2025 Week 2 Recap: Burrow's Injury and Dan Campbell's Revenge

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we never doubted Jake Brownie
or Dan Campbell or any.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Other people that got off the mat in.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Week two and helped their team to a much needed victory.
I am Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Westling podcast
studio with my friends Patrick Clayband and Jordan rod reeg.
Nick Schook will be joining us with some bangers later
in the show, but for now, it's the three of us.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Let's go united.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Jordan's first full day here in the NFL Network facilities.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
You did a show this morning. You were next to
me all.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Day, like, yeah, let me tell you guys what that
was like off air?

Speaker 4 (00:45):
Okay, it was fine, was what was it sitting next
to Greg?

Speaker 2 (00:50):
I'm you're just like part of your part of the
machine now.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
And at one point Greg came over to my little
cubby area and it's a standing desk and you can automate. Yeah,
and he just decided, you know what, I'm going to
raise Jordan's desk while she's sitting down.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Well, I just wanted to see if it worked.

Speaker 5 (01:09):
Into a standing desk like.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
One inch one inch I mentioned Jake Browning.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
I think that's weirdly where we have to start because
of the news and because of the quality of play.
Like Nick Westling on Sunday, Let's go to Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Jake Browning will be under center.

Speaker 6 (01:28):
Chase brown lines up behind how.

Speaker 7 (01:30):
Sample goes behind the quarterback and shoves him.

Speaker 6 (01:33):
It's a touchdown.

Speaker 8 (01:36):
Shake Browning with eighteen seconds left and regulation has given
the Bengals their first lead all day.

Speaker 5 (01:48):
Dirty dancing style that line them up.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Dan Horde and Dave lap them in the back room.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
W c K. Why yes, Jake Browning has to come
in unfortunate for an injured Joe Burrow early in that game,
and through some picks, he also led the Bengals on
a game winning drive thirty one to twenty seven over
the Jaguars to get to two and zero. Patrick they

(02:17):
talked all off season about avoiding a bad start in it.
In both of these games out that at points it
felt like, man, they're having a bad start and the
Joe Burrow injury is an issue.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
We'll get to that, but they are too and oh yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:30):
The conversation about wins being a quarterback stat is hilarious.
Wins are a coaching stat and Zach Taylor had never
started two and oh this entire Bengals tenure, and by
the grace of the universe itself, somehow this team is
two and oh because you wondered what would be the
tendency breaker Liam Cohen's Jags or are they Are they

(02:51):
going to get past this Jags attitude of the past
where litany of errors causes them to lose a game
that they.

Speaker 6 (02:57):
Should have won. No, not today.

Speaker 9 (03:00):
They start things off with a nine play sixty nine
yard drive. Again, They're using Diamie Brown early on Brian
Thomas Jr. They both had eighteen yard receptions, and then
the defense comes out. They sacked Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow's
oh of one. They get the ball back. They go
on at eight play sixty four yard drive and then
Trevor Lawrence throws an inexplicable end zone interception and then

(03:24):
a Burrow comes back. They ultimately get a drive and
a touchdown the injury, which the NFL network consider. Ian
Rappaport says, it's turf toe, which is something for us
to watch because they have the Broncos, the Vikings, the Packers,
and the Lions in their next four games. So wow,
good for them for starting two and zero. Baseiel touton
looked good, but they were weird like miscommunications. The broadcast says,

(03:48):
Brian Thomas Junior, short armed ball across the middle. That
was ultimately an interception for Trevor Lawrence, which was another
turnover the Jacks could have taken advantage on it.

Speaker 6 (03:57):
It was a rough one.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Let's listen to Liam Cohen. Brian Thomas Junior twelve targets
in this game for forty nine yards. One of the
most inefficient plays in football through two weeks have been
passes to Brian Thomas Junior. He was asked Cohen, whether
you know Thomas was short army in that past.

Speaker 10 (04:15):
Yeah, we gotta I gotta go watch it, you know,
and just go go figure out what the you know
was all about and what it looked like.

Speaker 11 (04:25):
Yeah, I gotta go that.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
We've talked Jordan about Liam Cohen maybe giving too much
away in press conference, and that actually think was a
good enough job by him trying to just stop himself
from saying something that's gonna look.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Like shoot on his lip. He chewed on his own
inside of his own lip. You could see it in
the audio.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
He wears his emotions on his sleeve. When you saw
him shaking the hands of Zach Taylor after the game.
He had such a look of like disappointment and like,
I can't believe I have to do this right now.
These are two guys that once worked together. And then
there was another sequence where if you're watching us on YouTube,
where he has this exchange with Trevor Lawrence where he's

(05:05):
kind of like making these wild gestures from the sideline
and Trevor Lawrence kind of waves him off and turns
his back, and these things happened. This was after a
misthrow when they're up third and fourteen with about three
minutes to go, and just like a lot of tension
and a lot of mistakes. Patrick, I guess we will
get to the Bengals side of it, but it did

(05:26):
feel like it was a game where the Jacksonville Jaguars
like wasted a lot of opportunity.

Speaker 9 (05:30):
Yeah, and we can celebrate Jake Browning kind of what
feels like being shoved in the end zone against his
will at the end, like he was not ready for
that sample push.

Speaker 6 (05:40):
In the back. But there were turnovers by Jake Browning.

Speaker 9 (05:43):
When guard got one almost took it all the way
back to the house, put the Jags in solid position,
they did nothing with it. In the worst one, there
was a Lloyd interception of Jake Browning inside of four
minutes ago in the ball game that should have been backbreaking.
They get to fourth and five inside the t yard line,
they run across to Brian Thomas Jr. Instead of kicking
the field goal, which may have changed circumstances.

Speaker 6 (06:05):
I don't know, and who.

Speaker 9 (06:06):
Knows if he would have gotten it if he had
caught the ball, but he had a pretty nasty drop.
It was maximum Jags, including the final drive for Jake Browning.
There was a defensive pass interference call on Travis Hunter.
I don't think it was defensive pass interference. Off lobby
for years that this should be reviewable. The NFL allegedly
tried it was a false flag. They never intended to

(06:27):
make pass interference reviewable. And and Travis Hunter gets dinged
on what it was one of the plays that costs
in the game.

Speaker 5 (06:32):
Yeah, it's tough.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
It's you know, I think back to earlier in this
same week that we're still currently in and Zach Brown
or Zach Taylor excuse me, was talking about, you know,
really wanting to be too and O and you know,
seemed really excited about it and eager about it in
his press conference comments. And I'm like thinking, I'm like, okay, man, but.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
At what cost? Right? Because that is a tough injury.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Jake Browning is a solid backup quarterback. A couple of
the local writers there, we're talking back and forth with
some of the fans responding on social media to different
comments about Okay, well, why does it looks why does
it look like you know, there are functional plays happening
for this quarterback?

Speaker 5 (07:17):
Why does it look so hard for Joe Burrow? Sometimes?

Speaker 3 (07:19):
And it's like, well, you got to call around the
player that you have, and that's part of what the
issue moving forward will be. We don't know how long
Joe Burrow is going to be out, but it's kind
of like, Okay, yeah, you know you got your two
and zero at what cost? And you know you're gonna
have to change your entire game plan around this guy. Now.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
I think it's important though, because this part of the
season to me, is just about managing like your win losses,
managing the schedule. The stuff that really matters for Cincinnati
is coming up. It's obviously devastating you lose Joe Burrow
and you're going to be just trying to get a winner.
Two in these Jake Browning starts, however many there are

(07:56):
turf too. Is such an unpredictable injury. I asked, you know,
our friend Nick Westling, who was at the game, like
if he had any takeaways, and he was like, don't
do the thing where you give the Bengals too much credit.
The biggest you know, the factor in this game, Like
drop passes were the difference and they were getting beat
and outplayed when Joe Burrow was in the game. And yeah,
the sequence of these drops was brutal. In the fourth

(08:19):
quarter alone, Dammy Brown drops a touchdown, Brian Thomas Junior
kills a drive with a fourth down drop, and then
my guy Travis Hunner, who's definitely having a tough start
to the season, draws or called for a long pass
interference on a fourth down on the game winning drive
for the Bengals. I think it was a good call,

(08:39):
wasn't It wasn't absolutely clear, but it wasn't a call
with pass interference. I always feel like, unless it's really
obvious that it was a terrible call, I'm not going
to make a big deal out of it, and they
called him for pass interference and yeah, just a lot
of jagging going on. Let's actually listen to Liam Cohen

(08:59):
also asked about that fourth down decision.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
Why the decision to go for it?

Speaker 12 (09:05):
It's a hundred percent ago. It's one hundred percent ago
in all analytics and all data, it's one hundred percent ago.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
I like, I don't like the way he answered it,
but it seems like such. I the reason that you
went for it is because if you go up six, like,
you still have to make them kick a field goal
basically either way, and if you go up six, they're
more likely to go for the touchdown. And Jason Garrett's
on NBC sing like he thought it was a really
bad decision because you got to force the backup quarterback
to go score a touchdown. Well what did they do?

(09:34):
They went and scored a touchdown. That to me, actually
is why you go for it. You have multiple chances
to win the game. You trust your franchise quarterback, and
then you trust your defense, and they couldn't stop them.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
They gave up a touchdown. You disagree, Patrick, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (09:47):
It's it's one hundred percent of kick.

Speaker 9 (09:48):
To me, on fourth and five fourth and two, I understand,
but it was five yards to the to the extent
that Brian Thomas Junior never even got across the line
of game in the first place to catch the ball
in that situation where the Bengals were sitting there and waiting.
But there are so many plays other than that one.

Speaker 6 (10:04):
It was. It was a collection of failures that led
to this Jags loss. And we'll see if they can.

Speaker 9 (10:10):
Kind of summon some positives out of the pass rush
look great, And I do think there may be something
to this Browning t Higgins situation. I don't know if
the we'll call them fluffy passes that Jake Browning throws
kind of suit tease I a little bit more, but
he goes up in mosses two defenders and then runs
them over for a long touchdown.

Speaker 6 (10:29):
Or maybe in fantasy world the t Higgins shares.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
I think he is the best contested catch like go
pluck the ball in the air away from your body
guy in the entire NFL. So maybe like a soft
tossing and Joe burrow'sn't that different. He's obviously a much
better version of it. A soft tossing guy helps him
out I just.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Want to say for the record that I also think
that it's a go, especially from that distance from the
end zone, and you're averaging five point seven yards per play,
a little more than that even at the time. But
I will say we talked about this earlier, and I
think this is actually really important to monitor over the
course of the season.

Speaker 5 (11:04):
We've all mentioned it at different times.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
The subtext of the comments postgame, the subtext of the actions,
it looked like, actually, when him and Trevor Lawrence were
going back and forth, that is a put it on
his chest. You saw the ball got tipped up a
little bit, the receiver tipped it up a little bit
with the contested.

Speaker 5 (11:21):
Coverage as well.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
To me, that looked like him saying, put it right
on his chest and then you know, what are you
going to do in that situation. The play's already done,
you're the quarterback. You got to turn around and keep going.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
So I think that that's the thing you can hear
the like thinly veiled rage, and I think more so
execution than any of his own decisions.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Right now, it's always been Trevor's problem, and he had
a couple of interceptions in this game. He also had
you know, three touchdown two hundred and seventy one yards.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
He's always not been the most accurate.

Speaker 6 (11:46):
It's like yelling at the goud make your free throw.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
So the Bengals get out of there with the victory
and Jamar Chase, in Nick Westling's words, the best non
quarterback in the NFL after a quiet week one fourteen
catches on sixteen targets for one hundred and sixty five
yards and a touchdown. Smart Stewart also got banged up
late in this game. That is something to watch. But

(12:12):
seeing Chase and Higgins do their thing, I think it's
going to be really important long term that they banked
those wins. Another team banking those wins was an arrowhead.

Speaker 13 (12:22):
Today, now there's motion on the other side of the field.

Speaker 14 (12:27):
Un hunts back, goes Mahomes, he fires.

Speaker 13 (12:30):
It's intercept them on a deflection. There's the turnover intercept
them by mccuba down the fourth side Liney goes all
the way across to four of you. There is the
interception that click change this game dramatically.

Speaker 6 (12:46):
What a big play that was.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Merril Reese and Mike Quick on WIP. It did change
the game. Dramatically. It's pretty rare that we go with
a fourth quarter interception in a thirteen to ten game
that it doesn't directly even result in a score. But
that was the kind of game that the Eagles and
the Chiefs played. It wasn't the most entertaining, but it
did have a lot of really dramatic moments. I believed

(13:11):
a lot of coaching decisions. Twenty to seventeen. The Eagles
beat the Chiefs, and yes, Travis Kelce who made some
great plays today, many of which were right on Andrew
mccouba that changed the game, a fourth down pick up,
another one where he stiff arms Cooper Dejen ultimately drops
a pass that could have been a touchdown turns into

(13:33):
an interception, and I pointed out and make it the highlight.
Partly because the Chiefs have such a small margin for
error right now. They are not an explosive team. They
did hit one to Thornton late in the game after
they were down twenty to ten to make it interesting,
but when they go on a really long drive, they
have to capitalize. And what we saw today, Jordan, I

(13:56):
think in that moment was the very picture of the
Vic Fangio defense of make them work down as the
field as slowly as possible, and eventually they'll make a mistake.
And the Chiefs did make those sort of mistakes today.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
And I will tell you coaches who play against this,
especially the original of this, which is Vic Fangio running it, obviously,
they describe it as agonizing, as an ego death. And
I don't think we worry about that so much. With
Andy Reid, the master of the screen game, he's so
happy usually to pick and poke against an opponent. But
the Eagles are really good against the screen game too.

(14:33):
This was death by a thousand paper cuts, and that
is exactly I always would get confused when players who
play in this type of system say we want to
make them snap it one more time.

Speaker 5 (14:44):
I'm like, why just get off the field.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
But really what it is is you want that psychological
battle in the mind of the opposing offense, and you
want one more snap to force that mistake.

