November 25, 2025 • 45 mins
On the Week 12 edition of Monday Night Football, Christian McCaffrey collected 142 yards from scrimmage against his former Carolina Panthers and the San Francisco 49ers improved to a competitive 8-4. Gregg Rosenthal and Nick Shook discuss major takeaways from MNF, evaluate the playoff hopes of both the Panthers and 49ers, then discuss some Week 12 news and QB storylines as the NFL season goes into its final third.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Purty takes the snap, another toss play to McCaffrey gets
to the edge on the left side.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Black from us check is.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
To the fast I want to speak into the e
zone touchdown. What a beautiful play and that was vintage
San Francisco clinic blocking.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yes, it was vintage Christian McCaffrey all night long, at
least when his quarterback wasn't throwing the ball away. The
forty nine Ers steamroll the Panthers twenty to nine on
Monday Night Football. That was one of let's count him up.
Twenty four carries, seven catches, thirty one touches for over
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one hundred and forty yards from scrimmage for Christian McCaffrey,
who gets it done each and every week, as does
Nick Shook, as does Justin Allegri. By the way, on KNBR,
thank you for that forty nine Ers cruise, Shookie. And
I'll start with this big picture. I'm not going to
drill down on the McCaffrey of it all. Let's talk
big picture. How dangerous do you think this forty nine
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Ers team is at eight and four with games against
the Titans and Browns up next than a bye, they
are very likely to be sitting ten and four in
mid December, entering a tough final slate. How dangerous do
you think this forty nine Ers team is?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I mean very dangerous because they're most likely going to
show up as a wildcard team. They're gonna be a
wild card team that's gonna be able to take down
a lesser division winner, which is the first step in
improving your dangerousness to the rest of the league. It's
also a team that has proven to be a great
case study in how giving yourself a good backup quarterback
and organizational cohesiveness can lead you through the fire like
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they have had enough injuries to derail their season. They've
had previous seasons get derailed by injuries this team. No, yes,
you lose, Fred Warner, guess what you gave up nine
points to the Carolina Panthers tonight. You completely shut down
their offense. Yes, de Brock party for a long time. Yeah,
had Mac Jones to step in and the unifying factor
to all of this. And I'm a little concerned about
this because I just looked at his total touches going
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into tonight is Christian McCaffrey. It's it's kind of absurd.
The amount of times he's touched the football this year.
Like mental math, which I'm not very good at, so
forgive me, but I believe he came into the game
tonight with two hundred and sixty seven total touches and
add another what thirty two tonight?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
What does that put us at two ninety nine?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Oh my yeah, I think it was thirty one. So
that is insane. He's almost over three hundred touches. People like, oh, well,
you know, you gotta try to It's like, that's that's
what we heard about Saquon Barkley, by the way, all
off season. Oh, you know, the total touches. He'll be fine.
And now you look, and I don't think it's a coincidence.
Saquon Barkley is happening.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
They're here, Niners are here a career.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
But they're here. And that's that's kind of the long
term view. I gotta say. McCaffrey, I think has looked
better as this season has worn on, So you definitely
don't see it affecting him on the field tonight. Yet
he actually had his longest run I believe, of the season. No,
he had a seventeen yard run in the second half
and a nineteen yard catch. He did have a twenty
yarder last week. But at least they're getting close to
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explosive plays that actually counts as an explosive. And here's
another thing. They're good enough to overcome their quarterback throwing
three interceptions in the first half. And I couldn't have
been the only person that was thinking back about the
Mac Jones brock Purty scale, and I was saying, you know,
mac Jones climbed higher than I expected on the Kyle
Shanahan quarterback scale. I think he passed Jimmy g and
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he's definitely below rock Purty. But tonight, you know, Mac Jones,
I don't think would have been throwing those picks. It
is a little bit of a concern in the short term.
I'm not concerned about brock Purty in the long term.
But it's now two games and if you went back
and watched that performance last week, the ball just kind
of came out funny. I thought last week, like, yeah,
it didn't look great, and he had a two throws
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in that game that probably could have or should have
been intercepted. And in this game, especially early, he had
the three picks, and then after that he only almost
threw a couple more at the at the end of
the second quarter, You're thinking, what is going on here?
As long as he wasn't throwing the ball in Harm's way,
this offense looked awesome tonight, long drives in everything. What
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is your concern level of where Purdy is that.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
I mean, some of it feels like it's maybe rust
because he just hasn't been on the field in so long.
And then you also think about like how much is
like they gave him a considerable amount of time to
come back from the tow issue, but it wasn't the
only ailment he was dealing with, at least earlier in
the season.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
What I see is a ball that has too much
air under it.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Consistently, it doesn't come out with the same zip as
it did I don't know, maybe last season or early
this season, which makes me think that's foot related, as
if he's not, you know, using his legs enough in
his throwing motion. Like the first pick in the end
zone left too much air under it and it ends
up short. Second one kind of the same situation a
little bit late on that throw, and then the third
one was a great play by Jay z Horne but
that's three play three series in a row where you're
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turning the ball over via interception. A better team makes
you pay for that, and you maybe lose this game.
And it's not to you know, rain on the forty
nine ers parade for winning on Monday night football. But
if you're going to be as good as possible, your
quarterback has to be a big part of that. You
have paid him a lot of money, You have built
a lot of your identity offensively around him. It is
a testament to Kyle Shanahan that you can acknowledge that
maybe we don't need him or want him to carry
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us to victory, and we're just gonna lean on Christian
McCaffrey and we're gonna become a bog constrict offense. We're
gonna march down the field in ten plus plays in
three of our four scoring drives. We're gonna take up
at least six and a half minutes in three of
those four scoring drives. And the one that didn't is
because they had great field position after a takeaway.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
And that's fine.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
That you control time of possession on the road and
in the playoffs, you're gonna win football games provided your
quarterback doesn't give away the football too much, so level
of concern pretty high, but he does have enough runway
to iron it out, and I think a lot of
it is still due to roughs.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, they're a great comment in the chat. Thank you
to everyone who's joining us live on YouTube, and obviously
thank you to everyone that's checking out NFL daily in
your feed. We love you. We got a full week
of shows here in Thanksgiving week, and look like those
three interceptions, they were bad throws. He only had nine
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in completions, So I would say of those nine incompletions,
like the Panthers got their hands on about six or
seven of them. I could go check the box score
in terms of pass the defense the rest of them. Like,
he made the right decisions for the most part, even
the decision on the interception to Piersall, for instance in
the end zone where he steps up and he passes
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up a couple open receivers underneath. I don't even hate
the decision, neither Detroy Aikman. But I thought the same
thing where it's like, yeah, Pearsall had him one on one,
and if he had a better ball location, Like I
like Pearsall's chance with a little bit of leverage and
his athleticism of making a play on the ball, and
it's just the ball's not going where he wants it
to go. So that's a concern. Sometimes the schedule gods
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help you out. And this is not a good Panthers defense,
and they definitely got a lot worse when j C. Horn,
who had two interceptions in this game. It was nice
to see one of the star young Panthers players show
up early. I mean he was in perty's head. He
got his hands on another ball early. You pointed out
on Twitter he looked great, and then he goes for
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a concussion test. And if it wasn't for that, man like,
the Panthers defense just couldn't get off the field. They
are not a serious defense. I think it's a reminder
we're talking about the forty nine ers is like, okay,
their defense shook, probably is not going to hold up
in the playoff setting, at least not against like Seattle
or LA if they had to play them. I think
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that'd be pretty dangerous in most other games. But it's
nothing like the Panthers defense, Like there's still even if
there's not necessarily that much more talent and there's probably
a little more talent still in San Francisco. They're just
better coached and especially playing at home, like they played
with their hair on fire, and I know the Panthers
offenses looked like that on a lot of nights in
this season. But they've had their good games too, including
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last week. And the forty nine ers defense plays with
a level of aggression and they're well coached. It was
impressive to us.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
That's the key.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
They're well coached and they're able. I mean, because I
think they made it really difficult for Bryce going to
do anything tonight. Now, Bryce Young had his share of mistakes.
He had his interceptions that he threw too, and the
first one that he threw in the end zone was
a gift to the forty nine ers after they'd given
them the ball at the nine ers sixteen.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
It was a late throw.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
It was it was probably a full second late. It
was a bad decision being thrown into traffic, and it
was delivered with a casual nature that's typical of like
an end of half hail Mary, not a play where
you're rolling out on the goal line and when you
could potentially run it in. And I think that's what
started the downfall of this offense throughout the rest of
the night because outside of the red zone opportunities, Bryce
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Young just looked like he was never really confident. And
that is a testament to this Niners defense. Despite all
the players that they've lost, they still have guys in
their making plays and the most important thing, like you said,
they're well coached. They're disciplined no matter who's in there.
Maybe you don't have the elite athlete like a Fred Warner,
but you got guys who are going to consistently get
their job done within every play, and that's gonna make
it tough for an offense with the ceiling that is
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really only raised by a big Rico dabble rushing game, Like,
it's gonna make it tough for that offense to move
the ball if they can't run the ball, which has
been the Panther story all year.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Can we get a little more Rico Daddle and Chuba
Hubbard in this game he.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Gets a carry for two yards and a carry for
three yards. They're just like, we're just not gonna run
the ball for the next ten minutes. It's frustrating.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Here's the thing though, like Rico Dada went six for
thirty eight. Tonight, Chuba Hubbard went three for sixteen. They
only had nine runs, and so I see their design
success rate. You know, it's a bad night for your
design success rate, which is one of my favorite stats
when I can tell like, oh, they were four for nine,
Like that was their design success rate because they only
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ran the ball nine times, Like that's four for nine,
Like that's crazy. True. Bryce Young ran it four other times,
but those were scrambles, so they dropped back to pass
thirty six times. And there were there were just a
lot of not ready for primetime moments. Like literally, this
Panthers team, when was the last time they were in
a real primetime game. They had so many different moments
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that they just felt not ready. I think you picked
the most important one, which is that first Bryce Young
interception after they get the short field after their turnover.
I mean, the game was just drunk early with those
brock Party interceptions and Christian McCaffrey tried to fumble it
at one point, but the Panthers couldn't fall on the ball.
