2025 Week 4 Recap: SNF Stunner, Undefeated Teams Upset and Dublin!

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where I'm gonna be hearing dreams
from Cranberry's.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
In my head for the rest of this year.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
I am Greg Rosenthal, and I am here in a
hotel room where I'm afraid of waking up my neighbor.
At one point thirty in the morning, Dublin time. It
was an incredible first game in Dublin. We will be
breaking down everything that happened with the Steelers and the
Vikings and Bill Murray.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
But I'm gonna wrap that up at the end of
my part of the show.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Nick Shook is going to join us at the back end,
and back in Los Angeles are Jordan Rodrigue and Patrick Claiban,
who are really going to carry me on this show.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
But you know what else is going to carry me.
We had amazing We had amazing games. Today.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Let's actually go to Los Angeles where you guys are
and talk a little bit about one of the six
under defeated teams entering week four, but after week four
only two were left, with the Colts be one of them.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Daniel Jones twenty four to thirty two through the air,
ready to sling it again.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
Here heaves from his heels jump.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Ball pick again cam.

Speaker 5 (01:16):
Pearl Pau's games his first two interceptions as a Ram
in Week four against the Colts, la Is going.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
To three and Laws.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Oh Danny Dimes was game, but JV Long at KSPN
was more game. Great call there to wrap up a
twenty seven to twenty victory for the Rams, knocking the
Colts from the ranks of the unbeaten.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
This one had a little bit of everything.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
And I asked my main man here, Patrick Clayn, which
game we should start the show with. Gave him a
couple options, and he stood on the table and he said,
Rams and Colts.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Why was that Patricks one?

Speaker 6 (02:00):
Because the other game, the other option had some bad
stuff happened in it.

Speaker 7 (02:05):
I like positivity and good stuff.

Speaker 6 (02:07):
And if you're a Colts fan, that was a rough
one because there were so much that happened in this game,
up and down the field at SOFI Stadium. I'm on
the air, you know, doing Game Day Live, and Greg
texts me and it's like all I could type was
RAMS with like six x s's because it was just
it was so.

Speaker 7 (02:24):
Much fun and I hate that, you know.

Speaker 6 (02:26):
The one thing that people are going to remember from
this game, which we'll get to in a moment. Is
one of those mistakes. But I think it's a positive
for ad Mitchell. But it okay, I'll just go over
the play. Ad Mitchell gets down the sideline, gets away
from two Rams defenders, is going into the end zone
and anybody that's ever had a remote control and reached
it to point it at the TV and for some

(02:48):
reason thrown it across the room. That's what happened with
ad Mitchell and the football. It goes out of the
back of the end zone. He tried to recover it
before it went out of the back of the end zone,
but the Colts not only turned the ball over, but
it's a turnover. That's literally a touch down that turns
into a turnover, and the Rams gave them that. They
had opportunities after that, but it's ultimately a Matthew Stafford

(03:09):
inside of the two minute warning, huge touchdown pass to
to two out.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Well, yeah, I saw so many different ways that the
Rams could have won or lost this game, but the
sequence to me, Jordan that stuck out was the two
play sequence, third and long. It's tied, or rather the
Rams are trailing twenty to thirteen with under four minutes
to go in this game, and they throw a short
pass to Pukinaku. He breaks a couple tackles, sets up

(03:34):
a fourth and short Your boy, Sean McVay now going
for it because he found fourth down religion from you,
and it goes right back to pokin Akua who gets
a touchdown. Yes, the Rams were trailing twenty to thirteen
in this game with under four minutes to go, and
they wind up winning by a touchdown. But man, Puka
just shows up in every big spot this year. Thirteen
catches for one hundred and seventy yards.

Speaker 8 (03:56):
They had no answer for him. They couldn't cover him,
and they and the Rams, you know, shom I was
using him in so many different ways, and they literally
had no real answer for Puka Nakua, who, by the way,
after that touchdown was in the crowd yelling.

Speaker 9 (04:11):
This is my city, this is my city.

Speaker 8 (04:13):
It is I like that his the edgier side of
his personality, the competitive buyer that we know from Afar
so well, but he's such a bubbly, happy joy guy
that it's like, no, yeah, there's a monster in there too.

Speaker 9 (04:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (04:26):
Fifteen targets, he caught thirteen of them for one hundred
and seventy yards and a touchdown. This Rams defense that
went up against Saquon Barkley last week. The test was
Jonathan Taylor, who did have a long one that ultimately
got called back by an ad Mitchell holding call. Again,
rough one for the second year receiver out of Texas.
But they keep Jonathan Taylor to four point five yards
per carry. And that was We heard the Cam Curl

(04:49):
interception to in the game. Cam Carol had an interception
earlier in the game. Kitchins almost got one. We almost
got dual overhead Cam in this Yeah, but we Kinchins
couldn't quite hold on to this one. There were so
many plays to pick from that just highlight. If you
haven't seen this game, go get a NFL Plus, get
NFL Pro, watch it and consume it.

Speaker 7 (05:10):
Because Jared Verse had one of the best reps I've
seen god all year.

Speaker 6 (05:14):
Decleats the center to the to the extent that Daniel
Jones had no chance on a third down.

Speaker 9 (05:20):
Yeah, and he lets him hear it too.

Speaker 8 (05:21):
And Kobe Turner gets in the mix, and they're doing
this thing now that they started in Philly last year.
Where they're going. It's what is the gladiator where they're
putting their thumbs out and then tilting them down all
of a sudden. That is the Jared versus Sack celebration.
This he's a menace. I mean that in the best
way possible.

Speaker 10 (05:42):
You know.

Speaker 8 (05:42):
It was interesting that this defense once again had to
show up and still glaring concerns minus Cam Curl's interceptions,
glaring concerns about the secondary, particular the perimeter. That was
really tough to watch because it's just been a problem
the Rams have known about for since, you know, since
the and there was whispers about them maybe being in
the mix on Jalen Ramsey and then the price is

(06:03):
too high on that and all of these things, and
our pass rush is going to help our quarterback. But
then Daniel Jones started getting the ball out fast, you know,
and minus a couple of these big splash plays that
the Rams front, the pass rush did make that You
really saw the way that they were at least going
to try to mitigate some of that pressure, and teams
down the stretch will certainly follow suit.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Look, they're not going to be carried by their defense.
But I think a day when you're playing this Colts team,
which has been so good. And in the third quarter,
granted they get that lucky fumble from ad Mitchell, but
then they force a couple three and outs after that,
and then you finish the game. As you guys mentioned,
there was that Jared Verse force fumble gets the ball
back for the Rams with under two minutes to go.

(06:43):
The Colts fall on that fumble, but then the Rams
get it back under two minutes and too too out.
Well believe he only had about nine yards on the
season coming into this day fall That was true going
into even the last couple of minutes into this game.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
And then we had a two to two moment.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Stafford from his own sqwelve yard line set up in
the shotgun.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
PAW's a snap, hits his back foot.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Loves the ball, left side, teacher's open.

Speaker 9 (07:10):
Hosn't a sounder cuts forty twos?

Speaker 2 (07:12):
You down the left sideline? What's upstaper trail behind him?

Speaker 9 (07:17):
The fuck touchdown line?

Speaker 8 (07:22):
That's such a good call. A vapor trail behind him.
You know, that was his second catch of the season,
his fourth target. I mean, let's go get this guy
more involved. He clearly, I mean, he beat his guy immediately.
You could see it. When they showed the replay of it,
he beat his defender immediately and he's wide open, streaking
down the sideline.

Speaker 9 (07:42):
It was interesting. There was a shot.

Speaker 8 (07:43):
You know, I've known too too for a while because
I've covered him and watched all of this happen year
over year, where you know, you see all the potential
on the speed and then it's somehow underutilized. And then
you're also seeing the Rams start these games pretty slowly
year over year, especially early in the season for the
last couple of of seasons, and you sit there and
you think you know what's going on in that guy's mind.

(08:05):
But I will say, to his credit, he has never
once complained about any of this. He's never raised his voice.
He's never had a coach to player, you know, to
my knowledge, personal meat like he just go he shows
up and does his job. And when he is I
call it a wow play wide open, when he's streaking
down the field like that, you hit him, You hit him,

(08:25):
and then he goes and gets sort of a not
as viby as I would have thought hug from Sean McVay.
Very vibe from Sean McVay, not hiss viby. In return,
from two two.

Speaker 9 (08:36):
Hi, Well, I don't thank you.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Well, they still maybe Tooto didn't want to celebrate too early.
They still had to make a stop and they did it.
Like I mentioned, to end the game with the force
fumble by verse and then you get the interception to
cap it off. Rams get to three and one, Colts
fall to three and one. That feels right. Ultimately, the
Rams did out gain him by about one hundred and
twenty yards in this game. No pat on the back

(08:58):
or moral victory that the Colts were right there. I
feel like they'll feel it was a bit of a
missed opportunity for a statement win. But they are here
to stay, especially on offense. Would that be the case
in our next game we knew one of the teams
was going to lose, would it be the Eagles or
the banged up Bucks to Tampa.

Speaker 7 (09:20):
Barkley is back of the game.

Speaker 11 (09:23):
They're going to touch push Perch fakes thanks thones going,
I don't think so, he's going to score.

Speaker 7 (09:31):
It's Barkley. They faked a touch push.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
They give it to Barkley around the outside on the left,
and he goes there.

Speaker 7 (09:40):
Yes, he does, unscathed.

Speaker 12 (09:42):
No one touches him that was you.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Oh what you fooled Merril reethese, you fooled America. Saquon
Barkley with a touchdown off the fake toush push my
quick jumping into the mix there thirty one to twenty five.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
The Bucks hold or the Bucks.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Lose rather in a game where they had a number
of opportunities late. Yes, that score by Saquon was in
the third quarter and the Eagles offense Jordan ultimately did
not get much done in the second half except for
that twenty five yard drive. Ultimately, though two hundred yards
of offense was enough.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
To get the victory. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (10:22):
You joked with me before this game, Greg that the
games I had today all this week really were kind
of Jordan Codd like I this very much was because
it's you know, the Eagles of whom I'm a fan
and my beloved Tampa Bay Bucks. And this was so
lopsided in the Eagles favor at first, and it turned
into a total game of resilience and those like quiet

(10:43):
endurance for both teams and a game that I really
hope we get to see again in the postseason. It
was cool, calm and collected. Jalen Hurtz starting the game
nearly perfect in the suffocating heat. Yes that is a
Todd Bowles Blitz reference, and also it was one hundred
freaking degrees on the visitors sideline and Jalen Hurts was
eight for nine for fifty nine yards against the blitz
and it came at a fifty five percent rate in

(11:05):
the first half seven for seven for seventy nine and
obviously the other two touchdowns which were the brotherly shovel right,
I can't take credit for that, but a shovel pass
out of the Tush push formation to Dallas Goddard twice,
and you know, Sequon Barkley wasn't running super effectively against
the number one Bucks run defense and success right right now,
But the Eagles still like had their way thanks to

(11:26):
this blocked punt return for a touchdown and all of
the Tush push trickeration and it just did not look
like the Eagles could do any wrong. But then the
offense could not close. They went super conservative. Jalen Hurts
started the second half oh for eight passing and they
still were struggling to run the ball. And as we know, guys,
the second half of Tampa Bay Buccaneers games in twenty

(11:48):
twenty five are for Baker ball and that is exactly
what happened, for better and for worse. You know, he
almost got them back in the game with two seventy
plus yard touchdowns, first Emeka Buca shout out and also
to Bucky Irvin. And it was a little bit of
a redemption because Bucky Irving had fumbled earlier. But Baker
gaveth and Baker taketh away because then he threw a

(12:09):
really bad interception right to Jahad Campbell.

Speaker 9 (12:11):
And that was basically all she wrote. After that, they
filed again of the gun first in gold.

Speaker 7 (12:17):
They filled back.

Speaker 6 (12:18):
He's big, chased, he starts to run, he goes to
the outside and he is firing it at incepted.

Speaker 12 (12:26):
It was intercepted by Jahad Campbell.

Speaker 8 (12:29):
I have mixed feelings because I love Jahad Campbell and
I also love Baker Mayfield, and you put those two
in a situation like that to make a dumb play,
And my god, was that a dumb play?

Speaker 6 (12:40):
Well, I think because I have a tendency to look
at a play like that, especially from Baker, and say
he's trying to do too much. Yeah, but if not
for Baker Mayfield, playing in that way, the Buccaneers aren't
in position to have that comeback attempt. There was a
Baker scramble extended to play throws a seeing eyeball to
a Mecca Buka that somehow goes through two defenders for

(13:00):
a sixty plus yard touchdown. And then he's run around
doing everything in the pocket and Jahad Campbell's trying to
cover Bucky Irving for what feels like twelve minutes and
he hit seventy two yards to Bucky Irving. Where it's
those are the ways that the Bucks kind of live
and die. Yeah, and they just happened to die by it.
But what a second half defensive performance from them. But
it's like it's not sustainable to try to come from

(13:23):
behind and win every single.

Speaker 7 (13:24):
Week in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (13:25):
And I want to say the heat actually was a
factor in this because you could see I mean they kept, yes,
they made a lot of it on the broadcast, but
like these some of these guys looked so gassed.

Speaker 9 (13:33):
And I think rightfully seeing last week too, I mean.

