June 19, 2025 • 45 mins
Patrick Claybon sits in for Gregg Rosenthal and is joined by Omar Ruiz to take a look at the off season's biggest storylines and tell you if they think it matters. First, the guys get you caught up on news from around the NFL including the Ravens signing Jaire Alexander (03:05), an update on Kyren Williams' status with the Rams (06:15), and Travis Hunter's usage next season (14:14). After the break, the guys compare news from this season to news from last offseason and ask does it matter, including Justin Jefferson and Ja'Marr Chase getting contract extensions (18:22), Trevor Lawrence and Brock Purdy getting contract extensions (30:25), Christian McCaffrey and Saquon Barkley being the Madden cover athlete (33:52), who will be on Hard Knocks (37:25), and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to NFL Daily.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hopefully you are safe, healthy and ready for some football discussion.
What's up everybody, Patrick claiboun Here in the Chris Westling
podcast Studio, Greg Rosenthal is off gallivanting in his ancestral
lands with his offspring.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Hopefully Greg's having a good time.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Here to celebrate, not celebrate, because Greg's had the team
on his back. Like Greg Jennings since the inception of
the show. Our first trip in the podcast studio signs
Greg for me Omar Ruiz of NFL Network spending time
actively disregarding his news shift to spend this time with us.
Thanks for spending time.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Hey, thanks for having me. I love the Greg Jennings reference.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Fun fact, I had the walk off interview with him
when he was a Packer and they played the Minnesota
Vikings when the Vikings Stadium was being built and they're
playing at the University of Minnesota Field. So it's a
very memorable interview I had of a couple games I
did in that old facility, and you know, bringing back
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some core memories there.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
And it's funny because there's this whole generation of NFL
fans that only knows Greg Jennings from the YouTube Madden
clip where he's scoring a touchdown with a broken leg
that I'm constantly referencing. It's like pure Internet versus the
people who are like, oh, Greg Jennings, he was a
good player, the very solid Packers wide receiver. That's kind
of that argument for Yeah, they didn't have to draft
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guys in the first round because all these guys drafted
after the first round. They had a lot of successful
So what we have done today, I have kidnapped Omar
from his news shift because it's that time of year
where we are constantly doing news. The news department at
NFL Media is the backbone of this operation, and I'm
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biased the centerpiece of that backbone, the core structure is
the person that is doing the news updates and that
is the task that Omar has today and every days.
It's like a k us, a collection of everything to
make one minute of television worthwhile to people and Omar
at this time of year it can be a.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Little tougher than others.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Oh it is.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Well, Thank goodness, we had four teams delaying their mini
camps to this week and giving us some actual Patrick
mahomes in the news today. Lamar Jackson's speaking this week,
and the Rams going to Maui with the Maui camp,
and the Giants and all their quarterbacks are in are
in mini camp, so you know, we have some actual fodder,
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some actual news, and yeah, it's a fun time of
year before I think we all check out for a
little bit, Patrick.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
And that's the hope today. We're gonna after we're gonna
hit the news of today, and then we're going to
look back at the news of the day from June
twenty twenty four, all of the consternations surrounding the discussions
of all of those news items, and we're going to
ask the simple question was this important? Like how much
did this actually matter? So we're gonna get to that,
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but we start today with a little bit of the
news that the news of the day as of this point,
because again, Omar could bolt out of here at any
moment to go do some more news. The Ravens sign
Lamar Jackson's college teammate JayR Alexander to a new deal
after they couldn't get things worked out in Green Bay.
There was discussions of a potential trade all offseason. This
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was the thing that's like Gayr is coming back. Maybe
no he's gonna be a Raven Omar.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I like this move for the Ravens because they're obviously
one of those teams because of Lamar Jackson. They're always
going to contend. They're always going to be among those
teams we talk about at the end of the year.
Are they going to make some noise in the postseason?
Is this year they get to the Super Bowl? So
when you're building their roster, as Eric Tacosta does and
John Harbad does, getting a piece like JayR Alexander could
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be that difference at the end of the year when
we're talking about depth and the war of attrition that
is the NFL season.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Not to mention he's a good player.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
You know, we kind of forget that because he's been
on the shelf so much the last couple of years.
But if he can stay hell healthy, if they can
build depth in that room, then he could be a
difference maker as well as being a key depth piece
for a AFC contender.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So I like the move and I would.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Imagine and obviously Lamar Jackson alluding to it when he
campaigned to get JayR Alexander and for them to sign him.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
They were in the same recruiting class.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
They played three years together at Louisville, and they're both
first round picks fourteen picks apart in the twenty eighteen drafts,
so they're obviously boys. I'm sure Lamar Jackson vouched to
Eric DaCosta and John Harbaugh for him his character, his
locker room presence, and it'll be exciting to see what
he does there in Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
And ultimately with about one year four million dollars that
there are some incentives there that could change that value.
But you have to wonder, why does it feel like
they were the only players in this Because I understand
JayR has missed games. He only played in seven games
last year, but you go back to twenty twenty only
there was an injury, he only played four games. He
played sixteen the next season at a very high leve Well,
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if I'm not mistaken, Yeah, he went to the Pro
Bowl and got second team Associated Press votes. There at
the cornerback position, people get hurt, you know, it's something
that happens. But JayR Alexander still can play cornerback at
a high level.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
I think he's one of those players that probably would
have gotten a lot more noise closer to training camp,
and I think the Ravens just jumped on it early
before there was really any competition for their suitors. And again,
I think when you talk about, you know, the presence
that he has, and we know he can be a
big personality. We saw what he did in Carolina a
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couple of years ago. Maybe the last week he inserted
himself as a captain because he's from there, even though
he was at an actual captain.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
You know, those are the things he might have to
deal with with Jay or Alexander.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
But again with Lamar Jackson, the two time MVP vouching
for his old college buddy, I think that made a
big difference there with you know, DaCosta and Harbaugh and
everybody else being on board with that.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
And as a franchise ideology, I don't think you could
ever have.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Too many cornerbacks.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And they had injuries in the secondary in the offseason
as well. So it's a good opportunity for the Baltimore
Ravens and you know, they do it again. They get
a veteran who can play very, very good football. We'll
go to here in Los Angeles. Sean McVay says that
the Rams have made progress with Kyen Williams as far
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as a contract is concerned. A guy who looks to
get the line's share of Carrie's and opportunities. And it
makes me wonder, Omar, because we've seen relationships between Sean
McVay and running backs deteriorate in the past. How confident
are you that this one is ultimately gonna work.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
I think it will because I think Kyron Williams showing
up at OTA's, showing up at mini camp despite the
contract negotiation, I think is a testament to that relationship
with Sean McVay as it currently stands. I think behind
the scenes, they've expressed to Kyron, and they've publicly said
just how important he is to their success. They want
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to build around the run game and how it's not
just that he's productive, but how he runs the football
so inspiring. He's a heart and soul type of figure
for that offense, and obviously want to build around what
he can do on the football field and the way
he has shown up And I saw him out at
OTA practice a couple of weeks ago, still has that
big smile on his face, and he was doing a
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lot of stuff on the side because you know, when
players are having these negotiations play out, they try not
to get two in the weeds, you know, maybe mixing
up with other players. Don't want to get hurt in
that sense. So he's kind of doing stuff, but he
had a good attitude. He's running around, still sprinting, kind
of showing that energy that we see on Sundays, showing
that in OTA practice despite this contract negotiation. So I
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think all of that together kind of shows the good
faith that's there between him and the organization and the
reason why I think, you know, I'm pretty confident that
that'll get done at some point.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, when the relationships work, they generally do with with
Sean McVay and company, and that's why they're making efforts
to get Jalen Ramsey back. But Sean McVay did say
there are some obstacles and acquiring Jalen Ramsey. I'm assuming
Jalen Ramsey's not going for one year four million dollars.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Problem twenty four million obstacles to be exact, perhaps based
on what he's expected to be paid in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, and so the Rams obviously are going to be
a contender in the division. Another long time NFC western
Kalais Campbell, back with the Arizona Cardinals, had some thoughts
this week about what he would like to do because
he's still he's playing at a relatively high level, at
a relatively you know, advanced age for the NFL. I'm
not going to call Kalais Campbell because they have to
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find a mirror. But here's what Khalais Campbell had to say.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
But I take be the mentor, you know, with a
lot of honor. You know, I enjoy passing knowledge. I
feel like, you know, is some point for me to
die with all this knowledge, you know, go to the
graveyard whatever. In my career, with all this knowledge, I
have to share as many as many people as possible,
and especially people that are going to help West win
ball game.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Don't scare him like that.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Clais Is fine, don't mention that hopefully he's got sixty
some thing more years please of ability to pass on
this knowledge. Yeah, one of the better guys in the league.
And looking just some of this list of other guys
were drafted in two thousand and eight. OMAR podcasters Chris
Long and Martellis Bennett, WOW, CBS color broadcaster Matt Ryan
team color broadcaster Keeb Talib and Bear's second all time
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leading rusher, Matt Forte. These guys have been out in
the league forever. Kalaius was still doing it.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
That's amazing. I think Joe Flacco is in that class
right two thousand and eight.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
So you got these two thousand eight draft class guys.
And for me, because you said, you know, looking in
the mirror and all that, I love when these old
guys still play. And Aaron Rodgers, for all the drama
that he can bring, it makes me feel not as old. Yeah,
quite frankly, just just to be blunt about it. And
with Kalayis, Campbell is still bumping around and like you said,
playing at a high level. And I think when you
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talk about what he meant to that Dolphins team last
year and when they had hopes to turn their season around,
if they were going to make a push to the playoffs,
and they didn't want to trade Campbell because they was
such an important piece to that team. Obviously they fell
short and it didn't work out for them. But just
goes to show you what he still means to an organization,
what he still means to a defense, and especially with
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the Cardinals.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
You know a lot of people talk about them.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Perhaps if they can get kind of Kyler Murray to
play consistently all year long and Jonathan Gannon can finally
get that defense to take that step to the upper echelon.
If Kalayas Campbell's a big part of that, that'd be
an interesting topic to talk about down the road.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Now and for sure, and you spent so much time
with this team in this Gannon era where I've called
the twenty twenty four defense the search bar because all
season I was like, wait, who is that? Who made
this play? And so now you add Kalais Campbell to
that group. What do you think that does for the
Cardinals specifically?
