September 12, 2023 • 31 mins
In a room full of heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, and Marc Sessler recap the Monday night football battle between the Jets and the Bills, breaking down this emotional week one finale and what it means for both teams.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Digs in motion from right to left. Alan In the
shot gun takes a snap. Poor man look looks right
throughth like sideline.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
The acept it again by Jordan whitehad he's got a
hat stick Jordan White hand with his third pick of
the knife.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
The Jets get the takeaway at the four yard line,
second down and goal. Zack Wilson drops back love left
for Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Gor here the Jackie's got it.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
That's the get clutch down, get red Wilson. What an
awful lavable self tip the one handed stack and the
Jets horre a point after away from a tie.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Robert slip really call time out. The snap, the placement down,
the kick is on the way, It's got plenty of distance.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
It hits the upright and go through.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
It's gone. Tyler Fans hit the left right and got
the right, Carol.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
It snuck through the forks and we are tied with
two seconds to go. He snap and getting away a
line drive kicking. Sam Martin gives some runs under it
at the jet thirty five starts to his left, gets
to the forty, turns the corner hat the forty five.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Thinking flock is it gon not the forty pp the
pills thirties picks out the twenty step A step to.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
The time to the five touchdown. It's a Jet touchdown.
This game is over. Roll a waiter and Monday Night Football.
Climpton's gonna take this.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
We're back sixty through look for the touchdown.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
One of the last players to make the Jet roster
out of training camp just took.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It to the house to wait it over.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Time for the Jets.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Boba Susan and Marty Lyons Jets Radio. It started out
as the most anticipated night in the history of the
New York Jets, before quickly turning into maybe the biggest
nightmare the organization has ever faced, playing out on prime
time to the horror of me and countless other Jets
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fans who are still processing with the fallout of what
certainly seems like the end of the road for Aaron
Rodgers in twenty twenty three after suffering a torn Achilles
tendon or that's the fear here on the fourth snap
of the game. Almost impossible to think about it, but
that is the reality of the situation. And to the
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credit of the Jets and their coaching staff and that team,
they battled back and at least could call it a
pyrrhic victory, but it was something that I'll always remember.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Twenty two to sixteen overtime win on.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Over the rival Bills, with Xavier Gibson taken back the
punt return sixty five yards to the house. Dan Hans
is here with Mark Sessler and Greg Rosenthal. Oh what
a roller coaster. I mean a roller coaster. They haven't
invented the ride yet. Boys to properly explain the feeling
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that I have right now, but yeah, that's life, that's sports.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
It is sports, and it's like it even as a
non Jets fans. It's a weird moment to process it
as a football fan and watching this because actually, as
I walked up the stairs an NFL that work, I
hadn't seen the postgame press conference, and it felt like
such a special moment for the Jets because it's everything
that sports is. It's brutal that Rogers left so quickly
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and frustrating, and you want to just curse the gods,
and you're watching Zach Wilson and you're so angry about that,
and then the game ended up being just the stupid
performance by Josh Allen and this beautiful performance by the Jets,
and they end up winning on that special teams and
their defense and their offense and even Breese Hall coming back,
and it actually felt kind of amazing and beautiful, even
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if Robert Salas says he wanted to enjoy it. And
by the time I walked upstairs, you hear Robert sala
basically confirm the worst and that they expect it to
be confirmed. And you're kind of right back where you started.
He says he's going to enjoy it tonight, But I
know it's gonna be hard for Jets fans, for you too, Dan.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
I mean from a holistic team angle, and we learned
about the Jets and who they are so much over
the past month and a half. You just look at
like what Jordan Whitehead did tonight and Quincy Williams and
Garrett Wilson's absolutely incredible touchdown grab, like there's so much
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hope inside this organization kind of no matter what. But
like I walked up those steps today too, and I
walked up the with Dan and like, I'm just like,
we it's so it's so absurd to me, Dan, like
conversation we had where we're just like this is this
we've been you have been through so much with the Jets,
and like I went through with the Browns in my
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own way, and like we were like, tonight will be different.
It has to be because of so many factors that
suggest that, and I don't know, you know, like, yeah,
the other events of this game, because I like, I'm
a note taker and so I'm like taking endless notes
about what's happening on snap after snap, and it's like
the minute what happened to Aaron Rodgers, you know, after
he's like essentially bulldoze three snaps in a row and
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then he's gone. It's like I don't, I don't. Yeah,
it's like, cool, your house burned down. Then the ice
cream man drove up and gave you a free snow cone.
But it's like, it's a nice victory for the Jets.
It says a lot about who they are. But I
don't think that if you're like, the guy that gave
the middle finger is basically all of all of football
fans that have been through a tough time.
Speaker 7 (05:57):
And I feel for you, Dan.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I appreciate that market and I did think about that
conversation as well.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
After we finished the podcast. In the NFL Plus taping.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
We walked up the steps and headed out towards the
parking lot and we're talking and you asked me how
I was feeling about the game, and I was having
a lot of anxiety about it and it was building.
And I said this to Colleen on the end of
the Hard Knocks run, that the excitement wasn't there as
much as just this feeling that I had, knowing the
way things go as a fan of the Jets, that
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like the summer, and that's how I kind of said
it on the show. The summer was special, and people
got annoyed with me and got annoyed with the coverage
of the Jets, but I like savored every moment of
the summer and the spring and the hype around the
team because A it didn't happen a lot. It hasn't
happened a lot with this team, and B I knew
from experience that these things they don't tend to always
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work out. And you know, of course, I'm going to
go on the on the show last week and say
that Jests are gonna win the super Bowl because that's
the type of fan I am. I always hope for
the best, but that annoying anxiety that I had was
the very real feeling that something was gonna happen. And
I said it to you Mark this afternoon. This morning,
I said, I can I'll be okay if this season
ends with Rogers not playing at a high level and
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the Jets being a disappointment. And then, but at least
you took a shot, and it made sense. The logic
checked out, as I said over and over this summer,
the logic checks out that this is a big time team.
What I wouldn't be able to live with is something
bad happening, an injury early on happening, and damn it
if it's not a torn achilles. And let me tell
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you something about torn achilles, because that's something that is
personal to me as well.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
This summer, I.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Was with my father on vacation in Texas and watched
him tear his achilles right in front of me. And
I watched the way he limped to the car after
it happened.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
And I learned that.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Day that oh, you could tear your achilles and still walk,
you just have a bad limp. And I saw him
get off that cart in a bad limp, and I
was like, Oh, God, is that what it could be.
