October 7, 2025 • 42 mins
Gregg Rosenthal and Nick Shook recap the Week 5 Monday Night Football action between the Kansas City Chiefs and Jacksonville Jaguars. Trevor Lawrence wins the game on some late game heroics! The Jaguars defense made incredibly timely plays, including a 99-yard interception returned for a touchdown by Devin Lloyd. In the end, the Jags move to 4-1, while Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs are 2-3 and will host the Detroit Lions in Week 6.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
One yard line, Trevor underfenter, how you flip three? Fell down?
Tremor fell down on the play. Don't you gonna turn
run in?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Got down? Touch down, He got up, pick got under
them done. They gonna kay Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
The messiest, most fun touchdown from the messiest, most fun team.
That was Trevor Lawrence winning in the way that only
Trevor Lawrence and this Jaguars team can win, thirty one
to twenty eight. Great call there by Frank Frangie and
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Jeff Logoman on w j x L. Nick Shook is
with me on this Monday night. We are welcoming in
everyone watching live on YouTube. We appreciate you and Nick.
We talked last week. We devoted an entire segment to
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this Jaguars team, just saying there's something strange and delightful
and ultimately effective about this team. And they showed up
tonight and they showed exactly what we were talking about.
A statement win if I ever saw one, by what
these Jaguars are all about.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
They beat the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Look, they came for a fight, they stayed in the
fight all the way to the end, and they battled
their tails off, including Trevor getting up after falling down
in the pocket and scoring the go ahead touchdown. Look
and I tweeted this, and I think this is about
the best way I can describe this. It's like a
car crash that you can't look away from because it's
like demolition derby and you came for the crash. But
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it's also like a Formula one crash in which contacts
the last thing that you want, and it's just chaos,
and yet somehow it produced a victory. The Jaguars might
they may not be the most organized team, the most
efficient team, especially operationally, but they are one of the
most entertaining teams in the NFL. Through five weeks.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
They really are. And you know what, They're gonna stay
in the center of the NFL the next couple of weeks.
They have the Seahawks at home, and then they go
overseas to play the Rams.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Speaking of overseas, we just got a comment from our
guy Will Gavin, who I was doing a show with
in London only twenty four hours ago, and he wants
to nominate that throw to Brian Thomas Junior on third
and long on the final job drive for the Jaguars
as one of the throws of the year. I hereby agree,
let's put that on the board. And I think Nick
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that final drive. And really, this game overall helps to
define who Trevor Lawrence is because you get the bad
you get the delay of game at you know, the
second and down with the clock running down, and you
go back five yards and you're thinking, what what is
Trevor Lawrence thinking? Stuff like this happens too often. And
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yet just before that, he had that dime to Brian
Thomas Jr. On the sideline, He had a great throw
to Diami Brown. And then finally he has a play
that you think, oh my gosh, they're gonna blow it.
He trips over his center at the line of scrimmage
and you think that's a dead play. They're gonna either
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I think they were out of timeouts at that point,
right or did they have to blow their They would
have had to blow in their last time out. And
instead he gets up and he finds his way into
the end zone. Just a wild rollercoaster of a game.
And maybe that's who Trevor Lawrence is. But right now
I think he's got more support around him than he's ever.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Had, Yeah, he does. He has more support than the
form of Brian Thomas Junior in basehel Touton and Travis Hunt.
On the offensive side, he made some nice plays tonight
in an offensive line that like is sneakily pretty solid,
and a coach who tries his best to scheme up
plays to his strengths. Now, once you snap the ball
to Trevor Lawrence, there's no telling if it's actually going
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to go according to play, and we saw that plenty.
But it's the strength of this Jaguars team and a defense,
by the way, that was very punchy tonight, and a
team overall that did not get knocked back by whatever
Kansas City did to counter them. I mean, they fought
from start to finish. Yes, they had the home field advantage.
It was an exciting night on prime time, national stage,
all that stuff, But it truly does start with their quarterback.
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And despite the chaotic nature that he brings to the
field very early stage, Josh Allen and Trevor Lawrence's game,
even to this point in his career, he's still one
of the more talented guys in the league. That's why
he was seen as a consensus number one pick. When
he came out of Clemson and he still has the
arm to make the throws that put you in the
position to win games like this. That threat on the
sideline was a thing of beauty and reminded us all
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of the talent that he's working with. It's just, you know,
sometimes he's a little off the rails, even if it
does produce a win.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
We'll keep talking Lawrence because I do want to go
back through the game and talk about how he got there.
It was a wild Ultimately, the Chiefs moved the ball
about as well as they have in the last season
and a half. They finished with four hundred and sixty
five yards I think overall and a success rate over
seventy percent. I bet if you put those numbers together, Nick,
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four hundred and seventy six yards overall, and yeah, a
success rate of sixty eight percent once you add in
those last couple plays where they couldn't get anything done.
Normally you went about eighty to ninety percent of those games,
but the Jaguars made enough big plays throughout the game
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to make it happen. Let's go back to one of
those plays, because to me, the game really changed when
Devin Lloyd had an interception that reminded me so much
of James Harrison picking off Kurt Warner in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Let's listen, all right, plus kills. You swatted over there?
Dropping is the home fires? Middle hill? Jack?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Are you kidding? May bring it up again? Old ye
puny burning plowing, touch up, up, touch down, the look
the light on the tail. I cut him, Jessica's take
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it a leg? How good is that?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Now?
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I'm no uh x'es and o's expert here. I'm no
Nick schuckar Ollie Connelly or anything like that. But it
reminded me of that Harrison played because I think, you know,
he was supposed to blitz on that play, or he
was blitzing, but he just he knew it wasn't really
going to get there, and so he just sort of
had a vibe and he backed up. And that's a
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tough play for Patrick Mahomes to really be able to read.
I think it's more of just a great play by
a guy in Devin Lloyd. Schuck who's been having an
unbelievable season.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah, you know, last week had a couple of interceptions
made in coverage when he designed for him to be
in coverage, and he read and reacted to those plays.
But this play in particular was a prime example of
a football player just playing instinctively, of sensing the moment
and just making a football play and using his instincts
to make that play. And that's exactly what he did.
And then the takeoff down the sideline, he looked like
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he was out of gas. At his own forty he's.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Still another sixty yards to go.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
According to next Gen, he covered a complete a total
distance of one hundred and sixteen point eight yards. He
had a top speed of eighteen point ninety two miles
per hour. And anybody who's ever gone through conditioning for
football and they've had to run hundreds, which is like
hell on Earth, they understand exactly what that labored stride
was down the field where you're just trying to get
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to the end of the long sprint, except Devin Lloyd
had the football in his arm, and he was also
getting chased by a member of the Chiefs all the
way down to the goal line. I was shocked that
he didn't get tripped up inside the five, But I
was also so pleased to see that he didn't get
tripped up because it made for one of the highlight
plays of the year.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, I think that drive, that play and.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Him being so tired there really set up the rest
of the game where the Jaguars were just on the
field so much so. One of the reasons I think
he was so tired there is that wrapped up an
eleven play drive in which they ate up six minutes
and twenty one seconds on the clock. So he's out
there doing everything, he's in coverage, he's flying all over
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the place, and that's at the end of that drive.
Getting a comment from Taku Racer here that says, absolutely
went insane when he was watching at work, and I
love hearing from everyone where they're watching these games.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
And so they picked that off.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
It's late third court, it's mid third quarter, the early
fourth quarter, rather, and that gives the Jaguars a twenty
one to fourteen lead, and the Jaguars defense then forces
another punt, and at that point in the game took
the Jaguars have a chance to really put things away,
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and instead we get what, unfortunately a lot of fans
will say have happened a lot in the last few years,
a very fortunate call. For a second, I thought we
were going full Trevor Lawrence brutal interception in a big spot,
but the replay showed very clear pass interference that was
missed by the officials and affected the play, and that
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sets up a two play touchdown drive.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Which tied it up. I was glad shook that that
call ended up not being like the thing that we
end up remembering about tonight.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Yeah, because I think it was such a good game
that we didn't want something like this to come down
to what happened with the officials. And there were multiple
instances in which you could have seen a call go
one are both ways. Early in this game, you had
Trevor Lawrence getting the ball knocked out as he tried
to reach it across the goal line for a touchdown,
and it was close and it goes to the Chiefs ways.