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Oh, it brings leadership. It brings productivity, especially up the middle.
You know when you're talking about you know, stuffing the
run and the things that you kind of have to
do to be a successful team the way Jonathan Gannon
wants to run that defense. And I think what we've
talked about so often is the draft class of twenty
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three of twenty four, so many young players have played.
Like you mentioned, you're searching who is this guy? And
Campbell brings a lot of leadership to that team, knows how.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
To play at a high level.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Has played in a Super Bowl his rookie year, so
he's played in big postseason games. Obviously, was part of
that Jacksonville Jaguars team with Jalen Ramsey. Speaking of Ramsey
back in twenty seventeen, that made that deep AFC run,
and that was a similar type of team. We had
younger players that had cut their teeth for a couple
of years and they put it all together. And I
think that's where the Cardinals are at. So the experience
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he has from that to bring to Arizona back where
he started his career, in the place that he had
gone to a Super Bowl, I think that all that
is kind of the pieces that they're looking for.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I think a lot of talents there. Obviously, they spent a.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Lot of draft capital this past draft on defensive players,
and I think Klayis is a player that can bring
it all together and get it going the way again.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
In one there's.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Reason to believe this is not just is they're talking
about the Cardinals again. There's reason to believe the Cardinals
can make trouble in the NFC West. As you know,
there's been a lot of changes and of course the
most consistent parts generally being the Rams and the forty
nine ers. We don't necessarily feel the way about the
forty nine ers. Perhaps, you know John Lynch's crying poor
this week saying, oh we got to you know, we
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had to pay the quarterback. He also essentially played for free.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
For four years. So yeah, you figure those things out.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
And speaking of retirements, off of Kalais Campbell again, hopefully
you play forever Kalais Dan Mehars, the original k C Wolf,
is retiring after thirty five years as the mascot. He
was the longest tenured mascot in the league omar by
more than twelve years, according to the website.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
No way, but that's different than the bandit guy, right, No, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Again, it's very important. Dan Mehars, the KC.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Wolf is not to be confused with the imposter superfan
that was arrested on.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Federal bay Croft charges.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Just seventeen years for bank robbing and money laundering, not
Dan Mehars. He kind of casts a spersions on the
entire Wolf community. Dan Mehers was doing it the right way.
The other guy was roping banks and following the team
and leaving a massive trail of breadcrumbs for the FBI.
But he said, thirty five years for Mears. Yeah, thirty
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years incredible in a costume. That's a long time.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
I just imagine all those trips to the tunnel taking
off today and then especially in those cold weather playoff
games when it's negative seven, and seeing all the steam
come off his face. I wish there should be an
NFL Films documentary, not just him, but all the mascots,
especially the ones that play in the cold weather elements,
especially in playoff time. And my goodness, that's that's just
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Dan mehers Owt to get his Arrowhead right there, his
name on there and maybe retire.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, maybe put some fur up there in Arrowhead and
in the top next to the lights. You know, we
talk about suits all the time in corporate America. Will
shout out to the folks in the suits. Yeah, on
Sundays and Thursdays and occasionally Tuesdays and Saturdays.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Just five years rocking big old suits. And that's a
long time to do anything, Patrick, literally anything.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
One of the newest guys, not doing it for a
long time, but doing it to a level that we appreciate.
An offseason James Gladstone down for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Had
a conversation with friend of the show Andrew Siciliano about
just what Travis Hunter is going to do if they
gave up so much to get them, and probably for
good reason in my opinion, how do you approach how
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much you play them and where you do it.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
He does not tire.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
He has got a spark, He has got the energy,
the capacity from a physical standpoint, just to be able.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
To do it is certainly there. It'll be in terms
of one game to the next. Where does it fit,
Where does it make the most sense.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Certain game plans might dictate usage differently.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
So there it is, and that's the obvious answer, right.
It depends on the game plan. But you know what,
I'm celebrating omar an opportunity to get on my soapbox
and have an agenda pushed out to the people on
this show with you by my side of here we go. So,
Travis Hunter played more snaps in college football than anyone
in the history in a single season.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Last year he won the Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
He was drafted to be an offensive player question mark,
defensive player question mark. At some point, someone needs to
say this season that Travis Hunter is a high motor guy. Right,
At some point Travis Hunter has to break the barrier
and be the high motor guy if.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
He's got the highest of motors.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Right, if he's going to play all these snaps on offense,
maybe question mark all these snaps on defense, When are
we going to break the barrier and get somebody in
the secondary to be a high motor guy if he's
literally playing more football than everybody else.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Omore.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
See my thing with Travis Hunter, and I want him
to succeed. I think this would be an amazing story
if he was an elite NFL player on both sides
of the ball the way he was in college. And
you said he didn't just play more snaps than anybody,
he played those snaps at the highest levels of college
football and won the Heisman Trophy. My thing is is,
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after watching so many players and covering this league for
as long as I have, you just see how much
work behind the scenes goes into being an elite, elite
NFL player. I'm talking about the film study and the
working on the body, and the studying of the playbook
and analyzing every different move and tell of their opponents individually.
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Collectively in the scheme, all of it that goes into
being a Hall of Fame Pro Bowl type of player.
To find that time to do that on both sides
of the ball, I think that's where the tricky element
of how to use Travis Hunter how good can he be?
Come in because I think there's no question that he
can has the stamina to do it. I remember Daniel
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Jeremiah saying when he went to that Pro Day or
what do they call it, the oh the NFL showcase. Yeah,
how he did all these running routes and and he
didn't break a sweat a single time. And so I
think he that is the difference making element to him.
I think the stamina is what separates him from anybody
else who's attempted to do this. He is just wired
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differently in that way. But just again, the time behind
the scenes to spend to become elite at both positions,
that is the tricky part, and I think that ultimately
will be the story of his success. How he navigates that.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I say it all the time that you you acquire
unique talent and you utilize that talent uniquely, And I
can't think of a talent more unique yep, than Travis
hunter based on what he's able to do. There's a
great bit over on NFL dot Com. Our dear friend
Judypatista has an off season article that I think everybody
needs to pay attention to. It's things to maybe not
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pay too much attention to. She pointed out that it's
it's tempting to look at Travis Hunters snaps in JAG's
mining camp and say, oh, he's gonna play this.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
There's a lot to go. But we're gonna take a
page out of Judy's book.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
When we come back, and we're going to examine what
are the off season stories from last year?
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Did they matter?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
And do their corollaries matter in comparison this year. That's
coming up when we come back right here on NFL Daily.
Back on NFL Daily, I love this music coming out
of break that we generally do. We found because Omar
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the Intrepid Reporter was asking about our break music. It's
called Breaking Easy, Breaking Easy, the smooth What sitcom do
we reference.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Three's Company there? It is sounds very seventies eighties ish
shout out to Joyce de Wit and.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Breaking Oh it is, Oh my goodness, it's and breaking easy.
It sounds like a breakfast restaurant too. Shout out to
my hunger.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I can actually I can actually see the still shots
of the of the stars of the show eating in
and out, and it's like, oh.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Yeah, John Ritter start a three's company and the one
that did just the workouts, what.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Was gonna Susanne Summers, And there it is. That's the
three choice to win, John ridd and Summers. We did it,
no googling as as we gently fade back and forth.
Shout out to those of you who are watching us
on YouTube. Uh, feel free to comment, say say horrible
things about me, specifically said omark.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
And liking subscribe. I've always wanted we got inscribed.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
We got some more, I got some more internet stuff
that we'll wrap up this show today.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
If that's that's a little bit of a tease.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
But I wanted because because we do this, we spend
so much time trying to scrounge some days for off
season news before you go off and start covering the
training camps and getting in there in person and doing
like actual stuff. But it's some days it's a bit
of a slog and I wanted to look at owned
last year and say how much how much of this
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stuff actually had an impact? And we're putting not necessarily you,
because you guys are listening to us or watching on
YouTube and liking and commenting and subscribing, but there's there's
this general pack of folks that consume NFL news in
a bunch and it's like, well, how much of that
really played out? So let's go through the top off
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season stories of twenty twenty four, starting with the number
one story. Last off season, Omar the Vikings signed Justin
Jefferson to a four year, one hundred and forty million
dollars tracked extension. At the time, it was the biggest
of an NFL history, but it seemed like a foregone
conclusion because it was Justin Jefferson who was the Vikings,
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and we felt like it was gonna happen no matter what.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
And the biggest for non quarterback, right is that set
the bar.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
That was the marketing statement that they had out at
the time.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
And then we see there Jamaar Chases did the same
thing in for non quarterbacks. But I think it was
it was big because Justin Jefferson, I think the confidence
that they had in him, I felt the Vikings, and
obviously the confidence that they had in Kevin O'Connell to
coach these quarterbacks. But as long as Justin Jefferson is
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in the lineup, I think Kevin O'Connell felt that I
could play JJ McCarthy, and obviously before he got hurt,
I could play Sam Donald, I can play anybody, Josh
Doobbs jobs, yeah, and actually win football games with the
Minnesota Vikings. But I think it's Justin Jefferson the foundational piece,
the confidence that he exudes, not only in the locker room,
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on the field, the confidence that he instills into his quarterbacks,
and I think that was emblematic of what we saw
play out and the Vikings, you know, won all those games,
went to the playoffs, and Darnald had a career year,
made one hundred million dollars now in Seattle, and now
usher's in the JJ McCarthy era in Minnesota. But I
think Justin Jefferson is the key to all that.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
And honestly, because there was a time in a copycat
league where narratives generally develop among media, and we were
watching Super Bowl fifty one earlier today in the newsroom
and I bemoaned as I always do. They only threw
Julio the ball four times. And because the Falcons lost
in that Super Bowl and there was that run of
Patriots championships and then the team that had Randy didn't
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actually win, there was this idea that, oh, well, if
you have a top flight wide receiver and pay them,
then you can't win the Super Bowl. But then the
Rams have Cooper Cup win with arguably one of the
best wide receiver seasons in the past thirty years. We
just saw aj Brown and the Eagles win a Super
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Bowl and Jamar Chase very very close. In fact, if
you know Aaron Donald wasn't one of the best players
we've ever seen, Jamar Chase might have scored a walk
off touchdown in that Super Bowl. Where now the ideas
shifted and people realize, hey, if you have good players,
you put them on, you pay them, and you try
to use them however you.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Can, and just yeah, how dominant they can be in
an offense and how they dictate coverage and just what
impact it has on their opponents. And I think Jamar
Chase is certainly one of those. And I think it's
not only just a production that a player like him
and Justin Jefferson can provide, but it's it's, like I said,
the scheming and the matchups and with the chess match
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that you have when you have one of those guys,
you know that the opponent's defensive coordinator is staying up
at night trying to figure out schemes and what else
can that benefit you as an offense going against that
with a player as dominant as those two. So I
think it is shifted back in that regard, and I
think you know, the money obviously continues to trend up
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with the salary cap and all that, and you can
afford to do stuff like that. But yeah, the Cooper Cup,
you know, super Bowl fifty six season and going against
Jamar Chase. That was an epic season for both those
guys and obviously played out in the Super Bowl that way.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah, I'm going to actually give the edge to the
Jamar Chase version of this story because it's the Bengals
and it felt like for a while like is this
going to happen? Is one of the top four receivers
in the NFL going to be able to hit the
open market because we don't know what the Bengals are
going to do, and they still you know, Tree Hendrickson
and Jamar Stewart, as they very well know, there's still
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some contractual malfeast that's going on in Cincinnati, but we
can definitively say that paying one of the best receivers
in the NFL as an offseason story.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
It matters. Hey, well, yeah, there we go.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Well, it's funny you mentioned that, because, yeah, I think
we talked about justin Jefferson, how it mattered. I thought
last year, how I think Jamar Chase is going to
matter this year. But I think big picture, this was
the opportunity for the Bengals to shed the Bengals are
no longer the Bengals. They pay not just Jamar Chase,
but t Higgins as well, and kind of get acknowledgment
(24:54):
for Joe Burrow's words that, hey, sign these guys. We're
in the business of getting good players, and they shed
that reputation for all of what two weeks.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Two weeks because Joe did mention Trey as well, and
this week some conversations have been happening. Hopefully those conversations
were fruitful both for Trey Hendrickson and for the Cincinnati Bengals,
because they're obviously a very very fun team.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Our number two story from last year was the.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
NFL announcing training camp schedules and dates for all thirty
two teams. That was a huge article on NFL dot com,
and clearly because fans want to be a part, they
want to participate. It's a story folks who are interested in.
