Jets-Patriots TNF Recap and Diving Deep on the Saints

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Dave Dameshek to recap Aaron Rodgers and the Jets beating the Patriots on Thursday Night Football. The guys open the show by discussing Rodgers' play (02:55) and tell you reasons to believe in the Jets (13:12). Dave and Gregg also discuss what to take away from teams after three games (17:10) and have a chat about Dave's Steelers and their upcoming game against the Chargers (31:20). After the break, Gregg is joined by Adam and Ryan from the Saints Block Party Podcast for a deep dive into Derek Carr and the Saints (41:11), where they try to decide if the Saints are for real this season. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Mist goal at the two.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Aaron Rodgers pre sault to his left slot right two
tight end set left. Rogers takes the snap, play action,
looks right, pumps one, throws right talk.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Front by pile on Garren Wilson.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
That's a jet to town Jark Wilson toe taps just
inside the front fight pil on man.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Aaron Rodgers puts him.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Right in his hands.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're just a bunch of
old men.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Egin gracefully like Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
That was Aaron Rodgers connecting with Garrett Wilson, w AXQ
Bob with Susan on the call, A happy night in
Medlife Stadium.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
A blowout.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
I mean, it was twenty four to three New York
Jets over the Patriots, and that score flatters the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
It was such a blowout. I'm Greg Rosenthal.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
I am so delighted to be joined on this Monday
night or Thursday night rather for the re cap with
my friend the great Dave damaschek Check. I'm sorry I didn't,
you know, deliver a better game for you. My hometown
Patriots gave up us a stinker for our recap.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Listen so far your performance has been noble. I you
know this must be just a sea of emotions for
you to take in here. And I know you're a
pros pro, but boy oh boy, AFC East specific when's
the last time the Patriots got it handed to them
by a division foe like that. The only one that

(01:33):
comes to mind is Drew Bledsoe's first game in Buffalo
thirty one?

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Nothing right? Or was that thirty eight nine?

Speaker 4 (01:37):
Well, I mean the Bills over the last couple of years,
if we're going to count get back Mac Jones era
even I actually think the playoff lost of the Bills
when they somehow snuck into the playoffs. The fact that
they didn't have a defensive stop and Bill Belichick is
still the coach that is somehow more embarrassing. But to
your point, sheck, this was the first twenty point lead

(01:59):
the Jets had at any point, and of course they
finished it out with a twenty one point one since
the first Belichick year two thousand against the Jets.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
True, I mean it is.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Lead against any human beings you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Against the Patriots. Against the Patriots, I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
The Patriots had won fifteen straight until last December. That
was that was the moment where you knew it was
really over for Belichick, where his seven and a half
year winning streak over the Jets ended in some meaningless
December game.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
But yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
It's a tough night if you're a Patriots fan who
expected a lot out of the season. But I gotta say,
my emotions, but at least before Drake May comes in,
are pretty in check. I'm trying to actually feel more
about this Patriots team. But I watched this game and
I I'm I'm a generous guyscheck and I think, Okay,
the Jets are going to be part of this season.
They're going to be in primetime a lot. That's the

(02:53):
takeaway here that like Aaron Rodgers is going to be
a real dude. He started to show it in the
second half of that tight scheme, and he was awesome tonight.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
I mean, I think if you're a Jets fan, your
optimism is suddenly boundless all through the game. Now, as
as Herb Street said towards the end of it, every
time he takes off, you hold your breath.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
I'm assuming if you're a Jets fan.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
He's a forty year old man after all, And when
he did try to take off a year ago.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
We know what happened, but he looked good doing that.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
He looked good.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Bounce in the pocket, he looked good. Throwing outside the pocket.
He looked good hanging in the pocket and delivering it.
I mean, I don't know what there is to be
sad about Morgan. Moses is not a small absence if
he's down for any amount of time, and I'm guessing
he is. But they did use that first round pick
on a tackle, so I guess they're.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
In good shape there. Mike Williams looked pretty nice there.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, you know, listen, the one thing I have cautioned
fans all through the off season against doing is assuming
a team is going to be good because they had
a high end defense a year ago. We're of mysterious
why defenses don't travel from season to season, but it
is not a dependable thing to say, well, the Jets
obviously are going to be good because they had that

(04:09):
great defense a year ago. But tonight, at least against
poor Jacoby Brissett, they looked like the real dealt What
weren't they doing?

Speaker 5 (04:18):
Well?

Speaker 2 (04:18):
They were running the ball nicely, so yeah, I guess
they announced themselves and now when you marry it up
and you look around their neighborhood, specifically the AFC East
to being down, you assume that the Dolphins are now
rendered probably irrelevant for the next month or six weeks,
and by the time they come up for air, it
may be too late. So we're already maybe in a

(04:39):
two horse race in the East.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yeah, I think you're absolutely right.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
Like, it's such a long season, and I know my
dad is watching this game and he was really disappointed.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
And I get it.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
I thought the Patriots would be competitive in this game.
I thought they'd cover the six. But you can sometimes
get a little foolish. These first few weeks can be
fools gold. They were very competitive, really played two solid
teams Bengals and Seahawks, even for two weeks. But as
the season truly emerges, the real team start to show themselves.

(05:08):
And what I thought we saw tonight was, Okay, Aaron
Rodgers is going to be back back.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
You mentioned it.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
So the first couple of games he played well enough,
and in the second half of that Titans game, I
thought he made some electric throws on third down, some
tough throws. Garrett Wilson had one min not moving though, right,
not moving That's yeah. That's what I'm getting to too,
is that he wasn't moving around tonight.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
You mentioned it.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
Five for five on throws on the run, seven for
eight on passes under pressure, according to Next Gen Stats,
and these weren't all short passes. That was for seventy
eight yards. The throws on the run were for sixty. Now,
there was literally nothing down the field. He didn't try
a throw over twenty yards and there weren't that many
over ten. So they're still kind of building up what

(05:53):
this offense is gonna be. But he looked fantastic. Our
friend Nate Tice sent out a stat I don't know
what does he have, like a a main line to
the Next Gen Stats researchers or something, because he had
a stat that said that he's had the most sprints
he's had in a game since twenty eighteen, and they
defined sprint as running twelve miles an hour or more,

(06:16):
and that passed the eye test. He was kind of
running all over the place. He actually has taken a
number of big hits this year, which is a little
worries of if you're a Jets fan. He took a
few sacks but he looked good out there. He looked like,
if not old Aaron Rodgers, then at least thirty six
thirty seven year old Aarren Rodgers, who was still a
very effective one of the best quarterbacks in the league.

(06:37):
And you said it, Jets fans can feel about as
optimistic as they've been since. I don't even know when
was there ever a moment in like the Sam Darnold
era that even had a real optimism. I don't think
so so about optimistic right since they've signed Aaron Rodgers,
but in terms of an on field moment it's the
most optimistic they've been since they were in the playoffs

(06:59):
with Rex Ryan.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
I was gonna say maybe since Vinnie Testa Verdie or
maybe Chad Pennington year squeezed in there somewhere, but yeah, mean.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
They did trash Tom Brady, who was a one seed
in Foxborough, so it's tough to get n't wait, wait,
that was a pretty good I mean, first of all,
to answer why Aaron Rodgers didn't throw deep too high safeties.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
It's a plague that we must rule out football going forward.
I don't know if you heard that that's the new
big idea.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
Are you being serious right now, Yeah, because mel Kiper said,
we gotta we got to get rid of that. By
the way, I kind of check the next sensetat's number now,
I now I realize how you can check live and like,
neither of these teams were playing too high safety that
much in this game.

Speaker 5 (07:37):
For what?

