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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Twelve of the NFL's finest quarterbacks have left the comfort
of their stadiums and luxury suites for the adventure of
a lifetime. These brit iron heroes are used to leading
their teams on the field, but can they outplay, outlast,
and outthrow each other in the ultimate survival challenge?

Speaker 2 (00:20):
You ain't everything you have with the Gobaine tied you.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
We find a way to win, they.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
No matter what.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
The stakes are high and the competition is fierce. Only
one can claim the title of the ultimate survivor. Who
will rise to the top and who will be sacked?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
They wrote me off.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
I ain't right back, though, that's the problem. I'm right back.
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
This is Quarterback Island.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
This is Quarterback Island. Here on NFL Daily.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Usually we're in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio, but today,
of course, we are on Quarterback Island. I'm Greg Rosenthal
here with three time Quarterback Island resident Steve Weiss, a
man of the Islands.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
We're all in the same beige pellette right now.

Speaker 5 (01:03):
We didn't dress for the island.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
No, it's a breezy. It's a breeze, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
It observes the sun and yes, Jordan Rodrigue of the Athletic,
who has been there from the very beginning. You're you're
stressed this morning because you left your notes that you
had made at four in the morning at home. It
is contagious and now I'm I'm a little stressed out.
I don't know what's going to happen on this QB Island.
I gotta say, I'm coming into it with a very
open mind, not sure what's going to happen.

Speaker 5 (01:31):
Why, oh no, because I know what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
I don't know what I'm doing.

Speaker 6 (01:35):
Yeah, it's on the island. You know, we're a watch here.
You just kind of go when the sun's up and
the sun's down.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
So QB Island, what is it?

Speaker 4 (01:42):
It's a place where the best quarterbacks in the NFL reside.
Only twelve can stay on the island. Before the season
even started, You two and Colleen Wolf and I we've
all contributed to putting twelve quarterbacks on Quarterback Island and
they've stayed there throughout the course of the season. What
it means to be on quarterback on You had some

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questions before the show, Steve, But to me, it means
who is defining the position right now in twenty twenty four,
who is playing the best and is the most important
at the position.

Speaker 6 (02:14):
And I like how you said right now because we've
seen and with this being the third iteration, I think
we've just seen certain growth, certain shortcomings as to where
this is why we got to put guys on and
cold guys off.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, and we will be the.

Speaker 6 (02:29):
Twelve right now. Man, it is going to be hard
to pull people off. We've done a good job.

Speaker 7 (02:33):
It's been cool because we've seen as certain teams have
ascended and become the defining teams of their respective divisions,
even their respective conferences. We have seen quarterbacks leading those
teams in certain ways. We've also seen some of the
conference and division defining teams their quarterback maybe takes a

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step back from the superstars on the roster. It's been
very interesting. I think all of these things factor in
and weigh in Quarterback Island.

Speaker 5 (03:02):
We're back.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
Okay, Let's look at the current members of the Island.
Good voted by the panel back in week eight or so.
Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, this is an alphabetic border, Jaden Daniels,
Jared Goff, Justin, Herbert Lamar Jackson, very strong six pack
right there, Patrick Mahomes, Kyler Murray who was an addition
last time around. Brock Purty, Gino Smith also got onto

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the island for the first time. Matthew Stafford, he's out
there at the old Folks Home.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
At the Island and CJ.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
Ramp leading up to his villa.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
And this time around, we're going to start the discussion
with what quarterbacks aren't safe, and there's going to be
a few that aren't safe because we are making a
little bit of a change here on quarterback. There we go,
we're reducing the numbers. We're getting to December less teams

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in the playoff mix, less quarterbacks, really defining the position.
We are taking this number from twelve down to ten quarterbacks.
So right off the bat, we got to get at
least two quarterbacks off the island. And you meant you
also came up. You know, Jordan, you're an executive producer.
You weren't in the meetings that decided this number. But

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with a riptide, you can choose at one point in
the season if you want to, if you want to
just stake your claiming a guy that has to be
on the island. That's called the riptide you could use
that at any point in the season. So let's let's
get started, and let's pick someone from that list of
quarterbacks on the island who is no longer safe.

Speaker 7 (04:37):
I'm I will lead this off because, as you know,
and as our loyal and very vocal listeners know, I
have been fighting the good fight for a one John
Matthew Stafford who a long time, And I'm gonna come
out swinging with this because, yes, I still think that
he is one of the best quarterbacks in the league

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year over year.

Speaker 5 (04:58):
Yes he can make every throw.

Speaker 7 (05:00):
Yes, when he is on and healthy and has his
cast around him as planned, he can elevate that cast
into levels that we have hardly seen production wise from
not only the Rams but from any offense. But right now,
the entire operation is playing slow. They're getting off to

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slow start after slow start. Nine consecutive or nine games
of their games this season that they've been held without
a touchdown in the first quarter. That has something to
do with who is playing quarterback. It has a lot
to do with the cast and all of the issues
that they've had, but it also is a part of
being the quarterback of that football team. And as it

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stands now, he is fifteenth or lower in several major stats,
including completion percentage, yards per attempt, EPA per drop back.
He's at sixteen right now. We're defining the position right now.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Right now, right now, projecting forward, and it's about how they've.

Speaker 7 (05:59):
Played Cpoe and I've I've thought he's had some absolutely outstanding,
astounding moments this season, and he could again down the stretch.
You know how the Rams turned it on this time
last year. But if we're talking right now over the
last several games, I'm gonna have to apologies to Matthew.

Speaker 5 (06:17):
I'm gonna have to.

Speaker 7 (06:18):
See him tomorrow, but I am kicking him off of quarterback.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
You better hope Kelly's not listening.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
This is a stunner right off the bat that you
would lead with Stafford, the Rams beat writer.

Speaker 5 (06:30):
Well, I have TV Craig.

Speaker 7 (06:32):
I have to own it because I've been fighting for
him and I believed in him and I do still
believe in him. But if I'm looking at this group
and I'm looking at the cutdown, I'm gonna have to
say no to Matthew Stafford on the island for right.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Now, I'm with you. It's interesting.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
I didn't think you were gonna go there, you too,
all right, we are voting Matthew Stafford off the island.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
You're watching it on YouTube. I have it.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
I have to own it. I have to be the
one to own it.

Speaker 7 (06:53):
If I was the one fighting for him that hard,
and this is appointed comment, then I also have to
be the one to own it.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
I own by the way, that I was pushing hard
to get Kirk Cousins on the island last time.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
I glad you guys talked to me out of that.
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
I literally glad.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I never not even close.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
Now, guy, you guys are seers, and I didn't think
you would go here, especially off that because woman on
the edge.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
The only reason.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
Why is because I think he has stabilized a little
over the last three or four weeks. He's been consistent.
But is he defining? Is he excelling? Is he the
Stafford we used to know?

Speaker 7 (07:33):
Not quite no, Because what they're doing now, after these
slow starts, they have turned back to the run.

Speaker 5 (07:40):
They have turned back to moving the ball on the ground.

Speaker 7 (07:43):
And listen, you're gonna be hard pressed to hear me
like legitimately criticize one of the best quarterbacks I think
we've seen in a long time and somebody who overall
in history, in the history of the league, is one
of several quarterbacks who does define the position. But if
we're talking talking about right now this year, this is
a player who when he's on, when he's at his

(08:05):
highest level, we've all seen it. He can lift this
offense with the throws that he can make, with the movement,
the way he can navigate the pocket. It's hard to
watch him even after the latteral ankle sprain not supposed
to hinder him this week, but even before that lateral
ankle sprain against New Orleans this last week, it's hard
to watch him take these sacks. It's hard to watch
him not be able to maybe move out of the way,

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pick up the easy gimme yards on the ground the
way that some other quarterbacks, especially this late as the
weather starts to get cold, it's important that you can
be able to do that. Now, You'll never hear me
like demeaning his level of play.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
No, he could be. It wouldn't shock me.

Speaker 7 (08:43):
And I'm the one who argued so hard for him,
and I'm not seeing the same Matthew Stafford that I
expect to.

Speaker 6 (08:48):
See and that's when he gets Puoka coocker Cup back.
He's not doing that well. So that's that's why it's
a major strike against him.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Okay, so he's gone. I think there's one real obvious
name on the island right now that to go. But
I'm gonna let my friend Steve Wall.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Well, I think I've got it. It's your boy. It's
your boy, the fan club that you're the president of. Gina.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
Wait a second, No, No, that's the obvious one, Gina.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
No way, Gino, that is so far from obvious.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
I was brave, Gino.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
You weren't brave at all compared to this guy.

