Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Jourdan Rodrigue and Bridget Condon to get you caught up on news from around the NFL including Justin Fields' injury at Jets camp (01:45), a check in on the first round picks from around the league getting their first taste of camp (08:30), updates on the QB battles taking place (12:50), and more! After the break, the crew tells you why the Seahawks offense (21:09), the Chiefs (34:50), the Commanders (44:12), and Packers (46:20) are all taking a trip down the Corridor of Uncertainty.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Wow, up to NFL Daily where we're trying to hold
on to that first week of training camp optimism, but
they're making it hard. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in Chris
Wesseling's podcast studio. That's what we're calling it today with
my friend Jordan rod Rieg and back after birthing a child.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Congratulations, I made it.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I'm alive. Like that is congratulations enough that I walked
out of the hospital alive.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It's Bridget Condon and yes, no, I mean Ava, your daughter.
Congratulations to her, and congratulations to you. But no, I
was congratulating you for being now a three time NFL
Daily guest.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
That's really I.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
The only thing that I did more on maternity leave
than cuddle and kiss and smother my baby is bully
Greg into letting me back on the show. That is
kind of just texted me.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
True. But look, you.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Know that now that she's three days a week, she
does have pull, So I might switch my bullying over
to Jordan.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Not a bad strategy.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
And you just got back to work, you were telling
me just on Wednesday, so you're.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Literally basically day two. I'm gonna put my phone down
here and not stock the nanny cam. This will be
the longest I've gone without stalking the nanny cam. Those
things are dangerous. Like they're great because you can know
what's going on, but like I feel like I'm invading
her privacy and I need to show.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah, I feel like they almost shouldn't exist. But that's
a conversation for another day. And Bridget is going to
be one of the many NFL Network reporters out in
the field. It is back Together weekend on NFL Network,
so we start the all day coverage of training camp
round the clock this weekend. So looking forward to seeing
you there. But Jordan, as I alluded to, off the
(01:43):
top in terms of the optimism, and this is the
time of year where like everything's great and then usually
the first few days there's always some sort of injury. Actually,
this week I've thankfully noticed there hasn't been like too
many major things, but there was on Thursday when Justin
Fields gets carted off at Jets camp.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I immediately thought, like.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Man, I've been optimistic about this team the whole offseason.
I really believe I think they're the most underrated team
in Vegas. And then I almost like felt like a
Jets fan that it was already starting again.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
It's so interesting.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
There's like a mixed response to this coming out of
that market this morning. As we're sort of following this
unfolding Justin Field's foot toe situation, like he got stepped
on at practice, they're still understanding like the severity, the timeline,
all of these things.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
But I'm seeing some reports out there.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Being like it's no big deal, they really avoided something
worse all of that, and then I'm also seeing reports
of the timeline is still unknown, the severity is still unknown.
I think if you get stepped on a practice, obviously
go get that checked out. Feet are important, but I
also think like they might have avoided something more serious.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yes, it is officially a dislocated toe, which.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Painful by the way, in giving birth. No, i've can
keep you out of month.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
It can keep you out a month too, So there's
like a a quarterback obviously needs his toe. It didn't
say what toe it is, which actually.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Didn't say the big toe though, so it said it's
not you know, it's not the big toe. So that's
one positive.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
The Jets say avoided serious injury and was Lloyd missing
significant time, But Rich Sameni and Adam schefter of ESPN
also say that it could be weeks and they're hopeful
he'll be ready for week one. So the log line
is like, they don't really know, and we're going to
see a lot of Tyrod Taylor if you're going out
to Florham Park.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So as we're talking, I googled.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I remember Brian Baldinger telling a story one time about
an NFL player with an extra toe, So of course
I did a quick Google story. It's jorted my lot.
It's not a quarterback, it's not justin fields. But man,
how lucky you had a bit. How lucky you're ahead
of it. If it's just the toe, you don't need.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I just like it. I feel for Jets fans because
why why does this happen every year? Greg?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Like again, literally Aaron Rodgers, Zach Wilson, Sam Darnold, Gino
Smith and Mark Sanchez, Chad Pennington, if you want to
go really far back, all had injuries during training camps.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
As like starting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
The Broadway is built unbroke up.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I'm not going to get freaked out though, because if
he is ready for week one, it's not the bigger deal.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
But it is a toe problem. But it's now you
you know how crazy New York is as a market,
and like, now it's just one more thing that's putting
pressure on this organization, and it's like, oh my god,
could we have just had a great camp where Justin
Fields went out there and maybe quieted down some people
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
You haven't talked this much about feet since Rex Ryan
was there. Hey, okay, I promise I have some actual
response to your great analysis. I feel if my chair
is slowly sinking. I don't know if you've noticed this.
I've actually suck several inches since we've started.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
That is a great advertise, as long as you don't
put your foot up on the table and show us
your toes. Oh my god, I did that.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I think I've blocked another former Jets quarterback who was
not with them at the time.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
You know, I feel like Rex was ahead of the
game because now they always joke about his foot fetish
on the ESPN shows. I believe like that was back
when it was almost like, oh, this is really risky,
and now everyone's so sex positive, like.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, like only fans is he on? Everyone making so
money to fans to fans to pay for dacare.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
By the way Tyra Taylor is one of the most
talented and best backup quarterbacks in the league. If you
were just playing one game tomorrow, he actually might be
a better option than Justin Fields. But that's not a
great thing because I think Justin Fields, more than just
about any other quarterback in a brand new offense, could
really use as much time as possible, and Tyrod Taylor
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has proven, despite my love for Tyrod Taylor, that he
can only stay healthy for like one or two regular
season games at a time. At this point of his
career one of the oldest players in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
One of the things that I do like about the
way they've built that Quarterbacks Room out is you don't
have to stop installing the parts of your offense that
you want to run around and through justin fields. It
sounds like some of even some of the triple option stuff,
some of the have your personnel stuff that they want
to do. Tyrad Taylor is also more than capable of
doing that, has the experience, so it's not like you're
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losing valuable install time or practice time as he's out.
I'm really finding a hard time criticizing or being.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Worried about much Jet stuff.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Maybe because it was so rock bottom just see care
or so ago.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
But I mean, we've seen how important training camp is
for quarterbacks in new systems, and I understand you. He
can still be in the training room and learning the
playbook and things like that, but like getting the rhythm
down with his pass catchers, like that is what we're
losing here, Like that was part of the reason with
Aaron Rodgers, right, Like he didn't have enough time with
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them right once he got injured to like really figure
things out. And I think that's what the Jets were
hoping for, Like let's start new, Let's get this guy in,
let's build a foundation, let's build camaraderie between the guys.
And now it's like what was that day one? Day two,
and we're already like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Let's just rattle through some other items. Hasn't been a
ton of huge news before we get to a new
segment that weird. The corridor of uncertainty love it. And
this is a term that is part of the cricket lexicon.
I know nothing about the sport of cricket. I just
heard it referred to in context of a cricket conversation.
(07:16):
The corridor of uncertainty, and I thought that's an amazing
sports term, and I don't want to know really exactly
what it means when it comes to cricket. Right our
own definition, all it would take would be like fifteen
seconds on Google or Wikipedia. But no, I don't want
to know. I'm sure our listeners will will tell us
if we're using it. But the corridor of uncertainty is
coming up. But first we're going to do the first
(07:37):
round corner.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
You know how I know you're a boomer real quick
because you said you're going to look it up on
Wikipedia or Google. Like if you were a millennial or
gen X, you would say, gen Z, you're gonna chat GPTA.
Oh no, no, no, no, no, but chet, I'm a
bad millennial. Honestly, I think nobody uses Wikipedia or Google.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Let's normalize shaming anyone that uses chat be cheapt for anything,
like as a moral clip this, you're going to be.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Loving chat GPT. I will shake on it. You're gonna
text me game be like, oh my god, Chat just
wrote my entire nutrition plan.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Moral stance against it. No, why ABT No, I'm done
with you. And by the way, you skip right past
you sound like.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
The people who didn't, and they would have been billionaires
now had they.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, but they're all creeps, Like they're like among the
worst people in the world. Our first round corner and
that is going to be a little carousel we go
through around the league just of first round picks, making
a little bit of news and you guys can comment
on what stands out to you the most. Jahad Campbell,
the linebacker of the Eagles who fell to thirty two
in large part because teams weren't sure if he was
(08:44):
going to be ready to play this season because of
a shoulder injury, is already out there first day at camp.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
It looking really good.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Uh, he could really improve that defense and possibly even
start next to Zach Bond. Liam Cohen, the Jaguars coach,
said initially at camp, Travis Hunter is taking one or
two days on offense and one or two days on defense.
But on those days he's sitting in the meeting rooms
of the side of the football that he's not practicing on,
(09:11):
which seems very confusing. So that he's getting ready to
do both, but sooner than later he's going to be
playing and flip flopping in practice both on the same day.
It's just going to take like a week till he's
ready to do that. And then one of my favorite
picks in the draft, Walter Nolan, who is a really
talented defensive line and could be out all the way
into the regular season with a surgery that we weren't
(09:33):
aware of till they had to declare it when he
showed up for training camp. So I'm disappointed about that.
What stands out of those stories that really stinks.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
I did the reason why I did chuckle, And I
know that probably sounded insensitive upon first listen, but I
put in parentheses in our shared Google doc parentheses heartbreak
for Greg because he was your favorite player in the draft,
and he was a core piece, a young piece of
that sort of evolving defensive line mixed together veterans and
younger players who were really supposed to help bring that
Cardinals front to life this year. I love that John
(10:02):
Campbell is already on the field. I We're going to
be shaking our fists at Howie Roseman.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Why how did he do it? Again? Like you know,
because of this pick.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
At the end of the year, there's a couple other
injured guys there too. BJ o'jelari's coming off at Torney
Sale isn't ready to go ball Nichols as a defensive
lineman ready to go. So I was really excited about
their depth, but already it's being tested. Are we going
to be able to overcome our chat Chepah for sure?
I just asked Chat, should I be mad at Greg?
And he was like, no, it's just going to take
some time.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
It's not a person, It's just all it is is
a collection.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Of great great Well, Chat doesn't have to tell me
this one. I'm most excited about Travis Hunter because it's
just fascinating. We had n't then had a player like
him in a long time in the NFL, and to
see him work on both sides of the ball already
this Like he said, he'll just need a week. Oh yeah,
just a week to get ready until he's out there
doing both. As you mentioned, he's doing three days of offense,
(10:54):
two days of defense in when special teams goes with
like the defense when he's on offense. Yeah, Like it's
very complicated, but I think the incredible opportunity here is
the upside for him, right, Like, if he is really
going to be this good and I think they he
hasn't reached his full potential. Right, what these coaches can
do with him was just like a fraction in college,
and now he has the help and the training staff
(11:16):
and the resources to be a generational player. My concern
is the injury. Right when a player is playing that
many snaps on offense and defense, how how long is
that sustainable before like a major injury happens. I hope
it doesn't, right, I hope it doesn't.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Still have known too that they're sort of charting new
territory here. I know that they have new data people
over there. Jake Timmy's going to work with James Gladstone
over there to really understand.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
What this workload is. What it looks like.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
They've been talking to the Dodgers about Shoayotani. I think
they're dabbling into other sports where players play multiple positions
at every level. It's super interesting to me. And one
thing about Travis Hunter, you mentioned this bridge. It's really
cool now. He was an academic all am right, and
and also he played at altitude, So I'm like, I
(12:06):
love the confidence of him saying yeah, I'll have it,
I'll have the routine down, Like I just need to
do the job in order to know how to do
the job. And like, I love that mindset. I love
that mentality because he physically, I mean, he's a unicorn,
and but he also is a unicorn who trained at
altitude and absolutely has the acumen to be able to
under like just comprehend the magnitude of what's ahead of him.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
And when you want to know why he's leaning a
little more into the offense, A he I think has
more to learn there according to them. But b when
they line up in three wide receiver sets and he's
on defense, it's Parker Washington and Diami Brown with their
all World receiver Brian Thomas, it's not a great group.
I mean, you put Hunter there and move those two
guys down a spot each, it suddenly looks a lot better.