And then when you heard the chefter reporting and the
talk about the calf ripple that.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
It just felt, you know, it felt bad.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
And then I started texting the Insiders Ian and Mike
g and I was asking for you know, tell me
some good news, and and Garafalo, who is a really
good guy and he knows that, you know, I'm a
New York, New Jersey guy, and I said, I said
to Mike, sorry, I got a lot of text tonight.
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I said to Mike at seven fourteen, tell me it's
not over, and he wrote, I can't uh, and he was.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
He was at the scene tonight.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
And the Achilles is also a conversation I had hours
before the kickoff. I was texting with some family from
back home, fellow torture Jets fans, and I said, even
though you know, in terms of anticipation and excitement for
the Jets, nothing's ever gonna top when you're young, So
I'll for me the nineteen ninety nine season when they
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were coming off the AFC title game appearance, and they
had parcels and Belichick and Elway had retired, and Vinnie
was there a top quarterback and Keishaan was there, and
the idea of that season was the Jets were the
favorites to go to the Super Bowl. They played the
Patriots in Week one and Vinnie Testaverdi dropped back on
a handoff. The snap led to a fumble. On the handoff,
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he lurched forward toward the ball, and he tore his
achilles tendon in Week one game one of the most
hotly anticipated Jets season of that decade.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
For it to happen the.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Same injury the same week of the season, after the same,
if not more so hype, I'm not feeling sorry for
myself and Jets fans. No, it's hard not to feel
sorry for yourselves and feel like you're cursed. And then
you got to deal with a night of Twitter of
people just making bits and jokes and like. But it's
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almost impossible to think that that happened and tonight and
I'm still processing as we as we talk.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Right now, and I think I've been talking for like
five minutes.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
And I apologize, But it's almost possible that that happened tonight.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
No, I wasn't texting, but I don't. I don't think
you need to hear it. I almost feel like you
don't need to hear from Mark and I too much
on this show.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Thing.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
If someone had told us, if somebody had told us
four hours ago exactly what would happen in the next
four hours, it just would not have believe it.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
And I'll say one more thing, and this is that
I didn't choose to be a Jets fan. I was
born into it. I couldn't opt out of it if
I wanted to. And again, people that listen to the
show get annoyed that Dan talks about the Jets too much.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
You know, they they're.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Either not relevant or now they're relevant, and he still
talks about him too much. Well, that's just the way
it is. That's why I do what I do. That's
how I fell in love with sports, because I fell
in love with the New York teams and the Jets
and football.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
They are my.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Team and I'm just living through it. And I got
to say that, like as crushing as tonight is watching
and I was catatonic. Boys, I literally when the when
it happened, and you knew it was serious right away
just by the way he reacted.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
I didn't speak for two hours maybe.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
And thank you, as my wife brings me a Tito's
I don't know if that's legal, but I'm having one
right now deserved.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
I would say, I think that's legal.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
What was were your was your family members?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Your kids?
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Emily, so the kids, the kids after the injury, and
Daddy got really intense and quiet.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
They fleed the scene.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Emily, who's a big Hard Knocks fan and was super
excited to watch this season the Jets with me this year,
she was she went and was, you know, making dinner
for the kids, and I just watched the game in silence.
And you know, the way the game played out with
the Jets falling behind, see not having a backup plan
at all for Zach Wilson, and seeing how that game
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plan was unfolding. You have Peyton Manning come on at
halftime and say, you know, I got to you know,
he couldn't even muster as a broadcaster, like any reason
to continue watching the fact that they were able to
get back into the game, and when they tie the game,
and then now my sons are back in the living
room with me and my wife and and in my dog,
who's sensing a lot of energy and excitement, and then
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the field goal hits the upright and of course it
drops over the crossbar, and then for that punt, the
release and the happiness in my house tonight, and the
celebration of lifting up my kids and lifting up my
dog and then us all collapsing together on the couch,
Like that's that's what sports is. And like the season
is lost, like the Jets, this is gonna be another year.
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It's gonna be fifty five years without a Super Bowl.
But I think I kind of learned something tonight about
like why I love sports, and because it's those moments.
It's like those special moments. So the season might not
end in a special way, and I've already and every
Jets fans more or less resigned themselves to that, but
you got tonight, and tonight was a special game on
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nine to eleven. And my last kind of comment is, like,
you can't take away what happened with Xavier Gibson there.
You can't take away Aaron Rodgers running out of that
tunnel with the American flag on the twenty second anniversary
nine to eleven, Like those are two of my favorite
moments sports moments that I've ever had. The fact that
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it happened on this and that maybe the most crushing
night in Jets history. I mean, it's it's it's Greek
tragedy or whatever you want to call it, but it was.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
It was a wild night here. It really was.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
It really well said, and I think it does really
get to what sports is. Like I was trying to
say it, and you said it much more artfully, like
that that moment was special, that there was something, and like,
that's that's why we watch everything. And then you hear
sala after the game. I guess we've gone on long enough.
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Let's let's hear Robert Salah talk to the media about
Rogers is good?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
How do you process your emotions right now?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Justly a great win for you guys, But the Aron.
Speaker 8 (14:16):
Injury, Uh, that part sucks. I'm gonna enjoy this win.
Winning in the NFL is hard, regardless of what the
quarterback is personally. I don't hurt for me, I don't
hurt for our locker room. I heard for Aaron and
how much he's invested in all of this.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
You know.
Speaker 8 (14:31):
So I'm still gonna say prayer, I'm still gonna hold
that home. But uh, you know, my my, my heart's
with Aaron right now and nowhere else.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Like, by the way, I'm so oppressed with Robert Salad,
not just as a coach, but just as a guy.
How he answers these questions. He also, to start, didn't
beat around the bush, basically said, you know, he thinks
it's bad and and they'll wait tomorrow to have that confirm.
But to have his team play that says a lot.
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And he raised a good point. As as much as
it sucks for everyone involved, man, it sucks for Aaron
Rodgers who's turning forty later this year and is an
all time great and has provided so many moments for
us as fans, and he was so excited about this opportunity.
Was really however it was going to turn out, it
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was gonna be fascinating in a totally different experience for him,
and for him to have it cut short like it is,
it is just brutal, and you feel for him.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
The one thing though, I'd say, to your point, Dan,
I love what you said in like, you know, like
some of these teams that goes through the darkest moments,
like they wind up in really mysterious, unexpected places.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
I told you today about.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
That Steelers team that lost fifty one nothing out of
the gate and lost like thirty five nothing the next week,
It's like this might be the worst team in football.