Speaker 8 (13:36):
It was and it was brutal out there because, as
they explained thoroughly on the broadcast, the bench is placed
directly the visitor bench in the direct sun, and it's
you know, getting warmer out there year over year, and
so you're seeing these these players who have their own
personal like like shade holders that they brought along for

(13:56):
the trip, like people holding the shades over the benches.
For them, it was it was an all out fistfight
of a game in the third and fourth quarters. And
I think for me, it's really hard to be mad
at either of these teams if you are coaching them
or if you're.

Speaker 9 (14:12):
A fan of them.

Speaker 8 (14:12):
Because the Eagles, I would say, yeah, they were They
should have assaulted the game away much earlier than they did.
But they also you know, showed up, showed out in
the first half. It could have been enough against maybe
a lesser team. The Bucks fought and fought and fought,
and they are so beat up. Our friend Carmen Vitally,

(14:33):
she pointed out that the right side of their offensive
line is literally named Haggard and Heck, so it's like,
you know, it's all going great in that regard, and
they're so injured, and Chris Godwin was back, but he
wasn't really a factor obviously getting his feet under him.
So they just the Bucks, I think have a lot
to be proud of. The Eagles obviously have a lot

(14:55):
to clean up, but big splash plays at the very
beginning of this could have decided it right away.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Right they get the ball, you know, after that great
first half eight times in the second half, they only
scored once and that was on a twenty five yard drive.
The other drives went for negative nine to seven, negative seven,
negative ten, zero eight, and then they took an intentional
safety at the end of the game. You know, that's
losing football ultimately, But they had a huge lead. You know,

(15:22):
you should throw the ball to nine times to aj
Brown and you get seven yards. That's not just being conservative,
that's being ineffective. So it's really interesting when I look
at the larger picture and I said, there's only going
to be two undefeated teams at the end of this day,
and obviously one of them.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Is the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
It's funny because I feel like the fans of each
one of those teams are not really satisfied. But ultimately,
it's a lot like a year ago where the Eagles
didn't play their best football in the first quarter of
the season and they were two and two. Last year,
they just happened to be four to oh this year
and they have a lot of room to improve. Bucks
at three and one, and shout out to Chase McLoughlin,
who hit the longest outdoor field goal in the history

(15:59):
of professional football at twenty five years old, I mean
at sixty five yards out. So great job there by Chase.
Both teams at three and one. Let's go to two
teams that were not undefeated heading into today. We knew
either the Chiefs or the Ravens were going to be
one in three and not feeling good. And the loser

(16:19):
in this one, I think feels even worse than we expected.

Speaker 11 (16:22):
They bring Brashard Smith in motion to the left side
car position, Mahomes Street Staggers takes the snap between the
one and.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
The five, down the rail to the end zone.

Speaker 7 (16:31):
Touchdown.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Chansas City.

Speaker 11 (16:34):
Tai Kwong thharton learning how to be a red zone receiver.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Oh, it's Mitch oltis enjoying the sweet nectar of the
end zone once again. Patrick Mahomes is back to doing
Patrick Mahomes things. He goes up and down the field,
and I feel like we have a Taekwon Thornton highlight
just about every week Mahomes throws for four touchdowns two
hundred and seventy yards and the Chiefs win thirty seven

(17:04):
to twenty over the Ravens. Lamar Jackson leaves this game
with the hamstring injury, and yes, the injuries to the
Ravens will be the biggest story coming out of this game.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
But before we go through all that and whatever.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Patrick claybhn is doing to disassociate himself from what happened
Sunday at Geha Field, I mean, do we have to
say that every single time? I do want to give
credit to the Chiefs and just point out before we
get to the Ravens of it all that in the
first five drives of this game, you know, the Chiefs
go field goal, field goal, touchdown, touchdown, miss field goals.

(17:41):
That's the first half. After halftime, it's another touchdown, field goal, touchdown.
So they did whatever they wanted on offense, while the
Ravens were missing some of their starters before the game
even started and then continued to lose him throughout, so
bully to them. More importantly, I think it's important to
note even though the Ravens lost Ronnie Stanley during this
game at left tackle, basically right away. They had seven

(18:03):
drives with Lamar Jackson, they had thirteen points. Lamar would
turn the ball over two times. It was the most
impressive performance that I think the Chiefs defense has had
all year, and that the Chiefs have.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Had as a whole.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
So Patrick, I'll start with you two on the chief
side of things.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Just that look.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
They looked more like the Chiefs that I think coming
out of this week they will feel better, even if
ultimately we're probably going to be talking about what happened
to the Ravens in this game more no exe.

Speaker 6 (18:33):
Getting Xavier Worthy back obviously changed a whole lot about
the past game. Like while Model the Humphrey was still
in the game, there was difficulty covering Xavier Worthy. The
Ravens had issues getting lined up, but a lot of
that comes to Andy Reid's play calling and the ability
to have guys shift and get in different positions where
they were able to execute. And Isaiah Pacheco average five

(18:55):
yards of carry. This is a game that didn't have
to rely on Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 7 (19:00):
A leading rusher. Xavier Worthy had a great play on
the outside.

Speaker 6 (19:03):
So you start to see this full Chiefs offense come
to fruition and hopefully it's something that they can sustain.
And it's not just because they were playing an opponent
that's really struggling, especially on the defensive side of the ball,
but it just it made more sense to see the
way that the Chiefs operated and executed today. And then
on the other side, this is a team that's clearly

(19:24):
in disarray, has a significant number of issues, not just
limited to play calling and execution, but also performance as well,
and so it's you know, the expectations can't really do
much for you. You just have to go out there and play.
And I understand the schedule hasn't been very kind, but
a lot of folks have played a lot of really
good teams, and so you just have to hope that

(19:46):
like you mentioned, Ronnie Stanley, Marlon Humphrey, Rokwan Smith, Lamar
Jackson is the laundry list, Kyle van Noy's over there
hurt on the sideline. No a nominee madebike, And so yeah,
it's extensive injuries. I mean, you just hope that everybody
can get back and the team could be somewhat watchable.

Speaker 7 (20:00):
Story twenty five continues.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
I know Patrick that other teams have played tough schedules,
but no one's played the Chiefs, Lions and Bills like
in the first four weeks of the season.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
That's brutal.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
And you mentioned a lot of the injuries like going
into today, so to be clear who left the game today,
Lamar Jackson was seen limping according to Jeff Darlington on
the way to the bus, look pretty slow on the
way there. John Harbaugh wasn't sure of the severity, said,
none of the injuries that happened today, we're seizing any
type of injuries. But Marlon Humphrey left, Nate Wiggins left

(20:30):
during the game. You mentioned Roquan Smith that was during
the game, Ronnie Stanley, their left tackle, barely played it all.
And then the defensive line starters that they were missing
coming into it, PROGERI Washington, Mattapuke, and Travis Jones. And yeah,
it's hard to really operate as a team that way,
and you kind of feel the weight of what's happening
to this Ravens team early this season starting out at

(20:52):
one and three Jordan.

Speaker 8 (20:53):
Because it's not the injuries are are significant, right, but
they have had questions about their defense to start back
to back seasons now, and I've been the first one
to praise defensive coordinator Zach Orr with the adjustments he
made last season and the way that this group was
starting to play. You have to be healthy to be
able to do that and to be able to adjust accordingly.

(21:14):
And it was I think concerning in parts to see,
you know, this Chiefs team has really struggled to move
the ball, and then to see them move with such
ease at times frequently against this Ravens defense, I think
it's super super concerning to me. But I also hold
that in my head at the same time as yes,

(21:35):
Xavier Worthy is such a factor in this offense, and
that was the plan coming in. It's almost like the wrench,
and the plan was the accidental contact where you got
taken out by Travis Kelcey.

Speaker 9 (21:46):
You could see.

Speaker 8 (21:47):
That's in part what made everything so hard for.

Speaker 9 (21:49):
The Chiefs these last couple of.

Speaker 8 (21:50):
Weeks is adjusting once suddenly out of totally unplanned scenario.
Even more so than maybe your typical injury on any
given play. It's completely altering and changing what you're going
to do, even mathematically and spacing and all of these things.
And we have to remember she Rice is going to
be coming back and so there's these influxes of speed
and versatility into this Chief's offense where I feel very

(22:15):
differently about the Chiefs offense than I did that I
did last week or the week before, for example. But
I don't know. I would like to see sustainability because again,
this Ravens defense is awful right now and there are
big questions and big problems I need fixing, and I
don't know if they can have the answers because they
don't have players.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Well, we'll see how awful they are next week when
they host the Texans, because that's kind of a litmus
test of like you should be able to slow them down,
but I don't know that they will, Like those are
two pretty tough games back to back Texans and Rams
before their bye week, and they hope to get some help.
I mean, this game was such a blowout that they
were already having the conversation on the telecast of like, well,

(22:56):
the AFC North doesn't look that great this year, so
if you're gonna be one in three, but I think
it all depends obviously on Lamar Jackson's hamstring. And yeah,
the thing that popped about worthy to me, it was
like it was it was almost like he had been
like recharging his battery during that break because he just
like he st maybe it's like maybe it's just the

(23:18):
rest of the team is a little bit slower, and
he just like leapt off the screen. He led the
team and rushing their rushing attack still did not look
too good today, But man, they are going to be
breathing a sigh of relief. And yes, NFL Daily superfan
Nick Wright is gonna be smiling. Let's take a break.
Those were some of the biggest games of the day.

(23:39):
And yet like this second block that we have, I
swear we have all winners in them. Like it was
a great week four of games.

Speaker 13 (24:00):
Scataboo, the back nork design.

Speaker 7 (24:02):
Run uptimately goes.

Speaker 5 (24:03):
Through the tackle of Buck puts down Giants Jackson Dart
let a cornerback drop from fifteen yards out in his
first start.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Here's the Giants the league. Oh, Jackson Dart is fired up.
You know who else is fired up? Brian Dabel. You
know who else is fired up? Every daytime host at Wfan.
You know who else has fired up? Bob Poppa.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Giants beat the undefeated Chargers twenty one to eighteen. They're
the first zero to three team to beat a three
and zero team. Since two thousand and eight, everyone said
Dable's desperate going to dart like you're just doing this
to save your job. Hey, maybe you should have started
this kid week one, or maybe he wasn't really the
deciding factor in this game. That's up to Patrick Clayband

(24:50):
to decide. He's the one who watched this game the closest.

Speaker 6 (24:54):
Yes, and I will say it was a rookie that
was the reason the Giants were that first team to
beat undefeated team to fight despite being defeated, and that player.

Speaker 7 (25:04):
Was Abdul Carter.

Speaker 6 (25:05):
Abduall Carter had pressures on twenty five percent of his
pass rush snaps. The ultimate why the Giants were able
to win this game. A big part of it was
Joe Walt was on the sideline in a walking boot
at the end of the game.

Speaker 7 (25:17):
He got carted off in the first quarter.

Speaker 6 (25:19):
Of course, the Chargers playing without Rashaan Slater already anyway,
they had to make a lot of shuffles up front
and then another big injury, which is the reason I
didn't want to start with this game. Malik Neighbors is
done for the year with a torn acl There was
a free play in the second quarter.

Speaker 7 (25:33):
Dart gives him a chance down the sideline.

Speaker 6 (25:35):
He plants his right foot hard into the ground to
try to go up and his knee gives way. He
was carted off after that, but the Giants continued to
make plays on defense. Dexter Lawrence had a tip and interception.
He almost brought it all the way back if not
for Justin Herbert tackle. The Giants left with a field
goal after a great tackle by Cam Hart on Cam
scataboo there and like the we had already started with

(25:58):
a Jackson Dart touchdown drive on.

Speaker 7 (26:01):
The opening possession. He ran that in.

Speaker 6 (26:02):
He got his first career touchdown pass on a shovel
play because of another great Giants defensive play, as Drew Phillips,
who's been on the receiving end of a lot of
touchdowns this season, like Taekwon, Thornton famously had the arm
up celebration while Phillips was on top of him for
the touchdown for the Chiefs, he got almost pick six

(26:23):
a play that we thought might have been coming back
for defensive pass interference. It was actually offensive pass interference.
Keenan Allen ran him down down the sideline a great effort.
There wasn't able to keep out of the end zone
because Dark had the shovel pass. It was just consistent
pressure and play making from a Giant's defense that I
was skeptical about. Like at this point the season, Jordan,
I'm like, you're gonna have to show me. They went

(26:44):
out and showed me. Ireland's own Jude mckatomney came in
and kicked multiple hield goals on a day. Will we
celebrate Ireland in general? Just a fun game where the
bright spot for the Chargers like plays from Quintin Johnston
o Marion.

Speaker 7 (26:57):
Hampton averaged almost ten yards to carry in this game.

Speaker 6 (27:01):
So the game script, maybe you go back and you
know we were celebrating, Hey, Greg Roman, like this is
great throwing the ball war After the game, you wonder
like could Hampton have gotten the ball more? But not
to take anything away from a playmaking Giants defense that
took advantage of what was presented to them.

Speaker 8 (27:15):
Today, I feel a little like I cursed the Chargers
by calling them, I believe one of the best teams
in football, but a few days ago, because yeah, there
are some serious questions about their offensive line, which was
already dealing with injuries.

Speaker 9 (27:29):
As we know.

