Aaron Rodgers Signs and Top-30 Wide Receivers in the NFL

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to NFL almost daily, where we would never skip
OTA's season.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'm Greg Rosenthal.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
I'm here in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio, and I'm
joined by my friend Patrick Claybon. Often here on Thursdays
in the studio. It's one of my favorite things about
the off season. Not as often here, but always bringing
the funk. It's Matt Harmon and Matt, you are lucky
enough to be on the show that is taping right
after Aaron Rodgers is agreeing to sign with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Congratulations.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Oh wow, what a treat. I couldn't I couldn't be
more happy to talk about my what's become my least
favorite subject. Oh, thank you guys for having me. No,
I actually just literally had a rant on football three
to oh one, which came out yesterday because we've had this.
We've had this graphic on our show with all of

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our y'all who shows like the depth charts for every
team and they've had Aaron Rodgers at quarterback with the
parentheses like potentially for about two and a half months
and they just flash it on the screen. It's like,
I'm so sick of I'm so sick of seeing this.
It was funny when I saw the first time two
and a half months ago. Now now I'm tired of it.
So hey, I said enough already, and look at that

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it happened the next day.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
I feel bad now, you know, you could sit out
the first part of the show, Matt, and you could
just come back.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
For what I'm really excited about.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
We're going to rank who are the best wide receivers
in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Have a little draft.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
But I think news calls Patrick that we that we
hit a route off the time.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
And in fact, the last time we were here, we
were discussing that, you know, Matt can't always just.

Speaker 5 (01:42):
Be wide receiver.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
Yeah that's so now we get to talk Aaron and people,
you know, the conspiracy theorists are out there, as two
of his homeboys were very publicly beefing that this is
a news dump.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
No, it's not a news dump.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
It just happened to Steelers finished OTA's as you said
today and now it's like, okay, now I can say
that I'm going to play football.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
To be fair, I didn't have a huge issue with
this getting drawn out. We didn't have to talk about
it that much, and I don't think we did that
much on this show. Once it became obvious that this
was the vague plan, ownerships spoke multiple times that they
expected him to be there. So I'm not going to
kill him for all the media attention over the last

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few weeks.

Speaker 5 (02:24):
Now, it's our fault.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
It is sort of our fault. That's what I'm saying now.
The actual signing. To me, if you take a step
back and almost pretend we didn't know that this was
going to happen, it is fascinating, Matt that they wanted
Justin Fields more than Aaron Rodgers. To me, it is
really fascinating that the Jets and the Steelers swapped quarterbacks,

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but they both wanted Justin Fields, who also was benched
by that Saint Pittsburgh Steelers team. It is crazy that
he really is a marriage of convenience for this team.
And yet I feel like this could end up working out.
I don't think it will, but I do think it's
either gonna be like eighty percent of Brett Favan Minnesota

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and actually be a help for this team, give them
decent quarterback play. They're gonna be relevant. It's gonna be
a big story. It's kind of fun. Or it's gonna
be like Matt ryanan Indianapolis and just totally sad and
like the worst moment of his career and Mike Tommlins career.
It's nothing in between. But there's an argument that it
could be the positive one because he is a year
removed from that surgery.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
I think that should help.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah, it should definitely help, And I guess it working
out is kind of what is your definition of it
working out? Really is? Is it like.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Eleven wins and just that you're maybe slightly better on
offense than a year ago, Like decent, you're a decent team.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
You don't get wiped out by double digits in the
play in the first round of the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
No, you're either competitive or you win a game. Yeah,
you're either competitive in that game or you like win
a game. I think even making the playoffs to me
would be a success.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yes, that's the bar in Pittsburgh at this point. It's like,
just get the participation playoff trophy. But no, I think
that I actually think that it's probably going to be
closer to Matt Ryan in Indianapolis now that you say that,
I just don't have a lot of faith in this ecosystem.
I don't have a lot of faith in the pass

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catchers around Rogers, and I don't have faith in Rogers
being flexible enough at this point with what he wants
to do offensively to meet Arthur Smith in whatever the
middle wants to be. I think it could look closer
from like an offensive perspective to what Smith had in
his first year with ironically Matt Ryan with the Atlanta Falcons,
where they weren't so stringent in like the heavy personnel stuff.

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They were a little They were eighth in pass rate
that year, which is a far cry from anything else
that Arthur Smith has ever had in his offensive time
as a play caller. So but to me, I do
think it probably trends more towards the nightmare outcome than
it does the rosy outlook.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah, because Arthur Smith has only kind of grown more
powerful as as his career has gone on in the
influence as to what the offense looks like. And so
now we have the most influential Aaron. So what is
meeting in the middle look like? And why why would
I be excited about it? And even if we do
go to the extremes of what one wants versus the other.

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I'm not excited about either one of those. Like, congratulations
to Aaron Rodgers on being what I feel is an
upgrade over Mason Rudolph and I'm sure they're going to
get along great as well, but I don't see this
Like if we're saying success is a significant improvement upon
last year, I'm not seeing now.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
It's it's sometimes tough to dissect Claybond's sarcasm. Do you
really think they're going to get along great and Rogers
because I think you're saying that they that they will
get along great, but I don't agree.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
I mean, ultimately, for Mason it doesn't it doesn't matter
right facilitating that relationship, whether he wants to or not,
it is not going to be important. All things are
going to be to facilitate what Aaron wants, and the
big conflict is ultimately going to be like is there
like has author Arthur Smith been hiding quarterbacks or has

(06:16):
this been the way he wants to operate an offense.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
It's fascinating.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
I'm glad it's happening because I think it makes the
Steelers more interesting. It's still one of the greatest players
that we've ever seen a four time MVP who was
a shell of him his former self last year. And
everyone keeps bringing up those games at the end of
the season that they had, and I challenge anyone to

(06:42):
go watch those games. They weren't great, like they were
challenging they even the ones with better numbers. I get it.
He takes so few chances that the completion percentage and
the touchdown of interception ratio, like that's his superpower is
not getting intercepted.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
It still is, but he plays.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
So safe now that it just allows nothing to develop.
And even at the end of the season he seems
so allergic and fearful of pressure. The one little thing
that gives me a little bit of confidence, because I
don't think the fit is great either Matt, is that
he did move better at the end of the season.
You could see it, and that, to me is like

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the only thing to plant your flag on with Rogers
is that another offseason removed from achilles surgery, which is
the toughest surgery to recover from, he was moving better
by the end of last season. That that could help him,
But I don't know how much better it's gonna be. Matt,
and the weapons aren't very good. It's DK Metcalf, who
to me doesn't exactly seem like an Aaron Rodgers type

(07:43):
of guy at this point of his career. Not too
precise and down the field, and a whole lot of
I don't know, like in front of you know, a
pretty good young offensive line.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, there's some decent buzz about Roman Wilson, who ran
I think a grand total of four routes last year
amid an injury ruined rookies season, and I was kind
of I thought he was more of like a fourth
round pick than a third round pick. But you know
that's that's like haggling there anyways. But it's interesting because
with Metcalf, I think he actually fits well with what
Arthur Smith typically wants in his X receivers, which is

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a guy who's gonna rotte like be really good on
those inbreakers crossers digs off play action, but like that
chunky intermediate middle of the field is the place that
Rogers has been allergic to throwing to since like his
last MVP campaign, which I just think he's been like
a below average quarterback every time we've seen him since then,

(08:34):
which is really only two seasons. So I just that
like that that relationship, that connection is a questionable one
to me, even if I do like the way that
Metcalf theoretically from a route deployment perspective, fits in Arthur
Smith's offense at good good points.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
You kind of proved me wrong that he could fit
with Smith. But there's not like there's not much around there.
It is amazing though that the schedule makers put Jets
and Steelers week one. Now they didn't do it with
their chest out because they did it at ten am Pacific,
you know, one on the lesser coast, and so that's

(09:10):
that's just like an early game. I would assume now
that will be the national game on CBS at least
in the early window.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
But that's opposite a lot of a lot of games.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
But for me, as just like a fan, he does
make it more even if I find him obnoxious like
as a personality, he does make the football more exciting.
We have a game against the Packers also, which is cool.
Aaron Rodgers the Packers, assuming he makes it to mid
season when they play.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
Yeah, we're going to be watching the Steelers and seeing
the Steelers anyway, right, And Aaron Rodgers, despite all of
the Aaron rodgersness is more compelling than Mason Rudolph despite
their similarities. I just I do wonder, like because it's
it's about five hundred and seventy attempts, Like Aaron Rodgers
playing on every game is going to be between five
to seventy and six something attempts. What's the number on

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this team? Like what's the safe number?