What was your favorite Panthers not ready for primetime moment? Hmmm?
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Putting you on the spot, m that's a great one.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Uh, this is early, but I think it hurt their
offensive momentum ted mcmillion dropping a wide open down that
was one of them right there, Like that killed that drive.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
There was a.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Scenario early in this game, I think where the Panthers
faced four and three and Canalis had them rush up
the line a bit of a muddle huddle and then
immediately was like nope, punt, Like they just they didn't
come with the aggression that you need to win a
game on the road.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Like that, Like Gus is what I'm talking about, gotless punt.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
We're on the same wavelength. I wrote down a feud
not ready for prime time moments, and that was like
two of the two of the five I wrote down,
Like hell yeah, Canalis losing a little, a little love,
a little like hood spots. Like they've been going for
those four downs all year, which I've appreciated, and they've
been a better offense than what they showed tonight and
they punt there. You mentioned McMillan, and yeah, Jordan was
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texting with me tonight and she was just pointing out
like he just wasn't physical enough tonight. He was getting
bodied around a couple of times. It's just too bad
to see because I think he's had an incredible year,
and he did make some catches later, but it was
not a great night.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
I would like to quote Jared Allen here and say
that I think the lights were too bright.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Mmm. It did kind of feel like that for them
as a team or they Then again, I've seen them
play some pretty terrible games at ten am Pacific this
year too. That's the thing with this Panthers team, why
even though they came into this game six and five,
it was hard to really take them too seriously, not
only the underlying like DVOA and all those sort of numbers,
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but in five of in like four of those five losses,
they've just looked horrible, and they've looked like tonight where
they're not competitive offensively. Xavier Lagett had his kind of
one brain fart of the game where he went out
of bounds late and then didn't re establish himself, just
completely lost where he was. And then when I hate
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it when a team makes the extra point but there's
a penalty on it. Shout out to JJ Jansen getting
a little uh yes, yes, okay, he was a host.
By the way of NFL Daily over the summer. That
was a great episode with Jordan. And so they make
the extra point and then they moved the ball from
the two to the one and they're like, oh, we
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got to go for it now. That one yard made
such a difference, And I'm thinking, okay, does it first
of all, doesn't really make that much of a difference.
And the answer is absolutely not if you throw the ball.
Troy Aikman made the same rant that I was all
ready to make. I had written it down. I'm like,
I'm what's the difference of throwing the ball at the
one or the two? And also, why are you confident
in Bryce Young in that situation? He had no one
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opened to throw to it.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Just just why every moment in which they had a
chance to build momentum they took it out on themselves
and that.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Was one of them.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
And yes, I don't care what you think about momentum,
because in a game like this you need a little
bit on your side, especially the amount of comeback.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
In the fourth career point.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
You just had your best scoring drive of the night,
your only touchdown drive of the night. You had a
great ball to Teed McMillan in the back of the
end zone, and what do you do.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
You get greedy?
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Let just take the extra point, make it ten points.
At that point, I think they were only down by seven.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Take that.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
It's fine. The one yard closer and you're not going
to run the football. It doesn't matter. And what I
also hate is that when you are down by that margin,
and this is so pervasive in the NFL, and analytics
says you should do this, but in my opinion, why
would you go for two? And the thought is, well,
if you go for two the first time, then you
know what you need the second time. I don't care
if you know what you need the second time, because
I know what I need the second time, two extra
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points to tie the game, because if I don't get
the two point conversion the first time, I have to
get the two point conversion the second time to tie it. Obviously,
they were never in a position to do that, but
had they encountered that, had they lost by that narrow margin,
you can go right back to that first decision, which
is why I think it's dumb every time greed does
not pay off in this game.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Okay, let's actually listen to that touchdown throw so we
can see something positive out of the Panthers and breakdown.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Bryce and the gun Robert has been in all drive
Young in the pocket pro steep down field, has a
man open caught by McMillan, the California Connection, Bryce Young
to Tenroa McMillan ay twenty nine yard touchdown, and it's
all one score game, seventeen to nine with forty nine
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seconds to go in the third.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
You hear that that seventeen to nine as an ooh,
they got a chance to get back into it. They
look kind of.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Good there yet until you missed the two point conversion,
you're right back to where you were before.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
You know, that decision didn't cost them the game, but
it was just annoying. I also didn't like them trying
a fifty seven yarder at the very end of the
game instead of just going for a fourth and eight,
like because they were trying to cut it to eight
from fifty seven yards out, like that's some sort of
automatic and maybe I'm just judging the result. I love
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the comment here. I assume it's from a Panther fan
who says his son is out of his mind worried
about having a too short king for years now as
a too short king like it's a fine way to
be in the world. There are a lot of advantages
on planes. It's just way more comfortable. We have a
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too short family here. We're all very happy. I think
we're a good looking family. We all get along. It
keeps you humble. But to play quarterback in the NFL,
I do think it's a little bit of a negative.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah, a little bit for it. Although although putting too
short in quotes just makes me think of the rapper
too short Bay Area legend. Appropriate for tonight.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And yeah, thank thank you to the viewer who's saying
I'm a perfectly short king. Okay, let's move on quick soon,
and we are going to give a little love to
one of the members of the forty nine ers. Yes,
it is time for who Delivered, presented by Uber Eats.
And I think the winner tonight has to be George Kittle,
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just because we haven't given him any love. Six catches
for seventy eight yards. I also noticed him having some
like flashy bot blocks in this game. It was almost
like look at me blocks, which I love. Like him
getting on the ground, getting dirty, and he's looked more
explosive over the last couple of weeks and he has
been absolutely great and is going to be crucial. I
do think this offense, I think there's a path to
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win a playoff game against a team like the Packers
or the Lions, or a team that has had enough
offensive problems that you don't think or the Eagles that
you don't think they'll necessarily fully punish what this defense
is all about. And the reason I think there's a
path shook is that I do think by the time
the playoffs hit, brock Purdy could be playing better. And
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with Kittle and Jennings and pearsall who was pretty quiet tonight,
and McCaffrey, even Brian Robinson as a backup, you got
used check out there like they could put up thirty
five in any game, and with their coaching staff, like
I just think they have a chance to put a
scare into someone or win a playoff game or two,
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which to me would be like a massively successful season.
Two would be a little shocking, But even making the
playoffs for this team, to me, will be an accomplishment,
and I do think they will get there.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
You'd have to catch fire to win two playoff games.
That would definitely exceed my expectation for them. But I
do think that Kittle, being who delivered tonight is a
great choice for multiple reasons, one the most important one
being while we spend all this time focusing on Christian McCaffrey,
I actually think it's George Kittle that unlocks this offense,
and it's because of his rapport with Brock Party, and
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it's also because of the way that.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
He just kind of levels out their passing.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Game because he's such a good blocker, but he's also
a great, you know, threat in the passing game. He
can make, you know, very athletic plays. He can serve
as a reliable target. But that Brock Party has an
extended rapport with all of that can kind of come
together open up everything else for your receivers around you.
You get yourself back from injury. You know, he played
to night, and you got Jennings and everything else. I
just think like you take Kittle out of the mix,
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that offense goes down a few notches, whereas with him involved,
you're at a much higher ceiling, and then you can
kind of use everybody.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Else that you just listed.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
And I also think that what we saw tonight could
be the formula for the forty nine ers. Winning a
playoff game is by establishing just ball control, possession focused
offense with a few splash plays to a guy like
George Kittle.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Maybe you're throwing up to Ricky Piersall and he makes the.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Play, but Kittle's got to be the focus of your offense,
even if it's not like blatantly the focus of your offense.
Internally on the sideline, you got to be thinking all
the time, how are we going to get Kittle involved
in this play? How are we going to turn to
him to make a difference, Because I think that's where
their offense elevates the most.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Yeah, and I think their offensive line has played pretty
well this year. I think it's grown into form. It's
like there's just something about these Shanahan teams. You always
think the talent on the offensive line isn't enough, and
then you get to Thanksgiving and like it's enough. They're
playing well. And you look at the backfield in terms
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of the defense, no matter who the coordinator's been there,
and you're like, I don't know if they have enough
players back there, Like they're a little smaller, they're mid
mid to late round picks. I don't know if they're
good enough. And then you get to the end of
the season and they're playing pretty good ball, and I
think this has been an impressive season. And I see
a note that their schedule's not that easy. I beg
to differ. They have a perfect schedule. I mean, they
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have two games where they'll be heavily favored, the Browns
and the Titans. The Browns are you know, frisky enough
that their defense can keep them in any game, but
those are games they should win. That gets them to
ten wins. That might be enough right there. The other
three games has the Colts, the Bears, and the Seahawks.
But none of those are easy games. But look, you
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want to find out where you are. Three straight is tough.
But Colts and Bears are games that I don't think
they're like heavy underdogs. If they're underdogs in those games
at all, I don't necessarily think they are. The Bears
games at home, and yeah, the Seahawks, like I said
in the Rams, I think are going to be tough
for this team. I think, yeah, last apart, but that's
that to me. If you had one of those three games,
you're at eleven wins and you're a six or seven seed,
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and if you win two of those games like you're
pretty frisky.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Pretty inos, I kind of wonder if they only have
one method of success offensively.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
And this is I'm saying this while.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Knowing what they did in Arizona last week, which is
kind of a not a fluky game, but a weird
game because it was just very much splash plays and
not much else in between. In that, like the formula
we self to night is their best chance of victory
and that they may be the only way they beat
a team like Seattle. I think Chicago doesn't present as
much of a threat for them and leans more towards
their favor.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
But maybe the same is true for Indianapolis.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
This next game though, And it's not because I live
in Cleveland, but I know that Browns defense is a
test for every offense they face.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
It's also I looked up the weather.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Sunday high of forty low of thirty four, more than
snow showers. The last time the Niners ran to inclement weather,
Jake Moody missed a game winning field goal, so he's
obviously not on the team anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
But I think it is going to be an interesting test.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Of Brock Purty coming off of a three interception performance,
Can they get on the right track against the defense
that's caused a lot of problems for a lot of opponents.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I think the pressure has ratcheted up on Party this week.
