October 2, 2025 • 41 mins
Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Jourdan Rodrigue, Patrick Claybon, and Steve Wyche to preview the Week 5 NFC home games from around the NFL. The crew starts with Broncos at Eagles followed by Buccaneers at Seahawks (9:49), Giants at Saints (19:40), Dolphins at Panthers (26:13), and wrap up the NFC preview with Titans at Cardinals (33:45).
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're sick of coming up
with funny starts to the show. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm here,
I'm in London, and we're gonna go through the NFC
games like the AFC in like many weeks, it's in Valles.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Fewer games this.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Week on the NFC, but maybe the game of the
week does have an NFC home game.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yeah, a couple of teams that won last week, The
Denver Broncos at the Philadelphia Eagles were unbeaten, but you
wouldn't know about listening to the teams covered. They are
favored about three and a half. The over under Steve
was forty three and a half points. Jim Nantz, Tony Rolo,
Tracy Wolfson. It is the CBS one and they get
to see a team that can beat anybody, a team
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that's really good.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
I'm talking about both of them there, but one of them.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
It's like the sky is falling and they win every game.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
O sky's falling a Philly Oh that's never happened. Wonderful fans,
wonderful media media base. But this guy's not always fun.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Look.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
I like the way Philadelphia is playing playing light champions
but Denvers.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
You start seeing them starting to ascend.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
And watching bon Nicks, and you know, I'm a big
BONICKX guy. The confidence he is starting to play with
he's got just ain't going with Courtland Sutton. I like
the way they run the ball, and I think bon
Nicks is a part of it. I think they're gonna
find some cracks in this Eagles defense. This is this
is a really good game. There's three and a half number.
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I like the number of Phillies getting three and a half,
but I think Denver's I think Denver's got some hot sauce.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
For him here.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
I like the way that they have only just recently
started running the ball against that Cincinnati Fingals.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
But I mean this is this is Sean Payton.
Speaker 7 (01:51):
Yes, this is exactly it.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
It's basically like you might as well just giving him
a blank field to play on, and he's going to
show you exactly what he wants to do.
Speaker 7 (01:59):
And started out kind of rough that first quarter.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
Made a couple of bad decisions, one a misthrow to
Evan Ingram like goll of it too late, another one
a bad interception, but then picked up a touchdown with
his legs, which I think will be a factor in
this game because it adds dimension to their run game.
Steve and I also think that his connection with Courtland
Sutton is really starting to like re emerge.
Speaker 7 (02:23):
We saw it last year obviously, but he hit.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Him on this really really nice touchdown throw. And the
problem for bo Nix and Courtland Sutton is that they
are going to be facing quin Yon Mitchell, who was
a real defensive player of the Week last week against
Tampa Bay. Hit a couple of different assignments, but shadowed
Emica Abuka for twenty two of Aguka's routes. According to
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next Gen Stats, was targeted six times, allowed only two
catches for six yards. Was targeted nine total times by
Baker Mayfield gave up no additional catches he played, including
a great pass breakup to our getting Chris Godwin.
Speaker 7 (03:01):
I mean, he is.
Speaker 6 (03:02):
Playing lights out incredible defense. Cooper dejen is a great
partner for him in that defensive backfield. They just they
understand each other's spacing, They understand where each other is
at all times, they move around, they change assignments.
Speaker 7 (03:16):
It's a really cool thing to watch.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
And I think that becomes kind of a nightmare for
Bonix because he's targeting one receiver very often, going to
tight end a little bit too.
Speaker 7 (03:26):
But Courtland sentence, his guy, guess what Sean Payton's gonna do.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
I'm gonna throw the ball out of the backfield and
he's gonna motion the hell out of the Eagles his
personal packages. Hopefully he uses the Koli package. This is
something he hasn't broken up, and the Coolie package. Dedication
Archie Cooley, Missipi Valley State. They rans for Jerry Rice.
It's not just a three by one. Three receivers by
one on the opposite side. You're stacking them almost in
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a triple I one two three, one right behind the
other behind the other. Sean Payton used it again, hits.
His tribute is homage to Archie Cooley, the he Misissippi
Valley State coach.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
He's going to break that out.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
There's a quick route, there's a deep route, there's another
route off of it. This is how you stop at
Quinnon Mitchell. You forced men a tackle in open space,
which Quinyon Mitchell does. But he's gonna scheme them, personnel them,
package them as best he can to avoid a great
defensive player.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
The way the circumstance worked out last week for the Eagles.
With the Bucks having the injuries that they did, they
were able to deploy quinnyon in a sense where you
knew that it had to be Abuka right for the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers. But the Broncos come in and while
Sudden gets the vast majority of the targets and the opportunity.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
They can spread the ball around a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And they haven't had a game where they all put
it together, like when bo Nicks was on against the Bengals,
like as the game went on, Tony Franklin had excuse me,
Detroit Franklin.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Had the drug right.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
And then you get to points where Evan Ingram is,
there's still like some inconsistency. They haven't quite figured out
how to make that matchup work within this offense and
have him get down the field. And have been running
these go balls that we discussed all off season, and
John Bayden was saying, you know, we're gonna get Evan
Ingram down the field. He's going to be a vertical
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receiving threat along with the rest of this unit. And
that's the scary thing for me for this Eagles matchup.
He got it literally just picked the Eagles seconds ago
when I sent my email where it's just the Broncos
have had these spots where it's almost like when do
those almost start to hit?
Speaker 4 (05:27):
And how good can this team be?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I guess an Eagles team, Like we talked about Greg,
you know, the sky is falling, but here in this situation,
the Broncos may be able to put a little pressure
on the sky in this.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
One right well, they like, can the Eagles create pressure
on Bonix? Because I don't really put much in the
last week At this point, I think you can downgrade
essentially any performance against this Bengals defense. And he was
the worst quarterback in the league by the numbers against
pressure in the first three weeks of the season. But
the Eagles aren't really creating a lot of pressure right now.
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Jayly Sun has struggled for them, likesh U has given
them a little bit, but they missed Nolan Smith. And
for all the talk about the offense, and we will
talk about AJ Brown's, you know, displeasure with the offense.
Like the defense has been just fine this year. It's
I think twelfth in Dvoa. Like it hasn't been at
the level that it's been a year ago, and it's
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a great matchup of coaches between Vic Fanjo and Sean Payton.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
It's a Vic Fangio revenge game.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
These two have come up against each others plenty of
times over the years. But look, it was Vic that
helped take Patrick Surtan and it was one of the
more shocking picks of that draft. Everyone thought they would
take Justin Fields, everyone thought they would take Mac Jones,
and they took Patrick Surtan. And they later that draft
they took Quinn Miners in the third round. He's an
All Pro. They took Jonathan Cooper, who might be one
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of the best seventh round picks of this decade.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
So like Vic's.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Fingerprints are on this Broncos team, even though it seems
so long ago in football years. I love that matchup
when when Sean Payton has the ball because I don't
think they will get a lot of pressure on both.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
No and you can tell how out of his comfort
zone Vic Fangio is with their pressure that they are
deploying because he's blitzing more than he ever has.
Speaker 7 (07:09):
I mean, you got to really be.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
In dire straits for Vic for to get him to
go outside of what he really wants to do, which
is to rush for and cover a lot more behind.
Like I it's interesting to me watching kind of like
the old dog within the new tricks.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
A little bit.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
So this is gonna be a little bit different version
of Vic Fangio than the Broncos are used to seeing.
Speaker 7 (07:31):
That's a cool point.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
About uh, Pat certain too, and just sort of a
reminder of how quickly these these various like coaches timelines
change and intersect with each other and the really great players.
Speaker 7 (07:43):
Who continue on.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
And this is gonna be fun because it's I mean,
this is a better game for the Eagles to run
against the Broncos, even though the Eagles are what not
rush not running super well and they're only getting one
point three yards before contact per rush, which is nineteen
in the NFL, so they're not blocking it up well
either overall. But so you want to run the ball.
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But I selfishly would really like to see DeVante Smith
and aj Brown and Jalen Hurts throwing it around the yard,
testing Pat Certain and Riley Moss who they win at
so often early on, Jake Browning for whatever reason, throwing
the ball, dropping back, throwing the ball the hell down
the field, shot plays so often, and they tested at
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least that corner. Right now, You've got two receivers and
one of them really wants the ball very badly.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Yeah, I think you're going to see Philly, but not
on the sideline like we see AJ Brown. I think
you got to test the middle of the field against
the Broncos if they want to have some success.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, their offensive line has struggled this year. They are
twenty second in the league in terms of run block
win rate, twenty fifth and pass block winn. I think
that's when it's been the biggest difference in this Broncos defense.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Will test them and maybe make Aj Yeah even more angry.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
They've got thirty two quick quarterback pressures this year, do
the Denver Broncos. But that's behind the number one team
thirty nine quick quarterback pressures from Todd Bowles's Tampa Bay Buccaneer.
So at the very least the Eagles have seen pressure.
I don't want to say too much otherwise Nick Benito
is going to be, you know, popping on posting clips.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
From the podcast.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
We appreciate you, Nick, thanks for consuming all Greg Rosenthal content,
which which is why we know Nick Benito knows ball
because he, you know, consumes Greg Rosenthal's tweets.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I needed more of that.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Daniel Jeremiah broke that news to me that that had
was existing. I was curious why there were so many mentions.
