December 19, 2025 • 44 mins
There might not be a more novel, improbable and impossible game than the Week 16 blockbuster between the Los Angeles Rams and Seattle Seahawks. After the Rams took a commanding lead through the first three quarters, the Seattle defense held stout just in time for Sam Darnold to exercise his demons, force overtime and defeat the top-ranked Rams — effectively moving the Seahawks into first place in the NFC. Gregg Rosenthal and Jourdan Rodrigue navigate the ups, downs and unexplainable motions of this instant classic with highlights and analysis along the way.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Back inside his Barnell Darneld pastime looks HiT's on, It's
talk cut down, make it extra boy, make a conversion.
I don't care what it is. Butt, say offs win
the game? Hook in hold the last play the game.
Let's say Off's win. Thirty eight thirty seven gits Somber
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with a two point conversion.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Catch Holy cow, perfect joyous messy call to a perfect
joyous night of football for the Seattle Seahawks. What did
we just watch? The Seahawks win thirty eight to thirty
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seven in overtime to take control of the NFC West
of the NFC Wildcard race, and Jordan Rodrigue joins me
from across Los Angeles on a night where it felt
like we had an MVP moment for Matthew Staff with
about thirteen minutes left in the fourth quarter, and then
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the game really started and the Seahawks somehow found all
their way, got all the way back, got the win,
and Sam Darnold, I don't know if it's his MVP moment, Jordan,
but he had his very best drive of the game.
I think their offensive line was great in that overtime
and they go for two to win it, and they
get the two and they vanquish the Rams, sweeping them
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on the season.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Whoa man. So much happened during this game, Greg, Oh
my lord. We were watching thinking, okay, this is definitely
the game is drunk. This is definitely gonna end it
this time. It's definitely gonna end it this time. It's
definitely gonna end it. When Matthew Stafford in overtime hits
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the vintage Matthew Stafford inbreaker to Puka Nakua for the touchdown,
that's when we thought, okay, of course, this is what's
going to ultimately and finally end this game. It was
almost too poetic. That is the quintessential Matthew Stafford throw.
He is the best on the planet at throwing that inbreaker,
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a little dig of burying lengths, and then Sam Donald
had to say, Greg, Sam Donald had to say on
the other side.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
It was an up and down game for Sam Donald,
who throws two interceptions. But in the fourth quarter, when
Rashija Head helps to turn the game around and the
Seahawks defense helps to turn the game around, it's special teams,
it's defense, and it's also a quick strike by Donald
to aj Barner to really make them go crazy, the
craziest two point conversion that you'll ever want to see.
(02:39):
But yeah, I go back to that overtime drive, really
and you think about the drive starter to Jackson Smith
and Jigba, You think about the beautiful toe tap sideline
throw to Cooper Cup. And by the end of this game,
the Rams defense, which was game for so much of it,
was gassed. And all season we've talked about like, these
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are the most two complete teams in the NFL, and
I think the Seahawks tonight kind of showed maybe they're
a little more complete because special teams counts. And even
though the defense struggled for most of the night, their
fourth quarter defense really came through and gave their special
teams and their offense a chance to make that comeback
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in regulation and then in overtime.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yeah, and how about Rashid Shaheed giving the spark when needed,
not just on the punt return for a touchdown. After
the Rams failed again to score any points another three
and out as their offense totally dried up, Seahawks increased,
the pressure increased, the different changed up, the different styles
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of pressure. It looked to me, And I don't have
the exact numbers in front of it. Looked to me
like they were blitzing a little bit less or a
little bit more selectively and trying to get pressure just
with four very successfully against Matthew Stafford. And there were
a couple of drops. Then Rashid Shaheed's steps up and says, hey,
remember me, I'm the guy who shows up in these
late games for the Seattle Seahawks a putt return for
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a touchdown and then sets them up in great with
great field position. After another failed Rams drive that started
to flip the game, and of course the Rams Special Teams.
I texted you this. I was like, we thought the
game was going to end, and I said, I never
bet against Rams Special teams parentheses negative.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
All right, let's actually listen to that Rashid ja he'd play,
so just to think about where we are in the
game at this point. Matthew Stafford throws the no look
touchdown to Puka Nakua to go up thirty to fourteen
with thirteen minutes left in the game. At that point
in the game, the Rams have, you know, over an
eighty percent chance to win according to the next Gen stats.
It gets even higher later in the game. In all
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four of their losses this season, they have had a
big time lead in over an eighty percent chance, which
probably makes a lot of the people listening and watching,
you know, thank you to everyone who's watching live on YouTube.
I think, well, that's why these percentages don't make any difference.
Maybe not when it comes to the Rams. The Seahawks
drive down the field, they get into the red zone
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and Kobe Turner has what feels like a game ceiling
interception with about eight minutes and change to go and
the Rams have the ball up sixteen. That starts a
sequence of offensive drives in the fourth quarter where the
Rams get the ball five times. They have a total
of four first downs in those five drives, includes three
straight three and outs. They take up over six and
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a half minutes of clock in five drives. They fail
to run the clock out, and the Seahawks begin their
comeback after that first three and out where they go run, run, pass,
and then punt. Let's listen to that punt.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Seahawks can jump right back into this game with a
big return here by Rashid Shahed. This is a high
wabbly kick. Shaheed has to run up makes the catch
in his own forty three starts up the middle. Now
he has a gap on the left side. Forty turns
up field. There he goes twenty two, Day ten five,
Holy cap tout un chay Hawks. I'm telling you the
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coaches next door breaking the glass and rash. He does
it again. Just when the Seahawks need a big special
teams play, they get it.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
A great chriss and he's it's a great call. And
of course he's talking about the offensive and defensive coaches
that are up in the booth slamming on the glass
sides of the booth as that play is happening, which
would be so fun, I think to call a game
right next to that. That was one of those moments, Greg,
I've seen a few of them in Ram's history, and
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especially on special teams. I'm thinking of that Ravens game,
I think it was two years ago where it almost
was like it's a very quick right hook that knocks
the wind out of you very suddenly, and you're almost
you could see it. The Rams are almost reeling like
did not expect it, totally surprised by it. But it's
something that they've struggled with all year. Greg is special
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teams unit they've changed personnel, they've churned out the bottom
of the roster with some of their coverage, and certainly
it failed them there.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, and to me, it's more about one of the
best special teams units in the NFL. Like if you
get a DVOA efficiency, the Seahawks are two, the Rams
are twenty five, and that was before they got Rashid Shahed,
who has just a preposterous history.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
That's a Harbaugh coaching down there.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Long touchdowns from scrimmage, he is top seven all time,
I think in average length of touchdowns if you count
just as scrimmage touchdowns. Of course that was on a
punt return. He has the longest average length of a
touchdown since the merger. It's just outrageous how many fifty
yard plus touchdowns he has gotten. And that's basically the
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only touchdown that he gets, and yet there's still a
lot of work to be done after that. I think
when we think back of this game, about this game,
we'll think about the ensuing two point conversion where you
think it's an incomplete pass and everyone on the field
seems to think it was an incomplete pass except who
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is the man that picked it up? There in the moment,
I'm totally blanking Cooper Cup.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
No, No, that was Sharbonay picked it up.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Sharbonay picks it up. He's on top of it. No
one else really seems to realize.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
That he does not really know what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Doesn't And it takes a review to determine that Sam
Darnold was in fact throwing the ball backwards. When Jared
Verse deflects it, he picks it up in the end zone,
and that two points really allows them to get to
overtime to get the two point conversion that they later
need later in regulation. And it's just it's just one
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of those plays. I guess we're back to that. The
Seahawks never play a normal game. Imagine being at that
game tonight, Jordan.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, I mean the crowd. You could hear the crowd
slowly start to swallows. They started to realize what was
going on as they kept playing the review of this
past and thinking, oh, yeah, that's kind of moving backwards
or at least parallel.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
The crazy thing is when they finally get that the
right angle where it's actually on the line of scrimmage.
Even then I do think it was backward, but it
is so close and that ends up making a big difference.
It's such a complicated game because you want to give credit,
you want to you know, blame things for going wrong.
I guess for the Rams. But it's a night where
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Matthew Stafford throws for four hundred and fifty seven yards
in three touchdowns. It has the great overtime touchdown, dominates
one of, if not the best defenses in the league
for three quarters, and yet when you think about the game,
you still have to think about what happened after that moment.
The Rams are in a totally commanding position when they
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get the ball back again, and as I mentioned, they
go three and out three straight times. So I don't
really blame the play calling because it starts out run
run pass that doesn't work. Then they go pass pass
pass that works, even you know worse, there's a batted
pass in there. You mentioned the pressure is getting there.
