October 31, 2025 • 36 mins
An authoritative win from the Baltimore Ravens over the Miami Dolphins on Thursday Night Football prompts Gregg Rosenthal and Nick Shook to revisit Tua Tagovailoa's contract, as well as the current NFL quarterback market as a whole. In this Week 9 TNF Recap, the NFL Daily duo hits the highlights from the night's action, before going deep into the possibilities that QBs like Tua, Kyler Murray, Trevor Lawrence and Daniel Jones find themselves in new markets next season.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Shouts out instructions off the play fake Lamar escaping a pocket,
slinky to the end zone. Touchdownravns and this time it's
a receiver Rashan Bateman. As the Ravens fans are having
a party tonight in South Florida.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Oh yeah, the Ravens fans outnumbering the Dolphins fans by
the end of this game twenty eight to six, Lamar
Jackson with four touchdowns, only five incompletions. That was Jerry
Sandusky on WBA L and sometimes shook. Yeah, the broadcasting
call is just jumping out of the seat. But that
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felt very ho hum, because, let's face it, the second
half of this game was rather ho hum. Hopefully this
recap will not be and we're gonna have some fun
on the back end, talking a little bit about the
futures of Tuatungua Bai Looa, maybe some other quarterbacks that
could be of available this offseason. But first we talk
about the return of Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, and what a return it was. You know, he
demonstrated his ongoing connection with Mark Andrews, which has been
the backbone of their offense for years, a staple in
this scheme, whether you know it was Greg Roman or
toddmunkin calling plays. He's always been the guy to go to,
So of course he goes to him twice to the
first two touchdowns, and of course he schemed up wide
open on the second one, a little mesh concept runs
two defenders into each other, Andrews wide open. Easy score.
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But even then, even with those two touchdown drives, the
Ravens didn't really look that good in the first half.
The Dolphins had a shot and they wasted that opportunity.
And once the second half arrived, and there the Ravens
come out of halftime, they just go right down the field.
Touchdown pass, right down the field again, touchdown pass to
Rashad Bateman, three to tight ends wonder receiver Rashad Bateman
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four total runaway win. The Ravens. We've said this before,
I guess we'll say it again. They may just be back.
They are very much in the running because Lamar Jackson
looks as good as he did before he got hurt.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
It's so funny because going into this game, everyone's thinking, Hey,
the Ravens, you know, they are almost the favorites in
the AFC North. Meanwhile, everyone's just assuming the Dolphins season
is over, and yet they both only had two wins
entering this game. And you know what, sometimes the boneheaded
like consensus just very ho hum thinking, is the right one. Yeah,
(02:21):
the Ravens are much much better. It was obvious. And
it's a kiss of death when you dominate half of
football statistically against the superior team like the Dolphins did
in the first half of this game. It was two
hundred and twenty five yards to one oh one at
half time and you're trailing on the scoreboard. That always corrects.
(02:42):
It always corrects in the second half, and you described
how it was by the end of the game. You know,
even the stats are better for Baltimore. I thought coming
out in the third quarter, there was a couple of
key sequences there. Number one, on a third and long
to start the third quarter drive, lamarj actually scrambles, and
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he really didn't all night. That was about it, and
you did wonder if he felt one hundred percent. You
didn't get to see him let loose on that hamstring
very often, but that was one play where he did scramble,
picked up the first down, and then they go right
down the field and end up with the Charlie Kohler touchdown. Meanwhile,
on the other side, the Dolphins get the ball back,
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and this to me was the Dolphins in a nutshell
like their season. First down, Jonah savanea who's been a
disaster this year, one of the worst starting offensive linemen
in the league, gives up a sack to Travis Jones.
Second down, they run it on second and seventeen or
something get absolutely nothing. Felt like a give up play.
And then even worse on third down to his throwing
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a check down that only would have gotten two or
three yards and that's knocked down at the line of scrimmage.
And it reminded me of the Raiders a little bit
from a few weeks ago. And I like to call
it the I don't want to be here offense, and
the Dolphins fans just just let them know, just booing
the hell out of them down in Miami.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I believe that was the moment in which four fans
in the stands put the brown paper bags over their heads,
which was a proper response. The funny thing is is
if you just watched that drive, you thought the Dolphins
that was their offense the entire night, and it wasn't.
In fact, at times they moved the ball effortlessly. They
were went right down the field. It's just that once
they got in or near the red zone, they self
destructed over and over again. You can go all the
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way back to the first half, when they have three
points on the board, the game is very well within
reach and it's fourth and one. They're gonna goal for it.
False start backs them up five yards fourth and six,
settle for a field goal, kicker misses the field goal
wide right. They had multiple pre snat penalties, delay of games,
false starts, every type of procedural penalty that you could imagine.
They essentially committed. They couldn't get out of their own way,
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and even when they found success, they found ways to
bring themselves in the opposite direction and hurt their chances.
They had opportunities and they blew them. Although I will
say the one call on Olie Gordon where he was
flagged for a penalty, that still doesn't make sense to me.
You could say he was tripping, like that's right, maybe
what they might call, but he slipped and fell and
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the edge rusher, I think it's Mike Green. The rookie
leaps right over him and is unbothered and yet a
flag comes out and it wipes out to his best
throw of the night, probably their best scoring opportunity, and
it felt like from there they were cooked.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, that was a fifty yard completion to Wattle even
that play though, which was a positive play. Yeah, that
was what I watched on the you know, prime vision,
and that ball took forever together and you're kind of thinking, man,
if someone else would throw it there, that thing's a
touchdown and less air and Waddle does not have to
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jump up for it in a contested cat situation. But
you're absolutely right when when the team isn't struggling that
in that you know, pre snap penalty made McDaniel lose
his absolute mind. They're getting bad luck on the tripping,
and then it's also bad execution, and then sometimes it's
just an absolutely weird play call. Let's actually listen to
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the tua incompletion to Devin h Chan on one of
those fourth downs. This was a fourth and two later
in the game.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Back to Throll looking to is right the corner zones
a Chan was covered by Hamilton. Was a communication somebody
was not where they needed to be, and well, you
come away with no points after another nice drive.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Wow, that was Jimmy Sefalo and Joe Rose on wb
G G And yeah, you mentioned all the different ways
that they managed to blow things. They were inside the
thirty one yard line of the Ravens six times tonight.
Yeah they got six six points. That that was one
of them. It's a zero blitz. And they don't have
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a better call or a better option for Tua who
had time then throwing like a slot fade to h
Chan who basically gave up on the route, and against
Kyle Hamilton. But none of that was good.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
None of that was I have so many thoughts about
this play. I understand why you go for it here.
Ideally your kicker makes the field goal, it's fourteen to nine.
Maybe you settle for a field goal to make it
fourteen at twelve, but you realize this is maybe your
best scoring opportunity at least to this point in the game.
You're gonna go for it. Okay, gutsy call modern football,
we're all on board with that. What we're not on
board with is putting a running back in the slot
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and running a slot fade to him. He doesn't even
know how to run a slot fade, as evidence by
that play. I mean, he never even makes it to
the end zone to try to catch that ball, and
Mike mcdanild just looks up toward the canopy that they
built over hard Rock Stadium. Such a nice renovation they've done,
and just probably wondered, what what did I do to
deserve this? Why am I being forced to put a
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running back in the slot and he doesn't know how
to run the route? What more can I do? And
responsibility falls on him for putting Han of that situation
and asking him to do that. But also, this is
professional football, and if that's the best thing that you
can put out there, just kind of illustrates how bad
of a situation your team's been in.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, when I look at their offense and I think
about them moving forward, like eight Chan is a good player.
You know, he ends up with one hundred and two
yards from scrimmage. His explosiveness is awesome. Jalen Wattle continues
to produce without Tyreek Hill there. It's six catches for
eighty two yards and it would have been much more
if not for that bogus tripping penalty. But I just
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think the Dolphins fans are so sick of watching this offense,
which are just the same timing in cuts to waddle
over and over, and the timing wasn't perfect tonight. There
were drops by other receivers Malik Washington with a couple
fumbles in this game, so that, yeah, it was all bad.