Speaker 6 (09:21):
I I you know, look just because we're cutting it
down to twelve, but we kept it at twelve, Gino,
I wouldn't be here.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
But I've got another guy.

Speaker 6 (09:29):
I'm gonna let you probably go with the other guy
who I think because there's another guy in the division too.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
I'm not to sound off.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
There's a few.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
There's a few out there, you know, but we I
think are much more obvious than Gina. Okay, but make
your case, make your case against Gino, and we could
have an or we could table him for lait.

Speaker 6 (09:48):
We could take him for later, because my thing is
they're not nastily winning because of him.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (09:52):
Is he making plays here and there, yes, but he's
not like what he was doing earlier in the season.
They running the ball a little bit better, their timely
stuff with Sharbonne.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
They're still not great offense though.

Speaker 6 (10:00):
That's the one thing when you think about the Seahawks
right now, still, what are they?

Speaker 3 (10:04):
What are they?

Speaker 6 (10:05):
I think if we're talking about quarterbacks who define the position,
we know what they are. We know what Joe Burrow is, right,
we know what Josh Allen.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
What is Gino? In the Seahawks offense.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
He's still up there in terms of just volume, you know,
in terms of completion's yards, that that sort of thing,
because they rely on it so much. To me, he
passes the eye test on a week to week basis.
Their offensive line's gotten a little bit better. Their running
game hasn't. The running game is a mess. So I'll
push time time, I'll push back on you there. I
just think he's one of the best, you know, ten
quarterbacks in the league. And he was on my not

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even discussing.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
Wow, of course he was.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
You are such a fan.

Speaker 7 (10:42):
I'm ready to take him off for this for this round.
I listen, if I'm if I'm going to take off
somebody who to me watching the way that he throws
the football, if I'm going to take Matthew Stafford off
because the production is not necessarily like lifting the rest
of the unit, and he's not necessarily playing at the
level that you'd expec I think what I think is good,
and you guys talked about it earlier this week on

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one of the shows, I believe the Recap show said
it very well. The rest of this team is starting
to make it so that Gino doesn't have to play
here all the time.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
That's great, that's everything else, that's great.

Speaker 7 (11:14):
But if we're talking about kind of where he's at
and we're cutting.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
This list down, I think my thing is, I don't
think his level of play has gone down, even in
the slightest in the last month.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
I think he's actually played well.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
And one thing that matters to me is how you
play when the game is on the line, even the Ram,
even the Rams game, getting them to overtime in that game,
late for forty nine Ers game, big time comeback, Late
Cardinals game was certainly up and down, but got the
drive they needed late, and then against the Jets you
have the game winning touchdown drive late, and so my

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thing is I test I think he stayed about the
same level. Let's can we just table it? Can be
your favorite. I see where this is going. It's only
three of us today, so two versus one. I could
get out voted. But let's just table.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
I think that's fair, okay.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
I mean to me, there's by far the most obvious
name is is I love C. J.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Stroud, but he's my next guy.

Speaker 7 (12:08):
He's got yeah, he plus is hard because I put
him under I have a bunch of quarterbacks under situations
that affect quarterback production with two stars next to it.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
To me, he's just not close. He's not playing good exactly.
He's not playing good football. I don't even need to
get into the numbers. You watch it on a week
week basis. Yes, the offensive line is hurting him in
the running games, certainly, but when he is protected, like
that game against Jacksonville I think was a great example.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
He was protected.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
Finding that game, he just up and down, skittish, not reliable,
not quarterback island.

Speaker 6 (12:36):
Keeping his eyes I love him, yep. Not keeping his
eyes up field. I think he's one of the lowest
quarterback passer rating. He's right, he's below nine. He's like
eighty sevens killing your fantasy team play.

Speaker 7 (12:45):
I do have him in the section, and I actually
I have Stafford in this section. I have brought Perty
in this section.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
I have Gino.

Speaker 7 (12:50):
I do have Geno in this second where the situation
around him is hindering what the true potential of the
player could be. And that's kind of what I was
saying about matth you too, It's like you're not transcending
necessarily a situation around you, and in Stafford. In the
Rams case, it's been chaos on the offensive line. It's
been you know, not turning and leaning on the run

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game until like the second half, bafflingly. And it's also like,
you know, the receivers are slow, and so it's with
with CJ.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
Stroud.

Speaker 7 (13:20):
It's been pressure, it's been missing weapons. It's been you know,
dealing with some issues with the offensive coordinator and the
way that they design their pressure and protection and not
adjusting in that regard. I think that that's what is developed.
You're seeing bad habits developed. Y. It sucks because we
know what he's capable of. And the fact that that

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discrepancy is so massive right now. It's a bummer, But
that means he's off the island.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
He is off.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
Although I appreciate you CJ for helping my boy Walker
go one and oh in the picks when and we
believe in you, we do. We didn't even discuss him
as an option last time around, despite a lot of
the issues that you said. But he's kind of caved
in under that. So we have kicked We have kicked
off Stafford, we have kicked out Stroud, We've tabled Gino

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for now out of the kind of you.

Speaker 6 (14:10):
But because I think I think it's a fair conversation
if we can go there.

Speaker 5 (14:13):
I hope that.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
We got to see if if someone else would be
a better option. You mentioned brock Purty party, Yeah, we
want to talk about I think Rock Purty.

Speaker 6 (14:22):
I think it's fair. You know you were talking about
not being able to transcend. He's got nothing, he has
got nothing, he's left tackle down, may not play. Deebo
Samuel has not played like Deebo Samuel in a long time.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
The rest of his receivers are hurt. CMC and Jordan
Mason are gone.

Speaker 6 (14:38):
That's a recent development, But over the past few weeks
he just has not been there. And again we could
sit there and say it's no fault of his own,
which it might not be. But if we're talking ten
of the best quarterbacks, guys transcending bad issues, you know,
you think Joey Burrow wishes he had some of the problems.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Rock brock Purty does still have Kyle Sanahan.

Speaker 7 (14:57):
And defined but defining the position, defining defining what it
looks like right now as we talk about it in
this moment, what top ten quarterback play and the definition
of that on their respective teams and the ethos of
those respective teams. And it's not like we're projecting the
forty nine ers to just like creak away into the distance,

(15:17):
which they seem like they're about to. But and we're
not using that to weigh the quarterback kind of well,
you know, the bones and the joints probably.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
Hurt a lot, maybe end their season that that felt
like the last moment they were relevant.

Speaker 7 (15:31):
But the thing is is, like, you know, we at
the beginning of all of this, we weren't going to
hold situations at the start of the season. We weren't
going to hold like, oh, you're going into a positive
situation or negative situation against them. If we did that,
we probably would have had like Caleb to start on
the island right, which we didn't and smartly so. But
at the same that out on this site, you love

(15:53):
changing the show out a whim at a like. So
that's why I think with with Brock Party, it's time. Okay,
Like he's been definitively on the island since we started.
It is time. It's you know, a lot of it
is not his fault. That's That's kind of where I'm
at with him.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Let's vote on it. I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
I vote on it hurts me man, because you know,
I'm like the president of the Rock Party.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
So this is fascinating because these three dudes, they got
in in August, they've been on the island throughout.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
The position is changing.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
We're saying goodbye to the oldest member of the island, Stafford.
We're saying goodbye to what had been the youngest member
at least original member in Stroud and then party. And
it is interesting about Purty, some of his numbers over
the course of the season actually still hold up pretty well. Yeah,
he's ninth and success rate. He's sixth an EPA pri
place still, but you see the trend. I don't like that,

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as Kurt Warner was pointing out on Twitter this week,
like some sometimes the lack of physical ability and timing
can't show itself in a in a snow game like that.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
But I don't like that.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
He's not one hundred percent versatile to be able to excel,
and the couple games before that he was not playing
his best. He he has started to create some of
his own problems, and so he gone.

Speaker 7 (17:08):
He went to college in what Ames, Iowa as well,
So it's like it's not like he doesn't have experience with.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Doesn't mean you have bigger hands though, No, no.

Speaker 7 (17:16):
But I'm just saying, like, you know, I would say, like, yeah,
this would be the time to continue ascension. Instead the
splits say that things have declined. Now again situations, this
was a time.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
For him to prove he was more than just Kyle's guy.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Guys, he's getting his ass kicked out. Yeah he made.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
I don't think that's.