It made me wonder do training camp dates matter for
the teams? And statistically I went and looked it up. Omar,
(25:41):
the Chiefs, the Eagles, the Super Bowl contenders generally start
around July eighteenth till the twenty second, but so does
everybody else, so that doesn't actually matter. But in terms
of when to get guys in, do you think the
dates omar matter?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Don't?
Speaker 4 (26:00):
I think in today's day and age, with with the
with the sports science and the fifteen trainers that the
teams have on staff to make sure that every practice
and every allotted minute of practice time that they get
with the collective bargaining agreement, that it is allocated so
fine tuned, and they dedicate year round sports science to
(26:25):
it that whether they get their July eighteenth or July
twenty fourth, that they'll have them ready by September tenth
and they'll figure all that out.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
So the dates I don't think matters.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
But by the way, how are we ranking this based
on the clicks on NFL dot was purely.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
On NFL dot Com. As shout out to Dave Eally,
I went through. He was my source to go through
and mind the data to see what the people what.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
The people cleeel the most, Okay, really really interested in
because yes, obviously fans of this institution NFL Daily with
Greg Rowsethal, No, you know, we can get into the minutia,
and there are some initial stories that I do want
to cover because they're fun and silly and involve players
who can be somewhat hilarious.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
That's a little bit of a tens.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I am curious.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
I was curious to see when the Chargers opened up.
Obviously we live here in LA one of the teams
that I would cover because the Hall of Fame game
is in July this year, so I was a holy cow, when.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Do they open up training camp then?
Speaker 4 (27:19):
And it was July seventeen, so I have two weeks
to prepare for that game in Canton. But it seems
like that creeps up every year a little bit.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
You know, we're gonna die. We're we come close to
hitting seven days in a week. The pandemic helped with that. Yeah,
eventually we're gonna get twelve months in the year and
it's it's gonna happen, and we're gonna be doing this
podcast from your actual house listening to this.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Okay, so let's go.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
We've we determined the particular training camp dates don't actually matter.
I don't know, all right, Let's go to one that
I do think in terms of fan interest is peculiar
to me because it generates a lot of discussion and
as the being counters know, does you know there's no
such thing as bad thing number four story because there
were some some negative stories that we're not gonna talk.
(28:04):
We did lose Larry Allen last year Chiefs player, had
a cardiac arrest. There was in Yeah, of course those
things matter. But the number four story. The Vikings unveiled
the Winter Warrior alternate uniform for twenty twenty four and
the Ravens revealed a new alternate Purple Rising helmet. It
had made me think of the announcement for the announcement
(28:26):
Omar of a new Chargers uniform that has yet to
be seen, but they announced that an announcement is coming,
which is a particular NFL practice that we love so much.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
So as a fan, do you get excited for new uniforms.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
I don't get excited for new uniforms, but I do
admit when I do see them. So when I see
that it's been announced, I'm like, Okay, who cares. But
then on July fifteenth, I think is when that Chargers
is going to be released. When it comes out and
it's flying everywhere on social media, I'm like, oh, these
(29:02):
are nice and same thing. I remember the Vikings last
year and just thinking that those were icy. I think
they were all white, right right, and we're like, oh man,
these are gonna look something else. Speaking of Justin and Jefferson,
he's gonna look great in these and so yeah. So similarly,
when they actually come out, I pay attention. I'm all
over it. But as far as the dates being released
(29:23):
of the uniform reveal not as big of adea.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, I think specifically just just my again, no fashion
knowledge whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I am famously not a fashion guy. I'm rocking this network.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Tea network, Polo because it's it keeps me from getting
grief for wearing shorts the eyes odd shorts that I
got from TJ Max twelve years ago that somehow are
still in my life.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
They're horrible. That's besides the point.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
We're both acknowledged Cotsco wardrobe guys through and through.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah, shout out to the shark.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Unfortunate, you know, some unfortunate political opinions, but you know
Greg Norman shorts on sale at Costco. The Chargers wouldn't
announce an announcement of uniforms to me if powder blue
wasn't a significant portion.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yes, of it has to be.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
And so that's that's my potential thing. Does it matter, No,
but it is. It is.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
It's going to be exciting to see a uniform that
generally everybody loves. So number five, let's get to quarterback contracts.
And I think we need to preface this by making
it about the player, because in twenty twenty four, Trevor
Lawrence got a five year contract that could be worth
up to two hundred and seventy five million dollars, And
in twenty twenty five, after much discussion, probably the most
(30:40):
discussed quarterback contract from the moment he finally started like
he got on the field Rock Perty did and the
universe will never know because his elbow exploded in the
NFC Championship game how that season would have gone. How
do you feel about those offseason stories mattering and does
the quarterback involved in them change that for you?
Speaker 1 (31:00):
It certainly does.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
And I think what I think is interesting about those
two is to me they were related because I think
there was all that debate you mentioned rock Pretty discussion
for years what was he going to get because obviously
his rookie year, he exploded on the scene that ended
with that busted elbow in the twenty twenty two NFC
Championship game, So it had been debated for years. And
(31:22):
then once I saw that Trevor Lawrence got what he
got in twenty twenty four, I was like, oh, man,
Rock Purty is going to get paid.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Now.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Obviously we didn't know exactly how much, but he wasn't
going to do any hometown discount or settle for anything
less than close to market value. Once I saw what
Trevor Lawrence had done, because if you watch football, whether
you're a Rock Pretty fan or not, you cannot disagree
with his productivity on the field and whether yes, he
(31:53):
has an All Star team around him or not, he
functions in that offense the way they want him to
function in that offense. It at a high level has
taken a team to a super Bowl. When you compare
everything that he's accomplished that Trevor Lawrence, it's not that close.
But financially, you know, it's kind of set the table
for what we saw Rock Pridy get paid. And I
still don't even think he matched it with Trevor Lawrence
(32:16):
now in terms of dollar amount, but it kind of
set the table for him.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
And I think Brock Purdy got what he earned.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah, and Brock Purdy the minute he saw in that
deal got more money than like five times as much
money that he'd got over the course of his entire
NFL career at that point, and it's deserved. Look, I
think it's very difficult. We saw Dimes get more money
than Aaron Rodgers this offseason, and it's difficult to find
a quarterback. I think both of them clearly deserve to
(32:44):
be paid. But it's just such a windfall for the
forty nine ers to get Rock Party where they did.
And obviously the perception that Kyle Shanahan has just made
this creation of a quarterback. That's just a product of Shannon.
That's not how the world works. Yeah, it's just not.
And if they had protected him properly, would have thrown
a touchdown pass to win the Super Bowl. But you know,
candy and nuts and merry Christmases and all.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
That well, and I think the argument against that that
I have is, if it was so easy to create
that and manufacture it, then everybody, everybody have been playing
at an MVP little level under Kyle Shanahan, which obviously
wasn't the case. And you just go ask the twenty
seventeen and twenty eighteen forty nine ers before you know,
they got Jimmy g and you know, somewhat competent level
(33:27):
quarterback play. And then I think Bruck Pritty has stepped
it up from there and delivered and got paid accordingly.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, and the number one overall pick, you know, the
number one recruit in high school, won a national championship, six' five,
runs a four or five.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Him getting, Paid yeah that.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Matters but the guy out Of Iowa state that was
the very last pick in the, draft that matters. More but,
yes off season, Quarterback yeah it, matters it. Matters let's
go to one that's a little a little, fun a
little silly because the number non. Story last, Year christian
McCaffrey got on the cover Of madden twenty. Five this, year,
Say quon's on the cover of mad twenty. Five do
(34:01):
you believe in Cursesm.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
OH i?
Speaker 3 (34:03):
DO i?