I mean, Nick Benito, he went from like the second
best defensive player of the year and he might be
better this year, so all the respect him that That
was supposed to be a love letter to the Vikings defense.
But little did I know, every defense looks like the
best defense in the world.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Again, Jack Brewning, it's over, Jake, It's over with the
Bengals offense. Come on, that's just Jake. Speaking of the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
They are on the road after suffering their first loss
of the season, all the way in c against Sam
Darnold and the Seahawks, who were at home favored by three.
The over under forty four and a half. God Kevin
Harlan is on the call, t Green, Melanie Collins there
for this matchup, and Greg. The Seahawks have oddly enough
had trouble at home with Mike Matt Do they get
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it done against Baker and Bowls in the game.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yes, this will be my pick. The Seahawks to win
this game. I'm circling it for my picks with Cynthia
against the spread. It's a little crazy to me that
they're only three point favorites because I don't want to
go like put it back to a decade ago. But
I don't know if you guys remember the greatest dynasty
of the twenty ten's was not the New England Patriots.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
It was the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Remember winning the year end DVOA Championship. I believe four
straight years at least three they were the year end
number one, and now here they are back at number one.
Like if you if you look at these two teams
throughout this season, I would say the Seahawks have been
one of the best teams in the NFL and the
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Bucks have been average and done a really good job
being resourceful despite injuries and have been more of a
two and two team. So at home with Darnold and
having like the longer rest, that's an advantage for them
too in this game, like it kind of should be
a mismatch.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Maybe that's disrespectful for the Bucks.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Yeah, yeah, let's disrespect for the Bucks, because the Bucks
do have something that Seattle's looking for and that's going
into every game knowing that they're gonna win.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Right the Bucks, Now have you have that?
Speaker 5 (11:35):
I hate the worst swagger, but they've got that attitude
like you have to beat us, and I think that
counts for something. I think that's why Baker is so
good in clutch situations, and I think that's why they're
you know, their players show up in the big moments.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
But I do like Seattles game.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
I like the way Seattle is running the football, like
regardless of what defense they're playing. They've got a nice
combination running backs. I think Charbon is going to be
available for this game as well to goth Walker, so
their offensive line is coming together. This Clint Kubiak stuff
is starting to take hold, so we'll see. This is
gonna be a really good game. I do like that
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three number. I don't think Seattle's you know, the points
are pretty tall here too, so with these defenses, so
this is gonna.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Be a really good game.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
I like the Seahawks, but again, I think Tampa's got there.
One of these teams who on three or four teams
that expect to win every time they touch the field.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
The Seahawks run game, to me, is an interesting case
study in patients this year, for the entire coaching staff
and for the players also, and start top to bottom.
I'm not talking even about the head coaches, but all
of the various assistants from you know, in every corner
of that building, because they're not really efficient running the
ball just yet. They're twenty first and rushing success rate,
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and they're only getting three point six yards per carry,
and they're not blocking it the way that they necessarily
want to just yet either, because their number twentieth in
yards before contact per rush.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
However, we could go and watch it, and I know
that's what you refer to.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
When you go and watch it, you see the theory
behind what they are trying to do. And I am reminded,
And sorry, Seahawks hand, I know you're gonna be annoyed
by me saying this, but I am reminded by those
early twenty twenty three Los Angeles Rams games when they
changed their running game and they went into more of
a gap and duo heavy team, and it was super
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inefficient for the first few weeks of the season, and
then by week six, Week seven, week eight, it blew open.
And now remains as one of them. And I think
that's what the Seahawks have here. I really do think that.
And obviously it's a different scheme. They run a lot
of zone and all of that. They try to they're
trying to hit the perimeter a little bit more because
that's what Kubiak likes to do. But at the same time,
I can see it. I can see that the theory
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is there. I don't know that this is the week
that it all comes together, because Tampa Bay is one
of the best run defenses in the entire NFL. But
I love that they're staying patient with this, with this
theory and this blueprint of what they're going to do,
because I have no doubt they're going to be one
of the best running teams come December.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
But they hit when sometimes they have to hit, they
hit right, and that's when you say you could see it,
and that's that's what I see. Like, Okay, if it's
third and four, they might they're gonna hit a thirteen
to fourteen yard or again.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
It's gonna be a tough defense.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
But I like, I like some of the things that
Seattle's doing At Jackson Smith and Jigba, we thought oh,
he's the only guy they had.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Well, he's doing work. He's doing work in the basket game.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Yeah, and there's familiarity there because Clint Kubiak. I think
the thing that people remember about one of those Bucks
Saints games from last year is like Sean Tucker and
Bucky Irving, Rashad White all going off right, and it
was fifty one I think to twenty seven. But the
Saints they turned the ball over two times in that game,
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They had three fumbles. They got a couple of them back,
but there were signs that despite this shell of a
team that Dennis Allen kind of facilitated, that there was
something there. And we remember how it started, and I
know folks are pointing to it's like, oh, that's the
same coordinator. That this is not the same situation for
Clint Kobiak in twenty twenty five. This is a fundamentally
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different situation, fundamental to the different head coach and defense
on the other side, where there's a lot to believe in.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
The Bucks are just so hurt. Yeah at this.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Point, ye to see Bucky Irving in a boot like
saw crutches this week at some point, like, kudos to
them for overcoming all that they have to beat three
of one at this point. But this is this is
a lot to ask to fly to Seattle and do
this with this team.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Being this hurt.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
Speaking of overcoming something, Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold trauma bonding.
Baker Mayfield. One of my favorite bits of sound. Their buddies.
They've remained buddies. They both overcame their time in Carolina.
Apparently if you Baker Mayfield talk about it. And Baker
Mayfield had maybe my favorite dry quote of the entire week.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
You guys, reminisce about the good old days in Carolina.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Reminisce about what days?
Speaker 8 (16:00):
Carolyn?
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Oh, nope, Now we don't.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Trauma bond the best kind of friendship, it's the deepest bond.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
That's brevity. That's brevity making an impact right there. Baker.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
It's crazy, uh that Baker is the one like making
more mental mistakes this year, leading the league by the
way and turnover worthy plays, which I was kind of
shocked to see he has. He has had a lot
of like interceptions dropped and and I know we should
move on from this game soon. But like the other
side of the ball, is why I think the Seahawks
are going to win. Like, yeah, the Seahawks offense is
better and and it's good, and it'll be a good
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matchup against the Bucks defense. And I kind of like
Seattle's offense right now. But the Seahawks I think have
the best defense in the league. And they're going up
against an offensive line with Charlie Heck and Haggard on
the on the right side. And it helped quite a
bit to have Tristan Worf's back. I mean it does
upgrade two positions. He's back there at left tackle and
and and now you have your center back with Graham
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Barton at his actual spot. But they're weak there, They're
they're thin, and this is like the wrong team to
go against when you have injuries on offense.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
But we can celebrate another opportunity to discuss a throw
of the Year candidate Baker Mayfield to a Mecca Buka
uh the seeing eyeball, if we want to take a
look back at that to just to submit for something
to for people to think about the.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Field shotguns with the twenty four yard line play.
Speaker 8 (17:24):
Actually, Bake rolling two is right by design, still rolling
polls the ball downfield I gotta receiver.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
But.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Five yard line chuck stop Tampa Bay. No cuarts on
the field and they field close takes it away from Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
I was waiting for that close up of it because
the amount of concentration. You know, as as the creator
of the Amica Boot Club, we all we all are members.
I I the concentration to catch that. The placement of
it was sick. Yeah that was that was super super fun.
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But yeah, Greg, he's taking some risks. He is the
quarterback on the other side of the field, is actually
the one who's number two in adjusted quarterback EPA, and
he is coming in hot and heavy for the island.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
In a couple of weeks, I got some for Patrick
real Quick, who's books oc at Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Well, it was a genius.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
He was a genius and Grizzard is lucky that Chip
has paved the road to show us that that Obcca
Buka can be very successful playing football.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
There you go, thank him. I'm so glad he invented
football in the mid two thousands. Great opportunity.
Speaker 7 (18:46):
Make sure you catch the other show.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yes, I do love to be some Sam Donald the
way he's playing right now. But I mean this that's
a drop.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
That's a drop. Eric. I think I think he's playing now.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
They're protecteing him a little bit in terms of like
there's not a lot of attempts per game. But he's
not a play action play action merchant at all. If anything,
their play action game has been bad. Like he's been
better when they're not running play action. And the offensive
line is just average, which is an upgrade from what
Gino got to be fair, but like it's just average.
Darnold's kind of making plays on his own.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
The Gino comforting bike Ray is so special.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I now, Well, it's true.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
All you ever wanted was an average offensive line. They're average.
They're just like fine, that's like, okay, that's good.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Let's get to the next game.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
The New York Giants, led by Jackson Dart, will have
his first opportunity to start on the road. He's gonna
have to do it in the five h four against
the defeated generally New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
But they've been in every single game and they're a
favorite at home by two and a half points. The
over under is forty and a half.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Andrew cattle On, Charles Davis, Jase mccordy and aj Ross
on the call. Is this the one Jordan that the
Saints win their first game in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
I think they could. I really think they could. And
but you know what, here's the thing.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
This is the game featuring quarterbacks with maybe an irrational
level of dip on their chip. Honestly, like they make
a couple of plays that just have no regard for
their own lives or anyone else around them, and they
will continue to do so through the game. That both
quarterbacks on the move is going to be a factor here.
