November 25, 2025 • 52 mins
Real ball-knowers understand that the important football is played from Thanksgiving on... and this year, the matchups are spicy, the teams are desperate and the stage is set for a special slate of NFL action in Week 13. Gregg Rosenthal, Jourdan Rodrigue, Colleen Wolfe and Steve Wyche convene for a preview of the Thursday and Friday games; Green Bay Packers at Detroit Lions, Kansas City Chiefs at Dallas Cowboys, Cincinnati Bengals at Baltimore Ravens, and Chicago Bears at Philadelphia Eagles. Make sure to stick around until the very end for a 'souprise...'
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we recognize Thanksgiving. That's the
best holiday on the board. I'm Greg Rosenthal, and I'm
talking to a group of skeptical people, Steve Weiss, Colleen Wolf,
and Jordan rod Rig You're not with me.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
No, no, okay, I'm leaning all in.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
It's good.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
It's ours.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
There's not as much like pressure, you know. It's just
like food. It's centered around.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
The food, making food, and then we'll be defined on
the recipe and how you execute it.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
That's a little bit of appeals, right, you know it? Well, Colleen,
you know the bigger issue with Thanksgiving is to clean up. Oh,
because people will bail in a heartbeat.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I can't with people who don't clean as they go.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Plus you know it. Plus you know what else? Thanksgivings
what it's American? You know, Christmas? I mean, what's caused
more strife and world history than religion that could divide
the people?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Thanksgiving?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
She brings it togetheriving the colonization.
Speaker 6 (01:08):
Yeah, yeah, it is, it is American.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Climb in the bed and read about it at night
too and feel real.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Okay, I've lost my notes.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I'm just going nuts, said Steve a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
This is our Thanksgiving show, and this is going to
be the same crew for our Week thirteen preview. We're
really making some progress here. We're into the teens. But yes,
it is a double show day. The shows will go
up separate though, and man, we've got bangers on Thanksgiving.
I do want to warn you early in the show.
We are also going to tack on just a little
(01:42):
segment at the end. Colleen suggested this as a joke
over text, but I'm taking her up on that. We
will be drafting soup. What is the best soup at
the Eric famously last week said he did not believe
soup was masculine, and.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Essentially, I did not say not mastering.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I just feel like it's a waste. Like if you're
going on in your orders soup, what are you doing?
He knows what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
He said, it's not really like a thing that men
should be doing.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
The soup is for women.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, thing that we said, Yes, that's what you're.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna prove how great
soup is one of the great things that you can
have in the world food Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So we'll wrap the show. That's what people are going
to Thanksgiving dinner for soup.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
No, it's the soup actually has nothing to do really
with the Thanksgiving show, but it's food.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
The soup came up last week and let's talk.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
Paul Greg just blowing up the group.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Chat Packers Lions.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
This is potentially the best Thanksgiving slate since I've worked
here at NFL Network, but that's like thirteen years. And
in this game in particular, Packers Lions might be as
import in a game as we've had on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Ever.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Really, these two teams, Steve, who both started the year
with real Super Bowl hopes, And I'm not saying it's over,
but whoever who loses this game is in a tough situation.
They're really gonna be in third place in this division
with not that many games to go.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
It means a lot.
Speaker 7 (03:19):
For both these well, especially Detroit because in Green Bay
would have to sweep over them if it does come
down to a tiebreaker swords, so that's huge. And I
think this is gonna play out the same way because
as much as the Lions can look good and this
and that their offensive line is not what it was,
they lost some people. They've had some injury issues. A
couple of guys are really held together by tape, you know,
(03:40):
and so that Packers defront they're they're coming for you,
and they're they're getting better overall. So I think if
this is gonna play out just like the first game
and Michael Parsons just showed up like Okay, I'm gonna
wreck everything, I think it could play out the exact
same way.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
And the Packers defense is coming to this game playing
very well, coming off one of their best games. I
should have mentioned we don't have Patrick here, who usually
is like reading the.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Lines and the announcers and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
It's it's a two and a half point line, and
of course because it's Thanksgiving, it's it's the most watched
games all year.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
You got the A team with Tom Brady and Burchard.
Speaker 8 (04:15):
Yeah, maybe it's striking how we've always known Jared Goff
in pressure do not go well together, right, We've always
known that, But it's so striking, especially with what Steve
mentioned is the issues with the offensive line. How dramatic
the jextaposition is with Jared Goff when he is getting
pressured and the Packers are doing it in a variety
of ways outside inside sending blitz. They're sending sims like
(04:36):
they're where it looks like they're gonna pressure, but then
they back off like it's just there. It's very confusing
for any quarterback to handle. Jared Goff is completing just
forty six percent of his passes against pressure with pronection stats,
two touchdowns, two interceptions. When he's clean without pressure eighty
percent completed passes, nineteen touchdowns and two interceptions. So the
(04:58):
name of the game for for Green Bay is hassel
and worry Jared Roff. Do everything you can to contain
Jamiir Gibbs, who's playing lights out right now.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Well, that's exactly what I was going to say.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
I'm not sure how when they have Michael Parsons able
to put this much pressure on the quarterback and then
play this well against the run. How I mean, Obviously,
the Lions generate so many points and they have so
many different things that they can do, But with Jamiir
Gibbs being such a big part of the offense's success
and Jared Goff in general, how are they going to
(05:30):
get things going? Because I think that the defense for
the Packers is really going to be the star of
the show. On Thanksgiving when we're used to Dan Campbell
kind of being the guy and pulling things off. Because
it was that Thanksgiving game how many years ago now
where if they didn't where is it the Bills that
they were playing. They didn't quite win the game, but
it was the first time where everyone was like, oh
(05:51):
my god, wait the Lions.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
They've put up a decent fight here and they looked
really good.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
And then after that it was the second half of
the season that they completely took off, and.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
That is a great memory.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
They lost that game twenty eight to twenty five, and yes,
then they won five out of their next Bix games
to finish that season nine and eight.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
How about the big brain eye, Colleen, that's great.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Everyone is shocked, including Colleagen.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
Look, it's one of the few times we were like, wow,
that your good Lions Thanksgiving game, because usually was like, okay,
let's just blow through that until we get to the
Cowboys game.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
But now it's mussy television. Jamiir Gibbs.
Speaker 7 (06:26):
The first time they played nine carries nineteen yards, that's different.
I mean they're a different football team right now. So
the Packers, I mean, if they clog up the middle
of that of that line, there's gonna be no lanes
for Gibbs to hit.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
My head agrees with all that, and I think the
Packers are coming into this game overall having more answers,
and yet these teams are close enough to me. I
do think, you know, forget about you know, holiday magic,
Thanksgiving magic for the Lions as a home team. And yes,
Jamir Gibbs at a point last week where you know,
I saw someone point out like that game last week,
(07:00):
like that's what it was like being around when when
Barry was around, like a game where running back can
just put you completely on his back. And if there
is a way to attack this Packers defense, They're good
overall in general, but I'd rather do it on the ground.
He is playing a higher percentage of snaps than he's
ever played, He's getting a higher percentage of touches than
he's ever done, And so can I see Jamir Gibbs
(07:23):
just having a moment here on Thanksgiving. And when I
look at these teams overall, even though there's some weaknesses
here with the Lions, they seem like a pair of
teams that should split. And so I'm just believing in
like the Holiday magic of it all. Somehow Detroit finds
a way because that's that's a great home fan base.
Last week they were chanting, let's go Lions, let's go
(07:44):
Lines while they're losing to the Giants. I don't think
there's another fan base in the league that wouldn't be
like so sad and disappointing them. Owment Instead they're lifting
up their team.
Speaker 7 (07:53):
No paper bags anymore, No, no paper bags. I mean
that's what Dan Campbell's got this team. This is gonna
be a good game. And you know what, the Lions defense.
This gives them credit.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Oh I love this defense.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
I mean the way they're they're playing, they're not going
to make it easy for Jordan Love. Adon Hutchinson is
playing as well as any edge rusher outside of Miles
Gear in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (08:10):
It's fantastic to see the combination of talent and coaching
meet at each other, where it has for Detroit's defense
this year under Calvin Sheppard.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
These guys play fast, they're tough.
Speaker 8 (08:22):
Even when they were known as the Legion of Whom
when they were missing and they've been missing so many
people in the secondary self self named also like that.
They they just brought it every single week, and they
really have been such a steadying force until last week.
Until last week, but I mean, jamis game weird stuff. Okay,
(08:42):
I'm gonna call that one an outlier on this season,
and it's this defense is so excellent and we cannot
forget guys. Jordan Love is playing with like basically one
working arm right now and just even handing on, handing
out off with the opposite arm last week, So you
really have to watch out for that in this game.
Speaker 9 (08:58):
Quickly does Kelvin Sheppard gets of interviews even if he's
this is exactly where he's going exactly like not he
may not get a head coach job, but a lot
of people do these interview these guys like Okay, maybe
not this year, but next year we will have on
our radar.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Well.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Just the way that he is on the sideline, I
feel like that his energy is so palpable and you
can see how his players respond to him. Aaron Glenn
was the same type of way in Detroit, but to
see Kelvin Shepard in that role is just, I don't know,
it's different. He has this like aura about him, almost
like I want to run through a wall for him.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
It's a little bit of Rob Robert Sala.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
When he was.
Speaker 8 (09:34):
If Athley is going to be a darling of this
coaching cycle the way a lot of people are projecting
him to be, Kelvin Shepherd should be right up there
with him because of the job that he's done.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Well this This will be a big showcase for him
on Thanksgiving because I do think the Giants expose a
few things, Like in their zone coverage last week. You
got to be a talented quarterback to hit those honey
hole shots. Yeah, over and over in the zone, and
Jamous just kept doing it, and Jordan Love can do that,
do it and then some and I do think their
(10:04):
receiver group Dobbs and Watson like people are kind of
falling into the roles that they should be. And we'll
see if Josh Jacobs plays in this game. But it's
gonna be a real test. I think it could be
a little bit of a score fest despite all the talent.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
I think it's all defense.
Speaker 8 (10:19):
I think it's all defense, and I think Green Bay's
defense has to take over this game early, and if
they do, then they'll win.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
My favorite rep of the entire Packers game last week
was when Michael Parsons kind of selflessly blows up the
middle of the Giants, not the Giants, the Vikings offensive
line in absolutely steam rolls two interior alignment and he
knows like he's just taken one for the team on
a stunt. So I think it was Rashan Gary or
(10:46):
one of the defensive tackles comes in and gets the sack.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
And Gary is playing well that way.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
And when you have that sort of buy in, I
think from Parsons, who's just doing everything right now, like
I have showcase for him too.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
A lot of guys should freelance and try and get
the tackle. He's like, nope, let me pick the guy.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
The other guy gives the play human big day for
Brady too. You know, I think he's progressed this year.
I think he's better as an announcer. They moved this
game from twelve thirty to one Eastern, which I didn't like.
I like that it was always so early on Thanksgiving,
but now and now it's at one, and so Brady
a little bit of a showcase. Like I said, uh,
the two most watched games of the year will are
(11:20):
very often these two games. And yes they're saying that
the most watched game maybe of all time after Thursday.
It's kind of the expectations will be Chiefs Cowboys. Chiefs
are three and a half point underdogs. By the way,
am I the only one taking the Lions?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
There?
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I'll make you guys pick this this week.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
I'm taking the packers.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I'm going pack all the Lions.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
The Lions with you.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Colleen was in a tough spot because I know what
Colleen's move is with all the picks. She just like
to be the one person that takes the opposite Yo.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
It's with the Falcon put out for yo.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
Gras they put out, he was like, whoa, I saw that.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
It's just like all right, and I guess I'll go
with it too, but like that's kind of racing, that's
a little It.
