November 19, 2025 • 46 mins
Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Jourdan Rodrigue and Patrick Claybon to preview the Week 11 primetime and late game action around the NFL. The show starts with a look at the Eagles at the Cowboys followed by Panthers at 49ers on Monday Night Football (09:40), Buccaneers at Rams on Sunday Night Football (15:07), Jaguars at Cardinals (24:45), Browns at Raiders (31:05) and Falcons at Saints (37:05).
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome back to NFL Daily, where we're thinking about all
the great points we didn't make on the first show.
That's what I think about when I leave here. I
was just like, Oh, I had a banger on how
conservative Mike McDonald is. Didn't get that one out. We're
gonna talk late games. We do that in the second
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part of the show. And I like the prime time
slate this week. It should I support it.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
It should be fun, including a game that gets the
Fox one team. It's Tom Brady at at and T
Stadium with Kevin Burkhardt up there with him. The Philadelphia
Eagles are back against the Dallas Cowboys where they are
three point favorite. Quinn Williams, Demarvion Overshawn. The defense looked
better Gregett was against the Raiders. They looked better against
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the Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yes, because the Eagles offense is not it, and I
know this is an easier amount for them and they're
going to play better and it's indoors. All that will help,
of course, but I do think it's worth noting like
Quinn Williams could be a force multiplier there where their
run defense could immediately get respectable. I went back and
watched some of those overshown snaps. He looked pretty good.
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So that's adding two important players. You're healthier on the
back end with you know, Deron Bladsman back for a
few weeks now, but you get your high pick. Shavon
Ravel is in the mix too. It's pretty deep up front.
I just haven't ruled out this Cowboys team. And maybe
it's wishful thinking, being frisky.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
And they're they're basically in primetime. I know this is
not primetime. This is you know, the standalone game at
four twenty five, but between Thanksgiving and primetime, they're basically
in primetime for the next five weeks.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
So get ready for a lot of Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
If you if you thought we hadn't had enough Cowboys
this year, more Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah, and they the only solution is mark poor Cowboys.
But I feel like this is they're hoping that you
just didn't watch them the entire previous part of the year,
although the offense probably feels good about the body of
work that it's before. But yeah, yes it was against
the Raiders, but when you kind of watch that defense
in a vacuum, the piece has made sense. More of
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the concepts that they were running made sense, and it
looked like a defense that could actually defend multiple types
of attacks. You know, the Raiders aren't running like an
eleven personnel attack. The Eagles recently haven't really been leaning
on eleven personnel either, and they haven't been successful in
anything they've tried to do. Meanwhile, the Cowboys offense is fun.
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It's downright fun. Not only do you have Ceedee Lamb
and George Pickens playing awesome football, you have Deck Prescott
playing awesome football. You have Brian Schottenheimer in his bag.
They're starting to bring the run game along back like
how it was at the beginning of the year a
little bit more. And I think that even though this
Eagles defense is absolutely great, this is a game where
they do have some vulnerabilities. If the Cowboys play out
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of tendency a little bit, If Brian Schottenheimer decides that
he's going to use Dak Prescott in a play action
a little bit more than the thirty percent rate very
low that he's using him already, the Eagles are very susceptible.
Actually two big plays there. They're allowing almost ten yards
per play out of play action right now, as outstanding
as this defense is so I think if the Cowboys
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just expand, just like widen your horizons a little bit, Cowboys,
reach your potential. I think this could be really fun game.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
It could be a fun game. Jalen Carr is hopefully
going to play the entire game this time and not
just warm up and be the first Spider and then leave.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Enough spitting.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Also, yeah, let's put a bow on spitting for the
remainder of the twenty.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Twenty five and a great era for the NFL.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
But honestly, I'm going to need to see it consistently
to believe, because I know Quinnin Williams and Marvinovshan are
going to help. This would go a long way towards
making me believe in this Matt Eberflus defense, because the
situation upfront for the Raiders is dire high school ish
at this point, and so it'll go a long way
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towards proving that they can be frisky and then like
maybe like paying attention towards considering the way things could
go in the rest of the NFC. But I just
I just think in a situation where the Eagles are
back indoors, the Cowboys have been so bad. It's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Fine, but it's just show me something.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
For like, almost every unit in this game has like
big questions because I hear you on that, but it's like, Okay,
how stuck in this mud? Is the Eagles offense? Really
Like this is a great way to find out. Saquon
Barkley's still getting hit, you know, behind the line of scrimmage,
Like his yards per you know, in terms of contact
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before he runs is worse than some of those giants years.
And Lane Johnson is potentially the best offensive lineman in
all of football and is out the next month. Their
center Cam Jurgens is not at practice on Wednesday, which
is their biggest practice day, and he might not be available.
Landon Dickerson he's been better lately, but he was injured
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early in the season, So like that's it's not that
good of a matchup necessarily in the middle. I just
I agree, I want to see it, but I want
to see it out of the Eagles offense too, because
I got the sense last week there was a lot
of passes from Jalen Hurts, who used to be the
most accurate quarterback on like throws downfield that just felt
like Will you shut up with the narrative balls where
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he's not even trying to complete him. He's just trying
to He's just like throwing him up there just for
everyone to shut up. I don't really believe that he's
not trying to complete him, but it did just feel like, oh, okay,
you want some deep ball to them, I'll overthrow them
by fifteen yards.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
On the album was having to play the win, he
was having to play the wind in that game where golf.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Look, I love my shut up, my shut up balls.
That's what I'm calling That's what I wrote as my
nose shut up balls here, just like shut up, I'll
throw it. Want to workshop that one?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
No, I like it.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Cure damn balls here damn.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
But it's on the other side too, If I want
to workshop that one.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Tear Dawn.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So those numbers, the play action numbers, you know for
the Eagles, obviously, so much of that is is uh
bj oh.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I got to really workshop that one.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
So I was going to say, it's like bc B
Jalen Phillips trade, how about BJPT that would be good.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
No, I still think it needs to work on.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I think we're having fun the here the Eagles. They've
had two games, two excellent games.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
This is like a can you do it again against
this Cowboys offense?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, you know what I mean. Like it's more of
a real test.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Yeah, and I love it. I still if I if
it came out, I guess I missed it. I still
don't know why the receivers missed the first series. Uh,
both both George Pickens and Ceedee Lamb. I assume that
won't be the case.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
It was an organizational decision to have no context provided
about that. By the way, like everybody.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Said, it was like missing a meeting.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Uh, there was a report that made sense to me
that wasn't from a creditable reporter, but what the heck?
It just sounded so believable that they miss curfew. That's
about oh in.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Vegas, Oh in Vegas. Okay, well, you know, you know
it's easy police to miss.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Curve walks out there longer.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
They got inspired by watching the Netflix Cowboys documentary.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
They wanted to be more like IRV in the Gang.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
I do love this test for the Eagle secondary for sure,
and I love the potential here. Like I said, you know,
they don't like I don't know why they don't like
to run play action with Dak Prescott. I know he
likes to see the field and some quarterbacks hate turning
their back to the defense. I understand all of that.
But he's completing eighty percent of his passes when he
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has run play action, eight and a half yards per attempted,
nine touchdowns with no interceptions. I know I brought that
up as potentially a big hinge point, But if you're
looking at maximizing advantages, where in the few areas that
this defense is a little bit weaker, you might try it.
You might give it a shot.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
It really feels like it's a weekly can the opponent
attack of Dory Mitchell, you know, like Ann Jackson at
Tory Jackson and this.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Is the team still on PTBJ.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, this is the team that would seem more able
to do that than just about anyone because Quinnion Mitchell.
I think, and that I had Mitchell on the brain.
He's having the first team All Pro type of thing. Yes,
I think he is that dude, But hell, George Pickens
right now has more yards and Ceedee Lamb on the season,
even when they've played together, he has more yards. He's
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I'm not ready to put George Pickens in an all
pro conversation, but the numbers would say he should.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Be there, and the and the eye tests as well,
it's too much.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
We love after he makes the catch and he sort
of like slumps his shoulders in his head and he
sort of just does this thing and he's so relaxed.
I saw someone a RAMS fan that I know really well.
I follow her on social media, and she she said,
every play that he makes looks like it was initially
a mistake or it's because but it's just it's magical,
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like the way it's just like, no, he's not supposed
to be there right now, Oh my god, Yeah he is.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
He's Rick Vaughan. He's effectively wild. If you're a guy
in the secondary and you're running towards George Pickens, like
when he cut seventeen yards towards the middle of the field,
you're like, what is he going to do? And sometimes
it looks.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Hilarious can happen?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
The last month that's been justice for those of us
who had Jamo and George Picken one and two on
their twenty whatever year that was receiver list finally vindicated.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Let me go think the explosive guys, you want to
talk about explosive pass game? What about all Monday Night football?
The all time single game record holder for passing yards,
Bryce Young going up against a defense in the forty
nine ers who gave up the most completions to this
game in NFL history. Did Jacoby Brissett last week? And
the Niners are favored a month and nine. Wow, all
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Joe Buck and Troy aik been there. Can Bryce do
it again?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Jordan? I, I think he could have some success against
this forty nine ers group. And in part of that
is because A, let's see him throw it seventy times, right, like,
let's just just go for it. And B Dave Canalis
is moving Tech McMillan around the stack. It's not just
that he's playing more in the slot, which Dave Canallis
was talking about this week, and that could be extremely
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advantageous against a defense like the forty nine Ers, who,
as we have known, are have been Fred warnerless for
a while and are relying on sort of like a
five foot nine, very very physical up and stout. But
like it's it's a depleted group otherwise, and so the
middle of the field is very susceptible, but it's also
that against a really young group on the in the
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defensive backfield, relatively speaking, you know, they're also moving Tech
McMillian McMillan into different leverage areas even in bunch sets
on the outside, so like he's not just the ex
split out wide like we saw a lot in the beginning.
