS a score. So the Chiefs make it
easy look easy, and the Bears have never looked more lost.

Speaker 5 (01:24:20):
Well, I think you can put it like, yes, it's
the Chiefs, but it's the twenty twenty three Chiefs who
had struggled in back to back weeks against defenses who've
had pretty bad days this season, you know, So you
can't put it on iber Flus, he's a defensive coach,
and his defensive coordinator left. There was some more reporting
about that that was something that he did in the building.

(01:24:42):
But they were dead last in every single possible defensive
category since the day eber Flues took over in twenty
twenty two, and they've put all their resources. There are
a lot of resources in their draft hauls in defense,
and so that being a failure is really reflected on Eber.

Speaker 4 (01:25:00):
I think they came in with an essentially on paper
non existent pass rush. I'm with you, Dan, they stand out.
It's it's the terrible week they had off the field too,
you know. I think on top of everything else that
we've talked about, you know that thieves robbers broke into
Soldier Field during the week and stole over one hundred
thousand dollars of loot.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
I don't sure what the loot was. It's like, you're
having a bad week, You're having a bad year.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
Bears and Mahomes has made a lot of defenses look
sorry in his brilliant career, but it never looked easier
than it did for Pat Mahomes in this game. His
his numbers are great for he played like three plus
quarters twenty four thirty three, two seventy two, three touchdowns,
no picks, wasn't sacked, pass rating one twenty seven. He
could have easily had five touchdown passes in the first

(01:25:44):
half in this game. One touchdown got called back half
yard line, like I said, Juwan Taylor got another one
waved off with an illegal procedure, and it was just like, man,
I don't know like you guys we were talking about
it in the newsroom, like I feel like I'm waking
up tomorrow, and if matt El Eberflus is fired, I
wouldn't be stunned just because the team I watched is

(01:26:07):
not competitive and doesn't seem like they're even listening to
coaching right now.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
That's just the way it seems.

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
It's it's the second week in a row where they're
spending the second half panning the Bears bench, and they
about a tangible kind of downbeat, low energy a week ago,
and like you saw it all over again, and I
Justin Fields, like I got hurt at one point in
this game for like the fifth time in like a year,
and like Justin Field's the passer who seemed to grow
at the end of last season. Obviously we saw we

(01:26:33):
could do on the ground. The ground thing's not happening
the same way, and he's not evolving well.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
And again he's also this is a team wide meltdown.
He throws a beautiful dime to DJ Moore, who is
supposed to be the guy now goes right through his hands.
You could not have thrown a better ball. That's like
a fifty yard game wiped away because his number one
wide out can't make a play. But otherwise he throws
from nder one hundred yards in this game, like we predicted,
he did run the ball more, but still not even

(01:26:59):
not even in the way that you would think, like
you you didn't see a game plan in my mind
where it was like they were going for something different
here they still and the final stats don't really tell
the story. It makes it look like they ran the
ball some success. There was just nothing there during the
game when this mattered and it was it was just
it was a grizzly bloodbath.

Speaker 5 (01:27:18):
Well you heard you saw some disturbing reports. If if
I was eber Fluse on Sunday morning, kind of like, actually,
we rally the troops and it brought us together and
there was high energy, and we had great practices. When
you hear the great practices, you know, it's it's it's trouble.
Like we feel really good about this going into the game,

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and then you come out and this shows up. And
I think Eubrafluse could lose his job Dan, but there's
no one to replace him on the roster because gets
he's been a bigger mess. You don't have a coordinator
and and so it it'd have to be outside. And
it's so early in the season for like the total
reset they play the Broncos next week. It's I just
feel like that would happen later. It's also an owner

(01:28:00):
ship group with that has you know that there's slow
to the draw. Yeah, there may be a little slow
of the draw older, and I think it's I actually
think it's a big thing for the Chiefs to put
a hurting on someone just to show that they can again,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
And not that I doubt it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
I know a lot of football fans are not even
interested in the tailor swift side of things and find
it annoying how many times they were cutting back to
the booth. But like, she exists in a very special
tier of celebrity right now, Like, there are very few

(01:28:32):
people in pop culture that have attained a level of
success and fame that she's at. Like if she is
actually dating Travis Kelcey, Now this is I'm not gonna
use the D word distraction, but it's a it's like
a it's a crazy thing. Like she is one of
the most if not the most famous woman in the
world right now, and now Travis Kelsey is going to

(01:28:53):
be dating her, and it's kind of just wild to
wrap your head around it, Like it's this is now
a think because she was at the game sitting next
to Kelsey's mom, uh, and the repeated cuts to her
and the and the photos from the social team in
the NFL.