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Like many?

Speaker 4 (10:02):
How many times do you want Aaron Rodgers dropping back
in this offense? It just it doesn't It seems it's
impossible for me to predict.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Well, They've said they want to be a run first offense,
but Aaron Rodgers does not run run first offenses. They
have a good young offensive line, which I alluded to,
which the Jets did too, And I thought the Jets
offensive line was overall solid to good last year. Wasn't
like he was there like a huge problem for Rogers.
But you're right, just seeing all the potential clashes. He's
got the Vikings, you know who he almost thought of

(10:35):
signing with in Week four, he's at the Patriots. I
don't know that there's no real to that, but I'm just.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
Being I thought about you know, me and Rihanna. It
just it was gonna happen. It just didn't work out.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Oh man, Aaron Rodgers, welcome back. I am glad. I
am glad before we get to our rankings. And yes,
that's why we have the incredible Matt Harmon, as he
mentioned from Yahoo's sport Football three h one the Fantasy
podcast there, but even more importantly Reception Perception, his own

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site where you can pay to get the real goodies
and get all the analytics on these.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Wide receivers we're going to talk about.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Before we do that, I did just want to mention
one other quick item of news, which is that Anthony
Richardson is not going to be practicing for the rest
of the offseason, at least until training camp, so not
OTA's and then there's mandatory mini camp this week. He
has a shoulder injury, and it supports this gnawing feeling
I've had patrick this whole time that this is Danny

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Dimes's job to lose.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
And that's that's an unfortunate situation franchise to be in.
It makes you think, I just hope that they manage
this injury properly because it's ultimately what ended things for
Andrew Luck is trying to come back and throw too
early on this shoulder, And now like this offseason has
been put in this position of hey, here's this quarterback

(11:58):
in his third year going to make his twenty seventh
start maybe, and it's like, hey, if he doesn't win
this job, his career is over. And so now he's
having to deal with that while dealing with this injury
and the backup is Daniel Jones.

Speaker 5 (12:12):
It's just no thanks, I'm out.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Right, And what are the odds Matt that like Daniel
Jones stays healthy or it looks good like I guess
either one of us do.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Yeah. I was just talking about this with our mutual
friend James co and like, Riley Leonard is probably gonna
make starts for this team this year. I mean, I
just think that's very much in the range of outcomes.
Six round pick Riley Leonard. Yeah, to me, it's just
all along. Ever since they signed Daniel Jones, my tone
on it has not changed, which is tell me the
scenario where both guys don't make starts this year and

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everybody gets cleaned out at the end of the season.
I just feel like this Colds team is just very
a drift at this point, which is a shame because
I actually think this offense. I don't know if we're
going to talk about any of these receivers today in our draft.
It depends the deep we go. But I think this
is a really good receiver room and like they've added
to it over the years with a lot of like
Day two draft picks, and I think they've some to

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varying degrees, found a lot of hits. Like Josh Downs
to me, is a guy that is way underrated. Still
like one of the best slot receivers in the league
and awesome separator. Michael Pittman's not coming off his best year,
but he did play through a back injury for most
of the season. He's like a rock solid number two receiver.
Alec Pierce is he can really only do a couple
of things, but he's pretty good in those couple of things. Hey, great,

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damn good those couple of things. And Ady Mitchell definitely
is a guy that I think needed a season of development.
You saw that in his ability to beat zone coverage.
But if you just look at him on like slants
and goes and curl routes and against man coverage, really
impressive separation ability there. So there's something there with him,
even if he's not fully developed. And they took a
first round tight end, so there's a lot of pass

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catchers here, and I just can't see how anybody gets
maximized in a room with Danny Dimes, for you know,
however many games he starts.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
There is a scenario I think of the Colts mattering
because Anthony Richardson gets healthy in training camp and ultimately
wins that job. Whether it's because Daniel Jones, you know,
he's had a career threatening neck injury, he had the
neat like, whatever it is that he ends up getting
into the lineup because of what you said. I think
there's decent talent around him. Obviously, Jonathan Taylor to the

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defense is a little frisky, you know. I think there
is a path to it happening. But man, the way
that they've been pushing Daniel Jones on social media from
the Colt site, that's been my number one thing is like, Okay,
I see, I see what you're doing. You're you're winning
this job if everyone's healthy, which sucks.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
Scroll through, scroll through the Colts TikTok and Twitter like
pull out the media media page if you see an
Anthony Richardson highlight from camp.

Speaker 5 (14:44):
There's immediately a Daniel joke. It is. It is like
that there has been an edict sent out to say.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
That, hey, if you show, if you showed Anthony Richardson,
you have to show downe.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Equal time, equal time.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
It's like it's like, you know, a big news editorial pages.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Let's take a quick break.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
We're going to come back and we are going to
rank at least the top twenty receivers in the league.
We might even get to thirty if we go fast enough.
Back on NFL daily drafting wide receivers, a controversial way

(15:24):
to decide who are the best wide receivers in the league.
We're not drafting them from any team. We're just taking
turns picking guys off the board, and that will be
the graphic top thirty wide receivers in the NFL that
goes out no matter what.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Wow, I'm excited for.

Speaker 5 (15:43):
We have no asterisk with a very very small.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Note, no asterisk, no nothing. This is going to be representative.
And I trust no one more than Patrick Claybon to
make great pick.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
But Harmon is doesn't. That's so not true.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
I think you picking Terry Fontina with such great content
number nine overall, right, Harmon? Sorry, wow, yeah, see it
was aggressive, but that's what I That's what I like
about it. That's what I like about it. Let's start
the parameters here are just who do we think is
the best? Right now, we're not talking about career, we're
not talking about the future, but we are talking about

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twenty twenty five. So who would we want this season?
Not fantasy numbers like reality. Who would you want on
your team? And since you are mister reception perception, why
don't we give Matt Harmon the honor of kicking off?

Speaker 5 (16:36):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Wow, that is that is beautiful. I think I've got
a tier of six guys that I think are true
Tier one wide receivers. But I'm gonna go ahead and
give it Jamar Chase off the top here because he's
coming off the best year. He's coming off the triple crown.
I think he established himself as an elite tier wide
receiver a couple of seasons ago. Nobody is better at

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mixing all aspects of the wide receiver position to get
other into like a truly formed like. Not only is
he a plus route runner and he's been a plus
route runner since his collegiate days. He's also just a
big play machine. Like, I don't know that there's anybody
right now that I would trust to go from zero
to sixty like a house a pass than Jamar Chase.
So I'll take him top of the board here.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
See that's it just shows the kind of trust and
belief I have in you guys, because that is different
than who I would take at all one, but obviously
a reasonable pick.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
We'll see where Patrick goes here at number two.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
Yeah, I'm interested in your number one pick because my
number one pick was just taken by Matt Harmon. I
will take Justin Jefferson as college teammate of Jamar Chase
at number two, simply because.

Speaker 5 (17:44):
He's like in terms of execution in the.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
Game, and I recognize there are some moments where you
compare the quarterback situations. I think they're drastically different. I
think Justin Jefferson would put up insane numbers were he
in Cincinnati. But I also feel that he has this
ability of route running at the catch point as well
as explosiveness where you're not getting that anywhere else.

Speaker 5 (18:11):
So I'll take Tustin Jefferson.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, that would have been my pick and I think
you're splitting hairs between the two. So I don't want
to go negative talking about Jamar Chase. To me, just
Justin Jefferson, it's year after year. You're right, the fact
that he's done it with different quarterbacks matters to me,
and to me, he's kind of the best at everything.
Like he's put up a Hall of Fame career already.

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He does not need to do that much more like
he's been first or a second team All Pro every
year that he wasn't hurt and like voted for MVP,
you know, got some votes offensive Ricar all that stuff,
and just when I watch him and it's just it's
splitting hairs. I just like can't imagine a scenario where
Justin Jefferson isn't doing almost every asset in part of
being a receiver at the highest of high levels. And

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he's done it like each and every year, no matter
what's happening. That's my small split of the difference between
those two. But it's hard to really argue, like what
would you see as any differences between those two And
what makes JJ like on the on the reception perception
data like stand out the most.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Oh yeah, I mean from a success rate versus man
zone and press coverage standpoint, He's been an elite performer
since he hit the NFL field. And I think if
you're talking about differences between the two of them, I
do think Chase is a guy that can, like I said,
go from zero to sixty like house a screen pass,
probably more so, like more reliably than justin Jefferson would.

