Ranking (Almost) Every NFL General Manager

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Patrick Claybon to rank every non-first-time General Manager in the NFL. Find out who goes first overall (01:55) and where Les Snead (08:40), Brett Veach (13:20), Jerry Jones (31:20), Omar Khan (44:50), Ryan Poles (51:42), Mickey Loomis (55:20), and every other GM gets taken off the board. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where my kind of Memorial day
is all about ranking decision makers in the NFL. I'm
Greg Rosendel. I'm here in the Chris Westling podcast studio,
and I'm joined by Patrick Claybonn and it is time. Patrick,
how long have you been at the company?

Speaker 2 (00:22):
I have been at the company since October of twenty thirteen.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Okay, wow, twelve years in almost for totally. That is amazing.
And you've reached your most important day at the company
because we're throwing you into the fire. We are going
to determine who are the best NFL decision makers right now.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
I have waited for a very long time to be
a part of the rankings apparatus. Okay, and I am
here and I'm ready. As people are, you know, celebrating
their holiday in which way that they want, I want
them to get into this exercise as well and go
through the thought experiments that we did and try to
come up with rankings of your own and tell us

(01:05):
where we're wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
I mean, I feel a little bit of sarcasm there.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
There are a lot of guns.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
There are some people that turn their noses up at rankings.
They don't like love them as much. I enjoy it.
I enjoy making them, I enjoy consuming them. And yes,
it is a perfect Memorial day. Get out on the
beach and either listen to rankings or do some rankings.
So we're going to talk about the GMS, the decision makers,
no matter what their title is. We're not going to

(01:31):
count the guys who haven't had a chance to go
through a complete year. So that's James Gladstone of the
Jaguars and Mike Borganzia the Titans, Darren Muji of the Jets,
and John Spytech of the Raiders. I believe that's it.
So we're going to rank the rest of them. We
had a random drawing before the show of who is
going to get the first overall pick. It feels like

(01:54):
an obvious one. Patrick won the drawing.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Who are you taking with the first pick in our
twenty twenty five GM draft. I would like to select
Howie Roseman of the Philadelphia Eagles, And it feels chalky
because it is. I tried to develop a metric using
the weighted adjusted value on Pro Football Reference on the
draft page wow or for players, which is going to

(02:18):
skew towards the guys who have been drafting players the
longest because it's a cumulative thing. Like if you draft
Kalais Campbell, you've got every collective season that Khalis has had.
But in that metric, in in looking at the trades
and decisions, even if you want to ding him for
taking Carson Wentz, he ultimately trades Carson Wentz, trades that

(02:40):
Sam Bradford pick. They were able to make the aj
Brown trade. You can't argue with the results of having
being on the cup Cup of one super Bowl, keeping
this team, rebuilding the roster in one season, in one draft,
essentially getting back to the Super Bowl. The coaching decisions,
it's it's.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Howe for me, Yeah, this is theest part. I kind
of wanted to get that first pick just because I
was curious, And I'll ask you after make my pick,
you know who you would take second? Because it seems
like a tawi and then it's a big fall. If
I did this exercise annually on the website and I
would mix it, you know how, we would move up
and down depending on the year, certainly, But the last
time I did it was before the twenty twenty three draft,

(03:19):
and he was number one overall. Back then, And I'm
looking at this of like, if I could draft a
GM to run my team, who would I draft? And
he's the guy who has the most flexibility. One thing
I think he's done really well I think doesn't get
as much attention is he's gotten a lot of veterans
who are like just about to pop off and hit

(03:40):
their prime. Hassan Redick was one, Javon Hargave was one,
Zach Bond is the most recent one. But he's not
afraid to then keep them at like a higher rate
like Bond. And so that's offense awesome. And I looked
and the entire defense are Howie draft picks, by the
way right now, the entire starting blocks and most of
the offense, they're actually it's mostly homegrown guys. It's aj Brown,

(04:00):
it's Saquon I mean, another guy picking up at the
right time of his career. And it's guys that they've
they've grown inside. That says, all right, number two, I
am going to take Brad Homes of the Detroit Lions.
What do you have taken him?

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Ranking is very similar? Okay, very similar?

Speaker 1 (04:19):
No, that was tough. I had about four guys that
I wouldn't argue with if you if you took second overall.
You know, here's the thing with Holmes. The last time
again that I did the the GM drift, I will
be I mean the GM rankings. I'll refer to this
a little bit. He was seventh, and at the time
I was like he might be getting a little bit
of a push, where like, if you only have a

(04:40):
couple of years to look at, then you're more likely
to have a good couple of years. But it's tough
to sustain it and keep it going. And he's only
done better in the last couple of years. I went,
you know, we went through the position groups of me
and Shook ranking and like they might have the best
offensive line of the league, certainly among them, the best
safety group, best running backs. Like they've done a good

(05:01):
job planning for now, planning for the future. They've had
some heat checks, but ultimately, like, what more can you
do than build this team? If you're a GM and
you're going into what this is your five for him?
You want a slow progression and like they've you could
you could do a college course on how to build
up a team, and Brad Holmes would be the best professor.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, and I understand people may have depth concerns considering
what happened. I don't think it was a It should
be celebrated that the Lions were able to accomplish what
they did. Yeah, considering the amount of injuries that they
had last season, and you mentioned the chances, I value
chances higher here, like taking shots, because my thoughts with

(05:44):
acquiring talent is you have to try to acquire the
unique talent. You can't have a certain form.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
It's like pre mayor Gibbs friends.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, like you have your your Pete Carroll's is like
we want this height and weight at this position. Like
Sean Payton feels that way as well, right, Like you
have your design designated, designated guidelines for players, but sometimes
players don't fall within those parameters and you take a
shot out of it. And that's why I like Brad
Holmes in that.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
It's funny because the golf trade was a win win,
and yet just from the line side of things, it's
one of the best transactions in retrospect of the last decade.
That they got a franchise quarterback and then plus some
just to take them. It worked out pretty great for them.
All Right, you're up number three.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
With the third pick in the twenty twenty five GM draft.
I am taking Jason light of the Tampa Bay buccaneers
sustained success. I understand people may think, like, oh, you
get Tom Brady, and it's not just Tom you had.
You had to kind of rebuild that roster and keep
it together. And also I did value the fact that
you get honesty and communication from a GM where it's

(06:52):
not like you don't get any cringe comments from the
guys that are going to be taken earlier. Here like
things just make sense and the adjusted value number like
ends up being you know, my matek makes no sense
to anybody, including me. But over ten years is fourteen
point two, okay in comparison to like somebody like John
Schneider who's at sixteen, But that's fifteen years. He's been

(07:16):
there for a long time. He's acquired a lot of
very good talent. He's been able to keep that talent.
It hasn't had a lot of success elsewhere, And that's
why I'm taking them here.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
That is bold and strong. No, I think I would
have taken him thirty. We are a Jason Lake draft.
The problem is, you know, you look and the Bucks
haven't won that many games the last three years, and
you know, we're picking him over guy over organizations that
have won more games. But ultimately, I think his drafting,
his his Baker move the offensive line, building up offensive.

