2025 Week 6 Recap: Baker Is Balling and The Chiefs Are Back!

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're banning the phrase MVP conversation.
I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm here in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio.
I am so excited and happy to be doing the
Week six recap here with Patrick Claibaan and Jordan Rodrigue.
It was great to be overseas, but I gotta say
having a full NFL Sunday here back in Los Angeles

(00:26):
feels right, feels nice.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
We missed you. It was kind of weird not having
Greg Rosenthal on a Sunday in studio, you know, because
I've been doing it so.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Long, you know.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
No, it was different. We don't have any lag. We
can have nonverbal communication as well.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah, those now waiting for Greg to come screaming in
over the Wow.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
That helps. And it was like, and I mentioned this
MVP conversation because I see a lot of just tweets about, oh,
he should be in the MVP country he should. Well
just just say it with your chest, say he's it's
Week five. By the way, you don't need to have
that conversation if you want, you can just say Baker
Mayfield has been one of the best players in the NFL.
This year. It's very early, but his plane is stupendous.

(01:11):
Why don't we talk about it? To Raymond James stadium
shotgun look.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Tucker in the backfield in motion, Baker Mayfield bell high snap,
looks up field, goals of Baldophield.

Speaker 5 (01:20):
He's out a receiver over.

Speaker 6 (01:21):
That's all touched up, Tapa By touchtop Buckeer.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
It's Tells Johnson, touchdown, Buccaneers. What a prop puss for you?
Two four and one teams entered, one five in one
team left. Tampa Bay takes care of the forty nine
ers thirty to nineteen. Yes, that was Gene Deckerhoff on

(01:46):
wf us. Baker Mayfield just keeps doing it. You can
take away Mike Evans and Chris Godwin and at one
point in this game for in the second half of
Emica Abuka and uh doesn't matter. He's still gonna get
it done on a day. Unfortunately, the forty nine ers
had more injury problems. Let's start by focusing on the

(02:08):
magic that is this Bucks offense right.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Now, Baker Ball, Keith Son, rolling Benby. Let me tell
you guys about the play that sets up this game
changing touchdown. The swing moment of the game. It's the
third quarter. The Bucks are up just one point and
the forty nine Ers had eaten up half of that
quarter's clock on a field goal drive to come within one.

(02:32):
Baker Mayfield's drive at this point seems dead. It's third
and fourteen, and then Baker Mayfield scrambles. He picks up
fifteen yards. He's breaking tackles. He stretches out for the
conversion and we have the sound.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
We're down in loll here's the snap, Phil High dropping
the bow.

Speaker 5 (02:50):
Baker's gonna be sid.

Speaker 7 (02:52):
It gets out of the shack.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
He rushed with whift cops a yard piece will zig
zagging the right breaks another guard.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
Pete fights this wall past till.

Speaker 8 (02:59):
The first.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
Bicker Mayfield give him a first dome the first style.
Mister rough, I do.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Get Jim Dupperhof call I said, awesome. What any snarls afterwards,
and he actually starts looking for contact from forty nine
ers after there he gets up there ed he sort
of he's sort of Elvis Leonore who's going by.

Speaker 9 (03:20):
He's like, what what's up?

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Man?

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yes, Jordan is a full on Bucks fan now after
witnessing her on a Sunday and if you're going to
root for a team this year, this is the hell
of a one to root for.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
One play later, he hits Tes Johnson for that forty
five yard touchdown. The Buccaneers go up twenty seven to nineteen.
There you mentioned it, Greg. They're on their fifth and
six string receivers at this point. They don't mind Johnson
and Johnson can get some right another Johnson, Cameron Johnson,
also got a touchdown pass earlier in the game in
the fourth quarter. Corner back Jamel Dean Tampa Bay corner

(03:54):
Jamal Dean lurked in the flat on fourth and six.
Ice this one out by picking off mac Joe who
didn't even see him under the actual coverage. So this
was a classic Todd Bowles play, the eyes of the
of the quarterback, not necessarily the coverage over the top game.
This was a classic Baker Mayfield game. Another commendable effort
by the bucksfront office to coaching staff to their players

(04:16):
and adjustin yet again to more injuries and more you know,
you know, things that could hams during any other team
during a game.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
And I think this offensive performance really over the last
month is a reminder too. If you're going to have
some part of your team out as long as you
got the quarterback. And then now the offensive line, which
which is healthy as healthy as it's going to be
this year. Cody mak isn't coming back, but the tackles
they've looked good, and you can scheme it up when
you have a quarterback playing that well, and ultimately they're

(04:45):
they're helped out Patrick by the Fred Warner injury. Unfortunately
that sucked. He leaves with an ankle. It's later reported
that it's a dislocated ankle, and Kyle Shanahan says he
will be out for the season. After he left the game,
Josh Dubou of the Associated Press said that the Bucks
average seven point four four yards per play, which would

(05:06):
be a bottom five performance in the Kyle Shanahan era.
So really you could tell that deference wasn't the same
after Warner left.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, and this maybe the straw that breaks the camel's
back and movie he's celebrating the forty nine ers being
able to overcome injuries.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
But it's tough to overstate.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
And I know for a few years there the general
discussion was devaluating the position that Fred Warner plays. But
there's no way like somebody's driving down I four listening
to that great Gene deckerholl call, thinking well, Jeane's lagging
behind the play. There's no way Baker is going on
this fifteen yard run for forty seconds. But that's how
it looked, and with Fred Warner on the field, there
is no conceivable way that Baker Mayfield gets that first down.

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And it's great pointing out like it's not just that
one play, any number of plays that could have been
made where the Bucks in this run game made the
Mabel and I know it felt like it was another
comfort behind game where Baker's making great plays to win
them the game, but they actually had the lead there
when the Bucks were able to salt that lead and
hold on because they were able to run the ball

(06:03):
against forty nine ers.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, it's multiple huge plays that saw immediately the effect
of Fred Warner not being on the field. The Cameron
Johnson touchdown that put the Bucks up twenty to thirteen.
That was a miscommunication resnap off of a motion play
that should have been rearranged by the green dot player,
by the player who's calling the defense on behalf of
the defensive coordinator on the sideline that's Fred Warner. You know,

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it looked like to me that the safety Leonor should
have carried with the motion player because de Winters was
showing blitz and then he kind of moved with the
motion player, but then was clearly going to exchange to
the tight end who was also in line on the
play and could have leaked out. And so that's a
huge problem because then Cameron Johnson everybody lost track of him,

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and Cameron Johnson is, you know, wow, wide open right
behind every single other player on the defense. A lot
of the defenders in this Rebuilding forty nine ers defense,
it is commended, should be commended for it's been very
well coached, and their players have flashed up to in stout,
Alfred Collins, these guys, Michael Williams, they've all flashed such potential.

(07:07):
But if you don't have the general commanding and rearranging
and cannot be fooled by simple out motions or simple
sweet motions like it is, it is a huge difference.
And it certainly made a difference in this game right
away because they targeted him not being there.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Look, they're not going to ever get fully healthy this year.
If Fred Warner and Nick bos are not coming back.
It's like they're not going to get close. What they
have to hope for is getting healthy yer on offense.
George Kittle might be back next week. We'll see pierceall
back on the field. But this is a team that's
going to have to win by scoring a lot of points.

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Mac Jones, to my eye when I was watching this game,
had a lot of dimes in this game and was
up for the challenge. Kendrick Bourne finishes with one hundred
and forty two yards. But you mentioned coaching, and one
of the reasons, you know, I thought the forty nine
ers might pull off an upset here. The Bucks have
made me wrong many times this year was that I
thought Shanahan could out coach Bulls. But I remember you
being very excited about the play call on that Bulls,

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you know, about that interception that they pulled off, and ultimately,
like the backups with toanj just and McCaffrey being a
great receiver but still very inefficient as a runner, like
it just hasn't been enough.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, what I will commend Mac Jones for is he
plays sort of this like fearless brand of football, Like
he's not afraid to push the ball. You know there's
gonna be some errors. There was another play that this
Bowls defense got them on early on an interception pretty
much right away. The combination, the corner combination of Parish

(08:38):
and Vildor, which sounds like something out of Game of Thrones,
has been playing really, really well, but Vildor had the
early interception of Mac Jones and it makes a big
pass break up late in quarter four to help ice
out this game. They're just playing really well. They understand
their assignments. They're not necessarily names that you know, the
average listener sitting at home is going to know. Parish

(08:59):
has gotten some pop in recent weeks. But Mac Jones,
I thought, played really well through most of this game.
He's running out of people to throw the ball to.
I mean, DeMarcus Robinson is making plays for him down
the stretch. Respect to DeMarcus Robinson, but nobody really saw
that coming this year, especially coming in late after the suspension.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, well, you know, Juwan Jennings got into Kyle Shannan's
face at one point and sort of had jail.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Why what else could go wrong?

Speaker 3 (09:24):
There was also a play where the forty nine ers
had a first and goal opportunity. They wound up getting
a fiel on the drive because Juwan Jennings had the
most illegal screen I've ever seen. It could have been
called a blonde side block, it was so nasty. The
defender was then down for several minutes afterward.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Juwan Jennings said after the game that he was playing
with five broken ribs and an ankle injury, so five
that's what he.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Said that didn't come out during the week.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Five broken ribs and speaking of postgame comments that I
just found interesting, Baker Mayfield said, Tedz Johnson is one
hundred and forty two pounds representation for the skinny guys
in the NFL. Love you, Tesz Johnson for making it
this one.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
I was worried he was going to get hurt on
that flip.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
I was like, no, but it's like a squirrel for
you know, you can't really you can't really hit your
your top speed falling down when you're only one forty two.

Speaker 9 (10:18):
Going to hurt it.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
So the Bucks keep finding a way. They're at five
and one. If if we were trying to find a theme,
Patrick came up with it for me today, or maybe
it was Eric. Actually it was the show it was.
It was the teams that like needed to take care
of business, took care of business. Like there weren't the
big upsets and all the banana peals that were on
the ground, like down in Miami, the teams with a

(10:42):
winning record managed to avoid them. So a second and
ten still keep their time out.

Speaker 10 (10:47):
A great play by Herbert to extend that enough to
get the incompletion bunch formation right, Trey Harris left, Herbert
got to get rid of it, able to break a tackle.

Speaker 6 (10:59):
Here we go, Lad mccon just led to the forty
to the thirty to the twenty, Lad still want to
speak shops on the bout's left sideline. Whatta play? Oh,
Ladd mccaukee stops the clock at twenty two seconds.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Oh, you don't tell me that, Lad mcconkeye is no
longer a number one receiver. That's a franchise quarterback and
a franchise receiver making a game winning play when they
absolutely need it. Few plays later, Cam Dicker hits the
game winning field goal from thirty three yards out. Chargers
win twenty nine to twenty seven. That, of course, was

(11:39):
the great Matt money Smith on k f I Fun Game.
TUA has a touchdown with just over a minute to go,
and you think the Dolphins are gonna maybe get a
season changing win, but it was not to be.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Pat Now, it was a great kickoff return by the
Chargers that set up that final possession, and Greg called
it aside inside of a minute actually where you think,
here's this big moment for the Miami Dolphins.

Speaker 5 (12:05):
They need to solve their red zone woes.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
And the solution to the red zone woes this Darren
Waller is he gets his fourth touchdown in the twenty
twenty five season. But then the kickoff return, then Justin
Herbert goes lad mccauckie probably wanted to stay in bounds there,
but they got a few more commanding Videll carries go
Trojans and he had the game of his young career
Videll on the ground. But the thing that leapt out

(12:28):
to me because the game starts with t A hitting
Jalen Waddle on a nice ball. Either Waddle bobbled it
or Tarhie still punches it out, but it goes right
into Tony Jefferson's hands and it's like, oh, here we go.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
It's one of.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Those interceptions where box score to us throwing picks again.
It was a nice throw, but the Chargers give the
ball right back. Devon a Chan has a forty nine
yard run for a touchdown and it's like.