Speaker 8 (12:05):
Was a social media manager's version of the U up text.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I know. I was like hr because it was like
Falcons administered.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
I absolutely loved it.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
And if you're watching on YouTube, you can check it
out and look, it's on everyone else.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
By the way, that works for NFL network.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Why was only one person taking the freaking Atlanta Falcons
over the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Give me a break?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Okay, okay, onto the big game Chiefs Cowboys, loving that
it's coming at this particular point in the season. Chiefs
favored by three and a half points in Dallas. We
have the CBS crew with Nance and Romo. You say
wow because you think that's a lot for the Chiefs
(12:50):
to be favored by or a little and I and
I say Steve that I love that it's at this
point in the season because the Cowboys, I think right
now have done the thing that the Cowboys always do,
which is they got their fans hopes up there actually
is there is a path here where you can see
that they're a pretty complete team. The Chiefs are coming off,
you know, maybe their most important win of the entire season.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
What made you say wow?
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Because it's in Dallas, because the home game, you know,
the three the Chiefs being the favorite there, and like,
this game is going to be so good because both
of these teams. A loss for either one of these teams,
it's not it, but especially for Dallas, that's kind of
it because that's where the tie will work against that'll
count more so is a loss and it will as
a win. But I just think this is one where
(13:38):
the Cowboys as well as they're playing defensively.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Don't have an answer for Mahomes with his feet.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
I know overshown can cover a lot of ground, but
this is where Patrick Mahomes can come to line of scrimmage,
get overshown to come dump it in over his head
body And I think for she Rice going back home
is going to do his thing. But man, Dallas, they're
playing so well on both sides of the ball. You
know who knew that not skinny Quinn Williams individually.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Was going to work.
Speaker 7 (14:06):
Oh, I love it, But the fact that he tandems
with Kenny Clark, they are destroying offensive lines together.
Speaker 8 (14:13):
I see Jordan m m Yes, I was the lone
voice here who actually really really admired what the Cowboys
did and in that trade, bringing in Quinn Williams and
making sure that they're setting themselves up not just to
try to get better through the course of this season,
but for twenty twenty six to actually be a complete
unit when the season starts.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
And they're playing so much better. They have improved.
Speaker 8 (14:35):
I'm not willing to put my faith in this defense
all the way yet, no, but they are playing much improved.
And the second thing that I absolutely love, one of
my most favorite things that I've I've learned being on
this show is I love having my priors confirmed by
my priors about Brian Schottenheimer.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Oh yeah, he was gonna be fine.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (14:53):
And this offense and how much fun it is and
how like. The thing that is great about this offense
to me isn't just that they're productive and explosive, right,
and that Dak's playing great. The run game's good. They're
a matchup offense. They can hurt you and morph around
your vulnerabilities. They just did it to the Eagles. We
(15:14):
were talking last week about them needing to break tendency
and run some really efficient play action and really pick
their spots for Dak's play action, and he had one
hundred and seventy four yards off of play action passes,
almost half of his passing yards last week, even though
they don't like to run it a ton with him,
and they still stayed true to their rate of usage
while maximizing the spots that they picked to particularly attack
(15:37):
where the Eagles had shown some vulnerability. They are a
matchup team the way that you want a matchup team
to be formed when it makes a playoff run. But
they're doing it right now because they really have nothing
to lose. Yeah, and it's so much fun to watch.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
I think that Dak Prescott will outduel Patrick Mahome in
this game. I just think Ceede Lamb George Pickens has
been playing so well and Ceede Lamb's going to want
some of those plays back from last week. It's at home,
and like you mentioned, they're underdogs, so this would be
a home upset for them, and it will.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
I'll due him in yards or like impact plays and
the timing of the impact play.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
The timing of the impact.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
But you know what, and this is also Patrick Mahomes'
first time starting at at and T Stadium.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
He's never which is kind of an interesting even in.
Speaker 10 (16:28):
High school those championships down there, that's hard to believe, right,
Or maybe it is the first time he's starting there
in the NFL after having started there before, because it
wouldn't make sense that he was never there in high school.
Speaker 7 (16:41):
See, this is where you know you talk about Dak
in the matchups and things like this, Like other than
Sean Paton, which coach loves the screen game more than anyone,
Andy Reid, I think he's gonna screen the Cowboys. Yeah,
I think this is going to be one of these
games where a Kareem Hunt be the tight end, be
it Ra she Rice, be a Worthy are going to screen.
(17:01):
They're gonna do these ten play drives, you know, type
of things that we see them do from time to time,
and they're just gonna get them early on horizontal horizontal,
let's fatigue them then popliti.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
And they did that so well last week.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Ye they had a patient game plan and they ran
from under center way more than they have for the
rest of the season, and they were effective in like
moving the ball very slowly. They were back to that
Chief's offense. But we've kind of gotten sick of watching
the last few years. But it's crazy. The reason I
think their favorite is because, like the numbers love Kansas
(17:33):
City this year in a way that they did not
like them at all last year. Because like, for instance,
they are one of the best three teams in a
stat which seems like it should matter yards per drive
of the last five years. The other two teams on
that list are other Chiefs teams, like and they are
moving the ball well, it just it's just taking a while.
So it's a great time for this to happen. Because
(17:55):
it's such a good test because the Cowboys are really
playing well against the run in general. I know it's
only a two week sample, but ninth and EPA per
play overall over the last two weeks, and we're playing
better against the run really all season. That's just sort
of what their personnel looks like. And Quentin Williams is
coming off the most pressures he's ever had in an
NFL game like period was last week, and he has
(18:16):
the most of any defensive tackle since he added So
you think it's all Quentinnin Williams and that's been huge,
But adding over shown adding Malie Cooker, who was also
adding Donovan Wilson, who was another starter who was also hurt.
Bland was out for a while at cornerback and is
now healthy again, so it's not just one guy, and
it's a really good test of like how patient they
(18:37):
want to be with the running game Kansas City and
how they look without Trey Smith, which is a big
loss they're going to be without the.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
Real quickly when you were talking about how you know
the Chiefs go these long drives, yes, I could see
the air the idea bubble over Jeorde ted like cover
two shell.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
The problem is that's what That's what Patrick Mahomes I
know is so good at Yeah, it's just so annoying.
Speaker 10 (18:59):
Steve reads, Oh my God's beat deep.
Speaker 8 (19:03):
Also, I also loved what you said, Steve about the
screen game because you're probably not going to have a
lot of success. The Chiefs haven't had a lot of
success running the ball, especially between the tackles anyway this
year and so and you're going to have a hard time,
I think against the way that this mid season rebuild
of the defensive line has gone.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
For the Cowboys.
Speaker 8 (19:22):
So I like what you said about the screen game
because a lot of teams and Andy Reid it also
does this thinks about it as an extension of their
mid to wide zone. And so if you if you
know you're not going to get much movement in the
middle of the field, then you split out to the
sides and you just consider that as a part of.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Your run game.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
You're using more players in it as well, and that
I think is what's helping them, I think reassess the
space that they're attacking when they can't get much right
in front of them.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
By the way, I have the answer here, Patrick Mahomes
he played his final collegiate game at eighteen eighty and
through four five hundred and eighty six yards and six touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Thank you Drew Christiensen for the wow.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Who Texas SEC beat former Bailey researcher Ah was fast?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Good job, big one.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I'm curious too, how Spagnolo and Chris Jones in particular
play in this game, because last week it felt like
the Chiefs that we've known before. Yeah, in that Spagnolo
had so many different pressures in the second half of
that game that they it was gotta have it down,
(20:31):
and he completely won the matchup after he figured out
what Chane Stikeen was doing, Like he had a great game,
and then Chris Jones got them off the field like
three times, like three.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Different times on third down. He was the guy.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
And so it's just that creeping feeling if you've watched
the NFL over the last seven years ago, this is
this happening again. But it's a really tough matchup against
this this Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Often, if.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
I don't want to do what the Chief's done, is
the dynasty over?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
I will?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I'm not gonna say.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
What I would they could survive like one more I
would like.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Like, damn, that's gonna be the rundown to I'm rooting.
I'm rooting for the Cowboys. So I'm just gonna take
the Cowboys just because I want. I want that feeling
of rooting for something that you almost know for sure
is not gonna happen. That's actually part of sports. That's
how I felt watching the Colts last I just build
them up to let them down. I just I just
I like, I almost know for sure they're going to lose,
(21:26):
because that's just what happens. Like the Chiefs will win
this game, and I just want to be disappointed.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
I don't think you're right. I think that the Chiefs
all right, that the Cowboys will win.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
But I'm okay the Cowboys. I'm picking the Cowboys.
Speaker 8 (21:41):
Been on the Cowboys all year, so I gotta pick WHOA.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah, maybe maybe Cowboys mix it up a little bit. Mahomes'
numbers against me in coverage have been terrible this year. Yeah,
mix it up, Cowboys, mix it up.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
We also have.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
They they got some guys who can play man.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
A lot of the fell Dailiens out there listening to
this show. We got a couple more big games for
the Thanksgiving and Black Friday set up.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Will hit them after the break. We will also hit
that Super draft.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Oh yeah, a little lady for homework.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
But I don't need to go.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Back on NFL daily tension in the room with the
soup draft coming up. No, I'm kidding, there's no tension.
The vibes are great. It's a pre holiday vibe is
and I'm bathing in it before the best.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
Uh here, but bathing, But men don't take bath don't
take baths either.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Eric's okay. I will admit, Eric, don't you worry.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
I misattributed the manosphere take that Eric didn't believe that
men have super He just has his own completely horrible
take That soup is unnecessary.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
But it's not about the men. It's not.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
It never is.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
We'll get to that in the end.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
First we're going to get to uh, We're gonna get
to a game that is a little spicier than we expected,
you know, maybe a few weeks ago. Although if you
had said before the season that the Bengals would be
all but eliminated from playoff contention before this game, like
I would not have believed it. So it's better. But
it's not great. We also will not have Trey Hendrickson
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in this game. We will not have t Higgins in
this game. Zack Taylor of the Bengals did confirm that,
but he does expect Joe Burrow to play. The Bengals
are going to Baltimore on Thursday night. The Ravens are
favored by seven in this game. Now, Chris Collinsworth takes
off Thanksgiving, and I support that spending the time with
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the family, But I'm less excited about Jason Garrett being
on the call for this game with Tariko.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
Don't they get a lot of family time together anyway?
On the broadcast? How do you mean Chris and Jack Collinsworth?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Oh, there you go?
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Is Jack working the game?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
I don't think he has the something to take that
game off.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I'm surprised that the Ravens are favored, maybe by this month,
just because of how they have looked. How concerned Jordan
are you with how the Ravens have played offensively in
particular over the last month.
Speaker 8 (24:13):
Very concerned when you also factor in the equation that
Lamar Jackson is showing up on the practice report or
the injury report and practice this week again with something
completely This is a toe now and he's been banged
up all year. I don't trust the Bengals still defensively
at all, but they are coming off their best defensive
performance by by far leaps and bounds this season. This
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was kind of crazy looking this up because I knew
that the Ravens, and you see it with your eyes
every week watching how they've struggled to put any sort
of consistency or like total true dominance together drive over
drive on offense. They're nineteenth in EPA per play really
on offense, and.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Like this they should be primed for a bounce back game.
Speaker 8 (24:59):
I guess again, historically this season what we've seen against
the Bengals defense that minus last week, has allowed a
successful play on over half.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Of team of Bengals.
Speaker 8 (25:10):
So but but this is this Ravens team. I don't
quite know what to make of them identity wise, other
than they look like they're limping everywhere.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
And that's By the way, we talked about Lamar.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
First it was a knee, then ankled, and tow Judy
Battista put the heade. No very good post by Judy
on that I'm with you on the Ravens, just like
man Lamar just doesn't look right because when he's health
the game looks too easy to right, Like he's just
out there playing with everybody like he's grinding through whatever
he's grinding through. And then we're talking about Joe Burrow
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being back. Why are we not talking about Joe Chase
coming back. I like the Bengals in this game. Their
defense is going to be as terrible as it wants.
