August 27, 2025 • 56 mins
Gregg Rosenthal and Jourdan Rodrigue look ahead and make their predictions for the 2025 NFL award winners. First, Gregg and Jourdan get caught up on the news from around the NFL post cutdown day including Adam Thielen getting traded to the Vikings (01:45) and an update on Micah Parsons' back injury (15:05). After the break, Gregg and Jourdan tell you who they think will win MVP (19:00), Defensive Player of the Year (22:30), Offensive Player of the Year (27:00), Coach of the Year (30:20), Offensive and Defensive Rookie of the Year (34:40), and Protector of the Year (41:20). Finally, the show is wrapped up with a special visit from Nick Wesseling (43:00).
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we are celebrating Shohei Otani
fifty to fifty Bobblehead Day, also known as my brother
Dean Rosenthal's birthday, also known as Nick Westling Day. Here
on the show, joined by Jordan rod Rieg and Yes,
Nick will be coming up a little later to give
some award predictions twenty twenty five season predictions. After we
(00:29):
go through all the awards, Jordan and reveal for the
first time, who's gonna win every single one of them?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yeah, because we are totally We're going to be so
right on all of them.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
You never know.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
And I do look at this exercise as one where
you can kind of like, like, Okay, who are some
underdogs that maybe we're not picking, but that if you're
into those sort of things, you could circle.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Especially the rookie ones. I love doing these rookie projections too, Like,
this is so fun for me.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
It's also a great feeling because we have been reviewing
the season on some level for six months. Eric is
just nodding his head back there, and now we're at
the point where it's like, Okay, we actually have reached
the final prediction predictions of the season. So yeah, We're
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gonna have a couple episodes next week on forties and
free agents, where we go through the teams most likely
we think to win the Super Bowl and talk about
playoff teams and all that sort of stuff. But we'll
start our preview, you know, just conventionally today with the awards,
and then next Tuesday it's going to be very unconventional
when Colleen Wolf joins us.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yes see dark arts. What are we calling it?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
The dark darkly Chaotic Awards season.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I love the darkness that's going to come. But first
we do have some news. So we did the show.
It feels like just a few hours ago with all
the cuts all around the league. It really was just
a few hours ago. But there are already been waiver
claims all around the league, so that those claims come quick.
They were at noon eastern nine here on the West Coast,
there were twenty nine waiver claims throughout the league. Everyone's
(02:03):
putting together their practice squad and it was kind of
the deadline for teams to get some trades done. And
we did finally get that Adam Thielen trade done, so
get to the waiver claims. But Adam Feelin is going
back to the Minnesota Vikings for a couple pickswaps like
a seventh to a fifth and a fifth to a fourth.
Ultimately not a huge price, and he gives that receiver
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room so much needed depth.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Yeah, I mentioned on the show that we just taped
a few hours ago, that it's very clear that Minnesota
was stockpiling some of these late middle and later round
picks in future current in future years to pile towards something.
And obviously this has been in the works for a while.
You mentioned it where or smoke there's fire. We did
record that, so like close to the recording of this episode,
(02:49):
we still had enough time for somebody to get personally
offended that I did not claim ownership of Adam Thielen
and messaged me about this. Oh, you're underrating Adam Feelin.
I'm like, I think he's a good player. I think
he I think he works really really well with the Viking.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
You guys are getting a lot of Adam Thieling heat.
Maybe it's the same guy Eric noticed in the YouTube.
Someone was very fired up that we're giving Adam Thielen
too much coverage and ultimately.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Uh, what's the Adam feeling? Meridians people are really would
from us fired up.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Here's why I would talk about him slightly more than
a normal aging receiver who's I think, not a depth piece.
He's he's going to be their number three receiver when
Jordan Adison is back, but he's absolutely their number two receiver.
And it's a cliff I really just and I know
Jalen Naylor is not healthy right now, but I think
he is much better. He was great on a per
snap efficiency level basis last year, Like if you watched him,
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he was outstanding, and he was really good the year before.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
We'll see what if what the contract adjustment is.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And yeah, the Carolina Panthers are the ones though that
are moving up in the draft here. Uh to be clear,
but the Vikings didn't have to give up any draft capital.
Well really, they just give up a couple moves down
in the draft so they keep as many picks as
they had.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
It tells me they like obviously t Mac being their tet.
They really really appreciate that he's going to emerge.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
As their one.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
This to me, also, the Panthers showed the Panther's confidence
in like a Jalen Coker for example, who they really
like in the building and comfortability enough to move on
from a player who was really solid for them, who
was trustworthy, who was a great presence to have for
Bryce Young. But this is the right thing, I think
for both sides because he not only is he from
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Minnesota and he's moving back, and there's a really great
video circulating right now that I think the Vikings shared
out of him learning the news of this and telling
his family and it's like the things you love to see.
And he fits right into this offense immediately, and they
needed immediate help there because of their depth issues. And
this is a low pressure role for him, like you
mentioned Greg, because he'll just go back to being the
three and the safety net once once you know the
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injured guys and suspended guys come back.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
And I do want or just in terms of where
JJ McCarthy wins, like if JJ in terms of Jefferson
is gonna have as much volume this year because I
think JJ McCarthy is at his best, you know, throwing
the ball short, throwing the ball over the middle.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
That's where Adam Thielen can win.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
And you mentioned Jalen Cocher, an undrafted rookie last year,
will now be their starting slot receiver Hunter Renfro did
not make that team. It sounds like they're trying to
bring him back to the practice squad. He was a
little banged of a man. That is a really young
receiver group for Bryce Young. I like that, but I'm
a little wary that Teteroa McMillan first round pick, and
then Xavier Lagette and Jalen Cocher, two second year players,
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are the starting receivers for Young. Let's move on to
the other big item that wasn't a trade this morning.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Rare Sheee Rice got to spend.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
That Adam Thalen enough time?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Do you think that was maybe too much time?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Okay, we missed our Meridian Dan that I.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Would believe would be too much time. But as always,
never read the comments. Rashee Rice suspended six games. There
was a report earlier in training camp that believed that
this might get delayed. In the end, I think he
ended up taking the six game suspension or they came
to an agreement. So it will be the first six
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games of the season, which is a very difficult part
of the schedule for the Chiefs, but add some certainty
for them. They will be playing the Ravens early in
the season and they will be pay playing Kyle Hamilton,
who just got a big new contract five years, twenty
five million dollars on average on the extension of the
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five year extension and eighty two million dollars guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
And you could see with his movement last season how
much that impacted and affected that defense. He has been
a plus two plus three player for that defense since
he got there. But inclusive to what zach Or did
last year the defensive coordinator of the Ravens and moving
Kyle Hamilton around and like maximizing his talent, his savviness,
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his knowledge of the game, and also the way he
can manipulate space really well, it just was a win
win and I love this for him. I think this
is awesome. He's one of my favorite players in the NFL.
I know a lot of us who love football love
watching Kyle him.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, one of those guys that fell further in the
draft and it was like, oh, how do you let
him get to the Ravens. Well, if you knew he
was so good, why didn't you.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Just take him.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Everyone loved Kyle Hamilton coming out, and then he really
did become that dude, I knew. I was struggling, like
coming up with how long the contract is because it's
a four year extension. Yeah, but it's a he already
he still had two years left on his deal because
he had the fifth year option left on a deal.
So that's actually a six year contract, which means he's
signed through twenty thirty. Just big picture. I have noticed
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after the league was getting into this trend of these
compressed contracts again, a lot of the big name players
lately they're getting extended back out to the old days,
and which it basically means the Ravens are going to
control Kyle Hamilton's entire career in his rights. With this,
he is giving up basically any freedom in terms of
ever leaving the Ravens, and he'll try to read negotiate
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at some point for the idea of getting paid earlier
and sooner and a very fair contract.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
So win win. Let's go to another trade.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Tim Patrick is going to the Jaguars for a sixth
round pick, which means it is Isaac Taslaw season in Detroit.
Little surprising though that they gave up on the receiver
depth there.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
And Liam Cohen gets his Robert Woods circa like two
nineteen twenties era, Like this is exactly what the Jaguars
are trying to build out with this offense, and I
think that's a perfect fit. And yes, it does pave
the way for Isaac Teslaw to truly emerge the way
that Brad Holmes and company believed that he would when
they spent the draft pick on him.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Little Warry and but Tim Patrick is going to go
there as a guy who's like adding depth. They had
a big cliff after Travis Hunter and Parker Washington where
they didn't love like their wide receiver four or five.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
And Hunter's not a full time.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Receiver block I mean that Liam Cohen wants is blocking.
I mean this is very odd. Yes, it's like very
clear to me what offense Lam Cohen is trying to run.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
The only red flag would be I listened to Colton
Pouncy your colleagues, Yeah podcast, Welcome to Detroit. You know
they mentioned maybe he hadn't had the best training camp
in the world. And sometimes you do assume that these
guys just stay the same year after he is thirty
one years old, He's had some major injuries in his career,
Like it's possible. He's not the same Tim Patrick he
was a couple of years ago. But to me, this
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was more about Isaac Taslat just needed to be put
on the field, and so if Patrick wasn't going to
get as much playing time, then you might as well
deal him away. One thing I wanted to note, there
was no nothing new that happened in the last twenty
four hours. But like Quinjohn Juggins, the second round pick
who was accused of domestic violence and eventually the charges
(09:47):
were dropped, still has not signed a contract with the Browns,
and there's no clarity from the league or the Browns
or anyone with Judkins what is happening there, But he
is technically there's unsigned and we're waiting to see. So
I just wanted to say that going into Week one,
they only had a couple running backs on their roster
after fifty three man cutdown, but they did claim Rocket
(10:10):
Sanders from the Chargers. The Chargers had three players claimed,
so that they added a running back in Rocket Sanders
from the Chargers. The Bills brought back Jordan Poyer just
kind of like good vibes, you know, guy who was
like a cornerstone piece of everything.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
That they have done.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
You know, not the same player he was years ago.
Struggled a little bit with the Dolphins, but he's back
with the Bills. And I mentioned the waiver claims. Yeah,
twenty nine of them, and we can just run through
a few quick Tommy CUTLTZ is a member of the Patriots.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Wow. I don't know who could have seen that coming.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I mean, I couldn't have right, Tommy DeVito.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
He stays in the Northeast, you know, like that's kind
of where my mind went.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
It's a tough My mind went immediately that.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Mike Rabel has a fun guy to get beers with.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
He's gonna be one of the most popular players on
the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
And I feel for Josh Dobbs. You don't want to
be the pastor dot.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
You don't want to be the backup quarterback in New England,
specifically when Tommy DeVito is the third stringer like Josh
Dobbs is not going to be a popular guy there.
The Patriots also released Kendrick Bourne, which is really interesting,
and released Javon Baker, which is interesting. So they had
eight receivers make their initial fifty three man roster, which
is a crazy number.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
I think they were just saying if someone would come
get Kendrick Bourn Vietree specifically.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I think they were in a stare down with the
forty nine ers trying to get like a conditional seventh
because there is already reporting that the forty nine ers
are interested. But they were like, we can live without him, honestly,
if you really are going to hold out, like we're
just gonna, you know, call your bluff.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
And it worked a vverable. Shanahan's staredown is like walking
on the surface of the sun, like not for me.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Did Yeah, I would not want to be part of that,
just the amount of intensity.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I do think Kendrick Bourne.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Is probably better than some receivers on that roster. I
think he can still play if he's healthy. It was
partly a contract thing and he was not going to
be part of their future. Javon Baker should be back
on their practice squad. Marcus Valdes Scantting, by the way,
who he mentioned one that unofficial award for the most
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guaranteed money not to make his actual team, is joining
the forty nine ers as well. I don't know if
it's going to be MVS and Kendrick Bourne but it's
definitely mvs. Juju Brents went to the Dolphins second round pick,
no surprise there. So they've added Razuell Douglas and Juju
brent in recent days to what was a pretty bad
cornerback room. Trey Palmer, the former Buck, went to the Saints.
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The Titans claimed four players. They were the team that
claimed the most. I think the only one over too while.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Which makes sense. They're rebuilding.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, the Rams had the most players claimed. You don't
really want to be that team with four players claimed?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, because you can't.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
You couldn't keep all your players the other guy wanted,
you know, and there's not enough roster spots, not enough
practice squad spots, and other teams had high grades on
some of these guys who ended up signing. The reason
why undrafted free agents too signed with the Rams is
because they play them. You know, at least one makes
the roster every year, and that guy usually plays meaningful snaps,
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and so other teams who may have had them high
on their boards in the undrafted free agency process are
now coming to get them on waivers. I think it's
I think it's great for those players.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
It's great for Willie Lampkin going to the Eagles.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
The most quintessential, like we could have seen this coming
a mile away.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
That well, I think if the Rams saw it coming,
they would have kept them, because I just have a
feeling that this one hurts. So it's it's an undersized
center who looked great in the preseason but got hurt,
and they tried to pass them through waivers because it's
tough to keep an undrafted guy who's who's hurt at
the time on your active roster, and the Eagles, of
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all teams, claimed them, And we're just gonna have to
like say it with me, you got it?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
How he did it again? See we got it this time.
