June 20, 2025 • 28 mins
Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Patrick Claybon and Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic to open the NFL Daily mailbag. The crew answers questions about Brock Purdy and Kyle Shanahan's future (01:00), Tyreek Hill (04:40), Aaron Rodgers' production with the Steelers (06:40), Caleb Williams future success (10:26), the Texans backfield (14:30), a this or that between Myles Garrett and Ja'Marr Chase (16:30) and Baker Mayfield and Trevor Lawrence (22:00) and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're not talking about the
Carter six, no comments at this time, not taking questions
I have to ask, no taking questions, but we are
taking your questions.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
The listeners of NFL Daily.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Wesley podcast studio
with my friends Patrick Laban and Jordan Rodrigue of The Athletic,
and we're answering mail bag questions.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Let's go, Yes we are.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Unless they pertain to the recently released album with significant
features all across the musical landscape.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
No, we're not discussing those. You'll have to find my
texts with our old coworker Andrew Groover. They're going to
stay there. Let's get right to the mail bag. We
asked for your questions. I wanted to make sure we
got to them before we were totally broken apart for
the off season. So here's one from Trevor.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
I like this.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
He says, will brock Purty finish his contract with Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Trevor Lawrence, who still.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
As his head coach. This is top Trevor. This is
the top Trevor on Blue Sky where we asked for
the questions, what do you think I like that.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I like this. I think that's the hope for everybody.
I don't think you could ever speak in definitives when
you talk about the NFL with injuries and burnout and
all kinds of things, whether it's the player or the coach.
But like, yeah, I oh, without Kyle Shanahan. Guess no,
(01:36):
I did not read that correctly. I think that they
will finish. I think that they'll finish this contract together
as a cohesive unit that has probably some very interesting
stories to share long after both of them retire.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Yeah, I think the narrative benefits Kyle Shanahan in this
instance where they find a quarterback literally mister irrelevant, and
it's like, oh, Kyle Shanahan is uplifting this player in
making him look a certain way. But I think the
contract proves it that like Rock Party is Rock Party,
Like this is a singularly talented in his particular skill
(02:14):
set type of quarterback, but he's going to be linked
to Kyle Shanahan forever until I mean, Kyle Shanahan is
probably going to coach for twenty more years.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
So well, I'm officially higher on Rock Party now than consensus. Well,
based on that episode, we did earlier this offseason.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
We spent so many years just like not wanting to
not wanting to see it one year year, so many
weeks and months.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Players, you know, players improve, analysts improve. This is a
two part question because first of all, he has to
get to the end of the contract, you know, roughly
twenty thirty. Even if they tacked on more years, I'm
not counting that, so twenty thirty, so he would have
to get to the end. Kyle Shanahan would still have
to be the forty nine Ers head coach. Then both
the things have to happen. So you're saying, is there
(03:00):
a chance, I mean, of course there's a I would
say there's a decent chance. What are the odds that
Kyle Shanahan is still the forty nine Ers head coach
in five or six years? Is this the guy who
burns that that candle? Like he seemed pretty burnt out
by the end of it. You only need to have
like kind of one bad season for it all to
go wrong. If I had to guess, are they still
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a tandem in twenty thirty or not?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I think it's not.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I just because so many things can happen, whether it's
the pretty side or the Shanahan side. I really don't
think Shanahan and John Lynch are lasting that long, but
that's not a hot I.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Think they fit together, honestly. I think that one of
the regrets of certain members of that coaching tree was
to not have kept Kirk long term or been able
to be a partnership with Kirk Cousins long term. I
think that Kyle Shanahan understands that. I think he is.
They compliment each other very well personality wise. They even
(04:01):
with took the burnout and even with the potential for
injury and just you know, general fatigue or deterioration of
a player, they just they match. And I think that
Kyle has been through enough in his career, even when
he was much younger and still experiencing high level things
in the coaching world. I think he's been through enough
(04:21):
to understand that when you find that you stick with
it as long as you can, because the grass isn't
always greener.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
You've convinced me, and if Purtty is.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Just like I convinced you on, if he's just as.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Good as we think he is, then it'll go well
and they'll just be there. But that it's a long
time in NFL years, speaking of which I mean, it
feels like Tyreek Hill's Dolphin's career has already been a journey.
It's only been a handful of years. Our next question
is from Matt Arroy Hosts and he asks, if Tyreek
gets traded at some point, what's your confidence level that
(04:55):
Waddle can step in and become a number one on
his own? And I wanted to expand this to like,
do we I think Tyreek will get traded.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
I don't think Tyrek Hill is going to get traded.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I think collectively, and it's not just it can be
vibes based, but the things that Tua and Mike Mack
are saying and also Tyreek Hill, it collectively feels like
everybody knows that this is the last This is the
last dance for this rendition of the Miami Dolphins unless
they're successful. And I don't see the world and where
(05:26):
they're more successful by trading Tyreek Hill and getting what
I'm assuming is future draft picks and not necessarily a
player who's going to impact things immediately. So I don't
think Tyreek Hill is going to get traded. And yeah,
we saw we saw Wattle in a season in his
rookie year without Tyreek Hill being a viable number one,
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having only one hundred and fifteen catches.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Right, that's a fair point.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
So however you want to define one, like, does that
make him a top ten receiver league?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
No, I would not say.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
That, but if volume one is usually defined.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, it's somewhere in the twenty range. And does he
have more to give?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I think he is that good. I think his contract
is worth it. The scenario for Tyreek getting traded is
that they're two and five before the trade deadline and
ownership makes them because he's like, I don't see a
future with this current group. But that would essentially be
more or less giving up, which is it's it's a
little hard to like those trades just don't happen.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
And it could ultimately lead to like an AFC bidding
war among contenders to not just to get Tyreek kill,
but to keep somebody else from getting Tyre kill.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
The NFL did move that trade deadline back. I liked one.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I hope they keep doing that, Like, I want it
in you know, mid November. I want it after Thanksgiving
when football really begins.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
It's still it's still early November, but that is a
step in the right direction, all right. Our next question
is from Timothy and he asked, will Aaron Rodgers be
a better number eight than tat Tommy Maddox for the Steelers.