You can't just pick on one particular thing. I thought. Actually,
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in the first half, they ran the ball very well,
and as you mentioned, like we're moving the ball well
against this Ravens defense. Let's let's give the Ravens a
little more credit. So actually you spoke about that second
touch down to Andrews, which was yes, it looked like
a simple throw because the two defenders ran into each other.
(09:06):
I thought it was another good game out of Todd Monkin,
two straight clean weeks from this Ravens offense. The running
game took a little while to get going, but Derrick
Henry ends up going over one hundred and twenty yards
with a big second half. So that looked like a
lot of Ravens games from a year ago, slow start
to finished well. But I thought this was a beautiful
throw still by Lamar Jackson. And yes, it was great
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to see all three tight ends with multiple catches. Let's
listen to the second Andrews touchdown.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Play CLOCKTT one, Lamar takes the snap deep drop, wats
it to the ten pot Andrews in touchdown. Ravens two
for two fla Mark Andrews a twenty yard throw catch
and run, and the rust is gone for Lamar Jackson.
(09:55):
That was a beautiful throw. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
One thing I'd like the last couple of weeks is
everyone's gotten involved. Andrews is a little more juice site
than I expected. Maybe the Dolphins defenders are just slow.
Isaiah likely a lot of juice on one of his
long yards after the catch play, and then Zay Flowers
with the big play down the field, Bateman got that
touch and so I just like they're spreading it out.
I'm not going to overreact, but hey, Nick, like their
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B game is all they need to do potentially to
go on a long winning streak. As long as the
defense is just okay and normal, like they don't have
to be great, just just be okay, then I think
the offense can play this sort of B game and
potentially rip off a long winning streak.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, there were a couple of differences in this game
tonight versus how they've looked with Lamar out and obviously
the return of Lamar Jackson alone opens up so many
options for you. But like that play in particular, like
it's a mesh concept. But the reason that it becomes
a touchdown is because Andrews is able to deepen his route.
It's not just like a flat drag. He's getting ten
fifteen yards down the field when he's catching that ball.
And because the defenders ran too each other, he's got
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a bunch of green grass to run through to get
to the end zone. That's like, that's just a good
you know, design, right, But then you also look at
the defense and you think about the players that they
have missed when you watch them tonight. They did a
really good job up front, plugging up gaps, eating up blockers,
and allowing Roquan Smith to just play really well. He
was there to make a lot of key tackles, key stops.
He fights through multiple blocks, shuts down a screen early
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in the game, shuts down a running attempt later in
the game. Like he's been playing really well over the
last couple of weeks, which is a boon for them
as well. And then you know, they talked about it
playing the broadcast. We've heard it all over the place.
You know. The acquisition of a Looie Gilman allowed them
to move Kyle Hamilton Hamilton around, which he played in
the box a lot tonight, but he's also making plays
all over the field. And then you got Malachi Starks
picking off to a tongue of by Loa downfield. Like
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you're starting to get some of these guys back, the
defense is starting to come back together, and against a
team like the Dolphins who did move the ball well
on you and weren't able to get it done a
lot of self inflicted wounds, you're still the beneficiary of that.
The question is going forward when you try to compare
week to week the quality of opponent, Like we look
at the Ravens schedule, why could they potentially make this
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a run. They played the Vikings, who's off has been
dormant for a while. They play the Browns, who are
one of the worst offenses in the NFL. They play
the Jets, same stories, save for last week. They played
the Bengals, also the same story. That's their next four,
and then they played Pittsburgh and that's their first like
big game in that stretch. I could see them winning
all four, even if they just play like they did tonight,
a b game tonight probably wins all four of those games.
(12:19):
Maybe the Vikings game is close, maybe the Bengals game
is close because of the division rivalry. But ultimately, if
this is all you have to do, if this is
what you can produce in your sleep on a week
by week basis, we're gonna look at it real quick
and they're gonna be seven to five. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I want I want to see Lamar kind of let
let it loose in terms of how he plays. Is
a runner. I'm curious how the defense is gonna play
against better competition. We'll see where the Vikings are at
for that game. The Bengals offense is certainly playing better.
I am worried that they had like a fourteen percent
pressure rate against the Miami Dolphins. I know it's tough
sometimes because Tua gets rid of the ball so quickly,
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but that was the weakness last week two against Chicago.
They just don't have one on one pass rush wins.
Kyle Vai had like one tonight, Mike Green basically didn't
have any. They're not a team that gets a lot
of pressure. So if you're if you're looking for a
fly in the ointment. That's it. But I'm so glad
you pointed out Rokuan Smith. That's the number one difference
right now. He he just changes their team. He did
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not look healthy and he was not an effective player
before he went down with that injury and they sat
him down. In the last two weeks, he's been the
best player on the field, and that's a field with
Kyle Hamilton, who's also being a bigger factor because of
where they're using. Aloe Gilman, who who had the the
greatest thing that can happen on the field, which is
he blew his assignment near the goal line and and
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he let who wasn't Malik Washington get get wide open,
and then he realized that he blew it, and then
he ran over and he knocked the fumble out. So
it's like, you know, in the middle of that play, oh,
I blew it, and then you run over and then
you saved the day and you get the you get
the turnover. So good job by Eloie Kilman on that play.
But good good point there on broke one. I think
that's so huge.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah, yeah, And that's the difference that they can make. Now.
You don't want to necessarily live on those thinner margins
against better teams. But all we need is a demonstration
that you can kind of work toward that goal. And
I think that that's what we've seen him from this
defense over the last week's Manthy back to the Chicago game,
they had a key interception that set up a touchdown
that flipped that game on its side and put the
Ravens in a position of command. And they've been making
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those plays over the last two weeks. So it's only
it's a small sample size on one game back with Lamar.
By the way, did you get nervous like I did
when he did run tonight? Like especially in the fourth
quarter he hit a couple of scrambles where I'm like, hey,
why is he still in the game, and be oh
my god, Like.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Why is Dereck Henry getting five carries up twenty eight
to six just so you can go over one hundred?
But then he went over one hundred and they gave
him like three or four more carries. Just just why
just don't stop?
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yeah, necessary, we don't need that, all.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Right, good game, and yeah, keep an eye at Teddy
Buchanan spelled tea like Teddy, but with an e on
the end, which I like. He's kind of stabilized the
linebacker position too. He's actually looked pretty good, I think,
next to Roque. So that's like another change that they've
made throughout the course of the season. That's good. Meanwhile,
the Dolphins, I mean, they've been done. Would they consider
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changing coaches with this little extra time? We'll see. They
have Buffalo next week at home, which is another opportunity
to give up a lot of points and to get
a lot of booze at home. That's potentially another spot.
They have three more Island games this year. I apologize
to the citizens of Germany. We're sending Commanders Dolphins there unfortunately.
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And they have back to back primetime games Monday Night
Week fifteen against the Steelers and pitch. They can flex
Monday nights. Now, would they flex it when it's like
one dead team versus a good team? They might not
do that, but they should consider it. And then here's
a game that is getting flexed Sunday Night Football Dolphins
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Bengals in Week sixteen. There's no chance that game, I.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Mean, unless the Bengals found themselves matter, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
They're going to do better than that for Sunday Night
Football in.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Week sixty, the return of Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
No, that's too that's too good a week. Okay, you
mentioned Joe Burrow. Let's talk about another quarterback. To a
tongue of Ilo. As I'm watching this game, my mind
starts wandering, and as I'm looking through some of the
news that's coming out of Arizona, my mind starts wandering
to the quarterback market for twenty twenty six. I personally
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don't think Tua is going to be for sure on
this Dolphins team. I think he'll be available at the
very least. Let's take a quick break and on the
other side, we're going to talk about Tua. We're going
to talk about Kyler Murray and uh yeah, we might
even talk about my boy Gino, who could be available
this offseason. All right, we're back on NFL Daily and
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we're gonna do a little news we can do. We're
taping this Thursday night. It's been a minute since we
taped that preview show, and new information is worth mentioning here.
Jacoby Brissett, in the portion of practice that the Arizona
Cardinals writers were able to witness, was throwing the ball
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to the starters, Marvin Harrison, Michael Wilson, et cetera. Kyler Murray,
in the portion of practice that reporters were able to watch,
were throwing, was throwing passes to backups and like scout
team guys, okay, Kyler Murray listed as limited on the
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injury report. We thought he might be fully back this week.
