2025 NFL Draft Day 2 Recap!

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Nick Shook to recap rounds two and three of the 2025 NFL Draft. The guys starts with a discussion about Shedeur Sanders not being selected through three rounds (01:10), followed by break downs of the Saints selecting Tyler Shough (04:40), the Browns selecting Carson Schwesinger and Quinshon Judkins (10:00), and the Seahawks selecting Jalen Milroe (13:55). Gregg and Nick then tell you why they like what the Texans (15:15), Raiders (22:54), Patriots (28:10), Bears (38:30), and Lions (44:28) have done so far and give you more reaction from night two of the Draft. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where sometimes it's about the players
who didn't get picked. I'm Greg Rosenthal here on night
two of the NFL Draft. Rounds two and three are
in the books, and I am thrilled to be joined
for the first time this week by our friend Nick Shook.

(00:24):
Welcome from Cleveland, who is in the mix tonight with quarterbacks,
but not the one we would have expected.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah, they got in the mix throughout the night. Obviously
there's a big attention on them because of quarterback, but
a shocker of sorts near the back end of the
third round that I'm sure we're going to get into that.
I'm also sure nobody saw coming. Right.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
You want to lead the show with Dylan Gabriel, go
do it.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
You just wrote a post Nick is on NFL dot
com right now like pounded out posts, And yes, it
was kind of the appropriate code to a night that
I think will be remembered because Shador Sanders didn't get drafted,
and we'll get into some of the reasons why. And
I don't want the whole show to be about should
or we'll go through the other teams and all the
interesting picks throughout the night kind of give you some

(01:07):
highlights and winners, some losers, all of that. But I
don't think it we're making too big of a deal
of it to talk about one of the most well
known players in college football over the last few years,
that was on a lot of big boards, in the
top twenty five, a contensus first round pick at quarterback,
who falls this far. It's not just because his last

(01:28):
name at Sanders. It's because of an entire ecosystem that
not only maybe evaluated him in a way that was
unfair to him and was wrong, but an entire league
that just says, like, we don't even want you as
our backup. We would rather have Jalen Milroe and Dylan
Gabriel and Shoulder Serranders will wind up on a team

(01:48):
on Saturday. But just kind of your thoughts watching the
whole night.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Transpire like that, it was definitely pretty shocking. You know,
it was not entirely surprising that he didn't go last night,
but I thought at some point, perhaps even at thirty
three at the Browns and the Clock, that he would
be in play. I know a lot of the TV
talk was centered around the fact that he didn't go
in the first round, that he would be one of
the top people to pay attention to going into Day
two or Night two of the draft. And now that

(02:13):
we're at the end of Night two and he's still available, well,
now we kind of have to pick up the pieces
and figure out why. We really won't know why at
least for a while. At some point we'll find out.
But yes, definitely a shock as we get to day
three tomorrow and he's still not taken.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Like multiple things can be true.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
He's not as physically talented or exciting in some ways
as a Jalen Milroe or even a Tyler Shuck, and
you can see why individual teams preferred Shuck. You can
see that Kellen Moore would see Shuck as his kind
of quarterback. He also is a guy that I think
teams probably look at and it's not about his personality,

(02:53):
it's about being worried about can we handle it? And
they're almost, as Patrick Claiban would say on Blue Sky Tonight,
afraid to compete, like they would rather take a guy
like Dylan Gabriel who's a clear backup and they don't
have to deal with any questions that come with Shoudar Sanders,
and ultimately picks like that do.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Happen in NFL drafts.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
It's not always players as famous as Shouldar Sanders. But
it's also weak sauce to me. You know, Dylan Gabriel
should not be going in.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Front of him.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Now, I agree, and I understand that there are questions
about certain abilities or maybe he's just not all that special.
And it's not a great quarterback class to begin with,
and that's probably part of why we saw him elevated
in last year's class. He's not in those top four
or five guys that end up going anyway in the discussion,
But you're absolutely right in the fact that teams are
choosing to go with peace or quiet and not a

(03:41):
bunch of attention paid, especially now that we're in the
backup quarterback range, because I think they made a good
point tonight on NFL Network as well, which is that
at this point you're drafting him to be your backup,
do you want the attention that's going to come with that?
And you know, not to turn it back to Cleveland,
But when I was with them with the Browns, that
was when Odell was on the roster, and that was
when if Odell wasn't healthy to play, it was all
about Odell all the time, and it was a constant buzz,

(04:03):
and it wasn't necessarily the most positive buzz, so I
could understand why some teams wouldn't want that to affect them,
unless you're a really stable franchise that knows you have
a defined starter. But yeah, I agree, it's kind of
weak sauce you don't want to compete so well. We
won't know for a while exactly why so many teams
have now passed on him, but eventually we will find out.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
There really were fewer teams I think, that were in
the quarterback market this draft that than usual, And it
really was a week quarterback draft. And I watched Shadir
Sanders his tape and it's not special tape. It doesn't
look like the type of guy who would normally get
taken early.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
But let's go to Tyler Shuck.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
When a guy like Tyler Shuck gets taken fortieth overall,
it does remind you that this is a premium position
that gets pushed up drafts. Tyler Schuck goes to the
Saints at forty. He is older than Brock Perdy. My
favorite thing I learned tonight in the entire draft is
that Juwan Johnson and him were once teammates at Oregon.
Juwan Johnson is a tight end on the Saints who's

(04:59):
enter in his sixth NFL season and his third NFL contract.
This is a guy in Shuck that had a ton
of different injuries. He is talented, he can throw the ball,
he can move, he's athletic. Jordan Rodrieg pointed out on
this show that he's Kellen Morris type of guy.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Maybe it was to me privately. I don't think I'm
giving it away.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
It was just her, you know, connecting dots of the
type of guy who's gonna basically do exactly what the
play is called and and go from there. I just
look at Shuck and I see a guy with injury
history that absolutely crumbles when pressure is around him in
the pocket. And yeah, you can say Shirr Sanders, for instance,

(05:43):
holds the ball too long like that dude is not afraid.
That is maybe the number one thing I'm looking for
in a quarterback pocket presence. Every NFL quarterback can handle,
you know, throwing the ball when they're protected. Well, the
difference in the NFL is can you handle it when
some pressure is around you? Do you have the pocket presence,
you have the movement. Do you have special skills to

(06:03):
create plays? Sanders maybe isn't doing that as much, but
Shuck did not have that at all. So I don't
think this pick is going to be great for them,
and I think Tyler Shuck might be their Week one
starting quarterback. It is crazy to me that I think
they just took a bridge quarterback as their number forty
over all bick because I kind of think them taking
Shuck told me they don't expect Derek Carr back. I

