May 12, 2025 • 28 mins
Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Adam and Ryan from the Saints Block Party Podcast to react to Derek Carr's surprising retirement from the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're not retiring at least
not from Saints drama anytime soon. I'm Greg Rosenthal, and
I'm a sicko because there is nothing I would rather
be doing on Mother's Day weekend than to be talking
to Difference Adam and Ryan about the surprise retirement of
Derek Carr. Yes, they are from the Saints Block Party podcast. Ryan,
(00:29):
I will start with you. We'll get into all the
nitty gritty, but just what was your first reaction as
you woke up to find out Derek Carr was no
longer a Saint.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Oh man, I was already up.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
We wanted discord, getting after it early in the morning,
talking Saints, and then it just comes out of nowhere. Bro,
It's like this jubilation man, Like okay, any I mean look,
this is not celebrating any injury.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Well, we were done, like we were done with the
Derek Carr experience, hoping it was over and get to
get that like retirement, that kind of clarity. Oh man, Yeah,
beat it brous like mighty, like you said, Man.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Go ahead, Adam.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
I mean I had a drink at ten am.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
He did. I absolutely did what you're talking about. Stop.
It was.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
It was great because just looking back on we talked
about on our show that Derek Carr d eight era
of saintstom was as dark as it has been for
the Saints for a very long period of time, and
that Derek Carr is signing honestly one of the worst signings,
if not the worst signing for the Saints ever as
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a free agent, not even on the field, kind of everything,
the of what it just represented. And so to get
that news that officially he's done, whether he comes back
or not, we'll get into that, like try to play
with the team after the seat for the Saints as
a Saints span, we don't have to deal with him anymore.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Oh okay, okay, let me back it up a second
because I'm asking for your emotional reaction, but let's give
some context to it. So the news comes out that
he is retiring, and the team has a pretty lengthy
statement and they say that Car had a laboral tear
and a degenerative rotator cuff damage to his right throwing shoulder.
(02:29):
It was discovered in late March, according to the Saints,
after Car ramped up his throwing to prepare for the season,
that he had an option for surgery, which would have
jeopardized his whole season, Yet there was no guarantee he
would return to his previous level of strength. So the
Saints interestingly provided a lot more details injury wise than
(02:49):
you would expect. Derek Carr did not so much. He
just had a very straightforward statement, you know, thanking everyone
who'd supported him throughout his career and saying that he retired.
Also learn financially that they will get all the money back,
you know, from this offseason's restructure because he's retiring. You know,
(03:10):
they don't have to pay him that thirty million dollars
that they were going to guarantee him. So he is
choosing on some level and we can get into it
to pass on that thirty million dollars in the end,
though it was reported by by ESPN by New Orleans
Football Nick Underhill, like a few different places our guys
at NFL Network, that the Saints did pay him his
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ten million dollar roster bonus this offseason, and they are
not going to go after that, and they're not going
to go after like the signing bonus that he originally
signed because he's retiring. So in the end, he got
seventy million dollars over two years. They're actually going to
announce the move officially after June first, So the two
sides are kind of it's it's you put it in
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a text, Adam to me, like an somewhat amicable divorce
here where they're both getting a little out of it,
and so they can spread that dead money over for
you know, two years. Kellen Moore did speak on Saturday
and said it only came together in the last couple
of days. I want to get into the car of
it all, like in depth, because that is really the
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interesting part of me. But I think for the average
fan who aren't Saints fans, the Saints part of it
is actually more interesting about the twenty six Saints. So
I actually want to start there and then we'll back
up to the car of it all. And now you
look at the Saints and they have a quarterback competition
in theory Tyler Shuck Spencer Rattler, and we'll see if
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they added a veteran to this group. Kellen Moore said
he was open to it and they'll look at it.
But who knowsh what does this make you think about
the twenty six Saints because I saw some people feel
they eights others thrown out there like now it makes time.
The Saints are really going to do that reset that
we've been talking about for years. I'm like, that is
not the Saints. M That is not what the Saints
are going to do. What do you think at it?
Speaker 5 (04:58):
That's just not how making them is oper It's not
how they do things. They are going they want to
Mickey Limits wants to win the NFC South whatever whatever
that means.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
So I think.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
They'll you your tweet on Twitter. Your tweet on Twitter
encapsulated the things perfectly, like, oh there's cap space, Oh
we need weapons. Maybe there's a Keenan Allen out there.
Maybe we'll try to go get weapons for whoever the
quarterback is. Maybe we'll try to get more defensive help
and try to win the South and just be competitive.
(05:29):
And that's just what their MO is, because this team
is just so much about job preservation and protecting their
desks rather than actually trying to like compete for championships.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That that's what their their.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
MO is in their DNA, and I think that's what
their their their mantra is going to be for the
upcoming twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
But it's too late too that Cam Jordan's coming back,
Ryan to Mario Davis is coming back, Honey Badger's coming back.
Alvin Kamara just got a new contract, Like I kind
of they brought in they brought in Brandon Cooks. I mean,
they still got like twenty thirteen Saints on this roster.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
See on the team twenty I don't know when he
got drafted.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I mean Taysom Hill I kind of forgot Taysom Hill
is actually still on the roder. So they're not gonna
reset there, They're not gonna rebuild. What are you excited
at least about the quarterback competition?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Kind of?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
How does it make you feel differently about this team
at least for this season.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I mean, that's the most.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Exciting part about it is not just we don't have
to deal with Carr, because we knew that if Carr
was going to be available, he was going to start.
You know, Mickey Luman said it in the post draft
presso like, if cars available, he's going to start, Which
is crazy that a GM is saying that, But anyway, right, yeah, exactly,
(06:38):
And that's the exciting in say, but that's the exciting
part man, like we finally get Spencer Railer versus Tyler Shuck.
See you want to feel about Charler Shuck, Adam and Ryan,
I mean me and me and Adam.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I love you guys being big enough to go third person.