He's listed as limited. You know, insert Brian Winhurst conspiracy
fingers here. I don't think this is even much of
a conspiracy. The Cardinals do not have Kyler Murray speak
to the media today. He was schedu to speak to
the media. They tell the media that a quarterback press
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conference at a future date this week will occur, hosted
by quarterback. By the way, for what it's worth, the
last couple of weeks, when Jacoby Brissett did start, he
did it press conference later in the week. Like so,
it sure sounds like Kyler Murray is getting what I
(18:25):
like to call the old JJ McCarthy A little soft
benching here, That's what I'm calling it. And I'm curious
about your thoughts there, and we can get into the
long term of it all, but maybe let's start with
the short term of it all. With what's going on
with the Cardinals here.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Oh, Kyler, you're still a little banged up. You know,
I take another week off. You know our offense is
kind of doing better with that. I need to take
another week off. We're trying to get a win here.
How about consider these stats for menfl research Jacoby present
at a sixty five completion percentage average, nearly three hundred
passing yards per game, four to one touchdown to interception ratio,
ninety eight point nine passer rating his two starts, yet
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over two hundred and seventy five passing yards in each
of his two starts. Kyler has not broken two hundred
and twenty passing yards in any of his games. In
twenty twenty five, Arizona averaged twenty point six points per
game with Kyler Murray in the lineup, and under three
hundred yards per game weeks one to five, twenty five
points per game three hundred and sixty five yards per
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game with Jacoby Brissette. The numbers tell you what the
eye has already told you over the last two weeks,
which is that this offense has been better with Jacoby
Brissett at the controls. Now, this is a team that
if they got into third and long, which was a
common occurrence with Kyler at quarterback, they were pretty much doomed.
You go back to last year, same story. They lose
James Connor weeks ago running game, a struggle that usually
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would insulate Kyler in these situations. They have a better
offense with Jacob yet quarterback right now, and they are
a team that needs to win a football game. They
are two and five, they are playing a Dallas Cowboys
defense that can't stop a nosebleed?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Interesting, why not keep.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Jacoby in and maximize your potential against a bad defense?
That's I am on board with the soft benching. It's
weird how it was described today. We are preparing Kyler
as the starter, but you're not gonna say he's the starter.
So what's the point. And if you're preparing him as
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the starter, why is he running with the twos? So
I makes sense.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
You know, I'm hearing from a lot of Cardinals fans
or just general fans on Twitter, it's like, Ah, he's
just doing a smoke screen. It's gonna be Kyler hearing
from others that it's the opposite, like he's just trying
to keep it vague, but yeah, it'll be Jacoby like,
but Kyler's hurt. They've indicated the last couple of weeks
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that they thought Kyler would be back for this game.
He literally was on the practice field before the last game,
which was before the bye week. For them, this is
at an absolutely crucial moment in this entire regimes run
year three, when it needs to happen. And they have
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a quarterback that they inherited with a massive contract, and look,
I know he got that contract when they arrived, but
he was there before they arrived. And you have an
offensive coordinator and Drew Petsig who's familiar with Jacoby, and
there was a lot of confidence. You Jordan alluded to
it when she went to Cardinals' training camp earlier this offseason.
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I mean, you know in camp, like how much they
like Jacoby Brissette. I just think it's telling and it's
a huge moment for this entire regime because they're saying,
when the chips are down, like, this is who we want,
This is who we trust to turn our season around
to save our jobs. You know, it doesn't hurt that
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they're against the Cowboys on Monday Night either. I mean,
like the whole country's going to be watching and we're
playing this cupcake defense. I mean, that would be a
soft landing for Kyler to return. So I think that
says a lot. And now I want to pivot to
the long term of it all. I think the Cardinals
are a good team that could get back in the mix,
but the NFC is deeper. This is in the AFC.
It's gonna be a tough road to get all the
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way back with their brutal schedule. I don't think Kyler
Murray is going to be on this team next year,
and so that immediately makes him, in my mind. Looking
at the landscape, the most intriguing quarterback that could be available.
The draft doesn't look as as frisky, although obviously those
guys are going to be interesting. And then the free
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agency and trade market is never great, and we'll talk
about a few guys. I think two is one of them,
but I think I think personally Kyler would have a
lot of value. Do you agree.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I think it's about fit, Like you have to think
about suitors. How desperate are the suitors first team? I
think I was the Browns, Like I wrote something down,
that's what I'm interested. Are they interested in Kyler Murray.
I mean that's not quarterback that necessarily fits the dynamic
or the style of offense. And Kevin Sefanki runs. In fact,
Jokobe percent ran it pretty well.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't think that's a fit.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
No, But yeah, I think he's gonna draw some Any
quarterback with any sort of history of success, whether it's
one year or you know, sprinkled in success here or there,
or high and low moments, which is the latter is
basically Kyler Murray's career is going to command interest because
there are never thirty two solid jobs. There are never
thirty two confirmed starters in the NFL. There's always interest somewhere.
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So yes, I think he will draw interest.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah, and I think he is a better option than
plenty out there. He is only twenty eight years old.
He's shown a level of success for extended periods. The
problem is he hasn't like struck it over a cold season.
He'll of a hot month, they'll have a hot half season.
But at a pretty high level. The skill set is obvious.
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I think there's concerns about how he leads. Patrick Peterson,
former teammate, has voiced those concerns when he was on
the team, and now he's voicing him as part of
the media that he doesn't think that he essentially rallies
the troops enough and gets the buy in from his
teammates in the way that Patrick Peterson would like to see.
That said, sometimes a second chance in a new place.
(24:19):
We've seen it with good quarterbacks. Like it was poisoned
for Darnold, it was poisoned for Baker, Gino Smith took
a while to get going. Daniel, Like, I think it
just could be good for him. If he's going to
have success. Maybe it's gonna be somewhere else where he's
out from the pressure and everything that's happened since he's
been the number one overall pick in Arizona.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I need to know the teams now because I'm thinking
about all those quarterbacks listed and like, it doesn't work
for Baker if he doesn't go through it, it doesn't
work for Sam if he doesn't have a year in Minnesota.
I need to know the teams.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Okay, Well, there's Miami number one. That's gonna be tricky
because if we'll get to Tua, but they'd have to
take on some cold by the.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Way, could you imagine mon scenario in which Steven Ross
doesn't fire Mike McDaniel at all and just like decides
to swamp quarterbacks because that would be absurd.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
In fact, and watching it was hilarious watching the Chris
Greer shots that they were trying to show, but he
was like behind the post. It was like, I'm hiding
from you.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I know you're there, just with the camera, Dan Marino.
He's wearing a teal jacket.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Right, Because yeah, the blame pie can go around, and
I think considering the fact that the Dolphins haven't won
a playoff game in twenty four years, was it and
that's the longest of any team in the NFL, I mean,
I think the blame pie has to start at the
very top because that's the most common, the thing that's
run through all those years. But Chris Grere has been
(25:38):
there basically that whole time too. By the way, he
hasn't been in charge the whole time, but he's been
in charge for a while. So I think you go
to the very top, and then I think you go
right under him, and that's Chris Gerey. So Mike McDaniel
would be lower for me, But I assume they're gonna
blow up the whole thing. So there's Miami, that one
could be tricky. There's the Saints. Our friend Adam is
immediately like, don't put that stink on me. I was like,
(25:58):
you should be so happy if you could get Kyler Murray.
He'd be the best post breeze quarterback you've had. I would,
I would. It's got to be better than whoever you
find for next year. You should be happy with Keller.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
With Kellen Moore. I don't mind that. I don't hate that.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I could see that. The Raiders I think are going
to be in the market for a quarterback. I don't
know what's going to be going on there, but Gino Smith,
you can get out of that contract, and unless it changes,
I think they're going to be looking. I can just
see that. Can't you just see Kyler Murray in this
over Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I mean in the silver black. Yeah. But the Raiders
are like very radioactive to me right now.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
So that's just well, it's not gonna be good for him.
And also I think Tom Brady's gonna making quarterback judgments recommendations.
I don't think Kyler Murray. I don't think he would
lean to the Jets could be looking for a quarterback.