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Who still look, who's still learning every day? He's getting
better everybody. That's a lesson for all of us out there.
If the boss can do it, we all can. Yeah,
Rogers didn't throw deep a ton, but I don't know
if you caught if you were looking at the game
at this time, I know you and your boy were
trying to drink in at least a little.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Bit of it.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
He's the whole game, what kind of no, no, no,
I know you're watching it, but I don't know if you're. Oh,
that's a penalty, so I don't need to pay attention.
But he uncorked the deep ball to Mike Williams early
on that got called back for holding.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
And Mike Williams didn't catch it in the end zone.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
It but it was I mean it was a laser
from about fifty yards out and it was and it
hit Williams in the hands, he kind of mistimed his
jump and it was a moot point anyway, because like
I said, it was a holding call. But man, from
that point on, it was like, oh my god, what
he's throwing on the run and he's delivering a ball
like that? Yeah, listen, I my cynicism with Rogers. It

(08:36):
has been owed to, Like we've talked about any number
of times now over the last gume. The evidence for
forty plus forty year old QBS plus is Tom Brady
at forty five winning the Super Bowl, Brett Favre in
that one great Viking season in which he was forty,
and Warren Moon had a good season for the Seahawks

(08:57):
when he was forty one.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
And that's it.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
That's all all the evidence that exists about human beings
over forty doing well at quarterback. So he's really bucking
a trend here. But I think, like you say, for
six quarters at least, now you have reason to get
excited if you're a Jets fan.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
A yes, and we're we're doing this live on YouTube.
We're going to try to do it every Thursday night,
So come come join us right after the game.

Speaker 6 (09:19):
You know.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
Now, I'm like, I almost feel like Al Michael's I'm
rooting for good games at the end so that we
can have a nice audience after because with this stinker
on the East Coast, I mean, I know Patriots fans
aren't watching this, and maybe Jets fans are, but it's
late there. Yeah, we have a viewer that says that
had to be the most satisfying win in the last
decade for the Jets.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
I agree. I also like that the very.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
First comment Dave Danischek on this stream was telling you
to bring back the n if L. Yes, if you're
a new fan of Dave Damashek, you got to check
out the Minus three, the great podcast he's doing. But yeah,
he's an old friend who helped get our around the
NFL podcast us off the ground and does great work.

(10:02):
And yes, had a great I wouldn't call it a
bit a series at the NFL, the nf IFL and
what if this wouldn't happen? Maybe we say what if
what if Rogers didn't tear his achilles last year?

Speaker 3 (10:15):
What of that season?

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Look for That's a very fun one, the one that
I have worked out legitimately for the two that are
fascinating to me and related to some degree to twenty
twenty four, but obviously Rogers is intriguing forever is going
back a couple of years. The twenty eighteen first round,

(10:39):
the Jacksonville Jaguars, high on their own twenty seventeen product, decided, hey,
we almost made the super Bowl with Blake Bortles. We
were able to hide him and dominate defensively. Let's run
it back. There was a guy named Lamar Jackson sitting
there that they could have drafted, but they said, no, no,
we have we have the formula. Look at what our

(11:00):
first round QB Blake Bortles was able to do. So
they turned their nose up at Lamar Jackson in favor
of It's a great trivia question. Do you know who
they drafted instead of Lamar Jackson the Jags in the
first round of twenty eighteen. It's a it's an immortal
name Haven Brian.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
I was gonna say Caylevon, Chase On or something, because
they had a bunch of first round bus over those series.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Yeah, that's that's a rough one.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
Uh. One of our viewers, Josh Lansky, says, Dave has
zero idea what jive actually means, which which makes me.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Love jive is Jive is a rangy word. You know,
it's one of our rangiest words in the English language
because you can jive talk somebody. But you know, you
can be a jive turkey. You know, there's a there's
a you can talk job. I mean, it's got a
lot of any.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
You know what it means. I'm with you.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
And yeah, when throwing it back to that Lamar Jackson
draft just for a second, there were a lot of
rumors that you know, Patriots were very high on Lamar Jackson.
Bill Belichick loves the idea of this running quarterback, Lamar Jackson,
and they had a chance to draft him at the
very end of that round, and instead they took Lawrence Maroney.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
No, almost Tony Michelle.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
They took Senny Michelle, wrong first round running back from
the Patriots. And you know what, Sony Michelle did have
the best four game stretch of his career in a
Super Bowl Championship run as a rookie, So you can't
say it was totally useless.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
But yes, I think you Dave loves his history. I
will always say that I will always stand up for
Sony Michelle and Patriots fans who wring their hands. We
should have taken Nick Chubb, and of course you should
have taken Nick Chubb, who was taken early in the
second round.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
I mean, you were out smarted by the Browns. Not great,
not great.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Let's suck Jets, let's talk, Okay, But Tony Michelle, I
will say, Jets fans, Tony Michelle is exactly right.

Speaker 5 (12:56):
You're right.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
But but I will say, Sony Michelle, I don't know
if the Patriots to win the super Bowl without Sony
Michelle's performance continue.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
No, I agree with you. I always, I always stood
by that.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
Sony Michelle, two time Super Bowl champion, also helped the
Rams out in a random career. All right, So the Jets,
like you're looking forward on their schedule, they got that
Vikings game in London, which is shaping up as a
really fun one and one of the reasons why I
do believe in this team as a playoff type of team.
Now that I've seen Rogers, I was on the fence

(13:27):
because I just wanted to see it. I didn't know
if he would come out looking like Kirk Cousins has
kind of looked so far. I just you just didn't
know you had I want to see it because of
what Dave said about the forty year old quarterbacks and
whether the offense would make sense. And now I feel
like I've seen enough that they're getting into gear and
a lot of the reason I have faith not just
because you mentioned the defense, because we'll see against better

(13:47):
opponents their pass rush. They really cooked up the Patriots
tonight with a good scheme where they blitzed like crazy,
going way against types. I think they said it was
almost a forty percent blitz rate, which is I believe
the high of the entire Robert sala Era and the
Patriots offensive line stinks. They are the worst offensive line
in the league. They were on their third string left

(14:08):
tackle by the end of the game. Their right tackle,
who they gave monster money to to play right guard
because he's one of the best right guards in the league,
and then they say we're just gonna leave him at
his good position a week before the season. They panic
and then they put him over at right tackle and
he's struggling at right tackle this year. That's a win,
you So it was just a mismatch. Good job by
the Jets. We'll see against better offensive competition they you know,

(14:29):
we'll see I'm not sure. But the reason I think
they got a chance to go far and at least
make the playoffs. I talked to my friend Matt Casey
tonight what would be a what are his hopes? He said,
give me a playoff win like that would be a
successful season. And I think they could do that because Dave,
they got some other weapons. Lazard looks like Pat Packers Lazard.
When it's Aaron Rodgers on the field, Presaw, we know

(14:51):
he's a good player. They've run the ball pretty well
last couple of weeks. But this kid, Braylan Allen, I
don't know how how big is he. Is he two
hundred and forty or something. He seems a moose right,
I think he is two forty. I'm not sure that
Bryce Hall is any better as just a pure running back.
He's a better player because he's so good in the

(15:11):
receiving game, and he's faster. He'll hit bigger plays. But
if you're telling me you're the games on the line
right now, I have almost seen enough with Braileen Allen,
and you need five yards, I might give the ball
to Brailon Allen. Both these guys are dynamite, and he's
looked really good the first three weeks. And you know,
I didn't know who he was two months ago. Really,
he was just a random late round draft pick. And

(15:33):
I think that's why you got to watch more college football.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
The boss. I know you're so.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
Call but I mean, I knew him, but I didn't
know when who's gonna pop, who's not gonna pop.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Well, don't forget too that that zero he wears is slimming.
If he wore a regular number, he would look even
heftier than he already does. It's a it's an optical
illusion that you see that o on him and you think, oh,
he see he's sort of a slender fell ainy. No,
he's he's a low to thunder and lightning and d Yeah.