Every everyone should be signed up for their Patreon. By
the way, Saints party, I mean he was there on
the discord this morning before that that even happened apparently,
So continue on about the KBA competition.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
No, like Tyler Shuck, Like, look, he was very the divisive,
divisive pick. Like among Saints fans, you know a lot
of them didn't love, a lot of them wanted to
George Sanders and you know, look he's twenty six, going
to be twenty six year old. It's not the sexiest
quarterback pick, but look he's there. He's gonna be your rookie.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
You know that.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Spencer Raandler another divisive figure, you know who showed a
little promise last year. I think if you look at
a certain way, I'm gonna be coming in with the
healthy roster. A real competition, a real competition. Now, will
it be treated like a real, real competition with Tyler
Shuck as a second round quarterback versus a fifth round
quarterback from last year who wasn't there for the coaching
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staff that's currently there.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I mean, we know I didn't go.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
No, yeah, it's not happening.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I've actually been surprised to hear you guys over the
last few weeks kind of talk about that, and I'm
just thinking, I don't need to know any You guys
have sources in the building and you know the dynamics
better than me, But I don't need to know dynamics
to know, Like, that's Tyler Shuck's job as long as
he's healthy, because he's a second round pick and Kellen
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Moore took him. Now, if he gets hurt or he
just totally bombs out in training camp or something and
Rattler's looking good, like they'll be open minded enough to
maybe change their mind. But that's just how the NFL
works that way. This is the one thing that Kellen
Moore has done is hand picked Tyler Shuck. So what
a crazy what a crazy come up that he might be,
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along with Cam Moore, the only week one starting quarterback.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
What does that make you? How does that make you
feel out?
Speaker 5 (08:42):
I'm fine for it in theory because the one thing
about Tyler Shuck if you just watch him, is the
thing that he struggles the most with this pressure, which
any quarterback struggles with.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Right, And so we had we discussed this on draft
and night.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
We're like, oh, you know, our teams drafted offensive linemen
who may have to like shift into the interior if
they don't work out, like woo who, But at least
you have that your franchise quarterback, right like Drake Mays
that dude, we'll see on Tyler Shuck. I think the
thing that annoys both Ryan and I the most is.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Like almost every team.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
In the NFL in the draft, the Patriots, the Bears,
the Texans, almost every team like flooded their young quarterback
in the NFL with weapons. And you have the Saints,
who dealt with this last year with Crystal Live, with
Rashid Shaheid, with Taysom Hill, like when the weapons got hurt,
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like the offensive ak they were throwing to like Jags,
like the team just had no one and like their
solution was like, oh, okay, well we signed Brandon Cooks.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
In the off season like that that was it. And
so yeah, who was also hurt last season?
Speaker 5 (09:59):
So so and so then you had Mickey limits, like
in the postgame, like the postseason presser was just like
oh well, like like fell back on the injury excuse.
And it's like you just drafted a quarterback in the
second round and they went all defense.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
And I'm not saying that defense doesn't matter. It does.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
But it's a weird team construction of how to build
a team.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
It's it's really weird too because in theory, yeah, it's
a new regime. It's it's Kellen Moore, it's Brandon Staley.
On the defensive side, We'll see this defense. It could
be good, it might be terrible, it could be anywhere
in between. I'm not really sure considering the age of
the team. In Staley's history has been up and down,
but he was better at as a coordinator. Like we'll
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see like this, this team could in theory be contending
for a top five overall pick, and then Tyler Shok's
gonna look like a second round bridge quarterback, which I'm
not in love with him as a player. The evaluation,
I think, off think you got taken like I think
it was a bad pick.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
I don't think it's going to work out personally. I
might be wrong.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
But the principle of taking the quarterback there, I don't
hate it because I'm someone who says, keep trying until
you get one, and if he winds up being a
bridge to a top five or six quarterback, that's great.
That the issue is though, like it's not a reset
because Mickey Loomis is there. He's the one talking about
the quarterback competition. He's the one making all the decisions,
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and it could be something where all these guys get
blown out the building after one year, or you're not
really rebuilding and then you're picking the new quarterback and
you just wasted a year.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
So that's all weird.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
And they're in this spot by mistake because I know
it was the best outcome Adam for them on May tenth,
But this was not the best outcome coming into the
off season, because the best outcome would have been just
cutting your ties with Derek Carr to begin with, but
they wanted him to come back, and they're kind of
getting bailed out a little bit by Derek Carr choosing
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to retire.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
No no, no, no, don't say a little bit. Don't
say a little bit, A lot of bit, a lot of.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Bit, Okay, But they also I guess. I guess if
they had just made the decision to move on from car,
which would have been the decision I believe, like thirty
one other teams would have made if they had made
that decision back in February. I don't know how their
off season would have been different, but you figure it
would have been different. And so they're still kind of
paying paying for that. But I guess after the fact
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that he's bailing them out.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
I guess, Okay, so the difference would have been because
this is what I this is what we've heard, is
that they wouldn't have been able to sign to Justin Reid.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
They maybe don't.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
They don't they're not, like their cap situation is different,
so they're not able to be as active in free
agency as they were able to be.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
So they don't get Justin Reid. Maybe they don't get
bread and.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Cooks and so with the we also just talked about
just frame it like this that Mickey Limis was guaranteeing
Derek Carr forty million dollars who had like a degenerative
like shoulder injury, Like like, are we like, are we
like gat like loossing over the fact.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Well, but they say they don't know it.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
They say they didn't know it, right, And I guess
they didn't know it, because why would they give it
to him if they knew it.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
But isn't that d up itself? Like NFL. That's that's
the problem, right. Wait, that's why that's why I say
he's getting bailed out.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I mean, that was a it was looking like they
were going to have to pay forty million dollars to
Derek Carr while he sits on IR this year, you
know what I'm saying, Like that's that was probably going
to be the outcome. And he again, he gets bailed
out Linked Loomis gets bailed out by the football guys
or whatever's.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
And I get it, that was his money anyway, that
was a contract and all that, but it's just like
it's a lot of mouthfeasons that went on that they
get bailed out for.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Ultimately, Yeah, and they still even though they're getting bailed out,
they have fifty million dollars in dead money after only
getting two years of Derek Carr. So they paid Derek
Carr seventy million dollars, but now they have fifty million
dollar in dead money and the bailout is that it's
not eighty It would have been eighty million dollars in
dead money, and instead it's fifty. And because they're playing
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ball with each other, they can spread that out over
two years and it's it's not that crazy, but it's
like at least you know, the Patriots when they had
to eat their Tom Brady dead money, or the Bucks
when they had to eat their Tom Brady dead money,
or the Saints when they had to eat their Drew
Brees money, or the Packers when they had to eat
their Aaron Rodgers money, or even the Falcons when they
ate their Matt Ryan Man. It's like they got great
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production out of those guys. They're supposed to be like
some sort of trade off, and they didn't get any
of that trade off.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Inteen and thirteen Greg fourteen and thirteen is what they got.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Okay, Well, that actually, you know, bumped up his winning
percentage as a pro quite a bit. Because I don't
I don't want to talk about Derek Carr's career necessarily
as it's as this fits over, because I do wonder
if he's going to come back. We'll get to that
in a minute. But I actually did some stats because
I was serious about it. And since you're talking winning percentage,
he's twenty eighth all time and NFL starts, that's a lot.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
That's like twenty.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Among those quarterbacks, only one had a worse winning percentage
for his team. And you know, I'm not all about
QB wins, but over that amount of starts, like, you
want to win more games than you lose, and he lost.