I really would like I don't know, Spencer Rattler if
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you listen to this show, but if you do, please
start sliding more. You are going head first after almost
every every you know option play. I just I you know,
I winced every time I saw it last week. This
will be a factor here. And it's interesting because this
is going to be a tough defense and a tough
matchup overall, because both of these teams play really hard,
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and I think people who have not watched the Saints
this year will be surprised by how hard this Saints
team is playing, despite the fact that their their win
loss record does not show it.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Hey man, all I know is Charlie Browns, So I like,
how to kick that football?
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Too? Real?
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Hard to kick that football.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Look, that's why they gotta get They gotta get Spence
to win this week. It is sad for me that
in the eleven games, I think it is that he
started that they have not won yet and he's running
out of time. This is a game for both of
these franchises that like the fan bases are like, oh,
finally we get to win, Like Saints fans are like, oh,
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this is finally the week we get to win because
we're not playing some great team that's a heavy favorite.
And of course the Giants coming off that week against
the Chargers are thinking the same way. And I do
fear for the rat Maan that, like, if they don't
win this, it might be the end of the road,
even though he's played really well, and it would just
I would just be my heart would break a little
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bit for him that he would have to sit back
down without getting to feel what.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
It's like to win a freaking football game. Shouldn't be
there all.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
This nation's coming across that state line to support Jackson
dard Is. They put another l on another Louisiana team
back to back weeks, not just.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Oh not back to back, back to back to back,
the true barrass my two lanes, Green, Wayne shot the
bottom the also receiving votes.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
I just think the Giants defensive front, oh it's sex.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
I just think this is one. Spencer Rattler, Alan Kamara
do your thing. But I think the Giants defense is
going to be too good in this one. You know,
we could talk about these quarterbacks and this and that.
This is one to me is playing as simple. The
Giants defense is going to make play.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Well and the Saints defense won't be good because like
the Brandon Staley sons I was trying to throw out
there when we went to camp down there, it's not
happening like that.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I don't know. I think they've underperformed there.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
You know, their defense provides very little resistance on average.
They've had a tough schedule, but they just don't have
a pass rush and he doesn't seem to have answers well.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
And look, you've got dudes wh've been there for a
long time, and Brandy comes in and he overloads and
those dudes are like, yo, man, we had great defenses
here for years before you came in here with a
whole lot of the stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
You're trying to let us do what we do. And
that's why it hasn't translated. But the Giants d they
are the front gets after the front absolutely does.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
The front gets after it, and we can celebrate the
best performance the front of the Giants twenty twenty five season,
Martin Hampton average ten point seven yards of carry.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
That's true. Like whenever he got the ball in space,
he was able to make plays.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Like when Herbert was able to get the ball in
the air to Quentin Johnston, he caught a ball between
two defenders and scored a touchdown. This Giants team continues
to allow players to hit home runs against them, and
that's that's the Saints bread and butter. Like you get
Rashid shah head on a couple where it's like, how
confident are we really considering what we've seen the Saints
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team be up against this far in the season, Like
that Jackson Dart is going to go in there to
New Orleans and be dancing in the end zone, like
running these RPOs.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
And having all the success they had against the Chargers.
I think they just got the Chargers in a bad spot.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
And I have to tell you this guy. You know
there are the Saints if you go and you watch
them from snap to snap too, there are players everywhere
on that team that are emerging and they're they're making
plays like Kendrey Miller twelve forced miss tackles over the
first few games. I'm willing to bet most of them
came last week against the Bill's defense. Nobody could bring
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him down, nobody could touch him, and getting him used
in a lot of different ways, putting him in space,
getting him on these yards after catch, like quick outlet throws,
having him run the ball like this, he might have something.
And so I think that that becomes a layer here,
especially if you're trying to protect Spencer Ratler from Abdul Carter,
who's playing everywhere outside linebacker. He's playing a little inside linebacker.
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He's blitzing as a as a like creeping defender. Eight pressures,
five hits, and that was just last week. I mean,
it's it's insane to be doing that much, to have
that many roles as a rookie. Now I know everyone's
getting not us because we know ball, but everyone it's
gonna sit there and be.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
Like, oh, he doesn't have a lot of sacks.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
So look at the other look at you, but look
at the pressures, Like look at the he in nineteen
pressures already.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Tibodeau and these guys are actually showing up on the
box score. And that's because they have somebody else distracting,
you know, the attention.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, and Dexter Lawrence, I thought played his best game,
even taking away the interception, Like he's starting to create pressure.
It's a good defense. It's I don't think there's gonna
be a lot of points. I think if you're a
Jackson Dart fan, you just got to be worried, like
this pace is a little unsustainable. He took five sacks.
I think all five were on him, just like holding
the ball too long. It carried the ball twelve He
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carried the ball twelve times if you you know, include
the penalty plays and you know he's got the play
where he's like, you know, pushing down the defender like
in the face.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
But it gets you fired up. But he took some
big hits in that game.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Like if he gets hit seventeen times a game, he
will not be long for the starting lineup. We are
not long for our week. Five preview. We've only got
a few more games and we're going to hit them
after this final break.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Back on NFL Daily.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
And Yes, I arrived in London Monday evening and had
an experience going through the Dublin Airport I never had before.
I was in the middle of the entire Minnesota Vikings
organization going through security, just Jalen Naylor right in front
of me having to get his bags checked like a
normal person.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I guess you can't like.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Escape security overseas like and just fly private and just
skip all that because they're their entire group where we're
doing the same thing as me, buying overpriced uh you
know stuff leprechauns in the gift store, Like right as
we got through.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Wow, man, you're you're you're like nailing some stereotypes. Stare Gray.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I mean, I'm just telling you exactly what was happening.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I literally was in the gift store buying the stuffed
leprechaun and the Minnesota Vikings players were doing the same thing.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
My son wanted one. Sorry, they're gonna sell it, I'm
gonna buy it.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
And that's what we we consume, and we go through
customs and we go with the Vike.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Yeah, and some of us are accustomed to picking teams
that lose every single week, as I did for the
Carolina Panthers last week.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
But this week might be different.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
They are at home taking on the Miami Dolphins, who
are one and a half point favorite. I love the single,
I love the one there at all times. Eric Collins,
Mark Schlaire, Jen Hale on the call. The Dolphins, of course,
lose Tyreek Hill for the remainder of the season. There's
questions about twenty twenty six Greg, which Panthers team makes
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an appearance here in this game on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I think the twenty twenty five Carolina Panthers, which are
they're bad? There was that like one team that showed
up for the Falcons game, and even in that game,
they didn't crack three hundred yards. They had the same
yard it was. It was a little bit of a
fluky game and they won it and they deserve it.
One of these teams, though, Steve, will be two and three.
And even if I wanted to go ahead and power
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rank the teams and put them each in the bottom five,
the reality is one of these teams after this week
will be two and three.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
And I think that's an it's an exciting opportunity.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
If you're the fans of one of these teams or
the quarterbacks of the coach, like, you're gonna feel pretty decent.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
There's some decent teams out there that'll be two and three.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Wait to sell it, Gray, well done. I mean, I
just mean it.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I mean I got opportunity this whole AFC East, NFC
South though, yeah, combination this year, some stinky teams are
going to be winning some games.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
I'm real interested because Miami's defense was still poorest they
would get We saw the Jets just go up and
down the field. I mean, Carolina has got offensively the
potential to move the ball. I don't know if they
can get into the end zone. But getting Darren Waller
back really intrigues me for the Dolphins. No Tyreek Hill.
Jalen Waddles got the speed close to Tyreek Kill, but
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he's not a deep threat the way that they're used.
So the Dolphins don't have the guy who can necessarily
take the top off the defense, but they can paper
cut you all over the place. And I think Darren
Waller from what he showed in a few plays he
played the other day could end up being an option
for what Tua does.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
Well.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
I like Miami to outscore Carolina. There's no defense is
in this game, I mean still Carolina.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Yeah, because Carolina is running the ball okay, and they look,
you know, relatively physical while they're doing it. And while
Miami's defense can rush the passer, I still see no
signs to be able to stop the run. And so
that's where I think Carolina has to try to capitalize
and attack this week. On the other side of it,
I mean, I'm really excited to see if Miami keeps
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looking like Miami offensively, whatever that sad thing was that
was out there earlier this season, Like Tua looked more
confident than I've seen him maybe in years throw And
I loved the game plan. Darren Waller's like renaissance, I
guess if it sustains two touchdowns, And then was on
the hands team for the on side kick recovery when
the Jets were trying to mount a comeback.