I think it's a I think that's a pretty high bar,
(06:58):
actually a higher bar than most non Steelers fans would say,
because Steelers fans, I think, would say Tommy Gunn got
us into the playoffs and gave us some fun, like
we had fun with Tommy Gunn.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I'm gonna say no, that's my answer.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I like good quarterback nicknames.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
I'm a fan of that, I think because I think
the answer is yes. But also it's instructive in that
when they went on that run, Tommy Maddox threw sixteen
interceptions and he threw twenty touchdowns and he was out
there taking chances.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
And Aaron Rodgers is so safe, hmmm, is so safe?
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Like I think if Aaron Rodgers throw sixteen interceptions, it's
gonna ultimately be a good thing because he's out there
taking risks and it not only makes the Steelers more watchable,
like we love watching Aaron Rodgers throw the football. We
don't like Aaron Rodgers throwing the football to people on
the sideline and support staff, So like, go out there
and try, like, let's do it. Don't worry about the stats.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Yeah, I'd like to see him go a little bit
devil make care in the latest, latest, latest, latest stages
of his career. I think that that would whether it
goes well or is a complete disaster, it is something
so exciting for that fan base have been waiting for
a while.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
This is really just an excuse for me to talk
about Tommy.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Maddock do it another advisor guy. We've been talking a
lot over the last couple shows about people who can
pull off avisor Tommy Maddox can pull off avisor.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
So he won that playoff game.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Important detail include in this segment.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Against the Browns, and it was I believe the Browns
first playoff game as the new Cleveland franchise, thirty six
to thirty three. Remember watching that with noted Steelers fan,
my fan, my friend Anthony jessel Nick. And then the
next week they lost thirty four to thirty one. So
Tommy Maddox is putting up thirty points in back to
back weeks in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
He won comeback player of.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
The Year that that season they went, they went seven
to three in his starts in the regular season, taking
over for Cordell Stewart. I mean they were the you know,
a super Bowl favorite, probably the favorite other than the Rams,
certainly in the AFC like the year before. And he
takes over for Cordell Stewart. It's a lot of controversy.
He wins Comeback Player of the Year and what was
he coming back from. He was coming back from being
(09:13):
Tommy Maddox. He had not thrown more than ten passes
in a season for eight seasons. That is a that
is a geno Smith like like times two time in
the wilderness that you are in the NFL. But he
literally didn't throw a pass for six straight years. Then
he threw seven. And then he comes in and has
this this.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Renaissidevin as Lucky number seven.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Yes, because he kind of petermanded his rookie year.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
It was was handing the ball to the other team
a whole lot.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, and he was a first round pick.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
It didn't go well, and then he just was spending
all sorts of time and that was you know, people,
I don't I don't think Aaron Rodgers is going to
reach those sides. I mean, thirty points in back to
back playoff games, jokes aside is a real thing. He
was playing at a high level. So I think if
they got that sort of season out of Rodgers, they'd
be pumped.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Win one playoff game played.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I mean, can we keep a playoff game, you know,
under a twenty point loss Steelers, that would be nice.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I just personally feel it's important to note for the
record that that two thousand and two season I was ten.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, I'm not to note that not going to be
in your wheelhouse. For the record, I was not working
in football at the time. Well, I was a little
bit Fox Sports Highlights. That was fun.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
What are the chances that the book written about Caleb
Williams and Quarterbacks derails the Bears season and Caleb's career
in Chicago if the Bears are below five hundred in
November and this is from Clive Zero.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Club, zero chance. Because a it is a book about
the American quarterback in general, the rise of the position,
the history of the position, the sociology of the position,
the psychology of the position. Knowing Seth Wickersham the author
a little bit, it's about so much more than Caleb Williams.
(11:00):
And the only people who could potentially derail Caleb Williams's
career in Chicago are Caleb Williams and all the people
in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
You know, they're going to have patients.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
This is not like being under five hundred in November
is not that crazy or unexpected of a result. They
could be like two and seven and it's going to
be hot and it's going to be a problem. But
they are going to be patient with this group, and
I don't think that's going to happen to.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Yeah, how people play and execute the game is ultimately
what determines things. And if if Pallas intrigued from seth
Wickersham is what derails things, then how many super Bowl
should the Patriots have won?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Also, it already happened, right, great point, Another great book.
I Uh, that's a great point. If anything, you could say,
it's sort.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Of yeah, maybe maybe it makes everybody trying to.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Trial Dynasty incoming twenty four.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Twenty sixteen, or it doesn't matter, and like you just
have to score more points than.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
The other two.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yes, and I am excited to read that book.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I will say I am too. Our next question is
from Andy. He says, if the Yes, if the the
NFL had an award for the world would be a
better place if there were more people like you who
would be some candidates can be players, coaches, staff, front
office owners.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I feel like you got a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I have so many people. I wasn't prepared for this.
I wasn't even looking at these questions before we started.
I can think like I mentioned him on previous show,
Julius Pepper's Kurk Coleman, Thomas Davis, Uh, Eric Reid. Let's see,
I'm thinking of people who I was with in Caroline Taylor, Taylor, Moton,
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Chris Manhertz who was always checking over Chris mental health,
JJ Janssen, Rob Havenstein here in Los Angeles, Uh, Puka
Nakula Epitome of Joy. You know so so many people,
John spy Tech, really really good person. Brian Xanders who's
going over in in to take a scouting job in Jacksonville,
(12:59):
Taylor More not Moton, but Morton, who is in a
lead role in the Rams franchise. Right now, I'm just
naming like under.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
You did a great job.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
I'm naming like under the Radar people minus Puka, because
I don't. We don't give a lot of these people
like a ton of pop all the time. But there
are so many good people in every corner of this league.