Speaker 5 (12:50):
Okay, yeah, this is it.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
We're in and the Dolphins and Chargers went back and
forth ultimately until that fourth quarter stretch that we just
talked about where the Chargers were able to overcome no
Quinton Johnson lad filling in nicely and Justin Herbert.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
I had to look at the on the run stats.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Eight attempts going over eight miles an hour had a
passer rating of ninety eight point four.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
Wow, he's just sitting and they.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Need to bump up on the run stats on NNGS
because Herbo's on the run this year has been much
faster than eight miles an hour on a lot of
these throws where you know, missing tackles, not missing tackles,
but missing their starting tackles. Ultimately, coming into the season,
still know Joe Alt and he's having to escape just
like he escaped from Jalen Phillips on that final play

(13:38):
within the pocket. But there was just so much of
the Chargers offense other than a nice day from Videll
On the ground. That was just justin Herbert gotta have
it moments, and he made those plays today.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Unfortunately, this is where we're at once again with the Chargers.
Is justin Herbert doing something kind of heroic when something
kind of heroic needs to.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Be three games this season, if you think about it,
that ended this way with like a hero ball play
by her.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yes, and then like okay, great, our kicker is good,
so thank god, right and and so that. But that's
the thing is because going back and looking at that play,
I mean I almost didn't even have to look at it.
I'm listening. It was cool listening to everybody get excited
about it in the newsroom and all of that stuff.
But like, I've missed newsrooms, you know, everything's been so remote.
It's nice to hear everyone freaking out.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
We're back.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Newsrooms are back one and and so but it it's
it was like I was, like I almost started asking
the question, is was was justin Herbert under pressure? Yes,
there's no need to even look, but you can go
look And he was once again because and it's Mechai Becton,
who's missed a lot of the last couple of games,
being in the concussion protocol. He's been in and out obviously. Patrick,

(14:45):
you mentioned they're missing their left and right tackles, They're
missing their starting running back, they're missing their star, both
of their starting up.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Left tackle as well, Trey Pipkins was out.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
They're missing their number one receiver, and still Justin Herbert
makes something happen. This is not sustainable. We've seen it
year over year over year. This is not sustained a
way to play football.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
I hear that, and you're absolutely right. This portion of
the schedule before All comes back, I just feel like
every extra win is like a little more valuable. Yeah
for them, they just have to find a way to
survive this part of the schedule and if their offensive
line can get healthy enough again with All back, and yeah,
they were down to their fourth tackle because Pipkins was

(15:23):
out as well. Like the numbers wise, his pressure rate
that he faced actually like he got hit seven times
today and face a thirty percent pressure rate Like that's
that's an easy Sunday for Justin Herbert. That's by far
the best, No, that's I would guess that's the best
protection he's had probably since Week one against the Chiefs.
So he'll take it and he'll just barely, you know,

(15:45):
be a game Dolphins effort. Look, they were down twenty
six to thirteen in the fourth quarter. They make a comeback,
and it's it's kind of been typical for this team. Patrick, Like,
you look at the offense and you think, actually, they
did pretty well. Their success rate was through the roof
on the ground and Tuam made a lot of good
plays and he has a comeback. But when they just
need like one more play at the end, They've struggled

(16:07):
this year. There are a lot of really bad one
win teams, and I don't think the Dolphins are good.
They have major problems, but they are one of those
teams that could look back at four of these games
and think, man, if we got like one or two
plays different, it'd be different.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yeah, and it comes out right Kamani Vadel again. Eighteen
carries for one hundred and twenty four yards.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
By the way, when you say go Trojans, you mean
the Troy trop Yes, I mean the true We do
not you know stand the USC Trojan.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
No, Yeah, actual Trojans live in Troy, which is Troy, Alabama.
Shout out to the Trojans again. The all time leading
rusher in the history of the Troy Trojan football program,
I had one hundred and twenty four yards on six
point nine yards per carry. Where this Fins defense we
just saw like them get brutalized up and down the
field multiple weeks consecutively. And while we celebrate the progress

(16:53):
with the offense and like this, I'm not gonna.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
Call it assiance. The revitalization of Darren Waller's career.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
It's oh, I think we can call the Waller Sons maybe.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
The best guys.

Speaker 5 (17:06):
It's week six, Okay, no more sons. I'm celebrating this now.

Speaker 9 (17:11):
The Sons and Sances is in full of.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Fen comeback album for for Darren Waller. Uh on the
offensive side. But it's just it's week in and week out,
like consistent warriors by this well these other like we
look at the Panthers defense, the Ravens defense today, everybody's
seeing growth, but the Fins are right where they were.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Let's listen to to a tongue of Ala. It's funny
because so much focus is on this offense and their
relative struggles. You're right, it is that the league's worth
wors defense. It's really been the bigger problem. But to
us just an honest guy at the podium, and I
think this one is not going to get him in trouble,
but it's going to get them a lot of conversation.

Speaker 11 (17:48):
I think it starts with the leadership in helping articulate
that for the guys, and then what we're expecting out
of the guys, Right, we're expecting.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
This, Are we getting that?

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Are we not getting that?

Speaker 11 (17:59):
We have guys showing up to only player only meetings late,
guys not showing up to player only meeting Like, There's
a lot that goes into that. Do we have to
make this mandatory? Do we not have to make this mandatory?
So so it's it's a lot of uh, it's a
lot of things of that nature that we got to
get cleaned up. And it starts with the little things

(18:20):
like that.

Speaker 9 (18:21):
What was the question there, I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
I think I think it was about like what they
needed to improve upon in terms of the details and everything.
And I think he was talking about the player leadership.
He was talking about himself. He's like, it comes down
to the leadership. He is the leadership. And the way
he said it I think was a little confusing. It
was an indirect way of pointing them at himself. I
believe because he's talking.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Well himself and other captains.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
I assume, yes, Like it's like an onion level of
headline to say that players are not showing up to
player only meetings on time or at all.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
So I think, I mean, he's trying to do the
aj Brown thing where he talks to his teammates through
the media, but he's so like he's to us, So
he's like really earnest and maybe says it in a
way that's like not subtle enough, like it's almost too
overt that we're like, wait, what does he actually mean
by this? So it I mean the vibes are strange

(19:16):
in Miami. Patrick, you mentioned the run defense, So I
am like a bit of a football sicco as you
guys know. And since it's week six and it's the
thing that's cycling through my conscious and my subconscious at
in a given moment, I'm a vivid sleep talker, like
full sentences, like coherent, like vivid painting a picture of things.

(19:41):
In my sleep talker, I'll wake myself up often talking
in my sleep. Last night, I woke myself up in
my sleep talking about the Miami Dolphins run defense and
how they defend the run as if they only want
to rush the passer, And it was like a full
on like I was on this podcast making this exact point.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Now I've made the point.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
So weird.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Oh my god, you're also you're kind of a sleep
mumbler watching games, just like saying things to yourself that
aren't really intended for me, but just making what the
little common And look, they were better. They were better
on paper than the Chargers run defense today, at least
in terms of like success rate in everything, like the
Chargers defense has been terrible on the ground too.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
But ultimately, trying to give Patrick time to look up
this question.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
Yeah, on the concept.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
The question was how do you keep this team from
taking a woe is me mentality like this keeps happening
to us?

Speaker 9 (20:34):
And that that was his answer, Yes, and they run.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
So he volunteered. The whole idea of them not showing
up to the players only means which means I think
he was really going out of his way, Yeah, to make.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
That point, the AJ Brown thing, But you can't nobody
but AJ Brown can pull off the AJ Brown thing
to like.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Especially because he's the quarterback.

Speaker 5 (20:52):
I mean, the issue is they're one and five.

Speaker 9 (20:55):
Yeah, like that's the issue.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
They're not winning football games, Like who we joke about
the players only meetings, Like.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
None of it matters, like that that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
And there's so there's gonna be because even in looking
for the context, I've already seen all these Oh well
here comes to us saying this, and so it's disaster
and no, the disaster is on.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
The football great morning at TV tomorrow, Patrick, Yeah, but no, it's.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Gonna be horrible because it's gonna we're not talking about
the things that actually matter in terms of not being
able to stop the run, like making horrible rush.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
I actually saw a couple plays with Herbert was just
back there and actually didn't have any pressure on him,
and I'm thinking, Wow, their pass rush really is struggling.
So you're right, there's a lot of.

Speaker 5 (21:36):
Let's no meeting is going to fix that.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, let's talk.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Let's end this game on a positive note, which is
a John a Jim Harbaugh quote, And we just haven't
had enough of those the last few weeks with the losses.
And he said, how he'll remember that Lad McConkie play.

Speaker 12 (21:53):
Justin Herbert back to throw Defender wrapped around him.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
He's able to.

Speaker 12 (22:01):
Just a mighty man and uh shake it off and
Hitler mconkey, Lad does he stop?

Speaker 5 (22:09):
Fly By?

Speaker 12 (22:10):
Yeah, I'm gonna remember that play. So they throw dirt
over top of me. That's how great I feel about
feel about that.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
That's how I'm gonna really categorize anything that happens in
my life, whether I remember or not until the day
that they throw dirt on top of.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
Well, I mean yeah, I mean that's betting on yourself.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
If you're gonna remember it all the way until the
dirt's going on, that's fight until the end.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
That's that's fair.

Speaker 5 (22:35):
And it's like, hey, guys, this a little early.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Speaking of throwing dirt on the team, let's uh, let's
talk about the team we pick against in our Survivor
pool every week, the Bengals and the Packers. Here's a
fake handoff love bootmaking White tumps.

Speaker 5 (22:53):
It off, flap to the turn of the fight, to the.

Speaker 13 (22:57):
Touchdown touchdown, Packer touchdown, Chuck her Crown.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Wayne Larivie Yes on WR and W. There's no such
thing as being a hero when it comes to a
Survivor pick. There's just picking against the Bengals each and
every week, which I feel bad about, because they battled
in this game, at least in the second half. Twenty
seven to eighteen. The Packers get it done once again

(23:26):
on a day where the teams that needed to win
found a way to get a win. And in the
first half of this game, I was just wondering, what
are we doing here? Why did we add Joe Flacco
to this mix? It was the most one sided ten
to nothing halftime score that you could possibly imagine. At
one point it was two hundred and forty one yards

(23:48):
to twenty. The Bengals have not scored a touchdown in
the first half for four straight games. That has not
happened for them since the nineteen seventies. And I got
a hand to Joe Flacco after halftime. He played pretty well,
and the Bengals defense, which had at least been competing
pretty well, stopped getting stops. And that's what good teams do,

(24:11):
and that's what the Packers I believe to be at
three one and one, when they needed their offense to
step up in the second half, they did it in
the first half. They didn't necessarily need to get that
much done. And I will remember a play from Jordan Love.
It was third and nine, when the Bengals had actually
just scored a touchdown that the result was still up

(24:31):
in doubt, and Jordan Love is rolling left. He takes
a shot while throwing the ball down the field to
Matthew Golden. One of my favorite throws of the entire day,
and a throw that reminds you, like, Okay, not many
people in the world can make that throw. That might
not be on a ton of highlight reels tonight, but like,
that is a game winning throw and ultimately the Bengals

(24:54):
never got a chance even though they kept scoring to
have the ball when it was only a one score game.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, the Packer started off kind of quiet and a
little slow and a little messy on offense to start
this game, especially coming off that much rest. Seventeen fourth
quarter points and they're awake now they looked a lot
more like this team that should have just steamrolled over
the Bengals by the end of this game.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, Golden was very active in this game. It doesn't
look crazy in the box score. Two carries for sixteen yards,
three catches for eighty six yards, but he was opened
down the field. The throw that he made to Jordan
Love was a terrific catch and you could tell right
off the bat they were making a point to get
him involved. And that was after having the bye week,

(25:39):
so it was kind of like Lafleur, like the first
thing he wanted to do, I think in this game
was Josh Jacobs in the running game and get Matthew
Golden back on track. Two for two there, Josh Jacobs
ends up with over five yards per carry.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yeah, a solid game from both of them. And we
got to that point there in the second half because
the Bengals started the third quarter with the ball after
after the kickoff opening kickoff, they take the ball. They
have it for ten minutes, like it's almost the entire
third quarter before Jordan Love gets back on the field
and they go down and score.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
They shortened the game on themselves. Yeah, I love that strategy.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
And I wondered, like, this is an ugly nice drive
from Joe Flacco. This is just like the game in
Cleveland that the Packers actually lost, but they ultimately get
plays where Jordan Love had a nice scramble to extend
on a third down. But there was again I owe
Joe Flacco in apology because I like you, Greg thought

(26:33):
that this didn't make any sense, But there was great
coverage by Kashawan Nixon on Jamar Chase on one of
these throws where you'll just realize, oh, that's Jamar Chase,
where Flacco fits the ball in between Nixon. Well, case,
Chase got in between Nixon and McKinney, but still the
ball was there where Jamarka.