Those two You like them to win, I win. I'm
going upset here, that would be I'm going on well
because look the Ravens, they have been grated at home.
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They have not been consistently great. And I just think
Joe sisty he's coming back, He's not gonna be limpid.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
He's gonna be smoking, right, He's gonna be going It's
gonna be smoking. We'll find out. We will find out.
Those Ravens linebackers, I think.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
They'll pick on him a little bit. I think they're
gonna be able to run a little bit on the Ravens.
D I I like Joe, I like Joe, I like
tight End.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
I do feel like this is a game where it's
the night cap on Thanksgiving. Everyone's sort of already thinks
that the Bengals are sort of done and they're they're washed,
they're played. At this point, they like they have a
tiny little chance to get back in things, and it's
like everything has to.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Go the right way.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
But that's the kind of thing that happens on these
like island games and primetime games, especially Thanksgiving when all
of you, like your family is there. And I can't
even imagine what that would cause if the Bengals upset
the Ravens at home Thanksgiving night.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
What happened in Baltimore. We don't want to know.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
That's a scary crowd there. They have had the best.
I just mean I got up for that.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
It's great environment.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
The environment.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
It's all with the great environment.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
You know, out fits and everything it is. It is incredible.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
This is just us trying to uh have Eric's back here.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
There we go. I uh.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Their game press honestly though, it's the best. It's the
best in the girl's I mean, it's so fun. They
lean into everything and there's so much to look at
before Like, they do an incredible job. If you ever
get a chance to go to a Ravens game, go
it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
And I think this is the best rivalry in terms
of quarterbacks that I've seen of two guys in the
same division. Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes are in different divisions,
but they do play like once or twice a year usually,
And you know, Patrick, or rather Tom Brady and Peyton
Manning like that was incredible at the time, but if
you go look at the performances that these two do
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have had when they've gone up against each other, it
is incredible. Especially last season it was next level. And yeah,
I hope Joe Burrow can deliver. He's coming off of
an injury. He's always really struggled in September. He's very
often struggling to come off an injury in September and
not played pretty well. And this is almost a similar
type of spot because he's coming out. So I hope
he's not rusty for lack of a better word, and
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Lamar absolutely is. He has seventy five yards rushing in
the last four weeks. The first play of last week's
game was an RPO where he kept it and the
Jets just like we're like, go man, and you see
the yellow line, which is imaginary and Lamar's just like
breaks creeping up to it like you see it on
the broadcast. That's not in real life. It's actually just
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like a broad and it looked like it was a
force field. There's like there's ten yards of green grass
in front of him, and it looked like a force
field that he's tiptoeing and he's hesitant, and then eventually
he finally goes and then he gets hit pretty hard
because he was so hesitant. Like that is not the
Lamar that I loved. And I think part of it
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is too that the passing games not having any flow.
Isaiah likely has one hundred and twenty yards this season.
Kylan Wallace and DeAndre Hopkins are out there for a
lot of the game.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Tes Walker like, it's just it's just uneven.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
And so we'll see if the Bengals, who have looked
a little better on defense.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (29:20):
Here's the thing this Bengals team.
Speaker 8 (29:23):
I know everybody's excited about Joe Burrow coming back, and
first of all, everyone please keep.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
Their saliva in their mouths.
Speaker 8 (29:29):
With Jamar Chase coming back, I will say, like this
just is ripe to me for the exact scenario that
Joe Burrow himself would have been facing all season anyway
if he had been healthy with which is maybe they
get close enough offensively to stay in a game like this,
but the defense will let them down in the end.
This has been last week was the exception, not the
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rule of this Bengals team. And I just think we're
going to see a pissed off Joe Burrow back in
the sort of the Hell's cycle, partially of his own
creation here.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
And ultimately they gave up a ton to the Patriots
when they needed to get stops in that game.
Speaker 7 (30:06):
I mean, I mean every yeah, I mean, that's that's
what the Bengals do. Their defense is terrible. I just
think this is one where the Ravens have been so inconsistent.
There will be a couple of punts by them, you know,
and if the Bengals have more possessions than them, I'm
taking Joey Burrow and Jamar Chase and I'll say this.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
You know a lot of people like, why is Joe
Burrow even coming back? Because you know the team's not good,
You're not gonna go to the playoffs. This is what
players do, right.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
Players would rather be fined than miss a game, right,
They only get seventeen of them a year. And to
see Joe Burrow work as hard as he did to
come back from the team that's already stuck.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
You know. We may say, well, he's getting paid a
lot of money, that's what he's supposed to do.
Speaker 7 (30:47):
This goes to show you how game he is, you know,
and I want people to understand.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
This is what This is how football players are. Yeah,
like that is how they are. Wise.
Speaker 8 (30:55):
I guarantee you he's not thinking about the game check.
He's thinking about getting that sick feeling out of his
stomach finally, and it's gonna be.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Like Thanksgiving night with him back on the field, returning
from this injury that seemed like it was he wasn't
gonna play at all at first when he first got hurt,
and then it's like, oh, he might be back in time.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
For the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
It's just this whole season for the Bengals has been
so I want to say it's a roller coaster, but
there haven't been a lot of ups. It's just closely downs.
But coming back on Thanksgiving Night with Chase there, with
te Hagen there, there's.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Just something about it. It is feeling kind of like
their Super Bowl. He had a quote and he kind
of announced his return. I'm not going to live my
life and play this game scared of what might happen,
you know. And one thing that has changed for this team.
They were one of the worst rushing teams of all time.
We were talking about it in September. They've been awesome
running the ball week after week. Chase Brown has been
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playing well, so the offense Joe Flacco slowed down a
little bit, but I think overall there's the pieces there
for them to play well. Kyle Hamilton, by the way,
was back at practice, as was Lamar Jackson on the
estimated report on Tuesday, So they're gonna be playing and yeah,
it's up It's up to Lamar to prove that he
can do it even when he's protected. There was no
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pass rush on him last week and they still struggled.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Let's pick that. Are you the only one taking the Bengals?
Speaker 6 (32:13):
I can't, Ravens.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I don't know why we're picking games on the Bengals. Yeah,
do it. Your picks have to be consistent, though, that
means you have to do it across every NFL property. Sorry,
we don't normally do that. Let's wrap up this previous
show with our Black Friday game.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Wow, this is a great one.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Bears going to Eagles.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Love this for the Bears as a real test of
where they're at, a step up in class. They had
a medium step up last week with the Steelers and
they ultimately passed it. And now this is another one.
The Eagles are favored by seven. We got it on
Amazon and then we got it on NFL Daily. Right afterwards,
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we're going to be doing a recap show of all
four games. Looking forward to that one. How are you
feeling about your Eagles, Colleen, as a heavy favorite with
everything going on against a team that's only lost three
games this year.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
I know it feels like they've lost a lot more
just based on all of the talk around the team,
but they are so inconsistent and it's on both sides
of the ball.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
And the collapse against.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
The Cowboys that's a huge hit for them.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
And now you have a short week.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Yes, they'll be home, and they had so many injuries
in the secondary and they lost three dvs in that game,
so that played a huge role.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Uba broke an angle not coming back reed blankenship. He
was hurt.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
I mean, this was this was not a good performance.
And this is a team that relies on their defense
when their offense is not giving what it should give
based on the playmakers that are on that team. And
still we had they we saw so many penalties that night,
like fourteen penalties. It just was that's coaching to me,
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This is they're undisciplined. But then there's no imagination to
the play calling whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
It's so stagnant.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
You come out in the first half and it looks
like you are just going to steamroll the Cowboys, and
then how does that happen in the second half, Like
there's no adjustments at any point.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (34:26):
It's crazy that Philadelphia goes three and out at the
highest rate in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Which I did not know that not only they've gotten
at the highest rate since any team in the NFL
since twenty fourteen.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
This was from Dennis Felman on all people.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Oh yeah, that's crazy the twenty fourteen Raiders, by the way,
if anyone can name any part of that team.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Though, well, the culture trying to catch up in the
second half.
Speaker 8 (34:51):
Just I love what you said about that, Colleen, about
just how many playmakers they have relative to the production
level that we would expect from this versus what they're
not getting. They're in the bottom third of the NFL
in both rushing and passing success rate. And we know
that this team is predicated on how it runs the ball,
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but it seemed like they got so dependent on having
an outlier or at least above average run game. And
it is not, like I said, lower third of the
NFL in rushing success rate, so you when you don't
have that normally, they could hide their passing game a
couple weeks in a row behind some complaints obviously and
all of that, but like they could also hide that
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behind a below or in a very above average run
game that lifted the entire floor of the operation and
also converted these these downs that they're not getting right
now and extending these drives and all of that. And
I think that when you see that, you see how
much substance they should have, but how hollow they actually are.
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And that is that's really tough. I want to excite
to let.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
You know, that's a that's a great analogy, though, thank you.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
I want to say so.
Speaker 8 (36:02):
Like Eagles columnists, the retired Les Bowen Love legendary.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
And he's great on Twitter.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
Yes, and that's exactly.
Speaker 8 (36:10):
I'm so glad you you mentioned that, because like legendary guy,
and he's still part of the conversation. He weighs in
a lot, and he obviously knows all of the coach
speak and everything. And he translated translates it abou as
well as any columnist has ever done, I think, on
any beat in any market. And he said this, and
I thought it was telling when Nick sirian He said
it on Blue Sky. He said, when nicks Ariani says,
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it's never just one thing or one person's fault, as
was the tone Nick Sirianni took after the Dallas loss,
What I with less hears is we can't fix this
when it's never any one person's fault. What he hears
is we can't fix this. And I'm like, that's that's stark.
That means there's too many holes to patch in his mind.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
I think the offensive line not being a difference maker,
just to your point, sort of makes the rest of
it look hollow. You have a good left tackle in
my latta, but there's questions now everywhere else since Lane
Johnson isn't there.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
It banged the others banged to week.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
The thing is they do do some things well, like
I've I was thinking about this. They they've turned into
Jalen Hurts as a pert, like as an offense, They've
turned into Jalen Hurts because they are monsters in the
red zone. And one of the reasons why I was
I was trying to figure out, like, how are some
of these numbers so stark the worst three and out
rate since the twenty fourteen Raiders with our friend MJD
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collecting his last NFL paycheck behind dark, I.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
Didn't know how how relative relative to history?
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Bad crazy Tony Sperano rest in peace coaching, coaching that
Raiders team, and I'm like, how are they even as
good as they are? And it's because every time they
get in the red zone they score because he is
one of the best red zone quarterbacks that we've ever seen,
in large part because of his legs, but he's made
good decisions too, and they just don't turn the ball over.
And that is Jalen Hurts in a nun is that
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he is a little too tentative just not ripping it
into those zone coverages. But he does not make mistakes
and so it's just this. You just don't know what
to do, but you know it should be better when
you're paying all these guys and there's this much talent here.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Offensively to me, it may be completely fixable.
Speaker 7 (38:18):
But you've got a mobile quarterback and a tough guy, right,
Jalen Hurts is a tough dude. Get him out of
the pocket a little bit. Press the line of scrimmage.
He Dak Prescott does right when he runs. He doesn't
just float. He presses the line of scrimmage and gets
a defender to commit and then usually opens up a
void to throw it in.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
They don't do that. Man.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Were they doing that with Kellen Moore?
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I was trying to remember, all, look, I Kellen Moore,
you should go to Dallas. Maybe so Kellen Moore would.
Speaker 8 (38:42):
Drop Jalen Hurts like sixteen steps back behind.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
The lo's of vision seven.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Man.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I feel like we had this conversation at various points
with almost every one of their coordinators except maybe Stichen,
who early on it was a little slow, but basically
that was a moonshot ride and that was the best thing.
Speaker 7 (38:59):
That way shorter quarterback and that was the whole thing.