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But I think Jefferson what makes him so quarterback friendly
and what I mean why he just produces no matter
who's out there. And I think Chase would produce fine
with any of these other guys. But like the way
that Jefferson is able to throttle down and then explode
out of breaks, just create such like low margin for
error for a quarterback, regardless of how accurate or not

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anticipatory that player is is, he just presents them with
these wide open windows, and even if they aren't the
most accurate pass, he tracks the ball and wins and
contested situations almost better than any other receiver out there.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, they're both so savvy. Jefferson just seems so smart.
Four years already over fourteen hundred yards including that crazy
eighteen hundred two. I mean, that's the same as like
Randy Moss in his entire career. That's how great Jefferson's
been in Chase is pretty close to that too, So
hard to argue with those two one and two. I
took number three because I did I did have someone

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I really wanted.

Speaker 5 (20:32):
To oka yet that pie all right, maybe greg controversial.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
No, I don't think a J. Brown at three is
too controversial.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I just wanted to give him the respect that he deserves,
and you never know what could happen. I wanted to
make sure he was right there because I just feel
like the AJ Brown slant is the most unstoppable play
in football. The go his go route is like not
that far behind, and I just feel like he's like
gotten more subtle.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
I love a.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Physical receiver, I guess, I mean, who doesn't, But I
love a physical receiver with like as much subtlety as him.
So I really think watching him on a per game
basis last year, I know he wasn't healthy like totally
for the playoff run, that he had taken his game
maybe even to like another level where he is really
knocking on the door of JJ of Chase as like
the very best.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
In the league. Yeah, he was in he was in
the conversation for me.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
I mean, we we're in my exact order at this point,
so it's not off the board or controversial. I think
aj is such a big part of why the Eagles
were able to do the things that they like to
be able to flip a switch and go from a
run team to like, hey we're gonna throw the ball
spags and here's here's Aj Brown and there's there's really

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nothing you can do about it. And like I think
about the fourth down conversion early against the Commanders in
the playoffs, where it's it's aj On a go, uh
give give Jalen the three step and he's gonna he's
gonna box a guy out and make a catch over
the shoulder like it's it looks he makes it look easy.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
I honestly think he has helped to raise the floor
of these receiver contracts, as his contracts have been proof
that like having a great receiver and giving him a
quarterback like contract can lift the entire rest of the
offense even if you don't have a top five quarterback.
I have a feeling we have the same big six
now that I look at my list, as you Harmon.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Who do you have fourth?

Speaker 3 (22:23):
A fourth?

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Or who is next? I shouldn't assume a J. Brown,
A J.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Brown not snaking here. We're going back to no.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
No, we're going back to not staking.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Oh number four. I kind of want to actually go
off my board here because technically Ceedee Lamb would be
next for me, But I think I'm going to just
go with Nico Collins here to make a statement because
I mean, look, it's not it's not. I don't think
it's controversial. It shouldn't be. Nico Collins a top five
wide receiver to me, but yeah, when this graphic goes out,
I want my name attached to Nico Collins because I've

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been the biggest Nico Collins backer basically since he came
into the league. Early in his twenty twenty one in
season reception perception rookie report, I was like, this guy
wins at an over seventy percent rate against man and
press coverage, which like that means you're a bona fide,
like good starting X receiver, But it just didn't show
up in the box score because he's playing with Davis

(23:17):
Mills and all the chaos there in Houston. And then
we've seen over the last two years. He's a bonafide
elite number one tier wide receiver, and I think what
makes him different than any of the other guys that
I have in my first tier is that he just
pretty much exclusively lines up at X receiver like all
these other guys get to move around the formation, and
I think that I'm actually interested to see if Nico

(23:38):
Collins can do a little bit more of that with
Nick Kayley coming in as the offensive coordinator there. But
he's been such a perfect fit on those like typical
Shanahan X receiver concepts there that maybe you don't want
to move him around, because again, he's a top five
performer at the most difficult position to play within, the
wide receiver position.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Bold pick. I had him in my top six too.
I love me some Nico. I just I'm always surprised
when you see that he's two hundred and twenty five
pounds or whatever, just because he's so good and nifty
after the catch, it's just a great yack.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
It's the number. The number helps, is that it? Yeah,
I feel like if you put Nico Collins in another number,
he would look massive.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
I mean he but he does.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
He looked, but he looks lanky, he looks tall in
thinner he's six or four. But maybe maybe it is
the number What a come up for Nico Collins like
cemented top five receiver?

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Who do you have?

Speaker 5 (24:27):
Fifth? Patrick? Boards looking great? It's looking like our board.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
I will take rams wide receiver, Puka Nakua and number five.

Speaker 5 (24:35):
It was.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
It was very dicey because I like Harmon was considering
CD in the spot, but then I feel like Puka
is still ascending where CD might have. It feels like
the explosive vet explosiveness after the catch is coming back
to reality where he was so excellent there, but Pucas
still got it. That game in so far against the

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Bills was one of the better performances as I've seen
from anybody in all of last season. And I know
that if you're going volume and it's like, well, you know,
Stafford loaded up Megatron and he loaded up Cooper Cup
and he can load up Pooka, Like I'm not doing
this on like a volume basis. I truly think explosiveness,

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like ability, at the catch point, separation, all these things.
He's got all of it, and I'm happy to have
him at this point in year three on my wide
receiver hypothetical tea.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, I had him fourth overall, right behind aj although
it split the ars here top like yards per route
run in the last twenty five years, only Steve Smith
best season and Tyreek Hill two years ago was better
than Puka last year. So Puka doesn't have the counting
stats harmon a year ago, but it did. It did
feel watching him, and you can tell me what you

(25:50):
think like that, he did take a pretty big leap
just as a player from his rookie season when he
was among the greatest rookies, if not you know, the
greatest they get put him behind Mass but naming number
two or three like of all time in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
So do you think he improved a lot in year two?

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Uh? Yeah, I think that Pukuakua actually talked to him
after the Super Bowl followed up his rookie season. Yeah,
thank you. Was also gonna mention I stood next to
n Eco Collins at the Super Bowl this past year
and Ken confirmed big guy. So I don't think we
need a new number. That's just a big heal thing.
But no, Yeah, with Puka, I think the one thing

(26:30):
that he told me in that conversation is that he
wanted to get better at the catch point because he
felt like he lets some things go during his rookie
season that he probably shouldn't have. And I think right
away when he came back from injury, you saw that
he was winning along the sideline a lot more like
there was all the typical over the middle work, you know,
the digs, the crossers, these dagger concepts, like you saw

(26:52):
all of that, but he made an intentional effort to
get better in terms of timing his jumps, like having
late hands, getting his feet down in bounds. Those were
all there and that's the stuff that you do if
you're a true number one wide receiver. And just from
a separation standpoint, his success rate vers zone coverage this year,
because I just finished charting him, he'll be on the
site next week eighty five point one percent. That's going

(27:13):
to be among the league leaders and represented a big,
big jump as well.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Right now, he can he can win against any any
type of that's Ray Walker. Thank you, Harmon.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Do you when we have wide receiver opinions or back
when you were here at the NFL and you guys
were mixing it up with Patrick or now and people
come at you with differing wide receiver opinions?

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Do you look down on them?

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Are you like the Aaron Rodgers to our Mason Rudolph
in the room because you've ultimately done more work?

Speaker 3 (27:42):
You know, No, everybody is entitled to their own opinion.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
You just don't respect like as No, I know.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
I mean just maybe he saw something different than I
did over the you know, hours and hours I poured it.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, I feel bad.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
I feel bad for CD that that he falls to
the bottom I guess of this big six. But I
was with you though, that was like the sixth that
needed to be at the top. He's another one I'm
surprised by, like his listing of weight, Like is he
really only two hundred pounds? Because he just seems so
much more physical, Like he seems bigger than his listed weight.
And you mentioned maybe the yak wasn't as great a

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year ago.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Who knows if that was.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
I'm not going to say motivation, but just the general
cowboys noess of it all that was like affecting everyone
last season.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
I have no doubt.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Certainly, I think he's going to be helped out by
George Pickens being there. He's obviously so versatile, almost as
versatile as anyone on this list, along with JJ and
Jamar Chase. And that's that's why I think he's part
of the Big Six. You know, the Cowboys always have
one of them, dudes.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
I don't know. There's no word to argue there. I'm
more curious it's got me next.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
The yards after catch stuff too, Like when this offense
is like we've seen this in Dallas, when they don't
have like a lid lifter to go along with him,
even like a Michael Gallup lifted, the whole thing just
gets very, very very condensed. So I think that that
the George Pickens acquisition is huge for that. And yeah,
I mean I wish I could have taken Ceedee Lamb
higher than this because I have such a big respect

(29:11):
for him as a player and people think he's like
just this slot merchant. He actually led the league last
year with five point three yards per route run against
man coverage when lined up outside, Like he could just
run out there and play X receiver every single snap.
But he's weaponized by being a slot receiver, So he
doesn't play there because he has to. He plays there
because he makes the entire offense better when he lines up.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
I don't I don't want to make you feel awkward
or anything harmon, but I just am impressed how you
rip these stats off off the dome, especially when you
knew the Falcons like pass rate on some Matt Ryan
Arthur Smith season that it's impressive, just just giving you.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Respect, all right.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
This is where we get past the first six and
I feel like there's a next group of who knows,
six seven guys. It could be anyone from that group.
Who do you have up next, Matt?