There's some pressures sometimes it's four man. Then the next
time around, after that three and out, they go run
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pass pass like they tried every single combination of how
aggressive they want to be. Ultimately they have another drive
because their defense does get some stops at they give
up one short, big time throw to Sam Darnold to
Barner which gets it back to a tie game. But
the defense does give the offense a chance to just
win the game in regulation, and they're not able to
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do that two different times. That ends one drive with
they missed Mavis kick, which is gonna keep Sean McVay
up at night, and then another drive at the end
of regulation when they had the timeouts, they had plenty
of clock and you kind of figured this is Stafford's
moment to lead them to a victory and they're not
able to get off the field there. What did you
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see from the fourth quarter when it was going wrong
for the Rams and right for the Seahawks out of
the Seahawks defense, and how do they get off the field.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Well, they First of all, the explosives did not help.
There were some coverage issues and the players that had
been the types of pressures that have been working against
Sam Donald early in the game, which we'll I'm sure
talk about later if we if we get to it.
It just wasn't as effective. There were I think some
of the issues were especially these kind of when you
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go back and you look at the dots, they look
like coverage issues right in the secondary we know that
they are missing Quentin Lake, Charles wall Josh Wallace. I
keep calling Charles Charles Wallace out of a wrinkle in time.
But Josh Wallace had a great most of this game
and was playing in that star position like he has
in relief. But you know, you saw at times the
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receivers get behind or just find their ways into space
when Kubiak was working a lot of different formation changes
as well. To me, this is when also the Seahawks
got much more aggressive in trying to push the ball
than they did than they were when they started the game.
They were almost like weirdly cautious to start the game,
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and they didn't get a lot of bites at the apple.
He only got to throw the ball six times. They
were trying to make the run happen. It just wasn't happening.
But it was sort of that Ben don't break type
of thing and breaking at the wrong times for the Rams.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah. Like, to me, it's more about the Seahawks defense
in general, because if you really think about the Seahawks offense,
they never really got into a rhythm. They hit the
big Kenneth Walker play to start the second half, fifty
five yard touchdown. Ros Hel we're here. Let's listen to
Kenneth Walker giving them an early lead in the third quarter.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Our question first and Tim, here's a hand off the Walker.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Now he starts up.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
The middle, he breaks it outside fifty pike down Ford,
He's on the round, turn it twenty five twenty. He
got ten touch down Hawks fifty five yards and m White.
Ken Walker the third started the game on the opening
drive with a screen pass for forty six. This time
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he goes fifty five on a handoff, his long for
the season, and he takes it in for six, and
the Seahawks have tied this baby up at thirteen a piece.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
And I thought that was such an important moment because
even though they ended up trailing thirty to fourteen by
the end of the fourth, the start of the fourth
quarter this game reminded me of the first game in
that like one team is dominating the game, and that
was the Rams. At that point, they're killing them in yardage.
It could have been twenty to six at halftime, it
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could have been twenty three to six. They played with
their food by struggling in the red zone, getting stopped
on fourth down in a game where they were kind
of dominating at that point. They end up trailing and
I know eventually they do build up that big lead,
but it's not like the Seahawks offense really got in rhythm,
is what I was kind of getting to because after
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that intercept, after that touchdown by Kenneth Walker, if you
think about the rest of the second half, Donald throws
an interception, they punt, after a couple first downs, Donald
throws another interception, they get the one, you know, quick turnaround,
big play touchdown to Barner, and that's the one thing
the offense does. And then they get three chances to
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possibly win the game at the end of the game,
and they go three and out for all three. So
at no point did they really get into an offensive rhythm,
but their defense kept getting the ball back for them
over and over again, and eventually Donald makes it happen
in overtime.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
By the time we were talking about that Kenneth Walker touchdown,
his two explosive plays accounted for one hundred and one
of Seattle's one hundred and eighty five net yards at
the time when the rams were up after the field
go sixteen to fourteen. So yeah, like could not figure
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out like the explosives and then nothing right like it
was so and it also felt it also felt like
they were taking a warm up walk before they started
to run, you know, like they were getting their their
legs going and they were starting because ultimately, what you
saw at the end of this game was the purest
definition of complimentary football, right, And what you saw at
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the end of this game was when Sam Darnold in
overtime needed to finally get this offense moving down the
field in a cohesive looking way in putting together big
pieces of plays, as well as the little conversions that mattered.
That was when he did it. But up until then,
you're right, it was like start stop, start stop, like
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slow in the first half, like just slowly kind of
whimbering up a little bit. And then ultimately, like you,
like you said, the defense, I mean, god, kudos to
the Seattle defense because we're you kind of saw and
I know, yes, the Rams moved the ball down the
field at the end too, but like where you saw
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some of this gas out I think happen for the
Rams Seattle even losing Nickiminwari to an injury late in
the game, like they just kept coming. They just they
are a monolithic wave that just will never stop trying
to smother you. And it is really crazy to watch.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And look, it's why I love football. It's why I
love talking about the game afterwards, Like you can look
and see that they gave up five hundred and eighty
one yards and thirty still kept.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Coming at you right and still kept coming.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
If you don't count the end of the half drive
from the Rams where they got the ball with you know,
eighty yards to go for in the first half, essentially
just you know, kneeled on the ball, didn't didn't try
to score. They gave up scores on six straight drives
before it all you know, went wrong in the fourth quarter.
But there are so many different types of ways that
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you can win a game. And I think this Seahawks
team has been really resourceful and they have big playmakers
everywhere and they end up making it when it really matters.
It's I don't think it's a it's a death blow
for the Rams by any means, but it's probably a
death blow for their number one seed. Just to talk stakes,
because we're gonna we're gonna go still to this game.
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The magic number for the Rams to get eliminated now
from the NFC West is one like the Seahawks just
have to win one more game and the Rams are
not going to do it. Because the Seahawks and the
Ram the forty nine Ers who are loving this result
like they could be playing for the NFC West title
in Week eighteen, depending on what the forty nine Ers
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do in the meantime. The forty nine Ers have a
chance at the one, the Bears have a chance at
the one seed. The Packers have a chance at the
one seed, and the Rams are going to need a
lot of help and they're put potentially, Jordan's going to
be looking back at this game and thinking like, now
we have to go play outdoors potentially for three straight
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weeks instead of having a bye in the first round,
and it just it just comes down to the details.
What do you think, like, Sean, you having covered the
team for so long, We'll be thinking about most on
the flight home.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
His kicker probably that's so unfair, though he's I know
he's going to say. He's going to say, and I
am sure like and also probably those those five drives
where they came in with no points, because I think
I think if they go back and look at the tape.
For the most part, I think they'll be fine with
the way that Chrishula called this game. On defense, I
think they'll be fine, especially a couple of like truly
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magical moments, and I think they're going to be fine
overall with how that group played. They will not be
fine with special teams losing contain on the punt return touchdown.
It's just, you know, beating your head against the wall
over and over and over again, or trying the same
thing so many times and expecting different results, right, Like,
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It's just it's been special teams so many times with
this team, whether it's losing an edge in a big
moment or in this case, impacting I know Patrick Claybn's
in my head, been impacting the momentum truly of a game.
And Sean McVay does believe in momentum, and I would
imagine that will be a huge facet But those five
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drives with no points. A couple of the drops too.
Cooby Parkinson, who's been playing great football lately and goes
back to Seattle, you know where he joined the Rams from,
and you know, a couple of drops in key moments.
That holding by Davis Allen you know, for a RAMS
team that was deploying thirteen personnel so effectively with like
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over a sixty percent success rate at one point three
tight ends, one receiver, one running back on the field
against the Seattle team that had previously been the only
one to stop them from doing that with such effectiveness,
and for these tight ends to a couple times make
great plays, but including a couple of touchdowns, but also
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a holding penalty in a crucial moment that stalled out
one of those drives where they could have potentially gone
down the field and won the game. Those are the
things I think if you're a coach that keep you
up at night.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, you lose an offensive lineman Kevin Dotson early in
this game, and they were not able to run the ball.
I think that was what stood out to me because
this has been the most successful running team in the
league by pure success rate, and in the end tonight
they either had to go away from the run or
it just wasn't very effective. The Seahawks we talk about
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the big plays, like they had a fifty percent success
rate running the ball tonight. It definitely picked up towards
the end of the game where the Rams were at
thirty seven, and that was after they started running the
ball really well. And so I think about so many
of the big Rams wins this year. It's including the
last couple of weeks, including against the Lions. They get
the ball late and they just run it out like
they're running when the other team knows that they're gonna run,
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and they run it out. And they were not able
to do that tonight, and then they were not able
to have enough faith to continue even to run it.
And I think the passing game, you know, it doesn't
have DeVante Adams. Stafford played outstanding and had a number
of great throws. There was just like a couple throws
in those last three or four drives that were off
that he'll look back on and it you know, it
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just messes with all the narratives, but I think it
just shows you a great defense, like the one Mike
McDonald runs, like they're always going to keep spinning the
wheel and try to find the right answer, and eventually
I think they found the right answers with their personnel.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Well you saw that not just half to half, but
quarter to quarter with them just the way that, like
I said, even though they gave up a ton of
yards if you look at the box score, the way
that they just kept coming at Matthew Stafford. And again,
I do think with Kevin Dotson out even tell early
in this game, Sean McVay was going for it on
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fourth downs the second Kevin Dotson left the game and
Justin Dietitch came in. Who's Who's played pretty well when
he's been in relief of either one of those two guards.