I think you think he was fifteen hunder five hundred.
Vinnie Testa Verdi at a worse. If you expanded out
to include all the quarterbacks who had one fifty starts
all time, which he was pretty he wasn't that far
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above that. Jim Everett, Chris Chandler, norm Sneed, Bob Ferguson
also would have been below him. And he played that
one postseason game with the Raiders where they came up short.
So it's just kind of a bit of a Star
Cars career where Derek Carr got the bag and now
he's moving away. Let's kind of get into what happened here, Ryan,
because like the thing that was strange about it was
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all this talk this offseason that he was maybe looking
to take a deal elsewhere, So I something's not quite
out up with the injuries and the idea that maybe
he would play elsewhere, but he didn't want to play
on the Saints. And now he's retiring. But a couple
of weeks ago, even the Saints were saying it was
all happening, like, give me something to make sense.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
It's something is still fishy about this whole thing, because
he did he wanted to leave.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
He wanted to leave.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Back in early March, he was upset that the Saints
restructured his deal and kept him signing. Then after that
he founds out, finds out he has, you know, the
issue with his shoulder, and then it's like everything's all good.
We still I still want to be with you guys.
No that I mean something's something's missing there, like some
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some kind of part of the story is missing there.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Ultimately, the Saints sort of agreed to give him this
ten million dollars. Now, what what do you what do
you think went into that, Adam.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Just using the analogy from our group text, I think
both sides wanted to walk away from the situation. Out
of all three of us in this podcast, only one
of us have been through a divorce, and sometimes in divorces,
you know, when before things get really bad and really messy,
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sometimes cooler heads can prevail and both sides can come
to the sable and say, listen, I'm willing to concede
this point and we can walk away with us both
kind of essentially.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Getting what we want.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
And I think that ten million dollars was the Saints
kind of conceding when saying we'll give you we'll give
you this ten million dollars. We don't we won't fight
you on it, we'll give you this car kind of
gets what he wants and he doesn't play for the
Saints because that's something that he wanted. That I heard
as soon as Dennis only got fired back in November
of last year, twenty twenty four. He hits to him,
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his time with the Saints was done, like to him,
him in DA was a package deal, which is a
very weird thing to tie your your your legacy to
like one of the worst that.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Was the ball time.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
But whatever, and so he gets what he wants and
he just kind of do his thing in Bakersfield and
and you know, recover and heal the Saints, get to
you know, get to recoup the money back and kind
of spread spread the money and his salary over the
next two seasons, and if Derek Carr really potentially wants
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to come back and play football, then he has that
option to try to maybe do that after after next
season as well. So both kind of sides in a weird,
in a very weird way, they kind of get what
they want in a weird like little myrtle myrtle uh.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Settlement, except except for Mickey, who for whatever reason just
was dying to have Derek Carby.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Quarterly Weird Weird Greg so weird.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
You reported that the organization was not all aligned on that.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
That was that was Mickey really who wanted to literally literally.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Was everyone except Mickey that.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
See, that's so messy, and it's it's so strange. And
I actually, you know, my first reaction to this was,
you know, given Derek Carr some credit that, look, he's
he doesn't he clearly doesn't want to play, he doesn't
want to play for the Saints, and to give all
that guaranteed money back, like, you just don't see that
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too often ultimately, and I kind of thought, look, he's
probably in a situation where he knows like the upside
of this situation is not that great, and It reminded
me a little bit of that scene with Cuddy, if
you guys remember from the wire when when he retired
the game the game is not in me, no no more,
And I was this thing and like, the game is
probably not in Derek Carson Moore and you you talked
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to X football players. That happens at some point. It's
brutal and all this stuff, and I think it's just
not in so more. But then then you do hear
about these reports that he was trying to play elsewhere
this offseason, and so then it seems it's a little
more like the Saints, and it seems it's a little
more like another guy who retired from the Saints and
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then was back collecting checks in the NFL pretty quickly,
which was Sean Payton, Like he just wanted to get
away from the Saints too. So it's not like the
greatest sign ever that your organization is having like a
head coach and a starting quarterback just retire to kind
of not work for you anymore in the matter of
a couple of years, that great sign, right, I think.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
That might be like more of a Rick Mickey Loomis.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Sure, but he is the organization he exactly.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yes, Like that that's the thing where I think people thinking, Okay,
now it's time to reset. It's like at some point
that'll happen, but they haven't really, they haven't really changed.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Man. It's really sad too, because I mean, you had
like a great what eighteen nineteen year stretch Drew Brees,
Sean Payton, Mickey Loomis got to look like one of
the better GMS in the league over that time, and
now he's doing you know, the Jerry Cross thing where
he's just he's just trying to prove that he's like
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like the Saints on like the Steelers. But I'm like,
even the Steelers don't want to be the Steelers right now.
Even Steelers fans are annoyed with where they are. Like
it's like at some point that you need some kind
of French innovative, innovative thinking and something like that, and it's.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Just none of that. None of that is going on
with the Saints. And I mean we just keep hearing.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
About our people don't want to work with Mickey Loomis,
you know, and it just keeps popping up, and I mean, look,
we don't even have to say it.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Just look at what's happening. Look at what's happening right now.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah, but like if Tyler Shut goes out there like
we two the preseason, he starts looking good. Some of
the veterans, the Mario and and Cam are kind of
looking like you guys will be fired up.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Like what do you kind of think about this? What
do you think about this Saints team?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Now?