Speaker 8 (27:29):
Makai Becton, I believe is still in the concussion protocol.
He certainly wasn't available this week, and then Joe All
had to kick carted off and that's awful. I mean,
he's an absolute stud left tackle filling in for Rashaun Slater,
who when Rashaon Slater comes back, will probably move over
on the right side because Joe All is not relinquishing
that job. I thought that Jackson Dart has the juice,

(27:56):
and I thought that he handled this Jesse Mint Cloudy
cover two very very strange morphing zone that looks the
same pre snap and changes it to a billion different
things post snap and matches down hard on routes that
make it look like man coverage even though it starts
his zone like that is hell for a young quarterback.

(28:19):
And what did Jackson Dart do if he didn't really
know what he was seeing, but he saw a lane,
he would go and take that lane. Now he took
some hits, I think that they would like for him
to not be taking deep in the season, although from
the way those fired. Brian dable Up, I feel like
Brian Dabele has no regard or concern. He's just amped
up watching all of this happen. But Jackson Dart I

(28:41):
thought played really really solid football for especially his first
time out there in real football against one of the
toughest defenses in the NFL, and he made the most
with any space that he had, and he did it
with like this style and this gusto that you could tell,
like just got the crowd into it, like Eli Manning

(29:02):
is is posting about him on social media about the
dance that he did after he ran in his own
touchdown at the beginning of the game.

Speaker 9 (29:08):
This kid's got it. He's just got it.

Speaker 8 (29:11):
You know.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
And I'm always worried about whenever someone says that they
got it. I think the last time we heard of
that often was about Tim Tebow.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
And when't you know it.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Jackson Dart is the first quarterback in his first start
to have a passing touchdown, a rushing touchdown, and at
least fifty rushing yards since mister Tiba.

Speaker 8 (29:31):
I don't see Tim Tebow hitting a TikTok dance in
the end zone and wearing a diamond chain. I don't
really see that, you know, Like I think I feel
like it's pretty clear what you know, Jackson Dart was
getting everybody into this vibe with him.

Speaker 6 (29:47):
Yeah, and ultimately what he does is he unleashes the
RPO back into bron Dables offense. And you could say like, oh,
he's he's just going off one read. Well, yeah, he's
being decisive, and ultimately there were times where that first
read was taken away. Tully two Polo two had three
sacks today. A couple of those where Jackson Dart just
kind of running out of options, not having anywhere to escape,

(30:09):
and like, Okay, I guess I guess I'll just turtle.

Speaker 7 (30:13):
Up here and take the sack.

Speaker 6 (30:14):
But in terms of that like not trying to do
too much, not really playing outside of structure and in
a game where you know, sometimes you go through and
on NGS sort by completion probability just to see what
the quarterbacks we're dealing with. Herbo was obviously going through
a lot in terms of he had a lot of
very very low completion probability completions, But Dart had a

(30:36):
couple of his own, including like a third and six
inside deep inside his own territory, his own end zone
like three yards behind him, rolls out he's running thirteen
miles an hour. Following fires the ball to Darius Slayton
on the sideline, and that's the it that we see it.

Speaker 7 (30:52):
It's not just some metaphorical it.

Speaker 9 (30:53):
It's not t BO.

Speaker 6 (30:55):
Yeah, it's a guy that has the talent and the
ability to make plays. And that's why Brian Dables, Oh
my god, we're hugs today from Brian Dable than we've
ever seen ever.

Speaker 9 (31:05):
You guys.

Speaker 8 (31:06):
One of my predictions coming into the season was that
we would finally see Brian Dabele smiling again. And he
wasn't just smiling. My dude had the quartersip pulled all
the way down seven chains hanging out, very New York,
very Smiley, goes up, hugs Jackson Dart multiple times, slaps
him on the front of his pads. Jackson Dart's so

(31:26):
fired up. This was a vibe between and its relief
and probably catharsis from Brian Dable.

Speaker 9 (31:33):
And he probably forgot his face could move like that.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Frankly, Yeah, let's hear for Brian Dable all fired up
after the game.

Speaker 14 (31:40):
Look, I got a lot of confidence in our rookie quarterback.
But he's a rookie quarterback, so there's gonna be mistakes
that be made. We know that there'll be more next week.
There were some this week. It's not going to be perfect.
I've went through this before seven years ago. Whatever it
may be, but you know the run in in the

(32:01):
UH and Jhone, kid's a competitor. It's not gonna be perfect.
I'm sure he'll be the first one to tell you
there's a lot that he can do better. We got
to continue to help him do it better. But like
his traits, I like his toughness. I'm glad we got him.

Speaker 7 (32:19):
You know.

Speaker 6 (32:19):
I just want to remind you, guys, I had a
rookie quarterback seven years ago.

Speaker 7 (32:23):
I've heard.

Speaker 9 (32:24):
Look me up. He said, look me up, Google.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
I'm no other offensive coordinator has possibly succeeded with that.
It is crazy, like how happy everyone is on a
day that Malik Neighbors has lost for the season, because
I think the reality of that is really going to
hit over the next couple of months and even in
the next couple of days, and it's a shame one
of the best young players in the league.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
And I think the reality of ALLTS injury.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Is really going to hit home because I thought the Chargers'
offensive line really struggled last week. I thought their defense
kind of struggled last week and got bailed out on
a couple of times. And they don't have the same
pass rush without Khalil Mack and Lad McConkey gets six
targets in this game, has one catch that they're so
pass heavy, as you mentioned, forty one passes to thirteen

(33:10):
and they just helped the Giants fill up the stat sheet.
Brian Burns four quarterback hits, Abdul Carter five quarterback hits,
Caevon Thibodeau three quarterback hits. You mentioned all the pressure.
I mean, that is just an outrageous pounding that Justin
Herbert took today. But that's why they play the game
three and zero, zero to three each one. No longer

(33:33):
have zeros in the standings. Let's go to San Francisco, where, yes,
the forty nine ers entered the day undefeated, with the
Jaguars knock them off.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
There's the snap, there's the punt, Parker backs up, fields
it at the fifteen yard line. Maybe, man, man, it's
twenty five thirty yard line. That's good a turple five under.
Still think fifty forty thirty twenty fifteen. Ten fun touchdown,
Parker Washington.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Just run it all the way back.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
The Jazz have extended the league.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Oh it's a big time play by Parker Washington. Jaguars
win twenty six to twenty one, and you look at
the score and you think, oh, their offense must have
been the key. No, this Jaguars special teams and then
especially their defense. Jordan has become the story of their
three and one start to the season.

Speaker 8 (34:33):
Yeah, and it was so fun to watch those guys
fly around. We've been saying this since the season began.
They are much better than I think people might have expected.
And we can get the music now. But the Jaguars
defense was the big story today. They had four takeaways Sunday.
They have a league leading thirteen takeaways overall. There was

(34:54):
a first half takeaway that was a punch out by
Dennis Gardak, which still, I mean, the name just cracks
me up every single time the Jaguars recovered, they scored
a touchdown on the very next play. Devin Lloyd had
two interceptions today, one in the second quarter and one
in the third quarter, and former San Francisco forty nine
er Eric Armstead hit brock Purty to force a fumble

(35:16):
and halt a San Francisco come back attempt right after
the Jaguars missed a late field goal and were up
five points.

Speaker 9 (35:24):
Let's listen to.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
It, party under center, this time play thing go off?

Speaker 2 (35:29):
The Jags blitz. Do you hitting the balls out? Footballs out?

Speaker 15 (35:33):
They knock, get out of there, jack to no private joke.

Speaker 5 (35:35):
On top of it, no signal yet, that's the Jaguars projects,
Ye have it. They created yet another turnover and they
got them all away from the forty nine ers.

Speaker 8 (35:47):
Yeah, minus the missed field goal late there. It was
really interesting because special teams, you're right, Greg, Special teams
and defense were the absolute keys to this game, and
the offense kind of just barely did just enough. They're
still plagued by a lot of things that do plague
young teams. They are still developing in getting staying disciplined.

(36:09):
Pre snap, they had twelve penalties that cost them for
nine or twelve accepted penalties for ninety yards. A lot
of these came from like the illegal shifts, and a
lot of this offense is predicated on formation changes and
shifts and motions, and a lot of this was just
a young group still trying to figure out what all
the details are. But on defense, they are here, they

(36:29):
are ready to go. On special teams, Baseial Tutin Tuton
Hive also return a fifty four yard kick return. The
forty nine ers had no idea what to do with
either of these two Jaguars return specialists and on special
teams itself. And I just thought that this is a
team that is so much closer to being complete than everybody.

(36:53):
Most everybody expected them to be under mostly new coaches
and coordinators. Heath Farwell, they're special teams coordinat I misspo earlier
this season, has been there and is experience, a very
experienced coordinator. But so many of these guys in knew
Anthony Campanelli. They kept like cutting to him on the sideline,
and he just was as happy as could be, makeing
play after play with his group. And and this just

(37:16):
was It's They're very close to being a very complete
and extremely thorough and dominant team, and it's just cleaning
up these discipline things, these little details. I did not
like some of the clock management by Liam Cohen, especially,
they could have had another touchdown, they settled for a
field goal, left points on the board before halftime, like
they there was just there's just some bad calls in

(37:39):
clock management. They're calling plays underneath when they need them
to go out of Boundce Trevor Lawrence had a huge
mistake where he should have run out of bounds but
he slid down uh or so he should have slid
down inbounds and was arguing that he did, but he
went out of bounds. And then former Los Angeles Ram
turned Jacksonville Jaguars savior Hunter Long, who had a touchdown
earlier in the game, made the situationational mastery play to

(38:01):
ice the game. At the end on a conversion. The
forty nine ers had no timeouts left. Kyle hates his timeouts,
so this was but this was a game where two
phases made up for some of the little mental mistakes
of the offense.

Speaker 9 (38:16):
And I think that's really important for a developing team.

Speaker 6 (38:19):
A game where we saw the explosion back once again
for Travis Etn, who's like, oddly enough, like is not
like he's coming back from something other than not really
performing to the level that we had seen him, but
it's like it's Travis Etn, like our comeback Player of
the Year candidate at one point he's down the sideline
like gives a hesitation move, finishes it on a great run.

(38:39):
He averages upwards of six yards to carry in this
game against the forty nine ers, and we saw the
contribution from Parker Washington. He continues to contribute even more
in the receiving game, and this time looking at Brian
Thomas juniors in versus outbreaking structure. We're dead even on
in and outbreakers on this game, but he lined up

(39:00):
out wide for the majority of time and he got
more targets on outbreaking routes, so that the Jags starting
to come into this place where they understand who they
are and what they want to be. We didn't see
as much Travis Hunter on defense in this game in
Santa Clara, and I'm kind of starting to wonder if
it's more matchup dependent on how Travis Hunter will be deployed,

(39:22):
which is also something that's not a negative thing that
he's got most of his snaps on offense in this game.
It's just there, the staff is understanding how they want
to deploy Travis Hunter, and it's hard other than you know,
a weird offensive lull that they went through in the
middle to the late part of the game. A really
solid cross country win for the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
I love that Patrick that year on the Brian Thomas corner,
like which way that his routes go each and at
each and every week. The San Francisco forty nine ers,
by the way, had.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
A goalston in this game.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
I don't know if you guys are familiar with what
a golston is, but that's when a team has zero
quarterback hits or sacks in an entire game. It is
the first time in a decade that that has happened.
And uh, just to put a button on it. There
was a lot of talk all week about Liam Cohen,
Kyle Sanahan and uh, you know who's mad at who?
And amazingly, all the play calling controversy does end with

(40:20):
a little you know, I wouldn't say altercation, but conversation
between Liam Cohen getting into it a little bit with
Robert Sala.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
After the game, Kyle Shanahan was asked about.

Speaker 16 (40:30):
It Afrigame William and saw it. We're exchanging words. Are
you surprising, I assume over sign stealing? Are you surprised
at maybe it wasn't thrilled about.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
That no, try to clear it, clear it up.

Speaker 7 (40:45):
But I don't.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
I don't see what happens.

Speaker 7 (40:47):
So I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
I don't think you should be that sensitive about it.

Speaker 7 (40:51):
But it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Not too worried about it.

Speaker 8 (40:54):
Oh, it's like he's a disappointed dad. You know the kids,
the kids from the tree are fighting. You know, the
kids from the rival coaching trees are fighting with each other.
I'm so I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed that we
all can't handle this more maturely. That's what I'm picking
up from Kyle Shanahan.

Speaker 6 (41:10):
The conversation, Robert Salaz said, you know, the Jags and
a lot of people in the McVeigh coaching tree are
very proficient at legally going through the process of understanding
what your calls are. And he was effusive in his praise.
He said multiple times, they're not cheating. Nothing's going wrong here.
But yeah, Liam Cohen, who is probably one to accept

(41:30):
a perceived slight, has accepted it and was demonstrative after
the game to the point where people are holding back.

Speaker 7 (41:38):
Liken't let him go. Let's see what happens.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
I like that both of these teams are three in one.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
I feel like they both deserve to be three in
one as a lot of Christian McCaffrey held under there,
Greg oh, yeah, man.

Speaker 6 (41:51):
At one point in this game, Greg, Christian McCaffrey had
seventeen targets and I'm not sure what he finished out
up with, but at that point he had run seven
more routes than anybody else on the team as well.
Like it's all, Christian McCaffrey had nothing else.

Speaker 8 (42:04):
It was a really heavy workload game for him. You
could tell that, you know, that's something to me to
be concerned about, just because we know his injury history
and all of that. There was a ton of drops
by the forty nine ers skill players. I give Jacksonville's
defense a ton of deserved credit, but Kendrick Bourne dropped
two passes. Christian McCaffrey and Kyle Yustchek both dropped passes.