It is just when the world feels bad and scary,
it is really important to remember, like how many good
people there are. And there are so many good people
in every locker room and all thirty two of these teams,
(13:30):
and it's just awesome.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Well said Chris Pabona.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Asked, isn't that just the Walter Payton Man of the Year,
And I say no, not really, because that's that's service
in your community.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
And this there Andrew Whitworth. Everyone should be more like
Andrew Whitwork.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
They are great, great people, of course, but we're highlighting
our own. And I think it's just more like this
is more about like what they're bringing energy wise to
everyone around them.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
And not just because he was a Man of the
Year winter. But kalais Campbell, right, it's so many like
all good dude, not under anybody's right our first wall
because he's massive, but he has those you know, those
official corporate awards and recognition. But then you saw like
when his teammate was being assaulted by the police, Kalaius
Campbell was literally there. Yeah, this is it wasn't just
(14:12):
talk and like you know, organizing. Also, like he took action.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Immediately, Bobby Wagner, he does.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
That for other people as well, So like, yeah, feel
like coaches were underrepresented here.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Let's start Tamiko Ryans. I think he would be a
good one.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
There were more people like Damiko Ryans, the world would
be a better place. Let's go to a surprising question
from a guy who goes by first down Punts on
Blue Sky, and he said, chances that Joe Mixon is
cut or traded after Nick Chubb's signings.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
And I just wanted to bring this.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Up, not to dismiss this question, because yeah, I agree,
I think it's zero, but to point out that Joe
Mixon has spoken really highly of Nick Chubb in the past.
They came out in the exact same class. I think,
like game recognizes game, and in a perfect world where
Nick Chubb is feeling and healthier this year, those two
guys are gonna have a ton of fun together, I believe.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Well, I mean the name first down punts probably hearkens
to some of those Brian Hoyer Texans era and so
like I understand where the proficiency for negativity could come from.
But yeah, I think I wrote slim and none on
my notes because yeah, they're going now.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
There's no Also, no matter how good Chubb looks in
training camp, I don't think you're gonna just blindly have
faith that he is your main guy. My great thing
I think for both of them is they're just a
backup plan for each other. Clearly Chubb is is going
to be the backup. But like if mix and miss
Mi misses a game, then you have Chub waiton.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yeah, it's a it's a one two punch at times too.
If that serves to be helpful, you know you're you're
not giving such a heavy workload on either one of
those players if you can work them in tandem a
little bit more. But Joe Mixon, other than when he
was hurt, he like carried that offense many weeks and
looks excellent, looks like he's aging in reverse. I hope
(16:03):
the same for Nick Chubb because when he's on, he's
such a special player.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, and they also drafted.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
The also a good person who makes people around him better.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
C J.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Stroud said at first he didn't like recognize Nick Chubb
when he saw him in the locker room, and then
he got a little starstruck because like I used to
watch Nick Chubb and he's just such a good player.
And now you think, like, oh, yeah, it's true, Like
Nick Chubb's not that old. He's only been the NFL
what eight or nine years, But within those eight or
nine years, c J. Stroud was literally in high school. Yeah,
(16:32):
you know, watching him like just amazing. Rack up big
numbers higher number this year, Miles Garrett, Sachs Patrick or
Jamar Chase touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
The safer pick is Garrett at sacks because you know
he's he's done that consistently, consistently, more longer. But Jamar
had seventeen touchdown nteen last season, so that would eclipse
any Garrett season. But Miles average is fourteen point nine,
so the safe pick is going to be Miles sack.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Garrett is the first player in NFL history to have
more than fourteen sacks in four street seasons.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I think he's still at his peaks. All go Gerett, Yeah,
close enough.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Honestly, my first instinct was, of course, it's Jamar Chase touchdowns.
Watching the stat line from last year, but then you
convinced me, Patrick, because the averages really kind of work
in Miles Garrett's favor.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Frankly, but you know, Jamar does play the Ravens twice,
so he could have sixteen touchdowns this year.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Or andre Yoshovask could score like, you know, fifteen touchdowns
this year if he keeps his rate up of scoring
touchdowns per catch. Do run hot heavy offenses takeover in
twenty twenty five? This is from Stage eight Final Boss
great name or did we see a high water mark
of the run heavy offenses last season?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
M I mean, I think I don't think that this
is a cycle that's by any means over Once the
run game first, okay, first it was the guards, right first,
the guards got bigger. Okay, Then the run game started
ascending across the league, and even before that, defense has
got lighter to counter the passing game. And then the
(18:09):
guards got bigger, and then the run game got more
consistent and started to pop. Then the outliers started to
pop the run game, which increased the market for running backs.
And now we're seeing sort of the mean, I think
the mean years of what this cycle is going to be.
What will happen next? Is then the tight ends are
going to start working in more twelve personnel to make
the run game then even more effective, and then to
get heavier. Definitely seeing that, and then you're going to
(18:31):
see the defenses get bigger to count, You're going to
see more hybrid safeties, You're going to see more hybrid linebackers.
And then all of a sudden, something's going to come
along that snaps all of us back to twenty seventeen
and we start all over again. Thank you very much,
laves and gentlemen.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
I think, right, it's more of a reflection of the
players in respective systems, and because as information sharing becomes
more ubiquitous, right, and more people are working off the
same bits of like provable days to teams and coaches
are adjusting their usage to the skill set. And like
(19:06):
we had seven guys carry the ball three hundred or
more times last season, and all but two of them
have previously done it, right, It was the first time
for Bijon, it was the first time for Kyraen Williams,
and I like Sakwan Derrick, Henry, Josh Jacobs, Jonathan Taylor.
If those guys are healthy, they're going to carry the
ball a lot, and so like, it's not like two
thousand and four when Dominic Williams was carrying the ball
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three hundred times, Like, if you don't have one of
those guys, then I doubt a team is going to
devote significant resources to that style of play because like why,
like your skills are probably aligned elsewhere, and so I
don't know like this, like Jordan said, the cycle is
going to come back, but I think it's more related
to the personnel, like Ashton Genty may see the Raiders
(19:48):
carries go up, but I don't know how much it
changes league wide.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Shout out to Dominic Davis and originally changing his name
to Dominic Williams. If you're like a fantasy head back
in the odds, I was like, didn't you mean Dominic
Davis Son's Oh yeah, that was pre name change.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I think this is the year after the trend really
got super charged in terms of run heavy offenses. So no,
it's the copycat league where actually the earliest that it
could start, you know, backsliding would be next year, because
I think we're going to overdose on it now. But
I think it's I think in terms of the overall league,
the trend is going to continue.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
And that's the question for fantasy heads, Like who's that
running back is getting carries that he shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Be the outliers, Yeah, you have to look at the outliers.