And they went on and Damashek and I to talk
about the Steelers team to have one of the most
like incredible journeys. They weren't great, but they were the
most lovable team of that entire season. And I'm saying
that about a Steelers team. It's just like the one
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thing I took away from the rest of the game
tonight is like a week or team just collapses.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
You want like the whole.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
It seemed like Aaron Rodgers during Hard Knocks was like
obviously the poll star, the sun. Everything's shown around him,
maybe the only true adult almost in a way, and
it's like they looked up to him so much. But
then the way they responded tonight and to do what
they did to the Bills, there's still a lot going
on with his team, and I get it, like the
expectations are totally different, but it still remains the Jets
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in the future of the Jets and who they are,
and like they're well coached, and like I think of
both New York coaches what they've gone through this week
and it's like I have a lot of faith in
Robert Sala to.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
Like continue to guide this journey.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
I just do, and I kind of think, like it's
not gonna It takes everything away from a Jets fan
to to have what happened the first five six minutes
of this game. But it's like football's weird, and maybe
what comes out of this and what's birth, it's like
the true Jets team. That's just thet It's just.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
The one little kernel of hope I put in there
that like there.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
May be this other journey that we didn't expect and
it might be the most special path there could be.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
I love it. I love the idea of it. Mark,
I see the way.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
And this is the other thing that you know, I
said numerous points in the spring and summer that I
was never comfortable that Zach Wilson was just like plopped
in at the number two quarterback spot because it was
an older quarterback, because he had failed so spectacularly. And
I did sense at the and I understand it, like
nobody could have imagined that the horror of what happened
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there on that first drive. But you saw the way
Nate Hackett was just staring at that play sheet, just
trying to figure out what to use. They were not
ready to deal with the Zach Wilson of it all.
And I know he made a couple throws in this game.
I'll cycle back to that ninety nine season again, because
as the great Chris Westling, I'd love to hear from
west tonight. By the way, the Great Chris Chris Westling
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often said, history is instructive. The Jets, shell shocked after
Vinnie Blue's achilles, turned to Rick Meyer, another former first
round pick who washed out of Seattle, and he floundered
for multiple leaks weeks, and they eventually turned to a
kind of a gadget quarterback named Ray Lucas who with
a lot of grit. I think they won six of
their last nine games, and they went eight to eight
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that season. And Rich Simini, who covers the Jets and
knows Jets history better than anyone is, often wrote like,
and Bill Parcells has set himself like that was his
greatest coaching job. Was like getting that team after how
crushing and how devastating Week one was to just compete
and believe in themselves again and be a team that
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hung in games week after week. I think that's really
like realistically for me, given that they don't have a
Kurt Warner on this roster that I know of. It
is this idea of kind of leaning on this defense
in this running game and and finding a way to
hang around in the playoff race. They got to win today,
and that would that defines success. Now you have to
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recalibrate that. And if the Jets would have lost twenty
four to three tonight, I don't think anybody would have
been surprised. I don't think anybody would even been down
on the Jets because from where.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
They waste to three, I had no belief that they
were going to come back.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
In this guy, I have so much, like I have
so much admiration as you guys are saying, for the
job of these players who just decided that they weren't
going to be sad sacks here and just be part
of this like incredibly frankly sad moment in the history
of the organization. And they made it a special night
for those eighty thousand people in the stadium who were
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just as shell shocked and people like me watching at home.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Should we talk a little bit about the bill side
of this.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
I don't know if you want to get into the jet.
I do want to talk to the bill side in
the game at some point. But while we're talking about
the season ahead, the question's gonna quickly turn to if
not Zack Wilson, and I know it'll be Zach Wilson
next week, and they're gonna want Zack Wilson to work.
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But tonight was disturbing like he looked, he looked mostly
like he.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
And I was disturbing on so many levels right well,
the sty whispers of Carson Wentz.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
His performance was disturbing, and I know he made a
couple throws later. But there was all the Zach Wilson stuff.
There was the staring down interception. There was running backwards.
I counted twenty nine yards behind the line of scrimmage
on a screen pass. There was this crazy stuff. And
everything you said about the eight and eight team I hear.
But then I see this Jets defense which made Josh
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Allen look like a fool. Four turnovers, eight quarterback hits,
everything that they do, and that this could be the
very best defense in the league. And then you saw
Brees Hall tonight. What a special surprise, what a special player.
Then you see here at Wilson make one of the
catches of all time on a bad Zach Wilson throw
that he turned into each other, and you think, what
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a special player, And you think these players deserve more
than Zach Wilson. And there are opportunities out there for
an organization that is kind of all in and salary
cap wise and all that stuff, and draft picks, like
I would be willing to give up some sort of
draft pick or something for a veteran that's better now,
whether that's a free agent like Carson Wentz, whether that's
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a mid round pick for pick a name Jacoby Brissett,
Jamis Winston, Teddy Bridgewater. I know these aren't gonna get
Jets fans excited, but I look at this roster and
I think with a quarterback, maybe at that level, this
is a team that can go out and compete every
week and maybe make the playoffs and serve those other
players better than sixteen weeks of Zack Wilson might. And
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it has to be a conversation in the Jets' front
office in the next few.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
D the ceiling, yeah, the ceiling to me with as
currently constituted this roster, Zach Wilson is about eight wins,
and I agree with you, like it would be a
shame to waste another year of this defense being all
together and being as talented they are, and potentially special
running game with Breeze Hall, who still hasn't even Breeze
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Hall yet. I mean the fact that he got run
down from behind on eighty three yards, that that was
telling he was not getting caught last year. Even that
first initial run to the left side where he picked
up about twenty you could tell he's not all the
way back, and you just hope as the season goes
along he does get all the way back, like I
hear you, and I wonder. I just I get frustrated
because this was always a possibility. This wasn't a remote possibility.