(42:25):
Christian McCaffrey lost the ball but recovered his own fumble. Obviously,
Brock Purty fumbled. This was a sloppy game, and part
of it is because they're so banged up. They John
Jennings got hurt multiple times during the game, entered the
game hurt. Ricky Piersall got hurt during the game, had
to get his knees checked out. DeMarcus Robinson is here
for the first game. You know, it's just a lot

(42:46):
of embattled and injury laden people, all trying to make
something happen.

Speaker 9 (42:51):
And it's a short week coming up for San Francisco.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Yeah, they got a big game against the Rams. And look,
they were able to move the ball quite a bit
in this game, ultimately out gaining the Jaguars, but it
wasn't enough.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
They fall to three and one. Let's go to the Buffalo.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Bill's the biggest favorite on Sunday, the biggest favorite against
the Saints team in about thirty years.

Speaker 7 (43:12):
Back of the Shotgun. Here split backs.

Speaker 11 (43:15):
Play clock down to four on first and ten for
the twenty eighth takes.

Speaker 7 (43:18):
The snap takes the throat of the flat.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Looks now the sideline. He's got kincaid.

Speaker 5 (43:23):
Who's gonna walk it in for a twenty three yard touchdown.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Oh, they got.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
The Saints fighting on that one.

Speaker 11 (43:31):
Fake to the flat, throw to the sideline and it's easy, peasy,
lemon squeezing.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Chris Brown of WGR with his weekly Josh Allen did
something cool. Highlight Bills win thirty one to nineteen in
a game that was competitive. I'm not gonna say surprisingly competitive,
because we said on this show we think the Saints
are gonna cover that fifteen and a half, and you
know what, they did it by gone. Would you were

(44:02):
you really worried, though, Jordan, if that the Bills were
gonna lose this game at any point.

Speaker 8 (44:06):
I mean, when I saw them only put up thirteen
yards of offense in the second quarter, I'm like, hey, hey,
knocking on the glass, are you awakened?

Speaker 11 (44:16):
There?

Speaker 9 (44:16):
Come on, guys.

Speaker 8 (44:17):
And then, of course, you know, every single week, I
feel like we all know the phrase over years, and
certainly this season with the defense playing the way that
it is, we know the phrase, thank god we have
Josh Allen, And this was a thank God we have
Josh Allen game, especially for the defense. He ripped out
a twenty seven yard run late in the game, right

(44:38):
up the guts of the Saints defense, right before that
touchdown pass to Dalton Kincaid. It was so cool some
of the things that he was able to do. He pumped,
faked and extended plays and got linebackers to bite, and
they needed it. They needed every bit of Josh Allen
magic because you guys, the Saints, I think surprised.

Speaker 9 (44:57):
Some people today.

Speaker 8 (44:58):
They certainly surprised the Bills and the Bills defense. I'm
going to be extremely curious with the advanced ALL twenty
two and some of the people who go and they
count these things in mistackle rate and all of these
things over the next couple of days once the ALL
twenty two of this is available, Because there were mistackles
after mistackles after mistackles the Saints Kendra Miller, they could

(45:23):
not tackle him, they could not bring him down. And
this was a game where yes, they took the ball away.
Spencer Ratler was under duress often, but at the same
time they took bad angles, they missed him. He slipped
a couple of would be pressures and sacks a couple
of times, and they could not contain the Saints on

(45:43):
the ground. They had allowed one hundred and seventy one
rushing yards.

Speaker 9 (45:47):
By the end of the third quarter.

Speaker 8 (45:49):
This defense remains my biggest concern with this Buffalo Bills team.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
I got some stats for here just on that they
allowed one hundred and sixty five yards after contact in
this game. That was the third most by any team
since nineteen or not nineteen twenty two thousand and eighteen
Kendre Miller and Alvin Kamara forcing four mistackles piece. So yeah,
they've struggled to tackle. And the Saints have been pretty

(46:16):
good at going on long drives. They don't always finish
it with touchdowns. Sometimes they finish it with Chris Olave,
you know, interceptions on.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
A pass test. Why just why man?

Speaker 1 (46:26):
You know, I got a text from Nick Wesseling who
was watching this game, and he was just.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Like, you know what, Spencer Ratler's pretty good. Yeah, Spencer
Ratler's solid.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
I think that's like our number one takeaway from this
Saints season is like it's Spencer Raller oh and four
but pretty solid.

Speaker 6 (46:40):
Yeah, which is why, as you mentioned, you might keep
the ball in his hands and not try to have
Chrystal Lave, who never had a completion at Ohio State
or in his NFL career, throw the Philly special in
like Kellen, like that wasn't even your Eagles team, Like
this is.

Speaker 9 (46:54):
It's too cute. Get the basics down first. Chris A.

Speaker 8 (46:57):
Lava has not had, did not have a touchdown in
the season, and yet when they ran that play, a
receiving touchdown. You're going to try to get him a
passing touchdown before you get this man a receiving touchdown.
I mean, don't get too cute. Do the basics, move
the ball, score the ball. And that's I cannot stand
stuff like that. I love trick plays that is too cute.

Speaker 6 (47:16):
Stop it well at a certain point, like Philly, Philly
is no longer a trick play, Like everybody has seen it.
We've seen it on the biggest stage and the Bills
were all over that. A lobby's having to make that
throw under pressure and Cole Bishop's able to go up
and get it with one hand where it would have
had to be a great throw anyway, Like that's supposed
to be a wide open player and you maybe you

(47:36):
know coach guys to throw that away, but it's not
gonna throw it away, like you put that play until
you throw a touchdown. And so it's a it's a
rough situation. But as Greg said, like every single week, Yeah,
I like watching Spencer Ratler. He had a run today
where he liked put his foot in the ground and
like made two Bills defenders fall down.

Speaker 7 (47:53):
I think Bernard was one of them.

Speaker 8 (47:55):
Yes, and he didn't slide until late in the game
he started sliding.

Speaker 9 (47:58):
Someone must have talked to him in the locker.

Speaker 8 (48:00):
I do want to say this game turned into something
totally different than I expected it would be.

Speaker 9 (48:04):
Even from the jump.

Speaker 8 (48:05):
Josh Allen was five for five for one hundred and
three yards in a touchdown. In the start of this game.
The Bills went up fourteen to seven. I want to
shout out a lesser heralded player, Jonas Sanker out of Virginia,
the rookie safety who had two crucial pass breakups and
also intercepted Josh Allen like all the way across the

(48:27):
field free safety deep ball. He had an incredible game
and actually at that point it completely swung I know
you don't think it's real, Patrick, but swung momentum because
the Bills were sort of stuck in the mud at
that point. And it wasn't until the third quarter when
James Cook started running the ball and finding some really
good blocking and some good creases, and then Josh Allen
sort of then took matters into his own hands that

(48:49):
they actually kind of refound themselves in their personality because
they were rattled by this rookie safety who came in
and made a.

Speaker 9 (48:56):
Couple of massive plays. Shout out to him. That's a
big game.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah, he's been good high draft pick for them that
at first wasn't playing a ton and now with injuries, is.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Playing and playing well.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
And yeah, you mentioned James Cook most of his production
between the tackles. That's kind of what they've been counting
on more than anything in terms of their offense this
year over a sixty three percent success rate eleven for
eighty one through the middle of the field. So the
Bills ultimately win comfortably thirty one to nineteen. Those are
your two undefeated teams left after Week four, the Bills

(49:30):
and the Eagles. Let's come back after the break. We'll
talk about a few other great teams, including the Lions,
and yes, we will talk a little bit about Dublin.
Before I go to bed. It is currently two twenty am.

Speaker 17 (50:08):
Colleif Raymond back deep for Detroit, months away.

Speaker 5 (50:13):
Khalif not a great punt's gonna come up in the
fielder that thirty four makes the first man miss there, they.

Speaker 7 (50:20):
Get the forty to the thirty five to the twenty.

Speaker 17 (50:23):
Five, say goodbye, Kelley Raman to the house touchdown.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Detroit Lions.

Speaker 7 (50:28):
Whoa baby, what.

Speaker 5 (50:30):
A run back, and that started with him making the
first man missed. Khalif with some magic out there and
the Lions extending their leaves.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
That Khalef Rayman is a hell of a player.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Yep, Dan Miller on w x y T that was
a hell of a punt return because it was a
difficult punt to actually catch and then control his body
enough to not go out of bounds, make people miss
all in one motion.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
The Lions, they find different ways to win.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
And on a day where you just look at the
box score, like the offense didn't put up a ton
of yards, they still.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Beat the Browns thirty four to ten.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Patrick, you watch this game closely, what was the most
impressive part of this victory?

Speaker 6 (51:14):
The Lions is just a better team, a better prepared team,
John Morton said coming into this week when asked about
the Browns run defense, Well, they hadn't seen a run
game like Theirs. Could make the case that you know,
neither team had seen anything like the opposition because Detroit
didn't run all over them, but they made several key
plays to pull away that Khalif Raymond punt return.

Speaker 7 (51:33):
It was a ten point game.

Speaker 6 (51:35):
In the fourth quarter, they made plays all over the
field on defense. In a rough Jerry Judy game, a
near pick six DJ Reid, Judy argues that you know
Reid was pulling him down. Judy goes down, Reid gets
that almost brings it all the way back led to
a wide open I'm on Ross Saint Brown touchdown. He
had a couple in this game. The Browns started with

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a score. Random fact. The Lions have given up an
putting drive touchdown on every single game the season. The
Browns extended that on a pretty nice Flacco drive, which
is going to lead to more people asking coaches about
the importance of a false of a fast start, which
is like one of those things where I think we
should just all get rid of. I don't understand why
we ask it, Like the game the score is cumulative.

(52:17):
It doesn't make any sense. But yeah, well yeah, because
it works out. The Ravens scored first, and then the
momentum got them the win today. Obviously we did have
a moment that stood out to me today. I want
to see if you guys think we can get Bryce
Young off of the worst throw of the year thrown
for right now, because Joe Flacco had one that was

(52:38):
picked off by Kirbie Joseph today, and I want you
guys to take a look and tell me whether or
not this is the worst throw of the year. You
could say it was a miscommunication, but you know it
was still bad.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Flacklow's gonna work out of the gun.

Speaker 17 (52:52):
Lions show five across the front now four Flacco long
count is.

Speaker 7 (52:57):
He goes empty out of the backfield. There's the snap.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Flack open, Flacco looking floating it down the left side.
It is picked off by crop.

Speaker 5 (53:06):
There was not a brown with heavy buddy cyphed down
the left sideline.

Speaker 7 (53:11):
Flack will threw it up.

Speaker 6 (53:12):
For perhaps so Joe does the thing where like you know,
when you trip over something and people are looking at
you and you are embarrassed and you look at the
spot on the ground as if the turf monster had
reached out and grab you. Flaco just picked a random
hash mark and just looked at it after that.

Speaker 7 (53:25):
That was nasty. I think we got Bryce off the thrown.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Greg Well, you know, I don't know if we want
to give it away.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
We want to get the ratings up for the big
Worst Throw of the Year awards. Ceremony at the end
of the year. I think that is a very strong candidate.
Bryce's was so unique throwing it into the stands that
you know it's in the mix. But uh yeah, I
feel good that maybe Bryce is no longer the favorite.

Speaker 8 (53:50):
Structurally worse when the other team catches it Greg, But the.

Speaker 7 (53:55):
Lions had a great plan.

Speaker 6 (53:56):
They were able to keep Miles Garrett off of the
sack stat sheet today.

Speaker 7 (54:00):
Did have a few pressures.

Speaker 6 (54:02):
But this Browns team is going to have to figure
out what some sort of offensive plan is. They have
these defensive performances where they're in these games late until
things kind of give way, and they got away with
it with the Packers, but the Lions were just too strong,
especially I'm on Ross Saint Brown in his connection with
Jared Goff, which is next level right.

Speaker 8 (54:21):
Now, and the Browns had a lot of bites at
the apple to try to make something happen. Fourteen offensive
drives and just ten points. I mean, that's the second
fewest the entire slate this week, and that's crazy to me.
The defense, to your point, really picked up this group,
and I kind of like that because you have to
be able to win in a lot of different ways.

(54:42):
And we saw the John Morton game, you know, last week,
and this is very much a Calvin Shepard game. And
this is these two coordinators and their respective units figuring
out their personalities within that place and how this team
can compliment each.

Speaker 9 (54:55):
Other in a real way.

Speaker 8 (54:57):
And it's not like, you know, they were playing a
cakewalk team. The Browns have one of the better defenses
in the NFL, and so to be able to be
on the field that much, to be able to have
that much time that many drives and still be so
consistent throughout to take the ball away to get pressure.
I just thought that was a really good sign for

(55:18):
Detroit and stepping up when their offense needed them to
do it.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Aiden Hutchinson nine pressures in this game, four quarterback hits,
two sacks, some of them monsters.

Speaker 9 (55:28):
He is back.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Performance and the Browns defense, you know, they had to face.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
A lot of drives too.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Detroit had twelve reel drives in this game and they
didn't even crack three hundred yards. They've pressured golf forty
four percent of the time. He didn't take a single sack.
If you want to learn, like what makes Jared Goff
Jared Goff. I think that's it right there. They still
had a very high success rate. Even though he only
had one hundred and sixty five yards when he threw
the ball, it was ultimately pretty successful. So the Lions

(55:53):
win a game that they absolutely should. The Browns get
ready to come over and join me on the other
side of the pond. They will be facing the Vikings
next week. Let's go to a game that also didn't
future a lot of scoring by one of the teams.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Let's go to Houston.