And then even earlier in the game, they run a
little pick play, as the Chiefs often do in short
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yard situations and especially on the goal line, and they
score a touchdown on a pass to Travis Kelce and
you see the flag immediately go out and trav and
Patrick Mahomes is quickly arguing no, no, we get one yard,
we get one yard. It was about a yard and
a half, but they picked up the flag on the field,
so they couldn't change it. Those calls go their way early,
and I was just happy to see that they did
decide this game on the field, especially with the chaotic
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ending that we got.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, and we should mention too.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
For a second, it looked like the game was ending
on a Trevor Lawrence interception on just the play before
his game winning touchdown, but they correctly called past interference
on that play and it canceled out in interceptions and
canceled out all the conspiracy theories. Ultimately, I don't think
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the officials made any egregiously bad calls except for that
one PI, which was absolutely a brutal play. And so
when that happened, We've just seen so many of these
games where Okay, the Chiefs make the big mistake with
the pick six, you think, wow, the Jaguars might get
it done, and then the Chiefs respond right back, they
get a lucky call, they tie the game, and then they.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Go on a long fourth quarter touchdown drive.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
So Cam Little after being set up with good field position,
hits a long field goal for the Jaguars to go
up three.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
And then I thought shook.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
How we were gonna lead this show was going to
be talking about a very typical Chiefs drive that ends
up being the game winner. Six minutes, twelve plays, eighty
six yards. It includes a couple of Patrick Mahomes scrambles,
really nothing that blew you away. Great catch on the
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sideline by Mark east Brown. But another example tonight of
what I thought was a really good Chiefs offense. I
can't remember the last time I've said this in the
last few years, shook, but I actually think Chiefs fans
should feel pretty good after a loss. This has been
the team of like the opposite of moral victories. They've
been winning games and feeling bad about it, kind of
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like the Eagles have been doing this year. I think
this is a game where some crazy things happen and
you're not thrilled that you're at two and three. But
if I'm a Chiefs fan, I am feeling pretty good
about the direction of this offense. And that drive in
the fourth quarter to me was another reason why.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Yeah, that was a steel your soul drive. That was
an end the game drive, And I think in probably
the first instance in this decade, we got an example
of oh no, you scored with too much time left
from the clock for Trevor Lawrence and the Jaguars, because
that's ultimately what proved to be true. But yeah, I
mean it was a march. It was a methodical march,
and Kareem Hunt finishes it off with a short touchdown
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run and it felt like vintage Chiefs just we are
confident in what we can do. Patrick Mahomes, by the way,
has been playing fantastic football all season. Is safe for
maybe the Giants game, and well the second half. He
was good in that game too, and he was doing
it again, improvising, making plays out out of structure, running, stumbling,
keeping himself upright to pick up yards, all of the
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things that star quarterbacks need to do to propel their
team forward. Mahomes has done it consistently all year, and
he did it again tonight, and he did it on
that drive, and it felt as if the Jaguars are
now in the same spot they were in at the
end of the first half, in which Liam Cohen questionably
doesn't spend a time out with about a minute forty
left and the Chiefs ready to punt it back to them,
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and then they try to run the little two minute
offense at about a minute five or whatever it was,
and it was a disaster, and they get the ball
back in a very similar situation, and I'm thinking, there
is no way this is going to work out for
them based on what they did. At the end of
the first half, they were a disjointed mess, and early
in their possession they were a disjointed mess.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Again.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
It was at times horrid, Trevor Lawrence taking zecks when
he should throw the ball away. And yes, the heroics
end up producing a victory for them, but you're right.
I'm not a fan of moral victories either. I'm not,
but I like the way the Chiefs have played football
this year. And I think that it's crazy that even
though they were one and three at one point that
everybody was thinking, oh no, the Chiefs are in a
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bad spot, or they were one and two going to
the Baltimore game. Is this the end of the another
classic September eulogy. I know they lost tonight, but I
think they're gonna be just fine even if they lost
this game, and they're gonna be there all the way through.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I do too.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
I just talked about how I feel good about this offense,
but they do have the Lions next week, and so
that just makes that game every even bigger.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
And I love that about the NFL.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Every time you get a loss early in the season,
it just makes that next game, the next few games
even more desperate for a team like the Chiefs, and
they have good teams in the division. The Chargers obviously
not looking as good since they took on the injury
to Joe All, but the Broncos are at three and
two and it's just gonna be more challenging.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
And even though there are good.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Things to feel about the Chiefs, I think that the
speed on their offense when they get Rashid Rice back
is gonna be fascinating to watch. Because you saw tonight
Taekwon Thornton goes three for ninety and he's moved down
in the depth chart. With Xavier Word the back on
the field, the same thing with Hollywood Brown. It all
just makes more sense. And I think they're going to
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be looking better, and yet a loss is a loss,
and that at two and three you could be two
and forward next week.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
That is concerning.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I'm glad you mentioned the fun stuff they had the
jump pass to Thornton, did did you mention that one
they had that the jump ass like way down the
field to Thornton. You had the I don't even know
what to call it where they were all spinning around
and then they give the ball to Worthy.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
There there does does seem to be an excitement and a.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Freedom now that worthies back on the field, that like
Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes are just having more fun
calling plays.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I was worried when Worthy went down briefly in this
game because I'm like, oh no, not again, just when
they're starting to hit their stride with him back in
the picture. But I think you're absolutely right about Rashid
Rice's role in this offense. That's why I see they're
going to be just fine. They actually have a lot
of talent receiver, more than they did in previous years,
even Jujus Smith Schuster being a part of it. Hollywood
Brown had a pretty nice game tonight, save for the
last final drive when they couldn't move the ball in
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a desperate situation. I think that their offense is operating
quite well. And I mean you look at their yardis
shoals now. You talked about their success, right, they almost
had five hundred yards offense. Yes, they lost this game,
but we should not be taking them lightly by any means.
And once they get Rice back, They're only going to
be that much better. And I know that division is tough,
but this is a team that's been there and done
it before, and until you knock them off, I'm going
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to be a believer in them.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah, we have one person in the chat, Junior saying,
tell Jordan to undo the Chargers curse. We are going
to do some news on this show, so we will
get to the Amarion Hampton to injured reserve news. And yes,
I did receive a text from Jordan today saying I
really curse this team by calling them the best team
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in the NFL. It's a long long way to go.
You mentioned the Trevor fumble earlier in the game, and
I do think that was part of just like the
ultimate Trevor game. Let's go back to that moment, one
in which I was like, oh man, this is how
the Jaguars lose.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Lawrence a threat to sneak it here, fourth down and
goal to go with the one.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
He will sneak it, stretching the foot all out and
now the ball is loose. The Chiefs say they've got
the foot all at the one. Did the chase knock
it out? They did, they hold, they get a fund
of recovery.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
So that was early in the game, early second quarter,
and Trevor Lawrence tries to do the old Drew Brees move,
which he never messed up, even though he was like
a little under six feet tall. He always got it done.
But it didn't work out there. That was Mitch Holtis,
by the way, on K, F and Z and we've
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mentioned a few of the great plays, and I think
that last drive encapsulated it. Like you mentioned him taking
the sack before he hits that third and long to
Thomas in the Diami Brown throw. He actually had two
delay of games in this game, Trevor Lawrence. There was
one on a third and ten as well. You mentioned
the end of half sequence, which has been an issue
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no matter who the coaches. But I put this more
on Liam Cohen in terms of how he used the timeouts,
but that often happens. There was a play very early
where Trevor Lawrence ran past the line of scrimmage and
wasn't aware of that, and so that's all this this
bad stuff. But he also had a number of really
good impro improv plays.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I believe.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Did he end up leading the team and rushing, I
know Patrick Mahomes did. Trevor Lawrence and Patrick Mahomes both
led the team in rushing, and Lawrence ends up with
fifty four yards and two touchdowns on the day. So like,
you got the bad stuff, but man, you at least
got enough of the magic. And I think now we're
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seeing with Etn and Brian Thomas Junior and Travis Hunter
who had a good night, and then this defense, which
is a little more creative, and the running game in
general has been.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Good this year.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Like if Trevor can give you enough of the good stuff,
I think he's getting more help around him.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
And that's why they're four and one.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Yeah, there was two seasons ago in which it felt
like the pressure was really on them, and it was
the season in which they had that collapse down the
back half and missed the playoffs. And you know, in
that season, Trevor was just full of near misses, Like
you can see the talent, you could see the opportunity,
and it was just a hair wide here, half a
yard wide here, whatever it was that just defined their
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season to me, and it's not that he has shed
that now, but it's that the margin for air has
increased because of who they've put around him. I think,
because I think tonight is a perfect example of that
for them, the fact that they can make these mistakes,
the fact that he can throw a pretty ugly pick
that sets the Chiefs up with a great scoring opportunity.
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And it was an ugly pick because his receiver got
knocked down. By the way, it wasn't really on Trevor.
It's a timing play and Parker Washington gets flattened by
a dB. Well, you threw the ball where you thought
he was going to be needed to show up. I
think that they can survive with this brand of football
in the regular season. The one thing that you really
need to fix, or at least clean up as it
progresses toward November and December is these small heres is
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really the operation. They need more opportunities to run their
two minute offense. They need to put him in pressure
situations going forward to just get him more season. I
know it's crazy to say this. He's on a very
lavish contract, a lucrative deal, and you don't think that
a quarterback like that still needs that, But let's think
about all the games that he's missed because of injury
over the last couple of years too. It's not like
he's played the most football. So if they can get
all that stuff corrected, they're not going to go away.
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They're going to be in the conversation. And as of
right now, they're one close loss to the Bengals in
which they gave away that game away from being undefeated.
That is Jacksonville Jaguars, and they have.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Some good wins in their pocket, having the Chiefs win
in their pocket, having the Texans win in their pocket
for the tiebreakers later in the season. This division is
as good as I can remember in AFC South Division,
and they're going to be tested because they play the
NFC West out of division and those are difficult games.