He's also like on the inside leverage in a two
by stack, or he's like he's he's basically changing assignments
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on the defenders. And that's going to be extremely advantageous
for Bryce Young as his favorite target, and it will
be also really a very mathematical disadvantage I think to
the forty nine ers who were just so injured that
it's hard to counter this type of attack.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
He's a real number one receiver.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So I asked you, guys, you could do the draft again,
would you take him or Abuka? I think I would
actually take Tmax. I get my first.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
This is Sean McVay. This is why they were, you know,
trying to trade up for t mac.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
So who would you take between those two? That's tough.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Well, my favorite Buka is my favorite player, and I
thought would be.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
A good question, and I think they're the two leaders
for a Rookie of the Year. Jackson Dart's injury probably
heard him there. I think t Mac has a path.
He's probably not the guy right now, but he has
a path to win that award.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, I will.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Use the right to say that I will go with
TMAC because that's what I said back during the draft. Okay,
the team act will be my one, but I think
it depends on your quarterback. I think the two are
exactly where they need to be.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yea terms of the past, they could be.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
They could be both first team All pros together someding.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
I love that and I also love too this is
we're seeing it again, you guys. This is like two
really really great receivers in the NFC South. Now, the
teams can vary at one point, but I just love
that these guys are going to be growing up together
a little bit. Like that's just fun to me. On
the other side of the ball, this is a sneaky
question mark game for what Kyle Shanahan might game plan out.
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Panthers insidelinebackers have been dealing with injuries. Christian rose Boom,
who's been starting for them, was reporting some hamstring issues
earlier in the week, so you know this might be
a sneaky like vintage Kyle Shanahan circles a player in
your back seven and just spams the spams the ball
at him the entire game. With Brock Purty being back,
you know he's in his A plus sort of game planning.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I love it. And a Christian McCaffery revenge game where
you know, we, oh, yeah, we just saw the Panthers
defense not necessarily great. We could get a Calculator game
with all sorts of weird implications the Bucks looking at
the Panthers on Monday night, like the Bucks could have
come up off of a loss and the Panthers could
be coming closer in the NFC.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
The Panthers could be in first place at the end
of this game. This is there isn't even any debate.
This is easily the Panthers' biggest game since one I attended.
Maybe Jordan Rodrigue was there as well, which was Cam
Newton's last playoff loss.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
When he went to New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
They lost to Alvin Kamara and Mark Ingram's I put
up about three point fifty and three touchdowns of loss,
and it.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Was like Christian and receivers who I actually don't remember
their names, and I don't mean that disrespectfully, but it
was like I remember Ron Rivera had made T shirts
sort of making light of it because they sounded like
a law firm the group of receivers that King had,
which was a repeated issue there.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah, and you ready to go down that price Young
had for two years.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
And I was thinking about it last week when Jalen
Cocher caught some of those fastballs from Bryce Young. One
was on like a very difficult catch that he made
over the middle to keep a drive going. I was thinking, like,
Cocer really matters. I love Jalen Coker, he really matters
for this offense to give them another receiver. I know
he's been healthy now for a few weeks, but he's
coming into it. And then on the forty nine er side, look,
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with their schedule, this is a huge game. It should
go without saying in terms of the NFC Wildcard race,
but especially the forty nine ers schedule.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Which is pretty favorable.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
There's winnable games, like if they can be a top
eight offense with pearsall who looked good last week. I thought,
I know he didn't make any catches, but I went like,
he looked fast, he looked healthy. CMC, Juwan, Jennings, and
Kittle are all playing together with Purdy for the first
time all season. Perdy kind of got a perfect like
warm up game where he's just like got whatever kinks
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out and they put up a forty burger Like there's
a pretty easy path then winn eleven or twelve games
and being like a six seed.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It's time for the Sunday Drive presented by Toyota. Let's
go places. The Los Angeles Rams are going to welcome
back one of their own. Baker Mayfield is coming back
to Sofi Stadium on Sunday Night Football, where the Rams
are favored by six and a half points. Greg Mike
to Rico and Chris Collinsworth on the call. Rams fresh
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off of that big win against the Seahawks. How do
you think they'll look against Baker in the Bucks.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I think they'll look good because they've been as consistent
as any team in the league, and that, you know,
raises a question, what does Baker Mayfield look like? Because look,
when he arrived in Los Angeles just a couple of
games before that, you know, Fame Thursday Nighter. He's at
a low point in his career. He had revenge on
his mind. You know, he just got cut. He's gonna
have revenge on his mind this week too because he
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just got cut off of a quarterback Island.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Let me. Let's hear from Baker.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
I mean, there's no way for me to you know,
surecoat it. It was pivotal in my career, in my journey.
I've told you guys that helped me find the football
or the fun in football again, that joy and just
getting to learn from those guys. Obviously it looks a
lot different now that Raheem Morris has gone, Zach Robinson Liam,
but Sean's been there the whole time. So it's yeah,
they helped me out and you know, help me discover
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what offense I really want to play in and you
know the responsibility that comes with in that a lot
of account of the line of scrimmage and the check
and get to the right place. But yeah, it was
instrumental in my career, something I'm forever grateful for. And
it'll be fun to go back and see some familiar faces.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Oh I love that. I was like, yeah, I get
I think what people don't realize. And I know there's
I get a lot of like why do I like
Baker Mayfield so much? Or why am I always rooting
for Baker Mayfield, And it's it's partially because of that,
like I got to see that happen, and he talks
so much about how like he found the fun in
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football again in that moment. What I hope he realizes
is that he saved that building him coming in. All
up until that game. Let me remind people, Sean McVay
had given up play calling. I've written about this extensively.
At the Athletic he was in the worst like sort
of mental health of his life to that point, and
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he was reeling and the entire building felt it. Matthew
Stafford was injured. The entire building was was tense and
depressed and miserable, and you could feel it walking into
it was like the atmosphere was heavy and it just
weighed on you. And when Baker Mayfield got to town,
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get the bleep button ready behind the glass, but he
just he came in there and he just said, fu,
get we ball. And he had the most fun the
day he got off the plane walking into that building.
He brought Sean McVay back. He brought several of those
assistant coaches back, and then he got them hired in
other buildings because of the work they all did together.
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And they're currently either offense of coordinators or head coaches
because of Baker Mayfield. And he brought that entire roster
back into Joy in a way that was so pure
and true and like one of the coolest things I've
ever seen in my entire life. And second only was
when I got to talk to him after that game.
He showed up and thirty hours later he was winning
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Thursday Night Football, and he showed me his notebook and
all of his notes after the game, and it was
one of the coolest things ever, how you could tell
almost when he flipped a page over, how he had
come back to life, because I'm not kidding. It was
all in color everything, all of these different colors of
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these plays and these little cadences that he had to remember.
And then he wears the wristband and Sean does not
call one of the plays on the wristband. He's just
going They're freestyling the entire way, like I've never seen
something like that happen in Uh life or in football,
and it's like it is a beautiful thing, and I
know that there's like a lot of mutual love there.
And it changed the trajectory not just of Baker Mayfield's career,
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but of Sean McVay and the Los Angeles Rams as well,
because they were spiraling.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
It is such an awesome story and so well told
there too, like in them now meeting at this point
of the season, who knows, maybe they'll meet again in
like the playoffs. You could see that happening at some
point with these almost surprising they haven't gone up against
each other at this point because you're at a point
where the Rams are in the opposite of where they
were then. They are as high as they've ever been
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in the McVeigh era. Like in the regular season you
had the Jared Goff you know, Super Bowl season, they
were in the stratosphere there.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
But here it's more of like a.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Complete team where I think a lot of people this
week are coming around to the idea that hey, this
is maybe the best team in football. And it's not
just about mcveigh's play calling, which is incredible, and Stafford's
play which is awesome. It's being able to win a
game where he throws for one hundred and thirty year
and having a defense Patrick this week, that should create
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problems for a Baker Mayfield who's struggling, and man, he
is as streaky a quarterback as I think there's been
in the NFL. I would put Kirk Cousins in that
group too, and I'm Kirk Cousins as any. And he
feels like he's in a little bit of a dip
and you never know what he's gonna come out of it,
like maybe the Rams in this great matchup for some reason,
that makes sense to me that actually he'll come out
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of it this week, like the week he gets off
quarterback Island, the week he's almost a touchdown underdog, Like
I could see that happening.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
He's gonna need some help from from Grizzard, you know
as R King. Yeah, the Lizard King in this one,
because the matchup with Buffalo seemed to dictate running the ball,
and they came out running the ball. They ran the
ball very well. Sean Tucker had a great game, but
I felt like you never really got Baker involved enough
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in the past game when when the Bills started going
up and down the field, and it's kind of a
similar situation here where you'd like to attack the Rams
on the ground, but the team's never going to be
as good as they're going to be unless Baker is
having that success through the air that he was having
earlier in the season and you get the big plays
you know from Tesz Johnson and Abuka, you know, and
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maybe you know Chris Godwin and Bucky Irving are getting
closer to playing according to Todd Bowles in the middle
of the week here in week twelve, where we can
kind of see what they what they were like where
they were, but they're not doing it.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Unless and I don't think a Godwin is going to
be a difference maker for them just coming off that injury.
Mike Evans would be. It's just weird because tes Johnson
and Sterling Shepherd seem open. I think that's been the
biggest problems is he's hunting these big plays and he's
not taking the checkdowns that are there. He is thirty
first right now in success rate in the NFL when
he has not been pressured. The only quarterbacks behind Baker
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Mayfield on the season are cam Ward JJ McCarthy and
Dylan Gabriel. Three rookies essentially, and there seems like there's
open receivers there to be had, and he's been forcing
it a lot to abuka or holding it, and teams
have had success, you know, stopping him from runn at
least until last week.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
If you're King Grizzard the Lizard Wizard and you're listening
to the show right now, you I think the way
you get Baker back to himself is to get him
involved in the running game and to get him to
hit him on some of those perimeter runs that the
Rams are susceptible to. And also to get your run
game on these toss runs toward the perimeters that the
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Seahawks had a lot of success with, even as it
was tough sledding sometimes for them up the middle. Running
those old vintage Kubiak plays, you know, the Zoro toss
and all those perimeter toss runs really was effective. And
Baker is a perimeter runner too, and so I think
that's how you kind of get Baker Mayfield's juice back
and get him flowing and get him like I just
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I just remember and watching it, it's like you almost
got to shake him out of his mind a little bit.