Speaker 7 (29:59):
But I I really liked the scheme.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
I liked that they ran the ball and they kept
when they kept running the ball, and he had over
one hundred scrimmage yards, got to ninety nine rushing yards
and wasn't even close to that number in rushing yards
any other point in this season.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
And Tua was looking like all of the little.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
Things he does that makes him a really good quarterback,
where he can execute, he move the launch point, he
can do some of those ball fakes, including one sick
one behind the back, and that was so cool, where
he can change wherever the defense's eyes are going to be,
just with these little movements and these little cadences. And
then what Mike McDaniel got back to doing, which is
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what he was doing when he first started coaching this
team and scheming guys up on this team, was getting
guys free releases off the line of scrimmage, making defenders
play with dirty eyes, as coaches like to say, where
you're flowing one way and then everything else is going
the other way, or the receiver is already blown by
you because you're playing a little too tight, and he
is coming off the line of scrimmage and changing space
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and gaps on you via these motions. And I think
I would actually trust a little bit more the Panthers
run game, which I know has been bad, the Panthers
run defense, which I know has been bad against a
Miami run attack that has been start stopped this entire
year and only just barely is starting again. I would
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trust their secondary less, even without Tyreek Hill. I would
trust their secondary way less to be able to handle
and adjust to all of the things that Mike McDaniel's
going to try to do and two is going to
try to do to.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
Full their eyes.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yeah, after rushing for seventy eight and sixty one yards
in the first two games of the season, and granted
it's up against the Bills and the Jets, whose run
defenses have allowed other teams to go they went for
one thirty one twenty three. I think that was the
difference in the Dolphins offense, especially on Monday Night, where
the misdirections, the fakes being able to have to have
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Tom to throw it behind the back pass and celebrate
cool like the vobs are up because they're moving the
ball there being some sss.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
Well.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
I feel like that's where the confidence comes from.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
And what better opportunity to get confidence in the run
game than playing against the Carolina Panthers if they can
actually commit to it. If you don't exactly get distracted
by the opportunity to take shots down the field and
just have sustained commitment to the run game, where everybody
that's played against the Panthers that's done that has been
able to win going away.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
When it doesn't happen, oh man, they're eating when they
throw the ball to that they might have the worst
like middle of the field.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
Ye ever, And that's and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
It's bad all around.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
Greg is like, I trust no phase of this defense,
but I trust I actually against this particular type of
passing attack. I actually trust the Panthers passing defense less
than I trust their running defense. And I already don't
trust their running defense.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
How the hell did they shut the Falcons out? It's
just their.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Linebacker in Carolina are so bad. The Dolphins offense, I
think everyone just remembers that Week one. They've been fine
this year, and they haven't been good, but they've been fine.
Like they they went up and down on the Patriots,
they did okay against the Bill, like they've been okay.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
They've had a very easy schedule.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
They're kind of getting away with it on the offensive
line because of the matchups, Like they're starting Cole strange. Still,
the former Patriots pick Larry Boram is their right tackle.
Their their rookie second round pick who they took high
has really been struggling. So I'm not really feeling either
of these teams long term, but I'm feeling the Dolphins
on Sunday.
Speaker 7 (33:27):
I hardly know him.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
M Okay, that's a good one.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
I know.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
I do not apologize for that. That was spectacular. We'll
get to.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Coach Callahan's Tennessee Titans also a one and a half
point favorite. No, excuse me, that's it. That's just a
holdover because I was shocked seven and a half point favorites.
I see, yeah, it's the other one point five carried
from fins. But either way, seven and a half point
favorites of the Arizona Cardinals at home against the Tennessee
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titanspirator is that of Marcholetta and.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
The dB Kinkwalla on the call and Coach Callahan.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Before we get to the discussion of it, had an
opportunity to answer some questions because the seat may be
getting hot.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
I want everybody to get a chance to listen.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Do you think this is a resilient and relentless football team?
Speaker 8 (34:20):
I know what you're doing. Air Paul, I know what
you're doing, and I'm not going to answer that to
you right now. Well, I mean, those are the things
that you've tried to twenty.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Some games in it.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
I stop.
Speaker 8 (34:31):
I'm just compose myself here before I say something I regret.
But yes, I think this team is resilient. I think
it is relentless. We haven't played good enough football, and
I think there's two Those are two very distinct different
things we have to execute at a better level with
the coach better.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
And that's really all I can say. Greg. It is October. First,
your thoughts, oh, I.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Have Okay, I have a couple of thoughts.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
First of all, I should have mentioned, like Dave Canalis
was also asked this week whether they would be changing
their staff, whether they would be looking at organizational changes.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
It is not a good sign when that's happening.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
But I especially wanted to point that clip out because
it's something that happens in the tenure of every Titans coach,
and that's the moment where you let everyone know how
much you hate Paul Kuhart.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
There it is, there, it is Mike Raymond.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Many of those moments Mike malarkey Man, he had those moments.
Ken Wizenheut, you might not even remember, was the Titans
coach and had a record I think might have been
worse than Brian Callahan, who's three and eighteen and he
did not last long. I feel bad because I was
like Ken Wizner. Mike Munchak definitely had a couple of
those moments. Jeff Fisher had those moments. So it is
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a rite of passage, and you know, I hope that
Brian Callahan can can get past it because it's it's
always Paul Kaharski on the other line, and they always
say Paul, they always call him by his first name.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
That's my tick.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
Look, it's I'm not mean. I'm not mean. I'll put
it to you this way.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I'm not It's all good, all around.
Speaker 7 (36:09):
Thousands of time I wrote.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
I wrote Paul Kaharski down here and showed it to
Jeorde because it is.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
It is a rite of passage, you know, because Paul
is a tough reporter.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
He's seen a lot of bad football, so he's got
every right, uh to to go and ask these types
of questions. Report the way he reports. Look, I don't
know what the Titans. Necessarily, the goal clearly is to win.
They've got a quarterback and cam Ward who they think
can do it. But what else have they put together?
Like I just kind of want to know what they're
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trying to roster wise, everything, what they're trying to do,
because it's it's just not great. Now, is this a
game that they can possibly go when you don't, Yeah,
they could. I mean, I think Arizona's a better football team,
but they still haven't figured out, like we talked about
Tampa Bay, that when they show up on the field
that they should They're a hot.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
And cold team.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
So maybe Tennessee pulls something off and they get Paul
caw Harsky off the coach's back for a bit.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
I just didn't know.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
I just don't know roster wise, I just don't know
what it is. What's like you talk about looking for
an identity. I think they're like a year away from
being a year away from looking for an identity.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
I think it'll actually be kind of hard for Arizona
to move the ball on this Titans defense, which isn't
like you know, I wouldn't put them. I put them
kind of in the middle, lower third of the NFL,
but they have put together some quality snaps and then
Arizona can't really run the ball anymore because they're already
missing James Connor, and then Trey Benson is out too,
and he might come back later on in the season,
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but that's that's their heart and soul, both guys. I
mean James Connor certainly, and then Trey Benson is is
a pretty quality backup to him as well. And there
are still errors and issues between Kyler Murray and Marvin
Harrison Junior. I know you had the redemption touchdown in
a really couple of really nice plays, but there's also
been a lot of really bad plays between the two.
And this Cardinals offense feels like a team that thinks
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it's supposed to be this one thing because everybody on
the outside is telling them they have to be the
wide receiver one and then everybody else's team.
Speaker 7 (38:12):
But really what it is is get the ball to Tray.
Speaker 6 (38:14):
McBride and then burn people down the field with whoever
else from time to time so that the defense respects
the middle of the field. That's what they are and
they should just go to do that. So I think
that that's where Arizona is having issues. My major takeaway
though from all of this and listening to some of
the quotes out of the press conferences from Tennessee over
the last several days, is what I really wish someone
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would have done is ask Brian Callahan do you agree
that we ask?
Speaker 4 (38:45):
I think he would agree with me.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I mean that would be a more ass that would
be a more constructive question, because like to make to
do the callback thing, like, yeah, I do understand what
Brian Callan is saying.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
There, I see what you're trying to do.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
But it's like, what we learning from this other than
we're having this itchy interaction right now between you and me?
What's what's the value when you know a lot of
people work very hard to get in that room and
you've been there for a while. But that doesn't justify
wasting everybody's time. Although we did spend we did spend
time on it today on our show, so perhaps that's
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that's a lesson for me. But cam war has been
pressured on his dropbacks, that's nuts. But now he's going
up against the team with the tenth lowest sack rate
in the league in the Arizona Cardinals, and the way
that the second half started on Thursday with Sweat coming
off the edge and getting pressure on Sam Darnold, and
it's like, yeah, that's it. But they haven't been able
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to consistently do that while Cam has been consistently under
siege in his first season. Was first few games in
his first season, and like we get the you know,
the honesty from him at the podium and hopefully things
get better.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
There's a reason why teams have the first overall pick.
Choose you because they're terrible.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
I just want them to, Like Steve, I feel like
they could they could get sparks for for like one game.
Could they just win one game?
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Like this is one of those games, because if the
Cardinals win this game, they might not play that well
and they would be like a very underwhelming three and two.