Speaker 5 (14:53):
That is what happened here today.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
I think the blitz really tells a lot about this game.
I mean, the Chiefs asta game at home, down by
a couple scores in the fourth quarter, where they held
the Eagles to two hundred and sixteen yards.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Neither of these teams top three hundred yards.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
I for fourteen on third down for the Eagles, four
for twelve on third down for the Chiefs, but holding
the Eagles let to that on third down.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
And it is incredible.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Although they you know, they did pick up a couple
of the fourth you know, the fourth downs with the
tush push, like where's the NFL that I loved with
the big plays with A J. Brown and Patrick Mahomes,
Like AJ Brown goes five for twenty seven, and for
the most part, Saquon Barkley was bottled up. And what
I found really interesting was was the battle of the blitzer.

(15:39):
So famously, you know, Vic Fango doesn't send a single
blitz in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
This time he sent a lot.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
And Patrick Mahomes ends up going three for ten with
that interception which really wasn't on him, but three for
ten with very little yardage against the blitz. And I
think it was because ultimately, like they weren't worried about
the Chiefs beating them over the top. On the other side,

(16:08):
the Chiefs have so little pass rush that they blitz
almost the entire game. And I feel like every single
spags versus Hurts game or Todd Bowles versus Hurts game
comes down to Jalen Hurts versus the blitz. And today
I would give him like a C on that. He
goes nine for fourteen for seventy seven yards. He didn't
make a ton of mistakes. He took a sack, but
on a per play basis, that is not very good.

(16:30):
Their total yardage was not very good, but they end
up making no mistakes. Ultimately didn't make them pay enough.
And so the Chiefs have to blitz sixty four percent
of the time and the Eagles still get out of
there without like really making the back breaking mistake.

Speaker 6 (16:46):
Yeah, and we're on the other side.

Speaker 9 (16:48):
It put Spags's defense at a very tough position because
you get in that situation. Yeah, they got away with
it one time, the double mug. Look, they sent two
in the gap. Saquan has to choose it and block
either one of them, and Hirs throws it up to
Devanta and he tries to make a catch lands like awkwardly.

Speaker 6 (17:07):
Yeah, he's down for a few minutes. Yeah, but he's
back in the game later on.

Speaker 9 (17:10):
Sam exact situation iscept DeVante Smith makes the catch and
you see, like just the limits to how aggressive they
could be, but there was only so much that they
could do. Not holding Saquon under sixty yards this time,
like Saquon had a decent game, and just like with
the limitations that they are offensively, like, there was just
so much put on them to be successful on defense,

(17:32):
where it's this isn't sustainable.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah you can't, you know if they want to keep losing. Yeah,
zeroing too well, it's.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
It's really striking on on both sides of the ball
for the Chiefs.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
On the offensive side.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
They do feel strained, They do feel like not super cohesive,
and part of it is missing personnel. Having Xavier Worthy,
they clearly were.

Speaker 5 (17:53):
That was a total shock.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
I mean, obviously it was a bang bang play to
some home team contact there by Travis Kelcey and so obvious,
so you're not expecting that, So now your entire plan
changes throughout. But on the defensive side, it is absolutely
wild to me. This is actually the most Steve Spagnolo
has had to blitz in a game since he first
took this job as defensive coordinator back in twenty nineteen,

(18:16):
and the discrepancy of it was Jalen Hurts on forty
percent of his passes per next Gen had over two
and a half seconds to throw when he was actually
purely dropping back and A they were trying to rush
for or B their blitz was not getting to him.

Speaker 5 (18:32):
He had all day to sit back.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
There and figure out what he wanted to do with
the ball, and he didn't even have to show the
run threat like he normally would. Yes, he scored a
rushing touchdown, but in terms of those pure dropbacks, he
looked so unbothered by so much of what they did.
And then you have to dial up the blitz to
a point where you're stretching yourself actually pretty thin because

(18:55):
your four man rush can't get home. You're stretching yourself
schematically as the coordinator, as a point where it's not
sustainable for you to play.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
And yet it was extremely effective.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Like if they won this game because the offense played better,
we'd be talking about what a great game plan it was.
Ultimately hurts averages under five yards per attempt. But it's
a great point on the pressure because they sent split
sixty four percent at the time, he was only pressured
thirty six percent of the time, Like that's a terrible
ratio for them to have, and it's just something to
keep an eye on. Two straight weeks. Chris Jones not

(19:26):
really making an impact as a pass rusher. He's had
moments where he starts the season slow before, and so
because it's Chris Jones, you kind of assume that he
will get it going eventually. It's the rest of the
team that both last week and this week just does
not have enough juice up front. Ultimately, though their defense
played well enough, it's just tough if Travis Kelcey is

(19:49):
easily your most important offensive piece at his age and
Taekwon Thornton is playing such a big role and you
just haven't had any running game from Pacheco or Kareem
Hunt over the last couple weeks in very tough matchups
against Jesse Minter's group against Vick be Andrews group. It
will get easier, but not that much easier. You know,
you pay you play the Ravens in a couple of
weeks after the Giants next week. They are feeling it

(20:11):
and I think they're doing things out of character. They
went for a fourth and one on their own thirty
six yard line to start the third quarter. Andy Reid
That's not something he would normally do, and I just
felt like they're just like a little desperate and he
doesn't get it either, you know, they get stuffed and
that was a tie game at that point.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
I didn't hate that he went for it.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
I think he's kind of right to treat his team
as the one that's less talented and being a little
desperate against the Eagles, because it's.

Speaker 9 (20:38):
True, it's going to be a long season for Patrick
Mahomes to far and away be the leading rusher and
like continuing his trend of running people over where it's
like it's a lot of contact. And then yeah, you
mentioned Chris Jones and Travis Kelsey, both of those guys
being canton in my opinion, but at this point, perhaps
more complimentary pieces then instead of like lying on them

(21:01):
to do what they've always done when they've been playing
so much football, like making all these playoff runs. It's
a lot of accumulation of football, which is something that
no doctor would ever prescribe.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Ultimately, one score losses to two teams that I think
are going to be in the playoffs that are really
well coached, to good quarterbacks, and so I am not
you know, panicking yet about this Kansas City.

Speaker 6 (21:22):
Yeah, they'll be fine Chief's team.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
But your rushing point on he's already bracing him.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Your rushing point on Mahomes is well said he had
a career high in rushing yards in the second quarter
already of this game. The fact that he's had to
run so much in both of these games is not
a good sign. Let's go to Detroit. So this is
kind of the revenge portion of the program. You know,
the Chiefs did not get their revenge. Could the Lions

(21:52):
get their revenge on Ben Johnson for flying the coop turncoat?

Speaker 15 (21:56):
Twenty one seconds to go, first down for the Lions.
Golf's got it back loss right side wants.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Tesla does he make one hand catch?

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Oh go tell me he did that, ol rookie, you
are something else.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
As he slides out of bounds with the.

Speaker 15 (22:09):
Three yard line, here we go, six seconds remaining. Lions
come to the line. The clock is not moving. It'll
start on the snap. They'll get one shot at the
end zone before they send the field goal unit out.

Speaker 6 (22:19):
Golf works out of the gun.

Speaker 15 (22:20):
There's the snap, Jared back, Jared looking pros.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
And cot touchdown. Detroit Lions I'm and Ross State Crown.

Speaker 6 (22:26):
I see you.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Oh that is so big.

Speaker 16 (22:30):
The rookie negs the Cats, that sets up the Lions
for the touchdown, and it's the federal nomen raw who
makes the graft for the score.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Oh, that is a great call from Dan Miller on
wx YT.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Usually we go for one play highlights.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
But when we got our guy, Isaac to Slah making
the greatest catch in NFL history if it had happened
in the seventies or eighties, to set up a touchdown
with four seconds left in the half, We're going to
play highlight. Fifty two to twenty one. Man Dan Campbell
was enjoying the hell out of this win. Late a

(23:08):
fifty burger on the Bears Jordan. In a game that
early it looked like, yeah, it was gonna be a
lot of fun, and late it just felt like a
lot of Bears games over the last five years.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Uh, someone's gonna fact check me this if I'm wrong,
But I believe that's Isaac Teslaw's second career NFL catch ever.
And remember the first one was also insane, but in
a loss, so we don't really talk about it so much.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
So that we've talked about it like four times. It
was only last week.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
Jay does is trick shots. He's trick shots only.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
He's literally two for two. That's it.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Yes, And so this was super interesting because so they
only needed four seconds to get that amon Ra Saint
Brown touchdown to put the game up twenty eight to
fourteen at half and kind of broke Chicago's back in
this sequence. At first, there was a little confusion because
the clock the officials let the clock run out, which
was super confusing for Jared Goff first of all, because

(24:03):
the referee was still in the middle of the scrum
placing the ball as the clock ran out. The clock
official and the sideline official were not on the same page. Finally,
they got all of that fixed. Then there was a
ruled the catches ruled in bounds, which means they needed
a ten second run off. Anyway, I won't bore you
with all the details. They only needed six seconds. Four
of the six seconds to ultimately really put this game

(24:25):
away in terms of the Chicago Bears. The Bears, it
didn't always have to be this way. It didn't start
this way. Once again, the Bears looked really solid on
their opening script touchdown Caleb Williams next four possessions were
a punt, a fumble Brian Branch hit DeAndre Swift so
hard that his mouthguard popped out, then a turnover on downs,

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then an interception. This was not a great decision, a
pretty bad interception that sort of just started to spiral
everything a little bit out of control for the Bears.
It all sort of convalesced into one thing. He was
on the movie's working out a structure of avoiding pressure
from the Lions front, and then he tried to make

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something happen down the field. The receiver he wanted had
run out of bounds, kind of halfway, stayed out of bounds.

Speaker 5 (25:14):
Kind of came in bounds a little bit.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
He ended up throwing Greg and I talked for a
little bit after this game about whether maybe he was
trying to throw it out of bounds or was trying
to hit the receiver down the field. It looked too
in bounds of a throw for me to think that
he was trying to throw it out of bounds. Ends
up being an interception. Kirby Joseph picked it off, and
then it just got from bad to worse, and by

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the way, against the coach who used to really enjoy
running up the score on opponents in that stadium.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
And Ben Johnson was asked about that after the game,
and then do you believe.

Speaker 8 (25:47):
Dan Campbell ran it up on anyone?

Speaker 6 (25:50):
What's he supposed to do is fourth and goal?

Speaker 14 (25:52):
What do you want him to do?

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, he could have kicked the field goal.

Speaker 14 (25:55):
They don't kick field goals, they go forward there.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
So he was doing what he was supposed to do.

Speaker 6 (25:59):
That's what he does.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Good answer, Let's not make it money. Honestly, the idea
is far as many points as you could have. Ben
Johnson was upset about a lot of things in this game.
I don't think I.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Think he could have been upset about Romadunze dropping multiple passes,
including on one drive. I think he could have been
really upset about his offensive line. Twenty one pressures and
four sacks. Braxton Jones especially struggled. Nine pressures, two sacks,
and four of them were quick pressures. Lots of penalties
yet again, anything off script, off the opening drive, off
the first fifteen plays off, any of this looks so

(26:32):
bad for this team offense and defense. They look so
discombobulated this defense. The floodgates just opened Jared Goff played
so so well, really calm.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
They stayed even with their run pass balance.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
They definitely saw the second half of that Vikings Jordan
Mason attack on the Bears defense, and they ran the
ball pretty evenly throughout. And Jared Goff was what twenty
three twenty three for twenty eight for three hundred thirty
four yards, five touchdowns, the longest time to throw in
a game he's had since twenty twenty two, through five
touchdowns in a game against the Bears, the first time
that's happened to the Bear since twenty fourteen, and also

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the first time since twenty fourteen the Bears have allowed
fifty plus points.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
In a game. The Denissance is off.

Speaker 6 (27:12):
Yeah, rest in peace to the Donostants. We had a
great two quarters, but I think I think three quarters.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
We had three quarters.

Speaker 5 (27:19):
Three dang it, we had three quarters.

Speaker 6 (27:21):
Give the credit for those full three quarters.

Speaker 9 (27:23):
I mean, it's it's not something that Ben Johnson should
be upset about. But and he's right, like Dan Campbell
with Ben Johnson there, Dan Campbell without Ben Johnson there,
they run the score up. I thought that's it was
twenty twenty one to forty five, and then Jared Goff
is thrown that pass tom on Ross Saint Brown, where
like the play, the drive started with the pass on

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that possession, So it's like they were trying to score,
which is what they do.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, but like he is running it up.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
I love that too because so often I watched these
games in garbage time and teams can't do anything in
garbage time when they're trying to like they're just out
there trying to play and execute offense. I don't think
think that all of the line's interior offensive line problems
are completely solved. I don't think that Jared Goff, you know,
being as in tune with his offensive coordinator John Morton,

(28:12):
compared to all the continuity had with Ben Johnson over
the years, it is solved. The only way that you
got to get better is to do it on Sundays,
and yes, you get a little extra to do it
against Ben Johnson's Bears. Dan Campbell after the game said,
we went out we wanted to go out there and
put on a little show. And yeah, if you see
the spray chart from Jared Goff his next gen start,

(28:36):
that's uh, it's just it's just a beautiful. How would
you describe as what we don't see as a lot
of incomplete passes.

Speaker 5 (28:43):
It's the Bellaggio fountain.

Speaker 9 (28:44):
I mean it looks it honestly looks like a middle
finger to Fitch.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
It's a huge my god, it does middle finger to
the Chicago Bears. Oh my god, for just doubting even
for a second that you could you could have with
the troil.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Well, and you know what I was actually I was
really impressed with with Jared Goff because it didn't start.
I mean, this team started out pretty even. They you know,
this looked like, okay, maybe this is going to be
close there.

Speaker 5 (29:10):
Just for a hot a hot second there.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
And then Jared gov on that drive where he gets
the ball to that insane sideline one handed catch to
Isaac Teslav. There are a couple completions on that drive
that he a he kind of sidestep pressure a little bit,
then stood in while that secondary rush came and got
him and popped him. And he stood in and he
completed throws and he really stayed composed. And then you know,

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after some of the turnovers they had, they would go
out and they'd run the ball six times in a row.
I mean, this was a team that was settling itself
down as it went, It was getting that rhythm as
it went. And then on the other side, much better
performance from this defense, from this lines defense than in
the week.

Speaker 5 (29:51):
One.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
The coolest, one of the coolest moments of the game
was when Aiden Hutcherson recorded his first sack back home
in front of the fans since getting hurt, and he
blew like he was on stage like he blew several
kisses to the crowd, double hand kisses to the crowd,
and was such a showman in.