(16:02):
I think the schedule makers, you know, the football gods,
sort of smiled on the Jets a little bit because
after that, you know, really miserable Week one matchup that
even that was kind of like, hey, Aaron Rodgers, here's
your homecoming to start the season. I think it sets
up for them to be in a real good, a
real good spot about a third of the way through
the season before things really get tougher for them. So,

(16:25):
you know, I don't think they're going to go undefeated
between here and say Week seven, eight, but you know
they should be in pretty good shape in the playoff chase,
at least if you're I don't think if you're the Jets, obviously.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
You're seeding the division at this point. To the Bills.
You know, it's funny to me.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
What you're saying. No, yeah, there's no way. Look, those
are two good teams. That's why I kind of enjoyed
it, and I just thinking, Okay, the Jets are going to
be part of this season. Those Jets Bills games will
be big, all the primetime games they have the Jets,
and it's like, Okay, they're going to be in the mix.
I don't know if they're going to be a three
seed or at eight, you know, seventeen, but they're going
to be in the mix.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
They're going be fun I will say that.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
So you say you don't know how much the Jets
pass rush Tonight carries over you know, the rest of
the season. I think what it really does. And I'm
not trying to be a creep to you. I think
through three weeks now, all of a sudden, the good
vibes around dumping the Bungles to start the season and
all of that. I think that's a distant memory because

(17:24):
that felt like the Jets figured out what has been
sort of empirically clear is that the Patriots O line
ain't good.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Like, just blitz them up real good. There's not gonna
be any answer.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
I feel like they're gonna it's not gonna be a
fun watch the rest of the way. But it's a
red shirt season, so it's Drake May and all that,
and if you see some positive signs, that may be
enough for you in twenty twenty four. But yeah, we're
in this funny place. And I always say watch out
for week three. That's where some results that seem completely

(17:56):
out of whack happen because we think we know way
more than we do right now.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
You get that sixty minutes of evidence.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
And then you think you know everything about everything, and
you're like, maybe the team they just destroyed stinks, maybe
the other team's are gonna be in the super Bowl,
and maybe you shouldn't be too down. Then you get
two weeks and now you really think you know, oh well,
they're two and oh over, they're oh and two. Now
they're solved. I think where the Bills are concerned. This
is a big one for me. I'm interested to see

(18:24):
what sort of shape the Bills are in for twenty
twenty four. I don't think all answers are settled. They're
young obviously in a lot of places too. But I
do think that there's some aside. You know, the two
games I circle, not that you asked, but I think
Detroit at Arizona, a lot of people are going to
react to that. A lot of people are gonna be
on the Cardinals because of the way they've looked earlier

(18:46):
this year.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Spoiler alert.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
I think the Lions are going to go in there
and beat them up and truck them a little bit.
But the Jags, all of a sudden, you know, it's
not a must win game for me, because they are
going to play the rest of the season almost certainly,
even if they lose it. But imagine that the Jags,
the Jags losing Buffalo and they're owing three and in
that division, which you thought like that maybe the competition

(19:08):
won't be that great. The Texans and the Jags will
battle it out, but I don't think it's it's not
there's no punchline in that division. And if they fall
oh and three. That's it for Trevor Lawrence. And then
it begs the question. You know, you could say that
quarterback is the one you should draft in this QB
class over that guy, and they're not always right about that,

(19:29):
and generally the scouts collectively come down on the right guy.
But I mean, in my lifetime, John Elway can't miss,
Peyton Manning, can't miss, Andrew Luck, can't miss Troy Aikman
was also one of those guys.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Can't miss. None of them missed. I miss skip Andrew
and Andrew Luck. Now Trevor Lawrence and Bryce Young, what
give scouting you know?

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Okay, let's hold on.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
First of all, Bryce seg was never in that category
in terms of in terms of I don't think so.
And then Trevor Lawrence, you're right, pretty much got that.
I personally never quite got there with Trevor Lawrence. Like
I came into this draft saying, since I've done this,
I think Caleb would be number two or number one,

(20:15):
depending on who you want to trust. And in terms
of like the consensus and what I think and what
everyone thinks into terms of the best QB prospects to
come out in the last twenty years, it would be
Luck and probably Caleb two.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
And you're right.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
For most people, it seems like it was maybe Lawrence three.
Never I never totally got there, and yeah, there might
be something missing, but you might be right. And this
is why I like having to check on the on
the recap. You never know what we're gonna end up
talking about. It's a twenty four to three game and
we're veering off into Jags territory. It's one week like
if the Jags pull off an upset in Buffalo, Buffalo

(20:52):
is my Super Bowl pick this year to win it all?
I just thought, sometimes it's the years you don't see coming.
And I feel like Josh Allen's at the perfect time
in his career with the perfect offensive line and in
the long run, I'm gonna trust them whether they lose
this week against the Jackson or not.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
You're right.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
Those and two teams I picked almost all the O
and two teams that had a reasonable chance to win
this week, to either win or to cover.

Speaker 7 (21:15):
To see too.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
By the way, I was big on the Falcons based
on the math I'm talking about, Like, yes, ah, the
Falcons overrated. Kirk Cousins cooked like they just played a
great defense down there. That is that approaches every game
with the intent of winning. At twelve to eleven, don't
overreact to what the Falcons looked like in Week one.
They're gonna beat the Eagles up there, and so they did,

(21:36):
and they're gonna beat the Chiefs again too.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
I could see that.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
I don't I don't think it will happen, but the
Chiefs haven't really been the Chiefs so far. Eighteenth and
DV away a little weird. Let's take a pin in
it right there. We're gonna take a quick break and
we'll be back to talk a little more Jets Patriots
after this. Okay, So thinking about this game tonight too, Like, look,

(22:03):
it's also one game. This was a Thursday night game
on the road, short week. Patriots are a limited team,
like they I think teams play to their level and
over the long run, and I think they had a
great game plan. Week one showed that they could be
really cohesive and smart on defense. They have a lot
of tough, smart players that have been there a long time.
They're kind of greater than the some of their parts.

(22:24):
They do a lot of confusing things that can mess
up quarterbacks but not quarterbacks like Aaron Rodgers. Week two,
they play the Seahawks pretty much to a standstill. I
thought looked like an even team to me. Those were
like two A minus games from a team, and no
matter what team you are, you're probably not going to
play three straight of those. And so you got like
the D the D D minus game out of them tonight,

(22:46):
and that averages out to what they really are. They're
somewhere in between. They're not as good as they were
the first two weeks. I think some weeks they'll have
good game plans on defense, and they have enough defensive
players if they can stay healthy enough that they'll create problems.
The offensive line, though, is so bad that most weeks
with this schedule, it's going to be an uphill battle.

(23:08):
So they had a couple injuries tonight too. Keon White
left this game at one point. Anthony Jennings, who's a
good linebacker for them, left this game at one point.
Jabrill Peppers left this game. Keon White, who had a
bunch of quick pressures in this game, has been their
best player I would say on defense overall. Him and
Christian Gonzales, like if they're missing their premier players, Christian

(23:28):
Barmer's at blood clots like, it's not going to be pretty.
They're not that good on defense. They can give up
four hundred yards to a team like the Jets, and
they did, and then suddenly you're one of the worst
teams in the NFL because you have no passing game whatsoever.
And that's the team they were tonight, So it's gonna
be You're right. The feel good story that they had

(23:53):
I think is especially disappointing defensively because I don't know
if you like to watch the Prime Vision, Dave, but
my boy Walker loves the Prime loves the numbers, loves
the view, loves the names are on the screen. And
when you're watching on the Prime Vision, you can just
see how, like Aaron Rodgers, he's calling those plays out there,
he knows what the Patriots are doing before they're doing it.

(24:14):
He's changing it. If it's Man, he knows who it's
going to. If it Zony, knows who it's going to.
And when it was Man, there were three guys open
every play, I was like, oh, why didn't he throw
to him? Oh within this seventeen yards him, why didn't
he throw to him? And he knew it like they
didn't know what they were doing, and when it was
man he would just throw it to Garrett Wilson and
it didn't work actually that efficiently. I think Garrett Wilson

(24:36):
had nine targets and he had the great touchdown, but
only thirty something yards. He's been a little slow, but
I think that's because he's playing against one of the
better cornerbacks in the league.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
I think Kristin.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
Gonzalez is that good. He's a special young player. But
other than that, they don't have much. It's gonna be
a long season. I thought Drake May was going to
come into this game and make me feel better.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
But you don't want him in the game, do you.
You don't want him to.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Get be taken. I am want him. I don't care.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
I guess I'm someone that's just like this. I don't
care about this team until he plays. Really, it's like
I just want to see He's the only to me.
I'm kind of happy because they have a quarterback, Like
I think he's gonna be great in the long run,
So he's the only thing I care about in this team,
and that the coach maybe is good long term, so
I would just just play him I don't care if

(25:21):
it goes poorly.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
How much point poorly is it gonna go?