Speaker 5 (26:51):
Get it, and you know they weren't getting that in
the past few weeks.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
It makes you happy and it makes you sad, honestly,
because it's like, that's going to be the play, right,
Joe Flacco hurling an impossible throw towards a receiver who
will always be able to make what we would otherwise
think is the impossible catch. And then a lot of
the other stuff looks like what a lot of the

(27:14):
other stuff look like today, including you know, Trey Hendrickson
leaving with the back injury.

Speaker 9 (27:19):
Oh man, that's brutal, and.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
That some people were raising their eyebrows at that.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah, conspiracy theorists are wondering, hmm, is he just not
like playing through it when he could be traded in
the next couple of weeks. I do wonder not about that.
I don't believe that for a second. People, I will
not do so, but I do know one I would

(27:44):
never think that he's taking an injury.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
I do think everyone's eyes on me all of a sudden.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
If they don't win on Thursday Night Football, that the Bengals,
that will be their fifth straight loss. And after the
first half of this game, I was thinking, Man, you
don't see a team get their really dominated for four
straight weeks like the Bengals have been in these four games,
and they always just give you a little something like, oh,
the defense played pretty well in this one, or the

(28:11):
offense made a couple plays late like Jake Browning did
last week, and in this game, to be fair, they
did not have the ball that many times in this game.
They started with a little over twenty yards on their
first four possessions, which is a disaster, but they scored
or missed a field goal on their remaining five possessions.
I actually thought the offense looked pretty good. The offense
played better, they ran the ball well Flacco you like

(28:33):
in general. Flacco made a couple of nice throws. But
it's like they always give you just a little to
believe in, Like Zach Taylor's going crazy.

Speaker 9 (28:39):
I don't believe.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
I don't believe at all, and I do think there
might be a fire sale, at least in the form
of Trey Hendrickson if they keep losing game.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
There's an asterisk on one of those field goals because
Evan McPherson lined up for record tying sixty seven yard
field goal, puts it through the uprights, but Matt Lafleur,
the ultimate hater, waited for him to be in his
like seconds before the snap Paul's time out.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
We had the record.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
It was there, it was there, It was at Lambeau,
it was on grass. There was no way anybody was
gonna be able to ask risk this. Instead, Eman McPherson
has to come out after breaking the NFL record trying
to kick.

Speaker 5 (29:14):
It again and he missed it. He was short, like
eight yard short.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
I'm so glad you brought this up because to me,
it showed exactly where the Cincinnati Bengals reputationally are at
right now because Matt Lafloor, despite the first half performance
that his own team had put up at that point
in his own offense that he's calling the plays for,
had the like onions and the sort of I'll just

(29:40):
say it kind of a deep move right to go
and say. Finally turned to his Special Teams coach. He's
standing kind of off camera. We saw close up of
it on the broadcast, and he looks like to me,
he looked like he's saying the words, should I get
him right before he goes and kicks it, and that
if you can pick on a team like bad, if
you can bully the kicker of all people, the one

(30:03):
glimmer of positivity that you might get, you might get.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
A record, it's an unfair advantage. I don't think you
should be allowed to call timeouts like that. There's no
way to outlock because you can't.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, and Zach Taylor knew it. He was he was
kind of like laughing. He was, but he was kind
of doing the thing like what the heck man on
the other side on the other sideline. Obviously these two
know each other very well, and it's like, man, it's
fun to pick on your friends when they're on the
opposite sideline. But in Matt Lafleur's case, he I think
you know you relish being the bully in your house
with a team that is so just poor in every

(30:36):
phrase in every phase comes in like that.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
And the real loser is all of us because more
coaches are going to try to ice the kicker now
as some sort of weird psychological game. It comes to
your advantage when you have to like rip into a
sixty seven yardist and then seconds later have to do
it again, Like that's that's the actual problem. There's no like, oh,
I'm getting in his head with this time.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
I know you're you're wearing them out intentionally, You're like, yeah,
wind up and do that crap in. Man.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
They always say they like to kick, take the practice kick,
but I think from six in that case, you probably shouldn't. Okay. Yeah,
the Bengals have lost four straight since they lost Joe Burrow.
The Packers at three one in one. Good job by
them taking care of business. Let's take a break and
let's come back, and let's take a little visit to

(31:22):
the rest of the NFC West.

Speaker 13 (31:33):
Sam Donald starts under center fort and wide to the
right side.

Speaker 5 (31:38):
Play fake.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Donald has time, gonna let it fly.

Speaker 8 (31:41):
Jasen is out.

Speaker 13 (31:42):
There, Jaysen has cut down chayhawks. Let's spike in the
end zone and a sixty one yard rocket to number eleven.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Jay Yeah, Sen put six more on.

Speaker 13 (31:56):
The board for the Hawks, and that's how you lose
off that defense that is fighting you tooth and nail
at the line of scrimmage. You throw over them and
the Seahawks explode for a big touchdown reception.

Speaker 14 (32:10):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Sam Donald to Jackson Smith and Jigba maybe the best
connection in the entire NFL this season. You gotta put
Jackson Smith and Jigga in the MVP conversation. Is great
and we're having a conversation. Everyone's always out. It's an
MVP conversation. Gotta put Sam darn on the MVB conversation
and we're five weeks in. Who is this conversation? Just

(32:31):
say say it.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
That's what they're trying to do.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Sam Donald is pretty awesome right now. Seahawks win twenty
to twelve in Jacksonville. I loved everything about the Seahawks'
performance in this game, except for their running game, I
would say, but considering they were down three starters in
the secondary, really every group I thought of their team

(32:56):
was better than the opposition.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
Pass they were and going down.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
It's started with the Jacksonville Jaguars getting in the end
zone first, where you wondered if the Seahawks were their
coverage roes were gonna be all game, because they blew
a coverage on Brian Thomas Junior that gave the Jags
their opening touchdown. But in Jags fashion, Cam Little misses
the extra point. That's how you had the six on
the board when they get that big sixty one yarder

(33:20):
from Sam Donald to JSN, and the Jags offense really
couldn't get anything mustard over the course of this game. Well,
the defense continued to make plays. They got trey Von
Walker back this week. He had wrist surgery, so he
was playing with a cast on, but still had the
impact in the game. Heinz Allen bothering Donald as well

(33:43):
on several plays. But it's really when you see Sam
Donald in the way he's played these past couple of years,
hitting these deep passes like that was the story of
the game.

Speaker 5 (33:51):
It wasn't just that one to JSN.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
He had a nice ball to Cooper Cup that ultimately
set up another Cooper Cup touchdown, first one as a
Seahawk relations Welcome to the end zone.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
And that touchdown was a really nice throw by Darnold too.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
And so like we get to the point where it's
third quarter, it's twenty to six. Trevor Lawrence hits Brian
Thomas Junior on a great ball down the sideline. BTJ
breaks the tackle, goes in the end zone. The folks
in Duval are celebrating. Everything is great, but Travis Hunter
was a full step off sides and it's just frustrated
because it had no impact on the play. It's one
of those things where it comes all the way back,

(34:24):
but that gets Liam Cohen and this wild hair and
the drive continues. They go for it on fourth down
twice in that drive, ultimately get a Tim Patrick touchdown
that ensuing possession. Ventral Meller gets a sack on third down.
The Jags get the ball back, but the offense is
clunky once again. The Seahawks defense gets the stops and
it just continues that way. Ultimately, and told, the Seahawks

(34:46):
improved to four and too.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
It's one of those where Trevor Lawrence in the box
score looks solid enough, although I guess the yards per
attempt is under six that's not great, but watching the game,
he just was not accurate throughout the course of the game. Now,
some of that you can give to the Seahawks pass rush.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah, they came back. Welcome back everybody.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yeah, it was intent. On the other hand, the Seahawks
pass rush looked incredible in part because Trevor Lawrence just
would not get rid of the ball and he was
just holding on.

Speaker 9 (35:13):
To it forever.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
The Seahawks finished with seventeen quarterback hits. You do not
see a number like that too often, and seven sacks
taken by Lawrence. There were definitely quick pressures in there
in the Seahawks pass rush deserves a ton of credit.

Speaker 9 (35:27):
The Jaguars offensive line, which had.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Played so well throughout most of the year, I think,
struggled a little bit the last two weeks, but a
lot of that was Lawrence just kind of holding on
to the ball.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Part of the statistic analysis that proves that what your
eyes are telling you too, Greg, is twenty two pressures
total for the Seahawks defensive line as a group, and
that their pass rush as a group, according to True Media.
That's early numbers from True Media right after the game,
and so many of those are turning into hits and sacks.
That is partially and a huge part in this game.

(35:58):
Watching him on the quarterback and what I am really
impressed with I've been impressed with the Seahawks since Week one.
This is an exciting team. They're ascending. They can be
dominant in different types of ways. They can win games
in different types of ways. They coached around the deficiencies
on the defense. They took advantage of what is really
an area of the Jacksonville team building process that is

(36:20):
still very much coming together in terms of format's identity,
which is their passing game, and they were you know,
they attacked them in that they attacked them up front
without worrying as much about what was going to happen
on the back end, and I thought it was really impressive.
They're winning with math. The Seahawks are all over the field,
whether it's deciding we're gonna send the pressure and try

(36:42):
to win that way and not really trust as much
what you're gonna do with your receivers because we haven't
quite seen a full on identity take hold yet. We've
seen bits and flashes of it, but not the full thing.
And then on the offensive side, Seattle's winning with math.
With their tight ends. A J. Barner is wide open
on at least two passes two catches a game and
it's really interesting. They love to load up and go heavy,

(37:04):
and it is a nightmare for especially zoning defenses that
are trying to flip their math in their shell coverage
every single time you change the personnel on them.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Yeah, there was a AJ Barner play that essentially ended
the game in the hopes for the Jacksonville Jaguars because
it led to a Jason Myers field goal that would
make the comeback a little unfeasible. It's sixty one yards
from AJ Barner where he's got Win guard to his
left and he's hand fighting with him for thirty yards
down the field. But it's the downfield passing of Sam

(37:32):
Donald once again, where in weeks where we saw some
quarterbacks get hidden, today where Sam Donald in the fourth
quarter like in fact, the whole second half on full display,
full availability to attempt every throw and the Seahawks team
expects their quarterback to complete them, then they should.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
And the defense picks up the offense and vice versa.
I mean, there was a four drive stretch in the
second half where the Seahawks had a total of two
first downs and they were almost bagging the seat Jaguars
to come back in the game. But the defense holds up,
and then Clint Kubiak comes up with that great play call,
being aggressive with a chance to put the game away
with under three minutes to go, And yeah, he sees

(38:12):
Barnard just wide open on the throwback pass. And Darnold's
been pretty good under pressure in general. But like we
wouldn't find out today, he was one for four under pressure.
He just was not facing much. So goodwin by the Seahawks.
They get to four and two, Jaguars fall to four
and two. They will be heading overseas to play the Rams.