Speaker 5 (30:07):
The best way about it. You could tell it was a.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Really emotional moment for him, is really emotional moment for
the fans. That crowd was juiced the whole way through.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
And these are the good old days.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
A day like this for the Lions fans was better
than basically any days for decades on and for the Lions.
So they are going to enjoy the hell out of
this and they're going to feel great about getting Jamison
Williams like two forty plus yard plays, including a sixty
four yarder. He had a touchdown. Amon rag Go's over
one hundred gets three touchdowns. Jamiyir Gibbs has a forty
two yard run. He gets his touch on like everyone

(30:41):
got theirs today. I don't think everything's solved, but everything
is looking a little familiar. In the NFC North with
the Bears at zero to two. All right, the revenge
portion of the program not over, but we are going
to take a quick break and on the other side,
we're going to talk about DK Metcalf against the team
that traded him away.

Speaker 12 (31:07):
Walker now in the backfield, jsn Wyer the left side,
and Walker's gonna get the toass He's going left side.

Speaker 6 (31:12):
He's got some blocking.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
He turns out Phillies down inside.

Speaker 17 (31:14):
The five touchdown Shayhawks can Walker the third. If the
Steelers are gonna load up near the line of scrimmage,
Walker is gonna flak you to the left and run
right past you.

Speaker 5 (31:27):
And he does.

Speaker 6 (31:29):
The Seahawks score again.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
It is thirty to seventeen.

Speaker 14 (31:34):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
They say that preseason's a liar, but sometimes you see
the great Seahawks running game in the preseason and it
actually shows up when it matters a week late. That
was Steve rabele K I ro Kenneth Walker with a
big time day in a thirty one to seventeen victory.
He finishes with one hundred and five yards on the ground.

(31:57):
They were the tougher team. I say they were the
more Steelers e team.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Jordan, Yeah, and you know, Greg, we've talked a lot
about omens since the season began, and these coordinators that
show their playscript and they kind of designed their first
several calls as to what they want to send a
subliminal message to the public, to the cognizantee no viewing,
to themselves viewing the games, or to themselves sometimes. At

(32:24):
the start of this one, Seattle scored a touchdown on
a play action pass. You remember those did not see
them in week one, definitely saw them again this time
and it was Tory Horton's first career touchdown. From there,
as soon as Seattle settled down, and this was largely
through the second half, they loaded up. They used extra

(32:45):
tight ends, they used their full back Robbie outs, they
used heavy personnel, and they ran the ball really physically.
I loved how everyone sold out for the blocking that
Kenneth Walker touchdown. You could see on the perimeter guys
shedding their in side blockers and flushing out to the
outside to sell out. Put their bodies in the way
to create space for him to run. You could see

(33:06):
how much room he knew he had with that little
skip step at the end of the touchdown. I will
say it took him a minute to get kind of
regathered back into this identity that they showed us during
the preseason, because it looked at the start that it
was all about the Steelers defense.

Speaker 5 (33:21):
These splash plays were insane.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Jalen Ramsey picked off a throw intended for Cooper Cup,
former Super Bowl teammate.

Speaker 5 (33:27):
Really smart play.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
He saw Sam Darnold's eyes drop and knew the ball
was also dropping for the under concept. Instead of leading
Cooper Cup on the throw where Cooper Cup probably had
a touchdown, Jalen Ramsey took a guess and played the underneath.
The ball came underneath, he picked it off. The problem
here and it plagued the Steelers all day. They only
got three points off of that right and then after

(33:48):
a blocked field goal which removed potential points from Seattle,
Jalen Ramsey again, and this is all first half. Jalen
Ramsey again, The Steelers failed to get any points on
the following possession, So this is like all of this
is happening, And then all of a sudden, they start
running slants away from Jalen Ramsey, they figure out where

(34:08):
he's lined up and they block him out of the play,
or they start designing their past concepts away from wherever
he's at on the field. This was a tale of
two halves for the Steelers defense and the Seahawks offense
because once they changed their plan and adjusted into this
heavier we are going to be physical, We're going to
bully you. It really helped the Seahawks that Alex Highsmith

(34:30):
had to leave the game with an ankle might be
out for a few weeks now. This was absolutely a
Seahawks team that settled in and rediscovered who they were,
and they showed us who they wanted to be with
that first play of the game.

Speaker 9 (34:41):
And it happens in you know, all due respect to
the Seahawks performance against a Steelers defense that starts and
I know high Smith left the game to look very
funny in the light after we saw what the Jets
and Breice Hall did. Kenneth Walker has this performance with
not even that many carries, and to where I wondered,
you know, I know some guys had taken made some

(35:02):
guesses on that Kenneth Walker run and ultimately were wrong,
but maybe some business decisions were made as well, Kennis
Walker to go skipping in the end zone. There and
Aaron Rodgers on plays that lasted over two and a
half seconds. He had one hundred and forty one yards
through the year, zero touchdowns and two interceptions with a
passer rating of twenty eight point five.

Speaker 5 (35:22):
There there's a tail. And that's a great point because he.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
I mean, he looked bad, and he looked like he
was in pain for a lot of the time that
he was playing. He made bad decisions on some of
his throats, things that you would expect him to take
a risk on, sure if this was ten years ago,
but you don't necessarily expect him the inner city.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
I'll get to it in a minute. But like, there's
a tail of these.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Two quarterbacks, the pressure that they faced and the decisions
they made out of that pressure. Sam Darnold got the
crap beat out of him earlier, and he looked skittish,
and he looked jittery, and he looked like, you know,
he was.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
You're honking in the first Anage game, right.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
About Sam Donaldo doff, Yes.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
And I go, oh, Sam at one point, I went, oh, Sam,
you know, and and you know, he didn't play a
totally clean game.

Speaker 5 (36:13):
He got hit, he turned the ball over.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
But there was a third and long later in the
game that Patrick Queen got in as a rusher and
he got there almost too fast really on the play,
and Sam Darnold evaded the pressure very very calmly and
then dumped the ball off for a first down and
then took a shot play a play later to JSN

(36:36):
who had another really good game as the clear number
one receiver on this football team, and Jalen Ramsey was
covering it. So it was just like that, the entire
switch flips. And then the tail of the other conversion
was Aaron Rodgers on a third and six deciding he
was going to cut and run for the sticks, a
conversion he would have made. He had the flat open,

(36:56):
Leonard Williams in pursuit, and he looks behind behind him
and he sees Leonard Williams bearing down on him, and
it's almost like he flinched and he got pulled down
and he was two yards short. And this is not
what we would have seen. A the risk taking and
b the level of athleticism that just is not there,
and he forced the ball. He missed them throws. He

(37:17):
got really annoyed.

Speaker 5 (37:18):
You could tell he.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Was irritated through a lot of this game. And one
of the two huge mistakes of this game we'll get
to the second in a minute, was the interception that
he threw. I mean, this was a end zone interception
that nullified potential points for the Steelers as they were
trying to actually like stay competitive.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
In this game.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
And it's Darien Kendrick, the cast off from the Los
Angeles Rams, who makes the play on the ball that
is forced between multiple defenders in the end zone, and
it just you know, this was just they basically both
of these teams switched places as the game went on.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
And this is one of the best defenses in the league,
at least I thought it was coming into this, so
it doesn't totally shock me. But it's pretty one sided
in terms of the yardage. In terms of the pressure,
Boye Mafe and Derek Hall had two of the highest,
if not I think of the three highest pressure rates
of the early window. So the offensive line hasn't looked
that good for the Steelers. They weren't really able to
run the ball, you know, other than this insane Jalen

(38:18):
Warren play where he goes sixty five yards and makes
a million people miss on a really short path.

Speaker 5 (38:23):
He turns the pick after it right.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Rogers basically doesn't have any you know, meaningful production the
rest of the day, So very concerning that. And Devin Witherspoon,
you know, was banged up in this game, didn't play that.
They lose the second half twenty four to three against
the Seattle Seahawks. Both of these teams though one and one.
It's early. You know, they've got all the time in

(38:47):
the world to bounce back. But Mike Tomlin was annoyed.
We hadn't even gotten to the.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
Big the biggest mistake in the game, right. Let's hell,
let's listen to it.

Speaker 12 (38:57):
Getting ready to boot it away? Is Meyers a line
drive kick Gainwell and Johnson. As the ball bounces through
the hands of Johnson and into the end zone, it's
going to stay in the end zone? Did the Seahawks
fall on it in the end zone? It's going to
be a touchdown Seahawks.

Speaker 17 (39:14):
The ball went through the hands of the kick returner,
he touched it, it landed in the end zone.

Speaker 12 (39:21):
The ball in the landing zone on a kickoff, somebody's
got to.

Speaker 6 (39:26):
Cover it for the receiving team.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
It was recovered by the kicking team in the end zone.

Speaker 14 (39:31):
Touchdown.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Holy, that is after the officials annoyed. And that's on
the way to seventeen unanswered points by the Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
By the way, let's listen to Mike Tomlin asked about
it after the game.

Speaker 11 (39:44):
It's poor judgment by young player.

Speaker 18 (39:46):
M specifically work one in practice every day of our lives.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Mmm.

Speaker 9 (39:53):
That's that's brutal. That's brutal for Caleb Johnson because he
hasn't gotten a lot.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Of playing time too snaps on offense.

Speaker 9 (39:59):
And and to have that happen. Looking at the reverse
angle from the top, he looks away before the ball stopped.
I wonder because I know, like there's you know, he's
a rookie awareness of the rules. I'm legitially wondering if
he thought the ball was going to bounce out and
it checked up in the infield man.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
The kickoff is such a bigger part of every single
game in the NFL now in many different ways, that
was one of them, and they'd paid for a big
time and maybe that play will kind of cover up
all the issues that they have on their defense right
now and on the offense other than Warren because of
that big catch, Like none of the receivers over thirty
one yards. Let's go to a team with some quality

(40:37):
wide receivers that went to Nashville today.

Speaker 10 (40:40):
Big moment here third and five in the red zone,
a field goal and it's still a one score game.

Speaker 5 (40:44):
A touchdown and the Rams are in the driver's seat.

Speaker 6 (40:47):
Big what's coming? Stafford heat from his heels.

Speaker 19 (40:50):
Hitch Davonte hits a touchdown back right pylon. Adams first
as a Ram touchdown alay the guts from Stafford to
hang in and.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Hit the fade away. Oh the guts of a burglar.
That's JB.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Long on ksp n DeVante Adams with his first score,
his first hundred yard game as a member of the
Los Angeles Rams, one hundred and six on six catches.
Puka Nakua adds a forty five yard touchdown run on
our favorite fourth and one play where they need the Cooper.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Cup play from the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
And oh, by the way, eight for ninety one through
the air, like they will need other people to contribute,
and I'm sure you know some people are, but they
don't need that much more to have a pretty great offense.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Thirty three to nineteen the Rams win in Nashville.

Speaker 9 (41:40):
Yeah, and it was an offensive performance where they kind
of pulled away late. And for the second consecutive week,
these Tennessee Titans and cam Ward have made things very interesting.
But it's ultimately the Rams defense the prosby stifling Byron
Young got two sacks two out of the five times
that cam Ward was sacked, and the Rams pulled away
in the second half. The Puka Kakua play the best

(42:01):
part of that play, which was a little bit because
Cooper Cup and the Super Bowl started out out wide
and Puka here is one of those McVeigh rnkles the
same play, right, but it just looks a little different
at the onset. Whittington like hit twenty two miles per hour,
believe to catch up to Pooka and throw a block
there towards the end. So that was great, but it's

(42:22):
tough because great performance the Rams two and zero. The
NFC West is going to be fun this year. But
to look at cam Ward, which was again the reason
I wanted to take this game. Ilk Aomnor is running
an out in the red zone.

Speaker 6 (42:38):
Cam Ward drifts across the field.

Speaker 9 (42:41):
The entire screening room, including me, is saying, no, cam no,
throw the ball away.

Speaker 6 (42:46):
What are you doing? No?

Speaker 14 (42:47):
No, no, no, yes.

Speaker 9 (42:49):
What a spectacular throw from cam Ward mid air outside
of the numbers, all the way to the t and
the ins on the other side of the field. Are
you kidding me? That's what I'm gonna remember for this game. Yeah,
the rams one. But this is why the least discussed
number one overall pick of all time is so fun
to watch.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Eric Fisher you know, begs to differ, but I I mean,
we could come up with some others, right, but Eric
Fisher definitely is the winner in the clubhouse. That's the
leader in the clubhouse for a throw of the year, right, Yeah,
I mean, because for him to get the depth on
that throw from where he threw it is just absolutely outrageous.
And for it to come right after he also hits

(43:29):
Aomannor who is really looking like a great Day three pick.
He was an early fourth round pick. He hit him
up the sideline for a beautiful hole shot right before
that game, Ward all ends with you know, one hundred
and seventy five yards, but nineteen to thirty three in
those plays that make you believe, if you're a Titans fan,
if you're gonna lose by two touchdowns at home, I
feel like this was about as good a way to

(43:50):
do that as possible.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
With Ward having his second straight good game.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
I know we're seeing this every week at this point.
I know it's only two games, but did this in
college too, where you just see this like fearlessness and
how cam Ward plays? I do think I turned to
you at one point today, Greg in the in the newsroom,
and I was like.

Speaker 5 (44:07):
He's got a little Matthew Stafford to him in.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
The trip shots, in the trick shots that he tries,
and some of the arm angles that he takes. It
is sort of ironic in that sense that right after
that touchdown, Matthew Stafford and the Rams offense go out
on the field and Matthew Stafford is intercepted. You know,
which is the true quintessential Matthew Stafford experience.

Speaker 5 (44:26):
Right.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
This was an interesting game to me because it's been
the script of a lot of Rams games for a
couple of years now, where they start really really slow,
and you know, we said that the Titans defense was creditable,
creditable earlier this week, and they are and they are respectable.