We'll see if he actually did I'm.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Saying we all it's like we're screaming into the void
watching this guy hit waivers.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
It's gonna be the Eagles. It's gonna be there. Someone
will come to get this guy.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Don't expose them to waivers, but I will say kind
of had to because they brought back Coleman Shelton right,
and then Bo Limmer started for them last season and
he's still on the roster as.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
The bat right and he was hurt Lampkin, So it
just would have kicked someone off that actually would have
had a role, and that's tough. Jalen armor Davis, by
the way, who I think is a pretty good cornerback
from the Ravens, was one of the Titans claims. It
is interesting looking like who gets claimed the most. You
would think it'd be like the best rosters in the league.
So the Chargers had three people claimed, the Ravens had
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three people claimed, the Broncos had a couple, the Chiefs
had a couple. But then there were some wild ones
like what's going on in New Orleans, Like something's wrong
that two of your players is getting are getting claimed
around the league and the Colts and the Jag said
two players claimed as well. Okay, that's what I thought
was enough of news. But as we're taping, we do
have some breaking news. At least as we're taping. Jane
(15:19):
Slater reports that Micah Parsons is getting a second opinion
on his back. Per a source informed with the situation,
it's just like the next little step, I don't know
breaking might have been.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
So does that mean he will be away away from
the team through that process because he's been there this
whole time?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Does that mean he's traveled like, that's my question. Is
he traveling.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Somewhere to go see go see a specialist? He so
that that would mean he's away from the team at
that point.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
There is a picture of him in the airport. He
also was not seen, according to Cowboys reporters at practice
on Tuesday, which was a change and people were wondering.
And previously Cowboys owner Garry Jones had said, you know,
the back's fine. You know the back it checked out fine,
And now he's getting a second opinion. It's all very tiresome.
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There was a report by Pro Football Talk that had
a source that said there's some level of interest from
the Packers and Michael Parsons, but you know, qualifying saying
that it's nothing too much.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
We'll see.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
My colleague Matt Schneidman, a great follow on social media,
is having so much fun with this today.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
You guys should just go check out okay posting. Yeah,
there's some funny.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Good plug.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah, let's take a quick break and when we come back,
we are going to go through all the big awards,
the MVP, the Defensive Player of the Year, the Offensive
Player of the Year. I've now kind of turned around
and now I appreciate that award again back in a
few and then we'll have Nick Westling at the end
of the.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Show back on NFL Daily.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
And yeah, tapping relatively early because I got to get
out in those traffic filled week day streets downtown and
get to that show.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Hey Otani, bobblehead day.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
It's a big day.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
But the teams are starting announce the practice squads, Like
I know they're bigger, but there's something crazy when I
just see, like the Steelers announce sixteen guys to the
practice squad. It is great because you are keeping not
only some young players developing, but Robert Woods, for instance,
like staying in the league, getting a decent check and
you might get the call up. So he was among
the sixteen guys there. You see a lot of familiar names.
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If if you're into that sort.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
You know this is like a little inside baseball. But
do you know what's really great for guys on the
final years of their career who know that they are
not going to maybe contribute so much, they're going to
be on a practice squad is like an emergency depth
option in certain areas. So when you play a game
in another state, you're taxed by that state. You're on
a practice squad, and you're getting the check, you are
taxed in the original area. Like he's kind of he's saving,
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you know, he's saving on some taxes here with that.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
With that, we couldn't it couldn't. Couldn't it cost you more?
Though too if you live in like California and you know, yeah, exact.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Florida exactly, like so you know, it's it's a you know,
But for him, I mean, I don't really know what
the tax is in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Why would I don't know. Taxes are a very confusing thing.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
The awards are not They're the same every year, just about,
but we've added one this year. We are going to
go through all the awards that the Associated Press votes
on MVP, Defensive Player of the Year, Offensive Player of
the Year, Coach of the Year, Offensive Rookie of the Year,
Defensive Rookie of the Year, and now Protector of the Year.
That's an official award, helped along by Andrew Whitworth and
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lots of offensive linemen who just wanted more attention. And
maybe I'll ask you for an Assistant Coach of the
Year too. That's my favorite one because I looked at
the odds for these you know, we're we're not sponsored,
so I'm not even going to say where who, but
you know, just for context, like people were ranked and stuff.
I was curious about the odds. But Assistant Coach of
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the Year is the one that they don't list anything for.
So it's like they I don't know if they just
don't care or they don't recognize it, but they do
give out an award NFL honors. Your MVP for twenty
twenty five is.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Patrick Mahomes, first of all, because I don't think this
like little micro slump that he's in lasts much longer.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Something's got to break.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
I really believe in some of the moves they've made
along their offensive line.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
We'll talk about Josh Simmons here in a.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Cover cool, but I just think this can't he can't
sustain like in this cage that he's been in, right
in terms of his passing and all of that, and
on the run so often, and I just think he
just goes sicko mode this year in some cases. Now,
I don't know that the Chiefs are going to be
that super Bowl team or that that deep playoff run team,
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But I do believe that Patrick Mahomes something in him
will snap. Travis Kelcey kind of being slimmer, being back
into like kind of his Maybe this is his swan song.
You know, got a nice little life waiting for him
at the end of all of that.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I just think there's something.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
About this that feels like that he's going to break
back out this year as the quarterback we know.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Him to be.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
We did it separately and we ended up on the
exact same page. And I know people are a little
sick of Patrick Mahomes now. He is only the fourth
favorite to win MVP, but they're all pretty close. Lamar,
Josh Allen, Joe Burrow are just ahead of him. Lamar
is like a slight favorite. I just think there's just
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a vibe. I shouldn't let the preseason matter, but I
had it already. The offensive line is better, I think
the weapons are better. But I just think he is
ready to remind everyone who he is. Stop being not
an efficient, effective player, but an exciting player, like one
of the best players that we've ever seen. And I
just think this is the year that'll happen. Now, you
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mentioned you're not sure if they're going to win the
Super Bowl or go far well, they have to have
a great record for him to win the MVP. Almost
every MVP is from a one or a two seed,
and it's almost always a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
I'm not burying yet by any means.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I just mean, like a lot of times it comes
down to who has what team has the best record.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Now, it didn't happen last year.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Obviously the Chiefs and the Lions were at the very
top and they weren't in the MVP mix. But you
basically have to have like a top two or three
seed to get there. If I was looking at dark horses,
and yeah, like when you look at Aaron Rodgers' career,
by the way, and Tom Brady, these guys who will
win it four or five times, which I think can happen.
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In Brady only won it three times, but I think
that can happen. It's like, yeah, it doesn't happen every year.
Like you have to go in these little dips and
then you pop back up. And I think the narrative
of mahomes this year becoming exciting again, becoming a big playmaker,
and it just makes sense to me that people will
be ready to vote for them if you were looking
for some longer shots plus two thousand right now, only
seventh on the list, But Jalen Hurts is a pretty
(21:51):
strong one if you're looking for a team that would
have a good record. He was very close to winning
an MVP just a couple of years ago. And then
Dak Prescott is buried around like fourteenth, fifteenth among players
plus four thousand. You know, last healthy season, he was
right in the MVP mix, literally came in second. So
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I think he would be another one if you were
like looking for value and looking for someone maybe not
as obvious.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Yeah, but you're talking about team record in the same
breath as like Mahomes and all of that stuff. I
assume that's why he's being buried because people are really
skeptical about the Coulture overall.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Right, Yeah, they would have to surprise.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
You would need like a twelve and five season in
Dak Prescott just having crazy numbers. But I think they'll
be a pass first offense. I don't think it's crazy.
I do think they will get a big award though.
I'm going Michael Parsons Defensive Player of the Year, And
this is part of my strategy is I've picked him
Defensive Player of the Year every year for the last
three years, basically since his rookie year, and I just
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think he will win one and I will be right eventually.
How did he He ended up finishing in the thirties
of the top one top one hundred players on NFL network.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
That was crazy to me. I couldn't actually under rated.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
People don't like him. I think maybe that.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
It's like his colleagues, that's who's voting on the on
those awards in these locker rooms. That was kind of
crazy to me because these guys, the football players no
football obviously, so there's something there's some other maybe they
wanted to give other veteran players more priority or whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
The mic of things interesting to me.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
I like this pick, but I have to say i'm
because this is still unresolved because he hasn't practiced.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Because of all this, I have no.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Reason to believe that he won't need a little bit
of a ramp up period.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Now.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
He could be playing dominant football by any metric by
the time voters are having this fresh in their heads.
So that's why I think it's a solid pick, and
he probably is pretty good.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Odds he did miss four games last year, and you
never know when these ballots go out, So.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Maybe it was what Terry Jones said.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Maybe it was like a lot of ballots were out
like while he was out, and then those people they
just don't vote for him. There He finished second as
a rookie and Defensive Player of the Year, which is crazy.
Twenty one rookie was a first team Opera was second
in Defensive Player of the Year as a second year player.
So I was, you know, I've been close, and he
was third in his third year. Last year was the
one time, you know, he really didn't get consideration. But
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I've said it before on the show, say it again.
The best pure pass rusher to come in the league,
I believe this century. Like of the last twenty plus years,
I think von Miller would be another one that pops
to my mind, but just pure pass rusher. So I
think we'll get it eventually, no matter what team he's on,
I'm willing to entertain it's on another team, who.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Do you got?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
I was torn because I wanted to pick Micah Parsons,
but all of this still being influx to me unresolved,
I just I went another direction, riding the wave of
his Defensive Rookie of the Year award. I think Jared
Verse has a real shot whoa defensive Player of the Year.
When you watch his tape game over game and you
see the amount of pressure he got, but the number
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of sacks that he left on the board, and knowing
you know his personality, knowing the group around him as well,
that is quite literally built to set him up for success.
I just think that this guy is going to have
another dominant season and he's going to be in the conversation.
I don't know what his odds are, but I know
that he's going to be in the conversation.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Shockingly, Hi, I would not have expected this because you
to me, I heard that. I think that's that's wild.
He's actually the sixth favorite. Now it's still pretty long shot.
Plus fifteen hundred. Micah is the favorite. So I didn't
know that either Aiden Hutchinson, T J. Watt, Miles Garrett.
A lot of times it is a pastor has.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
A shot at this too, honestly, I think. But you know, we.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Rightfully so are not doing the dumb award comeback Player
of the Year that nobody can seem to agree on
because a guy literally returned from death and still did
not win the award a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
But Aiden Hutchinson is probably gonna win that award.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
And now did they even define that it's just coming
back from injury? We're not gonna bother comeback player the Year.
I here because it's like a weird sliding scale, like
who is the best? But how hard was the injury?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
It's stupid.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Jared Verse, that's interesting looking at some longer shots. I
don't know if you like anyone. Jalen Carter is ninth
on the list. If you are looking, it's pretty hard
for a defensive tackle to win the award. That's some
good respect, though, unless you're unless you're Aaron Donald.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
We were riding the table for Dexter Lawrence for a
little bit last year because his production, despite being on
a terrible team, was absolutely in the conversation early on,
especially for Defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
You know, I think Max Crosby is a guy who
you know, he's eighth listed as eighth basically tied with
Verse plus sixteen hundred. Isn't that crazy? And then we'll
get to Abdulla Carter. But if you wanted to go
crazy if you were picking a position where a rookie
can come in and possibly win an award like this.
Michael Parsons almost did it. We have seen you Von
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Miller was outstanding as a rookie. We have seen pass
rushers come in. He's all the way down at plus
five thousand, tied with Kirby Joseph. I mean that's crazy,
Like fifteen twenty players down the list.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
He would be an interesting one. But we'll put a
pin in that.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Let's do Offensive Player of the Year, an award that
I used to refuse to answer on NFL dot Com
when we have to submit all of our picks, by
the way that you'll be checking them out at NFL
dot com soon. I did answer those questions this year,
but now I'm back in because it's basically the non
quarterback award. I just don't like it when they give
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it to the second best quarterback, which is what happens
a lot of times too.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Yeah, but it's turned out to be really handy, especially
when you have a season like Saquon Barkley had last year.
