2024 Week 14 Preview

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Whatever, It's fun. It makes me feel good. We've been
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm Greg Rosthal in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio with
Steve Weiss and Patrick Claybon, and you know we're getting
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Speaker 3 (00:46):
You gotta love that. You gotta love it. Tell me
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rap list is it like your workout playlist or what?
Because mine's like my workout playlist.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Yeah, because I'm not.

Speaker 5 (00:56):
I'm not listening to a whole lot of music, and
my commutes a very short now, so if I'm listening
to music, it's because I'm in the gym.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
I play a lot of music when I'm when I'm
at home, Like if you're watching a little tape. But
you got some music on if I'm in the car,
certainly I don't go all podcasts. You got some music,
so it's all my music, not really workout music. But
sometimes your son, you know, uses your account. And then
suddenly Imagine Dragons is like their number three band of
the year, and you're like, yes, come on, bro, yeah

(01:25):
it's better. It's not better than the kids' music. Yeah,
it's just it's killing Come on, Imagine Dragons, like just
killing it with eight to nine year old boys this
year after year. We're here for the Week fourteen preview.
Very excited about this one. It's our last week Patrick
with buys, so six byes this week. Your your Ravens

(01:49):
are finally off. My Patriots are finally left. So it's
a little bit of a lighter schedule.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:53):
The fantasy community bemoaning the fact that a lot of
people are dying to get in the playoffs and they're
gonna have to do it manage in waiver Meyer's folks,
starting Will Levis just just gotta try to make it
into the postseason in fake football. So let's go from
smallest to the biggest spread. We will start with a
huge game speaking to make it to the playoffs in

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the NFC West.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
It's the rematch from.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
A couple of weeks ago, the Seattle Seahawks at the
Arizona Cardinals two and a half point favorites. We saw
the Seahawks play poorly early greg and then come back
and win. Just the only airs the Seahawks team to
make were catastrophic errors against the Jets. They managed to
win because they played the Jets. The Arizona Cardinals played
a much better team wilted late against the Vikings.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
How do you see this one going?

Speaker 1 (02:39):
I lean towards the Cardinals because when you play two
games in three weeks again and they're both good teams,
it's really hard to sweep a team. If Jonathan Gannon
loses this matchup to the Mike McDonald like that to
me is almost like an early show of dominance, Like
this is a guy I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Be playing twice a year in theory for a while.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
To come out swinging, and you take out the other
defensive minded head coach twice in three weeks. It's the
biggest game of the week in terms of the playoffs.
If the Seahawks win, And this is according to FTN
in Aaron shots. If the Seahawks win, they have a
sixty two percent chance to make the playoffs. If they
lose the game, they have an eleven percent show And

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the spread is similar for the Cardinals. If you win,
their seventy one percent seventeen if they lose. And what
the math is saying there is, obviously, if the Seahawks
sweep the Cardinals, that's a huge advantage and probably there's
only one team getting out of this division more likely
than not.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
But if the.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Cardinals win, they have an easier schedule a little bit
down the stretch, and I think the numbers underlying kind
of show maybe they're a slightly better team than the Seahawks.
Will have to see who's playing their best at the
end of the season, because both their defenses are playing
right now.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Well right now, yeah, I mean, and you brought this
up yesterday on the show, Greg, Seattle's playing well at
the end of ball game, you know, and Arizona's been yeah,
you can go when it comes that. We saw that
last week against the Vikings. So the two and a
half numbers seems about right. I think this is going
to be a very competitive game. We'll see if your
guy Gino Ripcord, Gino, okay, balls out a little bit,

(04:12):
you know, but.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
What happens on quarterback island stays on quarterback island.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
We're good, We're good. You know.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
That's it's a it's a lot of pressure for Gino, right,
Kyler got booted off.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
I got booted, so he might be he might be
a little angry. But I like the Arizona Cars.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
And as far as the narrow margin of when you
play these games and sweeping it, that is a difficult thing.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
I said it a couple of weeks ago when I
initially picked the Seahawks to win at home, that we
would come to this game at this point and I
would take the home team Arizona Cardinals to win the
next one. I think these two teams are very very
similar in terms of their their overall potential to make
a push here late, and a lot of it is
based on the defensive improvement we've seen from Seattle and

(04:57):
over on the other side. Greg inspired me to delve
more in and to share my knowledge of the search
of the Arizona Cardinals. It's my affectionate nickname for guys
that make plays I'm like, who is that?

Speaker 4 (05:08):
So today we.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
Meet Garrett Alexander Williams, a defensive back his second season
out of Syracuse.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
He's pretty good as a rick y Yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:15):
Leads the team in interceptions. If teams are in three
wide receiver sets, he's more than likely on the field.
He is Garrett is my name three at on Twitter
dot com. The three replaces the E and name. Okay,
I watched a lot of his snaps. He's a really
good football player. I'm glad I know his name now.
I hope more people appreciate him.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah, and he could be, you know, matching up at
some point against JSN, Jackson Smith and Jigba. Who's balling
getting up there when you look just like total yards
over the last half season, he's moving up. You hope
DK Metcalf is healthy. It's a tough matchup. Since week nine,
the Seahawks are third in the league and EPA per

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play in terms of their defense, seventh in success rate.
So they have really turned things around. And what they
did in that first matchup against Arizona was find a
way to really slow down that Cardinals running game, force
them into long yarded situations and blitz Kyler Murray and
the Vikings. I don't know if it was from them
watching that tape last week or not, or you don't
have to ask them to blitz, but the offensive line

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and Kyler combined to struggle to identify where the free
rushers were coming from. So even though they moved the
ball quite well in that game, when the Vikings blitzed,
it was a big problem. That's actually been a problem
for Kyler all season long. His numbers against the blitz
blitz have not been great. So that's something to watch.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
And you know, these other Vikings very run, very lane
discipline blitzing. They weren't necessarily trying to get up field
to protect them. Let's get his eye let's get in
his passing lanes, get his eyesight. Let's be creative. That's
something that we could see real quick. Kudos to you
for saying that McDonald's could go Kyle Shanahan over Sean
McVay if he goes yea, he sweeps John gannon right here. Yeah,

(06:54):
getting a little bit of that. Hey, I got your number.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Well, they brought McDonald's here to be kind of the
sham the hand tree killer, and yeah, I know he
lost that game to the Rams, but I thought he
played that. They played well defensively in that game and
then they finally got to win over the forty nine ers.
It's I think it's there is something to that with
guys that are going to be around and playing each
other for a while.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
I think so, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
Just it's harder to sell because there's the the friends
on the same coaching staff. Of course, the picture of
the two thousand and six Reds excuse Meshlaw Club football
franchise almost had to put one in the slurgear there
where everybody's on the same coaching staff. But yeah, despite that,
they could still have this rivalry in the division where

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both teams both teams five and three and there and
there in their last excuse me, three and two in
their last five game, and.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
It is such a big game for the Cardinals because
they will they suddenly what would have been such a
promising season at six and seven and you're looking up
at the Seas eight and five. Suddenly they are just
not feeling great about themselves. And one big advantage they
do give the Sea if it is close. And I
was talking about the end of game sequences, I think
Mike McDonald's really been excellent in those situations. If you

(08:06):
watch the end of the halfs, it helps to have
a veteran quarterback like Gino Smith. Certainly, if you watch
the end of the halfs, in the end of the games,
clock management, when to use challenges, when to use timeouts,
they the numbers should show that they're one of the
best teams in the league, and just watching it, they're
very on it. And like we tend to only notice
the coaches that are bad at it, but they are

(08:27):
very good at it. And he's a rookie head coach.
I give him some credit. We're on the flip side.
Greg Olsen was killing Jonathan Gannon last week for kicking
that field goal to go up six with about three
minutes to go instead of going for it on fourth
and three. They end up losing by one. So maybe
if it is close at the end, you trust the
Seahawks a little more.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Great point.

Speaker 5 (08:45):
Still looking forward to a great matchup. It's going to
be huge in terms of playoff implications.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
And it's four oh five, by the way, like this
is that's the best game in the afternoon. It's the
four oh five. Sorry, sorry for interrupting.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
No me.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
It's it's worth noting time is these next two teams
are not making a push.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
For the playoff.

Speaker 6 (09:03):
I thought you were gonna sell it, Patrick, Okay, all right,
Steve in Nashville, Tennessee, Will Levis and the Tennessee Titans
three and a half point favorites over Mac Jones and
the Jacksonville Jaguars, the over under thirty nine and a
half Andrew Cavlong, Jason mccordy, Tiki Barber and A J.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Ross.

Speaker 5 (09:22):
It's only thirty nine and a half points that the
experts believe, Steve, but every single one of those points
will be valuable because this quarterback matchup. It's still right,
we're not necessarily evaluating Mac Jones, evaluating Will Levis, who
didn't have a turnover against to watch the Commanders like
that week, but the offense did really have a lot
to speak of. By the way, I'm buying your igloo

(09:43):
in Alaska. Wait to sell it, well done.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
The thirty nine and a half almost looks high to
me because Jacksonville couldn't score. Whichevor Lawrence is playing and
then Mac Jones they really can't score. This is one
I you know, Tennessee force in an ear. I am borceate,
but I'm just kind of like tennis.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Why you make the big bucks. It's not the primetime games.
It's like the ten am game where no one's in
the crowd. You got to still put up those shots, right, But.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
I mean this is one where you say yourself, Okay,
what team is building for?