I think this could be one game that they could
do it because you mentioned like missing the running backs,
and the Cardinals are thirty first and success rate with
those running backs. I think for all the Harrison stuff,
like everything that's wrong with this team starts there, Like
they just don't make sense if they're that bad of
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a running titan.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Really throwing it short. Yeah, they missed Clayton Adams.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I just would like to see these guys the Titans
get get one win, get everyone off the Schneid, get
Spencer Ratler a win, Get you guys home from the
studio in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
That was it for our week five preview. We've already
made it two Week five.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
We will be back in this feed and not too
long with the Thursday night recaps. Guys night on Thursday
Night Football, it's Patrick claybo Oh, that's never happened.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
It's uh yeah, it's a good quint. Just someone I
just I just melt like dude, dudes with muscles. That
doesn't usually happens. The Cardinals, that doesn't happen either. It's
Rams and Niners. We'll see you then
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're sick of coming up
with funny starts to the show. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm here,
I'm in London, and we're gonna go through the NFC
games like the AFC in like many weeks, it's in Valles.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Fewer games this.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Week on the NFC, but maybe the game of the
week does have an NFC home game.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yeah, a couple of teams that won last week, The
Denver Broncos at the Philadelphia Eagles were unbeaten, but you
wouldn't know about listening to the teams covered. They are
favored about three and a half. The over under Steve
was forty three and a half points. Jim Nantz, Tony Rolo,
Tracy Wolfson. It is the CBS one and they get
to see a team that can beat anybody, a team
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that's really good.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
I'm talking about both of them there, but one of them.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
It's like the sky is falling and they win every game.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
O sky's falling a Philly Oh that's never happened. Wonderful fans,
wonderful media media base. But this guy's not always fun.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Look.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
I like the way Philadelphia is playing playing light champions
but Denvers.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
You start seeing them starting to ascend.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
And watching bon Nicks, and you know, I'm a big
BONICKX guy. The confidence he is starting to play with
he's got just ain't going with Courtland Sutton. I like
the way they run the ball, and I think bon
Nicks is a part of it. I think they're gonna
find some cracks in this Eagles defense. This is this
is a really good game. There's three and a half number.
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I like the number of Phillies getting three and a half,
but I think Denver's I think Denver's got some hot sauce.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
For him here.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
I like the way that they have only just recently
started running the ball against that Cincinnati Fingals.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
But I mean this is this is Sean Payton.
Speaker 7 (01:51):
Yes, this is exactly it.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
It's basically like you might as well just giving him
a blank field to play on, and he's going to
show you exactly what he wants to do.
Speaker 7 (01:59):
And started out kind of rough that first quarter.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
Made a couple of bad decisions, one a misthrow to
Evan Ingram like goll of it too late, another one
a bad interception, but then picked up a touchdown with
his legs, which I think will be a factor in
this game because it adds dimension to their run game.
Steve and I also think that his connection with Courtland
Sutton is really starting to like re emerge.
Speaker 7 (02:23):
We saw it last year obviously, but he hit.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Him on this really really nice touchdown throw. And the
problem for bo Nix and Courtland Sutton is that they
are going to be facing quin Yon Mitchell, who was
a real defensive player of the Week last week against
Tampa Bay. Hit a couple of different assignments, but shadowed
Emica Abuka for twenty two of Aguka's routes. According to
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next Gen Stats, was targeted six times, allowed only two
catches for six yards. Was targeted nine total times by
Baker Mayfield gave up no additional catches he played, including
a great pass breakup to our getting Chris Godwin.
Speaker 7 (03:01):
I mean, he is.
Speaker 6 (03:02):
Playing lights out incredible defense. Cooper dejen is a great
partner for him in that defensive backfield. They just they
understand each other's spacing, They understand where each other is
at all times, they move around, they change assignments.
Speaker 7 (03:16):
It's a really cool thing to watch.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
And I think that becomes kind of a nightmare for
Bonix because he's targeting one receiver very often, going to
tight end a little bit too.
Speaker 7 (03:26):
But Courtland sentence, his guy, guess what Sean Payton's gonna do.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
I'm gonna throw the ball out of the backfield and
he's gonna motion the hell out of the Eagles his
personal packages. Hopefully he uses the Koli package. This is
something he hasn't broken up, and the Coolie package. Dedication
Archie Cooley, Missipi Valley State. They rans for Jerry Rice.
It's not just a three by one. Three receivers by
one on the opposite side. You're stacking them almost in
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a triple I one two three, one right behind the
other behind the other. Sean Payton used it again, hits.
His tribute is homage to Archie Cooley, the he Misissippi
Valley State coach.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
He's going to break that out.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
There's a quick route, there's a deep route, there's another
route off of it. This is how you stop at
Quinnon Mitchell. You forced men a tackle in open space,
which Quinyon Mitchell does. But he's gonna scheme them, personnel them,
package them as best he can to avoid a great
defensive player.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
The way the circumstance worked out last week for the Eagles.
With the Bucks having the injuries that they did, they
were able to deploy quinnyon in a sense where you
knew that it had to be Abuka right for the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers. But the Broncos come in and while
Sudden gets the vast majority of the targets and the opportunity.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
They can spread the ball around a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And they haven't had a game where they all put
it together, like when bo Nicks was on against the Bengals,
like as the game went on, Tony Franklin had excuse me,
Detroit Franklin.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Had the drug right.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
And then you get to points where Evan Ingram is,
there's still like some inconsistency. They haven't quite figured out
how to make that matchup work within this offense and
have him get down the field. And have been running
these go balls that we discussed all off season, and
John Bayden was saying, you know, we're gonna get Evan
Ingram down the field. He's going to be a vertical
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receiving threat along with the rest of this unit. And
that's the scary thing for me for this Eagles matchup.
He got it literally just picked the Eagles seconds ago
when I sent my email where it's just the Broncos
have had these spots where it's almost like when do
those almost start to hit?
Speaker 4 (05:27):
And how good can this team be?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I guess an Eagles team, Like we talked about Greg,
you know, the sky is falling, but here in this situation,
the Broncos may be able to put a little pressure
on the sky in this.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
One right well, they like, can the Eagles create pressure
on Bonix? Because I don't really put much in the
last week At this point, I think you can downgrade
essentially any performance against this Bengals defense. And he was
the worst quarterback in the league by the numbers against
pressure in the first three weeks of the season. But
the Eagles aren't really creating a lot of pressure right now.
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Jayly Sun has struggled for them, likesh U has given
them a little bit, but they missed Nolan Smith. And
for all the talk about the offense, and we will
talk about AJ Brown's, you know, displeasure with the offense.
Like the defense has been just fine this year. It's
I think twelfth in Dvoa. Like it hasn't been at
the level that it's been a year ago, and it's
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a great matchup of coaches between Vic Fanjo and Sean Payton.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
It's a Vic Fangio revenge game.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
These two have come up against each others plenty of
times over the years. But look, it was Vic that
helped take Patrick Surtan and it was one of the
more shocking picks of that draft. Everyone thought they would
take Justin Fields, everyone thought they would take Mac Jones,
and they took Patrick Surtan. And they later that draft
they took Quinn Miners in the third round. He's an
All Pro. They took Jonathan Cooper, who might be one
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of the best seventh round picks of this decade.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
So like Vic's.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Fingerprints are on this Broncos team, even though it seems
so long ago in football years. I love that matchup
when when Sean Payton has the ball because I don't
think they will get a lot of pressure on both.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
No and you can tell how out of his comfort
zone Vic Fangio is with their pressure that they are
deploying because he's blitzing more than he ever has.
Speaker 7 (07:09):
I mean, you got to really be.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
In dire straits for Vic for to get him to
go outside of what he really wants to do, which
is to rush for and cover a lot more behind.
Like I it's interesting to me watching kind of like
the old dog within the new tricks.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
A little bit.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
So this is gonna be a little bit different version
of Vic Fangio than the Broncos are used to seeing.
Speaker 7 (07:31):
That's a cool point.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
About uh, Pat certain too, and just sort of a
reminder of how quickly these these various like coaches timelines
change and intersect with each other and the really great players.
Speaker 7 (07:43):
Who continue on.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
And this is gonna be fun because it's I mean,
this is a better game for the Eagles to run
against the Broncos, even though the Eagles are what not
rush not running super well and they're only getting one
point three yards before contact per rush, which is nineteen
in the NFL, so they're not blocking it up well
either overall. But so you want to run the ball.
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But I selfishly would really like to see DeVante Smith
and aj Brown and Jalen Hurts throwing it around the yard,
testing Pat Certain and Riley Moss who they win at
so often early on, Jake Browning for whatever reason, throwing
the ball, dropping back, throwing the ball the hell down
the field, shot plays so often, and they tested at
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least that corner. Right now, You've got two receivers and
one of them really wants the ball very badly.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Yeah, I think you're going to see Philly, but not
on the sideline like we see AJ Brown. I think
you got to test the middle of the field against
the Broncos if they want to have some success.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, their offensive line has struggled this year. They are
twenty second in the league in terms of run block
win rate, twenty fifth and pass block winn. I think
that's when it's been the biggest difference in this Broncos defense.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Will test them and maybe make Aj Yeah even more angry.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
They've got thirty two quick quarterback pressures this year, do
the Denver Broncos. But that's behind the number one team
thirty nine quick quarterback pressures from Todd Bowles's Tampa Bay Buccaneer.
So at the very least the Eagles have seen pressure.
I don't want to say too much otherwise Nick Benito
is going to be, you know, popping on posting clips.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
From the podcast.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
We appreciate you, Nick, thanks for consuming all Greg Rosenthal content,
which which is why we know Nick Benito knows ball
because he, you know, consumes Greg Rosenthal's tweets.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I needed more of that.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Daniel Jeremiah broke that news to me that that had
was existing. I was curious why there were so many mentions.
I mean, Nick Benito, he went from like the second
best defensive player of the year and he might be
better this year, so all the respect him that That
was supposed to be a love letter to the Vikings defense.