Speaker 6 (17:37):
I mean, he's out there playing with like like not
even dudes. Okay, I mean again, like I said, Deebel,
Samuel has not been Yeah, deebo shit.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
She brought up the cold thing like, oh, I heard
that a little bit.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
I grew up in Massachusetts and people are always like, well,
you grew up in Massachusetts. Your fight it was like,
it's still it's still cold, you know, back island and
speep it.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
I mean when when we played in.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
The cold, it was cold as the great Michael Irvin.
It sucks for everyone. It doesn't matter if you grew
up there or not.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
It still sucks.

Speaker 7 (18:12):
You brought up the cold. I simply brought up another point.
Now you're all flared up. It's fine.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
People always say that, he like, oh, it's cold, though
you're used to it, you grow maas, why do you
think I left? Because it sucks for everyone there too.
Some people are get over.

Speaker 7 (18:26):
The fact I will. And to push back a little
bit on what you're saying. In terms of his full
season averages, the reason why those are still sitting where
they are part of the reason, not the entire reason,
but part of the reason is because they.

Speaker 5 (18:36):
Were so incredibly great.

Speaker 7 (18:38):
Yeah, open the year, he has been like I agree
with Steve that he has proved that he is more
than just sort of going to run the system guy However,
at a certain point, like I brought up a few
weeks ago, you're going to hit a wall. There's only
so much you can deal with and handle.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
We're seeing it with c J. Stroud too.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
We are and we have now looted three people off
the island vacancy. We have created at least one vacancy, Gino,
we've tabled. Is there anyone else out of the group
to at least discuss now before we table?

Speaker 6 (19:09):
I think so it's gonna sound like the craziest of
all discussion with Patrick Mahomes. I mean, I mean, I'm
just saying overall, I don't think we should kick him off.
There's there's no way in the world I would say
kick Patrick Mahomes off because he's probably gonna win on
the Super Bowl with the way things are going. But
if we're talking about everything that's gone, it's just been

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all over the place for their offenses here, and it
part it's because he's left tackles are just no good
and he's really having to play in a different way.
But you know, I think down to Stretch is gonna
get better. He's you got Pa Checko coming back, Maybe
Juju's coming back. Guys like that. But when you look
at some of the other people that could be coming on,
you have to ask yourself, is he playing as well

(19:51):
as We'll get to whomever.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
But I think I actually think so. I still think
so that he for instance, last week's game, how that
game ended, where he makes two like fantastic plays in
a row and one ends up a negative five to
Kareem Hunt after he makes magic, and then another like
bounces off Hopkins's hand when he makes magic. I do
think he's actually improved his play overall since the first

(20:16):
five or six weeks of the season. The numbers in
terms of EPA per dropbacks still solid, top ten, like
ninth in the league, fifth in success rate. So I
know the offense has been less efficient the last couple
of weeks, and that's the that's right in our memory.
But overall it actually has been a really efficient offense
and he's been able to show kind of his off
speed pitch.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Now, is he a top five quarterback this year?

Speaker 4 (20:38):
No, which feels crazy to think about for Patrick Mahomes,
But he's solidly on to me, I am on, Yes.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
He's solidly on.

Speaker 8 (20:46):
Yes'n Patrick Dock But yeah, I like it you brought
him up that he's the reason why they're there. I mean, look,
we could put about half these quarterbacks on there and
say with the Chiefs to be winning ball games. I mean,
would you know we win a ball games with him?

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Right now?

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Greg?

Speaker 4 (21:00):
With the Chiefs, you give Mandy Reid and they've played
some games. Yeah, I think they've been some games and
a great defense. Until the last couple of weeks, I
think they'd be winning some games.

Speaker 5 (21:09):
I want to go to Greg Island. It seems like
a nice place.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
It's it's very, very self assured, it's beautiful weather.

Speaker 5 (21:17):
Confidence like, let's talk.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Let's talk Jayden Daniels. I want to talk Jayden Daniels.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Going into last week, some of the limitations I think
on this offense started to show up that he was
inconsistently accurate pushing the ball down the field. He was
for a number of games, but it's on it's on
so few attempts that it's a small sample size. And
actually the first couple of weeks of the season he

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was struggling to throw it a little deeper. Then he
then he was hitting it, and even last week when
they got it going to me, it was more about
he's running the ball well again, and his threat and
the running game helps out his running backs, and they
cooked up some great runs games even in that game
against Tennessee, very little over ten yards from scrimmage, a
lot of short stuff which he's great at, and he
is healthy and running again. I want to table him

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for now, but I want to put him in the
geno bucket of just Okay, we'll think about these guys.
Are our options to flip out because to switch out later?
Because to me, he has defined helped define the position
this year. Such an exciting player and he gets extra
points for that to me. But is he playing better
than some of these guys we'll talk about.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
It's close.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
I set him straight, Jordan, you know the deal.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Well.

Speaker 7 (22:31):
I think he has and does define this rookie class
of quarterbacks. And yes there are quarterbacks that there's a
cluster of really exciting rookies Drake May, who I know
you would love to talk about. In fact, I am
really glad that I did not play a Greg mentioned
Strake May drinking game earlier this week because I wouldn't

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have made it into work today.

Speaker 5 (22:54):
But bo Nicks go back and count buddy what show
all of those.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
I wasn't going to bring him up today.

Speaker 5 (23:01):
I don't know, but here's the thing I do.

Speaker 7 (23:03):
I do want to bring him up because not not
for someone to be put on the island, but to say, like,
there's this really awesome cluster of ascending rookie quarterback play
right now in Drake may Bo Nix. I mean, what
like he'll still make his mistakes. That ninety three yard
seamball versus Tampa two last night, the touchdown to Marvin
Men's on Monday Night football just gorgeous.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
Shows the from the end zone from the end zone
on third eleven.

Speaker 5 (23:28):
Just gorgeous.

Speaker 7 (23:28):
And Caleb Williams is playing better than he has all seasons.
And I think all of that's great, But I want
to I want a rookie quarterback on the island because
I think that this rookie class in part does define
this season. And I think that Jaden Daniels is still
the leader in defining what this rookie class is this season.

Speaker 6 (23:44):
Yeah, we can talk about the passing numbers. I mean,
you get, you throw, you throw in the running numbers,
that's part of it. I mean, that's part of what
He's a huge part of it.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
And you know why.

Speaker 6 (23:50):
And you know this, Cliff Kingsbury, They're gonna be free
rushers coming at your quarterback in his games.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
I mean that is just part of what he does.

Speaker 6 (23:58):
Is part of the frustration of kind of watching this team,
like run the damn ball. So when you ran in
Arizona with James Connor, you were pretty good, right, you
got Brian Robinson that he was coming back from injury.
But run the ball sometimes, don't put it all on
your quarterback all the time. That doesn't work in today's NFL.
It just look at Jameis Winston, right, doesn't work.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
His efficiency numbers two are still extra rest yards per attempt, so.

Speaker 7 (24:25):
He's still top five and all of these advanced metrics,
including EPA for drop back.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Despite the slump, your argument held water for me.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
I'm gonna go ahead and call it vote early then,
because she convinced me. You know I can be convinced
by a successful argument. Was I kind of was thinking
about taking taking Jayden.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
We do all look great.

Speaker 4 (24:43):
I mean we're here in week fourteen and it doesn't
look like it. I mean, we look as fresh as
when we arrived on the island.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Number all right, Jayden is safe.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
The guys who you know we haven't mentioned, which just
seemed like home runs are gonna stay on the island.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Josh Allen, Joe Burrow.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
To me, losing games is not a disqualifying factor for
QB Island, So he is obviously on. Jared Goff, yes,
I thought has played better actually since the last time
we've talked on QB Island, So he's solidly there too.