Speaker 3 (29:59):
I'll go with Alan Ross Saint Brown here next too.
I think is just firmly at the top of the
second tier in the NFL. He is so good within
the context of the Lions offense. But I don't think
that that takes away anything from who he is as
a player. He's somebody that's gotten better each and every
season in the NFL. Like when he first hit the
when he first hit the field, he was actually interestingly before,

(30:21):
when Anthony Lynn was the offense coordinator in his rookie year,
he was actually used more on these kind of like
deeper patterns, not necessarily more a little bit more outside.
They didn't quite know what to do with him. And
then after a lot of injuries and then Lynn was
pushed out. Dan Campbell took over the play calling duties.
Ben Johnson was given more power in that building. That's
when they put him in this big slot receiver role,

(30:41):
and he's just continued to thrive every year, and each
year he gets better and better against pressman coverage in
like isolated routes. So I don't really think there's he's
another guy that. Yeah, he plays in the slot, he's
more slot first than Ceedee Lamb is, if that makes sense,
even if Lamb leads the NFL in slot yards over
the last two years. But I do think that he's
probably the best pure slot receiver in the NFL right now.

(31:03):
Is Saint Brown?

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah, the numbers are inarguable. I think you're right. Maybe
maybe this is my bias. I had him just like
I feel like he gets a little underrated. But when
you're comparing him to guys that you would want as
like your number one guy who can do everything, and
he's not necessarily that guy, and I am that person.
Maybe under radium and just have him like a few
spots lower, but either way, he's in that next group

(31:25):
for sure.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
You're up with number eight.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
Patrick, Okay, I will get perhaps controversial. I'll take tyer
Kill here at number eight. I understand that there's been
a falloff and maybe we're at ninety two percent of
Tyreek Kill. Ninety two percent of Tyree Kill is still very,
very good. I feel like most of the falloff was
related to the Miami Dolphins, like as an institution, this
recent edition of him and perhaps devils are probably a

(31:50):
part of the reason that he was trying to extract
himself from that situation at the time to go get
in the different one. But I still think like the
speed numbers, if you go off, you were missing some
of the explosive plays from offense in general. Jalen Waddles
explosive numbers fell off last year as well. I know
he was dealing with an injury, but I do think
Tyreek Hill is still explosive, still very scary like, and

(32:13):
I like him here to.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Day five First team All Pros.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
By the way, another guy who has a pretty air
tight Hall of Fame case. I had him much lower.
I had him outside my top fifteen strictly just based
on age and history that if you go from a
career season and then it's like halved the following year
and you start to have injury problems. The history of

(32:38):
guys at thirty one then bouncing back to being close
to what they were is not great. Now he is
a guy, Harmon, I don't need to tell you like
it was kind of broken, like every rule there is,
Like you just would never have expected this guy at
his size to be as strong as he isn't have
the career that he is. So if someone's going to
break that rule or that line of a guy improving

(33:01):
that much at thirty one, he would be the guy
to do it.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Yeah. My buddy Scott Pianowski Yaho says that once the
cheese goes bad, it usually doesn't get unbad. And I
do think we're I do think we're We've begun the
decline phase of Tyreek Hill, and I just wonder with
you know, everything that's always happening off the field with him,
like if we're going to get another one of those
peak seasons. So yeah, I'm with you, Greg, And I
didn't quite have him like that low, but I had
him lower than here.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
I also have watched him talk this offseason, and I
do fall for this stuff, especially the fact that he
said he didn't prepare for last season as hard as
he should have. I am kind of falling for that.
It's a contract year for him and that he is
going to make do everything possible that he can to
make this season great. And I know Patrick does not

(33:45):
approve that kind of a Now you're just in my head.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
It does look Tyreek Hill previously.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
Yeah, while you said on this Hall of Fame track, yes,
previously not trying.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
My point is he said he didn't prepare, and you
heard some talk that he was a little sloppy and
his preparation going into last year and he was hurt
all the time, and he was a little you know,
he wasn't as explosive. So I'm trusting him as the source.
I don't think I think he's ready.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
I think football is good for you.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
I think the more files play, you're probably not going
to be doing it very well for very long.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Okay, I will take Brian Thomas jun You're off the
board in the top ten.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Here. This guy first game in the NFL. I can remember.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
I could still see it that first touchdown he had.
It's double coverage with Jalen Ramsey and Jordan Poyer, and
he's doing a toe tap at the back of the
goal line, and this was supposed to be some sort
of one trick pony. He hits like a turbo button
when they hit him on some of those slants.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
That is just rare. His ability to change speeds.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
I think there's a lot of conversation about this in
the NBA, and I think it's obviously true in the
NFL too. Your ability to decelerate is a skill like
guys who can drive and decelerate, guys who can run
and decelerate. Obviously that's great on like the stop routes
and everything, but man, he mixes it up. I don't
know if you see that, if the numbers reflect that
harm into me, But I just don't think many people

(35:09):
move like him. He's obviously got like the side, the strength,
and he had the production last year. So to me,
I'm already ready to just like stamp him top ten
going into his second year.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Well, see, Greg, you asked me if I look down
on other people's opinions when they talk about wide receivers.
Can't do that, because shout out to you when I
came on around the NFL to talk about that draft class.
I guess you said like, either you can't draft Brian
Thomas too high, and I was like, well, I mean
he's probably the fourth best guy in the class to me,
So I mean, hey see, I can't. I can't turn
my nose up at any opinion when you had when

(35:40):
you had the best one potentially of that entire draft class.
But yeah, no, I think that Brian Thomas Junior, he
has a real rare skill set. You know, he's a
guy that eighty point eight percent success rate versus press
coverage in his rookie season in reception perception, so like
he can again another guy that is built like a
vertical freak show X receiver but also averaged over ten

(36:01):
yards per target on screen passes, Like you can do
whatever you want with him that. There aren't a lot
of guys that are built to do that. So yeah,
I mean, the sky's the limit for him. I had
him eleventh on my list, so not far behind here.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Okay, yeah, this whole group, and there's another rookie I
feel like from a year ago at least it would
be high. And he's going to be playing with Travis
Hunter right there. Travis Hunter, another wide receiver who can
take a screen a long way he is eligible. If
anyone listening is curious, you know, rookies are eligible to
be taken. Wow, And I feel like, yeah, he's at
least in contention somewhere on this list. Let's go Matt Harmon,

(36:38):
you are up finish out our top ten.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Yeah, I'll go Malik Neighbors here. I'll stick with rookies
from last year. Neighbors by the way, well, I won't
in case I end up taking the guy, I won't
say it.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
But yeah, I mean, you're not sneaking anyone past us.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
We know, like who you know the people are? You
can talk about him, come on.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
You never know. Yeah, Molik Neighbors was awesome as a rookie.
And another guy that I think he.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Who is that you're your deep sleeper like Garrett Wilson
or Ladd McConkie.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
I mean, these are these are big time names.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
I was just gonna say that I think Lad mccakie
was the best rookie wide receiver on film last year. Yes,
And I think that that doesn't mean that he's going
to be the best over the course of the class,
because I think Neighbors and Thomas both have a higher
theoretical ceiling, and I think that Neighbors actually has the
highest ceiling of any of these guys because of his
complete skill set. He's a really good route runner, he's explosive.