And then also, like, the thing about sustaining this is
that you have to be able to move people to
holistically shift the league, like physically move them off the
line of scrimmage, to shift the league fully into sustaining
this for not just a couple of years of a cycle,
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but multiple generations of players. And whereas on the converse,
what you can always regardless of a wide range of
skill set at one position. And also, of course keeping
the quarterback. I always say this around continuous continuit to
continue keeping the quarterback the same, the position relatively the same,
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Like you can space and scheme up the passing game
in ways that yes, you can sort of do that
with the run game, but it doesn't work if you
can't consistently move people over years and years and years
and years.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I like the question. I like that it's getting deep.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I know we can do a whole episode on that,
good question.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Maybe we will.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Speaking of episodes, our next question is from a guy
on Blue Sky dirist bear who asks will QB Island
return and will have more formal rules or.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Be more lord of the flies?
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Sneak some questions, not even a sneak this, I take
that personally.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
It did have rules.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
And Greg just shirked them.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Like all rules, there's some wiggle room and in terms
of legality, QB Island will definitely be back. I love
this next question. It's from Socks and Boots, and yes,
we'll do a QB Island episode, certainly before the season
during training camp.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I would say it will be the next time.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I planning Greg, I've been sowing the seeds of ally
ship with certain individuals.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
Wow, I've already got machinations.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Maybe we'll have to do an episode while Jordan's on vacation.
I love this question. It was pretty deep. It basically said,
is there any opponent with enough juice to get the
Texans out of the traditional West of His spot? Assuming
that the Texans win the AFC South this year and
(22:41):
get the four seed.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
This is my kind of question. Now.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
The West of His Spot is the early Saturday afternoon
first playoff game, generally given to the teams that they
think will have the lowest television ratings. For whatever reason,
was usually the Andy Dalton ben go for many years.
But the Texans have taken over and they own that
spot now it's always the Texans spot. And so the
(23:06):
question is is there anyone that they could even play
in that game that would have enough juice to get
to wrench the Texans out? And it's funny that you're
just assuming that the Texans are a four seed too.
That kind of cracks me up.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
What do you think, Well, clearly right the dudes, if
it's Josh or Yes or Patrick or Lamar right or Joe.
But then Bengals Texans takes us right back to the
og west of US, right, So like does that count?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
But does Burro they are a national team now in
a way that they weren't, then does Burrow's heat get
them out of that spot?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
It should? To me, that's more of a Saturday night game.
I agree.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I think any of those quarterbacks, if they were stuck
as a wild card, would wrench the Texans out of
it and wrench any AFC South.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Team out of it.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
The Texans, you know, Houston's a big spot. That's a footballwn.
We got stars there, Nico and CJ.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Beyonce was there. Hey, they performed there.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
They were trying to kind of make the Texans were
in that that Christmas and Saturday game window with all
the big wigs. So yes, I don't think the Texans
are stuck there forever.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
C J.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Stroud's big time player.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
All Right, our last question will our second to last question,
will Trevor Lawrence or Baker Mayfield have a better season?
I figured you guys would be the ones to ask this.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I'm gonna go Baker. I can't not, you know, like
team Baker. I mean, this thing is I love the
Trevor Lawrence is going to have Liam Cohen. I love
the pairing of Liam Cohen and Grant Jinski, who was
in Minnesota most recently under Kevin O'Connell. I love val
Travis Hunter being there. I love Brian Thomas. I think
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that this has all the makings of an offense on
the rise. But the Bucks are already here. They're already here,
and they have to come out of the gate their
foot on the gas, and I think they will. And
I think Baker is going to do that thing where
he just takes on this like demon Baker. You know,
He's like he just becomes this like other version of
himself on the field, that's like getting in people's face
(25:14):
masks and bringing everybody up with him. And then Mike
Evans and Chris Godwin are so chill and get along
with everybody, and then Baker's like screaming, and I just
I love the dynamics of that team.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Yeah, there's there's a little Tyrese Haliburton in Baker's game.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
When it looks good, it's like, wow, this guy is untouchable.
And when it looks weird, it's like, what's what's going on?
What's what's the ultimate player here? Like why are you
doing this? And for for Trevor, like we've seen when
he when they're able to execute at a very high level,
it's like, wow, okay, yeah number one overall big, Like
I see, I see why all this happened. And there's
for me like better season dictates like division success mm M.
(25:51):
And I feel like considering all the injury issues that
the Colts are dealing with, like I think if if
Dimes does have to play five games, that's one thing.
The Texans, of course are their own problem, but I
think in the South with the Titans trying to figure
things out, like maybe, oh, the season long propositions are
better in Douval.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
So I'll say.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I do worry the off season's been so long that
I don't want to circle back on my how good
the Bucks are going to be because I do think
the expectations are going to be higher and can Baker
be as consistent?
Speaker 5 (26:26):
You know?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
And this is now going to be year three there
with another coordinator, but ultimately, yeah, I'm going Baker. I
am going to I'm not going to do the thing
where I just start countering my own arguments because the
off season has been too long, I believe.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I have to say. I have to say, like, what
one part of believing in the in the Bucks, And
you're going to have to I'll send over the welcome
basket for this as well. Like you have to make
sure you go into the Baker Mayfield experience not really
expecting total consistency everywhere. You expect it to be like
an MDMA laced roller coaster ride throughout the entire season,
(26:59):
and ultimately you buy in because this guy wills his
team to win, and he's got the like all heart
and the personality and like the thing that brings people
with him that I still have. I have always spoken
up for Trevor Lawrence. Remember last season, I was the
one who's like, get that coaching staff out of here,
get him a better coaching staff, get this guy on track.
He could be great. I believe in Trevor Lawrence. I
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just believe in that like that little extra, like intangible
thing that Baker Mayfield clearly has.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
With this Bucks team, A little some something, you guys, Well, season,
we've got it. As a show. The end of the
off season is here, at least what the NFL calls
an off season, the minne Camsta. So the real NFL
off season is actually just starting right now. And so
our last question is actually from Tequila Guy seventy seven
(27:51):
on Blue Sky.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
He asks, is football back?