Speaker 2 (25:24):
I listen, you can make yourself crazy watching pro football.
You can spook yourself at the end of every play.
It feels like maybe I've just watched too much football
over the years, But you can kind of talk yourself
into every collision being like, I hope that's not a
season ender for this guy. And that's what I'm talking about.

(25:44):
But it's it's heightened with Rogers given the way he
went out at the start of last season. But the
combustibility now extends beyond just you know, his age and
everything and the way he plays, or at least he
always has played, and it looks like, based on tonight,
that's why he's gonna play. The two things that stand
out to me, it was in an anomalous performance. As

(26:05):
everybody's been talking about, there's not much offense in pro
football so far this season outside of Kyler Murray, you know,
against the Rams, and then they shootout with the Bills
in Week one and.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
Didos looked pretty good.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
I mean, yeah, there's there's some exit, but for the
most part, the defense is winning, which is not something
that's the thing that kind of stands out. Usually offenses
win the first half of an NFL season, then the
defenses rise up. They're ahead of schedule. Are these defenses
dominating teams here? So so that's something to watch. But
the other one is, like I say, with the combustibility

(26:41):
of it is, and I'm not I'm.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Not being a hater or anything. Some people get this.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
They get themselves into a position where that if you
insult them, they have people who jump back on you.
You hate him so much, I'm not hating Aaron Rodgers
to point this out, that shove with with Bob Sala was.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
A little Yes, wasn't it?

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Wasn't that a little word?

Speaker 3 (26:59):
I'm glad you brought this up.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
If you guys want to check out the YouTube show
where they're like subscribe.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
If not, we're just going to talk about it. But
but play.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
Eric behind the Glass has the video of it, and yes,
it was Salah looking for a hug, but Rogers putting
his two hands on Sala's chest and then saying something
very sharp and giving him a sharp glare that uh,
I don't know what's going I mean, he gave him
a literal shove his head. Coach and the whole I thought.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
I thought even worse was if I glared at you
you like that, you would be in any situation, you'd
be like, what the hell, man, what's wrong?

Speaker 1 (27:39):
What do you want to you want to go?

Speaker 8 (27:41):
Like?

Speaker 1 (27:41):
I mean, why why are you looking at me like that?

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Holding the glare as he walks away, like who do
you think we are? We're platonic friends, man, We're not
like that. I don't see you like that. Bob, like
what that was super weird and emasculating for the head coach,
and this is at least now what the second time
that publicly the Rogers just kind of showing up his
head coach like yeah, I'm going to Egypt, it's more

(28:03):
important to me. And then Bob Salah has to clean
up the mess like we talked about it, but he's
just suspended. It's just it's not it's not optimal. I
wouldn't think.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Right, no, And I thought, you know, Ryan Fitzpatrick on
the halftime show for Amazon made a comment about it,
just like I'm sure Mike McCarthy is watching this and
Lafloor and they're just like, yeah, that kind of seems
like like familiar, old competitive Rogers, just like he's at
a foot in his home right. I mean, he's at

(28:33):
a point in his life where he picked the coordinator
and he's he's got the offense that he's want. He's
calling the plays and I don't know what that was about,
and they'll chalk it up, I'm sure to it's it's
in the heat of the moment, and I don't know.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
It's just strange.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Can you imagine any other I can't imagine many other
starting quarterbacks doing that to their head coach in a
big spot.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Well, I can see coaches doing it and quarterbacks getting
into a rift.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
You know.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
It's We've seen stuff like that happen in football or
the big baseball star in the dugout with the skipper. Otherwise,
when you don't see it is after your team scores
a touchdown. That's what's weird about it. It's sort of,
as I tweeted, it really is sort of like an
inversion of Ali's thing, we not me is like it

(29:25):
really is like no, no, me not.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
We don't.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Let's not get this twisted, Bob Soala. If the Jets
go anywhere this year, I'm the guy. You're just a
passenger along for the ride. You You and Douglas screwed
up that whole thing with Reddick and I'm trying to
overcome this.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
By the way, that's a weird spot too.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Both of those guys have to put up with any
of it because they know that Rogers is either going
to save their job or they're gonna get kicked out
the door.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
Okay, So one of our our viewers, Rick Shelton said,
lip readers thought he said too early, which kind of
makes sense, like that Salah was like over celebrating and yeah,
Shelton also points, but the glare is wow. So it's
a it is a strange reaction, but that is a
that makes sense to me. It's just like, all right,
let's calm down, Bob, it's the second quarter here in

(30:16):
week three.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Uh, let's listen to Robert Salah.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
I believe we actually have sound of Robert Salah talking
about it after the game.

Speaker 5 (30:24):
What happened in the second quarter looked like you went
up and tried to give Aaron Rodgers a hug there.
Yeah he uh. You know, part of the things that
we've been talking about is to just get the defense
a two score lead, and it was two score leads,
So I guess it was he just wanted to see
something on defense.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
So hmmm, he wasn't ready for that question. That was
so nervous.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
There is some pro football team he has to put
up with this. He has to be emasculated like this.

Speaker 7 (30:58):
Shame the devil.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
I love it all right.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
The Jets get to two and one and they're feeling great,
and yeah, you mentioned Morgan Moses will see it was
announced as a knee injury. I didn't even mention when
I was seeing the offensive weapons. They really liked Tyler Conklin.
He had a big night at tight end. He was
their leading receiver by far. So just the secondary was awesome.
I mean, you can put these guys in man coverage
against receivers like the Pageots, They're just gonna shut them down.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
An awesome night for the Jets.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
I think they kind of announced they are going to
be a big part of this twenty twenty four season
if we didn't believe it before. Before I say goodbye
to you, check, let's have the comment Chris Green says,
Dave Steelers are gonna get cooked on Sunday. I gotta
say this was maybe the toughest game for me to
pick of the weekend Chargers Steelers kind of mirror images,

(31:46):
except the Steelers can't actually run the ball at all
and the Chargers can't and one has Justin Herbert and
the other is Justin Fields. I know Herbert's a little
banged up. You know which Justin would you rather have some?
I'm leaning Chargers. And yet this, this this Steelers team
is pretty frisky. They very well might have the best
defense in the entire NFL, and in this year. Maybe

(32:07):
that's actually a recipe if your offense is okay to
get like a four seed or something win a division
like it's possible if they're that good. To me, that's
their only route to being that good is the defense
has to be the best one Tomlin's had in a
decade or so.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Funny, you say that pretty close to what I was
saying for the last couple of months. I predicted and
got a little bit of pushback from some of my
pals beat guys with the Steelers, but floated the idea
that I think that this is Tomlin I think got
a little over his skis on more than one occasion
going into a season with where the defense was and

(32:44):
how much he could ride it over the course of
a season.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
I think this is it.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
This is the best defense they've had since twenty seventeen,
which is really saying something since Shazier went down. I
don't really see a flaw out there. If they can
hold up at the second corner.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
That was maybe Patrick Queen's been bad through two weeks.
He seems like a problem. They give him him a
lot of money that the linebackers. We'll see, But you're right,
the rest of the team's dynamite not to butt in
and give you.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
I think they have enough. I do think that they
have a fail safe.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
A Landed Roberts isn't a guy who could be every
down out there, but they you know, they have pieces
on the interior that make them better at least than
where they've been in the.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Last half decade or so.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
The thing that people said is a hot take for
me is I still think TJ. Watt is one of
the five best non quarterbacks in the league. A Jenga piece,
if there is one Jenga theory of courses, if you
remove the wrong piece from the equation, the whole thing
will implode on you. Got to have you, by the way,
I got to have you on my show so we
can do that. I want to go through the Jenga
pieces as they stay with it's a satisfying conversation.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
I always feel TJ.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Watt may be that one of the five best non
qbs in the league, most impactful, but I think the
Jenga piece for the Steelers this year is Joey Porter
because if he goes down, they're doomed. I think they're
better equipped to survive TJ. Watsonting down for three or
four weeks than they are JPJ. And look at that,
you know I've been proven right at least through two weeks.