You know, back when Russell Wilson first came. He was
a shotgun take in seven step drops. You have to
throw it eighteen yards to get the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
But this is a great test because the way it's
got to be called, and they're playing a defense that
they should be able to score against.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
The Bears are not creating much pressure.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
We'll see. We've been waiting week after week.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Is this game where Kyler Gordon or Jalen Johnson come
back for the Bears because they lost. I believe Tyrek
Stevenson got hurt last week last game? Did he and
I think he did.
Speaker 7 (39:32):
I'm not positive on that. But let's let's go to the
Bears offensively though. I mean, their offensive line is playing and.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
So Jon and Jackson's little banged up, little banged up.
Speaker 7 (39:40):
So this is why I'm interested, because the Eagles defensive
front was so good up until they they came up
against Dallas. This is a pride thing. Now, Okay, are
they gonna dial this back up and start doing some
things against the Bears. We know we're gonna go a
lot twelve or thirteen type of personnel. They will match
up with that because they've got the linebackers to be
able to do that. But I just want to see
again how this front for the Eagles, how they doubt
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this up because you know, Big Fangio is going to
do some stuff to make you know, Caleb Williams eyes cross.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
A little bit.
Speaker 8 (40:06):
And what I think Ben Johnson's going to do in
response is exactly what we saw Brian Schottenheimer do with
Dak Prescott is boot him out, move him around, boot
him out, get him running on some of these like
nakeds and things like that, and move his launch point
around to really attack what Colleen mentioned was just a
totally battered secondary right now. Yeah, And I feel like
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like I was talking to my good friend Kevin Fishbain
who works with me over at the Athletic and just
wrote a great feature about where Ben Johnson's Good, Better
Best comes from and trace its lineage back and like
pretty cool story, and he was talking he was talking
about like that every week the floor gets a little
bit higher for this team. We saw some Bears teams
in the past where when their floor would drop out
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from under them, there was no bottom, right like it
just they would they would get they would get close
to their floor and chaos. Woul happened, and they wouldn't
swing it back positive. Now when they're in some of
these close games, especially at the end, you feel like
these Bears teams are starting to know how to win
these games versus because I think this will be close,
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I think, I agree, an absolute dogfight, and I think
that this is one of those where you really see, situationally,
how much more developed or how much I guess higher
the floor is for a Bears team that's I think,
out record wise outperforming what a lot of its advanced
statistics say. But they're figuring out how to win games
and that is almost more important for them right now
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than what a lot of these metric rankings are.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
And a big game four CJ. Gardner Johnson, Yeah, start timer, start.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
The timer, Philly, that that could actually be a serious
situation just because of the way that he left Philly.
He was unhappy with it, and now he might come back.
Like we always roll our eyes at revenge games, but.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
Real one.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
That's a great point because one thing about the Bears,
they are just rewriting the takeaway books. They are taking
the ball away at an an ordinate rate, and I
think the top three interception leaders in the NFL despite
all the injuries in the top four are like are
like with the Bears, Yeah, I mean Kevin Bayer, like
all these guys are.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
So and their linebackers are hurt, like right, I don't.
Speaker 6 (42:16):
Think people to understand that Johnson.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Exactly like two j Edwards and just that whole grouped.
I do think the health of the secondary is going
to be important. So Jalen Johnson was not playing last week.
They have they activated his practice window for a couple
of weeks, so both him and Kyler Gordon have been
practicing to come off. I are but they haven't been
back in the game. I do wonder if they've been waiting.
Maybe this is the week that it happens. And then
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Tyreek Stevenson, their other starter, like got hurt too, So
they're just down big and shout out to Nashan Wright
who has been making plays, yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
You know, day after day.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
And look, if you were a fan of Last Chance You,
he he was kind of a secondary character in Last
Chance You because he's the brother of Rajeon Wright, who
also made it to the NFL. And and people I
think know this lately because the coach for that season,
John Beama, tragically killed like on campus, and he was
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such a captivating guy and it was very emotional for
Nashon Wright after he had an interception a couple of
weeks ago, and he's talked about just honoring John Beeman
Man that season of last year's he was one of
my favorite like seasons of quote unquote reality like ever
and I hate that the other coach from Last Chance
You is the one that everyone knows who's an idiot?
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Who I'm forgetting about right now? It was just like
a total yeah, yeah that guy. Don't don't confuse the two.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
Greg.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
By the way, you asked if anyone could name anyone
from the twenty fourteen Raiders. Yeah, I did say that
Drew Christensen is checking in again, and he says that
might remember that that team started zero to ten and
then beat the Chief on Thursday Night Football for their
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first win of the year. And it was Derek Carr's
rookie season.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
And first win.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
How about that time machine.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
Run the mc Darren McFadden on that.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Oh yeah, he's a good player. Who's the who is
the quarterbackings start of the season? Was it Jason Campbell.
I don't think Derek.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
Started the whole his rookie.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Okay, Bears fans, you wanna you want to really get
in the mix, go win this game. Caleb a little
up and down last week, but I thought it was
good prep for him. He had his fastest time to
throw all season by far. It was clearly a game plan.
With his left tackle gone, he got out of the
got rid of the ball quickly. It wasn't a perfect game,
but it was good enough. And they're getting their rookies.
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Luther Burden in Colston Loveland ten targets combined. Uh in
that game? So really good Black Friday game.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Who hates hearing that? Because you know they're getting their
rookies involved on like his Raiders.
Speaker 6 (45:00):
I'm I'm picking the Bears.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Okay, I will takes at home, but I definitely don't
trust them to cover a home.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (45:08):
I'm the I'm Colleen the loan, I'm the loan.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
You are loan Rod.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
But what what.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Hey, we've reached the most important part of the show.
Go it's the soup draft.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Go how many rounds?
Speaker 1 (45:25):
I we usually plan these things out. We're just gonna
do one round because I want to put pressure that
you have to I'll go last.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
Why don't we go.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Why don't we go?
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Ladies first, Colleen can get the one. Pick one, let's
go in order.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
That's it? Wow?
Speaker 4 (45:37):
All right, well, okay, do you guys want to do
two rounds?
Speaker 6 (45:39):
I think I thought I don't need any prep on I.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Know, I just thought not about prep. It was more
pressure that you got to make a really hard choice.
And also I would have brought this up ahead.
Speaker 6 (45:50):
Any soup is an easy choice, Greg Bear.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
I would have brought this up before, but I know
how Eric would have hated this segment idea, so I
just had to.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Be a surprise. Go too deep then?
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Oh god, that is can't it?
Speaker 5 (46:02):
Wow?
Speaker 6 (46:03):
No, stop, stop stop.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
Okay, it's very easy for me there.
Speaker 5 (46:09):
I Since I love soup so much, I could go
in so many different directions. But there is one soup
that I can never say no to if I see
it on a menu, and it's not going to be
a popular number one overall pick. So congratulations to you guys.
It's broccoli Cheddar is mine?
Speaker 4 (46:24):
Ober?
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (46:25):
Overall pick?
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Definitely? Oh my god, no, definitely.
Speaker 5 (46:29):
It's a little lunch box on Drexel's campus right on
thirty fourth that NAT had the absolute best broccoli Cheddar.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
It was the number one hangover cure.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
It can be great. It's not like an La soup.
You got to have that on a cold day on
the East Coast. But it's like any soup. I think
it made well. It can earn that number one pick.
But streets are saying it's a reach, little little heavy.
It's my draft, Jordan's.
Speaker 8 (46:53):
I'm going butternut squash, good fall pick sound draft returns.
Butternut squash is my number one over.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
That's a good one in my mine is simple. That's
the Italian wedding.
Speaker 7 (47:03):
Baby, I'm not really a huge fan.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
I'm a huge Italian wedding. Eric.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Would you describe yourself as disgusted so far?
Speaker 4 (47:14):
Do you think less of Steve as a man?
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Nothing against?
Speaker 7 (47:20):
You can think whatever he wanted me if I get
some Italian wedding right, he gets.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Greg, what's your pick?
Speaker 1 (47:29):
I'm trying to think, should I a strategy on something
that someone else could take, or take what I believe
should be the one I think you gotta go. I'm
gonna go for like a student tofu soup at like
a Korean So you can add it, now what you
add to it, because they'll last like, what do you
want with it? Like, do you want it with pork
or dumplings, kim chi whatever? I think I'm gonna go
(47:50):
with the dumplings because that it kind of combines it all.
But that is some hot and spicy, bubbling soup because
you get.
Speaker 4 (47:58):
The kimchi's in it. Anyway, you know, I love it.
Speaker 5 (48:01):
What about a soup dumpling? I mean, that's pretty good.
That's not my pick.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
That's that's why it's it's sort of combined. I like
it all.
Speaker 6 (48:08):
Regularly.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Now you can you can you had the worst.
Speaker 5 (48:13):
The second round, but with the fifth overall pick in
the twenty twenty five soup draft, I am taking chili.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
That was my question. Is it chili or aunt? Make it?
Speaker 6 (48:29):
Make it a chili?
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Is a chili? Last week?
Speaker 6 (48:33):
That's not an I was wondering count all the time.
Speaker 8 (48:38):
But chili consistency, the consistency of chili as a non
broth based concoction is more of a stew like texture
versus a soup.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
I was this is actually I'm sorry to do this,
but this is like when the Vikings took too long
to make their pick and then they got skipped in
the drafts.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
Actually, Jordan is going to go.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
You have to regroup and you can tell you can
take another pick after.
Speaker 4 (49:06):
As a stew.
Speaker 5 (49:06):
Wait a second, then I will take Ramen? Or is
that a problem to Romans?
Speaker 1 (49:10):
A soup wasn't your turn but because of the rules,
But we'll take that.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Chili should count. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (49:19):
Chili is a stew.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
I think ultimately the clock is sticking based.
Speaker 8 (49:24):
Chicken tortilla, Baby, chicken tortilla all the way up in
this system here, I love it. Weird, clean out my sinuses, baby, Okay.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
J Maican pumpkin soup.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
What spicy, sweet and spicy?
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Little got a great consistency, get you going right there?
Speaker 8 (49:52):
Lots of fiber, that's pretty good.
Speaker 6 (49:57):
Okay, Greg, you're on the.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Clock, your last one. I think, well, oh yeah, she
picked m Yeah, Drew, what is it that you said
to me? How many rounds to what you can get
on the mic till?
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Colleen?
Speaker 4 (50:08):
Uh, you get your pick? No, she got her pick.
It was Ramen. It was wrong. We'll get We'll get it.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
This is tough last pick of the draft. I mean,
like the ultimate test when you're at.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
A lobster bisk is still on the.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
Or there's so much.
Speaker 4 (50:24):
There's so many, like mots of ball. Soup is out
there the ultimate test of the Chinese.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
I get a hot and summer soup every time, but
I think for value, I also get a wanton too.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
Sometimes I'll get both. But but hot and sour.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
You have to test that every place you go, because
that's the ultimate test if that's going to be a
good But I just think for value and overall versatility
and everything, you got to take far here. I mean, yes,
you can't let that go. That's like, that was hard
to choose between those two.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
I'm shocked that.
Speaker 6 (50:55):
I just want them all.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
I want them.
Speaker 7 (50:59):
I don't know, man, apologize, you are what little lentil?
Speaker 8 (51:05):
Oh? I love a lentil soup. Yeah, but but yeah,
I would yeah, I would take.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
That you'd like to throw in.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
He's just so you know.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Would have been controversial, but I think it would be
a good mid to late round draft pick for value.
I didn't need you guys to be prepped for that.
You guys have been prepping your whole freaking lives.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
You know what else?
Speaker 1 (51:26):
You're ready for tomorrow's preview show. It's going to be
a little bit different because we need to get out
of here.
Speaker 4 (51:33):
At some point before the holiday, we're going to put
a clock on our preview.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
We're gonna have one thing that's going to blow your
mind for each game, five minutes per game. Looking forward
to that until then. Yes, you want to throw any
other soups out there that didn't come out.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
I don't like it.