Speaker 11 (56:13):
First out of the eighteen hand off, Woody left side,
fifteen to ten, five dives into the head Sol his
second touchdown up the day.

Speaker 6 (56:24):
I will see your two sacks and I'll raise you
two touchdown those take that, vandermir.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
I feel like I need to know, like more, what
was going Did Woody Marx possibly give up two sacks
and task protection?

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Did they have some sort of wager before the game?

Speaker 1 (56:44):
I don't know, but I really enjoyed everyone in Houston
breathing a sigh of relief and enjoying football again.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Texans win twenty six to nothing.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
And yes that was Mark VanderMeer and Andre ware on
k I l t this game game was not the
blowout that it looks like in the final score. To
start the fourth quarter, there had yet to be a
play in the red zone. The score was six to
nothing at that point. The very next play was actually

(57:16):
the Texans first play in the red zone. They scored
on it, and after that c J. Stroud and the
offense played much better. I actually thought the turning point, though,
was earlier in that drive. There was a second in
thirty three. In this game. The first three quarters like
burn the tapes. I mean, it was ugly passing game football.

(57:38):
The running games were fine, but second and thirty three
mistakes penalties.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
They're backed up and CJ.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Stroud throws it to Nico Collins down the sideline for
a dime. Nico beats Lagerius sneid and it just seemed
to open them up. They hit a fourth down after that.
Woody Marks had a really good game. Chubb helped keep
them on schedule that they forced a turnover on down
at one point there.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
But ultimately they.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Just had a fourth quarter where they looked like the
Texans and just see it and c J.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Stroud Patrick like flex.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
And like danel Hunter who's been quiet, have like a
big fourth quarter and celebrating. I do wonder it's not momentum,
but I do wonder if emotionally, maybe just getting that
baggage off of you know that their shoulders will help
them play better football next week against your Ravens.

Speaker 6 (58:25):
Yeah, winning helps, and I think we can see that
coming in just in terms of the circumstances and the
vibes for the two teams between the Texans and the Ravens.
To see especially the growth of Higgins, because I think
they needed that, they need somebody to step up that's
that's not Nico Collins in the receiving game, and there

(58:45):
were a large volume of targets that went to Christian
Kirk a couple of weeks for the past couple of
weeks that weren't successful and to see to see Higgins
get through, and you try to figure out how much
of that is like this positive growth by Nick Kayley
and his Texans office, and how much of that is
the Tennessee Titans and the struggles that they've had where
you know, you go through and other than like some splash,

(59:08):
great splash plays by Jeffrey Simmons. Yeah, Boogain, I had
one of the best reps I saw all day. There's
just not a lot to speak of from this Titans defense,
going up against an offense that had done basically next
to nothing all season long, and the Texans look like
world beaters, especially late.

Speaker 8 (59:24):
I often I don't trust often like sudden anomalies. Yeah,
and so like, for example the Panthers last week, do
not trust a sudden anomaly of a shutout like that
when the data is showing us so much otherwise, right,
But with this I kind of make an exception sometimes
when it happens in a game when you can start

(59:47):
to feel an entire like unit start to play.

Speaker 9 (59:51):
And I know listeners love when I use this.

Speaker 8 (59:52):
Word more cohesively and feel like they're on the same page,
that there's a functionality and a direction identity with not
just the offense overall, but everybody knows their job.

Speaker 9 (01:00:05):
Everybody is doing their job.

Speaker 8 (01:00:06):
I'm not saying it was perfect, It certainly wasn't, but
especially with that spurt of scoring late in this game,
it just it really did feel like a little cathartic
And you could see it in CJ. Stroud on the
sidelines and how he was interacting, and he just seemed
like he just seemed lighter. Now. On the other hand,
another bad day, unfortunately, another and I don't want to

(01:00:26):
say a bad day performance wise necessarily, but another series
of unfortunate events and bad vibes for cam Ward who
has his incredible bright moments, and then they are losing
these games, and he'll make mistakes too, and the team
will make mistakes, and then he'll be about as depressed

(01:00:49):
as it gets in the postgame afterward.

Speaker 10 (01:00:51):
I mean, we're keep in a book right now, we
ask so we own four. We have this one.

Speaker 7 (01:00:55):
We got none to lose.

Speaker 10 (01:00:56):
We dropped a court of our games and we've yet
to do anything. So we have to lock in, especially
myself on the offensive line, from the defensive line, from
the special teams, to all three faces.

Speaker 7 (01:01:08):
We have to play together.

Speaker 10 (01:01:09):
We have not played together this year yet, and that's
just something that you know, we want to preach about
it every day every day. We got to do better,
and we're doing that, but it has to show up
on Sundays. It hasn't showed up yet, but it got
to show up next week.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Like this might sound like damning with faint praise, but
I've never been more impressed by a rookie quarterback. I
love an offense that is playing like ass and to
that point, let's actually watch.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
I think was the.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Fourth play of the entire game, a new Throw of
the Year nominated.

Speaker 18 (01:01:40):
Cam Ward downs here with two tight ends, and Ward
under durest from Anderson, slips away from him, slings it
downfield and it's caught at the thirty yard.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Line by Elc. I alm at her.

Speaker 15 (01:01:54):
And this is what cam Ward does. He has had
at least one special play every week. Well, Anderson doesn't
fall for it, we're just able to get past it.
And again he points that direction and then throws it
across his body.

Speaker 7 (01:02:08):
I feel like he's done this every game so far.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
It's like he's out in the schoolyard.

Speaker 15 (01:02:13):
He points to eye a matter, Hey go left, Elick,
and he hits him.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
That was their friend Ross Tucker.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
That was almost a carbon copy of the Throw of
the Year nominee, which I think we'll stay at the podium.
I don't know if that one quite gets there, but
I do love any play where you can make Will
Anderson fall on the ground like that, run away from
him and throw across his body. He has played well
even in these games. Where it really looks like he

(01:02:41):
didn't play well. And I think his interception in this
game was kind of like a typical play. He throws
it sidearm, it is a little inaccurate, but ultimately his
receiver gets two hands on the ball, it gets deflected up.
He actually hasn't had that many big mistakes. But the
offensive line, no surprise, really struggled against Houston. And as

(01:03:03):
as anomalist, to use your word, Jordan as the final
score was the Houston Texans defense playing this well was
not out of the ordinary at all. So huge win
for the Texans to get to one in three and
they have the Ravens next week in a in a
game where one of those teams that was in the
divisional round last year will fall to one in four.

(01:03:24):
All right, we've done enough preamble. Let's get to my
final game. I'll be part of discussing on this show,
one that I flew all the way over for.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Yes, let's go to Dublin for the first time.

Speaker 19 (01:03:38):
Rogers in the gun single back in alongside in one receiver, left,
two receivers to the right heavy line with guess who
Donna Washington there Penskearonic goes in motion, fakes the handoff.

Speaker 7 (01:03:48):
The game well over the minute.

Speaker 10 (01:03:49):
He came back.

Speaker 17 (01:03:51):
To five fifty coming Austin down to Tuesday, Cab suddenly
sensational to the big moment. Cal teams from Seattle had
a second tough tap of the Pittsburg Steelers.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
This cloud was going absolutely wild. Do you wanted a
Steelers moment? In Tuckland?

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
You got one DK backap over the middle, multiple.

Speaker 15 (01:04:20):
Vikings with a chance to tackle.

Speaker 17 (01:04:22):
Except they didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Have a chance because none of them have the speed
of DK back up good.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Yes, that was my buddy Will Gavin on talkSPORT with
someone who is screaming way too loud.

Speaker 7 (01:04:38):
Do you want a Steelers moment.

Speaker 12 (01:04:41):
Like this?

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Full Greg in my ears throughout that game was so.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Just cacaphonus Is that a word?

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
I don't know now, I'm going absolutely crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Cacofont that I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
I couldn't hear myself think, Yes, the Steelers get it
done in a winding, weird game twenty four to twenty one.
They gave us plenty of moments, but that was my
favorite one that we could go back through. You know
everything that happened late in this game, and there was
a lot of interesting coaching decisions. But I do go

(01:05:19):
back when I think about, like why they won this
game to some personnel choices, and I'll get to like
my thoughts about the Dublin game experience and all that stuff.
But they decided to go out there today and just
play big boy football and it really worked. Like they
had Darnel Washington on the field almost every snap. Yeah,

(01:05:40):
whereas before he was the number three tight end, today
he actually had more snaps than the other three tight
ends combined. They also had a man who I don't
think got a lot of pop before today, Spencer Anderson,
on the field far more than any of the other
three tight ends.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
That was essentially a sixth offensive lineman.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Most plays, they had seven either offensive linemen or tight
end some combination of either. Three Titans on the field.
Seven offensive linemen on the field. Yeah, and they pushed
the Vikings around. It was very apparent watching it, you
know from the broadcast booth, just how they physically dominated them.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Their success rate was through the roof.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
It was just a lot of Kenny Gainwell for five, six,
seven yards, And ultimately I think that is why they
won the game, even more than the fact that Carson
Wentz was in it more than the fact that Aaron Rodgers,
you know, had a couple of big plays. I think
they just pushed the Steelers around.

Speaker 8 (01:06:37):
I love it and I cut myself thinking multiple times
this morning and as I had this game on and
I was getting ready to come in here into the
studio today is Gainwell not the best running back name
ever game?

Speaker 6 (01:06:51):
I mean, you saw the first name in there. I've
called him Kenny g for years. The music was beautiful today,
you know, an absence of Jalen Warren. This Steelers ground game,
and Greg mentioned Darnell Washington and the way that things
were blocked up, it was cohesive. They got the ball
out of Rogers hands quickly early on to the point
where you know, you worry about how you react to.

Speaker 7 (01:07:13):
What Flores and the Vikings are going to do.

Speaker 6 (01:07:15):
The Steelers really dictated over the course of the game,
and then you know made plays down the stretch, like
a Peyton Wilson running down Jordan Addison, essentially saving about
a minute of game time and what could have been
clutch and people are like, well, Jordan Adison, you know
he's coming back. No, like Peyton Wilson his the speed

(01:07:36):
that he ran in this game twenty two point four
eight miles an hour, he could have caught Dkay from
behind on DK's long touchdown. Like that effort was spectacular,
But you know, I don't want to overstate the effort.
He's a fast player who runs fast, and we tend
to overstate effort depending on how the player looks. But yeah,
he's exceedingly fast. And they made like Ben Skeronic was

(01:07:57):
out there making plays like guys were doing Vintage, because yeah,
that's all Ben Scronic does, whins the roles that make
big plays. Yes, and yeah, this is the Steelers team
we were promised, Yeah, that we felt like we were
in search of for the first few.

Speaker 9 (01:08:09):
Weeks, even further than that too. Patrick.

Speaker 8 (01:08:11):
It's like what Greg mentioned as well, this is like
finally we're seeing this is how Aaron Rodgers wants to play.
There were a couple of explosives obviously and then, but
he mostly got the ball out quick. And it's also
what Aaron or what Arthur Smith wants to play.

Speaker 9 (01:08:26):
So it's like this this.

Speaker 8 (01:08:27):
Marriage that we're finally seeing because he's loaded up in
these heavy personnels. And to your point about dictating to
the Flores defense. In part, it's because you are in
such heavy personnel the entire time, and it does not
bode well for a lot of the different coverage changes
and formation changes and things that usually are dictated to

(01:08:48):
you by that defense. And it's not the only reason,
but it was. It's a part of it. When you
load up in personnel like that, it is just hard
to regain the mathematical leverage on the other side. And
not a lot of teams have the players to be
able to do this, And so we're fine. We finally
saw maximizing the roster on this offense after a few

(01:09:10):
weeks of catching little glimpses here and there. A two
point conversion earlier in the season too, Darneld Washington, where
you're like, why don't you just do that every single time?
You know, these kinds of things were so clear.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
They've had the formations. I just don't think they've had
the right personnel on the field. Like Washington being there live,
it was really so noticeable how he's lining up in
a completely different spot every time he's in motion a
lot as like a two hundred and seventy pound guy.
He's a fullback, he's a tight end, he's offset, he's everything,
and I think he's an all pro type of player,

(01:09:44):
like a Unicorn type of player, if they can maximize him.
And today I think you saw it, and Friarmouth and
John M. Smith were just much less big deals today.
You mentioned Rogers getting a bit rid of the ball quickly.
They blitzed quite a bit in this game, and he
still had a two point one seven time to throw
and he got hit like three times, and other than that,

(01:10:05):
he just got rid of the ball and it wasn't
like amazing, but it was more than good enough.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
And you mentioned that Peyton Wilson like rundown.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
So that's late in the game during a really inspired
fourth quarter comeback by Carson Wentz that was helped out
by some decisions by a fourth down fail by Pittsburgh,
and that was the fastest any linebacker has run in
the NFL in almost ten years, which is wild.

Speaker 9 (01:10:29):
I do trying the hardest right so much.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Effert's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
It's funny because Carson Wentz got so much credit last
week and he's gonna get so much blame this week.
And I was like, he didn't play any different, if anything.
I thought he maybe showed a little more today where
he took about thirteen or fourteen quarterback hits and was
down twenty four to six to start the fourth quarter
and had them in position at the end of the
game to possibly go win it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
He was fine.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
There was a couple deflected interceptions which I don't think
he could totally put on him, at least not one
of them, especially like he was game. But ultimately, the Steelers,
like Arthur Smith, out coached Brian Flores, and the Steelers
were tougher than the Vikings on this day. Don't know
if it would happen every week, but they were absolutely tougher.
It's kind of a it's got to give them ideas

(01:11:16):
of like, can we can we replicate this because our
defense we know can play better overall, and they did today.