You know, Justin Fields is on a two year contract,
but certainly they could be looking for an upgrade. You
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mentioned the Browns after that, it'd have to be more
of a like a surprise team. Could Jacksonville be looking
for a quarterback? I don't know. Once we get once
we get further down the list, it gets into just
bigger surprises. But he'll have a market, I think. And
the contract is reasonable thirty six million dollars depending on
(27:14):
which part of the roster bonus when it's paid. Something
around thirty two million dollars has already been guaranteed. That's fine,
Like you would take that. There's really nothing past next year,
so it'd be a one year trial and you see
what happens with Kyler Murray. I think it'd be interesting.
I think he has a chance. I'm I'm planting my flag.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I'm thinking back a few years ago to when he
got this contract and then there was all the drama
and he cleared his social media and all that stuff.
And it's kind of crazy how when time passes suddenly
those contracts that seem so bloated and like could be
an albatross in future years. The way they're structured, You're like, nah,
you know, they can get out of it, Like it's fine,
it's totally feasible.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
We would find this.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
We set this stage going into the season. We felt
like the Cardinals twenty twenty five season was a a
judgment of Jonathan Gannon, but more importantly a judgment of
the future with Kyler Murray and whether he'd be there
or not. So now that we've arrived at this point,
I'm not at all surprised. Yeah, I think it could
definitely happen.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
And it was a really interesting time when if you
think back to it, because that was twenty twenty two,
and like they were under a lot of pressure to
commit to him. But then you look at this Gannon
you know, regime and the general manager you know, proceeds
Gannon there, and it was believed there was some pressure,
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you know, coming from ownership too, and so he never
has exactly been the Cardinals guy in terms of their
general manager. Anyways, Okay, let's move on to Tua. I
was trying to think of Monty Austin for it's name,
and it was just like double check, now you got it.
When he was there, man, I think they got to
(28:54):
get out of this to of business. He doesn't make
sense without Mike McDaniel. I don't think Mike McDaniel's going
to be there. He has a lot of guaranteed money
next year, fifty four million dollars guaranteed, almost nothing after
next year. But I at least think they would check
around to see if there was some sort of market
for Tua. It's all going to depend who's running the
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show there. But I just don't I just don't think
it's going to happen. I think he's a limited quarterback
and I would pay to get out of the toua market,
eat the dead money. In the short term, you actually
save money in terms of the salary cap next year
if you trade him, despite all that guaranteed money accelerating,
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they would save money against the cap by trading him.
And with that in mind, if they would take on
some of the money, then I think another team would
be interested. Me maybe the Vikings would be interested in
a one bee like you're just just throwing different names
out there.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yeah, if the McCarthy thing continues to be a mystifying
experience as it's been so far, But yeah, you're right,
because they're eleven in the red right now, and they
would clear thirteen to four on a trade with next
year pre I think that, yeah, pre June first, right,
so it's yeah, I mean they'd clear eleven. They'd clear eleven,
which would get them out of the red that carry
forty five point two. Indead, it amounts somewhat to the
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Broncos getting rid of Russell Wilson. And I think if
you're going for a regime change, in an identity shift
away from this creative motion heavy offense, we're gonna throw
it all over the yard YadA, YadA, YadA, like Tyreek Hill.
You know, he's talked about potentially retiring, Like if he
retired now, he'd be fine with it. Like a lot
of changes coming to this team, and I think it's necessary,
and I think it should involve your quarterback. Not to
(30:35):
just be like a guy who agrees with everything you
say on this specific episode, but like the proof is
in the tape now, I will say there have been
games where he's been very good. There have been games
where he's been very bad. Tonight was neither. He was
average and his teammates let him down. But if you're
changing your identity. You're right, Tua does not fit. The
only worst place to be though than where they're at
(30:57):
right now is a team with no idea and no quarterback,
and that's the big risk you take.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
He wasn't great tonight, but I think tonight was a
perfect example of he looks. I think he just has
a limited skill set. I don't think he's great adjusting
after this nap. He has to do a few certain
things well. He doesn't certainly doesn't create plays on his own,
and doesn't have a huge arm. And it's probably more
likely because of the contract that he will be there
(31:25):
with either a rookie or someone that he's competing with
for one last year. But I just am of the
mind that if it's a new head coach, like don't
waste that year. We see teams do that all the time,
and even if that's likely to happen, I don't think
it's a particularly good idea. By the way, I just
I did want to make a correction. Austin Forton Gannon
(31:45):
did completely inherit Murray, And what I was thinking about
was when they were hired. Remember they made the big
show of really embracing him and the timing was really
confusing because they had just signed Murray to that big
contract the previous summer before Kingsbury gets blown out in
the middle of that season, so it was the timing
was tricky. But remember they went to Oklahoma and went
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to watch his number get retired, and it was a
big They were trying to really embrace him even though
that wasn't their guy, and I think they've tried to
make it work and it just hasn't.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
And that happens, you know, both of these players just
and I think there was probably more ammunition behind signing
Kyler than there was Tua. But we have found ourselves
in this strange position in the NFL these days, where
the contracts get bigger and bigger, and teams there's a
lot of confirmation by us within these front offices if
the front office that drafted the guy is still there.
(32:36):
You see that across a lot of different positions, but
especially at quarterback. Three guys come to mind that have
signed these big deals because they were due and there
were questions. Kyler, Tua, and Trevor Lawrence. Two of those
guys could be facing a new home next year. As
we just discussed, We'll see what happens with the Jaguars.
But last year it felt like maybe Trevor was headed
(32:58):
that way too. Weird weird time in the NFL to
be in a position where you've got to pay big
dollars to a guy that you might not be one
hundred percent convinced as your guy.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Well in a weird time. And I've always thought this
that the fourteenth best quarterback in the league gets a
pretty close to the same contract as the best quarterbacks
in the league. Like Jimmy Garoppolo has been the highest
paid quarterback in the league, Trevor Lawrence has been the
highest paid quarterback league to a tongue of blow has
been the highest paid quarterback in the league. It's a
(33:26):
weird system and it always makes me think that the
most underpaid and best value players in the NFL are
like Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes because it's like, why
are they the same as toua And if there was
no salary cap, they'd all be making one hundred and
fifty million dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I would defer their contract like Shoe Heeo Tani.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Right they till they moved to Japan after their careers.
I think Gino could be available by the way too,
and then a guy who would be on MVP ballots
if the MVP was voted for today and we'll be
doing our mid season awards next week. Daniel Jones also
a free agent. I don't list him and want to
even really go too deep into him, because if he
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continues on this trajectory, there's just no way the Colts
are going to let him go. He'll be franchise tagged,
they'll figure out a contract, but teams do not get
let players like that go if they don't want to,
and there's no reason why he would want to go
anywhere anyways.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
And they are, they're fortunate, but they also deserve credit
for taking that swing on him because there's been a
lot of teams whose first round pick flames out and
they have nowhere else to go, and that's the track
they were on, and they were just like, you know what,
we need to bring in competition for Anthony Richardson. There's
been a lot of those situations are going to bring
in competition and it doesn't produce anything. This happened to
(34:43):
produce the perfect scenario for them where they could just
be like, Anthony, just stay over there. We got a
good thing going here. We'll pay this guy.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I did the Lockdown Vikings podcasts earlier this week, check
that out with Luke Brown, and we were saying they
had a chance to do that perfect scenario themselves and
just pay a few more dollars for Daniel Jones, and
they probably would have had to promise him a real
chance to win that starting job, and I don't think
they were ready to do that. And maybe JJ McCarthy
will prove this all stupid, and maybe Daniel Jones will
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have a Sam Darnold like end to the year, which
will complicate matters for the Colts. But the difference is
the Colts don't have anyone waiting in the wings that
they're gonna have faith in. So I think Daniel Jones
is going to be there unless the Wheels came off
really hard. Don't think that's gonna happen, all right, The
Wheels stayed on this podcast even if they didn't stay
on this game. Love you, Shook, Appreciate you, and yes,
(35:38):
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(36:01):
See that
Shouts out instructions off the play fake Lamar escaping a pocket,
slinky to the end zone. Touchdownravns and this time it's
a receiver Rashan Bateman. As the Ravens fans are having
a party tonight in South Florida.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Oh yeah, the Ravens fans outnumbering the Dolphins fans by
the end of this game twenty eight to six, Lamar
Jackson with four touchdowns, only five incompletions. That was Jerry
Sandusky on WBA L and sometimes shook. Yeah, the broadcasting
call is just jumping out of the seat. But that
(00:44):
felt very ho hum, because, let's face it, the second
half of this game was rather ho hum. Hopefully this
recap will not be and we're gonna have some fun
on the back end, talking a little bit about the
futures of Tuatungua Bai Looa, maybe some other quarterbacks that
could be of available this offseason. But first we talk
about the return of Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, and what a return it was. You know, he
demonstrated his ongoing connection with Mark Andrews, which has been
the backbone of their offense for years, a staple in
this scheme, whether you know it was Greg Roman or
toddmunkin calling plays. He's always been the guy to go to,
So of course he goes to him twice to the
first two touchdowns, and of course he schemed up wide
open on the second one, a little mesh concept runs
two defenders into each other, Andrews wide open. Easy score.
