Draft Winners and Losers

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by SB Nation's JP Acosta to give you their winners and losers of the 2025 NFL Draft. They tell you why there are several losers in the Shedeur Sanders saga (01:25), why second year quarterbacks are winners (13:50), why the Panthers are winners (22:14), why running backs and tight ends are winners (28:26), why Gregg is a loser (33:20), why the Eagles are winners (38:50), why the Jaguars are winners (54:24) and more! 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we'd never use AI to
write an apology statement. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm here in
the garage joined by one of the best draft analysts
in the game. It's JP Acosta, and we are going
to be hitting the winners and losers. Jp, I know
you have been grinding all draft season, all Draft weekend.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Welcome to the show. Glad to have you, Thanks for
having me. It has been It was a really interesting draft.
I knew coming into there'd be some fireworks, but I
did not expect this amount of just like everything everywhere.
It's like that movie, everything everywhere, all at once. That's
what it felt like for this draft.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yeah, I hear you.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
And I opened the show referencing Jack's Albrook. If you
don't know that story, we'll get to it in a second.
But yeah, JP is one of the best in the game.
He said he's already going to be looking at some
twenty twenty six prospects once he takes his mind off
things for a couple of weeks. But he goes really deep.
So check out all this stuff at sp Nation. But
let's just get into it. Today's going to be simple.
I just want to do winners losers from the draft.

(01:07):
It can be people, it can be positions, teams, whatever
you want. And you know, we last left off on
NFL Daily after Night two of the draft, wondering where
should hear Sanders is going to go? So I'm just
going to start there with some losers. I have way
more winners than losers. That's how it should be on
draft weekend. But I am going to start with the losers,
and the losers isn't should hear? In this scenario, it's

(01:27):
Andrew Berry, the Browns GM, who looked like disappointed when
he made that fifth round pick, and people are throwing
out some of the quotes that he made in terms
of should Sanders not necessarily being a great fit for
the Browns or hinting at that at after his Friday
morning Friday night presser.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
So Andrew Berry is in that mix.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Mel Kiper, I would say, is in that mix for
just kind of losing his marbles and looking bad because
his number five overall player didn't get drafted and losing
his cools. Just calm down, mel Kiper. And then the
Atlanta Falcons. I want to at least get to that.
But let's talk about the football of it all because
I feel like maybe Joe Flacco and Kenny Pickett are

(02:07):
losers here too, because it's just such a strange Cleveland
Brown's quarterback room to review. It is Flacco, it is
Kenny Pickett, it is Gabriel who's drafted on Wednesday night,
and it's now should Sanders taken in the fifth round?
What did you think when Should Sanders was taken by Cleveland?

Speaker 2 (02:27):
In a way, I actually have one of my losers
is Dylan Gabriel because imagine being the quarterback drafted before
Shador Sanders on the same team, then going and checking
the Cleveland Brown social media page and it's full of
chedure standers. You probably got one post in there. It's
very much like the SpongeBob meme where they hold Squidward

(02:49):
out and everybody starts booing and throwing tomatoes, and then
they hold SpongeBob out and anybody starts cheering. It feels
like that, So I just for me when it comes
to the whole thing, I actually I thought he was
going to go early. I had him graded as a
late first early second. Prospect of him falling out of
the first round didn't surprise me that much. But then

(03:12):
as you start to get into day two and then
in the day three, and you start to hear more
and more of what was being said about Shador, and
when it comes to interviews, specifically after the Giants took
Jackson Dart and what Brian dave Ball had said about
like being a leader, when the helmet comes off, all
the locker room stuff, it just everything felt kind of like, oh,

(03:34):
so maybe he really did flunk these interviews. But the
Browns in this situation, everything has been created to a
point where this entire QB room, I don't think anybody
really wins, Like Joe Flacco was right.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
That's why I started off with losers because it sucks
for Shador. But it does feel like everyone's kind of
losing in this scenario. I don't know who the winners are.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, I mean I guess I don't even know if
you could say a win is anybody else on the team,
because you don't know who's gonna be throwing you the ball.
I mean, if you want to say Schador comes out
as a winner in this somehow I can see that vision.
Because you're a fifth round pick, you have nothing to
lose at this point. If you if you're as good

(04:16):
as everybody thinks you are and as you think you are,
you should probably have that starting job by mid season.
But it just feels like everything is set up for
the Browns to fall completely flat on their face, and
it just it just does. It feels like there's so

(04:37):
many cameras on this situation that don't need to be
on the Browns QB room for a whole lot of reasons.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Right the graphic that they brought up on NFL Network
where it said that the Browns current QB room and
it was the four names I mentioned, plush, the Sean
Watson's Like, I was like, save onto my phone just
because like that's I feel like that's one that's gonna
be useful in a couple of years.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
That is just such an insane pick.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Sure, and it's why the Browns, I feel like, are
an unfortunate spot for him, because they don't get the
benefit of the doubt. And that's why when you see
Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski not exactly looking thrilled. I mean,
Andrew Berry kind of has that face. He has resting
Andrew Berry face all the time. So I don't know
if it's that he's just not fired up. But when

(05:20):
you've heard that this ownership group has gotten involved in
quarterback decisions before, and it's been reported out, it's hard
not to think that that's what happened here again because
he did it with Deshaun Watson and Jimmy Haslam, their
owner basically when public almost as a Mia Kolpa, and
took responsibility for the Watson signing. And maybe that's why

(05:43):
Andrew Berry still has his job, and that's why Kevin
Sefanski is still there is two Coaches of the year
with these other awful seasons, if that's if you're looking
for one bright spot for Shador Sanders. I did think
going into the process that he could fit that system.
And I do think Kevin Sepanski is a good quarterback coach,
and I think Shouldar Sanders is more talented than Dylan
Gabriel certainly, and that they're going to get Rick rid

(06:05):
of Kenny Pickett or Joe Flacco. I don't know which one.
Maybe it'll be Pickett. And you can't bring all those
guys into camp, can you. Just it doesn't make a
lot of sense to me, And so maybe long term
they can figure it out there but it's the Browns,
and so you just wish the Steelers had taken him.
Frank at least that's what I was wishing going into
Day three. I actually would put the Steelers. I was

(06:26):
a little bit of a loser here. I know the
idea that you wouldn't want the distraction of it all,
and I know the quarterback room of Aaron Rodgers and
Shoulder Sanders doesn't make that much sense. And I don't
believe that Shouldar Sanders is some exceptional talent that warranted
all this attention. It was what was you know, his
last name and everything that comes with him and everything
that he did to help change college football the last

(06:48):
four years is why he got so much attention. That said,
they need a quarterback, and I think you should be
taking swings every single time. And they end up with
Will Howard in the sixth round. But to me, Sanders,
graded out as a better prospect, was worth taking a
shot on just to see, even if it's for a
year or two.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, I just for the Browns. I also don't really
understand the process of drafting Dylan Gabriel in the third
round then drafting shadur in the fifth, because if the
whole entire playing is for Dylan Gabriel to end up
not on the team, then you just sunk a third
round pick on a guy who won't make the fifty
three man roster come to the regular season, and then
if Shador doesn't make the team, you just brought a