Speaker 7 (25:16):
Is like he oftentimes we'd see especially in like maybe
November back before he was with the Lions, and then
obviously there was like a dark period with the Lions
when they were just trying to build their roster up,
but you would see slumps like in November for example.
But Jared Goff from weeks five to thirteen actually has
stayed with definition in the top five in EPA per

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drop back, like has stayed there, has not fluctuated, you know,
He's just been consistent. He's handled pressure well, he's operating
that offense. It's interesting there's still to this point there
is still whispers a lot of it's coming out of
that local market, and I don't think that necessarily it's
going to ring true when all is said and done,
but he's still I think, making himself at least in

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the like underlying conversation about this, this MVP conversation.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Well you can he's out front, he's at the front guy,
but he's.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Probably he wasn't in my five. He was not in
Shook's time. Put it in that. We'll talk a little.
Lions packers later have to say it.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
He's got a teammate that should be in there.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
He could be four or five.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
We'll talk about that because we are going to preview
that great Thursday night game with Jordan will be joining
me on the recap.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
So he's saved. Lamar is obviously save.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
Justin Herbert, I think is solidly safe, still playing really
well and the one last guy. Then I think I
said Lamar there, he's obviously safe, playing outstanding.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Kyler.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
Kyler maybe is worth putting in the table category. I
think we voted on him at a peak. It was
after that Miami game. If what Kyler's doing better than
just about anyone. I was trying to figure out why
why is he first in QBR right now? It really
surprised me. I look at a lot of different metrics

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and I use my eyes and I think PFF is
fine to look at, but epa drop back. You're a
little down on PFF right now. But I'm just looking
at everything and when one something stands out and he's
number one, it's very close. The top five are very
close him, Josh Allen, Burrow, Lamar, and Jane, and I
was trying to figure out because if you actually look
at their different metrics, which are you know, pass run, sack,

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prevention penalties, something that they call like points above average,
Like he's just fifth or sixth and everything. And I
think what he's done well, which is which is why
he deserves strong consideration to stay on the island, is
he hasn't been making any mistakes. He's really good at
avoiding sacks, avoiding dumb penalties, avoiding interceptions. The big plays

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just haven't been there as consistency as consistently the last month.
So to me, he's a table in my gut. I
feel like he is kind of part of what's defining
the position right now and he has a really good chance.
But I'm not ready to put him back on the
island quite yet. I want to see who the other
options are.

Speaker 6 (28:04):
If I like them, I think that's where we need
to go because so right now we have what one
true vacancy with two on the table.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
Yes, we've made it tougher because, like I said, we
reduced it from twelve to ten. Gino's on the table,
Kyler's on the table, and we have a lot of
guys to talk about it.

Speaker 7 (28:20):
Let me tell you what I'm having a hard time
with because I think I do think that, like I
love watching Kyler play, I think he's played some of
his best football of his career so far this year.
We did catch him at a high point and you know,
we're not projecting into the future, but we're sort of
taking with the last four weeks and four games have
been and just sort of some of the ebbs and

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the flows. It's hard for me, especially to this point
in the year, to not have Baker Mayfield on quarterback Island.
And I'm not necessarily saying he's a overall a better
quarterback than Kyler Murray. I think that they have a
lot of similarities in their game. But what I think

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defines the position that Baker Mayfield does maybe almost better
than almost anybody other than maybe like the top three
guys on our list here is his team takes on
his personality.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
Okay, hold that thought right there. We're going to take
a quick break. We'll talk a little Baker and yes,
Kyler touchdown interception ratio very overrated, but last four weeks
two touchdowns, three interceptions, haven't hasn't been running a ton.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
The Kyler Baker comparison is very interesting.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
We're going to talk about the guys not on the
island that could potentially be joining. Before we broke on
quarterback Island, got some my ties, took a little dip

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in the water.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Did you like reson screen though?

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yes, of course I burn.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
I burned what Jordan you You talked about Baker Mayfield
in your potential candidacy for him.

Speaker 7 (30:07):
Yeah, I would not feel right not having him on
the island at this point, you know, and I think
in part of me taking off, you know, a Matthew Stafford,
it is to make room for a guy like Baker Mayfield,
a guy who I think is defining the position as
we know it in the NFL right now in the
sense of not just the intangibles right which you see

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it all over his tape. This team takes on his personality,
this team. He wills this team to win. They win
in different ways. Liam Cohen can pretty much do whatever
with Baker, even with a limited cast after Chris Godwin
left right, still making it happen in clutch, crucial moments
with Mike Evans, and really the stats are still he's

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you know, they're you know, they're they're in the hunt.
They're trying to, you know, make sure that they secure
their their playoff spot in the hunt's the wrong word,
but making sure they secure that playoff spot. And he's
still number ten in EPA per drop back twenty five touchdowns,
eleven interceptions. That's not great, but I think you do
also factor in some of the limitations with the cast

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that he's had and three rushing touchdowns. He's still third
in touchdowns thrown so far this season. And you just
see him like just like like almost forcing this to
happen his team. And anytime you flip on these games,
you just see it.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
Or he's lucky, like he's stunk. On Sunday, I was
ready to put him on. I thought that was his
worst game of the year. He was the reason that
they were going to lose that game if Chuba Harvard
doesn't fumble right, and that's right at the moment where
I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
I'm with you, Jordan, and.

Speaker 7 (31:46):
You need luck sometimes though, man like this time.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
But I can't try. I can't trust I can't trust him.
I was finally like, you're ready to trust him? And
then he just starts making erratic decisions. He was spraying
the ball all over the place into bad Panthers defense too,
And it just got me back to where he's still
Baker underneath it all. And and I and I have
a hard time on a day where where we're cutting

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numbers saying that he's playing the quarterback position at a
higher level in any respect over Gino or Kyler Murray.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
I just don't.

Speaker 5 (32:20):
I literally, I said.

Speaker 7 (32:21):
Though I'm not saying he is playing the best of
it like the quarterback, like as a top ten quarterback.
I'm saying that where he's at, what the structure of
his team looks like, what they're doing, what they're pushing for,
the way that they're winning games, the ethos that they
embody as they win games.

Speaker 5 (32:40):
To me, he is defining the position right now.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
One of many What do you think, Steve, I can't
ride with Bake Bake like that.

Speaker 5 (32:46):
You have a huge Baker I know I had you
in the beginning of the year.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
There's just there's just so many other guys who I think.

Speaker 7 (32:52):
That's fair, you know, because we got to get Jordan
Love on there.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
I mean, let's vote on Baker then, Wow, you pushed hard,
you were going to get it.

Speaker 7 (33:00):
I'm voting no, yeah, just all right, I'll vote yes,
but I want to get Jordan Love on there.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
See, Okay, and that's let's listen to it. Let's listen
to Jordan.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
But like, here's here's where I'm stuck though, because now.

Speaker 6 (33:13):
Jordan love I'm like, I'm riding for Jordan, and I'm
riding for Sam Donald me too, I mean.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
And I like and then we talked.

Speaker 7 (33:20):
We talked earlier Steve about the clutch factor, that head
to head.

Speaker 5 (33:24):
Kind of thing.

Speaker 7 (33:25):
All right, Sam Donald and Kyler Murray at the end
of this game, Sam Donald, at the end of the
last two games, the clutch factor is there. And he
hasn't ebbed or yeah, that's the right word. We're talking
about waves right island. He hasn't ebbed to the levels
of low that he previously had.

Speaker 6 (33:44):
And here's here's my point, why Donald, if we're talking
about in the moment they're asking him to win ball games.
You look at the number of attempts when they're at
the five game winn streak at the beginning of the season,
he's throwing the ball about twenty five twenty six times
a game. He's throwing at thirty four to thirty five
thirty six times a game. Now, all right, they're asked
him to win ball games. Last three games, six touchdowns,
zero interceptions, right the Vikings, they got ten dubs now

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and it's but then, I like, Jordan Love is like
playing you know, the giveaways. You know that's you know,
he's had them, but he's kind of lost the last
couple of games.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
Okay, let's stay let's stay with Darnald for a second,
because that Kyler comparison is really and he's talking about Kyler. No,
but he she pointed that out and that wasn't head
We talked about head to head, all right, Okay.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Those if you look at Kyler last two weeks.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
Now, he's got to play the Seahawks this week and
very well could win that game.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
I'll probably pick them to win that game and even
it out.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
But in those two games, Seattle really ate his lunch
and Gino played better against a pretty good Cardinals team
as well. That Minnesota game, to me, was so perfect
to make the point you were making about Sam Darnald,
because if you watch the first half of that game,

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Donald's holding onto the ball a lot, a little bit skittish,
a little bit confused about maybe what's going on.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Kyler's very steady.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
They're moving the ball a ton, But I got to
give it to you when push came to shove at
the end of that game, Donald is dropping dimes with
the help of his coach figuring things out there. Great
at adjusting, but he's playing his very best at the end,
and Kyler's he's just missing just a little something. And
Donald has really played well I think the last few

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weeks after that, that little ebb that you mentioned in
the middle of the season.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Games.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
I now I'm talking myself through it. At least put
Donald over Kyler and putting Gino over Kyler as well.
So I'm ready to vote on Kyler. I'm ready to
vote Kyler off because I want to open up another
spot here.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
At least we got some good names.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
I'm now voting no on Kyler because I believe you,
and I'm and I like.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Darnald over him, but Donald mine that make the cut.
I did not expect that.