(12:51):
Going to the quarterback battles. Spencer Rattler was first up
in team reps. For what It's worth, which is not
which is not a ton. Our friend Andrew Siciliano had
like a Instagram video today it's like, don't overreact to
the first day, like the order. I get that Kenny
Pickett got all the first team reps in Cleveland, but
they said They're going to be switching it up day
by day, so you can't really judge it just on
(13:11):
one day. But after a couple of days, people saying,
like Radler does get the ball out of his hands
a little quicker. I do think that year in the
NFL is gonna help him. I'm already buying that he
has like a slightly bigger chance than I thought to
win that job.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
What about the Cleveland grouping bridget it.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Just it's kind of shocking to see the backlash maybe
of Shad or Sanders, like I know that we saw
it online of like the kind of person he is
and he fell in the draft and things like that.
But I thought he was going to because of that,
go out in training camp and be lights out right
like cutrely. You guys didn't.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
But he had a bad first day or something.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Okay, right, But again, like as we mentioned earlier, when
something goes wrong, all the pressure is going to be
that much more intense on him. It's just it's so
interesting with Cleveland because you have four quarterbacks and not
an answer, and for Kenny Pickett to be the one
taking first team snaps, like I get it. I mean,
Joe Flacco is what forty years old up there? If
(14:05):
you think he uses chat GPT, uh No, I don't
know that he knows. I don't think it's came across
his Facebook page yet. Like GPT exists, but you know
who uses it, Chaud or Sanders. Maybe he should use
less chat GPT and actually go out there and practice
a little more. Anyways, Flacco, he has the experience, but
he's aging. Pick it unproven, Gabriel mid round pick what
(14:27):
do we know about him? Not sure? Should or Sanders?
He's exciting, but he didn't. I don't know he's wrong talent.
He's exciting because he's going to bring the fans if
he goes out there, like he has so many followers,
like whether it's good or bad, he's going to bring
the attention and if he's good, that's great for the
fan base.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
It might be a negative.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
That might be a negative when it comes to the
coaching staff of they don't want that sort of smoke or.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Oh yeah, what are they?
Speaker 4 (14:50):
What can they possibly complain about with attention at this point,
as long as it's diverting from the mill multi million
dollar and guarantee elephant in the room. I have a
theory that part of the Shaduur draft, not only because
I do think he has tools. I think he's tradesy.
I said on this show that he reminds me of
(15:11):
a way, way, way, way way back, over a decade
and a half ago, version of what we would see
from an early, early, early Kirk Cousins. And that's why
I like how he fits in this type of scheme.
I like his traits. I think he's got a lot
of upside. I'm probably higher than most people were through
the draft process, and most people are still on him.
I'm also higher on Dylan Gabriel. He throws on time.
(15:33):
He's like Tuo but shorter, Like that's really the comp here.
And so I'm sitting there and I'm like, I cannot
wait to see these younger guys start getting more opportunities
and more reps. And one of my theories was, Hey,
this is a total attention cleanse yes, go pay attention
to Shitter Sanders and Dylan Gabriel, for the love of God,
pay attention to anything else other than everything that's festering
(15:55):
for years in that building.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
That assumes there's some sort of plan other than the
owner just stepping in. In round five, and being like
take take Sanders, you no longer have a choice, just
like with Deshaun Watson back in the day. But that's
just a guess. A couple other little items. Was scared
about this news when we heard about it on Wednesday,
but we weren't sure, so I wanted to wait for
an update. Dolphins offensive lineman Bayron Mattos has movement in
(16:21):
all his extremities after being airlifted from the Dolphins practice
on Wednesday. That's all the information we have, but at
least it's trending presumably towards positive, so that that's good
for him. The forty nine ers very thin at cornerback
they I mean at wide receiver rather, they have no
unhealthy There a guy named Jacob Cowen who was getting
(16:43):
a lot of like pop and fantasy circles. It was
a deep threat last year and could be as high
as like wide receiver two for them based on like
all the injuries. Hurt his hamstring right away in training
camp and so they were.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Basically down to Juwan jennimals. That's a good question, what's it?
What the hamstring?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
In general, there's like more soft tissue injuries now early
in camp that's.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Part of the rover they try to they start young
ramp up.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I don't know, because that's one of the big reasons
why the ramp up period is and why the first
few days of camp are so slow in theory, but
it doesn't seem to help that much. The Dolphins lost
some of their cornerback depth with Ardie Burns. He is
believed to have a torn acl Kyle Pitts, which we
didn't know how he was looking because he missed most
(17:28):
of the offseason, is practicing fully, taking a lot of
wide receiver snaps.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
The cycle begins a new.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
The Seahawks Uchenna Nuosu could be out all the way
into the regular season. That's a starter, a good pass
rusher for them. But they do have their running back,
the Seahawks Ken Walker back, which is really good. And
then finally, Matt Lafleur revealed at Packers practice Thursday that yes,
Nathaniel Hackett is back in the league.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I'm my name is Nathaniel Hackett.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Thanks, It's nice to see you out here. It just
I just some happier. I feel like he deserves to
be happy and deserves a I just fly around like
a butterfly.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Like he deserves to fly around like a butterfly. You know,
it's a Peter Principal thing, like he wasn't supposed to
be a head coach, maybe not even a coordinator. But
it's good to just see Nathaniel Hackett back where he belongs.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I'm happy he's happy. But it's just interesting. It's like
how I walked back into the studio. Hey, y'all, how
you do it? You don't I can't even like say
this because you don't understand the trend because you're not
on the socials. So never mind. But anyone listening, if
you know what I'm saying, It's like when you walk
back in after being away.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
For a while.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I'm I'm on too much social I would say, I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Fiasco. There's are very different.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Now there's this two twitters essentially, which was not what
I wanted, and then Instagram. But yeah, that's it. That's
that you're not on the talk. I'm not on TikTok no,
all right, forgot or Facebook. I've never had a Facebook.
I me just meant, you know, so maybe that that
means something.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
That's actually kind of crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Maybe I did that was a lie I did for
like three months. Then I just deleted do you have
my No? I never had MySpace either. That was before
my time?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Was it for your band? Was your Facebook page for
your band?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
No?
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I just like felt like the general social pressure that
just that everyone was doing it, And I was like,
this is stupid.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
You given uh no, wait but you said MySpace was
before your time. I had a MySpace.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
I had a MySpace. You can code it HTML, code
it yourself, and you could do your top eight friends.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
We should do. That's what a segment should be my Space,
your top eight friends. But your top eight and I
took and you know what, you know what has to
go with that. You used to get to put like
a song so when people visited your profile, the song
would automatically play. So it could be like, here's your
top eight and the song is like, I don't know,
(19:44):
something from cold Play or Yellow Card.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I was.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
I had Yellow Card on you know down on the Yeah,
did you see my Instagram?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Okay, I thought you were just saying that. Also, I
was like, wait, no, I used to listen to the
Yellow Card.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Multiple people used to listen to Yellow I feel like
it was niche.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Everyone's putting like school R and bn O.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I I grew up in like Desert Rat Warp Tour, Yes,
swop yellow did you.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Used to wear the bracelets like the black They weren't
like hair elastics, but they were kind of like I
never did I talking about I had checks and sides. Okay,
sorry that was my aesthetic. Guys, I'm trying to be
a regular on the show. I need to keep it together.
That Greg, you should write that down.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Warp to No.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
That was popping, you know, even when I was in
high school, so that lasted a while my Space.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
You're right.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I was definitely not too young for my Space. I
was in my early twenties. I don't feel like I
was that Internet.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I just wasn't.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Nobody in ties well I'm talking about is going to
care about this? And I want to shout them out.
When I did the play Caller series, my sound guy
on that Kent Garrison, brilliant, brilliant human. He was in
the band Forever The Sickest Kids. I was like, do
we work together now? I think I think I snuck
into Warp Tour to see your band.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Like, all right, that's the news. Let's take a quick break.
We we'll be back with the quarter of uncertainty.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Sorry, welcome.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
To the corridor of uncertainty, a cricket term we don't
really know about.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
We're not going to check chot gpt on anything.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Just something that you're entering this season, and I think
we need to embrace that as a society of how
much uncertainty there really is around us, how little we
actually do know. But something that really stands out to
you going into this season that you just don't know
about you. You're not picking one side, you're not being skeptical,
(21:45):
you're not the only other. You just you just don't know.
Why don't we start off with.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
You, Jordan, ooh exciting? Yeah, So my corridor of uncertainty.
And I like that this is neither a good or
bad thing because I'm genuinely fascinated by the Seattle Seahawks
offense this year and what it's going to look like.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
I don't really doubt the defense.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
I think they're going to be very very good the
end of the year, extremely well last year, and this
system under Mike McDonald often takes a little bit of time,
but they to me fast tracked that pace last year.
Clint Kubiak, what has he learned from his time with
the Saints. Are there other levels of other evolutions of
this offense? The Saints started out so strong and then
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completely fell off a cliff, So what now sustains this
moving forward? Jackson Smith in jigbut and Cooper Cup kind
of similar players, But how are they going to figure
out ways to play them in complimentary roles? You know this,
Sam Darnold is a corridor of uncertainty all to himself career, Yes,
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but he's owned that so well, which is great.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
The offensive line. Have they done enough to fix the
offense line?
Speaker 4 (22:55):
I think it's so great that they have Ken Walker back.
A really good running back does not fix an offensive line.
Vice versa has to be the case. So this is
pads go on next week for these guys, and I
love that we're going to keep learning about this team
and this completely overhauled identity all in one off season.
On the offensive side, I'm fascinated by this and it's
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just they're interesting to me.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
They're one of the teams that you feel like you
have a good sense of what the defense is going
to be, which is not normally how the NFL is.
The offenses are more consistent year to year and I
know it's only a year two, Mike McDonald, and yet
with that personnel and that coach and the way they finished,
I feel like we know and you're absolutely right, like
the variance of what this offense could be. It could
be bottom ten, it could be top ten if everything.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, goes well.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
And I don't know what I would comp it to,
right because Kubiak, we know the system that he came
out of, and we know the coaching tree and all
of that. He ran what was a very Kubiak coded
version of this offense at the beginning of his time
in New Orleans last season.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
But it has to change.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
And there's also a mishmash of really tenured personnel in
that offensive coaching staff and really interesting ideas, and so
how is this going to move forward and become what
are we what are we going to see from Clint specifically,
like who is this person and how is he going
to do something different that will put defenses on a
back foot versus being solved very quickly in the season.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
And I think we forget that. Sam Darnold at a
certain point of last season was in the conversation for MVP.
He had a bad game, and it came at the
worst possible time, when they were the last game of.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
The Sea.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
I would go ahead and disagree.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
But I'm a hater.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
You are a haters getting like.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
A vote where you get vote, sir?
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Ye Like he okay, he was better than twenty five quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I'll put him.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
I'll put him more than halfway better.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
I want quarterback come on a quarterback island. He need
to come on quarterback Island. I'll start texting him tonight,
but begging. No, but let me let me say my point.
I do have brain here, not just milk. Okay, let
me stop scaring people.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
No, but seriously, Sam Donald has a lot of potential.
And I remember I covered the playoff game rams Vikings,
and I was talking to a lot of his teammates
and they were like, this guy has just been overlooked
time and a time, and he didn't do well in
that playoff game. But I think that there is a
huge upside and I think he'll do well in a
system that wants him. Right, they went out and they
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got Sam Darnold. He was kind of like awkwardly there
in Minnesota, and like JJ McCarthy was supposed to be
the guy, and then he wasn't the guy, Like I
feel like he wasn't fully comfortable and I'm excited to see.
Like you said, there's a lot of uncertainty what his
upside can be, and I think we're going to be surprised.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I like that you brought up with the receiver because
I do feel like I know who JSN is at
this point of his career. Jackson Smith think jig but
he's getting better and better. But dude, does he really
compliment Cooper Cup And then the rest of the group
like it's pretty.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yeah, they have to wide open.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, they got rid of your boy, Noah Fan. You
know they there's not as many receivers there. Jake Bobo
is maybe like heavily involved. It's a lot of uncertainty.