Speaker 5 (27:56):
He answers no,
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're not talking about the
Carter six, no comments at this time, not taking questions
I have to ask, no taking questions, but we are
taking your questions.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
The listeners of NFL Daily.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Wesley podcast studio
with my friends Patrick Laban and Jordan Rodrigue of The Athletic,
and we're answering mail bag questions.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Let's go, Yes we are.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Unless they pertain to the recently released album with significant
features all across the musical landscape.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
No, we're not discussing those. You'll have to find my
texts with our old coworker Andrew Groover. They're going to
stay there. Let's get right to the mail bag. We
asked for your questions. I wanted to make sure we
got to them before we were totally broken apart for
the off season. So here's one from Trevor.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
I like this.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
He says, will brock Purty finish his contract with Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Trevor Lawrence, who still.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
As his head coach. This is top Trevor. This is
the top Trevor on Blue Sky where we asked for
the questions, what do you think I like that.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I like this. I think that's the hope for everybody.
I don't think you could ever speak in definitives when
you talk about the NFL with injuries and burnout and
all kinds of things, whether it's the player or the coach.
But like, yeah, I oh, without Kyle Shanahan. Guess no,
(01:36):
I did not read that correctly. I think that they
will finish. I think that they'll finish this contract together
as a cohesive unit that has probably some very interesting
stories to share long after both of them retire.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Yeah, I think the narrative benefits Kyle Shanahan in this
instance where they find a quarterback literally mister irrelevant, and
it's like, oh, Kyle Shanahan is uplifting this player in
making him look a certain way. But I think the
contract proves it that like Rock Party is Rock Party,
Like this is a singularly talented in his particular skill
(02:14):
set type of quarterback, but he's going to be linked
to Kyle Shanahan forever until I mean, Kyle Shanahan is
probably going to coach for twenty more years.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
So well, I'm officially higher on Rock Party now than consensus. Well,
based on that episode, we did earlier this offseason.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
We spent so many years just like not wanting to
not wanting to see it one year year, so many
weeks and months.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Players, you know, players improve, analysts improve. This is a
two part question because first of all, he has to
get to the end of the contract, you know, roughly
twenty thirty. Even if they tacked on more years, I'm
not counting that, so twenty thirty, so he would have
to get to the end. Kyle Shanahan would still have
to be the forty nine Ers head coach. Then both
the things have to happen. So you're saying, is there
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a chance, I mean, of course there's a I would
say there's a decent chance. What are the odds that
Kyle Shanahan is still the forty nine Ers head coach
in five or six years? Is this the guy who
burns that that candle? Like he seemed pretty burnt out
by the end of it. You only need to have
like kind of one bad season for it all to
go wrong. If I had to guess, are they still
(03:22):
a tandem in twenty thirty or not?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I think it's not.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I just because so many things can happen, whether it's
the pretty side or the Shanahan side. I really don't
think Shanahan and John Lynch are lasting that long, but
that's not a hot I.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Think they fit together, honestly. I think that one of
the regrets of certain members of that coaching tree was
to not have kept Kirk long term or been able
to be a partnership with Kirk Cousins long term. I
think that Kyle Shanahan understands that. I think he is.
They compliment each other very well personality wise. They even
(04:01):
with took the burnout and even with the potential for
injury and just you know, general fatigue or deterioration of
a player, they just they match. And I think that
Kyle has been through enough in his career, even when
he was much younger and still experiencing high level things
in the coaching world. I think he's been through enough
(04:21):
to understand that when you find that you stick with
it as long as you can, because the grass isn't
always greener.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
You've convinced me, and if Purtty is.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Just like I convinced you on, if he's just as.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Good as we think he is, then it'll go well
and they'll just be there. But that it's a long
time in NFL years, speaking of which I mean, it
feels like Tyreek Hill's Dolphin's career has already been a journey.
It's only been a handful of years. Our next question
is from Matt Arroy Hosts and he asks, if Tyreek
gets traded at some point, what's your confidence level that
(04:55):
Waddle can step in and become a number one on
his own? And I wanted to expand this to like,
do we I think Tyreek will get traded.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
I don't think Tyrek Hill is going to get traded.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
I think collectively, and it's not just it can be
vibes based, but the things that Tua and Mike Mack
are saying and also Tyreek Hill, it collectively feels like
everybody knows that this is the last This is the
last dance for this rendition of the Miami Dolphins unless
they're successful. And I don't see the world and where
(05:26):
they're more successful by trading Tyreek Hill and getting what
I'm assuming is future draft picks and not necessarily a
player who's going to impact things immediately. So I don't
think Tyreek Hill is going to get traded. And yeah,
we saw we saw Wattle in a season in his
rookie year without Tyreek Hill being a viable number one,
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having only one hundred and fifteen catches.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Right, that's a fair point.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
So however you want to define one, like, does that
make him a top ten receiver league?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
No, I would not say.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
That, but if volume one is usually defined.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, it's somewhere in the twenty range. And does he
have more to give?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I think he is that good. I think his contract
is worth it. The scenario for Tyreek getting traded is
that they're two and five before the trade deadline and
ownership makes them because he's like, I don't see a
future with this current group. But that would essentially be
more or less giving up, which is it's it's a
little hard to like those trades just don't happen.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
And it could ultimately lead to like an AFC bidding
war among contenders to not just to get Tyreek kill,
but to keep somebody else from getting Tyre kill.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
The NFL did move that trade deadline back. I liked one.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
I hope they keep doing that, Like, I want it
in you know, mid November. I want it after Thanksgiving
when football really begins.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
It's still it's still early November, but that is a
step in the right direction, all right. Our next question
is from Timothy and he asked, will Aaron Rodgers be
a better number eight than tat Tommy Maddox for the Steelers.