But it's not the same when you're running the ball
with a guy that's like probably about my height. You know,
obviously I would hope weighs more than me, but you know,
probably about my height, and you know, it's it's one
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of those where you could tell immediately he he sort
of turtled up from going for it. Diet Its had
a penalty obviously that called back a touchdown, and then
he and then Sean like waited for it to try
to get the Seahawks to jump off sides on a
fourth and goal or a fourth and short near the
goal line, and Matthew Stafford was livid that that was
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the play. It was a great shot of Matthew Stafford
on the broadcast, like he wanted to go for it
every time but I could tell that McVeigh was not
comfortable with their guards at that point, and I think
that showed near the end, because you it is a
formula for to move the line of scrimmage and close
these games, to go suffocation ball against an opponent, especially
with a lead like that, to not have to throw
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it so much, right, and it was something that has
bit Sean McVay before in previous years, before he had
a run game like this where it would just be throw, throw, throw,
everything's on Matthew Stafford's shoulder an arm, which when it's great,
can be great, but when you're also missing one of
the best receivers in the NFL, and DeVante Adams and
certainly their highest scoring one. You saw them missing him
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in a route that Terrence Ferguson ran that Matthew Stafford
threw the ball to the landmark and Terrence Ferguson came
out of the slot on the play. So you knew
that if DeVante Adams was in the game, that would
have been DeVante Adams's route and so and then the
it's sales and complete it could have been maybe a
walk in touchdown at that point, Just these little moments
that I think some of it being personnel driven, and
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then also Seattle having the fortitude to capitalize on all
of the little things that potentially go wrong for the
opponent in the game. Seattle has this resilience to them
where they know how to capitalize on these things.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
So there's so many little moments like look, the Rams
failed on a fourth and short on their very first
drive in Seattle territory. There's you know, a drive where
Tuka has a contested catch right along the goal line.
They end up not scoring a touchdown on that. Matthew
Stafford misses a deep shot where Pukinakua is wide open
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going down the field that you just don't normally see.
You mentioned kind of the conservative decisions to take the
three points, which I didn't have a problem with in
this game for the most part, like Sean McVay was being, but.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
It started so differently. Yeah, it's and once once they
once they missed Kevin dottson it changed.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, And that was pretty early on in the game
where they're like their first six points are on those
field goals where they're settling for it. One of them
where they tried to like draw a delay of game
penalty and it was just so much energy. I mean,
have you see I mean, I can't remember Jehan McVay
gets pumped a lot, so that's not true. I would
say Sean McVay was peak pumped when they knocked the
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ball out of Cooper Cup's hands for a forced fumble.
I believe it was Cam Curl on the play late
in the in the first half. Like, I was fearful
of anyone that was around Sean McVay because his veins
were just like coming out of his neck at this point.
And to lose this game is going to be a
big time lift down for them.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yeah, and you know, Cooper Cup just had to dagger
him right back at the very end of the game
with that vintage Cooper Cup toe tap. And he had
a couple of misplays and especially that one. You know,
obviously he was sick to his stomach losing that fumble.
And then one of the nastiest, meanest play calls I've
ever seen in my entire life courtesy of Chris Shula.
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It was Josh Wallace and basically he had the defense
lineup in man to man and Josh Wallace tracked Cooper
Cup across the stack in motion, so again a man
indicator showing that you are in man to man and
then instead of playing press man against Cooper Cup, he
basically jumped into the zone knowing that Sam Donald was
going to see a one on one on the left
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side perimeter, and so Josh Wallace jumps inside the zone
and intercepts Sam Donald. And the most dastardly thing about
it is that the Rams still was sending a linebacker
to close over the top of Cooper Cup just in
case Sam Donald was able to adjust and throw into
the scene where Cooper Cup was going. But it was
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like one of the meanest, most mean spirited complimentary play
calls I've ever seen in a game, and it was
done by like a undrafted free agent who's filling in
in Josh Wallace. And so Cooper Cup getting back in
a vintage way like that is a toe tap I've
seen a billion times right on the sideline, total situational
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awareness understands exactly where that second foot needs to land.
I've seen it a bill million times, and he does
it right at the right moment for the Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Let's listen to that interception by Wallace. It was sixteen
to thirteen This is in the third quarter. It quickly
became a two score game.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
After this Rams showing let's let's see who comes. They
only rushed for Donald UT's.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Quickly it's intercepted right side. Joss Wallace fifty forty gets
a blot from Fisk, leaves inside to the five, extends
the football. He's down inside the one. Josh Wallace with
the takeaway a fifty five yard interception returned. The Rams
are on the doorstep with a two point lead.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
It is now time for quarterback keeper presented by Snapdragon.
Let's dive into the ultimate Darnald game because he has
that interception.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Football is so context Joe. He has the interception where
Kobe Turner picks him off on the goal line in
the fourth quarter. You know, just the next drive. If
you're watching on YouTube, you can see the pressure gets
to Donald quickly. He lets go of it, his receivers
not at all where he thinks he's gonna be, or
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he just panics and throws it into coverage where they
drop the defensive lineman. And at that point in the game,
if the Rams offense takes care of business, or if
the Seahawks defense doesn't pick up their buddy Sam Donald.
We're talking for the next month about how Sam Donald
can't win a big game, that you can't trust him.
The Rams are Sam Donald killers. They have no chance
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to win three straight road games in the playoffs. Maybe
they won't even win one road game in the playoffs,
but because the Seahawks defense gives him a chance, and
they get a wide open receiver to barner later, and
they get all those stops even when Donald can't cash
it in at the end of the fourth quarter, and
he gets to overtime and has a great drive. Different
about Sam Donald, and we should maybe we shouldn't, because
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to me, this game it kind of is Sam Donald.
And it's why, like, the path is obviously narrower to
win a Super Bowl with Sam Donald as your quarterback
than it is with Matthew Stafford. But it is a
team game, and you can win games in all sorts
of ways, and it depends on which defenses you're gonna
face if they're going to be the right ones to
be able to expose Donald for who he is. The
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thing you have to love about Donald, I think, is
that he always keeps firing, and sometimes the keeps firing
does land in four interceptions, but tonight, the ability to
keep firing did help them win this game. And he
was not high on the list of reasons they won
this game, but he was part of them winning this game,
and now they have a much better chance to go
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on a Super Bowl run.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Here's why I think the Seahawks can win the Super Bowl,
right because I don't really buy the I understand what
some of the tape looks like, and the turnovers are
not good. Obviously, there are certain types of pressure, and
it's not just pressure, it's certain types of pressure. That
interception that he threw Chris Hula rushed a defensive back,
an inside linebacker and drop the flip and nose tackle
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into zone coverage to get that like I would not.
I mean, come on, like, a lot of quarterbacks are
throwing an interception against something like that, against the first
against the Josh Wallace look. A lot of quarterbacks are
throwing an interception against that type of thing as well.
So for me, it's yes, it's specific types of pressure,
not all pressure against Sam Darnold. But here's why I
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think that he can co lead the Seahawks to a
super Bowl, at least a Super Bowl appearance is because
the Seahawks play matchup football, and you saw it tonight,
especially on defense, almost better than anybody else in the
NFL right now, because they adjust so quickly, the communication
along that entire coaching staff, and the expertise and the
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knowledge and the IQ of those players, and the physical
nature of those players, and like everything they're able to do,
they adjust so quickly and combine that with pure actual resilience.
If you want to know what resilience as an intangible
trait looks like, it is what Sam Darnold did tonight,
which was fail a bunch and then keep keep swinging
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and trust that at the right time, at the exact time,
not only was his entire team gonna help set him
up to make the play, but he was then going
to reciprocate and make that play and in the playoffs
and in making a deep Super Bowl run. It does
not always matter how complete of a team you were
in the regular season, and this is a very complete team,
but how you play matchup football and how you show
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specific resilience and strategy in key moments, and that is
exactly what Seattle showed tonight.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I know when they when Puka and Akua scored that
you just figured the Rams are gonna find a way.
But it's one of the reasons you have to give
the Seahawks credit for winning the toss in overtime, not
doing what the forty nine ers did in the Super
Bowl in deciding to give the ball to the Rams first.
The Rams understandably just kicked the extra point, but the
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Seahawks knew that they could not have a tie in
this game. I most misspoke, of course, earlier, when I
said that there was a sweep. I think of that
first game and how much like the Seahawks dominated the
line of scrimmage and they outgained the Rams. But the
Rams of course won that game. So you know, a
tie was not going to help the Seahawks in this situation.
They needed to get that tie breaker back on their side,
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and so after giving up the touchdown, they knew exactly
what they had to deal with. And the forty nine
ers are watching and they're thinking, are X forty nine
ers and I'm stealing this from the comment section, maybe
are the ones who are going to come through with
the biggest two point conversion of the season. Yes, famous
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X forty nine ers. Sam Darnold to Eric Cybert, who
did not have a catch, like he's like not in
the box score. They don't put the two point conversions
in the box score. But he caught that two point conversion.