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There was always a decent chance that you would need
your number two quarterback to step in. And I just
think they had this very cute, in my mind plan,
which was Zach Wilson will sit behind Aaron Rodgers for
one to three years, and then he will hand the
reins over in twenty twenty six, and then he will
he will fulfill his destiny as a good draft pick
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by the Jets. And I think They've left themselves very
vulnerable here, and I think Nathaniel Hackett would admit that
to you in private if you asked them.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
But I like it, Greg I going after like a
Jake Brisket.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
It's not exciting, especially with the amount of excitement entering tonight,
but that would give them a punter's chance to maybe
get to ten wins, and.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
They'd have to give a premium that they wouldn't have
had to at some point obviously in the off season.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Well, they'll have a first round pick next year.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Well it can't. It can't be a first. He cannot
be giving up first for these guys. But whether it's
a third that like upgrades to a second depending on
how he plays something like that. Like to me, it's
a whole year of your life and they're a little
screwed anyways that I think that'd be worth it for
a mid round.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
I don't make light of this, but I have my
Matthew Stafford Sandwich props sitting out there. Probably the rams
are too high on that situation, and after what happened
against Seattle.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Oh wait one, but you're right, things can change in
like five.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
You never know.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
But I think like so Carson Wentz has been mentioned.
I don't love that for anyone, but why not. I'm
with you, Dan, though, I think like it's one of
these teams that it was kind of Aaron Rodgers or
bust obviously at quarterbacks, so it's like they didn't do
enough behind him, and this is an older quarterback that
has had, you know, miss games here and there once
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in a while.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
What else is there to say about this game, Like
I think, I think we get the preview coming up
with the Bills, and like I think that that this
is a there's.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
A lot of concern around Buffalo. We talked about it.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
I know it's I know it got like totally panned,
like not gonna do it, but like like I got
totally panned, uh like when I mentioned this, but they
looked like absolute junk in the preseason when the starters
were out there, and I thought that something's going on
with Josh Allen. He's also like his his turnover count
over the last two seasons kind of gets washed away
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because of his incredible heroics. But this is another game where,
like I mean some of the some of these like
interceptions were.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Why about the way we talk about the Browns and
Joe Burrows, how we should talk about Josh Allen and
the Jets, though I will say that like, I'm very
interested to see what version of Josh Allen shows up
next week, because this was a game Buffalo had no
business losing. Their opponent was shell shocked, lost their best player,
the quarterback, and all you got to do is kind
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of play conservatively within your limits, hit a couple throws,
don't give the team reason and that building reason to
wake back up. And I just thought it was a
really foolishly played game in many respects by Allen. And
I know that is something that's always been part of
his DNA, but I would under like Eric Roberts, our producer,
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I'll be interested to talk to him when I see
him again, Like you want this stuff to kind of
phase out of his DNA as he gets older and
starts to understand the mental cerebral side of the things.
And yet he looked like he was year one or
year two in this game.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
That was the most chaotic Allen performance I can remember
since that Texans off lost, which was kind of the
moment where like all the Josh Allen detractors like myself
at the time were just like, man, this guy's an
insane person, Like he just made some insane decisions tonight.
And give Jordan Whitehead credit. Especially the third interception was
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a beautiful play. And the Jets defense played with such
ferocity and such physical nature when they were tackling all
over the field for minute one. I watched the game
you know here with MGD and he was noticing it.
Like Michael Clemens. Everyone was just hit and hitting. But
a veteran quarterback that's played as much as Alan has
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to know the situations here that he was just giving
points away in a game that they just needed to
get through. And he should have known better because he
struggled against this team, as you mentioned, three straight times,
He's had three touchdowns and five interceptions, been sacked I
think thirteen times in the last three times, and he
hasn't hit anything down the field. Anytime he tries to
go down the field, he's struggled, and I thought he
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got over it. They had a nice clutch drive to
four overtime where he made some nice throws and Digs
especially did a great job on that drive. But that's
that's Alan, And the weird thing is it's not improving,
and part of the Jets season now will be ruining
other teams seasons. You you want to have as much
fun as you can. You want to make the playoffs,
but they can get some division wins like this. I mean,
Bill's fans are dying here tonight because they got their
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own issues to deal with. As every Bills fan knows
is our listeners know, and this is a season that's
so big to them. This is the worst possible way
to start. It's losing to Zach Wilson at MetLife Stadium again.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
I can think of a worse way to start. Okay,
that's true, you know what I mean, though I didn't
put Garrett Wilson in the Superstar club. By the way,
it's crazy. That catch is crazy here, Troy.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
I know everybody's excited, but Troy Aikman, do you hear
what he said after it happened.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Oh yeah, the greatest young receiver that I've ever seen.
Speaker 7 (27:54):
Yep, and he talked about seeing that year too.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
Wow, I didn't hear that. That is I hate you
don't want to like go crazy in the moment, but
that's got to be on the list of like the
twenty best touchdowns of all time ten. But I mean
hands aren't supposed to work that way. He like backhanded
it like it was like a like a volley to
himself with the other side of his would would that
it was like it was such a bad throw and
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it was just He's amazing.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I don't know, all right, anything else I'm about Dan.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
I think we need to let you go off into
I know Greg is gonna have another comment, but we
need to let you go off into the distance and
not enjoy this. Just ponder this, and yeah, this is
it's a big You know, you showed up tonight. You
could have ghosted us, but you didn't.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
That would not have been an option. I know, you
know it did.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Actually, honestly, during my catatonic state tonight, it did cross
my mind to like.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Maybe able to sit this one out and talk.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I did think, well, if we did a podcast two
days after West died, like and we talked about that, like,
nothing is ever gonna be harder or crazier uh than that,
So I could certainly talk about what happened to Aaron
Rodgers and the jet streams tonight.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
So let's see here on a positive note, just circling
back to hard Knocks.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
That's all.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
I just want to hear from Robert Salad because as
crazy as that game is, for it to end on
Xavier Gibson of all people, after this build up to
hard Knocks was a really special football moment. Let's hear
Salah in that clip when when Gibson made the team
for Bar Knocks.