Speaker 7 (36:06):
But I do want to point out this is it's
a cool thing that Kevin O'Connell brought up last week.
You mentioned it. They're asking him to win games.

Speaker 5 (36:14):
They're not. Yes, he can set things up for the quarterback.

Speaker 7 (36:18):
You can create the layered routes, you can scheme whatever,
but you're still asking him to make super difficult throws
in crucial moments. There's a second, second and fourteen in
the fourth quarter. And like every coach from the Shanahan McVay,
even the O'Connell tree, although that's now because he has
different a different background, that's a little bit separate. But

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often they'll just try to get to a neutral down,
third down, third and manageable right. Instead, they draw up
an option for Sam Darnold to through multiple reads to
hit justin Jefferson ask the sticks on it and pure
anticipation and like balls throw and like, and he hits it.

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And it's like they that is the definition of what
you need to do to win your team games as
a quarterback who is the expectation is to make a
deep playoff runt and that's why I would like Sam
Darnold on the island, and here I.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
Think I'm thinking about him strongly now. Also the ten wins.
It does matter to me somewhat that they are a
defining team of this season.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
But here's here's here's the thing that I think we do.

Speaker 6 (37:27):
We have to eliminate from our thinking when it comes
to Donald. Yes, of all these quarterbacks on the list,
who's the most likely to step on the banana peel
if they do get into the playoffs. We cannot have
that because I think most of should probably.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
Say out of all these guys or even in the
next month, next month, that's not going to bother me
too much because we are talking about right now, and
of all.

Speaker 7 (37:45):
Of these, I would you know, the rookie hasn't been
there before.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
I mean, he's played well again, he's pressure, which is
what gets to me. The thing that you could always
say about Golf and then you could now always say
about Donald was yeah, but if you can get to him,
it's is out and and in that game. Again, another
example comparison, I can't believe we're taking Kyler off, but.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Let's review for a second.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
He could come back from.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Stafford's off Stroud is off, Kyler is off. We have
board booted.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
Four guys, Gino and Darnald right Donald right now are
on the table at least potentially take those two final spots.
We voted Baker down after an impassioned beautiful, really heart wrenching.

Speaker 5 (38:26):
I'm trying to butter me push for him. He still
got a Geno vote.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Let's talk a little suck a little Jordan Love. Let's
talk a little Jordan.

Speaker 7 (38:33):
I want Jordan Love on the island, not just because
he has an outstanding first name. I you know, spell though. Listen,
he's cleaning up. He's cleaning up the errors and you
saw him do it around this time last year as well. Yes,
and we'll talk about it when we get to the preview,
I know, but yes, he has probably one of the
most phenomenally gorgeous beautiful I don't even have adjectives for it.

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Run games and run schemes in the NFL. Right now,
you lean on and that's great. You have to know
when to lean on that as a quarterback. But what
I like about Jordan Love over the past couple of
weeks is cleaning up the erratic play that had so
often kind of shot that offense in the foot a
little bit, and in terms of his production against pressure,
still not good. But his earlier averages are going to

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sync that right now until he has more data to
help lift that a little bit more as they go
down the stretch. He is still number ten and epa
per drop back. He's got twenty touchdowns and eleven interceptions.
A lot of those interceptions have come against pressure. But
like I said, cleaning.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
That up over the path he puts up, he puts
up numbers. Considering DIY this this is a team.

Speaker 7 (39:37):
I'm not attaching this to the evaluation, but this is
a team who based off of this the last couple
of game, this last game, especially last couple of games too,
It's like, man, nobody's gonna want to play these dudes. Nope,
nobody in cana or who are more about.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
The Thursdy night game later. I'll just leave it at that.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Okay, Yeah, this Jeordia.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
The one thing with him is twenty seventhing completion percentage
over expected. The the accuracy comes and goes a little
bit watching him play. Right now, can I possibly say
that I'm taking ten quarterbacks over this freaking dude?

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Right now?

Speaker 4 (40:14):
I'm putting him on the island, and I vote yes,
I overrule you were playing.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
I'm the sametaining that's a rule.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
I'm making a yes or Jordan, Okay, you want to
talk about some more guys.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
There's two guys you got to talk about, Steve.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
I know Steve.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
There's a few more guys to talk about. Sure, but
I thought maybe he is just to me. I'm putting
my cards on the table of all the guys that
we could talk about or have talked about, I think
I'm putting love over all of them, and that there's
two spots open for me. He's pretty safe. Let's talk
about him. Who do you want to talk about?

Speaker 7 (40:52):
As an executive co producer on Quarterback Island. As the
co creator of Quarterback Island, I am creating behind the glass,
I'm creating a new card.

Speaker 5 (41:03):
It's to let Steve weish cook card.

Speaker 6 (41:05):
Okay, here's the thing. I'm not going to slow burn this.
There's three guys I'm gonna mention that you should consider.
Jalen Hurts Okay, Russell Wilson. Ok And here's my out
of nowhere guy who's playing better than just about any
quarterback in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
At the moment. That is Tua Toungue of Iloa.

Speaker 6 (41:28):
He did not have a great game against Green Bay,
but look at his numbers since he came back since
October twenty twenty five yards, fifteen toychdowns, four interceptions, one
hundred and eight passer rating. He is freaking dealing down there. Again,
he did not hit him in the cold.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
That's not good.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
That's not good for did he even play bad? I
don't think he played bad in that game at all.
He played well.

Speaker 6 (41:49):
And what I am saying, if we're talking about problem,
look we can't like I can't see putting him on
over these other guys, but I can't defining the position
and playing the position as well as or better than
ten players in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Right now, Tua Tongue of.

Speaker 6 (42:03):
Iloa is in that discussion, my friends. Now do we
put them both Jalen or Rush, both of whom are cooking,
And we could say Jalen maybe not passing because they're
not asking to throw the ball that much, but Tua
is ball laying.

Speaker 5 (42:18):
Gu would you put him over Gino Steve?

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (42:22):
But again I I just don't know if I if
I could right now put him over Russer, Jalen or
Jordan Love.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
I mean, he's playing that well.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
That's why I said.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
I could put him over just about anyone that you've mentioned.
Maybe not Love, I don't know. I just think he's
playing in the position he's like, he can't ask so well,
you can't ask him to play better. And even that game,
like we're saying, was a bad game for him, they
were down fourteen to nothing before they had any plays.

Speaker 7 (42:51):
Hard to come back from an early turnover like that
on specialty.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
Right in the end, he threw for three hundred and
fifty five yards and a couple of touchdowns, and some
of them was late, but most of it was in
the flow of the game when they still had a chance.
And when I was watching him the three previous weeks
to that, I just thought, playing great. This guy is
playing football, is playing quarterback at a level that is

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QB island worthy.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
It's tough. It's tough.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
People tough because I mean, right now they're cut.

Speaker 4 (43:20):
The number down from twelve to ten or else there
would be more. But no, we all did the committee.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
But since there's no slow burn, I mean, let's have
the Jalen, let's.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
Okay, rest to me, is not close. He hasn't been
consistent enough. He hasn't put enough of a resume when
you're getting pulled in the middle of a fiasco of
a performance against Cleveland, he was.

Speaker 6 (43:45):
Ten for ten on third down. They decided to put
in justin fields. Okay, Russ was playing man. They were
in a rhythm.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
He's played well this season. I need a little more.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
I don't think he's been as consistent as as you're
saying as too.

Speaker 5 (43:59):
Or okay I and I would say too.