I would be I would be anxious, But I think
it's a great point that they know they need to make.
Like Sam Donald and this entire regime, John Schneider and
Mike McDonald, like they are now tied at the hip
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despite what Sam Donald's contract. They're trying to like have
it both ways that they could get rid of them
out of this year.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
But to me, they're all kind of tied at the
hip they got to make this work.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah, I think it's interesting. I think like.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
When they really to your point about no Fan, I'm
so glad you brought up no Fan, Greg, thank you
for that. When they released him earlier this week, it
was clear, like you could see on paper what was
super clear. They're trying to increase competition for the guys
behind him. They drafted Elijah Royo in the second round,
and then they already had a couple guys there that
they're trying to compete for this job because they need
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to figure out who tight ends one and two are
because they're going to need two good ones in this
Kubiak offense. And then also they're going to need to
figure out receiver three and how the layers between js
and and Cooper cups stacked together.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
You can have two orbital guys that play that.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Sort of x F type of role and rotate around
each other almost like a solar system around the quarterback,
but you.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Have to have a really clear cohesive.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Plan for how two similar players can actually functionally do
that and all the rest of the pieces around them
as well. And I think that this coaching staff and
this team really summed up our feelings of uncertainty as again,
neither a negative or a positive, just uncertain and no
better way than how Mike McDonald actually answered the Noah
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fan question, which was total uncertainty.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
In my vote, we love Noah wors than the best,
but we also love the guys that are still here
and they know what's at stake, and it's going to
be a lot of fun watching that competition of the
tight End Room. What ream we did? We released them
a few days ago.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
We I'm not gonna tell you exactly.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Why reasons just lyle I love it, Like that's just
that just sums it up.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
He's like five percent more comfortable in front of the
microphone this year than he was a year ago, which
is still well below like the median of NFL head coach.
There's just something about him that I.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Just love it.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
He said, I'm not going to tell you, and it's
like we're gonna, we're gonna see it. We're gonna watch
them show their work, and I like that about them
as an uncertain team.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Love that choice. We have a little breaking news as
we're taping this show. Aaron Rodgers has been intercepted on
this very phone.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
My god, I thought you were going to say injured.
You said that team drills.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
That's just bad vibes. I'm a hater.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Caleb Williams was intercepted on his first throw of team
drills too. There is something about and it's really more
the first play of the season that I'm with. There
is something about first place. I do think that's a
bad only for these teams like these. You spend the
whole you spend the whole off season getting ready. They
make a choice like here's the first play we're going
to do with the practice, and then it's an interception.
It's just bad juju. All right, I'm gonna go to
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my choice for the quarridor of uncertainty, one of them,
and you would make me go last. You can go
twice in a row if you want. You know, there's
no worry about the order. I'll go last. I am
very uncertain about the certainty of who the best teams
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are in the NFL and how much consistency there has
been and it's a real trend and that everyone assumes
there will be moving forward.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
And by that I mean the three big teams in the.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
AFC with the great quarterbacks, the Chiefs, the Bills and
the Ravens, and then I would also throw, now you know,
the Eagles and the Lions into that mix. And I
think if you asked, like twenty people, who are the
best four teams in the NFL, it's gonna be those
first four. You ask another twenty, I think they'd all
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say the Lions are probably fifth. Maybe there's an order,
and it's just not how the NFL usually works, having
you know, covered it way since the days of Facebook
and when boomers were at it.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Like there used to be someone there uncertainty.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Boomers roamed the yearth.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Like great teams usually didn't stay great that consistently. There
was the Patriots, and there was there was Peyton Manning
like racking up his regular season wins, but it usually
wasn't like this much year after year after year. And
so this assumption that all these teams and I'm not
there's not a team among them that I'm pointing at
and saying like they're not going to be the team
that's good. But there's something about all the certainty that's like, okay,
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pencil those teams into the playoffs that I'm uncertain about.
That's just not how professional football is supposed to work.
At some point, this consistency is gonna fall apart a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
So I had to ask chat GPT who the best
four teams are so that I had a talking point.
Now this let me go on the record to say
somebody's gonna get caught this season on a podcast or
a talk show or whatever for not having preparing and asking,
because the problem is is it pulls from random articles
and it doesn't fact check.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
It's just it's just like Google search that bridge content.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Can I tell you the results? First it said Kansas
City Chiefs, Okay, fine, Then it said San Francisco because
of Debo, Yeah, Deebo's not on the team anymore.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Chat GBT, you prove it.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
No, no.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
But then I said fact check this, you dummy, and
he said Eagles, Ravens, Bills Chiefs. Yeah, exactly what you said.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
So I don't There's just something that makes me uncomfortable
about an extremely predictable NFL if you look like look
at the AFC Divisional round last year was the exact
same as the year before. Those three teams I mentioned,
and then the Texans were back again and they are
the favorites again in the nfcon. Even if you look
at the NFC, it's the Eagles who have basically been there,
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it's the Lions who have now kind of established themselves
at that team. It's it's the Rams, who you know,
have been around and the commanders were like, wow, see
there's one surprising team. Like, that's not how it's supposed
to go. I need I need this to be shaken
up a little more.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Yeah, but I liked your point that you made at
the very beginning of this segment, where you were talking
about if you would ask twenty people, they would probably
all have different opinions, Like I have a different opinion
about who I think the best teams are.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I think the Bucks should be in there.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Okay, I think the My point was everyone saying the
same four teams.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
That's that's But I to you, well, I have the
reverse opinion. I think that this is a while we
think that these teams because they actually went out and
did the thing last year. Yes, of course we're penciling
them in to the top of our list.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
That's a natural thing to do.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
But I actually think if I'm looking at the future
and again not factoring injuries in for any of these teams.
I'm still putting the Eagles on the top. I'm still
putting the Chiefs on the top. They're one with the
quarterback with Pat Mahomes too. It's just the most best
built team in football. I'm looking at the long term
with all the current injuries, not future injuries, and the
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coordinator turnover. Maybe would bump the Lions down a little bit.
Also one of the best built teams in football. I
think the Bucks are one of the best built teams.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
You'd have them ahead of the Chiefs or the Ravens
or who am I forgetting the Bills.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
I would have the Bucks. I would have the Bucks
above the Lions, but not above the Raves.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Okay, so they get into the five spot, and.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
I think the Rams are up there too.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
It just used to know.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
You're all shocked to hear that. Now it just used
to be. Don't get me started on the Bengals. I'm
like a Bengals stand. I have no reason why. I
have no that at a show. Actually, you should talk
nicely about them, No, I'm just I, Oh, you guys,
don't buy into it. Like I think Joe Burrow is
one of the best quarterbacks of our time. Sure, and
I think like he's just one injury free season away
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from winning the Super Bowl. I understand that their team,
they've lost a lot of good talent, but I think
he's a kind of guy like a Patrick Mahomes that
can completely change a season because of his talent regardless
of who's on the field, Like he can make the
most of what's there. He just needs to stay healthy.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yeah, they and Vegas agrees with you, like and like
the advanced analytics places like we're gonna have Aaron shots
on from FTN Almanac, like they all have the Bengals
right behind these these top teams. But yeah, they The
thing is, they really have done it. It's not just
that we've been penciling in and they've been like those
three teams in the AFC and certainly the Eagles in
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the lines the last two years, their rise has been
have been extraordinarily almost historically consistent in a way that
just teams that weren't piloted by like Tom Brady or
Peyton Manny just haven't been over the last twenty years.
So we'll see if that gets the apple cart gets
upset at all. Right, you're up bridge it.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Verry Boomer thing to say, apple Cart gets up there?
Can you explain that for us back in the old day?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
I'll ask chat later. All right, So what I have
coming to you? I'm waiting for the music. Come on,
come on, do what we don't know? This season is
yet to be found out. You listen though daily and
we'll tell you the answers. But for now, coming from
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July twenty fourth, this is what we're uncertain about.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
It's the Chiefs, those red and yellow chiefs Andy with
the cheeseburger, Patrick Mames.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
I'm not gonna say he should be charged, Okay for that,
all right, you should be charging. I'm answering about the
wide receiver roote okay, okay for she Rice. Are we
allowed to talk about it?
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I mean he's expected to be suspended after being found guilty.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
You know, okay, he's expected to serve jail time.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
At this point, I didn't know what we can okay,
so you said that.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I mean it's officially reported.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
The answer questions I don't like to speak Xavier Worthy,
what's he going to do in year two? And then
Jalen Royals the twenty twenty four twenty twenty five fourth
round pick, he's getting first team reps as they're evaluating
the depth. But I'm I'm I'm concerned a little bit.
But I fear to say that I'm concerned because it's
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the same conversation every off season with Chiefs. Who's Patrick
Mahomes gonna throw to? I guess Travis Kelcey slimmed down,
he got some hair, he's I mean, he's in the
Taylor world. He's doing great, Like he's a he's gonna hair?
What is it? I mean, his hair is just even
better than before. Oh, it was like, did he purchase
some man yead? We're trying to get Jordan to Bays
maybe Travis can no. But is Worthy going to take
that enough? Is it enough?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Is Worthy going to take the leap? Is Royals? Like?
Is he going to be their guy in the future?
Like is he gonna step up big and be a
fourth round pick Pukinakua type guy?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I don't know, right, I mean, they have a second
round pick that they tried to shoehorn over and over
into opportunities that's still on the roster sky More that
I don't even think necessarily makes his team. So there's
no guarantee even if it's Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes
that he's going to turn these guys. I do think
because of bringing Hollywood Brown back, which I thought was
a nice quiet like re signing for a little bit
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of money. I'm always defending Hollywood Brown as like a
useful NFL player, that their wide receiver position is in
better shape than it has been. I think, assuming Rice
you know, is back this season, I assume that if
he gets suspended, it'll be probably half the season at most.
I think it's in better shape than the last few years,
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at least the last Really, since the post Tyreek Hill trade,
I feel better about it, and I think their team
build is really interesting to think about because I think
they're just counting on offensive line. Plus Patrick Mahomes is
going to make these guys better. But I do think
these guys are a bunch of like good potential two
slash threes, and Worthy has has a nice ceiling he
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did produce at the end of last year.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
It looks like to me that they're really looking at
explosive plays and team speed. Patrick Mahomes has been shrunk
down because of the shells that defenses play against him,
and he's forced to take the underneath stuff. They're forced
get real. Andy Reid has the best screen game in
the entire league. They're support to get really creative with
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their screens and all of the different underneath layers that
they can build. You started to see, especially at the
end of the season, and I know half of America
turned off the Super Bowl in like the second quarter,
but you could see that there were some real explosive
plays to be had by Xavier Worthy. And I just
think that he is going to be a really, really
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fascinating player for them. And I think that they're going
for again like this speed and really attempting to poke
a needle in the bubble that these defenses are playing
over them. And so I think they're trying to build
around him, like who is going to become the name?
To your point, you listed some players who really could
become the compliment to him. If you have these two
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speed rockets going down the field, who is going to
draw attention underneath so that those guys get more isolated coverage.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
I just think that's what you see.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
You see Andy Reid's like beautiful mind war is basically
he's like, I need a puncture, a guy who can
puncture the bubble and that's what I think he's trying
to do.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
To your point, Bridget, this was the exact storyline from
last camp was we need.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
To go deep.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
It is every year, but especially like the We'd now throat.
It's Patrick Mahomes getting his like groove back by throwing,
you know, using his arm again. And that was everything
all last August. And then he had six point eight
yards per attempt, which is like, which is like Alex Smith,
not even with the Indy Raid. It was like Alex
Smith in San Francisco. It's kind of shocking that Patrick
Mahomes and his prime is averaging six point eight yards
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per attempt.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
It's it's it's a little criminal.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
It kind of though, goes back to like the good
old Patriots and like, sorry for bringing it up, but
like Tom Brady who was Julianettoman before Tom Brady came around.