I think it's unfortunate for my pick to win it
this year that he happened to win the Triple Crown
last season, the same year Saquon Barkley quite literally made
history as a running back. Jamar Chase, I think, is
my Offensive Player of the Year pick this year. I
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think that sometimes we see voters sort of correct things
in advance. I'm not saying it was incorrect that Saquon
won it, but I know that Jamar was frustrated he
didn't get more votes.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
That was sort of a headline months ago.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
And I do think that he is someone who is
deserving and should be on pace to have another incredible season.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yeah, it's it's tough.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I mean, like winning a triple Crown doesn't get any
better than that.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I know. It's like that, again, are very small, I know,
and it's one of the best. It's like in history.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
So few people have actually done that, but Steve Smith
and then it was Cooper Cup in twenty twenty one,
and then Jamar Chase.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
And it's just crazy to me that these receivers are
able to do this, first of all, And I don't
want to hear about the oh there's an extra game,
Oh my god, Like I don't want to hear about that,
and that.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Doesn't affect the triple Crown. Because you're just it's all.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
A production and it's production.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
It's production based, and so that's where I'm like, Okay,
I I think that Saquan was so deserving of that
award last year. I know that even some people were
arguing that he should be the MVP, especially because what
he did for the entire Eagles as an organization. It
certainly as an offense. But it's hard when you are
up your Jamar and you're you have literally an historic
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like one of only a few people have ever achieved
what you achieved in history, and you finished second in offensive, you.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Finished third Lamar Jackson when ahead of thirds. That's why
I don't like this award. And that's why when I
was looking at the odds, if I was looking for
some of the longer shots to do it, like I
would love Jalen Hurts for Offensive Player of the Year
because he could end up being that like second quarterback
gets it. Josh Allen is like plus six thousand, you know,
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Patrick Mahomes is way down there below, like lad mcconky
or Jackson Smith, Thenjigba and Jonathan Taylor, and like I
could easily see them coming in second at the top
it's the guys from last year, Saquon and Jamar Chase.
I'm going to take the third favorite to win it
as my pick, which is Jamiir Gibbs. I just feel
like he's gotten better at football every single season, and
the situation is not as good in front of him overall,
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so that's a little bit of a concern. But I
just think in terms of his skill set, this is
to me the year in a running backs career that
I can just see it all coming together in him
having a twenty four to twenty five hundred yards from
scrimmage type of Banana's season. That's a that's lofty right
into the show, but maybe even twenty one year, you
know you're scrimmage, that would do it. So yeah, if
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you were looking for a really deep sleeper, Travis Hunner
is way down there. Just saying people like voting for that.
All right, let's let's do Coach of the Year. This
is giving away maybe a team that you think is
going to be good, but it's time to do that.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
It's it's the week before the season.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Yes, And this award, I want to be clear, usually
goes to coaches who outperform expectations. I think we can
agree that like the Andy Reids of the world, should
win this award every single season, but that's just not
how the voters think about this. And so I'm going
with Mike Vrabel here, not only because he does have
plenty of friends in the media.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
But oh but also I like this angle.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
But also because I believe that he, as the head
coach of the Patriots, will lead that team to vastly outperforming,
if not at least extremely outperforming the expectations entering the season,
especially relative to the disaster that it was last year,
the absolute destruction that the roster was in that he inherited,
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and the fact that they have to rebuild basically three
draft classes, and so you're gonna have to out coach
and outperform the talent that you have and the depth,
especially the lack of depth that they have. And I
think if Mike Rabel can do that. I'm not saying
that this is a playoff team per se, but I
think that if he can do that.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
If well, they got to be a playoff team for
him to make any chance to win this.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
I'm just saying I think that if they look if
they look good, if they lose close games and they
and they win enough of them. I think he is
a front runner.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
For Coach of the Year.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Their expectations, though, are sneaky high, like they're over unders
eight and a half. Everyone's perdicting them to make the playoffs.
I'm a little anxious when I see that. I've seen
some of the predictions coming out this week. I think,
on average, they are probably going to get picked to
make the playoffs, where they're like a consensus six or
seven seed someone if some team had to. Obviously a
lot of people disagree, but I'm seeing them get there,
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and Vegas is there with them too, and they have
on paper one of, if not the easiest schedules in
the entire league. So to me, for him to win
this award, they'd have to win at least ten or
eleven games, maybe more, and that would be the only
way too vastly exceed expectations. The expectations locally and nationally
are like nine to eight at worst.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
You know, I'm really not talking about the expectations that
like Vegas is placing on them, or the consensus.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Odd I'm really not talking about.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
I mean the people though, like that, how people think
the voters you.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Know I'm talking about what this team will look like
relative to what it looked like last year. I don't
think he has to win ten or eleven games to
be a front runner for this job.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
I do because I just think the expectations from the
voters are going to be so high that people think
that they're a playoff team, or at least a borderline
playoff team. I went for a more under the radar
guy in terms of the odds, but not much more.
Rabel's the second favorite. Aaron Glenn is the fourth favorite.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
I could see it.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
He's someone where if they just won nine games, would
have a chance at this award. Call it the Dick
Jeron like memorial of like, you know, just a guy who,
like what the Bears won that many games.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Actually he won a ton of games.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
He might have won like thirteen when he won Coach
of the Year, but just totally exceeds expectations because the
Jets are expected to be one of the worst teams
in the league. And when I'm saying like the Vegas
odds and using that as a framework, I think it
is useful because it's ultimately just a reflection of the
average person and how they're seeing it as well, and
ultimately how the media is seeing it as well, and
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everyone has the Jets buried, and so I think if
they come out and they're just competitive and you can
see the fighting spirit that they have and they just
look so different from an offensive perspective, and then just
play hard on defense and they win nine games, I
could see him winning.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
It's funny because that's literally what I just said about
the Patriots, except the market is so different, and the I.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Agree, I think they should be the same. I am
with you that I I.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Just think it's I just think it's funny. That tells
you exactly how different the expectations in the markets are relatively.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Part of it was the Patriots spent a ton of
money in free agency and the Jets didn't, and people
just pay attention to that, but I think they don't
realize how much they had to overcome. Ben Johnson is
the favorite right now for Coach of the Year. Liam
Cohen is up there. It is often a guy in
the first year of his new spot. Pete Carroll is
up there as well, like Canalist Mike McDonald. We can
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be the change, though, I want that freaking AP vote.
Give me the vote. I voted Andy Reid last year
to end the season, I thought he was my coach
of the Year because I did not think that was
like a great Chiefs team, and the way they got
through that regular season was like an absolutely incredible coaching job.
Let's do Offensive Rookie of the Year and Defensive Rookie
of the Year.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
You might be surprised my mind. Actually, this is a
volume pick.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
I think that this player is going to be needed
and utilized so immediately that his volume of catches, of
snaps of carries is going to be so significant that
he'll just stay in the collective conscious for the entire
season and become a true weapon for this team.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
It's Trevion Henderson.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
I think that the Patriots rookie running back Travion Henderson
could be the offensive Rookie of the Year. And that's because,
in part, he will be so urgently needed that there
is no choice but for him to have to produce.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Reminder Stevenson's out there and like, hey, I'm one of
the highest paid running back for.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Lead in every phase.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
I think this guy's going to be on the field
way more than maybe people expected when they got drafted.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
I think that's right, and I think he's a great
value too. I'm surprised he's sixth on the list. He's
plus fourteen hundred if you're curious. Genty with the Raiders, Ashton,
Denty and cam Ward are way ahead of the pack
as potential favorites, which makes me way happier to pick
Travis Hunter, who's fourth on the list.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
I wanted to pick him so bad because I believe
so much in him, and I wanted to pick him
so bad, but I thought about volume, and I thought about, yeah,
how many how much? You know, all of this is
gonna maybe be in Travon Henderson's favor in terms of
having to produce.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
And that's why I need the season to start, because
I just keep making the same points where like I
don't buy that long term, but that is the logical assumption,
Like he's not getting that many snaps, they're going to
work them in slowly. That all makes sense to me.
I believe in his talent enough that like by week
three or four, which is basically the whole season, he
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can be getting that volume that he's a better prospect
than Brian Thomas Junior was a year ago, Like he
can have a better season. He can be better than
Brian Thomas Junior is right now. So I am not
only taking him for Offensive Rookie of the Year. I'm
having him pull the Daily Double. Let's go Defensive Rookie
of the Year. He wins him both. He blows absolutely
everyone's mind. He's a much longer shot to win Defensive
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Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Because because he won't be playing defense all the defensive
and he won't be rushing the passer.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Right, It's gonna be very tough, but it is a
narrative award sometime, and if he goes out there and
he gets four or five interceptions and he's a baller,
and people just get swept up in the Magic of
the Baseball Show.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Hey Otani.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
He's actually only fifth in terms of the odds of
Defensive Rookie of the Year, way behind the favorite, Abdull Carter.
But he's plus thirteen hundred, so it's not that crazy.
I'm doing the Travis Hunner Daily Double.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
I want this to happen. I really want badly for
this to happen.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Colley, I still picked Abdul Carter to win Defensive Rookie
of the year. But the story that you're the picture
that you're painting, Greg want.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
I partially didn't pick him just because I figured you
were picking him, and he is the most logical pick,
probably the right pick, but it.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Didn't but I like what you did.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
It didn't feel as.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Fun and on a real level, like if I was
just looking at value or whatever, like Abdull Carter is
favored to win Defensive Rookie of the Year more than
anyone is favored to win any award, which it does
make sense to me, but that's that's not as fun.
And if you're into these sort of things, and I
know you're not, you know, there's there's less of a
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return there. Yeah, and I'm obviously not. But we are
allowed to pick games and pick guys like this. You know,
we have a whole show Game Debut where we pick
games and pick scores every week. That the list a
Defensive Rookie of the Year is crazy. Jalen Walker is
second at plus nine fifty. He's like fourth on their
edge group, So that's terrible.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Mikel.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Williams just doesn't seem like a guy that is going
to put up numbers.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Is third.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Mike Green of the Ravens. I guess he's a pass rusher,
is fourth, like Johad Campbell would maybe be the other one.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Other than that would be my sleeper because I am
there there's some magical potential of Johad Campbell in this Eagles.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
He's plus fifteen hundred and he's sixth on the list,
and yet these awards usually go to pass rushers and linebackers. Ye,
so Johad Campbell could apps get that quickly on assistant
coach because we've got Nick Westley.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Yeah, I'm good, ready to go.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
I'm going Jesse Minter on assistant Coach the Year because
I think he's going to take this Chargers defense and
from out coaching maybe a little bit of a talent
dearth and getting them to produce to a second year
of the system doing things a little bit differently than
others in that coaching tree do. And he's getting a.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Lot of buzz already in these sort of circles that
talk about who might be head coaching, you know, on
the head coaching radar in the twenty twenty six cycle.
So I do think that Jesse Minter would be a
top choice of mine for assistant coach of the year.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I think that any.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Of these, like.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Chip on their shoulder coming back to try to, you know,
show what they learned, defensive coordinators who are helping first
time offensive head coaches might be candidates for this. And
then I also think our sleeper is you know, King
Grizzard down in Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Oh, what is his actual Josh Gazzard, Josh Gazzard. I
love that. You know what's shocking, I'm looking this up
while you're talking, like, jesse Minner did not even come
in the top five last year for Assistant Coach of
the Year.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Which is crazy.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
What group exceeded expectations? Look, I love Ben Johnson and
I love Brian Flores, but if we're talking about exceeding
expectations and doing a lot with a little, those were
the top two. And then you had Aaron Glenn and
Vic Fangio and Joe Brady all great of course.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yeah, I mean I love Vic fanju I think.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Jesse Minner would have been a better pick for all
of them last year even.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Yeah, And I think again, we talk about markets and
eyeballs on teams and coverage of teams and all that stuff,
and so I think that's part of it. And I
also think some of it is you know, even players
like Diane Henley, who he really maximized out into being
one of the better linebackers in the NFL right now,
Like the way he was moving. Derwin James had like
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a renaissance last year. All of that kind of flew
under the radar. Just saying so, I do think it's
time to give those guys a little bit more love.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
And in light of being the change we want to see,
my pick is going to be Titans offensive line coach
Bill Callahan because everyone is eligible for this award and
they only vote for coordinator. I know, so let's get
it going. That's a good offensive line. Maybe cam Ward
as a surprising season, but if Jeff Stoutlin didn't even
come in the top five for voting last year for
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the Eagles, is probably never gonna happen. Finally, speaking of
offensive lineman, the Protector of the Year award tough to
really handicap this ahead, but we'll try. Anyways, I know
Tristan Wurfs is hurt to start the season, but I'm
going to say he's going to come back and he's
going to look so good by the end of the year.