You got to shake him out of it and sometimes
taking a hit, getting a first down and taking a hit,
We'll do that, and I think that that's an effective
way to actually attack a RAMS defense that is going
to pressure the crap out of him and also be
very very difficult to run the ball on up the middle.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
They really missed the son Reddick, who's possibly gonna be
back for this game, but it doesn't sound like it,
but his window could be open, and he really helped
them out because they are blitzing a ton and they're
not getting like a ton of pressure, and he was
really valuable for them. They might get Colijah Kanti back
for the playoffs potentially, but they just haven't quite been
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the same. I'll be curious to see if Jameel Dean
plays in this game. He left with an injury last week.
He has been their best cornerback and they've just been
like it's come down to them just being like a
terrible red zone team for some reason on both sides
of the ball, Like they actually are profiling as a
better team than they've really shown up. But when other
teams get in the red zone, they score, and when
they get in the red zone, they don't score the
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bad combination.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
All right, let's take a break.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Hopefully we get a perfect little sequel up to that
Baker game.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Yeah, or maybe fun either way.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Although you know what I think of the sequel to
that Baker game.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Was the fifty burger he put on the Broncos on Christmas.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
That was like the sequel.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
That was pretty fun too.
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Speaker 1 (24:51):
Back on NFL Daily, Jordan is here, Patrick is here. Yes,
the Claymates are going crazy everywhere the clay Bon Bonds.
The Claymates won the contest of the Patrick Claybon Fan
Club how have you heard that the meetings have been
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going lately of the clay Bon Vivan.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Well, I think people are deranged that they would associate
themselves with me. Anyway, I know they're having a bounce back.
It was too much yelling for me in last week
in general. But there's hey, we got no more early
early rise wake up.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
That's true. We're done with the international slate.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
So that that particular part of the bit is dead.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
The way listeners, thank you, cross.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
That off and uh international.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
But I also love football here in most of Statosundo
where the Jacksonville Jaguars. Who I thought, Hey, so the
Chargers are going to go over to Jacksonville. No they
did not. Liam Cohen and squad said no. And they
are two and a half point favorites against again the
NFL's all times single game completions record holder Jacoby Brissette Jordan,
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what does he have in store for us this week?
The over unders forty seven and a half. Spirodidas and
Adam Archiletta.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
On the call man, It's just hard to trust the
Cardinals by about the halfway point of any season. Really,
If the Jaguars can run the ball the way that
they did last week. There's no shot for Arizona in
its game because they were just it was a very
depleted offensive line by the Chargers. I will say, while
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they are not from the same coaching family per se,
there's some similarities in the type of matchup baszone coverages
that Jesse Minter likes to play and the matchup baszone
coverages that Jonathan Gannon likes to play. Liam Cohen and
his group just took the teeth completely out of that defense,
and they're feeling themselves right now.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
And yet I don't have any particular faith of the
Jaguars will because this running game usually we talk about
like a quarterback's inconsistent, or like their running game is inconsistent.
If you've watched like five games this year, five certain
games they look like one of the best, coolest groups
in the league, and the other five they've stunk fun right,
And this is weirdly kind of the prove it game,
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I think for the Jaguars, because I think I can
totally imagine them losing this game if you're going to
be a real serious team, if you're going to make
the playoffs. Essentially, this game is a game that you
can and should win, and so I just want to
see it, like, I'm not sure it's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
I probably am gonna take the Cardinals. I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, I'm not sure why either, Greg, because I.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Because it just doesn't make sense, because the Cardinals shouldn't
be three and seven.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
They're not this bad.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
No they're not. But they've gotten worse yet they are.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
It's true, they have gotten a lot worse.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Mac Wilson went to IR and it to the point
where even you, Greg were thinking the Seahawks had figured
out the run game because they were playing the Arizona
Cardinals and they're good on defense. But no, like that
was just not the case. And then Christian mccaffery's having
his best yards per carry performance of the season, and
so like either those two teams suddenly got much better
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at running the ball or the Cardinals has just fallen
off the map on defense and not having a guy
who's been good in pass coverage as well with the
run fits he's the team captain, he's making the calls
as well. Where it's it's having a whole lot of
impact where I'm watching the way that and we'll see
if BASI will Tuton is able to play in this game,
but both of him and Etn, you could throw Trev
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in there. If the Jags can run the ball against you,
that's the spot. So like, if they're gonna win any games,
I would take them to win this one.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Man. You know what was kind of cool was watching
that game last week and facial Tuton came out swinging
like he looked like a steam engine immediately and it
almost was like, you know, Threetn was like, okay, hold
my beer, like I'm gonna cut you know, and become
really this dominant one to punch, and I just I
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loved it. I thought it was cool. You could see
them like a true two BAC system. You could see
them almost feeding off of each other's success prior to
the injury. I hope he plays. I'm in the Tutin
hive as as we know you were.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
You were honking the Tuton' hive was was loud and
enjoying it and not happy when Etn came like back
into the game and then and then Tuton got hurt.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I think you just.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Want it all to everyone to be successful.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
You were just like lean on to and we don't
need any of this Patrick.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Just now did Greg do that thing where he just
made up something that.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
You like, you were you were you were wanting him
to carry the load. Uh, they're both limited, both limited,
So that's a good sign.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
He's already limited. Pick him up. I do think he's
a good pickup.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I noticed he's available in uh both my kids leagues,
So I was like, Tutin.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I think they're both started.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah in this game.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, if you have them both, if you've got like
a handcuff situation, you've got tuting in the event that
ETN goes down, go ahead and put them both in
your line up this week, especially with all the boys.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I was watching that game Toton get to scootin. I
was watching that.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Game last week and Walter Nolan had another good game,
and I'm thinking, oh, Kalayskam was playing pretty well, and
Josh Sweat's out there. They put a lot into this defense,
and you're right there, they're not stopping the run. It's
just it's just why I feel like at some point
they should win some games. Maybe they'll get back Trey Benson,
probably not this week, but he might come back. Jacoby Brissett,
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despite all the eyeball like he looks like he's playing well,
and he's set in records. He's twenty nine out of
thirty three qualifiers in QBR. You know, there's like a
million different stats, but in QBR, which does penalize you
quite a bit for not being able to run, which
he can't and the turnovers that he's had which have happened.
You know, he's actually been significantly worse than Kyler Murray.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
And he will not worth point out, he will not
have Marvin Harrison Junior back for another week after the
appendix surgery of two weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Shout out Michael Wilson.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Yes, highly productive yet no touchdown.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, the seventh highest scoring Fantasy game of all time
by a receiver that didn't have a touchdown.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
It's got to be the top by a receiver who's
definitely not the best athlete in.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
His own family.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
The Cardinals are also have been in his own marriage,
emrhaging running backs all year two. Demark Cardos now banged up.
They I mean this team is struggling. They're struggling.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Would you guys like to talk about to struggling football teams? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I would.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
The Cleveland Browns are playing the Las Vegas Raiders, and
the Raiders are favored by three and a half point
what over under?
Speaker 3 (31:42):
How I'm taking that?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
It's thirty six and a half. Tom McCarthy and Ross
Tucker are all on the call as Greg. There are
clearly people in Las Vegas who have confidence with the Raiders, do.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
You I do not.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
I am doing a first which is you know, we
do our segments with Cynthia against the spread. It went
three and oh last week, seven straight winning weeks. I'm
previewing one of my picks here. Let's go Browns and
shoulder Sanders plus three and a half.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Let's listen to.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
So.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
I know our fans have a lot of expectations in Hope,
and I would be doing a disservice to myself, in
disservice to the organization if I didn't feel like I
am the guy all right.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
He believes in himself. He was a very jovial press conference.
I watched a chunk of it. He's he always seems
happy to be there, which which I appreciate. Obviously, my
pick is not about Shaudur Sanders. It's partly about that.
I don't think the passing game is gonna be demonstrably
different with him and Dylan Gabriel, Like, he might take
more sacks, he might have a couple more big plays.
It's not gonna be good. It just it would be
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surprising if it was good, even against the Raids. It's
just that we have literally the number one defense according
to DVA and the NFL playing for one of those teams,
and they're the underdogs in this game.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
So I just feel better about that team.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Yeah, I agree, and I think too the things that
even the Raiders are like, I don't want to even
say doing well because nothing is going well. They look
completely incompetent in every single phase. But the thing that
does work when things work is rock Bowers and using
more twelve personnel. Well, hey, the Cleveland Browns are perfectly
built to defend dynamic tight ends, especially across the middle
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of the field because they have an absolute freak in
rookie linebacker Carson Swessinger, who you brought up earlier, making
plays like this. This is such a bad matchup, even
with the struggles on offense that the Browns have been
going through, Such a bad matchup if you're the Raiders,
because this defense can just absolutely smother you, and they
to win this game. They should score, and I think
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they will score.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
I misspoke, by the way, they're fifth in total efficiency.
I think it was maybe it was against the past
they were number one or something like that.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yeah, I'm with you, Greg. Hopefully Cynthia doesn't pick up
a game on game deview on us because we were
both taking the road dog they come in there and win.
But to think about this game and what I'll hope
to talk about when we do game deview is there
was a third and one in this game where the
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Raiders had two tight ends to the left and the
Cowboys were in zone like to the strength of the
formation on the other side, and there were no numbers,
and they run a toss to Ashton genty on third
and one and with no numbers, and he's tackled for
a four yard loss. And that was one of the
final Chip Kelly called runs of the game. And that
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was in the third quarter where I don't know what
they're trying to do. I don't know what they want
to do, and I don't know if they have the
personnel to do what they want to do or what
they're what they're trying to do. It's it's bad all around.