And the thing that stands out in that two point
conversion and the other you know assist I think should
go in the fourth quarter is the offensive line played
much better. Even even though I know Kobe Turner had
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a number of splash plays and was incredible in this game.
In that overtime drive, the offensive line one, and they
had moments of dominance in this game, including the opening drive.
And so like they've had their share of injuries, they
did not have their left tackle tonight. That was a
huge factor in this game. And on the biggest play
of the season, Like was that Donald's third read? I
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mean he was back there forever before he found him.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, And man, I I've sort of thought this a
couple of times tonight. I hope this incredible Kobe Turner
aka All Star Vibes team member just does not have
this game wasted. And at least it's an island game
so everybody can actually see, you know, but it's just, yeah,
it was they held up at the right time. Again,
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Sam Donald was calm at exactly the right time. I
did not realize that about the forty nine ers connection,
because you know, the forty nine ers were absolutely ecstatic
about this one, considering you know, they're still lurking around
in the NFC, and also probably ecstatic watching the Rams
miss a kick, considering now the Niners apparently have all
their kicking problems solved, and it's the other NFC West
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teams it seemed to have some issues with their kicks.
So you know, the universe is a giant arc, you know, Greg,
it works.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
In mysterious ways. And the chances of Seattle San Francisco
being the Sunday Night er in week eighteen went up
because what the forty nine ers have is the tiebreaker
over everyone. Right now, they're four and one in the division. Jones, right,
they're four and one in the division. The problem is
they're at Indianapolis this week on Monday night. We'll be
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recapping that live on YouTube afterwards, me and Nick Schook,
and then a very difficult game hosting the Bears before
playing Seattle. So they have a lot of work to
do to stay on. You know, they have to win
those two games to get to the Seattle game. But
if they went out, they're the one seed, which is
which is just a crazy situation. And like I said,
the Rams are gonna have basically an impossible time passing
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the Seahawks at this point because Seattle, you know, plays
at Carolina next week. Carolina's been the giant killer. I guess,
I guess we can't completely rule them out, but you know,
the Rams will need a lot of help. They're gonna
need a forty nine Ers loss and they're gonna need
two Seahawks losses to try to get to that one seed.
If not, we're just gonna have the NFC maybe looking
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a little more like the AFC than we expected, which
is basically everyone can win it, except maybe those that
NFC South team. I cannot wait.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Us West Coasters getting to watch NFC West football. We
just exist in an embarrassment of wealth. Frankly minus minus
the Cardinals, but they're in Mountain time.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
So I love you Flexen on the NFC West, your division.
It really is where the best of the teams are
this year. Although I guess the NFC North and what
we're going to see Saturday night will have a discussion
with that. That was Quarterback Keeper by the Way, presented
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I by the way, I know Stafford didn't get the
win tonight. He did not hurt his standing for the MVP.
You never know what's going to happen over the next
two weeks. He's got to keep playing well. They can't
stub their toe in two games. They're going to be
heavily favored in Atlanta and Arizona. But he entered tonight
as the MVP favorite. I think he left tonight as
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the MVP favorite because he had an outstanding game overall,
they just didn't get the win.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Can I tell you my favorite Stafford moment? You would
think it was the no look pass, which never gets old.
The first time I ever saw that was in training
camp where he was throwing it to Darryl Henderson and
Darryl Henderson was like in the wash up the middle
of the field in the red zone, and I yelled
three curse words, and that's those are the three curse
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words I think every single time I see that. And
you know, my favorite moment of his though, because he
is playing outside of his body really like he's kind
of in that. I call it the soul Steeler darkly
chaotic Matthew Stafford I coined the term during their Super
Bowl run. And my favorite part though, was when he
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was getting really stressed about Sean McVay giving him a
really long play call in the helmet and he started
doing this like hand gesture where you could It's what
I do when I am really stressed out by small talk.
I do it sort of close to my sides and
very subtle. When I'm really stressed out when small talk
is just continuing and continuing, continuing, and I really want
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to interrupt, but I don't want to be rude, so
I get really anxious about it and I start doing
this with my hands. I saw it, and then when
they ran the play, I was like, Oh, I get
why the play call was so long, because it was
like a tight end screen off of a flea flicker.
So I was like, yeah, that one must have been
pretty long winded because then you have to get two
play calls in, and that one's probably pretty long itself
with all the blocking.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
That was how I was feeling when this game went
to overtime and I realized I was not.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Craig started going like.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
This, gonna be able to drive my family to the
airport where they're going right now for the holidays, although
if we finish this thing soon enough, I might still
drive there and try to say goodbye. The last thing
I did want to mention is pukin Akua is weak
because we have not been able to address that. And
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first of all, pukin Akua, like had over two hundred
yards in this game. He is making a strong bid
to win Offensive Player of the Year as great as
Jackson smith in Jigba has been, and he was fantastic
in this game. After being basically shut out in the
first half, smith in Jigba finishes with eight and ninety
six in a touchdown. Pooka on a night without DeVante
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Adams was twelve for two hundred and twenty five yards
and two touchdowns, just like a ridiculous performance. One of
the best contested catch seasons of all time, one of
the best receiver seasons like that we've seen, and he's
playing out of his mind. But it was in a
week where I think he lost a lot of fans.
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I'm sure Rams fans are gonna more than stick by
him and there'll be a segment that will be cheering
him for what happened in his week. But he apologized
on Thursday, and I will quote Pukinakua for his apology
for what he did on a live stream during the week.
When I appeared the other day on a social media
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live stream, it was suggested to me to perform a
specific movement as part of my next touchdown celebration. At
the time, I had no idea this act was anti
Semitic in nature and perpetuated harmful stereotypes against Jewish people.
Nikoua said it was in an Instagram post that he
sent out, I deeply apologe to anyone who is offended
by my actions, as I do not stand for any
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form of racism, bigotry, or hate of another group of people.
The NFL also released a statement, and a lot of
people want to kind of give pokin Akua a pass
because he's young and dumb. But our friend Patrick Clayban
I think put it well like, if we're giving a
pass for people who do hateful things because they're dumb,
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that's going to take care of a lot of the
population that that's doing stuff that he doesn't need to
be doing, and that was far from the only dumb
thing that pokin Akua you know, said on on the
live stream, including that he doesn't believe concussions are real,
that it's that you can control them with your mind. So,
just a rough week for Pukinakua and h typical of him.
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He plays great on the field. But you know, we
did want to hit that because that that's been the
biggest story around the Rams all week and we thought
they'd be celebrating when instead they're going back and dealing
with all this coming off of a loss.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Yeah, and tough questions after a loss too, because they
had not addressed the media other than a statement on
a short week. Normally a Wednesday is an off day
or a rest day or at least a no media
like very light walk through day, so wasn't a chance
to and it was a lot of no comment at
that time. As they were deciding what to do, I
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would say, you know, I think with everything, actions speak
louder than words, and I think obviously that being the
most serious of what occurred, there's also the you know,
trying to sneak people into or trying to get people
into the football building. YouTuber you know of a certain
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reputation trying to get into the football building on a
short week when you're playing for the division, and some
of the comments about officiating that you know, dumb decision
or not, like you are aware you're not supposed to
do that as a player in any platform.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
He was aware that he will get fined. They talked
about it.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Yeah, any will, And so I think that that's where
the again, aside from you know, at best is a
huge learning moment. Otherwise that's also something that the situational
awareness needs to needs to improve. And you know, a
twenty four year old young man with a baby, so
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situational awareness moving around in the world as the face
of a franchise as the star, you know, I hope
for the best for all of that.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Yeah, I think it's annoying whenever fans or media try
to tie something that's serious and off the field and
completely unrelated to things that are happening on the field,
Like he is dealing with that situation now, and it
puts Pooka in a different light for this season and
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we'll see how that that all goes. And this RAM
season now is in a different space. They are very
much Super Bowl contenders. They can win the Super Bowl
as a five seed or a six seed, whatever it
ends up being. They still have a chance to be
the one or the two seed. They just are gonna
get it. Gonna need a little help. They just were
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pushed back tonight on a night where it looked like
it felt like it was going to be a big
time coronation and MVP moment for Stafford, who still might
win the award. They just got a little more adversity
and they're gonna have to try to try to go
win the Super Bowl from a lower seed like they
did back five years ago. We gotta get it.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
I can already. I can already hear the spin coming
into my text messages. This is perfect. It's just like
twenty twenty one. You know, I can already hear the copium.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
That's great for you. We just came back on you
in a game that we're down thirty to fourteen and
you had the freaking ball midway through the fourth quarter.
Let's go Seattle fans. This team has been a lot
of fun. What a surprise this Seahawks season has been.