I'm not sounding the alarm bells because I spent a
lot of the offseason actually backing up Rock Party, saying
why some of the things he does his next level
in terms of his anticipation, the way he sees the field.
He's just physically not performing well enough right now. But
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I think he can get there. So I've had fun
talking up Mac Jones. I think Mac Jones played really
well for a backup quarterback. I think they need Brock Purty,
as Jordan's pointed out, to unlock this entire offense to
play at their very best. So I don't think that's
going to be a talking point unless he has another
one of these, and frankly, playing the Browns is a
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recipe for that. That and then you start he starts
to just be a little concerned. But they're not going
to bench him anytime, shoot soon, they shouldn't. And we're
talking about the Panthers as if like they'd not in
the playoff mix, they're still only half a game back
of the Bucks, who are similarly having their own sets
of issues. The Panthers have the Rams this week, then
a bye, and then the Saints. You know, that's as
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big an underdog as you'll ever be against the Rams
and as big of a favorite as you'll ever be
against the Saints. And you never know what could happen.
But they're likely seven and six, and they wrap up
with two games against the Bucks in their final three
weeks and the Seahawks Sandwich in between, so it's all
in front of them. They could surprise us. I don't
expect any of I don't expect them to make it happen,
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you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
It's possible. It's possible, but you got to still.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Against the Bucks like you, as they like to say,
they control their own distance.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
I will say this, this postseason is going to be
the closing argument for the proposal that was floated at
the owner's meeting in the off season, which is reseting
the playoffs based on record and not on division title,
because we are looking happen at every reality in which
the South is going to produce a gross division title winner,
and we're also looking at a reality in which the
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North in the AFC side could produce a gross division
title winner and a team like Buffalo or a team
like the Chargers or the Chiefs are going to end.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Up on the road against one of these division winners
and it's going to be lopsided and they're going to
wonder why they got the home game in the first place.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Question that asking, is the NFC South the worst news
in NFL his now? I don't know. I know if
you mean historically, because for how dare you seven and nine,
it's been a lot of fun. AFC South has had
plenty of but there's been way worse NFC South years
just in the last decade. You know, there was a
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Panthers year where they got in at seven and nine.
There was a Buccaneers year where they got in I believe,
either with a losing record or five hundred record under
Todd Bowls. So very recently it has been much worse.
And I think the Bucks have a pretty high upside.
Another comment that if Teddy two gloves is the QB,
anyone can beat the Bucks. And while I agree with that,
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they're already saying Baker Mayfield has a chance to play
this week. I'll put a pin in that because we're
gonna talk some news and you know, just show up
next time a little more ready to play at Carolina Panthers.
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fire through news in like five minutes here, because we
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have a lot to get to. We're gonna get to
a new segment that we're debuting called Quarterback Keeper, where
she's gonna give us a little window, you know, into
his mind of how he's putting together QB Index this week.
But we did get some news. It's Monday, Shook, So
the Giants have fired someone. This is what we do
every Monday, right, Well.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I mean the Raiders didn't even wait till money to
fire Chip Kelly.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
So it's like, okay, they threw Davo off the off
the boat, and now they've thrown Shane Bowen out the
defensive coordinator after another just blown lead. I kind of
forgot that, not forgot that Shane Bowen was there. But
I was just like, oh, yeah, this makes sense. Why
didn't you do it when you fired Brian Dabel in
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the first place, if you're going to do it now.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Yeah, I mean, I kind of it makes sense why
you forgot he was there, because once you remove a
head coach, you just feel like the whole staff's gone,
because they basically are gone by the end of the season.
It's a Giants defense that I actually believe has more
talent than we realize, at least in the front seven,
and just doesn't perform up to standard. Now. They make
games difficult for opposing offenses. I mean, the week prior
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they pushed the Packers to the limit, but it has
been inconsistent, and I think in a game like that,
the Giants are in like machete mode, Like the organization
is where they're.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Like, Joe Shane is safe.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
He is our fearless leader, and he's been empowered with
the largest machete you'll see, and he's gonna cut in
any direction.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
He deems proper.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
If we continue to fail, and for a team like
the Giants who comes so close to winning so many
games and yet has not won in their last six,
somebody must pay for our loss, our latest loss, and
I think this time it was Shane Bowen. They're gonna
get a whole new staff. I mean it's or are they.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
I don't know. Kafka a few gules up, another another
flea flicker with Jameis Winston catching. I don't know. Kafka's
looked pretty good last couple of weeks. I'll say this,
I I feel like it's on the board because he
does come from a different coaching tree, because there was
always sort of like a he didn't it seems like
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he didn't get along with Dable. I'm just saying there's
a path here. If the last five weeks go really
well in jak and assuming he comes back for Monday
Night Football next week, plays well down the streets, they
would have to light it up and they'd have to
like not love the cannons. I'm just saying there's a
path for kaf back. And you know what my theory
is on this firing of Shane Bowen. They wanted the
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new coach bump for their new coordinator, Charlie Bullen for
their game against the Patriots. This is their super Bowl.
The Patriots are playing their worst right now. The Giants
are frisky and playing quite well despite losing these games.
That's their super Bowl next Monday night. You're gonna have
me all depressed afterwards when the Giants win that game.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I wrote about the new coach bump, the interim coach bump,
like I don't know, week when did when did we
get our first firing in this year?
Speaker 2 (27:44):
When did Brian Callahan get fired? Like week five?
Speaker 4 (27:47):
And sure, and it's proven to be at five hundred
or worse over the last like twenty years.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
It's yeah, but it.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Is now. The numbers are there.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
First of all in terms of like you know, you're
talking about the spread and we can talk about that,
like in terms of that first week back, like there
are there's historic president they do cover, you know, historically,
but the winning percentage has it does improve over time.
I mean it's nothing crazy, you improve from like the
average team is obviously so bad, but yes, that it's
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been shown that you that there is a market improvement.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
And usually that's a product of a locker room that
largely hated its coach, and I don't know if that's
really the case here.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Yeah, or it's just a product of the guys get
fired off of terrible teams at the very bottom, and
the averages will say over any you know, sample size.
After that, they're bound to improve a little bit, which
it does happen. So we'll see other news. Joe Burrow
expected to play on Thanksgiving Night. Great news, not a surprise.
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T Higgins and Trey Hendrickson not expecting to play. We
are going to preview all the Thanksgiving Day games on
Tuesday actually with Colleen Wolf and Steve Weisch and Jordan
So really looking forward to that. But glad we can
talk about Joe Burrow. Will Campbell, the Patriots offensive lineman,
has a torn MCL and their guard Jared Wilson has
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a high ankle sprain. Will Campbell. It's not believed to
be a season ending injury, according to Mike Brable, So
considering there was one report last night that said they
feared an ACL, that sounds like relatively good news. They
might have him back for the playoffs. Same thing with
Jared Wilson, who might be back even sooner than that.
We'll see you're shaking your head.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Yeah, because i Will Campbell wins with his feet like
that's his strength. It's not length, it's not size, it's
feet and I'm thinking about somebody wearing a bulking eebrace
because he has to and less than fully healthy knee,
Maybe a little bit of hesitation knowing that that knee
is injured. Luckily that they've already won ten games, they
have a little bit of like runway for him to
feel as right as possible before he has to play again.
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But I think that it diminishes his overall potential to
just be a reliable blocker for this team. So while
it's not season ending, and that's always good news, don't
expect him to be quite at the level he was before.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Probably not going to be back for the two games
swing they have against the Ravens and the Bills, which
is really the key part of their remaining schedule. They
will be heavy favorites in the rest of their games,
including on Monday Night, but I think they've shown like
they are due to stub their toe in one of
these games where they're heavily favored it. They've been close
to doing it so many times and they keep winning
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these close games. But they are at ten and two.
Got to respect it. Also, got to respect the Vikings
decision to sit JJ McCarthy this upcoming week. He is
in the concussion protocol. It's not official that he is
gonna sit, but seems pretty obvious, especially the way that
he played. It wouldn't have been a total shock if
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they had sat him for performance reasons. But McCarthy reported
concussions tomtoms on the way back, which you know, everyone
made their comments and I.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
See you going, hmmmm, it's a trend.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I thought that too, And then I saw the back
to back sequence of plays he had where he had
his head absolutely slammed into the turf, yeah, with five
minutes left, and I thought, well, the second one looked
pretty brutal.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
I will never discount or diminish somebody who is dealing
with the head injury, having dealt with many in my
own and I understand that they can manifest in a
number of different fashions. It's just a trend that he's
had like three post game injuries that have cost.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Him time this season. It's it's a little bit of
tinfoil hat there.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
What about your head? How is it doing after all
these brain injuries, because it's a it's a big one. Honestly,
I don't think it's just that you shave your head.
It just I think it's it's a you're a big man,
you got a big head.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
My hat size seven and three eight's were just a
little bit at average or slightly above. Greg I'm not
an egghead over here. Okay, no, but I'm just kidding no.
I mean, concussions can showup in any different way. I
had a concussion one time where everything went like shell shock.
I'll get a World War two film where everything went
black and white and my ears were just ringing and
it wasn't even a high impact.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
So they can show up just a bad headache.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
It can be any sort of thing that you maybe
don't even feel in the moment, you feel later. I
hope you know he takes the time to get right.
You know, obviously don't want to, like I said, diminish
a head injury or anything. I'm just like in a
really weird year for him, both in performance and lack
of availability.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Weird is a nice way to put it. Jayden Daniels
also has had a weird year. He is unlikely to
play this week, but it does sound like he will
play again this season. He is going to start practicing,
according to their coach Dan Quinn, So if he's practicing
he's probably only a week or two away from playing,
but that's just my guest shitter. Sanders will start again
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this week despite Dylan Gabriel clearing the concussion protocol seemed
like an obvious choice, but it's nice to see that
they're making it. And yeah, that not a bad matchup
against the forty nine ers, which doesn't have much of
a pass rush. By the way, the nine tonight, you
want to know, they're combined sacks and QB hits in
a game that Bryce Young couldn't get anything done. I
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want to guess, don't look, let's say five one and
it was a quarterback?
Speaker 2 (33:14):
They had one sack?