Speaker 6 (51:53):
I like the broth of it. I love any broth.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Maybe put our drafts up. People get Greid, who came
in second place behind me.
Speaker 6 (52:01):
Something with lemongrass, beef, lemongrass ginger.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
Hell yeah, he's where the fig. You gotta get some
lemon grass.
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we recognize Thanksgiving. That's the
best holiday on the board. I'm Greg Rosenthal, and I'm
talking to a group of skeptical people, Steve Weiss, Colleen Wolf,
and Jordan rod Rig You're not with me.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
No, no, okay, I'm leaning all in.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
It's good.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
It's ours.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
There's not as much like pressure, you know. It's just
like food. It's centered around.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
The food, making food, and then we'll be defined on
the recipe and how you execute it.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
That's a little bit of appeals, right, you know it? Well, Colleen,
you know the bigger issue with Thanksgiving is to clean up. Oh,
because people will bail in a heartbeat.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I can't with people who don't clean as they go.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Plus you know it. Plus you know what else? Thanksgivings
what it's American? You know, Christmas? I mean, what's caused
more strife and world history than religion that could divide
the people?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Thanksgiving?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
She brings it togetheriving the colonization.
Speaker 6 (01:08):
Yeah, yeah, it is, it is American.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Climb in the bed and read about it at night
too and feel real.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Okay, I've lost my notes.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I'm just going nuts, said Steve a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
This is our Thanksgiving show, and this is going to
be the same crew for our Week thirteen preview. We're
really making some progress here. We're into the teens. But yes,
it is a double show day. The shows will go
up separate though, and man, we've got bangers on Thanksgiving.
I do want to warn you early in the show.
We are also going to tack on just a little
(01:42):
segment at the end. Colleen suggested this as a joke
over text, but I'm taking her up on that. We
will be drafting soup. What is the best soup at
the Eric famously last week said he did not believe
soup was masculine, and.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Essentially, I did not say not mastering.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I just feel like it's a waste. Like if you're
going on in your orders soup, what are you doing?
He knows what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
He said, it's not really like a thing that men
should be doing.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
The soup is for women.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, thing that we said, Yes, that's what you're.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna prove how great
soup is one of the great things that you can
have in the world food Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
So we'll wrap the show. That's what people are going
to Thanksgiving dinner for soup.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
No, it's the soup actually has nothing to do really
with the Thanksgiving show, but it's food.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
The soup came up last week and let's talk.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
Paul Greg just blowing up the group.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Chat Packers Lions.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
This is potentially the best Thanksgiving slate since I've worked
here at NFL Network, but that's like thirteen years. And
in this game in particular, Packers Lions might be as
import in a game as we've had on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Ever.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Really, these two teams, Steve, who both started the year
with real Super Bowl hopes, And I'm not saying it's over,
but whoever who loses this game is in a tough situation.
They're really gonna be in third place in this division
with not that many games to go.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
It means a lot.
Speaker 7 (03:19):
For both these well, especially Detroit because in Green Bay
would have to sweep over them if it does come
down to a tiebreaker swords, so that's huge. And I
think this is gonna play out the same way because
as much as the Lions can look good and this
and that their offensive line is not what it was,
they lost some people. They've had some injury issues. A
couple of guys are really held together by tape, you know,
(03:40):
and so that Packers defront they're they're coming for you,
and they're they're getting better overall. So I think if
this is gonna play out just like the first game
and Michael Parsons just showed up like Okay, I'm gonna
wreck everything, I think it could play out the exact
same way.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
And the Packers defense is coming to this game playing
very well, coming off one of their best games. I
should have mentioned we don't have Patrick here, who usually
is like reading the.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Lines and the announcers and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
It's it's a two and a half point line, and
of course because it's Thanksgiving, it's it's the most watched
games all year.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
You got the A team with Tom Brady and Burchard.
Speaker 8 (04:15):
Yeah, maybe it's striking how we've always known Jared Goff
in pressure do not go well together, right, We've always
known that, But it's so striking, especially with what Steve
mentioned is the issues with the offensive line. How dramatic
the jextaposition is with Jared Goff when he is getting
pressured and the Packers are doing it in a variety
of ways outside inside sending blitz. They're sending sims like
(04:36):
they're where it looks like they're gonna pressure, but then
they back off like it's just there. It's very confusing
for any quarterback to handle. Jared Goff is completing just
forty six percent of his passes against pressure with pronection stats,
two touchdowns, two interceptions. When he's clean without pressure eighty
percent completed passes, nineteen touchdowns and two interceptions. So the
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name of the game for for Green Bay is hassel
and worry Jared Roff. Do everything you can to contain
Jamiir Gibbs, who's playing lights out right now.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Well, that's exactly what I was going to say.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
I'm not sure how when they have Michael Parsons able
to put this much pressure on the quarterback and then
play this well against the run. How I mean, Obviously,
the Lions generate so many points and they have so
many different things that they can do, But with Jamiir
Gibbs being such a big part of the offense's success
and Jared Goff in general, how are they going to
(05:30):
get things going? Because I think that the defense for
the Packers is really going to be the star of
the show. On Thanksgiving when we're used to Dan Campbell
kind of being the guy and pulling things off. Because
it was that Thanksgiving game how many years ago now
where if they didn't where is it the Bills that
they were playing. They didn't quite win the game, but
it was the first time where everyone was like, oh
(05:51):
my god, wait the Lions.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
They've put up a decent fight here and they looked
really good.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
And then after that it was the second half of
the season that they completely took off, and.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
That is a great memory.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
They lost that game twenty eight to twenty five, and yes,
then they won five out of their next Bix games
to finish that season nine and eight.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
How about the big brain eye, Colleen, that's great.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Everyone is shocked, including Colleagen.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
Look, it's one of the few times we were like, wow,
that your good Lions Thanksgiving game, because usually was like, okay,
let's just blow through that until we get to the
Cowboys game.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
But now it's mussy television. Jamiir Gibbs.
Speaker 7 (06:26):
The first time they played nine carries nineteen yards, that's different.
I mean they're a different football team right now. So
the Packers, I mean, if they clog up the middle
of that of that line, there's gonna be no lanes
for Gibbs to hit.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
My head agrees with all that, and I think the
Packers are coming into this game overall having more answers,
and yet these teams are close enough to me. I
do think, you know, forget about you know, holiday magic,
Thanksgiving magic for the Lions as a home team. And yes,
Jamir Gibbs at a point last week where you know,
I saw someone point out like that game last week,
(07:00):
like that's what it was like being around when when
Barry was around, like a game where running back can
just put you completely on his back. And if there
is a way to attack this Packers defense, They're good
overall in general, but I'd rather do it on the ground.
He is playing a higher percentage of snaps than he's
ever played, He's getting a higher percentage of touches than
he's ever done, And so can I see Jamir Gibbs
(07:23):
just having a moment here on Thanksgiving. And when I
look at these teams overall, even though there's some weaknesses
here with the Lions, they seem like a pair of
teams that should split. And so I'm just believing in
like the Holiday magic of it all. Somehow Detroit finds
a way because that's that's a great home fan base.
Last week they were chanting, let's go Lions, let's go
(07:44):
Lines while they're losing to the Giants. I don't think
there's another fan base in the league that wouldn't be
like so sad and disappointing them. Owment Instead they're lifting
up their team.
Speaker 7 (07:53):
No paper bags anymore, No, no paper bags. I mean
that's what Dan Campbell's got this team. This is gonna
be a good game. And you know what, the Lions defense.
This gives them credit.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Oh I love this defense.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
I mean the way they're they're playing, they're not going
to make it easy for Jordan Love. Adon Hutchinson is
playing as well as any edge rusher outside of Miles
Gear in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (08:10):
It's fantastic to see the combination of talent and coaching
meet at each other, where it has for Detroit's defense
this year under Calvin Sheppard.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
These guys play fast, they're tough.
Speaker 8 (08:22):
Even when they were known as the Legion of Whom
when they were missing and they've been missing so many
people in the secondary self self named also like that.
They they just brought it every single week, and they
really have been such a steadying force until last week.
Until last week, but I mean, jamis game weird stuff. Okay,
(08:42):
I'm gonna call that one an outlier on this season,
and it's this defense is so excellent and we cannot
forget guys. Jordan Love is playing with like basically one
working arm right now and just even handing on, handing
out off with the opposite arm last week, So you
really have to watch out for that in this game.
Speaker 9 (08:58):
Quickly does Kelvin Sheppard gets of interviews even if he's
this is exactly where he's going exactly like not he
may not get a head coach job, but a lot
of people do these interview these guys like Okay, maybe
not this year, but next year we will have on
our radar.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Well.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
Just the way that he is on the sideline, I
feel like that his energy is so palpable and you
can see how his players respond to him. Aaron Glenn
was the same type of way in Detroit, but to
see Kelvin Shepard in that role is just, I don't know,
it's different. He has this like aura about him, almost
like I want to run through a wall for him.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
It's a little bit of Rob Robert Sala.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
When he was.
Speaker 8 (09:34):
If Athley is going to be a darling of this
coaching cycle the way a lot of people are projecting
him to be, Kelvin Shepherd should be right up there
with him because of the job that he's done.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Well this This will be a big showcase for him
on Thanksgiving because I do think the Giants expose a
few things, Like in their zone coverage last week. You
got to be a talented quarterback to hit those honey
hole shots. Yeah, over and over in the zone, and
Jamous just kept doing it, and Jordan Love can do that,
do it and then some and I do think their
(10:04):
receiver group Dobbs and Watson like people are kind of
falling into the roles that they should be. And we'll
see if Josh Jacobs plays in this game. But it's
gonna be a real test. I think it could be
a little bit of a score fest despite all the talent.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
I think it's all defense.
Speaker 8 (10:19):
I think it's all defense, and I think Green Bay's
defense has to take over this game early, and if
they do, then they'll win.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
My favorite rep of the entire Packers game last week
was when Michael Parsons kind of selflessly blows up the
middle of the Giants, not the Giants, the Vikings offensive
line in absolutely steam rolls two interior alignment and he
knows like he's just taken one for the team on
a stunt. So I think it was Rashan Gary or
(10:46):
one of the defensive tackles comes in and gets the sack.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
And Gary is playing well that way.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
And when you have that sort of buy in, I
think from Parsons, who's just doing everything right now, like
I have showcase for him too.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
A lot of guys should freelance and try and get
the tackle. He's like, nope, let me pick the guy.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
The other guy gives the play human big day for
Brady too. You know, I think he's progressed this year.
I think he's better as an announcer. They moved this
game from twelve thirty to one Eastern, which I didn't like.
I like that it was always so early on Thanksgiving,
but now and now it's at one, and so Brady
a little bit of a showcase. Like I said, uh,
the two most watched games of the year will are
(11:20):
very often these two games. And yes they're saying that
the most watched game maybe of all time after Thursday.
It's kind of the expectations will be Chiefs Cowboys. Chiefs
are three and a half point underdogs. By the way,
am I the only one taking the Lions?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
There?
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I'll make you guys pick this this week.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
I'm taking the packers.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I'm going pack all the Lions.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
The Lions with you.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Colleen was in a tough spot because I know what
Colleen's move is with all the picks. She just like
to be the one person that takes the opposite Yo.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
It's with the Falcon put out for yo.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
Gras they put out, he was like, whoa, I saw that.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
It's just like all right, and I guess I'll go
with it too, but like that's kind of racing, that's
a little It.
Speaker 8 (12:05):
Was a social media manager's version of the U up text.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I know. I was like hr because it was like
Falcons administered.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
I absolutely loved it.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
And if you're watching on YouTube, you can check it
out and look, it's on everyone else.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
By the way, that works for NFL network.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Why was only one person taking the freaking Atlanta Falcons
over the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Give me a break?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Okay, okay, onto the big game Chiefs Cowboys, loving that
it's coming at this particular point in the season. Chiefs
favored by three and a half points in Dallas. We
have the CBS crew with Nance and Romo. You say
wow because you think that's a lot for the Chiefs
(12:50):
to be favored by or a little and I and
I say Steve that I love that it's at this
point in the season because the Cowboys, I think right
now have done the thing that the Cowboys always do,
which is they got their fans hopes up there actually
is there is a path here where you can see
that they're a pretty complete team. The Chiefs are coming off,
you know, maybe their most important win of the entire season.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
What made you say wow?