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Do, Man and So i'm.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
NERVOUS i am so nervous for Sa quon BECAUSE i
loved how much he impacted that he.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
GOES i loved watching him play ball last year.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
And to see what he what happened To christian McCaffrey
last year and after he came, off you, know the
Fantastic Super bowl, run finally had that first full season
With shanahan and the forty nine, ers they go to
The Super. Bowl oh my, gosh this is going to
be a team that's going to be contending for.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Years and they still might.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Be but then he gets hurt and misses almost the entire,
year and and it just.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Sort of validates That madden curse.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Again and so, Anyway Saquon, barkley WHEN i saw, that you,
KNOW i did, cringe and And i'm. Nervous i'm nervous, Now,
patrick because The, eagles just like Every Super bowl winning
team for the most, part has good fortune in injuries
and the, goals you, know for the most part were,
(35:02):
spared you, know true catastrophic injuries last, year and so,
yeah SO i. Worry you, Know i'm like a mom over.
Here i'm worried About Saquon. Barkley, WELL i.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Wonder if twenty six can assuage your, concerns because he
was talking about managing his body this off.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
SEASON i want to see if you feel differently after hearing.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
This everyone THAT i trust to me basically sit my
ass down for a little. Bit so in past years
WHEN i was, younger you, know you think, like, oh
someone's getting better than, me or you, know Like i'm,
relaxing and you, KNOW i See Derrick henry running hills
OR i See christian McCaffrey posting something like the old
me would be, like, OH i gotta. GO i gotta.
GO i still have that competitive, nature but two completely different.
(35:43):
Seasons so just listen to, everyone and when it's time to,
Go i've been, going and when it's time to back,
Off i've been backing.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Off and so it's something that we've seen from The
Kansas City chiefs going to all these Super. Bowls eventually
the mileage adds. Up do you feel less us word?
Now that seq?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
One so he's going to set his ass down, Here,
no because it's THE.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Nfl, man every every single play there's risk involved and
and BUT i do like AND i think we saw
that last year when he decided not to go for
the record and kind of sat there and and even,
INDIVIDUALLY i think it was The rams game On Sunday
Night football when he could have gone for maybe the
franchise record and he decided to let the young guys. Play,
(36:24):
SO i, mean he has shown that selflessness THAT i
hope that karma kind of comes back around and keeps
him healthy because he is just so much fun to.
Watch obviously the reverse hurdle and everything that landed him
on the cover last, year but just a special, player
so much you, know quality entertainment watching him, play and
a good. Dude you, Know i've seen him a bunch
(36:44):
of times behind the, scenes just kind of you, know
a good person that he, is and so you just
root for guys like. That and LIKE i, said you
know the you Know madden, curse what happened With christian
Mccaffreycaud you, say the same thing About christian. McCaffrey just
such an entertaining player to, watch such a good dude
behind the, scenes and that you don't want to see
any of these guys get.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Hurt and then when you when you when you see that,
AGAIN i just got a little.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Nervous, WELL i will yield To omar because he's he's
making this show possible. Today so The madden cover it. Matters,
yeah well but hopefully hopefully it. Doesn't hopefully it. Doesn't
so the last before we get to the you know
some more fun, ones Uh dumbarton. Story last, year The
Hard knocks in season was featuring THE Afc north. Teams
(37:27):
The browns did not have the. Best The ravens had
a very solid. Season The steelers played both of their.
Quarterbacks The bengals had a traditional slow. Start this, year
it's THE Nfc. East there it.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Is oh, yeah you can Hear it's.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Like imagine that the gnat pops of like a sprinkler
going and then you GET i Hear Leave schrager warming
up his. Voice it's, like you, know join His facinda.
Impersonation now it's THE Nfc. East do you feel like
it's gonna ultimately? Matter for The Philadelphia, eagles maybe The El's,
cowboys The, commanders probably not The. Giants but do you
(38:04):
think Hard knocks?
Speaker 4 (38:05):
MATTERS i think it will matter for The giants because
they have those, quarterbacks AND i THINK i think we
would all be happy if The New York giants quarterback
room had their own, documentary their Own Hard knocks in
and of.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
ITSELF i think that would be quality.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Entertainment Da, Russe, Wilson Jamis, Winston, Jackson, Dart Tommy, cutletz you,
know going off, there and uh, SO i, think you,
know it'll be quality. Entertainment, obviously being in the media
capital of the world there In New york and so much. Coverage,
obviously The cowboys are no strangers to Hard. KNOCKS i
don't think that'll be a distraction for. Them it'll be
(38:42):
interesting to see How, philadelphia you, know. Responds obviously the defending,
champs and you, know they a lot of tension on them,
already and so, yeah you, know AND i Think washington
is one of those teams, that because Of jaden's play last,
YEAR i think we're all confident that they're going to
be contenders for years to.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
COME i Think Dan quinn is a fantastic. Coach he'll
have them playing at a high.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Level AND i think it'll be one of those opportunities
to expose The commanders to the national, landscape For Jaden
daniels to become a household name, perhaps and for several
of these young players On washington who aren't big stars
like A Zach ertz or A Bobby, wagner you, Know terry,
McLaurin to become bigger stars in their own, right especially
(39:24):
for a team that who we think is going to
contend for years to.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Come and these are gonna be guys that we're talking
about for several.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Years to be exposed to the national audience might be a,
fun interesting.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Watch, yeah and now the, task, well the tough test
For Adam peters to turn everything around has already been.
Accomplished but now you've got to continue that and you,
know get guys Like terry McLaurin happy with their contract.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
And, yeah get, back get back to THE nfl.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Championship you, know it's funny we started talking with this
discussion On Justin jefferson And Jamar chase and you just
Mentioned terry mclauurin looking for a new.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
DEAL i remember that. OFFSEASON i think it was A. J,
Brown terry, McLaurin MAYBE dk.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
METCALF a lot of guys got paid in twenty twenty
two and it was around like twenty two to twenty
three million per. Year and now we're, at you, know
thirty five forty seventhing million for the. Receivers just how
quickly that market went up and it was to your original.
Point how how, yes the landscape in THE nfl has.
Changed receivers are perhaps more. Value you don't have to,
(40:21):
have you, know it can't think, that you, know any
receiver can do the job if you have a special.
One and it's just kind of interesting to see in
this own discussion how THE nfl landscape works and how
things are very much cyclical all the.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Time, yeah that's all come.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Out we're gonna Have we're gonna have full, Blacks we're gonna,
have you, Know mike all starts making a comeback for
maybe two way, players like the nineteen forties With Travis.
Hunter so there's a little bit of a catch. All
as some Things i've decided unequivocally do not. Matter the
off season physique, updates where people are looking At, yeah
you're looking At jayden daniels. Triceps folks are Scouting Marvin harrison's.
(40:59):
Triceps come, on that's not.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
That that doesn't.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Matter what About Jackson dart saying he wants to be
the last player in the building in The New York.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Giants, No, Jackson, no because you And Russ if you
guys are going to have a try hard, Competition, jackson
you don't stand a.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Chance you don't stand a.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Chance the man is upstairs on a giant mural with.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Integrity, okay you want to be the last guy in
you're both gonna be Jj watt sleeping in the facility
and you got you got staff in there trying to
keep the place. Clean, no it's it's. Impossible don't do, It,
Jackson get, Sleep get, Rest like.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
You, know rest is gonna do high knees out to
the parking.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Lot did it in the?
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Plane, No no need to try.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Hard one of the stories last year Was Will levis
tweaking his mechanics to make his throwing motion more. Efficient
it turns out that one didn't. Matter, omar they traveled
a quarterback at. All Cam, ward you can be working
on his mechanics. Too the mechanics of holding onto the
football and one of my more fun stories from Last,
(41:57):
june the announcement of a collaboration Between hallmark and The
Kansas City chiefs For Holiday touched A chief's love story
and omar my. Film the film critic within, me did
you watch?
Speaker 3 (42:11):
IT i watched the.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Movie did you watch? It i've watched, That i've Watched Hot.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Frosty the Entire hallmark database has been consumed by, well
notably my, wife but you, know as as her partner and.
Supporter i'm always a happy Belated Father's. Day oh thank
you you. Too, yeah it has, you you, know filling that.
Role and The bills are going to have their Own
hallmark movie this. Holidays let's let's let's do. IT i
(42:36):
need MORE nfl holiday. Movies, ultimately know this not going
to determine anything wins and, losses but you, know around
that time of year you can only Watch.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Diehard so did you like The Chiefs holiday?
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Movie it was.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
About a lucky.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Hat, okay it was about a lucky. Hat Santa claus was.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Involved i'm not going to, say if you want to
watch the spoiler ALERT Nfl daily there was there was
some magic involved in. That it's been magical to spend
some time with you here, Today, OMAR i would like
to offer. Yourself oh, OKAY i received SOME nfl collectible
teenay mates nice this week and they have some rare.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Options.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Okay as as a collector Of pokemon and other, THINGS
i think it's it's important to try to find rare.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Items, Okay so would you open your teeny? Mate?
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Sure what's the rarest of?
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Items the rarest is a metallic gold shot Caller Patrick,
mahomes which is one in five hundred and twelve. Packs, Interesting,
okay here we, go let's open shot up to Teen it's.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
FOLLOWING i took my daughters out to march in The
Pride parade a couple weeks, ago and there is somebody
from Funk O pop there handing Out funko, pops and
my kid's got A Patrick mahomes And Justin.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Herbert there is a Funk O.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
Pop so let's see IF i can Duplicate Patrick mahomes thing.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Here IF i can figure out how to.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
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Will i'm going to reveal how did you open?
Speaker 6 (43:55):
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Speaker 3 (44:31):
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we did some puzzle.
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Pieces we didn't get any Any Realvin. Cook oh you
Got DALVIN i think.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
So.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Okay, well to the podcast audience who's on, YouTube we
we we hope you appreciated the the audio.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Here but yeah we.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Got we got our teena mates and they and they
are they are very teeny and it is the perfect
way to, conclude uh this edition OF Nfl. Daily thanks
To omar we for again kidnapping himself from his news
shift and spending time with us to talk about news
that matters in the teeniest of, ways sometimes, teeny sometimes,
(45:13):
tiny and almost always a little looney here in The
Chris westling podcast. Studio you, know when we're opening tiny
bits of COLLECTIBLE nfl. Memorabilia after discussing year old, news
you know football's.