(37:34):
He's similar to Chasin that I think he could develop
into one of those guys that you can put the
ball in his hands and he can house it from
any area. I actually think he was underutilized on post
routes last year for obvious reasons, and I'm not one
hundred percent sure than any of the guys under center
for the New York Giants this year are going to
be able to access him in that area. But he's
somebody that is really good on stop routes. He's really

(37:57):
good with the ball in his hands, and actually somebody
that I'm so impressed with the detail in preparation he
puts into being an after catch player, Because typically you
ask these guys like, oh, hey, what goes into what
goes into being a great after catch player? With Neighbors,
he like will actually walk you through the details of
how you watch certain defenders and how to set them

(38:17):
up and things like that. So yeah, very impressed with him.
I think he's another guy that is is already worth
a top ten in this discussion.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Something in that lsu Water who would you have had?
And Ladd'll get taken at some point I would assume
in the next you know, handful of picks, whatever it is,
who would you have chosen between neighbors and Ladd Patrick?

Speaker 5 (38:36):
I would have had neighbors.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Okay, yeah, interesting, But are you I'm crowning him too soon?

Speaker 4 (38:41):
Not to not to diminish Lad mccakey, who's who is
six feet tall and ran a four to three. By
the way, I feel like I need to say that
every time I say Lad mccakey, so people don't act
like he's this five to seven dude that ran like
what barriers ran?

Speaker 5 (38:54):
Yeah, it's like he's out there trying hard. No, like
LADDI mccaukey is an explosive apps a freak.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Same height and weight and some similar numbers to neighbors. Actually,
I don't think they're too different. Yeah no, and all right,
well we'll save our lad talk.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
But eight neighbors getting left.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
I'm surprised, knowing some of your favorites out there Harmon,
that you took him there.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
That shows how much you love neighbors. You have Number
eleven Patrick.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
Well with the number eleven pick, I will take Terry
McLaurin of the Washington Commanders. Kind of unlocked last season
by you know, we might have missed what could have
been with peak Terry, and not that he's significantly declining,
but just the explosiveness, the ability to make those big

(39:37):
catches like with with coverage right there, and he's just
really good. And I'm really glad that we can see
that on a statistical basis because we knew that he
was carrying some pretty awful quarterbacks.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
For a long time.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah, I'm reporting today Pro Football Talk passed along. You know,
he's unhappy with his contract situation. He's missing ots right now.
Not a huge deal. Seems like a contract that will
almost certainly get done by training camp. Wouldn't shock me
if it gets done next week. They want to reward
Terry McLaurin, who is mister Washington right now, and he'll

(40:12):
be like parenially underrated. You know, we were hearing the
Chris westleyan podcast studio. I always remember watching this game
when Chris was recovering from cancer the first time around,
and we were in like Keisha's very temporary apartment and
I think her mom was there as well, helping out,
and we watched Terry on Monday Night Football as a rookie,

(40:33):
and West was just all over like this guy was
just like the most underrated wide receiver in the league,
and that has obviously born out to be true. I'm
gonna take Drake London next, and I'm going off my board.
I actually had a Lad ahead of him, but I
just feel like I don't like seeing for some reason,
Lad's a rookie, he can slide a tiny bit. I
don't want Drake London to slide anymore because I had him,

(40:57):
I think ninth on my list overall, especially seen him
play with Michael Pennix at the end of the year.
Like the reason why London's numbers for the whole season
went up is just because he got those couple of
weeks with Pennix. He finished seven for one oh six
and then ten for one eighty seven against your Panthers
in Week eighteen.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
I guess it was.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
And I went back and like just checked out some
of those games and like, it's all outside the numbers.
It's all these not that Kirk Cousins couldn't throw, but
kind of he couldn't.

Speaker 5 (41:24):
Out to that, not like Mike Dude last year.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
No, and now you're getting to see like the full London,
right harmon, And so I think when that's unlocked, I
actually think for what it's worth, he's just like a
safer pick than even some of these younger guys because
we've seen it year after year and it wouldn't shock
me at all if he goes and has like a
first team All Pro type of season this year.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Yeah. I had London ninth on my list as well.
And I think the best part about his season last
year is, like you said, you got to see all
parts of his game expressed, because when it was Kirk
Cousins under center, you notice that, oh yeah, they're moving
Drake London around. And this was something I hoped happened
when you know that Rams based coaching staff came over
there to the to the Falcons, because I think Arthur

(42:07):
Smith gets too much flak at times, especially from the
fantasy community, but he was just again just isolated, kind
of tethered at that static X receiver spot was Drake
London in his offense, but this offense much more dynamic.
They got him a lot of slot work and when
he was in the slot. Kirk Cousins was just peppering
him on over the middle targets, and that's really where
you can get some great stuff out of Drake London,

(42:29):
because yeah, he is huge, he's great at the catch point.
He can win in those tight coverage ways, but he
is so fluid and just an excellent underneath separator that
he can be a high volume receiver in those ways.
But yeah, then when Penix gets into the mix in
the final three games, then you get to see the
fireworks of him being on these deep, outbreaking routes in
tight coverage. So yeah, I expect if that usage holds

(42:52):
and Pennix can you know, maybe not be a consistently
accurate quarterback, but can access Drake London in those ways,
I think we will easily the best season of his career.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yeah, he's not like Peedicks, is not afraid of throwing
that thing down there to London. So I even if
he's not accurate, like I think, volume wise, it's going
to be there. And it's funny you mentioned Arthur Smith
gets you think, too much grief from the fantasy community,
but he also gets a lot of grief from the
Falcons Like Atlanta fans community and the Steelers fans community.
I would say, I'm like tape heads aren't like huge

(43:22):
Arthur Smith's fans.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
It's been a bad couple of years for Arthur Smith.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Him and Aaron Rodgers now need to join forces that
everything number thirteen you're at Harman.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Yeah, I'll go and I'll go ahead and take lad
mcconkeee here. There's a few big names that he's right
there with. But man, he was so like he was
special as a rookie. He wasn't like like Patrick said,
he gets sort of type cast it as the Jim Ratt, small,
scrappy white slot receiver. But he is a dominant separator.
He was the best in terms of rookies last year

(43:57):
in success rate versus press, coverage and reception perception. He
is also a threat to break multiple tackles and stack
big plays with the ball in his hands. And he's
a monster in tight coverage like contested catch guy despite
the size. So there's really nothing that you would ask
of a wide receiver one that he can't do. So,
like I said, I think he was better than Thomas,

(44:17):
think he's better than neighbors on film last year. That
doesn't mean that he will be best over the course
of his career, but he is certainly with the right
quarterback to do it and a guy that you saw
right away. What I love about McConkey is that he
when he's running these like dig routes or kind of
coming back to the quarterback against his own coverage, he's
always just worked. He's consistently working himself open. Even on

(44:37):
digs where you know he could like go behind that defender,
he always crosses the face. And Herbert just immediately loved that.
So I think that's gonna be a great connection this year.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Yeah, he smoked some really good cornerbacks on outside, you know,
on the outside in single coverage. The only slight concern
is at the end of these games, he was always like,
no one played better limping off the field than Lad McConkie.
He's almost struggled to get through the sixty minutes and
then he would get back to the next game and
it would be fine. And I did see a story

(45:06):
this week his receivers coach Sanjay law is showing him
Tyler Lockett and Julian Edelman tapes about how to avoid
not only avoid hits a little bit because Lockett. You know,
you don't want to be doing like the Lockett slide thing,
but also like diving forward like Edelman had a good
way of not taking big hits while also making plays

(45:29):
and getting those extra couple of yards.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Yeah, he's gonna have to learn to carry the load
of the offense because he was used to being at
George He's the explosive guy at Georgia. You come in
and score and like his first career touchdown the money
oh Ladd call, like he shakes three people down at
the goal line and then dives and he's like he's
always thinking end zone. But it's you know, seventeen games
of that. When you're going to be the team's leading receiver,

(45:52):
it's probably tougher to play like that. And so like
that's that's what leads to it because he there were so
many times where its lad was the only option.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
See we're trying to say though, like hey, he's not
just the white slab receiver. He's clearly not. But then
his coach is showing him Edelman tape. It's like, come on,
help with the narrative. Tyler Lockett actually like a super
charge better being a better Tyler Lockett would be like
an truly incredible career.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
And I think he is already. He's already there was.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
That was my player comparison for him when I charged
him in Tyler Lockett.