(07:48):
I like that you kind of included that he'd be
a good hang or that he'd represent you. Well, that
is important.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Well, yeah, because I think in terms of relating with
not just media but players as well, people respect honesty
and you don't want to be doing gamesmanship. It's like, well,
we're not going to negotiate through the media, Like it's
not that that particular conversation. You can be honest and
answer a question and also have a good faith negotiation.
I don't see why those things will be contradictory.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Honestly, it's maybe part of the reason he helped get Tom
Brady down down there. I had to look up where
is he from? Because he's a funny guy. He's like
I was like, he seems like he'd be from New England,
like a kind of a sarcastic New England. Okay, but no,
he's from Nebraska. Shout out to Jason late number three,
big climb. By the way, you know, back when I

(08:33):
did it, he was in the he was in the
middle of this draft, so he's had a very strong
couple of years. But I'm with you, I like how
much his veterans want to stay there. I'm taking less
sneed fourth overall. Now, like a lot of the GMS,
it's a it's a combination effort. I mean they all are,
and to some degree, I do think Sean McVay is

(08:56):
very important in player acquisition in addition to Sneid. But
what Sneid has shown he can do, because remember he
was with Jeff Fisher back in Saint louis Is, He's
shown that he can adapt and fit what he's going
to do to what his coach needs. So to me,
that is an asset and a point in his favor,

(09:17):
and I lean more heavily on the last few years ultimately,
because that's who i'd want now. Who's doing well with
the league as it stands right now, and it's tough
to do any better than Jared Verus, Steve Abula, Byron Young,
Kobe Turner, Puka Nakua at the last few years in
the draft, and it's not like he's been any slouch
in filling holes in terms of free agency and obviously

(09:39):
getting Stafford and all that either. So he is a
strong number four.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
And I think a part of things that may get
underrated is Sean McVay as a coach as a human
being also requires a little bit of management as well. Yeah,
and like managing that relationship where it's like, is Sean
McVay going to be doing media, is going to be
continuing coaching you you're a part of a franchise, move

(10:04):
from Los ange from from Saint Louis to Los Angeles,
like all of these things, and you get this, right,
the memes, the f the picks shirts. But then he
comes around and he has like a couple of the
best drafts in recent memory where he's doing all these things,
and the numbers you know, wound up to be twelve
point six over a very long amount of time.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
But that's good, right, No, it's the highest.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
The highest number did wind up being John Schneider just
because of the volume of years, and you know, you
get Russell Wilson and and all those guys.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
I think, well, they didn't have many picks for a while,
and he made that strategy work. The fact that they
that they so clearly had a strategy to load up
on a ton of picks the last few years and
then that they've hit on so many.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, and so he was he was high on he
was high on nine as well. And you know, I'm
running out of my my top picks.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Great great hair as well. Yeah, shout out to Thomas
de Mittroff because Leslie gives him a lot of credit.
He's from the Thomas de Mittroff GM Tree who was
a great GM back in the day. Hasn't been in
a league a while, but I'm sure he's very proud of.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Also also from you know, you follow Alabama. Shout out
to the folks on the Lake and at one point
was a Troy Trojan So uh un, let's need all.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Right, you're the number five overall pick.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
I am going to Buffalo to draft Brandon Bean uh
And ultimately you can make the arguments like, oh you
draft the space Alien. Hey, yeah, everything's going to look great.
Nobody thought that this was going to be what Josh
Allen turned out to m There's there's supporting and developing

(11:45):
a player, surrounding him with enough talent, especially the Stefan
Diggs move as well to get him that player. During
that point in his development, and you know, he over
eight years in terms of just to value averaging among
the picks gets up to fifteen point three okay, which

(12:06):
for that time time frame is almost as close as
you can get. And his Buffalo Bills have been as
close as you can get multiple times where bounces of
a ball, bad plays, weird decisions have ultimately resulted in
their runs ending. I think this is a great spot
to get him, and so I will take him.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
I think it's fine. You know, I have three names
ahead of him, so it's not like I have him buried.
I think the top of his drafts lately have him
been good enough, Like the he hasn't got enough primetime talent.
Now they're always drafting at the back of the first round.
And it's not like Dalton Kincaid, for instance, like a
bad pick. But sometimes I feel like it's like their

(12:47):
style of defense. They're like good, not great, and it's
a lot of good And Daniel Jeremia always says like
they're searching for doubles, you know, and because the doubles
sometimes turn into a home run, they're searching. I feel
like the Bills, I have a lot of like singles
to doubles and they've settled into having a really good
offensive line.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Again.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
I gave extra points for that, and so he deserves credit.
It took him a while to get there. By it
them a few spots lower. I can feel one fan
base when they see these rankings being upset. So I'm
actually going to go off my board and make it
oh wow, well not.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Just to a PE's and upset fan.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Base some way, I'm just moving them up one spot.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Happy to hear that.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
I don't think Brett Veach should well, they don't act.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Not only do I disrespect your g also think.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
I don't disrespect him. I have Brett Veach next and
in on my original rankings, I had him sixth, and
I just kind of want him to be to be
sixth here, and you took Bean too early, so he
you know, he's got the Super Bowls and you can say, oh, yeah,
well he's got my Homes. Yeah, he was even more

(13:50):
than Brandon Bean. I think it synonymous with that pick,
because maybe maybe it's just after the fact trying to
take some credit, but by all accounts was pushing hard
for that Mahomes pick throughout, So he gets credit for
Mahomes too, But more importantly, I think they've done a
good job managing how the salary CAP's gonna work, how

(14:12):
many players you can't have to pay, being flexible changing
depending on the year. They do a really good job
finding the right defensive backs. For Steve Spagnolo, they don't
necessarily like value off ball linebacker, and so they found
really good cheaper ways with these mid round picks or
at Drew Trankll to like fill those type of holes
while spending big money. They obviously fixed the offensive line