(06:23):
might be wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised to see
Derek Carr traded this offseason. It would have to be
after June first.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
If that happens, well, yeah, because there are some terns
about his availability. Right, But Greg, I'm old enough to remember,
and I've been in this game long enough now to
remember when Tyler Schuck was lighting up at the Elite
eleven and when he was going to Oregon and everyone
was like, this is such a good get for the Ducks.
This is so I remember when I'm listening to back
when there was a PAC twelve network, Yogi Roth talking
about Tyler Shuck. Probably it was a massive get for

(06:51):
the Ducks back then. That was a long time ago.
And yet the first person I think of and that
this is gonna be the common comp is going to be, well,
the Browns once spend a first round pick on Brandon Weed,
and so it can't be that bad. Well, it can
be that bad if you have no other options. But
then again, we're also in a world in which you
can spend the fortieth overall pick on a quarterback be bad,
and then spend the top pick or a top five

(07:12):
or top ten pick on a Kyler Murray the next
year or a payer of that caliber.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
That is what I was saying when I think like
they might have just drafted a bridge quarterback fortieth overall
because if it just doesn't go well with this year,
and there's not allow a reason to believe the Saints
team is going to go particularly well, they'll be back
in the quarterback market a year from now and you'll
have like a reasonably priced back up.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
It's not that crazy.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth because
I always say take a quarterback every year until you
find one, So they're giving him a shot. I think
he's more talented than Brandon Whedon. You know who he
kind of reminds me of, is another quarterback that went
in the second round who actually had a lot of
physical gifts, certainly better college production than Tyler Schuck, can

(07:53):
make all the throws, but doesn't really play well under pressure.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
A guy by the name of a Car, how about that.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Coming out of Fresno State, Carr was a better prospect,
but he was a second round pick for a reason,
and I think that was it. And he was a
guy that I've never like loved watching because he doesn't
play that great under pressure. And yeah, this Car thing
to point it out, He's got a shoulder injury that
could need surgery or it might not. It seems like

(08:21):
there's something going on between the Saints and Derek Carr.
Reportedly he asked for a raise earlier this offseason that
they didn't give to him. He sounded like, you kind
of wanted to go elsewhere. They would take a huge
cap hit if they trade him anywhere before June first.
But if you told me this adventure ends with Derek
Carr being a backup somewhere Cleveland, I don't know. Cleveland

(08:41):
has too many quarterbacks now, Like in August, after someone
gets hurt.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
That kind of is how I see that ending.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
But yeah, I think Tyler Shuck is like the second
most likely you know rookie to be starting like week one.
If I was going like which rookie is starting earliest, Himmer, Jackson, Dart,
I would go s Tyler Shuck just a guess.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, because of the situation with car that makes sense.
Although I will say I don't think the Browns have
too many quarterbacks. I think that they remain in play
beyond the drive even after Dylan Gabriel. You have we
got Joe, Joe Flacco, and Dylan Gabriel. And in the
last week and a half, when I was spending all
this time with the you know, assorted family members, all
I got was a million questions about Joe Flacco. Well,

(09:23):
I'm glad to see they got Joe Flacco back, and
I had to disappoint all of them in one fell
swoop and saying what you got in twenty twenty three
is not going to happen again. One of those guys,
not Dylan Gabriel. Less it's an abject disaster which they
don't expect is going to be expendable if a better
option becomes available that that that situation is not set
right now. So now don't be any picket.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Don't forget Kenny. Kenny Pickett is there as well.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
And yes, Dylan Gabriel shout out to the to the
short kings out there, like I'm rooting for him. Just
an undersized guy who kind of profiled as a potential
long term backup. People thought he might go to Miami
because maybe a similar stide to a tongue by Loa
and it's the fancy is good with quarterback, so they
might have found it while we're on Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
It's just okay.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
They tick the very first pick, Tonight Schwessinger, the linebacker
out of UCLA. Then they come back and they take
quinch On Judkins, the running back out of Ohio State,
who was hilariously in the bathroom. We believe he wasn't
in the room when they called him and so his
mom had to pick up the phone. You thought it

(10:23):
was going to be Travon Henderson, it ended up being
his teammate Judkins, the bruiser whos kind of like the
Nick Chubb replacement. And then they take tight end Harold
Fannon Junior, who was a really unique player so a
lot of offensive talent. Chwessinger was a guy who I
thought might even go in the first round, and off
ball linebacker.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
As a Browns fan, what do you think about the
Browns Draft?

Speaker 2 (10:41):
I think it was a It was an interesting there's
there's takes and angles on each of these. So let's
start with Judkins because I just have to explain myself
real quick, some mixed signals of sorts in the back
channels that go on during the draft here in which, yeah,
I thought it was going to be Travon Henderson and
it wasn't. But when I think about the two running
back they're two different that worked really well in tandem,
in part because Judkins, at least when you watch him

(11:04):
on tape and then you watch him at the combine,
I think he's an incredible route runner and he's going
to be a threat in that area. And he's the
type of back that they're going to need to get
some stability in the backfield because they've just been cycling
through guys since Nick Chubb got hurt in twenty twenty three,
and they need some sort of stability there. Don't be
surprised if they find a way to bring Nick Chubb back,
and it's sort of a weird three man backfield with
him and Jerome Ford now Judkins. But I like that

(11:25):
pick a lot. And then we go back to Schweshnder right. Okay,
So at thirty three that's where I thought it was
going to be Henderson. It ends up being him. And
what it signaled to me was two things. One, this
is a regime that does not draft linebackers often. The
last linebacker of note that I can remember that they
drafted in the first two or three rounds was Jeremiah
Usu Koramoa, who also suffered an injury last year that

(11:47):
has many people concerned whether he's going to play again.
The Browns have remained KOI on the matter throughout the offseason.
They have not given any details. They've kept it all
very close to the vest, and I think it suggests
one of two things. Either we're going for death or
we're going for options, because we don't know if Jok
is going to be able to play again. Now. The
assistant general manager, Glenn Cook quickly came out right after

(12:08):
the pick and said not doesn't have anything to do
with Jok. We just liked him. We liked him and
how he fits in our defense, I don't believe you.
I think that's because you're concerned that jok is never
going to play again or won't play against the same
year and that.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
J Okay, you know what, they can fit together. I
think schwesteners like a maybe a little more traditional. I
would say, not as versatile, because no one's as versatile.
So it's a position also that takes you a couple
of years to really get up to speed at the
NFL level, and someone that people were really excited about,

(12:41):
so you take them. It's a pick for the future,
like all these picks should be. But yeah, I'm interested.
Judkins maybe the biggest Fantasy football winner of the entire
night because there's a clear path to a whole lot
of carries in Cleveland, all right.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Touches just touches in general, because I think he's going
to be a pass catcher as well. And oh and
I'm fan and as well. Isaiah likely was my comp
when I'm sitting there watching in Indie. I saw that
pop up a lot tonight. I love this guy as
an athlete. I'm also a Matt guy, and he stays
in the state of Ohio. The Browns went with two
of the three guys they drafted, and I played college
ball at Ohio and Fannon played football at Mt. McKinley