Speaker 9 (29:35):
Just want to let you know, man, your New York jest,
you go, you're gonna you're gonna do a lot of
good things for us to see.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
You got you got something to you the way you
approach a game with your intent, your mindset and all
that stuff, Like, there's no in our mind that you're
gonna maximize who you are. You're definitely one of us.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Beautiful, beautiful moment.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
And hey, heads up, John Parry Rules Analyst, You're gonna
come on the air to prove you're worth a paycheck
and say you got to put an asterisk on that
punt return on this night for that team.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
I'll tell you where to put an asterisk. Take a walk,
take a walk.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
I'm gonna take a walk. It's like Aaron Rodgers ninety retired,
he went in the darkness. I'm gonna take a walk
with the captain and we're gonna think about everything that
transpired tonight.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
I'm this crazy, crazy heed the call
Digs in motion from right to left. Alan In the
shot gun takes a snap. Poor man look looks right
throughth like sideline.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
The acept it again by Jordan whitehad he's got a
hat stick Jordan White hand with his third pick of
the knife.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
The Jets get the takeaway at the four yard line,
second down and goal. Zack Wilson drops back love left
for Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Gor here the Jackie's got it.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
That's the get clutch down, get red Wilson. What an
awful lavable self tip the one handed stack and the
Jets horre a point after away from a tie.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Robert slip really call time out. The snap, the placement down,
the kick is on the way, It's got plenty of distance.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
It hits the upright and go through.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
It's gone. Tyler Fans hit the left right and got
the right, Carol.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
It snuck through the forks and we are tied with
two seconds to go. He snap and getting away a
line drive kicking. Sam Martin gives some runs under it
at the jet thirty five starts to his left, gets
to the forty, turns the corner hat the forty five.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Thinking flock is it gon not the forty pp the
pills thirties picks out the twenty step A step to.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
The time to the five touchdown. It's a Jet touchdown.
This game is over. Roll a waiter and Monday Night Football.
Climpton's gonna take this.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
We're back sixty through look for the touchdown.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
One of the last players to make the Jet roster
out of training camp just took.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It to the house to wait it over.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Time for the Jets.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Boba Susan and Marty Lyons Jets Radio. It started out
as the most anticipated night in the history of the
New York Jets, before quickly turning into maybe the biggest
nightmare the organization has ever faced, playing out on prime
time to the horror of me and countless other Jets
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fans who are still processing with the fallout of what
certainly seems like the end of the road for Aaron
Rodgers in twenty twenty three after suffering a torn Achilles
tendon or that's the fear here on the fourth snap
of the game. Almost impossible to think about it, but
that is the reality of the situation. And to the
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credit of the Jets and their coaching staff and that team,
they battled back and at least could call it a
pyrrhic victory, but it was something that I'll always remember.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Twenty two to sixteen overtime win on.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Over the rival Bills, with Xavier Gibson taken back the
punt return sixty five yards to the house. Dan Hans
is here with Mark Sessler and Greg Rosenthal. Oh what
a roller coaster. I mean a roller coaster. They haven't
invented the ride yet. Boys to properly explain the feeling
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that I have right now, but yeah, that's life, that's sports.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
It is sports, and it's like it even as a
non Jets fans. It's a weird moment to process it
as a football fan and watching this because actually, as
I walked up the stairs an NFL that work, I
hadn't seen the postgame press conference, and it felt like
such a special moment for the Jets because it's everything
that sports is. It's brutal that Rogers left so quickly
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and frustrating, and you want to just curse the gods,
and you're watching Zach Wilson and you're so angry about that,
and then the game ended up being just the stupid
performance by Josh Allen and this beautiful performance by the Jets,
and they end up winning on that special teams and
their defense and their offense and even Breese Hall coming back,
and it actually felt kind of amazing and beautiful, even
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if Robert Salas says he wanted to enjoy it. And
by the time I walked upstairs, you hear Robert sala
basically confirm the worst and that they expect it to
be confirmed. And you're kind of right back where you started.
He says he's going to enjoy it tonight, But I
know it's gonna be hard for Jets fans, for you too, Dan.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
I mean from a holistic team angle, and we learned
about the Jets and who they are so much over
the past month and a half. You just look at
like what Jordan Whitehead did tonight and Quincy Williams and
Garrett Wilson's absolutely incredible touchdown grab, like there's so much
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hope inside this organization kind of no matter what. But
like I walked up those steps today too, and I
walked up the with Dan and like, I'm just like,
we it's so it's so absurd to me, Dan, like
conversation we had where we're just like this is this
we've been you have been through so much with the Jets,
and like I went through with the Browns in my
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own way, and like we were like, tonight will be different.
It has to be because of so many factors that
suggest that, and I don't know, you know, like, yeah,
the other events of this game, because I like, I'm
a note taker and so I'm like taking endless notes
about what's happening on snap after snap, and it's like
the minute what happened to Aaron Rodgers, you know, after
he's like essentially bulldoze three snaps in a row and
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then he's gone. It's like I don't, I don't. Yeah,
it's like, cool, your house burned down. Then the ice
cream man drove up and gave you a free snow cone.
But it's like, it's a nice victory for the Jets.
It says a lot about who they are. But I
don't think that if you're like, the guy that gave
the middle finger is basically all of all of football
fans that have been through a tough time.
Speaker 7 (05:57):
And I feel for you, Dan.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
I appreciate that market and I did think about that
conversation as well.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
After we finished the podcast. In the NFL Plus taping.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
We walked up the steps and headed out towards the
parking lot and we're talking and you asked me how
I was feeling about the game, and I was having
a lot of anxiety about it and it was building.
And I said this to Colleen on the end of
the Hard Knocks run, that the excitement wasn't there as
much as just this feeling that I had, knowing the
way things go as a fan of the Jets, that
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like the summer, and that's how I kind of said
it on the show. The summer was special, and people
got annoyed with me and got annoyed with the coverage
of the Jets, but I like savored every moment of
the summer and the spring and the hype around the
team because A it didn't happen a lot. It hasn't
happened a lot with this team, and B I knew
from experience that these things they don't tend to always
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work out. And you know, of course, I'm going to
go on the on the show last week and say
that Jests are gonna win the super Bowl because that's
the type of fan I am. I always hope for
the best, but that annoying anxiety that I had was
the very real feeling that something was gonna happen. And
I said it to you Mark this afternoon. This morning,
I said, I can I'll be okay if this season
ends with Rogers not playing at a high level and
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the Jets being a disappointment. And then, but at least
you took a shot, and it made sense. The logic
checked out, as I said over and over this summer,
the logic checks out that this is a big time team.
What I wouldn't be able to live with is something
bad happening, an injury early on happening, and damn it
if it's not a torn achilles. And let me tell
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you something about torn achilles, because that's something that is
personal to me as well.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
This summer, I.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Was with my father on vacation in Texas and watched
him tear his achilles right in front of me. And
I watched the way he limped to the car after
it happened.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
And I learned that.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Day that oh, you could tear your achilles and still walk,
you just have a bad limp. And I saw him
get off that cart in a bad limp, and I
was like, Oh, God, is that what it could be.