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Do you think the twenty twenty Because I look at
this division and I think that the Bucks are a
legit good team.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Now it's actually a good roster coming back.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
It's not just this wide I don't think it's this
wide open NFC sound. I frankly would be surprised if
the Bucks, I'll just start there like had like a
losing re Like I think they're a winning team. I
think they got a chance to be upper tier contender.
And the Falcons, we'll see how good Pennix is. But
on paper, like they're thinking they're going to compete. Obviously,
the Panthers are hoping they're going to be better. So
even though yeah, Adam, like the Saints are looking at
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this best case scenario where they're trying to get to
eight nine wins, Like I don't think it's as easy
as it would have been a year ago or even
two years ago.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Man, we have talked about this at nauseum until until
we see differently. I don't want to speak for I am,
but like we squint, but they look like a four
to five win team right now, like like like they
just look like they may be picking top five and
that's like a top like it just like if you
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just look at their if you look at their schedule,
like it's hard to find the wins. It's hard to
find the wins.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
No, will the.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
NFL things turn around? And uh, and it might be
the right year to do it. Not because of Arch Manning,
who most people that seem to know anything about him say,
like he's not gonna come out in the draft next year,
like he's gonna say, but it's a good quarterback class. Anyways,
where we'll we'll see. But there there could be a
handful of options.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Two things I will say, if they have invested there,
there potentially are four four first round picks that they're
going to have on the offensive line. If that offensive
line is not a weapon at this point like it
should be, that's that's one of the ways that they
should potentially if they're going to be a good team,
that's the way that they should be a good team,
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I hear you.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
And maybe they'll get coached up to do it. But
one of those first rounders is Trevor Penning. One of
them Caesar Ruiz, who's been up and down. One of
them has never played in the NFL. So like, yeah,
you're excited, Kevin Banks, but you never play the other
run miss most the last year with an injury. Said,
I'm sorry, I'm beating the downer. This team fascinates me
though I love the mess. Is there a part of
you Ryan that just loves loves the mess of it?
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Man like?
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Especially if like a content creator and.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Right for us, you wake up on like a boring
Saturday and it's just like boom, he goes some news,
you know, But there's always something with the Saints, man like, And.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Look the division.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
To think about the division, they all got better to be,
Like the Falcons got up, got better. They might actually
have pass shorts this year, like you said, the Tampa
Bay Bucks. They've just been consistently getting better every year.
Even the Panthers, man Like, I think the Panthers, like,
I'm not saying they're gonna win a crap a little
of games with like it wouldn't shock me if they
won like eight games this year, you know what I'm saying.
And so the Saints got an uphill battle. But I text,
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I told Adam yesterday, like it would be cool if
the Saints just had like a fun season like twenty
seventeen Saints where nobody's expecting anything, but then young workies
come in play. Well, you win a couple of games,
and I'm not even worried about the wins, but it's
just fun for fun, you know, saying defense is feisty,
Branded Staley, Kelly Moore's cooking it up. You know, got
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a young running back and Devin Neil up six you
know sixth rown, he's looking good. Tyler s is slinging it.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Let's go, let's go on.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Maybe it's Spencer Randa either what either one man, like,
just give me something fun to watch, please?
Speaker 5 (25:23):
If what tell you what the Panthers did in the
second half of the season when young started cooking of
last season, but like maybe extrapolate that for like some
of next season for the Saints. That would be a win.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Forc Like if and if shuck played well enough to
give them a tough decision next year. Uh in the draft.
Then that's that's a great outcome. I mean, you know,
I hate to say it, but I told y'all, you know,
when when Derek Carr was signing, You're like, finally we
got a professional quarter.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Like that's all we wanted.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
And I was like, I don't know if he's better
than Andy Dalton, like right now.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Able to try. My man was all over.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I apologize to Andy Doton.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I was wrong. I'm taking Ady Dolton.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
And I do feel for car because he is and
was just good enough throughout his career to not be
good enough and not quite get over the hump for
the teams that really believed him. And look, he got
paid well and he put his body on the line
and all that. So it's, you know, it's the trade
(26:29):
off of being an NFL player. But he was a
little starcross with Raiders and then at this point in
his career with this Saints organization that just like the
one time it really all came together for him. He
got hurt in that twenty sixteen season when he was
probably going to get some MVP votes and he didn't
get to start that playoff game, and he was cooking.
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And I always thought he was like a limited skill
set guy because he wasn't great under pressure, but he
was very athletic, could make all the throws, could run.
And then the one other time it kind of came
together for him that the offense was a really dangerous,
if weird offense because it was so stationed. The station
was with John Gruden, and like that that couldn't last
for him either because because Gruden blew it up and
(27:13):
and that one playoff memory was him, yeah, throwing throwing
short of the end zone on that fourth down because
they had a chance to beat the Bengals before the
Bengals got all the way to the super Bowl. So
you do feel because you don't want to see a
career end like that. And yet I just have a
hunch maybe maybe we're not done with Derek Carr.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Maybe he'll be back.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Munch a small hunch.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Maybe he'll be like my colleague, his brother David, and
he'll end up as a backup on some great team
and go win a Super Bowl in a couple of years,
like like David did for the Giants.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
So we don't know. I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I appreciate my producer to Eric Roberts, making the time
on Mother's Day weekend. I know this is not what
he necessarily was expecting this weekend, but I appreciate y'all
too for coming on board. And I'm telling everyone says
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the Patreon there, you got the discord, but just just
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(28:08):
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Speaker 5 (28:13):
Appreciate shout out to all the mothers who are uh
or just in general, just shout out to all the
mothers whenever you all listen to this.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Appreciate y'all. Happy Mother's Day.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Yes, yes, Happy, Happy birthday? Happy? Whose birthday is it?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It's Austin James's birthday, Eric's son. In a couple of
weeks like whose birthday is a Happy mother's day?