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And the Jaguars are about to hit an NFC West
portion of their schedule.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
But the Colts, the Jags, and I have not.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Given up on the Texans, who are a couple plays
away from being three and two or four and one
as well, and have a really good defense going into
their bye week.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
The AFC South is alive and I love it. Now.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Not everything is perfect in this game, like both teams.
I think we're struggling to rush the passer, and no
Trayvon Walker for Jacksonville helps to explain why both teams
were blitzing quite a bit but not really getting a
ton of pressure, and so I think that's a concern
for both teams. Brenton Strange, who's having a great season
as a tight end for the Jaguars, really been their
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number two receiver, sometimes their number one receiver, even ahead
of Brian Thomas Junior in terms of consistency. He left
with a hip injury and was not able to return,
So that is a concern at least. The last thing
I want to get in before we leave this game,
and if you have anything else, Shook, feel free to
throw it in, is just we saw Travis Hunter's best
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game of the year.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah, and just baby steps.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
There was that great catch he made down the field
where he showed his athleticism. He had a nice play
after the catch on a short pass where he just
made a couple of defenders look silly, and he had
a number of nice plays in coverage and he was
on the field quite a bit. I believe over thirty
five snaps on offense, and last I checked he was
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around thirty on defense, three times he was targeted, only
gave up one short catch, and so progress. I think
here for the Travis Hunter believers like myself.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Yeah, that was the last thing that I wanted to
talk about too. And I think any time that you
end up being the second overall pick, you come in
with an unfair amount of pressure and expectation, especially a
guy like Travis Hunter who was a highlight machine at Colorado.
But what he's being asked to do has not been
asked of anybody before, which is be an impact player
on both sides of the ball. Now, he has an
early pass breakup on a third down throw to Travis
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Kelce that was very much designed to get Kelsey open
with a little bit of a crease, kind of a
rub route, and he's in there. He gets away with
being a little grabby there. That's an incompletion because he
held down Travis Kelsey's arm. But he's there to make
the play. He's there to make a difference on offense.
That one catch that you described, the athletic catch, I
think it's between two defenders made me say out loud,
Oh nice, there's Travis Hunter. There's the guy that I
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expected to make a difference on this football team. And
if you see the play, if you're watching on YouTube,
you can see Trevor Lawrence is playing out of structure
and in chaos, and Hunter essentially bails him out, which,
by the way, he did a lot with Shador Sanders
at Colorado as well. I mean, look at him. He's
leaping up over Shamari Connor, Brian Cook's trying to come
in and up end him. He grabs the ball, he
gets flipped almost all the way over and hangs on
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to it for a huge game. That is the type
of play this kid is capable of making. And I
wonder as we go deeper into the season, they're not
super thin at receiver like Deanmi Brown's going to play
a part. Parker Washington somehow finds a way to make
plays even though he's a small receiver. He cutches a
touchdown pass tonight. They have options, but if they're really
going to maximize their potential, Travis Hunter has to be
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a key part of it in the passing game, which
will only be more beneficial to Trevor Lawrence and maybe
get him more on track and less chaotics. So I'm
really looking forward to see where he goes, and I
think tonight was a great first step toward that you know,
potential outcome.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I absolutely agree, and I think it's only going to
get better as he gets a little more more confident.
And you saw him playing with the joy tonight. He like,
I think he fires that team up with any play
that he made, huge smile like going nuts, ends up.
I believe with thirty five snaps on offense and twenty
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four on your twenty five snaps in the end on defense,
So a clean sixty snaps.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I mean that's a lot, but it's nothing crazy.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I mean, Jalen Carter is out there playing sixty snaps
a defensive tackle, you know the other day like that.
Sixty snaps is a normal NFL workload. It's just, yeah,
you have to figure out how to play multiple positions.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
It's crazy. It's great.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
And yeah, the Jags who led the NFL in turnovers,
takeaways forced coming into the day, even before playing this
week five game, get that big pick six. Don't forget
about Devin Lloyd. This has been a big play defense
and they are four and one. I love it when
a good plan comes together. Stamping the Jaguars as the
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messy fun team of NFL Daily, the team we just
are enjoying watching this journey last week and then they
come through.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Like this, good Anya Jaguars.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
All right, let's get to some news quickly before we
get out of here on this Monday night, because I
got to go to sleep, shooky. I was out an
eleven and a half hour flight today off two hours
of sleep, and.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Honestly, I feel good. I feel great.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
You know, I'm wearing my Dodger's hat if you're watching
on YouTube, like it's a great sports day, and I'm
very glad to be home. But we'll hit a couple
little news items, including a couple different quarterback situations. Let's
just combine them together. John Harbaugh Zach Taylor both said
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on Monday that they're considering everything at quarterback. They're essentially
considering a change. In the past, I've said that means
the change is coming. For Harbaugh was a little less
specific about quarterback. It was more about everything. They do
have Tyler Huntley on their roster and could start him
in Week five against the Rams for Cooper Rush potentially,
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and then Zach Taylor. This one caught my eye a
little more wasn't totally committing to Jake Browning as the quarterback.
Brett Rippen is the other active quarterback on the roster,
so you would assume that would be the choice, although
they also have Mike White and Sean Clifford on their
practice squad.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Man.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Who would have thought the AFC South would be better
than the AFC North this season?
Speaker 1 (27:04):
But I think I think we can. We can call it.
I mean, maybe there'll be a comeback, but they're pretty
far ahead right now. The NFC South.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
No, No, I feel pretty confident saying that the AFC
South is better than the North because the South has
all their quarterbacks, they've played better football overall. But the
Cincinnati situation is dire, like they start to and oh,
which is great, hooray, we started to know. You lost
Joe Burrow. You've lost three straight since then, and you've
looked completely non competitive in every single game that you've
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played since you lost Joe Burrow. Like like even the
Lions game. This final score looks respectable, but a lot
of those points were scored when they were already trailing
twenty eight to three, and the Lions kept pouring it
on like this is this has been an abysmal offense
over the last three weeks. Jake Browning, I understand, like
he's dealing with a lot. He's got an offensive line
that's leaky. They have no running game. They just throw
it up down the sideline fifty to fifty to Jami
Chason T. Higgins and hope for the best. And yes,
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he's made some poor decisions. He's thrown a lot of
passes into traffic. He's produced some some turno, But I
don't see a better option like Brett Rippen's gonna help
Mike White. Mike White, the same Mike White who once
inspired Jets fans for I don't know, a few weeks
before you know, he fell back to earth, Like there's
no option here. And this is life in the NFL.
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If you lose a franchise quarterback and you've spent most
of your money at the positions that take advantage of
that franchise quarterback, you end up in a dark place.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Like when they signed Cooper Rush, I was like, that
doesn't make any sense. He doesn't fit their offense. Snoop
Hotly has always worked there because he kind of fits
what they like to do offensively, even as they've evolved
and maybe you thought Todd Monkin could make it work. Yes,
I think that's a no brainer for me. After three
picks and a blowout loss, I would absolutely go back
to Snooper.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Okay, right, So I watched that game on my flight home.
Shout out to de Zone. I know it's a little
divisive over in the UK. That's their version of game Pass.
I gotta say. I mean, I don't know if I'm
going to get in trouble. It's better. It's better than
our domestic version. Download the games first of all, that
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that's the number one thing. But you can have the
multi screens while you're watching with like the four screens
that the quality was really good. I was using it
the last couple of weeks, so I'm a fan of
the product. But it helped me watch what I thought
was an underrated Cooper Rush before. This is the tiniest
molehill of a take I'll ever say. They had the
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ball twice in the score was already seventeen to three.
He really didn't make that many mistakes. I know he
ended up with three interceptions they weren't really on him,
and a couple of them just like late and unimportant.
He was just there like no one like Lamar Jackson
was not winning that game. It obviously would have been
more competitive, but their defense being the biggest tire fire
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in the entire NFL on either side of the ball
is the is the story because it was ridiculous how
they just got absolutely hammered on the defensive side of
the ball. And their running game absolutely stinks too, and
their offensive lines not particularly good either. So I'm willing
to give Cooper Rush like a little bit of a
pass here, Jake Browning, I'm not going to give a
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pass too, So that that I kind of think, based
on Zach Taylor's comments, if I had the guess that
we're getting Brett Rippon, which is weird, can they doesn't
seem like a good idea, doesn't seem like.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
A good yeah, But when you have no other options left,
anything's a good idea because what else are you gonna do?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I mean, Jake was slanging it back in three, He
was slanging it a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
By the fourth quarter of that game, he was he
was helping out Jamar Chase and t Higgins's fantasy owners.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Chase also made a really nice play in his touchdown graph.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
He did, but that was a good throw too. I
mean one thing about Jake Brown, He'll give you a chance.
That the Bengals have a very difficult game against the
Packers this week, so they're probably falling to two and four.