(38:33):
Spicy one would the Rams be going to London on
a high.

Speaker 10 (38:39):
Stafford has first and goal, takes a snap, boots out
the right side early.

Speaker 7 (38:43):
To a flat all alone.

Speaker 6 (38:44):
Tyler Hickbee struts in big rig Higgs with a spike
and a two touchdown lead on the road in Baltimore.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Our friend JB Long on KSPN. Great call, even if
I don't love the fake camp celebration. Tyler Higbee gets
it done, gets in the end zone on a day
where the Rams played with their food a little bit.
It happens, that's what these Rams do. But they did
score two touchdowns in the span of a minute. And

(39:17):
thirty two seconds early in the second half, and that
ultimately finished out the scoring seventeen to three against the
Cooper rush and snow puntley led Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
This looked like a worst case scenario unfolding for the
Rams in an early early game to start a long
road trip, first to Baltimore then to London. Their offense
could not move the ball awful in the red zone
at first, including back to back missus receivers Dvonte Adams
included in that one receivers were dropping passes. Pukinakua was
injured before halftime, spent halftime in the locker room getting

(39:54):
his ankle wrapped up, tried to come back in, came
back a couple plays, had to leave with sporadically in
and out of the game. Their defense was getting run
over in the first half to the tune of ninety
yards by Derreck Henry, and special teams continued to be awful.
They were tied three all versus the Cooper rush at
that time Ravens at halftime and then doom now now

(40:16):
doom doo new new that's right, enter land Man, the
Rooms middle linebacker punched out another ball as second of
the season to force a fumble in the third quarter,
Quentin Lake recovered it. The Rams scored two plays later
that played a higbee that you just watched. They went
up seventeen to three and there they would stay thanks
in part to that play man swung the game big

(40:40):
time for them.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Yeah, on the broadcast, there was a discussion about that
being Zay flowers first ever fumble, and every Ravens.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
Fan in the world was like, oh there was one.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Yeah, playoff games Couch, I hate when they bring this up. Dad.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
Anyways, Yeah, no, definitely counted that one.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
But you started and there's the old hawk, I mean
from endgame where it's like, don't give me hope. But
Tyler Huntley comes in the game on a fourth and twelve.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
All run quarterback runs and there there.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Was a moment but the offensive line breaks down. Ultimately
their sacks and throwaways to end the game. But signs
of life from the Baltimore Ravens defense, like if you
say the Rams are playing with their food, it's like.

Speaker 5 (41:24):
Ah, or maybe bright Baltimore didn't like trip over himself.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Well, they got Kyle Hamilton and Marlon Humphrey back in
this game, which is pretty massive for their secondary. Still
a little surprising that they were able to slow them down,
but yeah, they outgained the Rams ultimately in this game
two ninety six to two forty. And yeah, that Tyler
Huntley drive that you mentioned that was the ultimate short
in the game on yourself drive almost a ten minute drive,

(41:48):
seventeen plays where they ultimately couldn't score any points and
it was over after that.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yeah, and I want to commend it particularly Marlon Humphrey
because he was in position to have an interception on
that play in the corner of the end zone. Actually,
unfortunately that's the one pukin Akuah got hurt on. Pukan
Akua had to go into defense mode essentially to break
up that potential interception. This was a really up and

(42:14):
down game by by everybody, by Matthew Stafford, especially by
his receivers. He missed a couple of throws, but he
also had a couple of crucial drops Jordan Whittington, who
is seems to be the number three receiver on this
football team at this point. It maybe will have to
do more in the future because pukin Akua's status is
very much up in the air. Sean McVay said postgame
it was an ankle injury. The team's official word on

(42:38):
it during the game was a foot injury. So this
happens frequently with the Rams, so definitely something to keep
an eye on there. It's especially bad to be injured
on a really long road trip like this. Never good
at all. Phukanakua. I mean, let's do it, Let's put
him in the MVP converse. No, but it really is.
He's having the best season, leading the league of all

(42:59):
receivers and in so many categories, and thank you Walker
walking first down waiting to happen. And if he is hurt,
the entire lens of this offense shifts because it was.
Even though Sean McVay has said he doesn't want to
funnel his offense through one player, it has been going
through Matthew Stafford and Puka Nakua and so getting that

(43:20):
multiplicity that Sean McVay keeps saying he wants, especially if
Puka's banged up, is going to be big.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Now, yeah too too. At We was inactive for this game.
Blake Quorum left with an injury. They haven't consistently gotten,
you know, their rookie Ferguson, Terrence Ferguson going Higbee ends
up leading the team. They've tried to force the ball
to DeVante Adams and it hasn't been incredibly efficient. Not
that he hasn't helped. I'm glad you mentioned Landman, though,
I mean seventeen.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Seventeen tackles that agious franchise record. I want to shout
out too, because now you're gonna see other players they
need more from. Jordan Winnitting for sure, he had a
bad drop and then had a couple of other errors
throughout the game. But Kyron Williams part of what gets
the Rams going in the right direction and gives them
a little bit of life after more miskicks by Josh

(44:05):
Carty and Sean McVay hates his kicker so much at
this point that he's he's like going for it all
the time, which is a big deal for McVeagh, who
didn't go for it earlier in the game. And then
Cardy misses a twenty six yard kick. It's just bad,
and and and so on fourth and three in the
On the opening drive of the third quarter, Matthew Stafford
hits Kyen Williams for a one point five cheeks down

(44:29):
thirty yard catch which then sets up Kyen Williams own
rushing touchdown with a big block by Davis Allen to
help him out. These are huge plays that gave them
life in the Rams cannot seem to put a full
game together, but for every second or fifth game, you know,
and and that's bad that they have to. They have
to be able to put a complete game together. Their

(44:50):
defense carried them in a lot of ways today. Shout
out to Byron Young leading the league in sacks to
this up to this recording with seven and a half
helped close the game out. It's just I don't know
what this team is. I know what they want to be.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
You're like, that's most of the league right now. And yeah,
this was one they just had to survive. The Ravens
got to where everyone thought they were going to get to,
which is one in five at the bye week. We'll
see if Lamar Jackson can save them. On the other side,
it is going to be difficult. All right, Let's go
to New Orleans where our friends at the Saints Block

(45:24):
Party podcast we're having their their big outing. They've been
undefeated previously, but could they challenge and defeat their biggest
challenge yet. Drake May bigs on the.

Speaker 8 (45:36):
Right side with Hooper snap this May stands and throws
on your side at the shut into.

Speaker 13 (45:43):
The end zone.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
A plot out of the play and it's a touchdown.

Speaker 5 (45:47):
He shine, we got a head shot?

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Yep, yeah, Hey.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Sean Booty selects playing cod Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Scott Dolax celebrate celebrating the headshot that the Patriots player
Kayshawn Booty made. Yes, Drake May down the field to
Kaishawn Booty twenty five to nineteen. The Patriots win. That
play was symbolic of a fantastic game by both May
and Booty. Booty pays for forty of his friends and

(46:20):
family members to attend this game. LSU guy, of course.
I mean we know his salary. That's a pretty big
chunk right there, having to pay for forty tickets those yeah,
do the math. That's that's a minimum like ten thousand
dollars five ten thousand dollars something like that to watch
him go five for ninety three and two key touchdowns.

(46:41):
Drake May as he's been all season money on plus
twenty yard throws. I think he was three for four
in this game for over one hundred yards and it
would have been five for six for over like two
hundred yards. But he had a long throw to Stephan
Diggs taken back by a penalty, and another long touchdown

(47:03):
to de Mario Douglas taken back by a weird phantom penalty.
None of it mattered. What mattered in the end was
kind of like the flip of the Packers Bengals game.
Patrick right when they needed to. The Patriots defense actually
got a few stops late in the game when the
Patriots offense slowed down, so it was very much like

(47:25):
an all offense game in the first half, and it
was three to three after halftime, but they found a
way to get a win over the hard luck one
in five Saints who have been in for these losses.

Speaker 9 (47:37):
To the last possession, yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Kaden Ellis, I believe, jumps on top of a fumble
that was forced on a pass from Spencer Ratler to
Juwan Johnson.

Speaker 9 (47:47):
Where Spallane Christian Ellis, yes, O.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Christian Ellis, excuse me, punches the ball away from Juwan Johnson,
who was red hot to start the season and just
really slowed down. They hurt the Saints comeback opportunity because
it was twenty five to nineteen there for quite a while.
The Saints just couldn't break that number, and that was
an opportunity there at their thirty six yard line where
they got up close to the fifty and turned the

(48:10):
ball over where It's another one of these games where
you're like, oh, Spencer Ratler played pretty well and the
Saints were in. You can't celebrate like almost all the time.
But it's it's true. The Saints are in these games.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah. I think every week someone gets mad at me
for saying that, but it's true. It is so true.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
It's the defense that's the problem, and their secondary was
a disaster in the first half. Jonah Sanker, Oh my dude. Yeah,
the rookie safety got confused a couple times. One of
the times he was bailed out by one of those
phantom calls. The officials were terrible in this game for
both sides, Like they they called back at that touchdown

(48:50):
in de Mario Douglas on a complete phantom opi on
the Patriots, and then in the two of the worst
makeup calls the next two plays like called complete phantom
calls on the Saints almost to make up for it,
and it just it just wasn't a great day for
the Zebras there. But I don't want that to be
the focus with Drake May. I just feel like they'll
always have a chance. He's so calm in the pocket

(49:14):
right now. What are you laughing at?

Speaker 2 (49:16):
I don't want that to be I'm just saying, like
it's immediately just there's nothing more boring than talking about bad, bad.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Calls, even if it was a bad call game. But May, Yeah, yeah,
like he's he's so calm in the pocket right now
that on one play he was stiff arming a guy
with his right hand and then threw it out of
bounds with his left hand, which to me is a
little old George Pickett. Yeah, that's like a little too
much like calm. But there were so many plays that

(49:48):
he bailed them out of penalty after penalty after penalty
or like terrible. Like they're one of the worst running
teams in the league, which is mostly offensive line issue,
and so they kept being in these long yarded situation
and I'm thinking about a fourth down to Diggs, a
third and nine to Mac to the sidelines. There was

(50:09):
one play where like they had three straight penalties, and
one of them was like a you know, on a
fifty yarder to Diggs and they and he kept having
to like make them right, and ultimately he did make
them right. Typical of that was the play to Booty
to ice the game.

Speaker 8 (50:27):
Three receivers to the right, Stevenson lives up behind the
right guard, step back to me a twist up front.
He stands and he throws a left back shorter caught
by body, want to throw? The connection is there again,
Drake baby, the sean booty well, the defender on his
back at a first down to England near midfield.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
In fact, from a Saints forty nine yard line. That's
a big time throw. Voice, that's a big time throw.

Speaker 7 (50:51):
Oh, start the fusses, pack the bags.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
You got a four to two football team heading home.