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Because it's in Dallas, because the home game, you know,
the three the Chiefs being the favorite there, and like,
this game is going to be so good because both
of these teams. A loss for either one of these teams,
it's not it, but especially for Dallas, that's kind of
it because that's where the tie will work against that'll
count more so is a loss and it will as
a win. But I just think this is one where
(13:38):
the Cowboys as well as they're playing defensively.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Don't have an answer for Mahomes with his feet.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
I know overshown can cover a lot of ground, but
this is where Patrick Mahomes can come to line of scrimmage,
get overshown to come dump it in over his head
body And I think for she Rice going back home
is going to do his thing. But man, Dallas, they're
playing so well on both sides of the ball. You
know who knew that not skinny Quinn Williams individually.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Was going to work.
Speaker 7 (14:06):
Oh, I love it, But the fact that he tandems
with Kenny Clark, they are destroying offensive lines together.
Speaker 8 (14:13):
I see Jordan m m Yes, I was the lone
voice here who actually really really admired what the Cowboys
did and in that trade, bringing in Quinn Williams and
making sure that they're setting themselves up not just to
try to get better through the course of this season,
but for twenty twenty six to actually be a complete
unit when the season starts.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
And they're playing so much better. They have improved.
Speaker 8 (14:35):
I'm not willing to put my faith in this defense
all the way yet, no, but they are playing much improved.
And the second thing that I absolutely love, one of
my most favorite things that I've I've learned being on
this show is I love having my priors confirmed by
my priors about Brian Schottenheimer.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Oh yeah, he was gonna be fine.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (14:53):
And this offense and how much fun it is and
how like. The thing that is great about this offense
to me isn't just that they're productive and explosive, right,
and that Dak's playing great. The run game's good. They're
a matchup offense. They can hurt you and morph around
your vulnerabilities. They just did it to the Eagles. We
(15:14):
were talking last week about them needing to break tendency
and run some really efficient play action and really pick
their spots for Dak's play action, and he had one
hundred and seventy four yards off of play action passes,
almost half of his passing yards last week, even though
they don't like to run it a ton with him,
and they still stayed true to their rate of usage
while maximizing the spots that they picked to particularly attack
(15:37):
where the Eagles had shown some vulnerability. They are a
matchup team the way that you want a matchup team
to be formed when it makes a playoff run. But
they're doing it right now because they really have nothing
to lose. Yeah, and it's so much fun to watch.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
I think that Dak Prescott will outduel Patrick Mahome in
this game. I just think Ceede Lamb George Pickens has
been playing so well and Ceede Lamb's going to want
some of those plays back from last week. It's at home,
and like you mentioned, they're underdogs, so this would be
a home upset for them, and it will.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
I'll due him in yards or like impact plays and
the timing of the impact play.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
The timing of the impact.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
But you know what, and this is also Patrick Mahomes'
first time starting at at and T Stadium.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
He's never which is kind of an interesting even in.
Speaker 10 (16:28):
High school those championships down there, that's hard to believe, right,
Or maybe it is the first time he's starting there
in the NFL after having started there before, because it
wouldn't make sense that he was never there in high school.
Speaker 7 (16:41):
See, this is where you know you talk about Dak
in the matchups and things like this, Like other than
Sean Paton, which coach loves the screen game more than anyone,
Andy Reid, I think he's gonna screen the Cowboys. Yeah,
I think this is going to be one of these
games where a Kareem Hunt be the tight end, be
it Ra she Rice, be a Worthy are going to screen.
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They're gonna do these ten play drives, you know, type
of things that we see them do from time to time,
and they're just gonna get them early on horizontal horizontal,
let's fatigue them then popliti.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
And they did that so well last week.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Ye they had a patient game plan and they ran
from under center way more than they have for the
rest of the season, and they were effective in like
moving the ball very slowly. They were back to that
Chief's offense. But we've kind of gotten sick of watching
the last few years. But it's crazy. The reason I
think their favorite is because, like the numbers love Kansas
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City this year in a way that they did not
like them at all last year. Because like, for instance,
they are one of the best three teams in a
stat which seems like it should matter yards per drive
of the last five years. The other two teams on
that list are other Chiefs teams, like and they are
moving the ball well, it just it's just taking a while.
So it's a great time for this to happen. Because
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it's such a good test because the Cowboys are really
playing well against the run in general. I know it's
only a two week sample, but ninth and EPA per
play overall over the last two weeks, and we're playing
better against the run really all season. That's just sort
of what their personnel looks like. And Quentin Williams is
coming off the most pressures he's ever had in an
NFL game like period was last week, and he has
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the most of any defensive tackle since he added So
you think it's all Quentinnin Williams and that's been huge,
But adding over shown adding Malie Cooker, who was also
adding Donovan Wilson, who was another starter who was also hurt.
Bland was out for a while at cornerback and is
now healthy again, so it's not just one guy, and
it's a really good test of like how patient they
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want to be with the running game Kansas City and
how they look without Trey Smith, which is a big
loss they're going to be without the.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
Real quickly when you were talking about how you know
the Chiefs go these long drives, yes, I could see
the air the idea bubble over Jeorde ted like cover
two shell.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
The problem is that's what That's what Patrick Mahomes I
know is so good at Yeah, it's just so annoying.
Speaker 10 (18:59):
Steve reads, Oh my God's beat deep.
Speaker 8 (19:03):
Also, I also loved what you said, Steve about the
screen game because you're probably not going to have a
lot of success. The Chiefs haven't had a lot of
success running the ball, especially between the tackles anyway this
year and so and you're going to have a hard time,
I think against the way that this mid season rebuild
of the defensive line has gone.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
For the Cowboys.
Speaker 8 (19:22):
So I like what you said about the screen game
because a lot of teams and Andy Reid it also
does this thinks about it as an extension of their
mid to wide zone. And so if you if you
know you're not going to get much movement in the
middle of the field, then you split out to the
sides and you just consider that as a part of.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Your run game.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
You're using more players in it as well, and that
I think is what's helping them, I think reassess the
space that they're attacking when they can't get much right
in front of them.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
By the way, I have the answer here, Patrick Mahomes
he played his final collegiate game at eighteen eighty and
through four five hundred and eighty six yards and six touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Thank you Drew Christiensen for the wow.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Who Texas SEC beat former Bailey researcher Ah was fast?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Good job, big one.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I'm curious too, how Spagnolo and Chris Jones in particular
play in this game, because last week it felt like
the Chiefs that we've known before. Yeah, in that Spagnolo
had so many different pressures in the second half of
that game that they it was gotta have it down,
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and he completely won the matchup after he figured out
what Chane Stikeen was doing, Like he had a great game,
and then Chris Jones got them off the field like
three times, like three.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Different times on third down. He was the guy.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
And so it's just that creeping feeling if you've watched
the NFL over the last seven years ago, this is
this happening again. But it's a really tough matchup against
this this Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Often, if.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
I don't want to do what the Chief's done, is
the dynasty over?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
I will?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I'm not gonna say.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
What I would they could survive like one more I
would like.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Like, damn, that's gonna be the rundown to I'm rooting.
I'm rooting for the Cowboys. So I'm just gonna take
the Cowboys just because I want. I want that feeling
of rooting for something that you almost know for sure
is not gonna happen. That's actually part of sports. That's
how I felt watching the Colts last I just build
them up to let them down. I just I just
I like, I almost know for sure they're going to lose,
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because that's just what happens. Like the Chiefs will win
this game, and I just want to be disappointed.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
I don't think you're right. I think that the Chiefs
all right, that the Cowboys will win.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
But I'm okay the Cowboys. I'm picking the Cowboys.
Speaker 8 (21:41):
Been on the Cowboys all year, so I gotta pick WHOA.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah, maybe maybe Cowboys mix it up a little bit. Mahomes'
numbers against me in coverage have been terrible this year. Yeah,
mix it up, Cowboys, mix it up.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
We also have.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
They they got some guys who can play man.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
A lot of the fell Dailiens out there listening to
this show. We got a couple more big games for
the Thanksgiving and Black Friday set up.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Will hit them after the break. We will also hit
that Super draft.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Oh yeah, a little lady for homework.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
But I don't need to go.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Back on NFL daily tension in the room with the
soup draft coming up. No, I'm kidding, there's no tension.
The vibes are great. It's a pre holiday vibe is
and I'm bathing in it before the best.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
Uh here, but bathing, But men don't take bath don't
take baths either.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Eric's okay. I will admit, Eric, don't you worry.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
I misattributed the manosphere take that Eric didn't believe that
men have super He just has his own completely horrible
take That soup is unnecessary.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
But it's not about the men. It's not.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
It never is.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
We'll get to that in the end.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
First we're going to get to uh, We're gonna get
to a game that is a little spicier than we expected,
you know, maybe a few weeks ago. Although if you
had said before the season that the Bengals would be
all but eliminated from playoff contention before this game, like
I would not have believed it. So it's better. But
it's not great. We also will not have Trey Hendrickson
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in this game. We will not have t Higgins in
this game. Zack Taylor of the Bengals did confirm that,
but he does expect Joe Burrow to play. The Bengals
are going to Baltimore on Thursday night. The Ravens are
favored by seven in this game. Now, Chris Collinsworth takes
off Thanksgiving, and I support that spending the time with
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the family, But I'm less excited about Jason Garrett being
on the call for this game with Tariko.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
Don't they get a lot of family time together anyway?
On the broadcast? How do you mean Chris and Jack Collinsworth?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Oh, there you go?
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Is Jack working the game?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
I don't think he has the something to take that
game off.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I'm surprised that the Ravens are favored, maybe by this month,
just because of how they have looked. How concerned Jordan
are you with how the Ravens have played offensively in
particular over the last month.
Speaker 8 (24:13):
Very concerned when you also factor in the equation that
Lamar Jackson is showing up on the practice report or
the injury report and practice this week again with something
completely This is a toe now and he's been banged
up all year. I don't trust the Bengals still defensively
at all, but they are coming off their best defensive
performance by by far leaps and bounds this season. This
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was kind of crazy looking this up because I knew
that the Ravens, and you see it with your eyes
every week watching how they've struggled to put any sort
of consistency or like total true dominance together drive over
drive on offense. They're nineteenth in EPA per play really
on offense, and.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Like this they should be primed for a bounce back game.
Speaker 8 (24:59):
I guess again, historically this season what we've seen against
the Bengals defense that minus last week, has allowed a
successful play on over half.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Of team of Bengals.
Speaker 8 (25:10):
So but but this is this Ravens team. I don't
quite know what to make of them identity wise, other
than they look like they're limping everywhere.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
And that's By the way, we talked about Lamar.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
First it was a knee, then ankled, and tow Judy
Battista put the heade. No very good post by Judy
on that I'm with you on the Ravens, just like
man Lamar just doesn't look right because when he's health
the game looks too easy to right, Like he's just
out there playing with everybody like he's grinding through whatever
he's grinding through. And then we're talking about Joe Burrow
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being back. Why are we not talking about Joe Chase
coming back. I like the Bengals in this game. Their
defense is going to be as terrible as it wants.
Those two You like them to win, I win. I'm
going upset here, that would be I'm going on well
because look the Ravens, they have been grated at home.
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They have not been consistently great. And I just think
Joe sisty he's coming back, He's not gonna be limpid.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
He's gonna be smoking, right, He's gonna be going It's
gonna be smoking. We'll find out. We will find out.
Those Ravens linebackers, I think.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
They'll pick on him a little bit. I think they're
gonna be able to run a little bit on the Ravens.