And it's crazy to think that the Ravens, it doesn't
matter who starts a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
They just need to get to.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Their buy uh and it'll probably be one in five
and hope that Lamar Jackson can save them on the
their side. I noticed a report I'm gonna throw this
one by you from the Philly Voice that AJ Brown
and Saquon Barkley and Jalen Hurts had a private conversation
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the three of them today all had a really good
talk that lasted hours where they where they put everything
on the table and they helped to straighten out whatever
is going on there. Does that count as a player's
only meeting if it's only three players.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
It feels like a Matthew Stafford Cooper cup breakfast like
pancakes and coffee type of meeting. Did they have a
copy of that self help book that AJ Brown was
leaning on? Like were they quoting it during the meeting?
That's what I want to know. Look, I'm tired of
this repetitive narrative when they just don't find success offensively,
like Saquon has not gotten going this year. They had
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to resort to the pass. It helped them come back
and beat the Rams. Oh everything's fixed. Oh wait, no,
it's not. You want another game. AJ Brown's mad because
he only caught two of his like nine targets. It's
every week with this team, Like, I understand you finally
lost the game, but my god, you're still one of
the best teams in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
But something that's going on some you know, when Brandon
Graham let the cat out of the bag late last
season that there was something going on in the personal
relationship between A. J. Brown and Jalen Hurts, and it's
been backed up and confirmed and kind of talked about
by other people that yeah, you know, they used to
be really close and sometimes life happens and things are
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like there's there is something strange there.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
There's been kind of hints maybe.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Like the offense is really built around Jalen Hurts his strengths,
and maybe those strengths don't you know, match up exactly
with what A J.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Brown wants to do. Who really knows what are you
gonna do?
Speaker 4 (32:50):
What are you gonna pull? John Robinson and trade aj
Brown and you know, get crucified because of.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
It, right they.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
I think it's productive that they're trying to, you know,
get it squared away. It's just funny to me. And
that was from Jimmy Kempsky, our old friend at the
Philly Voice, that they're talking for three hours.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
I just love this team.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Who had a few listeners to the PHL Y Show,
which I was listening to on my way out of
the airport today, asking whether there was any chance Siriani
could be fired like of this season, go Sideway. They
just lost their first game in like a calendar year
that Jalen Hurts actually started and finished.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Look, I love Philly.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
When I was an Internet films way back in the
day and lived in South Jersey, I developed a love
for the city and that fan base is passionate. But
for the love of guy God, guys, get a hobby.
You lost one game. Let it play out.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Let's see how they respond to it. I think they'll respond.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Well.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
It is now time for Who Delivered presented by Uber Eats,
and you know who delivered one of the most improbable
wins I've ever seen in my life on Sunday. It
was the Tennessee Titans. And you know who delivered an
apology on Monday, not just to the fans but to
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his players. It was Jonathan Gannon, their head coach.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Let's listen, Yeah, I actually I woke up this morning
and didn't feel great about it, honestly, and so in
the team meeting, I addressed it. I apologize to Omar,
apologize to the team, and I just told him I
kind of let the moment of what happened get the
better of me there, obviously, Like I try to be
(34:42):
emotionally stable and calm because my job is to solve
problems when during a game and kind of lead the
charge on that. So it's not really who I am
who I want to be, And I told the guys
that today.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
On one hand, appreciate the accountability there by Jonathan Gannon.
He is referring to an interaction that we didn't know
about until it was posted on social media from a
different camera angle shook where he got in Amario de
Mercado's face after dropping the ball, you know, before scoring
that touchdown, and then on his way out like kind
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of looked like he pushed him and got a little physical.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Yeah, I think this is a product. First off, I
do want to tip my captain for delivering a sincere
apology that I felt that was very honest in what
he said there. The accountability is great, right, But I
think this is the product of a coach who entered
year three with feeling some pressure, feeling like you have
to deliver this year. And they get up to the
two and oh start, they lose a tough one in
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San Francisco, totally fine. You lose again the following week
to Seattle, another close one but wasn't really as close
to the final score edicated. I mean, they got there.
This one is inexcusable. This one is an absolute dark
stain on his resume as a head coach because of
the collapse in the way that it happened. And unfortunately
the collapse started with the mar de Mercado dropping the
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football right before the goal line, like he scored such
on there. They got twenty to six.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
That games over.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
They're not Tennessee is not coming back. They lacked the
firepower to come back. He left the door open by
making that mental mistake, and in the heat of the moment,
Gannon lost his composure. I think it's a simple product
of the pressure and the heat of the moment and
just being letting your emotions get the best of you.
So it's good that he took some accountability for it.
But my god, they need to win in the worst
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way right now, and they're playing the Colts and Packers next,
and I think he understands it's not gonna get any easier.
This is one they had to have.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I wish I remember who it was.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
On Twitter, an ex player that it just pointed out,
like these are the kind of moments that can lose
locker room a little bit. You know, you see a
coach act like that and disrespect your player. Like players
will take any sort of tough coaching if they feel
like it's fair and it's trying to help them. But
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putting that your hands on someone on the way out,
I think that's gonna rub people the wrong way. I
think he realized that maybe someone had to tell him
that or not, but he realized, like that's a line
that you don't want to cross and is problematic for
a Gannon, so that he's really facing the toughest time
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for him as an NFL head coach so far. That
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wrapping up the show here on a great Monday night
for the messiest fun team in the NFL, the Jacksonville Jaggers.
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Just with a few other injury notes, just wanted to
let everyone know. Starting guard for the Broncos, Ben Powers,
who's been part of their best offensive line, maybe the
best offensive line in the league, going to injured reserve.
Colts kick Spencer Schrader is out for the season. They
lost him during that win over the Raiders on Sunday,
so they're gonna have to figure out their kicker situation.
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Terry on Arnold, this is a big one. The starting
cornerback for the Lions is going to be out quote
a while. And if you remember something we didn't talk
about on the show, but last week they put DJ Reid,
who's really their number one corner on injured reserve, So
they're going to be without their top two corners for
a while. That's bad news for a team. That's trying
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to win the Super Bowl. And by the way, as
Patrick Mahomes and hot Chiefs defense next week, bad news
for them. And then we'll wrap with Amaron Hampton Shook
going to injured reserve. Not sure if you got eyes
on the Chargers game yet. I know you crank through
all the games on Monday for your quarterback Index, But
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tell me what you saw out of them and what
you think, you know the challenges they're going to face
without Amari and Hampton least the.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Next four weeks.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Yeah, I got two left. It's been a banner day.
So I'm watching this game back and there's a period,
I think in the third or fourth quarter where Hassan
Haskins is suddenly getting run and it's like a pretty
pivotal moment where the Chargers are trying to generate something offensively.
They hadn't done anything since taking that early lead, and
I'm like, why are they leading on Haskins here? Why
are they not going to Hampton? Oh, it's because he's hurt.
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It's a major downgrade. They already lost Najie Harris to
the achilles injury for the year. You knew that was bad,
but you're like, we have Hampton, they'll be okay. Well
without both of them. I am now officially concerned for
their running game. They have a Hassan Haskins and they
have Commani Vadell left in that backfield. And you can
be a huge fan of Idell as much as you want,
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but those two are not They're not Hampton, They're not Harris.
It's just gonna lead to a more unbalanced attack. It's
going to take me back to the Chargers of a
couple of years ago when they lost you know, a
bunch of their offensive linemen and Herbert got hurt because
he was under constant dress. He was kind of under
constant dress in this game. And that's against the Commanders
team with a defense that hasn't necessarily been all that
great this season, and they got shut down. And so
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it does make me very concerned for their outlook offensively
if they can't balance out this offense. Herbert's great, and
I think that he'll still try his best to lead
them to victories and produce you know, yards and points
and everything else. But it just it does concern me
that they're going to be a very past heavy team
now and it's gonna hold them back a bit.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
One of our friends in the comments, John Byrne, says
that he didn't expect the Chargers to have to go
to val Vadalsa soon.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
A little bit of a sprit ah pretty good, hey
man joke, but I wouldn't get it, I know, ending
with ending with a dad joke. Here late on Monday night.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
We're about one minute away actually from Tuesday morning for you, Shookie,
and yes it's about five am for me where my
body clock is. And so really appreciate everyone who told
us they enjoyed the shows while I was overseas, and
Ollie Connolly wanted to give a special thanks and tell
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everyone to check out his read optional substack. I didn't
mention that on the show last night, and both him
and Will Gavin we heard from people really enjoyed their analysis.
So we we love that people can be flexible, you know,
they they love the favorites. In fact, I was we
were getting I was getting a drink with with Oli
one night and he said, I want to meet this
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Nick Schuk. I want to give that man a hug.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
They do.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
He was just like a big shook fan. So the
love is flowing over international waters shooky.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Yeah, I mean I love to get on a plane
and get out there. I don't know if family, I
know that's next.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Year, next year, that is my goal.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Well, I'm sending coded messages to our iHeart family. I
did want to thank iHeart by the way too. Just
instrumental in everything we do and the trip we had
and really important to all of us. All Right, we
will be back on Tuesday. It is a massive show.
We have been waiting all season long. Yes, it is
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the return of Quarterback Island. On Tuesday, Colleen Wolf, Steve Weisch,
myself and Jordan Rodrigue will decide what twelve quarterbacks are
going to stay on the island, who's getting booted off.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
And maybe we have room for a couple of new quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
I got some ideas, Shookie. We will see you all
on Tuesday.