(34:12):
He erased Drake London and then did the same to
Courtland Sutton last week, and I think a lot of
people again, like I was saying, people reacted to boy,
this Falcons offense isn't as good as we thought it was. Well,
Drake London was a zero in peak one because Joey
Porter Junior eliminated him. So by that logic, if he
is on Quintin Johnson, which he's going to be, and

(34:34):
he eliminates him, where exactly is justin Herbert going with
the ball? Lad McConkie is nice but he's a rookie,
so I think that's a factor. And the thing with
the Steelers is, and the debate has rolled on since
literally thirty two seconds after the Steelers got Russell Wilson,
and then a couple of days later the debates.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
I mean, the guy can't even get healthy. What's the point,
are you kidding?

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Oh no, no, no, oh no, no, it's the other way.
The collective wisdom from the banks of the Three Rivers,
the people watching practice every day, is oh no, it's
going to be Russ eventually. I hope that's not the case.
I don't think that's the smart play.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
But the bottom line, I.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
Didn't even get on the field.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
He came back up too the field, and he lasted
two practices before he like reaggravated it. Meanwhile, Justin Fields
is out there doing making winning plays. It's over two things.
Russell Wilson people.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
I think so too.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
But you know, I think we are going to see
him because, as I've told you before, I think Mike
Tomlin is one of the three or four best coaches
in pro football. I also think he's able to achieve
that status despite not being a QB whisper. How many
guys who are at the high end of the key
of the head coaching ranks that really don't manage quarterbacks. Well,

(35:45):
he got off pretty easy because he had Rothlisberger for
such a long stretch, But since then it's really been
sideways more than one time.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
I think the debate with.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Justin Fields, my question is ongoing with anybody who says
it's got to be Russ, Like, what is it from
Russ that you think he does so well that offsets
what Justin Fields does that Russ can't do he has.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
I don't want to have a Russ Wilson at say
I say I will.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
No, no, no, twenty seven more minutes, then we're done.
The thing that people keep trying to talk the way
around is Justin Fields, Russell Wilson or Greg Rosenthal. How
are you gonna throw the ball to somebody when you
have a collection of pass catchers, none of whom can separate.
Not a one of them out there can create any separation.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
So what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (36:35):
I mean like that you're gonna have a very hard
time on third and six. Is if you don't have
Deontay Johnson, who was always open, or someone like that,
maybe it'll be Roman Wilson if he gets out there,
but again, he's a rookie. I'm gonna take the Steelers narrowly.
Here home debut all of that.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
I'm taking the Chargers if Herbert's healthy enough to play,
I assume he'll be okay.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Eleven thousand dollars on eleven dollars.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
Right, I am not allowed to do anything of the
sort as the kid, one of our kids. No, you
can't do it through them either. It's been it's been
a thin slice of heaven there here. Dave will wrap
this up with one more comment from the YouTube commentary
as a Vikings fan. This is from Aldell Berry's I

(37:23):
like Rogers so much now that he doesn't play for
the Packers. Yeah, I heard a stat, and I gotta say,
I don't like Rogers, you know, the character, but I
do like watching him play football, and I like him
in the mix. He adds a fun even if it's
a little villainous. It's fun having him back in the
mix this This game is built by their quarterbacks and

(37:45):
we need more good ones.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
So I was happy to see him out there. I
agree with that.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Yeah, I saw a stat that the the Patriots had won.
I believe twenty out of twenty three again or twenty
three out of twenty six against the Jets. The only
team that had that big of a run in the
last like two decades was Packers and Bears, with Aaron
Rodgers beating up on the Bears that whole time.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
And now here he is cool.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
He is very fun with those side arm throws that
he makes from down here. He is a distinctive to
your eye. If you shot him in silhouette, it would
only be him. You couldn't confuse him with anybody else
because the nature with which he you know, twenty ten,
I'd said that best quarterback I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Many Well, I was.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
Gonna say, I still think at his peak twenty ten
and then what was the other mid.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Twenty eleven and twenty fourteen, twenty eleven too high.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Twenty years.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
Yeah, the twenty fourteen and the twenty ten to like
Mahomes is there is right there for me.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
It's hard for me to separate.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
But to me, that was the peak of quarterbacking that
that I've seen. I wouldn't say he's had as good
a career obviously as Brady, and I think Mahomes is already,
you know, having the best career ever, but just in
terms of just pure brilliant peak play, and he's doing everything.
It's his offense, his scheme, and he's doing it again.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
And I'm extending it further now a couple more I
have to throw out. Peyton Manning always gets a shout
out for the one year he had in Denver. I
think it was his second year there was, or maybe
it was his first one statistically at least. The one
who doesn't get the shout out is the fifteen and
one MVP throwing the ball to Philly Brown and otherwise
Cam Newton. That was a special year that was wild,

(39:29):
given how he performed over his underrated the majority of
his underrated career, although he may now be back. And
the other one, because I'm older than you, that I
have to mention is Dan Marino in eighty four.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
That's the standard.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
That was a different time when the rules did not
favor offense, and it was just trust me on this
week in and week out. When you were watching it,
it felt like, the hell is this well, he's four
or five touchdowns every week. There's a Dan Fouts move over, man,
this guy, this cat's where it's at with the perm
and I would tell everybody, Oh, listen, we know all

(40:01):
about this in Pittsburgh, PA.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Dandy Marine.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Now, Uh yeah, it's statistically.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
I always said like he would be the only comp
that Patrick Mahomes has ever had for the start of
his career.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Yeah, it was Dan Marine. I think you got to
throw in Kem Case Keenum's Vikings. Hear two. That's that's
in the mix.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Thank thank you for that one.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
Yes, but uh, let's wrap it up. We're gonna throw
it to a break. I appreciate you, Dave, I appreciate
everyone who joined us. This isn't actually the end of
our show. The Saints are the team of the week,
the team of the season so far. So I wanted
to have a fun conversation, uh with some friends of
mine who do the Saints Block Party podcast. So after

(40:40):
the break, we're gonna hear from them. Also, you know,
if you're into the Saints, we get a podcast Off
the Edge with Cam Jordan at NFL Media. He's a
great podcast though, so check that out too. We'll take
a quick break. We'll be back after Dave. All right,

(41:10):
we are back on NFL Daily. The last segment of
the week is going to be my absolute favorite one.
Having these guys on for the first time. Adam and
Ryan from the Saints Block Party podcast. They said it
couldn't happen you on NFL Media.

Speaker 5 (41:28):
Let's go, let's go here.

Speaker 7 (41:33):
We are here, we are Thank you for having us on.

Speaker 5 (41:35):
Greg.

Speaker 8 (41:36):
This is by far like the most boogiest podcast we've
been on. A guy at my door just knocked and
just offered me rose. His name was to your door.
There's a congierra service in our ear right now.

Speaker 5 (41:49):
We don't know where. We don't know where we are.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
Okay, let's be real. The Saints Block Party podcast, but
getting it done. For years, it used to be the
Saints Twitter podcast. I've talked about it a lot on
our show, on Around the NFL and on NFL Daily
over the years.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
You guys crack me up.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
You have the best analysis from a fan perspective out there,
so people should check it out. But we had you
on this week because it's a little different week in
Saint's fandom. It's a little different week. So let's just
take you back to three weeks ago. Okay, three weeks
ago listening to your podcast. I don't know if you
were still throwing out the hashtag fire Dennis Allen that

(42:25):
you had going last year. But if we weren't too
far from that, you guys are predicting like seven to
eight wins for the season. You were definitely pretty down
on Derek Carr hashtag the agenda talking about maybe Spencer
Radler ends up playing this year, and you're excited to
see them. And then I'm listening to your recap show
as I do from the last win over the Cowboys,

(42:48):
and I'm hearing the.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
Number one offensive line in the league.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
I'm hearing can we start talking about super Bowl?

Speaker 3 (42:57):
I'll break out my Adam impression here. It's like, can
we start talking about the Super Bowl?

Speaker 6 (43:01):
Here?

Speaker 8 (43:01):
Ryan?

Speaker 3 (43:01):
You know that's my Adam impression.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
And I'm like, i gotta get these dudes on the
podcast because I've never seen a fan base flipped so
fast into just believing everything. I'll start with you, Ryan,
like what happened here? And do we is it almost
like apology time here for Dennis out and Derek Carr?