And their offense is in Grizzard is going to cook
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so much that he wins it because I think he
might just be the best offensive lineman in football.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
Yeah, I really debated between him. The injury factor took
him out of consideration. For me, I was looking at
Piney Sewel. I really think that because of pine Sewel's
like body of work that he's built up to this point,
maybe the first one that they give is like Tobody,
who's deserved it for a little while. I also want
to know Joe Alt moving over to left tackle, if
he plays well out of position, that's somebody to look
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at for here. And my like sleeper pick is if
Patrick Mahomes has a MVP season, we have to talk
about Josh Simmons at left tackle. Whoa or the potential
of like surprising everybody and getting this award, Because if
Patrick Mahomes is protected the way that he should be protected,
that would mean Josh Simmons as a rookie is doing
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his job at the top level, and that would mean
that he should be in the conversation here.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
That would be wild and I wonder what his odds
are for offensive rookie of the year because.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
He's probably not even on there right now, Like nobody's
talking about this guy.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Nobody ever votes for offensive lineman for Rookies of the Year,
so it would be tough to pull off. But yeah,
I can't even find him there, like he's he's literally
not listed anywhere.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
I love that they called it Protector of the Year.
That's just good branding right there.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Honestly, I would love him winning that award. I don't
think it's gonna happen. You know what else, I love
the entire Wesseling family. We've got Nick Wesseling ready to
join the show. I don't know if he's had to
listen to us honk about the awards. We're just gonna
roll right into it. Yes, he is a member of
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the Cincinnati Zoo, which is all the Westling Brothers. So
if I sometimes forget about new listeners, Nick, but I
do want to just bring up who you are as
we get it.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (43:34):
How are you doing? Nick?
Speaker 6 (43:35):
By the way, doing wonderful? Outstanding. Spent a couple of
weeks out of town on the West Coast a few
weeks ago, feeling relaxed and ready to rock and roll
for this football season.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Ah you look relax. You got the Cincinnati FC. I
know you're a big soccer guy the shirt on. But yes,
we are in the Chris Wesseling podcast studio. That is
Nick's brother, And it hit me today coming in that
we're we're coming on five years uh this super Bowl
when Chris died, and we love having the connection with
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all the Westling brothers.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
But Nick is the loudest of.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
All of them, the one who just kind of is
a self appointed spokesman, maybe to the annoyance of all
the other brothers.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
But it's been extremely effective. Nick.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
I think it even got you to the best man
status at Chris's wedding. I gotta I gotta give it
up to you for that, and so we love to
have you on to talk, talk a little football and
just have a little more whistling in our life.
Speaker 6 (44:41):
Well, some people say loudest, some people say best. Either
either way, I'll take it. I was the middle child,
three old or three younger, so I didn't get paid
attention to unless they yelled and scream. But they taught
me at a at a young age to go ahead
and be heard.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
No, you kept it all together. Although I to me
not best.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
You know I love you all, and I think Phil
is probably the only one that's actually going to listen
to this. And it's also the week that we do
our fantasy league. My kids do a fantasy league, which
his son Mackie is in, and love Phil, love Mackie.
So no favorites here. But I know you have the
hottest of takes, Nick, So let's let's get into some football.
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I gave you some prompts going into the year. I
wanted Nick some Nick Westling predictions. I have no idea
where you're going to go with this, but we just
did a bunch of awards. Do you have like an
awards prediction for this season?
Speaker 6 (45:36):
And this is going to sound like a Homer take,
but Joe Burrow will win the MVP this year. With
this awful defense that the Bengals look like they're trouting
out there, They're going to have to put up fifty
every game and I think they have the ability to
do that. So I think it's his best year yet.
I think the people will get a little tired of
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voting for Lamar Jackson Patrick mahone, And even if they
have similar years, I think Joe Burrow's numbers out through
all of them, and he's your MVP for this year.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
Nick, what is your take on, like the internal rage
that Joe Burrow seems to be managing at all times when.
Speaker 5 (46:15):
He's on the sideline watching this defense. I know you
are locked into this as a storyline. What is your
take on just his I would say rage management would
be how I would I would call that.
Speaker 6 (46:28):
I tell you what. I think that's the reason people
like him so much, Yeah, is because he keeps it
cool even though you can tell he's furious. I think
it was about midway through last season when he was
given post press conferences and people were asking him questions
and he's just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's terrible. Yeah,
we got to do better, and you're just thinking, like, man,
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he wants to punch the guy who asked that question.
Obviously he's not going to do that. And he's always
been a class fact. This bangles off season. I don't
know what the right word is. Tumultuous might be a
good word for it. They seem to at the last
second get it together and realize that they needed Trey Hendrickson.
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You know, even the Shamar Stewart saga earlier, people have
forgotten about that because the Trey Hendrickson went all the
way through the preseason that you know, they just didn't
seem to have their stuff together. What do you think?
Speaker 1 (47:25):
What do you think Wes would think about? Where where
they're at? Because on one hand, this is the best era.
They're back in a winning era for the first time
since you guys were kids, and they have they found
the quarterback. I mean, he's going to be, if not already,
the best quarterback in the history of the franchise. And
yet they seem very like Bengals e what what like?
(47:47):
Where do you think he would be at? Where are
you guys at? It's it's such a weird, complicated relationship
the Wesseling family has with the Bengals.
Speaker 6 (47:55):
Yeah, it's it's I mean, so I'm more similar to Chris.
He was more vested and hated them. I was more indifferent.
I don't know, hate. Hate's probably the wrong word.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
No, I think I think Hay was accurate for a
long time, but I always felt like that was the
flip side of love, right, you know, he cared.
Speaker 6 (48:12):
Right, Yeah, yeah, if you want to go down that street, yeah,
they the indifference would be more what I was for
twenty years, obviously him working for the NFL, and then
even though the Andy Dalton years were frustrating, at least
they were competitive for most of that time, even the
Carson Palmer years, so it was easy. It was very
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easy to get invested again with this team because they're
a lovable team. They got, you know, the receivers they have,
Joe Burrow, you know, even the coaching staff is a
little vanilla, but they seem to put their best players
in position to win. So they were an easy team
to root for. But then the organization does things like
they did this off season and even last off season,
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not signing Higgins and Chase when clearly they wanted to
do it all along and they just had to pay
an extra fifty million dollars assignment to him. It seems
seems counterproductive to me, but obviously I'm not running the franchise,
so I don't really get a say in that. By
the way, Jordan, congratulations on the new gig. I love
and love reading your work.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
So oh no, I'm gonna cry. I guess.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
I guess when I heard your voice and I was
trying not to cry.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
You sound so much like Chris.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
You sound a lot like Chris. Yeah, and let.
Speaker 6 (49:24):
Me go ahead and say, Chris would be really proud too.
He liked you.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
He he really wouldn't. He was, and he was a
fan of Jordan's writing big time. And it is one
of those things you think about, like, you know, the
takes that we're missing from him. And it is interesting
because Burrow got hurt in that rookie year, and that
rookie year was was the last year that that Chris
was with us. And then of course that first year
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where Burrows starting. We finish it, Nick, you and all
the brothers at Sofi Stadium and you know you're watching
it with Keisha. Keisha's got the jersey that she made
special for the day that was half Rams half Bengals,
and unfortunately it felt fitting that the Bengals came up short.
But it was a crazy day. I am I'm curious
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about your reflections of that day. I'm also curious how
you think this team is going to be this year.
But let's think about that day for now.
Speaker 6 (50:16):
Well, well, we'll do the super Bowl. It still seems
a little surreal that that year was a wild ride. Obviously,
they seemed just like an average team until the last
few weeks of the regular season and they turned it on
and that defense kept making play after play after play. Unfortunately,
Joe Burrow was had me, you, Jordan and the produce
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production team blocking in front of him that year, so
there wasn't much chance of him putting up some of
the numbers he's been putting up the last couple of years. Yeah,
that was a rough If you ever want to be entertained,
go back and look at that the starting five offensive
linemen in that Super Bowl and see three guys that
never played again, and uh another guy that that barely
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played again, and then one who had a deep career.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
The second half of that game is the second half
of that game is brutal to rewatch because the Bengals
defense dominated Matthew Stafford and the Rams for so long
and they just and.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
Oh yeah, you're finding those guys up against von Miller
and Aaron Donald, you know, like yeah, they.
Speaker 6 (51:24):
Decided on the most important player of the game to
just go ahead and let Aaron Donald go and destroy
Joe Burrow. You know, half a second before Jamar Chase
is wide open.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
I gotta say that.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
We got drinks like one at your at your Airbnb
that you had nearby, and the Westling brothers were in
plenty of.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
Good spirits afterwards.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
It was we were feeling a lot obviously that entire year,
and we still do in that night especially, but you guys,
you guys were like enjoying, you were you were living
in the moment. I'm curious, what, okay, if you have
Joe Burrow winning m v P, what do you think
this team is going to do this year?
Speaker 6 (51:59):
So we'll know after week two. I think if they're
not two and oh, they're at the Browns and then
Jaguars at home before they go, I'm gonna have to
look at my cheat sheet here, my notes here, but
they have the next five games are absolutely brutal. I
think they have at who was it at at Vikings,
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then then Broncos at home, Lions and I'm sorry, Broncos
on the road, Lions at home, Packers on the road,
Steelers at home. Before they on October.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Twenty, they're all looking at your schedule and saying, oh, no,
we got the Bengals that week.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Well, oh no, we've got the Bengals offense.
Speaker 6 (52:43):
But if they're not too and oh, I can't take
them serious this year. I think if they're, you know,
somewhere five and four going into the end of October
early November, I think they're legitimate contender for the Super Bowl.
I just think that Joe Burrow is that good and
it's off is that good that they can carry him.
He saw it at the end of last year. They
almost snuck in somehow. I think when they win five
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straight games at the end, they make it interesting. It
gets frustrating watching this team and watching the organization, but
I can't take my eyes off of him.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
It's a crime if they are five and four even
or if they don't make the playoffs, like the heat
needs to be on Zach Taylor. It's it's an organizational failure.
The way Joe Burrow is playing to not be winning
like twelve games a year, I don't know how I
feel about it. Like on paper that the defense is
not going to be good, but but defenses are more unpredictable.
Nick Westling, are you gonna like text your brothers and
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brag about this appearance or how how are you going
to handle it?
Speaker 6 (53:44):
No, we're going to find out which ones are still
listening to you. I know, I know filled regularly.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
I mean he was the only one. You guys were
the only two that ever did in the first place.
Who else? I don't think Tim.
Speaker 6 (53:56):
Tim was an avid listener and loved listening to the
old and I know he occasionally listens now and so
does Mike. Eddie was Eddie was listening. By the way, Eddie,
I don't know this is public, it's it's all out there.
But Eddie, my oldest brother, Ed had a battle with
cancer and he's doing very very well. He's in remission.
(54:17):
Everything's going well. He's being in his way back, so
he looks good, looking strong. So if he's listening, we
love you and uh and good to see you healthy again.
Speaker 3 (54:26):
Yeah, love Eddie.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Was always remember meeting Eddie at uh at Chris's wedding
down down in Tybee and being like, wait, this is
a Westling brother, because he just it's just different than
the rest of them, you know, just just a little different.
Love you, Nick, love love having you on and uh, yeah,
the season wouldn't have felt right to start with a
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little a little Westling on the show.
Speaker 3 (54:50):
And hope to get you back for for one of
those Bengals primetime game recaps. Maybe down the line any time, Greg, all.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
Right, that's it. We're done for today. We're not done,
uh for this week. But Nick, by the way, you
you made Jordan's day.
Speaker 4 (55:06):
Yeah, I'm trying to I'm like, I'm blotchy because I was.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
I was trying not to cry.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
Nick.
Speaker 4 (55:12):
It is such an honor. Thank you so much for
joining the show. When I am on the show, I listen,
I've heard your voice and and all of that, and man,
you sound so much like Chris and I just it's
an honor.
Speaker 2 (55:27):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (55:28):
Nick. It was a pleasure. It was definitely not an
honor to have.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
You don't listen to Greg, I mean, that's.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
A little that's a little boutch, but it was. It
was a pleasure, a.
Speaker 6 (55:39):
Pleasure to be on with. Jordan's such a fantastic writer
and analyst. And well, it's always good to see you too, Greg.