(14:34):
a few years ago. Now it's taking on, you know,
some problems there at left tackle, and they aggressively go
for it. I think the Tyreek trade worked out as
well as you know, could possibly work. I think he
needs his wide receivers and his left tackles to hit
right now. But I didn't feel comfortable with him falling
any further.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, there was there was times where it's like, you
have this tremendous opportunity because you have Patrick Mahomes and
the problem of this career, and they were just kind
of trying to squeak by at other spots that were
a little frustrating.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Right, It's hard, it's so it's isn't it impossible. It's
because of the salary cap to be good everywhere. So
the fact that they've won at least twelve No, they
did win eleven games in twenty three, but you know,
at least twelve eleven or more since twenty eighteen. Yeah,
that's pretty strong.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, and the you know, the numbers. The numbers also
bear that out where he winds up right in between
Jason Light and the player the GM I'm gonna pick.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Next, okay, and it's not all about the draft either.
We're talking free agency, we're talking trades, and I think
Veach has been pretty flexible and doing well in those
areas as well. Although let's be real, Andy Reid has
close to as much power and I think, say in
terms of the personnel, as almost any coach on this
entire list. So Andy Reid gets a shout out here,
and when we say Brett Veach, it's sort of a

(15:57):
stand in for Brett Beach and Andy as a team.
All right, yere up.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
And I think that goes for my next pick, which
will be John Lynch of the San Francisco forty nine, who, again,
some of these years were shocking to me that it's
eight years for John Lynch in Santa Clara coming in
twelve point three, a little bit behind Less Snead. And
in terms of the talent acquisition, of course they get

(16:22):
a big boost, right, they found a starting quarterback the
very last pick in the draft. They've some of the
contract management stuff has taken a while, but they ultimately
get it done.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Might be ownership there too, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
So that could be related. But when you are a
contender for an extended period of time, you are I
guess some folks aren't. Like we just discussed Bean right
in his acquisition strategies, which I think that they've taken shots,
but the forty nine ers have absolutely taken shots, and

(16:57):
that era may be over now, but I do give
them credit because to be that close for that long
is something we're celebrating.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, and I think that when you look at the
forty nine Ers over the last handful of years, it's
still true now. It was true last year even when
they won six games. One of the first things you
think about them is, Wow, that's a really talented team.
And so you got to get you got to give
the GM ultimately. And Kyle Shanahan again, Kyle Shannan has
a lot to do with this. I've been so I've

(17:27):
always felt like their relationship it was an arranged marriage,
and they've really made it work. And I'm actually impressed
it has stayed together as long and a little surprise
that its stayed together as long as it as it has.
But very talented guys. They're good at finding guys at
work on the offensive line. Maybe a little I don't know.

(17:48):
I give Kyle Shannan maybe more credit than most coaches,
but John Lynch was seventh by the way back in
twenty twenty three. He was right at the same spot.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
It almost deserves its own podcast on how it would
separate from the GMS and these things.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
I was surprised that you didn't take that. Your Ravens
is Eric Tacosta next. I think they've done a good
job rebuilding on the fly while winning a ton of games.
They have changed their roster each offseason really for the
last three off seasons, especially the two before this one,
about as aggressively as any team had to because they

(18:23):
just had guys aging out. And he actually hasn't had
great drafts, Eric Tacosta. I don't think we'll see what
your numbers say. He had that Kyle Hamilton draft with Linderbaum,
which was fantastic, but otherwise it's been pretty mediocre, which
is why you know, for me he falls this far
though I had him a little higher in my list.
But he is good, I think at getting guys at

(18:44):
the margins to help his team, whether it's a veteran
that you add to the mix last minute or just
little additions mid round pick stuff like that. I think
he's a very solid GM.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Well, yeah, he's solid. I did have him a couple
of spots downs that was probably lingering frustration over the
Lamar deal, where I felt like the window could have
been extended and you could have gotten that deal done
earlier instead of waiting for the Eagles to make the
Hurts offer and being like this looks good. I think

(19:14):
there could have been a more competitive offer made earlier
on in the process.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
In the process, let's forget how crazy it was two
years ago. Remember the Falcons were like, Nope, we don't
want Lamar Jackson. Remember Lamar Jackson requesting a trade. It
was dark days and.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
All that was very unnecessary to me, as well as
the public conversation about the difficulty of the negotiation when
it's like you make an offer, the player decides if
he wants it or not. It's it's even less difficult
when there's there's no agent involved, you know, depending on
who they're working for, most often themselves, but there's there.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
There was that and I think, don't get Patrick going
on his anti agent screeds, one of one of my favorites.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
We will probably sick of it at this point. It
comes out to six years nine point three okay on
the scale where it's that you have to give him
credit for the trade for Roquan. Yeah, you know p
Q ends up leaving and going to the Steelers there,
but he makes the Roquan trade core pieces of the

(20:15):
team look good and it's you know, they're gonna have
a chance every year. That the most important reason for
that he flirted with not having on the team anymore
for to save how much money I don't.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Know, right, And technically that he did draft Lamar Jackson
at least he was he was there. That that is
maybe like a small demerit on the costa that Azzi
is literally over his shoulder still because if you if
you see at the combine there there's Azzie, but they're
they're a combination, so they all get credit. The Costa
was thirteenth on my list. By the way, a few

(20:49):
years ago, you're up next with the ninth.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
I know I'm going way off of your board, and
I'm gonna have to defend this with passion, and I
will I will take Terry Font Oh my god, I
will stop.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
I will see. Now we can't send out the you
know how they've been sending out like a list with
the rankings, and I have been afraid that something like
this would happen. I can't send this list out now
that has Font to down nine. I literally have him
like twenty I am.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
I am sure that you do. I am sure that
you do. And I am sure that you also have
Mickey Loomis at the very near the bottom, if not,
if not the absolute bottom of our exercise too.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
And so if are we giving Mickey Loomis credit for
twenty seventeen, I'm not anymore.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
I'm saying who I want to hire right now. I
don't want to hire Terry Font. No, he hasn't done well.
Why would Terry Font know be nine?