So yeah, they're not beat in Cleveland. Like we talked
in the earlier show about the Ravens and their issues
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with finding Miles Garrett, who should be like the number
one priority. Now I'm asking this offensive line which is
even worse.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
And reports kind of surfacing too about offensive lineman not
knowing their assignments and not knowing what the calls are,
and it's just like it's all bad and there's also
a disconnect. I was texting Greg about this, like, we
have eyeballs. We know that it would be really difficult
to run the ball behind this offensive line, regardless of
who you are as a running back, regardless of who
you are as a coordinator to call runs, it's just
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not going to probably be very successful. At the same time,
Pete Carroll comes out there every week into the media
and A talks about how surprised he is that the
defense isn't playing better. I'm like, the roster is the
roster man. And then b comes out and says and
talks about how they need to run the ball more,
and I'm like, are you telling your offensive coordinator this?
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Are you guys speaking to each other? Are you communicating
because it seems like there's just pockets of disconnect everywhere
in that building.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Right, And there's already reports kind of floating out there
that yeah, it could be a one and done for
Pete and for Chip. And then you know John Spytech,
who had that relationship. We had him on the show,
you know, with Tom Brady on some level, who's the
general manager. His draft class, even if you look after
Ashton's mty, is contributing about as little as any draft
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class in the entire NFL. Like they had two offensive
linemen they took in the third round that don't play
on this offensive line. Jack Besh was a second round
pick who's not really playing or contributing at wide receiver
like Darien Porter's at cornerback. And I'm sure he'd want
some of those guys to play more, you know, you
would imagine, but they're not even making it to the field.
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This is a hot seat game for both the coaches,
although Kevin Stefanski is one to oh in hot seat
games this year, beating Mike McDaniel maybe in a blood.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Bath, maybe a tryout of sorts for Kevin st to fan,
that's that's spicy.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Last thing I want to say, shout out to Evan
Silva Adam Levittan do great work at a stat Much
to run great podcast. I was listening to them and
I thought they were under selling just a little bit
how good quin John Jenkins is. This is how good
I think Quinjohn Junkins is. I would take him over
at Ashton genty right now if I'm doing a redraft.
I think Gents is a good player and he'll have
(37:15):
a good career. I think Judkins is a special player.
They're both in bad situations, but I think Judkins has.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Wow, that's spicy, that's very spice my take. Okay, I'm
gonna disagree with.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Not a huge shoots thing, but like, yeah, I'd take him.
I think he's gonna have a great career.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
We've got one more game. It's the Atlanta Falcons. It's
the New Orleans Saints. It's one of the best rivalries
in professional sports among the fan base, the teams is.
You know, sometimes things get active there. The Saints are
favored by one and a half points. Get well soon
to Michael Pennock Junior, who was out for the remainder
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of the season with a torn acl Adam I mean
and Drew Brees on the call, great.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Drew Brees didn't mention I had his game last week.
I'm gonna do a segment that I think we're only
gonna do once, which is constructive criticism for Drew Brees.
And my my feedback would just be like, give us more.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
What do you mean though?
Speaker 1 (38:21):
You know that's the sort of sort of meme like
like go girl, give us nothing.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
You know, there's like.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
I was just like early career, do a lipa.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
But like after that meme do a lipa? Did begin
to give us?
Speaker 4 (38:35):
She asked, she's a showman, so you're.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Trying to do what that famed comment or did for
Drew Brees.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
And you know what, I want to be fair, very
low energy. You know how they say it's like, oh,
just be yourself when you're on TV. It's like, well,
not not totally. You want you want a little more
if you're low energy. I think even literally by the
end of that game, I do feel bad about this.
I think he was even perking up and getting more
into it by the end of the game.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
But yeah, just give us more.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
And because the Saints fans are going to be watching
and that's that's a great fan base, but not all
the Saints fans. I saw something our friend Adams sent
to us. They've lost Shreveport. Treeport's not even getting this game.
That's how bad the Saints are right now. They're getting
the Cowboys game like locally, and it is like West Louisiana,
which has a lot of Cowboys fans. Yeah, but I
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don't think that's a normal thing that they're not getting
Falcon Saints in the state of Louisiana.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
And Smitty's hometown and they're playing there is some of that.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
There's a lot of Cowboys fans. I get it.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
But you guys want to play like a very quick
guessing game. Sure, Okay, so we know the Falcons love
to blitz a lot, right, That's their favorite thing to do,
and it's a great way they're manufacturing pressure and Tyler
Schuck being the quarterback on the other side. How many
passes just put a number on it. Do you think
Tyler Shuck has so far completed against the.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Blitz three six?
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Well, you both sold them a little shortly. Okay, passes
completed against the Buck It feels.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Like a lot for two games, Am I crazy or not?
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Not?
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Not A lot of games are.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
Blitzing him a lot. Okay, So on twenty two blitzes
nine completions, So this is going to be another Hey,
is this an actual data set to follow or is
this something that he can solve and figure out that's important.
I don't think he's looked bad. Honestly, I don't think
he's looked bad. He won't have Brandon Cooks, who is
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taking up a lot of the snap share. So Brandon
Cooks and the Saints mutually agreed to part ways, which
I know Greg had some thoughts about, I'm trying to
tea Greg up on his Loomis takes here. Wow, now
that we're handing out constructive criticism.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Look, we spent all last offseason saying the Saints cannot
move forward or last season and actually progress as a
franchise if they keep Mickey Loomis. There is no restart
with Nicky Loomis, and it's gotten even worse. Like that
was one of the craziest contracts in the entire NFL.
Who was bidding against them to pay Brandon Cooks like
seven point five guaranteed? Like this was easy to see coming.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
I think they were able to get get out of
some of the guarantee well.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
If someone else signed them, which we'll see. I want
to see if the Tyler Shuck stuff to be real.
I like it against the can carry over because I
don't know if like a lot of it was in
create mode, which was interesting. He is talented, but can
he do it in more of the structure of the offense.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
And this is a better defense. This defense can really
turn it on. You know, everybody has to have a
good game. We were talking about Jesse Bates last week having
probably one of his poorer games in recent memory. But
this defense, they're getting pressure better. The rookie pass rushers
that they brought in are playing really well. So I
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like the test for Tyler Shuck against this, this Falcons defense.
And on the other side of it, I mean, you know,
the Saints defense kind of is what it is at
this point, and we don't really know what a new
era of Kirk Cousins Falcons offense is going to look like.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
And yeah, as Mike Triplett said, courtesy of Drew Christensen,
who did tell me that they got the two million
dollars removed from the guarantees, but Mike triplet reporting that
they weren't able to save those two million dollars.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
There's some other money, yeah, but they still there were
seven point eight guaranteed. When it has the ED on it,
it's like they weren't really guaranteed. They still have to
pay them all that.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Well, and that's the thing, and which is why we
should change the way we discuss guarantees because it can't
be in guaranteed. If it's guaranteed, then then that money
is going to the player no matter what conditional guarantees
is an oxymoron. Also, reaggravations of injuries is another thing
that I will discuss because Michael Pennix Junior was on
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that report with a knee sprain and then he's playing
and now it's they're saying it's partially torn. If you
have a tear in your anterior cruciate ligament, you have
a torn aco. So my general question would be, how
did Michael Pennock Junior play games well the torn a
c L. That would be my question as he now is.
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Season is over and the Saints are playing in this game.
So before we go, guys, since you both read the
famed final playoff game of Cameron Drell Newton, can you
name three of the players that he completed passes to
in that game.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
Uh Kayln Clay, Wow, you.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Got Kayln Clay.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
She covered the team. This isn't fair, Ted Gins no longer.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
There we're past the gin Era at this point, trying.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
To think who the tight end is for that team.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Ginn was actually playing for the Saints at the time.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Wow, Christian McCaffrey. Okay, oh yeah, that's a good one.
Jonathan Stewart, No, no, j stew Miss Jay Stewar.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
How long ago.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Was crack?
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Oh it's the he was in that game, bro, Like,
you guys are making fun of me.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Jonathan Stewart's on that team. Jordan, you covered that team
and you're coming at me for.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
That seventeen right? Oh yeah, you're right. And then, oh
my gosh, it was the the short receiver that returned
a punt for them one time.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
God, I don't remember Briton person.
Speaker 4 (44:22):
Oh but also you could have except forgot about the.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Guy that's going to be in the call of the
Minnesota and Green Bay game because g Reg was still playing.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
Oh when but Greg had a Liz Frank right? Was
that the same? No? That was a year later, damn it.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Now he had eight cashes for one hundred and seven yards.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
I missed the list because I was gonna guess Greg,
and then I was like, no, I remember standing at
a Lockcraft got the Liz Brank So I missed it
by a year.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Yeah, well yeah, that that's how much sitt't right. They
we're looking forward to this Kirk Cousins versus Styler.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Shock that was actually pretty talented offense, Greg Alson, Jonathan Stewart,
Christian McCaffrey. Just a complete vacuum at the other important I'll.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Get britten person out there some routes.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
Uh yeah, I had wiped the memory bretton Erson.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
From Falcon Saints.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
I'm going to be assigning that to myself because that
is one of the rules that I've lived by on
both the Around the NFL podcasts and NFL Daily is.
At one time I missed a classic Saints Falcons and
I said never again because they always delivered.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
So it's Drew Brees this weekend.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
It is go girl after you're coaching.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
That's it for week twelve.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
And look, by the next preview show, the season will
be just about to start, because the season starts at
Thanksgiving according to Bill partselves, but the MVP of conversation
is already rolling. We are too. We will be back
on Thursday night. It's going to be Jordan, Rod Brieg
and Nick Shook doing the recap for a big Bills
(45:46):
and Texans game.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
We got some extra programming this week.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
I'm excited to debut, but until then, football's back.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
It's been a while.