Speaker 5 (44:47):
But it's also the.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Rams playing down to an opponent and starting slow yet
again in the double digits over the last couple of seasons,
where it's either one touchdown or no touchdowns at all
in the first quarter.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
I mean they the end up, like you said, always
fixing it, not always, but this time, you know, you
end up with seven and a half yards for play
in the end, it looks like a dominant performance. You
mentioned Jordan Winnington, who's who's stepped in really tough to
and become their number three receiver. You know we kind
of they didn't like when we made fun of two
two Outwell's ten million dollar contract. Well, he has four
yards through two weeks, and Winnington's like a bigger part.

(45:20):
I'm sure he'll have his moments too, and.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
I would positive that if Miami were too, and know
they'd be trying to trade for him right now.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
I I notice the difference in terms of just pressure
though you know cam Ord and get you know, takes
five sacks. The Rams defensive line has six tackles for loss.
There's four passes defense, whereas Matthew Stafford was under much
less pressure. Byron Young is off to a really fast
start this season. So that combination of these incredible wide

(45:50):
receivers and just enough pass rush gets the Rams to
to and oh, Jordan also survives good job picking the
Rams here.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
She doesn't take it seriously.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
I do take it so serious literally.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
When this, I said, oh, your your survivor picks in
a little trouble when they were down thirteenth.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
I said, you were like, oh, yeah, like I care
so much. He said that.

Speaker 5 (46:12):
I said that. I said, I'm not worried about it
because I care so much.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
See when you said that, that was actually the first
time I was like, oh, maybe she does care a
little bit.

Speaker 5 (46:19):
Well, I'm competing with you, so you know, no, you guys.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Also, rookie ed rusher Josiah Stewart records his first sack
today and he's all over the field on that insane
cam Ward throw almost gets to the pressure. It is
weird to me that he's wearing number ten.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
I will point that out a lot of weird numbers
around the NFL these days.

Speaker 6 (46:38):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Bryce Huff wearing a forty seven. We'll get to him later.

Speaker 5 (46:41):
He I know, me and Greg were like, who the
hell is that? Oh, that's Bryce.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Huff all right. So that was the Rams. They get
to to and Ozer Titans at oh and two. It's
time for the Sunday Drive presented by Toyota. Let's go places,
specifically met Life Stadium.

Speaker 14 (46:59):
The Bills are right back at thirteen.

Speaker 12 (47:01):
Personnel Cook the loan setback. Here's a snap, it's another handoff,
Cooking to.

Speaker 14 (47:06):
Cut it back through a hole, dodges a defender, up
and out and out the gate to the races down
to the twenty.

Speaker 8 (47:12):
Ten five touchdown.

Speaker 19 (47:15):
James took forty four big ones for the score. James
Cook was out the gate and it was tail life time.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
His ability to break those tackles and change direction. If
we had a run of the year, I think that's
it so far. Forty four yards of the house. That
was Chris Brown wgr Bill's win thirty to ten in
a game that wasn't nearly that close. I'm gonna get
a lot of picks wrong this year. We'll see if
I can get any pick more wrong than this.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Because I thought the Jets were a bad matchup.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
I thought they would win this game straight up until
we were in garbage time of this game. It was
three hundred and eighty three yards to eighty seven, twenty
four first downs to five. Josh uh or rather Justin
Fields had fewer yards passing in this game than Mitchell

(48:12):
Trubisky did on his one throw that he threw in
the first half after Josh Allen appeared to break his
nose and it just exploded into a sea of blood.
The Bills are the team, Patrick, I think that the
Jets want to be at least offensively, like the Jets
want to be that great offensive line in this game, Like, hey,

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we don't even need our quarterback to be efficient or
effective throwing the ball. We're just gonna mash you running
the ball. Like that's what the Bills did. They were
much better at that style of play than the Jets
were today.

Speaker 9 (48:47):
Yeah, and it's maybe we were, and maybe you believed
in the Jets a little too much after the performance
I did the Pittsburgh st.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Be ware the moral victory.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
This happens all the time whenever you whenever had someone
has a moral victory, they inevitably play worse the next
week and then just lose by more.

Speaker 9 (49:04):
And there were some things that schematically didn't make a
lot of sense to me. There was some implementation about
the officiating as well as the spotters because Justin Fields
not only did the Jets put Mason Taylor in a
situation where he's blocking Bosa off the edge, but Mason
Taylor was on the injury report, wasn't even sure if
he's gonna play. Then it gets lined up to block Bosa,
who gets a hit on Justin Fields, lands on the

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back of his head, gets up, he's a little wobbly,
then gets hit on the next play, leaves the game
with the concussion. I just wonder like you have to
be able to implement things to protect the players in
that situation better because multiple folks let Justin Fields down
on that. When he leaves the game, Tyrod comes in
in garbage time. But this was there was just no

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opportunity for the Jets. Almost throughout this game, Like you mentioned,
Josh takes the hit in the nose, and I'm sure
like all of upstate New York was calling for a
revisor for Josh at that point, when you see a hand,
get the helmet and mister Trubisky comes in and fires
one immediately.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Like a perfect layered throw twenty seven yards down the
field reminded me it was to Josh Palmer, and it
reminded me a ton of.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
The throw to Josh Palmer.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
That Josh Allen made his best throw of the week
last week on Sunday Night Football, and I was like, damn, Mitch,
like I didn't know you had it in you at
that point in the game. I believe Trubisky had more
yards passing than Allen. He started out like doing nothing
and they were still trailing. Like the biggest offensive play

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early was a forty yard Josh Allen run, but it
really didn't matter because Justin Fields was off. He did
have some open receivers early that he missed. The offensive
line wasn't nearly as good in this game either, and
then on the other side of the ball, the Jets
defense has been a disaster through two weeks. I think

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Justin Fields has been so extreme it's going to take
attention away. Last week was his best week in his
entire career in EPA per play number one forty six starts.
This week was his worst week in his entire career
out of forty six starts, So that's going to get
the attention what's been consistent is the the Jets defense
through two weeks I would say is the worst combination
of completely undisciplined, crazy amount of penalties in bus and

(51:15):
no disguise at all. They're just lining up, they're showing
you they're in man, they're showing you they're in zone.
And the Bills knew exactly what to do when they
saw that.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Yeah, it is interesting. I it's I know it's a
little coordinator change, right, Uh, Steve Wilkes is over there now,
and they've had some changes in personnel, but like this
defense should not be as clear as it.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Is to figure it's Aaron Glenn really running the show.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Yeah, I mean, but Aaron Glenn's not calling plays or
anything like that. And this these are two very competent
senior defensive minds who are in these roles because they're
very good at these jobs. And like that is that
is concerning to me because one at some point you
do understand that, you know, maybe they're just not as
one for one talented all over the.

Speaker 5 (52:01):
Roster as they used to be.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
But they still do have some players, right, and so
you would hope to see a little bit more I
guess are less mental mistakes out of this group, I
guess you would say, especially not used to seeing that
from an Aaron Glenn or a Steve Wilks team, those
types of mental mistakes.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
They've got some bad combinations. I think in the secondary,
I think they're linebackers like Sherwood and Quincy Williams are
too similar. They're like these kind of crazy run after it.
You miss CJ. Moseley right now. It was like it
was just like a come down to Earth moment for
the Jets because they were getting booed hard in the
second quarter.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Come down to Earth moment for me.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
I apologize to Eric, you know, I apologize to the Bills.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
I mean I want to own the l too, because
I was so high on this run game for the Jets.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
I still am. But man, it's going to be feast
or famine some time.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
But for doubting is this is a team that has
Super Bowl aspirations and for them to they almost felt
like the way they talked throughout the week and then
after this that they felt like they were bouncing back
from a win, even as crazy as great as that
performance was, that at least on the defensive side of
the ball, and they didn't have their two best defenders
from a week ago in this game. Toron Johnson ed
Oliver were out of this game. It was ugly. So yes,

(53:11):
booing in METLIGHTE Stadium was probably the crowd reaction I'll
remember most from today, except for the entire Lions crowd
chanting f Ben Johnson, f Ben Johnson at the end
of that game, which.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Yeah, kind of booing us in a way, Greg for
being so excited about the Jets and so worried.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
About the Bills.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
I guess I know, just like a small fraction of
what it's like to be a Jets fan, like committed
myself to this team today.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
But great job by the Bills.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Seriously, they are looking already two weeks in like they
might cruise to this division. That was the Sunday Drive
presented by Toyota. Let's go places, Let's go to the Desert, Ryce.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Young and Shotgun.

Speaker 10 (53:56):
The Cardinals rushed for Young back to pass pressure in
Young space.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
He's He's sacked.

Speaker 19 (54:01):
It's Kaleias Campbell who wins the game in his first
game back at State Barn Stadium, wearing all red Palayist
hero in this game.

Speaker 10 (54:11):
Finally we'll come to an end.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Oh, man, if we could play a Kalayis Campbell game
winning sack in the year twenty twenty five, we are
going to do it. This man is thirty nine years old,
was drafted in two thousand and eight.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Thought he was maybe the.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Best player on the field for their defense a week ago.
Was a key player tonight, and he said it was
important that he got to rotate in and out. He
wasn't nearly as tired by the end of the game
as he was a week ago, and they were holding
on for deer life. That was Dave Pash by the
way on KMVP. Cardinals win twenty seven to twenty two

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in a game that looked completely over the Cardinals up
three scores and driving in the four quarter before a
Kyler Murray interception kick started a wild comeback and the
Panthers actually having the ball with a chance to win
the game.

Speaker 6 (55:08):
At the end.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Yeah, it was such a like inversion of a game
from most of it until that final quarter and especially
you know, some of the second half overall, but especially
that that final quarter, and then it got really weird
at the end. Kalais Campbell, by the way, was one
of many Cardinals players who defensive players, especially who left

(55:29):
the game at one point, Kalais Campbell, Thank goodness for
the Cardinals did return to make that game ceiling play
at the very end. But by the end of the game,
there are two cornerbacks on the field named Denzel Burke
and Catrell Clark. They were missing will Johnson who has
a groin injury. According to Jonathan Gannon, Max Melton, and
Garrett Williams, and they were down to again these deep

(55:51):
backups because they already been dealing with injuries out at
this position outside and inside at this point. And Jonathan
Gannon really really loves to play dime defense, and he
loves to play rotating coverages and shift his dbs around
and really mix up the looks there, and then he
kind of operates back to front in that way, which

(56:12):
means that what he wants to do on the back
end of his defense will often dictate the type of
pressure that he wants to run. Okay, well down multiple scores.
What starts happening, But they start losing corners right starting
with Melton, and then you know, Williams comes in and
out of the game, Johnson goes out. They start playing
a really regulated defense right, This is basically playing rules

(56:36):
ball against Bryce Young and the Panthers playing more vanilla
coverages than you're used to seeing from Jonathan Gannon not
being able to play as much dime. At this point,
Bryce Young kind of starts dealing a little bit. He
starts slinging the ball around. They end up mounting a
like Bryce Young and Hunter renfro Led come back.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
I mean, after touch after halftime, they go touch down, touchdown, touchdown.

Speaker 10 (57:01):
Now.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
It took them forever.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
It was fourteen plays, fourteen plays, twelve plays, but until
that last drive, which was a total unmitigated disaster almost
for both teams. But for the Cardinals it was just
that they were committing turnovers. For the Panthers, it was
that they couldn't protect Bryce. He couldn't make a decision.
He was holding on to the ball. He was making
groner after groner of decision. And it just is part

(57:22):
of like a season that's already been mostly down, ups
and downs, but mostly downs for Bryce and it started
today with two turnovers in the first two drives.

Speaker 6 (57:32):
And they get it. They get a couple of gifts
from the Cardinals.

Speaker 9 (57:34):
One is that Arizona abandoned the run game with the lead,
they just did not run the ball.

Speaker 6 (57:42):
It felt like they didn't try.

Speaker 9 (57:44):
Kyler had a nasty interception where he was hit as
he threw. They kind of gave the Panthers while they
were on that touchdown run in the second half another opportunity.
In fact, I think it was after the first touchdown
as well, so they really made it a game after that.

Speaker 6 (57:58):
The on side kick come back.

Speaker 9 (58:00):
But yeah, the penalties on that drive, Yeah, a lot
of them on third down as well and fourth down.
That just it was like the Cardinals did everything they
could to give Carolina a chance, but Carolina refused to
snatch this victory.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Yeah, shout out to the Panthers. I was for recovering
an on side kick and just making us all feel
like it's possible again.

Speaker 5 (58:20):
Their first in eighty nine games.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
In the first in the NFL in a while. Like
I think they was at what a four percent hit
rate last year? I think there was only four that Like,
it is very.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Different and like, of course it bounces accidentally off a
Cardinals defender's foot and then mac Wilson touches it right
and then that's what happens, because that was what this
game was Arizona got really sloppy when they had the lead.
They're up twenty seven to ten. Kyler made an incredible
Only Kyler Murray can make this play. Christian rose Boom
was blitzing on a delayed blitz and he was able

(58:50):
to get to him free. But then Kyler Murray like
sort of just like makes his shoulder go limp and
then scoots out of it. And I wish there was
like a Looney Tune soundtrack to the corresponding thirty yard
run likes all over the field. But then they turn
it over and that's a hit by someone named Patrick Jones,
and then dj Wanum picks it off and Bryce Young

(59:11):
after that goes fourteen plays and eighty eight yards on
a really nice, nice drive for the touchdown. I really
appreciated the way that he handled pressure on that. Now
they weren't sending their normal type of pressure.

Speaker 5 (59:23):
They ran out of.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
DB's so they couldn't send the type of pressure Jonathan
Gannon wants to send, but Bryce Young shook off. Baron
Browning creates the flat was open because the backup defensive
back was in the game and got mixed up on
the play and he found Cuba Hubbard for the touchdown
made it twenty seven to fifteen, I mean, and then
Arizona goes three and out. This was a story of
the second half for the Cardinals, just playing with their

(59:46):
food and stalling out after a lead.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
They got that lead though with some of the players
that they brought in, like Josh Sweat started the game
with the stripsack. They had a defensive touchdown from Zaven Collins,
so the Cardinals offen only scored twenty points in this game.
The defense gets a touchdown early off that Josh swt stripsack,
and then they pick off Bryce the very next drive,

(01:00:09):
so their defense got it done. They were going to
hope to get some of their players back healthy in
the secondary. That is concerning because that's one of the
reasons why we like this team a lot. And for
the Panthers, what a disappointing oh and two start, because
even though they rallied a little late, for Bryce to
make that many mistakes in the first two weeks and
for them to feel like one of the worst teams

(01:00:31):
in the NFL at least just through two weeks is
really disappointing. To be back in that position at least tech.
McMillan looks like a dude, like six for one hundred
and has made some of the best incomplete catches out
of bounds I have ever seen in my life. So
they got this one right. Tet McMillan is a dude. Yeah,
it's too bad and they will move on.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
We cannot find another high draft pick Xavier Legette anywhere
on the field. It targeted late in the fourth quarter
at four targets, one catch for negative two yards, and
then got targeted twice in a row by Bryce Young
on a potential touchdown and one of them was defended
and the other one just sailed right over his head.