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Because I wanted to come in this with a clear
eye develop a metric and he has assembled in four
years ten point twenty nine, you know, scoring higher than
Eric da Costa, relatively score higher than a lot of
people on this list by acquiring very, very good talent
that has played and played early and had success. And

(22:09):
I think that, of course, the albatross is going to
be this contract that I feel doesn't get done without
ownership involvement to the extent that you draft a quarter presence, Yeah,
that you draft a quarterback immediately after the deal, because
like that was something that the boss wanted to do. It.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
It's not all about drafting, it's about everything that they
do well.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeahs. It becomes more difficult to do everything. Hey, when
you've got all this money devoted into a quarterback that
was literally in recovery, like post surgery recovery when they
got the deal done.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
I just mean, if another GM on draft day is saying, like, hmmm,
where can we get a good deal from who was
going to give up too much in a pick? I'm
calling Terry Fonteno. He's given up that extra first round pick.
He's been there for four years. So a big thing
for me is GM in their third season, you want

(23:03):
some proof of concept of what you've done. And right
now he is entering year five. They've had a losing
record every time. He botched the first head coaching higher
and so I'm putting that on him ultimately the second one,
Like we'll see how that goes. He has the Kirk trade.
The high picks have been fine. I wouldn't say, like

(23:24):
we'll see on Pennix. Pitts has been not a good pick.
London has been a very good pick. And Jeanne's been
a good pick too. So you know, that's about what
you would expect. Maybe a little better than you would expect.
He brought in Jesse Bates. It's not all terrible, but
I knocked him big time for not going after Lamar
Jackson and for going for Deshaun Watson. And I don't

(23:44):
care if it was ownership. I'm putting Terry Fino in
that big bucket.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, And again it's the difficulty of separating the owner.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
And in terms of they wanted Deshaun Watson, they didn't
want Lamar Jackson, and they haven't had a winning record.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
I think that the individuals in charge of these institutions
were the ones responsible for the Deshaun Watson fiasco. Including
the one that took the blame in Cleveland for it.
But man, there's it's just if we haven't seen proof
of concept for Atlanta and the team that Like, we
both agree that Jason light belongs in the in the

(24:18):
top echelon of these gms. Yeah, and they were right
there with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers during the season in
which they had to start a rookie quarterback late. So like,
how is that not proof of concept?

Speaker 1 (24:28):
I get that you you don't want to just ranked vibes.
I'm okay, Like, I don't look at it as vibes.
I look at it as taking all the information that
you have and trusting that you can mash it all
up and then come up with kind of what's an
opinion and take some things out of context. I would

(24:50):
say that what's the best thing about the Falcons last
handful of years? I would say the offensive line. Fatah
had nothing to do with that. So that's like the
one part of the team that was good. He hasn't
been able to build up.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Uh, they we're starting Taylor and Desmond Ritter dog right,
I just well, that's partly on him.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
He's entering year five. I man, it's tough. He you
got you want to see some better proof of concept
than Fontano has had.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
After four years, big season in Atlanta, Greg is gonna
turn me into a burn It could be the biggest
Falcons fan in the world.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah, I have I have him at twenty three ran
twenty three. We we got to pick up the pace.
I gotta make a pick. No, don't be sorry, I mean,
do be sorry that you took Fonten out. I'm loving
my Brian kudu Gun's value here at number ten had
him eighth overall a couple years ago. Again, a guy
who I think has shown an ability to find a

(25:43):
good offensive line, Like finding really good players in the
second third round. Man, that is like one of the
toughest things to do, and they've done it consistently, so
that that is a great base to build up. They
need to transition from kind of being that that team
that's the youngest team in the league every year and
being a little more talented. He's had has six first
rounders right now. Patrick. On his defense, you would want

(26:06):
the defense to be better than it is, and you
would want to have better overall players considering the investment there.
So that's a little bit of a knock, but overall,
you give him credit for the Jordan Love pick and
give him credit for a lot else So I like,
goody here at number ten.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, they've put a lot of talent in a lot
of places almost and also they've they've been able to
make moves in free agency. You're still shaking your head.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
I am, I am, because I'm just thinking. I'm just
thinking about the way I'm going to have to couch
this in a tweet or if we if we like, uh,
if we make a board, we got to put a
big asterisk one controversy. Patrick made this pick. It doesn't count. Yeah,
I'm being me.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah, no, it's it's not. It's not mean to me.
It just I look at I look at talent on
the roster. It's the same conversation we're having about Brian
Guttacunz to where it's like, ultimately like Howie's the only
one that can take the credit to being good right,
like bread Bread Veech as well, like those.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
The it's fair if the Falcons go twelve and five
this year and they're rolling, I expect Patrick to order
some sort of Terry Fonta T shirt. I don't know
if we could do that, Let's take a quick break
and we'll move on from the top ten. Back on

(27:29):
NFL Daily Studio, still shaking with a reverberation. Most controversial
thing heard around the world. Some people say it's it's
not really even appropriate to do what Memorial Day, that
you're you're not respecting the troops by making the fire.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
I'm accuse them of many things.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Let's go number number eleven. Who do you got now?
I don't know what this system tea this. If we
wanted to really get off track, this may be a
sign where you got to combine the analytics side with
the common sense side, you know, the two sides.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
That's what that's what's being done here.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
I can't totally rely on that's what's.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Being done here. Just because you disagree doesn't mean that's
not that's not what's being done. I will go down
by the numbers now to the next pick no, because
this was my wriankings. I will take Nick Casseio here,
who is assembled to nine point one over four years,
where it feels like Nick Casserio has been in Houston
for at least nine years.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
I was shocked to find out been that many head
coaches that.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
It's that it's only been for and and yeah, if
if not for the precipitous turnover and head coaches, maybe
maybe it would have been a little higher had they
actually been devoted to winning football games before now. But
but I just think it's a very good roster. Uh,
it suits the coaching staff very well, and that these players,

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some of them, you know, haven't had success elsewhere. They
they've come to Houston and they've they've been able to
accomplish the things. And so I like the way this
team is built.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, that's a that's a great call. That they've helped
to make other teams players. That's a great sign of
a good coaching staff in a good front office. Yeah,
you know, I'm not gonna lie. He had me. He
had me in the first few years. I thought I
thought he was he was a bum Casario. But they
got two Rookies of the Year the year after that.
They're there. Their secondary is outrageously good. Lasseter Bullock, Petre Stingley,

(29:33):
all all guys that that Caseario drafted, he drafted Nico
Collins in the first draft, that the Daniel Hunter pickup
was good. I'm with you, Adam Peters is going to
be my pick here at number twelve. This one's tricky
because he's only been there for a year and a half.
But I think you can only grade on what he's done,
and jayde Daniels gets the most credit for that. But

(29:56):
Adam Peters, you know, he took jayde Daniels, who I mean,
he had great options between him and Drake May, but
he took Jay and Daniels. Obviously a franchise changing pick,
but a lot of good moves around the edges. The
Sandra Still pick was good, Uh, finding guys kind of
like Bobby Wagner and Doran's Armstrong and Frankie Lou who
could just step in right away. So what can you