Speaker 15 (50:56):
Baby.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
They're heading home, baby with their quarterback greg who took
over two and a half seconds to throw sixty nine
percent of the time in this game, which I think
kind of skews those pressure numbers because the Saints, again,
who had a defense that struggled pressure. Drake May on
fifty eight percent of dropbacks, but I think a lot
of that is Drake May holding onto the ball to

(51:18):
hit home runs, and he hit him today.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Yeah, so many of the third downs, like they're six
or thirteen on third downs and hit another fourth and
long where like third and longs and yeah, he's holding
onto it because the Saints don't have much of a
pass rush.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Well, he's calm. That's why I think he's okay with
holding onto it. He's calm, and he knows that he
can buy a little bit time too if he absolutely
needs to. He can move around in the pocket, he
can move around outside of the pocket. I think he's
playing with that kind of confidence where normally you see
when a quarterback is really confident in getting in rhythm,
he'll get the ball out quick. He's done that too,
But this game is a little bit different because yes,

(51:51):
to your point, Patrick, Pa, there was there were dialing
up pressure. They were trying to get pressure on him.
You just never quite felt like he was despite what
the numbers say. You never quite felt like it was
too much for him and that he could hold the
ball and was holding the ball because he has sort
of that patient confidence some would call it. You know,
a lot of dip on his chip, but it's like
paying off for him. Like the tostitos does not break

(52:12):
in half in this case. In this case, you can scoop.

Speaker 9 (52:15):
It on up.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
His numbers are getting outrageous. I love that. I love
the way you just kept with that one.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
I want to go watch my face after.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Saying over ten yards per attempt in this game. Yeah,
his numbers are getting crazy. He is one of the
many people I saw journalist suggests, Hey, he should be
in the MVP. Conversation. They were just having a conversation.
Do you having a conversation?

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Do you know what I love? I've I've learned. I've
learned about this as one of my favorite discoveries this year.
Watching a Patriots game next to you, like you watching it.
I'm not really got one eye on and I'm not
really watching it, but you watching it, and then like
you're making noises. But then also you're there's a wave
of college football coaches that just get fired in the
middle of the second quarter of some of these earlier games,

(53:02):
and that's when you decide to send out some of
your spicier takes just about the game in general. The
Spencer Rattler, I'm not saying you said he should be
in the MVP. Conversation. You kind of did the adjacent take.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
I said, if he was a first or second round pick,
people would just talk about him like a franchise quarterback.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
But you wait for the news dump.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
You know you think I'm paying any attention. We are
very different. I don't give. I don't care about college
football coaches being fired on a Sunday.

Speaker 9 (53:25):
That is not my interest.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Just where can I get Craig just a little, just
under the caller?

Speaker 1 (53:29):
I mean, I'm not noticing. I have to admit I
am not a Twitter or a Blue Sky reader on Sundays.
I'm just I'm just a poster. Greg posting duck, Duck
posting duck. Speaking of ducking, you don't want to duck
this Panthers offense right now because it's one of the
best in the league.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
It's gonna be a thirty three yarder for the win
and a chance to get to five hundred. J. J.
Janssen the federable Champson to snap, Martin puts it down, Fitzgerald.

Speaker 16 (53:59):
Swings the the kick is good.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
The Panthers would it Ryan Fitzgerald.

Speaker 5 (54:06):
The game winning field goal.

Speaker 13 (54:08):
Carolina thirty, Dallas twenty seven, Sweet Carolina.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Indeed, oh any straw on wr f X, we got
jj Jansen NFL Daily z own yes into a highlight.
Fitzgerald hits the game winning kick thirty to twenty seven.
And you might have thought I was being a little
flip by calling the Panthers one of the best offenses

(54:34):
in the league. Well today and this is, according to
Shilkapadia at the Ringer, the second highest success rate of
any team in any game all season, and actually for
the entire season, they're up to fourth overall on offense.
They're getting it going on the ground consistently. Ric o'dowdle
goes over two hundred yards from scrimmage for a second

(54:55):
straight week and the Carolina Panthers are three and three.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Yeah, all the things I was about to say, whoo,
leave no Downell. Rico'dowdell had two hundred and thirty nine scrimmagejars,
including one hundred and eighty three yards rushing and then
a thirty six yard receiving touchdown that I know we
have sound forward that was just beautiful against his former
Dallas Cowboys team.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
Aids in the game, orbit motion again, shotgun snap bake
to Downell Young, backpedaling blush to his left pros down
field down a wide open ten.

Speaker 5 (55:27):
The touchdown rico'dodell buckle up.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Yes, I loved it. And as you can tell after
back to back two hundred plus yards rushing games by
the Panthers, who by the way through weeks four through six,
are second in the NFL in rushing success rate, which
is outstanding. They're also getting the fourth best yards before
contact in the NFL blocked for them, it's all clicking
the offensive line and the run game. You can tell

(55:55):
that it has settled down the entire offense. Bryce Young
threw the ball really well off of that foundation. He
was seventeen of twenty five for a one to ninety nine,
three touchdowns and an interception, but the interception wasn't really
on him, It bounced off of Teed McMillan's hands. Tet
McMillan made up for it in a big way with
his first and second career touchdowns. This you can tell

(56:16):
they're gonna start seeing more loaded boxes soon. They're not
seeing a ton of loaded boxes right now, but you
can absolutely tell that them establishing the run behind Rico Dawdle,
behind this really really solid offensive line, the way that
they're playing right now. This group is starting to form
a little bit of an identity, and it's settling the
quarterback when they start seeing these loaded boxes. It's time
for Bryce Young to repay the favor when they test

(56:38):
his arm a little bit more.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
And I've bemoaned them for upwards of over a year
on this Javonte Williams had twenty negative twenty seven rush
yards over expectation. As you're ever either, it's Rico o'
Dowdell's given those guys a whole bunch of rests on
the bench.

Speaker 5 (56:55):
I'll say, the Panthers fixed the run Gate run game.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
What did you ever say?

Speaker 5 (57:00):
What did he do?

Speaker 17 (57:00):
Like?

Speaker 3 (57:01):
This is the most intriguing thing on the planet to
me because Dallas could get nothing going through the air.
Mike Jackson never wants to see George Pickens again because
he gave him all kinds of fits. But other than that,
like this, this was a slog on the ground and
the Cowboys had to do everything through the air, and
Dak almost.

Speaker 5 (57:16):
Pulled it off.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
I continue to be impressed with Dak Prescott, But you
said it. This rush defense, which is historically bad, had
improved to like average ish until the last two weeks
and last two weeks they've been flat out good. And
that was the difference in this game that we mentioned
that was one of the best rushing performances by any

(57:37):
team all season by the Panthers. Meanwhile, the Cowboys had
an eleven percent success rate, which is just like horrendous,
one of the worst performances by any team on the
ground all season. And it happens against Carolina. Like even
though the scores high, you can't go too crazy that
they're like some shutdown defense that's complimentary football. And man,
that's a stinging loss for the Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Yeah, if they were going to have this defense was
going to have at least one problem happened to it.
The problem was George Pickens and Dak Prescott. Dak Prescott,
how had another excellent, excellent game that kind of goes
to waste here. George Pickens was nine for eleven for
one hundred and sixty eight yards and a touchdown and
on one anything could happen when this man has the ball. Okay,

(58:20):
on the touchdown, he blew the Carolina crowd a kiss.
On one of his long catches, he slowed down toward
the sideline just so he could throw a stiff arm
just for the heck of it. Didn't know what was
going to happen. Yeah, just exchange, exchanged the ball casually
in one hand, slows this pace down. Tries for the
stiff arm. But overall, you know, the run game for
the Cowboys was shockingly not there. Although the Panthers have

(58:43):
improved to about middle of the pack against the run
over the last couple of weeks, still not a strength
for them by any means. But it's interesting because when
this defense had to step up and make these big plays,
they forced, you know, a three and out. Dallas had
just forced its first three out of the game. The
Panthers defense, which was, as we know, so unbattled all season,

(59:04):
stepped up in return. Trayvon Meyrig made a huge stop
he's been playing.

Speaker 9 (59:09):
The last three or four weeks under first down.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
And then Bryce Young and the Panthers get the ball back.
They're driving. He hits Tommy Tremble down the left sideline
and that was when the Cowboys finally did load up
the box to try to stop Rico Dowdell. And then
he hits Hunter Renfro on an absolute dart of a
slant route that seals this game, sets up this game
winning field goal like it was. It was a ballsy

(59:33):
game by the Panthers, and I love that this turned
into a little bit of a shootout, just a little
bit of one, because these two offenses are fun to
watch for the most part now and I think they're
both improving. And for one or two of these teams
every week you wonder is it going to be a
wasted effort? Today it was for the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
I just like that these two teams are going to
be in the mix. We've got too many teams that
are looking a little doa after six weeks, then then
I would like we got eight or nine teams. The
Cowboys and the Panthers are turning into teams that are
that are entertaining. They're in the middle. We need some
teams in the middle. We don't just need the top
and the bottom. Let's take a break and talk about
one team that is really at the bottom on the

(01:00:13):
other side. But as we do, let's actually listen to
Rico Daddle answer a question from Charlotte Great Joe person.
We'll be back on the other side to talk London game.

Speaker 13 (01:00:26):
Rico, if your message last week play is buckle up
to the Cowboys, what's your message after the game?

Speaker 5 (01:00:33):
And one buckle up.

Speaker 18 (01:00:38):
On fourth and seven with the game on the line,
no timeouts remaining. One full team Tanna and Sutton the
New York Jets, Justin Fields, what do you have in
your local to go and win this game of football?

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Field stumps his foot takes it, two seems, two.

Speaker 16 (01:00:53):
Seves on the person, the trooper brings him down, sucks
on fourth down on the Denver prom coach somehow well
hate going out yet look the Jets will full to
Oh I'm six thirteen eleven with one O.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Nine left on the clock.

Speaker 16 (01:01:14):
Yet again the prom Coast defense getch it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Then, Oh, just because I'm not in the booth with
them doesn't mean we can't get Will Gavin of Toksport
into the show. Great call, fitting call, fitting play to
end a defensive struggle. To put it mildly, Justin Fields
takes nine sacks to go along with his nine completions,

(01:01:39):
and the Jets end up with negative ten passing yards
in a game that they were only a few yards
away from attempting a game winning field goal at the
end thirteen to eleven. Because yeah, the Broncos only had
twelve first downs in this game as well. Are you
taking this Patrick as a positive of the dominance of

(01:02:03):
the Broncos defense or as a negative for basically anything
else in this.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Well, I think you had been calling for this week
in nice consistent bon Knicks game didn't necessarily get it.
There were times where Sean Payton was taking the hand
the ball out of bon Nicks's hands, where like weird
third down reverses and the screens that were ultimately doomed.
I yeah, celebrate nine sacks, but there's calls for concern

(01:02:28):
because they almost did the thing we talked about on
the previews show. They almost beat the last unbeaten and
then turned around and lost to the team that had
no wins in the twenty twenty five season, where just
some weird stuff from the Jets at the end of
both halves ultimately given the Broncos a little bit of
a gift there in London.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Yeah, the end of the first half, especially Garrett Wilson
gets upset, and I was equally upset with how they
handled that. A ten play drive in which which they
somehow ran out of time at midfield, and then they
have a fourth down with about twenty something seconds to go,

(01:03:08):
and instead of just running a Hail Mary to give
their playmakers a chance to go make a play, they
can't get organized and the clock just runs out. Aaron
Glenn also took a time out in the second half,
taking too long to make a decision whether to go
for it on fourth down. And oh, by the way,
he didn't even go for it anyways. Just a guy