Welcome back to NFL Daily, where we're thinking about all
the great points we didn't make on the first show.
That's what I think about when I leave here. I
was just like, Oh, I had a banger on how
conservative Mike McDonald is. Didn't get that one out. We're
gonna talk late games. We do that in the second
(00:25):
part of the show. And I like the prime time
slate this week. It should I support it.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
It should be fun, including a game that gets the
Fox one team. It's Tom Brady at at and T
Stadium with Kevin Burkhardt up there with him. The Philadelphia
Eagles are back against the Dallas Cowboys where they are
three point favorite. Quinn Williams, Demarvion Overshawn. The defense looked
better Gregett was against the Raiders. They looked better against
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the Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yes, because the Eagles offense is not it, and I
know this is an easier amount for them and they're
going to play better and it's indoors. All that will help,
of course, but I do think it's worth noting like
Quinn Williams could be a force multiplier there where their
run defense could immediately get respectable. I went back and
watched some of those overshown snaps. He looked pretty good.
(01:16):
So that's adding two important players. You're healthier on the
back end with you know, Deron Bladsman back for a
few weeks now, but you get your high pick. Shavon
Ravel is in the mix too. It's pretty deep up front.
I just haven't ruled out this Cowboys team. And maybe
it's wishful thinking, being frisky.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
And they're they're basically in primetime. I know this is
not primetime. This is you know, the standalone game at
four twenty five, but between Thanksgiving and primetime, they're basically
in primetime for the next five weeks.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
So get ready for a lot of Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
If you if you thought we hadn't had enough Cowboys
this year, more Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah, and they the only solution is mark poor Cowboys.
But I feel like this is they're hoping that you
just didn't watch them the entire previous part of the year,
although the offense probably feels good about the body of
work that it's before. But yeah, yes it was against
the Raiders, but when you kind of watch that defense
in a vacuum, the piece has made sense. More of
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the concepts that they were running made sense, and it
looked like a defense that could actually defend multiple types
of attacks. You know, the Raiders aren't running like an
eleven personnel attack. The Eagles recently haven't really been leaning
on eleven personnel either, and they haven't been successful in
anything they've tried to do. Meanwhile, the Cowboys offense is fun.
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It's downright fun. Not only do you have Ceedee Lamb
and George Pickens playing awesome football, you have Deck Prescott
playing awesome football. You have Brian Schottenheimer in his bag.
They're starting to bring the run game along back like
how it was at the beginning of the year a
little bit more. And I think that even though this
Eagles defense is absolutely great, this is a game where
they do have some vulnerabilities. If the Cowboys play out
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of tendency a little bit, If Brian Schottenheimer decides that
he's going to use Dak Prescott in a play action
a little bit more than the thirty percent rate very
low that he's using him already, the Eagles are very susceptible.
Actually two big plays there. They're allowing almost ten yards
per play out of play action right now, as outstanding
as this defense is so I think if the Cowboys
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just expand, just like widen your horizons a little bit, Cowboys,
reach your potential. I think this could be really fun game.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
It could be a fun game. Jalen Carr is hopefully
going to play the entire game this time and not
just warm up and be the first Spider and then leave.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Enough spitting.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Also, yeah, let's put a bow on spitting for the
remainder of the twenty.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Twenty five and a great era for the NFL.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
But honestly, I'm going to need to see it consistently
to believe, because I know Quinnin Williams and Marvinovshan are
going to help. This would go a long way towards
making me believe in this Matt Eberflus defense, because the
situation upfront for the Raiders is dire high school ish
at this point, and so it'll go a long way
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towards proving that they can be frisky and then like
maybe like paying attention towards considering the way things could
go in the rest of the NFC. But I just
I just think in a situation where the Eagles are
back indoors, the Cowboys have been so bad. It's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Fine, but it's just show me something.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
For like, almost every unit in this game has like
big questions because I hear you on that, but it's like, Okay,
how stuck in this mud? Is the Eagles offense? Really
Like this is a great way to find out. Saquon
Barkley's still getting hit, you know, behind the line of scrimmage,
Like his yards per you know, in terms of contact
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before he runs is worse than some of those giants years.
And Lane Johnson is potentially the best offensive lineman in
all of football and is out the next month. Their
center Cam Jurgens is not at practice on Wednesday, which
is their biggest practice day, and he might not be available.
Landon Dickerson he's been better lately, but he was injured
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early in the season, So like that's it's not that
good of a matchup necessarily in the middle. I just
I agree, I want to see it, but I want
to see it out of the Eagles offense too, because
I got the sense last week there was a lot
of passes from Jalen Hurts, who used to be the
most accurate quarterback on like throws downfield that just felt
like Will you shut up with the narrative balls where
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he's not even trying to complete him. He's just trying
to He's just like throwing him up there just for
everyone to shut up. I don't really believe that he's
not trying to complete him, but it did just feel like, oh, okay,
you want some deep ball to them, I'll overthrow them
by fifteen yards.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
On the album was having to play the win, he
was having to play the wind in that game where golf.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Look, I love my shut up, my shut up balls.
That's what I'm calling That's what I wrote as my
nose shut up balls here, just like shut up, I'll
throw it. Want to workshop that one?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
No, I like it.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Cure damn balls here damn.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
But it's on the other side too, If I want
to workshop that one.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Tear Dawn.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So those numbers, the play action numbers, you know for
the Eagles, obviously, so much of that is is uh
bj oh.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I got to really workshop that one.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
So I was going to say, it's like bc B
Jalen Phillips trade, how about BJPT that would be good.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
No, I still think it needs to work on.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I think we're having fun the here the Eagles. They've
had two games, two excellent games.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
This is like a can you do it again against
this Cowboys offense?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, you know what I mean. Like it's more of
a real test.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Yeah, and I love it. I still if I if
it came out, I guess I missed it. I still
don't know why the receivers missed the first series. Uh,
both both George Pickens and Ceedee Lamb. I assume that
won't be the case.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
It was an organizational decision to have no context provided
about that. By the way, like everybody.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Said, it was like missing a meeting.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Uh, there was a report that made sense to me
that wasn't from a creditable reporter, but what the heck?
It just sounded so believable that they miss curfew. That's
about oh in.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Vegas, Oh in Vegas. Okay, well, you know, you know
it's easy police to miss.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Curve walks out there longer.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
They got inspired by watching the Netflix Cowboys documentary.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
They wanted to be more like IRV in the Gang.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
I do love this test for the Eagle secondary for sure,
and I love the potential here. Like I said, you know,
they don't like I don't know why they don't like
to run play action with Dak Prescott. I know he
likes to see the field and some quarterbacks hate turning
their back to the defense. I understand all of that.
But he's completing eighty percent of his passes when he
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has run play action, eight and a half yards per attempted,
nine touchdowns with no interceptions. I know I brought that
up as potentially a big hinge point, But if you're
looking at maximizing advantages, where in the few areas that
this defense is a little bit weaker, you might try it.
You might give it a shot.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
It really feels like it's a weekly can the opponent
attack of Dory Mitchell, you know, like Ann Jackson at
Tory Jackson and this.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Is the team still on PTBJ.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, this is the team that would seem more able
to do that than just about anyone because Quinnion Mitchell.
I think, and that I had Mitchell on the brain.
He's having the first team All Pro type of thing. Yes,
I think he is that dude, But hell, George Pickens
right now has more yards and Ceedee Lamb on the season,
even when they've played together, he has more yards. He's
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I'm not ready to put George Pickens in an all
pro conversation, but the numbers would say he should.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Be there, and the and the eye tests as well,
it's too much.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
We love after he makes the catch and he sort
of like slumps his shoulders in his head and he
sort of just does this thing and he's so relaxed.
I saw someone a RAMS fan that I know really well.
I follow her on social media, and she she said,
every play that he makes looks like it was initially
a mistake or it's because but it's just it's magical,
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like the way it's just like, no, he's not supposed
to be there right now, Oh my god, Yeah he is.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
He's Rick Vaughan. He's effectively wild. If you're a guy
in the secondary and you're running towards George Pickens, like
when he cut seventeen yards towards the middle of the field,
you're like, what is he going to do? And sometimes
it looks.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Hilarious can happen?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
The last month that's been justice for those of us
who had Jamo and George Picken one and two on
their twenty whatever year that was receiver list finally vindicated.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Let me go think the explosive guys, you want to
talk about explosive pass game? What about all Monday Night football?
The all time single game record holder for passing yards,
Bryce Young going up against a defense in the forty
nine ers who gave up the most completions to this
game in NFL history. Did Jacoby Brissett last week? And
the Niners are favored a month and nine. Wow, all
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Joe Buck and Troy aik been there. Can Bryce do
it again?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Jordan? I, I think he could have some success against
this forty nine ers group. And in part of that
is because A, let's see him throw it seventy times, right, like,
let's just just go for it. And B Dave Canalis
is moving Tech McMillan around the stack. It's not just
that he's playing more in the slot, which Dave Canallis
was talking about this week, and that could be extremely
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advantageous against a defense like the forty nine Ers, who,
as we have known, are have been Fred warnerless for
a while and are relying on sort of like a
five foot nine, very very physical up and stout. But
like it's it's a depleted group otherwise, and so the
middle of the field is very susceptible, but it's also
that against a really young group on the in the
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defensive backfield, relatively speaking, you know, they're also moving Tech
McMillian McMillan into different leverage areas even in bunch sets
on the outside, so like he's not just the ex
split out wide like we saw a lot in the beginning.
He's also like on the inside leverage in a two
by stack, or he's like he's he's basically changing assignments
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on the defenders. And that's going to be extremely advantageous
for Bryce Young as his favorite target, and it will
be also really a very mathematical disadvantage I think to
the forty nine ers who were just so injured that
it's hard to counter this type of attack.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
He's a real number one receiver.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So I asked you, guys, you could do the draft again,
would you take him or Abuka? I think I would
actually take Tmax. I get my first.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
This is Sean McVay. This is why they were, you know,
trying to trade up for t mac.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
So who would you take between those two? That's tough.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Well, my favorite Buka is my favorite player, and I
thought would be.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
A good question, and I think they're the two leaders
for a Rookie of the Year. Jackson Dart's injury probably
heard him there. I think t Mac has a path.