Speaker 7 (44:03):
With the with the Jalen argument, we talk about defining
the position, and he is. He is the person I mean, Greg,
it is in your description of quarterback Island, and he
is on a defining team in the NFL in twenty
twenty four, one of probably four defining teams in the
NFL in twenty twenty four. He is the quarterback. And no,

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he's not the superstar of this team right now, like
it's Saquon Barkley. And that's great, but I think you
at least have to talk about him and pay him
his respects as one of the better quarterbacks in this
He was the.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
Last guy on my list of guys. We absolutely have
to talk about you know what was Russell Wilson. Now,
there were there were some fun just quarterback conversations. If
we had all day to talk about quarterbacks, I would
you know, you mentioned Drake May before, but I would
mention how well Bryce Young is playing.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
He's playing better than those rookies.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
Great, if he plays as well as he played over
the last five weeks for another four weeks, we might
have to talk about Bryce Young at the end of
the season. But you know, Jameis Winston is helping to
define the season. He's not on quarterback island, but he'd
be a great vibe to add to it. You mentioned
Bo Nicks before, but yes, Russ was the last guy
that I think needed serious consideration. So if we're breaking

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it down at this point, and again, Jane Daniels is
on the island, this is where I kind of thought
about Jade Daniels is all right, Jade Daniels versus Love
or Donald or whoever. But right now we have two
spots available. Right now, Herbert's on there as well, on
the island. Absolutely two spots available, Gino, Donald, Love, Russ

(45:42):
if you want to throw him in there, and Tua,
I'm gonna call a vote. Now that we've talked about everything,
there's five guys, Gino, Donald Love, Russell Wilson, and Tua
and at this point, unless something changes, we need to
find two spots for those five guys.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
We already voted Baker.

Speaker 5 (46:03):
Off and lets you vote Gino off.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
Right, No, I'm saying, but either way, Yeah, it's two spots, right, Yeah,
it's two spots off. At this point, I'm like, assuming
he's off. So it's two spots for those five guys.
Whether you vote Gino off or not. Oh my gosh,
I am gonna at least call because I think it's
the easiest thing left to do. A vote on Russell Wilson,
great story, great season, not quite there yet.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
I vote no.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
I vote no.

Speaker 6 (46:30):
I saw him throw for four fourteen against CINCINNTI Bengals
didn't want to tackle anybody.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
Yeah, about half of those were like little dump offs
over the middle of the field. That Naji Aera is
not Russell Wilson's fault. But my god, I can't I've
never seen a simple play. We're crazy.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
What is your vote, Jordan?

Speaker 4 (46:44):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (46:44):
I voted no.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
Okay, so we have four four guys for two spots.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Okay, Gino, Donald Love and Tua. This is too much.
I know.

Speaker 5 (47:00):
I hope the listeners can hear that. That's that side
that Greg just let out.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
Are you calling a vote on Chief?

Speaker 5 (47:06):
I need to take a picture of Greg's stressed as
we I.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
I am going to take a vote. I'm going to
call a vote on the guy I believe deserves to
be here more than anyone. That's Jordan Love as we
head to these winter months. I want a big guy
with a big arm who's playing football at a very

(47:31):
high level. I am voting yes on Jordan Love. Jordan's yes,
no enthusiastically.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
You wies know I love him. This is not tough
for this right now. But I'm saying no.

Speaker 7 (47:40):
I know because I know you got we gotta I
know I know why you're doing.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
You just got voted out, voted. Jordan Love is on the.

Speaker 7 (47:47):
Jordan is on the island. Jordan Jordan Is.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
You have the English spelling?

Speaker 2 (47:54):
All right, let's vote.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
All right, let's just let's just rip the band aid
off here, let's do let's do the thing. It is
very difficult here at the table to do this, but
let's call a vote on Eugene Cyril Smith, I vote
yes on Gino for.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
The listeners, I'm voting no.

Speaker 7 (48:16):
I'm voting no because I think Tua should be on
the islands.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Tua plane at a higher level. Gino is off.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Gino's off. He can he can earn it back on.
I mean they're in a play point.

Speaker 7 (48:29):
We'll release the the deep cut, the full cut of
all the.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Discussions and all the confusion.

Speaker 9 (48:35):
Where we of all the confusion, where Greg let out
the deepest sigh I've ever heard, realizing that we still
had to vote on ginas the reason.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Why we're not doing math type occupation.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
Jordan Rodrigue, the co executive producer, introduced the element to
the show that they could use at any point of
the season. Someone can pull a riptide and keep someone
on the island.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
And I am doing that right now.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
Is it atrocity that you turn Coats tried to take
him off the island?

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Do you not know ball? Do you not see ball?
Do you not watch the ball?

Speaker 6 (49:12):
So that's a Simon Cowell, Blake Shelton, you know, you
know what she came up with, this whole idea.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
You're valid your valid use I'm using it once.

Speaker 7 (49:23):
This is the one you get all year and you
you have used it, and you are valid in using
it now, in using it.

Speaker 5 (49:31):
Let the audience know.

Speaker 7 (49:32):
That also means that either Sam Darnold or to a
tongue of Iloa will not be making it on the island,
because that's what it's coming down to right now. So
just to I thought about it and clean everything up
for the listeners so that we're all organized. Right as
my hair keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger, we're
all organized, and you have riptide ripcorded Gino onto the island.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
He's staying on controversial like that a controversial?

Speaker 3 (49:58):
No, it's it's not it's not that.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
Here's here's why it's great in part. These guys are
all so close, right, and.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Andy reduced it from twelve to ten.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
Greg, that's true. We could put them all on it.
It could be a participation trophy. Everyone gets to stay
on the island. Poor Jalen Hurts didn't even really get
a discussion.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
We'll save it for Connie when she's here.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good would totally. It is Donald
playing the position better than Gino right now is.

Speaker 7 (50:31):
To as a close can't take it back.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
So let's talk Donald.

Speaker 5 (50:36):
We're talking to Donald versus Tua. Is the argument for.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
See.

Speaker 6 (50:43):
I mean, this is tough because Tua is playing so
well right now, but Donald's got I mean, it's hard
to overlook the ten wins. It's hard to overlook the
fact that they are asking him to win ball games
and he's doing it.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (50:59):
Just look at the attempt the passing attempt numbers for
Sam Donald over the past month. They have gone up
again about seven or eight pass attempts per game with Tua.
That's what the Dolphins offense is right him throwing the
ball get into the playmakers again. He's playing great football.
This hurts my heart. But I gotta say, Sam Donald,
I would have to probably.

Speaker 7 (51:18):
Take Darnald And you know what, Steve, I wanted to
defer to you on that because I know how much
you support like and I do too, and you know,
we share a lot of the same sentiment about how
just like exquisitely he does run that offense to such precision,
and the way that he can hand the ball off
and just some of the just the pre snap cadences
and the timing tour does to It's beautiful. But we're

(51:42):
talking about now this quarterback and Sam Donald, who is
being asked to step up and make these clutch, difficult
plays on long downs and distances late in games to
win those games, to keep this Viking streak alive. So
I'm going to go, especially knowing your vote, now, gonna.

Speaker 5 (52:00):
Go with Steve.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
It's just too hard the way I came into today
thinking I'm gonna push for Tua and that two is
gonna make it, and it it became a numbers game here.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
No, it became a riptide game, grit.

Speaker 7 (52:09):
It certainly did not become a numbers game. First of all,
you decided we're going to ten, and also you pulled
your riptide.

Speaker 5 (52:15):
So what's the argument.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
I just assumed Gino was gonna be safe. I didn't
even know that that was going to be a discussion.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
I thought I could maybe get I would I would
probably take Donald over Jane Daniels. But that's not It's
not a conversation that we're gonna have today. Let's let's
vote on Sam Darnold making it back. This man has
been through so much and responded and he has just
made history.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
On Quarterback Island.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
We are all holding up our yes placards. He is
the first man to ever get booted off Quarterback Island
to get back on and that that's typical of a
guy who has fought back throughout it.

Speaker 6 (52:50):
And let's put a chef's kiss on the Jets as
two former Jets starting.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
Quarterback are on the island and Gino Arnold.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
I apologize. I apologize to uh Jalen Hurds. Yeah, Jalen,
you're you're really playing like excellent football, but when you're
the kind of secondary piece of your offense, it's tough.

Speaker 7 (53:13):
And I want to personally apologize to Matthew.

Speaker 9 (53:16):
Stafford before his availability tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
What a session of Quarterback Island. Uh, you were right
to be stressed out before him. I am, I am
stressed out. Now do we have do we have a
full screen of the new members of the graphic?

Speaker 3 (53:34):
I will?