Speaker 1 (55:47):
I guess that was get the music. Let's get out
of here. We will be back on Thursday. One of
my favorite annual shows of the year. I mean, imagine
if Nick Westling picked the right over unders in a
draft for four straight years undefeated, he would never freaking
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stop talking about it. That's what I've done for the
last four years. Can I make it five? Nick Wright?
On Thursday. We'll see you
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we are celebrating Shohei Otani
fifty to fifty Bobblehead Day, also known as my brother
Dean Rosenthal's birthday, also known as Nick Westling Day. Here
on the show, joined by Jordan rod Rieg and Yes,
Nick will be coming up a little later to give
some award predictions twenty twenty five season predictions. After we
(00:29):
go through all the awards, Jordan and reveal for the
first time, who's gonna win every single one of them?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yeah, because we are totally We're going to be so
right on all of them.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
You never know.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
And I do look at this exercise as one where
you can kind of like, like, Okay, who are some
underdogs that maybe we're not picking, but that if you're
into those sort of things, you could circle.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Especially the rookie ones. I love doing these rookie projections too, Like,
this is so fun for me.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
It's also a great feeling because we have been reviewing
the season on some level for six months. Eric is
just nodding his head back there, and now we're at
the point where it's like, Okay, we actually have reached
the final prediction predictions of the season. So yeah, We're
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gonna have a couple episodes next week on forties and
free agents, where we go through the teams most likely
we think to win the Super Bowl and talk about
playoff teams and all that sort of stuff. But we'll
start our preview, you know, just conventionally today with the awards,
and then next Tuesday it's going to be very unconventional
when Colleen Wolf joins us.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yes see dark arts. What are we calling it?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
The dark darkly Chaotic Awards season.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I love the darkness that's going to come. But first
we do have some news. So we did the show.
It feels like just a few hours ago with all
the cuts all around the league. It really was just
a few hours ago. But there are already been waiver
claims all around the league, so that those claims come quick.
They were at noon eastern nine here on the West Coast,
there were twenty nine waiver claims throughout the league. Everyone's
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putting together their practice squad and it was kind of
the deadline for teams to get some trades done. And
we did finally get that Adam Thielen trade done, so
get to the waiver claims. But Adam Feelin is going
back to the Minnesota Vikings for a couple pickswaps like
a seventh to a fifth and a fifth to a fourth.
Ultimately not a huge price, and he gives that receiver
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room so much needed depth.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Yeah, I mentioned on the show that we just taped
a few hours ago, that it's very clear that Minnesota
was stockpiling some of these late middle and later round
picks in future current in future years to pile towards something.
And obviously this has been in the works for a while.
You mentioned it where or smoke there's fire. We did
record that, so like close to the recording of this episode,
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we still had enough time for somebody to get personally
offended that I did not claim ownership of Adam Thielen
and messaged me about this. Oh, you're underrating Adam Feelin.
I'm like, I think he's a good player. I think
he I think he works really really well with the Viking.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
You guys are getting a lot of Adam Thieling heat.
Maybe it's the same guy Eric noticed in the YouTube.
Someone was very fired up that we're giving Adam Thielen
too much coverage and ultimately.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Uh, what's the Adam feeling? Meridians people are really would
from us fired up.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Here's why I would talk about him slightly more than
a normal aging receiver who's I think, not a depth piece.
He's he's going to be their number three receiver when
Jordan Adison is back, but he's absolutely their number two receiver.
And it's a cliff I really just and I know
Jalen Naylor is not healthy right now, but I think
he is much better. He was great on a per
snap efficiency level basis last year, Like if you watched him,
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he was outstanding, and he was really good the year before.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
We'll see what if what the contract adjustment is.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And yeah, the Carolina Panthers are the ones though that
are moving up in the draft here. Uh to be clear,
but the Vikings didn't have to give up any draft capital.
Well really, they just give up a couple moves down
in the draft so they keep as many picks as
they had.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
It tells me they like obviously t Mac being their tet.
They really really appreciate that he's going to emerge.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
As their one.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
This to me, also, the Panthers showed the Panther's confidence
in like a Jalen Coker for example, who they really
like in the building and comfortability enough to move on
from a player who was really solid for them, who
was trustworthy, who was a great presence to have for
Bryce Young. But this is the right thing, I think
for both sides because he not only is he from
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Minnesota and he's moving back, and there's a really great
video circulating right now that I think the Vikings shared
out of him learning the news of this and telling
his family and it's like the things you love to see.
And he fits right into this offense immediately, and they
needed immediate help there because of their depth issues. And
this is a low pressure role for him, like you
mentioned Greg, because he'll just go back to being the
three and the safety net once once you know the
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injured guys and suspended guys come back.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
And I do want or just in terms of where
JJ McCarthy wins, like if JJ in terms of Jefferson
is gonna have as much volume this year because I
think JJ McCarthy is at his best, you know, throwing
the ball short, throwing the ball over the middle.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
That's where Adam Thielen can win.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
And you mentioned Jalen Cocher, an undrafted rookie last year,
will now be their starting slot receiver Hunter Renfro did
not make that team. It sounds like they're trying to
bring him back to the practice squad. He was a
little banged of a man. That is a really young
receiver group for Bryce Young. I like that, but I'm
a little wary that Teteroa McMillan first round pick, and
then Xavier Lagette and Jalen Cocher, two second year players,
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are the starting receivers for Young. Let's move on to
the other big item that wasn't a trade this morning.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Rare Sheee Rice got to spend.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
That Adam Thalen enough time?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Do you think that was maybe too much time?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Okay, we missed our Meridian Dan that I.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Would believe would be too much time. But as always,
never read the comments. Rashee Rice suspended six games. There
was a report earlier in training camp that believed that
this might get delayed. In the end, I think he
ended up taking the six game suspension or they came
to an agreement. So it will be the first six
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games of the season, which is a very difficult part
of the schedule for the Chiefs, but add some certainty
for them. They will be playing the Ravens early in
the season and they will be pay playing Kyle Hamilton,
who just got a big new contract five years, twenty
five million dollars on average on the extension of the
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five year extension and eighty two million dollars guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
And you could see with his movement last season how
much that impacted and affected that defense. He has been
a plus two plus three player for that defense since
he got there. But inclusive to what zach Or did
last year the defensive coordinator of the Ravens and moving
Kyle Hamilton around and like maximizing his talent, his savviness,
(07:02):
his knowledge of the game, and also the way he
can manipulate space really well, it just was a win
win and I love this for him. I think this
is awesome. He's one of my favorite players in the NFL.
I know a lot of us who love football love
watching Kyle him.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, one of those guys that fell further in the
draft and it was like, oh, how do you let
him get to the Ravens. Well, if you knew he
was so good, why didn't you.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Just take him.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Everyone loved Kyle Hamilton coming out, and then he really
did become that dude, I knew. I was struggling, like
coming up with how long the contract is because it's
a four year extension. Yeah, but it's a he already
he still had two years left on his deal because
he had the fifth year option left on a deal.
So that's actually a six year contract, which means he's
signed through twenty thirty. Just big picture. I have noticed
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after the league was getting into this trend of these
compressed contracts again, a lot of the big name players
lately they're getting extended back out to the old days,
and which it basically means the Ravens are going to
control Kyle Hamilton's entire career in his rights. With this,
he is giving up basically any freedom in terms of
ever leaving the Ravens, and he'll try to read negotiate
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at some point for the idea of getting paid earlier
and sooner and a very fair contract.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
So win win. Let's go to another trade.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Tim Patrick is going to the Jaguars for a sixth
round pick, which means it is Isaac Taslaw season in Detroit.
Little surprising though that they gave up on the receiver
depth there.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
And Liam Cohen gets his Robert Woods circa like two
nineteen twenties era, Like this is exactly what the Jaguars
are trying to build out with this offense, and I
think that's a perfect fit. And yes, it does pave
the way for Isaac Teslaw to truly emerge the way
that Brad Holmes and company believed that he would when
they spent the draft pick on him.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Little Warry and but Tim Patrick is going to go
there as a guy who's like adding depth. They had
a big cliff after Travis Hunter and Parker Washington where
they didn't love like their wide receiver four or five.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
And Hunter's not a full time.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Receiver block I mean that Liam Cohen wants is blocking.
I mean this is very odd. Yes, it's like very
clear to me what offense Lam Cohen is trying to run.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
The only red flag would be I listened to Colton
Pouncy your colleagues, Yeah podcast, Welcome to Detroit. You know
they mentioned maybe he hadn't had the best training camp
in the world. And sometimes you do assume that these
guys just stay the same year after he is thirty
one years old, He's had some major injuries in his career,
Like it's possible. He's not the same Tim Patrick he
was a couple of years ago. But to me, this
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was more about Isaac Taslat just needed to be put
on the field, and so if Patrick wasn't going to
get as much playing time, then you might as well
deal him away. One thing I wanted to note, there
was no nothing new that happened in the last twenty
four hours. But like Quinjohn Juggins, the second round pick
who was accused of domestic violence and eventually the charges
(09:47):
were dropped, still has not signed a contract with the Browns,
and there's no clarity from the league or the Browns
or anyone with Judkins what is happening there, But he
is technically there's unsigned and we're waiting to see. So
I just wanted to say that going into Week one,
they only had a couple running backs on their roster
after fifty three man cutdown, but they did claim Rocket
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Sanders from the Chargers. The Chargers had three players claimed,
so that they added a running back in Rocket Sanders
from the Chargers. The Bills brought back Jordan Poyer just
kind of like good vibes, you know, guy who was
like a cornerstone piece of everything.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
That they have done.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
You know, not the same player he was years ago.
Struggled a little bit with the Dolphins, but he's back
with the Bills. And I mentioned the waiver claims. Yeah,
twenty nine of them, and we can just run through
a few quick Tommy CUTLTZ is a member of the Patriots.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Wow. I don't know who could have seen that coming.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I mean, I couldn't have right, Tommy DeVito.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
He stays in the Northeast, you know, like that's kind
of where my mind went.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
It's a tough My mind went immediately that.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Mike Rabel has a fun guy to get beers with.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
He's gonna be one of the most popular players on
the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
And I feel for Josh Dobbs. You don't want to
be the pastor dot.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
You don't want to be the backup quarterback in New England,
specifically when Tommy DeVito is the third stringer like Josh
Dobbs is not going to be a popular guy there.
The Patriots also released Kendrick Bourne, which is really interesting,
and released Javon Baker, which is interesting. So they had
eight receivers make their initial fifty three man roster, which
is a crazy number.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
I think they were just saying if someone would come
get Kendrick Bourn Vietree specifically.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I think they were in a stare down with the
forty nine ers trying to get like a conditional seventh
because there is already reporting that the forty nine ers
are interested. But they were like, we can live without him, honestly,
if you really are going to hold out, like we're
just gonna, you know, call your bluff.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
And it worked a vverable. Shanahan's staredown is like walking
on the surface of the sun, like not for me.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Did Yeah, I would not want to be part of that,
just the amount of intensity.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I do think Kendrick Bourne.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Is probably better than some receivers on that roster. I
think he can still play if he's healthy. It was
partly a contract thing and he was not going to
be part of their future. Javon Baker should be back
on their practice squad. Marcus Valdes Scantting, by the way,
who he mentioned one that unofficial award for the most
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guaranteed money not to make his actual team, is joining
the forty nine ers as well. I don't know if
it's going to be MVS and Kendrick Bourne but it's
definitely mvs. Juju Brents went to the Dolphins second round pick,
no surprise there. So they've added Razuell Douglas and Juju
brent in recent days to what was a pretty bad
cornerback room. Trey Palmer, the former Buck, went to the Saints.
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The Titans claimed four players. They were the team that
claimed the most. I think the only one over too while.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Which makes sense. They're rebuilding.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, the Rams had the most players claimed. You don't
really want to be that team with four players claimed?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, because you can't.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
You couldn't keep all your players the other guy wanted,
you know, and there's not enough roster spots, not enough
practice squad spots, and other teams had high grades on
some of these guys who ended up signing. The reason
why undrafted free agents too signed with the Rams is
because they play them. You know, at least one makes
the roster every year, and that guy usually plays meaningful snaps,
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and so other teams who may have had them high
on their boards in the undrafted free agency process are
now coming to get them on waivers. I think it's
I think it's great for those players.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
It's great for Willie Lampkin going to the Eagles.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
The most quintessential, like we could have seen this coming
a mile away.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
That well, I think if the Rams saw it coming,
they would have kept them, because I just have a
feeling that this one hurts. So it's it's an undersized
center who looked great in the preseason but got hurt,
and they tried to pass them through waivers because it's
tough to keep an undrafted guy who's who's hurt at
the time on your active roster, and the Eagles, of
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all teams, claimed them, And we're just gonna have to
like say it with me, you got it?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
How he did it again? See we got it this time.