I think it's a I think that's a pretty high bar,
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actually a higher bar than most non Steelers fans would say,
because Steelers fans, I think, would say Tommy Gunn got
us into the playoffs and gave us some fun, like
we had fun with Tommy Gunn.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I'm gonna say no, that's my answer.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I like good quarterback nicknames.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
I'm a fan of that, I think because I think
the answer is yes. But also it's instructive in that
when they went on that run, Tommy Maddox threw sixteen
interceptions and he threw twenty touchdowns and he was out
there taking chances.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
And Aaron Rodgers is so safe, hmmm, is so safe?
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Like I think if Aaron Rodgers throw sixteen interceptions, it's
gonna ultimately be a good thing because he's out there
taking risks and it not only makes the Steelers more watchable,
like we love watching Aaron Rodgers throw the football. We
don't like Aaron Rodgers throwing the football to people on
the sideline and support staff, So like, go out there
and try, like, let's do it. Don't worry about the stats.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Yeah, I'd like to see him go a little bit
devil make care in the latest, latest, latest, latest stages
of his career. I think that that would whether it
goes well or is a complete disaster, it is something
so exciting for that fan base have been waiting for
a while.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
This is really just an excuse for me to talk
about Tommy.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Maddock do it another advisor guy. We've been talking a
lot over the last couple shows about people who can
pull off avisor Tommy Maddox can pull off avisor.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
So he won that playoff game.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Important detail include in this segment.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Against the Browns, and it was I believe the Browns
first playoff game as the new Cleveland franchise, thirty six
to thirty three. Remember watching that with noted Steelers fan,
my fan, my friend Anthony jessel Nick. And then the
next week they lost thirty four to thirty one. So
Tommy Maddox is putting up thirty points in back to
back weeks in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
He won comeback player of.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
The Year that that season they went, they went seven
to three in his starts in the regular season, taking
over for Cordell Stewart. I mean they were the you know,
a super Bowl favorite, probably the favorite other than the Rams,
certainly in the AFC like the year before. And he
takes over for Cordell Stewart. It's a lot of controversy.
He wins Comeback Player of the Year and what was
he coming back from. He was coming back from being
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Tommy Maddox. He had not thrown more than ten passes
in a season for eight seasons. That is a that
is a geno Smith like like times two time in
the wilderness that you are in the NFL. But he
literally didn't throw a pass for six straight years. Then
he threw seven. And then he comes in and has
this this.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Renaissidevin as Lucky number seven.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Yes, because he kind of petermanded his rookie year.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
It was was handing the ball to the other team
a whole lot.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, and he was a first round pick.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
It didn't go well, and then he just was spending
all sorts of time and that was you know, people,
I don't I don't think Aaron Rodgers is going to
reach those sides. I mean, thirty points in back to
back playoff games, jokes aside is a real thing. He
was playing at a high level. So I think if
they got that sort of season out of Rodgers, they'd
be pumped.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Win one playoff game played.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I mean, can we keep a playoff game, you know,
under a twenty point loss Steelers, that would be nice.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I just personally feel it's important to note for the
record that that two thousand and two season I was ten.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, I'm not to note that not going to be
in your wheelhouse. For the record, I was not working
in football at the time. Well, I was a little
bit Fox Sports Highlights. That was fun.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
What are the chances that the book written about Caleb
Williams and Quarterbacks derails the Bears season and Caleb's career
in Chicago if the Bears are below five hundred in
November and this is from Clive Zero.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Club, zero chance. Because a it is a book about
the American quarterback in general, the rise of the position,
the history of the position, the sociology of the position,
the psychology of the position. Knowing Seth Wickersham the author
a little bit, it's about so much more than Caleb Williams.
(11:00):
And the only people who could potentially derail Caleb Williams's
career in Chicago are Caleb Williams and all the people
in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
You know, they're going to have patients.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
This is not like being under five hundred in November
is not that crazy or unexpected of a result. They
could be like two and seven and it's going to
be hot and it's going to be a problem. But
they are going to be patient with this group, and
I don't think that's going to happen to.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Yeah, how people play and execute the game is ultimately
what determines things. And if if Pallas intrigued from seth
Wickersham is what derails things, then how many super Bowl
should the Patriots have won?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Also, it already happened, right, great point, Another great book.
I Uh, that's a great point. If anything, you could say,
it's sort.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Of yeah, maybe maybe it makes everybody trying to.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Trial Dynasty incoming twenty four.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Twenty sixteen, or it doesn't matter, and like you just
have to score more points than.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
The other two.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yes, and I am excited to read that book.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I will say I am too. Our next question is
from Andy. He says, if the Yes, if the the
NFL had an award for the world would be a
better place if there were more people like you who
would be some candidates can be players, coaches, staff, front
office owners.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I feel like you got a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I have so many people. I wasn't prepared for this.
I wasn't even looking at these questions before we started.
I can think like I mentioned him on previous show,
Julius Pepper's Kurk Coleman, Thomas Davis, Uh, Eric Reid. Let's see,
I'm thinking of people who I was with in Caroline Taylor, Taylor, Moton,
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Chris Manhertz who was always checking over Chris mental health,
JJ Janssen, Rob Havenstein here in Los Angeles, Uh, Puka
Nakula Epitome of Joy. You know so so many people,
John spy Tech, really really good person. Brian Xanders who's
going over in in to take a scouting job in Jacksonville,
(12:59):
Taylor More not Moton, but Morton, who is in a
lead role in the Rams franchise. Right now, I'm just
naming like under.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
You did a great job.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
I'm naming like under the Radar people minus Puka, because
I don't. We don't give a lot of these people
like a ton of pop all the time. But there
are so many good people in every corner of this league.