Speaker 5 (01:29:07):
I mean you You've been a big time Swift fan
for as long as I've known you. So what are
your feelings? I know you haven't watched Catching Kelsey Wes
and Keisha's you know favorite show back in the day.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
They were the only two people that watch. Are you
happy with? Just like, what are you?

Speaker 5 (01:29:23):
What are your feelings? What are your feelings?

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
I think, yeah, I think he's a he's a good catch,
nailed it. I also think, uh, it probably feels pretty doomed.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
I don't know. It seems I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:29:35):
Really good girlfriend points for like the way she was
interacting with Donna Kelcey up in the little suite there.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
They seemed to be getting along for real. It seemed
real and organic to me. There's no way to talk
about what we're talking about. The name. No, but no,
there is not not on this show. No.

Speaker 5 (01:29:51):
I'm looking at some footage of her, her and Travis
leaving with like the chief's jacket wrapped around her rais.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
And asked this one question. Mark, answer this one question,
then we'll move on. Are they both having a light
dinner tonight?

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
I'd say certainly, yes, I believe it. Let's move on
for the first time, and they having a light dinner?
Absolutely not in my mind.

Speaker 9 (01:30:15):
On second down and goal now from the five, let's
leave it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
Don play fake.

Speaker 9 (01:30:19):
Gino's gonna throw it back at the end zone, reaching
up making the catch.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
It's in a touchdown. Agree to disagree? Do you disagree?

Speaker 5 (01:30:27):
Hard down Seahawks, We're still waiting.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
Yes, touchdowns Boks.

Speaker 20 (01:30:35):
Jake Bobo high throw.

Speaker 14 (01:30:38):
Back line of the end zone that took the official forever.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
Ye throw that official under the bus. I love it.
Who said, who said that cool names are gone? Who
said there are no more cool names? Jake Bobo?

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
Yeah, Baby, Steve Ray with the call k I r Oh.
The Seahawks were back at it on offense after a
tough Week one, big Week two, and now a big
Week three. They rushed for one hundred and forty six
yards on the ground. Gino Smith throws a touchdown, throws
are nearly three hundred, and the Seahawks roll thirty seven

(01:31:19):
to twenty seven over the Panthers greg ten point final.
This is a pretty close game throughout with Andy Dalton starting.

Speaker 5 (01:31:30):
For the rookie Yeah, and Andy Dalton I think gave
them a much better chance to win. He played well.
It just proves the infinite wisdom of the Dalton scale.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
I think the Dalton.

Speaker 5 (01:31:40):
Scale still exists. I think Andy Dalton is still the
perfect person for the Dalton line in twenty twenty three
because you throw him in there in a terrible situation
where he's has no running game and he's under pressure,
and he kept them in it for like three and
a half quarters only because he could deliver under pressure.
I think the numbers were crazy, with something like seventy
percent of plays he was pressured on, and their offensive

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line is terrible, and the Seahawks, who I don't think
of as like a rugged team, dominated both lines. Ken
Walker and Sharboney end up running through this Panthers defense
who had a lot of injuries, and the Seahawks defensive line,
as I mentioned, got after Dalton despite him putting up
three sixty one and two, and the Seahawks move on

(01:32:23):
with him when they better have gotten.

Speaker 4 (01:32:26):
Is there any world where like maybe you keep Dalton
in there for a while, or is it like, you know,
no matter what, we just need Thrice young to I mean,
I think it's the latter.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
But it's just like, oh, why would you don't you
want the rookie to develop? Oh but I do. I do,
But I think it just they they seem more competent.
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:32:42):
Yeah, So Thielan goes eleven and a touchdown. DJ Shark
had four for eighty six, including you know beautiful throw by.
Dalton really played quite well in this game under the circumstances.
I would say he outplayed Gino. I guess for most
of it. Gino had a couple turnover where he plays
early that got away with. Did have one interception, and
then he played really well in the second half and

(01:33:05):
they steamrolled. The injuries on both sides are though this outrageous.
It feels I know we probably say this every year,
but it really feels like more injuries this year. Both
of these teams are missing like eight or nine guys.
But here's who went out for Carolina just during this game.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
CG.

Speaker 5 (01:33:21):
Henderson, who had replaced J. C. Horn, Frankie Luvu, who's
been maybe their best player this year. Xavier Woods starting
safety Jonathan Mingo had concussion at receiver. The Seahawks at
one point lost the fourth of their fifth starting offensive lineman,
so they're playing without three starters. They actually got him
back later in the game, and Jaren Reid played well

(01:33:42):
in metcalf and I'm encouraged that they have a running
game ken Walker. Some of the moves when you see
it like he's a boomer bust runner. He's the definition
of it. But my god, the booms are outrageous. He
had about four runs.