Speaker 5 (43:20):
Hey, it might be, it might be.

Speaker 9 (43:22):
I mean, listen, all we asked from the very beginning
was to show me, show me we heard all the
talk they said all the right things, but we had
to see evidence. All we could do is work off
the data that we are presented with. And look, first
two weeks, Dave showed us and Saints fans are just
dying for some good football, good fun football that they

(43:44):
could sit there on a Sunday. Greg, you've been in
New Orleans. You know how lit the city is when
the Saints are winning and having a good time. That's
all we wanted and we're getting it right now.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Yeah, what like that surprised you the most.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
You were the one, Adam that through out there the
number one offensive line in the league, and that was
where I was like, Okay, these guys are going a
little crazy. You were at you were at Chile's like
drinking margaritas or something after the game taping. Yeah, that's
dedication to the podcast. So maybe that's a little that's
getting over our skis.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
A little bit.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
The number one offensive line in the league after two weeks,
But like, what what has you believe in?

Speaker 8 (44:22):
So I think Ryan and Ryan has said it perfectly
that this offense is you know, the Mic McDaniels first
season in Miami kind of took every defense by surprise.
It was kind of I want to say, gimmicky. But
the thing that gives us confidence that this could be
sustaining for the SAS team is that the offensive line
is dominating and winning at the point of attack. If

(44:45):
you just take away all the ghost motion, all that
things that Clint Kuback is doing. This team is bullying teams,
and Clint Kubiak is he knows the weakness of this
offensive line. For Penning, you can't ask for Pinning, who
was aligned for for seasons, to just hold up in
pass protection time and time again, and snap after snap. Fuaga,
who's played great at left tackle. He's still a rookie,

(45:07):
so he has made it where they don't have to
hold up very long in pass protection. He's assinuating their
strength of the offensive line. This is a very very
athletic offensive line, and they're in space, they're moving and
maybe it was a little bit of hiperb believe, but
if you just go and just watch the film, these
the offensive line and Lucas Patrick a revelation from the Bears.

(45:29):
He seems like they could probably use him right now.
Had just come in at left guard and is just
bullying people on the interior. So they're just playing bully ball,
which when you're a defense and you're getting pushed back,
that's hard for any defense to stop. And that's one
thing that's a huge strength for the team that we
did not see coming into the season.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
Yeah, but like they're gonna have to drop back and
pass and pass protect yep. At some point they can't
just do this whole time. But I'm with you, like
you look at the strength of the team Fuaga. People
then think it was going to be a left tackle
and I know we're talking line right off the bat,
but that to me has been the story. And then
you got McCoy and Caesar Ruiz. Like you guys have
had your ups and downs. That's why I like listen
to your show. It's like I'm getting the inside scoop

(46:10):
on the Caesar Ruiz career arc And you've been pretty
down on Sezar Ruiz at some points, but he ends
up getting paid Ryan. And then these dudes are just
out there mashing people. And this week you got the
Eagles who haven't been able to stop anyone on the ground,
Like maybe they won't have to drop back and pass
this week against the easy Eagles. When you got McCoy

(46:31):
and Ruiz just blowing holes open.

Speaker 9 (46:34):
Yeah, I mean we'll see. I mean what the Eagles
are allowing? What about six point four yard's per carry.
I mean I would be looking my chops if I'm
Klink kobiek if I'm the offensive line.

Speaker 5 (46:45):
But like you said, I mean it's the NFL. Man.

Speaker 9 (46:48):
We only look at the games, you know, the last
two games, but things change so quickly. But what gives
me confidence with this team is has been the execution.
Like just it's just hat on a hat, blocking and
trying to dominate the guy in front of you. Even
Chris Olave, Juwan Johnson, those guys are out there blocking
their butts off.

Speaker 5 (47:09):
So that's what gives me confidence.

Speaker 9 (47:11):
But like you said, they will reach a point at
some point, maybe the defense gives up some points earlier
something like that where they're gonna have to drop back
and pass. They're gonna have to see how Derek Carr does,
how the offensive line does, our Trevor Bidding does when
you have to, you know, take a seven step drop
and you know, hit your target downfield, and it's gonna
be interesting. I just can't wait to see because we're

(47:31):
learning new things week to week.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
But but you guys think when when Derek Carr hit
that Michael Jackson moved, was that the moment you thought, Okay,
maybe we can't go to the super Bowl?

Speaker 7 (47:48):
I was so I was at the game. I think
for me it was the.

Speaker 8 (47:52):
It was the she maybe the Shahet player or the
AK screen that like sprung for a touchdown, because like
I was in at and T Stadium, I'm like, what
is even going on right now? Like it felt like
a like a fever dream. But I want to add
this point, and I want to give credit to Ryan
because he was the one who had been advocating for
this as soon as Clint Kubiak got hired. Is the

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utilization of Taysom Hill in the Kyle Uscheck role in
this offense. And I think what you're seeing is shout
out to Matt Patricia, who doesn't even look like Matt
Patricia anymore. And we know who that guy was that
talked on that Coaches podcast with Bill Belichick and Lombardi,
but he made this style.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
He looks like not an extra on the Sopranos, but
like the six the sixth dude at the table who
just gets like two good lines.

Speaker 8 (48:36):
But I don't know who that is. Don't tell me
that's Matt Patricia, that's not him. But he made this
great point of teams don't really know defensive teams because
they don't practice it in training camp. They don't really
know how to defend twenty one personnel anymore. And something
that Kubiak is doing is when Taysom Hill's on the field,
I don't know if defenses know what that identify him as,

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and they don't know what the personnel is if he's
a tight end, is it is it?

Speaker 7 (49:02):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (49:02):
Or?

Speaker 7 (49:02):
Sorry?

Speaker 5 (49:02):
Is it twelve? Is it twenty one?

Speaker 8 (49:04):
So it's baking the offense very multiple and it's making
the defense not know how to identify what may be
coming at them.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
Right, And uh, like, where are you at Ryan with
Derek Carr?

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Now, look, look I've been there.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
We had to have him on around the NFL back
in the day for him to unblock me.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
So I've had Arek Carr upset about at me too?

Speaker 4 (49:27):
And there is something about this Kubiak system where he's
not making as many decisions.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
I heard this you know story of Yep.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
It's like some people like a Tom Brady might think, oh,
that's not real quarterbacking, but maybe not everyone can be
Tom Brady. Not everyone can do the real quarterback and
you must you must be loving life seeing this Kubiak offense,
not asking car to do too too much, but when
he's asked to make big time throws, he is making
those big time throws right now.

Speaker 9 (49:54):
Right Because when he was brought in, it was kind
of sold as, hey, he's gonna come in, he's gonna
be calling all the protections and diagnosing the defense.

Speaker 5 (50:01):
At the line of scrimage, and blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 9 (50:03):
We saw like, yes, he was with Pete Carmichael, but
we saw he struggled with that last year. They obviously
made the choice to real things back for him. Most
of the work is done by Clint Kubiak and the
coaching staff before the snap, where all he has to
do is go out there, go out there, execute the
progressions and hit the throat, and he's playing more confidence,

(50:25):
with more confidence, and that way, you know, even on
the deeper throws, which we know there's a lot of
talk about his aggressiveness, but when he's able to just
go and execute, he's able to go out and do
it confidently without getting happy feed patting the ball like
we've seen it in the past. So I like, I
like this, Derek Carr, I'm with it. I'm rolling week
the week, man, I'm not. Look, I'm rolling week the

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week and we'll see where it goes.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Go ahead, you're making so many faces out him.

Speaker 8 (50:52):
Just hear what No, So my thing is even like
a Derek Carr point. I think mine is just like
I think, the fundamental point in this offense, and we
were talking about this even before Clint Kobiat came, but
especially when he came, is that you can't tell me,
potentially that the same impact that Kyle Shanahan had on

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Christian McCaffrey's career when he got traded from the Panthers
to the forty nine ers, you can't tell us that
something similar couldn't happen for AK in a similar system.
And lo and behold, two weeks into the season, that
same type of career renaissance that Christian McCaffrey had with
the Niners, AK is having with the Saints. But he
just happens to be on the same team, something that

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we're both excited about and hopefully potentially it could happen
if he exists and he can get healthy. Is the
addition underrated of what Kendre Miller could actually be in
this offense.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
Okay, y'all overrate the potential impact of Kendre Miller because
on your show you were like, hey, Ryan, you were
saying this that I'm like, are we thinking about it,
you know, possibly making the super Bowl here?