We'll see if he actually did I'm.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Saying we all it's like we're screaming into the void
watching this guy hit waivers.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
It's gonna be the Eagles. It's gonna be there. Someone
will come to get this guy.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Don't expose them to waivers, but I will say kind
of had to because they brought back Coleman Shelton right,
and then Bo Limmer started for them last season and
he's still on the roster as.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
The bat right and he was hurt Lampkin, So it
just would have kicked someone off that actually would have
had a role, and that's tough. Jalen armor Davis, by
the way, who I think is a pretty good cornerback
from the Ravens, was one of the Titans claims. It
is interesting looking like who gets claimed the most. You
would think it'd be like the best rosters in the league.
So the Chargers had three people claimed, the Ravens had
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three people claimed, the Broncos had a couple, the Chiefs
had a couple. But then there were some wild ones
like what's going on in New Orleans, Like something's wrong
that two of your players is getting are getting claimed
around the league and the Colts and the Jag said
two players claimed as well. Okay, that's what I thought
was enough of news. But as we're taping, we do
have some breaking news. At least as we're taping. Jane
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Slater reports that Micah Parsons is getting a second opinion
on his back. Per a source informed with the situation,
it's just like the next little step, I don't know
breaking might have been.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
So does that mean he will be away away from
the team through that process because he's been there this
whole time?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Does that mean he's traveled like, that's my question. Is
he traveling.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Somewhere to go see go see a specialist? He so
that that would mean he's away from the team at
that point.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
There is a picture of him in the airport. He
also was not seen, according to Cowboys reporters at practice
on Tuesday, which was a change and people were wondering.
And previously Cowboys owner Garry Jones had said, you know,
the back's fine. You know the back it checked out fine,
And now he's getting a second opinion. It's all very tiresome.
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There was a report by Pro Football Talk that had
a source that said there's some level of interest from
the Packers and Michael Parsons, but you know, qualifying saying
that it's nothing too much.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
We'll see.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
My colleague Matt Schneidman, a great follow on social media,
is having so much fun with this today.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
You guys should just go check out okay posting. Yeah,
there's some funny.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Good plug.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah, let's take a quick break and when we come back,
we are going to go through all the big awards,
the MVP, the Defensive Player of the Year, the Offensive
Player of the Year. I've now kind of turned around
and now I appreciate that award again back in a
few and then we'll have Nick Westling at the end
of the.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Show back on NFL Daily.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
And yeah, tapping relatively early because I got to get
out in those traffic filled week day streets downtown and
get to that show.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Hey Otani, bobblehead day.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
It's a big day.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
But the teams are starting announce the practice squads, Like
I know they're bigger, but there's something crazy when I
just see, like the Steelers announce sixteen guys to the
practice squad. It is great because you are keeping not
only some young players developing, but Robert Woods, for instance,
like staying in the league, getting a decent check and
you might get the call up. So he was among
the sixteen guys there. You see a lot of familiar names.
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If if you're into that sort.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
You know this is like a little inside baseball. But
do you know what's really great for guys on the
final years of their career who know that they are
not going to maybe contribute so much, they're going to
be on a practice squad is like an emergency depth
option in certain areas. So when you play a game
in another state, you're taxed by that state. You're on
a practice squad, and you're getting the check, you are
taxed in the original area. Like he's kind of he's saving,
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you know, he's saving on some taxes here with that.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
With that, we couldn't it couldn't. Couldn't it cost you more?
Though too if you live in like California and you know, yeah, exact.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Florida exactly, like so you know, it's it's a you know,
But for him, I mean, I don't really know what
the tax is in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Why would I don't know. Taxes are a very confusing thing.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
The awards are not They're the same every year, just about,
but we've added one this year. We are going to
go through all the awards that the Associated Press votes
on MVP, Defensive Player of the Year, Offensive Player of
the Year, Coach of the Year, Offensive Rookie of the Year,
Defensive Rookie of the Year, and now Protector of the Year.
That's an official award, helped along by Andrew Whitworth and
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lots of offensive linemen who just wanted more attention. And
maybe I'll ask you for an Assistant Coach of the
Year too. That's my favorite one because I looked at
the odds for these you know, we're we're not sponsored,
so I'm not even going to say where who, but
you know, just for context, like people were ranked and stuff.
I was curious about the odds. But Assistant Coach of
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the Year is the one that they don't list anything for.
So it's like they I don't know if they just
don't care or they don't recognize it, but they do
give out an award NFL honors. Your MVP for twenty
twenty five is.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Patrick Mahomes, first of all, because I don't think this
like little micro slump that he's in lasts much longer.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Something's got to break.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
I really believe in some of the moves they've made
along their offensive line.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
We'll talk about Josh Simmons here in a.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Cover cool, but I just think this can't he can't
sustain like in this cage that he's been in, right
in terms of his passing and all of that, and
on the run so often, and I just think he
just goes sicko mode this year in some cases. Now,
I don't know that the Chiefs are going to be
that super Bowl team or that that deep playoff run team,
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But I do believe that Patrick Mahomes something in him
will snap. Travis Kelcey kind of being slimmer, being back
into like kind of his Maybe this is his swan song.
You know, got a nice little life waiting for him
at the end of all of that.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I just think there's something.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
About this that feels like that he's going to break
back out this year as the quarterback we know.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Him to be.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
We did it separately and we ended up on the
exact same page. And I know people are a little
sick of Patrick Mahomes now. He is only the fourth
favorite to win MVP, but they're all pretty close. Lamar,
Josh Allen, Joe Burrow are just ahead of him. Lamar
is like a slight favorite. I just think there's just
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a vibe. I shouldn't let the preseason matter, but I
had it already. The offensive line is better, I think
the weapons are better. But I just think he is
ready to remind everyone who he is. Stop being not
an efficient, effective player, but an exciting player, like one
of the best players that we've ever seen. And I
just think this is the year that'll happen. Now, you
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mentioned you're not sure if they're going to win the
Super Bowl or go far well, they have to have
a great record for him to win the MVP. Almost
every MVP is from a one or a two seed,
and it's almost always a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
I'm not burying yet by any means.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I just mean, like a lot of times it comes
down to who has what team has the best record.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Now, it didn't happen last year.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Obviously the Chiefs and the Lions were at the very
top and they weren't in the MVP mix. But you
basically have to have like a top two or three
seed to get there. If I was looking at dark horses,
and yeah, like when you look at Aaron Rodgers' career,
by the way, and Tom Brady, these guys who will
win it four or five times, which I think can happen.
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In Brady only won it three times, but I think
that can happen. It's like, yeah, it doesn't happen every year.
Like you have to go in these little dips and
then you pop back up. And I think the narrative
of mahomes this year becoming exciting again, becoming a big playmaker,
and it just makes sense to me that people will
be ready to vote for them if you were looking
for some longer shots plus two thousand right now, only
seventh on the list, But Jalen Hurts is a pretty
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strong one if you're looking for a team that would
have a good record. He was very close to winning
an MVP just a couple of years ago. And then
Dak Prescott is buried around like fourteenth, fifteenth among players
plus four thousand. You know, last healthy season, he was
right in the MVP mix, literally came in second. So
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I think he would be another one if you were
like looking for value and looking for someone maybe not
as obvious.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Yeah, but you're talking about team record in the same
breath as like Mahomes and all of that stuff. I
assume that's why he's being buried because people are really
skeptical about the Coulture overall.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Right, Yeah, they would have to surprise.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
You would need like a twelve and five season in
Dak Prescott just having crazy numbers. But I think they'll
be a pass first offense. I don't think it's crazy.
I do think they will get a big award though.
I'm going Michael Parsons Defensive Player of the Year, And
this is part of my strategy is I've picked him
Defensive Player of the Year every year for the last
three years, basically since his rookie year, and I just
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think he will win one and I will be right eventually.
How did he He ended up finishing in the thirties
of the top one top one hundred players on NFL network.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
That was crazy to me. I couldn't actually under rated.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
People don't like him. I think maybe that.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
It's like his colleagues, that's who's voting on the on
those awards in these locker rooms. That was kind of
crazy to me because these guys, the football players no
football obviously, so there's something there's some other maybe they
wanted to give other veteran players more priority or whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
The mic of things interesting to me.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
I like this pick, but I have to say i'm
because this is still unresolved because he hasn't practiced.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Because of all this, I have no.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Reason to believe that he won't need a little bit
of a ramp up period.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Now.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
He could be playing dominant football by any metric by
the time voters are having this fresh in their heads.
So that's why I think it's a solid pick, and
he probably is pretty good.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Odds he did miss four games last year, and you
never know when these ballots go out, So.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Maybe it was what Terry Jones said.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Maybe it was like a lot of ballots were out
like while he was out, and then those people they
just don't vote for him. There He finished second as
a rookie and Defensive Player of the Year, which is crazy.
Twenty one rookie was a first team Opera was second
in Defensive Player of the Year as a second year player.
So I was, you know, I've been close, and he
was third in his third year. Last year was the
one time, you know, he really didn't get consideration. But
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I've said it before on the show, say it again.
The best pure pass rusher to come in the league,
I believe this century. Like of the last twenty plus years,
I think von Miller would be another one that pops
to my mind, but just pure pass rusher. So I
think we'll get it eventually, no matter what team he's on,
I'm willing to entertain it's on another team, who.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Do you got?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
I was torn because I wanted to pick Micah Parsons,
but all of this still being influx to me unresolved,
I just I went another direction, riding the wave of
his Defensive Rookie of the Year award. I think Jared
Verse has a real shot whoa defensive Player of the Year.
When you watch his tape game over game and you
see the amount of pressure he got, but the number
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of sacks that he left on the board, and knowing
you know his personality, knowing the group around him as well,
that is quite literally built to set him up for success.
I just think that this guy is going to have
another dominant season and he's going to be in the conversation.
I don't know what his odds are, but I know
that he's going to be in the conversation.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Shockingly, Hi, I would not have expected this because you
to me, I heard that. I think that's that's wild.
He's actually the sixth favorite. Now it's still pretty long shot.
Plus fifteen hundred. Micah is the favorite. So I didn't
know that either Aiden Hutchinson, T J. Watt, Miles Garrett.
A lot of times it is a pastor has.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
A shot at this too, honestly, I think. But you know, we.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Rightfully so are not doing the dumb award comeback Player
of the Year that nobody can seem to agree on
because a guy literally returned from death and still did
not win the award a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
But Aiden Hutchinson is probably gonna win that award.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
And now did they even define that it's just coming
back from injury? We're not gonna bother comeback player the Year.
I here because it's like a weird sliding scale, like
who is the best? But how hard was the injury?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
It's stupid.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Jared Verse, that's interesting looking at some longer shots. I
don't know if you like anyone. Jalen Carter is ninth
on the list. If you are looking, it's pretty hard
for a defensive tackle to win the award. That's some
good respect, though, unless you're unless you're Aaron Donald.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
We were riding the table for Dexter Lawrence for a
little bit last year because his production, despite being on
a terrible team, was absolutely in the conversation early on,
especially for Defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
You know, I think Max Crosby is a guy who
you know, he's eighth listed as eighth basically tied with
Verse plus sixteen hundred. Isn't that crazy? And then we'll
get to Abdulla Carter. But if you wanted to go
crazy if you were picking a position where a rookie
can come in and possibly win an award like this.
Michael Parsons almost did it. We have seen you Von
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Miller was outstanding as a rookie. We have seen pass
rushers come in. He's all the way down at plus
five thousand, tied with Kirby Joseph. I mean that's crazy,
Like fifteen twenty players down the list.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
He would be an interesting one. But we'll put a
pin in that.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Let's do Offensive Player of the Year, an award that
I used to refuse to answer on NFL dot Com
when we have to submit all of our picks, by
the way that you'll be checking them out at NFL
dot com soon. I did answer those questions this year,
but now I'm back in because it's basically the non
quarterback award. I just don't like it when they give
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it to the second best quarterback, which is what happens
a lot of times too.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Yeah, but it's turned out to be really handy, especially
when you have a season like Saquon Barkley had last year.