(07:27):
whole lot of scrutiny and a whole lot of lights
on this QB room.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Kenny Pickett or Joe Flacco is not making this team.
I gotta look at the guaranteed money. But they one
of those guys is getting booted off the island and
the two rookies are going to be on it.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
That's what I would expect.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, I would. I would think it'd be Kenny Pickett
because it was it would really suck for them to
bring in like Joe Flacco again and be like, hey, Bud,
you go ahead, sit down while we start Dylan Gabriel
and Shador Sanders for the rest of the year and
you end up off the team. But I think to
your point about the Steelers, it's fun because I kind
of had a winner as Aaron Rodgers because he's gonna

(08:03):
end up getting what he wants. He wants to be
on the Steelers. He also wants all the attention to
be on him being on the Steelers. Shador Sanders is
on that team. Aaron Rodgers does not want the attention
on Shador Sanders and not himself. He wants to be
He wants to be the guy, you know. So I
think he's gonna end up winning this. I don't know

(08:25):
if you want to call the Cold War against the Steelers.
I don't know if you want to call it like
a will way won't they because it feels like they will.
It's just about Okay, we're gonna give the draft like
a week to end, and then Aaron Rodgers to come
on and be like, hey guys, I'm back, I'm signing
with the Steelers.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
The plan to go back to what you said about
the Browns and like, what was the plan? Why would
you take deal and get Well, the plan was they
like Dylan Gabriel better the coach and the GM and
then the plan got blown up because I think Ownership
got involved, and if he didn't, they just thought the
value it was good enough. And when it comes to Rogers, look,
the only person that's talked openly in this scenario is ownership,
because he can Art Rooney and he expects Aaron Rodgers

(09:03):
to be on the Steeler, so I do too, and
you're right. Will Howard from Ohio State, who I was
a little surprised actually fell to the sixth round. There
was some buzz, and that's why you gotta be careful
of the buzz. There was some buzz before the draft
that there were some of the McVay teams liked him
in apparently not too much because because he ends up
going to the sixth round. The ultimate loser, though, and
we'll move on from Shador is the Atlanta Falcons. In

(09:24):
the most Atlanta Falcons thing of all time, jax Albrick,
who is the son of their defensive coordinator Jeff Olbrick,
was found to be the person who prank called Shouldar Sanders.
The video is out there because you sitter is getting
videotaped throughout the process for social media and for whatever

(09:45):
else is going on with an Amazon crew that you
could see in there.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
And it's just such a move.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Like such an unfair, like mean thing that he was
getting prank called, and sounds like he.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Wasn't the older only one.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Tyler Warren has reported to have taken a prank call
as well. An unnamed other prospect who was drafted was
prank called and told that he was traded afterwards. It's
unclear if the others are from Jacks Olbrook, but the
Atlanta Falcons released the statement and they said, the Atlanta
Falcons do not condone this behavior. They send their secere
I apologies to SHIRR. Sanders, and they've been in contact

(10:20):
with the NFL and will continue to cooperate fully with
any inquiries we may receive from the NFL League office.
I mean, what an embarrassing story for everyone. I wouldn't
be I would be surprised if the Falcons aren't punished
for this. I don't know if they're going to lose
a draft pick, they're certainly going to lose some money.
What the statement said was that the number that Sanders

(10:41):
was on was on a private email that only NFL
employees had, and Jeff Ulbrick left it open and his
son got a handle on it, and just a brutal
dad moment if you're Jeff Olbrook, like his son is
twenty one years old. In the apology that Jacks Olbrioks
and out privately or through his social media like he

(11:04):
misspelled Shader Sanders name and it looked like it was
written by AI. If you literally put it in that
there's a way to check or ask if something's been
written by AI. It says one hundred percent it's been
written by A Who knows if that's like true or not,
but either way, it's just it just sucks. And it's
also the most Atlanta Falcons thing ever, getting involved in
something you have nothing to do with and bring in

(11:25):
great shame on your organization.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Give me a break it.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
I actually posted this on Blue Sky after the news
that come out, and I was like, somehow every chaotic
or batch insane story in NFL history has something to
do with the Atlanta Falcons, right. I think they are
the anchor being for the NFL. You have to have
Atlanta Falcons insanity for anything to actually happen like it,

(11:50):
It doesn't make any sense for anybody here. If you're
Jeff Olbrich and I know you trust your son, obviously
you gon leave the iPad on your work your work computer,
your work technology unlocked around the house. I don't.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
I mean, you got to think pretty low of your
twenty one year old son to think he's got to
be snooping on your iPad and prank calling kids, and
he should think low of his son. And that's that's
what I mean, low dad moment. I mean, look, there
can be lower. This wasn't like a federal crime or anything,
but it's incredibly embarrassing. It's going to be costly for
the Falcons too.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, it's it's gonna be brutal, I think for everybody involved.
Like you said, it just brings unwarranted attention again to
an Atlanta Falcons team who already does not want a
lot of attention on what they did in the draft.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Right, they are another one of the losers.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
I do want to get to positive things, but that
James Pierce trade giving up next year is first made
no sense to me from Terry Fontaineau just acting desperate,
needing to fix the defense this year because you're worried
about losing your job. So yeah, throwing the Falcons as
double losers here.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, it just it doesn't make sense, partially because they
said they want the draft James Pierce at fifteen, which
is like WHOA, Okay, all right, then sure, so you
draft Jalen Walker, who is a better player, and then
you feel the need to desperately go back up and
get the guy by trading a future first. I don't
think the Giants traded the future first to go get

(13:16):
Jackson Dart.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
No, they didn't. They traded a couple of thirds.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
It just feels, like you said, it feels like the
Falcons are making incredibly desperate moves to try and go
like be legitimate this year, to try and save everybody's job.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Right, it's a tough place to be.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
And look, I think they're they're set up to be
a competitive team, So I don't think that's gonna be
a top five pick.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Or anything like that, but you never know.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
And the Rams have something to root for this season,
which is the Falcons to lose every game.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
All right, me give me one of your winners.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
One of my winners is actually the second year starting
quarterback group. Let's James Daniels, Caleb Williams, Drake May. I
think each of the teams did a really good job
of Okay, we have a guy. We know we have
a guy. Let's go all in and try and see
if we can get the most out of them. In
Kayleb Williams case, you draft Colston Lovelin at ten, which

(14:14):
my friend Corey Kennon had actually kind of done some work,
is like this, Mack actually makes a lot of sense
as a better fit over Tyler Warren because of what
Colston Loveland brings as a receiver downfield. And I think
that's something that the Bears kind of missed till they
missed a lot in their offense last season, but that
explosive element in their offense. And then going back and
adding Luther Burden the third in the second round, which

(14:35):
I think was a really good pickup for what Ben
Johnson's offense wants to be, which is just doing all
this work after the catch, all the explosive stuff in
the short yardage game. I think that Luther Burden can
do that a lot. But now it is on Caleb
Williams to take that next step and use all these weapons,
all these tools. You have a first round picking Romadonza,