(30:16):
really say. I didn't like his picks subjectively, I mean
his free agent pickups this offseason, but I really didn't
put much into that because we don't know how they're
going to work out. So I think it's unfair to
put on him that I didn't really like love him.
They might work out great, So I put him here
at twelve.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, it makes sense at twelve. The numbers right, for
one year, it was the best one year you could
possibly have, right, So you get you go to quarterback
and go to the NFC Championship game. He starts every
single game. That's going to skew things like if you
if you made this a ten if he had that
level of success, the numbers, I know, the numbers make
sense to everybody. He'd be like thirty points ahead of ever.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
He'd be the greatest.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, g.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Everyear if he drafted Jayden Daniels and that's going.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
To be possible, Like yeah, like nobody might have that
level of success. It was almost like in terms of value,
like Puka had a similar level of season, but that's
not even at the quarterback position. So it's it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, see you you were looking at the entire tenure.
I'm definitely leaning a little more towards lately. So I'm
curious who you're going with next.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
I am going with the owner of the Dallas Cowboys, Okay,
and Jerry Jones.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Interesting it is.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
He would be significantly higher in terms of talent acquisition
because I couldn't even do the full math on his
tenure because that would be crazy and the numbers would
be just wouldn't make any sense. But just in terms
of the recent value in all of these players he
should be higher. But the way that these contract decisions
get dragged out and they'll go into the they'll go

(31:50):
into a year like having money to spend and not
spend it. There's some questionable things, but the talent that
has been on the roster during this window has been
good enough, uh, to to contend for a Super Bowl.
They haven't, they haven't done it, but all you can
all you can hope to have is the ability to
do that. And I think you know, despite being the
person who signs all the checks, uh, they've been able

(32:12):
to do it.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, Item tenth last time around, I definitely had them
a few spots lower than you, but nothing crazy similar
negatives to you. His hot streak in the draft has ended, though,
and so like that's a big deal that he had
the Parsons draft with Odiggy Zoo was in that draft.
But the best picks in the last three drafts or
so is Tyler Smith. Like Ferguson, like, we got to

(32:37):
see some more results out of these recent picks. I
did like the pickings move though, so I think that
that's fair. Overall, they've done a good job bringing in
high end talent. Me and I really struggle. I do
like go off vibes a little bit, and I'm on
the clock here and I'm looking at my board, and uh,
it says one thing. And yet sometimes you got to

(33:00):
be on the clock to feel what's really in your heart.
And I want Sean Payton, George Payton now, I don't
want to wait around any longer. I think Sean Payton
and George Payton are bringing a level of professionalism that
I'm feeling comfortable with. Now, is it Peyton or Patten?
I keep forgetting it's Peyton. They're both Peyton.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah, it's George Payton, but they're not spelled the same.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yeah. Look, he brought in Russell Wilson. That's a pretty
big knock on him. And so they haven't had a
lot of picks since Russell Wilson because they lost so
many in that trade. But they hit on Bonnicks, they
hit on Riley Moss, and then I really like some
of the free agency moves that they've made. Zach Allen,
Jonathan Franklin, Myers, Peyton was there, George Payton when they

(33:43):
drafted Quinn Minors, who's turned into an All pro. And
what you see with Sean Payton and this is where
I think his ability to merge personnel and coaching matters
is like some of the mid round guy, like he'll
add like a Marvin Mims. He's going to find a
role for Marvin Mims, I think to be a contributor
and a productive player. I know he's a young player,
but just as an example of like, he's gonna find roles.

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So I like him in this spot. I wouldn't have
wanted him in the top ten or anything, but I
think he's like a floor razor.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yeah, it slots in and there's a It gives me
an opportunity to take a GM that I didn't think
that I would be drafting, but I'm taking. I'm gonna
take John Schneider, who I just passed here. After fifteen years,
the numbers come up to sixteen point one. But again,
when you have that amount of time, it's gonna lift
the numbers up. Like again, Jerry Jones would have been

(34:33):
way off of this list. I mean looking back where
it was Bruce Irvin, Russell Wilson, and Bobby Wagner in
one draft. They didn't have a lot of picks that year,
but through a stretch like they get Richard Sherman the
year before, assembling one of the more notable units that

(34:54):
we'll remember from this entire era of football in the
Legion of Boom, where I know Pete it was a
huge factor in that, and judging by the way things
have gone in the past few years that they probably
had very different visions, but they were able to collaborate
and make it work. And this this feels like a
good spot for him.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yeah, I wanted to rank him lower, frankly, but I
looked at the drafts lately and you got to give
him credit like Devin Witherspoon and Jackson Smith and Jigba
that's a great draft, the Charles crossboy, mafe Riek willin. Now,
I know Pete's still there at that point. You know
there was a slump before that, but the offensive line
you got to hold against him. But he's made some

(35:32):
good pickups like Leonard Williams Ernest Jones were good pickups.
I think the first you know, they should have kept
Gina Smith, so I'm kind of knocking them for that,
But I also think it's hard to separate, like who
gets credit for Gina, So I would give more to Pekro.
I think that like when I was Sean Payton. Though
like over Schneider, for instance, there is something about he's

(35:52):
He's now the man there in a way that I'm
not like fully comfortable. He's a he's like himself, and
I think I want like some of these other guys instead.
I don't know why because of that, just off vibes
man this we're in the middle of the draft. It's tricky.
You can get people feeling different types of ways about

(36:14):
Duke Tobin of the Bengals that he could be at
the very close to the bottom of this list or
closer to the top because of what he's been working
with in Cincinnati. It's a difficult situation. I think that
right in the middle is okay. His offensive line fix
really has just only gone okay. You got to blame
him a lot for what's happened on the defense because

(36:35):
they've put a ton of resources there, a ton of
swings hasn't totally worked. I think over his entire stretch run,
he probably would be ranked a little higher for me,
but I think I'm leaning I'm not really giving much
credit to something, well, you did seven eight years ago.
At this point, I'm thinking more about the last handful
of years and they've been mediocre. I think they need

(36:56):
to do better building around Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, this was a spot where I was considering Duke
Tobin as well. I know that you know there's frustrations
with the Trey Hendrickson deal, but he didn't even mention,
uh Duke Tobin by name. It was like it was
it was a coach, you know, some communication issues and
is in his availability and talking about his contract. And