(13:18):
High School, which, by the way, they play their games
right next to the Hall of Fame. So they went
with the local ties. They're gonna meet their fans happy.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah, and Fan And if you go back on NFL
Daily and go back to the first time we talked
about prospects this entire offseason with with Nate Tyson, he
pointed out fan and as just one of the totally
bizarre unicorns in this draft. And it's such a good
tight end draft. I'm looking forward to how these guys
all fit in. He's one of them.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
You know.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
One of the first comments we got tonight, if you're
listening to this on audio, we love you. We did
decide to go live on YouTube late on a Friday
night in Cleveland. One of the first comments was from
Brad Keo saying Seahawks having a sneaky great draft, and.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
I totally agree with that.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
They took team athlete, and they finished their night by
taking Jalen Milroe out of Alabama, And I was thinking,
how in another world where Shadur Sanders doesn't exist. The
conversation of like, when is Milroe gonna go? We've been
through these drafts enough to know that would have been
the conversation instead of Shud because you've got to attach

(14:23):
the broadcast to a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Everyone knows at some point.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
And it's not a shot that Milroe went, you know,
late third, but I think people thought he might go
in the second round. But once you get into the
second round, yeah, you're thinking about him as a developmental player,
and he ends up going to Seattle.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
But that's not the only athlete they took.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
They moved up to take Nick him Unworri, the safety
who was in the top twenty of DJ's big board.
Just a crazy good athlete, and now he lands with
Mike McDonald who's a perfect coach for him to get
something out of him. They actually gave up the second
round pick that they got in the DK Metcalf trade
to move up and take Wori, so that was a

(15:01):
big statement there.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
And then they.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Also get Elijah Arroyo, a pass catching tight end at
number fifty overall, so he's a great pass catching athlete.
Em and Wory is an insane athlete. Grey Zabel their
first round pick, who can play multiple positions on offensive line,
insane athlete.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
And then my favorite guy maybe the entire draft.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
We did our guys on forties in free agents, nick
and the two I picked were Jalen Milroe and Kyle.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Williams, who ended up on my Patriots.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
We'll get to them, and I love Milroe ending up here.
I thought it was interesting. Ian Rappaport said, expect him
to have a role right away, and that's what I
love to hear because to me, I look at Jalen
Milroe and I think you start his career out he's
playing quarterback, but you also work on some Taysom Hill
like packages and he could be really exciting and a

(15:53):
lot for the defense to handle.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, the long term is to figure out if he
can develop as a passer, because there was one college
game in particular in this past year at Alabama where
they went on the road at Oklahoma and got kind
of destroyed. They got dominated, at least in terms of
score because Oklahoma just said throw the ball, we dare you.
We're just not going to let you run. So I
think when he starts, he'll be a runner. But eventually,
if you can develop him as a passer. He could

(16:16):
be your long term successor. I just found it kind
of funny that they traded away Gino Smith to sign
Sam Darnold to then draft Jalen Milroe. Like it was
like an ideological shits back to the line of scrimmage
guy and then they go and get Miller. They're like, well,
we love athletes, so we just want to have both,
you know. So it'll be a fun little wrinkle for
them to start. I would definitely expect to see him
on the field in some sort of running package, Taysom Hill,

(16:38):
goal line situations, something like that, shortyard situations, a little
bit of misdirection, that sort of thing will be fun.
And I'm glad that they had the courage to not
only draft him, but to jump up in front of
the Browns who could have used Emon Warri and they
take him before the Browns have an opportunity to take him.
Very smart on their part.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Okay, so you think that you think that, I think.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
It was down here, it was down to that, or
it was down to one of the running backs and
Judkins end up being the guy.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
When they made that trade up, I was like, They're
going to go get Emon Warri because I thought it
was down to two guys for the Browns at that point.
Smart move out of the Seahawks front office.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
I love that these picks at the top of the
second round like a so much thought goes into everything
overnight and then then you make that trades and they
were just like a million trades tonight. So that's where
Milroe goes. And I love this Seahawks draft. And yes,
it would be my platonic ideal of a quarterback controversy

(17:32):
for Darnold to kind of struggle this year a little
bit and in comes mill Roe. Chaos saves, saves the
day's chaos. It's probably not going to happen, all right.
Those were the quarterbacks, the notable ones that end up going.
You know, Will Howard from Ohio State still hasn't been taken.
And there was some some buzz that you know, teams

(17:53):
other than John Gruden actually liked him a lot.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
So he's another guy to the team now.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
I mean John grew in and I think he said
on his video that it was his number one quarterback
in the entire draft. I actually did hear some buzz
that that coaching tree liked him, but they didn't like
him enough to take him in the first three rounds.
Let's just talk about some other interesting drafts. Let's go Texans.
They take Jaden Higgins out of Iowa State in the

(18:22):
second round, and then they take Jalen Noel, the slot receiver,
big slot out of Iowa State, wide receiver in the
third round. And before the draft, kind of the comp
for Jaden Higgins was, man if everything worked out, body
type and kind of pre draft profile, kind of like
Nico Collins Jalen Noel pre draft profile, man if everything

(18:44):
kind of worked out, big slot, kind of straight, like
you're going to have to have a very specific role
for him, but maybe Christian Kirk. And there they are,
joining the actual Christian Kirk, the actual Nico Collins, and
giving c J. Stroud some weapons. They went huge on offense.
Then I also taking the tackle Arante Ersery in the
second round as well.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, I thought it was interesting that they were just
like piling up receivers because they've kind of cycled through
some guys over the last couple of years ago the
digs you've got, you know, Tank Dell getting hurt each
of the last two years. So good on Nick Cassario
for having again the courage to just be like, screw it,
Let's just keep adding receivers to this room and see
how deep we can get and see which one's work
and which ones don't. Who can give us a long

(19:26):
term plan at the position because you have the quarterback
so you can afford to spend on weapons for him
and just try him out and see who fits and
who doesn't. Overall, solid pick picks for them. I liked
most of their draft to this point. Now, granted we're
only through three rounds, but got to give him a
tip of the captain, Nick Caserio. I thought he had
a good night.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
I think they probably wanted to come out of this
draft with more offensive linemen. And ERSII was a guy who,
as Jeremiah said on the broadcast, was divisive and he
he's pretty kind in the way he talks about things
on the on the broadcast, and to me, that was
a guy where some teams just thought he couldn't play

(20:04):
football and other teams were going to draft him in
the second round, that he was extremely raw and will
have to be coached up. And when they traded out
of the first round right after who was it Donovan
Jackson got taken right in front of them. I thought
that was, like, man, all the offensive linemen got taken
before we could get one, and so they ended up

(20:25):
getting some exciting weapons tonight. But Higgins is a really
intriguing player, and so's Jalen Noel. I'm more excited to
watch the Texans than I was yesterday, And to me,
that's a success for day two of the draft. Let's
tuck Cowboys Donovan Ezeraku, one of my guys some value
there in the second round, the pass rusher from Boston College.