Speaker 5 (01:01:09):
I mean it is.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Eight targets negative two yards. It was a rough day
so that they are still searching. Another team that was
searching at least for a starting quarterback today was the
San Francisco forty nine Ers. A lot of injuries. They
go into New Orleans and they get a dub one zero.

Speaker 14 (01:01:25):
Three left on the clock.

Speaker 7 (01:01:26):
San Francisco twenty six Saints twenty one, fourth and two.
The biggest player of the game coming up Rappler with
the snap. Here comes pressure football by the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Forty nine ers. There's that forty seven football.

Speaker 7 (01:01:41):
On fourth and two, the pressure came rather.

Speaker 6 (01:01:44):
Football the football.

Speaker 14 (01:01:45):
Cisl Ruiz got it back. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 7 (01:01:48):
On fourth and two the defense comes up big again.

Speaker 19 (01:01:51):
Tim, you gotta have finishers and Rice Houff finishers around
the corner.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Oh, that's why they traded for Bryce Huff, Robert Salas
Old Binky from the New York Jents around the corner.
The forty nine ers stop a New Orleans fourth quarter
rally for the second straight week. Spencer Ratler played pretty
well and had the ball needing a touchdown at the end.
Couldn't get it done. That was Carlos Ramirez and Tim

(01:02:20):
Ryan on ks Fo. Nick Bosa also with some big
plays late in this game. But I assigned myself this
game mostly for one reason.

Speaker 5 (01:02:32):
The storyline you secretly love the Saints.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
No, because Mac Jones and Kyle Shanahan were a love
that was never consummated Patrick.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Back in that draft, and I just wanted.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
To see what sweet, sweet music they could make together.
And after an o for four start for Mac, the
rest of the game he goes thirty of thirty nine
for two seventy nine and three touchdowns and a lot
of third and long conversions. I thought that was the
difference was Kyle Shanahan dialing up perfect plays on third

(01:03:08):
down where he found mismatches, and ultimately Mac Jones being
good enough to deliver the ball to those mismatches.

Speaker 9 (01:03:14):
There were so many moments where I'm looking back and
listening to Greg Rosenthal's voice in my head as Kyle
Shanahan and Mac Jones embrace each other on the sideline,
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
It is you ever hear those stories about like a
couple in high school, maybe they have like a little
bit of a fling, but it doesn't work out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
They move on with their lives for years and years.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
And then they reconnect years later and suddenly they start
making sweet sweet love or football whatever it is. Mac Jones,
he's that man for Kyle Shanahan. It's all he ever wanted,
was Mac Jones in this offense. I think it's gonna
happen this week. Mac plays the best football that he's
ever played. They get the win, and.

Speaker 9 (01:03:59):
That's Greg referencing love itself between Kyle Shanahan and Mac Jones,
and we got to see that love come to trumission
here in this moment where there were there were some
up and down moments for mac Jones in this one,
but the crossord to Jennings that he takes to the house.
They desperately need Juwan Jennings on this team. It seems

(01:04:19):
to hinge on whether or not he's healthy. And then
Christian McCaffrey running a route against the corner like still
being CMC, still winning prefact in the back of the
end zone. That was nasty that this team being at
tu and O, the Cardinals being at tu and O
the Rams. It's it's a fun division, but they're gonna
need Brock.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
They're gonna need Brock in the long run.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
But this is kind of like one of one of
those games I'm talking about where it's like managed the schedule,
it's you know, you don't have Kittle, you don't have
mac Jones. I think the Saints are a little better
than people think. They're not great, but they've taken like
a good honest effort by these two NFC West teams
to come in there and in both games, like when
you're looking at yardage and most of the plays, like
they've been two pretty evenly played games. But you mentioned

(01:05:01):
that late first half Christian McCaffrey seven yard touchdown pass.
That was a great two minute drive by mac Jones
in the offense because they got the ball with about
a minute to go and went right down the field,
and that was a great route by McCaffrey. But I
was thinking of another like third and long and a
key spot in the second half where he gets him
matched up against Pete Warner and like there's just no chance.

(01:05:23):
And there was just a few of those third down
mismatches where Kyle was in his bag, like Jake tongas
the hero from a year ago, with a very Kyle
uscheck type of route where he's like almost like a
full back on the play and he totally confuses the
Saints and he's wide open on third down. You mentioned
the long Jennings touchdown. There just was a lot of

(01:05:44):
coaching wins I thought, and Kyle well appreciate. I think
mac Jones basically did what Kyle wanted to do and
didn't freak out. Didn't have those freak out mac Jones
moments other than like the first drive of the Gamers, He.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
Played a clean game over the next couple of weeks.
That is all Kyle Shanna wants from his quarterback is to.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Play it did fumble twice. I should point out singing
his praises.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Sure in terms of his passing, he played a clean game,
no interception, three touchdowns, seventy nine two or seventy nine
yards twenty six for thirty nine. You know he he
see ball where ball must go.

Speaker 5 (01:06:20):
Listen an ear where ball must go. Throw ball to
that spot.

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
That is what for the next few weeks until brock
perty who can throw it around a little bit more
and can take the risky throws. We've seen him gain
Kyle Shanahan's trust in order to do that. This is
going to be one of those things where if he
is debuting like this, mac Jones is for Kyle the
way that Kyle clearly and really wants him to Kyle
and the rest of this offense will do the rest.

(01:06:43):
And that is where I think that this is actually
a sneaky good situation minus the injury.

Speaker 5 (01:06:48):
But if you're going to have.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
A backup, have the backup who is going to adhere
exactly to what the head coach is going.

Speaker 5 (01:06:56):
To want you to do.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
He kind of reminded me of Party in this game too,
because they did not play that well on for and
second down, and there were a lot of third and
long situations where he was not afraid to fire it
in there. I think one of the biggest plays of
the game was Ricky Pearsall coming back. Those mac Jones
passes take a while to get there, and they're just
in there and it's it's third and long and he
puts it in the right spot for Pearsaw, but it's
just hanging up there and I'm like, someone is gonna, yeah,

(01:07:19):
knock that away or intercept it. But Pearsaw comes back
for the ball. And there were a couple of plays
like that where I just thought it was good teamwork,
like good good receiving. Kendrick Bourne had three catches in
this game, but they all felt like big plays, like
he was playing a lot. And I think CMC's juice
is back. I was a little bit on cmc juice
watch last week. Oh not that he's on the juice,

(01:07:40):
but just like I didn't see quite the explosion. There
have been accusations, not by me, this one more just
like he actually played I think with a little more
explosion like he warmed up last week.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
Yeah, I mean watching his movement on that touchdown route
that he ran. But then also and I don't I
realized just now I sounded like I was like not
giving mac Jones credit for making a couple of good throws.

Speaker 5 (01:08:01):
One that the Juwan Dennings big gain touchdown.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
That's a timing throw, like you have to really understand
exactly when the receiver is going to hit the void
between all of the defenders at the exact perfect time,
and understand where you've got to put the ball at
a certain point in your drop right, and then the
CMC touchdown, you have to drop that pass up and
over the top of the defender without getting a lot
of reps to do that with the running back in practice,

(01:08:26):
because Christian McCaffrey is still on that sort of like
half practice workload, right because he's been doing that that's
his quote unquote normal load management. So I want to
give mac Jones the credit there. I'm just saying that,
like this cast, even without George Kittle as a security blanket,
has plenty of players who are willing and able to

(01:08:46):
also come and help the quarterback as well as the
head coach scheming things up.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Yeah, I gotta be a frustrating game, I think for
the Saints when they look back at it. Again, they
look good when they're playing fast in hurry up.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Spencer Ratler had a similar day to a week ago.
I mean you look at it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
He throws at three, you know, for two hundred and
seven yards and three touchdowns on thirty four like only
nine incompletions and some of the prettiest passes you'll see,
Like he just dropped a dime to Shaheed in the
first half of this game. There was a great touchdown
to Vela even though it was short, like it was
the right read a Lave, like he had some dimes,
but the timing was just a little off a couple times,

(01:09:23):
like they could have gone up an early touchdown and
he misses a Lave who's wide open because he's just
a little early on the throw. And like just missing
a lot of drops too for the Saints offense. Johnson
couple Juwan Johnson had at least two or three. They
had four drops in the first half, like a lot
of penalties. So just too many mistakes by the Saints
for the second straight week. Though they were competitive. Let's

(01:09:46):
take a break and afterwards we're gonna be welcoming in
Nick Schuk to talk about maybe the game of the day.

Speaker 20 (01:10:00):
Okay, right, hash forty six win the game, good operation
forty six.

Speaker 5 (01:10:06):
The kick.

Speaker 14 (01:10:08):
Wins the game, Butter TX for Butter.

Speaker 20 (01:10:14):
Cowboys wins in overtime forty to forty seven.

Speaker 14 (01:10:20):
But you're glad you played attention.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
To this kid.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
I am. That's Sam God, Brad Sham k rl D.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Brandon Aubrey really is smooth like Butter. Apparently, uh Cowboys
crew and Eric was listening in. We're talking about Brandon
Aubrey at the end of regulation when they when they
asked him to hit that sixty four yard and they
tried to ice him, and they were saying, you can't
ice Butter. You can't ice Butter, and Brandon Aubrey agrees,
and he becomes literally the only man in the history

(01:10:54):
of this great league.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Nick Schook to hit a game.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
Tying field go at the buzzer and a game winning
field goal at the buzzer in overtime, which isn't shocking
because how many you know, game winning field goals have
there been at the buzzer in overtime?

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Not a lot, Nick Shook.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
And if I was going to guess one kicker to
do that, especially hidden from sixty four in regulation, it
was Brandon Aubrey.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
So much happened in this game, Nick.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
The fourth quarter began with the score seventeen to sixteen,
Dallas Cowboys winning. The game ended forty to thirty seven.
I don't envy you choosing where to even start talking
about this, Nick, so I just give the floor to you.

Speaker 14 (01:11:39):
Well, I hate to start with the loser, but the
narrative going to this game was Russell Wilson should be
benched for Jackson Dart. This might be his last ditch
attempt to get the job. And then he threw for
four hundred and fifty yards and three touchdowns, and the
people on the broadcast were essentially comparing him to old
Seattle Russ and they even made a let Russ Cook
mention during the show. That was the story of this

(01:12:01):
game until he threw an interception in overtime, which then
set up the Cowboys to lean on Brandon Aubrey to
hit that field goal, which, by the way, I've never
felt more confident in the kicker making, and that felt
like a chip shot for me, just watching like he's
definitely gonna make this, Like I'd put my whole life
on the fact that he's going to make this field
goal right now, which he did. The crazier thing and
Mina tweeted this out is it was diabolical that they

(01:12:22):
would run a draw to set up a sixty four
yarder for Brandon Aubrey to go to overtime. That's just
how much of a weapon he is. And it's obviously
huge because it won the game at cents overtime and
then won the game. But there's so much more to
unpack a quarterback duel almost identical games. They each threw
a pretty bad interception, one costs one team more than

(01:12:44):
the other. You had receivers making plays for the Giants,
it was meliek Neighbors and Wandale Robinson. For the Cowboys,
it was Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens and Jake Ferguson.
And you had random breakdowns and coverage defense didn't exist
in the fourth quarter. It was high octane football. It
was fitting of AT and T Stadium and Jerry World,
and it's perfect that it was between the Cowboys and

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the New York Giants.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
Some of the touchdowns in this game were so incredible.
I don't know which one to even choose, but I
do think we should back it up to the final
minute because George Pickens catches a touchdown from Dak Prescott,
who played outstanding again three sixty one and two to
go up thirty four to thirty and it's back and
forth all fourth grade. There's only fifty two seconds left

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at that point, and the Giants need a touchdown to
potentially win the game. And that's exactly what they get.
Only twenty seven seconds later.

Speaker 8 (01:13:39):
Wilson out of the shotguns set on a second and ten.

Speaker 16 (01:13:44):
Drops back hastime deep ball downfield looking for Neighbors.

Speaker 6 (01:13:48):
Who takes the room in double.

Speaker 21 (01:13:51):
Coverage fortier yard touchdown pass Wilson Neighbors pivot Giants takes
the league. Oh boy, there were two defenders draped down
a Carl and Russell. Wilson with this classic bootball delivers
for the Giants.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
We could show highlights of this game like all day
Nick that the early Neighbors touchdown was like one of
the best plays that you could ever see out of
a wide receiver. Wandel had that fourth quarter like he
ends up with one hundred and forty two yards, Neighbors
ends up with one sixty seven, Like are you more
worried about the Dallas defense or just impressed that the

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Giants could do this without much of a running game today.

Speaker 14 (01:14:34):
Well, I want to point first to that call because
whoever was doing the color commentary there just like softly said,
oh boy, as if like he needed to sit down
and like take a breath.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
That was Carl Banks. That was Giant's legend. Carl Banks,
thank you for pointing that out. And Bob Papa on Wfan.

Speaker 14 (01:14:50):
It was fitting of the day because you could take
this in so many different directions. Am I more concerned
about the Cowboys? I mean, this is the Cowboys defense.
We thought, right, we talked about this last week. Great,
they're gonna be an offense team. We know that they're
weak on defense. And it did not shock me at
all that Wandale's going right down the middle of the
field for huge gains through the air. It happened early
in the game and then was brought back by penalty.
The Giants started this game very sloppily. There was four

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straight penalties on Hudson, the tackle, the backup tackle who
was in there for Andrew Thomas. He had like a
mini meltdown on the field. Four straight penalties in the
first quarter. The broadcast team was like you have to
take him out now, right, like you've got to make
the change.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
These are disaster and they did and they got better
immediately with Marcus yesbo or whatever I over you say
that name.