Speaker 8 (52:02):
Now?

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Do we got a chance?

Speaker 4 (52:02):
And Ryan's answer was like, if we get Kendre Miller
back healthy, I'm like this, dude, if you're you're just
hoping he's such a like a backup running back and
average back, like you guys are crazy.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Like I'm telling you he's not that big of a deal.

Speaker 9 (52:16):
You say that now, but you're going to see because
just just the addition of another physical running back that
you could in juice but more juice.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
Got Jamal Williams getting five yards per carry a listen exactly,
Jamal Williams is getting five yards to carry?

Speaker 9 (52:32):
Like what is going on in this world? And look,
I know you got to feel good because I remember
you getting dumped on. I think you guys did like
a top ten running backs in the league, and you
threw you threw like Elvicamaron.

Speaker 5 (52:43):
There and they're just talking on you. I'm like, I
felt bad for my guy.

Speaker 9 (52:46):
I was like, you know, Greg is right, man, Evcamara
is still good because it's still passed the eye test.
All he just needed was an offensive line to actually
black for him in a scheme and a play call
it to actually put him in position.

Speaker 5 (52:58):
And they're doing it right now.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
This is crazy because yeah, you're right.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
I think you're talking about that running back draft that
took him last year and then this year. I've been
saying it too. So you have your agenda which has
been put on hold, which is about Spencer Ratler getting
some playing time at some point. My agenda for years
has been, yeah, Ak is better than the numbers show
that they're letting him down.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
He's my favorite type of runner.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
I think he's a we'll see, he needs to have
a couple of big years, but he's gonna have a
Hall of Fame case someday because these running back numbers
they're just not the same as they used to be.
But when I look at the last seven eight years
and I put who's been among the top three to
five at his position, it's Ak, and those guys make
the Hall of Fame and I was waiting because he's

(53:39):
like Frank Ord to me, where he's just so good
on the mental side of things. He's so good turning
three into eight, and he's so good in the passing game,
and he can do everything that you want. But when
you're turning negative one into three or you're turning one
into four, then the numbers don't don't look good. And yeah,
he's not gonna break the huge plays, although he did

(54:03):
on Sunday when you were there in the stadium, Adam
on the reception. But he's gonna hit more like fifteen
yard games twenty you know, ten fifteen twenty yard games
rather than being a true burner. But it's been it's
been a great year for my agenda. And you guys
talk about his future. He's a free agent that'll be
interesting to watch. But man, if they can keep Kubiak,

(54:23):
he could have this career renaissance. The problem is, if
I'm a k I maybe wait till twenty twenty five.
I probably see in Gary Kubiak on I mean not
Gary Kubak, Clink Kubiak on some other sideline.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
I would just follow him wherever he will.

Speaker 5 (54:35):
Well, we just we're not even thinking about it.

Speaker 9 (54:37):
We just thinking about twenty twenty four to see where
this takes is because.

Speaker 4 (54:41):
I was gonna say, is that because this seems so weird?
Is that Adam Well, it's too early to even get
into that. We're we're in like mid September, right they
even think about like this, this could be like a
one year bottle in time where you it's this older
team to Mario Davis is older, Tyron Matthews older obviously,
and maybe your coordinator is that gonna be there next

(55:02):
to your car, like is having this magical year. It's
a very much like living the moment, living the now
type of year.

Speaker 9 (55:07):
Think about like with Shanahan went to the Falcons. He
had those two years with the Falcons, went to the
super Bowl the second year, not saying that's what we're
gonna do, but I'm just saying it was that one
year of where everything was working, the offense was great,
and then he went on to greate the passes.

Speaker 5 (55:22):
It might be something like that. We'll see.

Speaker 8 (55:24):
I think this team right now has really re emphasized
a point that you made way back in the day
on the Round the NFL podcast. I think a lot
of fans need to kind of heed is that every
season you said, every season there's only one team that
wins the Super Bowl, and sometimes just an exciting season
for a team, even if they don't make it all

(55:45):
the way can be so incredibly rewarding and entertaining and
how to just enjoy that. So I have no idea
what the end goal or end game of this team
is gonna be. But it's just so like surprising out
of nowhere that as a fan just really enjoying and
relation in it.

Speaker 5 (56:04):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
Plus it's good for business.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
You got You're gonna have more people like listening in
on your life stings and stuff.

Speaker 9 (56:11):
Yeah, we started a podcast like right after right when
you know, the Thebais and Drew Brees and Cham Payton retiring,
and it was just there's some tough times. So we're
enjoying this right now.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
Wait, Adam you, how are you guys feeling about Seohn
Payton struggling so much in Denver?

Speaker 5 (56:28):
Like?

Speaker 3 (56:28):
What is what is your honest opinion?

Speaker 8 (56:34):
I'm worried about me, bro, Like, honestly, I'm hate hate
I made listen. I I don't really have an opinion
on it because I'm just so focusing on on what.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
What are you a politician?

Speaker 4 (56:48):
I mean, give me give feeling you got to put
Carmichael over there. You're probably liking that they look they
look like jumps.

Speaker 8 (56:55):
The starting quarterback for the Sames is Derek Carr. Like
I've picked up on how to how to answer? Are
some things right? It's like very very diplomatically like, but
that's that's my I don't have any like Ryan, do
you have an opinion?

Speaker 5 (57:10):
Like do you really care? Like I mean, I just
I think I think it'll work out.

Speaker 9 (57:14):
I don't know how well it'll work out, but like
it's gonna take some time, man, but it is interesting.

Speaker 5 (57:20):
I don't hate like chump paying like a lot of
Saints fans.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Why should you look what he gave me?

Speaker 9 (57:25):
But yeah, but you know, when they come to the
Dome in a couple of weeks, I'm hoping Koobie I
put that thing on them.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
That is a fun, fun matchup like this Saints.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
You're always just looking for value adds, like when you
lose a quarterback, like like Tua is not going to
be in the lineup for a long time. He's uninjured reserve.
We'll see if he comes back. It's like that's a
bummer because you just lose fun from out of my Sundays.
When I'm watching that Seattle Miami game Sunday, it's just
like man. And so the best thing that can happen
is when you add these surprise teams out of nowhere

(57:58):
and it's like, well, Saints Eaguals.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Is now my game.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
I want to watch more than any game on Sunday.
It's not just because I like watching the Saints. You
were saying, like, I know what it's like for New
Orleans to be lit for the Saints.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
I mean kinda.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
I was there, you know, going to every game when
it was Aaron Brooks and stuff and they were into it.
But I did go to the opener the year after
they won the Super Bowl, and that was absolutely crazy
in New Orleans. Like a couple of days that was
like like a super Bowl. And that was Week one.
It was against the Packers, and that was for days.
It was like the Super Bowl was like Marty Gauss

(58:29):
And yeah, no team I think is as tight with
their their fans as that.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Now that we've.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
Raised I don't want to get into expectations because I
appreciate what you said, Adam about just enjoying it, and
that's what fandom should be, like, just enjoy the ride.
It really sticks with me that so many of my
Celtics fans that I see around there and I'm that's
probably the team I care about most in the world now,
they didn't even enjoy last season as it was happening.
I was like, this team's gonna win that I think

(58:57):
they're gonna win, and if they didn't even enjoy it,
they're just complaining about little things, and it's like, man,
just enjoy it. Then at the end when they win,
they enjoy, like enjoy the right and what is your
I know you don't want to get ahead of yourself,
but just kind of like, what's what's success now for
this team? Like at this point, they've shown enough to
me that like, man, if they somehow didn't make the playoffs,

(59:17):
like that would be disappointed. We'll see what Tampa Bay's
record is going to be. Maybe it might take eleven
to twelve wins to win this division. We don't really know,
but what what kind of what? What's what do you want?
What's a successful season now?