(20:46):
And then Revel the cornerback who you know, some people
might thought might go in the second round, maybe even
the first round.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
He falls through the third round.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
The Cowboys actually had a draft to me, other than that,
you had the Tyler Booker pick, which people do not expect.
But the day too, they made picks where if the
Eagles had made him or the Ravens had made them,
everyone would have been like, oh, wow, that's Howie Be
and Howie again that that's that's the Ravens doing what
they do. They took really premium talent at positions they
absolutely need that fell further than expected, and I thought

(21:16):
they got better today.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah. I thought the Ezraraka pick was interesting because he
was still available. I thought the Falcons probably could have
waited for somebody like that before they traded back in
the first round to take, you know, two guys on
the first night of the draft. So Cowboys getting good
value there. I love the Booker pick yesterday. You knew
that was one of my guys going into it. So
and it's interesting in this draft that you know, we
talked about the secondary, and we talked more about safeties

(21:39):
than corners. It's not a great cornerback draft, but a
lot of the corners that end up going later are
either guys that fell because of past injury concerns or
some worry in one area or another. Like another team
that running get two later, they took a corner out
of Florida State that was like, oh, well, you know,
he didn't run a good forty, but the tape looks
really good. So not like a perfect complete valualuation or

(22:00):
picture on most of these guys, and yet there's still
value there. So I think the Cowboys, for where they
were picking throughout the draft, didn't make any drastic moves,
but picked according to need and guys available and did
a very good job of balancing the two and these
are two examples of it.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, it's Shavon Revel Junior. I was trying to make
I was just making sure I didn't. I always want
to call him Sharon for some reason. But Shavon Revel
Junior out of East Carolina. And yeah, the Cowboys have
multiple picks. By the way, one of our people in
the chap point out in the fifth, sixth, and then
three picks in the seventh. Maybe they're a shad Or team.

(22:34):
I think they would. I think they fit the type
of team that would make sense. Obviously there's the Jerry
Jones and Dion Sanders connection, but I think at this
point he makes sense on a team that has a
secure starting quarterback and doesn't mind a little bit of
noise or feels like they can handle that, so that
the Cowboys fit there. I thought the Raiders had an

(22:55):
interesting night just because they kept trading down over and
over and over again. And it just reminded me when
we had John spy Tech, their new GM on and
he was just saying how precious those draft picks were
to him, and so you know, it hurt them a
little bit to draft Gino Smith. I mean to trade
the pick away for Gino Smith, And they ended up

(23:17):
picking up a ton of picks and then just trying
to fill needs by taking a bunch of guys later
in the draft. So they trade down and down and
down and pick up a couple of picks in this
class and in next year's class, and they end up
with Jack Besh the wide receiver out of TCU, Darien Porter,
the cornerback out of Iowa State, Caleb Rodgers, a guard
out of Texas Tech, Charles Grant kind of a boomer

(23:39):
Bus tackle out of William and Mary. And my point
here is like they just feel like they have a
ton of moves, And I thought they came into the
day with a plan to try to really get a
lot of players when they didn't have a lot of
picks coming into the day, and they wound up doing that.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Yeah, a successful way of trading down, acquiring more capital,
and spending it accordingly. Now, there's no guarantee that, you know,
some of these late round, late third round picks end
up panning out, but the idea is it's kind of
throwing Spagheti at the wall and seeing with sticks, especially
with these two compensatory picks that they did use on
Rogers and Grant. I'm just really happy that they got
a receiver because they had like the smallest receiving corps

(24:12):
in the NFL last year, and every time I looked
at their roster in the last couple of months, I
was just like, God, please add another receiver for Gino
Smith outside of Jacoby Myers. So I'm glad that they
picked up one there, and they are now an intriguing
team to watch on Day three just because they still
have what eight more six more picks. Mental math is
hard in order to kind of wrap up this class

(24:33):
Bithics for his class, so very interesting to watch.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, I think the Raiders are doing a good job.
You can see the difference. Ian by the way, reported
that the Titans and the Raiders traded out right after
Jayden Higgins got taken, so he is saying his information,
if he's putting that out there, was that they were
Jaden Higgins teams potentially both the Titans and the Raiders,
which would make sense in terms of their needed and

(24:57):
it is interesting. I think you look back at the
wide receiver class in Higgins's size and potential downfield ability.
I think he ended up being a little more highly
thought of by NFL teams and kind of being as
strong what would he be wide receiver five in this class,
like a strong guy that was not going to end
up lasting too long. So I have good news for

(25:18):
the Patriots, awesome draft by them. But I have bad
news that I'm going to start with, and that's that
the Jets are a well run organization now like they
have they I mean, they just feel like they have
adults with a vision running their team right now, being
allowed to do what they want to do. I love

(25:40):
the armand Membu pick. I liked it better than Will Campbell.
I love the Mason Taylor pick, the tight end out
of LSU in the second round. And then you mentioned
Azariah Thomas, the Florida State cornerback, who to me is
a perfect Aaron Glenn type of cornerback. I just feel
like the Jets are doing a really good job and
I can just see the types of guys that they want,
and man, I think we just have a good feeling

(26:00):
about what the Jets are doing.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, only three picks spent through three rounds, but all
three value picks that I think are proper for what
they needed. Like, first pick comes off the board last
night and I'm in the slack. Good job Jets. Second
pick comes off the board tonight, Mason Taylor, Good job
Jets as array of Thomas, Good job Jets. And that's
what I'm talking about, where he didn't run the fast forty,
but he's sudden on tape. You know, he sudden in

(26:23):
terms of closing speeds pecsue when he drives down the ball,
bigger corner can get physical. They need that type of
presence in that secondary, and they really needed a tight end.
All those mock drafts coming into Tyler Warren's going to
go to them for sure in the first round, doesn't happen.
Colston Lovelin's going to go to them in the first round,
doesn't happen. They end up getting another really good, really
polished tight end who I think is just scratching the

(26:44):
surface in Mason Taylor, and immediately fill that need. They
also now have bookend tackles, having spent two first round
picks on tackles in the last two years. This is
how you build a good football team. And this is
a football team that has been too attracted by the
shiny diamond in the corner that ends up being fools
gold looking at you, Aaron Rodgers. And now they've kind
of reset themselves under new leadership and they're doing the

(27:07):
right things so far.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
So I just think they underside board. They understood the
board that I don't know if they liked Elijah Royo
or not. Obviously you have to accept that maybe we're
not going to get Mason Taylor or the tight end
we want. Maybe they like Terrence Ferguson, who's a tight
end that the Rams ended up taking in the second
round that I think the league was a little higher
on than some of the consensus boards out there in

(27:28):
the Rams. By the way, while we're on it, you know,
said to Rich eisen Less, Sneed said, or was it
to Dan and Jeremiah that yeah, they really thought the
player that they wanted at twenty six was probably going
to be there at forty six, and then they took
Terrence Ferguson. I think they just love themselves some Terrence Ferguson.
But my point about the Jets is like they understood
the tackle market was totally desolate after the first round.