Speaker 5 (46:26):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
He's already a better version of offense to Tyler Lockett, who
was incredible at his peak. All right, number fourteen, and
then I'll go and then we're going to take a
quick break.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
Yeah, I'll go ahead and go and go age here,
I'll go. Davante Adams at number fourteen, still contributing. I
think the numbers, of course he's in the Stafford offense,
things are going to go up. He got volumes of
targets late on a bad offense from a quarterback who
was playing middling last season. Where he's getting more targets,
more touches and opportunities than Garrett Wilson, and he's not

(46:57):
that much older than it was at the end of
last season. I think this is a great spot and
I'm very comfortable having DeVante.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Yeah, I had him in this exact same spot, and frankly,
I felt bad almost having him that low because he's
someone that I think when you watched him on tape,
you're like Oh yeah, it's still there. Like maybe it's
ninety percent of Devonte Adams, but that's still awesome, and
he could have had a monster season in a different scenario.
So because it's so similar, I'm just going to go

(47:23):
right into my next pick, which I'm going to take
Mike Evans here, and we are at the point where, like, yes,
it seems crazy. Year after year was Mike Evans like
slightly worse maybe a year ago than he was in
twenty three? Like maybe I don't know, what did you think, harmon,
Like the production was essentially the same except he missed
three games. But I saw everything that you've loved out

(47:45):
of Mike Evans pretty much. So until he actually does
fall off, it feels rude to rank him too much
lower than this.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Yeah, I think twenty twenty three was the best season
of his career and he was right pretty much just
the same player last year. So yeah, no argument here
this is that would have been my next pick as well.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
So much agreement I did hear from someone on Blue
Sky check us all out there. You know, we're we're
having fun that they didn't like it when we agreed
too much on these on these little rankings in the
same games.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
Would you like us to lie and be disingenuous.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Well, they just want some some pops, some disagreement, and
uh yeah, I think you guys are doing a great job,
except the Tyreek was a little bit of a reach.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
All right, let's say quick.

Speaker 6 (48:29):
Break back at NFL Daily.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
The problem with Blue Sky, though, was my fear of
what I thought might happen when I first started, which
is now I'm just like posting to two annoying twitters
like annoying in different ways. Blue Sky I find much
less annoying, but that that was like the worst case scenario.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
And I'm doing it because.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
I'm not a principled or disciplined man and just haven't
given up Twitter cold turkey because I'm looking at it
for information.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
If you're looking at me like I'm principled or disciplined
for not tweeting, you know, elon limited my spread, my reach.
I was getting no engagement, and so like all of
the dopamine hits that I've been getting twelve years, like
they went away, so like there's no point in me
going back.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
I need those hits. That's why we do this, That's
why we got into this game. Marmen, you're at sixteen. Overall,
we're making pretty good pace. I think if we keep
this pace, maybe pick it. I think we can go
to thirty and then we'll send you on your way.
Let's go number sixteen.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Matt Harman, Yeah, I love it. Next to you. Guys
in my list are two i'd love to kind of
sort of buy low on, but I will go with
Garrett Wilson here at this spot. Really good player that
I think last year a lot of unfortunate circumstances for him.
We already talked about the quarterback play, of course, also
this whole discussion about oh Man. You know, he's just

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never where he's supposed to be as a route runner.
I mean, give me a break. I don't know how
like detailed we want this guy to be. But he's
a separator. He's almost always open, and he can make
plays and contest situations. Maybe a little he's been a
little bit more consistent there to truly get into that
first tier of NFL receivers. But he's somebody that if
by the end of the year him and Justin Fields
have a great connection, I think he's about to just

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get like a thirty to thirty three percent target share
in this very run heavy offense. I think he could
be kind of climbing the ranks by the end of
the year.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
I feel like an idiot. This happened.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
This has happened in literally every one of these where
I'm like, oh wait, I forgot Garrett Wilson. He was
much higher on my list. I just like overlooked him.
I had him tenth like three straight years. I just
think the situation has been so bad. I'm with you,
like to come into the league as a stamped one
thousand yard receiver. Do it every single year in different
offensive Corneria is like, you're absolutely right, no offense to
Mike Evans. But actually I would have taken him over

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Evans if I could do it again. But I'm glad
you took him. You're up with number seventeen.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
And maybe maybe I'll offend a couple of players here.
I'll I'll take the number two. I'll take Davonte Smith
here at number seventeen because I think he The perception
of Davante is influenced by the Eagles and the offense,
not just the run heavy nature of the way things go,
but also the fact that he's sharing those targets with

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AJ Brown, And in every situation where DeVante Smith has
been asked to produce, he has done so. When AJ
is out, when the team is only throwing the ball
twenty times a game, he's been producing. He's caught seventy
percent of his targets in the regular season. He's caught
seventy percent of his targets in the postseason. I'll take
Davonte here.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
He's just so I almost feel bad.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
I'm going to take DK Metcalf next, but I just
wanted to talk about them together, because like DeVonta Smith,
DeVante Smith is he's better at like being a wide
receiver than DK Metcalf, for instance. And he's as good
or better at being a wide receiver as a lot
of the people on this list that we've already mentioned.
Like the size is like a small limitation. I guess

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if he was on his own team, I guess that'd
be curious to see what would happen. Like he is
better as a great number two, but wouldn't everyone be
better as a great number two. He's just like so
freaking good that, like, I don't think you can look
at a lot of these guys we've already talked about
even the ones inside the top ten and just at
the pure art of like being a wide receiver, say,

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they're much better than DeVante Smith. So I don't think
that's too high at all. That's exactly where I would
have had him, and DK to me is a little
bit of the opposite of that. I'm curious what you
think Harmon. He hasn't totally improved like to be a
complete wide receiver. Maybe as he's gone along, like I mentioned,
like an Aj Brown has, like I think some other

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players have, and yet he is great at what he
does and has improved to some degree and has expanded
as routry. Where do you think he is at at
this point in his career?

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Yeah, this is the biggest reach relative to my board,
only because the tough part with Metcalf is he's coming
off his worst season and at times I've been a
really big, big defender of his game, and I actually
think he was a little like misunderstood come into the league,
where he was just viewed as this like one trick pony.
He was stiff, uh, because he's always been really good
against press coverage because he's so physical at like the
hand combat portion of it. But uh, he's really taking

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a step back on contested catches the last couple of seasons,
especially last year, and I just to me, there was
just something missing from his game last year. He was
like success rate vers zone coverage plummeted last year. Some
of that was I don't think it was a very
well designed offense. I am certainly willing to chalk that
up to it. But I mean, he got out played
by another receiver on his own team last year, like

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pretty convincingly, so I would not have taken him here.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
I'm hit with the harmony.

Speaker 5 (53:43):
How does that feel?

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Disagree?

Speaker 2 (53:47):
I hope whoever, whichever feels fine.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
I'll defend it because I I it wasn't a good year.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
You're right, and his in Geno's connection was not great.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
I got the sense that they did not see things
the same way. Very often, Gino thought he would do
one thing and he wouldn't do the other, And you
don't want that as a receiver. Ultimately, that's a little
bit of a knock on decay. Well, let's let's talk
about how it's about to be now fair. I really
I'll stand by it because this is exactly where I

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had him.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
I don't feel bad at all. We can all have
different opinions.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
What kills me is that I messed up and forgot
about JSN, So that is completely on me, and I
hope that he gets taken next by Matt Harmon.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
He's not gonna be I'm gonna look I'm gonna look
like an idiot because I just said, like, yeah, decay
Did is not coming off his best year, so I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna take him here. I'm gonna
slam Greg for taking him. I'm actually gonna take Brandon
Ayuke here, certainly not coming off his best year. But like,
this guy was one of the best receivers in football
in twenty twenty three. Like he was incredible. Any efficiency

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metric would tell you that, the eye test would tell
you that he's developed into a truly elite route runner
and set raider, great blocker, Like he is a number
one wide receiver at least he was he was in
that twenty twenty three season. Obviously, things went awry last
year amid the whole contract. I'm sure clay By and
I hope you agree with me on this. I've just
been like rolling my eyes at the whole Oh how

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could I yuke like you he comes in here out
of shape. Just sign him to a contract in the
middle of this offseason, like give him the money then
and he comes in dialed in. We're not having this conversation.
So he is coming off a major injury. He didn't.
I don't really care about the stats from last year
because I think we can chalk that up to just
the weirdness in the offseason. So if this guy gets right,

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I think he can be like a core pivot player
for the San Francisco forty hits, because that's how he
was playing prior to getting that contract extension.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
It's a fascinating, you know, sliding doors moment when he
didn't go to the Steelers that he thought he was
going to the Steelers, the Steelers thought he was going
to the Steelers, and reportedly Kyle Shanahan stepped in at
the last second and kind of made the forty nine
ers keep him. Would that world be like dk Metcalf
would not be on the Steelers, that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
Step in two months before, man, Yeah, what what was
the point of the whole fiasco?

Speaker 5 (56:09):
Like what was accomplished in that?