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Oh man?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
When we're when we're doing it. When Darren Cars retiring
on a Saturday, it's a news dump retirement.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
You know, Football's back
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're not retiring at least
not from Saints drama anytime soon. I'm Greg Rosenthal, and
I'm a sicko because there is nothing I would rather
be doing on Mother's Day weekend than to be talking
to Difference Adam and Ryan about the surprise retirement of
Derek Carr. Yes, they are from the Saints Block Party podcast. Ryan,
(00:29):
I will start with you. We'll get into all the
nitty gritty, but just what was your first reaction as
you woke up to find out Derek Carr was no
longer a Saint.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Oh man, I was already up.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
We wanted discord, getting after it early in the morning,
talking Saints, and then it just comes out of nowhere. Bro,
It's like this jubilation man, Like okay, any I mean look,
this is not celebrating any injury.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Well, we were done, like we were done with the
Derek Carr experience, hoping it was over and get to
get that like retirement, that kind of clarity. Oh man, Yeah,
beat it brous like mighty, like you said, Man.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Go ahead, Adam.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
I mean I had a drink at ten am.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
He did. I absolutely did what you're talking about. Stop.
It was.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
It was great because just looking back on we talked
about on our show that Derek Carr d eight era
of saintstom was as dark as it has been for
the Saints for a very long period of time, and
that Derek Carr is signing honestly one of the worst signings,
if not the worst signing for the Saints ever as
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a free agent, not even on the field, kind of everything,
the of what it just represented. And so to get
that news that officially he's done, whether he comes back
or not, we'll get into that, like try to play
with the team after the seat for the Saints as
a Saints span, we don't have to deal with him anymore.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Oh okay, okay, let me back it up a second
because I'm asking for your emotional reaction, but let's give
some context to it. So the news comes out that
he is retiring, and the team has a pretty lengthy
statement and they say that Car had a laboral tear
and a degenerative rotator cuff damage to his right throwing shoulder.
(02:29):
It was discovered in late March, according to the Saints,
after Car ramped up his throwing to prepare for the season,
that he had an option for surgery, which would have
jeopardized his whole season, Yet there was no guarantee he
would return to his previous level of strength. So the
Saints interestingly provided a lot more details injury wise than
(02:49):
you would expect. Derek Carr did not so much. He
just had a very straightforward statement, you know, thanking everyone
who'd supported him throughout his career and saying that he retired.
Also learn financially that they will get all the money back,
you know, from this offseason's restructure because he's retiring. You know,
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they don't have to pay him that thirty million dollars
that they were going to guarantee him. So he is
choosing on some level and we can get into it
to pass on that thirty million dollars in the end,
though it was reported by by ESPN by New Orleans
Football Nick Underhill, like a few different places our guys
at NFL Network, that the Saints did pay him his
(03:30):
ten million dollar roster bonus this offseason, and they are
not going to go after that, and they're not going
to go after like the signing bonus that he originally
signed because he's retiring. So in the end, he got
seventy million dollars over two years. They're actually going to
announce the move officially after June first, So the two
sides are kind of it's it's you put it in
(03:50):
a text, Adam to me, like an somewhat amicable divorce
here where they're both getting a little out of it,
and so they can spread that dead money over for
you know, two years. Kellen Moore did speak on Saturday
and said it only came together in the last couple
of days. I want to get into the car of
it all, like in depth, because that is really the
(04:14):
interesting part of me. But I think for the average
fan who aren't Saints fans, the Saints part of it
is actually more interesting about the twenty six Saints. So
I actually want to start there and then we'll back
up to the car of it all. And now you
look at the Saints and they have a quarterback competition
in theory Tyler Shuck Spencer Rattler, and we'll see if
(04:35):
they added a veteran to this group. Kellen Moore said
he was open to it and they'll look at it.
But who knowsh what does this make you think about
the twenty six Saints because I saw some people feel
they eights others thrown out there like now it makes time.
The Saints are really going to do that reset that
we've been talking about for years. I'm like, that is
not the Saints. M That is not what the Saints
are going to do. What do you think at it?
Speaker 5 (04:58):
That's just not how making them is oper It's not
how they do things. They are going they want to
Mickey Limits wants to win the NFC South whatever whatever
that means.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
So I think.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
They'll you your tweet on Twitter. Your tweet on Twitter
encapsulated the things perfectly, like, oh there's cap space, Oh
we need weapons. Maybe there's a Keenan Allen out there.
Maybe we'll try to go get weapons for whoever the
quarterback is. Maybe we'll try to get more defensive help
and try to win the South and just be competitive.
(05:29):
And that's just what their MO is, because this team
is just so much about job preservation and protecting their
desks rather than actually trying to like compete for championships.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That that's what their their.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
MO is in their DNA, and I think that's what
their their their mantra is going to be for the
upcoming twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
But it's too late too that Cam Jordan's coming back,
Ryan to Mario Davis is coming back, Honey Badger's coming back.
Alvin Kamara just got a new contract, Like I kind
of they brought in they brought in Brandon Cooks. I mean,
they still got like twenty thirteen Saints on this roster.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
See on the team twenty I don't know when he
got drafted.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I mean Taysom Hill I kind of forgot Taysom Hill
is actually still on the roder. So they're not gonna
reset there, They're not gonna rebuild. What are you excited
at least about the quarterback competition?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Kind of?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
How does it make you feel differently about this team
at least for this season.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I mean, that's the most.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Exciting part about it is not just we don't have
to deal with Carr, because we knew that if Carr
was going to be available, he was going to start.
You know, Mickey Luman said it in the post draft
presso like, if cars available, he's going to start, Which
is crazy that a GM is saying that, But anyway, right, yeah, exactly,
(06:38):
And that's the exciting in say, but that's the exciting
part man, like we finally get Spencer Railer versus Tyler Shuck.
See you want to feel about Charler Shuck, Adam and Ryan,
I mean me and me and Adam.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I love you guys being big enough to go third person.