Speaker 12 (01:33:53):
In this game that took my breath away, like Sharon too,
and Mark yeah, Mark and Greg yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
Zach carbonated what he did to Sam Franklin that was
on the goal line.

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
I'm sure if you want to get it like a detailed,
multiple angle look at it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
I have a good feeling, without consulting with the talent
or the producers, that that is the angry run of
Good Morning Football Monday telecast, that poor man Sam Franklin
got thrown five yards near the goal line, Like you
don't really you don't come back from that. That's kind
of it.

Speaker 5 (01:34:26):
Now I need to see the replay because I feel like,
I feel like he got up so quickly. I hadn't
heard of him either. I think he's like the backup
to the backup.

Speaker 1 (01:34:36):
He's I think he's gone.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
Remember in the old video games where the bad guy
would die and then he would just like disappear. Sure,
that's what happened to poor Sam Franklin.

Speaker 5 (01:34:50):
It's unfair because I think I got to watch it again.
But I think he might have done the thing where
he popped up and pretended to try to celebrate, almost
to throw the people off the set because it was
it wasn't a touchdown he did. He did go out
at like the one yard light, so he was like, yeah,
I stopped you.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
But Roberts and Chavez are all over this. We're going
to watch watch us on YouTube. We haven't seen it.
This is not fair and this is what you're talking
about watching the finish.

Speaker 21 (01:35:17):
No, Jesus Christ, give me a little Jonathan Jesus Christ,
just preach all he went not an exaggerations.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
Also like.

Speaker 4 (01:35:30):
His left leg and that it almost propels him even
farther away from the scene.

Speaker 3 (01:35:35):
That's Sam Franklin is probably the greatest high school athlete
that ever graced his particular school right and he was
just thrown seven feet seven yards and then evaporated.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
Not a high point, toughy anything else.

Speaker 5 (01:35:48):
I mean this, you know, was a courageous lock. That
Gino came through for me in the clutch.

Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
We see what you're doing.

Speaker 5 (01:35:55):
Thanks Gina for Jack.

Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
All right, well one more game. It's Sunday night football.
Canny run over ten yards is chunk now? This big
bootleg left.

Speaker 17 (01:36:08):
Goes from the end zone, touchdown Steelers pet Tyler Mooth his.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
Second of the year. Feels it sweet move it is
right there. What a great job. I'm telling you what.
That's a great corner route by the moon. No the
Mooth Bill Hillgrove with the call WV.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
Beautiful drive there led by Kenny Pickett uh the clinching
score for the Pittsburgh Steelers, who withstand a late comeback
attempt by the Raiders in a twenty three to eighteen
win in Vegas in a game attended forget about Taylor Swift.

Speaker 1 (01:36:52):
Carrie Underwood was in the truck.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
At NBC watching her own Sunday Night football team and
like bobbing her head.

Speaker 4 (01:37:00):
Well, that okay, a bona fide star. But I don't
even forget about Taylor Swift.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
You know who I want to forget about. And we're
gonna talk about the Steelers. Josh McDaniels.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
I can't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
I mean, and I imagine how Raiders fans feel. I mean,
what are we doing?

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
Like, what what are we trying to do?

Speaker 3 (01:37:22):
Okay, it's twenty three seven and they score a touchdown,
they get a two point conversion, it's twenty three to fifteen.

Speaker 1 (01:37:31):
It's an eight point game.

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
They get stopped what around the twenty five or so, Gregie,
and they bring out the field goal team and then
they kick the field goal. But wait, there's a penalty leverage.
Kind of a soft call. But whatever, absurd call I
didn't believe. I didn't agree with the first decision to
send out Daniel Carlson was fourth and six, you're down
by eight.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
It's in the second half.

Speaker 5 (01:37:54):
Of the fourth quarter, three point fifteen to go.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
They then get down inside the ten yard line. It's
fourth and four. You're down eight four yards six.

Speaker 6 (01:38:04):
Plus two equals eight, and you kick a field goal
because you're so confident all of a sudden in your
defense to get a stop and get the ball back,
which of course they don't because the football gods are
like up your nose of the rev a hose, I mean,
Josh McDaniels. That boggles the mind, like this is this
is an offensive guru who has like four hundred Super

(01:38:24):
Bowl rings.