I think it's unfortunate for my pick to win it
this year that he happened to win the Triple Crown
last season, the same year Saquon Barkley quite literally made
history as a running back. Jamar Chase, I think, is
my Offensive Player of the Year pick this year. I
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think that sometimes we see voters sort of correct things
in advance. I'm not saying it was incorrect that Saquon
won it, but I know that Jamar was frustrated he
didn't get more votes.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
That was sort of a headline months ago.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
And I do think that he is someone who is
deserving and should be on pace to have another incredible season.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yeah, it's it's tough.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I mean, like winning a triple Crown doesn't get any
better than that.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I know. It's like that, again, are very small, I know,
and it's one of the best. It's like in history.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
So few people have actually done that, but Steve Smith
and then it was Cooper Cup in twenty twenty one,
and then Jamar Chase.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
And it's just crazy to me that these receivers are
able to do this, first of all, And I don't
want to hear about the oh there's an extra game,
Oh my god, Like I don't want to hear about that,
and that.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Doesn't affect the triple Crown. Because you're just it's all.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
A production and it's production.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
It's production based, and so that's where I'm like, Okay,
I I think that Saquan was so deserving of that
award last year. I know that even some people were
arguing that he should be the MVP, especially because what
he did for the entire Eagles as an organization. It
certainly as an offense. But it's hard when you are
up your Jamar and you're you have literally an historic
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like one of only a few people have ever achieved
what you achieved in history, and you finished second in offensive, you.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Finished third Lamar Jackson when ahead of thirds. That's why
I don't like this award. And that's why when I
was looking at the odds, if I was looking for
some of the longer shots to do it, like I
would love Jalen Hurts for Offensive Player of the Year
because he could end up being that like second quarterback
gets it. Josh Allen is like plus six thousand, you know,
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Patrick Mahomes is way down there below, like lad mcconky
or Jackson Smith, Thenjigba and Jonathan Taylor, and like I
could easily see them coming in second at the top
it's the guys from last year, Saquon and Jamar Chase.
I'm going to take the third favorite to win it
as my pick, which is Jamiir Gibbs. I just feel
like he's gotten better at football every single season, and
the situation is not as good in front of him overall,
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so that's a little bit of a concern. But I
just think in terms of his skill set, this is
to me the year in a running backs career that
I can just see it all coming together in him
having a twenty four to twenty five hundred yards from
scrimmage type of Banana's season. That's a that's lofty right
into the show, but maybe even twenty one year, you
know you're scrimmage, that would do it. So yeah, if
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you were looking for a really deep sleeper, Travis Hunner
is way down there. Just saying people like voting for that.
All right, let's let's do Coach of the Year. This
is giving away maybe a team that you think is
going to be good, but it's time to do that.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
It's it's the week before the season.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Yes, And this award, I want to be clear, usually
goes to coaches who outperform expectations. I think we can
agree that like the Andy Reids of the world, should
win this award every single season, but that's just not
how the voters think about this. And so I'm going
with Mike Vrabel here, not only because he does have
plenty of friends in the media.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
But oh but also I like this angle.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
But also because I believe that he, as the head
coach of the Patriots, will lead that team to vastly outperforming,
if not at least extremely outperforming the expectations entering the season,
especially relative to the disaster that it was last year,
the absolute destruction that the roster was in that he inherited,
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and the fact that they have to rebuild basically three
draft classes, and so you're gonna have to out coach
and outperform the talent that you have and the depth,
especially the lack of depth that they have. And I
think if Mike Rabel can do that. I'm not saying
that this is a playoff team per se, but I
think that if he can do that.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
If well, they got to be a playoff team for
him to make any chance to win this.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
I'm just saying I think that if they look if
they look good, if they lose close games and they
and they win enough of them. I think he is
a front runner.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
For Coach of the Year.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Their expectations, though, are sneaky high, like they're over unders
eight and a half. Everyone's perdicting them to make the playoffs.
I'm a little anxious when I see that. I've seen
some of the predictions coming out this week. I think,
on average, they are probably going to get picked to
make the playoffs, where they're like a consensus six or
seven seed someone if some team had to. Obviously a
lot of people disagree, but I'm seeing them get there,
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and Vegas is there with them too, and they have
on paper one of, if not the easiest schedules in
the entire league. So to me, for him to win
this award, they'd have to win at least ten or
eleven games, maybe more, and that would be the only
way too vastly exceed expectations. The expectations locally and nationally
are like nine to eight at worst.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
You know, I'm really not talking about the expectations that
like Vegas is placing on them, or the consensus.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Odd I'm really not talking about.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
I mean the people though, like that, how people think
the voters you.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Know I'm talking about what this team will look like
relative to what it looked like last year. I don't
think he has to win ten or eleven games to
be a front runner for this job.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
I do because I just think the expectations from the
voters are going to be so high that people think
that they're a playoff team, or at least a borderline
playoff team. I went for a more under the radar
guy in terms of the odds, but not much more.
Rabel's the second favorite. Aaron Glenn is the fourth favorite.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
I could see it.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
He's someone where if they just won nine games, would
have a chance at this award. Call it the Dick
Jeron like memorial of like, you know, just a guy who,
like what the Bears won that many games.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Actually he won a ton of games.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
He might have won like thirteen when he won Coach
of the Year, but just totally exceeds expectations because the
Jets are expected to be one of the worst teams
in the league. And when I'm saying like the Vegas
odds and using that as a framework, I think it
is useful because it's ultimately just a reflection of the
average person and how they're seeing it as well, and
ultimately how the media is seeing it as well, and
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everyone has the Jets buried, and so I think if
they come out and they're just competitive and you can
see the fighting spirit that they have and they just
look so different from an offensive perspective, and then just
play hard on defense and they win nine games, I
could see him winning.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
It's funny because that's literally what I just said about
the Patriots, except the market is so different, and the I.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Agree, I think they should be the same. I am
with you that I I.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Just think it's I just think it's funny. That tells
you exactly how different the expectations in the markets are relatively.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Part of it was the Patriots spent a ton of
money in free agency and the Jets didn't, and people
just pay attention to that, but I think they don't
realize how much they had to overcome. Ben Johnson is
the favorite right now for Coach of the Year. Liam
Cohen is up there. It is often a guy in
the first year of his new spot. Pete Carroll is
up there as well, like Canalist Mike McDonald. We can
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be the change, though, I want that freaking AP vote.
Give me the vote. I voted Andy Reid last year
to end the season, I thought he was my coach
of the Year because I did not think that was
like a great Chiefs team, and the way they got
through that regular season was like an absolutely incredible coaching job.
Let's do Offensive Rookie of the Year and Defensive Rookie
of the Year.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
You might be surprised my mind. Actually, this is a
volume pick.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
I think that this player is going to be needed
and utilized so immediately that his volume of catches, of
snaps of carries is going to be so significant that
he'll just stay in the collective conscious for the entire
season and become a true weapon for this team.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
It's Trevion Henderson.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
I think that the Patriots rookie running back Travion Henderson
could be the offensive Rookie of the Year. And that's because,
in part, he will be so urgently needed that there
is no choice but for him to have to produce.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Reminder Stevenson's out there and like, hey, I'm one of
the highest paid running back for.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Lead in every phase.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
I think this guy's going to be on the field
way more than maybe people expected when they got drafted.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
I think that's right, and I think he's a great
value too. I'm surprised he's sixth on the list. He's
plus fourteen hundred if you're curious. Genty with the Raiders, Ashton,
Denty and cam Ward are way ahead of the pack
as potential favorites, which makes me way happier to pick
Travis Hunter, who's fourth on the list.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
I wanted to pick him so bad because I believe
so much in him, and I wanted to pick him
so bad, but I thought about volume, and I thought about, yeah,
how many how much? You know, all of this is
gonna maybe be in Travon Henderson's favor in terms of
having to produce.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
And that's why I need the season to start, because
I just keep making the same points where like I
don't buy that long term, but that is the logical assumption,
Like he's not getting that many snaps, they're going to
work them in slowly. That all makes sense to me.
I believe in his talent enough that like by week
three or four, which is basically the whole season, he
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can be getting that volume that he's a better prospect
than Brian Thomas Junior was a year ago, Like he
can have a better season. He can be better than
Brian Thomas Junior is right now. So I am not
only taking him for Offensive Rookie of the Year. I'm
having him pull the Daily Double. Let's go Defensive Rookie
of the Year. He wins him both. He blows absolutely
everyone's mind. He's a much longer shot to win Defensive
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Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Because because he won't be playing defense all the defensive
and he won't be rushing the passer.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Right, It's gonna be very tough, but it is a
narrative award sometime, and if he goes out there and
he gets four or five interceptions and he's a baller,
and people just get swept up in the Magic of
the Baseball Show.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Hey Otani.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
He's actually only fifth in terms of the odds of
Defensive Rookie of the Year, way behind the favorite, Abdull Carter.
But he's plus thirteen hundred, so it's not that crazy.
I'm doing the Travis Hunner Daily Double.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
I want this to happen. I really want badly for
this to happen.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Colley, I still picked Abdul Carter to win Defensive Rookie
of the year. But the story that you're the picture
that you're painting, Greg want.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
I partially didn't pick him just because I figured you
were picking him, and he is the most logical pick,
probably the right pick, but it.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Didn't but I like what you did.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
It didn't feel as.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Fun and on a real level, like if I was
just looking at value or whatever, like Abdull Carter is
favored to win Defensive Rookie of the Year more than
anyone is favored to win any award, which it does
make sense to me, but that's that's not as fun.
And if you're into these sort of things, and I
know you're not, you know, there's there's less of a
(38:14):
return there. Yeah, and I'm obviously not. But we are
allowed to pick games and pick guys like this. You know,
we have a whole show Game Debut where we pick
games and pick scores every week. That the list a
Defensive Rookie of the Year is crazy. Jalen Walker is
second at plus nine fifty. He's like fourth on their
edge group, So that's terrible.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Mikel.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Williams just doesn't seem like a guy that is going
to put up numbers.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Is third.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Mike Green of the Ravens. I guess he's a pass rusher,
is fourth, like Johad Campbell would maybe be the other one.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Other than that would be my sleeper because I am
there there's some magical potential of Johad Campbell in this Eagles.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
He's plus fifteen hundred and he's sixth on the list,
and yet these awards usually go to pass rushers and linebackers. Ye,
so Johad Campbell could apps get that quickly on assistant
coach because we've got Nick Westley.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Yeah, I'm good, ready to go.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
I'm going Jesse Minter on assistant Coach the Year because
I think he's going to take this Chargers defense and
from out coaching maybe a little bit of a talent
dearth and getting them to produce to a second year
of the system doing things a little bit differently than
others in that coaching tree do. And he's getting a.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Lot of buzz already in these sort of circles that
talk about who might be head coaching, you know, on
the head coaching radar in the twenty twenty six cycle.
So I do think that Jesse Minter would be a
top choice of mine for assistant coach of the year.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I think that any.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Of these, like.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Chip on their shoulder coming back to try to, you know,
show what they learned, defensive coordinators who are helping first
time offensive head coaches might be candidates for this. And
then I also think our sleeper is you know, King
Grizzard down in Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Oh, what is his actual Josh Gazzard, Josh Gazzard. I
love that. You know what's shocking, I'm looking this up
while you're talking, like, jesse Minner did not even come
in the top five last year for Assistant Coach of
the Year.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Which is crazy.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
What group exceeded expectations? Look, I love Ben Johnson and
I love Brian Flores, but if we're talking about exceeding
expectations and doing a lot with a little, those were
the top two. And then you had Aaron Glenn and
Vic Fangio and Joe Brady all great of course.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yeah, I mean I love Vic fanju I think.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Jesse Minner would have been a better pick for all
of them last year even.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Yeah, And I think again, we talk about markets and
eyeballs on teams and coverage of teams and all that stuff,
and so I think that's part of it. And I
also think some of it is you know, even players
like Diane Henley, who he really maximized out into being
one of the better linebackers in the NFL right now,
Like the way he was moving. Derwin James had like
(40:51):
a renaissance last year. All of that kind of flew
under the radar. Just saying so, I do think it's
time to give those guys a little bit more love.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
And in light of being the change we want to see,
my pick is going to be Titans offensive line coach
Bill Callahan because everyone is eligible for this award and
they only vote for coordinator. I know, so let's get
it going. That's a good offensive line. Maybe cam Ward
as a surprising season, but if Jeff Stoutlin didn't even
come in the top five for voting last year for
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the Eagles, is probably never gonna happen. Finally, speaking of
offensive lineman, the Protector of the Year award tough to
really handicap this ahead, but we'll try. Anyways, I know
Tristan Wurfs is hurt to start the season, but I'm
going to say he's going to come back and he's
going to look so good by the end of the year.