They were expected to be a five hundred team. They
are at tolight the NFC. We will be back in
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your feed on Friday with the Weekly Pick Show. Eleven
straight weeks. I've had winning picks. This will never be
topped again, so check out with it.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
You know who else entered tonight eleven with eleven wins.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Oh that's true Seahawks, because they're big time winners. We
will see you with the Pick Show on Friday. See then,
Back inside his Barnell Darneld pastime looks HiT's on, It's
talk cut down, make it extra boy, make a conversion.
I don't care what it is. Butt, say offs win
the game? Hook in hold the last play the game.
Let's say Off's win. Thirty eight thirty seven gits Somber
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with a two point conversion.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Catch Holy cow, perfect joyous messy call to a perfect
joyous night of football for the Seattle Seahawks. What did
we just watch? The Seahawks win thirty eight to thirty
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seven in overtime to take control of the NFC West
of the NFC Wildcard race, and Jordan Rodrigue joins me
from across Los Angeles on a night where it felt
like we had an MVP moment for Matthew Staff with
about thirteen minutes left in the fourth quarter, and then
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the game really started and the Seahawks somehow found all
their way, got all the way back, got the win,
and Sam Darnold, I don't know if it's his MVP moment, Jordan,
but he had his very best drive of the game.
I think their offensive line was great in that overtime
and they go for two to win it, and they
get the two and they vanquish the Rams, sweeping them
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on the season.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Whoa man. So much happened during this game, Greg, Oh
my lord. We were watching thinking, okay, this is definitely
the game is drunk. This is definitely gonna end it
this time. It's definitely gonna end it this time. It's
definitely gonna end it. When Matthew Stafford in overtime hits
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the vintage Matthew Stafford inbreaker to Puka Nakua for the touchdown,
that's when we thought, okay, of course, this is what's
going to ultimately and finally end this game. It was
almost too poetic. That is the quintessential Matthew Stafford throw.
He is the best on the planet at throwing that inbreaker,
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a little dig of burying lengths, and then Sam Donald
had to say, Greg, Sam Donald had to say on
the other side.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
It was an up and down game for Sam Donald,
who throws two interceptions. But in the fourth quarter, when
Rashija Head helps to turn the game around and the
Seahawks defense helps to turn the game around, it's special teams,
it's defense, and it's also a quick strike by Donald
to aj Barner to really make them go crazy, the
craziest two point conversion that you'll ever want to see.
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But yeah, I go back to that overtime drive, really
and you think about the drive starter to Jackson Smith
and Jigba, You think about the beautiful toe tap sideline
throw to Cooper Cup. And by the end of this game,
the Rams defense, which was game for so much of it,
was gassed. And all season we've talked about like, these
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are the most two complete teams in the NFL, and
I think the Seahawks tonight kind of showed maybe they're
a little more complete because special teams counts. And even
though the defense struggled for most of the night, their
fourth quarter defense really came through and gave their special
teams and their offense a chance to make that comeback
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in regulation and then in overtime.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yeah, and how about Rashid Shaheed giving the spark when needed,
not just on the punt return for a touchdown. After
the Rams failed again to score any points another three
and out as their offense totally dried up, Seahawks increased,
the pressure increased, the different changed up, the different styles
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of pressure. It looked to me, And I don't have
the exact numbers in front of it. Looked to me
like they were blitzing a little bit less or a
little bit more selectively and trying to get pressure just
with four very successfully against Matthew Stafford. And there were
a couple of drops. Then Rashid Shaheed's steps up and says, hey,
remember me, I'm the guy who shows up in these
late games for the Seattle Seahawks a putt return for
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a touchdown and then sets them up in great with
great field position. After another failed Rams drive that started
to flip the game, and of course the Rams Special Teams.
I texted you this. I was like, we thought the
game was going to end, and I said, I never
bet against Rams Special teams parentheses negative.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
All right, let's actually listen to that Rashid ja he'd play,
so just to think about where we are in the
game at this point. Matthew Stafford throws the no look
touchdown to Puka Nakua to go up thirty to fourteen
with thirteen minutes left in the game. At that point
in the game, the Rams have, you know, over an
eighty percent chance to win according to the next Gen stats.
It gets even higher later in the game. In all
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four of their losses this season, they have had a
big time lead in over an eighty percent chance, which
probably makes a lot of the people listening and watching,
you know, thank you to everyone who's watching live on YouTube.
I think, well, that's why these percentages don't make any difference.
Maybe not when it comes to the Rams. The Seahawks
drive down the field, they get into the red zone
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and Kobe Turner has what feels like a game ceiling
interception with about eight minutes and change to go and
the Rams have the ball up sixteen. That starts a
sequence of offensive drives in the fourth quarter where the
Rams get the ball five times. They have a total
of four first downs in those five drives, includes three
straight three and outs. They take up over six and
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a half minutes of clock in five drives. They fail
to run the clock out, and the Seahawks begin their
comeback after that first three and out where they go run, run, pass,
and then punt. Let's listen to that punt.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Seahawks can jump right back into this game with a
big return here by Rashid Shahed. This is a high
wabbly kick. Shaheed has to run up makes the catch
in his own forty three starts up the middle. Now
he has a gap on the left side. Forty turns
up field. There he goes twenty two, Day ten five,
Holy cap tout un chay Hawks. I'm telling you the
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coaches next door breaking the glass and rash. He does
it again. Just when the Seahawks need a big special
teams play, they get it.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
A great chriss and he's it's a great call. And
of course he's talking about the offensive and defensive coaches
that are up in the booth slamming on the glass
sides of the booth as that play is happening, which
would be so fun, I think to call a game
right next to that. That was one of those moments, Greg,
I've seen a few of them in Ram's history, and
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especially on special teams. I'm thinking of that Ravens game,
I think it was two years ago where it almost
was like it's a very quick right hook that knocks
the wind out of you very suddenly, and you're almost
you could see it. The Rams are almost reeling like
did not expect it, totally surprised by it. But it's
something that they've struggled with all year. Greg is special
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teams unit they've changed personnel, they've churned out the bottom
of the roster with some of their coverage, and certainly
it failed them there.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, and to me, it's more about one of the
best special teams units in the NFL. Like if you
get a DVOA efficiency, the Seahawks are two, the Rams
are twenty five, and that was before they got Rashid Shahed,
who has just a preposterous history.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
That's a Harbaugh coaching down there.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Long touchdowns from scrimmage, he is top seven all time,
I think in average length of touchdowns if you count
just as scrimmage touchdowns. Of course that was on a
punt return. He has the longest average length of a
touchdown since the merger. It's just outrageous how many fifty
yard plus touchdowns he has gotten. And that's basically the
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only touchdown that he gets, and yet there's still a
lot of work to be done after that. I think
when we think back of this game, about this game,
we'll think about the ensuing two point conversion where you
think it's an incomplete pass and everyone on the field
seems to think it was an incomplete pass except who
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is the man that picked it up? There in the moment,
I'm totally blanking Cooper Cup.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
No, No, that was Sharbonay picked it up.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Sharbonay picks it up. He's on top of it. No
one else really seems to realize.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
That he does not really know what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Doesn't And it takes a review to determine that Sam
Darnold was in fact throwing the ball backwards. When Jared
Verse deflects it, he picks it up in the end zone,
and that two points really allows them to get to
overtime to get the two point conversion that they later
need later in regulation. And it's just it's just one
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of those plays. I guess we're back to that. The
Seahawks never play a normal game. Imagine being at that
game tonight, Jordan.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, I mean the crowd. You could hear the crowd
slowly start to swallows. They started to realize what was
going on as they kept playing the review of this
past and thinking, oh, yeah, that's kind of moving backwards
or at least parallel.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
The crazy thing is when they finally get that the
right angle where it's actually on the line of scrimmage.
Even then I do think it was backward, but it
is so close and that ends up making a big difference.
It's such a complicated game because you want to give credit,
you want to you know, blame things for going wrong.
I guess for the Rams. But it's a night where
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Matthew Stafford throws for four hundred and fifty seven yards
in three touchdowns. It has the great overtime touchdown, dominates
one of, if not the best defenses in the league
for three quarters, and yet when you think about the game,
you still have to think about what happened after that moment.
The Rams are in a totally commanding position when they
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get the ball back again, and as I mentioned, they
go three and out three straight times. So I don't
really blame the play calling because it starts out run
run pass that doesn't work. Then they go pass pass
pass that works, even you know worse, there's a batted
pass in there. You mentioned the pressure is getting there.
There's some pressures sometimes it's four man. Then the next
time around, after that three and out, they go run
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pass pass like they tried every single combination of how
aggressive they want to be. Ultimately they have another drive
because their defense does get some stops at they give
up one short, big time throw to Sam Darnold to
Barner which gets it back to a tie game. But
the defense does give the offense a chance to just
win the game in regulation, and they're not able to
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do that two different times. That ends one drive with
they missed Mavis kick, which is gonna keep Sean McVay
up at night, and then another drive at the end
of regulation when they had the timeouts, they had plenty
of clock and you kind of figured this is Stafford's
moment to lead them to a victory and they're not
able to get off the field there. What did you
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see from the fourth quarter when it was going wrong
for the Rams and right for the Seahawks out of
the Seahawks defense, and how do they get off the field.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Well, they First of all, the explosives did not help.