And then when you heard the chefter reporting and the
talk about the calf ripple that.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
It just felt, you know, it felt bad.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
And then I started texting the Insiders Ian and Mike
g and I was asking for you know, tell me
some good news, and and Garafalo, who is a really
good guy and he knows that, you know, I'm a
New York, New Jersey guy, and I said, I said
to Mike, sorry, I got a lot of text tonight.
(08:32):
I said to Mike at seven fourteen, tell me it's
not over, and he wrote, I can't uh, and he was.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
He was at the scene tonight.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
And the Achilles is also a conversation I had hours
before the kickoff. I was texting with some family from
back home, fellow torture Jets fans, and I said, even
though you know, in terms of anticipation and excitement for
the Jets, nothing's ever gonna top when you're young, So
I'll for me the nineteen ninety nine season when they
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were coming off the AFC title game appearance, and they
had parcels and Belichick and Elway had retired, and Vinnie
was there a top quarterback and Keishaan was there, and
the idea of that season was the Jets were the
favorites to go to the Super Bowl. They played the
Patriots in Week one and Vinnie Testaverdi dropped back on
a handoff. The snap led to a fumble. On the handoff,
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he lurched forward toward the ball, and he tore his
achilles tendon in Week one game one of the most
hotly anticipated Jets season of that decade.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
For it to happen the.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Same injury the same week of the season, after the same,
if not more so hype, I'm not feeling sorry for
myself and Jets fans. No, it's hard not to feel
sorry for yourselves and feel like you're cursed. And then
you got to deal with a night of Twitter of
people just making bits and jokes and like. But it's
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almost impossible to think that that happened and tonight and
I'm still processing as we as we talk.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Right now, and I think I've been talking for like
five minutes.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
And I apologize, But it's almost possible that that happened tonight.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
No, I wasn't texting, but I don't. I don't think
you need to hear it. I almost feel like you
don't need to hear from Mark and I too much
on this show.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Thing.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
If someone had told us, if somebody had told us
four hours ago exactly what would happen in the next
four hours, it just would not have believe it.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
And I'll say one more thing, and this is that
I didn't choose to be a Jets fan. I was
born into it. I couldn't opt out of it if
I wanted to. And again, people that listen to the
show get annoyed that Dan talks about the Jets too much.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
You know, they they're.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Either not relevant or now they're relevant, and he still
talks about him too much. Well, that's just the way
it is. That's why I do what I do. That's
how I fell in love with sports, because I fell
in love with the New York teams and the Jets
and football.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
They are my.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Team and I'm just living through it. And I got
to say that, like as crushing as tonight is watching
and I was catatonic. Boys, I literally when the when
it happened, and you knew it was serious right away
just by the way he reacted.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
I didn't speak for two hours maybe.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
And thank you, as my wife brings me a Tito's
I don't know if that's legal, but I'm having one
right now deserved.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
I would say, I think that's legal.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
What was were your was your family members?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Your kids?
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Emily, so the kids, the kids after the injury, and
Daddy got really intense and quiet.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
They fleed the scene.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Emily, who's a big Hard Knocks fan and was super
excited to watch this season the Jets with me this year,
she was she went and was, you know, making dinner
for the kids, and I just watched the game in silence.
And you know, the way the game played out with
the Jets falling behind, see not having a backup plan
at all for Zach Wilson, and seeing how that game
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plan was unfolding. You have Peyton Manning come on at
halftime and say, you know, I got to you know,
he couldn't even muster as a broadcaster, like any reason
to continue watching the fact that they were able to
get back into the game, and when they tie the game,
and then now my sons are back in the living
room with me and my wife and and in my dog,
who's sensing a lot of energy and excitement, and then
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the field goal hits the upright and of course it
drops over the crossbar, and then for that punt, the
release and the happiness in my house tonight, and the
celebration of lifting up my kids and lifting up my
dog and then us all collapsing together on the couch,
Like that's that's what sports is. And like the season
is lost, like the Jets, this is gonna be another year.
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It's gonna be fifty five years without a Super Bowl.
But I think I kind of learned something tonight about
like why I love sports, and because it's those moments.
It's like those special moments. So the season might not
end in a special way, and I've already and every
Jets fans more or less resigned themselves to that, but
you got tonight, and tonight was a special game on
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nine to eleven. And my last kind of comment is, like,
you can't take away what happened with Xavier Gibson there.
You can't take away Aaron Rodgers running out of that
tunnel with the American flag on the twenty second anniversary
nine to eleven, Like those are two of my favorite
moments sports moments that I've ever had. The fact that
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it happened on this and that maybe the most crushing
night in Jets history. I mean, it's it's it's Greek
tragedy or whatever you want to call it, but it was.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
It was a wild night here. It really was.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
It really well said, and I think it does really
get to what sports is. Like I was trying to
say it, and you said it much more artfully, like
that that moment was special, that there was something, and like,
that's that's why we watch everything. And then you hear
sala after the game. I guess we've gone on long enough.
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Let's let's hear Robert Salah talk to the media about
Rogers is good?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
How do you process your emotions right now?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Justly a great win for you guys, But the Aron.
Speaker 8 (14:16):
Injury, Uh, that part sucks. I'm gonna enjoy this win.
Winning in the NFL is hard, regardless of what the
quarterback is personally. I don't hurt for me, I don't
hurt for our locker room. I heard for Aaron and
how much he's invested in all of this.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
You know.
Speaker 8 (14:31):
So I'm still gonna say prayer, I'm still gonna hold
that home. But uh, you know, my my, my heart's
with Aaron right now and nowhere else.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Like, by the way, I'm so oppressed with Robert Salad,
not just as a coach, but just as a guy.
How he answers these questions. He also, to start, didn't
beat around the bush, basically said, you know, he thinks
it's bad and and they'll wait tomorrow to have that confirm.
But to have his team play that says a lot.
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And he raised a good point. As as much as
it sucks for everyone involved, man, it sucks for Aaron
Rodgers who's turning forty later this year and is an
all time great and has provided so many moments for
us as fans, and he was so excited about this opportunity.
Was really however it was going to turn out, it
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was gonna be fascinating in a totally different experience for him,
and for him to have it cut short like it is,
it is just brutal, and you feel for him.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
The one thing though, I'd say, to your point, Dan,
I love what you said in like, you know, like
some of these teams that goes through the darkest moments,
like they wind up in really mysterious, unexpected places.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
I told you today about.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
That Steelers team that lost fifty one nothing out of
the gate and lost like thirty five nothing the next week,
It's like this might be the worst team in football.