Speaker 2 (10:15):
What?

Speaker 4 (10:15):
Like?

Speaker 3 (10:15):
This is like, all right, these guys are kind of
playing at the string right here. But Will Levis, you
talked about no giveaways last week. This is a defense
where he should feast because Jacksonville has not figured out
at any level except for those guys on the edges.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
Those are very good players.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
So I would think that Tennessee and they're probably gonna
get a defensive defensive takeaway on the side too. I
like Tennessee. I like the three and a half. I
think they win by a much bigger march.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
I've been waiting for more of these games, and on
the previous show, I think we're at the point of
the season we could be a little quicker on these types.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Again, there actually haven't been as many.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
I expected a ton of them because there's so many
teams with bad records. There haven't been many the last
couple of weeks where truly both teams this season is done.
One thing that Titans can look to is their rookie
draft class where they they've had some players show up
and that's important for a young general manager and Ran Carthon,
a first time head coach. You know, Sweat has played

(11:09):
well defensive tackle JC Lathan like, I don't think he's
in All Pro right now. But if you can just
play as a rookie tackle and start at every game
and be solid enough, that's a big win because you're
only going to get better at that position. They have
a young cornerback Brownly, who's played pretty well for them,
So some of the younger guys the thing they need
to work on. And I've been meaning to mention this

(11:31):
for a few weeks. Now now's the time. Oh not
much to talk about this. The Titans special teams are
one of the worst units in the history of football.
According to the old guys at Football Outsiders, they're like
one of the worst special teams they've ever recorded. The
gap in terms of their measurement between them and the
thirty first team in the league in special teams is

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as big as the gap between thirty one and twelve,
like they are so worlds beyond the worst kickoff return unit,
the worst punt return unit. They can't cover anything. Everything
they do is terrible. And ever since someone put this
in my ear about a month ago, I do keep
an eye on it with Titans, and you'll watch it
and you'll be like, oh, yeah, there's another sixty yard

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return they give. Oh yeah, there's another forty yards like
they are so bad. If you wonder why the Titans
are this bad, it's not just Will Levis.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
It's not just you know, the offense. That is one
of the reasons.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
And real quick in kicking game situations when they're blowing
stuff like that, especially on coverage teams, that's back end
roster turning.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yea, that's just not having it.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
In coaching. You gotta you've gotta play coach.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Coaching is part of that. But again, the really good
teams they don't have that. The the dud players on
their forty through fifty three, they've got guys who can
actually if they got even step in and play offensive
for defensive snaps, can play.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
We'll see how they adjust.

Speaker 5 (12:50):
They adjusted earlier in the season as Nick Westbrook Cacine
started out with no targets in his first four weeks,
and since then he's got out to score six touchdown
and do nothing but put points on the board. Taking
US two Sunday Night Football, it is the Los Angeles
Chargers going on the road to the Chiefs, who are
four point favoritesly over under forty two and a half.

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Mike Trico, Chris Collinsworth, Melissa Stark on the call, Greg,
we have seen this Chargers team play pretty well up front.
They go up to the Atlanta Falcons, who now have
thirty three percent of their sacks against this Chargers front
in Justin Herbert, how do they deal with the Chiefs
pass rush, which has also had a bad stretch here recently.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, it's interesting because they're both winning games obviously, the
Chargers and the Chiefs, and yet they both have real
big concerns. I think what's happened in the last couple
of weeks with the Chargers offense has to make you
worried if you're Jim Harbaugh that it's now down to
like Maconkey or bust yep. And he's a smaller guy
who's playing like a number one. He literally leads all

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he's their guide receivers in yards now black Bowers has more,
but he's a tight end. But he's got more than
neighbored more than he He's fantastic, but he seems to
be getting banged up. I'm not sure what it is,
whether it's his knee or his shoulder, like every game
where he's kind of hobbling out. So they're asking him
to do a lot and if he's not open, they
don't have anything. And then the last couple of weeks

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they have not protected Herbert well at all. A lot
of it's on the interior with Bozeman and Zion Johnson,
a first round pick from a couple of years ago
that really isn't working out. And so you think about
the blitz is that Kansas City likes to send, and
you think about Chris Jones, you know, picking out a
guy he can be on the inside, and man, that

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was a sobering game for I know the Chargers won it,
but to not break two hundred yards against the Atlanta Falcons,
that is red fire alarms worry for the Chargers off.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
I totally agree.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
And look, you know the four points for Kansas City
might seem too much, is because they don't beat anybody
by four points, it's usually.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
Not to the end.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
But here's where I think other than left tackle, I mean,
that is a really tough situation for Kansas City right
now past pro That's why I think Andy Reid last
year when he was having all those issues at the
tackle spot with penalties and things like that, what does
you do?

Speaker 4 (15:06):
He runs the ball, they get Pa check go back.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
I think this is a situation now we're offensively for
Kansas City. We're gonna start to see them road grade.
They're gonna say we're gonna protect our left tackle, We're
gonna try to run the football. Yeah, they're tough on
the edges with the Chargers. They've got some guys up front.
This is where I think they really start playing cold
weather football and doing this.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
I like Kansas City in this game. I just I
think as well as their point.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
You feel like we're hearing that every week though, that's like, okay,
this is the week.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
And I think now they're getting Pa checko back changes
some things with their offense.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
I agree.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
Winning the forfeiture game against the Falcons in Atlanta, it's
not moving me at this point enough to feel like
well because I.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
Agree Kirk co changes the fourfiture. Yeah, well it was
last week.

Speaker 5 (15:54):
Kirk cousinks, go go out there and we'll talk about
that Viking game a little bit and be great.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
Last week it was not. It was decide.

Speaker 5 (16:01):
The Chargers kind of got a little bit of a
gift there, and this recent run on the Chiefs defense
has shown a lot of vulnerability that I don't think
you necessarily just have spags go on the chalkboard and
fix those.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Those are going to last for the rest of the season.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
I just especially as you mentioned Greg, if not Lad McConkey,
then what like, where's the offense production come from?

Speaker 4 (16:20):
Because no JK.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
Dobbins, well, Gus Edwards hasn't really shown in his replacement.
Kamani Vidal hasn't gotten the opportunities that I think maybe
he should. I can't feel confident about really about either
of these teams, but definitely not the Chargers on the
road in game.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
I think the Chargers defense has shown more than the
sum of their parts. They're really well coached, and I think,
just being such a justin Herbert fan as I am
over the years, it's not a great formula, but the
formula has to be our guy justin Herbert is so good,
he's actually got to even be better than your guy
Patrick Momes like, and that's an almost impossible formula.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
You just have to play at an other worldly level.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Now, the advantage Herbert has, like I mentioned, is that
Chargers defense is really sound. And you know, you gave
up some yards to the Falcons, but they forced turnovers.
This this rookie cornerback tar he's still got Defensive Player
of the Week. He's great. You got Marcus May coming off.
What's it's he on the Saints or the Dolphins. I'm
not even sure. A couple of weeks ago, I think, yeah, okay, yeah,

(17:19):
he was on the Dolphins. And now he jumps in there.
You got Tony Jefferson, who was out of football for
a minute coaching for suddenly Derwin James is now kind
of roaming around near the line of scrimmage where he's
so good again, almost playing like a linebacker type role.
And if you can get anything like Joey Bosas, let's
show up here. Maybe he's playing through something, but he
hasn't done anything. Maybe their defense can just keep them

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in this in an ugly game. And and then Herbert
does something magical at the end. Then that this number,
I don't even know what it is, but it's too
high for you. I just like the defenses. I do
like I know the Chiefs defense, as he pointed out
Patrick has not been playing well, but I kind of
like the defense.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
And familiar and a familiar opponent. You know.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
It was a game, by the way, the first time
it was a year it.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
Was, it was every time they played each other.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
It's cool. It was really early.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
That was a game the Chargers actually didn't have either
of their tackles, so they were in a tough spot
and they held the Chiefs offense down like a lot
of defenses have done this.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Yeah, the tackle is a factor on play action.

Speaker 5 (18:17):
In that first matchup this season, Justin Herbert was eight
of ten, including a touchdown. No play action in that game,
he was eight of seventy eight of seventeen for seventy
nine yards. You got to run the ball to have
play action. They just aren't doing it. So look still
looking forward to that one. A big one on Tony
Night football in the division. Let's go to the NFC side,

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the Chicago Bears at.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
The San Francisco forty nine Ers, who were four point favorites.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
Gotta feel like that would have been a larger margin
a few weeks ago over under his forty four Kenny Albert,
Jonathan Vilma, Megan o'livy on the call. As we get
to this game, Steve, where the Bears have a chance
to get the coach firing bump? Is that to beat
Cal Shanahan's injured squad.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
And doesn't count when you already fired an offensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
Yeah, it's I'm actually stunned that the Niners are four
point favorite here at home. I mean, are the Bears
just that bad?