(01:03:30):
in Aaron Glenn who game management wise, seems to get
a little overwhelmed and freeze and on the field, justin fields.
I think was kind of his avatar, because I'm sure
there weren't many Jets receivers open, but he's just hoping
that they're open, and he's just standing there and he's
holding the ball forever Jordan, and he's taking sacks. Not
many of these sacks were quick pressure sacks.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
No and two point six yards per attempt in this game.
That's the lowest of any quarterback in any game so far.
To the point of this, it can always get worse, folks,
but it so far has not. Here in Week six
of the NFL season, He's also the owner of the
second worst EPA per dropback game this season and the
third after today.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
I mean negative ten yards passing. I was wondering.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
I was like, it was worse in Buffalo. This was
the third worst today.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
I was like, that can't happen too often. It has
not happened since Ryan Leaf's third career start. That is
the worst overall passing performance just by yardage in thirty
seven years.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
He's the first quarterback that was sacked at nine or
more times with nine or fewer completions since he'd beard
record in twenty twenty one when he was sacked nine
times against the Browns and he only had six completions.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
It is an awesome defense when they're playing overwhelmed quarterbacks.
And I know that's that's not trying to damn with
faint praise. There's only been four games all season this
was Chiocupadi again, where a team's had under ten first downs.
The Broncos defense has cost three of those games. And
if you go back to last year, they built up
those crazy numbers absolutely destroying substandard quarterbacks and passing. So

(01:05:05):
if you are a bottom ten passing game, the Broncos
defense will just win the game for you. Bonext doesn't
have to do anything. I didn't even think he played
that poorly today relatively. Their running game was terrible. There
was just some weird play call.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Yeah, one one hundred yards rusher game from Sean Payton,
and now nothing else, please, no, no more.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
I just felt like, I don't know if I'm a
Broncos fan. It just feels like a surviving, advanced type
of game, kind of like the Rams win.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
It was a kind of a rock fight, except not
like an interesting one. It was interesting in the in
the sense that you wonder, like these mistakes that seem
to compound for the Jets, they're happening with situational management too.
And I want to point out, like listen, I am,
I am one hundred percent on the team of give
a coach a chance to develop as a coach, just
like the rest of the team is getting, you know,

(01:05:53):
give them a chance to develop as a team, find
an identity, all of these things. Aaron Glenn is known
for his development of players, of culture, of scheme, and
when his hands are on the scheme, but he's not
calling the game. Steve Wilks's on defense, tanner Ingstrand is
on offense, and he's not making good situational decisions and

(01:06:15):
all of that combined is a problem because it's almost like,
I wonder perhaps if his hand is in too many fires,
hands are in too many fires in behind closed doors
when he's trying to develop all these different phases at
once of this team, and now some of the things
are falling short, such as the situational management, which coaches
often give up play calling. Coaches who are flailing give

(01:06:37):
up play calling in order to better situationally manage games.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
Broncos fans were saying Sean Paige should do that, which
is crazy today because he had some strange game like
that's those third and long calls were frustration calls, like
I'm sick of watching this. I'm just going to give
up on this drive at this point. That's what they
felt like, Yeah, and he will do that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
He'll occasionally do that, and this was a game where
it goes Straw can afford to kind of have those
rage calls where it's like, all right, well, Franklin did
have a fumble on a on a drive where the
Broncos ultimately could have scored.

Speaker 5 (01:07:10):
The Jets got one of those turnovers.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
They just couldn't take advantage of any opportunities that the
Broncos provided them. So, yeah, you get your rage calls
out coach Peyton, because what.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Do you think it sounds like you're.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
It's probably something like, ex Jet, throw the ball or
just like just get these off the field.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Uh. So they had seven drives in the second half
the Broncos or six drives rather, and only gained a
first down on one of them. I mean that's they
actually looked totally normal in the first half. I would
say it was like normal but not exciting. And they
had that fumble and after that the Jets defense played well.
This game was not indicative of how this Jets season

(01:07:53):
has gone. Where their running game has been great today
it's stunk. Their defense has been the maybe bottom three
in the league. They played well today against Denver, and
the passing game has at least had spurts in. The
passing game was got awful, but that's what happens to
bad teams. They just find a way to lose.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
That's to Will Gavin for making it sound like an.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Exciting say it was at that moment, it was. I
mean it the whole.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
I mean, I'm not saying I have links that allow
me to listen to certain things. Oh he made the
game sound great the entire time. Shout out to.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Will Gavin, he is the best thing. And to everyone
else in the UK, we apologize. Jaguars rams will be
much better next week. You know what else is better?
Get Nick Shook on the show. Yeah, Jones out of
the gun, changing the play at the line of scrimmage.
Now he's gonna dip under center. Jones pitches the left

(01:08:46):
side that Jonathan Taylor cuts up the touch down.

Speaker 8 (01:08:50):
Touchdown indeed for Chonathan Taylor and the Colts indeed retook
the lead.

Speaker 4 (01:08:57):
Thirty took twenty seven thirty two remaining in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Colts win thirty one to twenty seven. They get two
fourth quarter touchdowns to come back on the Cardinals in
a back and forth, fun football game that was worthy
of having the man Nick Shook cover it. The Colts
Shook have one games, I think in different types of ways,

(01:09:24):
and I thought it was cool to see them win
a game like this where it looked like they were
gonna let go of it against a bunch of backups.
Frankly for the Cardinals with Jacoby Brissett at quarterback, Yeah, it.

Speaker 15 (01:09:34):
Was an interesting day for them because they jump out
to an early lead, and then the Cardinals come storming
back and then it's just blow for blow, kind of
like a heavyweight fight between the Colts, who are a
good team at least in terms of record, and the Cardinals,
who are not a great team in terms of record.
It was a fun example of how oftentime, week to week,
we don't really know what's going to happen in an
NFL game. One team can come out and be way
stronger than you anticipate, and the other one can kind

(01:09:55):
of still be themselves but find it to be a
little bit challenging. But the one consistent theme with the
Colts this year has been Jonathan Taylor, and he goes
for twenty one for one to twenty three in a touchdown.

Speaker 17 (01:10:03):
Today.

Speaker 15 (01:10:03):
Daniel Jones, pretty sharp throughout most of the afternoon, runs
a touchdown in also throws a pick to Mac Wilson,
which was like an incredibly athletic pick that didn't matter
because the Colts got it right back defensively like two
plays later, maybe even the next play later in their
own red zone. So very much a fun back and
forth game with the consistency of Jonathan Taylor in an
offensive line that continues to perform above our expectation, and

(01:10:25):
the Colts Man five and one, they keep on rolling.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
I want to point out the bizarre injuries that happened
before this game and the more normal injuries that happened
during it before throwing it back to you, Shook. Anthony
Richardson suffered an orbital fracture before the game using one
of those resistance bands and had to go to the hospital.
That sounds horrifying. So Riley Leonard ends up being the

(01:10:50):
backup quarterback for this game. Our various Awards suffered a
concussion after getting run into I think it was by
a wide receiver, was a tight and you know, during
warm ups and then he's suddenly out. Just completely bizarre.
And then during the game, the Cardinals, who were already
short Kyler Murray of course, and they're running backs and

(01:11:12):
Kelvin Beacham also lose Amari de Marcado. They're running back,
they've been down a couple tight ends and then they
lose Marvin Harrison Junior in this game, and yet Shook,
they put up twenty five first down. So before I
put on you know, game pass tonight, like what how
did the Cardinals offense get four hundred yards going against

(01:11:35):
this Colts team and make this such a good game.

Speaker 15 (01:11:37):
It should warm your heart for me to tell you
that Jacoby Brissett was the reason Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:11:42):
Settled down this offense.

Speaker 15 (01:11:44):
He gave them the consistency that they've lacked for most
of this season. They also went nine of fourteen on
third down. At one point he was nine of twelve. Like,
they were great in clutching moments because of Brissett, who
was just a bit of a point guard passer. He
scrambled like once or twice when he needed to one
time to get a first down. Drew like a call
from the broadcast crewer. They were like, he's not Kyler Murray,
but he can run. It looks a lot different, but

(01:12:04):
it worked out really well for them. That and a
dependence on Trey McBride, especially in the red zone. They
threw a touchdown pass to him early. It was after
one was kind of wiped away. I thought that he
was already in the end zone. They ruled of the
forward progress so stopped inside the one. The next play
they run a bootleg and throw it right to Trey
for a touchdown. Justice is served. That's why they were strong.
Their strength is kind of statistically doesn't back it up

(01:12:25):
with the Cardinals, but their defense has been stronger than
their offense this year. This time around, because Brissette was
in and was commanding this offense like a seasoned, weathered
ship captain guiding them into the storm, they were able
to be a better offensive unit and go toe to
toe with the Colts.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
Jake Briskett aka Drew Petsing's favorite backup who's played in
this system before, who came in and was going rev
for rep in practice in training camp with Kyler Murray
and was so confident and what absolutely fits what this
system is now locally, and it is so fair to

(01:13:05):
be upset locally. And I think they are about the
way that some of this offense is going, and I
think they should be in parts of it, because it's
it's Kyler Murray and an erratic connection with Marvin Harrison Junior.
And it's the ball is not going enough to Marvin
Harrison Junior, and it's the Cardinals are terrible at running
the ball in terms of success rate, even before James
Connor and Trey Benson suffered the injuries. But this at

(01:13:29):
its heart, and I keep saying this, and I know
I sound so hideously annoying at this point, but this
offense is built to run through the tight end, come
hell or high water, no matter whatever else is happening,
and taking shot plays down the field, every smattering of
it every so once in a while to a X receiver,

(01:13:50):
a speed receiver, a gadget receiver, anyone you want to
throw in there. And that is what's happening. At the
end of the game. You see this plan in action.
Jacoby were said to Mike Wilson, contest to catch thirty
yards and then they go for the touchdown again to
Trey McBride, who doesn't get it. That's happening all game.
This is what Drew Petson wants to do on offense.
Like it or not, I don't have an opinion, like

(01:14:13):
it or not. This is part of the reason he
brings this guy in is to be a perfect match
for what he specifically wants to be doing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
They tried to get McBride involved on the last play
of the game, and you have a chance to go
take the lead, and I think if percent puts the
ball on, yeah, Trey McBride, maybe they call a pass interference.
But it was such a rocket that no one had
a chance to catch it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
Maybe they didn't, and ultimately the trajectory of the ball
changed how Trey McBride pursued it as well, because I
think if he jumped or lunged earlier while he was
being grabbed, yeah, it might have looked more like a
call that the official could mance sell it true instead,
like he's fighting through the contact when he actually is
being held, and then after he sees where the ball is,
he's like, oh no, that ball's not on me. Fake

(01:14:55):
lunch for it, and the stripes.

Speaker 5 (01:14:58):
Weren't buying it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
Yeah, they he fall to two and four, and just
reading between the lines from the National Insiders this morning,
Kyler Murray could be out one more week. They have
a bye after that, they have the Packers. Man, that
Titans loss really hurts now, because this would just feel different.
At three and three, you could feel like you could
take that one more loss before the bye, But two

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and five it would be a long way to come
back from for the Cardinals. But good on the call
to you know, focus on Tyler Warren. Early in the game,
Josh Downs has a big time touchdown. They just spread
it around rolling they get it done. Let's go to
Pittsburgh where, yeah, the Steelers.

Speaker 9 (01:15:35):
Are feeling pretty good in that division.

Speaker 12 (01:15:38):
Feel stop in an h back position there now, he'll
motion back to the right. Rogers gets a snap play
action pass, rolling to his right, looking downfield, looking.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Goes back across his body. Get talk in the end zone.
What a grab.

Speaker 13 (01:15:50):
Mike counter Hayward back with inficent throw by Rogers and
Hayward with his first touchdown of the season.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Put that on the throw year nominated.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
That's a vintage throw right there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
I've been tough on Rogers, but his best throws this year,
if you just take the highlight reel of his ten
best throws, they look pretty sweet. Steelers win twenty three
to nine. Nick. That was Rob King on w dv E,
Max Starks helping him out. Very similar to I think

(01:16:24):
how the Steelers would draw it up, even if Aaron
Rodgers would probably love to, like have better numbers. Overall,
this is Steelers football right now.