Speaker 8 (01:11:23):
Yeah, and shout out. It was nice to hear will
Gavin greg on the call. Will I know you're listening, Thank.

Speaker 9 (01:11:29):
You very much.

Speaker 8 (01:11:30):
Sorry for what I said earlier this season about Redheads.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Oh yes, he actually mentioned that to me in person.
He said he was a little disappointed that you were
afraid that the Redheads were taking Oh what the hell,
let's listen to a redhead highlight. Yes, Carson Wentz, they
thought the game was over, that we were going to
send a dud over to Dublin. Oh, it was kind
of a fun twenty four to six. But it was
twenty four to six. But Carson Wentz wouldn't hear it.

Speaker 17 (01:11:57):
It's so loud to replay. Paul, how about figure Dawson Wentz? Well, sir,
how Delphie e step rolls out? He's got spice neck
for telling. Now look touchdown in Minnesota, Vikings tell it for.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
My lead on the rollout.

Speaker 17 (01:12:11):
Nila gets in the end, So I'm not it's the key,
key thing. It was my full discriminate runing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Never tell Carson.

Speaker 7 (01:12:17):
Wentz that the game is over.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
It's alive. Never tell him the play is over. His
first read was taken away there state Calm got the score.

Speaker 14 (01:12:26):
I love it.

Speaker 7 (01:12:27):
Yes, what are you talking about?

Speaker 9 (01:12:30):
And I'm gonna go but I want to listen to
the whole thing. I'm going to go back.

Speaker 7 (01:12:34):
Oh, I had a great time there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Showing a picture.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
If you're watching on YouTube, this is the reason not
to But you can also see my face uncomfortably close
to the camera as we approached three am.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
And I have a new setup.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
But yes, that was me and Will Gavin and Simon
Clancy was also there me in the booth, So I
apologize to Simon for not picking any.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Of his calls. He an incredible job and it was
an absolute thrill and.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
A huge win for the Steelers, who I think have
a chance to get better, and they're three to one already.
The Vikings fall to two and two. They'll be staying overseas,
going over to England next week, like myself. So the
game atmosphere, guys, was like, it was incredible walking to

(01:13:29):
the game.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
I'm in downtown Dublin.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
I don't think they call it downtown here, but it
was about a forty five minute walk to the game
and just like being part of it. An entire city
that really embraced this game in a way that I
don't think maybe a city the size of London even
possibly could that. It really felt like a super Bowl
in a city like New Orleans. And I just think

(01:13:56):
there's a level of fandom here, not only the fans
because because we have those in pockets all over the world,
but I think the level of casual fandom here is
also pretty high, where every like everyone I ran into
had had a pretty good knowledge of just the basics
of what's going on with the NFL and so grateful

(01:14:19):
to be here. And then you know, walking through like
the Trinity College campus where you know, I was getting
my Sally Rooney on if you're Sally Rooney headed out
there and walking in and the pregame with you know,
seeing seeing Bill Murray walk by on the fields and everything.
The city just was kind of on fire the last
couple of days, and I was really glad to see

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the game live up to that. And I don't know
what it looked like on TV, but the atmosphere was
really awesome, Like when they played Renegade, it it felt
like you were in Pittsburgh, and the sound, more than
any international game I've been at, felt like a real
home game, and I thought they actually gave the Steelers
an advantage. You saw the Vikings kind of fritzing out

(01:15:03):
late in the fourth quarter where they were struggling to
like play fast, and I really thought that the crowd
noise was a big part of that. So I think
that all the Steelers fans that came over here, I
think there were a lot more Americans at this game
also than any other game I had been to before
over here.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
How did it look on TV?

Speaker 7 (01:15:23):
It looks great.

Speaker 6 (01:15:25):
All the energy and intensity that we hear on the
call and like you guys dealing with the noise like
that came through on the broadcast. It's just and seeing
the crowd shots and the reaction shots of everything. That
feeling that you had walking through Dublin kind of came
through in the screen in that those folks appreciated having

(01:15:47):
that opportunity to be at the first ever game and
the first ever game delivering in that way. It was
a payoff for all parties involved. Even the Minnesota Vikings
fans who made the trip didn't leave with a win,
but to be there in that moment worth it, worth
it for everybody involved, and what a great opportunity for
folks in Dublin.

Speaker 7 (01:16:07):
In for us.

Speaker 9 (01:16:08):
There was a terrible towel tifo that looked super cool
on TV.

Speaker 8 (01:16:12):
I gotta tell you, just unfurled a massive terrible towel
through a massive portion of the crowd like they do
at non American football games soccer games, and it was
it was cool and just felt like such a party
and it felt like I really could tell because you

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can hear the ebb and swell of the crowd, even
if it's muted a little bit when you're watching on
the on the TV broadcast, and you could tell this
is an educated group of football people, you know, like
and and a lot of these overseas games are certainly
that way and becoming more and more so, I think
every year.

Speaker 9 (01:16:49):
And it's just cool because I mean, man, what a vibe?

Speaker 8 (01:16:53):
Is it?

Speaker 13 (01:16:54):
True?

Speaker 8 (01:16:54):
I saw, but I didn't hear it myself. They were
playing the Cranberries too.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Zombie was like an incredible I would have run.

Speaker 9 (01:17:03):
Through a freaking wall if I heard that. That's so cool,
That is so sick. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Yeah, Like they went big for Sweet Caroline too, but
I've seen that before, but also that was special. But
hearing Zombie and the whole crowd going wild for Zombie
and then actually the moment I will remember and this
is bizarre and is probably just unique to me of
the entire week, was the second, you know, we finished,
like a brief post game show and I took off

(01:17:32):
the headsets. Like the second that happened, they started playing
Dreams by the Cranberrys, which I which I referred to
off the top, which is like, is one of my
favorite songs. And for some reason, because you know, I
saw it this year in a movie. I've been playing
NonStop to my family when they least want it and

(01:17:54):
least suspect it in the car as loud as possible,
and it makes them go absolutely crazy. And so taking
the headset off and just hearing dreams come on at
that moment is something I will never forget, and I
won't forget the fans here it. We did an event
on Friday night and yeah, I'll wrap this up with

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this with Michael McQuaid, who hosts the Pro Football Ireland
Show and was on Virgin TV today. And for all
these fans and media members and guys here, they've they've
been trying to lift up the NFL on their own
while they're like doing other things. You know, there's there's
not an ecosystem here, and it was really a culmination,

(01:18:35):
I think, for all the diehard fans and these media
members to get the game here and to see it embraced.
And after Colleen and I did about a half hour
of their show where they had a lot of X
players of very drunk Brett keesl.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
On the stage like really drunk. Yeah, they Yeah. Me
and Colleen got off.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
There's still more show to go, and a lot of
the people watching came out with us and one by
one just kind of told us their stories and how
much that around the NFL had meant to them back
in the day, and that that helped them become fans,
and just what the game means to them in different
ways and to everyone that came up. It meant a

(01:19:16):
ton to me, and I think the entire week meant
a ton to the league. And Roger Goodell already said
it like they're planning to come back. We'll see if
it's in twenty twenty six, but he said that before
there even was a game and got to enjoy it all.
So the idea is to have more of these international games,
and we know that we will be here in Dublin,

(01:19:37):
and I'm sure I forgot something here, but I do
want to thank, you know, our boss Matt Schneider for
helping out and everyone back home obviously for making this happen,
and the people at talkSPORT.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
And with that, it's time to go to bed, get
some rest.

Speaker 11 (01:19:55):
Greg.

Speaker 9 (01:19:56):
You're a chair, all right, all right?

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
So what we're going to do here.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
We're gonna take a break, and when you come back
on the other side, you're gonna get to hear the
beautiful vocal silence of Nick Schuk.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
He's gonna wrap up this show.

Speaker 9 (01:20:11):
Will he also be as close to the camera as
you are right now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Now he will be further away and he will look
much more manly.

Speaker 12 (01:20:36):
Play fake and May rolling to his left looking down field.
He's gonna off for Henry Honey touchdown. Patriots, take what
the defense.

Speaker 7 (01:20:49):
Gives you and you will be fine playing the quarterback position.

Speaker 13 (01:20:53):
Drake May was taking what the defense gave it and
then some in a romp for the Patriots forty two
thirteen and over the Carolina Panthers. That was Bob Sojy
and of course Scott Zolac on WBZ. The Patriots building
on what they couldn't get done last week against the
Steelers by rolling through the Panthers after giving up six

(01:21:13):
points to start, They score forty two unanswered until garbage
time and cruise into Week five coming off of a
big one. Guys, what'd you think about this one? Because
this was a fantastic performance for Drake May in my opinion.

Speaker 8 (01:21:25):
Yeah, and I thought that in every phase they look
like a more complete team. I mean, you could kind
of see despite last week with all the turnovers that
the Patriots had, you could still see pieces coming together,
like the concepts of the plan kind of coming together.
And then this week, and yes it was against the Panthers,
and we talked earlier in the show Nick about how

(01:21:46):
this was very animaltic last week, what the Panthers were
able to do to the Falcons, because data tells us otherwise,
but it also was to me you could see the
all of the like the theory behind everything they were doing.
They seemed more complete as a complete team offense, defense,

(01:22:06):
special teams then I think we've seen from the Patriots
so far this season as they rebuild, and positive news
for the Panthers.

Speaker 6 (01:22:13):
It wasn't a world beating performance, but once again they
didn't get run all over for the third consecutive signs
of growth there. But Drake May fourteen of seventeen two
hundred and three yards they could do seemingly nothing to
bother I me, he almost had a perfect passer rating,
completed eighty two percent of his passes. Meanwhile, the Panthers
offense other than that six points and then the missed

(01:22:35):
extra point. I guess you could say that the missed
extra point caused the collapse in momentum that ultimately set
the game spiraling for forty two unanswered points, because like
Bryce finished eighteen of thirty, there were several moments where
he and t Mac couldn't quite link up. Bryce honestly
missed those throws. I'm not going to say that they
couldn't link up because there were some whiffs from Bryce.

(01:22:56):
There were some whiffs on the blocking side of things,
and just a dominant performance where I was thinking the
Patriots hadn't done anything as impressive. That's what the Panthers
did last week. Well, now they did, and now the
transit of property says that they're like seventy two points
better than the Atlanta Falcons.

Speaker 13 (01:23:12):
Evidently comes off and then pitching at thirty and zhering
shut out and then they get absolutely dominated the next week.
But it was You're right, it was. It was a
complete victory by the Patriots. It came in all three phases.
It started with the Jones punt return for eighty seven yards.
Marcus Jones just cuts through the punt coverage. He almost
takes another one back. He takes his sixty one yards

(01:23:32):
and barely gets stripped up by the punter. He would
have had two punt return touchdowns. And that's in the
third phase of the game. Extremely efficient offensively, may dot
in the field with the accurate passes, leaning on the hunter,
Henry finally hooking up with Stefan Dicks for the first time.

Speaker 4 (01:23:44):
They went six for one oh one.

Speaker 13 (01:23:46):
That felt good to see as somebody who's understood their
struggles at times. And you're right, they didn't have to
run all over them because they were just so efficient.

Speaker 4 (01:23:53):
It didn't matter.

Speaker 13 (01:23:53):
They lost time of possession by eleven minutes and dominated
this game. That's how one sided it was. And for
the first time, I think too. In Georgie you mentioned
this and a great point. You saw pieces of it before, right,
This was the first time in this very short Mike
Frable era so far, the first month in which I
felt like the Patriots adopted Mike Rabel's identity. Yeah, because
they were aggressive on defense, they were stifling. Bryce looked

(01:24:16):
very uncomfortable. You talked about the blocking not working. I
felt like they were just disjointed after that first touchdown
drive and never really found it again.

Speaker 4 (01:24:23):
And I think that's exactly what Mike Rabel intends to
do with his defense.

Speaker 13 (01:24:26):
Now that it doesn't show up in the pressure numbers,
but if you watch the game, you can see an
uncomfortable price and that's created by Mike Rabel's defense.

Speaker 4 (01:24:32):
So a resounding victory for the Patriots.

Speaker 9 (01:24:35):
Yeah, we were waiting to see this. What Rabel's identity
was going to be.

Speaker 8 (01:24:39):
I think we feel like we know it based on
his presence and his history and the way that they're
trying to build this team and some of the moves
he's been very aggressive about making and plugging in certain players,
and the draft that he just went out and executed,
and certainly you know, but actually putting it on the

(01:24:59):
field and seeing it and seeing what I think Patriots
fans can take away from as like the beginnings of
an identity.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
Right.

Speaker 8 (01:25:07):
I'm not gonna I even wrote about this earlier today.
I'm not gonna put any expectations on the Patriots. Patriots fans.
I think that's okay, just float, you know, just vibe, right,
But I think it's all gravy when you don't have
expectations and you just you need to see these building blocks.
You can't take these giant leaps before you take the
smaller steps, and over the last couple of weeks, that's

(01:25:28):
very much what I've seen from this team and certainly
putting it together in a big way today.

Speaker 7 (01:25:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:25:32):
Absolutely.