(14:57):
you have a first round picking Colson Love one high
second Burden, heavily invested in DJ Moore. It feels like
they are properly investing around him to try and get
the most out of him.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, the whole offseason is about improving their offense. They're
trying to score thirty plus points a game, just like
the Detroit Lions did with Ben Johnson, partly because the
defense is in much better shape in terms of their roster,
not that they've totally ignored it this offseason.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
But I love that.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
I will always believe they were going to draft Trevon
Henderson if the Patriots didn't right ahead of them.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
But we'll never know that.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Were you a Burden guy, because to me, he was
a tough evaluation, which I tended to be on the
side of it's too risky for me. But now that
you see that he's with Ben Johnson, you feel like, Okay,
he's gonna have the vision and the plan for him.
He probably wasn't for every team, but now I can
see him having success.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
I'm curious what you thought about Burden.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
So if you count Travis Hunter as a wide receiver,
Luther Burden was my wide receiver for behind McMillan, behind
Mega Buka, and then behind Travis Hunter. I think if
if you look at twenty twenty three Luther Burden, I
think that that would make you think, oh, yeah, this
guy is amazing inside outside explosive threat. Twenty twenty four.
I feel like all of his best work came from

(16:13):
out the slot, which is really what I'm worried about.
If you're going to draft a guy early as a
slot only guy, I'd wonder how effective he can be.
But in the Browns off not the Browns in the
Bears offense, where you have DJ Moore and Roma Doonza
taking all the snaps outside, you can essentially become the
designated jet sweep. You can do the designer stuff like

(16:36):
the end around. You can do some of the stuff
after the catch that they really were missing, which is
what Luther Burden does best, that explosive ability after the catch, right.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
I believe he'll be able to do that right away.
I wasn't sure if he had the threshold of special
enough as an explosive athlete. We will see to make
up for how raw and maybe not complete he was
as a receiver compared to some guys.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
I see that you had.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Him above like Tet and heck I had Kyle Williams
ahead of him. But now it's all about development. Jamis
and Williams had some things. He was a little raw
at too, and I think he eventually has developed more
of his game, and so I kind of have confidence
in that coaching st to have to help Luther Burden develop.
I mean, he doesn't have a bad mentor in terms
of play style with DJ Moore right on the roster.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
So I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
That was awesome and it makes me more excited to
watch the Bears. And yeah, you mentioned the Pats like
just going heavy off, and they did what they had
to do in terms of going offense, offense, offense off
the top, and I talked about those pickups on Friday
night shows, so I'm not going to repeat myself, but
I do like the idea that I still think they

(17:43):
didn't reach. They didn't have to reach for value. Will
Campbell I wasn't in love with, but obviously some other
people disagree with that, And I don't think they have
to reach to get Trevion and Kyle Williams. So you
have some explosive elements to the offense. And I kind
of liked the it's off your Winter's topic. But I
like some of their Day three pickups too on defense
Joshua far or Braden Swinton, those are guys that to
me were kind of home run tries for a Day

(18:04):
three pick.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, I think the Patriots What they did really well
when it comes to Drake May was they helped started
adding compliments to their offense. Kyle Williams can create separation instantly.
That is something that they did not have on the
roster already outside of Stefan Diggs, who was older coming
off tour in ACL. They have somebody who's a little
younger who can create that separation to kind of compliment

(18:26):
Jalen Polk's kind of power slot like Z receiver.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
On the field.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Man, I'm not sure he's in their top four receivers
as of today.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Right now.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
He's got to give us a field. But I think
adding will Campbell is just it's a solid you know.
I don't think it was fantastic. I think he was
my top offensive lineman, but I also thought he was
a guard, right. I think for the Patriots starting him
at guard or not guard, starting him at tackle, I
think it's just trying to get your best five out there.
I think Leyden Robinson is viewed highly within the pats

(18:59):
or organization as being their left guard of the future,
so you're hoping that adding Campbell will help out a lot. Also,
he said he's willing to like fight and die to
protect Drake May and I just like, I'm like, Okay,
I think this is going to be a home run pick.
But I think Trayvon Henderson is. I think a lot
of it was an identity based draft. We know what

(19:20):
we want to be, we know what we want to do,
and I think Trayvon Henderson is a great example of that.
Because they're trying to be explosive when they get the
ball in their hands. It's not exactly going to be
all these super like downfield stuff. And I think Mike
Rabel had an interview early after he got the job
with the Patriots where he was talking about how effective
it is to win with yards after the catch in
the NFL right now, And I think with what they

(19:42):
did in the draft, it makes a whole lot of
sense that they went that way. Trayvon Henderson is going
to be an offensive coordinator's best friend with the way
that he blocks, the way that he can create explosives
both as a runner and as a receiver. I think
sometimes his vision kind of comes and goes, But in
a gap S team offense where you can and get
him downhill early, I think it's gonna look really cool.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, I think they'll be fun to watch. And you
mentioned the second year QBS. Right near the top of
my winners this weekend was JJ McCarthy, so you know
he didn't he didn't get on the field last year.
But I think you look at their first round pick,
it felt like Landon Jackson was kind of like the
last best offensive lineman that they could have gotten. I
don't think the board broke well for them in general.

(20:26):
They probably would have liked to have more options at
that pick, but it felt like Landon Jackson at guard
shores up a spot and it just continues the offseason
of improving their offensive line. And then they take Ty
Felton from Maryland, the wide receiver who you mentioned yards
after the catch late in third round, like big time speed.
Gives them a chance to have a third slash fourth
receiver that can make some yards after catch on some

(20:48):
short throws while you have Addison and JJ going deep
and hopefully develop into more. And then he's one of
my winners too, McCarthy because of the trade for Sam Howell.
They give up up basically a trade down to get
same how which was about what I figured that the
price would.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Be for him.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Just you know something that Seattle could get for him,
and they did get something, And that's ideal if you're
JJ McCarthy, Aaron Rodgers isn't coming in someone with that
was more competition isn't coming in. You know, you have
your veteran in the room that just can can help
you out, but not Samehow who am I forgetting that

(21:25):
that is also there? That is not competition? I'm forgetting
about oh old Brett Rippon, who is kind of in
that mold. I'm not even joking that, like they signed
him because they're like, we like him in the room
with our young guy, that he's that type of guy
whether he makes a team or not. But for the offseason,
it's Brett Rippan, So to me, it's just JJ's world.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
It's JJ's team.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
They spent the whole offseason kind of like the Patriots
did and the Bears did, quietly just trying to make
the world better for JJ McCarthy on the offensive line.
And now I do like adding a receiver because it
didn't seem like it's a huge need for them. But
Jalen Naylor's in the last year of his contract. Long term,
you can upgrade there. Jordan Addison, you know, is he
gonnas get a second contract there? Who knows always want

(22:10):
to be replenishing, And I just thought it was good
for McCarthy. Give me another winner that you like.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Another winner that I liked is the Carolina Panthers, I think,
top to bottom, they had one of my favorite drafts
of this of the entire draft class, I think starting
off with tter Ro McMillan at eight, I kind of
had a feeling that it would go this way, where
you get the big body receiver who can create separation
in short to intermediate areas, which is where Bryce Young's

(22:36):
like hot zone is as a passer. He's not a
downfield guy. He is a I'm not gonna say singles
and doubles, but he's more of a he's an efficient
point guard of an offense. We want a guy who
creates separation early. That is what ted Ro McMillan can do.
I think he gets kind of typecasted for being six'
four as being this big jump ball, guy and he
can do, that but that's not his most effective. Area

(22:58):
so adding him to kind of Compliment Xavier lyget who
kinda he kind of does the we're gonna do The
Christian watson thing where he's gonna run along THE x
AND y axis where he only runs downfield fast or
like across the field. Fast and Then Jalen. Cocher they
just Signed Hunter renfro and at and they still Have Adam,
thielen which kind of feels like they do the same