Every everyone should be signed up for their Patreon. By
the way, Saints party, I mean he was there on
the discord this morning before that that even happened apparently,
So continue on about the KBA competition.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
No, like Tyler Shuck, Like, look, he was very the divisive,
divisive pick. Like among Saints fans, you know a lot
of them didn't love, a lot of them wanted to
George Sanders and you know, look he's twenty six, going
to be twenty six year old. It's not the sexiest
quarterback pick, but look he's there. He's gonna be your rookie.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
You know that.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Spencer Raandler another divisive figure, you know who showed a
little promise last year. I think if you look at
a certain way, I'm gonna be coming in with the
healthy roster. A real competition, a real competition. Now, will
it be treated like a real, real competition with Tyler
Shuck as a second round quarterback versus a fifth round
quarterback from last year who wasn't there for the coaching
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staff that's currently there.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I mean, we know I didn't go.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
No, yeah, it's not happening.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I've actually been surprised to hear you guys over the
last few weeks kind of talk about that, and I'm
just thinking, I don't need to know any You guys
have sources in the building and you know the dynamics
better than me, But I don't need to know dynamics
to know, Like, that's Tyler Shuck's job as long as
he's healthy, because he's a second round pick and Kellen
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Moore took him. Now, if he gets hurt or he
just totally bombs out in training camp or something and
Rattler's looking good, like they'll be open minded enough to
maybe change their mind. But that's just how the NFL
works that way. This is the one thing that Kellen
Moore has done is hand picked Tyler Shuck. So what
a crazy what a crazy come up that he might be,
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along with Cam Moore, the only week one starting quarterback.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
What does that make you? How does that make you
feel out?
Speaker 5 (08:42):
I'm fine for it in theory because the one thing
about Tyler Shuck if you just watch him, is the
thing that he struggles the most with this pressure, which
any quarterback struggles with.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Right, And so we had we discussed this on draft
and night.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
We're like, oh, you know, our teams drafted offensive linemen
who may have to like shift into the interior if
they don't work out, like woo who, But at least
you have that your franchise quarterback, right like Drake Mays
that dude, we'll see on Tyler Shuck. I think the
thing that annoys both Ryan and I the most is.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Like almost every team.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
In the NFL in the draft, the Patriots, the Bears,
the Texans, almost every team like flooded their young quarterback
in the NFL with weapons. And you have the Saints,
who dealt with this last year with Crystal Live, with
Rashid Shaheid, with Taysom Hill, like when the weapons got hurt,
(09:40):
like the offensive ak they were throwing to like Jags,
like the team just had no one and like their
solution was like, oh, okay, well we signed Brandon Cooks.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
In the off season like that that was it. And
so yeah, who was also hurt last season?
Speaker 5 (09:59):
So so and so then you had Mickey limits, like
in the postgame, like the postseason presser was just like
oh well, like like fell back on the injury excuse.
And it's like you just drafted a quarterback in the
second round and they went all defense.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
And I'm not saying that defense doesn't matter. It does.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
But it's a weird team construction of how to build
a team.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
It's it's really weird too because in theory, yeah, it's
a new regime. It's it's Kellen Moore, it's Brandon Staley.
On the defensive side, We'll see this defense. It could
be good, it might be terrible, it could be anywhere
in between. I'm not really sure considering the age of
the team. In Staley's history has been up and down,
but he was better at as a coordinator. Like we'll
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see like this, this team could in theory be contending
for a top five overall pick, and then Tyler Shok's
gonna look like a second round bridge quarterback, which I'm
not in love with him as a player. The evaluation,
I think, off think you got taken like I think
it was a bad pick.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
I don't think it's going to work out personally. I
might be wrong.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
But the principle of taking the quarterback there, I don't
hate it because I'm someone who says, keep trying until
you get one, and if he winds up being a
bridge to a top five or six quarterback, that's great.
That the issue is though, like it's not a reset
because Mickey Loomis is there. He's the one talking about
the quarterback competition. He's the one making all the decisions,
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and it could be something where all these guys get
blown out the building after one year, or you're not
really rebuilding and then you're picking the new quarterback and
you just wasted a year.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
So that's all weird.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
And they're in this spot by mistake because I know
it was the best outcome Adam for them on May tenth,
But this was not the best outcome coming into the
off season, because the best outcome would have been just
cutting your ties with Derek Carr to begin with, but
they wanted him to come back, and they're kind of
getting bailed out a little bit by Derek Carr choosing
(11:58):
to retire.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
No no, no, no, don't say a little bit. Don't
say a little bit, A lot of bit, a lot of.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Bit, Okay, But they also I guess. I guess if
they had just made the decision to move on from car,
which would have been the decision I believe, like thirty
one other teams would have made if they had made
that decision back in February. I don't know how their
off season would have been different, but you figure it
would have been different. And so they're still kind of
paying paying for that. But I guess after the fact
(12:25):
that he's bailing them out.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
I guess, Okay, so the difference would have been because
this is what I this is what we've heard, is
that they wouldn't have been able to sign to Justin Reid.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
They maybe don't.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
They don't they're not, like their cap situation is different,
so they're not able to be as active in free
agency as they were able to be.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
So they don't get Justin Reid. Maybe they don't get
bread and.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Cooks and so with the we also just talked about
just frame it like this that Mickey Limis was guaranteeing
Derek Carr forty million dollars who had like a degenerative
like shoulder injury, Like like, are we like, are we
like gat like loossing over the fact.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Well, but they say they don't know it.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
They say they didn't know it, right, And I guess
they didn't know it, because why would they give it
to him if they knew it.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
But isn't that d up itself? Like NFL. That's that's
the problem, right. Wait, that's why that's why I say
he's getting bailed out.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I mean, that was a it was looking like they
were going to have to pay forty million dollars to
Derek Carr while he sits on IR this year, you
know what I'm saying, Like that's that was probably going
to be the outcome. And he again, he gets bailed
out Linked Loomis gets bailed out by the football guys
or whatever's.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
And I get it, that was his money anyway, that
was a contract and all that, but it's just like
it's a lot of mouthfeasons that went on that they
get bailed out for.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Ultimately, Yeah, and they still even though they're getting bailed out,
they have fifty million dollars in dead money after only
getting two years of Derek Carr. So they paid Derek
Carr seventy million dollars, but now they have fifty million
dollar in dead money and the bailout is that it's
not eighty It would have been eighty million dollars in
dead money, and instead it's fifty. And because they're playing
(14:09):
ball with each other, they can spread that out over
two years and it's it's not that crazy, but it's
like at least you know, the Patriots when they had
to eat their Tom Brady dead money, or the Bucks
when they had to eat their Tom Brady dead money,
or the Saints when they had to eat their Drew
Brees money, or the Packers when they had to eat
their Aaron Rodgers money, or even the Falcons when they
ate their Matt Ryan Man. It's like they got great
(14:31):
production out of those guys. They're supposed to be like
some sort of trade off, and they didn't get any
of that trade off.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Inteen and thirteen Greg fourteen and thirteen is what they got.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Okay, Well, that actually, you know, bumped up his winning
percentage as a pro quite a bit. Because I don't
I don't want to talk about Derek Carr's career necessarily
as it's as this fits over, because I do wonder
if he's going to come back. We'll get to that
in a minute. But I actually did some stats because
I was serious about it. And since you're talking winning percentage,
he's twenty eighth all time and NFL starts, that's a lot.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
That's like twenty.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Among those quarterbacks, only one had a worse winning percentage
for his team. And you know, I'm not all about
QB wins, but over that amount of starts, like, you
want to win more games than you lose, and he lost.