(01:27):
But even then, even with those two touchdown drives, the
Ravens didn't really look that good in the first half.
The Dolphins had a shot and they wasted that opportunity.
And once the second half arrived, and there the Ravens
come out of halftime, they just go right down the field.
Touchdown pass, right down the field again, touchdown pass to
Rashad Bateman, three to tight ends wonder receiver Rashad Bateman
(01:49):
four total runaway win. The Ravens. We've said this before,
I guess we'll say it again. They may just be back.
They are very much in the running because Lamar Jackson
looks as good as he did before he got hurt.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
It's so funny because going into this game, everyone's thinking, Hey,
the Ravens, you know, they are almost the favorites in
the AFC North. Meanwhile, everyone's just assuming the Dolphins season
is over, and yet they both only had two wins
entering this game. And you know what, sometimes the boneheaded
like consensus just very ho hum thinking, is the right one. Yeah,
(02:21):
the Ravens are much much better. It was obvious. And
it's a kiss of death when you dominate half of
football statistically against the superior team like the Dolphins did
in the first half of this game. It was two
hundred and twenty five yards to one oh one at
half time and you're trailing on the scoreboard. That always corrects.
(02:42):
It always corrects in the second half, and you described
how it was by the end of the game. You know,
even the stats are better for Baltimore. I thought coming
out in the third quarter, there was a couple of
key sequences there. Number one, on a third and long
to start the third quarter drive, lamarj actually scrambles, and
(03:03):
he really didn't all night. That was about it, and
you did wonder if he felt one hundred percent. You
didn't get to see him let loose on that hamstring
very often, but that was one play where he did scramble,
picked up the first down, and then they go right
down the field and end up with the Charlie Kohler touchdown. Meanwhile,
on the other side, the Dolphins get the ball back,
(03:26):
and this to me was the Dolphins in a nutshell
like their season. First down, Jonah savanea who's been a
disaster this year, one of the worst starting offensive linemen
in the league, gives up a sack to Travis Jones.
Second down, they run it on second and seventeen or
something get absolutely nothing. Felt like a give up play.
And then even worse on third down to his throwing
(03:47):
a check down that only would have gotten two or
three yards and that's knocked down at the line of scrimmage.
And it reminded me of the Raiders a little bit
from a few weeks ago. And I like to call
it the I don't want to be here offense, and
the Dolphins fans just just let them know, just booing
the hell out of them down in Miami.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I believe that was the moment in which four fans
in the stands put the brown paper bags over their heads,
which was a proper response. The funny thing is is
if you just watched that drive, you thought the Dolphins
that was their offense the entire night, and it wasn't.
In fact, at times they moved the ball effortlessly. They
were went right down the field. It's just that once
they got in or near the red zone, they self
destructed over and over again. You can go all the
(04:27):
way back to the first half, when they have three
points on the board, the game is very well within
reach and it's fourth and one. They're gonna goal for it.
False start backs them up five yards fourth and six,
settle for a field goal, kicker misses the field goal
wide right. They had multiple pre snat penalties, delay of games,
false starts, every type of procedural penalty that you could imagine.
They essentially committed. They couldn't get out of their own way,
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and even when they found success, they found ways to
bring themselves in the opposite direction and hurt their chances.
They had opportunities and they blew them. Although I will
say the one call on Olie Gordon where he was
flagged for a penalty, that still doesn't make sense to me.
You could say he was tripping, like that's right, maybe
what they might call, but he slipped and fell and
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the edge rusher, I think it's Mike Green. The rookie
leaps right over him and is unbothered and yet a
flag comes out and it wipes out to his best
throw of the night, probably their best scoring opportunity, and
it felt like from there they were cooked.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, that was a fifty yard completion to Wattle even
that play though, which was a positive play. Yeah, that
was what I watched on the you know, prime vision,
and that ball took forever together and you're kind of thinking, man,
if someone else would throw it there, that thing's a
touchdown and less air and Waddle does not have to
(05:45):
jump up for it in a contested cat situation. But
you're absolutely right when when the team isn't struggling that
in that you know, pre snap penalty made McDaniel lose
his absolute mind. They're getting bad luck on the tripping,
and then it's also bad execution, and then sometimes it's
just an absolutely weird play call. Let's actually listen to
(06:07):
the tua incompletion to Devin h Chan on one of
those fourth downs. This was a fourth and two later
in the game.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Back to Throll looking to is right the corner zones
a Chan was covered by Hamilton. Was a communication somebody
was not where they needed to be, and well, you
come away with no points after another nice drive.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Wow, that was Jimmy Sefalo and Joe Rose on wb
G G And yeah, you mentioned all the different ways
that they managed to blow things. They were inside the
thirty one yard line of the Ravens six times tonight.
Yeah they got six six points. That that was one
of them. It's a zero blitz. And they don't have
(06:54):
a better call or a better option for Tua who
had time then throwing like a slot fade to h
Chan who basically gave up on the route, and against
Kyle Hamilton. But none of that was good.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
None of that was I have so many thoughts about
this play. I understand why you go for it here.
Ideally your kicker makes the field goal, it's fourteen to nine.
Maybe you settle for a field goal to make it
fourteen at twelve, but you realize this is maybe your
best scoring opportunity at least to this point in the game.
You're gonna go for it. Okay, gutsy call modern football,
we're all on board with that. What we're not on
board with is putting a running back in the slot
(07:27):
and running a slot fade to him. He doesn't even
know how to run a slot fade, as evidence by
that play. I mean, he never even makes it to
the end zone to try to catch that ball, and
Mike mcdanild just looks up toward the canopy that they
built over hard Rock Stadium. Such a nice renovation they've done,
and just probably wondered, what what did I do to
deserve this? Why am I being forced to put a
(07:48):
running back in the slot and he doesn't know how
to run the route? What more can I do? And
responsibility falls on him for putting Han of that situation
and asking him to do that. But also, this is
professional football, and if that's the best thing that you
can put out there, just kind of illustrates how bad
of a situation your team's been in.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, when I look at their offense and I think
about them moving forward, like eight Chan is a good player.
You know, he ends up with one hundred and two
yards from scrimmage. His explosiveness is awesome. Jalen Wattle continues
to produce without Tyreek Hill there. It's six catches for
eighty two yards and it would have been much more
if not for that bogus tripping penalty. But I just
(08:24):
think the Dolphins fans are so sick of watching this offense,
which are just the same timing in cuts to waddle
over and over, and the timing wasn't perfect tonight. There
were drops by other receivers Malik Washington with a couple
fumbles in this game, so that, yeah, it was all bad.
You can't just pick on one particular thing. I thought. Actually,
(08:46):
in the first half, they ran the ball very well,
and as you mentioned, like we're moving the ball well
against this Ravens defense. Let's let's give the Ravens a
little more credit. So actually you spoke about that second
touch down to Andrews, which was yes, it looked like
a simple throw because the two defenders ran into each other.