And their offense is in Grizzard is going to cook
(41:41):
so much that he wins it because I think he
might just be the best offensive lineman in football.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
Yeah, I really debated between him. The injury factor took
him out of consideration. For me, I was looking at
Piney Sewel. I really think that because of pine Sewel's
like body of work that he's built up to this point,
maybe the first one that they give is like Tobody,
who's deserved it for a little while. I also want
to know Joe Alt moving over to left tackle, if
he plays well out of position, that's somebody to look
(42:07):
at for here. And my like sleeper pick is if
Patrick Mahomes has a MVP season, we have to talk
about Josh Simmons at left tackle. Whoa or the potential
of like surprising everybody and getting this award, Because if
Patrick Mahomes is protected the way that he should be protected,
that would mean Josh Simmons as a rookie is doing
(42:28):
his job at the top level, and that would mean
that he should be in the conversation here.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
That would be wild and I wonder what his odds
are for offensive rookie of the year because.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
He's probably not even on there right now, Like nobody's
talking about this guy.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Nobody ever votes for offensive lineman for Rookies of the Year,
so it would be tough to pull off. But yeah,
I can't even find him there, like he's he's literally
not listed anywhere.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
I love that they called it Protector of the Year.
That's just good branding right there.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Honestly, I would love him winning that award. I don't
think it's gonna happen. You know what else, I love
the entire Wesseling family. We've got Nick Wesseling ready to
join the show. I don't know if he's had to
listen to us honk about the awards. We're just gonna
roll right into it. Yes, he is a member of
(43:23):
the Cincinnati Zoo, which is all the Westling Brothers. So
if I sometimes forget about new listeners, Nick, but I
do want to just bring up who you are as
we get it.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (43:34):
How are you doing? Nick?
Speaker 6 (43:35):
By the way, doing wonderful? Outstanding. Spent a couple of
weeks out of town on the West Coast a few
weeks ago, feeling relaxed and ready to rock and roll
for this football season.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Ah you look relax. You got the Cincinnati FC. I
know you're a big soccer guy the shirt on. But yes,
we are in the Chris Wesseling podcast studio. That is
Nick's brother, And it hit me today coming in that
we're we're coming on five years uh this super Bowl
when Chris died, and we love having the connection with
(44:10):
all the Westling brothers.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
But Nick is the loudest of.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
All of them, the one who just kind of is
a self appointed spokesman, maybe to the annoyance of all
the other brothers.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
But it's been extremely effective. Nick.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
I think it even got you to the best man
status at Chris's wedding. I gotta I gotta give it
up to you for that, and so we love to
have you on to talk, talk a little football and
just have a little more whistling in our life.
Speaker 6 (44:41):
Well, some people say loudest, some people say best. Either
either way, I'll take it. I was the middle child,
three old or three younger, so I didn't get paid
attention to unless they yelled and scream. But they taught
me at a at a young age to go ahead
and be heard.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
No, you kept it all together. Although I to me
not best.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
You know I love you all, and I think Phil
is probably the only one that's actually going to listen
to this. And it's also the week that we do
our fantasy league. My kids do a fantasy league, which
his son Mackie is in, and love Phil, love Mackie.
So no favorites here. But I know you have the
hottest of takes, Nick, So let's let's get into some football.
(45:23):
I gave you some prompts going into the year. I
wanted Nick some Nick Westling predictions. I have no idea
where you're going to go with this, but we just
did a bunch of awards. Do you have like an
awards prediction for this season?
Speaker 6 (45:36):
And this is going to sound like a Homer take,
but Joe Burrow will win the MVP this year. With
this awful defense that the Bengals look like they're trouting
out there, They're going to have to put up fifty
every game and I think they have the ability to
do that. So I think it's his best year yet.
I think the people will get a little tired of
(45:57):
voting for Lamar Jackson Patrick mahone, And even if they
have similar years, I think Joe Burrow's numbers out through
all of them, and he's your MVP for this year.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
Nick, what is your take on, like the internal rage
that Joe Burrow seems to be managing at all times when.
Speaker 5 (46:15):
He's on the sideline watching this defense. I know you
are locked into this as a storyline. What is your
take on just his I would say rage management would
be how I would I would call that.
Speaker 6 (46:28):
I tell you what. I think that's the reason people
like him so much, Yeah, is because he keeps it
cool even though you can tell he's furious. I think
it was about midway through last season when he was
given post press conferences and people were asking him questions
and he's just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's terrible. Yeah,
we got to do better, and you're just thinking, like, man,
(46:49):
he wants to punch the guy who asked that question.
Obviously he's not going to do that. And he's always
been a class fact. This bangles off season. I don't
know what the right word is. Tumultuous might be a
good word for it. They seem to at the last
second get it together and realize that they needed Trey Hendrickson.
(47:12):
You know, even the Shamar Stewart saga earlier, people have
forgotten about that because the Trey Hendrickson went all the
way through the preseason that you know, they just didn't
seem to have their stuff together. What do you think?
Speaker 1 (47:25):
What do you think Wes would think about? Where where
they're at? Because on one hand, this is the best era.
They're back in a winning era for the first time
since you guys were kids, and they have they found
the quarterback. I mean, he's going to be, if not already,
the best quarterback in the history of the franchise. And
yet they seem very like Bengals e what what like?
(47:47):
Where do you think he would be at? Where are
you guys at? It's it's such a weird, complicated relationship
the Wesseling family has with the Bengals.
Speaker 6 (47:55):
Yeah, it's it's I mean, so I'm more similar to Chris.
He was more vested and hated them. I was more indifferent.
I don't know, hate. Hate's probably the wrong word.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
No, I think I think Hay was accurate for a
long time, but I always felt like that was the
flip side of love, right, you know, he cared.
Speaker 6 (48:12):
Right, Yeah, yeah, if you want to go down that street, yeah,
they the indifference would be more what I was for
twenty years, obviously him working for the NFL, and then
even though the Andy Dalton years were frustrating, at least
they were competitive for most of that time, even the
Carson Palmer years, so it was easy. It was very
(48:34):
easy to get invested again with this team because they're
a lovable team. They got, you know, the receivers they have,
Joe Burrow, you know, even the coaching staff is a
little vanilla, but they seem to put their best players
in position to win. So they were an easy team
to root for. But then the organization does things like
they did this off season and even last off season,
(48:54):
not signing Higgins and Chase when clearly they wanted to
do it all along and they just had to pay
an extra fifty million dollars assignment to him. It seems
seems counterproductive to me, but obviously I'm not running the franchise,
so I don't really get a say in that. By
the way, Jordan, congratulations on the new gig. I love
and love reading your work.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
So oh no, I'm gonna cry. I guess.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
I guess when I heard your voice and I was
trying not to cry.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
You sound so much like Chris.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
You sound a lot like Chris. Yeah, and let.
Speaker 6 (49:24):
Me go ahead and say, Chris would be really proud too.
He liked you.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
He he really wouldn't. He was, and he was a
fan of Jordan's writing big time. And it is one
of those things you think about, like, you know, the
takes that we're missing from him. And it is interesting
because Burrow got hurt in that rookie year, and that
rookie year was was the last year that that Chris
was with us. And then of course that first year
(49:48):
where Burrows starting. We finish it, Nick, you and all
the brothers at Sofi Stadium and you know you're watching
it with Keisha. Keisha's got the jersey that she made
special for the day that was half Rams half Bengals,
and unfortunately it felt fitting that the Bengals came up short.
But it was a crazy day. I am I'm curious
(50:10):
about your reflections of that day. I'm also curious how
you think this team is going to be this year.
But let's think about that day for now.
Speaker 6 (50:16):
Well, well, we'll do the super Bowl. It still seems
a little surreal that that year was a wild ride. Obviously,
they seemed just like an average team until the last
few weeks of the regular season and they turned it on
and that defense kept making play after play after play. Unfortunately,
Joe Burrow was had me, you, Jordan and the produce
(50:41):
production team blocking in front of him that year, so
there wasn't much chance of him putting up some of
the numbers he's been putting up the last couple of years. Yeah,
that was a rough If you ever want to be entertained,
go back and look at that the starting five offensive
linemen in that Super Bowl and see three guys that
never played again, and uh another guy that that barely
(51:04):
played again, and then one who had a deep career.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
The second half of that game is the second half
of that game is brutal to rewatch because the Bengals
defense dominated Matthew Stafford and the Rams for so long
and they just and.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
Oh yeah, you're finding those guys up against von Miller
and Aaron Donald, you know, like yeah, they.
Speaker 6 (51:24):
Decided on the most important player of the game to
just go ahead and let Aaron Donald go and destroy
Joe Burrow. You know, half a second before Jamar Chase
is wide open.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
I gotta say that.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
We got drinks like one at your at your Airbnb
that you had nearby, and the Westling brothers were in
plenty of.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
Good spirits afterwards.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
It was we were feeling a lot obviously that entire year,
and we still do in that night especially, but you guys,
you guys were like enjoying, you were you were living
in the moment. I'm curious, what, okay, if you have
Joe Burrow winning m v P, what do you think
this team is going to do this year?
Speaker 6 (51:59):
So we'll know after week two. I think if they're
not two and oh, they're at the Browns and then
Jaguars at home before they go, I'm gonna have to
look at my cheat sheet here, my notes here, but
they have the next five games are absolutely brutal. I
think they have at who was it at at Vikings,
(52:21):
then then Broncos at home, Lions and I'm sorry, Broncos
on the road, Lions at home, Packers on the road,
Steelers at home. Before they on October.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Twenty, they're all looking at your schedule and saying, oh, no,
we got the Bengals that week.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Well, oh no, we've got the Bengals offense.
Speaker 6 (52:43):
But if they're not too and oh, I can't take
them serious this year. I think if they're, you know,
somewhere five and four going into the end of October
early November, I think they're legitimate contender for the Super Bowl.
I just think that Joe Burrow is that good and
it's off is that good that they can carry him.
He saw it at the end of last year. They
almost snuck in somehow. I think when they win five
(53:05):
straight games at the end, they make it interesting. It
gets frustrating watching this team and watching the organization, but
I can't take my eyes off of him.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
It's a crime if they are five and four even
or if they don't make the playoffs, like the heat
needs to be on Zach Taylor. It's it's an organizational failure.
The way Joe Burrow is playing to not be winning
like twelve games a year, I don't know how I
feel about it. Like on paper that the defense is
not going to be good, but but defenses are more unpredictable.
Nick Westling, are you gonna like text your brothers and
(53:41):
brag about this appearance or how how are you going
to handle it?
Speaker 6 (53:44):
No, we're going to find out which ones are still
listening to you. I know, I know filled regularly.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
I mean he was the only one. You guys were
the only two that ever did in the first place.
Who else? I don't think Tim.
Speaker 6 (53:56):
Tim was an avid listener and loved listening to the
old and I know he occasionally listens now and so
does Mike. Eddie was Eddie was listening. By the way, Eddie,
I don't know this is public, it's it's all out there.
But Eddie, my oldest brother, Ed had a battle with
cancer and he's doing very very well. He's in remission.
(54:17):
Everything's going well. He's being in his way back, so
he looks good, looking strong. So if he's listening, we
love you and uh and good to see you healthy again.
Speaker 3 (54:26):
Yeah, love Eddie.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Was always remember meeting Eddie at uh at Chris's wedding
down down in Tybee and being like, wait, this is
a Westling brother, because he just it's just different than
the rest of them, you know, just just a little different.
Love you, Nick, love love having you on and uh, yeah,
the season wouldn't have felt right to start with a
(54:49):
little a little Westling on the show.
Speaker 3 (54:50):
And hope to get you back for for one of
those Bengals primetime game recaps. Maybe down the line any time, Greg, all.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
Right, that's it. We're done for today. We're not done,
uh for this week. But Nick, by the way, you
you made Jordan's day.
Speaker 4 (55:06):
Yeah, I'm trying to I'm like, I'm blotchy because I was.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
I was trying not to cry.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
Nick.
Speaker 4 (55:12):
It is such an honor. Thank you so much for
joining the show. When I am on the show, I listen,
I've heard your voice and and all of that, and man,
you sound so much like Chris and I just it's
an honor.
Speaker 2 (55:27):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (55:28):
Nick. It was a pleasure. It was definitely not an
honor to have.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
You don't listen to Greg, I mean, that's.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
A little that's a little boutch, but it was. It
was a pleasure, a.
Speaker 6 (55:39):
Pleasure to be on with. Jordan's such a fantastic writer
and analyst. And well, it's always good to see you too, Greg.
Speaker 1 (55:47):
I guess that was get the music. Let's get out
of here. We will be back on Thursday. One of
my favorite annual shows of the year. I mean, imagine
if Nick Westling picked the right over unders in a
draft for four straight years undefeated, he would never freaking
(56:07):
stop talking about it. That's what I've done for the
last four years. Can I make it five? Nick Wright?
On Thursday. We'll see you
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