There were some coverage issues and the players that had
been the types of pressures that have been working against
Sam Donald early in the game, which we'll I'm sure
talk about later if we if we get to it.
It just wasn't as effective. There were I think some
of the issues were especially these kind of when you
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go back and you look at the dots, they look
like coverage issues right in the secondary we know that
they are missing Quentin Lake, Charles wall Josh Wallace. I
keep calling Charles Charles Wallace out of a wrinkle in time.
But Josh Wallace had a great most of this game
and was playing in that star position like he has
in relief. But you know, you saw at times the
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receivers get behind or just find their ways into space
when Kubiak was working a lot of different formation changes
as well. To me, this is when also the Seahawks
got much more aggressive in trying to push the ball
than they did than they were when they started the game.
They were almost like weirdly cautious to start the game,
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and they didn't get a lot of bites at the apple.
He only got to throw the ball six times. They
were trying to make the run happen. It just wasn't happening.
But it was sort of that Ben don't break type
of thing and breaking at the wrong times for the Rams.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah. Like, to me, it's more about the Seahawks defense
in general, because if you really think about the Seahawks offense,
they never really got into a rhythm. They hit the
big Kenneth Walker play to start the second half, fifty
five yard touchdown. Ros Hel we're here. Let's listen to
Kenneth Walker giving them an early lead in the third quarter.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Our question first and Tim, here's a hand off the Walker.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Now he starts up.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
The middle, he breaks it outside fifty pike down Ford,
He's on the round, turn it twenty five twenty. He
got ten touch down Hawks fifty five yards and m White.
Ken Walker the third started the game on the opening
drive with a screen pass for forty six. This time
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he goes fifty five on a handoff, his long for
the season, and he takes it in for six, and
the Seahawks have tied this baby up at thirteen a piece.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
And I thought that was such an important moment because
even though they ended up trailing thirty to fourteen by
the end of the fourth, the start of the fourth
quarter this game reminded me of the first game in
that like one team is dominating the game, and that
was the Rams. At that point, they're killing them in yardage.
It could have been twenty to six at halftime, it
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could have been twenty three to six. They played with
their food by struggling in the red zone, getting stopped
on fourth down in a game where they were kind
of dominating at that point. They end up trailing and
I know eventually they do build up that big lead,
but it's not like the Seahawks offense really got in rhythm,
is what I was kind of getting to because after
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that intercept, after that touchdown by Kenneth Walker, if you
think about the rest of the second half, Donald throws
an interception, they punt, after a couple first downs, Donald
throws another interception, they get the one, you know, quick turnaround,
big play touchdown to Barner, and that's the one thing
the offense does. And then they get three chances to
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possibly win the game at the end of the game,
and they go three and out for all three. So
at no point did they really get into an offensive rhythm,
but their defense kept getting the ball back for them
over and over again, and eventually Donald makes it happen
in overtime.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
By the time we were talking about that Kenneth Walker touchdown,
his two explosive plays accounted for one hundred and one
of Seattle's one hundred and eighty five net yards at
the time when the rams were up after the field
go sixteen to fourteen. So yeah, like could not figure
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out like the explosives and then nothing right like it
was so and it also felt it also felt like
they were taking a warm up walk before they started
to run, you know, like they were getting their their
legs going and they were starting because ultimately, what you
saw at the end of this game was the purest
definition of complimentary football, right, And what you saw at
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the end of this game was when Sam Darnold in
overtime needed to finally get this offense moving down the
field in a cohesive looking way in putting together big
pieces of plays, as well as the little conversions that mattered.
That was when he did it. But up until then,
you're right, it was like start stop, start stop, like
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slow in the first half, like just slowly kind of
whimbering up a little bit. And then ultimately, like you,
like you said, the defense, I mean, god, kudos to
the Seattle defense because we're you kind of saw and
I know, yes, the Rams moved the ball down the
field at the end too, but like where you saw
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some of this gas out I think happen for the
Rams Seattle even losing Nickiminwari to an injury late in
the game, like they just kept coming. They just they
are a monolithic wave that just will never stop trying
to smother you. And it is really crazy to watch.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And look, it's why I love football. It's why I
love talking about the game afterwards, Like you can look
and see that they gave up five hundred and eighty
one yards and thirty still kept.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Coming at you right and still kept coming.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
If you don't count the end of the half drive
from the Rams where they got the ball with you know,
eighty yards to go for in the first half, essentially
just you know, kneeled on the ball, didn't didn't try
to score. They gave up scores on six straight drives
before it all you know, went wrong in the fourth quarter.
But there are so many different types of ways that
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you can win a game. And I think this Seahawks
team has been really resourceful and they have big playmakers
everywhere and they end up making it when it really matters.
It's I don't think it's a it's a death blow
for the Rams by any means, but it's probably a
death blow for their number one seed. Just to talk stakes,
because we're gonna we're gonna go still to this game.
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The magic number for the Rams to get eliminated now
from the NFC West is one like the Seahawks just
have to win one more game and the Rams are
not going to do it. Because the Seahawks and the
Ram the forty nine Ers who are loving this result
like they could be playing for the NFC West title
in Week eighteen, depending on what the forty nine Ers
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do in the meantime. The forty nine Ers have a
chance at the one, the Bears have a chance at
the one seed. The Packers have a chance at the
one seed, and the Rams are going to need a
lot of help and they're put potentially, Jordan's going to
be looking back at this game and thinking like, now
we have to go play outdoors potentially for three straight
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weeks instead of having a bye in the first round,
and it just it just comes down to the details.
What do you think, like, Sean, you having covered the
team for so long, We'll be thinking about most on
the flight home.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
His kicker probably that's so unfair, though he's I know
he's going to say. He's going to say, and I
am sure like and also probably those those five drives
where they came in with no points, because I think
I think if they go back and look at the tape.
For the most part, I think they'll be fine with
the way that Chrishula called this game. On defense, I
think they'll be fine, especially a couple of like truly
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magical moments, and I think they're going to be fine
overall with how that group played. They will not be
fine with special teams losing contain on the punt return touchdown.
It's just, you know, beating your head against the wall
over and over and over again, or trying the same
thing so many times and expecting different results, right, Like,
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It's just it's been special teams so many times with
this team, whether it's losing an edge in a big
moment or in this case, impacting I know Patrick Claybn's
in my head, been impacting the momentum truly of a game.
And Sean McVay does believe in momentum, and I would
imagine that will be a huge facet But those five
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drives with no points. A couple of the drops too.
Cooby Parkinson, who's been playing great football lately and goes
back to Seattle, you know where he joined the Rams from,
and you know, a couple of drops in key moments.
That holding by Davis Allen you know, for a RAMS
team that was deploying thirteen personnel so effectively with like
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over a sixty percent success rate at one point three
tight ends, one receiver, one running back on the field
against the Seattle team that had previously been the only
one to stop them from doing that with such effectiveness,
and for these tight ends to a couple times make
great plays, but including a couple of touchdowns, but also
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a holding penalty in a crucial moment that stalled out
one of those drives where they could have potentially gone
down the field and won the game. Those are the
things I think if you're a coach that keep you
up at night.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, you lose an offensive lineman Kevin Dotson early in
this game, and they were not able to run the ball.
I think that was what stood out to me because
this has been the most successful running team in the
league by pure success rate, and in the end tonight
they either had to go away from the run or
it just wasn't very effective. The Seahawks we talk about
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the big plays, like they had a fifty percent success
rate running the ball tonight. It definitely picked up towards
the end of the game where the Rams were at
thirty seven, and that was after they started running the
ball really well. And so I think about so many
of the big Rams wins this year. It's including the
last couple of weeks, including against the Lions. They get
the ball late and they just run it out like
they're running when the other team knows that they're gonna run,
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and they run it out. And they were not able
to do that tonight, and then they were not able
to have enough faith to continue even to run it.
And I think the passing game, you know, it doesn't
have DeVante Adams. Stafford played outstanding and had a number
of great throws. There was just like a couple throws
in those last three or four drives that were off
that he'll look back on and it you know, it
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just messes with all the narratives, but I think it
just shows you a great defense, like the one Mike
McDonald runs, like they're always going to keep spinning the
wheel and try to find the right answer, and eventually
I think they found the right answers with their personnel.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Well you saw that not just half to half, but
quarter to quarter with them just the way that, like
I said, even though they gave up a ton of
yards if you look at the box score, the way
that they just kept coming at Matthew Stafford. And again,
I do think with Kevin Dotson out even tell early
in this game, Sean McVay was going for it on
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fourth downs the second Kevin Dotson left the game and
Justin Dietitch came in. Who's Who's played pretty well when
he's been in relief of either one of those two guards.