(09:06):
I thought it was another good game out of Todd Monkin,
two straight clean weeks from this Ravens offense. The running
game took a little while to get going, but Derrick
Henry ends up going over one hundred and twenty yards
with a big second half. So that looked like a
lot of Ravens games from a year ago, slow start
to finished well. But I thought this was a beautiful
throw still by Lamar Jackson. And yes, it was great
(09:29):
to see all three tight ends with multiple catches. Let's
listen to the second Andrews touchdown.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Play CLOCKTT one, Lamar takes the snap deep drop, wats
it to the ten pot Andrews in touchdown. Ravens two
for two fla Mark Andrews a twenty yard throw catch
and run, and the rust is gone for Lamar Jackson.
(09:55):
That was a beautiful throw. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
One thing I'd like the last couple of weeks is
everyone's gotten involved. Andrews is a little more juice site
than I expected. Maybe the Dolphins defenders are just slow.
Isaiah likely a lot of juice on one of his
long yards after the catch play, and then Zay Flowers
with the big play down the field, Bateman got that
touch and so I just like they're spreading it out.
I'm not going to overreact, but hey, Nick, like their
(10:20):
B game is all they need to do potentially to
go on a long winning streak. As long as the
defense is just okay and normal, like they don't have
to be great, just just be okay, then I think
the offense can play this sort of B game and
potentially rip off a long winning streak.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, there were a couple of differences in this game
tonight versus how they've looked with Lamar out and obviously
the return of Lamar Jackson alone opens up so many
options for you. But like that play in particular, like
it's a mesh concept. But the reason that it becomes
a touchdown is because Andrews is able to deepen his route.
It's not just like a flat drag. He's getting ten
fifteen yards down the field when he's catching that ball.
And because the defenders ran too each other, he's got
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a bunch of green grass to run through to get
to the end zone. That's like, that's just a good
you know, design, right, But then you also look at
the defense and you think about the players that they
have missed when you watch them tonight. They did a
really good job up front, plugging up gaps, eating up blockers,
and allowing Roquan Smith to just play really well. He
was there to make a lot of key tackles, key stops.
He fights through multiple blocks, shuts down a screen early
(11:17):
in the game, shuts down a running attempt later in
the game. Like he's been playing really well over the
last couple of weeks, which is a boon for them
as well. And then you know, they talked about it
playing the broadcast. We've heard it all over the place.
You know. The acquisition of a Looie Gilman allowed them
to move Kyle Hamilton Hamilton around, which he played in
the box a lot tonight, but he's also making plays
all over the field. And then you got Malachi Starks
picking off to a tongue of by Loa downfield. Like
(11:38):
you're starting to get some of these guys back, the
defense is starting to come back together, and against a
team like the Dolphins who did move the ball well
on you and weren't able to get it done a
lot of self inflicted wounds, you're still the beneficiary of that.
The question is going forward when you try to compare
week to week the quality of opponent, Like we look
at the Ravens schedule, why could they potentially make this
(11:58):
a run. They played the Vikings, who's off has been
dormant for a while. They play the Browns, who are
one of the worst offenses in the NFL. They play
the Jets, same stories, save for last week. They played
the Bengals, also the same story. That's their next four,
and then they played Pittsburgh and that's their first like
big game in that stretch. I could see them winning
all four, even if they just play like they did tonight,
a b game tonight probably wins all four of those games.
(12:19):
Maybe the Vikings game is close, maybe the Bengals game
is close because of the division rivalry. But ultimately, if
this is all you have to do, if this is
what you can produce in your sleep on a week
by week basis, we're gonna look at it real quick
and they're gonna be seven to five. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I want I want to see Lamar kind of let
let it loose in terms of how he plays. Is
a runner. I'm curious how the defense is gonna play
against better competition. We'll see where the Vikings are at
for that game. The Bengals offense is certainly playing better.
I am worried that they had like a fourteen percent
pressure rate against the Miami Dolphins. I know it's tough
sometimes because Tua gets rid of the ball so quickly,
(12:54):
but that was the weakness last week two against Chicago.
They just don't have one on one pass rush wins.
Kyle Vai had like one tonight, Mike Green basically didn't
have any. They're not a team that gets a lot
of pressure. So if you're if you're looking for a
fly in the ointment. That's it. But I'm so glad
you pointed out Rokuan Smith. That's the number one difference
right now. He he just changes their team. He did
(13:15):
not look healthy and he was not an effective player
before he went down with that injury and they sat
him down. In the last two weeks, he's been the
best player on the field, and that's a field with
Kyle Hamilton, who's also being a bigger factor because of
where they're using. Aloe Gilman, who who had the the
greatest thing that can happen on the field, which is
he blew his assignment near the goal line and and
(13:38):
he let who wasn't Malik Washington get get wide open,
and then he realized that he blew it, and then
he ran over and he knocked the fumble out. So
it's like, you know, in the middle of that play, oh,
I blew it, and then you run over and then
you saved the day and you get the you get
the turnover. So good job by Eloie Kilman on that play.
But good good point there on broke one. I think
that's so huge.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah, yeah, And that's the difference that they can make. Now.
You don't want to necessarily live on those thinner margins
against better teams. But all we need is a demonstration
that you can kind of work toward that goal. And
I think that that's what we've seen him from this
defense over the last week's Manthy back to the Chicago game,
they had a key interception that set up a touchdown
that flipped that game on its side and put the
Ravens in a position of command. And they've been making
(14:20):
those plays over the last two weeks. So it's only
it's a small sample size on one game back with Lamar.
By the way, did you get nervous like I did
when he did run tonight? Like especially in the fourth
quarter he hit a couple of scrambles where I'm like, hey,
why is he still in the game, and be oh
my god, Like.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Why is Dereck Henry getting five carries up twenty eight
to six just so you can go over one hundred?
But then he went over one hundred and they gave
him like three or four more carries. Just just why
just don't stop?
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yeah, necessary, we don't need that, all.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Right, good game, and yeah, keep an eye at Teddy
Buchanan spelled tea like Teddy, but with an e on
the end, which I like. He's kind of stabilized the
linebacker position too. He's actually looked pretty good, I think,
next to Roque. So that's like another change that they've
made throughout the course of the season. That's good. Meanwhile,
the Dolphins, I mean, they've been done. Would they consider
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changing coaches with this little extra time? We'll see. They
have Buffalo next week at home, which is another opportunity
to give up a lot of points and to get
a lot of booze at home. That's potentially another spot.
They have three more Island games this year. I apologize
to the citizens of Germany. We're sending Commanders Dolphins there unfortunately.
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And they have back to back primetime games Monday Night
Week fifteen against the Steelers and pitch. They can flex
Monday nights. Now, would they flex it when it's like
one dead team versus a good team? They might not
do that, but they should consider it. And then here's
a game that is getting flexed Sunday Night Football Dolphins
(15:56):
Bengals in Week sixteen. There's no chance that game, I.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Mean, unless the Bengals found themselves matter, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
They're going to do better than that for Sunday Night
Football in.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Week sixty, the return of Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
No, that's too that's too good a week. Okay, you
mentioned Joe Burrow. Let's talk about another quarterback. To a
tongue of Ilo. As I'm watching this game, my mind
starts wandering, and as I'm looking through some of the
news that's coming out of Arizona, my mind starts wandering
to the quarterback market for twenty twenty six. I personally
(16:29):
don't think Tua is going to be for sure on
this Dolphins team. I think he'll be available at the
very least. Let's take a quick break and on the
other side, we're going to talk about Tua. We're going
to talk about Kyler Murray and uh yeah, we might
even talk about my boy Gino, who could be available
this offseason. All right, we're back on NFL Daily and
(16:58):
we're gonna do a little news we can do. We're
taping this Thursday night. It's been a minute since we
taped that preview show, and new information is worth mentioning here.
Jacoby Brissett, in the portion of practice that the Arizona
Cardinals writers were able to witness, was throwing the ball
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to the starters, Marvin Harrison, Michael Wilson, et cetera. Kyler Murray,
in the portion of practice that reporters were able to watch,
were throwing, was throwing passes to backups and like scout
team guys, okay, Kyler Murray listed as limited on the
(17:41):
injury report. We thought he might be fully back this week.