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Because the Niners, I know they're not good, but the
nine of the whole Trent Williams situation, injury, that the
terrible tragedy at home. No Christian McCaffrey, no Jordan Mason.
I mean, they are rolling guys out here, even on defense,
where I think this is the chance for Caleb and
some of those guys on the offense can eat the Niners.

(19:35):
Defense just got absolutely truck steamrolled and ran over.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
And I don't see why.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
The Bears and Thomas Brown, who's very familiar with the Niners,
remember he coached with the Rams for a long time.
This to me has got upset alert all over it.
I think the Bears offense is gonna come out of this.
I just I just almost feel bad for the Niners,
right wow. I just don't think they've got the personnel,
and I think their spirit is actually a little crushed.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
I agree with you, and it might be because I'm
influenced by you, Steve. I look at you, you know,
as a as a mentor. Here someone to model a
career after. Steve Weiss, And you said something that stuck
with me on the Quarterback Island episode of Just like,
I don't know if they're the forty nine ers are
gonna compete the rest of the year, like if they're

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gonna be close in games? So, I mean, what is
informing you? Just being totally I agree, it's it's heading
down a hill fast. And I wouldn't be surprised if
the Bears won this game because the vibes. But you
seem very strong that it's well.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
I mean, look, it's a proud club.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
They're gonna compete, Kyle's gonna coach those guys can go
out there and compete.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
They just have nothing.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
And when you just have this much negativity constantly, all right,
and let's as horrible do this. Let's not forget what
happened to like Serveri's Ward and Trent Williams, their personal situations.
Those things will ran also will devastate the character of
a team. I mean, it's just like, can it get
any worse? And yeah, it keeps getting worse. For these guys.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
It's tough.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
They've played and performed and functioned at such a high
level that all these blows might be like, you know what,
we just have to exhale right now, and.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
The circumstances going the wrong way. Kyle Yucheck had that
fumble in the snow. I remember the way the game started.
I was looking at the forty nine ers energy because
it happenings as we were taping our Sunday pod. And
then they the offense comes out and there's no seventy one,
and I remember just how much Trent means to this
football team. The on all stats for Brock Purty with

(21:34):
him without Trent Williams, there's a stark difference there. And
then the defense hasn't been as good as it's been
all season long, so they need the points. They're only
scoring twenty two points a game right now for the season, Greg,
And so it's like we look at there, we see
brock Purty, we see the Niners uniforms, but this is
not the Niners team that we know.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Losing Trent is even bigger, I think this year than
other years, because I think the rest of the offensive
line hasn't been great. So then if you're adding suddenly
a big trouble spot at the most important position where
it was your one big strength. They have a young
guard Poony, their rookie who they like, but the other
spots it's been a little leaky that then suddenly you're right,

(22:13):
maybe the whole deck of cards just collapse. They actually
have an eight percent chance to make the playoffs according
to Next Gen Stats, which was a higher percentage than
I expected, because that's going off the numbers, based off
the whole season. It's going off the division, and it's
going off the reality is if they win this game,
and let's say the Cardinals, who are favored, win that game,
they're one game back in the NFC West, as doom

(22:36):
and gloom as it is, and I agree it's doom
and gloom. I'm not pushing backward. I think I'm going
to pick the Bears. They actually are alive, Like the
reality is there. They do have a chance, But there
is something about this team. When I saw that face
of rage that Kyle Shanahan had a couple weeks ago.
I don't know if you remember, if you watch the
Fox broadcast, you were probably out of game Steve, but

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he was so mad when they had twelve men on
the field that I've never seen another human more angry
than Kyle Shannon was in that movie.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
And I just felt like, oh man, it's like too much.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
There's too much bad vibes there, and now that it's
amazing the Bears are the team with the better vibes.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
Yeah, maybe vibes on the way up.

Speaker 5 (23:15):
Since we eleven, DJ Moore has the second most receiving
yards over expected. They've been throwing the ball close to
the line of scrimmage around getting the ball out of
Caleb's hands quick, keeping them from taking some of those secks,
which I think is going to be important in this game.
Nick Bosa's you know, it's a down year for both boss,
but he's generated most of the pressures this season. So

(23:35):
get the ball out of Caleb's hands and just enjoy
the vibes of of you know, maybe a negative vibes.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Coach no longer be speaking of turning points. They haven't
done too well since you wore that hat. I'm just saying,
you know, Bosa, Yeah, maybe that's what turned the season around.
I do think the fire coach principle is a real thing.
I do think yeah, because it gets fired for a reason.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Can I get him bumped? And they gotta feel.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
Good read about all that locker.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Room stuff like and if they do lose before we
take it right.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
I just want to say this because I haven't seen
this pop up on Twitter and among forty nine ers fans,
You guys are insane. The ones that want Shanahan. God like,
it's a real thing out there that they're like, is
it time for Kyle Shannon?

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 4 (24:17):
That's dumb. Those those folks are Seahawks fans in a mask.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Are we are you guys? It's serious?

Speaker 3 (24:23):
So Greg, it's the same folks you want Mike Tomlin
get fired. It's we're in this. We're in this stare
and I need a different crew. But I hate with
the media. Are you are you gonna play? Are you
gonna are you gonna bench Aaron Rodgers this week and
play who like we want to We're constantly like we
want to replace guys, we want to fire guys, Like
what's the other?

Speaker 4 (24:42):
Okay, go ahead, look look Kyle Shannon hit the streets.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Trade it you get You could trade them whipping your ass,
you could, you could trade them.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Someone would absolutely Chicago, Chicago would like that. Love.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
Sorry, that's one club that I ain't doing that expense.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
That is it for us, the start the show. We're
just getting going.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Looking forward to Week fourteen, and yes, a Bills Rams
rematch of what was the opener just a few years ago.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
A lot has changed them back on NFL Daily.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
You spent that break just wondering what opener am I
talking about? I remember it well because I was there
twenty twenty two. The Bills came in and they put
it on the Rams in such a way that you wondered, what.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Is this Rams season going to be like? And it
was that it wasn't good. It wasn't good. So a
little chance for revenge for Sean McVay.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
It is, and that revenge is why it's the Game
of the Week presented by DraftKings Sportsbook. The Buffalo Bills
four and a half point favorites. Across the street at
Sofi Stadium. The over number under is forty nine and
a half. You get to hear Kevin Burkhard, Tom Brady
and Andrews and Tom Rinaldi on the call, Greg the
Bills a buzz saw right now.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
You said the Rams the best bad team in the league.
Can the best bad team beat a very good Buffalo.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
I'm starting to feel bad about keep saying that. I'm
gonna stop saying, Okay, it's my daughter's team. When I
watch them, they're entertaining to watch. Still a lot of
good players on that team. They're six and sixteen, that's
what they are, and six and six teams probably can't
be a Bills team right now the way they are playing,
unless there's a little bit of a letdown factor. They

(26:34):
just won the division last week in the snowy conditions.
That was that was a high. You're trying, you're flying
across the country. It's a NFC game against a team
that really needs it. It's it's not crazy. It's not
a crazy scenario. Speak to it.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
What Okay, I'll jump in the spoiler I'm taking the
Rams well this one, Greg, and I'll lay out the
narrative that I have constructed to fulfill this outcome, because
I think it's I think it's important where this Bill's defense,
I feel can be vulnerable to true ones, and they
haven't really had a chance to play a true one,

(27:10):
albeit Tyreek Hill having a down season in Miami a
few weeks ago, the Dolphins score points and there Untila
spread the ball around pretty well. You go back, you
have to go all the back way back to that
Nico Collins game where Nico actually hurt his hamstring running
into the end zone away from this Bill's secondary and
now with Pooka fully healthy Greg and the opportunity with

(27:32):
with DeMarcus Robinson playing while he got back in the
end zone of course, Cooper Cup there, Kyroen and Blake
Korum going off. I like this Rams puncher's chance, and
I feel like with with with that, that punch that
they can throw being better than punches the Bills have
received here in the past few weeks.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Very good.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
I mean, I'm gonna back into this a little bit
because the Bills do team step for a lockdown seventh
straight win six of them scoring thirty plus points. I
just don't think it happens here. And here's why the
Rams starts slow offensively. If all of a sudden they're
down to nothing or fourteen enough, and the Kyroen Williams factor,
the run game factor changes, and the way that those
guys are getting after the quarterback with Russo and Epanessa

(28:16):
and some of these guys getting after the quarterback. Your
favorite player, Matt Milano is back. He's back in the lineup.
I just don't know if the Rams can do it now.
If it's toe to toe for a while, okay, then
the Rams have that puncher's chance. But if they fall
behind quickly and they get one dimensional quickly, which we
know that Sean McVay does not mind doing throwing the

(28:37):
ball over the place, then I think they're in trouble.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
That all makes sense to me. I think the team
that can run the ball better could win this game.
The Bills have really turned into a great running team
with the ace up their sleeve of Josh Allen being
able to run in the red zone, which the Rams
obviously don't have. The Rams really leaned on the run
last week against the Saints. They were domin running the ball.