Speaker 6 (45:27):
Back
Welcome to NFL Daily.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hopefully you are safe, healthy and ready for some football discussion.
What's up everybody, Patrick claiboun Here in the Chris Westling
podcast Studio, Greg Rosenthal is off gallivanting in his ancestral
lands with his offspring.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Hopefully Greg's having a good time.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Here to celebrate, not celebrate, because Greg's had the team
on his back. Like Greg Jennings since the inception of
the show. Our first trip in the podcast studio signs
Greg for me Omar Ruiz of NFL Network spending time
actively disregarding his news shift to spend this time with us.
Thanks for spending time.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Hey, thanks for having me. I love the Greg Jennings reference.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Fun fact, I had the walk off interview with him
when he was a Packer and they played the Minnesota
Vikings when the Vikings Stadium was being built and they're
playing at the University of Minnesota Field. So it's a
very memorable interview I had of a couple games I
did in that old facility, and you know, bringing back
(01:04):
some core memories there.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
And it's funny because there's this whole generation of NFL
fans that only knows Greg Jennings from the YouTube Madden
clip where he's scoring a touchdown with a broken leg
that I'm constantly referencing. It's like pure Internet versus the
people who are like, oh, Greg Jennings, he was a
good player, the very solid Packers wide receiver. That's kind
of that argument for Yeah, they didn't have to draft
(01:27):
guys in the first round because all these guys drafted
after the first round. They had a lot of successful
So what we have done today, I have kidnapped Omar
from his news shift because it's that time of year
where we are constantly doing news. The news department at
NFL Media is the backbone of this operation, and I'm
(01:48):
biased the centerpiece of that backbone, the core structure is
the person that is doing the news updates and that
is the task that Omar has today and every days.
It's like a k us, a collection of everything to
make one minute of television worthwhile to people and Omar
at this time of year it can be a.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Little tougher than others.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Oh it is.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Well, Thank goodness, we had four teams delaying their mini
camps to this week and giving us some actual Patrick
mahomes in the news today. Lamar Jackson's speaking this week,
and the Rams going to Maui with the Maui camp,
and the Giants and all their quarterbacks are in are
in mini camp, so you know, we have some actual fodder,
(02:33):
some actual news, and yeah, it's a fun time of
year before I think we all check out for a
little bit, Patrick.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
And that's the hope today. We're gonna after we're gonna
hit the news of today, and then we're going to
look back at the news of the day from June
twenty twenty four, all of the consternations surrounding the discussions
of all of those news items, and we're going to
ask the simple question was this important? Like how much
did this actually matter? So we're gonna get to that,
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but we start today with a little bit of the
news that the news of the day as of this point,
because again, Omar could bolt out of here at any
moment to go do some more news. The Ravens sign
Lamar Jackson's college teammate JayR Alexander to a new deal
after they couldn't get things worked out in Green Bay.
There was discussions of a potential trade all offseason. This
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was the thing that's like Gayr is coming back. Maybe
no he's gonna be a Raven Omar.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I like this move for the Ravens because they're obviously
one of those teams because of Lamar Jackson. They're always
going to contend. They're always going to be among those
teams we talk about at the end of the year.
Are they going to make some noise in the postseason?
Is this year they get to the Super Bowl? So
when you're building their roster, as Eric Tacosta does and
John Harbad does, getting a piece like JayR Alexander could
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be that difference at the end of the year when
we're talking about depth and the war of attrition that
is the NFL season.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Not to mention he's a good player.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
You know, we kind of forget that because he's been
on the shelf so much the last couple of years.
But if he can stay hell healthy, if they can
build depth in that room, then he could be a
difference maker as well as being a key depth piece
for a AFC contender.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So I like the move and I would.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Imagine and obviously Lamar Jackson alluding to it when he
campaigned to get JayR Alexander and for them to sign him.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
They were in the same recruiting class.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
They played three years together at Louisville, and they're both
first round picks fourteen picks apart in the twenty eighteen drafts,
so they're obviously boys. I'm sure Lamar Jackson vouched to
Eric DaCosta and John Harbaugh for him his character, his
locker room presence, and it'll be exciting to see what
he does there in Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
And ultimately with about one year four million dollars that
there are some incentives there that could change that value.
But you have to wonder, why does it feel like
they were the only players in this Because I understand
JayR has missed games. He only played in seven games
last year, but you go back to twenty twenty only
there was an injury, he only played four games. He
played sixteen the next season at a very high leve Well,
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if I'm not mistaken, Yeah, he went to the Pro
Bowl and got second team Associated Press votes. There at
the cornerback position, people get hurt, you know, it's something
that happens. But JayR Alexander still can play cornerback at
a high level.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
I think he's one of those players that probably would
have gotten a lot more noise closer to training camp,
and I think the Ravens just jumped on it early
before there was really any competition for their suitors. And again,
I think when you talk about, you know, the presence
that he has, and we know he can be a
big personality. We saw what he did in Carolina a
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couple of years ago. Maybe the last week he inserted
himself as a captain because he's from there, even though
he was at an actual captain.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
You know, those are the things he might have to
deal with with Jay or Alexander.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
But again with Lamar Jackson, the two time MVP vouching
for his old college buddy, I think that made a
big difference there with you know, DaCosta and Harbaugh and
everybody else being on board with that.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
And as a franchise ideology, I don't think you could
ever have.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Too many cornerbacks.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And they had injuries in the secondary in the offseason
as well. So it's a good opportunity for the Baltimore
Ravens and you know, they do it again. They get
a veteran who can play very, very good football. We'll
go to here in Los Angeles. Sean McVay says that
the Rams have made progress with Kyen Williams as far
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as a contract is concerned. A guy who looks to
get the line's share of Carrie's and opportunities. And it
makes me wonder, Omar, because we've seen relationships between Sean
McVay and running backs deteriorate in the past. How confident
are you that this one is ultimately gonna work.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
I think it will because I think Kyron Williams showing
up at OTA's, showing up at mini camp despite the
contract negotiation, I think is a testament to that relationship
with Sean McVay as it currently stands. I think behind
the scenes, they've expressed to Kyron, and they've publicly said
just how important he is to their success. They want
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to build around the run game and how it's not
just that he's productive, but how he runs the football
so inspiring. He's a heart and soul type of figure
for that offense, and obviously want to build around what
he can do on the football field and the way
he has shown up And I saw him out at
OTA practice a couple of weeks ago, still has that
big smile on his face, and he was doing a
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lot of stuff on the side because you know, when
players are having these negotiations play out, they try not
to get two in the weeds, you know, maybe mixing
up with other players. Don't want to get hurt in
that sense. So he's kind of doing stuff, but he
had a good attitude. He's running around, still sprinting, kind
of showing that energy that we see on Sundays, showing
that in OTA practice despite this contract negotiation. So I
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think all of that together kind of shows the good
faith that's there between him and the organization and the
reason why I think, you know, I'm pretty confident that
that'll get done at some point.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, when the relationships work, they generally do with with
Sean McVay and company, and that's why they're making efforts
to get Jalen Ramsey back. But Sean McVay did say
there are some obstacles and acquiring Jalen Ramsey. I'm assuming
Jalen Ramsey's not going for one year four million dollars.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Problem twenty four million obstacles to be exact, perhaps based
on what he's expected to be paid in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, and so the Rams obviously are going to be
a contender in the division. Another long time NFC western
Kalais Campbell, back with the Arizona Cardinals, had some thoughts
this week about what he would like to do because
he's still he's playing at a relatively high level, at
a relatively you know, advanced age for the NFL. I'm
not going to call Kalais Campbell because they have to
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find a mirror. But here's what Khalais Campbell had to say.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
But I take be the mentor, you know, with a
lot of honor. You know, I enjoy passing knowledge. I
feel like, you know, is some point for me to
die with all this knowledge, you know, go to the
graveyard whatever. In my career, with all this knowledge, I
have to share as many as many people as possible,
and especially people that are going to help West win
ball game.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Don't scare him like that.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Clais Is fine, don't mention that hopefully he's got sixty
some thing more years please of ability to pass on
this knowledge. Yeah, one of the better guys in the league.
And looking just some of this list of other guys
were drafted in two thousand and eight. OMAR podcasters Chris
Long and Martellis Bennett, WOW, CBS color broadcaster Matt Ryan
team color broadcaster Keeb Talib and Bear's second all time
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leading rusher, Matt Forte. These guys have been out in
the league forever. Kalaius was still doing it.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
That's amazing. I think Joe Flacco is in that class
right two thousand and eight.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
So you got these two thousand eight draft class guys.
And for me, because you said, you know, looking in
the mirror and all that, I love when these old
guys still play. And Aaron Rodgers, for all the drama
that he can bring, it makes me feel not as old. Yeah,
quite frankly, just just to be blunt about it. And
with Kalayis, Campbell is still bumping around and like you said,
playing at a high level. And I think when you
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talk about what he meant to that Dolphins team last
year and when they had hopes to turn their season around,
if they were going to make a push to the playoffs,
and they didn't want to trade Campbell because they was
such an important piece to that team. Obviously they fell
short and it didn't work out for them. But just
goes to show you what he still means to an organization,
what he still means to a defense, and especially with
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the Cardinals.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
You know a lot of people talk about them.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Perhaps if they can get kind of Kyler Murray to
play consistently all year long and Jonathan Gannon can finally
get that defense to take that step to the upper echelon.
If Kalayas Campbell's a big part of that, that'd be
an interesting topic to talk about down the road.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Now and for sure, and you spent so much time
with this team in this Gannon era where I've called
the twenty twenty four defense the search bar because all
season I was like, wait, who is that? Who made
this play? And so now you add Kalais Campbell to
that group. What do you think that does for the
Cardinals specifically?
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Oh, it brings leadership. It brings productivity, especially up the middle.
You know when you're talking about you know, stuffing the
run and the things that you kind of have to
do to be a successful team the way Jonathan Gannon
wants to run that defense. And I think what we've
talked about so often is the draft class of twenty
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three of twenty four, so many young players have played.