He's listed as limited. You know, insert Brian Winhurst conspiracy
fingers here. I don't think this is even much of
a conspiracy. The Cardinals do not have Kyler Murray speak
to the media today. He was schedu to speak to
the media. They tell the media that a quarterback press
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conference at a future date this week will occur, hosted
by quarterback. By the way, for what it's worth, the
last couple of weeks, when Jacoby Brissett did start, he
did it press conference later in the week. Like so,
it sure sounds like Kyler Murray is getting what I
(18:25):
like to call the old JJ McCarthy A little soft
benching here, That's what I'm calling it. And I'm curious
about your thoughts there, and we can get into the
long term of it all, but maybe let's start with
the short term of it all. With what's going on
with the Cardinals here.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Oh, Kyler, you're still a little banged up. You know,
I take another week off. You know our offense is
kind of doing better with that. I need to take
another week off. We're trying to get a win here.
How about consider these stats for menfl research Jacoby present
at a sixty five completion percentage average, nearly three hundred
passing yards per game, four to one touchdown to interception ratio,
ninety eight point nine passer rating his two starts, yet
(19:04):
over two hundred and seventy five passing yards in each
of his two starts. Kyler has not broken two hundred
and twenty passing yards in any of his games. In
twenty twenty five, Arizona averaged twenty point six points per
game with Kyler Murray in the lineup, and under three
hundred yards per game weeks one to five, twenty five
points per game three hundred and sixty five yards per
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game with Jacoby Brissette. The numbers tell you what the
eye has already told you over the last two weeks,
which is that this offense has been better with Jacoby
Brissett at the controls. Now, this is a team that
if they got into third and long, which was a
common occurrence with Kyler at quarterback, they were pretty much doomed.
You go back to last year, same story. They lose
James Connor weeks ago running game, a struggle that usually
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would insulate Kyler in these situations. They have a better
offense with Jacob yet quarterback right now, and they are
a team that needs to win a football game. They
are two and five, they are playing a Dallas Cowboys
defense that can't stop a nosebleed?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Interesting, why not keep.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Jacoby in and maximize your potential against a bad defense?
That's I am on board with the soft benching. It's
weird how it was described today. We are preparing Kyler
as the starter, but you're not gonna say he's the starter.
So what's the point. And if you're preparing him as
(20:26):
the starter, why is he running with the twos? So
I makes sense.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
You know, I'm hearing from a lot of Cardinals fans
or just general fans on Twitter, it's like, Ah, he's
just doing a smoke screen. It's gonna be Kyler hearing
from others that it's the opposite, like he's just trying
to keep it vague, but yeah, it'll be Jacoby like,
but Kyler's hurt. They've indicated the last couple of weeks
(20:50):
that they thought Kyler would be back for this game.
He literally was on the practice field before the last game,
which was before the bye week. For them, this is
at an absolutely crucial moment in this entire regimes run
year three, when it needs to happen. And they have
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a quarterback that they inherited with a massive contract, and look,
I know he got that contract when they arrived, but
he was there before they arrived. And you have an
offensive coordinator and Drew Petsig who's familiar with Jacoby, and
there was a lot of confidence. You Jordan alluded to
it when she went to Cardinals' training camp earlier this offseason.
(21:31):
I mean, you know in camp, like how much they
like Jacoby Brissette. I just think it's telling and it's
a huge moment for this entire regime because they're saying,
when the chips are down, like, this is who we want,
This is who we trust to turn our season around
to save our jobs. You know, it doesn't hurt that
(21:52):
they're against the Cowboys on Monday Night either. I mean,
like the whole country's going to be watching and we're
playing this cupcake defense. I mean, that would be a
soft landing for Kyler to return. So I think that
says a lot. And now I want to pivot to
the long term of it all. I think the Cardinals
are a good team that could get back in the mix,
but the NFC is deeper. This is in the AFC.
It's gonna be a tough road to get all the
(22:13):
way back with their brutal schedule. I don't think Kyler
Murray is going to be on this team next year,
and so that immediately makes him, in my mind. Looking
at the landscape, the most intriguing quarterback that could be available.
The draft doesn't look as as frisky, although obviously those
guys are going to be interesting. And then the free
(22:34):
agency and trade market is never great, and we'll talk
about a few guys. I think two is one of them,
but I think I think personally Kyler would have a
lot of value. Do you agree.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I think it's about fit, Like you have to think
about suitors. How desperate are the suitors first team? I
think I was the Browns, Like I wrote something down,
that's what I'm interested. Are they interested in Kyler Murray.
I mean that's not quarterback that necessarily fits the dynamic
or the style of offense. And Kevin Sefanki runs. In fact,
Jokobe percent ran it pretty well.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't think that's a fit.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
No, But yeah, I think he's gonna draw some Any
quarterback with any sort of history of success, whether it's
one year or you know, sprinkled in success here or there,
or high and low moments, which is the latter is
basically Kyler Murray's career is going to command interest because
there are never thirty two solid jobs. There are never
thirty two confirmed starters in the NFL. There's always interest somewhere.
(23:33):
So yes, I think he will draw interest.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah, and I think he is a better option than
plenty out there. He is only twenty eight years old.
He's shown a level of success for extended periods. The
problem is he hasn't like struck it over a cold season.
He'll of a hot month, they'll have a hot half season.
But at a pretty high level. The skill set is obvious.
(23:56):
I think there's concerns about how he leads. Patrick Peterson,
former teammate, has voiced those concerns when he was on
the team, and now he's voicing him as part of
the media that he doesn't think that he essentially rallies
the troops enough and gets the buy in from his
teammates in the way that Patrick Peterson would like to see.
That said, sometimes a second chance in a new place.
(24:19):
We've seen it with good quarterbacks. Like it was poisoned
for Darnold, it was poisoned for Baker, Gino Smith took
a while to get going. Daniel, Like, I think it
just could be good for him. If he's going to
have success. Maybe it's gonna be somewhere else where he's
out from the pressure and everything that's happened since he's
been the number one overall pick in Arizona.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I need to know the teams now because I'm thinking
about all those quarterbacks listed and like, it doesn't work
for Baker if he doesn't go through it, it doesn't
work for Sam if he doesn't have a year in Minnesota.
I need to know the teams.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Okay, Well, there's Miami number one. That's gonna be tricky
because if we'll get to Tua, but they'd have to
take on some cold by the.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Way, could you imagine mon scenario in which Steven Ross
doesn't fire Mike McDaniel at all and just like decides
to swamp quarterbacks because that would be absurd.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
In fact, and watching it was hilarious watching the Chris
Greer shots that they were trying to show, but he
was like behind the post. It was like, I'm hiding
from you.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I know you're there, just with the camera, Dan Marino.
He's wearing a teal jacket.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Right, Because yeah, the blame pie can go around, and
I think considering the fact that the Dolphins haven't won
a playoff game in twenty four years, was it and
that's the longest of any team in the NFL, I mean,
I think the blame pie has to start at the
very top because that's the most common, the thing that's
run through all those years. But Chris Grere has been
(25:38):
there basically that whole time too. By the way, he
hasn't been in charge the whole time, but he's been
in charge for a while. So I think you go
to the very top, and then I think you go
right under him, and that's Chris Gerey. So Mike McDaniel
would be lower for me, But I assume they're gonna
blow up the whole thing. So there's Miami, that one
could be tricky. There's the Saints. Our friend Adam is
immediately like, don't put that stink on me. I was like,
(25:58):
you should be so happy if you could get Kyler Murray.
He'd be the best post breeze quarterback you've had. I would,
I would. It's got to be better than whoever you
find for next year. You should be happy with Keller.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
With Kellen Moore. I don't mind that. I don't hate that.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I could see that. The Raiders I think are going
to be in the market for a quarterback. I don't
know what's going to be going on there, but Gino Smith,
you can get out of that contract, and unless it changes,
I think they're going to be looking. I can just
see that. Can't you just see Kyler Murray in this
over Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I mean in the silver black. Yeah. But the Raiders
are like very radioactive to me right now.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
So that's just well, it's not gonna be good for him.
And also I think Tom Brady's gonna making quarterback judgments recommendations.
I don't think Kyler Murray. I don't think he would
lean to the Jets could be looking for a quarterback.