(23:19):
thing in terms of short and under underneath. Stuff, man come.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
On your are you of profiling? Here? Man Adam feeling's
making planes down the.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Field he's he's winning contestant catches right. NOW i couldn't
believe how Well Adam feeling played last. YEAR i hear
what you're.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Saying.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
UH i just was, like, Man Adam thieling was good last,
Year So i'm just, saying don't diminish him by putting
in With Hunter, renfro who was in his early last.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
YEAR i will Say Adam thielen had a much better
year THAN i thought he would at his. Age BUT
i actually think they did a really good job on
days two and. THREE i love WHAT i did was
Adding Nick gorton training back up for, him and then
going Adding princely Am On miellen because they're both very.
COMPLIMENTARY i was a big fan Of Nick gorton entering
the season added on a lot of really bad way
to Play Texas Sam m's, defense which does that tight

(24:03):
miant front where they have their, guy their defensive ends
their edge prospects playing four eye at like two hundred
and eighty five two hundred and ninety, pounds which is
Why Sjamar stewart And Nick gordon both look a step.
Slow but then you go On adam Mom, yellen who
is a bit more of a, bendy a bit more
of a pass. Rusher then so you have guys already
in the roster Like Jadavion, clowney you have Dj, wanham

(24:25):
you Have Pat, jones all of these. Thumpers you have
these hammers to kind of stop the run. Early and
you add S gorton and New Mam, yellen who can
be sort of the past us compliments to. That but
then on day three Adding Cam, jackson who is massive
BUT i think is gonna be a help in the,
run in the run, Defense Trevor etn is a really
nice value on day. Three my favorite pick of theirs

(24:47):
Is Mitchell evans on day, three WHO i think is
gonna be a better pro than he is a college.
Athlete he got hurt in twenty twenty, three he kind
of Was Notre dame had a really weird passing passing
offense this. Year BUT i think what they did in
terms of maximizing their young quarterback while also hammering down
on what they've wanted to be on, defense which is

(25:10):
we want to load up to try and stop the.
Run AND i think that's admirable and it's a good
amount of knowledge of who you are and what you
want to.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
Be, well, yeah they were one of the worst run
defenses of all.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Time it was like embarrassing to watch. Them they took big,
swings Like, princely that's a big swing he could. Be
i'm not gonna say it's boom or bust when it's
a third round, pick but he has a chance to really,
out you, know rank that that that draft. Slot and
his conversation did you did you hear?

Speaker 3 (25:41):
It by the way with no when they called, him oh,
man it was, amazing he.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Didn't he didn't sound that, excited and they so they
asked him, why you, know why don't you sound that.
EXCITED i think it Was David tepper who asked, him
and he was just, like, why why did you take so.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Long why do you?

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Know he was upset that didn't he didn't get, drafted
and then a couple other people got on there like
are you?

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Excited you're, Excited and eventually he.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Got to the point where he Said i'm gonna come
after y'all's pockets in.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Four, years AND i was, like, YES i love. THAT
i love. That just like.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
But a guy who who is a pure pass, RUSHER
i like that shout. Out you, know while we're on day,
Three i'm gonna do Kam scattaboo as a winner if
you're gonna land in a spot where you're looking to
get some, carries not to mention. Endorsements New York, Giants
Baby Tyrone tracy was good last, year AND i Know
singletary's still. THERE i was LIKE mjd coming into this.

(26:36):
DRAFT i Thought skataboo could work at THE nfl. Level
he had a ranked third among all running, backs which
was a little next. Level he's obviously gonna have to
figure things out in pass, pro BUT i actually do
think his style will work at THE nfl level as
like a, useful fun, Player and so you take them
in the fourth. ROUND i think it's a nice. Spot

(26:58):
for him to actually get some. WORK i think their
offensive line is a little underrated And i'm looking forward
to just Like New york eating him. Up so that
was a good spot For.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Scataboo, YEAH i think it's, perfect especially with how he
Complements Tyrone. Tracy Whereas tracy is a little bit more,
explosive a little lectric outside the, Tackles Cam scadobo is
going to be the guy who just basically does what
he does At Arizona, state which is just grind people
between the. TACKLES i think He my question for him

(27:27):
is how many hits can he take at THE nfl
level because he doesn't exactly Like he's not trying to
be shifty around. Guys he's going to try and run people,
over which is, incredible admirable but incredible.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Balance incredible balance and pretty good in the passing, game
at least as a. Receiver he'll have to figure out
the blocking part of.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
It.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
YEAH i think he adds a lot of value as
a receiver AND i think for what they needed in
terms of just hammering guys between the, TACKLES i think
it makes a lot of. Sense and like you, said
It's New. YORK i think he's gonna fit. PERFECTLY i
think everybody he's gonna love him there because he's just
gonna run, really really hard behind that offensive. Line AND
i Think Brian dabele is gonna include a lot MORE

(28:07):
qb run, game which he has always, done but that
run game has a chance to be pretty, fun AND
i Think scotto's gonna be a really big part of.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
That all, right, well.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Let's take a quick. Break we'll come back after with
some more winners than leaders back ON Nfl Daily and,
yeah we were Talking Cam skataboo before the. Break he
was kind of part of a larger trend in the running.

(28:36):
Backs they're. Winners tight ends are, winners like these forgotten.
Positions so four running backs in the top thirty SEVEN
jp and then twelve in the first four. Rounds scattaboo
WHEN i had some good names by the way at running,
back but everyone had their favorite. Flavors and then you
look at the tight, ends five in the top fifty
and Then Harold fan and junr went at the top

(28:57):
of the third round. Two SO i think think teams
just went where the good players were this, year and
there just were more good players at running back and tight.
End BUT i do think we're, back not all the
way to where running backs, were but more to maybe
like late oughts Where, okay it's like no one thought
it was crazy That amari And hampton, went you, know

(29:18):
early twenties and at four going the top thirty. Seven
no one's like screaming, Reach like we've reached the nice
balance where if you're a great football, player like you get.
Rewarded so running, backs tight, ends we're, back, Baby.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah it feels a little bit like schematically THE nfl
has kind Of i've always said football is. Cyclical the
things that used to be popular will always come back
and be popular again. Later AND i think where we're
at now is because everybody's gotten so much smaller on,
defense playing so much lighter boxes to defend all the
outside zone That Kyle shanahan And sean McVeigh and every

(29:50):
Other santahana McVeagh coach in the league wants to. Do
teams got, lighter teams got. Smaller but now we're starting
to see the punchback by the offense is just hit
somebody really hard with a three hundred and twenty pound
guard and gap. Scheme you saw the best offenses in
THE nfl last year kind of majored in some of that.
Gap the power. Counter The bills ran everybody over with,

(30:12):
duo and SO i think having running backs who can
kind of do that work between the. Tackles you saw
What Quinn Shawn judkins going ahead Of Trayvon, henderson which
IS i was a little surprised, about but it's because
of the work between the, tackles AND i think that's
something that's coming. Back AND i think that it also
was a reflection of the strength of the. Class we
said coming, in running backs and tight ends were a