Speaker 5 (01:38:25):
I'm surprised we didn't choose Daniel Carlson's twenty six yard
field goal as the highlight. It's a description sas mcdaniels's
favorite play. It's so insane, like make a monument to
cutting the lead to five, fash McDaniels, because in the
world that you're this confidence world that the two twenty
twenty three Raiders are going to get a three and out,

(01:38:48):
like you're you're making that bet. You're saying, the only
way we win this game is we're definitely getting a
three and out, and then we're definitely getting down the
field past the eight yard line where it would be
easier to score a touchdown. We're definitely gonna do all
that in two and a half minutes. The only way
that that even makes any sense is the same world
where you can be confident in that same defense to

(01:39:08):
get a three and out. I'm the Steelers inside the
ten yard line and give your sense have a chance
to make it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
What's happening?

Speaker 4 (01:39:15):
This is like a under Josh McDaniels. The Raiders are
an identity free offense beyond DeVante Adams, where other coaches
around the league have gotten more aggressive. This is how
he approaches the end of the game. We watched this
in a different place. I was sitting there.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
Baffled by this, like what are we doing?

Speaker 4 (01:39:33):
Because what is suggests number one that you're gonna get
out of a second drive without a Jimmy g interception
or turnover.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
He leads the league and picks they can't run the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:39:42):
Beyond DeVante Adams, you got nothing going on, and you're
gonna put yourself into a perilous situation like that. Josh
McDaniels he literally lowers my enjoyment of the game. I
was watching that being like this raid I am friends
with some Raiders fans or the texts are coming in
left and right on this group that and like they've lost.
They're just like, how how dull to the eyes? Can

(01:40:03):
the Raiders possibly be?

Speaker 5 (01:40:04):
What do they do?

Speaker 1 (01:40:05):
Well? What is their identity? But it's like dull to
the eye. Sure, but I'm saying, just a strategic standpoint,
there's nothing dull about twenty three fifteen, fourth down inside
the opponent's like five yard line with a chance to
potentially tie the game.

Speaker 5 (01:40:21):
I must have been fourth and seventeen, right, and then
you kick the field Oh no way, it's fourth and four,
say four.

Speaker 3 (01:40:26):
Yards, and you kick the field goal, and and you
know what, it wasn't just me, Greggie, I think you
felt the same way.

Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
Mark. I'm sure you felt the same way.

Speaker 3 (01:40:35):
When Matt Canada, to his credit, has the perfect play
call on that third down or second down to pick
up the first down, that effectively the end of it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
You know what, good take it, yep, Josh McDaniels, learn
from it, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:40:50):
But the clock's ticking, my friend, because I would imagine
I don't know what you guys think about Mark Davis
and his football acumen and his level of patience, but
that had to be a re annoying game to watch.
Is the owner as well watching the decision making those
made in crunch time.

Speaker 5 (01:41:04):
I mean, you've given Jacoby Meyers sixteen million dollars guaranteed
he's an incredible number two receiver. He's three times the
receiver that Juju Smith Schuster is, who got the same
amount of money from the Patriot.

Speaker 1 (01:41:18):
Rag was going through some things all I mean, sir,
it's the one.

Speaker 5 (01:41:22):
Receiver the Patriots have developed in the last fifteen years
and you let him walk away for Juju Smith Schuster.

Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
Toughy.

Speaker 5 (01:41:28):
Then that's on one side of the field, match up
against Levi Wallace and Patrick Peterson. On the other side
of the field, you have a first ballot Hall of
Famer who has one hundred and seventy two yards and
two touchdowns. How about we give one of those two
guys a chance to get five yards.

Speaker 1 (01:41:42):
Couldn't do it. Wouldn't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:44):
On the Steelers side, progress for offense and you needed that,
you needed something. I'm not saying they were over the
moon here with offense, they only have three hundred and
thirty three total yards. But like I said at the top,
that drive finishing with the fire move touchdown was really clinical.
It was it was you guys watched the games that

(01:42:07):
I didn't in preseason. I bet that's what it looked like.
That's what That's how they drew it up in preseason
and it finally looked like it now. Is that's something
they could build on. We'll see, because they're not a
finished product by any means. But for the first time,
as I'm watching, I'm like, Okay, you see it. You
can see how it could work.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
Yeah, I'll take it in streaks.

Speaker 4 (01:42:25):
I mean, they had a period in this game where
they scored on five of six drives and then they
kind of quiet at the end and that you know,
it's like you can't count on them the whole game.
But I just see guys like Calvin Austin, Jalen Warren,
George Pickens, and then Kenny Pickett in that stretch where
they were productive tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
I thought he threw the ball with confidence.