(37:19):
I understand that they got the t and Jamar deals
to deal with.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
What's very nebulous what Tobin like Toblin is Tobin is
clearly running the draft. But I think this is more
of an ownership right team than most uh not, you know,
not as much as the Cowboys, but closer to that
than than most teams out there. They're old school the Browns.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Yeah, team send us power percentages for decisions, so that
we can know. I will go to to our relatively
new our guys and take many awesome for it. Okay,
of the Arizona Cardinals.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
It's almost like you're looking on my sheet. That was next.
I thought that would be cool.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Well, I mean, do you want to I'm just going
to take. I don't want to run a foul of
your list, as I have not earlier where I've committed
a crime. I feel bad, No, don't feel bad, Not
for me. You know, I'm fine. Terry Fondo, maybe we
want to come after you, but Jason light might ye know,
he'll be happy, Ye, he'll be happy. Yeah, the Falgrets

(38:21):
are trash, Mickey, I'm sure you're a good friend as well.
We'll love it. I don't know how Dan Morgan will feel,
but yeah, if we're talking about many, awesome for it.
It needs more data, uh, for for him and some
of the you know, the guys I have in this range.
But I think taking that situation and going in with
a new coach and trying to figure out how to

(38:42):
handle your quarterback situation and all these things bringing us this,
this this search bar of a defense that we're starting
a little bit more about. I like the free agent
acquisitions as well this year, so it makes sense I'll
take money here.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
I really like their off season. I'm trying not to
put too much weight on that because we haven't seen
it's going to work out, but I really like their draft.
I like their offseason. I like that he's gotten contributors
in the draft, like Paris Campbell was a good one,
and some of the guys in the secondary like Max
Melton and Michael Wilson and Garrett Williams, like they got

(39:16):
these guys that aren't household names search bar. But I
think he's done a good job, like I don't. He's
entering year three. So this is like the push here,
But there's not much you can really fault in manti
Astin for I think that's good. I don't want you
to feel like you can't just draft as if no
one's watching, as if I'm not watching. This is not
I don't want this to be.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
This is what we're doing.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Like I'm listening on audiobook to this kind of tell
all memoir about Facebook, and it's it's amazing. It's by
Sarah win Williams. It's incredibly written. She's a very trustworthy
narrator and everything that you could possibly think, how bad

(40:02):
it would be to be in the inner inner circle
of Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg, it's it's it's worse than you think.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Does it go over me? And more?

Speaker 1 (40:10):
It is about foreign relations. It hasn't gotten there, but
that was her job, So I maybe haven't gotten to
that part, but yeah, it is electric for a non
fiction book. Anyways, It's not unique to Facebook, but I
think it was true among her bosses. You know how
how little everyone would say honestly to the bosses, especially

(40:33):
Cheryl Sandberg back in the day. I don't want to
be the Cheryl Sandberg or Mark Zuckerberg of NFL Daily
where you're not just drafting who you want to draft.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
No, as evidenced my recent history, that is what I'm doing.
And you know, go Falcons.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
We have a special guest producer here today, Chris Babona
in the chair. Did you did you follow the reasoning
at all of what I was talking about with the
Facebook book memoir analogy?

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Well? Yeah, because obviously Patrick always is like on the
NFL lines, he doesn't like want to branch out, and
you being like Facebook zucker Billet and are always on him.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Okay, maybe I was just trying to say, like did
that come through? Is that too much of it? But
you got to let Patrick outlet that's what we don't
want to do that. I mean, it depends to a degree.
I want Patrick to continue to work here at NFL
Media and with me as like long as possible, and
so we don't want to let him totally out, but

(41:37):
Terry Fon knows. Mostly the book is called Careless People,
by the way, and it's been a resign bestseller, better
than I could have expected. All right, next up, this
is where the list it gets tough for me. I'm
gonna go Joe Joe Hortiz just so far, so good.

(41:57):
I kind of I just like the cut of his jib.
He's the Chargers GM for those who don't know good
in front of a microphone. I think it's made a
lot of really like sound decisions so far. They found
some late round picks at cornerback, Cam Hartzart Heap still
that that I liked. I think their first round picks
have been solid. They got a little more aggressive, not

(42:19):
crazy in free agency this year. It's it's more just
an incomplete but so far, so good, and for what
it's worth, like the guys that they brought in contributed
to a team that improved quite a bit, So Harbaugh
obviously gets the most credit for that, but he's right
there with Jim Harbor.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah, it makes perfect sense, especially with like the potential
for the things to change, like Monty and as well
as Joe Jorties are just kind of right there.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Right, which is maybe why I should have put him lower,
but I don't know. It's just like, so far his
batting average is good to me, all right, you're up next.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
In terms of winning, things have been pretty good for
the Minnesota Vikings here as of late, so I will
take Quessiodolfo mensa. It's I understand, like, if you're talking
about draft value, there's been some trades that have kind
of limited things, Like in my metric, right, when you
have like a Dallas Turner as well as a first

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round quarterback that's not going to play, you know, you're
not able to get any value for those guys. But
there is potential for those things to change. And you know,
at this point, we wouldn't be talking about Sam Darnold
starting like being a surefire starter, getting the contract that
he got and dethroning Gino in his position if not

(43:36):
for you know, this front office's efforts as well as
you know, Kevin O'Connell obviously plays a role, but they
work together, so I'm sharing the credit and the value there,
So I.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Got Yeah, Honestly, I'm laughing because I sort of forgot
about QUESTI and I would have taken him earlier. Now,
I think, judging by the coach you know draft we had,
like I took him forth overall, Questy wouldn't have been
close to that height, wouldn't have been in my top
ten because his drafts ultimately have been below average on
by and large. Yeah, I would say.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Like if we were going vibes, yeah, and I didn't
try to look at numbers on this, I would have
had Quesci way higher.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
But free agency they took they got Jonathan Grenard. They
essentially like let Hunter walk and got Grenard, a younger
player who I think fit the scheme that they have.
Not that he's better than Danil Hunter, but he came
in at less money and was a really good free
agency pickup. Van Ginkle great pick up. I think he

(44:34):
deserves some credit for that. But yeah, that some of
their better like young players are you know. Blake Cashman
was another pickup. He probably should have gone like a
little higher. Apologies to to Quesci, but yeah, this is fine.
What are you going to disrespect the other people are
around here. I'll take Omar Khan now, only three drafts
running the Pittsburgh Steelers the more that you hear from reporters.