(29:00):
Their success rate was over sixty plus percent, and Jordan
Rodrigue talked about how you know, a halftime in that game,
the players were like, let's run the damn ball, and
they got it done. So if there is a weakness
of the their Bills defense, maybe that's it that they
could you know, establish it. And it's like a seven
possession game. We're at that point for the Rams where
they're clearly the inferior team. Less possessions is a good

(29:23):
thing when you're going up against a great team like
the Bills. And it shook me a little that Jordan
was so quick to kick Stafford off underback on. Honestly,
I'm a little a little shook. But watching Stafford the
last few weeks, I think he's played okay. I think
he's actually playing a little better. And he is like

(29:45):
these these old tennis grats I've been watching retire lately.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
That's who he reminds me of a little.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Is like they can't quite get through, you know, an
entire tournament sometimes or an entire season, but they'll pop
up and they'll play like their very best for one game,
you know what I mean, for one match. And I
do think Stafford to what you're saying, Patrick is very
capable of that for one night that he is just
the best Stafford.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
You've convinced me into it.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
I'm not backing you're calling him Washington Wizard MJ.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, No, I'm not saying.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Saying he's Olympic Snovak Djokovic who's wearing the gold medal
and beats the young best player.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
In the world in that moment, for one day, you
can be better. That's it.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Made an All Star team one year with a Wich.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Okay, he wasn't like, yeah, he was better than people.
Remember though, I give you, I give you credit.

Speaker 5 (30:34):
For motivation, motivation for Matthew Stafford based on Greg's comments
about him being absolutely.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
I'm not saying that.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
I'm saying, like when Serena was still making those Grand
Slam finals and she beat the number one player in
the world or whatever. But you know, maybe you can't
keep it going weak at the week which is the season.
You know you can do it for one game that
that's the thing that happened. I do want to mention
in this game. Micah Hyde is a member of the
Buffalo Bills organization. Again, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
I mean it's a really he's on the practice squad.
We don't know if he'll play in the game. I
think this is in part like Micah has had to
fight through some physical things, which is why he has
not been on a field yet this season, which is
why he really didn't draw the free agent interest that
we thought. But it goes to show you how much
he means to this franchise that they did connect even

(31:21):
if he's a practice squad guy and like almost into
Tony Jefferson type of role with the Chargers where he's
kind of a coach on the field to help these guys.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
You figure he'll kind of warm up.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
It's tough to ask him to come off the streets
and just play right away.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Yeah, oh yeah, I mean, and that's what I'm saying.
You look at the point of the season, he'll be
there in case if needed. He's a great Remember he
was a great punt returner at one point as well too.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
He can really run.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
I mean, they got Brandon Codrington, who's a heck of
a return guy. But I just think it's fantastic. It's
a class move on both sides to connect like this.
I'm sure he's got all the medical you know, clearing
that he needed to have and he's good to go.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yeah, they got to get a Marii Cooper a little
more involved. His staff count did go up a lot
last week actually in terms of like when they had
their start, Like, so they need to start. Yeah, this
is a good matchup for them to use him as
a as a true number one on their side. And
then I did notice this quote that one of the
Bills offensive linemen had after last week's game where he
said we beat the breaks off the forty nine ers

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and that that's the type of team, that's the type
of confidence. It was Alec Anderson, who they bring in
as kind of an extra lineman. They just kept running
the same play over and over and they are becoming
one of those offensive lines. To me, they have that
sort of confidence as a group where that's their identity
and that that could that could mean a long day.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
For these these Rams linebackers.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
Yeah, it's a great matchup.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
It's uh so are you taking them to win straight
up on game debut? I'm putting it, but okay, yea
real quick say. He puts his name behind that, we
have records and everything.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
Oh yeah, I think it's genuine as they come, not
not afraid to lose, as evident about my record or
game real quick.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Since you mentioned the Rams linebackers, Yeah, one day, they're
really going to have to invest in that part of
their defense. It's something that they have shown under Sean
McVay that when they're bringing Bobby Wagner, otherwise churn him
and get him out. Look what Arne Shones is doing
up and chan, how he's changed that defense. That's someone
who they kicked to the curb in preseason strong point. Yeah,
they can find them for the Seattle Seahawks.

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Speaker 7 (33:28):
To our next game, the New Orleans Saints four and
a half point favorites at the New York Giants in
MetLife over under his forty one Kevin Coogler, Daryl Johnson,
Laura Oakman on the call, Steve, we have seen the
rizzy edition of the Saints.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
Yea inspired that inspiration can't lead to a loss to this,
this hapless Giants franchise can Yeah, no, the Giants are
gonna win this game.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
Oh what, here's the overarching theme, just because it's the
Giants and the way things are going.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
This is where they set the tone to lose out
of the number one pick.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Right now, they're sitting in that slot right them and
the Raiders both have two wins. The Giants sitting in
that slot. And this is where the Dome Saints go
up there. The weather's not supposed to be too bad,
but without Taysom Hill, right, without some of the things
to make this offense function like it normally does. This
is where the Giants defense buoize Drew Locke and he

(34:25):
comes in if they pull the upset, I'm giving you drama.
I wish your song was playing the viola right here.
I'm giving you the drama. This is one that the
New York Giants win and end up not getting the
first overall pick in the draft.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
That ti let.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
They're gonna click off like three wins to end the
season and pick like seventh.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
That would be a lot like last year.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
They had a three game winning streak around this time
of the season.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
DeVito was involved.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
I believe with that one of them was over the
Patriots and they ended up not getting Drake Maybase because
of it.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Or Jayden Daniels.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
Well, they could have had him.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
They could have had him, could have had Saquan, could
have but they just you know, we saw it was
on full display and hard knocks.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
What that they Yeah, they could, I don't know. They
would have to give up a lot to trade up.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
Tends to happen.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeah, that's fair. They didn't want they didn't want it
bad enough. Well, I guess we're not choosing them as
a survivor pick. Patrick had thrown that out there, the
possibility they're losing that. I wouldn't like them as a
survivor pick anyways, just because the Saints I expect them
to win. No dexter lawrence for the Giants. I mean,

(35:34):
they just keep losing their very best players. There's a
little buzz, or at least speculation that it depending on
how Derek Carr closes out this season that could impact
what his status is for twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
If they win some games.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
The Saints are not above being like, Okay, let's let's
all run it back. So you gotta win games like this.
If you're Derek Carr, I do want to just mention
and then we can move on. Alvin Kamara shout out
to him big time. IP at thousand rushing yards for
the first time in his career, which is crazy that
that's never happened before. But he's fifth right now in
the in the NFL and yards from scrimmage. So you

(36:09):
look who's ahead of him. You look who's ahead of him,
It's Saquon Henry, Jamir Gibbs. It might be Josh Jacobs's
fourth and he's getting it done week after week. That
that dude is a star. I'll always believe if he
doesn't wind up making the Hall of Fame, that they're
coaching malfeasance over the last three or four years is
what cost him because he was a good player that

(36:30):
whole time. So he's having a great year. I hope
they keep keep leaning.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
On Taysom Hill getting too many touches.

Speaker 5 (36:36):
Well, yeah, take it take it away from Kamara, man,
I mean those yards he would have decidedly, it's not
conjectur on my part, he would have the record for
most touchdowns scored in a single game if.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Not for a rend Jason Hill carry one yard line. Yeah,
I'm with you.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
Greg, shout out to one of the best of this
generation in number forty one. The over under for this
game also forty one, So Synergy a big game coming
up for AK.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
Let's get speaking.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
Of the NFC South, the Atlanta Falcons, who somehow lost
to the Chargers last week on the road. It is
a Kirk Cousins revenge game against the Minnesota Vikings, who
are favored by five enough half coming off of their
fourth and six come back against the Arizona Cardinals. Greg,
how do you see it going over under forty five
and a half? G Reg on the call with Joe

(37:24):
Davis and Pam.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Oliver, I don't think it's gonna go.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Well, that number is highly disrespectful to the Falcons and evidence.
Okay that no, no, no, I take the Viking. I
just mean people have been watching the Falcons. Imagine what
that line would have been four weeks ago. It would
have been totally different. But this team is in a
free fall. I somehow, while writing out notes for this game,
forgot that it's the Kirk Cousins revenge game.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
I guess I'm just all about ball and that.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
Actually That's a great example that.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Forget the narratives.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
It's actually sad to think about because I had the thought,
could this be Kirk Cousins's last NFL start? WHOA, And
it would be crazy if it's in Minnesota, If Brian Flores,
who to me is not a defensive coordinator, I would
want to see if I'm Kirk Cousins right now ends
up just putting it to him because he's got ten

(38:19):
turnovers no touchdowns the last three games.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
Yeah, I mean, you.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Know you're talking about overall turnovers and fumbles. You know,
people are interceptions, he's putting the ball on the ground. Look, Patrick,
you've talked about it all season.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
We've seen it. He can't move right.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
The fact that he just cannot move Their offense has
been all over I don't think he's gonna go out
there and play as poorly as he did against the Chargers.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Doesn't he seem like the type of guy that maybe
this situation it would be a lot for anyone.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
But I don't know.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
I think it's got to be challenging for him emotionally.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
In all that, it's going to be emostly challenging. It's tough,
and the thing is now he's losing them games. Right,
there's always a thing like you can overcome this. He's
costing them ballgames. And this is whereas Adam and is
Raheem Morris has been that Michael Penick is gonna be
their quarterback for the future.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
Does that future start next week?