He's probably not the guy right now, but he has
a path to win that award.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, I will.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Use the right to say that I will go with
TMAC because that's what I said back during the draft. Okay,
the team act will be my one, but I think
it depends on your quarterback. I think the two are
exactly where they need to be.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yea terms of the past, they could be.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
They could be both first team All pros together someding.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
I love that and I also love too this is
we're seeing it again, you guys. This is like two
really really great receivers in the NFC South. Now, the
teams can vary at one point, but I just love
that these guys are going to be growing up together
a little bit. Like that's just fun to me. On
the other side of the ball, this is a sneaky
question mark game for what Kyle Shanahan might game plan out.
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Panthers insidelinebackers have been dealing with injuries. Christian rose Boom,
who's been starting for them, was reporting some hamstring issues
earlier in the week, so you know this might be
a sneaky like vintage Kyle Shanahan circles a player in
your back seven and just spams the spams the ball
at him the entire game. With Brock Purty being back,
you know he's in his A plus sort of game planning.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I love it. And a Christian McCaffery revenge game where
you know, we, oh, yeah, we just saw the Panthers
defense not necessarily great. We could get a Calculator game
with all sorts of weird implications the Bucks looking at
the Panthers on Monday night, like the Bucks could have
come up off of a loss and the Panthers could
be coming closer in the NFC.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
The Panthers could be in first place at the end
of this game. This is there isn't even any debate.
This is easily the Panthers' biggest game since one I attended.
Maybe Jordan Rodrigue was there as well, which was Cam
Newton's last playoff loss.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
When he went to New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
They lost to Alvin Kamara and Mark Ingram's I put
up about three point fifty and three touchdowns of loss,
and it.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Was like Christian and receivers who I actually don't remember
their names, and I don't mean that disrespectfully, but it
was like I remember Ron Rivera had made T shirts
sort of making light of it because they sounded like
a law firm the group of receivers that King had,
which was a repeated issue there.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah, and you ready to go down that price Young
had for two years.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
And I was thinking about it last week when Jalen
Cocher caught some of those fastballs from Bryce Young. One
was on like a very difficult catch that he made
over the middle to keep a drive going. I was thinking, like,
Cocer really matters. I love Jalen Coker, he really matters
for this offense to give them another receiver. I know
he's been healthy now for a few weeks, but he's
coming into it. And then on the forty nine er side, look,
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with their schedule, this is a huge game. It should
go without saying in terms of the NFC Wildcard race,
but especially the forty nine ers schedule.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Which is pretty favorable.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
There's winnable games, like if they can be a top
eight offense with pearsall who looked good last week. I thought,
I know he didn't make any catches, but I went like,
he looked fast, he looked healthy. CMC, Juwan, Jennings, and
Kittle are all playing together with Purdy for the first
time all season. Perdy kind of got a perfect like
warm up game where he's just like got whatever kinks
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out and they put up a forty burger Like there's
a pretty easy path then winn eleven or twelve games
and being like a six seed.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It's time for the Sunday Drive presented by Toyota. Let's
go places. The Los Angeles Rams are going to welcome
back one of their own. Baker Mayfield is coming back
to Sofi Stadium on Sunday Night Football, where the Rams
are favored by six and a half points. Greg Mike
to Rico and Chris Collinsworth on the call. Rams fresh
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off of that big win against the Seahawks. How do
you think they'll look against Baker in the Bucks.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I think they'll look good because they've been as consistent
as any team in the league, and that, you know,
raises a question, what does Baker Mayfield look like? Because look,
when he arrived in Los Angeles just a couple of
games before that, you know, Fame Thursday Nighter. He's at
a low point in his career. He had revenge on
his mind. You know, he just got cut. He's gonna
have revenge on his mind this week too because he
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just got cut off of a quarterback Island.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Let me. Let's hear from Baker.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
I mean, there's no way for me to you know,
surecoat it. It was pivotal in my career, in my journey.
I've told you guys that helped me find the football
or the fun in football again, that joy and just
getting to learn from those guys. Obviously it looks a
lot different now that Raheem Morris has gone, Zach Robinson Liam,
but Sean's been there the whole time. So it's yeah,
they helped me out and you know, help me discover
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what offense I really want to play in and you
know the responsibility that comes with in that a lot
of account of the line of scrimmage and the check
and get to the right place. But yeah, it was
instrumental in my career, something I'm forever grateful for. And
it'll be fun to go back and see some familiar faces.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Oh I love that. I was like, yeah, I get
I think what people don't realize. And I know there's
I get a lot of like why do I like
Baker Mayfield so much? Or why am I always rooting
for Baker Mayfield, And it's it's partially because of that,
like I got to see that happen, and he talks
so much about how like he found the fun in
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football again in that moment. What I hope he realizes
is that he saved that building him coming in. All
up until that game. Let me remind people, Sean McVay
had given up play calling. I've written about this extensively.
At the Athletic he was in the worst like sort
of mental health of his life to that point, and
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he was reeling and the entire building felt it. Matthew
Stafford was injured. The entire building was was tense and
depressed and miserable, and you could feel it walking into
it was like the atmosphere was heavy and it just
weighed on you. And when Baker Mayfield got to town,
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get the bleep button ready behind the glass, but he
just he came in there and he just said, fu,
get we ball. And he had the most fun the
day he got off the plane walking into that building.
He brought Sean McVay back. He brought several of those
assistant coaches back, and then he got them hired in
other buildings because of the work they all did together.
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And they're currently either offense of coordinators or head coaches
because of Baker Mayfield. And he brought that entire roster
back into Joy in a way that was so pure
and true and like one of the coolest things I've
ever seen in my entire life. And second only was
when I got to talk to him after that game.
He showed up and thirty hours later he was winning
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Thursday Night Football, and he showed me his notebook and
all of his notes after the game, and it was
one of the coolest things ever, how you could tell
almost when he flipped a page over, how he had
come back to life, because I'm not kidding. It was
all in color everything, all of these different colors of
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these plays and these little cadences that he had to remember.
And then he wears the wristband and Sean does not
call one of the plays on the wristband. He's just
going They're freestyling the entire way, like I've never seen
something like that happen in Uh life or in football,
and it's like it is a beautiful thing, and I
know that there's like a lot of mutual love there.
And it changed the trajectory not just of Baker Mayfield's career,
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but of Sean McVay and the Los Angeles Rams as well,
because they were spiraling.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
It is such an awesome story and so well told
there too, like in them now meeting at this point
of the season, who knows, maybe they'll meet again in
like the playoffs. You could see that happening at some
point with these almost surprising they haven't gone up against
each other at this point because you're at a point
where the Rams are in the opposite of where they
were then. They are as high as they've ever been
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in the McVeigh era. Like in the regular season you
had the Jared Goff you know, Super Bowl season, they
were in the stratosphere there.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
But here it's more of like a.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Complete team where I think a lot of people this
week are coming around to the idea that hey, this
is maybe the best team in football. And it's not
just about mcveigh's play calling, which is incredible, and Stafford's
play which is awesome. It's being able to win a
game where he throws for one hundred and thirty year
and having a defense Patrick this week, that should create
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problems for a Baker Mayfield who's struggling, and man, he
is as streaky a quarterback as I think there's been
in the NFL. I would put Kirk Cousins in that
group too, and I'm Kirk Cousins as any. And he
feels like he's in a little bit of a dip
and you never know what he's gonna come out of it,
like maybe the Rams in this great matchup for some reason,
that makes sense to me that actually he'll come out
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of it this week, like the week he gets off
quarterback Island, the week he's almost a touchdown underdog, Like
I could see that happening.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
He's gonna need some help from from Grizzard, you know
as R King. Yeah, the Lizard King in this one,
because the matchup with Buffalo seemed to dictate running the ball,
and they came out running the ball. They ran the
ball very well. Sean Tucker had a great game, but
I felt like you never really got Baker involved enough
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in the past game when when the Bills started going
up and down the field, and it's kind of a
similar situation here where you'd like to attack the Rams
on the ground, but the team's never going to be
as good as they're going to be unless Baker is
having that success through the air that he was having
earlier in the season and you get the big plays
you know from Tesz Johnson and Abuka, you know, and
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maybe you know Chris Godwin and Bucky Irving are getting
closer to playing according to Todd Bowles in the middle
of the week here in week twelve, where we can
kind of see what they what they were like where
they were, but they're not doing it.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Unless and I don't think a Godwin is going to
be a difference maker for them just coming off that injury.
Mike Evans would be. It's just weird because tes Johnson
and Sterling Shepherd seem open. I think that's been the
biggest problems is he's hunting these big plays and he's
not taking the checkdowns that are there. He is thirty
first right now in success rate in the NFL when
he has not been pressured. The only quarterbacks behind Baker
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Mayfield on the season are cam Ward JJ McCarthy and
Dylan Gabriel. Three rookies essentially, and there seems like there's
open receivers there to be had, and he's been forcing
it a lot to abuka or holding it, and teams
have had success, you know, stopping him from runn at
least until last week.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
If you're King Grizzard the Lizard Wizard and you're listening
to the show right now, you I think the way
you get Baker back to himself is to get him
involved in the running game and to get him to
hit him on some of those perimeter runs that the
Rams are susceptible to. And also to get your run
game on these toss runs toward the perimeters that the
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Seahawks had a lot of success with, even as it
was tough sledding sometimes for them up the middle. Running
those old vintage Kubiak plays, you know, the Zoro toss
and all those perimeter toss runs really was effective. And
Baker is a perimeter runner too, and so I think
that's how you kind of get Baker Mayfield's juice back
and get him flowing and get him like I just
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I just remember and watching it, it's like you almost
got to shake him out of his mind a little bit.