Speaker 4 (56:10):
Like did you save did you save the forty nine
ers two million dollars? Like like, what I have, No,
I have this protracted situation.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
My guess would be the front office and maybe ownership
even felt differently about him than Shannan. But you're right,
if Shannan has that much juiced to make it happen
in the end, that he's the most important guy. I
think we would all agree that that's the case. He's
I think he has the hammer versus John looks like,
why didn't it happen earlier?

Speaker 4 (56:38):
Would it all have happened if the forty nine ers
had protected properly in the fourth quarter of the Super
Bowl and Brandon Iuk, who absolutely pants to Trent McDuffie
open open wide open to win the Super Bowl on
a touchdown catch, and they don't protect correctly. Chris Jones
sex the quarterback and it's all history and loss.

Speaker 5 (56:57):
There's only one team can win.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
And also the real sliding doors moment, Greg is actually
when Ayuk was posting like Commanders practice film right, because
Buddy Jade Daniel was that's funny, Well, what a moron?
Why do you want to leave San Francisco and go
play for the Commanders? Like imagine Terry McLaurin, Brandon Ayuk,
Jayden Daniels. That's the real sliding doors moment.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
That would have been amazing because, yeah, the Commanders ended
up with the wrong former forty nine er in my mind,
Deebo Samuel. Yeah, and the Steelers KA was like a
nice fallback, but it would have been nice to have
him last year on that team, or or Brandon Ayuk
on that team last year. That's a great call on
the Ayuk in the Super Bowl because I feel like

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Emmanuel Sanders gliding down the field wide open and Jimmy
g not hitting him, lives like so front of mine
for me and gets more pub But Ayuk and the
other one, well, yeah, there's more attention.

Speaker 5 (57:51):
Because we didn't. We didn't we saw that one, right.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
The camera's focus on this all the ball here are
the protection's bad? Yeah, and party's getting sacked. But Brandon
Ayuk was naked in the end. He had I can't
even say the yards of separations because I believe it
was McDuffie. If it's not U Trent, then I'm sorry.
But the defenders on the ground, I'm.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Not really like a forty nine Ers guy versus like
contensus or anything. I definitely don't root for them, but man,
they've had it pretty rough. I feel like they're almost
not owed one. But you know, I would if they
actually get it done at this point, after all the heartbreak,
I would appreciate Patrick, you're Updex.

Speaker 5 (58:28):
I'm gonna take another number two.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
I'm gonna take t Higgins here at this point, I
think back to those chaseless also burrowless eras a couple
of years ago, where it was essentially the offense was
T Higgins. He had the game winning touchdown, extending his
arm from what felt like the five yard line to
the pylon, and he plays with a receiver who's going
to get a lot of a volume and a lot

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of attention, which he should.

Speaker 5 (58:51):
But I feel comfortable taking te Higgins.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
No, that's that's absolutely where I think he should go
as well. I think if he had landed on a
different team, he would have had an extremely like successful career.
He's always been more than a two, which is why
he got the money that he had, and I think
Jackson Smith and Jigba was more than a two. Last
year he was ultimately the best Seahawks receiver. So I'm
doing a first in any of these drafts. I'm going

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to make a trade, actually, for the first time ever
in these drafts, I'm trading to the guy who took
DK eighteenth overall and forgot JSN was still on the board.
I'm at twenty one and I'm going to take Jackson
Smith and Gibber because ultimately, I think he's a more
versatile player who's ascending and showed last year that I
think he's even better than I expected he could be

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at the NFL level, that he can be like a
true one. Like I'm not going to say that he's
a Nico Collins, like he's obviously not that big and physical,
but I just think in the different ways that he
can win on different parts of the field, everything about
him is awesome to me. I'm actually surprised, Harmon, you
didn't take JSN higher, only because I feel like he
is a little bit of a like both a tape

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head darling and an analytics darling. But maybe not you
tell me wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
No, I mean really good receiver. There's just a lot
of really good receivers from the LAFE. Yeah, but yeah, no,
I agree with you about Jaysn, like he's somebody that
has been pigeonholed as a slot only player, but he
was over seventy five percent success rate versus man last
season and as a collegiate prospect in reception perception, and like,
even if you don't buy what I'm selling with success

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rate verse man coverage, you put it in the put
it in the box score. Last year too, he led
all receivers from week ten on in yards per rout
run against man covers. So I really don't have any
hesitation with him playing more outside with Cooper Cup likely
being more of the slot heavy player in Seattle this year.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
And honestly, I think I got great value in the
straight It's just a straight up trade. I'm trading him
from twenty one to eighteen. DK is moving back. We
will put an asterisk on the Delix spankings.

Speaker 5 (01:00:52):
Now, how does he get away with the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Let's go to twenty two Matt Harmon?

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Yeah, I will take here, the guy who from weeks
one to seven was producing like the best receiver in football.
I'll take Chris Godwin here. I don't I love taking
two injured guys with my last two picks. I don't
totally know how I feel about that, but Look, Godwin
is just such a badass. He's so useful in all
phases of playing wide receiver, but he's probably one of,

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if not the best blocking receivers in the league, and
he just adds a whole nother dimension because of that.
He's like, he might be one of the best, if
power slot receivers in the league. Again, he's up there
with like the Saint Browns and those guys. So honestly,
if he had finished out last season at the pace
that he was producing, he would have gone a lot

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earlier than this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Yeah, he's a tough one because the injury depends on
the parameters.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
I do like for posterity.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
This is something I want to look back on a
year from now an NFL daily and like see how
the rankings change. So I'm actually glad you did that
because I was too focused on the injury and just
thinking like, he's not ready for this season. But we
know that receiver is in there and we saw it.
It kind of landed somewhere in between you, right, he
would have been higher. You're up next with twenty three.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
All right, at number twenty three, Speaking of injuries, I
will take Chris O lave at this point a player
that I think due to some organizational malfeasance, we haven't
been able to see the best of. I hope he's safe.
I feel like like the way that he came back
last year kind of put him at risk.

Speaker 5 (01:02:29):
I don't want to see that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
But when he's out there, I still think he's one
of the better receivers in the games.

Speaker 5 (01:02:35):
I'll take herself.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
I don't know, Matt.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
If you have a stat for like percentage success rate
on the like the you know, the comeback like or
the ten yard like the stop routes of like when
the ball is anywhere near Chris a lava on that route,
I believe it's a one hundred percent success right. I've
never seen that play not work with like a halfway
decent thrower quarterback like timing wise, I've never seen in

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that work.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Yeah, And frankly, I think that his connection with Derek
Carr has been like abysmal just for whatever reason, they
had never seen the game the same way. Like there's
probably a larger conversation to have there, but they just
never quite been on the same page. So even like
we'll see if Shuck Tyler Schuck can be as good
as Derek Carr, which is a tough thing to say,

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but it is probably the right thing to say in
this situation. But even if he might not be quote
that good or that productive or whatever, I think he
could have a better connection with Chris All Obviously, I
love Patrick taking him here. He was my next guy
as well. I think you're really underrated at.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
This I had a question mark on him just because
maybe because of the health. But I like that because
I've always been a huge fan. Going into last year,
I believe, you know, we had we had to have
these strong takes and stand on a tiny table show
and I believe one of mine was Chris Olave would
get Offensive Player.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Or the Year votes. So that did not work out
for me or for Derek Carr.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
I am going and this is tough and choosing between
like favorite babies, I think Jalen Wattles just earned a
spot this high.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
We're now getting into like a part of the draft.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
I feel like it's a lot of similar ish guys,
like two pluses, guys who have shown that they can
win really regularly, like the speed you can't you can't
teach that it's special and maybe isn't coming off his
very best season and so that's why like he's a
little lower than that. But like, what do you think,
like a what do you think Jalen Waddle career should

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be like Patrick Clayband like the rest of it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
I think the Jalen Waddle career like the progression of
it where we saw the way things started again. He
was coming off he was coming off that injury that
occurred in his final season in Alabama, dealt with ankle
problems early and it's all these very.

Speaker 5 (01:04:44):
Close to the line of scrimmage targets.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
He got loaded up by targets early on, and it's like, oh, well,
you know, Jalen Waddle around the line of scrimmage. But
that year too was where we saw how explosive he
could be. And then last year again, the total the
whole Dolphins took a comeback, like every everybody's speeding humbers
felled down like were he.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
Moster except John new Smith. Yeah, John Smith comes in
and sax plays for the Miami Dolphins last year where
the John Smith play.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
John Smith trade talks are back on.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
One of the one of the funniest years news stories
in the middle of is John new Smith's agent arguing
with himself or should I say, like, whoever the sources,
I shouldn't assume it's the age Adam Schefter's source arguing
with himself over four different posts of like he's on
the block, he's not on the block.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
He's on the block, he's not on the block. But uh, yes,
Jalen Widow.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
Yeah, And I think the explosiveness is still there, the
separation ability. He's one of the better players in the
league with the ball in his hands in the secondary,
and that explosion I think would have had him higher
up on this list.