Speaker 3 (39:08):
If they lose this ballgame and Cousins comes out and
loses another game the way he has the past couple game.
Because their offense hasn't function They're like, we're gonna put
eight guys in the box. We're gonna make Kirk Cousins
beat us. I mean, it's not creative what teams are
doing against Atlanta right now. In Atlanta has got a
lot of offensive talent, and so for them not to
be putting points on the board and Kirk co Chains,

(39:30):
who I think is gonna play better this game. But
they've just got to get some points on the board
early to start feeling good.

Speaker 5 (39:35):
Otherwise this could get sideways. Yeah, it would be very
difficult for him to play worse than he did. I
guess the charge and I say that to demean Kirk
Cousins because everybody has a stinker, right. I think it's
a credit to Kirk Cousins to come back from that
injury and play the way that he did in spots
right this season. But this is a situation where no
matter how mentally strong he is, and it's gonna be

(39:58):
an emotional game because I they had a lot of
they had great moments between the franchise and Kirk Cousins
of Minnesota. It's not that it's gonna be physically. Can
he hang in there do the things that he needs
to do. I guess the veteran defense they can do
so many different things, so many different looks. It's not
like you're going to confuse him, but you just get
in literal situations on the football field where you need your.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Body to do something and it's not doing well.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
I think they can confuse him. Why not? I think
the Chargers did. I think the Chargers with some of
the coverages that they were playing, or having him hold
the ball a little extra. He's seen it all, certainly,
but everyone gets confused sometimes. Tom Brady gets confused for
games at a time during his prime. I watched it,
and this Minnesota team is so diverse. Yeah, what they

(40:46):
can do. Last week they played they played half their
snaps without a down lineman. Now they had like down
linemen like guys who play defensive tackle were on the field,
but literally like no one's hand was on the ground
half the snaps.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
That's just that's just craziness.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Well, and the way they use a guy like Josh
Mna tell Us and you know, Harrison Smith, moving him
all over the field and bringing him it'll be interesting.
By the way, I like, I'm going to bring back
another Michael Jordan reference. You guys are saying Kirk was
year two Michael Jordan Washington Wizards when he could only
play in spots because he couldn't jump off the floor.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Wow, I mean, what's what's coot right now? Too?

Speaker 1 (41:21):
He's killing them Like he's as big a problem as
as Tucker is for the Ravens. Like this could be
a close game. The one right spot here is the
Falcons came out of there by and Rahee Morris said
they were going to be a different team defensively, and
they were. So that is something you could take from
that game, like if they can be an average to
above average defense the rest of the way. And we've

(41:43):
seen Raheem Morris go on streaks sometimes and they got
Ebakeetty and they got some pass rush out of North.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Who knows.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
If that's a little real, then maybe Kirk writes a
totally different story, because how sweet would it be for
him to get off this schneid and have one of
those crazy Kirk Cousins games.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
There's no way.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Okay, now I'm taking Now, I'm going to Atlanta plus
five and a half.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
At least to cover.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
At least to cover because every Kirk Cousins game is
the same. It comes, there's gonna be insanity, and it's
gonna be up and down, and it's gonna end up
with Kirk having the ball with a chance to win.
That's how it goes. So that's probably within five and
a half. I don't know how it ends. I'm not
one of the scriptwriters here.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
And by the way, speaking of Raheem morris Is defense
being better, Kaiden Nellis is the best defensive player in
the NFL.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
It does not get talked to him.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Oh wow, He's a hell of a player inside linebacker
who they bring on a lot of pressures. Brother starts
for the Broncos. Fathers Luther Ellis one of twelve kids.
Kate Nellis held a play.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
I never knew they were brothers, which, of course how
many too.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Ellis's seven of them adopted great story, but kay Nellis
is a hell of a player.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
That's a whole defense with a sub answer.

Speaker 5 (42:48):
And just one of those things where we got to
figure out was that the Chargers line and the injuries
for the Chargers or the Falcons getting better going and
now going up against.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
Sam Darnold, who's Steve was.

Speaker 5 (43:01):
Early but then late, we get to see the fully
realized Sam Donald on a game winning drive, including a
fourth and sixth where he got a dot to Justin
Jefferson for the first though.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Remember of the quarterback island Sam Donald, who as has
it brought him in my argument.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
He was closed.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
We didn't get him on.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
This is how good Sam Donald has been playing lately.
I actually felt guilty post show that he was not
on it, and Gino was that's how well he's playing,
Like I genuinely feel bad because he's played that well.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Because he's not only winning games, he's they're asking him
to win games, and he's throwing the ball like thirty
six thirty seven times a game, a lot of it late,
and he's making those throws that he wasn't making when
he was not with Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
I just want to make one last point on this one,
which is they waved goodbye to Kirk Cousins because they
had a price they would not go over. Now, Kevin
O'Connell wanted him back, and I think they would have
had him back if he had accepted a contract they
probably knew he wasn't going to take, but that would
have been fair if he wanted to stay there. If
you think about the way they've built their team without

(44:03):
Kirk Cousins, what a difference it makes. And it's one
of the big reasons they're ten and two. Not only
do you have JJ McCarthy in the future, who unfortunately
got hurt and Darnold has worked out as a much
cheaper option, but guys like Andrew Van Ginkel and Grenard
that you were able to pick up in free agency
and Gilmore and spread it around, and it's part of
the reason that defense is so good.

Speaker 5 (44:26):
Let's get to a couple of teams now, who's defenses
and spots the season have been good. It's the Monday
night football matchup between the Cincinnati Bengals and the Dallas Cowboys.
Cincinnati favorite by five and a half favorite. Again, the
losses keep piling up forty nine and a half.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
The over under.

Speaker 5 (44:41):
Of course, Joe, Troy and Lisa on the call, Steve,
as we have seen things go horribly wrong. So a
midlife crisis car purchase for Joe Burrow. He goes out
and buzz the batmobile.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
Is it gonna need it? Against Micah and the company?

Speaker 3 (44:55):
It's insy because you know, I wash at the game
last week when Pittsburgh just scored Will and Greg we
talked about it, yesha, with the same play basically with
you know, the running back with Nashia Harris going out
on the release right up the middle. They do that
play ten times, but against teams that losing record. Cincinnati
is really good. They're really good. And you know, again,

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their defense is not they don't want they didn't want
to tackle anybody.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
They're covered.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Sometimes it's okay, they're just I don't know what has
happened to that defense. There has been some talent trained,
but their offense is functioning at such an insanely high level.
I like the five and a half for Cincinnati on
the road here. I do think even though they lost
that game the way they did to Pittsburgh. Those dudes
aren't quitting right there. They are playing their heads off offensively.

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So I think right now this is a showcase game.
It's against the Cowboys, and they're gonna go out there
and keep ringing up the scoreboard because at number nine, man.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
That is a right. Joe Burrow is as real as
it gets.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Right, and that's why I would expect them to win
this game handily. That these two teams is kind of
the In the Hunt, like really bull because I noticed
the Cowboys were on those In the Hunt graphics still
over Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
And I've seen them sneaking on the Bengels.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
That's some respect for Joe Burrow, really, just saying like,
we respect you so much, we're gonna keep you in
that graphic. Speaking of which, if you're watching this game,
they got the Alt cast, oh different graphics, and I
just learned maybe this was out there before, but I
just learned today that it's gonna be our friend of
the show, Mina kimes uh and Dan Orlovsky providing some

(46:36):
some analysis as part of the Simpsons casts. I don't
think they are, but they do have little Mina Kimes
and Orlovsky's that look like Simpsons characters that.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
They that she put out there. Pretty cool. I'm gonna
watch that. I'm gonna I'm can mean this.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
Harry gonna look like Marges.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
I think they're trying to make it. I think they're
to make it real to life. Both these teams, by
the way, I checked on next Gen stats, they both
have a three percent chance to make the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
So I guess in a.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
World where they just turned it around somehow, they still
they still do have a shot. Zach Taylor better win
this game, by the way, big game, you know, for him,
everyone kind of assumes lou Ana Rumo is gone at
the end of the year, which all respect to him,
he's yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
I think he's help of a coach.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Guys that are that good, you don't stay a coordinator forever.
In many places, it happens he'll get hired somewhere else.
I think it's worth thinking about Zach Taylor and and
losses like this.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
I know the offense is good.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
If if they had a loss like this on Monday
Night football or something, maybe that you would think would
maybe get the Browns attention.