(30:33):
really big strength in this, class and it was reflected
in how THE nfl viewed.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Them, Right and you just need big, plays AND i
think teams are recognizing you can get it from your
running backs Like Hampton Trayvon. Henderson you're just sick of
these nine to ten play. Drives you get guys like.
That you get tight ends who can have yack, ability
even Like fan And, junior but certainly Like Tyler warren

(30:57):
And Colston, lovelin and those can be a, big big playmakers.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Too like. THAT i haven't heard a loser from. You
let's let's do. That give me a.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
LOSER i hate to say they're a full loser BECAUSE
i kind of like what they, did but The saints
quarterback situation shits a loser from me because nothing about
this seems very hopeful before the, draft with The Derek
carr thing with the shoulder feels kind of mysterious and

(31:23):
kind of, like, oh that kind is a random drop
to add a couple months before the. Draft, Okay Tyler
shuck in round. TWO i came around To shuck late
in the. PROCESS i kind of think he's more of
just like a high value back, up maybe spot, starter because,
again you're getting a guy who's gonna be twenty six

(31:44):
when the season starts and has a litany of, injuries
and then you Have Spencer, ratler who has something but
also kind of. Weird so nothing about The saints quarterback
situation is very inspiring for the first year of The
Kellen moore, regime which also kind of makes me think

(32:04):
that they're one of the teams along with The, browns
that are kind of just, like all, right we're just
gonna punt on the season at quarterback Because Doug nests.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Took one fortieth, OVERALL, JP i hear, you but AND
i actually think you're right that is maybe what they're thinking,
partly but they got to get one For but that
means they just drafted a bridge quarterback fortieth, overall it really.
Is it really cracks me up, though that he is
like prospect poor. Man he's like post Prime Derek carr
as a prospect because he just doesn't do well under.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Pressure you.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Know the only Positive i'll say here is That Kellen
moore got his. GUY i have seen no evidence Since
Kellen moore has been in that building that he's involved
with the. Team it just feels like the same organization
in terms of how it's run as it happened Before
Kellen moore got. There and it is because it's the

(32:53):
Same fred. Office not only Has Mickey loomis been there,
forever But Jeff ireland has been there. Forever he's probably
the one making these, picks very key to. Them the
front office in, general like everyone's been there since like
early in The Payton Sean payton. Days AND i at
least feel like they must have just Taken Kellen moore's.
Guy and it does kind of make, it you, know

(33:14):
sense to me that he like he Was this is
the quarterback That Kellen moore. Wanted so at Least Kellen
moore got his. Guy go make it. Work prove us,
Wrong Kellen. Moore all, right while we're on, losers.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
What SHOULD i go?

Speaker 1 (33:25):
With how about me for writing ABOUT i do this every,
year like before the, draft get really excited to do
a whole show on. It put like a tweet out
about all the possible veteran trades that are been out.
There AND i even PUT i Put Jalen, Ramsey Kirk,
cousins and JayR alexander into a category of likely to be. Traded,
nope not a one of. Them the only one we

(33:46):
got Was Sam. Howe it's never as fun as you.
Think it's usually not this. DRY i think more trades
could still Happen Mark, andrews for, instance The raven said,
no he's gonna be with.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Us they said, It Trey.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Hendrickson there's no reason to think that's gonna happen at
this point because of how the draft fell for The,
jags although they did get one.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Late who did they take? Late you'll know this.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
The Jack, oh they Took Bishel tuton and Leaquint.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Allen, okay so maybe they still Could Jay travis. Et
all we got to know was was How Dallas godder
is still An. Eagle But i'm a loser and all
of us content makers are losers for thinking that these
trades are going to. Happen let's actually listen To Howie
roseman after the draft asked About Dallas.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
Godder you, Know dallas is part of the.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
Team you, know as we, speak, obviously as we go,
forward we're going to continue to address things on this,
team and right now nothing. Further that was a heck
of a, player heck of a, player heck of a.
Person you, know certainly don't want to do anything publicly
where we're discussing anyone's, business but have so much respect for.

(34:48):
Him he'll been to Two Super bowls, together and you,
know obviously would love love him on this. Team you,
know you always love Having dallas on this. Team but
we're we're not there right now on any of, that
but Love dallas gotterr.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Hmm the LONGER i listened to that, MORE i, thought
FIRST i, thought, oh, well they still are got, Him
maybe Trade dallas got. Her and then the longer he kept,
TALKING i was, like they're trying to change his contract
in some, way and he's not trying to put his
business out there too much in, public but my guess
would be there negotiating some sort of pay. Cut and

(35:26):
there is a chance that some of these Players Jalen
ramsey specifically JAY R alexander's as, well THAT i do
think won't be on the team Starting week, one but
they're still out.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
There it didn't happen during the.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Draft, YEAH i was one of those people who Said
Jalen ramsey was probably going to get traded during this.
Draft my youngest brother is A dolphins, fan and so
he kept asking me, like, hey what SHOULD i expect
during the, draft AND i kept telling, him, Hey Jalen
ramsey's probably not going to be on your team. Later
so he was watching the draft just like sweating. Bullets

(35:58):
then after the draft, ended he's, LIKE i Thought Jalen
ramsey's gonna get, traded And i'm, like, yep hand, up
that's my.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
BAD i, Mean Jalen ramsey thought he was gonna get traded,
Too AND i don't, know we'll. SEE i do think
it will, happen but maybe this is The dolphin slow
playing it and saying, like, actually if we can't get
anything for you this, year forget.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
It give me a.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Winner one of my winners actually Is John schneider and
The Seattle. Seahawks, OKAY i had said for the LONGEST
i would Believe John schneider drafting an interior offensive lineman
in the first round WHEN i saw it and then
he went out and did, it AND i was, like, oh,
OKAY i think What schneider did and What i'm Really

(36:39):
i'm really liking about The seahawks drafting is they took
a whole lot of swings on elite, athletes AND i
think a guy Like Gray, zabel who can play guard or,
CENTER i think he's probably going to play center in THE,
nfl BUT i think his movement skills at that pivot
point when you think about Like Clint kubiak and the
outside zone offense makes a lot of. Sense and then you,

(37:01):
know you, add Like Iman, worry you Add Jalen milroe into,
that and you just feel like some of the stuff
That Josh schnyder has said about this draft class and
how excited he, gets specifically talking About Jalen milroe kind
of made me want to put loser At Sam darnold
somehow still in this because you go to a place
thinking you're gonna be the long term, starter and then

(37:22):
they go and draft the guy that the dude just
lights up talking about. Him it's kind of. WEIRD i
didn't put him as a loser for, like he's gonna
make a lot of. Money BUT i Think snyder and
The seahawks really went back to the well of just
drafting elite athletes and it makes a lot of sense for.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Them so the stat from our friends At Next gen is.
Insane they took a league high four players with AN
ngs athleticism score of eighty five or. Higher their first
four picks had an average score in the first four
picks Grays abel as you mentioned a freak em and
worry extra Freak Elijah royo athletic the tight end For,

(38:01):
miami and Then, milroe who's in ninety, nine had an
average of ninety, one the highest by any team in
the draft since two thousand and. Three so this is
the most athletic draft class in two thousand and three
for the first two. Days And i'm with, YOU i
think they're excited about what they can do With milroe
as a complimentary offensive weapon type piece as a Rookie,
look If Sam darnold plays the way that he wants to,

(38:23):
play like he did last, year he will end up
being there long. Term but he knows he's there on
a one year deal, essentially and he'll have to make it.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Happen but, Yeah i'm with.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
You it's interesting to note by the way they did
Announce ZABEL i believe as a, guard and they might
Like Oloa tommy Ol timmy as their center for now
in zabel at, guard kind of similar TO i think
The patriots actually might Play Jared wilson you mentioned earlier
at left guard for now In Garrett bradbury at. Center
but they'll use them both and they'll figure out who

(38:52):
the best five.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Are all, right what's another? CLASS i?