You got to shake him out of it and sometimes
taking a hit, getting a first down and taking a hit,
We'll do that, and I think that that's an effective
way to actually attack a RAMS defense that is going
to pressure the crap out of him and also be
very very difficult to run the ball on up the middle.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
They really missed the son Reddick, who's possibly gonna be
back for this game, but it doesn't sound like it,
but his window could be open, and he really helped
them out because they are blitzing a ton and they're
not getting like a ton of pressure, and he was
really valuable for them. They might get Colijah Kanti back
for the playoffs potentially, but they just haven't quite been
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the same. I'll be curious to see if Jameel Dean
plays in this game. He left with an injury last week.
He has been their best cornerback and they've just been
like it's come down to them just being like a
terrible red zone team for some reason on both sides
of the ball, Like they actually are profiling as a
better team than they've really shown up. But when other
teams get in the red zone, they score, and when
they get in the red zone, they don't score the
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bad combination.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
All right, let's take a break.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Hopefully we get a perfect little sequel up to that
Baker game.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Yeah, or maybe fun either way.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Although you know what I think of the sequel to
that Baker game.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Was the fifty burger he put on the Broncos on Christmas.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
That was like the sequel.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
That was pretty fun too.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
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Speaker 1 (24:51):
Back on NFL Daily, Jordan is here, Patrick is here. Yes,
the Claymates are going crazy everywhere the clay Bon Bonds.
The Claymates won the contest of the Patrick Claybon Fan
Club how have you heard that the meetings have been
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going lately of the clay Bon Vivan.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Well, I think people are deranged that they would associate
themselves with me. Anyway, I know they're having a bounce back.
It was too much yelling for me in last week
in general. But there's hey, we got no more early
early rise wake up.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
That's true. We're done with the international slate.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
So that that particular part of the bit is dead.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
The way listeners, thank you, cross.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
That off and uh international.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
But I also love football here in most of Statosundo
where the Jacksonville Jaguars. Who I thought, Hey, so the
Chargers are going to go over to Jacksonville. No they
did not. Liam Cohen and squad said no. And they
are two and a half point favorites against again the
NFL's all times single game completions record holder Jacoby Brissette Jordan,
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what does he have in store for us this week?
The over unders forty seven and a half. Spirodidas and
Adam Archiletta.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
On the call man, It's just hard to trust the
Cardinals by about the halfway point of any season. Really,
If the Jaguars can run the ball the way that
they did last week. There's no shot for Arizona in
its game because they were just it was a very
depleted offensive line by the Chargers. I will say, while
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they are not from the same coaching family per se,
there's some similarities in the type of matchup baszone coverages
that Jesse Minter likes to play and the matchup baszone
coverages that Jonathan Gannon likes to play. Liam Cohen and
his group just took the teeth completely out of that defense,
and they're feeling themselves right now.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
And yet I don't have any particular faith of the
Jaguars will because this running game usually we talk about
like a quarterback's inconsistent, or like their running game is inconsistent.
If you've watched like five games this year, five certain
games they look like one of the best, coolest groups
in the league, and the other five they've stunk fun right,
And this is weirdly kind of the prove it game,
(27:21):
I think for the Jaguars, because I think I can
totally imagine them losing this game if you're going to
be a real serious team, if you're going to make
the playoffs. Essentially, this game is a game that you
can and should win, and so I just want to
see it, like, I'm not sure it's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
I probably am gonna take the Cardinals. I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, I'm not sure why either, Greg, because I.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Because it just doesn't make sense, because the Cardinals shouldn't
be three and seven.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
They're not this bad.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
No they're not. But they've gotten worse yet they are.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
It's true, they have gotten a lot worse.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Mac Wilson went to IR and it to the point
where even you, Greg were thinking the Seahawks had figured
out the run game because they were playing the Arizona
Cardinals and they're good on defense. But no, like that
was just not the case. And then Christian mccaffery's having
his best yards per carry performance of the season, and
so like either those two teams suddenly got much better
(28:18):
at running the ball or the Cardinals has just fallen
off the map on defense and not having a guy
who's been good in pass coverage as well with the
run fits he's the team captain, he's making the calls
as well. Where it's it's having a whole lot of
impact where I'm watching the way that and we'll see
if BASI will Tuton is able to play in this game,
but both of him and Etn, you could throw Trev
(28:39):
in there. If the Jags can run the ball against you,
that's the spot. So like, if they're gonna win any games,
I would take them to win this one.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Man. You know what was kind of cool was watching
that game last week and facial Tuton came out swinging
like he looked like a steam engine immediately and it
almost was like, you know, Threetn was like, okay, hold
my beer, like I'm gonna cut you know, and become
really this dominant one to punch, and I just I
(29:07):
loved it. I thought it was cool. You could see
them like a true two BAC system. You could see
them almost feeding off of each other's success prior to
the injury. I hope he plays. I'm in the Tutin
hive as as we know you were.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
You were honking the Tuton' hive was was loud and
enjoying it and not happy when Etn came like back
into the game and then and then Tuton got hurt.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I think you just.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Want it all to everyone to be successful.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
You were just like lean on to and we don't
need any of this Patrick.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Just now did Greg do that thing where he just
made up something that.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
You like, you were you were you were wanting him
to carry the load. Uh, they're both limited, both limited,
So that's a good sign.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
He's already limited. Pick him up. I do think he's
a good pickup.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I noticed he's available in uh both my kids leagues,
So I was like, Tutin.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I think they're both started.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah in this game.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, if you have them both, if you've got like
a handcuff situation, you've got tuting in the event that
ETN goes down, go ahead and put them both in
your line up this week, especially with all the boys.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I was watching that game Toton get to scootin. I
was watching that.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Game last week and Walter Nolan had another good game,
and I'm thinking, oh, Kalayskam was playing pretty well, and
Josh Sweat's out there. They put a lot into this defense,
and you're right there, they're not stopping the run. It's
just it's just why I feel like at some point
they should win some games. Maybe they'll get back Trey Benson,
probably not this week, but he might come back. Jacoby Brissett,
(30:35):
despite all the eyeball like he looks like he's playing well,
and he's set in records. He's twenty nine out of
thirty three qualifiers in QBR. You know, there's like a
million different stats, but in QBR, which does penalize you
quite a bit for not being able to run, which
he can't and the turnovers that he's had which have happened.
You know, he's actually been significantly worse than Kyler Murray.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
And he will not worth point out, he will not
have Marvin Harrison Junior back for another week after the
appendix surgery of two weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Shout out Michael Wilson.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Yes, highly productive yet no touchdown.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, the seventh highest scoring Fantasy game of all time
by a receiver that didn't have a touchdown.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
It's got to be the top by a receiver who's
definitely not the best athlete in.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
His own family.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
The Cardinals are also have been in his own marriage,
emrhaging running backs all year two. Demark Cardos now banged up.
They I mean this team is struggling. They're struggling.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Would you guys like to talk about to struggling football teams? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I would.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
The Cleveland Browns are playing the Las Vegas Raiders, and
the Raiders are favored by three and a half point
what over under?
Speaker 3 (31:42):
How I'm taking that?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
It's thirty six and a half. Tom McCarthy and Ross
Tucker are all on the call as Greg. There are
clearly people in Las Vegas who have confidence with the Raiders, do.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
You I do not.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
I am doing a first which is you know, we
do our segments with Cynthia against the spread. It went
three and oh last week, seven straight winning weeks. I'm
previewing one of my picks here. Let's go Browns and
shoulder Sanders plus three and a half.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Let's listen to.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
So.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
I know our fans have a lot of expectations in Hope,
and I would be doing a disservice to myself, in
disservice to the organization if I didn't feel like I
am the guy all right.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
He believes in himself. He was a very jovial press conference.
I watched a chunk of it. He's he always seems
happy to be there, which which I appreciate. Obviously, my
pick is not about Shaudur Sanders. It's partly about that.
I don't think the passing game is gonna be demonstrably
different with him and Dylan Gabriel, Like, he might take
more sacks, he might have a couple more big plays.
It's not gonna be good. It just it would be
(32:54):
surprising if it was good, even against the Raids. It's
just that we have literally the number one defense according
to DVA and the NFL playing for one of those teams,
and they're the underdogs in this game.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
So I just feel better about that team.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Yeah, I agree, and I think too the things that
even the Raiders are like, I don't want to even
say doing well because nothing is going well. They look
completely incompetent in every single phase. But the thing that
does work when things work is rock Bowers and using
more twelve personnel. Well, hey, the Cleveland Browns are perfectly
built to defend dynamic tight ends, especially across the middle
(33:29):
of the field because they have an absolute freak in
rookie linebacker Carson Swessinger, who you brought up earlier, making
plays like this. This is such a bad matchup, even
with the struggles on offense that the Browns have been
going through, Such a bad matchup if you're the Raiders,
because this defense can just absolutely smother you, and they
to win this game. They should score, and I think
(33:49):
they will score.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
I misspoke, by the way, they're fifth in total efficiency.
I think it was maybe it was against the past
they were number one or something like that.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yeah, I'm with you, Greg. Hopefully Cynthia doesn't pick up
a game on game deview on us because we were
both taking the road dog they come in there and win.
But to think about this game and what I'll hope
to talk about when we do game deview is there
was a third and one in this game where the
(34:19):
Raiders had two tight ends to the left and the
Cowboys were in zone like to the strength of the
formation on the other side, and there were no numbers,
and they run a toss to Ashton genty on third
and one and with no numbers, and he's tackled for
a four yard loss. And that was one of the
final Chip Kelly called runs of the game. And that
(34:41):
was in the third quarter where I don't know what
they're trying to do. I don't know what they want
to do, and I don't know if they have the
personnel to do what they want to do or what
they're what they're trying to do. It's it's bad all around.