Speaker 5 (01:05:48):
If not the.

Speaker 4 (01:05:49):
Dolphins, Uh, just kind of cratering in the middle of
the year last.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Year, right, three thousand yard seasons to start a scare.
Thirteen hundred yards is second season eighteen point one yards
per catch, which led the NFL that great season for
the Dolphins. So whenever it's a young player that's already
established that level of production, I always assume that they
absolutely can do it and will do it again if
they're in the right situation. We have six picks left,

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we're gonna do. We're gonna do a speed round, cause
thirty is a nice number. And just to put the
cards on the table, Eric said, if we can get
to thirty, that graphic's gonna look better that it looks
perfect at p thirty. So we're gonna do six picks quickly,
harming your up first.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
A lot of interesting options here. I typically want to
be conservative with rookies, but I'm not going to be here.
I'm gonna take Travis Hunter at this pick. Just loved
him as a prospect. He will probably be the second
fiddle on his team because Brian Thomas Junior is really
really good. But that could be one of those duos
in a couple years where we're like, oh, these guys

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are both top ten receivers in the NFL. So I
think Travis Hunter is going to be that type of
guy the NFL, and I think that he will primarily
be a wide receiver for the Jacksonville Jaguars. By all
their actions, all their statements have sort of indicated it
that way. Yeah, so I just use a special player.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
I feel like an idiot because all I did was
stick to my board. You know how they the GM's
always brag, oh, we stuck to our board. Well, maybe
sometimes sticking to your board you're being a dumb ass, Like,
why did I I definitely would watch Travis Hunter, but
more it's just more exciting, more higher see it like
no offense to Jalen Wide. It's just a couple of
spots that I had him too. But now I'm almost
mad that that Matt got him in this fictional exercise.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Patrick, you're up.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
Yeah, the training camp interception video was too tantalizing. I
didn't have Travis hun her on m on my list
because it's just like, Wow, this guy's incredible on defense.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
But I had him twenty two. I had him twenty two,
so this is a steal.

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
I will be a dumbass and stick with my board
and take Courtland Sutton here. I think Courtland Sutton physically
could have been higher up on this list, but there's
some issues with his game, but not enough to not
take him here.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Yeah, I love that I had him right around there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Maybe he's not the most complete receiver in the league,
but what he does well, like, it's just outrageous. I
thought that Jordan Addison has been underrated since the minute
he entered the league. He is only turning twenty three
next year. He is my pick here. He's you know,
he's racked up nineteen touchdowns so the yardage production hasn't
been there as much, but just watching him obviously immature
off the field in terms of the speeding arrests, very dangerous,

(01:08:26):
all this stuff. Like he's coming into an important year
for him, but man as as a route runner, as
a number two, I love me some Jordan Addison, feel
great about him. Here, last pick for you, Harmon is
number twenty eight.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
I'll go Zay Flowers here, who was perfectly twenty eight
on my board.

Speaker 5 (01:08:43):
Zoom.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
I think that makes sense. There was there was one
guy I maybe wanted to consider ahead of him, rookie
from last year, A couple of rookies from last year.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Okay, just throw him out there, just give some love.
It's extra Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Ju I think I think about him, can still get
in this discussion, and Romadunz by the end of the year,
I think, wow, a lot higher than this. Yeah. I'm really,
really really excited about Rome based on what you saw
in isolation last year and what he's going to be
probably as the X receiver in this Ben Johnson offense.
But I feel like it's a little disrespectful to not
have Zay Flowers taken even if he is the second
best wide receiver on his team.

Speaker 5 (01:09:15):
That's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
It's so funny.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
I have Harrison one spot below Flowers and yeah, breaking news,
Rashad Baman got another contract. I go, what two people
have supported Rashad Bateman more than Patrick and Matt enjoy us?

Speaker 5 (01:09:32):
Right, Yeah, it took us a while, but we got there.
Shout out to Shot we got there.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Is Yeah, he got his money. Thank thank god, because
it's not going in a good spot.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
But I want to give the Ravens a ton of
credit here for recognizing what a talent he is and
signed him to a three year extension when he still
had a couple of years on his old deal. What
they they surprise us signed him to last year. It
was like a real belief in their own system and
their player giving him that country. But then I realized
it was all some bs CBA chakanery that they're kind

(01:10:04):
of taking advantage that he was on the do not
Report list so he was gonna have to wait nextra
year and they sort of took advantage of that. So
ultimately he's like on Rob Gronkowski's second contract, which was
like the worst contract any player has ever signed. Uh,
But Rashad Bateman. He's not a Hall of Famer. He
can he can he can still you know, make plenty
of that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
That being said, like it was still all last year
during training camp and the offseason is they were like, no,
this is the year like Bateman, all this stuff and
every you know, every knucklehead who doesn't watch the games, like, oh,
we just talking up their for their first round bus.
It's like, no, the Ravens have watched. They've not they've
certainly not read reception perception, but they've watched the games
and saw what reception perception said that. Yeah, that guy

(01:10:46):
is when you just isolate him, he's such a good
route runner, he's such a good separator. So yeah, he's
I'm not going to say would have taken him next, but.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
No, I'm glad you got him into the show.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Here. That contract now I think it was adding three
for thirty six, but now it's like a total of
five for almost fifty which is, Yeah, an incredible deal
for the Ravens. But also they gave him a lot
more guaranteed money and it's great to see him developing.
He had I think he was on a very short
list of guys with you maybe the only guy with
sixteen yards per reception and nine touchdowns. Kind of a
weird slice, but great job. I'm glad he got mentioned,

(01:11:18):
even if he's not in the top thirty. Your final pick,
and you can tell us who you're thinking about here too.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
Yeah, I've got I've got some guys in this range
with Shee, Ryce Stebo, Samuel Jacoby Myers. But I'm gonna
take Jamison Williams just for the sheer explosiveness like that.
That's what we're watching for. Our guys that can run
away from people, get in the paint, and I'll take
Jmo Man.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
I was hoping you would choose between I had Jamison
Williams right there at like thirty two as well, like
right in that group. I was hoping you would choose
between the Colts receivers because I'm thinking about Josh Downs,
I'm thinking about Michael Pittman, I'm thinking about George Pickens.
I really believe it. If it was my team, I
would take Josh Downs. I do think he's let's go

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that good. I think valuing that a slot, you know,
primary position matters, and that he could get to him
aman ra type of level where he like gets an
all pro nod like he has that sort of talent
and has been in a different situation. So as as
much as I like what Pickens does well and think
he could have a monster year, I actually think Downs

(01:12:21):
is even more valuab.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
I feel safer about Josh Downs.

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
I'm glad you mentioned George Pickens because I forgot about
George Pickens. I probably would have seen, probably would have
taken it earlier. I know the situation was horrible.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
I feel I feel bad that Pittman Pickens. I thought
about Khalil Shakir too. You know, love to the slot receivers,
Love to you Harmon. Everyone should check out reception, perception
and then obviously check out what Matt is doing over
at Yahoo.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
What what's what's the summer of Harmon going to be? Like?
Like you got anything planned here? This is time to
get away almost.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Yeah. My my entire family is going on a trip
to Disney World next week. Okay, yeah, that'll be as
as the my wife and I are the childless and
non Disney adults of the family. You know, we'll see,
we'll see what we we can mix it up with there.

Speaker 5 (01:13:11):
Yeah, in the dream, I can't imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Feelings like, I hope the Harmon family doesn't listen to this.
We will be back.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
I think they know where I'm where I'm coming from.
We will be charting.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
Yeah, charting, charting is fun. You got to get away
from charting though for a little bit. I'm glad that
you will. Patrick, You're not getting away at all. You're
You're locked in for the next couple of weeks on
NFL Daily, including a show next week. We're going to
complete that secret weapons episode in I Cannot.

Speaker 6 (01:13:43):
That'll be your next show.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Our next show in this feed will be on Monday morning,
will be with my friend Nick Shook, will wrap up
some news. Next week is almost the end of the
off season. It's mini camps all over the league. And yeah,
when we're finally giving Joshunds the love that only Drake
May has given him before football's back.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
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