And they went on and Damashek and I to talk
about the Steelers team to have one of the most
like incredible journeys. They weren't great, but they were the
most lovable team of that entire season. And I'm saying
that about a Steelers team. It's just like the one
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thing I took away from the rest of the game
tonight is like a week or team just collapses.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
You want like the whole.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
It seemed like Aaron Rodgers during Hard Knocks was like
obviously the poll star, the sun. Everything's shown around him,
maybe the only true adult almost in a way, and
it's like they looked up to him so much. But
then the way they responded tonight and to do what
they did to the Bills, there's still a lot going
on with his team, and I get it, like the
expectations are totally different, but it still remains the Jets
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in the future of the Jets and who they are,
and like they're well coached, and like I think of
both New York coaches what they've gone through this week
and it's like I have a lot of faith in
Robert Sala to.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
Like continue to guide this journey.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
I just do, and I kind of think, like it's
not gonna It takes everything away from a Jets fan
to to have what happened the first five six minutes
of this game. But it's like football's weird, and maybe
what comes out of this and what's birth, it's like
the true Jets team. That's just thet It's just.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
The one little kernel of hope I put in there
that like there.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
May be this other journey that we didn't expect and
it might be the most special path there could be.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
I love it. I love the idea of it. Mark,
I see the way.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
And this is the other thing that you know, I
said numerous points in the spring and summer that I
was never comfortable that Zach Wilson was just like plopped
in at the number two quarterback spot because it was
an older quarterback, because he had failed so spectacularly. And
I did sense at the and I understand it, like
nobody could have imagined that the horror of what happened
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there on that first drive. But you saw the way
Nate Hackett was just staring at that play sheet, just
trying to figure out what to use. They were not
ready to deal with the Zach Wilson of it all.
And I know he made a couple throws in this game.
I'll cycle back to that ninety nine season again, because
as the great Chris Westling, I'd love to hear from
west tonight. By the way, the Great Chris Chris Westling
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often said, history is instructive. The Jets, shell shocked after
Vinnie Blue's achilles, turned to Rick Meyer, another former first
round pick who washed out of Seattle, and he floundered
for multiple leaks weeks, and they eventually turned to a
kind of a gadget quarterback named Ray Lucas who with
a lot of grit. I think they won six of
their last nine games, and they went eight to eight
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that season. And Rich Simini, who covers the Jets and
knows Jets history better than anyone is, often wrote like,
and Bill Parcells has set himself like that was his
greatest coaching job. Was like getting that team after how
crushing and how devastating Week one was to just compete
and believe in themselves again and be a team that
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hung in games week after week. I think that's really
like realistically for me, given that they don't have a
Kurt Warner on this roster that I know of. It
is this idea of kind of leaning on this defense
in this running game and and finding a way to
hang around in the playoff race. They got to win today,
and that would that defines success. Now you have to
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recalibrate that. And if the Jets would have lost twenty
four to three tonight, I don't think anybody would have
been surprised. I don't think anybody would even been down
on the Jets because from where.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
They waste to three, I had no belief that they
were going to come back.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
In this guy, I have so much, like I have
so much admiration as you guys are saying, for the
job of these players who just decided that they weren't
going to be sad sacks here and just be part
of this like incredibly frankly sad moment in the history
of the organization. And they made it a special night
for those eighty thousand people in the stadium who were
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just as shell shocked and people like me watching at home.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Should we talk a little bit about the bill side
of this.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
I don't know if you want to get into the jet.
I do want to talk to the bill side in
the game at some point. But while we're talking about
the season ahead, the question's gonna quickly turn to if
not Zack Wilson, and I know it'll be Zach Wilson
next week, and they're gonna want Zack Wilson to work.
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But tonight was disturbing like he looked, he looked mostly
like he.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
And I was disturbing on so many levels right well,
the sty whispers of Carson Wentz.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
His performance was disturbing, and I know he made a
couple throws later. But there was all the Zach Wilson stuff.
There was the staring down interception. There was running backwards.
I counted twenty nine yards behind the line of scrimmage
on a screen pass. There was this crazy stuff. And
everything you said about the eight and eight team I hear.
But then I see this Jets defense which made Josh
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Allen look like a fool. Four turnovers, eight quarterback hits,
everything that they do, and that this could be the
very best defense in the league. And then you saw
Brees Hall tonight. What a special surprise, what a special player.
Then you see here at Wilson make one of the
catches of all time on a bad Zach Wilson throw
that he turned into each other, and you think, what
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a special player, And you think these players deserve more
than Zach Wilson. And there are opportunities out there for
an organization that is kind of all in and salary
cap wise and all that stuff, and draft picks, like
I would be willing to give up some sort of
draft pick or something for a veteran that's better now,
whether that's a free agent like Carson Wentz, whether that's
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a mid round pick for pick a name Jacoby Brissett,
Jamis Winston, Teddy Bridgewater. I know these aren't gonna get
Jets fans excited, but I look at this roster and
I think with a quarterback, maybe at that level, this
is a team that can go out and compete every
week and maybe make the playoffs and serve those other
players better than sixteen weeks of Zack Wilson might. And
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it has to be a conversation in the Jets' front
office in the next few.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
D the ceiling, yeah, the ceiling to me with as
currently constituted this roster, Zach Wilson is about eight wins,
and I agree with you, like it would be a
shame to waste another year of this defense being all
together and being as talented they are, and potentially special
running game with Breeze Hall, who still hasn't even Breeze
(22:15):
Hall yet. I mean the fact that he got run
down from behind on eighty three yards, that that was
telling he was not getting caught last year. Even that
first initial run to the left side where he picked
up about twenty you could tell he's not all the
way back, and you just hope as the season goes
along he does get all the way back, like I
hear you, and I wonder. I just I get frustrated
because this was always a possibility. This wasn't a remote possibility.