One yard line, Trevor underfenter, how you flip three? Fell down?
Tremor fell down on the play. Don't you gonna turn
run in?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Got down? Touch down, He got up, pick got under
them done. They gonna kay Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
The messiest, most fun touchdown from the messiest, most fun team.
That was Trevor Lawrence winning in the way that only
Trevor Lawrence and this Jaguars team can win, thirty one
to twenty eight. Great call there by Frank Frangie and
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Jeff Logoman on w j x L. Nick Shook is
with me on this Monday night. We are welcoming in
everyone watching live on YouTube. We appreciate you and Nick.
We talked last week. We devoted an entire segment to
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this Jaguars team, just saying there's something strange and delightful
and ultimately effective about this team. And they showed up
tonight and they showed exactly what we were talking about.
A statement win if I ever saw one, by what
these Jaguars are all about.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
They beat the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Look, they came for a fight, they stayed in the
fight all the way to the end, and they battled
their tails off, including Trevor getting up after falling down
in the pocket and scoring the go ahead touchdown. Look
and I tweeted this, and I think this is about
the best way I can describe this. It's like a
car crash that you can't look away from because it's
like demolition derby and you came for the crash. But
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it's also like a Formula one crash in which contacts
the last thing that you want, and it's just chaos,
and yet somehow it produced a victory. The Jaguars might
they may not be the most organized team, the most
efficient team, especially operationally, but they are one of the
most entertaining teams in the NFL. Through five weeks.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
They really are. And you know what, They're gonna stay
in the center of the NFL the next couple of weeks.
They have the Seahawks at home, and then they go
overseas to play the Rams.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Speaking of overseas, we just got a comment from our
guy Will Gavin, who I was doing a show with
in London only twenty four hours ago, and he wants
to nominate that throw to Brian Thomas Junior on third
and long on the final job drive for the Jaguars
as one of the throws of the year. I hereby agree,
let's put that on the board. And I think Nick
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that final drive. And really, this game overall helps to
define who Trevor Lawrence is because you get the bad
you get the delay of game at you know, the
second and down with the clock running down, and you
go back five yards and you're thinking, what what is
Trevor Lawrence thinking? Stuff like this happens too often. And
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yet just before that, he had that dime to Brian
Thomas Jr. On the sideline, He had a great throw
to Diami Brown. And then finally he has a play
that you think, oh my gosh, they're gonna blow it.
He trips over his center at the line of scrimmage
and you think that's a dead play. They're gonna either
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I think they were out of timeouts at that point,
right or did they have to blow their They would
have had to blow in their last time out. And
instead he gets up and he finds his way into
the end zone. Just a wild rollercoaster of a game.
And maybe that's who Trevor Lawrence is. But right now
I think he's got more support around him than he's ever.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Had, Yeah, he does. He has more support than the
form of Brian Thomas Junior in basehel Touton and Travis Hunt.
On the offensive side, he made some nice plays tonight
in an offensive line that like is sneakily pretty solid,
and a coach who tries his best to scheme up
plays to his strengths. Now, once you snap the ball
to Trevor Lawrence, there's no telling if it's actually going
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to go according to play, and we saw that plenty.
But it's the strength of this Jaguars team and a defense,
by the way, that was very punchy tonight, and a
team overall that did not get knocked back by whatever
Kansas City did to counter them. I mean, they fought
from start to finish. Yes, they had the home field advantage.
It was an exciting night on prime time, national stage,
all that stuff, But it truly does start with their quarterback.
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And despite the chaotic nature that he brings to the
field very early stage, Josh Allen and Trevor Lawrence's game,
even to this point in his career, he's still one
of the more talented guys in the league. That's why
he was seen as a consensus number one pick. When
he came out of Clemson and he still has the
arm to make the throws that put you in the
position to win games like this. That threat on the
sideline was a thing of beauty and reminded us all
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of the talent that he's working with. It's just, you know,
sometimes he's a little off the rails, even if it
does produce a win.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
We'll keep talking Lawrence because I do want to go
back through the game and talk about how he got there.
It was a wild Ultimately, the Chiefs moved the ball
about as well as they have in the last season
and a half. They finished with four hundred and sixty
five yards I think overall and a success rate over
seventy percent. I bet if you put those numbers together, Nick,
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four hundred and seventy six yards overall, and yeah, a
success rate of sixty eight percent once you add in
those last couple plays where they couldn't get anything done.
Normally you went about eighty to ninety percent of those games,
but the Jaguars made enough big plays throughout the game
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to make it happen. Let's go back to one of
those plays, because to me, the game really changed when
Devin Lloyd had an interception that reminded me so much
of James Harrison picking off Kurt Warner in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Let's listen, all right, plus kills. You swatted over there?
Dropping is the home fires? Middle hill? Jack?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Are you kidding? May bring it up again? Old ye
puny burning plowing, touch up, up, touch down, the look
the light on the tail. I cut him, Jessica's take
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it a leg? How good is that?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Now?
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I'm no uh x'es and o's expert here. I'm no
Nick schuckar Ollie Connelly or anything like that. But it
reminded me of that Harrison played because I think, you know,
he was supposed to blitz on that play, or he
was blitzing, but he just he knew it wasn't really
going to get there, and so he just sort of
had a vibe and he backed up. And that's a
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tough play for Patrick Mahomes to really be able to read.
I think it's more of just a great play by
a guy in Devin Lloyd. Schuck who's been having an
unbelievable season.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah, you know, last week had a couple of interceptions
made in coverage when he designed for him to be
in coverage, and he read and reacted to those plays.
But this play in particular was a prime example of
a football player just playing instinctively, of sensing the moment
and just making a football play and using his instincts
to make that play. And that's exactly what he did.
And then the takeoff down the sideline, he looked like
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he was out of gas. At his own forty he's.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Still another sixty yards to go.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
According to next Gen, he covered a complete a total
distance of one hundred and sixteen point eight yards. He
had a top speed of eighteen point ninety two miles
per hour. And anybody who's ever gone through conditioning for
football and they've had to run hundreds, which is like
hell on Earth, they understand exactly what that labored stride
was down the field where you're just trying to get
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to the end of the long sprint, except Devin Lloyd
had the football in his arm, and he was also
getting chased by a member of the Chiefs all the
way down to the goal line. I was shocked that
he didn't get tripped up inside the five, But I
was also so pleased to see that he didn't get
tripped up because it made for one of the highlight
plays of the year.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, I think that drive, that play and.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Him being so tired there really set up the rest
of the game where the Jaguars were just on the
field so much so. One of the reasons I think
he was so tired there is that wrapped up an
eleven play drive in which they ate up six minutes
and twenty one seconds on the clock. So he's out
there doing everything, he's in coverage, he's flying all over
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the place, and that's at the end of that drive.
Getting a comment from Taku Racer here that says, absolutely
went insane when he was watching at work, and I
love hearing from everyone where they're watching these games.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
And so they picked that off.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
It's late third court, it's mid third quarter, the early
fourth quarter, rather, and that gives the Jaguars a twenty
one to fourteen lead, and the Jaguars defense then forces
another punt, and at that point in the game took
the Jaguars have a chance to really put things away,
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and instead we get what, unfortunately a lot of fans
will say have happened a lot in the last few years,
a very fortunate call. For a second, I thought we
were going full Trevor Lawrence brutal interception in a big spot,
but the replay showed very clear pass interference that was
missed by the officials and affected the play, and that
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sets up a two play touchdown drive.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Which tied it up. I was glad shook that that
call ended up not being like the thing that we
end up remembering about tonight.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Yeah, because I think it was such a good game
that we didn't want something like this to come down
to what happened with the officials. And there were multiple
instances in which you could have seen a call go
one are both ways. Early in this game, you had
Trevor Lawrence getting the ball knocked out as he tried
to reach it across the goal line for a touchdown,
and it was close and it goes to the Chiefs ways.