I think you think he was fifteen hunder five hundred.
Vinnie Testa Verdi at a worse. If you expanded out
to include all the quarterbacks who had one fifty starts
all time, which he was pretty he wasn't that far
(15:29):
above that. Jim Everett, Chris Chandler, norm Sneed, Bob Ferguson
also would have been below him. And he played that
one postseason game with the Raiders where they came up short.
So it's just kind of a bit of a Star
Cars career where Derek Carr got the bag and now
he's moving away. Let's kind of get into what happened here, Ryan,
because like the thing that was strange about it was
(15:51):
all this talk this offseason that he was maybe looking
to take a deal elsewhere, So I something's not quite
out up with the injuries and the idea that maybe
he would play elsewhere, but he didn't want to play
on the Saints. And now he's retiring. But a couple
of weeks ago, even the Saints were saying it was
all happening, like, give me something to make sense.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
It's something is still fishy about this whole thing, because
he did he wanted to leave.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
He wanted to leave.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Back in early March, he was upset that the Saints
restructured his deal and kept him signing. Then after that
he founds out, finds out he has, you know, the
issue with his shoulder, and then it's like everything's all good.
We still I still want to be with you guys.
No that I mean something's something's missing there, like some
(16:40):
some kind of part of the story is missing there.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Ultimately, the Saints sort of agreed to give him this
ten million dollars. Now, what what do you what do
you think went into that, Adam.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Just using the analogy from our group text, I think
both sides wanted to walk away from the situation. Out
of all three of us in this podcast, only one
of us have been through a divorce, and sometimes in divorces,
you know, when before things get really bad and really messy,
(17:18):
sometimes cooler heads can prevail and both sides can come
to the sable and say, listen, I'm willing to concede
this point and we can walk away with us both
kind of essentially.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Getting what we want.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
And I think that ten million dollars was the Saints
kind of conceding when saying we'll give you we'll give
you this ten million dollars. We don't we won't fight
you on it, we'll give you this car kind of
gets what he wants and he doesn't play for the
Saints because that's something that he wanted. That I heard
as soon as Dennis only got fired back in November
of last year, twenty twenty four. He hits to him,
(17:55):
his time with the Saints was done, like to him,
him in DA was a package deal, which is a
very weird thing to tie your your your legacy to
like one of the worst that.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Was the ball time.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
But whatever, and so he gets what he wants and
he just kind of do his thing in Bakersfield and
and you know, recover and heal the Saints, get to
you know, get to recoup the money back and kind
of spread spread the money and his salary over the
next two seasons, and if Derek Carr really potentially wants
(18:32):
to come back and play football, then he has that
option to try to maybe do that after after next
season as well. So both kind of sides in a weird,
in a very weird way, they kind of get what
they want in a weird like little myrtle myrtle uh.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Settlement, except except for Mickey, who for whatever reason just
was dying to have Derek Carby.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Quarterly Weird Weird Greg so weird.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
You reported that the organization was not all aligned on that.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
That was that was Mickey really who wanted to literally literally.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Was everyone except Mickey that.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
See, that's so messy, and it's it's so strange. And
I actually, you know, my first reaction to this was,
you know, given Derek Carr some credit that, look, he's
he doesn't he clearly doesn't want to play, he doesn't
want to play for the Saints, and to give all
that guaranteed money back, like, you just don't see that
(19:33):
too often ultimately, and I kind of thought, look, he's
probably in a situation where he knows like the upside
of this situation is not that great, and It reminded
me a little bit of that scene with Cuddy, if
you guys remember from the wire when when he retired
the game the game is not in me, no no more,
And I was this thing and like, the game is
probably not in Derek Carson Moore and you you talked
(19:55):
to X football players. That happens at some point. It's
brutal and all this stuff, and I think it's just
not in so more. But then then you do hear
about these reports that he was trying to play elsewhere
this offseason, and so then it seems it's a little
more like the Saints, and it seems it's a little
more like another guy who retired from the Saints and
(20:17):
then was back collecting checks in the NFL pretty quickly,
which was Sean Payton, Like he just wanted to get
away from the Saints too. So it's not like the
greatest sign ever that your organization is having like a
head coach and a starting quarterback just retire to kind
of not work for you anymore in the matter of
a couple of years, that great sign, right, I think.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
That might be like more of a Rick Mickey Loomis.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Sure, but he is the organization he exactly.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yes, Like that that's the thing where I think people thinking, Okay,
now it's time to reset. It's like at some point
that'll happen, but they haven't really, they haven't really changed.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Man. It's really sad too, because I mean, you had
like a great what eighteen nineteen year stretch Drew Brees,
Sean Payton, Mickey Loomis got to look like one of
the better GMS in the league over that time, and
now he's doing you know, the Jerry Cross thing where
he's just he's just trying to prove that he's like
(21:14):
like the Saints on like the Steelers. But I'm like,
even the Steelers don't want to be the Steelers right now.
Even Steelers fans are annoyed with where they are. Like
it's like at some point that you need some kind
of French innovative, innovative thinking and something like that, and it's.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Just none of that. None of that is going on
with the Saints. And I mean we just keep hearing.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
About our people don't want to work with Mickey Loomis,
you know, and it just keeps popping up, and I mean, look,
we don't even have to say it.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Just look at what's happening. Look at what's happening right now.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah, but like if Tyler Shut goes out there like
we two the preseason, he starts looking good. Some of
the veterans, the Mario and and Cam are kind of
looking like you guys will be fired up.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Like what do you kind of think about this? What
do you think about this Saints team?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Now?