Speaker 4 (53:35):
I freed them aloud for the audio listeners. Josh Allen
shout out to him. Yes, might be the m v P.
Joe Burrow. We never doubt you. Jadeen Daniels wasn't sure,
but this side of the table convinced me. Jared Goff,
Justin Herbert, surprisingly little discussion, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes and yes,
Gino Smith, I used my ripcord here and for the

(53:59):
first time all year, and I won't be able to
do it ever again. He is on the island. We
have added Jordan Love good job. Sam Darnold is absolutely
back on the island. And who am I forgetting?

Speaker 3 (54:16):
Is that? It's it three NFC North QBS.

Speaker 5 (54:19):
You did say Pat Mahomes, Right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
I did say, Pet. We will take a quick break.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
Well, you will talk a little Thursday Night football after this.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
The island is hot.

Speaker 4 (54:42):
If any of us smoked cigarettes, that's what what I
what I would have.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
It's just done.

Speaker 5 (54:47):
But screw a cigarette. I need a gummy.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
Yeah man. Sorry, by the way, to the guys put
it off. So you're CJ and Kyler and Jalen Hurst.
But we found our twelve and I'm excited about it.
You gotta have a code. You got to stand up
for stuff you believe in.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Kids.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
If you're out there, and I believe in Gino Smith,
he's gonna prove this choice.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Correct. I got a great, great opportunity.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
Okay, it is time for our TNF preview presented by
Amazon Prime Video. Let's talk about two of the quarterbacks
on quarterback Island who are playing on Thursday Night football.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
I love it that Jordan Love got on. For some reason.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
I came into today thinking that was gonna be my
most difficult challenge would be get him on.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
But you guys were.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
With me, and here he is on Thursday night.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
He goes to Detroit.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
This was a rematch of a somewhat underwhelming game that.

Speaker 6 (55:44):
It's a weird game because green Bay totally controlled the game.
Remember Detroit only had like two hundred toty yards of offense,
but they won twenty four to fourteen.

Speaker 4 (55:51):
Yeah, they got out too quickly the tough weather game.
I think Jordan Love's playing better now. They go to
a Lions team that is banged up. Just before we
even talk, I'm just gonna give it a little bit
of an injury update for both of these teams. DJ
Reader uncertain whether he plays in this game. Taylor Decker,

(56:11):
they're left tackle the Lions, not looking like he's going
to play. According to Dan Campbell, Carlton Davis, their cornerback
is looking like he is going to play in this game.
So that's good news at least on that front. Josh
Pascal Levi on Wrique Malcolm Rodrigez.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
I mean that's tough up the spine of that defense.
They are thin man.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
Yeah, Pascal and Onrike isn't announced yet about their status,
but it doesn't it doesn't sound great.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
And yeah you mentioned Rodriguez.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
They're now missing three of their top four linebackers. Derek Barnes.
They could get back at some point, but not for
this game. So there's some players that you probably have
never heard of that are playing at line backer for
the Lions. I did want to mention Jayra Alexander was
back at practice and they're gonna you know that seems
like it's going to be something of a game time decision.
Elkton a good offensive lineman for the Packers, and Drin

(57:03):
Cooper their linebacker might be out for this game. So
a lot of injuries, but especially on the Lion's side,
really affecting them. We'll start with you, Steve. Let's start
with loving the Packers' offense. Do you think they can
take advantage of all these injuries in a nice climate.
I know they're from Green Bay and all, but a
nice climate control like how we like it?

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Right? Yes, forget all the snow and the cold.

Speaker 6 (57:25):
Yes, of course, I mean, who is when you think
of besides Jordan Love, who's the offensive piece for the Packers,
Josh Jacobs. I mean, he's a physical force. His run
balance is like Marshaun Lynch's. I mean it's incredible. So
I think you go up the middle of the defense.
I mean, you know, Alee McNeil is a beast, but
if Reader's not in there, man, that dude occupies bodies.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
He keeps linebackers clean.

Speaker 6 (57:45):
And if he doesn't play, you are going to see
Matt Lafleur use number eight right there and get that
push and clean some people up in the middle. Look
at that run balance right during that vide we're watching.
It's just absolutely insane. Plus Matt Lafleur is also going
to scheme some things drag routest hook routes just to
take advantage of some of that underneath middle zone that
the Lions are gonna have to play. They can allow

(58:05):
anything explosive down the field. So I think that center
of the field for the Detroit Lions is going to
be vulnerable.

Speaker 7 (58:11):
Yeah, you mentioned you know, very very new, brand new
faces in some points, not only on the interior but
at linebacker. So I could really see Matt Lafleur doing
that dastardly thing that we know he can do with
this run game, but also with their screen game, with
some of the ways that they manipulate their tight ends
in space, not only as blockers, but disguising different gaps,
making outside wider edges than you would normally think for

(58:33):
the run game, and then pulling it back inside all
of a sudden, giving them a lot to think about.
And it will be you know, Jordan Love distributing the
ball and all of those things. I expect him to
take a few shots downfield as well, but a lot
of this is going to start up front because that
is where the injuries have compounded in those first and
second levels for the Lions defense.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
Yeah, I think it's such a mismatch for both offenses.
I think both offenses should look at this and think
like we are offensive football teams, especially the Packers. The
Lions defense has stood so tall, all sis safety are
so good, and they've been such a good defensive team,
and they are relatively healthy in the secondary still, and

(59:13):
that's the strength there. Romeo Dobbs also in the concussion
protocol not expected to play in this game, which is
a big loss for Green Bay as well. Whenever there's
two teams that are reasonably close, and the Packers here
are nine to three. This is a division matchup. When
they played twice in a short amount of tempt, I
tend to favor the team that lost the first time around. Now,

(59:36):
this is the best division potentially ever that we that
we've seen. They are the first, the first division in
football history to have three teams this late in the
season at a seven to fifty win percentage or better.
Like It's never happened, not since the merger when there
were really divisions in everything like that. So there's never
been three teams with this good of a record this
late in the season as Packers, Lions and the Packers

(59:59):
and the of course, well, the Packers are starting to
peak defensively, I worry a little bit more about them.
But Kenny Clark started to make some noise, van Ness
started to make some noise, or Shaun Gary started to
make They have to get some sort of pressure on
Detroit because the pass rush for Green Bay has been

(01:00:22):
a weakness for them all season long, and if they
revert back to kind of what they've been and they
get bullied up front, by this Lions offensive line like
so many teams do. Ultimately, I'm not I'm not sure
they can keep up and attract me. Maybe maybe they can,
maybe they can't. But they need their guys because they're
not banged up like these are their first round picks,

(01:00:42):
the guys who are making all the money. They Sometimes
it's just getting your guys to play better. Their best
guys haven't played their best all season. But I think
you've seen just a little bit of signs from from
those big names Kenny Clark or Shan Gary over the least.

Speaker 6 (01:00:56):
And this is huge for the Packers, right if they
knock off the Lions, Okay, then you've got a two
ways with Detroit Minnesota. But then Green Bay now is
sitting right there with the rest of the season where
they're now going to start talking about home field instead
of those two teams thinking about they're playing in seventy
six degrees.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
I saw next gen stats had only four teams with
a real chance to get home field advantage, mostly Lions.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
Then the Eagles were under fifty percent, Vikings a little smattering,
and the Packers were sitting there at two percent. But
that does go up and you know, if they win
this game, then then it's more than the two percent.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
You're right, they have a chance.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
And if if the Lions lose this then the Eagles
take over as the favorite for home field, which.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Is and nobody wants that.

Speaker 6 (01:01:35):
I mean, look, I think the Lions are built to
play outdoors in this weather, but they've only played they
will only play when the season ends in three true
outdoor stadium.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
And we know that.

Speaker 7 (01:01:44):
I mean, we saw it last week. The Packers are
indeed built to play outside. Built like I said earlier
in the show when I was gushing about the diversity
of the run game and how multiple they can be
off of everything that it builds, that is a team
that you know the Lions, I mean, and as banged
up as they are, it's the worst possible time for
the Lions defense to be facing this physical Packers' offense

(01:02:06):
at the same time. I mean, like you guys said before,
it's kind of a good foil game for either side.
And Jared Goff, even when you rush four against him,
he's not struggling like he used to, particularly inside, He's
not struggling like he used to against any kind of pressure.
He's been incredibly productive. Like we mentioned on quarterback Island,
part of the reason he's on firmly so firmly on

(01:02:28):
quarterback Island is if you just rush for like the
Packers have. You know, most of the time they blitzed
a lot more in the last matchup against the Lions.