Like I feel like they you're gonna say something, but
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
They like a can't state quarterback or something.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yeah, but like you know what I'm saying, Like he
didn't have these flashy players like you look at we
talk about the Ravens, we talk about the Bengals. They
have these flashy guys. Those great quarterbacks don't necessarily need
to like they make them flashy by helping them drag
them along with them. I like, maybe it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
I am fascinating because I would love to see. Now
I've now seen a bat like a boring ish Chiefs
offense long enough that even though I like like upheaval
and you know, the Chiefs being this good this every
year is on some level, you get a little tired
of it. Like I'm ready to see an exciting Chiefs
offense again. I'm ready to see like Patrick Mahomes earn
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that like number two spot in the best players of
the last twenty five years.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
So bring it on.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
I'm with it all right, let's you know, I make
click on. I'm making a change. I said you were
going to go twice in a row, but this doesn't make sense.
So we'll go Jordan and then back to Bridge.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Yeah, and this one's really quick too.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
I have uncertainty, uh, in a good way, because I'm
excited to see the thought process here. It could go
very well for some of these guys. It could go
horrifically badly for some of these guys who are first
year head coaches Aaron Glenn, Ben Johnson, Kellen Moore, Brian Schottenheimer,
and Liam Cohen. And the interesting thing I want to
point out about all but one of these coaches is
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that they hired very, very experienced defensive coordinators. Steve Wilks
is with the Jets, Dennis Allen is with the Bears,
Brandon Staley is with the Saints, Matty Verflus is with
the Cowboys. But Liam Cohen, also a first year head
coach and an offensive minded head coach, hired Anthony Campanelli.
And to his credit, Anthony Campinelli is a experienced defensive
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assistant coach but has.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Never been a coordinator at the NFL level.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
And I'm really curious to see how this works because
it seemed like a lot of these first year guys
also reflected on their own corridors of uncertainty. What don't
I know about this job, what don't I know about
doing this? And what do I need taking off my
plate by somebody who can manage a defense like its
own ecosystem?
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yeah, and like Ben Johnson, for instance, has Dennis Allen
doing that?
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Done that a long time?
Speaker 1 (42:01):
It did hit me this week as like we had
another trope alairt of Ben Johnson, you know, taking his
offense off the field, just like he did in the
off season. But basically they couldn't. Their operation was struggling,
so he took them off the field. And then this
Jets thing happened this morning with Justin Fields, and it
did occur to me with these two Lions assistance, like
which is stronger the optimism and the organization of these
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former Lions coordinators or just like the history.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
And vibes of this Bears and Jets.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
I have to tell you though, like I'm curious what
you guys thoughts are, Like, I don't mind that, No,
that's great. I love I love that everybody can get it.
If you are with the Chicago Bears, you will walk
around the corner and get chewed out by something if
you are not doing in it in the correct way,
by either Ben Jonson or Dennis Allen.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Like, this is not a warm, fuzzy situation.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
Despite having come out of the Dan Campbell coaching tree
at this point, the more I hear trickle out about
the Bears last season, there's no accountability anywhere on the
football side, top to bottom, players everyone, and so I
think this is like, you know, like a really good
cleanse or like the first workout back after like being
gone or away for a while. It hurts like a mother,
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but it's worth it.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
You need it.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
It's like when you're a substitute teacher and you got
to walk in and you're like really strict and the
kids scare you. But then like day two, day three,
you can loosen up. Like that's what has to happen
in Chicago. Like he needs to come in and I
love that he took the offense off the field and
was like, nah, you're wrong, get the get the heck off,
Like you need to come in and lay the foundation
and say this is how we're doing stuff. Because if
you come in trying to be their best friend, trying
to be all happy like Dan Campbell, I don't believe.
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Is Dan Campbell what we saw the jokey ha ha ha,
Like I don't think that's how he started it right,
Like he'll do that when things are going good it's easier,
but like he yeah, like he's the guy out there
doing push ups with them, Like that's what Ben Johnson
is trying to install in Chicago, Like this is how
we're going to do things. You sucked forever, So we're
gonna fix it. Like if you want change, like this
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is how it happens.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Love that, and uh, I'm gonna love this next one. Okay,
it's second quarter of uncertainty.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Tap a lot of questions.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Right down the road from that little white house with
a Capitol building not too far a new stadium looming
in the city of Washington.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
D C.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Jaden Daniels and the Washington Commanders took the world by
storm at the end of the season, Hail Mary's and Hello's.
But can they continue? Can the offense succeed without him running?
We saw what happened with C. J. Stroud in his
year too. Is Jaden Daniels going to have the same
impact or is Cliff Kingsbury gonna do his magic in
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the off season. We saw what he did with Patrick Mahomes.
We saw him what he did with Kyler Murray in
the beginning and wasted them both. Can Ken he do
this same with Jayden Daniels. The blueprint is built, but
can they execute it at an elite level? Look, he's
going to go into these defenses. They now have tape
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on him. They have a year worth of tape in
the beginning in your rookie year, you can get away
with a little bit more because people aren't sure what
to expect from you. I want him to be great.
Let me put that out there. I'm just a little
like he's one one injury away. He is so mobile,
he uses his legs so much. Can they succeed if
he's not doing that? And how much is how long
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is that going to be sustainable?
Speaker 1 (45:30):
I think it's a great thing to point out that
the first month of the season, I'm fascinating yea and
uncertain to see what this offense looks like because it
will be a two point zero version of it. Now
his legs are going to be a massive part of it.
I don't think that's going away.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
It shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
It's just super POWERU.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
It's just how and how that evolves, how that changes,
like it did for Lamar Jackson, for instance. They were
just like different different stages. So I'm really fascinated to
see that my last corridor of uncertainty.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
That's it, all right?
Speaker 5 (46:02):
Bye?
Speaker 1 (46:03):
What okay, wellie, we spent like thirty minutes, We've done
forty five already, okare you guys? Hey, let me just
pack up I think it's like one of the most
uncertain quarterback I no know, keep going in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (46:20):
I see what you did.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
You sandwiched me into the middle so we could skip over.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
I just realized we've been hollering's yours? What's yours?
Speaker 2 (46:26):
It's Jordan Love.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Oh cool, all right, guys, have a good show.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
A guy who like like Jayden Daniels to me is
more certain at this point. And yet Jordan loved. How
long has he been in the NFL? What you wanted
to talk more about Jaden.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
Daniels, I'm backing you go for it.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
At some point, we just got to move.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
Tell me about Jordan good name, great name. He should
have the U though.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
He is a guy I've always watched like PFF's charting
isn't perfect, but they do have a category that NFL
teams use similar grading when they have the big time
throws and the turnover where he plays like those are
the plus plus plays that NFL teams use in grading,
and it's similar. And I always check that with Jordan
Love because to me, he is a boomer bus quarterback.
(47:12):
And yet if you really watch, like last year, he
really wasn't I think people have this idea of him
throwing off the back foot and a gunslinger like. If anything,
I think they have really struggled to figure out how
to turn the dials of how much risk he should
take or how much risk he shouldn't take, and how
he operates and how he just does what he's asked
(47:34):
to do or how much he freelances. It was too
turned too far the other way that he was kind
of a boring quarterback last year. There weren't a lot
of big time throws. There weren't a lot of turnover
worthy plays either. He was just kind of in the middle.
And it gets me thinking in general his career, I
feel like he's never really found that balance, and that
makes me incredibly uncertain because I think he went something
(47:56):
like five six straight games before that playoff game without
a turnover worthy play. He was playing it very safe,
and in that game was a disaster where he had
four of them where he's making bad decisions, bad throws
over and over against the Eagles, And for that to
be the way he goes into his office. He just
to me like he could be an MVP someday or
(48:19):
he could be like a below average quarterback and I
don't really, I'm not like totally sure which one he's
going to be.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
I feel like year three is the year when we
see the quarterbacks either do what you're saying, like take
that next jump or And I know he's not in
year three, but this will be his third year starting,
and I think it's going to be a lot. We're
going to find out a lot about what his career
is going to be this season.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
Some of that's a push pull with the play caller too.
I mean you have to think about it with mattle
Floor too. He went from coaching and trying to build
it like the Compromise offense between himself and Rogers, where
they basically sat over zoom on the playbook and said, Okay,
you like this, I like this, and let's how can
we mash him together?
Speaker 3 (48:56):
And then Aaron Rodgers go out there and change stuff anyway.
Speaker 4 (48:59):
And then now you're a play caller and you're like, Okay,
now I've got a quarterback and I'm going to see
if I can get him to do the things that
I want to do and avoid risk, right, And then
now I think you're watching that the play caller has
to grow a little bit too. If he wants to
kind of unleash the full power and potential of what
Jordan Love can be.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
And some of those.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
Like high reward throws, Sure there could be risk involved,
but the high reward throws as well and sort of
expand his arsenal a little bit in that regard, Like
I think you have to grow with the quarterback, you
have to mold with the quarterback, versus kind of vacillating
one way or the other.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
Too far.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
I don't think he's he didn't look like a comfortable
quarterback necessarily for and I just think of his career
so far and it feels like this is his third year,
but I still do think of it a little bit
as his fifth year. I mean, you got to give
he was in the league for two years before he
got a chance to play, and he's figuring it out.
And if you love quarterback play, it's hard not to
love watching this guy. I don't know if Aaron Rodgers
(49:57):
ever like totally settled on like those levers of how
free to play and how not like that was a
challenge for him, and at points it made him look
like maybe the best quarterback of all time. And I
don't know if I don't think Love can get there,
but I think he can have some like insane seasons.
And yet I'm not sure who he is, very uncertain,
but I do know he you know, he's very lovable.
Speaker 4 (50:19):
Yeah, I know that a lot of NFL fans do.
Know about this really cool thing that the Packers do.
It's called the Dream Drive, where a bunch of kids
from all over Wisconsin bring their bikes to the little
pathway between the stadium and where players walk to the
practice field. It's like the coolest thing every year. It
really for me, it's the real sign of training. Camping
(50:39):
and house the best part of training camp And Jordan
Love met a young lady named Savannah and that was
whose bike he chose. And I think we have the
video of that roll Savannah.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
See if I get my feet on these pedals here
trying not to crash your bike?
Speaker 1 (50:52):
Here?
Speaker 5 (50:53):
What's up, guys, what's up? What's up?
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Let's go, let's go, I mean birthday?
Speaker 5 (51:00):
How old are you? Nine?
Speaker 4 (51:04):
Go?
Speaker 3 (51:05):
Pack?
Speaker 1 (51:05):
Go, pack?
Speaker 3 (51:06):
Go?
Speaker 1 (51:06):
What's up?
Speaker 5 (51:07):
You're going to break the bike? Bike?
Speaker 3 (51:10):
It's the room for this guy.
Speaker 4 (51:12):
Yes, the cutest thing, and it really made me think,
like this is the best time of year.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
For people who are football fans.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
You go to the training camps, you have these really
great memories. You you go with your family or in
your case, your kids. You will everybody your kids soon.
You know, it's just incredible. It's a it's a core memory.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
You're winning the super Bowl at this point of the year,
like there's nothing to complain about. Every team is going
to the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
And we yeah, we talk about this on NFL daily
and previously at around the NFL, Like it is such
an underrated fan experience even though it's free, Like my
kids would have more fun going to training camp probably
than an average regular season because.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
Players are happy, like there's no winner loss, and.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
You can actually see them.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Now you don't get Jordan Love riding your bike everywhere,
but not everyone's Jordan Love. Not not everyone's the Packers.
The Packers is also like a very special training camp
that it is like wide open, you can tape everything.
They get the best like reporting there because they just
a lot like that's football heaven.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
This was football heaven. Bridget having you.
Speaker 3 (52:10):
Back, guys, I don't want it to end.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
Did you do a show on Wednesday? Was this your
first show back?
Speaker 3 (52:14):
I did the Insiders you didn't watch.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
I mean it's a lot of content The Insiders every day.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
I listened to NFL daily every.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Day all seasons.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
And I have a kid.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
There's there's no way that's true. There's no way that's true.