But it's not the same when you're running the ball
with a guy that's like probably about my height. You know,
obviously I would hope weighs more than me, but you know,
probably about my height, and you know, it's it's one
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of those where you could tell immediately he he sort
of turtled up from going for it. Diet Its had
a penalty obviously that called back a touchdown, and then
he and then Sean like waited for it to try
to get the Seahawks to jump off sides on a
fourth and goal or a fourth and short near the
goal line, and Matthew Stafford was livid that that was
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the play. It was a great shot of Matthew Stafford
on the broadcast, like he wanted to go for it
every time but I could tell that McVeigh was not
comfortable with their guards at that point, and I think
that showed near the end, because you it is a
formula for to move the line of scrimmage and close
these games, to go suffocation ball against an opponent, especially
with a lead like that, to not have to throw
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it so much, right, and it was something that has
bit Sean McVay before in previous years, before he had
a run game like this where it would just be throw, throw, throw,
everything's on Matthew Stafford's shoulder an arm, which when it's great,
can be great, but when you're also missing one of
the best receivers in the NFL, and DeVante Adams and
certainly their highest scoring one. You saw them missing him
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in a route that Terrence Ferguson ran that Matthew Stafford
threw the ball to the landmark and Terrence Ferguson came
out of the slot on the play. So you knew
that if DeVante Adams was in the game, that would
have been DeVante Adams's route and so and then the
it's sales and complete it could have been maybe a
walk in touchdown at that point, Just these little moments
that I think some of it being personnel driven, and
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then also Seattle having the fortitude to capitalize on all
of the little things that potentially go wrong for the
opponent in the game. Seattle has this resilience to them
where they know how to capitalize on these things.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
So there's so many little moments like look, the Rams
failed on a fourth and short on their very first
drive in Seattle territory. There's you know, a drive where
Tuka has a contested catch right along the goal line.
They end up not scoring a touchdown on that. Matthew
Stafford misses a deep shot where Pukinakua is wide open
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going down the field that you just don't normally see.
You mentioned kind of the conservative decisions to take the
three points, which I didn't have a problem with in
this game for the most part, like Sean McVay was being, but.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
It started so differently. Yeah, it's and once once they
once they missed Kevin dottson it changed.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, And that was pretty early on in the game
where they're like their first six points are on those
field goals where they're settling for it. One of them
where they tried to like draw a delay of game
penalty and it was just so much energy. I mean,
have you see I mean, I can't remember Jehan McVay
gets pumped a lot, so that's not true. I would
say Sean McVay was peak pumped when they knocked the
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ball out of Cooper Cup's hands for a forced fumble.
I believe it was Cam Curl on the play late
in the in the first half. Like, I was fearful
of anyone that was around Sean McVay because his veins
were just like coming out of his neck at this point.
And to lose this game is going to be a
big time lift down for them.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yeah, and you know, Cooper Cup just had to dagger
him right back at the very end of the game
with that vintage Cooper Cup toe tap. And he had
a couple of misplays and especially that one. You know,
obviously he was sick to his stomach losing that fumble.
And then one of the nastiest, meanest play calls I've
ever seen in my entire life courtesy of Chris Shula.
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It was Josh Wallace and basically he had the defense
lineup in man to man and Josh Wallace tracked Cooper
Cup across the stack in motion, so again a man
indicator showing that you are in man to man and
then instead of playing press man against Cooper Cup, he
basically jumped into the zone knowing that Sam Donald was
going to see a one on one on the left
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side perimeter, and so Josh Wallace jumps inside the zone
and intercepts Sam Donald. And the most dastardly thing about
it is that the Rams still was sending a linebacker
to close over the top of Cooper Cup just in
case Sam Donald was able to adjust and throw into
the scene where Cooper Cup was going. But it was
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like one of the meanest, most mean spirited complimentary play
calls I've ever seen in a game, and it was
done by like a undrafted free agent who's filling in
in Josh Wallace. And so Cooper Cup getting back in
a vintage way like that is a toe tap I've
seen a billion times right on the sideline, total situational
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awareness understands exactly where that second foot needs to land.
I've seen it a bill million times, and he does
it right at the right moment for the Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Let's listen to that interception by Wallace. It was sixteen
to thirteen This is in the third quarter. It quickly
became a two score game.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
After this Rams showing let's let's see who comes. They
only rushed for Donald UT's.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Quickly it's intercepted right side. Joss Wallace fifty forty gets
a blot from Fisk, leaves inside to the five, extends
the football. He's down inside the one. Josh Wallace with
the takeaway a fifty five yard interception returned. The Rams
are on the doorstep with a two point lead.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
It is now time for quarterback keeper presented by Snapdragon.
Let's dive into the ultimate Darnald game because he has
that interception.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Football is so context Joe. He has the interception where
Kobe Turner picks him off on the goal line in
the fourth quarter. You know, just the next drive. If
you're watching on YouTube, you can see the pressure gets
to Donald quickly. He lets go of it, his receivers
not at all where he thinks he's gonna be, or
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he just panics and throws it into coverage where they
drop the defensive lineman. And at that point in the game,
if the Rams offense takes care of business, or if
the Seahawks defense doesn't pick up their buddy Sam Donald.
We're talking for the next month about how Sam Donald
can't win a big game, that you can't trust him.
The Rams are Sam Donald killers. They have no chance
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to win three straight road games in the playoffs. Maybe
they won't even win one road game in the playoffs,
but because the Seahawks defense gives him a chance, and
they get a wide open receiver to barner later, and
they get all those stops even when Donald can't cash
it in at the end of the fourth quarter, and
he gets to overtime and has a great drive. Different
about Sam Donald, and we should maybe we shouldn't, because
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to me, this game it kind of is Sam Donald.
And it's why, like, the path is obviously narrower to
win a Super Bowl with Sam Donald as your quarterback
than it is with Matthew Stafford. But it is a
team game, and you can win games in all sorts
of ways, and it depends on which defenses you're gonna
face if they're going to be the right ones to
be able to expose Donald for who he is. The
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thing you have to love about Donald, I think, is
that he always keeps firing, and sometimes the keeps firing
does land in four interceptions, but tonight, the ability to
keep firing did help them win this game. And he
was not high on the list of reasons they won
this game, but he was part of them winning this game,
and now they have a much better chance to go
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on a Super Bowl run.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Here's why I think the Seahawks can win the Super Bowl,
right because I don't really buy the I understand what
some of the tape looks like, and the turnovers are
not good. Obviously, there are certain types of pressure, and
it's not just pressure, it's certain types of pressure. That
interception that he threw Chris Hula rushed a defensive back,
an inside linebacker and drop the flip and nose tackle
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into zone coverage to get that like I would not.
I mean, come on, like, a lot of quarterbacks are
throwing an interception against something like that, against the first
against the Josh Wallace look. A lot of quarterbacks are
throwing an interception against that type of thing as well.
So for me, it's yes, it's specific types of pressure,
not all pressure against Sam Darnold. But here's why I
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think that he can co lead the Seahawks to a
super Bowl, at least a Super Bowl appearance is because
the Seahawks play matchup football, and you saw it tonight,
especially on defense, almost better than anybody else in the
NFL right now, because they adjust so quickly, the communication
along that entire coaching staff, and the expertise and the
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knowledge and the IQ of those players, and the physical
nature of those players, and like everything they're able to do,
they adjust so quickly and combine that with pure actual resilience.
If you want to know what resilience as an intangible
trait looks like, it is what Sam Darnold did tonight,
which was fail a bunch and then keep keep swinging
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and trust that at the right time, at the exact time,
not only was his entire team gonna help set him
up to make the play, but he was then going
to reciprocate and make that play and in the playoffs
and in making a deep Super Bowl run. It does
not always matter how complete of a team you were
in the regular season, and this is a very complete team,
but how you play matchup football and how you show
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specific resilience and strategy in key moments, and that is
exactly what Seattle showed tonight.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I know when they when Puka and Akua scored that
you just figured the Rams are gonna find a way.
But it's one of the reasons you have to give
the Seahawks credit for winning the toss in overtime, not
doing what the forty nine ers did in the Super
Bowl in deciding to give the ball to the Rams first.
The Rams understandably just kicked the extra point, but the
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Seahawks knew that they could not have a tie in
this game. I most misspoke, of course, earlier, when I
said that there was a sweep. I think of that
first game and how much like the Seahawks dominated the
line of scrimmage and they outgained the Rams. But the
Rams of course won that game. So you know, a
tie was not going to help the Seahawks in this situation.
They needed to get that tie breaker back on their side,
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and so after giving up the touchdown, they knew exactly
what they had to deal with. And the forty nine
ers are watching and they're thinking, are X forty nine
ers and I'm stealing this from the comment section, maybe
are the ones who are going to come through with
the biggest two point conversion of the season. Yes, famous
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X forty nine ers. Sam Darnold to Eric Cybert, who
did not have a catch, like he's like not in
the box score. They don't put the two point conversions
in the box score. But he caught that two point conversion.
And the thing that stands out in that two point
conversion and the other you know assist I think should
go in the fourth quarter is the offensive line played
much better. Even even though I know Kobe Turner had
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a number of splash plays and was incredible in this game.