And then even earlier in the game, they run a
little pick play, as the Chiefs often do in short
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yard situations and especially on the goal line, and they
score a touchdown on a pass to Travis Kelce and
you see the flag immediately go out and trav and
Patrick Mahomes is quickly arguing no, no, we get one yard,
we get one yard. It was about a yard and
a half, but they picked up the flag on the field,
so they couldn't change it. Those calls go their way early,
and I was just happy to see that they did
decide this game on the field, especially with the chaotic
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ending that we got.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, and we should mention too.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
For a second, it looked like the game was ending
on a Trevor Lawrence interception on just the play before
his game winning touchdown, but they correctly called past interference
on that play and it canceled out in interceptions and
canceled out all the conspiracy theories. Ultimately, I don't think
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the officials made any egregiously bad calls except for that
one PI, which was absolutely a brutal play. And so
when that happened, We've just seen so many of these
games where Okay, the Chiefs make the big mistake with
the pick six, you think, wow, the Jaguars might get
it done, and then the Chiefs respond right back, they
get a lucky call, they tie the game, and then they.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Go on a long fourth quarter touchdown drive.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
So Cam Little after being set up with good field position,
hits a long field goal for the Jaguars to go
up three.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
And then I thought shook.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
How we were gonna lead this show was going to
be talking about a very typical Chiefs drive that ends
up being the game winner. Six minutes, twelve plays, eighty
six yards. It includes a couple of Patrick Mahomes scrambles,
really nothing that blew you away. Great catch on the
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sideline by Mark east Brown. But another example tonight of
what I thought was a really good Chiefs offense. I
can't remember the last time I've said this in the
last few years, shook, but I actually think Chiefs fans
should feel pretty good after a loss. This has been
the team of like the opposite of moral victories. They've
been winning games and feeling bad about it, kind of
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like the Eagles have been doing this year. I think
this is a game where some crazy things happen and
you're not thrilled that you're at two and three. But
if I'm a Chiefs fan, I am feeling pretty good
about the direction of this offense. And that drive in
the fourth quarter to me was another reason why.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Yeah, that was a steel your soul drive. That was
an end the game drive, And I think in probably
the first instance in this decade, we got an example
of oh no, you scored with too much time left
from the clock for Trevor Lawrence and the Jaguars, because
that's ultimately what proved to be true. But yeah, I
mean it was a march. It was a methodical march,
and Kareem Hunt finishes it off with a short touchdown
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run and it felt like vintage Chiefs just we are
confident in what we can do. Patrick Mahomes, by the way,
has been playing fantastic football all season. Is safe for
maybe the Giants game, and well the second half. He
was good in that game too, and he was doing
it again, improvising, making plays out out of structure, running, stumbling,
keeping himself upright to pick up yards, all of the
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things that star quarterbacks need to do to propel their
team forward. Mahomes has done it consistently all year, and
he did it again tonight, and he did it on
that drive, and it felt as if the Jaguars are
now in the same spot they were in at the
end of the first half, in which Liam Cohen questionably
doesn't spend a time out with about a minute forty
left and the Chiefs ready to punt it back to them,
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and then they try to run the little two minute
offense at about a minute five or whatever it was,
and it was a disaster, and they get the ball
back in a very similar situation, and I'm thinking, there
is no way this is going to work out for
them based on what they did. At the end of
the first half, they were a disjointed mess, and early
in their possession they were a disjointed mess.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Again.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
It was at times horrid, Trevor Lawrence taking zecks when
he should throw the ball away. And yes, the heroics
end up producing a victory for them, but you're right.
I'm not a fan of moral victories either. I'm not,
but I like the way the Chiefs have played football
this year. And I think that it's crazy that even
though they were one and three at one point that
everybody was thinking, oh no, the Chiefs are in a
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bad spot, or they were one and two going to
the Baltimore game. Is this the end of the another
classic September eulogy. I know they lost tonight, but I
think they're gonna be just fine even if they lost
this game, and they're gonna be there all the way through.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I do too.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
I just talked about how I feel good about this offense,
but they do have the Lions next week, and so
that just makes that game every even bigger.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
And I love that about the NFL.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Every time you get a loss early in the season,
it just makes that next game, the next few games
even more desperate for a team like the Chiefs, and
they have good teams in the division. The Chargers obviously
not looking as good since they took on the injury
to Joe All, but the Broncos are at three and
two and it's just gonna be more challenging.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
And even though there are good.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Things to feel about the Chiefs, I think that the
speed on their offense when they get Rashid Rice back
is gonna be fascinating to watch. Because you saw tonight
Taekwon Thornton goes three for ninety and he's moved down
in the depth chart. With Xavier Word the back on
the field, the same thing with Hollywood Brown. It all
just makes more sense. And I think they're going to
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be looking better, and yet a loss is a loss,
and that at two and three you could be two
and forward next week.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
That is concerning.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I'm glad you mentioned the fun stuff they had the
jump pass to Thornton, did did you mention that one
they had that the jump ass like way down the
field to Thornton. You had the I don't even know
what to call it where they were all spinning around
and then they give the ball to Worthy.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
There there does does seem to be an excitement and a.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Freedom now that worthies back on the field, that like
Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes are just having more fun
calling plays.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I was worried when Worthy went down briefly in this
game because I'm like, oh no, not again, just when
they're starting to hit their stride with him back in
the picture. But I think you're absolutely right about Rashid
Rice's role in this offense. That's why I see they're
going to be just fine. They actually have a lot
of talent receiver, more than they did in previous years,
even Jujus Smith Schuster being a part of it. Hollywood
Brown had a pretty nice game tonight, save for the
last final drive when they couldn't move the ball in
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a desperate situation. I think that their offense is operating
quite well. And I mean you look at their yardis
shoals now. You talked about their success, right, they almost
had five hundred yards offense. Yes, they lost this game,
but we should not be taking them lightly by any means.
And once they get Rice back, They're only going to
be that much better. And I know that division is tough,
but this is a team that's been there and done
it before, and until you knock them off, I'm going
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to be a believer in them.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah, we have one person in the chat, Junior saying,
tell Jordan to undo the Chargers curse. We are going
to do some news on this show, so we will
get to the Amarion Hampton to injured reserve news. And yes,
I did receive a text from Jordan today saying I
really curse this team by calling them the best team
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in the NFL. It's a long long way to go.
You mentioned the Trevor fumble earlier in the game, and
I do think that was part of just like the
ultimate Trevor game. Let's go back to that moment, one
in which I was like, oh man, this is how
the Jaguars lose.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Lawrence a threat to sneak it here, fourth down and
goal to go with the one.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
He will sneak it, stretching the foot all out and
now the ball is loose. The Chiefs say they've got
the foot all at the one. Did the chase knock
it out? They did, they hold, they get a fund
of recovery.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
So that was early in the game, early second quarter,
and Trevor Lawrence tries to do the old Drew Brees move,
which he never messed up, even though he was like
a little under six feet tall. He always got it done.
But it didn't work out there. That was Mitch Holtis,
by the way, on K, F and Z and we've
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mentioned a few of the great plays, and I think
that last drive encapsulated it. Like you mentioned him taking
the sack before he hits that third and long to
Thomas in the Diami Brown throw. He actually had two
delay of games in this game, Trevor Lawrence. There was
one on a third and ten as well. You mentioned
the end of half sequence, which has been an issue
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no matter who the coaches. But I put this more
on Liam Cohen in terms of how he used the timeouts,
but that often happens. There was a play very early
where Trevor Lawrence ran past the line of scrimmage and
wasn't aware of that, and so that's all this this
bad stuff. But he also had a number of really
good impro improv plays.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I believe.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Did he end up leading the team and rushing, I
know Patrick Mahomes did. Trevor Lawrence and Patrick Mahomes both
led the team in rushing, and Lawrence ends up with
fifty four yards and two touchdowns on the day. So like,
you got the bad stuff, but man, you at least
got enough of the magic. And I think now we're
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seeing with Etn and Brian Thomas Junior and Travis Hunter
who had a good night, and then this defense, which
is a little more creative, and the running game in
general has been.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Good this year.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Like if Trevor can give you enough of the good stuff,
I think he's getting more help around him.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
And that's why they're four and one.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Yeah, there was two seasons ago in which it felt
like the pressure was really on them, and it was
the season in which they had that collapse down the
back half and missed the playoffs. And you know, in
that season, Trevor was just full of near misses, Like
you can see the talent, you could see the opportunity,
and it was just a hair wide here, half a
yard wide here, whatever it was that just defined their
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season to me, and it's not that he has shed
that now, but it's that the margin for air has
increased because of who they've put around him. I think,
because I think tonight is a perfect example of that
for them, the fact that they can make these mistakes,
the fact that he can throw a pretty ugly pick
that sets the Chiefs up with a great scoring opportunity.
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And it was an ugly pick because his receiver got
knocked down. By the way, it wasn't really on Trevor.
It's a timing play and Parker Washington gets flattened by
a dB. Well, you threw the ball where you thought
he was going to be needed to show up. I
think that they can survive with this brand of football
in the regular season. The one thing that you really
need to fix, or at least clean up as it
progresses toward November and December is these small heres is
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really the operation. They need more opportunities to run their
two minute offense. They need to put him in pressure
situations going forward to just get him more season. I
know it's crazy to say this. He's on a very
lavish contract, a lucrative deal, and you don't think that
a quarterback like that still needs that, But let's think
about all the games that he's missed because of injury
over the last couple of years too. It's not like
he's played the most football. So if they can get
all that stuff corrected, they're not going to go away.
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They're going to be in the conversation. And as of
right now, they're one close loss to the Bengals in
which they gave away that game away from being undefeated.
That is Jacksonville Jaguars, and they have.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Some good wins in their pocket, having the Chiefs win
in their pocket, having the Texans win in their pocket
for the tiebreakers later in the season. This division is
as good as I can remember in AFC South Division,
and they're going to be tested because they play the
NFC West out of division and those are difficult games.
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And the Jaguars are about to hit an NFC West
portion of their schedule.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
But the Colts, the Jags, and I have not.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Given up on the Texans, who are a couple plays
away from being three and two or four and one
as well, and have a really good defense going into
their bye week.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
The AFC South is alive and I love it. Now.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Not everything is perfect in this game, like both teams.