Speaker 13 (01:25:33):
Now we're gonna move on to another place here where
the smaller steps to a little more painful, a little sloppier.
Not quite a rock fight, but it was a thrilling finish.
We go to Vegas, all waiting to snap.

Speaker 9 (01:25:45):
It's good snaps blocked.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
Bears blocked the kick.

Speaker 5 (01:25:49):
They blocked the field goal on fourth to three for
thirty two seconds to go to the game. The Bears
blocked the kick. Bear gonna sneak out of Allegian Stadium.
Were the twenty five twenty four win.

Speaker 13 (01:26:03):
Sneak out as exactly how anybody would.

Speaker 4 (01:26:05):
Describe this Bears victory.

Speaker 13 (01:26:06):
The Bears take down the Raiders twenty five to twenty
four at Allegian Stadium, a comeback victory for Chicago. Jeff
Joniac and Tom Fayer on the call on w MVP Chicago.
A couple of wins in a row, and for the
first time they were pushed up against the wall and
they came through in the clutch with Kayleb Williams leading
the go ahead touchdown drive in the special teams unit

(01:26:27):
finishing it off.

Speaker 6 (01:26:28):
The performance that jumped out to me was the veteran
Kevin Bayern taking us back to his days as a
Tennessee Titan where on multiple plays he's lined up in
the middle of the field as a middle of field
safety does not move. Geno Smith must have been assuming
that Kevin bart was going to go somewhere to his place,

(01:26:49):
because Byrd moved a total of five yards on these
and intercepted Gino Smith, a part of Geno's three interceptions
that you know went part of the way to doom
the Raiders possible. So on, we got Ashton Genty some
life in the run game, So Chip Kelly is off
of my bad lists as we finally got ashion Genty
not just involved in the run game but the past

(01:27:10):
game two and he showed you why he was worth
that top ten pick.

Speaker 8 (01:27:14):
Yeah, three touchdowns for Ashton Janty and my quick math
is telling me one's close to one.

Speaker 9 (01:27:21):
Sixty scrimmage joints. I can't do math that bounce.

Speaker 8 (01:27:26):
And seventeen. Someone else do that for me. But yeah,
it's it is it was refreshing to see this. We
knew they had it in them, right, That's why we
were like just like grabbing them by the shoulders and
shaking them because you're like, we know you have this
in you, despite the fact that your offensive line is
having just such a woeful start to the season and
Gino Smith is under pressure all the time, and man,
I hate it for him. I'm curious, Nick I did

(01:27:48):
not have eyes on the game for most of this game.
I'm curious, how did how did Gino play? Because the
stat line is awful, but sometimes you know, a bad
bounce here, a bad bounce there. Obviously they did not
get rock bound again as involved as would be actually
helping this team with easy outlets and catch and run plays.

Speaker 9 (01:28:05):
What was the Geno Smith situation today? What was the issue?

Speaker 13 (01:28:09):
The Gino Smith situation started with the worst possible outcomes,
which was that interception. And it's funny that you mentioned
that Patrick that he didn't move because Hada March letters
on the broadcast and he's stunned. He's like, they're watching
the second interception. He's like, that's the same interception earlier.
You didn't see him again. So it was about as
bad as you could expect. It was a sloppy game
by both sides, and the Raiders seemed to be able

(01:28:31):
to move the ball a little bit easier early in
this game, but they were undercut by Gino's interceptions, which
is what made Genti's performance so valuable, so essential to
the Raiders even being in this game and having a
lead in the fourth quarter, because without him, they weren't
really doing much of anything. Brock Bauers, like you said,
they didn't get him as involved. When they did get
him involved, he still doesn't look one hundred percent with
that knee. You lose that weapon, your offense is going

(01:28:51):
to be limited, and they were definitely limited. But they
had done enough and for the first time all season,
this Raiders defense could actually get stops. They were keeping
them in the game. Wal Gino was working through his
struggles by the time he kind of found himself. He
was still missing some throws here and there, especially in
key spots, and the sequence at the end there, the
way they handled it conservatively just kind of spoke to
their offensive struggles overall. But it was the first time

(01:29:13):
where I felt like their defense played better than their
offense this season, and Ultimately, the special teams doesn't come through,
they don't make the field goal, and they lose a heartbreaker.

Speaker 9 (01:29:20):
Yeah, Max Crosby put a lot on his shoulders this game.

Speaker 8 (01:29:24):
The Raiders highlights package that is available is a lot
of defense, and it's a lot of Max Crosby trying
to do so much as we kind of feared with
some of the moves that they made in the off
season and didn't make in the off season, and you know,
you worried about like the weight bearing walls on this
team and whether or not there was going to be

(01:29:45):
enough especially on defense support around and I think overall,
you know, we've seen a couple of really good games
from this Raiders defense and surprisingly over expectation of what
I think the roster looks like and what this could be.
The problem is is it's inconsistent, and then when this
happens on the other side and there's turnovers.

Speaker 9 (01:30:05):
And all of that stuff, you're just putting everyone in
a bad spot.

Speaker 6 (01:30:08):
Yeah, the target chair for Trey Tucker just too after
the breakout performance against the Washington Commanders, where you would
hope that these geno bad games don't continue to stack,
but clearly there was an issue, and to give Kevin
Byron the credit on the second interception, he did take
a couple of steps back to where Geno might have

(01:30:29):
thought he was going defense. But again it was just
a couple of steps. But I understand there's a lot
of moving pieces, and you know that the Bears needed
to make plays on defense, like big splash plays on defense,
because this unit doesn't seem to be at this point
capable of making this long sustained defensive success over play

(01:30:49):
in and play out, because the Raiders had done nothing
in the run game all season long, and Nashal Jentz
looked like he was going through the college football once again.

Speaker 9 (01:31:00):
I have scrimmage ere the map, yes man, we.

Speaker 7 (01:31:03):
Had at seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
Yeah, I did it.

Speaker 5 (01:31:05):
Weird.

Speaker 13 (01:31:05):
Number was super valuable, it is it's always hard. Right
carried the two the one it was. I have to
give Gino a little bit of credit here because the
third picky through.

Speaker 4 (01:31:15):
Was a great play by Tyrek Stephenson.

Speaker 13 (01:31:16):
It really wasn't as much on Gino, but for fans
who prefer quarterbacks with you know, accurate showings, one guy Atlanta,
he's eating a bounce back. This is a transition because
right let's tad to Atlanta. Let's check out what Michael
Pennix did with the.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
Falcons pistol formation with Robinson's give.

Speaker 7 (01:31:37):
It to him. Sean, the mustard. You've been waiting for
that one. I like, look at these jump cuts. Look
at the mustard on these jump cuts. He is just
jumping all over the place.

Speaker 13 (01:31:53):
But John Robinson powers the Falcons to a big bounce
back performance. And if you were a fan of explosives,
you got plenty from Atlanta because Michael Pennix teamed up
with Drake London, he teamed up with Bejon, he teamed
up with Kyle Pitts. They're throwing the ball all over
the yard as the Falcons take down the Commanders thirty
four to twenty seven. Of course that's Einigl and JJ

(01:32:13):
Watt on the call. And when Greg messaged me, what's
a good call from that game? I thought, God, the
mustard call by Irony. So with the mustard, all the
condiments on those jump cuts into that end zone, Bijon
has a great day, has the performance kind of similar
to Ashton genty actually, and the Falcons rolled to a
much needed victory over a Commander's team that you know,

(01:32:34):
the second game without Jayden Daniels, didn't have Terry mcclaurin
out there, just felt like they couldn't keep up today.

Speaker 6 (01:32:39):
Yeah, there was moments where you got worried about the
Falcons performing a falconing late in this game, where Marcusmirota
hit Deebo Samuel on a about twenty seven yard I
believe touchdown pass that got them within striking distance, but
the Falcons just kept scoring.

Speaker 7 (01:32:56):
In the fourth quarter, there was a Tyler Algier.

Speaker 6 (01:32:59):
Touchdown run after Beijon got all saucy in the end zone,
and the great part about that call from Iron Eagle
was Bejon he scores, Mike Sammerstil is hanging on to
his ankles, he spins into the end zone, goes down
and then pushes himself up with one hand while he's
holding the ball in the other hand, right as Iron
Eagle is saying the mustard as well. It just perfectly

(01:33:21):
encapsulates how explosive and how incredible of a football player
Baijan can be when he gets the ball in space,
when he gets the ball without space, and really a
bounce back game, as you mentioned, shook from Michael Pennix
Junior and the Falcons can just kind of wash away,
and considering the way that the Panthers played on Sunday,
say that was just one of those weird games where

(01:33:41):
you just burn the tape because they played much better
against Washington today.

Speaker 4 (01:33:46):
Yeah, it felt like folks were really hard on penicxs
last week.

Speaker 13 (01:33:49):
Understandab So is probably the worst game of his career,
and it felt so good to see him come out
and not just dot the field with accurate passes, but
sling it. I mean he's taking shots down the left sideline.
There was a sequence he took like two or three
shots in a row. One gets called back because of
a penalty. They go right after it again. He's connecting
with Drake London repeatedly. This offense feels like it has life,
but it does bumm me out because they did have

(01:34:11):
a firing on their staff this week.

Speaker 4 (01:34:13):
They fired receivers. Coach, I kill you, and everyone's like, well, they.

Speaker 13 (01:34:16):
Fired their receivers coach, Now everything must be fixed, without
maybe considering that this is also a Washington defense that
hasn't quite been the best and for another week looked
a little slow at times.

Speaker 8 (01:34:25):
Yeah, slow and concerning late too, right, like it just
sometimes things just fall fall, seem to fall apart and
compound for this group. And it's obviously well coached, but
sometimes you just wonder, Okay, are there enough players on
this defense? Are there enough young players on this defense?
And I think that's just going to keep coming up
for the Commanders. And it was a similar question that

(01:34:47):
was asked last year. This Michael Pennock's game reminded me
a lot of the Michael Pennocks games we watched when
he was at Washington. Some of the throws he would make.
You want to talk about mustard, I mean the mustard
and the relish on some of those passes that he had.
I mean, like I always believed in him. Let me
put that on the record right now. It is interesting
this is also circulating. This is a very good Zach

(01:35:09):
Robinson tape game the same day that r Oni and
Rampaport was reporting that Zach Robinson may be on the
shortlist for that Oklahoma State job.

Speaker 9 (01:35:21):
Obviously, he played there.

Speaker 8 (01:35:22):
Previously, so it's a good first look at Zach Robinson
for anyone who is curious, and certainly, in my opinion,
I always think that moving down to the field helps
a coordinator because you want to be able to talk
to your quarterback who obviously and have him talk back
to you, which can't actually have that happen when you're
just talking at him in the headset and he can

(01:35:45):
only respond with hand signals and is talking to different
support coaches versus directly to the guy who is calling
the plays for him. And I don't know if this
was a magical fix. I tend to think that last
week was just a big anomaly. Like I've said at
nausea throughout the course of the show, not to keep
throwing shade at the Panthers, whom I love dearly and

(01:36:06):
I want better for. And I just think that this
but this is the Michael Pennix Falcons. This is the
cast of skill players that we are used to seeing,
or that we expect to see from this group, And really,
I think more indicative of what their identity is than
what they showed last week.

Speaker 13 (01:36:23):
Yeah, I think it also reinforces the fact that one
month into the NFL season, a lot of us don't
know who the hell a lot of these teams are.

Speaker 4 (01:36:29):
Yeah, let's think about the Falcons.

Speaker 13 (01:36:31):
Over the last three weeks, they get that the resounding
victory over the Vikings in primetime right, and then they
get absolutely dominated by the Panthers and their worst showing
of the year. Then they come back out and look
like the team that we thought they were that maybe
they looked more like in way back in Week one.

Speaker 4 (01:36:44):
They've been a different team.

Speaker 13 (01:36:45):
Identity wise and the way they've gone about these games
every week, and at minimum, it's encouraging to see an
opposing defense choose to play zone seventy five percent of
the time and dare Michael Pennix to pick them apart,
and then he largely picks them apart with the assistance
of one of the best running backs the NFL and
Bjhon Robinson.

Speaker 4 (01:37:01):
So very encouraging for them.

Speaker 13 (01:37:03):
A good way to end the month to and two
for the Falcons, and a good way for us to
end this part of the show. We say goodbye to Patrick.
This still feels weird for me being in the shoe
saying goodbye to youth in this season.

Speaker 7 (01:37:15):
Good to you.

Speaker 4 (01:37:15):
But me and Jordan are coming back for Sunday and Night.

Speaker 7 (01:37:17):
Yes we'll do yeah joy Sunday Night Football. Everybody thirty four.

Speaker 5 (01:37:22):
Yards on the right hash the kicks away from thirty
four it's.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
Good and the game ends in a tie.

Speaker 3 (01:37:30):
Yeah, they tie at forty and both teams are going
off like they lost the game.

Speaker 7 (01:37:37):
There was there was no excitement on either side.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
They're exhausta too, But you're.

Speaker 9 (01:37:43):
Right, You're right.

Speaker 4 (01:37:45):
A tie feels like a loss.

Speaker 7 (01:37:49):
After all of that.

Speaker 9 (01:37:51):
Oh that was Brad Sham the Sham God and Babe.