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Did they?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah? One sack. That's why I said five. I thought
there might be you know.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
The official number three quarterback hits. One was close ngs
led me astray. Maybe maybe did they all happen? At
the end? I apologize. I apologize to everyone who found
dare you? And finally in the news, Baker Mayfield has
a chance to start this week. He is a left
shoulder sprain. Also, Todd Bowles expects Bucky Irving to return,
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but we'll update all that during the week. And yeah,
we're gonna do a segment Shook on Thursdays moving forward
called Quarterback Keeper, and yes it is time for Quarterback Keeper,
presented by snap Dragon. And normally we'll kind of get
into your quarterback rankings that you do every week GB
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Index and talk about why you're making the rankings, what
it is. There's no Thursday this week, so we're doing
it on Monday. We're not going to be doing a
show on Thursday night this week. And I thought for
the first one, I just wanted to hear based on
your tape study, so everyone should know Shook's process. After
we're all done on Sunday night and he's had a
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twelve hour day whatever it is, and he's done watching games,
then he stays up and keeps watching games till like
three or four of the morning on game pass anyways,
up and watches them all the next day while he's
doing news, so he gets through all the games so
he can feel confident and have his notes to make
these rankings. It's a grind. I've been there, checklist, I've
done it all. I still go back and watch all
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the games too, but it's more intensive when you're doing
the notes and the grading for the quarterback. So for
this one. I just wanted to give you one riser,
someone that you watched this week that you like their
performance this week, that that could be climbing the rankings.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
So it was a weird Week four quarterback play overall,
because if you look at it from a surface level,
you think, all right, well, like Jamis had a great week, right,
and like maybe he'll be the riser, or maybe you'll
go look at Caleb William's stat line and think that
maybe that suggests that he had a great week and
he should be a riser. But as we mentioned last
night on the show and the recap show, sometimes stat
lines lie, and Caleb's stat line lied.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
So I'm going to go toward one that didn't lie
that bad because it just looked like total chaos but bad.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah, and I would I would like to put him there.
But I'm going to go back toward a favorite.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
It's going to be Dak Prescott because yeah, he threw
an interception in this game, but the way that he
overcame the early challenges and and managed to lead this
team forward and make some big time throws. And yes,
he has George Picken who is clearly his favorite receiver. Now,
I just felt, you know, the rushing touchdown, the somersault,
and the end zone. The significance of his performance in
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the second half was indicative of somebody who is owning
his role, his responsibility within this offense. So he's gonna
be my strongest riser I think this week, although I'm
still far from sorting out exactly, and sometimes that literally can.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Come down to where was he last week? In the rankings?
Speaker 4 (36:12):
I got the order down where was he last time? Well,
he's climbed back into the top ten after falling out
after a couple of bad weeks. Right, so folks are like, well,
why is he in there? Because they look at team
records and they look at stats and they're like, oh.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
He's not very good. The numbers could sometimes lie.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Dak climbed all the way up to six last week,
and the guy he's behind, Patrick Mahomes, the other guy
he's behind, Baker Mayfield, could move more.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Not saying he's going to because the rankings are.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Not finalized right now. That'll be something I do tomorrow.
But he is a guy that I like as a
riser this week, and the guy that's a faller. It's unfortunate,
but we sucked the Night's Rock Birdie. Ah, we already
talked about it, so I'm not going to go into
it too deeply, but it just doesn't look good coming
out of his hand right now. And it's not the
decisions were terrible, but I have seen this too much
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from him over his career, and it is only his
second game back from injury. But you could tell that
they were trying to avoid putting it in his hands
in big spots, and he did have some nice throws.
You know, he'd hit Kittle a couple of times right
touchdown past Juwan Jennings, which is a nice catch, and
then Jennings doing.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
The rest of the work.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
For where I put Purdy in the rankings when he
came back to the starting lineup, I think he's going
to fall down.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Well. He has thrown six interceptions this year on throws
over fifteen yards and has one touchdown on those. Like
he has just not been an accurate quarterback down the field,
which is where he's done a lot of work strength
right over the last few years, and he hasn't been
really one hundred percent from the start of the season.
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People might have a hard time remembering what he looked
like in those first you know, three or four weeks.
I think he had a good week one and then it.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Just kind of Jacksonville game wasn't bad.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
That wasn't good after that, So that makes sense. Look,
everyone's a critic. I'm included, step up, take the stand
da Dak Prescott should have been higher going into last
week than he was. He was. He wasn't though, No,
he was before.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Two bad games. And this is all recency on your part,
and I'll take you to tak for just.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
As not it's not. And I know that he had
like a their offense was uneven three out of four games,
which I think got lost in the shuffle when people
were talking about like the best up ins in the league,
Dallas cobbabys like actually they they went through a little
bit of a slump there. On balance going into that stretch,
I would have had him in my top three. So
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to me, that was enough good work and it wasn't
that catastrophic afterwards that there's no way he would have
been outside of my personal.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Okay, okay, seven, I respect that at any point, and
I will admit that my rankings have been volatile, uh
from time to time this week because it's just been
a very strange year for quarterback play. There hasn't been
like a real cream of the crop outside of like
May like even Josh Allen's had his struggles. And I
always favor Mahomes because I appreciate what he does as
an improviser and a play extender and somebody that powers
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that offense.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
And he's had some rough weeks. Baker obviously is a
streaky player who hasn't put together a good game in
a while now. So it's been a weird group at
the top.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Dak was in third in week eight, Okay, fell out
of the top ten after week ten.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Actually no, Okay, yes, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
I just love in the comment here that the unks
are Ball and Dak and Stafford. And we'll wrap with this.
I do love that the old school like way that
Dak Prescott plays is so pleasing for me to watch.
He He really is as close to a Manning Brady
type of quarterback as I think we have. He's not
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at that level, but he plays that type of football
where I think he really understands the game. I think
he manages the game. I think he calculates risks. I
think he's great before the snap and he plays from
the pocket and I'm watching him. Obviously, Stafford is playing
at another level even than Dak Prescott's playing at an
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MVP level. He's in a different situation where it's like
the Yin and the Yang with him and McVeigh. And
sometimes Stafford takes the wheel, sometimes McVeigh. Mostly McVeagh has
the wheel. But Stafford is just just such a brilliant
player that it is an incredible marriage. But Dak, to me,
is like he's old school, He's Johnny you watch, you know,
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watching watching Jacoby Brissett this week. He's not doing as
much I think in terms of making decisions, but he's
just back there in the pocket throwing darts fifty times
a game that reminded me of like old Dan Marino
or j Bledtone. And I'm talking about like thirty six
year old Dan Marino, not young Dan Marie. Yeah, but
he's just like I kind of like watching that, you
know what I love. I love the athletic you know,
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quarterbacks who are running around as much as anyone, maybe more,
But I like having some variety. It's good to have
this style quarterback too. It's good to have a little
bit of both.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
I want to see your thoughts on hear your thoughts
on my comfort Dak. I think he's a slightly more
cerebral John Elway in the fact that he can extend
the play and has the athleticism and the arm to
get it done. I will It's gonna take me a
long time to forget that throw that he completed against
the Packers where he's jumping into a throw and getting
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hit at the same time and it goes all the
way down and crazifi like.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
He makes some incredible plays. So that's why I put.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Him more on the Lway than because like Brady was
never really mobile and Manning was never really mobile.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Dak's no, he's yeah, he I mean Elway was, I
mean hearing somewhere wherever he is like the total shots
fired that you just said, Uh, basically a smarter Lway.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
I mean that's I think that Dak is dealing with
more compact coverage than John Alway.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Ever, did not that John Ellaway wasn't cerebral, but John.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Away a system quarterback.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Come out, No, I'm not not at all just joking.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
John Away, you know, one of the all time great athletes.
So I would I would take I would take a
umbradge if I was John Elway with that comparison, just
because he was a totally sick athlete. And I gotta
be real when I'm talking about players from before my
time and I watched them growing up and stuff, and
like when I was in high school and stuff, I
wasn't breaking it down. I don't know what he was
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like from the neck up, so I don't I'm not
going to make some sort of disparaging remark like shie, did.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Oh here we go? No, I mean, come on, dex
an athlete? Did we not just talk about the Somersault
Touch's an athlete?
Speaker 3 (42:37):
But he's not John Elway. John Away was like a
top five pick in the MLB drafting that he's calling
over people. He was like a mix of like Ben
Roethlisberger and and Steve McNair or something like a much
more athletic like he was so hard to take down.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
But I think you could think you the goal right now.
I think that this is an unfair disparagement of Dak's athleticism.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
John Elway was. I want to look up his rushing numbers,
you know what the heck? While we're here, and yes
we are wrapping up here. I mean this, this man
was a difference maker as a runner, but you know what,
his rushing numbers not as good as I was hoping.
So I'm not gonna thank you. Thank you you ever
do that, by the way, you're like writing an article
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or even you're doing a podcast, and you have the
time while someone else is talking to like look up stats,
and you're like looking up for something good that you
think is going to really support your point, and then
it completely disproves your point and then just shut up.
You don't ever mention it. Just like I'm still gonna
make my point, but I just won't bring that up.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Although I'll get you back here.
Speaker 4 (43:38):
Lay in the late stages of his career was operating
the Shanahan offense, and we know how good the zone
blocking scheme and what it did for running back.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
So it's not like he had to run very much.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
No, But I was shocked. I'm shocked because I think
of him as a guy when he was younger that
that was out there getting it done.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
But you throw he made in the drive that where
he's rolling to his left and he just fires it.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Dak makes throws like that. That's why that compon.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
Okay, it's a it's a better one than I thought.
He's putting up like two hundred and fifty yards in
like four rushing touchdowns a year. That's that's pretty dak like. Actually.
Final comment of the day from from the great viewers
watching us late on a Monday night. Elway was the
goat before the goat. Appreciate y'all, Chookie, you are the
primetime goat.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Of this one with a big head, with a big head.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
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Steve Weisch. We will also be previewing the Week thirteen slate. Overall,
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is here,
Purty takes the snap, another toss play to McCaffrey gets
to the edge on the left side.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Black from us check is.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
To the fast I want to speak into the e
zone touchdown. What a beautiful play and that was vintage
San Francisco clinic blocking.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yes, it was vintage Christian McCaffrey all night long, at
least when his quarterback wasn't throwing the ball away. The
forty nine Ers steamroll the Panthers twenty to nine on
Monday Night Football. That was one of let's count him up.