I think we're struggling to rush the passer, and no
Trayvon Walker for Jacksonville helps to explain why both teams
were blitzing quite a bit but not really getting a
ton of pressure, and so I think that's a concern
for both teams. Brenton Strange, who's having a great season
as a tight end for the Jaguars, really been their
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number two receiver, sometimes their number one receiver, even ahead
of Brian Thomas Junior in terms of consistency. He left
with a hip injury and was not able to return,
So that is a concern at least. The last thing
I want to get in before we leave this game,
and if you have anything else, Shook, feel free to
throw it in, is just we saw Travis Hunter's best
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game of the year.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah, and just baby steps.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
There was that great catch he made down the field
where he showed his athleticism. He had a nice play
after the catch on a short pass where he just
made a couple of defenders look silly, and he had
a number of nice plays in coverage and he was
on the field quite a bit. I believe over thirty
five snaps on offense, and last I checked he was
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around thirty on defense, three times he was targeted, only
gave up one short catch, and so progress. I think
here for the Travis Hunter believers like myself.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Yeah, that was the last thing that I wanted to
talk about too. And I think any time that you
end up being the second overall pick, you come in
with an unfair amount of pressure and expectation, especially a
guy like Travis Hunter who was a highlight machine at Colorado.
But what he's being asked to do has not been
asked of anybody before, which is be an impact player
on both sides of the ball. Now, he has an
early pass breakup on a third down throw to Travis
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Kelce that was very much designed to get Kelsey open
with a little bit of a crease, kind of a
rub route, and he's in there. He gets away with
being a little grabby there. That's an incompletion because he
held down Travis Kelsey's arm. But he's there to make
the play. He's there to make a difference on offense.
That one catch that you described, the athletic catch, I
think it's between two defenders made me say out loud,
Oh nice, there's Travis Hunter. There's the guy that I
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expected to make a difference on this football team. And
if you see the play, if you're watching on YouTube,
you can see Trevor Lawrence is playing out of structure
and in chaos, and Hunter essentially bails him out, which,
by the way, he did a lot with Shador Sanders
at Colorado as well. I mean, look at him. He's
leaping up over Shamari Connor, Brian Cook's trying to come
in and up end him. He grabs the ball, he
gets flipped almost all the way over and hangs on
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to it for a huge game. That is the type
of play this kid is capable of making. And I
wonder as we go deeper into the season, they're not
super thin at receiver like Deanmi Brown's going to play
a part. Parker Washington somehow finds a way to make
plays even though he's a small receiver. He cutches a
touchdown pass tonight. They have options, but if they're really
going to maximize their potential, Travis Hunter has to be
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a key part of it in the passing game, which
will only be more beneficial to Trevor Lawrence and maybe
get him more on track and less chaotics. So I'm
really looking forward to see where he goes, and I
think tonight was a great first step toward that you know,
potential outcome.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I absolutely agree, and I think it's only going to
get better as he gets a little more more confident.
And you saw him playing with the joy tonight. He like,
I think he fires that team up with any play
that he made, huge smile like going nuts, ends up.
I believe with thirty five snaps on offense and twenty
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four on your twenty five snaps in the end on defense,
So a clean sixty snaps.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
I mean that's a lot, but it's nothing crazy.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I mean, Jalen Carter is out there playing sixty snaps
a defensive tackle, you know the other day like that.
Sixty snaps is a normal NFL workload. It's just, yeah,
you have to figure out how to play multiple positions.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
It's crazy. It's great.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
And yeah, the Jags who led the NFL in turnovers,
takeaways forced coming into the day, even before playing this
week five game, get that big pick six. Don't forget
about Devin Lloyd. This has been a big play defense
and they are four and one. I love it when
a good plan comes together. Stamping the Jaguars as the
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messy fun team of NFL Daily, the team we just
are enjoying watching this journey last week and then they
come through.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Like this, good Anya Jaguars.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
All right, let's get to some news quickly before we
get out of here on this Monday night, because I
got to go to sleep, shooky. I was out an
eleven and a half hour flight today off two hours
of sleep, and.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Honestly, I feel good. I feel great.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
You know, I'm wearing my Dodger's hat if you're watching
on YouTube, like it's a great sports day, and I'm
very glad to be home. But we'll hit a couple
little news items, including a couple different quarterback situations. Let's
just combine them together. John Harbaugh Zach Taylor both said
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on Monday that they're considering everything at quarterback. They're essentially
considering a change. In the past, I've said that means
the change is coming. For Harbaugh was a little less
specific about quarterback. It was more about everything. They do
have Tyler Huntley on their roster and could start him
in Week five against the Rams for Cooper Rush potentially,
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and then Zach Taylor. This one caught my eye a
little more wasn't totally committing to Jake Browning as the quarterback.
Brett Rippen is the other active quarterback on the roster,
so you would assume that would be the choice, although
they also have Mike White and Sean Clifford on their
practice squad.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Man.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Who would have thought the AFC South would be better
than the AFC North this season?
Speaker 1 (27:04):
But I think I think we can. We can call it.
I mean, maybe there'll be a comeback, but they're pretty
far ahead right now. The NFC South.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
No, No, I feel pretty confident saying that the AFC
South is better than the North because the South has
all their quarterbacks, they've played better football overall. But the
Cincinnati situation is dire, like they start to and oh,
which is great, hooray, we started to know. You lost
Joe Burrow. You've lost three straight since then, and you've
looked completely non competitive in every single game that you've
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played since you lost Joe Burrow. Like like even the
Lions game. This final score looks respectable, but a lot
of those points were scored when they were already trailing
twenty eight to three, and the Lions kept pouring it
on like this is this has been an abysmal offense
over the last three weeks. Jake Browning, I understand, like
he's dealing with a lot. He's got an offensive line
that's leaky. They have no running game. They just throw
it up down the sideline fifty to fifty to Jami
Chason T. Higgins and hope for the best. And yes,
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he's made some poor decisions. He's thrown a lot of
passes into traffic. He's produced some some turno, But I
don't see a better option like Brett Rippen's gonna help
Mike White. Mike White, the same Mike White who once
inspired Jets fans for I don't know, a few weeks
before you know, he fell back to earth, Like there's
no option here. And this is life in the NFL.
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If you lose a franchise quarterback and you've spent most
of your money at the positions that take advantage of
that franchise quarterback, you end up in a dark place.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Like when they signed Cooper Rush, I was like, that
doesn't make any sense. He doesn't fit their offense. Snoop
Hotly has always worked there because he kind of fits
what they like to do offensively, even as they've evolved
and maybe you thought Todd Monkin could make it work. Yes,
I think that's a no brainer for me. After three
picks and a blowout loss, I would absolutely go back
to Snooper.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Okay, right, So I watched that game on my flight home.
Shout out to de Zone. I know it's a little
divisive over in the UK. That's their version of game Pass.
I gotta say. I mean, I don't know if I'm
going to get in trouble. It's better. It's better than
our domestic version. Download the games first of all, that
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that's the number one thing. But you can have the
multi screens while you're watching with like the four screens
that the quality was really good. I was using it
the last couple of weeks, so I'm a fan of
the product. But it helped me watch what I thought
was an underrated Cooper Rush before. This is the tiniest
molehill of a take I'll ever say. They had the
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ball twice in the score was already seventeen to three.
He really didn't make that many mistakes. I know he
ended up with three interceptions they weren't really on him,
and a couple of them just like late and unimportant.
He was just there like no one like Lamar Jackson
was not winning that game. It obviously would have been
more competitive, but their defense being the biggest tire fire
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in the entire NFL on either side of the ball
is the is the story because it was ridiculous how
they just got absolutely hammered on the defensive side of
the ball. And their running game absolutely stinks too, and
their offensive lines not particularly good either. So I'm willing
to give Cooper Rush like a little bit of a
pass here, Jake Browning, I'm not going to give a
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pass too, So that that I kind of think, based
on Zach Taylor's comments, if I had the guess that
we're getting Brett Rippon, which is weird, can they doesn't
seem like a good idea, doesn't seem like.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
A good yeah, But when you have no other options left,
anything's a good idea because what else are you gonna do?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I mean, Jake was slanging it back in three, He
was slanging it a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
By the fourth quarter of that game, he was he
was helping out Jamar Chase and t Higgins's fantasy owners.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Chase also made a really nice play in his touchdown graph.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
He did, but that was a good throw too. I
mean one thing about Jake Brown, He'll give you a chance.
That the Bengals have a very difficult game against the
Packers this week, so they're probably falling to two and four.
And it's crazy to think that the Ravens, it doesn't
matter who starts a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
They just need to get to.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Their buy uh and it'll probably be one in five
and hope that Lamar Jackson can save them on the
their side. I noticed a report I'm gonna throw this
one by you from the Philly Voice that AJ Brown
and Saquon Barkley and Jalen Hurts had a private conversation
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the three of them today all had a really good
talk that lasted hours where they where they put everything
on the table and they helped to straighten out whatever
is going on there. Does that count as a player's
only meeting if it's only three players.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
It feels like a Matthew Stafford Cooper cup breakfast like
pancakes and coffee type of meeting. Did they have a
copy of that self help book that AJ Brown was
leaning on? Like were they quoting it during the meeting?