Speaker 5 (01:02:36):
It wasn't super effective.

Speaker 7 (01:02:37):
And when they drop back and rush, when they just
sit and rush four like we've seen them also do
with some effect against other quarterbacks this season, that's those
types of things are just not working the way that
they used to against Jared Goff. So you're gonna have
to try to get your secondary activated the way they
were taking the ball away earlier this season, you're gonna
have to activate your secondary.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
If you're Jeffley, it's yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
And that's where some mismatches are happening for Detroit. I mean,
when Detroit as the ball, there's mismatches all over the place.
This could be a great game for the Pine Suwell
agenda running out.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
I am pushing that agenda hard, my man.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
Okay, yeah, I had him in my MVP ladder. I
put it fourth to be there. I think you can
do what you want with votes, and if you want
him to kind of represent this Lions offensive line, and
he obviously is the best player on it by a
good deal, and maybe the best at his position.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
You can vote that way.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
And so I think him against these three young safeties
that they're playing, so Xavier McKinney, I guess you wouldn't
call him young anymore. He's right in the middle of
his prime. But what they've done with some injuries at
their linebacker level and just in cornerbacks, is they're playing
their two rookie safeties Bullard and Evan Williams together and
Bullard's in the slot a lot. Bullard's been quiet, Javon

(01:03:49):
Bullard a second round pick, but you haven't noticed them
in a bad way. Evan Williams has made a lot
of positive plays. So these three safeties on the field
and you're running the ball against that kind of look.
Quay Walker who has made some plays over the last
few weeks, but drives Packers fans absolutely crazy. And I
think is a weakness of their defense is their linebacker position.

(01:04:09):
Maybe this is this is a Sewel and a Jamier Gibbs,
because as good as David Montgomery is, and he's awesome,
they have the almost the exact same amount of rushing
attempts and the exact same amount of catches this year,
and yet Gibbs has two hundred and fifty yards more.
He's a top five yards from scriptage guy in the
the entire league. And I do think this is a

(01:04:31):
week where you just got to win in a shootout.
You feel bad almost for the Lions that, like's so
hard to get a one seed. It's so hard to
win the super Bowl because after this, man, they come
off that Thanksgiving game, you know, all these games in
a short period of time. Then you got the Bills
next week, you got the Vikings coming up, You're at
San Francisco. We'll see what they look like. It's like, man,

(01:04:52):
it is so hard to just get a freaking one seed.
Of all the years for them to be eleven and one,
this is a tough one for it.

Speaker 7 (01:04:58):
I know someone was sort of commenting on different discussions
that we've had, whether at the athletic or you know,
on this show, and it's like, man, it's in a
historic year, right, these other teams just will not start
losing games, right, and it's driving then the rest of
the fan base's nuts, which is fair, but like, hey,
that's great for everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
But and they can all think that way, like Green
Bay could be like Man, in a normal year, we'd
be winning the division.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
We're in third.

Speaker 8 (01:05:24):
Play Vikings probably the Vikings have ten wins, right yeah,
like the Eagles of one eight in a row.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
They're like, wait, we got to wait for one of
these other teams to win. It is so competitive. It's
an awesome conference right now.

Speaker 7 (01:05:34):
Ben Johnson, there's like a subplot within a subplot. It's
not really a big deal, but it is kind of
fun in it just doesn't happen often kind of way.
And a little oopsie out of Detroit or Jamier Gibbs
accidentally shared some photos of the Lion's plays on the whiteboard.
Dan Campbell said that he wasn't concerned about it. Obviously
they change calls every week. And also if you look

(01:05:54):
close enough in certain reddit circles, you can find copies
in every playbook in existence in these.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Circles that he coaches call sheet.

Speaker 7 (01:06:01):
Yeah, and and this the close ups of the call sheet.
And they change calls every week, they change words. Every
team does this unless you are just an absolute fiasco
of a team, and some are, and but teams who
aren't know what they're doing. They change their calls every week.
So but Ben Johnson did not mean to. Sometimes he
just says things right, and he inadvertently gave the Packers
like a little bulletin board material. I think if I'm

(01:06:23):
just reading this quote flat and he said, have you
guys thought about maybe we wanted them out there so
now we know what they know? And he was joking
obviously on Monday, and he said, so he's now so
he's like, oh yeah, oh god, what a comp He.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
Said, no, if they lose this game that he's going
to sue them afterwards.

Speaker 7 (01:06:40):
Yeah, He's like, each week we try to keep guys
off balance, teams off balance. We certainly don't want them
to know what's coming. And then he said, look back
at the first time we played the Packers this year,
third and five. It was our first third down of
the game. We made a check and you can see
Packers defensive lineman Kenny Clark giving the signal for a
check right there, which is usually universal to check for
a run. Well, we ran it and we got nine yards.

(01:07:02):
So his point was, even when they know what's coming,
we still do the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
That's what pell do that's what football.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
I don't think the Eagles are confusing anyone with their
their fourth down, fourth quarter strategy.

Speaker 6 (01:07:13):
I don't think the Ravens are confusing folks and what
they're doing on third and one either.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
If the Lions can win this game and somehow get
that one seed, yeah, Campbell is my coach of the year.
Because here, I just want to real quick, I just
want to give you. I just want to give you
some guys who are playing significant snaps for the Lions
in their recent history in this game. Al Kahed Muhammad
used to be a nice player for the Colts, got
a nice second contract for the Bears. Actually didn't have

(01:07:38):
a snap in the NFL all of last year. Was
not on this roster because he was on the practice
squad until recently. Played significant snaps last week. Khalil Dorsey,
an undrafted free agent from the Ravens back in the day,
played a career high snaps last week at cornerback. Some
of the linebackers that you mentioned that could be playing,
Ezekiel Turner eighteen UDFA, who has never played this much

(01:08:03):
in his entire career, started with the Cardinals. David Long,
cut by the Dolphins, two weeks ago, and then Trevor Nuwaski,
who has been an undrafted free agent with the Lions
now in his second season. These guys are all out
there getting significant steps being trusted. We'll see if they
can make it work. Jordan love you got to make
them pay as much as we just said how much
we love you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
He's only been averaging about.

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
Twenty three twenty four attempts a game during this great stretch.
They haven't needed him to totally ball out and dominate.
They're gonna need it on Thursday Night.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
O qaick Dan Campbell over Tomlin.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
I think if they get to the end the finish line,
anyone can vote the way they want. I think it's
okay to consider the breadth of the coaching job that
you do everything that you did, and so Tomlin gets
some credit for that too, But to me, since Campbell
didn't win it last year, I think he deserves it.

Speaker 7 (01:08:49):
I my pool of people who I would if I
got a top five, I don't. If I got a
top five, and in no particular order, I would certainly
have Dan Campbell in the top there. I would also
have Matt Lafleur. Think the breadth when the breadth of
the last two years with such a young group and
how they grew up. So this is a cool matchup
between again we see it, you know, twice a year,

(01:09:09):
but again between possible Coach of the Year candidates. I
would have Kevin O'Connell in there, as you guys know.
I would have Dan quinn in there. Still, I would
have Sean McDermott in there. I would have Mike Tomlin
in there. That's six but it's fine.

Speaker 5 (01:09:20):
Math is hard. As we earlier, there.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
We go this episode bring full circle, Jordan, all Right,
that was this week's teen have preview presented by Prime Video.
Be sure to check out the Green Bay Packers when
they take on the Detroit Lions this Thursday on Prime Video.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
I'll pick the Lions in this game. I can't pick.
I can't pick.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
Against the line right now, but nothing would nothing would
surprise me in it'd get spicy if the Packers win
this one. I'm looking forward to recapping this with Jordan
on Thursday night.

Speaker 7 (01:09:45):
And I'm picking the Packers because of the way they
ran the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
I could see it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:49):
I'm a little like it just feels like Lions are
like America's team you just want.

Speaker 5 (01:09:53):
I want.

Speaker 7 (01:09:53):
I want the Lions to go all the way. But
on this game, I am picking the Packers.

Speaker 4 (01:09:57):
That is it for today's show. Let's let's play us out.
I need to get out of here.

Speaker 6 (01:10:02):
We'll be back if even plus one equals.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
When we're when we're struggling with basic bath. Oh my god,
you know football is back. Quarterback Island was back as well.
See you next time.

Speaker 5 (01:10:25):
Sorry, let me get one more sip. Sorry, so stressful
as fun.

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