Speaker 8 (59:28):
I think like realistically a playoff win, like okay, in
the playoffs, maybe kind of like I think going back
to the Bucks, that that Buck season last year where
they won an NFC South they beat the Eagles, who
was faltering, and stood pretty toe to toe with the Lions,
you know, for most of that game. Like, I think

(59:49):
that would be viewed as as a quote unquote successful season.
But before we wrap up, I feel like we were
a little being a little dismissive. We talked about the offense,
I guess love to the Saints, to the Saint's defense,
Like we have not talked about this at all.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Give it to me.

Speaker 8 (01:00:05):
I've just so you you put a hit on in
regards to kind of you know, the Saints, you know,
super Bowl contenders and just the discussion, and you made
the the analogy that we that we made on Tuesday
regarding you know, the Miami defenses. And my counterpoints to
that is that those Miami defenses did not and have
a defense as good as the Saints defense.

Speaker 7 (01:00:26):
It's like that's that's the big counterpoint.

Speaker 8 (01:00:28):
Like if you're if there's an argument that this team
could maybe be playing I don't know, the Lions or
the Niners in the NFC Championship game, the defense is
obviously going to be also a big big part of that.
And there's a lot of things kind of clicking for
for this defense. And so they have a huge test
against the Eagles. Like, that's a big test. This is

(01:00:49):
the biggest test that they have in terms of their
run defense. We'll see if it's truly improved. It's probably
the best offensive line run wise that they've played up
to this point, and that's a big question because last
year the run defense was not good. So nope, going
to get Saquan and things like that. It's gonna be
a huge test for them on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
I think I think he could get pushed around. I
think this Eagles offensive line is legit. I think it
could be a higher scoring game than people will realize.
Hurts is like a little off in terms of in
rhythm throws, but they can they can mash And I
do worry a little bit Ryan that, Like, you know,
Granderson probably your best DL and he's playing well, But like,

(01:01:28):
is that a great defensive line if Granderson's your best DL?
To Mario Davis is still just playing awesome, Honey, Badger
looks like he's gonna have one of those years like
every three or four years he just pops out with
like a first team All Pro year, and he might
make the Hall of Fame because of it. He made
an All Decade team. Most of those guys make the
Hall of Fame. But yeah, tell tell the listeners kind
of what you think about this defense. Maybe who's popping

(01:01:48):
up that that's a little bit of a surprise what
they might not know, because you're absolutely right, Adam to
point that out. But I want to hear Ryan like,
this is a dnnis Allen defense. He'd been running this
thing for seven years now? How long is running the
same Ya?

Speaker 9 (01:02:00):
Yeah, since twenty since twenty sixteen, and it's been pretty
consistently Yeah, pretty.

Speaker 5 (01:02:06):
Consistently good since twenty seventeen.

Speaker 9 (01:02:08):
I mean, look, the defensive line had questions going into
the season, and I still have questions. Chase Young looks
really good. He's getting a lot of pressures, he's physical,
he looks different. But you know, you're not getting the
sack numbers you want to see from the defensive line
as a whole. Cam Jordan, you know, he's playing inside
a little more, not playing as many snaps as he
used to. As he kind of gets towards the end

(01:02:31):
of his career, So I would like to see more,
especially with the leads that they've had the past two weeks,
you would think you would see the defensive line just
get a little more ferocious, but it also, you know,
you just also see Dennis Allen blitzing a little more.
Alante Taylor has been fantastic in the nickel cornerspot just blitzing, covering,
tackling everything like he cam been with a completely different

(01:02:52):
mindset this year. Kuli mckinstreet looks good pulsing the debo.
I mean, you have the stat secondary and the linebackers
are played well too, so you know it's gonna be interesting, man.
But it's really gonna I really want to see this
defensive line kind of step up for before I could say, hey,
it's a Super Bowl team for real, because.

Speaker 5 (01:03:11):
You really, they're really gonna have to bring it, you know,
going forward.

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
This is one of those years though the NFC just
I mean every year is like this to some degree,
but the AFC is just a little different with all
those quarterbacks and they're gonna get in there and it's
just tough to go through two or three of those guys.
The NFC, it's like it's gonna be a tournament, and
if you can get a home game at least for
your first game, maybe for two, you maybe get through

(01:03:36):
that tournament.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
You know, it's what one game seasons.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
It's it's possible looking at the NFC and you know
what's crazy about it, And we'll wrap with this. It
kind of justifies if this season ends up being just
that one season, that's just a lot of fun. We'll
see if it continues. It kind of justifies this whole
play that Mickey Loomis and Dennis Allen has had. This
is theory, because my theory is, like I think it's

(01:04:03):
absolutely true in NFL billions, just like let's just get
to one more year, give us one more year of employment,
and you never know what's gonna happen in that one year,
So let's let's sell everything out to get to that
one more year, because you never know if we'll finally
get out of this set, like maybe we'll just everything
will fall into place. We don't know, like we finally
hit on the OC this year, like we don't know, Uh,

(01:04:24):
things are happening. And if you can just justify that
one more year is gonna get you three or four
more years might get a new contract, might be a
lot of fun. So all that begging and borrowing and
trading the picks and and aiming for the middle with
Derek Carr and man Adam, they they gonna, I'm not
gonna say they're gonna shut y'all up a little bit,
but they're gonna they're gonna make it all worth it

(01:04:44):
and that they'll be happy about it their paychecks. And Mickey,
Mickey will be there for longer than anybody in the NFL.
He's out last Bill, Bill Belichick. Mickey's outlasted Bill Belichick.

Speaker 8 (01:04:55):
That crazy uh you you brought you brought them up
the AFC and you know we're as fans were not
looking for it. But that Kansas City game Monday night
football in a couple of weeks, it looks, it.

Speaker 6 (01:05:09):
Looks so much better than cold And if if, if,
by whatever chance, you have two four no teams on
Monday night football like that, that's going to be that'll
be fun.

Speaker 8 (01:05:21):
That'll be fun to see. But uh, truly, like, thank
thank you for having us on. Man, this is as
an honors, as a privilege. It's crazy how football can
bring people together. We you, we've I've known you for
for years. You know, we've been to each other's dater's
birthday parties, We've been to events together where football has

(01:05:41):
like formed actual friendships beyond that that has nothing to
do with football, and it's it's beautiful. How how football
can can do that. So it's it's crazy that we've
been on with you, but it's an honor of privilege
and we we truly appreciate it from the bottom.

Speaker 5 (01:05:58):
Of our heart.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
No, don't be silly. You guys have been killing it.
It's overdue. And yeah, I think uh Ellis has still
got that build a bear.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
In her room somewhere. She's she's starting thirteen this weekend.
How about that? Speaking of Bruin, Oh what.

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
I think we hung out at the beach and she
was at she was like six years old back then.

Speaker 9 (01:06:18):
Oh crazy, I just want I want to know, Greg,
can we get you down in New Orleans for the
cash money Hot Boys Reunion?

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
Is that is that like officially happening? When is that happening?

Speaker 5 (01:06:30):
The tickets are purchase? Come home.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
I'll try. I got to get the end. We we
don't go to a lot of games.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
I wish uh maybe I'll try to convince the NFL,
there's a big Saints game that week, and then sneaked
my way over to that. That was funny because because
I was there. I was there in New Orleans at
the absolute peak when Ha came out, when when it
was all when when people thought missed the Cow was
like the second best, you know, it was like bigger

(01:06:56):
than Little Wayne.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
You know, I was there.

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
It was like what it was like. It was like
being in Liverpool when the Beatles came out. So I
appreciate you both, Adam and Ryan. Like I said, check
them out if you're watching on YouTube, check out the
Hot Saints block party merch.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
I like that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
And yeah, they do the best job covering the Saints
a couple times a week. They are awesome. And yeah,
it's been a fun week on NFL Daily. We will
be back Friday afternoon. You might have seen with Cynthia
Frielan I'm doing the Picks against the Spread every week.
That's just a little mini show we're dropping in the
feed Friday afternoon, and then we'll be back for our

(01:07:33):
next big show recapping all the games in Week three,
including Saints and Eagles on Sunday night. That'll be with
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