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There was always a decent chance that you would need
your number two quarterback to step in. And I just
think they had this very cute, in my mind plan,
which was Zach Wilson will sit behind Aaron Rodgers for
one to three years, and then he will hand the
reins over in twenty twenty six, and then he will
he will fulfill his destiny as a good draft pick
(23:01):
by the Jets. And I think They've left themselves very
vulnerable here, and I think Nathaniel Hackett would admit that
to you in private if you asked them.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
But I like it, Greg I going after like a
Jake Brisket.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
It's not exciting, especially with the amount of excitement entering tonight,
but that would give them a punter's chance to maybe
get to ten wins, and.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
They'd have to give a premium that they wouldn't have
had to at some point obviously in the off season.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Well, they'll have a first round pick next year.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Well it can't. It can't be a first. He cannot
be giving up first for these guys. But whether it's
a third that like upgrades to a second depending on
how he plays something like that. Like to me, it's
a whole year of your life and they're a little
screwed anyways that I think that'd be worth it for
a mid round.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
I don't make light of this, but I have my
Matthew Stafford Sandwich props sitting out there. Probably the rams
are too high on that situation, and after what happened
against Seattle.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Oh wait one, but you're right, things can change in
like five.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
You never know.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
But I think like so Carson Wentz has been mentioned.
I don't love that for anyone, but why not. I'm
with you, Dan, though, I think like it's one of
these teams that it was kind of Aaron Rodgers or
bust obviously at quarterbacks, so it's like they didn't do
enough behind him, and this is an older quarterback that
has had, you know, miss games here and there once
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in a while.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
What else is there to say about this game, Like
I think, I think we get the preview coming up
with the Bills, and like I think that that this
is a there's.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
A lot of concern around Buffalo. We talked about it.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
I know it's I know it got like totally panned,
like not gonna do it, but like like I got
totally panned, uh like when I mentioned this, but they
looked like absolute junk in the preseason when the starters
were out there, and I thought that something's going on
with Josh Allen. He's also like his his turnover count
over the last two seasons kind of gets washed away
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because of his incredible heroics. But this is another game where,
like I mean some of the some of these like
interceptions were.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Why about the way we talk about the Browns and
Joe Burrows, how we should talk about Josh Allen and
the Jets, though I will say that like, I'm very
interested to see what version of Josh Allen shows up
next week, because this was a game Buffalo had no
business losing. Their opponent was shell shocked, lost their best player,
the quarterback, and all you got to do is kind
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of play conservatively within your limits, hit a couple throws,
don't give the team reason and that building reason to
wake back up. And I just thought it was a
really foolishly played game in many respects by Allen. And
I know that is something that's always been part of
his DNA, but I would under like Eric Roberts, our producer,
(25:40):
I'll be interested to talk to him when I see
him again, Like you want this stuff to kind of
phase out of his DNA as he gets older and
starts to understand the mental cerebral side of the things.
And yet he looked like he was year one or
year two in this game.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
That was the most chaotic Allen performance I can remember
since that Texans off lost, which was kind of the
moment where like all the Josh Allen detractors like myself
at the time were just like, man, this guy's an
insane person, Like he just made some insane decisions tonight.
And give Jordan Whitehead credit. Especially the third interception was
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a beautiful play. And the Jets defense played with such
ferocity and such physical nature when they were tackling all
over the field for minute one. I watched the game
you know here with MGD and he was noticing it.
Like Michael Clemens. Everyone was just hit and hitting. But
a veteran quarterback that's played as much as Alan has
(26:35):
to know the situations here that he was just giving
points away in a game that they just needed to
get through. And he should have known better because he
struggled against this team, as you mentioned, three straight times,
He's had three touchdowns and five interceptions, been sacked I
think thirteen times in the last three times, and he
hasn't hit anything down the field. Anytime he tries to
go down the field, he's struggled, and I thought he
(26:58):
got over it. They had a nice clutch drive to
four overtime where he made some nice throws and Digs
especially did a great job on that drive. But that's
that's Alan, And the weird thing is it's not improving,
and part of the Jets season now will be ruining
other teams seasons. You you want to have as much
fun as you can. You want to make the playoffs,
but they can get some division wins like this. I mean,
Bill's fans are dying here tonight because they got their
(27:20):
own issues to deal with. As every Bills fan knows
is our listeners know, and this is a season that's
so big to them. This is the worst possible way
to start. It's losing to Zach Wilson at MetLife Stadium again.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
I can think of a worse way to start. Okay,
that's true, you know what I mean, though I didn't
put Garrett Wilson in the Superstar club. By the way,
it's crazy. That catch is crazy here, Troy.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
I know everybody's excited, but Troy Aikman, do you hear
what he said after it happened.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Oh yeah, the greatest young receiver that I've ever seen.
Speaker 7 (27:54):
Yep, and he talked about seeing that year too.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
Wow, I didn't hear that. That is I hate you
don't want to like go crazy in the moment, but
that's got to be on the list of like the
twenty best touchdowns of all time ten. But I mean
hands aren't supposed to work that way. He like backhanded
it like it was like a like a volley to
himself with the other side of his would would that
it was like it was such a bad throw and
(28:18):
it was just He's amazing.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I don't know, all right, anything else I'm about Dan.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
I think we need to let you go off into
I know Greg is gonna have another comment, but we
need to let you go off into the distance and
not enjoy this. Just ponder this, and yeah, this is
it's a big You know, you showed up tonight. You
could have ghosted us, but you didn't.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
That would not have been an option. I know, you
know it did.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Actually, honestly, during my catatonic state tonight, it did cross
my mind to like.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Maybe able to sit this one out and talk.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I did think, well, if we did a podcast two
days after West died, like and we talked about that, like,
nothing is ever gonna be harder or crazier uh than that,
So I could certainly talk about what happened to Aaron
Rodgers and the jet streams tonight.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
So let's see here on a positive note, just circling
back to hard Knocks.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
That's all.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
I just want to hear from Robert Salad because as
crazy as that game is, for it to end on
Xavier Gibson of all people, after this build up to
hard Knocks was a really special football moment. Let's hear
Salah in that clip when when Gibson made the team
for Bar Knocks.
Speaker 9 (29:35):
Just want to let you know, man, your New York jest,
you go, you're gonna you're gonna do a lot of
good things for us to see.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
You got you got something to you the way you
approach a game with your intent, your mindset and all
that stuff, Like, there's no in our mind that you're
gonna maximize who you are. You're definitely one of us.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Beautiful, beautiful moment.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
And hey, heads up, John Parry Rules Analyst, You're gonna
come on the air to prove you're worth a paycheck
and say you got to put an asterisk on that
punt return on this night for that team.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
I'll tell you where to put an asterisk. Take a walk,
take a walk.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
I'm gonna take a walk. It's like Aaron Rodgers ninety retired,
he went in the darkness. I'm gonna take a walk
with the captain and we're gonna think about everything that
transpired tonight.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
I'm this crazy, crazy heed the call
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