Thanks for having me on this name name the guests
this week.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
Oh, I already saw him.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
That's it for today show.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
We are got back on Friday, Aaron Aaron, I could
have told you that, well.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
That's coming up.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
Yeah, that's We're excited for him. Our guy the F
ten we'll be back, will be going over. He's in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
He's remote.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
I was like, not in my chair.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
Oh man, when when like a Jets quarterback is getting
us all worried early and traning camp.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Football is back
Speaker 5 (53:06):
Mhm
Wow, up to NFL Daily where we're trying to hold
on to that first week of training camp optimism, but
they're making it hard. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in Chris
Wesseling's podcast studio. That's what we're calling it today with
my friend Jordan rod Rieg and back after birthing a child.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Congratulations, I made it.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I'm alive. Like that is congratulations enough that I walked
out of the hospital alive.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It's Bridget Condon and yes, no, I mean Ava, your daughter.
Congratulations to her, and congratulations to you. But no, I
was congratulating you for being now a three time NFL
Daily guest.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
That's really I.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
The only thing that I did more on maternity leave
than cuddle and kiss and smother my baby is bully
Greg into letting me back on the show. That is
kind of just texted me.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
True. But look, you.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Know that now that she's three days a week, she
does have pull, So I might switch my bullying over
to Jordan.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Not a bad strategy.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
And you just got back to work, you were telling
me just on Wednesday, so you're.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Literally basically day two. I'm gonna put my phone down
here and not stock the nanny cam. This will be
the longest I've gone without stalking the nanny cam. Those
things are dangerous. Like they're great because you can know
what's going on, but like I feel like I'm invading
her privacy and I need to show.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah, I feel like they almost shouldn't exist. But that's
a conversation for another day. And Bridget is going to
be one of the many NFL Network reporters out in
the field. It is back Together weekend on NFL Network,
so we start the all day coverage of training camp
round the clock this weekend. So looking forward to seeing
you there. But Jordan, as I alluded to, off the
(01:43):
top in terms of the optimism, and this is the
time of year where like everything's great and then usually
the first few days there's always some sort of injury. Actually,
this week I've thankfully noticed there hasn't been like too
many major things, but there was on Thursday when Justin
Fields gets carted off at Jets camp.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I immediately thought, like.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Man, I've been optimistic about this team the whole offseason.
I really believe I think they're the most underrated team
in Vegas. And then I almost like felt like a
Jets fan that it was already starting again.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
It's so interesting.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
There's like a mixed response to this coming out of
that market this morning. As we're sort of following this
unfolding Justin Field's foot toe situation, like he got stepped
on at practice, they're still understanding like the severity, the timeline,
all of these things.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
But I'm seeing some reports out there.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Being like it's no big deal, they really avoided something
worse all of that, and then I'm also seeing reports
of the timeline is still unknown, the severity is still unknown.
I think if you get stepped on a practice, obviously
go get that checked out. Feet are important, but I
also think like they might have avoided something more serious.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yes, it is officially a dislocated toe, which.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Painful by the way, in giving birth. No, i've can
keep you out of month.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
It can keep you out a month too, So there's
like a a quarterback obviously needs his toe. It didn't
say what toe it is, which actually.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Didn't say the big toe though, so it said it's
not you know, it's not the big toe. So that's
one positive.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
The Jets say avoided serious injury and was Lloyd missing
significant time, But Rich Sameni and Adam schefter of ESPN
also say that it could be weeks and they're hopeful
he'll be ready for week one. So the log line
is like, they don't really know, and we're going to
see a lot of Tyrod Taylor if you're going out
to Florham Park.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So as we're talking, I googled.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I remember Brian Baldinger telling a story one time about
an NFL player with an extra toe, So of course
I did a quick Google story. It's jorted my lot.
It's not a quarterback, it's not justin fields. But man,
how lucky you had a bit. How lucky you're ahead
of it. If it's just the toe, you don't need.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I just like it. I feel for Jets fans because
why why does this happen every year? Greg?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Like again, literally Aaron Rodgers, Zach Wilson, Sam Darnold, Gino
Smith and Mark Sanchez, Chad Pennington, if you want to
go really far back, all had injuries during training camps.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
As like starting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
The Broadway is built unbroke up.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I'm not going to get freaked out though, because if
he is ready for week one, it's not the bigger deal.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
But it is a toe problem. But it's now you
you know how crazy New York is as a market,
and like, now it's just one more thing that's putting
pressure on this organization, and it's like, oh my god,
could we have just had a great camp where Justin
Fields went out there and maybe quieted down some people
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
You haven't talked this much about feet since Rex Ryan
was there. Hey, okay, I promise I have some actual
response to your great analysis. I feel if my chair
is slowly sinking. I don't know if you've noticed this.
I've actually suck several inches since we've started.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
That is a great advertise, as long as you don't
put your foot up on the table and show us
your toes. Oh my god, I did that.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I think I've blocked another former Jets quarterback who was
not with them at the time.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
You know, I feel like Rex was ahead of the
game because now they always joke about his foot fetish
on the ESPN shows. I believe like that was back
when it was almost like, oh, this is really risky,
and now everyone's so sex positive, like.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, like only fans is he on? Everyone making so
money to fans to fans to pay for dacare.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
By the way Tyra Taylor is one of the most
talented and best backup quarterbacks in the league. If you
were just playing one game tomorrow, he actually might be
a better option than Justin Fields. But that's not a
great thing because I think Justin Fields, more than just
about any other quarterback in a brand new offense, could
really use as much time as possible, and Tyrod Taylor
(05:34):
has proven, despite my love for Tyrod Taylor, that he
can only stay healthy for like one or two regular
season games at a time. At this point of his
career one of the oldest players in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
One of the things that I do like about the
way they've built that Quarterbacks Room out is you don't
have to stop installing the parts of your offense that
you want to run around and through justin fields. It
sounds like some of even some of the triple option stuff,
some of the have your personnel stuff that they want
to do. Tyrad Taylor is also more than capable of
doing that, has the experience, so it's not like you're
(06:04):
losing valuable install time or practice time as he's out.
I'm really finding a hard time criticizing or being.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Worried about much Jet stuff.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Maybe because it was so rock bottom just see care
or so ago.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
But I mean, we've seen how important training camp is
for quarterbacks in new systems, and I understand you. He
can still be in the training room and learning the
playbook and things like that, but like getting the rhythm
down with his pass catchers, like that is what we're
losing here, Like that was part of the reason with
Aaron Rodgers, right, Like he didn't have enough time with
(06:38):
them right once he got injured to like really figure
things out. And I think that's what the Jets were
hoping for, Like let's start new, Let's get this guy in,
let's build a foundation, let's build camaraderie between the guys.
And now it's like what was that day one? Day two,
and we're already like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Let's just rattle through some other items. Hasn't been a
ton of huge news before we get to a new
segment that weird. The corridor of uncertainty love it. And
this is a term that is part of the cricket lexicon.
I know nothing about the sport of cricket. I just
heard it referred to in context of a cricket conversation.
(07:16):
The corridor of uncertainty, and I thought that's an amazing
sports term, and I don't want to know really exactly
what it means when it comes to cricket. Right our
own definition, all it would take would be like fifteen
seconds on Google or Wikipedia. But no, I don't want
to know. I'm sure our listeners will will tell us
if we're using it. But the corridor of uncertainty is
coming up. But first we're going to do the first
(07:37):
round corner.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
You know how I know you're a boomer real quick
because you said you're going to look it up on
Wikipedia or Google. Like if you were a millennial or
gen X, you would say, gen Z, you're gonna chat GPTA.
Oh no, no, no, no, no, but chet, I'm a
bad millennial. Honestly, I think nobody uses Wikipedia or Google.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Let's normalize shaming anyone that uses chat be cheapt for anything,
like as a moral clip this, you're going to be.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Loving chat GPT. I will shake on it. You're gonna
text me game be like, oh my god, Chat just
wrote my entire nutrition plan.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Moral stance against it. No, why ABT No, I'm done
with you. And by the way, you skip right past
you sound like.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
The people who didn't, and they would have been billionaires
now had they.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, but they're all creeps, Like they're like among the
worst people in the world. Our first round corner and
that is going to be a little carousel we go
through around the league just of first round picks, making
a little bit of news and you guys can comment
on what stands out to you the most. Jahad Campbell,
the linebacker of the Eagles who fell to thirty two
in large part because teams weren't sure if he was
(08:44):
going to be ready to play this season because of
a shoulder injury, is already out there first day at camp.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
It looking really good.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Uh, he could really improve that defense and possibly even
start next to Zach Bond. Liam Cohen, the Jaguars coach,
said initially at camp, Travis Hunter is taking one or
two days on offense and one or two days on defense.
But on those days he's sitting in the meeting rooms
of the side of the football that he's not practicing on,
(09:11):
which seems very confusing. So that he's getting ready to
do both, but sooner than later he's going to be
playing and flip flopping in practice both on the same day.
It's just going to take like a week till he's
ready to do that. And then one of my favorite
picks in the draft, Walter Nolan, who is a really
talented defensive line and could be out all the way
into the regular season with a surgery that we weren't
(09:33):
aware of till they had to declare it when he
showed up for training camp. So I'm disappointed about that.
What stands out of those stories that really stinks.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
I did the reason why I did chuckle, And I
know that probably sounded insensitive upon first listen, but I
put in parentheses in our shared Google doc parentheses heartbreak
for Greg because he was your favorite player in the draft,
and he was a core piece, a young piece of
that sort of evolving defensive line mixed together veterans and
younger players who were really supposed to help bring that
Cardinals front to life this year. I love that John
(10:02):
Campbell is already on the field. I We're going to
be shaking our fists at Howie Roseman.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Why how did he do it? Again? Like you know,
because of this pick.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
At the end of the year, there's a couple other
injured guys there too. BJ o'jelari's coming off at Torney
Sale isn't ready to go ball Nichols as a defensive
lineman ready to go. So I was really excited about
their depth, but already it's being tested. Are we going
to be able to overcome our chat Chepah for sure?
I just asked Chat, should I be mad at Greg?
And he was like, no, it's just going to take
some time.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
It's not a person, It's just all it is is
a collection.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Of great great Well, Chat doesn't have to tell me
this one. I'm most excited about Travis Hunter because it's
just fascinating. We had n't then had a player like
him in a long time in the NFL, and to
see him work on both sides of the ball already
this Like he said, he'll just need a week. Oh yeah,
just a week to get ready until he's out there
doing both. As you mentioned, he's doing three days of offense,
(10:54):
two days of defense in when special teams goes with
like the defense when he's on offense. Yeah, Like it's
very complicated, but I think the incredible opportunity here is
the upside for him, right, Like, if he is really
going to be this good and I think they he
hasn't reached his full potential. Right, what these coaches can
do with him was just like a fraction in college,
and now he has the help and the training staff
(11:16):
and the resources to be a generational player. My concern
is the injury. Right when a player is playing that
many snaps on offense and defense, how how long is
that sustainable before like a major injury happens. I hope
it doesn't, right, I hope it doesn't.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Still have known too that they're sort of charting new
territory here. I know that they have new data people
over there. Jake Timmy's going to work with James Gladstone
over there to really understand.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
What this workload is. What it looks like.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
They've been talking to the Dodgers about Shoayotani. I think
they're dabbling into other sports where players play multiple positions
at every level. It's super interesting to me. And one
thing about Travis Hunter, you mentioned this bridge. It's really
cool now. He was an academic all am right, and
and also he played at altitude, So I'm like, I
(12:06):
love the confidence of him saying yeah, I'll have it,
I'll have the routine down, Like I just need to
do the job in order to know how to do
the job. And like, I love that mindset. I love
that mentality because he physically, I mean, he's a unicorn,
and but he also is a unicorn who trained at
altitude and absolutely has the acumen to be able to
under like just comprehend the magnitude of what's ahead of him.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
And when you want to know why he's leaning a
little more into the offense, A he I think has
more to learn there according to them. But b when
they line up in three wide receiver sets and he's
on defense, it's Parker Washington and Diami Brown with their
all World receiver Brian Thomas, it's not a great group.
I mean, you put Hunter there and move those two
guys down a spot each, it suddenly looks a lot better.