Twenty four carries, seven catches, thirty one touches for over
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one hundred and forty yards from scrimmage for Christian McCaffrey,
who gets it done each and every week, as does
Nick Shook, as does Justin Allegri. By the way, on KNBR,
thank you for that forty nine Ers cruise, Shookie. And
I'll start with this big picture. I'm not going to
drill down on the McCaffrey of it all. Let's talk
big picture. How dangerous do you think this forty nine
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Ers team is at eight and four with games against
the Titans and Browns up next than a bye, they
are very likely to be sitting ten and four in
mid December, entering a tough final slate. How dangerous do
you think this forty nine Ers team is?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I mean very dangerous because they're most likely going to
show up as a wildcard team. They're gonna be a
wild card team that's gonna be able to take down
a lesser division winner, which is the first step in
improving your dangerousness to the rest of the league. It's
also a team that has proven to be a great
case study in how giving yourself a good backup quarterback
and organizational cohesiveness can lead you through the fire like
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they have had enough injuries to derail their season. They've
had previous seasons get derailed by injuries this team. No, yes,
you lose, Fred Warner, guess what you gave up nine
points to the Carolina Panthers tonight. You completely shut down
their offense. Yes, de Brock party for a long time. Yeah,
had Mac Jones to step in and the unifying factor
to all of this. And I'm a little concerned about
this because I just looked at his total touches going
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into tonight is Christian McCaffrey. It's it's kind of absurd.
The amount of times he's touched the football this year.
Like mental math, which I'm not very good at, so
forgive me, but I believe he came into the game
tonight with two hundred and sixty seven total touches and
add another what thirty two tonight?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
What does that put us at two ninety nine?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Oh my yeah, I think it was thirty one. So
that is insane. He's almost over three hundred touches. People like, oh, well,
you know, you gotta try to It's like, that's that's
what we heard about Saquon Barkley, by the way, all
off season. Oh, you know, the total touches. He'll be fine.
And now you look, and I don't think it's a coincidence.
Saquon Barkley is happening.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
They're here, Niners are here a career.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
But they're here. And that's that's kind of the long
term view. I gotta say. McCaffrey, I think has looked
better as this season has worn on, So you definitely
don't see it affecting him on the field tonight. Yet
he actually had his longest run I believe, of the season. No,
he had a seventeen yard run in the second half
and a nineteen yard catch. He did have a twenty
yarder last week. But at least they're getting close to
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explosive plays that actually counts as an explosive. And here's
another thing. They're good enough to overcome their quarterback throwing
three interceptions in the first half. And I couldn't have
been the only person that was thinking back about the
Mac Jones brock Purty scale, and I was saying, you know,
mac Jones climbed higher than I expected on the Kyle
Shanahan quarterback scale. I think he passed Jimmy g and
(03:29):
he's definitely below rock Purty. But tonight, you know, Mac Jones,
I don't think would have been throwing those picks. It
is a little bit of a concern in the short term.
I'm not concerned about brock Purty in the long term.
But it's now two games and if you went back
and watched that performance last week, the ball just kind
of came out funny. I thought last week, like, yeah,
it didn't look great, and he had a two throws
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in that game that probably could have or should have
been intercepted. And in this game, especially early, he had
the three picks, and then after that he only almost
threw a couple more at the at the end of
the second quarter, You're thinking, what is going on here?
As long as he wasn't throwing the ball in Harm's way,
this offense looked awesome tonight, long drives in everything. What
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is your concern level of where Purdy is that.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
I mean, some of it feels like it's maybe rust
because he just hasn't been on the field in so long.
And then you also think about like how much is
like they gave him a considerable amount of time to
come back from the tow issue, but it wasn't the
only ailment he was dealing with, at least earlier in
the season.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
What I see is a ball that has too much
air under it.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Consistently, it doesn't come out with the same zip as
it did I don't know, maybe last season or early
this season, which makes me think that's foot related, as
if he's not, you know, using his legs enough in
his throwing motion. Like the first pick in the end
zone left too much air under it and it ends
up short. Second one kind of the same situation a
little bit late on that throw, and then the third
one was a great play by Jay z Horne but
that's three play three series in a row where you're
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turning the ball over via interception. A better team makes
you pay for that, and you maybe lose this game.
And it's not to you know, rain on the forty
nine ers parade for winning on Monday night football. But
if you're going to be as good as possible, your
quarterback has to be a big part of that. You
have paid him a lot of money, You have built
a lot of your identity offensively around him. It is
a testament to Kyle Shanahan that you can acknowledge that
maybe we don't need him or want him to carry
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us to victory, and we're just gonna lean on Christian
McCaffrey and we're gonna become a bog constrict offense. We're
gonna march down the field in ten plus plays in
three of our four scoring drives. We're gonna take up
at least six and a half minutes in three of
those four scoring drives. And the one that didn't is
because they had great field position after a takeaway.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
And that's fine.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
That you control time of possession on the road and
in the playoffs, you're gonna win football games provided your
quarterback doesn't give away the football too much, so level
of concern pretty high, but he does have enough runway
to iron it out, and I think a lot of
it is still due to roughs.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, they're a great comment in the chat. Thank you
to everyone who's joining us live on YouTube, and obviously
thank you to everyone that's checking out NFL daily in
your feed. We love you. We got a full week
of shows here in Thanksgiving week, and look like those
three interceptions, they were bad throws. He only had nine
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in completions, So I would say of those nine incompletions,
like the Panthers got their hands on about six or
seven of them. I could go check the box score
in terms of pass the defense the rest of them. Like,
he made the right decisions for the most part, even
the decision on the interception to Piersall, for instance in
the end zone where he steps up and he passes
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up a couple open receivers underneath. I don't even hate
the decision, neither Detroy Aikman. But I thought the same
thing where it's like, yeah, Pearsall had him one on one,
and if he had a better ball location, Like I
like Pearsall's chance with a little bit of leverage and
his athleticism of making a play on the ball, and
it's just the ball's not going where he wants it
to go. So that's a concern. Sometimes the schedule gods
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help you out. And this is not a good Panthers defense,
and they definitely got a lot worse when j C. Horn,
who had two interceptions in this game. It was nice
to see one of the star young Panthers players show
up early. I mean he was in perty's head. He
got his hands on another ball early. You pointed out
on Twitter he looked great, and then he goes for
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a concussion test. And if it wasn't for that, man like,
the Panthers defense just couldn't get off the field. They
are not a serious defense. I think it's a reminder
we're talking about the forty nine ers is like, okay,
their defense shook, probably is not going to hold up
in the playoff setting, at least not against like Seattle
or LA if they had to play them. I think
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that'd be pretty dangerous in most other games. But it's
nothing like the Panthers defense, Like there's still even if
there's not necessarily that much more talent and there's probably
a little more talent still in San Francisco. They're just
better coached and especially playing at home, like they played
with their hair on fire, and I know the Panthers
offenses looked like that on a lot of nights in
this season. But they've had their good games too, including
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last week. And the forty nine ers defense plays with
a level of aggression and they're well coached. It was
impressive to us.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
That's the key.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
They're well coached and they're able. I mean, because I
think they made it really difficult for Bryce going to
do anything tonight. Now, Bryce Young had his share of mistakes.
He had his interceptions that he threw too, and the
first one that he threw in the end zone was
a gift to the forty nine ers after they'd given
them the ball at the nine ers sixteen.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
It was a late throw.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
It was it was probably a full second late. It
was a bad decision being thrown into traffic, and it
was delivered with a casual nature that's typical of like
an end of half hail Mary, not a play where
you're rolling out on the goal line and when you
could potentially run it in. And I think that's what
started the downfall of this offense throughout the rest of
the night because outside of the red zone opportunities, Bryce
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Young just looked like he was never really confident. And
that is a testament to this Niners defense. Despite all
the players that they've lost, they still have guys in
their making plays and the most important thing, like you said,
they're well coached. They're disciplined no matter who's in there.
Maybe you don't have the elite athlete like a Fred Warner,
but you got guys who are going to consistently get
their job done within every play, and that's gonna make
it tough for an offense with the ceiling that is
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really only raised by a big Rico dabble rushing game, Like,
it's gonna make it tough for that offense to move
the ball if they can't run the ball, which has
been the Panther story all year.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Can we get a little more Rico Daddle and Chuba
Hubbard in this game he.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Gets a carry for two yards and a carry for
three yards. They're just like, we're just not gonna run
the ball for the next ten minutes. It's frustrating.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Here's the thing though, like Rico Dada went six for
thirty eight. Tonight, Chuba Hubbard went three for sixteen. They
only had nine runs, and so I see their design
success rate. You know, it's a bad night for your
design success rate, which is one of my favorite stats
when I can tell like, oh, they were four for nine,
Like that was their design success rate because they only
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ran the ball nine times, Like that's four for nine,
Like that's crazy. True. Bryce Young ran it four other times,
but those were scrambles, so they dropped back to pass
thirty six times. And there were there were just a
lot of not ready for primetime moments. Like literally, this
Panthers team, when was the last time they were in
a real primetime game. They had so many different moments
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that they just felt not ready. I think you picked
the most important one, which is that first Bryce Young
interception after they get the short field after their turnover.
I mean, the game was just drunk early with those
brock Party interceptions and Christian McCaffrey tried to fumble it
at one point, but the Panthers couldn't fall on the ball.
What was your favorite Panthers not ready for primetime moment? Hmmm?