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Like you, know we didn't really hit The eagles On thursday,
night so you Take Hot.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
CAMPBELL i mentioned it, briefly but.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
One of my favorite players in the draft an injury
concern they don't need to him to be on the
field right. Away does remind me of The Nacobe dean
pick in a way because of the injury concerns and
you're waiting for. Him but to, me just a premier
player in this. Class clearly the best off ball linebacker
and landing in a perfect. Spot thinking of him And

(39:25):
zac bond next to each other is. Awesome and Then
day two you take a Safety, makouba WHO i really
like a lot AND i think will be able to.
PLAY i don't know if you had any thoughts on
their draft as a, whole not just the first two.
Picks you, know you know The day three And day
two guys better than, me, Certainly BUT i love those
first two picks and just felt like a nice combination
of thinking about the future but also guys THAT i

(39:46):
think could help you try to win A Super bowl this.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Year one of my favorite picks of their is one
of the ones that made me kind of really like
perk my ears up a little. Bit On day three
Was Cam williams From, texas who was mocked as high
as the second round early in The he's in he's really,
young twenty years. Old he had a horrendous showing in the.
PLAYOFF i think everybody Remembers Cam williams For Jack sawyer

(40:09):
beating him around the edge for the stripsack in The
College Football. Playoff BUT i think The eagles On day
three kind of leaned into The Jeff stoutland vic fangio
like force, multiplier and especially For Cam, williams who is
a monstrous, athlete, long, big, tall like a first off
the bus guy with great. Movement you think about adding
him To jeff stoutlind and giving him the chance to

(40:31):
let him work with him for a few. Years this
is the so oh The eagles got this guy on
day three ends up being a high quality starter because
he gets Around Jeff stoutlin and that nucleus they, Have
So i'm really excited for. That BUT i like their draft.
OVERALL i think they took some, swings but they're worthwhile
swings because you have the nucleus already in terms of player, development.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Right And kyle And kord by the, way they took
the quarterback out Of. Syracuse they always say they want
to be a quarterback. Factory there were some buzz that
they were going to take Should Or sanders in the fifth,
round which ACTUALLY i think would have been a perfect
situation for him and would have made sense for them,
too maybe as the medium term, backup and if he
ends up being trade bait, like all the. Better but

(41:16):
they end up Taking kyle McCord because The browns traded
up and took shoulder and, yeah you Mentioned Cam. Williams
they took a couple of tackles in round. Six Also
Miles hinton Of, michigan AND i can just picture like
one of those guys playing in some playoff game four
years from now and we're, like.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Oh The eagles did it.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Again all, right give me whatever you, want a winner or,
loser whatever you want to talk.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
About so one of my winners is self. Scouting just in,
GENERAL i think a lot of teams looked at where
they went wrong in last season and kind of flipped
it completely on their, head and a few teams really
stood out for me with. That The San francisco forty
nine ers had one of their worst seasons in run
defense That i've ever seen from their, defenses and, decided,

(41:58):
okay we're just going to go out and Add Mikel,
williams who was one, of if not the best run
defending edge in this. Class you gotta Add Alpha collins
From texas On day. Two one of my Favorite day
two picks because again it is understanding what you were
wrong wrong, with and that is defending the run up the.
Middle Alpha collins is not going To he's not there
to rush the, Passer he's there to stop the. RUN

(42:20):
i think ADDING. Cj west later on really nice pick
for them in terms of again stopping the. Run they
knew where they were going.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
In to tackle right and like a high upside. Player, YEAH.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Cj west he. Was he was the middle Of indiana's,
undersize tight front defense and they still were one of
the best teams against the run the, country and that's
partially because OF. Cj. WEST i thought they did a
really good job of understanding their faults and then just
going full force at. It in this draft, CLASS i
think The dolphins also did a good job of. That

(42:52):
one of the big things about The. Dolphins my biggest
complaints about The dolphins is that they were the, cold,
Rainy knight And stoke team where if it was in
short DO i expect you to get the first? Down
or can you stop teams from getting first? Downs they.
Couldn't AND i think Adding Kenneth, grant again you want
to stop the, RUN i wonder if they can kind
of get the most out of him when it comes

(43:12):
to pad level and. Consistency so if he can get
that out of, HIM i think that's gonna really help
open up lanes for Like Zach. SILER i Think Chop
robinson's gonna have a much better. Year and then you
go out on day two you add a guy In
Jonas sevanaia at, guard who again is just going to
add more physicality to the. Offense that has been my
biggest complaint about The dolphins offense is that they weren't.

(43:35):
Physical AND i think Adding sevanaiah and then on day
three Adding Jordan phillips And Zeke, viggers who are both
also just monstrous run, DEFENDERS i think they knew going
in they wanted to completely flip their mantra of, oh
The dolphins can't win in the, cold The dolphins can't
win the, playoffs and in the playoffs you need to be.
Physical SO i think they added that physicality a.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Lot right and a tight end In Gunner, helm who
probably this class was the best BLOCKER i guess at
least at least had that. Reputation and not only did
you trade up for Savon, aa you sniped The. Patriots
by all, accounts they jumped right in front of. Him Elliott,
woolf The PATRIOTS, gm without being called THE, gm said

(44:18):
that it was a good exercise because they had their
first real argument in the draft room WHERE i think
there were two sides of who they wanted to take
with The Trevon henderson pick and the BEST i can,
guess and then he said someone the guy that we
were debating about ended up getting, taken and based on
a couple of the local, reportings it sounds like they

(44:39):
were debating Between henderson And sea and The dolphins made
that choice for. Them so always a nice little bonus
when when the team in your division gets. SNIPED i
was with. YOU i love that you pointed those two
out because they were both on my winners. LIST i
really Liked grant and they needed that and you expected
him to be there at. Thirteen BUT i thought that
was fine value at that. POINT i think it was
like pick your. FAVORITE i think he fit right. In

(45:01):
and then, Yeah Robert, sala he comes back To San
francisco as the defensive. Coordinator their first five defensive players
WERE i, mean first five picks were defensive, players so
that's Given Robert sala some. Love there was also a
linebacker in, there and that was in the first one
hundred and thirteen picks, too so they weren't like through
round five or, six you know you got five good.

(45:21):
Players two third round Picks Nick, martin a linebacker From Oklahoma,
state And Upton stout From Western kentucky as a third
round Comp so a lot of defensive players going to
the forty nine.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Ers by the, way while.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
We're on the forty, nineties a couple of weird injury
items popped up during the. Draft we learned That Malik,
mustafa really promising young safety for, them WHO i expected
to start tore acl In week eighteen last. Year the
news didn't come out until this, weekend so that's bad
news For sala and then forty nine ers. Adjacent it
came out On sunday, afternoon according To jennifer Lee chan

(45:56):
AT nbc in The Bay, area That drake Green law
Then er tore his quadriceps while working out this. Offseason
he's now with The Denver broncos and was expected to
be a big part of their defensive just dominance That i'm,
expecting and it sounds like he's gonna be out for a.
While we're not sure about the, timeline but that does

(46:17):
not sound. GOOD i will throw out another winner's let's
Go Tyler booker to, me he was just a. Winner
just for his interview with a friend of the, Show
Adam lefko and, friends Including Michael, parsons On Bleacher report
the night of the. Draft let's listen To Tyler, booker
the guard taken by The cowboys in the first.