So yeah, they're not beat in Cleveland. Like we talked
in the earlier show about the Ravens and their issues
(35:02):
with finding Miles Garrett, who should be like the number
one priority. Now I'm asking this offensive line which is
even worse.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
And reports kind of surfacing too about offensive lineman not
knowing their assignments and not knowing what the calls are,
and it's just like it's all bad and there's also
a disconnect. I was texting Greg about this, like, we
have eyeballs. We know that it would be really difficult
to run the ball behind this offensive line, regardless of
who you are as a running back, regardless of who
you are as a coordinator to call runs, it's just
(35:30):
not going to probably be very successful. At the same time,
Pete Carroll comes out there every week into the media
and A talks about how surprised he is that the
defense isn't playing better. I'm like, the roster is the
roster man. And then b comes out and says and
talks about how they need to run the ball more,
and I'm like, are you telling your offensive coordinator this?
(35:50):
Are you guys speaking to each other? Are you communicating
because it seems like there's just pockets of disconnect everywhere
in that building.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Right, And there's already reports kind of floating out there
that yeah, it could be a one and done for
Pete and for Chip. And then you know John Spytech,
who had that relationship. We had him on the show,
you know, with Tom Brady on some level, who's the
general manager. His draft class, even if you look after
Ashton's mty, is contributing about as little as any draft
(36:18):
class in the entire NFL. Like they had two offensive
linemen they took in the third round that don't play
on this offensive line. Jack Besh was a second round
pick who's not really playing or contributing at wide receiver
like Darien Porter's at cornerback. And I'm sure he'd want
some of those guys to play more, you know, you
would imagine, but they're not even making it to the field.
(36:39):
This is a hot seat game for both the coaches,
although Kevin Stefanski is one to oh in hot seat
games this year, beating Mike McDaniel maybe in a blood.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Bath, maybe a tryout of sorts for Kevin st to fan,
that's that's spicy.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Last thing I want to say, shout out to Evan
Silva Adam Levittan do great work at a stat Much
to run great podcast. I was listening to them and
I thought they were under selling just a little bit
how good quin John Jenkins is. This is how good
I think Quinjohn Junkins is. I would take him over
at Ashton genty right now if I'm doing a redraft.
I think Gents is a good player and he'll have
(37:15):
a good career. I think Judkins is a special player.
They're both in bad situations, but I think Judkins has.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Wow, that's spicy, that's very spice my take. Okay, I'm
gonna disagree with.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Not a huge shoots thing, but like, yeah, I'd take him.
I think he's gonna have a great career.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
We've got one more game. It's the Atlanta Falcons. It's
the New Orleans Saints. It's one of the best rivalries
in professional sports among the fan base, the teams is.
You know, sometimes things get active there. The Saints are
favored by one and a half points. Get well soon
to Michael Pennock Junior, who was out for the remainder
(37:52):
of the season with a torn acl Adam I mean
and Drew Brees on the call, great.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Drew Brees didn't mention I had his game last week.
I'm gonna do a segment that I think we're only
gonna do once, which is constructive criticism for Drew Brees.
And my my feedback would just be like, give us more.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
What do you mean though?
Speaker 1 (38:21):
You know that's the sort of sort of meme like
like go girl, give us nothing.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
You know, there's like.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
I was just like early career, do a lipa.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
But like after that meme do a lipa? Did begin
to give us?
Speaker 4 (38:35):
She asked, she's a showman, so you're.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Trying to do what that famed comment or did for
Drew Brees.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
And you know what, I want to be fair, very
low energy. You know how they say it's like, oh,
just be yourself when you're on TV. It's like, well,
not not totally. You want you want a little more
if you're low energy. I think even literally by the
end of that game, I do feel bad about this.
I think he was even perking up and getting more
into it by the end of the game.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
But yeah, just give us more.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
And because the Saints fans are going to be watching
and that's that's a great fan base, but not all
the Saints fans. I saw something our friend Adams sent
to us. They've lost Shreveport. Treeport's not even getting this game.
That's how bad the Saints are right now. They're getting
the Cowboys game like locally, and it is like West Louisiana,
which has a lot of Cowboys fans. Yeah, but I
(39:23):
don't think that's a normal thing that they're not getting
Falcon Saints in the state of Louisiana.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
And Smitty's hometown and they're playing there is some of that.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
There's a lot of Cowboys fans. I get it.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
But you guys want to play like a very quick
guessing game. Sure, Okay, so we know the Falcons love
to blitz a lot, right, That's their favorite thing to do,
and it's a great way they're manufacturing pressure and Tyler
Schuck being the quarterback on the other side. How many
passes just put a number on it. Do you think
Tyler Shuck has so far completed against the.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Blitz three six?
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Well, you both sold them a little shortly. Okay, passes
completed against the Buck It feels.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Like a lot for two games, Am I crazy or not?
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Not?
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Not A lot of games are.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
Blitzing him a lot. Okay, So on twenty two blitzes
nine completions, So this is going to be another Hey,
is this an actual data set to follow or is
this something that he can solve and figure out that's important.
I don't think he's looked bad. Honestly, I don't think
he's looked bad. He won't have Brandon Cooks, who is
(40:27):
taking up a lot of the snap share. So Brandon
Cooks and the Saints mutually agreed to part ways, which
I know Greg had some thoughts about, I'm trying to
tea Greg up on his Loomis takes here. Wow, now
that we're handing out constructive criticism.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Look, we spent all last offseason saying the Saints cannot
move forward or last season and actually progress as a
franchise if they keep Mickey Loomis. There is no restart
with Nicky Loomis, and it's gotten even worse. Like that
was one of the craziest contracts in the entire NFL.
Who was bidding against them to pay Brandon Cooks like
seven point five guaranteed? Like this was easy to see coming.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
I think they were able to get get out of
some of the guarantee well.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
If someone else signed them, which we'll see. I want
to see if the Tyler Shuck stuff to be real.
I like it against the can carry over because I
don't know if like a lot of it was in
create mode, which was interesting. He is talented, but can
he do it in more of the structure of the offense.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
And this is a better defense. This defense can really
turn it on. You know, everybody has to have a
good game. We were talking about Jesse Bates last week having
probably one of his poorer games in recent memory. But
this defense, they're getting pressure better. The rookie pass rushers
that they brought in are playing really well. So I
(41:47):
like the test for Tyler Shuck against this, this Falcons defense.
And on the other side of it, I mean, you know,
the Saints defense kind of is what it is at
this point, and we don't really know what a new
era of Kirk Cousins Falcons offense is going to look like.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
And yeah, as Mike Triplett said, courtesy of Drew Christensen,
who did tell me that they got the two million
dollars removed from the guarantees, but Mike triplet reporting that
they weren't able to save those two million dollars.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
There's some other money, yeah, but they still there were
seven point eight guaranteed. When it has the ED on it,
it's like they weren't really guaranteed. They still have to
pay them all that.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Well, and that's the thing, and which is why we
should change the way we discuss guarantees because it can't
be in guaranteed. If it's guaranteed, then then that money
is going to the player no matter what conditional guarantees
is an oxymoron. Also, reaggravations of injuries is another thing
that I will discuss because Michael Pennix Junior was on
(42:47):
that report with a knee sprain and then he's playing
and now it's they're saying it's partially torn. If you
have a tear in your anterior cruciate ligament, you have
a torn aco. So my general question would be, how
did Michael Pennock Junior play games well the torn a
c L. That would be my question as he now is.
(43:09):
Season is over and the Saints are playing in this game.
So before we go, guys, since you both read the
famed final playoff game of Cameron Drell Newton, can you
name three of the players that he completed passes to
in that game.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
Uh Kayln Clay, Wow, you.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Got Kayln Clay.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
She covered the team. This isn't fair, Ted Gins no longer.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
There we're past the gin Era at this point, trying.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
To think who the tight end is for that team.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Ginn was actually playing for the Saints at the time.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Wow, Christian McCaffrey. Okay, oh yeah, that's a good one.
Jonathan Stewart, No, no, j stew Miss Jay Stewar.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
How long ago.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Was crack?
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Oh it's the he was in that game, bro, Like,
you guys are making fun of me.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Jonathan Stewart's on that team. Jordan, you covered that team
and you're coming at me for.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
That seventeen right? Oh yeah, you're right. And then, oh
my gosh, it was the the short receiver that returned
a punt for them one time.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
God, I don't remember Briton person.
Speaker 4 (44:22):
Oh but also you could have except forgot about the.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Guy that's going to be in the call of the
Minnesota and Green Bay game because g Reg was still playing.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
Oh when but Greg had a Liz Frank right? Was
that the same? No? That was a year later, damn it.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Now he had eight cashes for one hundred and seven yards.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
I missed the list because I was gonna guess Greg,
and then I was like, no, I remember standing at
a Lockcraft got the Liz Brank So I missed it
by a year.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Yeah, well yeah, that that's how much sitt't right. They
we're looking forward to this Kirk Cousins versus Styler.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Shock that was actually pretty talented offense, Greg Alson, Jonathan Stewart,
Christian McCaffrey. Just a complete vacuum at the other important I'll.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Get britten person out there some routes.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
Uh yeah, I had wiped the memory bretton Erson.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
From Falcon Saints.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
I'm going to be assigning that to myself because that
is one of the rules that I've lived by on
both the Around the NFL podcasts and NFL Daily is.
At one time I missed a classic Saints Falcons and
I said never again because they always delivered.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
So it's Drew Brees this weekend.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
It is go girl after you're coaching.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
That's it for week twelve.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
And look, by the next preview show, the season will
be just about to start, because the season starts at
Thanksgiving according to Bill partselves, but the MVP of conversation
is already rolling. We are too. We will be back
on Thursday night. It's going to be Jordan, Rod Brieg
and Nick Shook doing the recap for a big Bills
(45:46):
and Texans game.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
We got some extra programming this week.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
I'm excited to debut, but until then, football's back.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
It's been a while.
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