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Putting you on the spot, m that's a great one.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Uh, this is early, but I think it hurt their
offensive momentum ted mcmillion dropping a wide open down that
was one of them right there, Like that killed that drive.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
There was a.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Scenario early in this game, I think where the Panthers
faced four and three and Canalis had them rush up
the line a bit of a muddle huddle and then
immediately was like nope, punt, Like they just they didn't
come with the aggression that you need to win a
game on the road.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Like that, Like Gus is what I'm talking about, gotless punt.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
We're on the same wavelength. I wrote down a feud
not ready for prime time moments, and that was like
two of the two of the five I wrote down,
Like hell yeah, Canalis losing a little, a little love,
a little like hood spots. Like they've been going for
those four downs all year, which I've appreciated, and they've
been a better offense than what they showed tonight and
they punt there. You mentioned McMillan, and yeah, Jordan was
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texting with me tonight and she was just pointing out
like he just wasn't physical enough tonight. He was getting
bodied around a couple of times. It's just too bad
to see because I think he's had an incredible year,
and he did make some catches later, but it was
not a great night.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
I would like to quote Jared Allen here and say
that I think the lights were too bright.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Mmm. It did kind of feel like that for them
as a team or they Then again, I've seen them
play some pretty terrible games at ten am Pacific this
year too. That's the thing with this Panthers team, why
even though they came into this game six and five,
it was hard to really take them too seriously, not
only the underlying like DVOA and all those sort of numbers,
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but in five of in like four of those five losses,
they've just looked horrible, and they've looked like tonight where
they're not competitive offensively. Xavier Lagett had his kind of
one brain fart of the game where he went out
of bounds late and then didn't re establish himself, just
completely lost where he was. And then when I hate
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it when a team makes the extra point but there's
a penalty on it. Shout out to JJ Jansen getting
a little uh yes, yes, okay, he was a host.
By the way of NFL Daily over the summer. That
was a great episode with Jordan. And so they make
the extra point and then they moved the ball from
the two to the one and they're like, oh, we
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got to go for it now. That one yard made
such a difference, And I'm thinking, okay, does it first
of all, doesn't really make that much of a difference.
And the answer is absolutely not if you throw the ball.
Troy Aikman made the same rant that I was all
ready to make. I had written it down. I'm like,
I'm what's the difference of throwing the ball at the
one or the two? And also, why are you confident
in Bryce Young in that situation? He had no one
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opened to throw to it.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Just just why every moment in which they had a
chance to build momentum they took it out on themselves
and that.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Was one of them.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
And yes, I don't care what you think about momentum,
because in a game like this you need a little
bit on your side, especially the amount of comeback.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
In the fourth career point.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
You just had your best scoring drive of the night,
your only touchdown drive of the night. You had a
great ball to Teed McMillan in the back of the
end zone, and what do you do.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
You get greedy?
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Let just take the extra point, make it ten points.
At that point, I think they were only down by seven.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Take that.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
It's fine. The one yard closer and you're not going
to run the football. It doesn't matter. And what I
also hate is that when you are down by that margin,
and this is so pervasive in the NFL, and analytics
says you should do this, but in my opinion, why
would you go for two? And the thought is, well,
if you go for two the first time, then you
know what you need the second time. I don't care
if you know what you need the second time, because
I know what I need the second time, two extra
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points to tie the game, because if I don't get
the two point conversion the first time, I have to
get the two point conversion the second time to tie it. Obviously,
they were never in a position to do that, but
had they encountered that, had they lost by that narrow margin,
you can go right back to that first decision, which
is why I think it's dumb every time greed does
not pay off in this game.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Okay, let's actually listen to that touchdown throw so we
can see something positive out of the Panthers and breakdown.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Bryce and the gun Robert has been in all drive
Young in the pocket pro steep down field, has a
man open caught by McMillan, the California Connection, Bryce Young
to Tenroa McMillan ay twenty nine yard touchdown, and it's
all one score game, seventeen to nine with forty nine
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seconds to go in the third.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
You hear that that seventeen to nine as an ooh,
they got a chance to get back into it. They
look kind of.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Good there yet until you missed the two point conversion,
you're right back to where you were before.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
You know, that decision didn't cost them the game, but
it was just annoying. I also didn't like them trying
a fifty seven yarder at the very end of the
game instead of just going for a fourth and eight,
like because they were trying to cut it to eight
from fifty seven yards out, like that's some sort of
automatic and maybe I'm just judging the result. I love
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the comment here. I assume it's from a Panther fan
who says his son is out of his mind worried
about having a too short king for years now as
a too short king like it's a fine way to
be in the world. There are a lot of advantages
on planes. It's just way more comfortable. We have a
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too short family here. We're all very happy. I think
we're a good looking family. We all get along. It
keeps you humble. But to play quarterback in the NFL,
I do think it's a little bit of a negative.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah, a little bit for it. Although although putting too
short in quotes just makes me think of the rapper
too short Bay Area legend. Appropriate for tonight.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And yeah, thank thank you to the viewer who's saying
I'm a perfectly short king. Okay, let's move on quick soon,
and we are going to give a little love to
one of the members of the forty nine ers. Yes,
it is time for who Delivered, presented by Uber Eats.
And I think the winner tonight has to be George Kittle,
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just because we haven't given him any love. Six catches
for seventy eight yards. I also noticed him having some
like flashy bot blocks in this game. It was almost
like look at me blocks, which I love. Like him
getting on the ground, getting dirty, and he's looked more
explosive over the last couple of weeks and he has
been absolutely great and is going to be crucial. I
do think this offense, I think there's a path to
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win a playoff game against a team like the Packers
or the Lions, or a team that has had enough
offensive problems that you don't think or the Eagles that
you don't think they'll necessarily fully punish what this defense
is all about. And the reason I think there's a
path shook is that I do think by the time
the playoffs hit, brock Purdy could be playing better. And
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with Kittle and Jennings and pearsall who was pretty quiet tonight,
and McCaffrey, even Brian Robinson as a backup, you got
used check out there like they could put up thirty
five in any game, and with their coaching staff, like
I just think they have a chance to put a
scare into someone or win a playoff game or two,
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which to me would be like a massively successful season.
Two would be a little shocking, But even making the
playoffs for this team, to me, will be an accomplishment,
and I do think they will get there.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
You'd have to catch fire to win two playoff games.
That would definitely exceed my expectation for them. But I
do think that Kittle, being who delivered tonight is a
great choice for multiple reasons, one the most important one
being while we spend all this time focusing on Christian McCaffrey,
I actually think it's George Kittle that unlocks this offense,
and it's because of his rapport with Brock Party, and
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it's also because of the way that.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
He just kind of levels out their passing.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Game because he's such a good blocker, but he's also
a great, you know, threat in the passing game. He
can make, you know, very athletic plays. He can serve
as a reliable target. But that Brock Party has an
extended rapport with all of that can kind of come
together open up everything else for your receivers around you.
You get yourself back from injury. You know, he played
to night, and you got Jennings and everything else. I
just think like you take Kittle out of the mix,
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that offense goes down a few notches, whereas with him involved,
you're at a much higher ceiling, and then you can
kind of use everybody.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Else that you just listed.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
And I also think that what we saw tonight could
be the formula for the forty nine ers. Winning a
playoff game is by establishing just ball control, possession focused
offense with a few splash plays to a guy like
George Kittle.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Maybe you're throwing up to Ricky Piersall and he makes the.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Play, but Kittle's got to be the focus of your offense,
even if it's not like blatantly the focus of your offense.
Internally on the sideline, you got to be thinking all
the time, how are we going to get Kittle involved
in this play? How are we going to turn to
him to make a difference, Because I think that's where
their offense elevates the most.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Yeah, and I think their offensive line has played pretty
well this year. I think it's grown into form. It's
like there's just something about these Shanahan teams. You always
think the talent on the offensive line isn't enough, and
then you get to Thanksgiving and like it's enough. They're
playing well. And you look at the backfield in terms
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of the defense, no matter who the coordinator's been there,
and you're like, I don't know if they have enough
players back there, Like they're a little smaller, they're mid
mid to late round picks. I don't know if they're
good enough. And then you get to the end of
the season and they're playing pretty good ball, and I
think this has been an impressive season. And I see
a note that their schedule's not that easy. I beg
to differ. They have a perfect schedule. I mean, they
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have two games where they'll be heavily favored, the Browns
and the Titans. The Browns are you know, frisky enough
that their defense can keep them in any game, but
those are games they should win. That gets them to
ten wins. That might be enough right there. The other
three games has the Colts, the Bears, and the Seahawks.
But none of those are easy games. But look, you
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want to find out where you are. Three straight is tough.
But Colts and Bears are games that I don't think
they're like heavy underdogs. If they're underdogs in those games
at all, I don't necessarily think they are. The Bears
games at home, and yeah, the Seahawks, like I said
in the Rams, I think are going to be tough
for this team. I think, yeah, last apart, but that's
that to me. If you had one of those three games,
you're at eleven wins and you're a six or seven seed,
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and if you win two of those games like you're
pretty frisky.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Pretty inos, I kind of wonder if they only have
one method of success offensively.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
And this is I'm saying this while.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Knowing what they did in Arizona last week, which is
kind of a not a fluky game, but a weird
game because it was just very much splash plays and
not much else in between. In that, like the formula
we self to night is their best chance of victory
and that they may be the only way they beat
a team like Seattle. I think Chicago doesn't present as
much of a threat for them and leans more towards
their favor.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
But maybe the same is true for Indianapolis.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
This next game though, And it's not because I live
in Cleveland, but I know that Browns defense is a
test for every offense they face.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
It's also I looked up the weather.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Sunday high of forty low of thirty four, more than
snow showers. The last time the Niners ran to inclement weather,
Jake Moody missed a game winning field goal, so he's
obviously not on the team anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
But I think it is going to be an interesting test.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Of Brock Purty coming off of a three interception performance,
Can they get on the right track against the defense
that's caused a lot of problems for a lot of opponents.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I think the pressure has ratcheted up on Party this week.
I'm not sounding the alarm bells because I spent a
lot of the offseason actually backing up Rock Party, saying
why some of the things he does his next level
in terms of his anticipation, the way he sees the field.
He's just physically not performing well enough right now. But
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I think he can get there. So I've had fun
talking up Mac Jones. I think Mac Jones played really
well for a backup quarterback. I think they need Brock Purty,
as Jordan's pointed out, to unlock this entire offense to
play at their very best. So I don't think that's
going to be a talking point unless he has another
one of these, and frankly, playing the Browns is a
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recipe for that. That and then you start he starts
to just be a little concerned. But they're not going
to bench him anytime, shoot soon, they shouldn't. And we're
talking about the Panthers as if like they'd not in
the playoff mix, they're still only half a game back
of the Bucks, who are similarly having their own sets
of issues. The Panthers have the Rams this week, then
a bye, and then the Saints. You know, that's as
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big an underdog as you'll ever be against the Rams
and as big of a favorite as you'll ever be
against the Saints. And you never know what could happen.