It is just when the world feels bad and scary,
it is really important to remember, like how many good
people there are. And there are so many good people
in every locker room and all thirty two of these teams,
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and it's just awesome.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Well said Chris Pabona.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Asked, isn't that just the Walter Payton Man of the Year,
And I say no, not really, because that's that's service
in your community.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
And this there Andrew Whitworth. Everyone should be more like
Andrew Whitwork.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
They are great, great people, of course, but we're highlighting
our own. And I think it's just more like this
is more about like what they're bringing energy wise to
everyone around them.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
And not just because he was a Man of the
Year winter. But kalais Campbell, right, it's so many like
all good dude, not under anybody's right our first wall
because he's massive, but he has those you know, those
official corporate awards and recognition. But then you saw like
when his teammate was being assaulted by the police, Kalaius
Campbell was literally there. Yeah, this is it wasn't just
(14:12):
talk and like you know, organizing. Also, like he took action.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Immediately, Bobby Wagner, he does.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
That for other people as well, So like, yeah, feel
like coaches were underrepresented here.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Let's start Tamiko Ryans. I think he would be a
good one.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
There were more people like Damiko Ryans, the world would
be a better place. Let's go to a surprising question
from a guy who goes by first down Punts on
Blue Sky, and he said, chances that Joe Mixon is
cut or traded after Nick Chubb's signings.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
And I just wanted to bring this.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Up, not to dismiss this question, because yeah, I agree,
I think it's zero, but to point out that Joe
Mixon has spoken really highly of Nick Chubb in the past.
They came out in the exact same class. I think,
like game recognizes game, and in a perfect world where
Nick Chubb is feeling and healthier this year, those two
guys are gonna have a ton of fun together, I believe.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Well, I mean the name first down punts probably hearkens
to some of those Brian Hoyer Texans era and so
like I understand where the proficiency for negativity could come from.
But yeah, I think I wrote slim and none on
my notes because yeah, they're going now.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
There's no Also, no matter how good Chubb looks in
training camp, I don't think you're gonna just blindly have
faith that he is your main guy. My great thing
I think for both of them is they're just a
backup plan for each other. Clearly Chubb is is going
to be the backup. But like if mix and miss
Mi misses a game, then you have Chub waiton.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yeah, it's a it's a one two punch at times too.
If that serves to be helpful, you know you're you're
not giving such a heavy workload on either one of
those players if you can work them in tandem a
little bit more. But Joe Mixon, other than when he
was hurt, he like carried that offense many weeks and
looks excellent, looks like he's aging in reverse. I hope
(16:03):
the same for Nick Chubb because when he's on, he's
such a special player.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, and they also drafted.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
The also a good person who makes people around him better.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
C J.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Stroud said at first he didn't like recognize Nick Chubb
when he saw him in the locker room, and then
he got a little starstruck because like I used to
watch Nick Chubb and he's just such a good player.
And now you think, like, oh, yeah, it's true, Like
Nick Chubb's not that old. He's only been the NFL
what eight or nine years, But within those eight or
nine years, c J. Stroud was literally in high school. Yeah,
(16:32):
you know, watching him like just amazing. Rack up big
numbers higher number this year, Miles Garrett, Sachs Patrick or
Jamar Chase touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
The safer pick is Garrett at sacks because you know
he's he's done that consistently, consistently, more longer. But Jamar
had seventeen touchdown nteen last season, so that would eclipse
any Garrett season. But Miles average is fourteen point nine,
so the safe pick is going to be Miles sack.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Garrett is the first player in NFL history to have
more than fourteen sacks in four street seasons.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I think he's still at his peaks. All go Gerett, Yeah,
close enough.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Honestly, my first instinct was, of course, it's Jamar Chase touchdowns.
Watching the stat line from last year, but then you
convinced me, Patrick, because the averages really kind of work
in Miles Garrett's favor.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Frankly, but you know, Jamar does play the Ravens twice,
so he could have sixteen touchdowns this year.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Or andre Yoshovask could score like, you know, fifteen touchdowns
this year if he keeps his rate up of scoring
touchdowns per catch. Do run hot heavy offenses takeover in
twenty twenty five? This is from Stage eight Final Boss
great name or did we see a high water mark
of the run heavy offenses last season?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
M I mean, I think I don't think that this
is a cycle that's by any means over Once the
run game first, okay, first it was the guards, right first,
the guards got bigger. Okay, Then the run game started
ascending across the league, and even before that, defense has
got lighter to counter the passing game. And then the
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guards got bigger, and then the run game got more
consistent and started to pop. Then the outliers started to
pop the run game, which increased the market for running backs.
And now we're seeing sort of the mean, I think
the mean years of what this cycle is going to be.
What will happen next? Is then the tight ends are
going to start working in more twelve personnel to make
the run game then even more effective, and then to
get heavier. Definitely seeing that, and then you're going to
(18:31):
see the defenses get bigger to count, You're going to
see more hybrid safeties, You're going to see more hybrid linebackers.
And then all of a sudden, something's going to come
along that snaps all of us back to twenty seventeen
and we start all over again. Thank you very much,
laves and gentlemen.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
I think, right, it's more of a reflection of the
players in respective systems, and because as information sharing becomes
more ubiquitous, right, and more people are working off the
same bits of like provable days to teams and coaches
are adjusting their usage to the skill set. And like
(19:06):
we had seven guys carry the ball three hundred or
more times last season, and all but two of them
have previously done it, right, It was the first time
for Bijon, it was the first time for Kyraen Williams,
and I like Sakwan Derrick, Henry, Josh Jacobs, Jonathan Taylor.
If those guys are healthy, they're going to carry the
ball a lot, and so like, it's not like two
thousand and four when Dominic Williams was carrying the ball
(19:27):
three hundred times, Like, if you don't have one of
those guys, then I doubt a team is going to
devote significant resources to that style of play because like why,
like your skills are probably aligned elsewhere, and so I
don't know like this, like Jordan said, the cycle is
going to come back, but I think it's more related
to the personnel, like Ashton Genty may see the Raiders
(19:48):
carries go up, but I don't know how much it
changes league wide.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Shout out to Dominic Davis and originally changing his name
to Dominic Williams. If you're like a fantasy head back
in the odds, I was like, didn't you mean Dominic
Davis Son's Oh yeah, that was pre name change.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I think this is the year after the trend really
got super charged in terms of run heavy offenses. So no,
it's the copycat league where actually the earliest that it
could start, you know, backsliding would be next year, because
I think we're going to overdose on it now. But
I think it's I think in terms of the overall league,
the trend is going to continue.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
And that's the question for fantasy heads, Like who's that
running back is getting carries that he shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Be the outliers, Yeah, you have to look at the outliers.