(12:51):
Going to the quarterback battles. Spencer Rattler was first up
in team reps. For what It's worth, which is not
which is not a ton. Our friend Andrew Siciliano had
like a Instagram video today it's like, don't overreact to
the first day, like the order. I get that Kenny
Pickett got all the first team reps in Cleveland, but
they said They're going to be switching it up day
by day, so you can't really judge it just on
(13:11):
one day. But after a couple of days, people saying,
like Radler does get the ball out of his hands
a little quicker. I do think that year in the
NFL is gonna help him. I'm already buying that he
has like a slightly bigger chance than I thought to
win that job.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
What about the Cleveland grouping bridget it.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Just it's kind of shocking to see the backlash maybe
of Shad or Sanders, like I know that we saw
it online of like the kind of person he is
and he fell in the draft and things like that.
But I thought he was going to because of that,
go out in training camp and be lights out right
like cutrely. You guys didn't.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
But he had a bad first day or something.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Okay, right, But again, like as we mentioned earlier, when
something goes wrong, all the pressure is going to be
that much more intense on him. It's just it's so
interesting with Cleveland because you have four quarterbacks and not
an answer, and for Kenny Pickett to be the one
taking first team snaps, like I get it. I mean,
Joe Flacco is what forty years old up there? If
(14:05):
you think he uses chat GPT, uh No, I don't
know that he knows. I don't think it's came across
his Facebook page yet. Like GPT exists, but you know
who uses it, Chaud or Sanders. Maybe he should use
less chat GPT and actually go out there and practice
a little more. Anyways, Flacco, he has the experience, but
he's aging. Pick it unproven, Gabriel mid round pick what
(14:27):
do we know about him? Not sure? Should or Sanders?
He's exciting, but he didn't. I don't know he's wrong talent.
He's exciting because he's going to bring the fans if
he goes out there, like he has so many followers,
like whether it's good or bad, he's going to bring
the attention and if he's good, that's great for the
fan base.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
It might be a negative.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
That might be a negative when it comes to the
coaching staff of they don't want that sort of smoke or.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Oh yeah, what are they?
Speaker 4 (14:50):
What can they possibly complain about with attention at this point,
as long as it's diverting from the mill multi million
dollar and guarantee elephant in the room. I have a
theory that part of the Shaduur draft, not only because
I do think he has tools. I think he's tradesy.
I said on this show that he reminds me of
(15:11):
a way, way, way, way way back, over a decade
and a half ago, version of what we would see
from an early, early, early Kirk Cousins. And that's why
I like how he fits in this type of scheme.
I like his traits. I think he's got a lot
of upside. I'm probably higher than most people were through
the draft process, and most people are still on him.
I'm also higher on Dylan Gabriel. He throws on time.
(15:33):
He's like Tuo but shorter, Like that's really the comp here.
And so I'm sitting there and I'm like, I cannot
wait to see these younger guys start getting more opportunities
and more reps. And one of my theories was, Hey,
this is a total attention cleanse yes, go pay attention
to Shitter Sanders and Dylan Gabriel, for the love of God,
pay attention to anything else other than everything that's festering
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for years in that building.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
That assumes there's some sort of plan other than the
owner just stepping in. In round five, and being like
take take Sanders, you no longer have a choice, just
like with Deshaun Watson back in the day. But that's
just a guess. A couple other little items. Was scared
about this news when we heard about it on Wednesday,
but we weren't sure, so I wanted to wait for
an update. Dolphins offensive lineman Bayron Mattos has movement in
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all his extremities after being airlifted from the Dolphins practice
on Wednesday. That's all the information we have, but at
least it's trending presumably towards positive, so that that's good
for him. The forty nine ers very thin at cornerback
they I mean at wide receiver rather, they have no
unhealthy There a guy named Jacob Cowen who was getting
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a lot of like pop and fantasy circles. It was
a deep threat last year and could be as high
as like wide receiver two for them based on like
all the injuries. Hurt his hamstring right away in training
camp and so they were.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Basically down to Juwan jennimals. That's a good question, what's it?
What the hamstring?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
In general, there's like more soft tissue injuries now early
in camp that's.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Part of the rover they try to they start young
ramp up.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I don't know, because that's one of the big reasons
why the ramp up period is and why the first
few days of camp are so slow in theory, but
it doesn't seem to help that much. The Dolphins lost
some of their cornerback depth with Ardie Burns. He is
believed to have a torn acl Kyle Pitts, which we
didn't know how he was looking because he missed most
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of the offseason, is practicing fully, taking a lot of
wide receiver snaps.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
The cycle begins a new.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
The Seahawks Uchenna Nuosu could be out all the way
into the regular season. That's a starter, a good pass
rusher for them. But they do have their running back,
the Seahawks Ken Walker back, which is really good. And
then finally, Matt Lafleur revealed at Packers practice Thursday that yes,
Nathaniel Hackett is back in the league.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I'm my name is Nathaniel Hackett.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Thanks, It's nice to see you out here. It just
I just some happier. I feel like he deserves to
be happy and deserves a I just fly around like
a butterfly.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Like he deserves to fly around like a butterfly. You know,
it's a Peter Principal thing, like he wasn't supposed to
be a head coach, maybe not even a coordinator. But
it's good to just see Nathaniel Hackett back where he belongs.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I'm happy he's happy. But it's just interesting. It's like
how I walked back into the studio. Hey, y'all, how
you do it? You don't I can't even like say
this because you don't understand the trend because you're not
on the socials. So never mind. But anyone listening, if
you know what I'm saying, It's like when you walk
back in after being away.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
For a while.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I'm I'm on too much social I would say, I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Fiasco. There's are very different.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Now there's this two twitters essentially, which was not what
I wanted, and then Instagram. But yeah, that's it. That's
that you're not on the talk. I'm not on TikTok no,
all right, forgot or Facebook. I've never had a Facebook.
I me just meant, you know, so maybe that that
means something.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
That's actually kind of crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Maybe I did that was a lie I did for
like three months. Then I just deleted do you have
my No? I never had MySpace either. That was before
my time?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Was it for your band? Was your Facebook page for
your band?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
No?
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I just like felt like the general social pressure that
just that everyone was doing it, And I was like,
this is stupid.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
You given uh no, wait but you said MySpace was
before your time. I had a MySpace.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
I had a MySpace. You can code it HTML, code
it yourself, and you could do your top eight friends.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
We should do. That's what a segment should be my Space,
your top eight friends. But your top eight and I
took and you know what, you know what has to
go with that. You used to get to put like
a song so when people visited your profile, the song
would automatically play. So it could be like, here's your
top eight and the song is like, I don't know,
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something from cold Play or Yellow Card.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I was.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
I had Yellow Card on you know down on the Yeah,
did you see my Instagram?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Okay, I thought you were just saying that. Also, I
was like, wait, no, I used to listen to the
Yellow Card.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Multiple people used to listen to Yellow I feel like
it was niche.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Everyone's putting like school R and bn O.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I I grew up in like Desert Rat Warp Tour, Yes,
swop yellow did you.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Used to wear the bracelets like the black They weren't
like hair elastics, but they were kind of like I
never did I talking about I had checks and sides. Okay,
sorry that was my aesthetic. Guys, I'm trying to be
a regular on the show. I need to keep it together.
That Greg, you should write that down.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Warp to No.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
That was popping, you know, even when I was in
high school, so that lasted a while my Space.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
You're right.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I was definitely not too young for my Space. I
was in my early twenties. I don't feel like I
was that Internet.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I just wasn't.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Nobody in ties well I'm talking about is going to
care about this? And I want to shout them out.
When I did the play Caller series, my sound guy
on that Kent Garrison, brilliant, brilliant human. He was in
the band Forever The Sickest Kids. I was like, do
we work together now? I think I think I snuck
into Warp Tour to see your band.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Like, all right, that's the news. Let's take a quick break.
We we'll be back with the quarter of uncertainty.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Sorry, welcome.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
To the corridor of uncertainty, a cricket term we don't
really know about.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
We're not going to check chot gpt on anything.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Just something that you're entering this season, and I think
we need to embrace that as a society of how
much uncertainty there really is around us, how little we
actually do know. But something that really stands out to
you going into this season that you just don't know
about you. You're not picking one side, you're not being skeptical,
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you're not the only other. You just you just don't know.
Why don't we start off with.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
You, Jordan, ooh exciting? Yeah, So my corridor of uncertainty.
And I like that this is neither a good or
bad thing because I'm genuinely fascinated by the Seattle Seahawks
offense this year and what it's going to look like.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
I don't really doubt the defense.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
I think they're going to be very very good the
end of the year, extremely well last year, and this
system under Mike McDonald often takes a little bit of time,
but they to me fast tracked that pace last year.
Clint Kubiak, what has he learned from his time with
the Saints. Are there other levels of other evolutions of
this offense? The Saints started out so strong and then
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completely fell off a cliff, So what now sustains this
moving forward? Jackson Smith in jigbut and Cooper Cup kind
of similar players, But how are they going to figure
out ways to play them in complimentary roles? You know this,
Sam Darnold is a corridor of uncertainty all to himself career, Yes,
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but he's owned that so well, which is great.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
The offensive line. Have they done enough to fix the
offense line?
Speaker 4 (22:55):
I think it's so great that they have Ken Walker back.
A really good running back does not fix an offensive line.
Vice versa has to be the case. So this is
pads go on next week for these guys, and I
love that we're going to keep learning about this team
and this completely overhauled identity all in one off season.
On the offensive side, I'm fascinated by this and it's
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just they're interesting to me.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
They're one of the teams that you feel like you
have a good sense of what the defense is going
to be, which is not normally how the NFL is.
The offenses are more consistent year to year and I
know it's only a year two, Mike McDonald, and yet
with that personnel and that coach and the way they finished,
I feel like we know and you're absolutely right, like
the variance of what this offense could be. It could
be bottom ten, it could be top ten if everything.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, goes well.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
And I don't know what I would comp it to,
right because Kubiak, we know the system that he came
out of, and we know the coaching tree and all
of that. He ran what was a very Kubiak coded
version of this offense at the beginning of his time
in New Orleans last season.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
But it has to change.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
And there's also a mishmash of really tenured personnel in
that offensive coaching staff and really interesting ideas, and so
how is this going to move forward and become what
are we what are we going to see from Clint specifically,
like who is this person and how is he going
to do something different that will put defenses on a
back foot versus being solved very quickly in the season.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
And I think we forget that. Sam Darnold at a
certain point of last season was in the conversation for MVP.
He had a bad game, and it came at the
worst possible time, when they were the last game of.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
The Sea.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
I would go ahead and disagree.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
But I'm a hater.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
You are a haters getting like.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
A vote where you get vote, sir?
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Ye Like he okay, he was better than twenty five quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I'll put him.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
I'll put him more than halfway better.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
I want quarterback come on a quarterback island. He need
to come on quarterback Island. I'll start texting him tonight,
but begging. No, but let me let me say my point.
I do have brain here, not just milk. Okay, let
me stop scaring people.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
No, but seriously, Sam Donald has a lot of potential.
And I remember I covered the playoff game rams Vikings,
and I was talking to a lot of his teammates
and they were like, this guy has just been overlooked
time and a time, and he didn't do well in
that playoff game. But I think that there is a
huge upside and I think he'll do well in a
system that wants him. Right, they went out and they
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got Sam Darnold. He was kind of like awkwardly there
in Minnesota, and like JJ McCarthy was supposed to be
the guy, and then he wasn't the guy, Like I
feel like he wasn't fully comfortable and I'm excited to see.
Like you said, there's a lot of uncertainty what his
upside can be, and I think we're going to be surprised.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I like that you brought up with the receiver because
I do feel like I know who JSN is at
this point of his career. Jackson Smith think jig but
he's getting better and better. But dude, does he really
compliment Cooper Cup And then the rest of the group
like it's pretty.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yeah, they have to wide open.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, they got rid of your boy, Noah Fan. You
know they there's not as many receivers there. Jake Bobo
is maybe like heavily involved. It's a lot of uncertainty.
I would be I would be anxious, But I think
it's a great point that they know they need to make.