(27:52):
I think that the Texans might have reached a little
bit for ursery, and then it got really grim and
people just kept, you know, taking tackles, even though like
the drop off is believed to be really big, whereas
the drop off to Mason Taylor, I don't think is
as big. I think he's gonna play a lot. I
think Azareah Thomas is going to play a lot in
the NFL. All right, we've wasted enough time. Let's just
mention that I had a chance on the podcast with

(28:17):
Daniel Jeremiah to pick my two favorite players going into
the draft, and I just like watching Jalen Milroe play.
I'm not sure what kind of career he has, but
I wanted to plant my flag on Kyle Williams, Washington
state wide receiver. I just did not understand why he
was not viewed as a top five receiver in this class.
His ability to just explode at in terms of his speed,

(28:38):
but his movement ability to throttle down and up, that
to me is like the type of guy a little
like Jordan Addison. I was like, to me, he's like
a guy that gets taken in the first round. Normally
he ends up falling all the way to the top
of the third round. They also took ye boy Traveon Henderson,

(28:58):
the running back out of Ohio State, at the top
of the second round, like positional value. I wasn't sure,
but I do get the idea of let's just build
and get premiere weapons around Drake May and they just
thought he was better than any wide receiver that was
available there. And then you look that they got the
value Kyle Williams in the third round. I think that

(29:19):
ended up being perfect for them because I think the
drop off at running back was bigger. And then you
add a really athletic tackle in Jared Wilson from Georgia
who just is incredibly high upside, and we'll see if
that works out. But he's kind of the high upside
pick where I wasn't thrilled with the Will Campbell pick. Well,
here's a high upside guy late in your third round.
So I am excited that they are going all offense.

(29:40):
Good job by it.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
At the Patriots, I was really hoping you had mentioned
Wilson because, as I've told you many times before, and
I will reinforce right now, there are a few guys
at every combine. Sometimes there are more than others that
just move differently and you can just see it from
the stands and you can tell that that guy's going
to be good at the next level. And the guy
this year for me, among maybe all all the linemen,
was Jared Wilson the center. To see them get him

(30:03):
in the third round was massive because we knew the
offensive line issues they've dealt with. You got to protect
your quarterback, You got to have kind of a nerve
center for your offensive line. The guy who's calling out
all the blocking and everything and identifying the mic. That's
your center. That's Jared Wilson. That is my favorite pick
out of all of them for them, because, like you said,
you know, positional value at that point. With Henderson, I'm

(30:24):
not so certain certain unless you're trying to build a
two headed.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah, you're a Buckeye guy. What do you think about him?
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (30:29):
I mean? I think he's he's a he has a
you know, I think about he's got a little bit
of Nick chubbing him in the top gear, the top
gear in the breakaway speed is definitely there.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
He's a home run hitter. Yes hit, Sorry I cut
you off like he never was the guy. So I
guess he fits with Ramandre.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Well, he wasn't the guy because he got hurt a
lot at Ohio State, but when he was healthy, he
was able to break off the big runs due it twice.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Maybe the reason they had to bring in Quinchin john
Gins because they're because college is like the NFL now,
and you just bring in players from other teams missed
in terms of dunkins. He couldn't handle the load, so
that worries me a little. He has a unique still
set and that he's a home run hitter. I don't
think like he has a natural what I like, which
is the natural feel of like making people miss in

(31:13):
small areas.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Does he have that sort of vision. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
But he's an incredible pass protector. Maurice Jones Drew talked
about it that Eric b Enemy was sending him texts
late at night of just like, watch this guy in
pass pro.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
So he's going to be a great guy.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
And it's coming from MJD who had one of the
greatest pass pro highlights in the history of running backs
in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Right, and so he and he's good on third downs.
He's a good receiver too, So that's a great skill
set to have. You have two different three down backs
and him and reminded comple. It's also, though, what happens
when you keep replacing decision makers? And I know in
theory Elliot Wolf is still there. I mean he is
still there. He's a voice that's in the room. But
by all accounts, according to the reporters there, Greg Badard,

(31:53):
for instance, of the Boston Sports Journal, that team is
run by Mike Rabel, and that team is run by
I think it's Cowden. And you know the two guys
that Mike Rabel brought in, who are his guys and
they're making decisions. So Romandre gets a huge contract lats June.
I don't think Mike Rabel would have necessarily given him
that contract. There's no point in getting off that contract.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Now.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
He's a useful player, and I'm excited they went and
they tried to help out my boy. I think Kyle
Williams is going to be a lot better than Jalen Polk.
Ryan in the chat says, I also love the Patriots draft.
Greg can hate on Campbell all he wants. The draft
has been great. Oh yeah, the Patriots are gonna win
draft grades this year, you know. And I love that

(32:33):
I hope it all works out. I don't put a
lot into draft grades, but I do I like the
thought process behind it going all offense. You know another
year where they won a lot of draft grades. I
believe it was twenty nineteen, the year after they won
that Super Bowl ended up being like one of.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
The worst drafts of all time.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Let's talk about the Steelers tonight, and this is a
bigger trend. George Pickens still on the team. This is
true of a lot of the veterans out there. If
they're going to be traded, it's going to be on
Day three, or it's going to be after the draft,
because no one's been traded. Patrick Ramsey is still on
I mean the Jalen Ramsey is still on the Dolphins.