Speaker 14 (01:15:32):
Yes, So like that was concerning. I'm not concerned about
the Cowboys defense. I'm not at all shocked by it.
I just feel bad for the Giants that are now
they're not zero and too, and they played their tails
off in this game like they were not the Giants
team of last week. They were still limited in the
red zone early and then they broke through in a
big way and they were making splash plays all afternoon.
And I'm like, this is the Brian Davile offense we

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always imagined it to be in New York, and yet
they still come out on the losing side of the ledger.
The Cowboys are just gonna to put up a lot
of points this season. It's just it's who they are.
They can't cover effectively. We know Trevon Diggs is still
like he didn't start the season one hundred percent healthy
and at one hundred percent participation rate that continues to increase.
But we just know that they that they're lacking after
they traded Micah Parsons and this is just their reality.

Speaker 9 (01:16:16):
Well it gets better because they signed to Davian Clowney.
Oh boy, here we also announcing that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
I mean, it's not a bad idea.

Speaker 6 (01:16:23):
They have a glaring needed edge for some reason, which.

Speaker 9 (01:16:27):
May kind of play into these moonball situations where if
eleven at the time is on the field for the
Dallas Cowboys, Yeah, typically the Russell Wilson isn't going to
have time to make some of these throws where it's
just but even like Pop Warner level, to let the
league neighbors get behind you with twenty six seconds on
the clock is insane.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
To well and over and over in the game, like
it wasn't the first time.

Speaker 9 (01:16:52):
And also like there was a bounce back game for
CD got eleven targets, caught nine of them after all
the drops you mentioned, Dak playing well and also Javonte Williams.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
He's back, He's full with that.

Speaker 9 (01:17:05):
Yeah, like this is a contributing, viable Fantasy team member
at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Of one hundred and thirty yards from scrimmage including six catches.

Speaker 9 (01:17:14):
But all the conversation about the Giants front and for
all the bluster from Phillips and his personal beef with
Ceedee Lamb and trying to slam him over. They struggled
to cover him and Pickens, which is the vision coming in.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
I was hoping for points for this one because the
Cowboys are a little last year's Bengalsey a little bit
to me in terms of they are just going to
have to score as many points as possible to even
stay in these games.

Speaker 10 (01:17:39):
And I.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
Can't help myself. I find myself really liking watching this.
Brian Schottenheimer, Yeah, I mean I just sort of am like,
all right, well, we just won't really watch defense at
this point because it's not really happening. But at the
same time, Dak Prescott is playing some of the best
football of any quarterback in the NFL right now, and
Brian Schottenheimer is is calling a really smart game. His

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run game with Clayton Adams and Javonte Williams is so solid.
Clayton Adams being the offensive coordinator and former offensive line
coach he came over from Arizona. This is a really
really fun, risky offense. And then to the point of
the Russell Wilson experience, man nobody's celebrating harder than I
am seeing this totally vintage Russell Wilson moment. But then

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for every one of those, you get what happens in overtime,
which is a bad decision on a moon ball by
Russell Wilson that's intercepted.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
Well, and that came after, you know, they're at a
second and three situation, after the Giants defense stopped Dak
Prescott in overtime, and I just figured first team with
the ball wins, and the Giants get the ball and
they're on a second and three after a good drive
starter and Russell Wilson, like like, holds onto the ball
and buy mistake, fumbles the ball backwards and that ends
up killing that drive because he essentially just threw it

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backwards out of bounds. And then the interception just a
brutal end to what it was otherwise like an incredible game,
because it wouldn't it wouldn't be fair to say he
had just as many mistakes as as good plays. He
had a million good plays, and the mistakes came in overtime.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
Played great and the mistakes came when they absolutely could not.
At the most crucial moment happened.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
But if his defense just get to stop at the
end of the game or Brandon Aubrey then you were
There were never.

Speaker 5 (01:19:20):
Even Giants giveth with Russell Wilson and they taketh away
emblematic in this game.

Speaker 6 (01:19:26):
Which so much happened in this game, but I do
have to mention it.

Speaker 9 (01:19:29):
There was a play where the Giants had three penalties
on one play if they were there was an illegal
illegal hands roughing the passer on Dak Prescott and pass
interference on Ceede Lamb in the end zone. But it
got wiped away because CD celebrated the pass interference too vigorously.
It was all wiped away off setting penalties, replayed the

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down and that was this game.

Speaker 6 (01:19:51):
In the nutshell.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
This is the number one draft pick in the in
the game pass draft. Unless you're just in a hurry shook.
It de bends what type of game you want to
knock out first. You don't have to because you watched it.
You also watch a classic. I'm gonna call it a classic.
It was pretty fun in Lucas Oil Stadium.

Speaker 16 (01:20:06):
Three seconds left, the Colts could win it right here
and right now. This will be the last play of
the game. From now by two a sixty yard field
goal from Spencer Strader Sanchez to put it down.

Speaker 14 (01:20:17):
Stamp placement kick. It's on its way, headed twenty uprights
and it air is no good.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
It one's up short.

Speaker 6 (01:20:25):
Wait a minute, there's a flag.

Speaker 16 (01:20:27):
There's a flag on the field at the forty one
yard line. Hang on just a second at flag on
the play, first sip leverage defense and ninety say what
about it?

Speaker 6 (01:20:39):
First down.

Speaker 12 (01:20:43):
Yarder?

Speaker 16 (01:20:43):
Oh boy, And this is much more manageable here for
Spencer Schrader. This is a forty five yard try to
win the game, no time left on the clock. Colts
down by two, twenty eight to twenty six. San Chez
to put it down. Here's the snap tick. It's on
its way, headed for the.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
Field goal.

Speaker 7 (01:21:06):
Spitzers Trader Ridget for the Colts coach twin twenty nine
twenty age boll game.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
Why the ecstasy.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
The agony just thirty seconds.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Apart from Matt Taylor and Rick.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
Van Turrey on w F and why yes the Colts
after thinking the game was over and if they had lost,
because Shane Steichen had some of the most gutless pathetic
play calling right before that field goal. Not that different,
you know from what Shoty did with Dallas, but at
least shot he's got. Brandon Aubrey gets another shot at it.

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Trader hits it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
Shock you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
You don't want to say a whole game came down
to a one play, one penalty in this case, you know,
kind of did.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
But the Colts won it twenty nine.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
To twenty eight and did a lot of other good
things in this game.

Speaker 14 (01:21:59):
Tell me, yeah, I mean, the whole game came down
to two right feet, one owned by Spencer Strader, the
other owned by Will Lutts. Will Lutz claimed the field
goal off the upright, which kept us a two point
game and gave the Colts just enough room to move
down the field and miss and then actually make that
field goal to win the game. But yeah, there was
a lot to like from both sides.

Speaker 6 (01:22:19):
You know.

Speaker 14 (01:22:20):
Daniel Jones has another solid day. I'm starting to accept
that maybe this is Daniel Jones with Shane Steichen. Still
a little too early to tell, you know, votes are
still being tallied, It's too early to call the race.
But right now as I see it, Daniel Jones looks
very comfortable in this offense. He had another strong day.
Jonathan Taylor brought great balance to this offense finishes with
the one hundred and sixty five yards of twenty five attempts.

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He catches a long pass that sets up a score
for them. They had some struggles in the red zone early,
They had some struggles getting the ball in the end
zone the fourth quarter, and yet somehow, some way, they
make up a deficit with strictly field goals in the
fourth quarter. That's how weird this game got. Spencer Schrader
keeps his perfect career streak going because he got a
second chance. He goes five for five today. Entering Sunday,

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he'd made all nine of his career attempts. He's as
green as it gets. And yet he came through for them.
And the Broncos go back to Denver at one in
one thinking, how on earth did we just lose this game?
Because they were seemingly a step ahead for most of
this contest. They were good in the red zone early,
Bonix was slaying the football over the field. You had
nice runs from JK. Dobbins. Then you had him spike
the ball, get a delay a game and other penalty follows.

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They knocked themselves out of scoring range, they stall, they
shot themselves in the foot, a lot. I think in
the second half of this game, which is Sean Payton's
gonna watch this tape and be pretty frustrated know that
they let one slip away, but it made for a
great viewing experience for us.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
Nick, I have a question for you. I didn't get
to have full view of this game. I was kind
of flipping through a couple of others at the same time.
And this Colt's team. I mean, I love that they're
making plays on the ball. I love that they're aggressive.
We've been calling at the end of renaissance for Louienna
Rumo coming over there with a couple of playmakers. I
really really appreciate, especially some of the things that's schematically

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Shane Steichen is doing balance. My question for you is,
after watching especially this week two is less of a
liar game against the top defense, do you think the
Colts are bona fide legit.

Speaker 14 (01:24:11):
I mean there's there's levels to legitimus right, Like, what's
too legit is the proper word, right, well, too legit
to quit? No, I mean I think the levels are
like they're legit enough to contend for the AFC South
if they played this in a weekly basis because their
defense is playing well enough to keep them in these
games and their offense is balanced and effective through two weeks.
So yeah, I do very much think that they're a

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team that's strong enough on both sides of the ball
to not collapse or completely fall out of the AFC
South race as they have in recent years. And we
understand now after two games why Shane Steichen was so
confident in his choice of Daniel Jones. You know, the
proof is right there. We can just look at that
and be like, all right, I get it, But there's
levels this because of the two defenses. I thought Denver's

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defense would play better in this game. And this is
why the first month of the season is a liar
to us, because we don't know a month from now,
Denver's d events could be miles ahead of where the
Colts are. But as we stand right now, they did
a good enough job bottling up the Broncos, especially when
it became very important in the second half and the
fourth quarter specifically to get the job done. And that's
really all we can measure them by right now. So yeah,

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my convoluted answer to that is.

Speaker 5 (01:25:16):
Yes and no.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Like what I'm seeing, Wait, look they out gained him
by one hundred and fifty yards, so it was not
a cheap victory. The Colts did out gain the Broncos,
and Danny Dimes through two weeks has five hundred and
eighty eight yards passing.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
Is he playing himself on the quarterback Island?

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
Five total touchdowns?

Speaker 14 (01:25:36):
What's the most important at what's the most important stat
with Daniel Jones?

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
No turnovers?

Speaker 5 (01:25:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:25:40):
No turnover, no fumbles.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Even not even like a fumble that he didn't lose.

Speaker 5 (01:25:44):
No freak no freakouts.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
Yet we're only two weeks in. That's the thing about
quarterback Island. You need a little bit of stay in power.
So if he stays at this level, I think it's
fair to say right now through two weeks he is
helping to find the quarterback position in twenty twenty five.
He is one of these stories in the NFL, so stiching,
So is Tyler Warren who led them today.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
It's all two weeks.

Speaker 5 (01:26:11):
Yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
That place where he came out of the backfield was
so much fun. Just shot him right up through the
a gap on a sale concept.

Speaker 5 (01:26:19):
I just I loved it so much.

Speaker 6 (01:26:21):
I'm thankful that he.

Speaker 5 (01:26:22):
Just made a noise like.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
A second, Like I loved it and the plane.

Speaker 5 (01:26:29):
Because you were off screen. You were off screen and
you made the noise. Should I be here right.

Speaker 9 (01:26:34):
Now, it's gonna be We're gonna have shook sing underneath
an entire cut up of Tyler Warren which through two weeks. Yeah,
the criticism of like, oh, Penn State's forcing him opportunities. Yeah,
you force them the ball, you get them the ball
however you can, if you could snap the ball, I
have him do that too.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
Right, And I like, you know, Pierce, other than that
one catch last week was quiet. Him and Josh Downs,
who both didn't do much a week go, and we
are both really good end up being really important parts
of this game, whereas like Michael Pittman kind of takes
a step back. There is diversity there. And Jonathan Taylor
two hundred and fifteen yards from scrimmage twenty five carries

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two catches.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
That's pretty sweet.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
Bo Nicks had a crucial interception in the second half.
He said it was just a bad throw.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
He just missed.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
There was nothing confusing about it. Is interesting that JK.
Dobbins got so much more of the workload than RJ.
Harvey Troy Franklin with a breakout game eight for eighty nine,
but the rest of the Broncos receivers didn't really get
much going. No one else over twenty four yards of
the Broncos a disappointing loss. We think of Sean Payton
as a team that's really buttoned up, discipline, well coached.

(01:27:44):
He said it after the game, like we gave this
game away so many mental errors. The Colts are too
to zero. Let's go down to the game that no
one actually took. That was the game that we all
kept deny on. Yes, things were bad in the AFC
East coming into Sundays Dolphins and.

Speaker 18 (01:28:02):
Now it's going to be a fourth down and twelve
for Miami right to kill up. It's going to Hill, Washington, Waddell,
It's going to Hill, chand big pushing on the left side.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
As Takoby Loa takes the snap.

Speaker 18 (01:28:15):
He dropped back.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
He looked at it though he's press Williams take down
to the backfield.

Speaker 10 (01:28:21):
I'm the Patriots on the verge of taking down Miami
for the first time since twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Hill him South Florida.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
That was Bob Sochi with Scott Zolac on WBZ. Wilton
Williams got all that money for a reason. Moments like
that sack to win the game, ending a disastrous final
sequence for Tua Tongue of Iloa thirty three to twenty
seven in a back in fourth game. And I mentioned

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that sequence specifically because it really looked like whoever had
the ball at the end was probably gonna win. And
when the Dolphins got it and they had a short
field to work with after you know, the rookie kicker
for the Patriots, yeh didn't make it to the landing zone.
I thought they were gonna go and make it happen.
And to a Sales a wide open pass on first down.

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On third down, he leaves before he really needs to.
He had a wide open receiver with a mismatch that
Devon h Chan over the middle going up against a
linebacker which was a mismatch all day, and his eyes
go down and he almost kind of runs into the
sack on third down, and then he takes another sack
on fourth down, and it was just a really disappointing

(01:29:37):
lack of composure from to on a day that he
played quite well until that moment. Mike McDaniel was very
frustrated with that ending sequence.

Speaker 22 (01:29:49):
Ultimately, I look at absolutely everything falling on me, So
I don't see you know, that's the responsibility of a
head coach that you go into knowing that. That being said,
I'm very frustrated with you know, collected. You know, there's
some basically coaches and players that.