Like Sam Donald and this entire regime, John Schneider and
Mike McDonald, like they are now tied at the hip
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despite what Sam Donald's contract. They're trying to like have
it both ways that they could get rid of them
out of this year.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
But to me, they're all kind of tied at the
hip they got to make this work.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah, I think it's interesting. I think like.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
When they really to your point about no Fan, I'm
so glad you brought up no Fan, Greg, thank you
for that. When they released him earlier this week, it
was clear, like you could see on paper what was
super clear. They're trying to increase competition for the guys
behind him. They drafted Elijah Royo in the second round,
and then they already had a couple guys there that
they're trying to compete for this job because they need
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to figure out who tight ends one and two are
because they're going to need two good ones in this
Kubiak offense. And then also they're going to need to
figure out receiver three and how the layers between js
and and Cooper cups stacked together.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
You can have two orbital guys that play that.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Sort of x F type of role and rotate around
each other almost like a solar system around the quarterback,
but you.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Have to have a really clear cohesive.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Plan for how two similar players can actually functionally do
that and all the rest of the pieces around them
as well. And I think that this coaching staff and
this team really summed up our feelings of uncertainty as again,
neither a negative or a positive, just uncertain and no
better way than how Mike McDonald actually answered the Noah
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fan question, which was total uncertainty.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
In my vote, we love Noah wors than the best,
but we also love the guys that are still here
and they know what's at stake, and it's going to
be a lot of fun watching that competition of the
tight End Room. What ream we did? We released them
a few days ago.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
We I'm not gonna tell you exactly.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Why reasons just lyle I love it, Like that's just
that just sums it up.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
He's like five percent more comfortable in front of the
microphone this year than he was a year ago, which
is still well below like the median of NFL head coach.
There's just something about him that I.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Just love it.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
He said, I'm not going to tell you, and it's
like we're gonna, we're gonna see it. We're gonna watch
them show their work, and I like that about them
as an uncertain team.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Love that choice. We have a little breaking news as
we're taping this show. Aaron Rodgers has been intercepted on
this very phone.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
My god, I thought you were going to say injured.
You said that team drills.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
That's just bad vibes. I'm a hater.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Caleb Williams was intercepted on his first throw of team
drills too. There is something about and it's really more
the first play of the season that I'm with. There
is something about first place. I do think that's a
bad only for these teams like these. You spend the
whole you spend the whole off season getting ready. They
make a choice like here's the first play we're going
to do with the practice, and then it's an interception.
It's just bad juju. All right, I'm gonna go to
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my choice for the quarridor of uncertainty, one of them,
and you would make me go last. You can go
twice in a row if you want. You know, there's
no worry about the order. I'll go last. I am
very uncertain about the certainty of who the best teams
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are in the NFL and how much consistency there has
been and it's a real trend and that everyone assumes
there will be moving forward.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
And by that I mean the three big teams in the.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
AFC with the great quarterbacks, the Chiefs, the Bills and
the Ravens, and then I would also throw, now you know,
the Eagles and the Lions into that mix. And I
think if you asked, like twenty people, who are the
best four teams in the NFL, it's gonna be those
first four. You ask another twenty, I think they'd all
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say the Lions are probably fifth. Maybe there's an order,
and it's just not how the NFL usually works, having
you know, covered it way since the days of Facebook
and when boomers were at it.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Like there used to be someone there uncertainty.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Boomers roamed the yearth.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Like great teams usually didn't stay great that consistently. There
was the Patriots, and there was there was Peyton Manning
like racking up his regular season wins, but it usually
wasn't like this much year after year after year. And
so this assumption that all these teams and I'm not
there's not a team among them that I'm pointing at
and saying like they're not going to be the team
that's good. But there's something about all the certainty that's like, okay,
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pencil those teams into the playoffs that I'm uncertain about.
That's just not how professional football is supposed to work.
At some point, this consistency is gonna fall apart a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
So I had to ask chat GPT who the best
four teams are so that I had a talking point.
Now this let me go on the record to say
somebody's gonna get caught this season on a podcast or
a talk show or whatever for not having preparing and asking,
because the problem is is it pulls from random articles
and it doesn't fact check.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
It's just it's just like Google search that bridge content.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Can I tell you the results? First it said Kansas
City Chiefs, Okay, fine, Then it said San Francisco because
of Debo, Yeah, Deebo's not on the team anymore.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Chat GBT, you prove it.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
No, no.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
But then I said fact check this, you dummy, and
he said Eagles, Ravens, Bills Chiefs. Yeah, exactly what you said.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
So I don't There's just something that makes me uncomfortable
about an extremely predictable NFL if you look like look
at the AFC Divisional round last year was the exact
same as the year before. Those three teams I mentioned,
and then the Texans were back again and they are
the favorites again in the nfcon. Even if you look
at the NFC, it's the Eagles who have basically been there,
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it's the Lions who have now kind of established themselves
at that team. It's it's the Rams, who you know,
have been around and the commanders were like, wow, see
there's one surprising team. Like, that's not how it's supposed
to go. I need I need this to be shaken
up a little more.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Yeah, but I liked your point that you made at
the very beginning of this segment, where you were talking
about if you would ask twenty people, they would probably
all have different opinions, Like I have a different opinion
about who I think the best teams are.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
I think the Bucks should be in there.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Okay, I think the My point was everyone saying the
same four teams.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
That's that's But I to you, well, I have the
reverse opinion. I think that this is a while we
think that these teams because they actually went out and
did the thing last year. Yes, of course we're penciling
them in to the top of our list.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
That's a natural thing to do.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
But I actually think if I'm looking at the future
and again not factoring injuries in for any of these teams.
I'm still putting the Eagles on the top. I'm still
putting the Chiefs on the top. They're one with the
quarterback with Pat Mahomes too. It's just the most best
built team in football. I'm looking at the long term
with all the current injuries, not future injuries, and the
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coordinator turnover. Maybe would bump the Lions down a little bit.
Also one of the best built teams in football. I
think the Bucks are one of the best built teams.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
You'd have them ahead of the Chiefs or the Ravens
or who am I forgetting the Bills.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
I would have the Bucks. I would have the Bucks
above the Lions, but not above the Raves.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Okay, so they get into the five spot, and.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
I think the Rams are up there too.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
It just used to know.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
You're all shocked to hear that. Now it just used
to be. Don't get me started on the Bengals. I'm
like a Bengals stand. I have no reason why. I
have no that at a show. Actually, you should talk
nicely about them, No, I'm just I, Oh, you guys,
don't buy into it. Like I think Joe Burrow is
one of the best quarterbacks of our time. Sure, and
I think like he's just one injury free season away
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from winning the Super Bowl. I understand that their team,
they've lost a lot of good talent, but I think
he's a kind of guy like a Patrick Mahomes that
can completely change a season because of his talent regardless
of who's on the field, Like he can make the
most of what's there. He just needs to stay healthy.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yeah, they and Vegas agrees with you, like and like
the advanced analytics places like we're gonna have Aaron shots
on from FTN Almanac, like they all have the Bengals
right behind these these top teams. But yeah, they The
thing is, they really have done it. It's not just
that we've been penciling in and they've been like those
three teams in the AFC and certainly the Eagles in
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the lines the last two years, their rise has been
have been extraordinarily almost historically consistent in a way that
just teams that weren't piloted by like Tom Brady or
Peyton Manny just haven't been over the last twenty years.
So we'll see if that gets the apple cart gets
upset at all. Right, you're up bridge it.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Verry Boomer thing to say, apple Cart gets up there?
Can you explain that for us back in the old day?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
I'll ask chat later. All right, So what I have
coming to you? I'm waiting for the music. Come on,
come on, do what we don't know? This season is
yet to be found out. You listen though daily and
we'll tell you the answers. But for now, coming from
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July twenty fourth, this is what we're uncertain about.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
It's the Chiefs, those red and yellow chiefs Andy with
the cheeseburger, Patrick Mames.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
I'm not gonna say he should be charged, Okay for that,
all right, you should be charging. I'm answering about the
wide receiver roote okay, okay for she Rice. Are we
allowed to talk about it?
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I mean he's expected to be suspended after being found guilty.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
You know, okay, he's expected to serve jail time.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
At this point, I didn't know what we can okay,
so you said that.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I mean it's officially reported.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
The answer questions I don't like to speak Xavier Worthy,
what's he going to do in year two? And then
Jalen Royals the twenty twenty four twenty twenty five fourth
round pick, he's getting first team reps as they're evaluating
the depth. But I'm I'm I'm concerned a little bit.
But I fear to say that I'm concerned because it's
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the same conversation every off season with Chiefs. Who's Patrick
Mahomes gonna throw to? I guess Travis Kelcey slimmed down,
he got some hair, he's I mean, he's in the
Taylor world. He's doing great, Like he's a he's gonna hair?
What is it? I mean, his hair is just even
better than before. Oh, it was like, did he purchase
some man yead? We're trying to get Jordan to Bays
maybe Travis can no. But is Worthy going to take
that enough? Is it enough?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Is Worthy going to take the leap? Is Royals? Like?
Is he going to be their guy in the future?
Like is he gonna step up big and be a
fourth round pick Pukinakua type guy?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I don't know, right, I mean, they have a second
round pick that they tried to shoehorn over and over
into opportunities that's still on the roster sky More that
I don't even think necessarily makes his team. So there's
no guarantee even if it's Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes
that he's going to turn these guys. I do think
because of bringing Hollywood Brown back, which I thought was
a nice quiet like re signing for a little bit
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of money. I'm always defending Hollywood Brown as like a
useful NFL player, that their wide receiver position is in
better shape than it has been. I think, assuming Rice
you know, is back this season, I assume that if
he gets suspended, it'll be probably half the season at most.
I think it's in better shape than the last few years,
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at least the last Really, since the post Tyreek Hill trade,
I feel better about it, and I think their team
build is really interesting to think about because I think
they're just counting on offensive line. Plus Patrick Mahomes is
going to make these guys better. But I do think
these guys are a bunch of like good potential two
slash threes, and Worthy has has a nice ceiling he
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did produce at the end of last year.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
It looks like to me that they're really looking at
explosive plays and team speed. Patrick Mahomes has been shrunk
down because of the shells that defenses play against him,
and he's forced to take the underneath stuff. They're forced
get real. Andy Reid has the best screen game in
the entire league. They're support to get really creative with
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their screens and all of the different underneath layers that
they can build. You started to see, especially at the
end of the season, and I know half of America
turned off the Super Bowl in like the second quarter,
but you could see that there were some real explosive
plays to be had by Xavier Worthy. And I just
think that he is going to be a really, really
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fascinating player for them. And I think that they're going
for again like this speed and really attempting to poke
a needle in the bubble that these defenses are playing
over them. And so I think they're trying to build
around him, like who is going to become the name?
To your point, you listed some players who really could
become the compliment to him. If you have these two
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speed rockets going down the field, who is going to
draw attention underneath so that those guys get more isolated coverage.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
I just think that's what you see.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
You see Andy Reid's like beautiful mind war is basically
he's like, I need a puncture, a guy who can
puncture the bubble and that's what I think he's trying
to do.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
To your point, Bridget, this was the exact storyline from
last camp was we need.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
To go deep.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
It is every year, but especially like the We'd now throat.
It's Patrick Mahomes getting his like groove back by throwing,
you know, using his arm again. And that was everything
all last August. And then he had six point eight
yards per attempt, which is like, which is like Alex Smith,
not even with the Indy Raid. It was like Alex
Smith in San Francisco. It's kind of shocking that Patrick
Mahomes and his prime is averaging six point eight yards
(39:33):
per attempt.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
It's it's it's a little criminal.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
It kind of though, goes back to like the good
old Patriots and like, sorry for bringing it up, but
like Tom Brady who was Julianettoman before Tom Brady came around.
Like I feel like they you're gonna say something, but
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
They like a can't state quarterback or something.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yeah, but like you know what I'm saying, Like he
didn't have these flashy players like you look at we
talk about the Ravens, we talk about the Bengals. They
have these flashy guys. Those great quarterbacks don't necessarily need
to like they make them flashy by helping them drag
them along with them. I like, maybe it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
I am fascinating because I would love to see. Now
I've now seen a bat like a boring ish Chiefs
offense long enough that even though I like like upheaval
and you know, the Chiefs being this good this every
year is on some level, you get a little tired
of it. Like I'm ready to see an exciting Chiefs
offense again. I'm ready to see like Patrick Mahomes earn
(40:33):
that like number two spot in the best players of
the last twenty five years.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
So bring it on.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
I'm with it all right, let's you know, I make
click on. I'm making a change. I said you were
going to go twice in a row, but this doesn't make sense.