But little did I know, every defense looks like the
best defense in the world.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Again, Jack Brewning, it's over, Jake, It's over with the
Bengals offense. Come on, that's just Jake. Speaking of the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
They are on the road after suffering their first loss
of the season, all the way in c against Sam
Darnold and the Seahawks, who were at home favored by three.
The over under forty four and a half. God Kevin
Harlan is on the call, t Green, Melanie Collins there
for this matchup, and Greg. The Seahawks have oddly enough
had trouble at home with Mike Matt Do they get
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it done against Baker and Bowls in the game.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yes, this will be my pick. The Seahawks to win
this game. I'm circling it for my picks with Cynthia
against the spread. It's a little crazy to me that
they're only three point favorites because I don't want to
go like put it back to a decade ago. But
I don't know if you guys remember the greatest dynasty
of the twenty ten's was not the New England Patriots.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
It was the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Remember winning the year end DVOA Championship. I believe four
straight years at least three they were the year end
number one, and now here they are back at number one.
Like if you if you look at these two teams
throughout this season, I would say the Seahawks have been
one of the best teams in the NFL and the
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Bucks have been average and done a really good job
being resourceful despite injuries and have been more of a
two and two team. So at home with Darnold and
having like the longer rest, that's an advantage for them
too in this game, like it kind of should be
a mismatch.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Maybe that's disrespectful for the Bucks.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Yeah, yeah, let's disrespect for the Bucks, because the Bucks
do have something that Seattle's looking for and that's going
into every game knowing that they're gonna win.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Right the Bucks, Now have you have that?
Speaker 5 (11:35):
I hate the worst swagger, but they've got that attitude
like you have to beat us, and I think that
counts for something. I think that's why Baker is so
good in clutch situations, and I think that's why they're
you know, their players show up in the big moments.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
But I do like Seattles game.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
I like the way Seattle is running the football, like
regardless of what defense they're playing. They've got a nice
combination running backs. I think Charbon is going to be
available for this game as well to goth Walker, so
their offensive line is coming together. This Clint Kubiak stuff
is starting to take hold, so we'll see. This is
gonna be a really good game. I do like that
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three number. I don't think Seattle's you know, the points
are pretty tall here too, so with these defenses, so
this is gonna.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Be a really good game.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
I like the Seahawks, but again, I think Tampa's got there.
One of these teams who on three or four teams
that expect to win every time they touch the field.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
The Seahawks run game, to me, is an interesting case
study in patients this year, for the entire coaching staff
and for the players also, and start top to bottom.
I'm not talking even about the head coaches, but all
of the various assistants from you know, in every corner
of that building, because they're not really efficient running the
ball just yet. They're twenty first and rushing success rate,
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and they're only getting three point six yards per carry,
and they're not blocking it the way that they necessarily
want to just yet either, because their number twentieth in
yards before contact per rush.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
However, we could go and watch it, and I know
that's what you refer to.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
When you go and watch it, you see the theory
behind what they are trying to do. And I am reminded,
And sorry, Seahawks hand, I know you're gonna be annoyed
by me saying this, but I am reminded by those
early twenty twenty three Los Angeles Rams games when they
changed their running game and they went into more of
a gap and duo heavy team, and it was super
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inefficient for the first few weeks of the season, and
then by week six, Week seven, week eight, it blew open.
And now remains as one of them. And I think
that's what the Seahawks have here. I really do think that.
And obviously it's a different scheme. They run a lot
of zone and all of that. They try to they're
trying to hit the perimeter a little bit more because
that's what Kubiak likes to do. But at the same time,
I can see it. I can see that the theory
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is there. I don't know that this is the week
that it all comes together, because Tampa Bay is one
of the best run defenses in the entire NFL. But
I love that they're staying patient with this, with this
theory and this blueprint of what they're going to do,
because I have no doubt they're going to be one
of the best running teams come December.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
But they hit when sometimes they have to hit, they
hit right, and that's when you say you could see it,
and that's that's what I see. Like, Okay, if it's
third and four, they might they're gonna hit a thirteen
to fourteen yard or again.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
It's gonna be a tough defense.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
But I like, I like some of the things that
Seattle's doing At Jackson Smith and Jigba, we thought oh,
he's the only guy they had.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Well, he's doing work. He's doing work in the basket game.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Yeah, and there's familiarity there because Clint Kubiak. I think
the thing that people remember about one of those Bucks
Saints games from last year is like Sean Tucker and
Bucky Irving, Rashad White all going off right, and it
was fifty one I think to twenty seven. But the
Saints they turned the ball over two times in that game,
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They had three fumbles. They got a couple of them back,
but there were signs that despite this shell of a
team that Dennis Allen kind of facilitated, that there was
something there. And we remember how it started, and I
know folks are pointing to it's like, oh, that's the
same coordinator. That this is not the same situation for
Clint Kobiak in twenty twenty five. This is a fundamentally
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different situation, fundamental to the different head coach and defense
on the other side, where there's a lot to believe in.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
The Bucks are just so hurt. Yeah at this.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Point, ye to see Bucky Irving in a boot like
saw crutches this week at some point, like, kudos to
them for overcoming all that they have to beat three
of one at this point. But this is this is
a lot to ask to fly to Seattle and do
this with this team.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Being this hurt.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
Speaking of overcoming something, Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold trauma bonding.
Baker Mayfield. One of my favorite bits of sound. Their buddies.
They've remained buddies. They both overcame their time in Carolina.
Apparently if you Baker Mayfield talk about it. And Baker
Mayfield had maybe my favorite dry quote of the entire week.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
You guys, reminisce about the good old days in Carolina.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Reminisce about what days?
Speaker 8 (16:00):
Carolyn?
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Oh, nope, Now we don't.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Trauma bond the best kind of friendship, it's the deepest bond.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
That's brevity. That's brevity making an impact right there. Baker.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
It's crazy, uh that Baker is the one like making
more mental mistakes this year, leading the league by the
way and turnover worthy plays, which I was kind of
shocked to see he has. He has had a lot
of like interceptions dropped and and I know we should
move on from this game soon. But like the other
side of the ball, is why I think the Seahawks
are going to win. Like, yeah, the Seahawks offense is
better and and it's good, and it'll be a good
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matchup against the Bucks defense. And I kind of like
Seattle's offense right now. But the Seahawks I think have
the best defense in the league. And they're going up
against an offensive line with Charlie Heck and Haggard on
the on the right side. And it helped quite a
bit to have Tristan Worf's back. I mean it does
upgrade two positions. He's back there at left tackle and
and and now you have your center back with Graham
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Barton at his actual spot. But they're weak there, They're
they're thin, and this is like the wrong team to
go against when you have injuries on offense.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
But we can celebrate another opportunity to discuss a throw
of the Year candidate Baker Mayfield to a Mecca Buka
uh the seeing eyeball, if we want to take a
look back at that to just to submit for something
to for people to think about the.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Field shotguns with the twenty four yard line play.
Speaker 8 (17:24):
Actually, Bake rolling two is right by design, still rolling
polls the ball downfield I gotta receiver.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
But.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Five yard line chuck stop Tampa Bay. No cuarts on
the field and they field close takes it away from Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
I was waiting for that close up of it because
the amount of concentration. You know, as as the creator
of the Amica Boot Club, we all we all are members.
I I the concentration to catch that. The placement of
it was sick. Yeah that was that was super super fun.
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But yeah, Greg, he's taking some risks. He is the
quarterback on the other side of the field, is actually
the one who's number two in adjusted quarterback EPA, and
he is coming in hot and heavy for the island.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
In a couple of weeks, I got some for Patrick
real Quick, who's books oc at Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Well, it was a genius.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
He was a genius and Grizzard is lucky that Chip
has paved the road to show us that that Obcca
Buka can be very successful playing football.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
There you go, thank him. I'm so glad he invented
football in the mid two thousands. Great opportunity.
Speaker 7 (18:46):
Make sure you catch the other show.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yes, I do love to be some Sam Donald the
way he's playing right now. But I mean this that's
a drop.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
That's a drop. Eric. I think I think he's playing now.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
They're protecteing him a little bit in terms of like
there's not a lot of attempts per game. But he's
not a play action play action merchant at all. If anything,
their play action game has been bad. Like he's been
better when they're not running play action. And the offensive
line is just average, which is an upgrade from what
Gino got to be fair, but like it's just average.
Darnold's kind of making plays on his own.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
The Gino comforting bike Ray is so special.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I now, Well, it's true.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
All you ever wanted was an average offensive line. They're average.
They're just like fine, that's like, okay, that's good.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Let's get to the next game.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
The New York Giants, led by Jackson Dart, will have
his first opportunity to start on the road. He's gonna
have to do it in the five h four against
the defeated generally New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
But they've been in every single game and they're a
favorite at home by two and a half points. The
over under is forty and a half.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Andrew cattle On, Charles Davis, Jase mccordy and aj Ross
on the call. Is this the one Jordan that the
Saints win their first game in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
I think they could. I really think they could. And
but you know what, here's the thing.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
This is the game featuring quarterbacks with maybe an irrational
level of dip on their chip. Honestly, like they make
a couple of plays that just have no regard for
their own lives or anyone else around them, and they
will continue to do so through the game. That both
quarterbacks on the move is going to be a factor here.