Like you mentioned, you're searching who is this guy? And
Campbell brings a lot of leadership to that team, knows how.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
To play at a high level.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Has played in a Super Bowl his rookie year, so
he's played in big postseason games. Obviously, was part of
that Jacksonville Jaguars team with Jalen Ramsey. Speaking of Ramsey
back in twenty seventeen, that made that deep AFC run,
and that was a similar type of team. We had
younger players that had cut their teeth for a couple
of years and they put it all together. And I
think that's where the Cardinals are at. So the experience
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he has from that to bring to Arizona back where
he started his career, in the place that he had
gone to a Super Bowl, I think that all that
is kind of the pieces that they're looking for.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I think a lot of talents there. Obviously, they spent a.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Lot of draft capital this past draft on defensive players,
and I think Klayis is a player that can bring
it all together and get it going the way again.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
In one there's.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Reason to believe this is not just is they're talking
about the Cardinals again. There's reason to believe the Cardinals
can make trouble in the NFC West. As you know,
there's been a lot of changes and of course the
most consistent parts generally being the Rams and the forty
nine ers. We don't necessarily feel the way about the
forty nine ers. Perhaps, you know John Lynch's crying poor
this week saying, oh we got to you know, we
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had to pay the quarterback. He also essentially played for free.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
For four years. So yeah, you figure those things out.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
And speaking of retirements, off of Kalais Campbell again, hopefully
you play forever Kalais Dan Mehars, the original k C Wolf,
is retiring after thirty five years as the mascot. He
was the longest tenured mascot in the league omar by
more than twelve years, according to the website.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
No way, but that's different than the bandit guy, right, No, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Again, it's very important. Dan Mehars, the KC.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Wolf is not to be confused with the imposter superfan
that was arrested on.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Federal bay Croft charges.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Just seventeen years for bank robbing and money laundering, not
Dan Mehars. He kind of casts a spersions on the
entire Wolf community. Dan Mehers was doing it the right way.
The other guy was roping banks and following the team
and leaving a massive trail of breadcrumbs for the FBI.
But he said, thirty five years for Mears. Yeah, thirty
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years incredible in a costume. That's a long time.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
I just imagine all those trips to the tunnel taking
off today and then especially in those cold weather playoff
games when it's negative seven, and seeing all the steam
come off his face. I wish there should be an
NFL Films documentary, not just him, but all the mascots,
especially the ones that play in the cold weather elements,
especially in playoff time. And my goodness, that's that's just
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Dan mehers Owt to get his Arrowhead right there, his
name on there and maybe retire.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, maybe put some fur up there in Arrowhead and
in the top next to the lights. You know, we
talk about suits all the time in corporate America. Will
shout out to the folks in the suits. Yeah, on
Sundays and Thursdays and occasionally Tuesdays and Saturdays.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Just five years rocking big old suits. And that's a
long time to do anything, Patrick, literally anything.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
One of the newest guys, not doing it for a
long time, but doing it to a level that we appreciate.
An offseason James Gladstone down for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Had
a conversation with friend of the show Andrew Siciliano about
just what Travis Hunter is going to do if they
gave up so much to get them, and probably for
good reason in my opinion, how do you approach how
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much you play them and where you do it.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
He does not tire.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
He has got a spark, He has got the energy,
the capacity from a physical standpoint, just to be able.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
To do it is certainly there. It'll be in terms
of one game to the next. Where does it fit,
Where does it make the most sense.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Certain game plans might dictate usage differently.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
So there it is, and that's the obvious answer, right.
It depends on the game plan. But you know what,
I'm celebrating omar an opportunity to get on my soapbox
and have an agenda pushed out to the people on
this show with you by my side of here we go. So,
Travis Hunter played more snaps in college football than anyone
in the history in a single season.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Last year he won the Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
He was drafted to be an offensive player question mark,
defensive player question mark. At some point, someone needs to
say this season that Travis Hunter is a high motor guy. Right,
At some point Travis Hunter has to break the barrier
and be the high motor guy if.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
He's got the highest of motors.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Right, if he's going to play all these snaps on offense,
maybe question mark all these snaps on defense, When are
we going to break the barrier and get somebody in
the secondary to be a high motor guy if he's
literally playing more football than everybody else.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Omore.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
See my thing with Travis Hunter, and I want him
to succeed. I think this would be an amazing story
if he was an elite NFL player on both sides
of the ball the way he was in college. And
you said he didn't just play more snaps than anybody,
he played those snaps at the highest levels of college
football and won the Heisman Trophy. My thing is is,
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after watching so many players and covering this league for
as long as I have, you just see how much
work behind the scenes goes into being an elite, elite
NFL player. I'm talking about the film study and the
working on the body, and the studying of the playbook
and analyzing every different move and tell of their opponents individually.
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Collectively in the scheme, all of it that goes into
being a Hall of Fame Pro Bowl type of player.
To find that time to do that on both sides
of the ball, I think that's where the tricky element
of how to use Travis Hunter how good can he be?
Come in because I think there's no question that he
can has the stamina to do it. I remember Daniel
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Jeremiah saying when he went to that Pro Day or
what do they call it, the oh the NFL showcase. Yeah,
how he did all these running routes and and he
didn't break a sweat a single time. And so I
think he that is the difference making element to him.
I think the stamina is what separates him from anybody
else who's attempted to do this. He is just wired
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differently in that way. But just again, the time behind
the scenes to spend to become elite at both positions,
that is the tricky part, and I think that ultimately
will be the story of his success. How he navigates that.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I say it all the time that you you acquire
unique talent and you utilize that talent uniquely, And I
can't think of a talent more unique yep, than Travis
hunter based on what he's able to do. There's a
great bit over on NFL dot Com. Our dear friend
Judypatista has an off season article that I think everybody
needs to pay attention to. It's things to maybe not
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pay too much attention to. She pointed out that it's
it's tempting to look at Travis Hunters snaps in JAG's
mining camp and say, oh, he's gonna play this.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
There's a lot to go. But we're gonna take a
page out of Judy's book.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
When we come back, and we're going to examine what
are the off season stories from last year?
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Did they matter?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
And do their corollaries matter in comparison this year. That's
coming up when we come back right here on NFL Daily.
Back on NFL Daily, I love this music coming out
of break that we generally do. We found because Omar
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the Intrepid Reporter was asking about our break music. It's
called Breaking Easy, Breaking Easy, the smooth What sitcom do
we reference.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Three's Company there? It is sounds very seventies eighties ish
shout out to Joyce de Wit and.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Breaking Oh it is, Oh my goodness, it's and breaking easy.
It sounds like a breakfast restaurant too. Shout out to
my hunger.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I can actually I can actually see the still shots
of the of the stars of the show eating in
and out, and it's like, oh.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Yeah, John Ritter start a three's company and the one
that did just the workouts, what.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Was gonna Susanne Summers, And there it is. That's the
three choice to win, John ridd and Summers. We did it,
no googling as as we gently fade back and forth.
Shout out to those of you who are watching us
on YouTube. Uh, feel free to comment, say say horrible
things about me, specifically said omark.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
And liking subscribe. I've always wanted we got inscribed.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
We got some more, I got some more internet stuff
that we'll wrap up this show today.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
If that's that's a little bit of a tease.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
But I wanted because because we do this, we spend
so much time trying to scrounge some days for off
season news before you go off and start covering the
training camps and getting in there in person and doing
like actual stuff. But it's some days it's a bit
of a slog and I wanted to look at owned
last year and say how much how much of this
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stuff actually had an impact? And we're putting not necessarily you,
because you guys are listening to us or watching on
YouTube and liking and commenting and subscribing, but there's there's
this general pack of folks that consume NFL news in
a bunch and it's like, well, how much of that
really played out? So let's go through the top off
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season stories of twenty twenty four, starting with the number
one story. Last off season, Omar the Vikings signed Justin
Jefferson to a four year, one hundred and forty million
dollars tracked extension. At the time, it was the biggest
of an NFL history, but it seemed like a foregone
conclusion because it was Justin Jefferson who was the Vikings,
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and we felt like it was gonna happen no matter what.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
And the biggest for non quarterback, right is that set
the bar.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
That was the marketing statement that they had out at
the time.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
And then we see there Jamaar Chases did the same
thing in for non quarterbacks. But I think it was
it was big because Justin Jefferson, I think the confidence
that they had in him, I felt the Vikings, and
obviously the confidence that they had in Kevin O'Connell to
coach these quarterbacks. But as long as Justin Jefferson is
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in the lineup, I think Kevin O'Connell felt that I
could play JJ McCarthy, and obviously before he got hurt,
I could play Sam Donald, I can play anybody, Josh
Doobbs jobs, yeah, and actually win football games with the
Minnesota Vikings. But I think it's Justin Jefferson the foundational piece,
the confidence that he exudes, not only in the locker room,
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on the field, the confidence that he instills into his quarterbacks,
and I think that was emblematic of what we saw
play out and the Vikings, you know, won all those games,
went to the playoffs, and Darnald had a career year,
made one hundred million dollars now in Seattle, and now
usher's in the JJ McCarthy era in Minnesota. But I
think Justin Jefferson is the key to all that.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
And honestly, because there was a time in a copycat
league where narratives generally develop among media, and we were
watching Super Bowl fifty one earlier today in the newsroom
and I bemoaned as I always do. They only threw
Julio the ball four times. And because the Falcons lost
in that Super Bowl and there was that run of
Patriots championships and then the team that had Randy didn't
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actually win, there was this idea that, oh, well, if
you have a top flight wide receiver and pay them,
then you can't win the Super Bowl. But then the
Rams have Cooper Cup win with arguably one of the
best wide receiver seasons in the past thirty years. We
just saw aj Brown and the Eagles win a Super
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Bowl and Jamar Chase very very close. In fact, if
you know Aaron Donald wasn't one of the best players
we've ever seen, Jamar Chase might have scored a walk
off touchdown in that Super Bowl. Where now the ideas
shifted and people realize, hey, if you have good players,
you put them on, you pay them, and you try
to use them however you.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Can, and just yeah, how dominant they can be in
an offense and how they dictate coverage and just what
impact it has on their opponents. And I think Jamar
Chase is certainly one of those. And I think it's
not only just a production that a player like him
and Justin Jefferson can provide, but it's it's, like I said,
the scheming and the matchups and with the chess match
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that you have when you have one of those guys,
you know that the opponent's defensive coordinator is staying up
at night trying to figure out schemes and what else
can that benefit you as an offense going against that
with a player as dominant as those two. So I
think it is shifted back in that regard, and I
think you know, the money obviously continues to trend up
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with the salary cap and all that, and you can
afford to do stuff like that. But yeah, the Cooper Cup,
you know, super Bowl fifty six season and going against
Jamar Chase. That was an epic season for both those
guys and obviously played out in the Super Bowl that way.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah, I'm going to actually give the edge to the
Jamar Chase version of this story because it's the Bengals
and it felt like for a while like is this
going to happen? Is one of the top four receivers
in the NFL going to be able to hit the
open market because we don't know what the Bengals are
going to do, and they still you know, Tree Hendrickson
and Jamar Stewart, as they very well know, there's still
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some contractual malfeast that's going on in Cincinnati, but we
can definitively say that paying one of the best receivers
in the NFL as an offseason story.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
It matters. Hey, well, yeah, there we go.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Well, it's funny you mentioned that, because, yeah, I think
we talked about justin Jefferson, how it mattered. I thought
last year, how I think Jamar Chase is going to
matter this year. But I think big picture, this was
the opportunity for the Bengals to shed the Bengals are
no longer the Bengals. They pay not just Jamar Chase,
but t Higgins as well, and kind of get acknowledgment
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for Joe Burrow's words that, hey, sign these guys. We're
in the business of getting good players, and they shed
that reputation for all of what two weeks.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Two weeks because Joe did mention Trey as well, and
this week some conversations have been happening. Hopefully those conversations
were fruitful both for Trey Hendrickson and for the Cincinnati Bengals,
because they're obviously a very very fun team.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Our number two story from last year was the.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
NFL announcing training camp schedules and dates for all thirty
two teams. That was a huge article on NFL dot com,
and clearly because fans want to be a part, they
want to participate. It's a story folks who are interested in.