So we'll go Jordan and then back to Bridge.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Yeah, and this one's really quick too.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
I have uncertainty, uh, in a good way, because I'm
excited to see the thought process here. It could go
very well for some of these guys. It could go
horrifically badly for some of these guys who are first
year head coaches Aaron Glenn, Ben Johnson, Kellen Moore, Brian Schottenheimer,
and Liam Cohen. And the interesting thing I want to
point out about all but one of these coaches is
(41:10):
that they hired very, very experienced defensive coordinators. Steve Wilks
is with the Jets, Dennis Allen is with the Bears,
Brandon Staley is with the Saints, Matty Verflus is with
the Cowboys. But Liam Cohen, also a first year head
coach and an offensive minded head coach, hired Anthony Campanelli.
And to his credit, Anthony Campinelli is a experienced defensive
(41:31):
assistant coach but has.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Never been a coordinator at the NFL level.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
And I'm really curious to see how this works because
it seemed like a lot of these first year guys
also reflected on their own corridors of uncertainty. What don't
I know about this job, what don't I know about
doing this? And what do I need taking off my
plate by somebody who can manage a defense like its
own ecosystem?
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yeah, and like Ben Johnson, for instance, has Dennis Allen
doing that?
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Done that a long time?
Speaker 1 (42:01):
It did hit me this week as like we had
another trope alairt of Ben Johnson, you know, taking his
offense off the field, just like he did in the
off season. But basically they couldn't. Their operation was struggling,
so he took them off the field. And then this
Jets thing happened this morning with Justin Fields, and it
did occur to me with these two Lions assistance, like
which is stronger the optimism and the organization of these
(42:24):
former Lions coordinators or just like the history.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
And vibes of this Bears and Jets.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
I have to tell you though, like I'm curious what
you guys thoughts are, Like, I don't mind that, No,
that's great. I love I love that everybody can get it.
If you are with the Chicago Bears, you will walk
around the corner and get chewed out by something if
you are not doing in it in the correct way,
by either Ben Jonson or Dennis Allen.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Like, this is not a warm, fuzzy situation.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
Despite having come out of the Dan Campbell coaching tree
at this point, the more I hear trickle out about
the Bears last season, there's no accountability anywhere on the
football side, top to bottom, players everyone, and so I
think this is like, you know, like a really good
cleanse or like the first workout back after like being
gone or away for a while. It hurts like a mother,
(43:15):
but it's worth it.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
You need it.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
It's like when you're a substitute teacher and you got
to walk in and you're like really strict and the
kids scare you. But then like day two, day three,
you can loosen up. Like that's what has to happen
in Chicago. Like he needs to come in and I
love that he took the offense off the field and
was like, nah, you're wrong, get the get the heck off,
Like you need to come in and lay the foundation
and say this is how we're doing stuff. Because if
you come in trying to be their best friend, trying
to be all happy like Dan Campbell, I don't believe.
(43:41):
Is Dan Campbell what we saw the jokey ha ha ha,
Like I don't think that's how he started it right,
Like he'll do that when things are going good it's easier,
but like he yeah, like he's the guy out there
doing push ups with them, Like that's what Ben Johnson
is trying to install in Chicago, Like this is how
we're going to do things. You sucked forever, So we're
gonna fix it. Like if you want change, like this
(44:02):
is how it happens.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Love that, and uh, I'm gonna love this next one. Okay,
it's second quarter of uncertainty.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Tap a lot of questions.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Right down the road from that little white house with
a Capitol building not too far a new stadium looming
in the city of Washington.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
D C.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Jaden Daniels and the Washington Commanders took the world by
storm at the end of the season, Hail Mary's and Hello's.
But can they continue? Can the offense succeed without him running?
We saw what happened with C. J. Stroud in his
year too. Is Jaden Daniels going to have the same
impact or is Cliff Kingsbury gonna do his magic in
(44:48):
the off season. We saw what he did with Patrick Mahomes.
We saw him what he did with Kyler Murray in
the beginning and wasted them both. Can Ken he do
this same with Jayden Daniels. The blueprint is built, but
can they execute it at an elite level? Look, he's
going to go into these defenses. They now have tape
(45:09):
on him. They have a year worth of tape in
the beginning in your rookie year, you can get away
with a little bit more because people aren't sure what
to expect from you. I want him to be great.
Let me put that out there. I'm just a little
like he's one one injury away. He is so mobile,
he uses his legs so much. Can they succeed if
he's not doing that? And how much is how long
(45:29):
is that going to be sustainable?
Speaker 1 (45:30):
I think it's a great thing to point out that
the first month of the season, I'm fascinating yea and
uncertain to see what this offense looks like because it
will be a two point zero version of it. Now
his legs are going to be a massive part of it.
I don't think that's going away.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
It shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
It's just super POWERU.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
It's just how and how that evolves, how that changes,
like it did for Lamar Jackson, for instance. They were
just like different different stages. So I'm really fascinated to
see that my last corridor of uncertainty.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
That's it, all right?
Speaker 5 (46:02):
Bye?
Speaker 1 (46:03):
What okay, wellie, we spent like thirty minutes, We've done
forty five already, okare you guys? Hey, let me just
pack up I think it's like one of the most
uncertain quarterback I no know, keep going in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (46:20):
I see what you did.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
You sandwiched me into the middle so we could skip over.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
I just realized we've been hollering's yours? What's yours?
Speaker 2 (46:26):
It's Jordan Love.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Oh cool, all right, guys, have a good show.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
A guy who like like Jayden Daniels to me is
more certain at this point. And yet Jordan loved. How
long has he been in the NFL? What you wanted
to talk more about Jaden.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
Daniels, I'm backing you go for it.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
At some point, we just got to move.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
Tell me about Jordan good name, great name. He should
have the U though.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
He is a guy I've always watched like PFF's charting
isn't perfect, but they do have a category that NFL
teams use similar grading when they have the big time
throws and the turnover where he plays like those are
the plus plus plays that NFL teams use in grading,
and it's similar. And I always check that with Jordan
Love because to me, he is a boomer bus quarterback.
(47:12):
And yet if you really watch, like last year, he
really wasn't I think people have this idea of him
throwing off the back foot and a gunslinger like. If anything,
I think they have really struggled to figure out how
to turn the dials of how much risk he should
take or how much risk he shouldn't take, and how
he operates and how he just does what he's asked
(47:34):
to do or how much he freelances. It was too
turned too far the other way that he was kind
of a boring quarterback last year. There weren't a lot
of big time throws. There weren't a lot of turnover
worthy plays either. He was just kind of in the middle.
And it gets me thinking in general his career, I
feel like he's never really found that balance, and that
makes me incredibly uncertain because I think he went something
(47:56):
like five six straight games before that playoff game without
a turnover worthy play. He was playing it very safe,
and in that game was a disaster where he had
four of them where he's making bad decisions, bad throws
over and over against the Eagles, And for that to
be the way he goes into his office. He just
to me like he could be an MVP someday or
(48:19):
he could be like a below average quarterback and I
don't really, I'm not like totally sure which one he's
going to be.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
I feel like year three is the year when we
see the quarterbacks either do what you're saying, like take
that next jump or And I know he's not in
year three, but this will be his third year starting,
and I think it's going to be a lot. We're
going to find out a lot about what his career
is going to be this season.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
Some of that's a push pull with the play caller too.
I mean you have to think about it with mattle
Floor too. He went from coaching and trying to build
it like the Compromise offense between himself and Rogers, where
they basically sat over zoom on the playbook and said, Okay,
you like this, I like this, and let's how can
we mash him together?
Speaker 3 (48:56):
And then Aaron Rodgers go out there and change stuff anyway.
Speaker 4 (48:59):
And then now you're a play caller and you're like, Okay,
now I've got a quarterback and I'm going to see
if I can get him to do the things that
I want to do and avoid risk, right, And then
now I think you're watching that the play caller has
to grow a little bit too. If he wants to
kind of unleash the full power and potential of what
Jordan Love can be.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
And some of those.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
Like high reward throws, Sure there could be risk involved,
but the high reward throws as well and sort of
expand his arsenal a little bit in that regard, Like
I think you have to grow with the quarterback, you
have to mold with the quarterback, versus kind of vacillating
one way or the other.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
Too far.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
I don't think he's he didn't look like a comfortable
quarterback necessarily for and I just think of his career
so far and it feels like this is his third year,
but I still do think of it a little bit
as his fifth year. I mean, you got to give
he was in the league for two years before he
got a chance to play, and he's figuring it out.
And if you love quarterback play, it's hard not to
love watching this guy. I don't know if Aaron Rodgers
(49:57):
ever like totally settled on like those levers of how
free to play and how not like that was a
challenge for him, and at points it made him look
like maybe the best quarterback of all time. And I
don't know if I don't think Love can get there,
but I think he can have some like insane seasons.
And yet I'm not sure who he is, very uncertain,
but I do know he you know, he's very lovable.
Speaker 4 (50:19):
Yeah, I know that a lot of NFL fans do.
Know about this really cool thing that the Packers do.
It's called the Dream Drive, where a bunch of kids
from all over Wisconsin bring their bikes to the little
pathway between the stadium and where players walk to the
practice field. It's like the coolest thing every year. It
really for me, it's the real sign of training. Camping
(50:39):
and house the best part of training camp And Jordan
Love met a young lady named Savannah and that was
whose bike he chose. And I think we have the
video of that roll Savannah.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
See if I get my feet on these pedals here
trying not to crash your bike?
Speaker 1 (50:52):
Here?
Speaker 5 (50:53):
What's up, guys, what's up? What's up?
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Let's go, let's go, I mean birthday?
Speaker 5 (51:00):
How old are you? Nine?
Speaker 4 (51:04):
Go?
Speaker 3 (51:05):
Pack?
Speaker 1 (51:05):
Go, pack?
Speaker 3 (51:06):
Go?
Speaker 1 (51:06):
What's up?
Speaker 5 (51:07):
You're going to break the bike? Bike?
Speaker 3 (51:10):
It's the room for this guy.
Speaker 4 (51:12):
Yes, the cutest thing, and it really made me think,
like this is the best time of year.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
For people who are football fans.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
You go to the training camps, you have these really
great memories. You you go with your family or in
your case, your kids. You will everybody your kids soon.
You know, it's just incredible. It's a it's a core memory.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
You're winning the super Bowl at this point of the year,
like there's nothing to complain about. Every team is going
to the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
And we yeah, we talk about this on NFL daily
and previously at around the NFL, Like it is such
an underrated fan experience even though it's free, Like my
kids would have more fun going to training camp probably
than an average regular season because.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
Players are happy, like there's no winner loss, and.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
You can actually see them.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Now you don't get Jordan Love riding your bike everywhere,
but not everyone's Jordan Love. Not not everyone's the Packers.
The Packers is also like a very special training camp
that it is like wide open, you can tape everything.
They get the best like reporting there because they just
a lot like that's football heaven.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
This was football heaven. Bridget having you.
Speaker 3 (52:10):
Back, guys, I don't want it to end.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
Did you do a show on Wednesday? Was this your
first show back?
Speaker 3 (52:14):
I did the Insiders you didn't watch.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
I mean it's a lot of content The Insiders every day.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
I listened to NFL daily every.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Day all seasons.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
And I have a kid.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
There's there's no way that's true. There's no way that's true.
Thanks for having me on this name name the guests
this week.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
Oh, I already saw him.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
That's it for today show.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
We are got back on Friday, Aaron Aaron, I could
have told you that, well.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
That's coming up.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
Yeah, that's We're excited for him. Our guy the F
ten we'll be back, will be going over. He's in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
He's remote.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
I was like, not in my chair.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
Oh man, when when like a Jets quarterback is getting
us all worried early and traning camp.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Football is back
Speaker 5 (53:06):
Mhm
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