(44:57):
I think Mike Tomlin has as much personnel power as
he's ever had. He's probably had always a little more
than we realize when he worked with Kevin Kolbert, but
that was someone that had been in the organization for
two decades and now he's working with a younger GM.
So I think Tomlin has a big hand in these drafts,
and lately they've been good. I mean, it's kind of

(45:18):
crazy he's this late because like Joey Porter, Junior, Keanu,
Benton her Big, you know, they've gotten some good offensive
linemen and Zach Frazier and McCormick. We'll see about Fallaton
and he's got to see how Project Jones at, whether
he's healthy. But the drafts have been pretty good. They
don't do a lot in free agency. They made the
DK trade, which overall, I like. The quarterback position obviously

(45:40):
is a huge negative, and so he pays for that.
If it wasn't for the quarterback, if he had I'm
trying to think of like a like if he had
traded for Gino Smith a couple of years ago or something,
they were like they had to fix the quarterback position.
To like an above average level. A couple of years ago,
he'd probably be in my top ten. But that's a
pretty big knock on the team.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Yeah, you've had a very long time to develop a
plan at that position, and other teams have found their quarterbacks,
some have found multiple quarterbacks during that time frame, and
you need to address it.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
All right, let's take a quick break and we're gonna
wrap up the draft.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
At this.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Back in the NFL Daily, we have drafted twenty men
whose job it is to draft to be evaluated. Not
so easy when to choose on the other foot. Huh, guys,
you know you don't like being picked late.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Turn that microscope on yourself, look into your cells.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
I do feel that you know somewhat bad. But this
is what happens when you get to the end of
these lists. I felt this way about the coach too.
I was like, we're in pretty good shape. Like I
don't think the next few g gms are for the
most part, have done like a terrible job. It's kind
of like having a late show. As Jimmy Kimmel, I
heard one say, like, if you still have the show,

(47:04):
that's a success. So like, if you are a GM,
that's a success, and especially a couple of these have
been around a little while, that's a success for them.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Yeah, your your job is to keep your job, and
a lot of times, you know, we've got some person.
You know, people think personalities are exclusive to players. Managing
relationships with ownership is probably an important part of the job.
And if you you know, if you have a job,
you know that that's what that's what people like to do.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Well, the older you get, you realize that's so much
more important or telling for who gets put forward or
sticks around, like sucking up to bosses really helps.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
I would like to take Chris Greer, who has a
massed thirteen point seven on my metric for a very
long time, since since twenty sixteen. Where you've get a
lot of good players who contribute. The problem is some
of those players wind up contributing in play says that
are not Miami. One notable example would be of you know,

(48:06):
they make the trade of Miga Fitzpatrick, they get a
first round pick. They ultimately take Tua in the first
round there, but that wasn't the pick that they traded.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
It took Austin Jackson.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Rather, it took Austin Jackson with the Minka trade first
round pick, and they've been contenders. They've assembled a good team,
just haven't maybe three or four wins, which is crazy
over the course of these years, could have changed his
position in my rankings a whole lot. But I think
relative to the rest of the ones that are available,

(48:44):
I like getting Chris Queer here.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Yeah, it is a round where I had him as well.
I had him fifteenth last time. I think the hardest
thing to measure here would be you need to have
the summer your parts be, you know, the team be
greater than to some of their parts, and I think
they would be the opposite of that. I think they've
made a lot of moves that individually look like they

(49:06):
worked out pretty well. But overall this organization has always
been a little less than the some of their parts
to me, and so I think that's on the GM
a little bit like a lack of a coherent plan,
like going from one thing to the next, which the other,
and maybe it doesn't all totally add up, even though
like Jalen Ramsey made sense and Tyreek Hill made sense,
like all these made sense, and yet they don't. It
doesn't all come together.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Which is why these like MIKEA. Fitzpatrick, Andrew Van Ginkel,
Christian Wilkins, like all of these guys right who wind
up being contributors elsewhere, Like you have the ability to
take them, but you should be able.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
To make that work, right Like by according to the
local reports, they really wanted like Colas Cambell back this
year and that was going to be maybe an important
player for them, and they didn't get him back. And
so if we're going to give credit to Adjason Light
for making an atmosphere where players want to stay because
they like the organization the situation, we sort of have
to give the Dolphin a little bit of a knock.

(50:00):
But Chris career hanging on. I think they need to
win this year for him to feel good. I'm gonna
go Chris Ballard next. Infamously, in my own mind, I
ranked him number one overall, like back in twenty sixteen
or seven, I forget what year it was, where I
thought they had the most talented roster in the entire NFL.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Do we have a graphic, because I'll put that up
if you try to ship me for my Terry font No.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
I mean, it's it's pretty, it's pretty embarrassing. He was
eighteenth the last time I did this exercise, so it
had faded. We'll see the offensive line, which has been
a strength and was probably Ballard's, you know, the best
thing that he did now doesn't look as good. The weapons,
which were bad, now look pretty good on paper. I
think this team kind of makes sense. I'm not like
in love like his public persona sometimes a little prickly

(50:53):
or condescending, and the relationship with the coaches and the
and the and the fans and stuff has been up
and down. So that's a little bit of a negative
to me too. For Chris Ballad.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Yeah, I'm right there with you. The idea of making
your quarterback try extra hard by bringing in Daniel Jones,
and kind of it's like exclusively Richardson's responsibility.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
I didn't Yeah, I direct anyone that's curious. I mean,
you could go to NFL dot com, or you could
go to an SI dot com article from April of
twenty twenty one, which says king of the Draft Colts,
Chris Ballard named best drafting GM in the NFL. And
yeah that was by.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
So yeah got him.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
He had a good run and I might have overrated him.
There number twenty two. You're up.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
I will take Ryan Poles at number twenty two, just
purely based off of liking the I see the vision
more so than some of the remaining choices, where I
I probably could not in hindsight, we could have taken

(52:04):
a better GM.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
But regret, while he's on the clock, that's rare. I
think it's fine.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
I actually turned he turned the card in.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
I think there would have been my pick for what
it's worth, which isn't much.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Yeah, we the options get limited down here at the bottom. Yeah,
the hiring of eberflus is something that it takes it
it takes its skill to survive.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
And that was his guy. He really wanted Eberflus so
and that's a negative.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
And who knows right that there was a very very
interesting article I believe around December about the influence of
agents on the on the coaching searches, where again, you know,
my particular soapbox might have come in and so. But
again we don't know who's who's ultimately making all these
it's it's the general manager shop to hire in these spots.