It made me wonder do training camp dates matter for
the teams? And statistically I went and looked it up. Omar,
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the Chiefs, the Eagles, the Super Bowl contenders generally start
around July eighteenth till the twenty second, but so does
everybody else, so that doesn't actually matter. But in terms
of when to get guys in, do you think the
dates omar matter?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Don't?
Speaker 4 (26:00):
I think in today's day and age, with with the
with the sports science and the fifteen trainers that the
teams have on staff to make sure that every practice
and every allotted minute of practice time that they get
with the collective bargaining agreement, that it is allocated so
fine tuned, and they dedicate year round sports science to
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it that whether they get their July eighteenth or July
twenty fourth, that they'll have them ready by September tenth
and they'll figure all that out.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
So the dates I don't think matters.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
But by the way, how are we ranking this based
on the clicks on NFL dot was purely.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
On NFL dot Com. As shout out to Dave Eally,
I went through. He was my source to go through
and mind the data to see what the people what.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
The people cleeel the most, Okay, really really interested in
because yes, obviously fans of this institution NFL Daily with
Greg Rowsethal, No, you know, we can get into the minutia,
and there are some initial stories that I do want
to cover because they're fun and silly and involve players
who can be somewhat hilarious.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
That's a little bit of a tens.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I am curious.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
I was curious to see when the Chargers opened up.
Obviously we live here in LA one of the teams
that I would cover because the Hall of Fame game
is in July this year, so I was a holy cow, when.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Do they open up training camp then?
Speaker 4 (27:19):
And it was July seventeen, so I have two weeks
to prepare for that game in Canton. But it seems
like that creeps up every year a little bit.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
You know, we're gonna die. We're we come close to
hitting seven days in a week. The pandemic helped with that. Yeah,
eventually we're gonna get twelve months in the year and
it's it's gonna happen, and we're gonna be doing this
podcast from your actual house listening to this.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Okay, so let's go.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
We've we determined the particular training camp dates don't actually matter.
I don't know, all right, Let's go to one that
I do think in terms of fan interest is peculiar
to me because it generates a lot of discussion and
as the being counters know, does you know there's no
such thing as bad thing number four story because there
were some some negative stories that we're not gonna talk.
(28:04):
We did lose Larry Allen last year Chiefs player, had
a cardiac arrest. There was in Yeah, of course those
things matter. But the number four story. The Vikings unveiled
the Winter Warrior alternate uniform for twenty twenty four and
the Ravens revealed a new alternate Purple Rising helmet. It
had made me think of the announcement for the announcement
(28:26):
Omar of a new Chargers uniform that has yet to
be seen, but they announced that an announcement is coming,
which is a particular NFL practice that we love so much.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
So as a fan, do you get excited for new uniforms.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
I don't get excited for new uniforms, but I do
admit when I do see them. So when I see
that it's been announced, I'm like, Okay, who cares. But
then on July fifteenth, I think is when that Chargers
is going to be released. When it comes out and
it's flying everywhere on social media, I'm like, oh, these
(29:02):
are nice and same thing. I remember the Vikings last
year and just thinking that those were icy. I think
they were all white, right right, and we're like, oh man,
these are gonna look something else. Speaking of Justin and Jefferson,
he's gonna look great in these and so yeah. So similarly,
when they actually come out, I pay attention. I'm all
over it. But as far as the dates being released
(29:23):
of the uniform reveal not as big of adea.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, I think specifically just just my again, no fashion
knowledge whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I am famously not a fashion guy. I'm rocking this network.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Tea network, Polo because it's it keeps me from getting
grief for wearing shorts the eyes odd shorts that I
got from TJ Max twelve years ago that somehow are
still in my life.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
They're horrible. That's besides the point.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
We're both acknowledged Cotsco wardrobe guys through and through.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah, shout out to the shark.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Unfortunate, you know, some unfortunate political opinions, but you know
Greg Norman shorts on sale at Costco. The Chargers wouldn't
announce an announcement of uniforms to me if powder blue
wasn't a significant portion.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yes, of it has to be.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
And so that's that's my potential thing. Does it matter, No,
but it is. It is.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
It's going to be exciting to see a uniform that
generally everybody loves. So number five, let's get to quarterback contracts.
And I think we need to preface this by making
it about the player, because in twenty twenty four, Trevor
Lawrence got a five year contract that could be worth
up to two hundred and seventy five million dollars, And
in twenty twenty five, after much discussion, probably the most
(30:40):
discussed quarterback contract from the moment he finally started like
he got on the field Rock Perty did and the
universe will never know because his elbow exploded in the
NFC Championship game how that season would have gone. How
do you feel about those offseason stories mattering and does
the quarterback involved in them change that for you?
Speaker 1 (31:00):
It certainly does.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
And I think what I think is interesting about those
two is to me they were related because I think
there was all that debate you mentioned rock Pretty discussion
for years what was he going to get because obviously
his rookie year, he exploded on the scene that ended
with that busted elbow in the twenty twenty two NFC
Championship game, So it had been debated for years. And
(31:22):
then once I saw that Trevor Lawrence got what he
got in twenty twenty four, I was like, oh, man,
Rock Purty is going to get paid.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Now.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Obviously we didn't know exactly how much, but he wasn't
going to do any hometown discount or settle for anything
less than close to market value. Once I saw what
Trevor Lawrence had done, because if you watch football, whether
you're a Rock Pretty fan or not, you cannot disagree
with his productivity on the field and whether yes, he
(31:53):
has an All Star team around him or not, he
functions in that offense the way they want him to
function in that offense. It at a high level has
taken a team to a super Bowl. When you compare
everything that he's accomplished that Trevor Lawrence, it's not that close.
But financially, you know, it's kind of set the table
for what we saw Rock Pridy get paid. And I
still don't even think he matched it with Trevor Lawrence
(32:16):
now in terms of dollar amount, but it kind of
set the table for him.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
And I think Brock Purdy got what he earned.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah, and Brock Purdy the minute he saw in that
deal got more money than like five times as much
money that he'd got over the course of his entire
NFL career at that point, and it's deserved. Look, I
think it's very difficult. We saw Dimes get more money
than Aaron Rodgers this offseason, and it's difficult to find
a quarterback. I think both of them clearly deserve to
(32:44):
be paid. But it's just such a windfall for the
forty nine ers to get Rock Party where they did.
And obviously the perception that Kyle Shanahan has just made
this creation of a quarterback. That's just a product of Shannon.
That's not how the world works. Yeah, it's just not.
And if they had protected him properly, would have thrown
a touchdown pass to win the Super Bowl. But you know,
candy and nuts and merry Christmases and all.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
That well, and I think the argument against that that
I have is, if it was so easy to create
that and manufacture it, then everybody, everybody have been playing
at an MVP little level under Kyle Shanahan, which obviously
wasn't the case. And you just go ask the twenty
seventeen and twenty eighteen forty nine ers before you know,
they got Jimmy g and you know, somewhat competent level
(33:27):
quarterback play. And then I think Bruck Pritty has stepped
it up from there and delivered and got paid accordingly.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, and the number one overall pick, you know, the
number one recruit in high school, won a national championship, six' five,
runs a four or five.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Him getting, Paid yeah that.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Matters but the guy out Of Iowa state that was
the very last pick in the, draft that matters. More but,
yes off season, Quarterback yeah it, matters it. Matters let's
go to one that's a little a little, fun a
little silly because the number non. Story last, Year christian
McCaffrey got on the cover Of madden twenty. Five this, year,
Say quon's on the cover of mad twenty. Five do
(34:01):
you believe in Cursesm.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
OH i?
Speaker 3 (34:03):
DO i?
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Do, Man and So i'm.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
NERVOUS i am so nervous for Sa quon BECAUSE i
loved how much he impacted that he.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
GOES i loved watching him play ball last year.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
And to see what he what happened To christian McCaffrey
last year and after he came, off you, know the
Fantastic Super bowl, run finally had that first full season
With shanahan and the forty nine, ers they go to
The Super. Bowl oh my, gosh this is going to
be a team that's going to be contending for.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Years and they still might.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Be but then he gets hurt and misses almost the entire,
year and and it just.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Sort of validates That madden curse.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Again and so, Anyway Saquon, barkley WHEN i saw, that you,
KNOW i did, cringe and And i'm. Nervous i'm nervous, Now,
patrick because The, eagles just like Every Super bowl winning
team for the most, part has good fortune in injuries
and the, goals you, know for the most part were,
(35:02):
spared you, know true catastrophic injuries last, year and so,
yeah SO i. Worry you, Know i'm like a mom over.