I really would like I don't know, Spencer Rattler if
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you listen to this show, but if you do, please
start sliding more. You are going head first after almost
every every you know option play. I just I you know,
I winced every time I saw it last week. This
will be a factor here. And it's interesting because this
is going to be a tough defense and a tough
matchup overall, because both of these teams play really hard,
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and I think people who have not watched the Saints
this year will be surprised by how hard this Saints
team is playing, despite the fact that their their win
loss record does not show it.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Hey man, all I know is Charlie Browns, So I like,
how to kick that football?
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Too? Real?
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Hard to kick that football.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Look, that's why they gotta get They gotta get Spence
to win this week. It is sad for me that
in the eleven games, I think it is that he
started that they have not won yet and he's running
out of time. This is a game for both of
these franchises that like the fan bases are like, oh,
finally we get to win, Like Saints fans are like, oh,
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this is finally the week we get to win because
we're not playing some great team that's a heavy favorite.
And of course the Giants coming off that week against
the Chargers are thinking the same way. And I do
fear for the rat Maan that, like, if they don't
win this, it might be the end of the road,
even though he's played really well, and it would just
I would just be my heart would break a little
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bit for him that he would have to sit back
down without getting to feel what.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
It's like to win a freaking football game. Shouldn't be
there all.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
This nation's coming across that state line to support Jackson
dard Is. They put another l on another Louisiana team
back to back weeks, not just.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Oh not back to back, back to back to back,
the true barrass my two lanes, Green, Wayne shot the
bottom the also receiving votes.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
I just think the Giants defensive front, oh it's sex.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
I just think this is one. Spencer Rattler, Alan Kamara
do your thing. But I think the Giants defense is
going to be too good in this one. You know,
we could talk about these quarterbacks and this and that.
This is one to me is playing as simple. The
Giants defense is going to make play.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Well and the Saints defense won't be good because like
the Brandon Staley sons I was trying to throw out
there when we went to camp down there, it's not
happening like that.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I don't know. I think they've underperformed there.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
You know, their defense provides very little resistance on average.
They've had a tough schedule, but they just don't have
a pass rush and he doesn't seem to have answers well.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
And look, you've got dudes wh've been there for a
long time, and Brandy comes in and he overloads and
those dudes are like, yo, man, we had great defenses
here for years before you came in here with a
whole lot of the stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
You're trying to let us do what we do. And
that's why it hasn't translated. But the Giants d they
are the front gets after the front absolutely does.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
The front gets after it, and we can celebrate the
best performance the front of the Giants twenty twenty five season,
Martin Hampton average ten point seven yards of carry.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
That's true. Like whenever he got the ball in space,
he was able to make plays.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Like when Herbert was able to get the ball in
the air to Quentin Johnston, he caught a ball between
two defenders and scored a touchdown. This Giants team continues
to allow players to hit home runs against them, and
that's that's the Saints bread and butter. Like you get
Rashid shah head on a couple where it's like, how
confident are we really considering what we've seen the Saints
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team be up against this far in the season, Like
that Jackson Dart is going to go in there to
New Orleans and be dancing in the end zone, like
running these RPOs.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
And having all the success they had against the Chargers.
I think they just got the Chargers in a bad spot.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
And I have to tell you this guy. You know
there are the Saints if you go and you watch
them from snap to snap too, there are players everywhere
on that team that are emerging and they're they're making
plays like Kendrey Miller twelve forced miss tackles over the
first few games. I'm willing to bet most of them
came last week against the Bill's defense. Nobody could bring
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him down, nobody could touch him, and getting him used
in a lot of different ways, putting him in space,
getting him on these yards after catch, like quick outlet throws,
having him run the ball like this, he might have something.
And so I think that that becomes a layer here,
especially if you're trying to protect Spencer Ratler from Abdul Carter,
who's playing everywhere outside linebacker. He's playing a little inside linebacker.
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He's blitzing as a as a like creeping defender. Eight pressures,
five hits, and that was just last week. I mean,
it's it's insane to be doing that much, to have
that many roles as a rookie. Now I know everyone's
getting not us because we know ball, but everyone it's
gonna sit there and be.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
Like, oh, he doesn't have a lot of sacks.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
So look at the other look at you, but look
at the pressures, Like look at the he in nineteen
pressures already.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Tibodeau and these guys are actually showing up on the
box score. And that's because they have somebody else distracting,
you know, the attention.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, and Dexter Lawrence, I thought played his best game,
even taking away the interception, Like he's starting to create pressure.
It's a good defense. It's I don't think there's gonna
be a lot of points. I think if you're a
Jackson Dart fan, you just got to be worried, like
this pace is a little unsustainable. He took five sacks.
I think all five were on him, just like holding
the ball too long. It carried the ball twelve He
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carried the ball twelve times if you you know, include
the penalty plays and you know he's got the play
where he's like, you know, pushing down the defender like
in the face.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
But it gets you fired up. But he took some
big hits in that game.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Like if he gets hit seventeen times a game, he
will not be long for the starting lineup. We are
not long for our week. Five preview. We've only got
a few more games and we're going to hit them
after this final break.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Back on NFL Daily.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
And Yes, I arrived in London Monday evening and had
an experience going through the Dublin Airport I never had before.
I was in the middle of the entire Minnesota Vikings
organization going through security, just Jalen Naylor right in front
of me having to get his bags checked like a
normal person.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I guess you can't like.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Escape security overseas like and just fly private and just
skip all that because they're their entire group where we're
doing the same thing as me, buying overpriced uh you
know stuff leprechauns in the gift store, Like right as
we got through.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Wow, man, you're you're you're like nailing some stereotypes. Stare Gray.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I mean, I'm just telling you exactly what was happening.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I literally was in the gift store buying the stuffed
leprechaun and the Minnesota Vikings players were doing the same thing.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
My son wanted one. Sorry, they're gonna sell it, I'm
gonna buy it.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
And that's what we we consume, and we go through
customs and we go with the Vike.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Yeah, and some of us are accustomed to picking teams
that lose every single week, as I did for the
Carolina Panthers last week.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
But this week might be different.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
They are at home taking on the Miami Dolphins, who
are one and a half point favorite. I love the single,
I love the one there at all times. Eric Collins,
Mark Schlaire, Jen Hale on the call. The Dolphins, of course,
lose Tyreek Hill for the remainder of the season. There's
questions about twenty twenty six Greg, which Panthers team makes
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an appearance here in this game on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I think the twenty twenty five Carolina Panthers, which are
they're bad? There was that like one team that showed
up for the Falcons game, and even in that game,
they didn't crack three hundred yards. They had the same
yard it was. It was a little bit of a
fluky game and they won it and they deserve it.
One of these teams, though, Steve, will be two and three.
And even if I wanted to go ahead and power
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rank the teams and put them each in the bottom five,
the reality is one of these teams after this week
will be two and three.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
And I think that's an it's an exciting opportunity.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
If you're the fans of one of these teams or
the quarterbacks of the coach, like, you're gonna feel pretty decent.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
There's some decent teams out there that'll be two and three.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Wait to sell it, Gray, well done. I mean, I
just mean it.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I mean I got opportunity this whole AFC East, NFC
South though, yeah, combination this year, some stinky teams are
going to be winning some games.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
I'm real interested because Miami's defense was still poorest they
would get We saw the Jets just go up and
down the field. I mean, Carolina has got offensively the
potential to move the ball. I don't know if they
can get into the end zone. But getting Darren Waller
back really intrigues me for the Dolphins. No Tyreek Hill.
Jalen Waddles got the speed close to Tyreek Kill, but
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he's not a deep threat the way that they're used.
So the Dolphins don't have the guy who can necessarily
take the top off the defense, but they can paper
cut you all over the place. And I think Darren
Waller from what he showed in a few plays he
played the other day could end up being an option
for what Tua does.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
Well.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
I like Miami to outscore Carolina. There's no defense is
in this game, I mean still Carolina.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Yeah, because Carolina is running the ball okay, and they look,
you know, relatively physical while they're doing it. And while
Miami's defense can rush the passer, I still see no
signs to be able to stop the run. And so
that's where I think Carolina has to try to capitalize
and attack this week. On the other side of it,
I mean, I'm really excited to see if Miami keeps
(29:37):
looking like Miami offensively, whatever that sad thing was that
was out there earlier this season, Like Tua looked more
confident than I've seen him maybe in years throw And
I loved the game plan. Darren Waller's like renaissance, I
guess if it sustains two touchdowns, And then was on
the hands team for the on side kick recovery when
the Jets were trying to mount a comeback.