Speaker 4 (01:42:43):
It's like he was pretty well protected and like he
had one near terrible pick six on a throw to
Marcus Peters that didn't happen, so changed the game absolutely,
But like, but you got a better version of Kenny
Pickett tonight. It's They've been a mystery to me because man,
Matt Canada obviously like the subject of much higher I
I don't. I'm surprised he's still on the team, to

(01:43:03):
be honest. Uh, but there are a lot of there's
a lot of young talent, and you started to see
them get a little more creative and comfortable.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
So it's like you build off it.

Speaker 5 (01:43:10):
I mean it helps, you know, going against the Raiders
pretty limited pass rush outside of Max Crosby. Uh, but
I agree with you. They got into a rhythm. He
made some throws inside the pocket, which was nice to see,
not just scrambling, and you know they do have a
defense to rely on. Look TJ. Watt another couple of sacks.
He's up to six. This defensive Player of the Year race.

(01:43:31):
I hate people talking about races after week three, but
it is it is kind of a race.

Speaker 1 (01:43:36):
I feel like there is something hand once and for all.

Speaker 5 (01:43:40):
I think there is something here between him, Wat Garrett
especially and Parsons starting off the three of them like
a house on fire. Those are three truly great players
that are gonna have this race, and then they they
found someone else they have they always uncover these defensive
linemen Keanu Benton, who's more of a no tackle defensive tackle,

(01:44:01):
but getting up the field like he's had another couple
of good weeks here, and he took over that game
for a little bit in the second half.

Speaker 3 (01:44:07):
Set that's sack he had, he was in the backfield
in the blink of an eye. And the takedown of
Jimmy g all right, any other thoughts.

Speaker 5 (01:44:19):
Big win, Now, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:20):
I don't. I will not select when we do our drafts.

Speaker 4 (01:44:23):
I will not select a game involving the Raiders unless
I'm forced into it, and with the final pick.

Speaker 1 (01:44:29):
Again this season, I cannot. I have to do it. Well,
this is in self.

Speaker 5 (01:44:34):
Well, this is a primetime game and they have I
think four more mark so you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:44:38):
That's that's general. Why on earth were they given four
of these games? I mean, I know why.

Speaker 4 (01:44:43):
It's the Raiders. By the way, you're in Las Vegas
and your shiny new stadium. You guys didn't have sound
where you were like, it was essentially three Rivers.

Speaker 1 (01:44:53):
It was terrible. Towers left and right, I don't have
AirPod we in the.

Speaker 3 (01:45:00):
In the film room, which, by the way, I got
off a joke that got Steve Smith.

Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
In that place. Just turned back to Greg the row
behind me and just bang game the thumbs up. I saw.
I saw.

Speaker 3 (01:45:14):
That's why you're in the film room to get that
type of reaction from a Hall of Famer from Steve Smith.
And yes, the sound wasn't on in there, and there's
like fourteen guys sitting in there just listening, watching a
screen with no sound. And then I just my mind
was blown that everyone was just sitting in there in
total silence.

Speaker 4 (01:45:32):
Well that was my reactions. I don't have my air
pods with me. I'll bring him next week at the
place is going to be non functional. It's like I
was out of there smart right, right, didn't make it.
I didn't make Steve Smith laugh with my exit or entrance,
but uh, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:45:45):
It was a guffaw.

Speaker 5 (01:45:48):
I also got some good juju juju takes from him.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
I mean, leave it there, let him share those if
he chooses to. What was the What was the bit
I want to hear the juju much more? Was my bit?

Speaker 5 (01:46:03):
It was something about nothing a thumbs down is.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
Oh yeah, it just so happens that on a p
I call in the end zone, the defender for the
Steelers gave a thumbs down to the referee and I said,
you know, good, I think, I said, a good thumbs
down is kind.

Speaker 1 (01:46:21):
Of like underrated. You don't see it enough. And Smithy
went off with laughter, and I just turned back. I
look at Greg him the thumbs up. Yeah, as you should.

Speaker 3 (01:46:32):
I think that, you know, you know, in life, especially
as you get older, it's kind of like the little
things that you take joy in wherever you can find it,
little pockets of happiness.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
Good at, good at.

Speaker 3 (01:46:46):
By the way, I was off by one, you guys
reminded me that the eighteen game second year of the
eighteen game schedule, I thought this was this is the third, Yes,
so I think this was our set seventy fifth Sunday
flagship show in the regular seas. One hundred and seventy
fifth feels that way, one hundred and seventy five. Yeah,

(01:47:08):
that's because it is according to our conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:47:11):
All right, this is this is when you know it's on.
It's like Sunday night at nine pm. Give me a break,
all right, see you Monday night. Heed the call

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