Speaker 15 (01:16:33):
Yeah, And when you run this one back on NFL Plus,
what you're gonna find is a lot of nothing in
the first half, some minor successes, a great first play
goals to Jarnell Washington. Everything ends up grinding to a
halt and a lot of Chris Boswell field goals. But
in the third quarter, in early fourth quarter, you're gonna
find vintage Aaron Rodgers making throws just like that. That
completion to Connor Heyward made me audibly shout wow. And

(01:16:57):
nobody's home, so it doesn't matter. But for me, I
was shocked by the fact that you're freaking I know, yes, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:17:04):
Who knows? You might have been shirtless? Who knows, but
it was. It was a heck of a performance.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Did you just go third person talking about how you
were watching the games shirtless?

Speaker 5 (01:17:16):
But I wasn't.

Speaker 9 (01:17:17):
I wasn't, don't.

Speaker 5 (01:17:19):
Why didn't you add in this non existent detail that
you said that because.

Speaker 15 (01:17:26):
I was totally let my freak flag fly Aaron Rodgers
won his freak flag fly about eight minutes in this game.

Speaker 7 (01:17:31):
I'm bringing it back. I'm getting back on track here.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
It's okay. Greg's been explaining my jokes a lot recently.

Speaker 9 (01:17:36):
I just was trying to help out the female and male.

Speaker 5 (01:17:39):
Ye don't limit.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
I want to listen to Miles Garrett talk about Aaron
Rodgers and this game plan because it sounded very similar
to the game plan that they had overseas.

Speaker 17 (01:17:55):
Stop us at the D line front. Uh, you know,
they've gotten chunk for me. They chipped got he got
the ball out no, as quick as possible, And there
weren't a lot of situations which even if I was
running but no, I could have got there. So I
think that was a situation for all of us, you know,
the way he was getting out or springing it out

(01:18:16):
to the other side. No, he moved now behind the
line of scrimmage more than he has in the last
couple of years, and that wouldn't buy you know, mistake.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Ah, So we have a theme for this segment.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
I see no clothing, Darkford, David and Joka, who might
be getting towards the end of his Browns tenure. Here
another man who doesn't like to wear a shirt too much.
It just seems like like the book is out shook
a little bit on how to at least slow down
this great Browns defense.

Speaker 15 (01:18:46):
Yeah, I mean it's a theme pretty much every one
of their games, say, for maybe Baltimore Fallows the same track,
which is first half feel out period. Brown's defense is
going to limit you to field goals or just stop
you out right. It's going to keep the offense in
the game. The offense is going to do then you're
gonna get to the second half. The defense is gonna
wear down. The opposing offense is going to take half
time to figure out how to attack this defense. They're

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going to find success and it's up to the Browns
offense to match it. And that's the same team that
hasn't scored more than seventeen points all year, So guess what,
They're not gonna match it.

Speaker 7 (01:19:13):
So yeah, it is. It's it's definitely a theme.

Speaker 15 (01:19:16):
It's not encouraging because I don't think the Browns have
another route to go down this season to try to
find success save for another quarterback change.

Speaker 9 (01:19:24):
Well that'll happen at some point, don't you think.

Speaker 7 (01:19:26):
Yeah, it will, it will.

Speaker 15 (01:19:27):
I mean, Dylan Gabriel, he's fine, but he's like he's
Gardner minshew. That's who he is at best, and you
need more than that unless you're in an emergency situation
like the Colts were a couple of years ago. So
that But I don't want to take any cred away
from Steelers because they played with their hair on fire.

Speaker 7 (01:19:40):
Dictly, they played with more emotion. They were also very sloppy.

Speaker 15 (01:19:43):
Which is unlike them. They had ten accepted penalties against them.
They entered the game with the least amount of penalties
on average per game, so something to clean up there.
But they played with a renewed sense of passion energy
like they really believe this is our division.

Speaker 7 (01:19:54):
We're gonna go take it in a division game.

Speaker 5 (01:19:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
Dj Watt had seven pressures and he didn't even have
the most pressures on the team. Nick Herban had eight
as well as two sacks, where like Dylan Gabriel in
the Browns offense didn't have necessarily a great game. I
don't know how much opportunity Dylan Gabriel had as a
quarterback that traditionally like that's his his ability. That where
he excels relative to other quarterbacks is getting rid of

(01:20:19):
the ball quickly. Has that crafty left handed nature that
lefties tend to have where they're just able to, you know,
achieve where some of us can't, Like, how'd you do
that left handed?

Speaker 5 (01:20:29):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
You know, like most sports, you'll try to contest a
left quarterback. It doesn't seem to help enough.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
It doesn't help. In podcasting, I could tell you.

Speaker 7 (01:20:37):
It does.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
It does help in podcasting as well, but yeah, the
opportunity is very limited for Gabriel today.

Speaker 5 (01:20:43):
It's just yeah, I mean, if you make a change,
what's the point. But I said that about Joe Flacko.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
So look, he's had brutal, brutal situations and checking the
quick pressures to in this game, like Nick Herberg had
five quick pressure I had three.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
So you have to against against a scheme like this
that's trying to mitigate pressure quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
Right, like you just have no like no one else
in the NFL had that many quick pressures today. So
he's had a brutal start. And we say we don't
know much about the NFL and what these teams are,
and I think that could even be true about the
Steelers in some way. But I think we do know
something for the Steelers after six weeks, they should win
the AFC North Like they may not, but they should that.

(01:21:22):
You know, the next closest team is led by Joe
Flacco and it's the Bengals, and then the next closest
team has four more losses than them. That's a big
comeback to try to make. For the Baltimore Ravens, they
should have a home game in the playoffs this year.
We'll see if they get there and with it in
the end. Yes, we still have a long time to
go until we get there. All right, two teams that

(01:21:45):
probably won't be playing home games in the playoff this year,
Let's go to Las Vegas. Tucker left shotguns, Smit's gonna
throw please pocket stance, stance, scance throws.

Speaker 13 (01:21:55):
Michael Marith a Gofeitars touchdown Raiders Jano look on field,
heavy full Michael fir.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
Oh, yeah, Gino's back, so it's Jason Horowitz KRLB twenty
to ten. Dynamite performance from Gino Smith. Don't actually watch
the tape to see if that's true. He was fine
in the end. It was not great for most of it,
but the Raiders defense was more than game. And I
will start negative on this one, Shook. I do think

(01:22:26):
this was the game where the cam Ward Titans offense
just went from like man, cam Ward's fun at least
to just man, this is depressing.

Speaker 12 (01:22:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:22:36):
They couldn't protect him, he couldn't get comfortable. You saw
the lack of talent around him, and you saw his
lack of experience. There were instances in which he was
holding onto the ball too long and it ended up
going nowhere instances in which they had decent field position
or opportunity and did absolutely nothing with it.

Speaker 7 (01:22:50):
And they also turned the ball over, you know, three times.

Speaker 15 (01:22:53):
He threw a pick, and he lost two fumbles, including
one with the game essentially out of reach.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
It was a really really to one that he just
dropped right. It's yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:23:01):
He went to go throw it and just slipped right
out of his hand in the face of pressure. It
was a really, really tough watch.

Speaker 15 (01:23:05):
It was just like, you, Tay Calvin really really had
this offense, which they did today, and he has nowhere
to go, Like he's trying to hit Iomanner, He's trying to,
you know, find Van Jefferson. Tyler Lockett is all but
non existent in this offense, and they can't protect him.
More than anything, their investment in the offensive line has
not paid off at all, and.

Speaker 7 (01:23:21):
It's just a bad overall unit.

Speaker 15 (01:23:23):
So yeah, I don't want to start negative, but it's true,
like the Titans are a tough watch. This was probably
their worst game of the year and the perfect time
for the Raiders. Losers of four Straights losers by thirty
four points in Indianapolis to get back on the winning track.
A get right game comes at just the right time
for the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Yeah, they really needed it because there's reports coming out
of Las Vegas all week. This week Pete Carroll like
not so subtly calling out Chip Kelly, he took a
leaf out of Patrick's very Sutton, very not so subtle
of the last couple of weeks of brock Bauers. Still
struggling dealing with the injuries. US out today and he

(01:24:01):
was out today, and just tough times. It felt like
even on that Geno touchdown, the play by play was
a little past progressive scan scan scan scan, scan, scan,
scan all over the field before getting to the touchdown.
They needed this in Las Vegas. And I don't know
that it fixes pretty much anything, but man, winning is

(01:24:21):
a little bit better feeling right now than some of
the bad vibes that were coming out of there all week.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
Yeah, and they got a great defensive place, especially from
Devin White, who had a just an absolute whiff up
front on the protection by the Tennessee Titans where cam
Ward got blasted.

Speaker 5 (01:24:37):
The ball came out there.

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
He picked off cam Ward on a play late later
as we got into this game, I literally I wondered
on air on Game Day Live today, are the Titans
going to do this two weeks in a row? Did
not separate but cam Ward ultimately we saw it from
Jackson Dart as well. Sometimes the ball just fly eyes

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out of your hands inexplicably, and that's what happened when
the game wasn't necessarily out of the course like some
weird stuff gonna happen. And the Times could have done
two in.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
A row right because Gino through they were up seventeen
to three, and the whole game plan seemed to be
around not letting Gino make a killer interception like he
has the last few weeks. He did not attempt to
pass that went over ten air yards until the fourth quarter,
and then he hit a couple. But then he also
got a little panicked on a third down and thought,

(01:25:28):
Michael Mayer, I believe it was it was going to
stop on a route and threw an interception up seventeen three.
Otherwise he only had six interceptions, and like the numbers
are all six incompletions rather six incompletions, and the numbers
like looked pretty good, but it almost looked like they
were afraid of what Gino was gonna do. And in theory,
there are only a blocked field goal away from being

(01:25:50):
three and three, but they do feel like they're a
deserved two and four here shooky.

Speaker 7 (01:25:55):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:25:55):
This record I think accurately represents the stage of this
team right now. By the way, geno average area ards
per attempt today two point seven is des in the
game since Week nine of twenty twenty two almost. I
do give them some credit fields number. I know, I know,
let's not go there. I do give them some credit though,
because that touchdown to Michael Maher. They did that a
few times, and I think that it's going to be
an important part of how they operate their offerens going forward,

(01:26:16):
because their offensive line is not great. We know how
often Ashton Gent's getting hit behind the line of scrimmage,
but they are bootlegging a lot, a lot of play action,
buying Geno some time. And what they're doing is they're
using Mayor as a blocker, just a chip and release type,
and he finds a soft spot in the zone, gets open,
and Gino went to him a couple times, including on
that touchdown pass. I think that's going to be vital
to him because, as we know, Gina likes to push

(01:26:37):
the ball, and if their receivers are not getting separation,
he's got to stop pushing the ball and find somebody underneath.
So two point seven eight yards per attempt is not exciting,
but it might be what we see more from the.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
Raiders going for little Trey Tucker down the field at
least late in the game. They get a home win,
first of the year for them at home, and yes,
the Titans fall to one in five. I thought it
was interesting after the game. Jeff Free Simmons, who's been
incredible this year, said he thought they had their worst
week of practice all year. Usually hear they, oh, we
had a good week of practice, and he thought they

(01:27:08):
came out flat and not sure if he said unprepared.
I think he just said flat on Thursday, that there
was like no energy in the facility during the week,
which could be a passive aggressive conversation about the coaching staff.

Speaker 9 (01:27:22):
I don't really know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Depends was it a player's only lead energy feeling or
was it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
A let's sell what you want to hear coming off
like your one miracle win of the year. Yeah, the
Cardinals had dope as hell vibes.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
Yeah, and Jonathan Gannon and them came out and competed. Meanwhile,
you know, teams are losing and the meeting structure is bad,
there's bad vibes. It turns out winning is good unless
you're in Arizona where the vibes are doping.