D I I like Joe, I like Joe, I like
tight End.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
I do feel like this is a game where it's
the night cap on Thanksgiving. Everyone's sort of already thinks
that the Bengals are sort of done and they're they're washed,
they're played. At this point, they like they have a
tiny little chance to get back in things, and it's
like everything has to.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Go the right way.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
But that's the kind of thing that happens on these
like island games and primetime games, especially Thanksgiving when all
of you, like your family is there. And I can't
even imagine what that would cause if the Bengals upset
the Ravens at home Thanksgiving night.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
What happened in Baltimore. We don't want to know.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
That's a scary crowd there. They have had the best.
I just mean I got up for that.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
It's great environment.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
The environment.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
It's all with the great environment.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
You know, out fits and everything it is. It is incredible.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
This is just us trying to uh have Eric's back here.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
There we go. I uh.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Their game press honestly though, it's the best. It's the
best in the girl's I mean, it's so fun. They
lean into everything and there's so much to look at
before Like, they do an incredible job. If you ever
get a chance to go to a Ravens game, go
it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
And I think this is the best rivalry in terms
of quarterbacks that I've seen of two guys in the
same division. Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes are in different divisions,
but they do play like once or twice a year usually,
And you know, Patrick, or rather Tom Brady and Peyton
Manning like that was incredible at the time, but if
you go look at the performances that these two do
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have had when they've gone up against each other, it
is incredible. Especially last season it was next level. And yeah,
I hope Joe Burrow can deliver. He's coming off of
an injury. He's always really struggled in September. He's very
often struggling to come off an injury in September and
not played pretty well. And this is almost a similar
type of spot because he's coming out. So I hope
he's not rusty for lack of a better word, and
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Lamar absolutely is. He has seventy five yards rushing in
the last four weeks. The first play of last week's
game was an RPO where he kept it and the
Jets just like we're like, go man, and you see
the yellow line, which is imaginary and Lamar's just like
breaks creeping up to it like you see it on
the broadcast. That's not in real life. It's actually just
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like a broad and it looked like it was a
force field. There's like there's ten yards of green grass
in front of him, and it looked like a force
field that he's tiptoeing and he's hesitant, and then eventually
he finally goes and then he gets hit pretty hard
because he was so hesitant. Like that is not the
Lamar that I loved. And I think part of it
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is too that the passing games not having any flow.
Isaiah likely has one hundred and twenty yards this season.
Kylan Wallace and DeAndre Hopkins are out there for a
lot of the game.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Tes Walker like, it's just it's just uneven.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
And so we'll see if the Bengals, who have looked
a little better on defense.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (29:20):
Here's the thing this Bengals team.
Speaker 8 (29:23):
I know everybody's excited about Joe Burrow coming back, and
first of all, everyone please keep.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
Their saliva in their mouths.
Speaker 8 (29:29):
With Jamar Chase coming back, I will say, like this
just is ripe to me for the exact scenario that
Joe Burrow himself would have been facing all season anyway
if he had been healthy with which is maybe they
get close enough offensively to stay in a game like this,
but the defense will let them down in the end.
This has been last week was the exception, not the
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rule of this Bengals team. And I just think we're
going to see a pissed off Joe Burrow back in
the sort of the Hell's cycle, partially of his own
creation here.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
And ultimately they gave up a ton to the Patriots
when they needed to get stops in that game.
Speaker 7 (30:06):
I mean, I mean every yeah, I mean, that's that's
what the Bengals do. Their defense is terrible. I just
think this is one where the Ravens have been so inconsistent.
There will be a couple of punts by them, you know,
and if the Bengals have more possessions than them, I'm
taking Joey Burrow and Jamar Chase and I'll say this.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
You know a lot of people like, why is Joe
Burrow even coming back? Because you know the team's not good,
You're not gonna go to the playoffs. This is what
players do, right.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
Players would rather be fined than miss a game, right,
They only get seventeen of them a year. And to
see Joe Burrow work as hard as he did to
come back from the team that's already stuck.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
You know. We may say, well, he's getting paid a
lot of money, that's what he's supposed to do.
Speaker 7 (30:47):
This goes to show you how game he is, you know,
and I want people to understand.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
This is what This is how football players are. Yeah,
like that is how they are. Wise.
Speaker 8 (30:55):
I guarantee you he's not thinking about the game check.
He's thinking about getting that sick feeling out of his
stomach finally, and it's gonna be.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Like Thanksgiving night with him back on the field, returning
from this injury that seemed like it was he wasn't
gonna play at all at first when he first got hurt,
and then it's like, oh, he might be back in time.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
For the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
It's just this whole season for the Bengals has been
so I want to say it's a roller coaster, but
there haven't been a lot of ups. It's just closely downs.
But coming back on Thanksgiving Night with Chase there, with
te Hagen there, there's.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Just something about it. It is feeling kind of like
their Super Bowl. He had a quote and he kind
of announced his return. I'm not going to live my
life and play this game scared of what might happen,
you know. And one thing that has changed for this team.
They were one of the worst rushing teams of all time.
We were talking about it in September. They've been awesome
running the ball week after week. Chase Brown has been
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playing well, so the offense Joe Flacco slowed down a
little bit, but I think overall there's the pieces there
for them to play well. Kyle Hamilton, by the way,
was back at practice, as was Lamar Jackson on the
estimated report on Tuesday, So they're gonna be playing and yeah,
it's up It's up to Lamar to prove that he
can do it even when he's protected. There was no
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pass rush on him last week and they still struggled.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Let's pick that. Are you the only one taking the Bengals?
Speaker 6 (32:13):
I can't, Ravens.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I don't know why we're picking games on the Bengals. Yeah,
do it. Your picks have to be consistent, though, that
means you have to do it across every NFL property. Sorry,
we don't normally do that. Let's wrap up this previous
show with our Black Friday game.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Wow, this is a great one.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Bears going to Eagles.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Love this for the Bears as a real test of
where they're at, a step up in class. They had
a medium step up last week with the Steelers and
they ultimately passed it. And now this is another one.
The Eagles are favored by seven. We got it on
Amazon and then we got it on NFL Daily. Right afterwards,
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we're going to be doing a recap show of all
four games. Looking forward to that one. How are you
feeling about your Eagles, Colleen, as a heavy favorite with
everything going on against a team that's only lost three
games this year.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
I know it feels like they've lost a lot more
just based on all of the talk around the team,
but they are so inconsistent and it's on both sides
of the ball.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
And the collapse against.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
The Cowboys that's a huge hit for them.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
And now you have a short week.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Yes, they'll be home, and they had so many injuries
in the secondary and they lost three dvs in that game,
so that played a huge role.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Uba broke an angle not coming back reed blankenship. He
was hurt.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
I mean, this was this was not a good performance.
And this is a team that relies on their defense
when their offense is not giving what it should give
based on the playmakers that are on that team. And
still we had they we saw so many penalties that night,
like fourteen penalties. It just was that's coaching to me,
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This is they're undisciplined. But then there's no imagination to
the play calling whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
It's so stagnant.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
You come out in the first half and it looks
like you are just going to steamroll the Cowboys, and
then how does that happen in the second half, Like
there's no adjustments at any point.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (34:26):
It's crazy that Philadelphia goes three and out at the
highest rate in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Which I did not know that not only they've gotten
at the highest rate since any team in the NFL
since twenty fourteen.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
This was from Dennis Felman on all people.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Oh yeah, that's crazy the twenty fourteen Raiders, by the way,
if anyone can name any part of that team.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Though, well, the culture trying to catch up in the
second half.
Speaker 8 (34:51):
Just I love what you said about that, Colleen, about
just how many playmakers they have relative to the production
level that we would expect from this versus what they're
not getting. They're in the bottom third of the NFL
in both rushing and passing success rate. And we know
that this team is predicated on how it runs the ball,
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but it seemed like they got so dependent on having
an outlier or at least above average run game. And
it is not, like I said, lower third of the
NFL in rushing success rate, so you when you don't
have that normally, they could hide their passing game a
couple weeks in a row behind some complaints obviously and
all of that, but like they could also hide that
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behind a below or in a very above average run
game that lifted the entire floor of the operation and
also converted these these downs that they're not getting right
now and extending these drives and all of that. And
I think that when you see that, you see how
much substance they should have, but how hollow they actually are.
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And that is that's really tough. I want to excite
to let.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
You know, that's a that's a great analogy, though, thank you.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
I want to say so.
Speaker 8 (36:02):
Like Eagles columnists, the retired Les Bowen Love legendary.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
And he's great on Twitter.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
Yes, and that's exactly.
Speaker 8 (36:10):
I'm so glad you you mentioned that, because like legendary guy,
and he's still part of the conversation. He weighs in
a lot, and he obviously knows all of the coach
speak and everything. And he translated translates it abou as
well as any columnist has ever done, I think, on
any beat in any market. And he said this, and
I thought it was telling when Nick sirian He said
it on Blue Sky. He said, when nicks Ariani says,
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it's never just one thing or one person's fault, as
was the tone Nick Sirianni took after the Dallas loss,
What I with less hears is we can't fix this
when it's never any one person's fault. What he hears
is we can't fix this. And I'm like, that's that's stark.
That means there's too many holes to patch in his mind.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
I think the offensive line not being a difference maker,
just to your point, sort of makes the rest of
it look hollow. You have a good left tackle in
my latta, but there's questions now everywhere else since Lane
Johnson isn't there.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
It banged the others banged to week.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
The thing is they do do some things well, like
I've I was thinking about this. They they've turned into
Jalen Hurts as a pert, like as an offense, They've
turned into Jalen Hurts because they are monsters in the
red zone. And one of the reasons why I was
I was trying to figure out, like, how are some
of these numbers so stark the worst three and out
rate since the twenty fourteen Raiders with our friend MJD
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collecting his last NFL paycheck behind dark, I.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
Didn't know how how relative relative to history?
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Bad crazy Tony Sperano rest in peace coaching, coaching that
Raiders team, and I'm like, how are they even as
good as they are? And it's because every time they
get in the red zone they score because he is
one of the best red zone quarterbacks that we've ever seen,
in large part because of his legs, but he's made
good decisions too, and they just don't turn the ball over.
And that is Jalen Hurts in a nun is that
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he is a little too tentative just not ripping it
into those zone coverages. But he does not make mistakes
and so it's just this. You just don't know what
to do, but you know it should be better when
you're paying all these guys and there's this much talent here.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Offensively to me, it may be completely fixable.
Speaker 7 (38:18):
But you've got a mobile quarterback and a tough guy, right,
Jalen Hurts is a tough dude. Get him out of
the pocket a little bit. Press the line of scrimmage.
He Dak Prescott does right when he runs. He doesn't
just float. He presses the line of scrimmage and gets
a defender to commit and then usually opens up a
void to throw it in.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
They don't do that. Man.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Were they doing that with Kellen Moore?
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I was trying to remember, all, look, I Kellen Moore,
you should go to Dallas. Maybe so Kellen Moore would.
Speaker 8 (38:42):
Drop Jalen Hurts like sixteen steps back behind.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
The lo's of vision seven.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Man.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I feel like we had this conversation at various points
with almost every one of their coordinators except maybe Stichen,
who early on it was a little slow, but basically
that was a moonshot ride and that was the best thing.
Speaker 7 (38:59):
That way shorter quarterback and that was the whole thing.
You know, back when Russell Wilson first came. He was
a shotgun take in seven step drops. You have to
throw it eighteen yards to get the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
But this is a great test because the way it's
got to be called, and they're playing a defense that
they should be able to score against.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
The Bears are not creating much pressure.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
We'll see. We've been waiting week after week.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Is this game where Kyler Gordon or Jalen Johnson come
back for the Bears because they lost. I believe Tyrek
Stevenson got hurt last week last game? Did he and
I think he did.