Speaker 5 (46:38):
Round you had one of my favorite quotes of the
entire draft. Process you, said, QUOTE i make guys not
love football. Anymore what does it feel like to see
the love of football leave someone's?

Speaker 6 (46:50):
Eyes it feels, great you, know like to like football
is a child is a child's. Game so like people
wake up being, like, MAN i can't wait to play
this football game. Too they just did their hype, music
they took all the pre. Workout they get so excited
to play football until they come Across Tyler. Booker and
then When i'm going after the quarter after, quarter player after,
play series after, series AND i started to see that

(47:11):
love leave their, Eyes like that's what makes me love the.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Game LIKE i just really.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
Right now got quarter.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Quarter that Is Michael parsons that you heard on the
back end of that getting hyped.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Up that made me like The booker.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Pick it was kind of LIKE i didn't like The
Will campbell that picked that much until he said he
was going to die for For Drake may and That
Tyler booker picked just Seeing Michael parsons get fired.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
UP i do see the.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
VISION i don't love that they didn't get any wide,
receiver BUT i do like all the players that The cowboys.
Took booker was. EARLY i don't know if you had
a thought on the on The booker pick or The cowboys.
Draft it is crazy how they do not have a
second option Behind. Seeland i'm kind of shocked they did
not come out of this draft with. One maybe they'll
get into the wide receiver mix in terms of a

(48:16):
veteran trade something like. That but Man booker fired me up,
Too so.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
INITIALLY i wasn't on board with The booker pick as.
MUCH i thought they probably were trying to trade. Back
but it takes two to, tango AND i think The booker.
Might booker is really, good but he's also scheme. Specific
he is a gap he's a gap scheme. Guard you
see him knocking guys, over he is, pulling or he's
double teaming on power on. Counter but then as you

(48:42):
continue to look at where The cowboys went in this
draft and who who else they hired as are off
the coordinator from The Arizona cardinals where they ran a
lot of gap. Scheme it feels like The cowboys are
trying to undergo their own identity shift where they don't draft. Receiver,
fine they're just gonna run the heck out of the.

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Football they're Gonna they're gonna try to run the heck
out of the. Football AND i think that interior trio
Of Tyler, Smith Cooper, bebee And Tyler booker might really
like mash some guys in.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Who they running who they running.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
With they Took Jayden blue in the fifth, round they
Got Javonte, williams they Got Miles. Sanders maybe they're A
TRAVIS ctn. TEAM i don't, know, MAN i.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Think they're A TRAVIS etn. Team BUT i also, like
very quietly kind of like The Jaden blue pick in
the fifth. ROUND i think his speed is going to
be a big factor in that offense because they don't
really have that speed outside of guys Like Ceedee lamb
on the, team and he's gonna be a factor in
the run and passing. Game but what their draft kind

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of signaled to me is That we're not trying to
get pushed over. Anymore we're not trying to get pushed.
Around AND i, think, AGAIN i hate to kind of
reduce it to one team or one, opponent but The
eagles pushing people around and route to a Super, bowl for.
Sure The cowboys could even get back to THE Nfc championship.
Game probably left a really big like they probably Stung

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Jerry jones a, lot and then the retirement Of Zach
martin on top of, that it felt like they wanted
to try and get back to what they, want What
Jerry jones wants them to, be which is just running
the ball really. EFFECTIVELY i do think they still need
to add like a between the tackles. Guy i'm not
the biggest fan Of Javonte, williams BUT i think THEY

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i think their identity is coming into. Play BUT i
also really love The Donovan Azeroka Savon revel picks On day.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Two, YEAH i like those two and they needed help.
Everywhere But.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
I'll just be tracking Like Matthew golden The Tyler, book
BECAUSE i hear.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
You, yeah we're in twenty two, now so does that
play a? Factor, NO i think for that twenty two
as a receiver is kind of it's kind.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Of, bad kind of.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Gross let's take a quick. Break we'll come back after
with some more winners and. Losers let's go speed round it. Up,
now let's get let's just get a few more you
want you want, to you can go, first winner or,

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loser whatever you.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Want it'll go. Quickly get get our last takes in
before we say.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Goody one of my winners Is Baron. Serel got drafted
on day three by The Green Bay, packers but he
actually was in the green, room which kind of stunned
me because he wasn't on the list to be in
the green. Room but then he, like he's there and
he just gets this incredible moment with the packers and their.
Fans he's jumping into the, crowd he's hyping the crowd.

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Up they can't even go to the next person who
announces the pick Because Baron serel is out there like basically.
Crowdsurfing AND i just thought that was a really cool
moment for. Him and he's one of the GUYS i
saw at The Senior bowl who kind of kind of
stood out a little. Bit BUT i think he gets
that he got a really cool moment, there so he's a.
Winner that he's a.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Winner The cardinals are winner is Just Walter nolan Will,
johnson that kind of talent adding to the defensive And
sean McDermott's a. Winner he did the thing like they
did In San, francisco where was just all. Defense first
five picks on, defense you, Know Maxwell, HARRISON. Tj Sanders
Landon jackson was one of my favorite third round. Picks
he's a edge From Ohio, state but just trying to improve.

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That sean McDermott. DEFENSE i like The chiefs first two
picks to get a home run possible top tackle in
the class In Josh simmons if he can get. Healthy
and Then Omar norman lot is an interesting second round
defensive tackle In Jalen.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Royals much later at wide. RECEIVER i like what The chiefs.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Did, YEAH i actually think The chiefs pick Of Ashton
jalatti in the third round feels very spags. Ish he's
a little got shorter, arms but he's very similar to
like a guy Like George carloftis who has heavy, hands high,
motor wins with. Power and Then Noel williams also in round,
three feels very like a spag this. Corner SO i
like that they replenished their depth with guys that really

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can affect the can affect the. Game push the pocket.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Right The colts qb room is kind of a.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Winner Nate tice is a winner That Riley leonard landed
With Shane stykens To Ryley leonards The Notre dame, quarterback
they're the Op you know how The browns quarterback room
is just such different flavors everywhere it doesn't really make.
Sense and The seahawks quarterback room is like that too
now with Like No roe and Darn no The colts
all their quarterbacks are the. Same So Riley, leonard if
someone's got to get something out of, him it's gonna

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be the same Guy Shane styken that's working With Anthony
richardson And daniel.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Does he's kind of a melding of those. Two so
that one's kind of.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Fun, YEAH i actually posted to social media The Daniel
jones variants will continue until morale. Improves when The colts
Picked Ryley leonard because he if you fuse like the
recklessness Of Anthony richardson with the body Of Daniel, jones
you Get Riley leonard because he's gonna do some really

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crazy and stupid, stuff like he's gonna try and hurdle
a guy end up flipping. OVER i THINK i, said
like in my scouting report of, him it's he plays
too much like he's on, jackass or he's gonna end
up like flipping over a, guy gonna he's gonna break his.
BODY i think the first drive of The National championship
game Against Ohio, state he had to come off the
field because he was vomiting after he scored the. Touchdown

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And i'm just, like, yep that is that is A
colts quarterback right.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
There there's something in. THERE i think The colts are
going to be, entertaining if not. GREAT i KNOW i
said we were doing speed. Round BUT i will wrap
up the show talking to and maybe one of the
most Noteworthy jaguars fans in the entire. Country let's let's
wrap it up an obvious winner here is The. Jaguars
i'll say it for, you just the fact not only

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that you added two lane Great Caleb ran saw my
guy at cornerback in round, three but, yes you Get
Travis hunter and you just changed the entire franchise that.
Way let's actually listen To James, gladstone their NEW gm
FORMER Nfl daily, guest talk a little bit About hunter
at his introductory press.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Conference, tunnter he embodies belief.