Speaker 5 (01:30:12):
Did not.

Speaker 22 (01:30:14):
Execute communication in a very dire period of the game.
You know, with with the game on the line, our
communication and our substitution was not.

Speaker 7 (01:30:31):
Up to par.

Speaker 22 (01:30:32):
We had the opportunity to win the game, and we
robbed it from ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
So I said that to have played well for most
of the game that you know, that was really the
second and third quarters where they scored on every possession,
but in the fourth quarter punt interception and downs, And
I think the thing that killed McDaniel was the interception
on fourth down to through on the previous possession where
they barely got the playoff before that fourth down, and
then he just threw a panic pick. And there were

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some good things this game patrick for the Dolphins offensively,
but not much on defense. And ultimately, it doesn't matter
how you lose with this team, they just desperately needed
to win.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
They didn't get it.

Speaker 9 (01:31:09):
Even the guys who played well relatively today. Devon h
Chan had a touchdown reception. He had what could have
been a go ahead score in the final minutes of
the game, but we thought it was stepped out of bounce.

Speaker 6 (01:31:20):
He fully was celebrating.

Speaker 9 (01:31:22):
This was a game where you had Malik Washington have
a putt return the very next play. Antonio Gibson has
a kickoff return for touchdowns. So many things happened where
the Dolphins. If something good happened, they would immediately give
it away. And the only reason the Dolphins didn't still
have a streak of the opponent scoring on every single

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possession was because they that ah Chan score at the
end of the first half didn't leave the Patriots enough time,
so they kneeled out the clock. Otherwise the Colts and
the Patriots would have gone three straight halfs of football,
scoring every single time they got the ball. So it's
a collective failure, as Mike points out, but everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
And then even when they finally get a force a
couple punts in the second half and actually stopped the
Patriots and forced the field goal to give themselves another chance,
there was a lot of mistakes by the Patriots at
the end of this game, too special teams fails and
the defense does give up a touchdown drive to where
Ramandre you know, gets over on this long throw. Just
a lot going wrong, but a lot went right for

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the Patriots offense too, on a day they needed it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
Yeah, I will say this not to sound dramatic. It
will inevitably sound dramatic, like sort of like how Mike
McDaniels sounded just now and that dramatic gesture at the
end of the game when when Milton Williams got the
sack and Mike McDaniels sort of like folded over on
the sideline and disappointment. This very much feels like not

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only an offense, but a Patriots team that is on
the rise of something or at the beginning of something
in a positive way.

Speaker 5 (01:32:55):
They're starting to put different pieces together.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
Certainly you've seen that from some of their veteran Moulton
Williams both weeks, but on their offensive side.

Speaker 5 (01:33:02):
Definitely saw more of that this week.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
And on the other hand, it feels like a Miami
Dolphins team that is very much at the end of something.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
Yeah, seeing Tyreek Hill jump up and down being upset
after to skies him with that pass.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Shaking your head, shuck it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
It's disappointing because look, Tyreek quent six for one oh
nine and that was the only incompletion thrown his way.
But that's kind of where they're at, and their defense
was terrible that this was a game with so few drives.
The Patriots only had seven drives in this game, and
Drake May was really efficient with those drives.

Speaker 14 (01:33:36):
Yeah, I'm shaking my head because you're right about Tyreek Hill.
I mean even the body language. He catches a long
pass down the sideline and he goes to try to
make a move and then gets frustrated that he has
to step out of bounds and you can just see
it in his body language in that moment, how irritated
is that he can't make a bigger impact. But I
was really shaking my head because Jordan said exactly what
I was thinking. It feels like two ships passing the night,
going in opposite directions. This is the checkpoint, this is

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where we're going to look back. I think that's when
the Patriots to turn their first initial corner, and that
was the first real sign that the Dolphins are going
toward a dark place under this current regime, because they're
close in terms of how they competed against each other
today and not even the final result, but just how
they conducted themselves. And that's concerning for the Dolphins and
encouraging for the Patriots. Watching Mike Vrabels sprint down the

(01:34:19):
sideline following Antonio Gibson on that kick return touchdown, I
was like, he's having fun. He's back to enjoying coaching.
This is a landmark moment for the Patriots under Mike Rable.
I know it's only week two, but this is something
they're going to look back at and be like, that
was it right there. Whereas the Dolphins, everything is difficult
for them. The defense that we thought was going to
be their strength, especially that front seven, fails to consistently

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cause issues. Now they go after Drake May a couple
of times, but it just wasn't consistent enough to short
circuit this offense. You're giving up jump not even a
jump ball, just so fifty to fifty one on one
shot to Kaishan booting the end zone where he makes
a great grab, but you're giving that up for a touchdown.
That's a play that you should be able to bat down.
That's just the state of your team right now. And
even on a day in which to A plays well
for most of the game, they crumb in that final

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sequence where he just seemed like he was overwhelmed by it.
And that's not acceptable for a guy who has as
much experience as he does, especially when he's tasked with
carrying this team and they just haven't been able to
execute this year.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
Yeah, you probably won't see a sequence the rest of
the year. A seventy four yard punt return touchdown by
Malik Washington, as Patrick mentioned earlier, followed by the ninety
yard kickoff Thurn touchdown, and Stefan Diggs was quoted after
the game asked, you know if he saw Vrabel running
down the sidelines on that kickoff return. He said, yeah,
I saw. I just saw a clip of it. He's
slow as hell, It's true. He definitely looked. He played

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a lot of NFL football and it's taken a little
out of Mike Rabel, but they got to enjoy a win.
And I got a text during at the end of
this game from a front of the show, Ollie Connelly,
who noted the first game of Drake May's career where
he faced under twenty percent pressure rate and he shredded,
you know, twenty three attempts for two hundred and thirty

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yards in two touchdowns. If you protect this guy, he
can perform. And actually when he was under pressure in
this game for five for one hundred and five yards,
including that great throw to Romandre. So on a day
where they got almost nothing out of their wide receivers,
he was just spreading around to Hooper and Stevenson and
Henry and just each receiver making like one play.

Speaker 5 (01:36:12):
It was enough. Any moved he wasn't afraid to move around.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
Yeah, ten rushes for thirty one yards. I think that
includes some kneel downs too in the touchdown and Remandre
don't dig dirt on his career yet. Trevion Henderson is
not playing that much right now. I think he will
in the end. But only sixteen snaps for him today,
whereas Ramandre had one hundred and forty two yards from scrimmage.
They get the first win of the mic Bable era.
Let's go to Baltimore to wrap up our little nick

(01:36:40):
shook four pack.

Speaker 10 (01:36:43):
Tamar from the gun will throw lofts it near sideline
looking for Hopkins and JOm that's a j.

Speaker 19 (01:36:49):
One touchdown DeAndre Hopkins and they're not gonna overrule that one.

Speaker 16 (01:36:55):
Yeah, it's unbelievable.

Speaker 18 (01:36:58):
Lamar just put a loft on that ball and then
lets Hopkins make them move on the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
Breaking news from Rod Woodson on wb AL DeAndre Hopkins
has great hands.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
Always good to hear.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
Jerry Sandusky on the show forty one to seventeen. Yes,
Nuke has put a highlight touchdown on the board back
to back weeks, even though he's not getting like a
ton of snaps. They'll take that if that can continue
all season. Shook a game where you look at the
box score and it's thoroughly confusing that the Browns ran

(01:37:32):
almost twenty more plays than the Ravens, gained eighty more
yards than the Ravens, and yet the score was forty
one to ten until a late Dylan Gabriel touchdown.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
That's how ugly this one got for the Browns.

Speaker 14 (01:37:47):
That's gonna be the theme of the brown season, and
not to start with a loser, but it's just too
fitting the twenty twenty five Cleveland Browns. How the hell
did this happen? That's just what the whole season is
going to be It's gonna be their slogan, because once
again in the second straight week, they didn't really dominate
in the box score, but they did succeed in the
box score, and they lose this time by a wide
margin the Ravens. You know, this is a difference between

(01:38:08):
a team that knows how to win, has been there before,
and is going to be a title contender, and a
team that is very far from being that. And I
don't want to point to the details like I did
last week with the Browns, but it wasn't the details.
It's also in the fact that no matter how well
their defense plays, their offense is so limited that there
they have to be almost perfect to have a shot
against a team like Baltimore. Baltimore gets the job done

(01:38:29):
by look, their offense struggled, but they had a blocked punt,
They capitalized in the short field there for points. They
just consistently capitalized in the Browns small mistakes and then
ran away with it in the fourth quarter because they
are a team that is still producing explosive plays. We
had multiple touchdown passes of twenty plus yards tas Walker
continues his streak of only catching touchdown passes. He's got

(01:38:49):
three career receptions, they've all gone for touchdown.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
It's like a little different but similar vibe.

Speaker 14 (01:38:57):
Yeah, yeah, similar vibes Yeah and yeah again. Like when
you watch this game, you think two things. Brown's defense
is playing well, they're keeping them in this game. The
Ravens are eventually going to break through that, and the
Browns offense is not going to have a shot to
keep up. Joe Flacco looked very old and slow today.
There was a couple instances in which he tried to
scramble and it looked like he was running in quicksand
with concrete shoes. It was that slow. He throws a

(01:39:19):
pick on one of those scrambles. Nate Wiggins returns it,
and we know how fast Nate Wiggins is. Flacco tries
to double back and catch him. He's getting out run
by Joel Buttonio to tackle Nate Wiggins and prevent him
from scoring a touchdown on that interception. So not to
knock on Flacco, but it's rough watching this Browns offense.
And this is exactly what I expect the team like
the Ravens to do in a game like this.

Speaker 9 (01:39:40):
Shook, I could not disagree more, Andrew Wiggins gets in
the end zone if not for Joe Flacco hit sixteen
point eight miles per hour.

Speaker 6 (01:39:48):
Oh come back, no go, watch the playgous.

Speaker 5 (01:39:51):
He threw the chip, He took the chip out of
his jersey, threw sixteen.

Speaker 1 (01:39:54):
Point Eight's not that fast. Nate Wiggins, by the way,
Andrew Wiggins.

Speaker 6 (01:39:58):
Oh my gosh, a star. Yeah, I called cam buying
them Andrew bid him earlier.

Speaker 9 (01:40:03):
So it's both two of those things as I'm falling apart.
But like, yeah, Joe Flacco is hanging in there at
his advanced stage. I'm clearly experiencing cognitive clime. But Joe
Flacco is making plays on defense, which is not what
you want as a Browns fan. And yeah, it Shook
pointed it all out. The Browns defense could have been

(01:40:24):
a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
It's going to be a good defense this year.

Speaker 9 (01:40:26):
Derrick Henry could get nothing going on the ground, and
there was pressure on La Mar from Miles Garrett. On
a key play where Mark Andrews scored a touchdown, John
Harball for some reason, has the challenge flag in his hands,
is looking at this on the replay board, puts it
back in. Took so long to make the decision. They
barely get the snap off in time. Of course, Miles

(01:40:47):
Garrett's looking at the clock, gets a sack out of it.
But I mean that's picking and choosing what to be
frustrated about when that they were uneasily.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
Yeah, if you had told me, like Derrick Henry's held
the twenty three yards, I mean Grant Delpit justice for Grant.

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
He was right.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
It was easy to tackle Dereck Henry, at least for
this Browns team. Apparently like that, he gets out rushed
by Jerome Ford six for thirty one and then quich
shot Junkins end up playing a lot, and I know
some of it's in garbage time ten for sixty one.
Like you would have thought they were more in this
game than they were. It's too bad because I think
they have a lot of They have two great defensive
players in Miles Garrett and Denz Award. And Miles Garrett

(01:41:22):
after the game was pretty upset.

Speaker 11 (01:41:25):
It's embarrassing and we got to be better on defense.
We gotta be better as a team. Know they slowly
chipped away, No, we did know a solid job, no
holding the three when we could, and then eventually the
damn broke and then they just did whatever they wanted
and we have to continue to play a sixty minute.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
Game while we're listening to some sound. I loved his bluntness.
I also loved Lamar Jackson just having a little fun
after the game, a little subtle fun.

Speaker 23 (01:41:55):
You look, extremely maturity. Turn those kelp whom points off
the board. Shut that wild touch now. But those guys
just did they none eleven.

Speaker 6 (01:42:06):
You know they did it. I'm sorry I shouldn't say that.

Speaker 23 (01:42:07):
You know, they might turn this into a meme with somebody,
and you know, we just did the whole thing. But
they do what they're supposed to do to the Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:14):
That was a reference to Marlon Humphrey last week saying
the Ravens defense needs to work on our maturity, and
then Kyle Hamilton kind of shot right back at Marlon Humphrey.
During the week, it was like a fun little back
and forth of what they thought. And now it's all
over because the Ravens won.

Speaker 3 (01:42:29):
I just want to take this moment to salute Greg
Rosenthal for true profiles of courage in picking this game,
as in the Ravens as his survivor pick this week.

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
I don't think you know how a survivor pool they're
supposed to work that you let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:42:45):
You from the jump, would be so lopsided that you
did not even try to pick even something you knew
would be close, such as myself in week one.

Speaker 1 (01:42:52):
I don't think you understand what the survivor pools are
supposed to be.

Speaker 5 (01:42:55):
I don't think you understand.

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
You want to pick the one that you think is
the easiest. In fact, stupidly thought the Browns we're going
to cover this eleven and a half.

Speaker 5 (01:43:03):
I apologize, I understand.

Speaker 1 (01:43:04):
I apologize for so the picks listeners out there. Yes,
let's go. We all survived, except for Steve Weis, who
I had asked he was not on the Wednesday show
for a survivor pick via text, and he did send
it to me that he had taken the dolphins of
all teams. And so, oh, I guess it's just down
to me and you, Jordan, trying to help out our
listeners by giving them the best possibly with one eye opened.

Speaker 9 (01:43:27):
The survivors need you, guys to be eliminated, because the
best possible survivor is all of us working together.

Speaker 1 (01:43:34):
Oh, the best survivor pick is no it's me the
friends we made along the way. Was a joy to
have Jordan and Patrick along for the ride on this
week two recap.

Speaker 2 (01:43:47):
Oh, it was a big one.