Here i'm worried About Saquon. Barkley, WELL i.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Wonder if twenty six can assuage your, concerns because he
was talking about managing his body this off.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
SEASON i want to see if you feel differently after hearing.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
This everyone THAT i trust to me basically sit my
ass down for a little. Bit so in past years
WHEN i was, younger you, know you think, like, oh
someone's getting better than, me or you, know Like i'm,
relaxing and you, KNOW i See Derrick henry running hills
OR i See christian McCaffrey posting something like the old
me would be, like, OH i gotta. GO i gotta.
GO i still have that competitive, nature but two completely different.
(35:43):
Seasons so just listen to, everyone and when it's time to,
Go i've been, going and when it's time to back,
Off i've been backing.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Off and so it's something that we've seen from The
Kansas City chiefs going to all these Super. Bowls eventually
the mileage adds. Up do you feel less us word?
Now that seq?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
One so he's going to set his ass down, Here,
no because it's THE.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Nfl, man every every single play there's risk involved and
and BUT i do like AND i think we saw
that last year when he decided not to go for
the record and kind of sat there and and even,
INDIVIDUALLY i think it was The rams game On Sunday
Night football when he could have gone for maybe the
franchise record and he decided to let the young guys. Play,
(36:24):
SO i, mean he has shown that selflessness THAT i
hope that karma kind of comes back around and keeps
him healthy because he is just so much fun to.
Watch obviously the reverse hurdle and everything that landed him
on the cover last, year but just a special, player
so much you, know quality entertainment watching him, play and
a good. Dude you, Know i've seen him a bunch
(36:44):
of times behind the, scenes just kind of you, know
a good person that he, is and so you just
root for guys like. That and LIKE i, said you
know the you Know madden, curse what happened With christian
Mccaffreycaud you, say the same thing About christian. McCaffrey just
such an entertaining player to, watch such a good dude
behind the, scenes and that you don't want to see
any of these guys get.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Hurt and then when you when you when you see that,
AGAIN i just got a little.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Nervous, WELL i will yield To omar because he's he's
making this show possible. Today so The madden cover it. Matters,
yeah well but hopefully hopefully it. Doesn't hopefully it. Doesn't
so the last before we get to the you know
some more fun, ones Uh dumbarton. Story last, year The
Hard knocks in season was featuring THE Afc north. Teams
(37:27):
The browns did not have the. Best The ravens had
a very solid. Season The steelers played both of their.
Quarterbacks The bengals had a traditional slow. Start this, year
it's THE Nfc. East there it.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Is oh, yeah you can Hear it's.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Like imagine that the gnat pops of like a sprinkler
going and then you GET i Hear Leave schrager warming
up his. Voice it's, like you, know join His facinda.
Impersonation now it's THE Nfc. East do you feel like
it's gonna ultimately? Matter for The Philadelphia, eagles maybe The El's,
cowboys The, commanders probably not The. Giants but do you
(38:04):
think Hard knocks?
Speaker 4 (38:05):
MATTERS i think it will matter for The giants because
they have those, quarterbacks AND i THINK i think we
would all be happy if The New York giants quarterback
room had their own, documentary their Own Hard knocks in
and of.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
ITSELF i think that would be quality.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Entertainment Da, Russe, Wilson Jamis, Winston, Jackson, Dart Tommy, cutletz you,
know going off, there and uh, SO i, think you,
know it'll be quality. Entertainment, obviously being in the media
capital of the world there In New york and so much. Coverage,
obviously The cowboys are no strangers to Hard. KNOCKS i
don't think that'll be a distraction for. Them it'll be
(38:42):
interesting to see How, philadelphia you, know. Responds obviously the defending,
champs and you, know they a lot of tension on them,
already and so, yeah you, know AND i Think washington
is one of those teams, that because Of jaden's play last,
YEAR i think we're all confident that they're going to
be contenders for years to.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
COME i Think Dan quinn is a fantastic. Coach he'll
have them playing at a high.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Level AND i think it'll be one of those opportunities
to expose The commanders to the national, landscape For Jaden
daniels to become a household name, perhaps and for several
of these young players On washington who aren't big stars
like A Zach ertz or A Bobby, wagner you, Know terry,
McLaurin to become bigger stars in their own, right especially
(39:24):
for a team that who we think is going to
contend for years to.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Come and these are gonna be guys that we're talking
about for several.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Years to be exposed to the national audience might be a,
fun interesting.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Watch, yeah and now the, task, well the tough test
For Adam peters to turn everything around has already been.
Accomplished but now you've got to continue that and you,
know get guys Like terry McLaurin happy with their contract.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
And, yeah get, back get back to THE nfl.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Championship you, know it's funny we started talking with this
discussion On Justin jefferson And Jamar chase and you just
Mentioned terry mclauurin looking for a new.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
DEAL i remember that. OFFSEASON i think it was A. J,
Brown terry, McLaurin MAYBE dk.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
METCALF a lot of guys got paid in twenty twenty
two and it was around like twenty two to twenty
three million per. Year and now we're, at you, know
thirty five forty seventhing million for the. Receivers just how
quickly that market went up and it was to your original.
Point how how, yes the landscape in THE nfl has.
Changed receivers are perhaps more. Value you don't have to,
(40:21):
have you, know it can't think, that you, know any
receiver can do the job if you have a special.
One and it's just kind of interesting to see in
this own discussion how THE nfl landscape works and how
things are very much cyclical all the.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Time, yeah that's all come.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Out we're gonna Have we're gonna have full, Blacks we're gonna,
have you, Know mike all starts making a comeback for
maybe two way, players like the nineteen forties With Travis.
Hunter so there's a little bit of a catch. All
as some Things i've decided unequivocally do not. Matter the
off season physique, updates where people are looking At, yeah
you're looking At jayden daniels. Triceps folks are Scouting Marvin harrison's.
(40:59):
Triceps come, on that's not.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
That that doesn't.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Matter what About Jackson dart saying he wants to be
the last player in the building in The New York.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Giants, No, Jackson, no because you And Russ if you
guys are going to have a try hard, Competition, jackson
you don't stand a.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Chance you don't stand a.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Chance the man is upstairs on a giant mural with.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Integrity, okay you want to be the last guy in
you're both gonna be Jj watt sleeping in the facility
and you got you got staff in there trying to
keep the place. Clean, no it's it's. Impossible don't do, It,
Jackson get, Sleep get, Rest like.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
You, know rest is gonna do high knees out to
the parking.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Lot did it in the?
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Plane, No no need to try.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Hard one of the stories last year Was Will levis
tweaking his mechanics to make his throwing motion more. Efficient
it turns out that one didn't. Matter, omar they traveled
a quarterback at. All Cam, ward you can be working
on his mechanics. Too the mechanics of holding onto the
football and one of my more fun stories from Last,
(41:57):
june the announcement of a collaboration Between hallmark and The
Kansas City chiefs For Holiday touched A chief's love story
and omar my. Film the film critic within, me did
you watch?
Speaker 3 (42:11):
IT i watched the.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Movie did you watch? It i've watched, That i've Watched Hot.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Frosty the Entire hallmark database has been consumed by, well
notably my, wife but you, know as as her partner and.
Supporter i'm always a happy Belated Father's. Day oh thank
you you. Too, yeah it has, you you, know filling that.
Role and The bills are going to have their Own
hallmark movie this. Holidays let's let's let's do. IT i
(42:36):
need MORE nfl holiday. Movies, ultimately know this not going
to determine anything wins and, losses but you, know around
that time of year you can only Watch.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Diehard so did you like The Chiefs holiday?
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Movie it was.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
About a lucky.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Hat, okay it was about a lucky. Hat Santa claus was.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Involved i'm not going to, say if you want to
watch the spoiler ALERT Nfl daily there was there was
some magic involved in. That it's been magical to spend
some time with you here, Today, OMAR i would like
to offer. Yourself oh, OKAY i received SOME nfl collectible
teenay mates nice this week and they have some rare.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Options.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Okay as as a collector Of pokemon and other, THINGS
i think it's it's important to try to find rare.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Items, Okay so would you open your teeny? Mate?
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Sure what's the rarest of?
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Items the rarest is a metallic gold shot Caller Patrick,
mahomes which is one in five hundred and twelve. Packs, Interesting,
okay here we, go let's open shot up to Teen it's.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
FOLLOWING i took my daughters out to march in The
Pride parade a couple weeks, ago and there is somebody
from Funk O pop there handing Out funko, pops and
my kid's got A Patrick mahomes And Justin.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Herbert there is a Funk O.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
Pop so let's see IF i can Duplicate Patrick mahomes thing.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Here IF i can figure out how to.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
Open, it WELL i.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Will i'm going to reveal how did you open?
Speaker 6 (43:55):
It?
Speaker 1 (43:56):
PATRICK i just you would THINK i wasn't a fire.
HERE i have Gnarled Eric eric got the there we,
go all.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Right their first survey, says, oh you Got, Lamar, No, Derek,
DEREK i Got. Lamar all, Right so we got pay
teammates quarterbacks in the teeny they're.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Multiple, yeah we got we got. Multiples who is?
Speaker 2 (44:20):
This, Oh Christian, WILKINS A Christian wilkins, teenay, MATE i
think this is D hop, okay number, Ten yeah we
got nuke the. Bombs, okay this is.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Cool all?
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Right those are my two and some uh, so, yeah
we did some puzzle.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Pieces we didn't get any Any Realvin. Cook oh you
Got DALVIN i think.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
So.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Okay, well to the podcast audience who's on, YouTube we
we we hope you appreciated the the audio.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Here but yeah we.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Got we got our teena mates and they and they
are they are very teeny and it is the perfect
way to, conclude uh this edition OF Nfl. Daily thanks
To omar we for again kidnapping himself from his news
shift and spending time with us to talk about news
that matters in the teeniest of, ways sometimes, teeny sometimes,
(45:13):
tiny and almost always a little looney here in The
Chris westling podcast. Studio you, know when we're opening tiny
bits of COLLECTIBLE nfl. Memorabilia after discussing year old, news
you know football's.
Speaker 6 (45:27):
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