Speaker 7 (55:15):
Right he's a rare, person he's a rare, player but
he's also a reminder that the boundaries of the game
of football were built to be. Challenged so the decision
to select him was actually a, statement a statement for
how we plan to move who we, are and we

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want him to be nothing more than him because when he,
is he elevates the space around.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Him let's.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
GO i, mean he's changing the boundaries of.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
FOOTBALL i feel Like Michael parsons watching. That Tyler booker,
REE i feel Like Michael parson's right. Now that is.
INCREDIBLE i Think James gladstone is also one of my,
winners just because going into the draftverybody was saying The
jags wanted to do something. Bold The jags wanted to be.
Bold coming into the. Draft they had said we wanted to.
Elevate we wanted to raise the floor of our offense

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and of our team in general with free agency and
then raise the ceiling through the. Draft there's no better
ceiling raizer Than Travis, hunter and the fact that they
actually went out and did it and were and weren't
afraid to go and be bold and do that kind
of signals a shift For jaguars And jaguars fans because

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it actually it actually feels like belief in a. PROCESS
i think With Trent, balky it felt like there was
just kind of throwing picks at a, board Like, okay
we'll do, this then, This now there's no. PROCESS i
think With James Gladstone Liam, cohen you can see the
process and why every pick has been. Made and then
just adding a guy Like Travis hunter who can be

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the face of the. Franchise and the way That James
gladstone looked At Travis hunter there was.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
CRAZY i was wondering what Was hunter?

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Thinking WHILE i couldn't tell you BECAUSE i looked At,
HUNTER i couldn't tell if he was just kind of
glazing Over he's like what is this guy talking? About
or what he was thinking When gladstone was glazing him
up like.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
That BUT i loved.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
IT i love. It it's. Incredible i'm so excited for
this regime AND i know that it might not work
because it is The. JAGUARS i am well aware of,
that but the fact that they went out and this
entire offseason has been about them being. Bold they had
to go and actually Fire Trent, balky and then they
went out and and Took Liam cohing. Back you go

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out and be bold and add a thirty four year
OLD gm who has now become like one of the
major talking points of THE. Nfl you go out and
you be bold and get a guy Like Travis. Hunter
it just feels so, different but a good. Different So
i'm very. EXCITED i know that it's probably not going
it might not work, out BUT i think the fun
in it is seeing if it.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Does hunter is gonna work. OUT i JUST i just
believe it was all my heart AND i don't buy
the this trade made sense for both. Sides part of
The browns like it was good process for The, browns
but it was worth taking a chance for The. Jaguars,
no at some point you got to evaluate the. Players

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AND i could be, wrong And James gladskyne could be,
wrong but at some point you Gotta that's what they,
do is, evaluate and you Gotta, clearly The browns didn't
Believe travis under was as special a player AS i,
did BUT i think he's going to be one of
the most special players certainly that ever puts on A
jaguars uniform or that would put on A browns. Uniform
and if he is that, guy then you Mess then
you messed.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Up, Yeah Andrew barry was calling him show Heyo tani
entering this, draft.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Although he knew it's funny the think.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Back according to the, reporting at that, point he already
knew he had traded, him so he was JUST i
don't know what he was, doing trying to get a better.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Offer, yeah it's crazy to compare somebody to Show Heyo
tony and then pass up on the chance to take
the Show Heyo, tommy, right? Right and what other sport
do you do? That you certainly don't do that in,
Baseball BUT i think The, BROWNS i kind of it
sucks to have the rug pulled out from under you
Expecting Travis hunter and anyhow With Mason, graham who was

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still a very good, prospect but then ending up using
the picks you got For Travis hunter With Dylan, sampson
who was kind of similar in a smaller package To
Quinn Shawn judkins and both being gap scheme only players
with not that great a vision and then drafting two
quarterbacks after so you doubled up by drafting two running

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backs and two quarterbacks in this draft when you still
have holes almost everywhere on the offensive.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Line AND i do Like Dylan samson THOUGH i do
Like Dylan. SAMSON i WILL i will defend.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
IT i get Why, sampson which kind of is, like
why did you Pick judkins? There, then so, again it's
just it's fine getting the, picks but it's about what
you do after you get. Them and that's WHERE i
feel like The browns process was just like what are
we doing?

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
Here?

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Right and for The, jags it's just it's cool for
them to be a closer to being a premier team
in terms of. INTEREST i think that's. Fun they've just
been a little too forgettable, lately AND i talked about
it a lot this. OFFSEASON i actually thought their roster was.
Decent it didn't have as many huge holes in it

(01:00:23):
as a team you would expect with that record. Had
what it didn't have was exciting players top ten at
their position. Players it just had a whole roster full of,
okay pretty. Good so what do you add one of
the most exciting prospects that you could ever want to.
See and by the, way you get to take the
shine away from the team in your, division your rival

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that had the number one overall DRAFTIC i like The titans,
draft by the, WAY i Like Eric, aluminar the wide.
RECEIVER i liked at Least Ali, connelly who were big
fans of on the, show has been a guest the
number of times huge fans Of winston that the safety
that they. Got SO i think The titans and they
got the best quarterback in the draft by. Far SO
i think The titans had a nice, draft but Ultimately

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Travis hunter is enough for The jaguars to be even.
Nicer great having you ON, JP i want you to
take a little bit of a breather before you start
diving into that twenty twenty, sixty BUT i want to
get ahead of it this year and have you on
earlier and start talking about those.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Guys, Absolutely i'll be taking a little bit of a.
Break i'll take it like a week week and a.
Half my sister's graduating from this, weekend So i'm gonna
go up and visit, her and then we'll start diving
into twenty twenty six a little LATER i.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Know and we'll be diving into LIKE i had more
winners and. TAKES i love what you, Did raiders and
bucks and all that. Stuff but you know, what we're
actually going to cover all thirty two teams this. Week
so if we didn't hit you, today we are coming
back later in the week going over the drafts for
each and every. Team we'll give everyone an equal amount of.
Time we'll Have jordan rodrieg And Patrick clayban eating with

(01:01:53):
me to do. That we'll also Have Daniel, jeremiah the
final forties and free agents that will be in your
feed on Two. Tuesday so thanks TO Jp acosta OF Sb. Nation,
yes when we're starting to fill out those post draft depth,
charts you know football is. Back we'll see It tuesday