Speaker 7 (29:59):
But I I really liked the scheme.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
I liked that they ran the ball and they kept
when they kept running the ball, and he had over
one hundred scrimmage yards, got to ninety nine rushing yards
and wasn't even close to that number in rushing yards
any other point in this season.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
And Tua was looking like all of the little.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
Things he does that makes him a really good quarterback,
where he can execute, he move the launch point, he
can do some of those ball fakes, including one sick
one behind the back, and that was so cool, where
he can change wherever the defense's eyes are going to be,
just with these little movements and these little cadences. And
then what Mike McDaniel got back to doing, which is
(30:38):
what he was doing when he first started coaching this
team and scheming guys up on this team, was getting
guys free releases off the line of scrimmage, making defenders
play with dirty eyes, as coaches like to say, where
you're flowing one way and then everything else is going
the other way, or the receiver is already blown by
you because you're playing a little too tight, and he
is coming off the line of scrimmage and changing space
(30:59):
and gaps on you via these motions. And I think
I would actually trust a little bit more the Panthers
run game, which I know has been bad, the Panthers
run defense, which I know has been bad against a
Miami run attack that has been start stopped this entire
year and only just barely is starting again. I would
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trust their secondary less, even without Tyreek Hill. I would
trust their secondary way less to be able to handle
and adjust to all of the things that Mike McDaniel's
going to try to do and two is going to
try to do to.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
Full their eyes.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yeah, after rushing for seventy eight and sixty one yards
in the first two games of the season, and granted
it's up against the Bills and the Jets, whose run
defenses have allowed other teams to go they went for
one thirty one twenty three. I think that was the
difference in the Dolphins offense, especially on Monday Night, where
the misdirections, the fakes being able to have to have
(31:54):
Tom to throw it behind the back pass and celebrate
cool like the vobs are up because they're moving the
ball there being some sss.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
Well.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
I feel like that's where the confidence comes from.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
And what better opportunity to get confidence in the run
game than playing against the Carolina Panthers if they can
actually commit to it. If you don't exactly get distracted
by the opportunity to take shots down the field and
just have sustained commitment to the run game, where everybody
that's played against the Panthers that's done that has been
able to win going away.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
When it doesn't happen, oh man, they're eating when they
throw the ball to that they might have the worst
like middle of the field.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
Ye ever, And that's and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
It's bad all around.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
Greg is like, I trust no phase of this defense,
but I trust I actually against this particular type of
passing attack. I actually trust the Panthers passing defense less
than I trust their running defense. And I already don't
trust their running defense.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
How the hell did they shut the Falcons out? It's
just their.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Linebacker in Carolina are so bad. The Dolphins offense, I
think everyone just remembers that Week one. They've been fine
this year, and they haven't been good, but they've been fine.
Like they they went up and down on the Patriots,
they did okay against the Bill, like they've been okay.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
They've had a very easy schedule.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
They're kind of getting away with it on the offensive
line because of the matchups, Like they're starting Cole strange. Still,
the former Patriots pick Larry Boram is their right tackle.
Their their rookie second round pick who they took high
has really been struggling. So I'm not really feeling either
of these teams long term, but I'm feeling the Dolphins
on Sunday.
Speaker 7 (33:27):
I hardly know him.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
M Okay, that's a good one.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
I know.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
I do not apologize for that. That was spectacular. We'll
get to.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Coach Callahan's Tennessee Titans also a one and a half
point favorite. No, excuse me, that's it. That's just a
holdover because I was shocked seven and a half point favorites.
I see, yeah, it's the other one point five carried
from fins. But either way, seven and a half point
favorites of the Arizona Cardinals at home against the Tennessee
(33:59):
titanspirator is that of Marcholetta and.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
The dB Kinkwalla on the call and Coach Callahan.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Before we get to the discussion of it, had an
opportunity to answer some questions because the seat may be
getting hot.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
I want everybody to get a chance to listen.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Do you think this is a resilient and relentless football team?
Speaker 8 (34:20):
I know what you're doing. Air Paul, I know what
you're doing, and I'm not going to answer that to
you right now. Well, I mean, those are the things
that you've tried to twenty.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Some games in it.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
I stop.
Speaker 8 (34:31):
I'm just compose myself here before I say something I regret.
But yes, I think this team is resilient. I think
it is relentless. We haven't played good enough football, and
I think there's two Those are two very distinct different
things we have to execute at a better level with
the coach better.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
And that's really all I can say. Greg. It is October. First,
your thoughts, oh, I.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Have Okay, I have a couple of thoughts.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
First of all, I should have mentioned, like Dave Canalis
was also asked this week whether they would be changing
their staff, whether they would be looking at organizational changes.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
It is not a good sign when that's happening.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
But I especially wanted to point that clip out because
it's something that happens in the tenure of every Titans coach,
and that's the moment where you let everyone know how
much you hate Paul Kuhart.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
There it is, there, it is Mike Raymond.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Many of those moments Mike malarkey Man, he had those moments.
Ken Wizenheut, you might not even remember, was the Titans
coach and had a record I think might have been
worse than Brian Callahan, who's three and eighteen and he
did not last long. I feel bad because I was
like Ken Wizner. Mike Munchak definitely had a couple of
those moments. Jeff Fisher had those moments. So it is
(35:43):
a rite of passage, and you know, I hope that
Brian Callahan can can get past it because it's it's
always Paul Kaharski on the other line, and they always
say Paul, they always call him by his first name.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
That's my tick.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
Look, it's I'm not mean. I'm not mean. I'll put
it to you this way.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I'm not It's all good, all around.
Speaker 7 (36:09):
Thousands of time I wrote.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
I wrote Paul Kaharski down here and showed it to
Jeorde because it is.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
It is a rite of passage, you know, because Paul
is a tough reporter.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
He's seen a lot of bad football, so he's got
every right, uh to to go and ask these types
of questions. Report the way he reports. Look, I don't
know what the Titans. Necessarily, the goal clearly is to win.
They've got a quarterback and cam Ward who they think
can do it. But what else have they put together?
Like I just kind of want to know what they're
(36:41):
trying to roster wise, everything, what they're trying to do,
because it's it's just not great. Now, is this a
game that they can possibly go when you don't, Yeah,
they could. I mean, I think Arizona's a better football team,
but they still haven't figured out, like we talked about
Tampa Bay, that when they show up on the field
that they should They're a hot.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
And cold team.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
So maybe Tennessee pulls something off and they get Paul
caw Harsky off the coach's back for a bit.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
I just didn't know.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
I just don't know roster wise, I just don't know
what it is. What's like you talk about looking for
an identity. I think they're like a year away from
being a year away from looking for an identity.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
I think it'll actually be kind of hard for Arizona
to move the ball on this Titans defense, which isn't
like you know, I wouldn't put them. I put them
kind of in the middle, lower third of the NFL,
but they have put together some quality snaps and then
Arizona can't really run the ball anymore because they're already
missing James Connor, and then Trey Benson is out too,
and he might come back later on in the season,
(37:41):
but that's that's their heart and soul, both guys. I
mean James Connor certainly, and then Trey Benson is is
a pretty quality backup to him as well. And there
are still errors and issues between Kyler Murray and Marvin
Harrison Junior. I know you had the redemption touchdown in
a really couple of really nice plays, but there's also
been a lot of really bad plays between the two.
And this Cardinals offense feels like a team that thinks
(38:04):
it's supposed to be this one thing because everybody on
the outside is telling them they have to be the
wide receiver one and then everybody else's team.
Speaker 7 (38:12):
But really what it is is get the ball to Tray.
Speaker 6 (38:14):
McBride and then burn people down the field with whoever
else from time to time so that the defense respects
the middle of the field. That's what they are and
they should just go to do that. So I think
that that's where Arizona is having issues. My major takeaway
though from all of this and listening to some of
the quotes out of the press conferences from Tennessee over
the last several days, is what I really wish someone
(38:36):
would have done is ask Brian Callahan do you agree
that we ask?
Speaker 4 (38:45):
I think he would agree with me.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I mean that would be a more ass that would
be a more constructive question, because like to make to
do the callback thing, like, yeah, I do understand what
Brian Callan is saying.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
There, I see what you're trying to do.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
But it's like, what we learning from this other than
we're having this itchy interaction right now between you and me?
What's what's the value when you know a lot of
people work very hard to get in that room and
you've been there for a while. But that doesn't justify
wasting everybody's time. Although we did spend we did spend
time on it today on our show, so perhaps that's
(39:21):
that's a lesson for me. But cam war has been
pressured on his dropbacks, that's nuts. But now he's going
up against the team with the tenth lowest sack rate
in the league in the Arizona Cardinals, and the way
that the second half started on Thursday with Sweat coming
off the edge and getting pressure on Sam Darnold, and
it's like, yeah, that's it. But they haven't been able
(39:43):
to consistently do that while Cam has been consistently under
siege in his first season. Was first few games in
his first season, and like we get the you know,
the honesty from him at the podium and hopefully things
get better.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
There's a reason why teams have the first overall pick.
Choose you because they're terrible.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
I just want them to, Like Steve, I feel like
they could they could get sparks for for like one game.
Could they just win one game?
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Like this is one of those games, because if the
Cardinals win this game, they might not play that well
and they would be like a very underwhelming three and two.
I think this could be one game that they could
do it because you mentioned like missing the running backs,
and the Cardinals are thirty first and success rate with
those running backs. I think for all the Harrison stuff,
like everything that's wrong with this team starts there, Like
they just don't make sense if they're that bad of
(40:35):
a running titan.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Really throwing it short. Yeah, they missed Clayton Adams.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I just would like to see these guys the Titans
get get one win, get everyone off the Schneid, get
Spencer Ratler a win, Get you guys home from the
studio in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
That was it for our week five preview. We've already
made it two Week five.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
We will be back in this feed and not too
long with the Thursday night recaps. Guys night on Thursday
Night Football, it's Patrick claybo Oh, that's never happened.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
It's uh yeah, it's a good quint. Just someone I
just I just melt like dude, dudes with muscles. That
doesn't usually happens. The Cardinals, that doesn't happen either. It's
Rams and Niners. We'll see you then
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