You know, Justin Fields is on a two year contract,
but certainly they could be looking for an upgrade. You
(26:52):
mentioned the Browns after that, it'd have to be more
of a like a surprise team. Could Jacksonville be looking
for a quarterback? I don't know. Once we get once
we get further down the list, it gets into just
bigger surprises. But he'll have a market, I think. And
the contract is reasonable thirty six million dollars depending on
(27:14):
which part of the roster bonus when it's paid. Something
around thirty two million dollars has already been guaranteed. That's fine,
Like you would take that. There's really nothing past next year,
so it'd be a one year trial and you see
what happens with Kyler Murray. I think it'd be interesting.
I think he has a chance. I'm I'm planting my flag.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I'm thinking back a few years ago to when he
got this contract and then there was all the drama
and he cleared his social media and all that stuff.
And it's kind of crazy how when time passes suddenly
those contracts that seem so bloated and like could be
an albatross in future years. The way they're structured, You're like, nah,
you know, they can get out of it, Like it's fine,
it's totally feasible.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
We would find this.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
We set this stage going into the season. We felt
like the Cardinals twenty twenty five season was a a
judgment of Jonathan Gannon, but more importantly a judgment of
the future with Kyler Murray and whether he'd be there
or not. So now that we've arrived at this point,
I'm not at all surprised. Yeah, I think it could
definitely happen.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
And it was a really interesting time when if you
think back to it, because that was twenty twenty two,
and like they were under a lot of pressure to
commit to him. But then you look at this Gannon
you know, regime and the general manager you know, proceeds
Gannon there, and it was believed there was some pressure,
(28:31):
you know, coming from ownership too, and so he never
has exactly been the Cardinals guy in terms of their
general manager. Anyways, Okay, let's move on to Tua. I
was trying to think of Monty Austin for it's name,
and it was just like double check, now you got it.
When he was there, man, I think they got to
(28:54):
get out of this to of business. He doesn't make
sense without Mike McDaniel. I don't think Mike McDaniel's going
to be there. He has a lot of guaranteed money
next year, fifty four million dollars guaranteed, almost nothing after
next year. But I at least think they would check
around to see if there was some sort of market
for Tua. It's all going to depend who's running the
(29:15):
show there. But I just don't I just don't think
it's going to happen. I think he's a limited quarterback
and I would pay to get out of the toua market,
eat the dead money. In the short term, you actually
save money in terms of the salary cap next year
if you trade him, despite all that guaranteed money accelerating,
(29:36):
they would save money against the cap by trading him.
And with that in mind, if they would take on
some of the money, then I think another team would
be interested. Me maybe the Vikings would be interested in
a one bee like you're just just throwing different names
out there.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yeah, if the McCarthy thing continues to be a mystifying
experience as it's been so far, But yeah, you're right,
because they're eleven in the red right now, and they
would clear thirteen to four on a trade with next
year pre I think that, yeah, pre June first, right,
so it's yeah, I mean they'd clear eleven. They'd clear eleven,
which would get them out of the red that carry
forty five point two. Indead, it amounts somewhat to the
(30:13):
Broncos getting rid of Russell Wilson. And I think if
you're going for a regime change, in an identity shift
away from this creative motion heavy offense, we're gonna throw
it all over the yard YadA, YadA, YadA, like Tyreek Hill.
You know, he's talked about potentially retiring, Like if he
retired now, he'd be fine with it. Like a lot
of changes coming to this team, and I think it's necessary,
and I think it should involve your quarterback. Not to
(30:35):
just be like a guy who agrees with everything you
say on this specific episode, but like the proof is
in the tape now, I will say there have been
games where he's been very good. There have been games
where he's been very bad. Tonight was neither. He was
average and his teammates let him down. But if you're
changing your identity. You're right, Tua does not fit. The
only worst place to be though than where they're at
(30:57):
right now is a team with no idea and no quarterback,
and that's the big risk you take.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
He wasn't great tonight, but I think tonight was a
perfect example of he looks. I think he just has
a limited skill set. I don't think he's great adjusting
after this nap. He has to do a few certain
things well. He doesn't certainly doesn't create plays on his own,
and doesn't have a huge arm. And it's probably more
likely because of the contract that he will be there
(31:25):
with either a rookie or someone that he's competing with
for one last year. But I just am of the
mind that if it's a new head coach, like don't
waste that year. We see teams do that all the time,
and even if that's likely to happen, I don't think
it's a particularly good idea. By the way, I just
I did want to make a correction. Austin Forton Gannon
(31:45):
did completely inherit Murray, And what I was thinking about
was when they were hired. Remember they made the big
show of really embracing him and the timing was really
confusing because they had just signed Murray to that big
contract the previous summer before Kingsbury gets blown out in
the middle of that season, so it was the timing
was tricky. But remember they went to Oklahoma and went
(32:07):
to watch his number get retired, and it was a
big They were trying to really embrace him even though
that wasn't their guy, and I think they've tried to
make it work and it just hasn't.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
And that happens, you know, both of these players just
and I think there was probably more ammunition behind signing
Kyler than there was Tua. But we have found ourselves
in this strange position in the NFL these days, where
the contracts get bigger and bigger, and teams there's a
lot of confirmation by us within these front offices if
the front office that drafted the guy is still there.
(32:36):
You see that across a lot of different positions, but
especially at quarterback. Three guys come to mind that have
signed these big deals because they were due and there
were questions. Kyler, Tua, and Trevor Lawrence. Two of those
guys could be facing a new home next year. As
we just discussed, We'll see what happens with the Jaguars.
But last year it felt like maybe Trevor was headed
(32:58):
that way too. Weird weird time in the NFL to
be in a position where you've got to pay big
dollars to a guy that you might not be one
hundred percent convinced as your guy.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Well in a weird time. And I've always thought this
that the fourteenth best quarterback in the league gets a
pretty close to the same contract as the best quarterbacks
in the league. Like Jimmy Garoppolo has been the highest
paid quarterback in the league, Trevor Lawrence has been the
highest paid quarterback league to a tongue of blow has
been the highest paid quarterback in the league. It's a
(33:26):
weird system and it always makes me think that the
most underpaid and best value players in the NFL are
like Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes because it's like, why
are they the same as toua And if there was
no salary cap, they'd all be making one hundred and
fifty million dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I would defer their contract like Shoe Heeo Tani.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Right they till they moved to Japan after their careers.
I think Gino could be available by the way too,
and then a guy who would be on MVP ballots
if the MVP was voted for today and we'll be
doing our mid season awards next week. Daniel Jones also
a free agent. I don't list him and want to
even really go too deep into him, because if he
(34:07):
continues on this trajectory, there's just no way the Colts
are going to let him go. He'll be franchise tagged,
they'll figure out a contract, but teams do not get
let players like that go if they don't want to,
and there's no reason why he would want to go
anywhere anyways.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
And they are, they're fortunate, but they also deserve credit
for taking that swing on him because there's been a
lot of teams whose first round pick flames out and
they have nowhere else to go, and that's the track
they were on, and they were just like, you know what,
we need to bring in competition for Anthony Richardson. There's
been a lot of those situations are going to bring
in competition and it doesn't produce anything. This happened to
(34:43):
produce the perfect scenario for them where they could just
be like, Anthony, just stay over there. We got a
good thing going here. We'll pay this guy.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I did the Lockdown Vikings podcasts earlier this week, check
that out with Luke Brown, and we were saying they
had a chance to do that perfect scenario themselves and
just pay a few more dollars for Daniel Jones, and
they probably would have had to promise him a real
chance to win that starting job, and I don't think
they were ready to do that. And maybe JJ McCarthy
will prove this all stupid, and maybe Daniel Jones will
(35:13):
have a Sam Darnold like end to the year, which
will complicate matters for the Colts. But the difference is
the Colts don't have anyone waiting in the wings that
they're gonna have faith in. So I think Daniel Jones
is going to be there unless the Wheels came off
really hard. Don't think that's gonna happen, all right, The
Wheels stayed on this podcast even if they didn't stay
on this game. Love you, Shook, Appreciate you, and yes,
(35:38):
I hope your fan from the wedding in New Orleans
is listening. We will be back on Sunday. Check out
the pick show in the feed by the way, the
Cardinals are one of my picks. I don't care if
it's Jacobe Brissette. I like the Cardinals, but check out
all the other picks with me and Cynthia and check
shook myself. Patrick Jordan now on Sunday for the recap show.
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