Speaker 5 (47:39):
But but that's the thing that that's the if in
this I don't think the Cincinnati Bengals lose this game.
I kind of saw it as the game went on
against the Giants, where Cooper rush within ten yards, especially
throwing crossers, that that's the guy you want. But as
soon as the play requires something other than that, that's
where the wheels kind of start to fall off of
Cooper rush. I think lou An Arumo and defense with

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Hal has a lot of veterans, I think talent wise,
maybe we thought a little bit more of the veterans
on this Cincinnati Bengals defense coming into the season than
the way things. I don't know if some guys are
playing through some things or not. But but over on
the other side, the town's still there on the offensive side,
I hope the front office figures it out.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
They have a unique product that other people don't have.

Speaker 5 (48:22):
H they should use the resources available to them to
keep those particular products together.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
Speaking specifically of.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
T Higgins, Jamar Chase, and Joe Burrow, that's a fun thing.
It would be better for the NFL and better for
those of us who watch the NFL if those guys
play together for their careers.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
I know, maybe I'm wish casting.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
There you are, but there's there's a historical precedent with
that organization where that's not gonna happen.

Speaker 5 (48:43):
But I mean, they've broken historical precedent with this group
since it's been together.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
So I'm a little bit of wishcasting. Perhaps crazier things
have happened. I haven't thought about that that, Like, you
never know. Maybe they maybe they will step up to
the play. I'd love to see it.

Speaker 5 (48:59):
But unless unless Michael Parsons, this Dallas defense overshown. Maybe yeah,
Mao and overshaw scores touchdowns. Good last year's leader in
interceptions with the record breaking pick sixes gets in the ends.
But I just it would take too much for Dallas
to win this.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
I agree with you. But maybe maybe the Cowboys will
be inspired. They played better, they have played better, especially
on defense, and maybe the rest of the crew will
be inspired by Dak Prescott's steadfast support of Mike McCarthy.
Where he's been around there so long, Dak Prescott and
had so many contracts from them. He could even throw
in a little zinger saying maybe they should let you know,

(49:38):
Mike have a little more responsibility, Let the coach coach
the team. He basically was saying without saying it, which
I respect out of Dak sticking up for his guy
and saying, maybe that's some of the reason why the
coaches there struggle. Let's take a quick break. We're gonna
wrap up the rest of the Week fourteen preview. After
the break, we still haven't picked our survivor. Yeah, we're

(50:00):
still rolling. We're surviving, we're thriving. One of my favorite
rivalries Jets Dolphins. And you might say, well, why would

(50:20):
that be one of your favorite rivalries.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
I grew up with the AFC East and those fan bases.
They really hate each other. For some reason, the Dolphins
and the Jets fan bases hate each other. I think
with a passion actually that the Patriots fans will feel
left out of.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
As somebody who covered the Dolphins, I can tell you why,
because half of the Jets fan base lives in South
Florida and occupies that stadium.

Speaker 5 (50:43):
Right.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Yeah, you feel it. You feel it, even in New
York you feel it.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
Yeah, the animosity goes.

Speaker 5 (50:47):
And that's why Greg loved this game, in this matchup,
because it meant either the Jets or the Dolphins would lose.
Yes for his New England Patriots to get a bump
in the standings. Yes, the Jets at the Miami Dolphins
were six point favorites. Kevin Harland aka Trent Green and
Melanie Collins on the call, Steve, we have seen the
Miami Dolphins go on a run and then we saw

(51:07):
the Packers put a stop to it. They got out physical.
To use a trite football term, in the cold weather,
do they bounce back against the Jets?

Speaker 3 (51:16):
They are in the warm weather. And I'm gonna put
it this bluntly as I have it in my notes.
If the Dolphins trick this game off in South Florida,
then their intestinal fortitude needs to be highly questioned. There.
We spoke again yesterday on the show. Their offense is
playing well. Sauce Gardner is he Is he even gonna

(51:39):
play in this game?

Speaker 2 (51:40):
We don't know yet, But you don't know yet. I
think there's some hope.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
Okay, there's some hope.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
But this is a situation where even if he did
play the way that this offense in warm weather, not
in Green Bay weather, but even you know, to a
playball in that game, they should put up enough points.
I mean, look, it's the Jets. They're gonna scrap Aaron
Rodgers is not trying to go out like the way
things are going. But if Miami's got any type of

(52:07):
football pride, I think they go out there and they
cover by the six and they play well in this game.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
I like the extra rest too. At this point of
the season, they're coming off the Thursday night game. Jeff
Ulbricks said it's too early to know if Brees Hall
or Sauce Gardner will be active, but neither practice, and
he did note that Gardner plays a position where you
need a healthy hamstring, especially in this game. In this matchup,
you need to help me. So I'm leaning towards he

(52:32):
is not playing in this game. That that is a
huge loss, and I think it makes the Dolphins a
very strong contender to be our survivor pick. Now, we
have two games coming up Steelers, Browns, Bucks Raiders, so
feel free to to respond there, but we could maybe
make our decision after, you know, we go through all
three of those games. But I have found our fraud

(52:57):
watch on the Jets that Patrick and I have really
been propagating on the airwaves since September to be a
very pleasurable, mutually beneficial and enjoyable activity. That's everyone I
think has benefited from. So that just shows where I'm
leaning here.

Speaker 5 (53:16):
Yeah, I'm also leaning in a similar direction to where
Steve first planted that seed in our heads weeks and
weeks and weeks ago that this Jets team might not
be all it's cracked up to be. And yet the Dolphins,
they started with the fumble that they donated seven points,
They had an opportunity to score, they had a second
in goal the one yard line, had some weird play

(53:39):
calling that Mike macus has since really you know, looked
back in hindsight said that maybe they outthought themselves a
little bit there. I think they were. The game was
closer than the scoreboard indicated against a good Packers team
on the road. And again, as we've covered extensively on
the show, that the Jets are on a good football.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Ta yeah, and too is going to have a response
to not make it to QB Island. He has been
you know what, that's it fantastic for me survivor pick Okay,
let's just let's not even wait.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
Let's go to its.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
We don't need to wait.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
To a snub? Did it? It put me over the top.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Yeah, like they're a little thin. They're a little thin,
and some parts of their defense and the Jets are
just not the team.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
I think that's going to.

Speaker 5 (54:18):
Expose that quarterbacks completing twenty five percent of their passes
when they target Jalen Ramsey. It's he's playing very well,
pretty good right now on the defensive side, and I
know the defense has gone through a little bit, but
it's I'm comfortable here.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Okay, I'm comfortable too.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
I'd like to see them get the running game going,
get where he Mostered out of the doghouse.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
But yes, wow, I'm company.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
He's in there. Did he do something? I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
I just don't think there.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
He did have some fumbles I think earlier in the year,
but they're I mean, they're not using him. I don't
know if it's a doghouse, but that last week it
raised my eyebrows because that's a game where you need
a power runner and you're trying to run eight chan
up there and you're getting some negga when they came
out here, Mike, did Moster just get old all of
a sudden, It happens.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
They're treating him that way because even when he was
here against the Chargers. It was a Chargers, right, They
came out to LA to play the Charger.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Camera, but before the game, you know their their running
back coach x Dudyfield was like, you're gonna see this
guy and this guy and he didn't mention, So it's.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Not like it's not a personal dime. They not playing
him died.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
They might like the younger guys better. Well.

Speaker 5 (55:27):
An opportunity for several Dolphins to get healthy against this
Jet squad who you know, as we covered, might not
have a couple of the pieces that were the reason
you felt good about this franchise in the future.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
In Breeze Hall and Sauce Guard. Another AFC matchup, a
rematch of a snow game. The Cleveland Browns back against
the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 5 (55:48):
This time it is in Pittsburgh. The Steelers Greg six
and a half point favorites. It's the CBS A one.
We get Jim Tony and Tracy A.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Hall.

Speaker 5 (55:59):
An opportunity to see Russell Wilson after he goes off
against the Cincinnati Bengals to get some revenge Greg against
the team that bsmirched his run.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Yeah, it's hard to imagine the Steelers losing twice against
the same opponent in such a short time. First of all,
you know Browns fans living right, they're getting, you know,
the Thursday night crew, They're getting the Sunday Night crew
or Monday night crew. They got Nanton Romo. Here you
got Andrew Ciciliano. When you're in the car on the
right pickup stuff. I mean, you got the best broadcasting

(56:31):
cruise in the business covering the Browns down the stretch.
And why not, They're the best show in football with Jamis.
It almost got a little loss in the shuffle because
of how it ended. Just how many outstanding throws Jameis
Winston made in that game, and people like, well, that's
the experience. The roller coasters, like the ups and downs,
and in the end, I think the idea is that
it's ultimately an l Get some stops on defense please too.