Speaker 8 (01:37:57):
Laufenberg on k r L D on call. I am
in the power chair, Nick Shook is with me? After
all the drama? Nick, Wow, nice flex there? After all
the drama, all the madness of back and forth second
half with some truly wild moments between the Green Bay
Packers and the Dallas Cowboys, all the suspense leading up

(01:38:17):
to the Micah Parsons quote unquote revenge game or the
vindication for Jerry Jones. After the Packers last played heartbreakers
to Dallas and we end in a tie forty to
forty in overtime, Nick, what the hell do we just watch?

Speaker 13 (01:38:33):
For those who watch on YouTube, which Liken subscribe as always, uh,
you probably get see Nick.

Speaker 9 (01:38:38):
Schuck's guns just now. You just just hit the flex.

Speaker 4 (01:38:41):
Yeah, hit the cherry on top. That's the bonus.

Speaker 13 (01:38:43):
You probably saw all the facial expressions of those slowly
walking toward midfield, unserved of what to do, like how
do I react to here Michael Parsons eyes darting around
as if he's just entirely uncomfortable because there was no
resolution to this game.

Speaker 4 (01:38:57):
The resolution was a tie.

Speaker 13 (01:38:59):
And I'll avoid all the cliche sayings that describe a tie,
but I will tell you that this game deserved better
than a tie. And yet at the same time, perhaps
it did it because it turned into absolute chaos in
the fourth quarter. Here we go, Jordan, let's run down
some possessions. We'll start with the first touchdown of the
fourth cord that's Josh Jacobs, then eighteen yard touchdown run

(01:39:21):
that gave the Packers the twenty seven to twenty three lead.

Speaker 4 (01:39:23):
But not to be outdone, the Cowboys would respond with
the Javonte.

Speaker 13 (01:39:26):
Williams touchdown run, and then they would just go in order,
back and forth, back and forth, all the way to overtime.
And when the Cowboys get inside the five, they can't
punch it in for a touchdown. They settle for a
field goal. And the only thing that's crazier than that
is Jordan Love just barely having enough time left in
the clock after an in complete pass toward the end
zone for Brandon mcmass to come out and hit the

(01:39:46):
game tying field Boys and sending us all home just
feeling like, what did we just watch?

Speaker 8 (01:39:51):
Yeah, the game that they kind of deserved after the
first half, but the game that we felt like we
didn't get after watching the second half. You know, it
felt like after how wild the second half of this
game got we went into overtime, you know, taking the
listener back a little bit, that Brandon McManus fifty three
yardfield goal tied it up thirty seven all at the

(01:40:12):
end of regulation, and of course Dallas gets the ball
first here after Green Bay wins the kick. The new
overtime rules, it can be debated it's a little bit
of an advantage maybe to get the ball second, because
then depending on whether the opponent hit a field goal
or a touchdown, you now know exactly what age yeah,
to win the game. So I want to talk about

(01:40:34):
this wild sequence because on the third down of Dallas's possession,
Dak Prescott first hits a wide open George Pickens wide
open for some reason, like he was the entire second half,
and many flares were the entire second half down the
sideline for twenty two yards and two plays later one of.

Speaker 9 (01:40:50):
The best throws.

Speaker 8 (01:40:51):
The kids are in charge of the show today, Nick, So,
I think we should submit this here as one of
the throws of the year. Dak so far, Dak Prescott,
under pressure, hits a wild fade away throw to Jalen Tolbert,
who tiptoes to stay in bounds, makes the catch, falling
sideways somehow defying the laws of physics and gravity. And

(01:41:16):
then Micah Parsons prevents a Dak Prescott scrambling touchdown, so
they depend on Brandon Aubrey's leg on that first possession
to go up forty to thirty seven. The Micah Parsons
revenge game was probably not how Micah Parsons himself expected.

Speaker 13 (01:41:31):
It to go.

Speaker 8 (01:41:32):
But if he does not prevent that touchdown at the
end of the game, then we're probably having a different
We're possibly even probably having a very different conversation right now, Nick.

Speaker 4 (01:41:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:41:42):
And it came at a perfect time really because it
was right about the same time where everybody watching was
all coming to the same conclusion of wow.

Speaker 4 (01:41:49):
For being an all world edge rusher.

Speaker 13 (01:41:50):
Micah Parsons certainly isn't stopping the Cowboys offense from moving
the ball down the field right now.

Speaker 4 (01:41:55):
They're doing it with relative ease.

Speaker 13 (01:41:56):
Oh wait, there's a nearly clear path of the end
zone for Dak Prescott to play hero and score a touchdown.
Who catches him from behind? One of the few guys
on the planet who has the speed and the size
to be able to catch him from behind, bring him
down and prevent that touchdown. That was his, I guess,
shining moment. He had another moment in the fourth quarter
there where he was rushing off the edge and Tyler

(01:42:17):
Smith just barely dives out to kind of get him
in the hip and prevent him from what would have
been a strip sack of Dak Prescott and probably could
have wrecked the entire flow of this game and may
have led to a Packer's victory instead.

Speaker 4 (01:42:27):
That's Michael Parson's best moment, and it is a great moment.

Speaker 13 (01:42:30):
It's just there's a little bit of a shadow cast
over it because it didn't lead to a win or
a loss, so we all just walk away feeling as
if we didn't get a real resolution. But it was
good for him and it was also a great counter
punch in the moment to what was a phenomenal play
that you just described that.

Speaker 4 (01:42:47):
It was a throw that Dak is rolling.

Speaker 13 (01:42:49):
To the right and he just basically like throws his
whole body into it and falls forward as he's throwing it,
and then Emily gets hit right when the ball is
released and goes backward. It's just one of those spectacular
plays that only a few quarterbacks on the planet can do,
and Dak Prescott has the arm to get that done.
And this play was full, or this game was full
of plays like that, but that was one of the

(01:43:10):
ones that will remember the most.

Speaker 8 (01:43:11):
Yeah, I thought he was unbelievable. I thought Dak Prescott
was unbelievable tonight. I thought that Jordan Love was mostly
very good. A couple of rough spots here and there.
Romeo Dobbs finished this game with a hat trick. Romeo
Romeo therefore at THEW Romeo he found three times in
the end zone, including for a pretty clutch situation to
go ahead touchdown. Josh Jacobs got running in the second half.

(01:43:32):
You know, a wise man less need once told me,
when you're ever running into adversity, just hit Duo and
run through the roadblocks. I find that to be words
of wisdom, Nick. That's exactly what the Packers did to
start getting this ballgame rolling a little bit. And of
course the Cowboys responded in overtime, though Green Bay had
a chance to respond, and there was some late confusion

(01:43:55):
and trouble getting to the line of scrimmage on a
third and fourteen, and really the only option Jordan Love
had was basically to rip a ball into the end
zone at that point, kind of the safest play to
hit to try to give yourself the touchdown shot, but
also sort of quote unquote protecting the ball in a
way because if it flies out the back of the
end zone, the clock stops, and that's great. And so

(01:44:16):
you know, there's a player sort of in the area,
he almost makes the throw, doesn't one second left on
the clock, And of course now we're all kind of like,
what the heck?

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
That's good?

Speaker 13 (01:44:26):
Yeah, yeah, of course, I mean that sequenced itself. I
felt like the Packers are being just a little too
nonchalant and casual with the clock.

Speaker 4 (01:44:32):
They need to get on the ball earlier, about two
plays earlier.

Speaker 13 (01:44:35):
They do get a couple more plays off, and then
they come down to that, and there's a little bit
of confusion, and I'm thinking, at that point, Clockett, at
least give yourself time to figure out what you want
to do and get organized. Instead, they have this very
slow like muddle huddle and then they snap the ball
and I'm just seeing on my hands in my head
like I'm just like, oh my god, please stop, like
throw the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:44:53):
You're gonna run out of time.

Speaker 13 (01:44:54):
So as soon as the ball deflects off the defender,
I look at the clock and there's and I swear
there's barely once.

Speaker 4 (01:45:00):
And if this was like an NBA clock or a hockey.

Speaker 9 (01:45:02):
Clab, it's rounded up. It's rounded up. Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:45:05):
This is one of those situations in the NBA where
there's two tenths left and all you can do is
tip the ball in or that the only thing that's
legal in the following play because there was like no
time love. There was less than a second there, And
of course, I guess fortunately for Packers fans, they avoid
the loss because there was just enough time to get
a field goal off.

Speaker 4 (01:45:22):
But my god, I did not need that anxiety spike
on a Sunday night.

Speaker 8 (01:45:26):
Yeah, and you know, I think plenty of compliments to
go around, especially if you're extrapolating the second half and
overtime for both of these offenses. Still major concerns, new
concerns about the Packers' defense, I think, or newer concerns
because minus Cedee Lamb, the Cowboys receivers were just.

Speaker 9 (01:45:42):
Finding openings all over the field.

Speaker 8 (01:45:44):
Dak Prescott was unconscious for the second half of this game,
and in overtime did everything he needed to do to
try to get his team to win, other than maybe
high step over Micah Parsons outstretched hand there at the end. Him.
Brian Schottenheimer to me, Nick, I think I think they
got something here because I love the game that shot

(01:46:06):
he called he called. I mean, I hope that he
stays this way when there are actual expectations on the
Dallas Cowboys season, which I would say is fair that
it's they did not enter the year Postparsonstrade with many
but once there are expectations on this offense, I want
to see Shotty still call a game this free, this smart.
The thing, you know, Josh Jacobs on the Packer's side

(01:46:27):
and running duo and inside runs got the Packers going okay, well,
doing all kinds of weird stuff in the run game
with Clayton Adams and all of the you know as
the OC and getting that run plan, that mix of
power and then misdirection with some of the reverses and
the receivers minus CD Lamb on the sideline really stepped up.

Speaker 9 (01:46:47):
I just think this, even if.

Speaker 8 (01:46:49):
It's a tie, you gotta feel really good about this
if you're a Cowboys fan, and I think maybe adequately
concerned if you're a Packers fan because of what you
saw from the defense.

Speaker 13 (01:46:59):
Yeah, absolutely, and I think both things can be true.
The Packers ran into an offense that is performing at
a high level. They have been since Week one really,
save for the second half slowdown in Week one against
the Eagles, this has been a team that's going to
need to be an offensive team and the Cowboys that's
the only way they can win these games.

Speaker 12 (01:47:14):
Now.

Speaker 13 (01:47:15):
They hit a bit of a rut last week when
they played the Bears and they didn't have CD Lamb available,
and you can kind of see where the challenges might exist.
They're also not playing with their full starting five on
the offensive line, but we forget that most of the
offensive line and it's fully healthy.

Speaker 4 (01:47:26):
Is very good.

Speaker 13 (01:47:27):
And even with three of five or maybe four of
five starters, it's still gonna be good. It's still going
to create opportunities for Javonte Williams to get going and
to balance out this offense and to allow Dak Prescott
to cook.

Speaker 4 (01:47:38):
And that's going to be their identity and their strength.
And you're absolutely right.

Speaker 13 (01:47:41):
Him and Brian Schottenheimer have a really good partnership going
and we saw it from week one and we continue
to see it. So I think this is what you
should expect from the Cowboys. It was really nice to
see George Pickens bounce back from that frustrating game in
Chicago last week and come out tonight and catch eight
balls for one hundred and thirty four yards and two touchdowns,
including that clutch touchdown late in the game. But it
also kind of demonstrates how they're working with you know,

(01:48:03):
chewing gum and the duct tape on the defensive side,
and this is the only way that they can play
football now. On the Packers side, you expect a stronger defense.
That's what they were, you know as of the fourth
quarter of last week. The offense melted down in that
game against the Browns, not the defense necessarily, they were
putting bad positions. Tonight was a different story. Tonight's one
of those games we had to go back to the
drawing board and see what did we do wrong, what

(01:48:25):
was wrong with our tackling, especially on that Kickens touchdown.
We're better than that, and I think it's a good
wake up call for them overall.

Speaker 8 (01:48:31):
Yeah, and I want to check out this Pickens touchdown
because that was when, you know, things just really started
to get real weird, you know, after that dreary first half.

Speaker 4 (01:48:39):
A good press got back and standing and fires and
left and it's.

Speaker 5 (01:48:42):
Cut picking, truckles away ten pie picking, pull up picking
touch down, touchdown, touchdown.

Speaker 13 (01:48:52):
When we came back, Jordan, I told you this, this
game reminded me way too much of the Giants Cowboys. Yeah, right,
and let's shoot out of the way touchdown to score
with forty three seconds left in the fourth quarter. And
this game ended up going to overtime. It was the
same story almost except for one or two less Russell
Wilson moonballs. It makes for entertaining content, It makes for
a fun night of football, yeah, even if it ended

(01:49:14):
in a tie.

Speaker 4 (01:49:15):
So that's all we can tell you. And by the way, Jordan,
this game at one point was thirteen to two.

Speaker 13 (01:49:18):
Yeah, and the two points per score on our return
flock field goal for two.

Speaker 8 (01:49:24):
It was a crazy We went from what the hell
just happened chaotic bad to what the hell just happened
chaotic good, and we finished in what the hell just
happened chaotic neutral. So I like to say we've got
some balance, and here on NFL Daily we had great balance.

Speaker 9 (01:49:39):
Today.

Speaker 8 (01:49:40):
We had a plethora of people remote in studio. You know, Nick,
it was nice to kind of run things with you.
I'm starting to get a little mad with power here.
I'm looking forward to Monday Night recaps with you this week.
It's going to be super fun. You're such a pro.
And you guys, when Bad Bunny is performing at halftime
of the Super Bowl, you know, football is facts.

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