But they're likely seven and six, and they wrap up
with two games against the Bucks in their final three
weeks and the Seahawks Sandwich in between, so it's all
in front of them. They could surprise us. I don't
expect any of I don't expect them to make it happen,
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you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
It's possible. It's possible, but you got to still.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Against the Bucks like you, as they like to say,
they control their own distance.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
I will say this, this postseason is going to be
the closing argument for the proposal that was floated at
the owner's meeting in the off season, which is reseting
the playoffs based on record and not on division title,
because we are looking happen at every reality in which
the South is going to produce a gross division title winner,
and we're also looking at a reality in which the
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North in the AFC side could produce a gross division
title winner and a team like Buffalo or a team
like the Chargers or the Chiefs are going to end.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Up on the road against one of these division winners
and it's going to be lopsided and they're going to
wonder why they got the home game in the first place.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Question that asking, is the NFC South the worst news
in NFL his now? I don't know. I know if
you mean historically, because for how dare you seven and nine,
it's been a lot of fun. AFC South has had
plenty of but there's been way worse NFC South years
just in the last decade. You know, there was a
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Panthers year where they got in at seven and nine.
There was a Buccaneers year where they got in I believe,
either with a losing record or five hundred record under
Todd Bowls. So very recently it has been much worse.
And I think the Bucks have a pretty high upside.
Another comment that if Teddy two gloves is the QB,
anyone can beat the Bucks. And while I agree with that,
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they're already saying Baker Mayfield has a chance to play
this week. I'll put a pin in that because we're
gonna talk some news and you know, just show up
next time a little more ready to play at Carolina Panthers.
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delivery partner of the NFL. Order. Now, okay, let's just
fire through news in like five minutes here, because we
(24:47):
have a lot to get to. We're gonna get to
a new segment that we're debuting called Quarterback Keeper, where
she's gonna give us a little window, you know, into
his mind of how he's putting together QB Index this week.
But we did get some news. It's Monday, Shook, So
the Giants have fired someone. This is what we do
every Monday, right, Well.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I mean the Raiders didn't even wait till money to
fire Chip Kelly.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
So it's like, okay, they threw Davo off the off
the boat, and now they've thrown Shane Bowen out the
defensive coordinator after another just blown lead. I kind of
forgot that, not forgot that Shane Bowen was there. But
I was just like, oh, yeah, this makes sense. Why
didn't you do it when you fired Brian Dabel in
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the first place, if you're going to do it now.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Yeah, I mean, I kind of it makes sense why
you forgot he was there, because once you remove a
head coach, you just feel like the whole staff's gone,
because they basically are gone by the end of the season.
It's a Giants defense that I actually believe has more
talent than we realize, at least in the front seven,
and just doesn't perform up to standard. Now. They make
games difficult for opposing offenses. I mean, the week prior
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they pushed the Packers to the limit, but it has
been inconsistent, and I think in a game like that,
the Giants are in like machete mode, Like the organization
is where they're.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Like, Joe Shane is safe.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
He is our fearless leader, and he's been empowered with
the largest machete you'll see, and he's gonna cut in
any direction.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
He deems proper.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
If we continue to fail, and for a team like
the Giants who comes so close to winning so many
games and yet has not won in their last six,
somebody must pay for our loss, our latest loss, and
I think this time it was Shane Bowen. They're gonna
get a whole new staff. I mean it's or are they.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
I don't know. Kafka a few gules up, another another
flea flicker with Jameis Winston catching. I don't know. Kafka's
looked pretty good last couple of weeks. I'll say this,
I I feel like it's on the board because he
does come from a different coaching tree, because there was
always sort of like a he didn't it seems like
(26:52):
he didn't get along with Dable. I'm just saying there's
a path here. If the last five weeks go really
well in jak and assuming he comes back for Monday
Night Football next week, plays well down the streets, they
would have to light it up and they'd have to
like not love the cannons. I'm just saying there's a
path for kaf back. And you know what my theory
is on this firing of Shane Bowen. They wanted the
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new coach bump for their new coordinator, Charlie Bullen for
their game against the Patriots. This is their super Bowl.
The Patriots are playing their worst right now. The Giants
are frisky and playing quite well despite losing these games.
That's their super Bowl next Monday night. You're gonna have
me all depressed afterwards when the Giants win that game.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I wrote about the new coach bump, the interim coach bump,
like I don't know, week when did when did we
get our first firing in this year?
Speaker 2 (27:44):
When did Brian Callahan get fired? Like week five?
Speaker 4 (27:47):
And sure, and it's proven to be at five hundred
or worse over the last like twenty years.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
It's yeah, but it.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Is now. The numbers are there.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
First of all in terms of like you know, you're
talking about the spread and we can talk about that,
like in terms of that first week back, like there
are there's historic president they do cover, you know, historically,
but the winning percentage has it does improve over time.
I mean it's nothing crazy, you improve from like the
average team is obviously so bad, but yes, that it's
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been shown that you that there is a market improvement.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
And usually that's a product of a locker room that
largely hated its coach, and I don't know if that's
really the case here.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Yeah, or it's just a product of the guys get
fired off of terrible teams at the very bottom, and
the averages will say over any you know, sample size.
After that, they're bound to improve a little bit, which
it does happen. So we'll see other news. Joe Burrow
expected to play on Thanksgiving Night. Great news, not a surprise.
(28:53):
T Higgins and Trey Hendrickson not expecting to play. We
are going to preview all the Thanksgiving Day games on
Tuesday actually with Colleen Wolf and Steve Weisch and Jordan
So really looking forward to that. But glad we can
talk about Joe Burrow. Will Campbell, the Patriots offensive lineman,
has a torn MCL and their guard Jared Wilson has
(29:15):
a high ankle sprain. Will Campbell. It's not believed to
be a season ending injury, according to Mike Brable, So
considering there was one report last night that said they
feared an ACL, that sounds like relatively good news. They
might have him back for the playoffs. Same thing with
Jared Wilson, who might be back even sooner than that.
We'll see you're shaking your head.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Yeah, because i Will Campbell wins with his feet like
that's his strength. It's not length, it's not size, it's
feet and I'm thinking about somebody wearing a bulking eebrace
because he has to and less than fully healthy knee,
Maybe a little bit of hesitation knowing that that knee
is injured. Luckily that they've already won ten games, they
have a little bit of like runway for him to
feel as right as possible before he has to play again.
(30:00):
But I think that it diminishes his overall potential to
just be a reliable blocker for this team. So while
it's not season ending, and that's always good news, don't
expect him to be quite at the level he was before.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Probably not going to be back for the two games
swing they have against the Ravens and the Bills, which
is really the key part of their remaining schedule. They
will be heavy favorites in the rest of their games,
including on Monday Night, but I think they've shown like
they are due to stub their toe in one of
these games where they're heavily favored it. They've been close
to doing it so many times and they keep winning
(30:33):
these close games. But they are at ten and two.
Got to respect it. Also, got to respect the Vikings
decision to sit JJ McCarthy this upcoming week. He is
in the concussion protocol. It's not official that he is
gonna sit, but seems pretty obvious, especially the way that
he played. It wouldn't have been a total shock if
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they had sat him for performance reasons. But McCarthy reported
concussions tomtoms on the way back, which you know, everyone
made their comments and I.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
See you going, hmmmm, it's a trend.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I thought that too, And then I saw the back
to back sequence of plays he had where he had
his head absolutely slammed into the turf, yeah, with five
minutes left, and I thought, well, the second one looked
pretty brutal.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
I will never discount or diminish somebody who is dealing
with the head injury, having dealt with many in my
own and I understand that they can manifest in a
number of different fashions. It's just a trend that he's
had like three post game injuries that have cost.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Him time this season. It's it's a little bit of
tinfoil hat there.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
What about your head? How is it doing after all
these brain injuries, because it's a it's a big one. Honestly,
I don't think it's just that you shave your head.
It just I think it's it's a you're a big man,
you got a big head.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
My hat size seven and three eight's were just a
little bit at average or slightly above. Greg I'm not
an egghead over here. Okay, no, but I'm just kidding no.
I mean, concussions can showup in any different way. I
had a concussion one time where everything went like shell shock.
I'll get a World War two film where everything went
black and white and my ears were just ringing and
it wasn't even a high impact.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
So they can show up just a bad headache.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
It can be any sort of thing that you maybe
don't even feel in the moment, you feel later. I
hope you know he takes the time to get right.
You know, obviously don't want to, like I said, diminish
a head injury or anything. I'm just like in a
really weird year for him, both in performance and lack
of availability.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Weird is a nice way to put it. Jayden Daniels
also has had a weird year. He is unlikely to
play this week, but it does sound like he will
play again this season. He is going to start practicing,
according to their coach Dan Quinn, So if he's practicing
he's probably only a week or two away from playing,
but that's just my guest shitter. Sanders will start again
(32:45):
this week despite Dylan Gabriel clearing the concussion protocol seemed
like an obvious choice, but it's nice to see that
they're making it. And yeah, that not a bad matchup
against the forty nine ers, which doesn't have much of
a pass rush. By the way, the nine tonight, you
want to know, they're combined sacks and QB hits in
a game that Bryce Young couldn't get anything done. I
(33:07):
want to guess, don't look, let's say five one and
it was a quarterback?
Speaker 2 (33:14):
They had one sack?