(33:10):
Shout out to Patrick Ramsey, Classic two Lane, two thousand
and two. Dyer Alexander He's still on the Packers. Kirk
Cousins is still on the Falcons, and Dallas Goddard still
on the Eagles. But while Pickens is still there, and
I'm not sure because we saw a report that they're
kind of open for business on him, it really sounds

(33:31):
like after they passed on Shudar Sanders, a number of time,
a couple of times tonight that they are confident it's
going to be Aaron Rodgers. This is what Art Rooney
said on Steelers Nation Radio. We're getting the same signals
that we've been getting recently. He does not want he
does want to come here, So I do think we

(33:51):
may get word soon. He also said, by the way,
if we took a QB, it would not be someone
we would want to play right away.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
It would be a developmental.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
QB at this point, right But he said that in
the middle of the second round. But yeah, you sort
of gave that away. That's the owner of the team,
And maybe that means Rogers was waiting to make sure
the draft didn't get funky, that they didn't take like
shitter in the first round.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
He didnt want to deal with that. Who knows. They
sound confident he's joining the team.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
I mean, as you've waited long enough, you better be.
You've kind of backed yourself into a corner where your
entire stock, your entire wagon has hitched to Aaron Rodgers
forty one year old horse. But I mean, okay, all right,
that solves one of the issues. And they don't have
a lot of picks to work with. They've made two
picks so far, and I like both of their picks.
Derek Carmon when they drafted him, I was like, oh sweet,
Now Kim Hayward can actually, like seriously entertain retiring in

(34:41):
the near future if he wants to, instead of just
being the guy who's like, yeah, I'll continue playing because
I'm still good and you don't have any other options here.
And then Caleb Johnson the running back. They add a
bruiser of a back that kind of fits their mold.
They let Naujy go and then they replace him with him,
so that's fine. But this is all quarterback driven, of course.
And after passing on quarterbacks, you know, twice and not
moving up to get one, you're right. It is Aaron Rodgers,

(35:03):
and I hope it goes better for them than he
did for the Jets. That's all.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
It can't go much worse, but I'm not overly optimistic.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
We'll see.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Caleb Johnson is such a predictable Steelers pick that they
just look like the best straight line, downhill running back
from the Big ten that was available at eighty three.
He's a bit of a home run hitter, maybe not
my flavor. Again, maybe I have a certain type where
he's not making you miss in a small area, but.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
In a perfect world he would be.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
I mean, he's not Naja Harris either in terms of
like breaking tackles, but he certainly could be more of
a home run hitter and a guy you use to
pick up yards and in short yardage. Let's just throw
out some other picks that just like stuck out to
us as we wrap this thing up, and I got
a bunch and we'll just go back and forth. Like
Will Johnson, the Michigan cornerback ends up falling to the

(35:59):
Cardinals in the middle of the second round. Apparently it
was medical concerns his knee and maybe not great tape
in his last year at Michigan, but really sounds like
it was more like his knee that. I love that though,
in terms of if you're going to take a risk
on an injured guy middle of the second round, for
a guy who could have been CB one in this class.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, you do it later. You do it when the
risk is less, when the potential for blowing a high
value pick is less, and you hope that he can
get healthy and get back to who he was before
and then suddenly you look like a genius. It's as
simple as that. So he was one of the best
Michigan corners in recent years, like Mikey Sanders still ends
up with Washington last year and I think Will Johnson
was a better corner than him. So good for them.

(36:38):
We'll see if it pay, if it pans out. You know,
it's all health driven and it makes a ton of sense.
That's that's I mean, this is why we do the
combine in Indie because the hospitals are all right there
and the medicals are the most important thing that they
can get. Obviously that cost some concern, but you know,
at that point in the second round, you take that risk.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
You know, what the draft is partly about for me
after going through like the content cycle for so many years,
is I can see what we're going to be talking
about now for the next four months because we don't
have regular season football for a while here, and the
thing like, no, it's good, we.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Could all use a little bit of a breather.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
But the Cardinals defense is something that I'm going to
talk too much about, and I don't want to get
off that take because my first instinct is right the
amount of people that are extremely talented that they have
added to this defense, which is already schemed up great
is awesome. I mean, you add Josh Sweat, you add

(37:35):
Kalayis Campbell, you bring back some injured players in terms
of bj Ojala, you have Baron Browning, and then you've
got to add what to me was the most talented
defensive tackle in this class in Walter Nolan in the
first round, and then one of the most talented cornerbacks
in the class. And Will Johnson is just like, this
is a go time season for the Cardinals. I'm excited
and I have a feeling that I won't be the

(37:57):
only one with that.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yea. That is, we'll have to say goodbye to the
best nickname ever coined on NFL Daily, which is the
search bar, because you're not gonna need to look up.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Not a long history. We're not to one year on.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
You talk about that in the history of NFL Daily
was just give it its praise.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Dalvin Tomlinson, by the way, I was like, I'm know,
I'm forgetting one kind of interesting free agent they added.
Dalvin Tomlinson is an Arizona Cardo. Luther Burden is a
Carolina Panther, you know, going into this season, thought maybe
was the top wide receiver prospect along with t mac
tep McMillan, and he ends up with the Chicago Bears.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
I misspoke there.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
I was thinking how he was part of the Bryce
Young trade, and so the Bears end up adding another weapon.
I didn't necessarily see them taking a wide receiver so high,
but they wind up taking Luther Burden to add to
Colston lovel and their tight end that they took in.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
The first round.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
This is a classic case of two things. One a
team building on big time moves that maybe he didn't
quite produce as much as they wanted to, you know,
with the you know, having DJ Moore on the roster,
adding Roma Dunese, you get Kayla Williams. But it's also
a new regime coming in and putting their mark on
the personnel and on the weapons and trying to improve
the situation around a quarterback whose franchise depends on his

(39:16):
you know, growth in his production. So Luther Burden was
a player who was held back by the fact that
they didn't have great quarterback play in Miszoo. And like
he's he's a heck of an athlete and the heck
of a player. And he was a guy that was
maybe gonna be a first round picked and end up
being a first round pick. So it's good value for them.
I'm just so excited to see what this passing game
looks like with Ben Johnson as their coach now, because

(39:37):
their twelve personnel is going to be crazy. You had
burden to that receiving corps. You have another option there.
You can do a number of different things. The only
thing that they missed out on so far is they
didn't ad a running back yet because I thought at
one point I thought maybe they'd be in line for Henderson,
and then the Patriots took him before the Bears came
off to pick. So perhaps that's something that they attack
in Day three. But I still like their makeup. I
still like that that's why you roll with the punches.
I heard that they Yeah, there was some talk that.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Travon Henderson would it was going to be in the
mix for them in the first round, or that if
the board felt funny, they would actually trade back and
take Henderson. And yeah, the Bears fans are so optimistic.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
I laugh. I've seen it a.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Lot in the chat a lot of Bear down dynasty incoming,
that they had the best draft of any team and
every year, and you could see it with you could
see it with even the presenters that were you know,
former Bears, you know, getting the Packers crowd all round up.
Every year, Bears fans are convinced that their team is

(40:34):
awesome and that anyone that ever even doubts it, even
just a little bit are traders and insane and stupid,
despite the fact that they've had like a ton of
like futility, like generally it's just been futility, and but
it never diminishes the optimism or total confidence. And I
gotta admit, I gotta admit Bears fans, I'm kind of