In that overtime drive, the offensive line one, and they
had moments of dominance in this game, including the opening drive.
And so like they've had their share of injuries, they
did not have their left tackle tonight. That was a
huge factor in this game. And on the biggest play
of the season, Like was that Donald's third read? I
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mean he was back there forever before he found him.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, And man, I I've sort of thought this a
couple of times tonight. I hope this incredible Kobe Turner
aka All Star Vibes team member just does not have
this game wasted. And at least it's an island game
so everybody can actually see, you know, but it's just, yeah,
it was they held up at the right time. Again,
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Sam Donald was calm at exactly the right time. I
did not realize that about the forty nine ers connection,
because you know, the forty nine ers were absolutely ecstatic
about this one, considering you know, they're still lurking around
in the NFC, and also probably ecstatic watching the Rams
miss a kick, considering now the Niners apparently have all
their kicking problems solved, and it's the other NFC West
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teams it seemed to have some issues with their kicks.
So you know, the universe is a giant arc, you know, Greg,
it works.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
In mysterious ways. And the chances of Seattle San Francisco
being the Sunday Night er in week eighteen went up
because what the forty nine ers have is the tiebreaker
over everyone. Right now, they're four and one in the division. Jones, right,
they're four and one in the division. The problem is
they're at Indianapolis this week on Monday night. We'll be
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recapping that live on YouTube afterwards, me and Nick Schook,
and then a very difficult game hosting the Bears before
playing Seattle. So they have a lot of work to
do to stay on. You know, they have to win
those two games to get to the Seattle game. But
if they went out, they're the one seed, which is
which is just a crazy situation. And like I said,
the Rams are gonna have basically an impossible time passing
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the Seahawks at this point because Seattle, you know, plays
at Carolina next week. Carolina's been the giant killer. I guess,
I guess we can't completely rule them out, but you know,
the Rams will need a lot of help. They're gonna
need a forty nine Ers loss and they're gonna need
two Seahawks losses to try to get to that one seed.
If not, we're just gonna have the NFC maybe looking
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a little more like the AFC than we expected, which
is basically everyone can win it, except maybe those that
NFC South team. I cannot wait.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Us West Coasters getting to watch NFC West football. We
just exist in an embarrassment of wealth. Frankly minus minus
the Cardinals, but they're in Mountain time.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
So I love you Flexen on the NFC West, your division.
It really is where the best of the teams are
this year. Although I guess the NFC North and what
we're going to see Saturday night will have a discussion
with that. That was Quarterback Keeper by the Way, presented
by Snapdragon. Learn more at snapdragon dot com slash laptops.
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I by the way, I know Stafford didn't get the
win tonight. He did not hurt his standing for the MVP.
You never know what's going to happen over the next
two weeks. He's got to keep playing well. They can't
stub their toe in two games. They're going to be
heavily favored in Atlanta and Arizona. But he entered tonight
as the MVP favorite. I think he left tonight as
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the MVP favorite because he had an outstanding game overall,
they just didn't get the win.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Can I tell you my favorite Stafford moment? You would
think it was the no look pass, which never gets old.
The first time I ever saw that was in training
camp where he was throwing it to Darryl Henderson and
Darryl Henderson was like in the wash up the middle
of the field in the red zone, and I yelled
three curse words, and that's those are the three curse
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words I think every single time I see that. And
you know, my favorite moment of his though, because he
is playing outside of his body really like he's kind
of in that. I call it the soul Steeler darkly
chaotic Matthew Stafford I coined the term during their Super
Bowl run. And my favorite part though, was when he
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was getting really stressed about Sean McVay giving him a
really long play call in the helmet and he started
doing this like hand gesture where you could It's what
I do when I am really stressed out by small talk.
I do it sort of close to my sides and
very subtle. When I'm really stressed out when small talk
is just continuing and continuing, continuing, and I really want
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to interrupt, but I don't want to be rude, so
I get really anxious about it and I start doing
this with my hands. I saw it, and then when
they ran the play, I was like, Oh, I get
why the play call was so long, because it was
like a tight end screen off of a flea flicker.
So I was like, yeah, that one must have been
pretty long winded because then you have to get two
play calls in, and that one's probably pretty long itself
with all the blocking.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
That was how I was feeling when this game went
to overtime and I realized I was not.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Craig started going like.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
This, gonna be able to drive my family to the
airport where they're going right now for the holidays, although
if we finish this thing soon enough, I might still
drive there and try to say goodbye. The last thing
I did want to mention is pukin Akua is weak
because we have not been able to address that. And
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first of all, pukin Akua, like had over two hundred
yards in this game. He is making a strong bid
to win Offensive Player of the Year as great as
Jackson smith in Jigba has been, and he was fantastic
in this game. After being basically shut out in the
first half, smith in Jigba finishes with eight and ninety
six in a touchdown. Pooka on a night without DeVante
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Adams was twelve for two hundred and twenty five yards
and two touchdowns, just like a ridiculous performance. One of
the best contested catch seasons of all time, one of
the best receiver seasons like that we've seen, and he's
playing out of his mind. But it was in a
week where I think he lost a lot of fans.
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I'm sure Rams fans are gonna more than stick by
him and there'll be a segment that will be cheering
him for what happened in his week. But he apologized
on Thursday, and I will quote Pukinakua for his apology
for what he did on a live stream during the week.
When I appeared the other day on a social media
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live stream, it was suggested to me to perform a
specific movement as part of my next touchdown celebration. At
the time, I had no idea this act was anti
Semitic in nature and perpetuated harmful stereotypes against Jewish people.
Nikoua said it was in an Instagram post that he
sent out, I deeply apologe to anyone who is offended
by my actions, as I do not stand for any
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form of racism, bigotry, or hate of another group of people.
The NFL also released a statement, and a lot of
people want to kind of give pokin Akua a pass
because he's young and dumb. But our friend Patrick Clayban
I think put it well like, if we're giving a
pass for people who do hateful things because they're dumb,
(40:24):
that's going to take care of a lot of the
population that that's doing stuff that he doesn't need to
be doing, and that was far from the only dumb
thing that pokin Akua you know, said on on the
live stream, including that he doesn't believe concussions are real,
that it's that you can control them with your mind. So,
just a rough week for Pukinakua and h typical of him.
(40:49):
He plays great on the field. But you know, we
did want to hit that because that that's been the
biggest story around the Rams all week and we thought
they'd be celebrating when instead they're going back and dealing
with all this coming off of a loss.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Yeah, and tough questions after a loss too, because they
had not addressed the media other than a statement on
a short week. Normally a Wednesday is an off day
or a rest day or at least a no media
like very light walk through day, so wasn't a chance
to and it was a lot of no comment at
that time. As they were deciding what to do, I
(41:24):
would say, you know, I think with everything, actions speak
louder than words, and I think obviously that being the
most serious of what occurred, there's also the you know,
trying to sneak people into or trying to get people
into the football building. YouTuber you know of a certain
(41:45):
reputation trying to get into the football building on a
short week when you're playing for the division, and some
of the comments about officiating that you know, dumb decision
or not, like you are aware you're not supposed to
do that as a player in any platform.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
He was aware that he will get fined. They talked
about it.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Yeah, any will, And so I think that that's where
the again, aside from you know, at best is a
huge learning moment. Otherwise that's also something that the situational
awareness needs to needs to improve. And you know, a
twenty four year old young man with a baby, so
(42:27):
situational awareness moving around in the world as the face
of a franchise as the star, you know, I hope
for the best for all of that.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Yeah, I think it's annoying whenever fans or media try
to tie something that's serious and off the field and
completely unrelated to things that are happening on the field,
Like he is dealing with that situation now, and it
puts Pooka in a different light for this season and
(42:56):
we'll see how that that all goes. And this RAM
season now is in a different space. They are very
much Super Bowl contenders. They can win the Super Bowl
as a five seed or a six seed, whatever it
ends up being. They still have a chance to be
the one or the two seed. They just are gonna
get it. Gonna need a little help. They just were
(43:16):
pushed back tonight on a night where it looked like
it felt like it was going to be a big
time coronation and MVP moment for Stafford, who still might
win the award. They just got a little more adversity
and they're gonna have to try to try to go
win the Super Bowl from a lower seed like they
did back five years ago. We gotta get it.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
I can already. I can already hear the spin coming
into my text messages. This is perfect. It's just like
twenty twenty one. You know, I can already hear the copium.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
That's great for you. We just came back on you
in a game that we're down thirty to fourteen and
you had the freaking ball midway through the fourth quarter.
Let's go Seattle fans. This team has been a lot
of fun. What a surprise this Seahawks season has been.
They were expected to be a five hundred team. They
are at tolight the NFC. We will be back in
(44:09):
your feed on Friday with the Weekly Pick Show. Eleven
straight weeks. I've had winning picks. This will never be
topped again, so check out with it.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
You know who else entered tonight eleven with eleven wins.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Oh that's true Seahawks, because they're big time winners. We
will see you with the Pick Show on Friday. See then,
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