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Do you think the twenty twenty Because I look at
this division and I think that the Bucks are a
legit good team.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Now it's actually a good roster coming back.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
It's not just this wide I don't think it's this
wide open NFC sound. I frankly would be surprised if
the Bucks, I'll just start there like had like a
losing re Like I think they're a winning team. I
think they got a chance to be upper tier contender.
And the Falcons, we'll see how good Pennix is. But
on paper, like they're thinking they're going to compete. Obviously,
the Panthers are hoping they're going to be better. So
even though yeah, Adam, like the Saints are looking at
(22:30):
this best case scenario where they're trying to get to
eight nine wins, Like I don't think it's as easy
as it would have been a year ago or even
two years ago.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Man, we have talked about this at nauseum until until
we see differently. I don't want to speak for I am,
but like we squint, but they look like a four
to five win team right now, like like like they
just look like they may be picking top five and
that's like a top like it just like if you
(23:02):
just look at their if you look at their schedule,
like it's hard to find the wins. It's hard to
find the wins.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
No, will the.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
NFL things turn around? And uh, and it might be
the right year to do it. Not because of Arch Manning,
who most people that seem to know anything about him say,
like he's not gonna come out in the draft next year,
like he's gonna say, but it's a good quarterback class. Anyways,
where we'll we'll see. But there there could be a
handful of options.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Two things I will say, if they have invested there,
there potentially are four four first round picks that they're
going to have on the offensive line. If that offensive
line is not a weapon at this point like it
should be, that's that's one of the ways that they
should potentially if they're going to be a good team,
that's the way that they should be a good team,
(23:49):
I hear you.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
And maybe they'll get coached up to do it. But
one of those first rounders is Trevor Penning. One of
them Caesar Ruiz, who's been up and down. One of
them has never played in the NFL. So like, yeah,
you're excited, Kevin Banks, but you never play the other
run miss most the last year with an injury. Said,
I'm sorry, I'm beating the downer. This team fascinates me
though I love the mess. Is there a part of
you Ryan that just loves loves the mess of it?
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Man like?
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Especially if like a content creator and.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Right for us, you wake up on like a boring
Saturday and it's just like boom, he goes some news,
you know, But there's always something with the Saints, man like, And.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Look the division.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
To think about the division, they all got better to be,
Like the Falcons got up, got better. They might actually
have pass shorts this year, like you said, the Tampa
Bay Bucks. They've just been consistently getting better every year.
Even the Panthers, man Like, I think the Panthers, like,
I'm not saying they're gonna win a crap a little
of games with like it wouldn't shock me if they
won like eight games this year, you know what I'm saying.
And so the Saints got an uphill battle. But I text,
(24:49):
I told Adam yesterday, like it would be cool if
the Saints just had like a fun season like twenty
seventeen Saints where nobody's expecting anything, but then young workies
come in play. Well, you win a couple of games,
and I'm not even worried about the wins, but it's
just fun for fun, you know, saying defense is feisty,
Branded Staley, Kelly Moore's cooking it up. You know, got
(25:11):
a young running back and Devin Neil up six you
know sixth rown, he's looking good. Tyler s is slinging it.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Let's go, let's go on.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Maybe it's Spencer Randa either what either one man, like,
just give me something fun to watch, please?
Speaker 5 (25:23):
If what tell you what the Panthers did in the
second half of the season when young started cooking of
last season, but like maybe extrapolate that for like some
of next season for the Saints. That would be a win.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Forc Like if and if shuck played well enough to
give them a tough decision next year. Uh in the draft.
Then that's that's a great outcome. I mean, you know,
I hate to say it, but I told y'all, you know,
when when Derek Carr was signing, You're like, finally we
got a professional quarter.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Like that's all we wanted.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
And I was like, I don't know if he's better
than Andy Dalton, like right now.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Able to try. My man was all over.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I apologize to Andy Doton.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I was wrong. I'm taking Ady Dolton.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
And I do feel for car because he is and
was just good enough throughout his career to not be
good enough and not quite get over the hump for
the teams that really believed him. And look, he got
paid well and he put his body on the line
and all that. So it's, you know, it's the trade
(26:29):
off of being an NFL player. But he was a
little starcross with Raiders and then at this point in
his career with this Saints organization that just like the
one time it really all came together for him. He
got hurt in that twenty sixteen season when he was
probably going to get some MVP votes and he didn't
get to start that playoff game, and he was cooking.
(26:49):
And I always thought he was like a limited skill
set guy because he wasn't great under pressure, but he
was very athletic, could make all the throws, could run.
And then the one other time it kind of came
together for him that the offense was a really dangerous,
if weird offense because it was so stationed. The station
was with John Gruden, and like that that couldn't last
for him either because because Gruden blew it up and
(27:13):
and that one playoff memory was him, yeah, throwing throwing
short of the end zone on that fourth down because
they had a chance to beat the Bengals before the
Bengals got all the way to the super Bowl. So
you do feel because you don't want to see a
career end like that. And yet I just have a
hunch maybe maybe we're not done with Derek Carr.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Maybe he'll be back.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Munch a small hunch.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Maybe he'll be like my colleague, his brother David, and
he'll end up as a backup on some great team
and go win a Super Bowl in a couple of years,
like like David did for the Giants.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
So we don't know. I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I appreciate my producer to Eric Roberts, making the time
on Mother's Day weekend. I know this is not what
he necessarily was expecting this weekend, but I appreciate y'all
too for coming on board. And I'm telling everyone says
block Party podcast. You know, just listen YouTube. You got
the Patreon there, you got the discord, but just just
check it out. I don't ask for too much, but
(28:08):
subscribe to them on YouTube, and that's the way you
can support NFL daily, supporting them.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Appreciate shout out to all the mothers who are uh
or just in general, just shout out to all the
mothers whenever you all listen to this.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Appreciate y'all. Happy Mother's Day.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Yes, yes, Happy, Happy birthday? Happy? Whose birthday is it?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It's Austin James's birthday, Eric's son. In a couple of
weeks like whose birthday is a Happy mother's day?
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Oh man?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
When we're when we're doing it. When Darren Cars retiring
on a Saturday, it's a news dump retirement.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
You know, Football's back
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