(40:57):
with you on it this year though, I'm kind of yeah, yeah,
I'm usually now, I'm with you this year.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah. I feel better about them now that I have
in previous years. My favorite thing though, in the Bears cycle,
and I've watched this a lot in Cleveland, is extreme
optimism followed by disappointing results, followed by a signing blame
to one scapegoat. And I have to give a tip
of the cap real quick to one of the Bears
fans in the chat mode designs things because he's a
friend of the Gridiron Pod. He's also a friend of
mine twitch streams. So thanks for coming in here, Mo,

(41:22):
and good luck. I wish you the best. But I
do know that it's optimism season right now. Remind yourself
of that.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Well, it's just the total it's just the blind confidence
that I don't get that that the past precedent, you know,
wouldn't affect you at all. By the way, they had
a couple other picks in round two. The Ozzie Trapilo
was a tackle from Boston College, went a little earlier
than expected. I look, Ben Johnson's going to have a
conviction on offensive lineman and the Lions have certainly had

(41:50):
a good history of that. So we'll see Samar Turner
defensive tackle from Texas A and m so two guys
that they had a vision for. It probably went a
little earlier than expected, but that they see their players,
we'll see how those end up working out. I like
the forty nine ers pick of Alfred Collins was just
kind of there was a lot of run stopping defensive
tackles that was a big time a need for them,

(42:11):
and I just thought they got a good player there
in the second round. The Bucks are at a point
where I just love all their picks. Benjamin Morrison, the
Notre Dame cornerback who's coming off a hip injury but
has a lot of talent. His father played with Todd
Bowles a lot, a lot of times. These connections, you know,
are what makes it happen. So the Bucks I think,
get another great value. And then I thought it was

(42:33):
interesting that the Broncos ended up, you know, not taking
a running back in the first class in the first round,
and then they end up getting RJ.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Harvey in round two.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Any thoughts on that, because if we're looking at big
fantasy winners, r J. Harvey has a clear path to
a lot of touches, Like I like for fantasy, he
might be a more valuable player than let's say Trevon
Henderson who got taken by the Patriots higher up.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah, and they, I mean, this is a backfeld that
was relying heavily on Julia McLaughlin last year and Audric
Estimate in sure artist situations and all love for Aldrick Estimate,
but he's kind of a plotting bigger back. So getting
a guy like like r J. Harvey, who I think,
you know, can be a bit of a home run
hitter at times. I just think about this sizzle real
that they put the UCF put out of him, just
like taking off down the sideline, and I'm like, man,

(43:23):
I would love to see that, you know, in the
orange crush uniforms for the Broncos this coming season. But
suddenly they're really deep in that back. If you look
at that depth chart, they got a number of different
options there. I agree that I thought that they were
going to go running back earlier. I thought Henderson was
definitely gonna be an option for them. I remember all
the Broncos media assembled around his podium in Indianapolis and thinking, Okay,
this is this makes a lot of sense. They don't
end up going there, but it all kind of plays

(43:45):
out and makes more sense when they get him. I
think they've handled the draft largely well. They got you know,
Jday Baron, who's the best corner in this draft, and
they end up getting Harvey in the second round, so
no reaches and filling needs. And it's just so nice
when you can do that, when you know that your
quarterback situation is solid and we don't have to talk
about that with that team.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Harvey is such a unique runner. If you haven't had
a chance to watch him, I recommend doing so. He's
so patient to the point of like is he ever
gonna go? And then and then he goes. But he's
so He's like a small darren Sprolls type. Great on receiving,
you could see why Sean Payton would like him, but
just a very unique player. I think people are gonna

(44:24):
enjoy watching, even if he's not going to be a
guy that like totally carries the load. While I'm thinking
about the Lions, they had just such a Lions draft,
taking Tyler Williams, the massive defensive tackle from Ohio State,
in the first round, and then taking Georgia guard Tap
Rattledge in the second round that Georgia guards actually went
ahead of Jared Wilson, their center, surprisingly and then doing
what they've done in recent drafts, which is just finding

(44:46):
the guy that they loved and they didn't care what
the value is and just giving up a ton of
picks for him. Nick like they gave up three third
round picks to draft Isaac Tesla, that the wide receiver
from Arkansas who just tested out of the Gym like
one of the best testing numbers ever at wide receiver

(45:07):
at Arkansas and has like a sweet mullet. But they
gave up their one hundred and second pick to move
up thirty spots and then two future third round picks.
So it's just crazy, like you can't get a player,
you can't get a team nick to like give up
a third round pick for jay r Alexander or like
a halfway or even a veteran on a better contract, like,
oh no, we would never give up a fourth or

(45:28):
fifth round pick for a decent better And then you
get into the draft and like, we'll give up three
third round picks for Isaac Tesla and he might turn
out to be great. My point is just anyone that's
available at pick seventy, you don't you don't know if
they're gotta be great. So giving up three third round
picks is it's a little wild. They're feeling themselves.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
There's the financial component to it, though, because you don't
give up that pick for a guy on a bigger contract, right.
They also gave up a compensatory pick that they got
from losing Aaron Glenn to the Jets, So it makes
more sense because they realize, all right, that's back into
the third round. The future picks the ones that are
probably read Lions fans the wrong way. But Greg, with
all that said, they have my favorite class so far.
They've only made three yis, but all three of them

(46:07):
are guys that I love, and I'm gonna go back
to Indy. I'm gonna go back to watching guys in
the field. Another guy that was one of my favorites
Tate Ratledge. You love him for a sweet hair, you
love him for a style. He's kind of like a
Kenny Powers of guards in the NFL now and he
was in college and you love how he positioned his body.
Even though he's not the biggest guard, He's a guy
that is really good at angling himself to win blocks.
But Tyler Quinns, I think is gonna be a better

(46:28):
pro than he was in college, and he was already
prett damn good at Ohio State. Love Ratledge, and I
loved Isaac as well. I think that that's another player
who really jumped off the field for me and Andy.
You go back and watch his tape. I'm all on
board with Brad Holmes and what he's done so far.
One of my favorite classes, if not my favorite despite
only being three picks so.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
Far, well, it's very Detroit Lions. It's just risky.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
They gave up I think it was multiple third round
picks last year to move up in the fourth round
to take a guard.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Are you familiar? Could you name that guard?

Speaker 1 (46:56):
I'll give you like, actually we're not allowed to do that,
but can you name that guard? Much of an impact
as a rookie. It was more of a developmental guy.
We'll see. It's Giovanni Manu, Giovanni Manu, so we'll see.
Maybe Givan Manu will work out in the long run.
But like they pick guys that they love and they
absolutely go for him.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Just a couple other picks.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
I liked the big cornerback Trey Amos going to the Commanders.
We're going to break down all the team's drafts next week,
going through each and every team will also do a
winners and Losers show that's going to go up on
Monday morning.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
So this is just supposed to be a quick hitter.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
The Colts taking another Ohio State guy J two j
T two mal loa like that pick. The Panthers are
kind of team traits, like taking big swings on high
ceiling guys taking the defenders Nick Scorton and Princely Uma
and Malayan hadn't said that name out loud like, but
some potentially high upside pass rushers, So that that was interesting.