(56:56):
Like Jim Schwartz hasn't been great, but he is moving
an offense that was among the very very worst in
the NFL, and since he's taken over, in terms of
moving the ball, they're up there. So he deserves a
lot of credit for the high level throats he's making
in addition to all the off field you know comments

(57:16):
at everyone enjoys and everything and wants to poke fun
and I do too. I'm just saying, like he's playing football. Well,
so let's not have that lost look.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
I mean, look, I think he'll be delivered from the
Lord from throwing pick sixes.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
Okay, I don't think. But here's what.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
He threw the ball fifty eight times that game. Yeah right,
He's been throwing the ball forty plus times. Jim Schwartz's
defense has been actually playing very good. Craig, it's their
run game. Their run game has been nothing. You can't
run the football with Chubb and Ford. That's why Jamis
is having to throw it. I do think this is
a game. I don't like the six and a half
number for Pittsburgh. But TJ. Watt's not gonna like the

(57:52):
fact that Miles Garrett was barking after the Thursday Oh game,
good call? Like you do you remember, I'm like, I'm
the edge, I'm that dude. Don't forget that. So TJ's
going to be a little worked up. Herbig's gonna be
a little worked up. Alex high Smith is going to
be back for this game as well. Based on reports
about his health status. So I just think Pittsburgh and

(58:13):
here's where Pittsburg because I was at the Snowglow game.
Where Pittsburgh lost that game to me was the fact
that they played justin fields as much as they did.
Not that the fact that he played ten percent of
their snaps, but when they put him in, Russ was
rolling rush was.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
Like ten to ten on third down.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
That all of a sudden they started putting justin fields
in in those third and short situations, which is when
the justin field package tends to work.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
So they didn't necessarily break trend.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Just the feel for that game right now, I thought
disrupted some things that won't happen again. You only saw
him play two snaps against the Bengals, and he did
those well at work perfectly.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
I think they dial him back. I like Pittsburgh in
this game. Cleveland's playing better. I do not like the
six and a half. Yeah, it's Miles Garrett Key here
as well.

Speaker 5 (58:54):
Just watching him try to work his shoulder out oh
late in that game good point against the Denver Broncos
gave me some concerns because it was the shoulder last
year when Miles had his fall off and Steelers and
Browns fans.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
What if, hypothetically, what if both Miles Garrett and TJ.
Watt are good football players? Yeah, like we can, we
don't in both of them. I think I think they
will both try hard.

Speaker 5 (59:15):
I think I can only think of one instance be
motivated in his career where Miles Garrett didn't try as
hard as he possibly could.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
Uh much to the credit for Mason Rudolph there that
he didn't.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
But there's there's just such a high degree of difficulty
for this Browns team, and you see it in so
many different areas, especially in the passing attack where Jameis
is throwing those picks because these are all contested targets.
Yeah right, David Nijoku had an average separation of two
point four yards and he got seventeen targets.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
Nobody think he got that much. I mean he was blanketed. No, no,
no tight end has had that many targets since Travis
Kelce two years ago.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
And he made some tough catches.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
He did, but it's just it's.

Speaker 5 (59:55):
Asking a lot to do that consistently, and now you
got to do it against the Steelers defenses. I'm out
and see jamis play. Albeit nobody's really seeing things very
well in the snow, but it's a tough.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Ask, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
This is the portion of the show where we tell
you a little bit about AFC North hard knocks. This
division format might have some legs. It was fun seeing
a little Tomlin behind me and didn't see it. But great,
And this matchup here George Pickens denz Award doesn't get
much better than that. Let's give some credit to Art Smith.
Let's get a little more Arthur Smith than the hard knocks.

(01:00:29):
He's making it happen. Everyone will have to pick on
Art Smith when he was struggling. We got we got
c pat back there, Cordell Patterson and Warren and Najee Harris.
Obviously I'm thinking, like they're really working this backfield.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Maybe they do have enough weapons.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
They don't have wide receivers, but you got Friarmouth, you
got the running backs, you got Pickens. Like they got
enough on offense to maybe he'll get that one seed.
It's not even over.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
Oh, they they've got enough. Real quick do they show
the part? Because I was standing by the Steelers locker
room post game Sunday. First thing Tom One says, he
knows the NFL film Cruiser, Get this s get this
ish off.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
He he want to get that mic Ah. But then
he says, is Bootsie Collins here?

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Because boots he is from Cincinnati, right, A legend, the
legendary James Brown, Parliament Funkadelic, Bootsi's rubber band bass player.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
Where's Bootsy? I want to see Bootsie Collins? I was like,
what coach is coming off the field hollering for a
Pfunk All Star only Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
D Yeah, that's it. That's the only it did make
the show.

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
I did not watch the entire thing after it, I
watched the little part of it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
It's a lot going on. It's a busy time of
the year.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
I am gonna I'm gonna get through it. My son
woke up and watched it this morning. He's crazy. He
gets up at like five point thirty in the morning
and just starts watching something.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
Where do you get that from?

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
He said it was good. He said it was good.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
And that's a report that we can trump. Walker Rosenthal
knows ball.

Speaker 5 (01:01:51):
As we get to the Las Vegas Raiders, the self
proclaimed worst team in the NFL, giving the best team
in the NFL, A run for it's money if not
for a misstime snap in the final opportunity at the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who are six and a half point favorites.
The over under is forty six. It's on CBS, Buroudidas,

(01:02:12):
Adam Artielletta and Adid Kinkawala on the call, the Aid
and O'Connell revolution.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
Is it real, Steve? Do we get that version of
AOC two weeks in a row.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
If he throws the ball to Brock Bauers at every
every play because Bauer is just that good. No, I mean,
the Raiders are not going to win this ball game.
I like Tampa Bay at six and a half. The
Raiders are my favorite to have the first overall pick,
not the Giants. And then we're gonna see Tom Brady's
influence on this organization in the offseason. That's already where
I am when it comes to the Raiders, who's you
going to hire as coach? If they have the number

(01:02:42):
one pick? Where they're gonna do about the quarterback because
that's where they have to go Shadure. That'd be interesting.
It's being a little more fun to the Raiders organization.
But maybe Tom doesn't like that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
You just gave me a flash forward. So what we're
going to be talking about a lot and NFL Daily.

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
That'sh we're going.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
That's where we are there picking. It's gonna be top
five and they'll be in They'll be in that mix.
They nailed their first pick last year. I think they
wanted a quarterback. They didn't have a chance to take one.
And Brock Bowers deserves consideration for Offensive Player of the Year,
and now.

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
You offensive rookie or offensive player rookie.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Sorry, okay, although he's only fourth in receiving yards, like
among everyone, not just among rookies. I saw that and
I was like, wait a second, are they filtering it out?
It's Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, and then Terry McLaurin only
has Bowers by like eight yards or something. This kid

(01:03:39):
is is special and we've been saying he's the best
tight end in the league all season. So I'm feeling
I'm feeling validated after the numbers he's putting up the
last couple of weeks. They have some things I've liked
about their team. They're certainly competing our guy Jack Jones,
who was on the show. I swear he shows up
every week and is playing pretty well in coverage.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
Yeah he does. Yeah, it's a good play in.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Bucks are like, why are you just Bucks fans are like,
why are you talking about the Raiders?

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Where the relevant?

Speaker 5 (01:04:03):
Because we're gonna be talking about the Raiders. Okay, yeah
give them. This is the farewell to the Las Vegas versions.
But speaking of the Buccaneers, the incredible run that Mike
Evans is on to start his career with a thousand
yard seasons, We're sitting at five hundred and twenty one
yards right now. The remaining schedule is this game against

(01:04:25):
the Raiders and then the Chargers, the Cowboys, the Panthers,
and the Saints. Can Mike Evans get that four hundred
some odd yards to go over a k again?

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Yes, he looked like like Mike Evans always looks. Last
week they targeted him a lot. That's not a murderer's
row of defenses. It's really just the Chargers that are
a plus defense out of that group. So I think
he could do it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
I like the way they run the ball to Bucky Irving. Man,
He's that may hurt the cause.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Because that may hurt the cause right, but well could
set him up for some touchdowns, some fantasy points at
the very least.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Bucky Irving was a subject.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
If anyone listening subscribes to NFL Plus, we do NFL daily,
almost weekly. Every every couple of weeks we do a
little NFL Plus segment. We talked about rising second. You know,
units and Bucky Irving right now in that running game
is crazy. He he is second in the league in
terms of avoiding negative runs, which I give a lot
of credit to the offensive line. Then again, White is

(01:05:23):
one of the worst in the league at avoiding negative runs,
so it's not all offensive line.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
And then in terms of he's he runs.

Speaker 8 (01:05:28):
Sideways too much, so that's why thank you Guyshod White,
and he and Bucky Irving's second in the league in
terms of making people miss misstackles per run, so he
gets around guys that are in front of him, and
I would expect a lot of that in this game.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
They'd be a strong survivor pick too. Just saying yes,
but I do like, I do like our choice the Dolphins.