Speaker 9 (01:27:45):
We'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
But our friend Justin Graver, who does a great job
with his podcasts of the Titans and of course as
the producer of He the Call I remember a couple
of weeks ago on his podcast Music City Audibles, they
were back to back show titles that were called why
is Brian Callahan still the Titans enid code? Followed by
is this the worst Titans team in franchise history? I

(01:28:07):
think both of those titles would work again this week.
I hate to wrap up Patrick and Jordan's section of
the show on such a down note, but it was
a joy to yes, well, I mean on talking about
what it's like to be a Titans fan, right.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
I have a positive note yes earlier because I was
taken aback by the idea that odafe Oway could somehow
compare to Khalil Mack. He had one fewer pressure than
the entire Baltimore Ravens team. Let's go so congratulates.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
I'm glad you pointed that out. He did lead the
team in pressures today and the team being the Los
Angeles Chargers.

Speaker 9 (01:28:42):
How about how about picking him up? Speaking of if
you will.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
Go ahead, you go, I was gonna say, and may
as we Patrick and I leave, May we attack the
rest of our night like George stiff arm on the sideline, you.

Speaker 14 (01:28:55):
Know, please yeah to Sunday night with the three line,
the checko motion left Mahomes in the pocket, darts in
your side, cut touchdown, chance o city, Holly walk Brown
is having a night.

Speaker 16 (01:29:09):
And the Chiefs answer a touchdown with a touchdown to
go up twenty six to seventeen in the game.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
Oh that is Mitch Holtis on k f n Z Hollywood.
Brown's having a night. Patrick Mahomes was having a night.
It felt like a throwback night because the Chiefs offense
has been having night after night after night last few weeks.
Thirty to seventeen. Chiefs win going away against the Detroit Lions.

(01:29:40):
They are three and three, Nick shook, and yet it
feels like they are scarier than they've been in a
few years on offense, at least one of which they
won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 15 (01:29:51):
Yeah, let's bury the concerns about the Chiefs once and
for all, folks. So I know that we talked about
their their close loss recently and we were like, but
it actually fel good even though they lost the game. Well,
we're seeing it bearing out in this game right here
against the Lions. We knew that the Chiefs were probably
going to have a bit of an advantage against that
Lions defense. But to see them work at the efficient

(01:30:11):
rate that they did, to see Mahomes continue to improvise,
and to see him lean on Travis Kelsey, especially getting
him going early and then all the way through the
rest of the game and distribute the football. It was
classic Chiefs And the craziest part about it all to
me was the way that they ended the game by
doing what the Lions usually do best, which is run
the ball with authority to get those first downs.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
I thought you were going to say, fight with no
I mean, yeah, So the game ends with Patrick Mahomes
trying to shake the hand of Brian Branch. Now, Patrick
Mahomes is this sharp, guys, Is there an outside chance
he knows how salty Brian Branch is in general, and
it's a little passive aggressive with him there. I don't know.

(01:30:52):
I don't know if he's that next level.

Speaker 9 (01:30:53):
Probably not.

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
Brian Banch just passes his hand, which is fine. Juju
Smith doesn't appreciate it, probably says something, and then Brian
Branch puts his hands on Juju's face. Juju maybe exaggeratingly,
goes to the ground and a fracas ensues, and then
I love football because a minute later both teams are

(01:31:16):
just dapping each other up. Wouldn't be surprised though, if
Brian Branch gets punished and might even be more than
a fine. You just never know. No need to focus
on that when you're talking about Kelsey and this Chief's offense. Yeah,
he goes six for seventy eight tonight, and I thought
the pass interference that he drew late in the first

(01:31:36):
half to extend a Chiefs drive what was really massive
on a play where he's going down the sideline. And
I think it pointed out all the mismatches tonight that
the Chiefs had Lions missing their two starting cornerbacks and
they will be back later in this season. But ultimately
the Chiefs now have an offense, and I mentioned they
haven't looked this good in three years. This is the

(01:31:58):
most they've scored in a three game stretch since twenty
twenty two. And it was without their starting left tackle
Josh Simmons. But Jalen Moore, the highest paid, you know,
backup in the league, comes in. He plays well enough
against Aiden Hutchinson and the Lions. And yeah, they had
seven drives before that last one shook, and they reached

(01:32:19):
the red zone on six of them. I mean, that
is about as dominant an offensive performance as you could have.
And they left it so that the Lions basically couldn't
make any mistakes, and they made a couple of mistakes
on offense on a night where their defense just couldn't
get stops.

Speaker 15 (01:32:34):
Yeah, there was a stretch in the third quarter that
was most concerning to me about It's just something that
you don't see the Lions do where they went on
a decently It was like a seven play drive right
and they started their own twenty six. They handed off
a couple of times. They get a short pass over
the middle of the Amanos Saint Brown. They get a
first down in the pass to Jamison Williams, and then
the next three plays they kind of fall apart and
there's a handoff to Jamior Gibbs for a game of two.

(01:32:55):
Then there's a swing pass to the left that gets
absolutely blown up, and then there's a swing pass to
the right that goes for one yard and they punch.

Speaker 7 (01:33:02):
And in that sequence, I thought.

Speaker 15 (01:33:04):
Are the Lions like out of answers for the first
time offensively, because usually they are such a well oiled machine.
They're in a great rhythm. The Chiefs got them out
of the rhythm. And the crazy part about that. The
strange thing is is they did it while only pressuring
them nine times twenty nine percent of the night. So
the usual strategy to beat the Lions is get Jared
Goff off a spot. He didn't really get off a
spot until late in this game when things got desperate.

(01:33:25):
It's just that, I don't know. I felt like the
pressure of trying to keep up with the Chiefs, which
is what they used to be in the.

Speaker 7 (01:33:31):
Tyreek Hill era. Yes, kinda got to the Lions tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
Yeah, a little bit. And look, they had a touchdown
on the first drive of the game. When the Lions
look good on offense, they just look like the best
team in the NFL. In that first drive, everything is working.
Then they go for it on fourth down on the
goal line. They throw the ball on a trick played
from David Montgomery to Jared Goff. After a long discussion
way after the play, they call the flag and call

(01:33:57):
in the legal formation. So that's seven turns into three.
And then later in the night they have a fourth
down Aman Ross Saint Brown drops it and I don't
know if that's pressure, but it was the need to
feel like you had to play perfect because until the
end of the game I was thinking, I was like,
how much better could Jared Goff play? He played almost
a perfect game. He had a lot of dimes in

(01:34:19):
this game. The touchdown to Jamison Williams was fantastic. The
touchdown catch by Sam Laporta was absolutely incredible, Like Jamiir
Gibbs was running to the outside early in this game. Like,
for the most part, they did well, but you had
to be perfect because the Chiefs offense was nearly perfect,
and you mentioned it to end the game with Pacheco.

Speaker 9 (01:34:40):
They did a lot more under center runs tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
And finally I look at the box score, Shookie and
the leading rusher for the Chiefs is not Patrick Mahomes.
We shouldn't be throwing a parade for twelve for fifty
one from Pachecko, but just having like a respectable running
game and Kareem Hunt had a couple successful runs too.
It was it's just an average running game. Was such
an upgrade for them. That's all they really need, and

(01:35:04):
they had it tonight.

Speaker 15 (01:35:05):
Yeah, a couple of anger runs at the end to
finish the game, which I think is important because too
often we look at this team as well, Mahomes is
going to have to do everything and he'll distribute the ball,
but he's gonna have to run, and like you said,
he was leading them and rushing. So it was nice
to get contributions from both Pacheco and Hunt late in
the game and prior to that in key moments. But
there was also it was interesting because I don't think
the final score necessarily gives us the full picture of

(01:35:28):
how close this game really was.

Speaker 7 (01:35:29):
It's just that the Lions, they didn't run out of steam.

Speaker 15 (01:35:31):
They just couldn't get past what suddenly became an insurmountable
advantage in the part of the Chiefs in the fourth quarter.
But like there's a sequence earlier in this game where
they each turn it over on downs, they each go
foard on fourth down, they each having complete passes, where
I'm like, this is I mean, these are two fairly
evenly matched teams. I would love to see now. Granted
Josh Simmons wasn't out there, so that's you know, one
one feather in the cap of the Chiefs. I would

(01:35:52):
love to see them play again at some point.

Speaker 7 (01:35:54):
Possibly the super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
Well that's the only time.

Speaker 15 (01:35:58):
Both the quarners, they get both their corners back and
see if that evens things out a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:36:02):
I think it could happen. So it's not just the
two corners. And Kirby Joseph left this game then but
then went back in. It's Alee McNeil was is still out.
He started to practice for this Lions team. And the
Lions have talked about, you know how they're going to
get some of their injured players back, unlike a year
ago when they did not. On the Chiefs, on the

(01:36:24):
other hand, get Rashi Rice back. They survived this early
portion of the schedule at three and three, and I
know they got some tough games coming up, but they
have to feel great about where they're at. And they
told Chris Collinsworth during the week in Mike Tarico that
they feel better about this team at two and three

(01:36:45):
than they did, you know, last year for most of
the year, despite other wins. And I get it because
at the at their heart, they're an offensive team. Nick
they don't want to be winning the way that they
won a year ago. They're incredibly healthy. They literally did
not have an injury designation this week. Josh Simmons missed
the game for personal reasons, so they're as healthy as

(01:37:05):
any team in the NFL right now. Chris Jones, the
one big weakness that they've had this year is Chris
Jones doesn't looked like Chris Jones until tonight. Three quick pressures.
Got a hit on Jared Goff on the key third
down late in the game, was very active in terms
of beating the Lions guards throughout the game. I get it.
If I was a Chiefs fans, I would feel better

(01:37:27):
about this team right now, especially in an AFC where
Lamar's team is one and five, Joe Burrow is done
and dusted, and you know, it seems wide open. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:37:36):
And the weird thing too, is like as I'm running
through this in my head right now.

Speaker 15 (01:37:39):
I'm thinking, yeah, you want to be an offensive team
because that's your identity with Andy Reidis or coach and
your background since he's taken over. But I think about
when they beat the forty nine ers in the Super
Bowl two years ago, and I was a defensive team,
And then I think back to Week one and how
we haven't released we didn't see that wasn't the same
Chiefs defense. But then you consider tonight and you're like,
the defense kind of put that game away for you

(01:37:59):
in the fourth quarter. Yeah, So I'm come all the
way back around to ask you, Greg, is the chief
defense like competence slash better or are we.

Speaker 7 (01:38:06):
Still masked by the fact that they can move the
ball so well.

Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
I don't think their pass rush is great, but every
team has some sort of weakness. Like you mentioned, their
pass rush tonight wasn't amazing. They had to blitz a
lot to get it. But they're a team that's better
when they're ahead with Steve Spagnolo. Compare that, by the way,
to the Lions, whose pressure right tonight was seventeen point
nine percent. They you know, they have nothing other than
aiden Hutchinson in terms of their pass rush, and you

(01:38:31):
give Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid a great offensive line
and you have a chance to win the Super Bowl. Okay,
they made a big statement today. We made a big statement, Shook.
We served this beautiful Week six, I think, with glory,
with respect, and with a lot of fun. For the
first time since Sam Darnold was the quarterback of the

(01:38:55):
Carolina Panthers four years ago, the Carolina Pans. There's our
five hundred in the middle of a mind NFL season.
I just wanted to say that one final time, anything
is possible in this season, and anything is possible tomorrow night,
when we will be recapping Monday Night football. We got
a doubleheader, Shook, So let's go. I would say get

(01:39:18):
some sleep, but let's go watch some games and feel
as ready as we're going to need to be for
that game. Buffalo Atlanta Chicago Washington should be a fun one.
We are going live on YouTube after both of those
Monday night games finish. It's me and Shook. I can't
wait Week six. It's a live

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