(47:54):
And then I thought it was interesting Mike Green, who
a lot of people had mocked in the twenty or so,
ends up going all the way to fifty nine. The
Marshall pass rusher goes to the Ravens at fifty nine.
Two sexual assault allegations, one before college, one at college.
That's why he ended up at Marshall. And it's interesting

(48:17):
the NFL almost seemed to take those allegations more seriously
than the people doing the mock drafts and the consensus
sports because everyone seemed to think it wasn't gonna end
up costing him. But some reports that he didn't handle
some questions throughout the process well, So for a second
I thought we were getting progress from the NFL, and
maybe him falling this far was like a little bit

(48:38):
of progress. But I found it interesting that the Ravens
of all teams took him because John Harbaugh was the
guy saying we have a no tolerance policy on domestic violence.
When he was talking about Deshaun Watson and now we
have Mike Green and we have Justin Tucker on.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Their roster, so we'll see how that works out. But
certainly a talented player.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
I definitely raised an eyebrow. It's always kind of a
tough one because you think about position and value of player,
But are you willing to deal with I guess the
baggage or whatever else that you might describe that as,
like any of the concerns that definitely made me scratch
my head. But I would like to go back to
JTT real quick, because yes, I'll tell you what this

(49:20):
is the guy who early on in his career at
Ohio State looked like he was going to fall in
the mold of the Bosa brothers when it came to
edge rushing talents and then never really took the next
step as he was there as part of that defense
which ended up being very good last season. But I
wonder if maybe all he needed is somebody like Louis
n Rumo to unleash him at the NFL level. I

(49:42):
thought that the way that people have created a lot
of the players on that side of the ball for
Ohio State have been interesting. To me, like the projections
for Jack Sawyer have been all over the place and
he's still out there now, which not surprising to me.
But JTT going at forty fifth overall almost felt a
little early. And then in other times I thought a
couple years ago, I would have thought that was too late.
So I'm very intrigued to see how his career pans
out with Indianapolis under lou.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
I talked to a few people that loved him, that
thought he was going to be a better NFL player,
that like he wasn't gonna go in the first round,
but that you can see him playing a very specific
role in playing a lot of years and being in
the you know, being a guy you need those guys
need you need seven eight guys in your front and
that he can have an absolute game record type force

(50:27):
player that.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
That's going to last a while in the NFL. And
the Colts take them.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
They love athletic freaks, they love guys, they love taking
lineman as well. Look, yeah, it's funny you mentioned Jack Sawyer.
Like in another draft, Jack Sawyer falling this far would
be a topic during Day three. But I have a
feeling it's going to be all al Sadr Sanders all
the time until he goes off the board, and I

(50:52):
don't know. Damien Harris, a former Patriot, had some comments.
I think it was for CBS about that that teams
are almost trying to teach uh should hear and the
Sanders a little bit of a lesson like a family
that kind of shook up college football and is almost
symbolic of the changes in college football. And I think
multiple things can be true. I think it's not like

(51:15):
all the teams started talking and agreed to not take them.
But I think there can be an aspect of that,
an aspect of fear and not wanting to deal with
the media side of it all, and certainly an aspect
of that. His talent was never really beyond like a
second round level anyways, and there really aren't that many
teams looking for quarterbacks right now, and so it's all

(51:37):
those things combined. But I think there is something to
it that they probably turn off some teams, and it's
probably it's probably unfair that Shoulder is kind of getting
getting lumped in with that.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah, definitely, I totally agree with that. But the one
thing to kind of tie a bowe on all of it,
since we started with it and we'll rap with it.
Is I keep thinking back to when we left Indy
and neither him nor cam Ward worked out, and yet
for some reason, by the end of that week, there
was a clear gap between the two, like a pretty
wide gap. And despite not being on the field. Usually

(52:14):
it happens on the field, and it didn't. Yeah, and
it made me think, what happened in those meeting rooms,
what happened with those intern Again. I think we will
find out at some point, but it won't be for
a while, and until then we're gonna have to, unfortunately,
watch him continue to, you know, deal with this what
is now an excruciating slide, and he will eventually be
on a team and he'll have his opportunity to make
his career in the NFL. But of course the spotlight

(52:35):
is extremely bright because of his family name, and it's
unfortunate for a kid who just wants to live out
his NFL dream for sure, But we'll watch it play out.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
My theory too, is that's the week where all the
reporters start talking to the NFL teams more at night
and realize what they actually think. And I didn't get
a chance to really break down their tape, you know,
until after the combine and it's like, yeah, cam Ward
to me looks exactly like I would want a top

(53:03):
ten pick to look like. I keep using the Cutler
comp reminds me a little bit a little bit of
farm to me if he was in last year's draft,
Like if Michael Pennox and JJ McCarthy were in this class,
I think I would take cam Ward number one overall
over those two personally, Like that's the level of prospect
where Shoulder Sanders was like eh, like Andy Dalton was

(53:24):
Swag was my cop and Andy Dalton doesn't get taken
in the first round, and then maybe the reason it's
not happening in rounds two and three is everything else
we're talking about. We will have plenty to talk about
on Sunday night show. Actually we'll be putting it up
Monday morning. That's going to be winners and losers. Was
great to have you back in the chair, Nick, appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Yeah, it was great to be here, and I just
want to extend much thanks to you for the messages
you closed the mock Draft show with that was really
special to me and my family. And you know about
the regarding the passing of my dad, and you know,
this was always our thing, you know, as kids. I
used to spend Saturday and Sunday watching it with him.
And as the chaos of the Brown supposedly in line

(54:06):
to take Travon Henderson and then taking Judkins, all I
wanted to do was call my dad. And obviously I
can't do that now. But the support of people like
he was made this so much easier to bear. So
thank you so much for that.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
I appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
It's funny you mentioned that because I do think the draft,
because it's not like a game or whatever, there is
something about like, you know, my son Walker did a
bunch of mock drafts and he was more excited for
this draft than any other. He was actually over at
a friend's house, but he wanted me to text the
dad that was over there every time the Texans were up,

(54:38):
and he's going absolutely nuts, and then he's back over
here like and it's just a fun thing.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
To share, obviously, football draft everything.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
So yeah, good man, Greg Shook, and appreciate you, buddy.
We will be back, As I was saying on Monday morning,
we'll be doing winners and losers.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
We're going to.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Wrap this whole thing up in a nice I appreciate
everyone that was in the YouTube chat live. You can
obviously check us out on video each and every time,
but man, we will be in your ears all next week.
We are just getting going the twenty twenty five draft.
Look when I'm this far back in on the Patriots
Drake by Kyle Williams.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Football is back