Speaker 7 (39:32):
I'm not positive on that. But let's let's go to the
Bears offensively though. I mean, their offensive line is playing and.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
So Jon and Jackson's little banged up, little banged up.
Speaker 7 (39:40):
So this is why I'm interested, because the Eagles defensive
front was so good up until they they came up
against Dallas. This is a pride thing. Now, Okay, are
they gonna dial this back up and start doing some
things against the Bears. We know we're gonna go a
lot twelve or thirteen type of personnel. They will match
up with that because they've got the linebackers to be
able to do that. But I just want to see
again how this front for the Eagles, how they doubt
(40:02):
this up because you know, Big Fangio is going to
do some stuff to make you know, Caleb Williams eyes cross.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
A little bit.
Speaker 8 (40:06):
And what I think Ben Johnson's going to do in
response is exactly what we saw Brian Schottenheimer do with
Dak Prescott is boot him out, move him around, boot
him out, get him running on some of these like
nakeds and things like that, and move his launch point
around to really attack what Colleen mentioned was just a
totally battered secondary right now. Yeah, And I feel like
(40:26):
like I was talking to my good friend Kevin Fishbain
who works with me over at the Athletic and just
wrote a great feature about where Ben Johnson's Good, Better
Best comes from and trace its lineage back and like
pretty cool story, and he was talking he was talking
about like that every week the floor gets a little
bit higher for this team. We saw some Bears teams
in the past where when their floor would drop out
(40:50):
from under them, there was no bottom, right like it
just they would they would get they would get close
to their floor and chaos. Woul happened, and they wouldn't
swing it back positive. Now when they're in some of
these close games, especially at the end, you feel like
these Bears teams are starting to know how to win
these games versus because I think this will be close,
(41:10):
I think, I agree, an absolute dogfight, and I think
that this is one of those where you really see, situationally,
how much more developed or how much I guess higher
the floor is for a Bears team that's I think,
out record wise outperforming what a lot of its advanced
statistics say. But they're figuring out how to win games
and that is almost more important for them right now
(41:31):
than what a lot of these metric rankings are.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
And a big game four CJ. Gardner Johnson, Yeah, start timer, start.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
The timer, Philly, that that could actually be a serious
situation just because of the way that he left Philly.
He was unhappy with it, and now he might come back.
Like we always roll our eyes at revenge games, but.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
Real one.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
That's a great point because one thing about the Bears,
they are just rewriting the takeaway books. They are taking
the ball away at an an ordinate rate, and I
think the top three interception leaders in the NFL despite
all the injuries in the top four are like are
like with the Bears, Yeah, I mean Kevin Bayer, like
all these guys are.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
So and their linebackers are hurt, like right, I don't.
Speaker 6 (42:16):
Think people to understand that Johnson.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Exactly like two j Edwards and just that whole grouped.
I do think the health of the secondary is going
to be important. So Jalen Johnson was not playing last week.
They have they activated his practice window for a couple
of weeks, so both him and Kyler Gordon have been
practicing to come off. I are but they haven't been
back in the game. I do wonder if they've been waiting.
Maybe this is the week that it happens. And then
(42:41):
Tyreek Stevenson, their other starter, like got hurt too, So
they're just down big and shout out to Nashan Wright
who has been making plays, yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
You know, day after day.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
And look, if you were a fan of Last Chance You,
he he was kind of a secondary character in Last
Chance You because he's the brother of Rajeon Wright, who
also made it to the NFL. And and people I
think know this lately because the coach for that season,
John Beama, tragically killed like on campus, and he was
(43:12):
such a captivating guy and it was very emotional for
Nashon Wright after he had an interception a couple of
weeks ago, and he's talked about just honoring John Beeman
Man that season of last year's he was one of
my favorite like seasons of quote unquote reality like ever
and I hate that the other coach from Last Chance
You is the one that everyone knows who's an idiot?
(43:34):
Who I'm forgetting about right now? It was just like
a total yeah, yeah that guy. Don't don't confuse the two.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
Greg.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
By the way, you asked if anyone could name anyone
from the twenty fourteen Raiders. Yeah, I did say that
Drew Christensen is checking in again, and he says that
might remember that that team started zero to ten and
then beat the Chief on Thursday Night Football for their
(44:02):
first win of the year. And it was Derek Carr's
rookie season.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
And first win.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
How about that time machine.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
Run the mc Darren McFadden on that.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Oh yeah, he's a good player. Who's the who is
the quarterbackings start of the season? Was it Jason Campbell.
I don't think Derek.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
Started the whole his rookie.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Okay, Bears fans, you wanna you want to really get
in the mix, go win this game. Caleb a little
up and down last week, but I thought it was
good prep for him. He had his fastest time to
throw all season by far. It was clearly a game plan.
With his left tackle gone, he got out of the
got rid of the ball quickly. It wasn't a perfect game,
but it was good enough. And they're getting their rookies.
(44:48):
Luther Burden in Colston Loveland ten targets combined. Uh in
that game? So really good Black Friday game.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Who hates hearing that? Because you know they're getting their
rookies involved on like his Raiders.
Speaker 6 (45:00):
I'm I'm picking the Bears.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Okay, I will takes at home, but I definitely don't
trust them to cover a home.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (45:08):
I'm the I'm Colleen the loan, I'm the loan.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
You are loan Rod.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
But what what.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Hey, we've reached the most important part of the show.
Go it's the soup draft.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Go how many rounds?
Speaker 1 (45:25):
I we usually plan these things out. We're just gonna
do one round because I want to put pressure that
you have to I'll go last.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
Why don't we go.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Why don't we go?
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Ladies first, Colleen can get the one. Pick one, let's
go in order.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
That's it? Wow?
Speaker 4 (45:37):
All right, well, okay, do you guys want to do
two rounds?
Speaker 6 (45:39):
I think I thought I don't need any prep on I.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Know, I just thought not about prep. It was more
pressure that you got to make a really hard choice.
And also I would have brought this up ahead.
Speaker 6 (45:50):
Any soup is an easy choice, Greg Bear.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
I would have brought this up before, but I know
how Eric would have hated this segment idea, so I
just had to.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Be a surprise. Go too deep then?
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Oh god, that is can't it?
Speaker 5 (46:02):
Wow?
Speaker 6 (46:03):
No, stop, stop stop.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
Okay, it's very easy for me there.
Speaker 5 (46:09):
I Since I love soup so much, I could go
in so many different directions. But there is one soup
that I can never say no to if I see
it on a menu, and it's not going to be
a popular number one overall pick. So congratulations to you guys.
It's broccoli Cheddar is mine?
Speaker 4 (46:24):
Ober?
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (46:25):
Overall pick?
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Definitely? Oh my god, no, definitely.
Speaker 5 (46:29):
It's a little lunch box on Drexel's campus right on
thirty fourth that NAT had the absolute best broccoli Cheddar.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
It was the number one hangover cure.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
It can be great. It's not like an La soup.
You got to have that on a cold day on
the East Coast. But it's like any soup. I think
it made well. It can earn that number one pick.
But streets are saying it's a reach, little little heavy.
It's my draft, Jordan's.
Speaker 8 (46:53):
I'm going butternut squash, good fall pick sound draft returns.
Butternut squash is my number one over.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
That's a good one in my mine is simple. That's
the Italian wedding.
Speaker 7 (47:03):
Baby, I'm not really a huge fan.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
I'm a huge Italian wedding. Eric.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Would you describe yourself as disgusted so far?
Speaker 4 (47:14):
Do you think less of Steve as a man?
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Nothing against?
Speaker 7 (47:20):
You can think whatever he wanted me if I get
some Italian wedding right, he gets.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Greg, what's your pick?
Speaker 1 (47:29):
I'm trying to think, should I a strategy on something
that someone else could take, or take what I believe
should be the one I think you gotta go. I'm
gonna go for like a student tofu soup at like
a Korean So you can add it, now what you
add to it, because they'll last like, what do you
want with it? Like, do you want it with pork
or dumplings, kim chi whatever? I think I'm gonna go
(47:50):
with the dumplings because that it kind of combines it all.
But that is some hot and spicy, bubbling soup because
you get.
Speaker 4 (47:58):
The kimchi's in it. Anyway, you know, I love it.
Speaker 5 (48:01):
What about a soup dumpling? I mean, that's pretty good.
That's not my pick.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
That's that's why it's it's sort of combined. I like
it all.
Speaker 6 (48:08):
Regularly.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Now you can you can you had the worst.
Speaker 5 (48:13):
The second round, but with the fifth overall pick in
the twenty twenty five soup draft, I am taking chili.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
That was my question. Is it chili or aunt? Make it?
Speaker 6 (48:29):
Make it a chili?
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Is a chili? Last week?
Speaker 6 (48:33):
That's not an I was wondering count all the time.
Speaker 8 (48:38):
But chili consistency, the consistency of chili as a non
broth based concoction is more of a stew like texture
versus a soup.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
I was this is actually I'm sorry to do this,
but this is like when the Vikings took too long
to make their pick and then they got skipped in
the drafts.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
Actually, Jordan is going to go.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
You have to regroup and you can tell you can
take another pick after.
Speaker 4 (49:06):
As a stew.
Speaker 5 (49:06):
Wait a second, then I will take Ramen? Or is
that a problem to Romans?
Speaker 1 (49:10):
A soup wasn't your turn but because of the rules,
But we'll take that.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Chili should count. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (49:19):
Chili is a stew.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
I think ultimately the clock is sticking based.
Speaker 8 (49:24):
Chicken tortilla, Baby, chicken tortilla all the way up in
this system here, I love it. Weird, clean out my sinuses, baby, Okay.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
J Maican pumpkin soup.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
What spicy, sweet and spicy?
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Little got a great consistency, get you going right there?
Speaker 8 (49:52):
Lots of fiber, that's pretty good.
Speaker 6 (49:57):
Okay, Greg, you're on the.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Clock, your last one. I think, well, oh yeah, she
picked m Yeah, Drew, what is it that you said
to me? How many rounds to what you can get
on the mic till?
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Colleen?
Speaker 4 (50:08):
Uh, you get your pick? No, she got her pick.
It was Ramen. It was wrong. We'll get We'll get it.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
This is tough last pick of the draft. I mean,
like the ultimate test when you're at.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
A lobster bisk is still on the.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
Or there's so much.
Speaker 4 (50:24):
There's so many, like mots of ball. Soup is out
there the ultimate test of the Chinese.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
I get a hot and summer soup every time, but
I think for value, I also get a wanton too.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
Sometimes I'll get both. But but hot and sour.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
You have to test that every place you go, because
that's the ultimate test if that's going to be a
good But I just think for value and overall versatility
and everything, you got to take far here. I mean, yes,
you can't let that go. That's like, that was hard
to choose between those two.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
I'm shocked that.
Speaker 6 (50:55):
I just want them all.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
I want them.
Speaker 7 (50:59):
I don't know, man, apologize, you are what little lentil?
Speaker 8 (51:05):
Oh? I love a lentil soup. Yeah, but but yeah,
I would yeah, I would take.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
That you'd like to throw in.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
He's just so you know.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Would have been controversial, but I think it would be
a good mid to late round draft pick for value.
I didn't need you guys to be prepped for that.
You guys have been prepping your whole freaking lives.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
You know what else?
Speaker 1 (51:26):
You're ready for tomorrow's preview show. It's going to be
a little bit different because we need to get out
of here.
Speaker 4 (51:33):
At some point before the holiday, we're going to put
a clock on our preview.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
We're gonna have one thing that's going to blow your
mind for each game, five minutes per game. Looking forward
to that until then. Yes, you want to throw any
other soups out there that didn't come out.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
I don't like it.
Speaker 6 (51:53):
I like the broth of it. I love any broth.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Maybe put our drafts up. People get Greid, who came
in second place behind me.
Speaker 6 (52:01):
Something with lemongrass, beef, lemongrass ginger.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
Hell yeah, he's where the fig. You gotta get some
lemon grass.
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