That's what I want to know. Look, I'm tired of
this repetitive narrative when they just don't find success offensively,
like Saquon has not gotten going this year. They had
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to resort to the pass. It helped them come back
and beat the Rams. Oh everything's fixed. Oh wait, no,
it's not. You want another game. AJ Brown's mad because
he only caught two of his like nine targets. It's
every week with this team, Like, I understand you finally
lost the game, but my god, you're still one of
the best teams in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
But something that's going on some you know, when Brandon
Graham let the cat out of the bag late last
season that there was something going on in the personal
relationship between A. J. Brown and Jalen Hurts, and it's
been backed up and confirmed and kind of talked about
by other people that yeah, you know, they used to
be really close and sometimes life happens and things are
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like there's there is something strange there.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
There's been kind of hints maybe.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Like the offense is really built around Jalen Hurts his strengths,
and maybe those strengths don't you know, match up exactly
with what A J.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Brown wants to do. Who really knows what are you
gonna do?
Speaker 4 (32:50):
What are you gonna pull? John Robinson and trade aj
Brown and you know, get crucified because of.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
It, right they.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
I think it's productive that they're trying to, you know,
get it squared away. It's just funny to me. And
that was from Jimmy Kempsky, our old friend at the
Philly Voice, that they're talking for three hours.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
I just love this team.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Who had a few listeners to the PHL Y Show,
which I was listening to on my way out of
the airport today, asking whether there was any chance Siriani
could be fired like of this season, go Sideway. They
just lost their first game in like a calendar year
that Jalen Hurts actually started and finished.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Look, I love Philly.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
When I was an Internet films way back in the
day and lived in South Jersey, I developed a love
for the city and that fan base is passionate. But
for the love of guy God, guys, get a hobby.
You lost one game. Let it play out.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Let's see how they respond to it. I think they'll respond.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Well.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
It is now time for Who Delivered presented by Uber Eats,
and you know who delivered one of the most improbable
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apology on Monday, not just to the fans but to
(34:12):
his players. It was Jonathan Gannon, their head coach.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Let's listen, Yeah, I actually I woke up this morning
and didn't feel great about it, honestly, and so in
the team meeting, I addressed it. I apologize to Omar,
apologize to the team, and I just told him I
kind of let the moment of what happened get the
better of me there, obviously, Like I try to be
(34:42):
emotionally stable and calm because my job is to solve
problems when during a game and kind of lead the
charge on that. So it's not really who I am
who I want to be, And I told the guys
that today.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
On one hand, appreciate the accountability there by Jonathan Gannon.
He is referring to an interaction that we didn't know
about until it was posted on social media from a
different camera angle shook where he got in Amario de
Mercado's face after dropping the ball, you know, before scoring
that touchdown, and then on his way out like kind
(35:19):
of looked like he pushed him and got a little physical.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Yeah, I think this is a product. First off, I
do want to tip my captain for delivering a sincere
apology that I felt that was very honest in what
he said there. The accountability is great, right, But I
think this is the product of a coach who entered
year three with feeling some pressure, feeling like you have
to deliver this year. And they get up to the
two and oh start, they lose a tough one in
(35:44):
San Francisco, totally fine. You lose again the following week
to Seattle, another close one but wasn't really as close
to the final score edicated. I mean, they got there.
This one is inexcusable. This one is an absolute dark
stain on his resume as a head coach because of
the collapse in the way that it happened. And unfortunately
the collapse started with the mar de Mercado dropping the
(36:06):
football right before the goal line, like he scored such
on there. They got twenty to six.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
That games over.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
They're not Tennessee is not coming back. They lacked the
firepower to come back. He left the door open by
making that mental mistake, and in the heat of the moment,
Gannon lost his composure. I think it's a simple product
of the pressure and the heat of the moment and
just being letting your emotions get the best of you.
So it's good that he took some accountability for it.
But my god, they need to win in the worst
(36:31):
way right now, and they're playing the Colts and Packers next,
and I think he understands it's not gonna get any easier.
This is one they had to have.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I wish I remember who it was.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
On Twitter, an ex player that it just pointed out,
like these are the kind of moments that can lose
locker room a little bit. You know, you see a
coach act like that and disrespect your player. Like players
will take any sort of tough coaching if they feel
like it's fair and it's trying to help them. But
(37:03):
putting that your hands on someone on the way out,
I think that's gonna rub people the wrong way. I
think he realized that maybe someone had to tell him
that or not, but he realized, like that's a line
that you don't want to cross and is problematic for
a Gannon, so that he's really facing the toughest time
(37:25):
for him as an NFL head coach so far. That
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for the messiest fun team in the NFL, the Jacksonville Jaggers.
(37:47):
Just with a few other injury notes, just wanted to
let everyone know. Starting guard for the Broncos, Ben Powers,
who's been part of their best offensive line, maybe the
best offensive line in the league, going to injured reserve.
Colts kick Spencer Schrader is out for the season. They
lost him during that win over the Raiders on Sunday,
so they're gonna have to figure out their kicker situation.
(38:09):
Terry on Arnold, this is a big one. The starting
cornerback for the Lions is going to be out quote
a while. And if you remember something we didn't talk
about on the show, but last week they put DJ Reid,
who's really their number one corner on injured reserve, So
they're going to be without their top two corners for
a while. That's bad news for a team. That's trying
(38:31):
to win the Super Bowl. And by the way, as
Patrick Mahomes and hot Chiefs defense next week, bad news
for them. And then we'll wrap with Amaron Hampton Shook
going to injured reserve. Not sure if you got eyes
on the Chargers game yet. I know you crank through
all the games on Monday for your quarterback Index, But
(38:54):
tell me what you saw out of them and what
you think, you know the challenges they're going to face
without Amari and Hampton least the.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Next four weeks.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Yeah, I got two left. It's been a banner day.
So I'm watching this game back and there's a period,
I think in the third or fourth quarter where Hassan
Haskins is suddenly getting run and it's like a pretty
pivotal moment where the Chargers are trying to generate something offensively.
They hadn't done anything since taking that early lead, and
I'm like, why are they leading on Haskins here? Why
are they not going to Hampton? Oh, it's because he's hurt.
(39:24):
It's a major downgrade. They already lost Najie Harris to
the achilles injury for the year. You knew that was bad,
but you're like, we have Hampton, they'll be okay. Well
without both of them. I am now officially concerned for
their running game. They have a Hassan Haskins and they
have Commani Vadell left in that backfield. And you can
be a huge fan of Idell as much as you want,
(39:44):
but those two are not They're not Hampton, They're not Harris.
It's just gonna lead to a more unbalanced attack. It's
going to take me back to the Chargers of a
couple of years ago when they lost you know, a
bunch of their offensive linemen and Herbert got hurt because
he was under constant dress. He was kind of under
constant dress in this game. And that's against the Commanders
team with a defense that hasn't necessarily been all that
great this season, and they got shut down. And so
(40:07):
it does make me very concerned for their outlook offensively
if they can't balance out this offense. Herbert's great, and
I think that he'll still try his best to lead
them to victories and produce you know, yards and points
and everything else. But it just it does concern me
that they're going to be a very past heavy team
now and it's gonna hold them back a bit.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
One of our friends in the comments, John Byrne, says
that he didn't expect the Chargers to have to go
to val Vadalsa soon.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
A little bit of a sprit ah pretty good, hey
man joke, but I wouldn't get it, I know, ending
with ending with a dad joke. Here late on Monday night.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
We're about one minute away actually from Tuesday morning for you, Shookie,
and yes it's about five am for me where my
body clock is. And so really appreciate everyone who told
us they enjoyed the shows while I was overseas, and
Ollie Connolly wanted to give a special thanks and tell
(41:09):
everyone to check out his read optional substack. I didn't
mention that on the show last night, and both him
and Will Gavin we heard from people really enjoyed their analysis.
So we we love that people can be flexible, you know,
they they love the favorites. In fact, I was we
were getting I was getting a drink with with Oli
one night and he said, I want to meet this
(41:31):
Nick Schuk. I want to give that man a hug.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
They do.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
He was just like a big shook fan. So the
love is flowing over international waters shooky.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Yeah, I mean I love to get on a plane
and get out there. I don't know if family, I
know that's next.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Year, next year, that is my goal.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Well, I'm sending coded messages to our iHeart family. I
did want to thank iHeart by the way too. Just
instrumental in everything we do and the trip we had
and really important to all of us. All Right, we
will be back on Tuesday. It is a massive show.
We have been waiting all season long. Yes, it is
(42:07):
the return of Quarterback Island. On Tuesday, Colleen Wolf, Steve Weisch,
myself and Jordan Rodrigue will decide what twelve quarterbacks are
going to stay on the island, who's getting booted off.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
And maybe we have room for a couple of new quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
I got some ideas, Shookie. We will see you all
on Tuesday.
Host
Gregg Rosenthal
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