Speaker 5 (01:05:51):
Yeah, and Bucky Irving had those one hundred and forty
seven rushing yards against the Carolina Panthers defense who don't
see things get a whole lot easier because incomes the
NFL's leading rusher and my MVP candidate, say Kwan Barkley.
He and Jalen Hurts, an aj Brown and the Philadelphia
Eagles twelve point favorites at home against Bryce and these

(01:06:14):
resurgent Panthers over unders forty six Adam, I mean Mark
Sanchez and Christina pink on the call.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
Bryce has been making tight window throws. Greg, Well, what's
he do when there's no windows against Vic Fangio's squad.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
I think he makes the right decisions. I think he
stays aggressive and maybe that ends up with an interception
and in this game, because I don't think he's going
to go down without a fight, and I'm really curious.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Makes me want to watch this game.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
That number is big, but this is a much more
compelling game to me because of Bryce Young and everything
the Eagles are doing than a lot of these other games.
I think Bryce Young has evolved from oh that's a
nice story. I feel like it was a lot of
like Patty on the head, like oh wow, Like it's
really cool that he's he's making a career and like
this is nice for him too. This is one of
the bigger stories in the NIA. He was the number

(01:07:00):
one overall pick in the draft last year, and he
is playing at a level where it's not just hey,
like he might be in the midst to start next year.
It's like, hey, he might be awesome. And now it's
it's early, and so I don't want to you don't
want to put too much expectations, like you didn't want
to bury him too much early. But he is playing
at a level like PFF has him since Week nine
up there in the top five with with Herber and

(01:07:23):
Joe Burrow and Lamar. That's the level if you haven't
been watching him on a on a snap to staff basis.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
And so this isn't a really ultimate tests.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
He played Denver, which was a tough one to go against,
but this is another tough defense and so I'm really
curious how he'll look against him.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
But but he can have opportunities to make plays because
they're likely going to get behind pretty early based on
what that Eagles offense is going to do to this defense.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
So this is where he's going to be put to
the test.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
But you know, when we talk about players, you know
I mentioned Kate Nellis earlier that doesn't get enough conversations.
Zach Bond, linebacker for the Eagles, is another one. The
vig Fangio, Vig Fangio guysicg Fangio and Zimmer they came
up to get They find a player every year that
nobody's thinking of and gets them going. Now it hasn't
so much happened for Dallas this year, but in Zimmer's

(01:08:08):
history he has done that, you know. And so Zach
Bond and what he has brought to this linebacking unit
that was such a mess last season. And now Na
Kobe Dean is playing in a certain way and all
these other guys, Jordan Davis are playing in such a way.
This is why I mean, I think we got to
say the Eagles if the Lions slip up or whatever

(01:08:29):
and they get home field. The way this defense has
grown and played and has these young players playing with
their head on fire, that this is a very dangerous
Super Bowl contender.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Jalen Carter doesn't come off the field, which is crazy,
and he is on fire.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
The last month he was.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
He started the season playing like a very good football player,
but now he's playing at an all pro level. I
was racking my mind, and tell me if I'm just
forgetting someone. If I had an All Pro vote and
I don't and I can't get one that was confirmed
to me, Zach Bond is my first team linebacker. Fred
Warner would be another one. But I think those are
my top two unless I'm missing someone. That's how that's

(01:09:07):
how good he's been. He's Zach Bond's was great. I'm
racking my brain. I'm trying to try and who am
I missing late season Ernest Jones, No, I mean I've
taken bond Man that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
That dude is getting it done week after week. It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Tell me this, if Cooper Dejene had played the whole season,
would he be up for d R o Y Because
he has made a significant difference.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
I think he is now and he is now. Why not.

Speaker 5 (01:09:33):
Tough to Quinnon has been special? I mean they've both
been special first first.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
And fist and we got it confirmed there. There's gonna
be a full ballot now where I believe it's five
names or three names that all the voters vote for,
So Cooper Dejene probably should be on some of those
if we're going top five for sure, and and if
you want to put him in the top three that
that works.

Speaker 5 (01:09:57):
He's getting he's getting a boost by in my opinion,
the most routine play I've ever seen. I go to
I go to next Gen Stats to look this up
to get specific numbers. When Derek Henry catches that ball,
he's going seven miles an hour backwards with his back
to Cooper Degene who's coming at him at eleven miles
an hour directly towards him.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:17):
I mean, it's it's a fun play for people to
discuss because he scoops up Derek Henry. Yeah, but let's
the kid has been great.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
That plays one of his superpowers I think, and it
showed up in some splash plays like when he got
Jamar Chase down in the open field and fourth ten
is is recognition and working well with his teammates of
where to go on certain plays. And he did make
a good play on there, Like that's a play that
we've seen work for Baltimore where if you get get
it to Henry on the check down and he's got

(01:10:46):
a couple of yards of space that he ends up
getting that seven yards and the fact that there is
no separation is a credit to Cooper Degene even if
the tackle was more more routine. That is the kind
of positive plays he's made. He's been so good sticking
up for my guy and he's not my guy.

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
But no criticized.

Speaker 5 (01:11:02):
I'm just sayings other places where you could say he's
been great.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Right, he's been so good to We have not heard
anyone refer to him as sneaky athletic.

Speaker 5 (01:11:10):
Praise God, he's been back. I'll say a Jameis prayer
to get rid of sneak. And I think I think
we've we've we've almost done it. I think we've all
but eliminated it from the lexico. That would be great,
really used it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
It's a good lesson for kids that bullying works. Now
there's bad bullying. You don't want to, you know, but
just like in you gotta be smart enough to know
what is worth it. If you if you're just making
fun of people over and over for using a bad phrase,
that's acceptable bullying. I think it's just like verbal it's

(01:11:45):
kind hearted, but you're you're standing up on the right
side of history.

Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
Got someone got someone else for you too. I was
just going through.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
But you talk about the inside linebackers linebackers, does Frankie
Louvu breaking.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Oh, that's a good one. They're kind of similar to
because you think a lot of Louvu's value has come
from blitzing. Now that's not Bonn isn't all the way there,
but he's certainly closer to the line of scrimmage. It's
crazy how Vix had some of these linebackers over the year.
He had at one point was Amad Brooks on the
same team as Willison Bowm.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
Guess he was.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
AMoD Brooks was on those early teams. I think when
when Vick was there, when they had Justin Smith.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
And some of those guys, because I believe it was
fran duffy uh who was at all p h o
y who made the comp of Zach Bond to what
a mod Brooks used to do in vic vanjoz Offenson.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
I was like, that's pretty good comp.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
He likes to have that extra guy on the line
of scrimmage and Bonn isn't quite as big, but he's
he's a physical player and he's a hell of a player.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
That's a good one, though. Can you vote for three linebackers?
I think he can't. Is it two? Or three.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:12:49):
We change the rules before we go. Greg, Yeah, I
know it's against the Carolina Panthers. Is there anything Jalen
Hurts can do in this game to try to make
a case to get on the island?

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
Man there?

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
Yeah, hope for Uno.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
I think they might be too good with what they're
doing for him to get on it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Here was Greg's argument against because it was a very
short conversation when I brought it up.

Speaker 4 (01:13:14):
He's like, he's not the first player you think of
when you talk about their offense. Your MVP Patrick Saikwan
Barkley is well, I feel bad about it, but that
doesn't mean the quarterbacks, right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
I feel bad about that too, because I think if
you look at QB's, if you're doing the QB rankings
like Shook does every week, after you get past about
five or six, there's about another eight seven eight guys
playing at a really high, at high level.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
I think that's Hurts.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
I think last week's game actually was the perfect example
of why Hurts isn't on QB island. If you go
through the throws he made in that game, he didn't
have to do anything.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
He doesn't make money.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
It's not in his fault, but they were all just
these little like he didn't have to make any high
level throws in that game, and they beat one of
the best team in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
He's throwing the ball twenty four times a game, and
like I said, Sam Donald's storing at thirty eight, so
they're asking more.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Half of them are just smoke routes or the you know,
it's a little play action where you just it's first read,
throw it right away, and that's I think he's capable
of doing more.

Speaker 5 (01:14:15):
It's a fair point, yes, and that's why he's in
positions to make the decision to get the easy throws
because he can do more to defend more.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Okay, well, who would you have over him that that's
a conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
Why, yeah, that's not my right day. I do the
previous shows.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
That's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
People are like, people like, oh, I can't believe you
didn't mention Sean McDermott for Coach of the Year whatever.
It's like, okay, well, whore you taking off that list?
If you're going to say that, you got to take
someone off. It's it's not hard. It's courageous work that
we do here. It is as a panelists, analysts, whatever
you want to call it. Brave harts Man, we are.
We will be back on Thursday Night. One of the

(01:14:51):
best Thursday Night games of the entire season. I looked
at the list. It is the best primetime leave for
the rest of the season. Lions and Packers appreciate you, Steve,
appreciate Patrick as always. You can check us out on
game debut by the way, too, on under our Network.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
That's fun. There we go.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
It's look when we're bringing Micah Hide back into the mix,
like we might as well bring Tyrod Taylor.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
And Kyle Williams. You know, football is back.

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