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Did they?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah? One sack. That's why I said five. I thought
there might be you know.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
The official number three quarterback hits. One was close ngs
led me astray. Maybe maybe did they all happen? At
the end? I apologize. I apologize to everyone who found
dare you? And finally in the news, Baker Mayfield has
a chance to start this week. He is a left
shoulder sprain. Also, Todd Bowles expects Bucky Irving to return,
(33:44):
but we'll update all that during the week. And yeah,
we're gonna do a segment Shook on Thursdays moving forward
called Quarterback Keeper, and yes it is time for Quarterback Keeper,
presented by snap Dragon. And normally we'll kind of get
into your quarterback rankings that you do every week GB
(34:04):
Index and talk about why you're making the rankings, what
it is. There's no Thursday this week, so we're doing
it on Monday. We're not going to be doing a
show on Thursday night this week. And I thought for
the first one, I just wanted to hear based on
your tape study, so everyone should know Shook's process. After
we're all done on Sunday night and he's had a
(34:26):
twelve hour day whatever it is, and he's done watching games,
then he stays up and keeps watching games till like
three or four of the morning on game pass anyways,
up and watches them all the next day while he's
doing news, so he gets through all the games so
he can feel confident and have his notes to make
these rankings. It's a grind. I've been there, checklist, I've
done it all. I still go back and watch all
(34:48):
the games too, but it's more intensive when you're doing
the notes and the grading for the quarterback. So for
this one. I just wanted to give you one riser,
someone that you watched this week that you like their
performance this week, that that could be climbing the rankings.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
So it was a weird Week four quarterback play overall,
because if you look at it from a surface level,
you think, all right, well, like Jamis had a great week, right,
and like maybe he'll be the riser, or maybe you'll
go look at Caleb William's stat line and think that
maybe that suggests that he had a great week and
he should be a riser. But as we mentioned last
night on the show and the recap show, sometimes stat
lines lie, and Caleb's stat line lied.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
So I'm going to go toward one that didn't lie
that bad because it just looked like total chaos but bad.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah, and I would I would like to put him there.
But I'm going to go back toward a favorite.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
It's going to be Dak Prescott because yeah, he threw
an interception in this game, but the way that he
overcame the early challenges and and managed to lead this
team forward and make some big time throws. And yes,
he has George Picken who is clearly his favorite receiver. Now,
I just felt, you know, the rushing touchdown, the somersault,
and the end zone. The significance of his performance in
(35:58):
the second half was indicative of somebody who is owning
his role, his responsibility within this offense. So he's gonna
be my strongest riser I think this week, although I'm
still far from sorting out exactly, and sometimes that literally can.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Come down to where was he last week? In the rankings?
Speaker 4 (36:12):
I got the order down where was he last time? Well,
he's climbed back into the top ten after falling out
after a couple of bad weeks. Right, so folks are like, well,
why is he in there? Because they look at team
records and they look at stats and they're like, oh.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
He's not very good. The numbers could sometimes lie.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Dak climbed all the way up to six last week,
and the guy he's behind, Patrick Mahomes, the other guy
he's behind, Baker Mayfield, could move more.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Not saying he's going to because the rankings are.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Not finalized right now. That'll be something I do tomorrow.
But he is a guy that I like as a
riser this week, and the guy that's a faller. It's unfortunate,
but we sucked the Night's Rock Birdie. Ah, we already
talked about it, so I'm not going to go into
it too deeply, but it just doesn't look good coming
out of his hand right now. And it's not the
decisions were terrible, but I have seen this too much
(36:57):
from him over his career, and it is only his
second game back from injury. But you could tell that
they were trying to avoid putting it in his hands
in big spots, and he did have some nice throws.
You know, he'd hit Kittle a couple of times right
touchdown past Juwan Jennings, which is a nice catch, and
then Jennings doing.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
The rest of the work.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
For where I put Purdy in the rankings when he
came back to the starting lineup, I think he's going
to fall down.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Well. He has thrown six interceptions this year on throws
over fifteen yards and has one touchdown on those. Like
he has just not been an accurate quarterback down the field,
which is where he's done a lot of work strength
right over the last few years, and he hasn't been
really one hundred percent from the start of the season.
(37:42):
People might have a hard time remembering what he looked
like in those first you know, three or four weeks.
I think he had a good week one and then it.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Just kind of Jacksonville game wasn't bad.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
That wasn't good after that, So that makes sense. Look,
everyone's a critic. I'm included, step up, take the stand
da Dak Prescott should have been higher going into last
week than he was. He was. He wasn't though, No,
he was before.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Two bad games. And this is all recency on your part,
and I'll take you to tak for just.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
As not it's not. And I know that he had
like a their offense was uneven three out of four games,
which I think got lost in the shuffle when people
were talking about like the best up ins in the league,
Dallas cobbabys like actually they they went through a little
bit of a slump there. On balance going into that stretch,
I would have had him in my top three. So
(38:38):
to me, that was enough good work and it wasn't
that catastrophic afterwards that there's no way he would have
been outside of my personal.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Okay, okay, seven, I respect that at any point, and
I will admit that my rankings have been volatile, uh
from time to time this week because it's just been
a very strange year for quarterback play. There hasn't been
like a real cream of the crop outside of like
May like even Josh Allen's had his struggles. And I
always favor Mahomes because I appreciate what he does as
an improviser and a play extender and somebody that powers
(39:08):
that offense.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
And he's had some rough weeks. Baker obviously is a
streaky player who hasn't put together a good game in
a while now. So it's been a weird group at
the top.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Dak was in third in week eight, Okay, fell out
of the top ten after week ten.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Actually no, Okay, yes, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
I just love in the comment here that the unks
are Ball and Dak and Stafford. And we'll wrap with this.
I do love that the old school like way that
Dak Prescott plays is so pleasing for me to watch.
He He really is as close to a Manning Brady
type of quarterback as I think we have. He's not
(39:48):
at that level, but he plays that type of football
where I think he really understands the game. I think
he manages the game. I think he calculates risks. I
think he's great before the snap and he plays from
the pocket and I'm watching him. Obviously, Stafford is playing
at another level even than Dak Prescott's playing at an
(40:10):
MVP level. He's in a different situation where it's like
the Yin and the Yang with him and McVeigh. And
sometimes Stafford takes the wheel, sometimes McVeigh. Mostly McVeagh has
the wheel. But Stafford is just just such a brilliant
player that it is an incredible marriage. But Dak, to me,
is like he's old school, He's Johnny you watch, you know,
(40:31):
watching watching Jacoby Brissett this week. He's not doing as
much I think in terms of making decisions, but he's
just back there in the pocket throwing darts fifty times
a game that reminded me of like old Dan Marino
or j Bledtone. And I'm talking about like thirty six
year old Dan Marino, not young Dan Marie. Yeah, but
he's just like I kind of like watching that, you
know what I love. I love the athletic you know,
(40:53):
quarterbacks who are running around as much as anyone, maybe more,
But I like having some variety. It's good to have
this style quarterback too. It's good to have a little
bit of both.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
I want to see your thoughts on hear your thoughts
on my comfort Dak. I think he's a slightly more
cerebral John Elway in the fact that he can extend
the play and has the athleticism and the arm to
get it done. I will It's gonna take me a
long time to forget that throw that he completed against
the Packers where he's jumping into a throw and getting
(41:25):
hit at the same time and it goes all the
way down and crazifi like.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
He makes some incredible plays. So that's why I put.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Him more on the Lway than because like Brady was
never really mobile and Manning was never really mobile.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Dak's no, he's yeah, he I mean Elway was, I
mean hearing somewhere wherever he is like the total shots
fired that you just said, Uh, basically a smarter Lway.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
I mean that's I think that Dak is dealing with
more compact coverage than John Alway.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Ever, did not that John Ellaway wasn't cerebral, but John.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Away a system quarterback.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Come out, No, I'm not not at all just joking.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
John Away, you know, one of the all time great athletes.
So I would I would take I would take a
umbradge if I was John Elway with that comparison, just
because he was a totally sick athlete. And I gotta
be real when I'm talking about players from before my
time and I watched them growing up and stuff, and
like when I was in high school and stuff, I
wasn't breaking it down. I don't know what he was
(42:27):
like from the neck up, so I don't I'm not
going to make some sort of disparaging remark like shie, did.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Oh here we go? No, I mean, come on, dex
an athlete? Did we not just talk about the Somersault
Touch's an athlete?
Speaker 3 (42:37):
But he's not John Elway. John Away was like a
top five pick in the MLB drafting that he's calling
over people. He was like a mix of like Ben
Roethlisberger and and Steve McNair or something like a much
more athletic like he was so hard to take down.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
But I think you could think you the goal right now.
I think that this is an unfair disparagement of Dak's athleticism.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
John Elway was. I want to look up his rushing numbers,
you know what the heck? While we're here, and yes
we are wrapping up here. I mean this, this man
was a difference maker as a runner, but you know what,
his rushing numbers not as good as I was hoping.
So I'm not gonna thank you. Thank you you ever
do that, by the way, you're like writing an article
(43:20):
or even you're doing a podcast, and you have the
time while someone else is talking to like look up stats,
and you're like looking up for something good that you
think is going to really support your point, and then
it completely disproves your point and then just shut up.
You don't ever mention it. Just like I'm still gonna
make my point, but I just won't bring that up.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Although I'll get you back here.
Speaker 4 (43:38):
Lay in the late stages of his career was operating
the Shanahan offense, and we know how good the zone
blocking scheme and what it did for running back.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
So it's not like he had to run very much.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
No, But I was shocked. I'm shocked because I think
of him as a guy when he was younger that
that was out there getting it done.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
But you throw he made in the drive that where
he's rolling to his left and he just fires it.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Dak makes throws like that. That's why that compon.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
Okay, it's a it's a better one than I thought.
He's putting up like two hundred and fifty yards in
like four rushing touchdowns a year. That's that's pretty dak like. Actually.
Final comment of the day from from the great viewers
watching us late on a Monday night. Elway was the
goat before the goat. Appreciate y'all, Chookie, you are the
primetime goat.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Of this one with a big head, with a big head.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
This was Quarterback Keeper presented by Snapdragon. Learn more at
snapdragon dot com slash laptops. Okay, that's it, let's hit
the music. Let's get out of here. We got a
couple of big shows to tape on Tuesday. I will
be talking Thanksgiving games, like I said, Colleen Wolf, Jordan Rodrieg,
(44:46):
Steve Weisch. We will also be previewing the Week thirteen slate. Overall,
that show is going to go up on Wednesday, but
we're gonna do it with a little twist. We're gonna
put a timer on it. It's gonna be a lot
of fun. Big week coming up at NFL Daily. Thanksgiving
is here,
Host
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