Speaker 1 (01:43:48):
We're going to say goodbye to you guys now and
then we're going to come back after the break with
me and Nick Schook talking a little Sunday Night football.

Speaker 2 (01:43:56):
Bang up, job, you survived.

Speaker 6 (01:43:58):
We made it. We did. Shout out to Andrew.

Speaker 5 (01:44:00):
Wiggins fourteen hours later.

Speaker 6 (01:44:02):
Who for Toriano in motion?

Speaker 10 (01:44:13):
We're gonna hand it down, jeer Tyler Raljiers score standing.
Minnesota might have let him score it, but Tyler Aljier
goes in with his first score of the year and
his eleventh career rushing touchdown.

Speaker 1 (01:44:28):
Oh they all can't be beauties. Sunday Night Football, for
one of the first times I can remember, maybe had
the worst game of the week. Twenty two to six
Falcons beat the Vikings. There was not a touchdown until
late in the game when you heard it the Vikings
scored it or let the Falcons score touchdown. I'm not

(01:44:50):
really sure why they did that at that point anyways,
I guess their best chance was scoring a couple of
very quick touchdowns that was not gonna happen the way
that JJ McCarthy looked on Sunday night shook. We said
goodbye to Jordan and Patrick, and for most of this
night we said goodbye to a passing game for both teams.
But the running game for the Falcons was awesome. When

(01:45:15):
you ask Rahie Morris what he wanted to see out
of the two thousand and twenty five Atlanta Falcons, I
think he would want it to look exactly like Todaight.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
Who needs to.

Speaker 1 (01:45:25):
Pass when you could run the ball for two hundred
and eighteen yards while sacking J. J. McCarthy six times.
This is rahembaugh.

Speaker 14 (01:45:35):
This is old school control the game football right here.
And they set the tone from the first two plays
from scrimmage on the night. It was a twenty five
yard Vjon Robinson run to the left tackle. It was
a seventeen yard run Jon Robinson run to the right
tackle to a five yard run. They didn't stop him
until his fourth at tenth. At that point they were
at the Minnesota eighteen. Yes, they didn't score a touchdown
until you know, the Vikings let them score late in

(01:45:57):
the game, But it seemed like they really controlled the
game on both sides of the ball, And what's the
theme usually when you run the ball? Well, now, Bejon's
a bit of an outlier, but the theme usually is
that you control the game in the trenches, and that
almost always explains why a team could run well, except
you add Bejon into it, and it's like another fifty
yards because he makes guys miss. He's just one of
the most elusive and explosive running back in the NFL.

(01:46:18):
It's a true treat to watch him run the ball.
So those of you who think, oh, they didn't score
a touchdown till the fourth quarter, why would I go
back and watch this? Because you like a special running back.
You like Jon Robinson, and you like it when the
Falcons investment in two edge rushers pays off on the
defensive side of the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:46:33):
Well, Bejon's athleticism is just nuts. He had five plays
in that game that were just incredible. One of those
three yard runs which set up the fourth down that
they picked up late in the game, was just like,
absolutely awesome. I had a friend who texted me and
he's like a very casual football fan, and he was

(01:46:54):
just like, watching Jon Robinson is a total joy. And
then the next text of course, and that's the only
thing that's joyous about this game.

Speaker 2 (01:47:03):
But it's funny you mentioned fifty yards more.

Speaker 1 (01:47:05):
Yeah, they had one hundred and sixty expected rushing yards
in this game, which it would have been great on
the attempts that they had, and then he added fifty
eight essentially over expected with a little help.

Speaker 14 (01:47:17):
I said that without knowing that that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
It's yeah, with a little help from Tyler Algier. I've
always thought, you know, that's how you attack this Brian
Flores defense. This wasn't the normal Brian Flores defense because
of injuries. Andrew van Ginkel was out, Jeffakuda, who is
starting for them, was out, Harrison Smith was out again
with an illness, Brian Cashman has been out, and then
more importantly than all that, actually I think was an
offensive injury without Christian dearisod the last two weeks their

(01:47:41):
left tackle justin school has been a disaster. So you
mentioned the investment in the pass protection, I mean the
pass rush for the Falcons and Jalen Walker his first
career sack, was beating School cleanly and really all night
School was struggling until he actually left very late into
the concussion protocol unfortunately, but they have not looked good

(01:48:03):
protecting JJ McCarthy and JJ McCarthy looked like he looked
for the first three quarters last week. This time he
just didn't have that turnaround. He has two interceptions in
this game, only one hundred and fifty eight yards, a
fumble on a play where he was trying to do
a fake, a fumble on a fourth and one. I'm

(01:48:24):
a little concerned how this season has started for them.
I think that fourth quarter, which only really happened because
their defense kept getting them the ball back over and
over and over, overshadowed, you know, one of the worst
quarterback performances of the week in Week one until that moment,
and then he ends up as a Player of the week.
It's a long, long season. They're one and one, no
reason to panic, but it's been disappointing through two weeks.

Speaker 14 (01:48:46):
Yeah, I think this game is a bit of an
outlier when it comes to evaluating the Vikings over the
course of a full season because of the guys they
were missing defensively and it contributed them not being able
to stop the run. But really it comes down to
Chrusian Darisaol, like you highlighted because I mean, the left tackle.
For as long as we've been a pass first league,
which we're going on, you know, two three decades, this
now has been the most important blocker for a right
handed quarterback. It's the blind side. It's the guy that

(01:49:08):
you have to trust. And it was a guy that
they completely and repeatedly victimized on Sunday night in order
to get after just or J. J. McCarthy. And the
thing is essentially a rookie quarterback here, Like I know
it's the second year but essentially a rookie quarterback. How
do you get him, you know, comfortable and then a rhythm.
You've got to protect him first and foremost, and they
just didn't do that well. The Falcons uh passed the
past rus The pressure rate was over fifty percent tonight,

(01:49:31):
Like you're never gonna get going when that's the case.
When you have a young quarterback who's facing a pressure
rate of fifty three point three percent, it's just not
gonna happen. He's not going to get into rhythm. And
it was kind of illustrated. I think their last ditch
attempt in the fourth quarter when he sales one deep
looking for Jalen Naylor, who was open, but he missed
him by about four or five yards. It was just
a microcosm of how things just haven't gone right for them.
But I also would not hit the panic button on

(01:49:53):
them because they need guys to come back. I trust
the culture and of n and Kevin O'Connell's experience in
guiding this team. It's just going to take some time
when you face teams that are able to capitalize on
your weaknesses because of the absence is due to injury.

Speaker 1 (01:50:05):
Agree, But I also think we can take lessons from
the first few weeks and think about team profiles being
maybe a little different than than we expected. And just
with them, I just think they're not going to be
able to count on their passing game early in the
season as much. They're going to need their defense to
carry them, and they need to get healthier. And then
the bigger takeaway for me both weeks, I've been impressed

(01:50:26):
by the Falcon secondary. I mentioned Xavier Watts coming into
this game. He made a great interception. Another rookie, Billy Bowman,
was all over the place, almost had an interception himself,
and made a couple big plays. They have Jesse Bates
out there. I think JJ McCarthy had about four or
five plays tonight where he learned NFL athleticism is different

(01:50:48):
than college athleticism on some of those sacks. One of
them was when he tried to scramble and Jesse Bates
got to him and got him out of bounds before
the marker, and I was just like, yeah, no one
in college is making the play like Jesse Bates just
made it. And the interception was also crazy. But Bowman
did get an interception in the end, that's right. He
almost had two in the game we won in the

(01:51:09):
first half, and he did get one, and that was
like an incredibly athletic play. So I feel higher on
the Falcons defense in general. I do think there's something there.
Going into the season, you thought maybe they're going to
be a bottom five to ten defense. I think it's
absolutely fair to have higher expectations if you're a Falcons fan.
Now we might have an above average defense. We have
something to work with, and yes we do have a

(01:51:30):
badass running game. I shouldn't have sold Tyler aus year short.
By the way, Shooky's seventeen yards over expectation for him too,
so he's contributing sixteen for sixty or seventy six on
the ground like he did. Great and a great win.
They really outclassed the Vikings on Sunday night.

Speaker 14 (01:51:46):
Yeah yeah, and I think a you know, not a
massive win over the scheme of a long season, but
I think an important win for a Falcons team that's
trying to find their footing. I mean, let's face it,
the kirk Cousins stuff. Last year, they were a good team,
they were a hot team, and then they fell apart
down the stretch. They waited too long to pool kirk
Cousins for Michael Pennocks. It's important that they don't start

(01:52:07):
in a deep hole this year with Michael Pennocks the quarterback,
because then the pressure falls on him, you feel the
pressure on Raheem Morrison on the front office, and everybody
gets tight. Getting a win like this gets you back
to one in one and it's a win that you
could say, look, we just beat a team that almost
on it, almost took the top seed in the NFC
last year. This is a really good team. They've been
a good team over the last few years. This is
an important win for us to prove to ourselves that

(01:52:28):
we can go into a hostile environment on primetime television
and win convincingly. That type of stuff can kind of
propel you forward even earlier in the season.

Speaker 2 (01:52:37):
Yep, I am impressed with Pennix.

Speaker 1 (01:52:39):
I know the numbers weren't great, but between last week
and this week, he just looks like a veteran. I
think he's better from the neck up than you could
reasonably expect for a second year quarterback. But he has
that experience. We'll talk about him more later, but since
we taped the top of the show, you might have
noticed when you listen to the Bengals that we talked
about Burrow, but we weren't really sure, you know, how

(01:53:00):
long he might be out at that time. Since that happened,
we've had more reporting on it, and it's obviously very concerning.
Ian Rappaport and Tom Pellisero both reporting that Joe Burrow
could miss around three months if surgery is required. Now
he will try to get a second opinion, but if

(01:53:23):
he gets surgery, he'd be out about three months. He
is feared to have suffered a Grade three turf toe injury,
according to rap Sheet, And.

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
I don't know what you want to say about it. Shook.

Speaker 1 (01:53:36):
Other than that, it's a bummer. But three months is
most of this season.

Speaker 14 (01:53:43):
Yeah, I mean three months from today is essentially just
mid December, Like that's about when the Bengals were like,
oh god, we need to win out to try to
save our playoff chances last year in the year before.
So it's bad. Luckily they have a backup who has
experienced in Jake Browning, but it significantly lowers your ceiling
not having Joe Burrow out there, like there's no reason
to really have to explain that. And it's a bumber

(01:54:04):
because over the last three years, he's been hurt basically
every year or almost every year. He's always he was
coming back from the knee injury, he had the wrist injury,
he was finally fully healthy this year. He was feeling
better than ever, throwing it better than ever, and two
weeks into the season you lose him. I mean, talk
about a gut punch. A team that starts two and oh,
they're riding high two and oh for the first time

(01:54:24):
the Zach Taylor era and they lose their quarterback. Tough man.
Tough to be a Bengals fan.

Speaker 1 (01:54:29):
You think about the way his career has gone, and
in the frustration he had, which he showed in that
show Quarterback on Netflix, of the injuries that he's gone through,
because of course he missed so much of his rookie year,
and you mentioned the twenty twenty three injury, and then
sometimes coming into the season missing training camp. Even when
he's played every game, he hasn't been fully healthy. And

(01:54:52):
he came into the league as a twenty four year old.
He is older than most quarterbacks and not saying there's
not a long track, you know, road ahead for Joe Burrow,
but he is turning thirty next year, and he is
going to be getting increasingly frustrated with these injuries.

Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:55:07):
I don't want to go too deep until his second
opinion confirms what the fear is which would knock him
out three months. We'll talk about it at length then,
But the race for this season will be stay alive
until Joe's back, and last week is a long time,
it is, but they are too and zero and so

(01:55:28):
that's a head start, and the schedule is pretty difficult overall,
although in the middle it's a little softer. Around their
bye week, there's a Steelers Jets Bears bye week. Steelers
Patriots run of games, which I don't think they should
be viewed as heavy underdogs. But any game with Jake
Brownie is going to be a challenge, and I think

(01:55:48):
this will help teach us a little bit about the
rest of the organization and whether they are good enough,
and whether they've built the defense up enough and the
offensive line enough to compete even without Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (01:56:00):
Now, when Browning came in.

Speaker 1 (01:56:00):
A couple of years ago, he actually was able to
win some games for them and kept them in the mix.
And this will just be a much longer, longer uphill
battle if he is indeed out three months, because I
think you play the Ravens. You said mid December, you know,
week fifteen, that's with four weeks left of the season.

(01:56:22):
Can you get there at seven and six or six
and seven, you're at two to zero. Now, that's only
four more wins over a lot of games, four or
five more wins. That is going to be the challenge,
and frankly, it's one I hope they just aren't going
to have to face. You never know, maybe the second
opinion will tell him you could try to play through
it and play in a week or two, and that

(01:56:44):
would be a positive outcome if he's able to possibly
do that.

Speaker 14 (01:56:47):
I mean, the first month of the projected timeline for
him to miss if the second opinion doesn't change anything,
is a gauntlet. Minnesota, Denver, Detroit, Green Bay. I mean right,
I'm the Flores, You've got, the Denver defense, You've got
I mean the Packers defense is at the end of
that swing Like that's that's an incredible amount of challenges

(01:57:08):
for a guy who's a backup quarterback, who just by
the nature of any backup quarterback lowers your offensive ceiling.
If they can survive, if they could split that, then
I could believe in what you just presented. They if
things go, hey, why are there, then it could get ugly.

Speaker 1 (01:57:21):
Win one of those there to three and three and
then that other part of the schedule. Yes, you're just
trying to possibly tread water. We're going to have a
lot of shows and a lot of weeks now to
discuss this Joe Burrow injury. It's really sad to have
lost him for any amount of time this season because
the Bengals obviously one of the main characters in the NFL,
and they did finally get out to an o start,

(01:57:44):
even if it looked.

Speaker 2 (01:57:44):
Funky, okay, Shook.

Speaker 1 (01:57:45):
We'll be back here in about twenty four hours to
recap a double header. It's going to be a late
one on the East coast, Shook. That thing's going to
be ending around one in the morning, So get some coffee,
get read Bucks, Texans Chargers Raiders. We'll be back for that.
This was a fun week too, until the Borough injury.

Speaker 2 (01:58:08):
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