(52:55):
And I do believe based on this offseat, this has
been the best Ryan Pohl's offseason. That does warrant a
little more belief than previously.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Fifteen and thirty six overall since he took over as GM,
so not a lot of progress. Some good draft picks
were like Kyler, Gordon Gervin Dexter. He picked up Montes
Sweat and Jamaine Edmonds in free agency. This is a
team that's better on paper than they've really ever been
on the field. But they're pretty solid on paper. That
was actually picked twenty three. I'd led you astray, and

(53:26):
we are to twenty four. We have four more to go.
I'll go with Elliott Wolf here just because there's not
He had a disastrous draft other than Drake May, but
they did get Drake May. Pretty bad free agency period,
his first time around, The way that they handed the
offensive line, it was all bad. Also, I think he's

(53:49):
lost a significant amount of power. I don't truly believe
he is the GM in a way that really and
that would be true if anyone else on this list.
But he has the title. So does he have the title?
I don't even know anymore. The Patriots being Patriots, Like ultimately,
like I don't even believe that Elliott Wolf is running

(54:11):
this personnel department. But he is the guy who's doing
the interviews and on the podium afterwards right now, which
is messy. So that's part of my skepticism. But I
think it's I think it's Mike Rabel, and I think
it's Mike Rabel's guys that he brought in that actually
might have more juice than Elliott Wolf. But I don't know,
just because he hasn't done that much. I go Elliot
Wolf and he delivered me drake me, so that made

(54:32):
me happy, all right. Number twenty five.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
At a one point eight wava my tortured metric Dan
Morgan after one year. You know, it's really not enough
info to get into I do. I do see some
sort of a vision. I was surprised, but I've been
talked into the Ted McMillan pick where I really thought
they needed no defense. And yeah, I like him more

(54:56):
than the remaining choices Star going to take down.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Yeah, he's just a will see you can't really kill him.
His drafts so far don't look like amazing, but he
literally only had one the free agency period. Like, I
kind of liked what he did this year, but he's
just sort of a we almost shouldn't have ranked in
Morgan or maybe Elliott Wolf just because they weren't. They
haven't been around long enough. It's tough to evaluate. Mickey

(55:19):
Loomis has been around a long time, and this is
where I'm leaning into the last few years. I'm really
only just great him on the post on pinare Like,
he used to rank pretty high on my list, like
he would be in the top ten sometimes, you know,
top fifteen. They had some great drafts. Right now, he's
just aiming for the middle, hanging on to players I
believe too long, having a weird obsession that ended up

(55:42):
being unrequited with Derek Carr like and Dennis Allen just bad,
not who you want running your team. Because he was
around it long enough to make a handful of amazing
draft picks, and he won a Super Bowl title. That's
why he gets ahead of just the last couple guys
on this listtery, but I'd be fine wherever you put
him at the at the back end. At this point,
I think I don't know, he's not even he's just

(56:05):
a figurehead. I don't even know what's going on.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
And with our last two I do know where you
stand on this. I have seen one. You know, Andrew
Berry's shot.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
And we have Joe Shane and Andrew Berry are the
only two.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry sitting there with the owner
at the draft literally looming over their shoulder leads me
to take Andrew Berry here. Okay, and maybe it's more
of a Joe Shane thing, but I just think that
the Big Boss is making so many of the decisions
regarding everything that it's it's almost impossible to evaluate either

(56:45):
one of them, even when you consider that Stefanski won
the Coach of the Year somehow.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Now he traded away so many picks for Deshaun Watson,
and you know, the Watson trade alone would just have
me put him last, but second to last. It's close enough.
They have had draft picks and the last three drafts
I was looking it up. The best player from those
last three drafts are either is like Greg Newsom or

(57:12):
Martin Emerson. Like they haven't brought in talent via the draft,
so that's on him too. His first ever draft pick,
I'm big on the first draft pick, setting it down.
I don't know why I'm this in general, and his
first was Jedrick Wills, which to me is so typical
of them, which is like it looked pretty good at
first and then it just hasn't worked out in the
long run. And that's how I feel about about Barry

(57:34):
in general. But the difference between Barry and Shane was
Barry wasn't on hard knocks, giving the impression that just
like not a lot was going on. That made you
feel like he was an asset as a general manager.
I think that's fair. I think people in the league

(57:55):
watching that show agree with me, and I heard from
them like that, just like, really, there's this is what's
going on. That's that's my feel on Chin. He had
a pretty good draft though last year.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Yeah, it gave us, It gave us a level of insight,
and to the counter of Andrew Berry, the owner actually
wanted it seemed like wanted the player, and he was like, no,
this is my decision. And and that is why, considering
the results, I understand that the last draft gave us
something to be you know, gave something to be excited about.
But considering the extended amount of results.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Well, and the Daniel Jones contract is not as bad
as the Watson trade, but it's it's bad in a
really significant way. In a different way to self evaluate
that bad and hamstring your own organization after you've already
had him there with that coach is tough to survive,
but he has and he's got one more year here

(58:46):
to to make it look better. We got to the end.
It's kind of a bummer for these guys at the end,
but you know, something's got to come in last.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
And somebody and and they can put this up on
a metaphorical bulletin board maybe like on a Windows desktop,
right and and motivate them. They'll try extra hard now
because we've been critical.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Well or the opposite font No could see that someone
believes in him out there, and he wants to prove
us right because now it's us.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Well, well, we get the motivation goes both ways because
you don't believe, and it doesn't Your lack of belief
has more value.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
It doesn't matter. Ultimately, when we put out the graphic,
it's NFL Daily like we are a team Patrick And
while I came out, came at that pick pretty strong.
Now we've got to support we've got to support him.
I can't I can't be I can't be sniping to
the media behind the scenes power struggle I can't be
like an unnamed source to Jordan Rodrieg of The Athletic

(59:39):
that like a Patrick really blew it with this pick.
I had nothing to do with that pick. That that
was all Jimmy Haslim.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Yeah, you can write a book about it and get
some quotes from my dad and then have a NFL
dot com article promoting your book written by nobody.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
I hope, I hope we can recover as as as
a friendship podcast will be our it will be good.
That's it for our rankings of the gms. And yes,
if you notice we're kind of doing this weekly, we're
going to keep that up. We're going to get into
the positions next. I am really looking forward to that
and really looking forward to the rest of this week.
We will have Colleen Wolf and Jordan rod Rieg back

(01:00:17):
in the studio for our next show. For Patrick Claibon,
for Terry Fontano, for QUESSI we did kind I kind
of forgot QUESTI. I apologize. We're making amends when it
comes to Terry Fontino because football is back