And then also, like, the thing about sustaining this is
that you have to be able to move people to
holistically shift the league, like physically move them off the
line of scrimmage, to shift the league fully into sustaining
this for not just a couple of years of a cycle,
(20:53):
but multiple generations of players. And whereas on the converse,
what you can always regardless of a wide range of
skill set at one position. And also, of course keeping
the quarterback. I always say this around continuous continuit to
continue keeping the quarterback the same, the position relatively the same,
(21:14):
Like you can space and scheme up the passing game
in ways that yes, you can sort of do that
with the run game, but it doesn't work if you
can't consistently move people over years and years and years
and years.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I like the question. I like that it's getting deep.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I know we can do a whole episode on that,
good question.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Maybe we will.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Speaking of episodes, our next question is from a guy
on Blue Sky dirist bear who asks will QB Island
return and will have more formal rules or.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Be more lord of the flies?
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Sneak some questions, not even a sneak this, I take
that personally.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
It did have rules.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
And Greg just shirked them.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Like all rules, there's some wiggle room and in terms
of legality, QB Island will definitely be back. I love
this next question. It's from Socks and Boots, and yes,
we'll do a QB Island episode, certainly before the season
during training camp.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I would say it will be the next time.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I planning Greg, I've been sowing the seeds of ally
ship with certain individuals.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
Wow, I've already got machinations.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Maybe we'll have to do an episode while Jordan's on vacation.
I love this question. It was pretty deep. It basically said,
is there any opponent with enough juice to get the
Texans out of the traditional West of His spot? Assuming
that the Texans win the AFC South this year and
(22:41):
get the four seed.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
This is my kind of question. Now.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
The West of His Spot is the early Saturday afternoon
first playoff game, generally given to the teams that they
think will have the lowest television ratings. For whatever reason,
was usually the Andy Dalton ben go for many years.
But the Texans have taken over and they own that
spot now it's always the Texans spot. And so the
(23:06):
question is is there anyone that they could even play
in that game that would have enough juice to get
to wrench the Texans out? And it's funny that you're
just assuming that the Texans are a four seed too.
That kind of cracks me up.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
What do you think, Well, clearly right the dudes, if
it's Josh or Yes or Patrick or Lamar right or Joe.
But then Bengals Texans takes us right back to the
og west of US, right, So like does that count?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
But does Burro they are a national team now in
a way that they weren't, then does Burrow's heat get
them out of that spot?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
It should? To me, that's more of a Saturday night game.
I agree.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I think any of those quarterbacks, if they were stuck
as a wild card, would wrench the Texans out of
it and wrench any AFC South.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Team out of it.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
The Texans, you know, Houston's a big spot. That's a footballwn.
We got stars there, Nico and CJ.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Beyonce was there. Hey, they performed there.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
They were trying to kind of make the Texans were
in that that Christmas and Saturday game window with all
the big wigs. So yes, I don't think the Texans
are stuck there forever.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
C J.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Stroud's big time player.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
All Right, our last question will our second to last question,
will Trevor Lawrence or Baker Mayfield have a better season?
I figured you guys would be the ones to ask this.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I'm gonna go Baker. I can't not, you know, like
team Baker. I mean, this thing is I love the
Trevor Lawrence is going to have Liam Cohen. I love
the pairing of Liam Cohen and Grant Jinski, who was
in Minnesota most recently under Kevin O'Connell. I love val
Travis Hunter being there. I love Brian Thomas. I think
(24:52):
that this has all the makings of an offense on
the rise. But the Bucks are already here. They're already here,
and they have to come out of the gate their
foot on the gas, and I think they will. And
I think Baker is going to do that thing where
he just takes on this like demon Baker. You know,
He's like he just becomes this like other version of
himself on the field, that's like getting in people's face
(25:14):
masks and bringing everybody up with him. And then Mike
Evans and Chris Godwin are so chill and get along
with everybody, and then Baker's like screaming, and I just
I love the dynamics of that team.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Yeah, there's there's a little Tyrese Haliburton in Baker's game.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
When it looks good, it's like, wow, this guy is untouchable.
And when it looks weird, it's like, what's what's going on?
What's what's the ultimate player here? Like why are you
doing this? And for for Trevor, like we've seen when
he when they're able to execute at a very high level,
it's like, wow, okay, yeah number one overall big, Like
I see, I see why all this happened. And there's
for me like better season dictates like division success mm M.
(25:51):
And I feel like considering all the injury issues that
the Colts are dealing with, like I think if if
Dimes does have to play five games, that's one thing.
The Texans, of course are their own problem, but I
think in the South with the Titans trying to figure
things out, like maybe, oh, the season long propositions are
better in Douval.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
So I'll say.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I do worry the off season's been so long that
I don't want to circle back on my how good
the Bucks are going to be because I do think
the expectations are going to be higher and can Baker
be as consistent?
Speaker 5 (26:26):
You know?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
And this is now going to be year three there
with another coordinator, but ultimately, yeah, I'm going Baker. I
am going to I'm not going to do the thing
where I just start countering my own arguments because the
off season has been too long, I believe.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I have to say. I have to say, like, what
one part of believing in the in the Bucks, And
you're going to have to I'll send over the welcome
basket for this as well. Like you have to make
sure you go into the Baker Mayfield experience not really
expecting total consistency everywhere. You expect it to be like
an MDMA laced roller coaster ride throughout the entire season,
(26:59):
and ultimately you buy in because this guy wills his
team to win, and he's got the like all heart
and the personality and like the thing that brings people
with him that I still have. I have always spoken
up for Trevor Lawrence. Remember last season, I was the
one who's like, get that coaching staff out of here,
get him a better coaching staff, get this guy on track.
He could be great. I believe in Trevor Lawrence. I
(27:22):
just believe in that like that little extra, like intangible
thing that Baker Mayfield clearly has.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
With this Bucks team, A little some something, you guys, Well, season,
we've got it. As a show. The end of the
off season is here, at least what the NFL calls
an off season, the minne Camsta. So the real NFL
off season is actually just starting right now. And so
our last question is actually from Tequila Guy seventy seven
(27:51):
on Blue Sky.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
He asks, is football back?
Speaker 5 (27:56):
He answers no,
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