August 30, 2025 • 54 mins
Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Jourdan Rodrigue and Patrick Claybon to tell you what is bring them joy as the 2025 NFL season kicks off. Find out why Travis Hunter (02:05), new stars emerging (08:00), dynamic kick returns (11:15), Cam Little (19:30), Joe Burrow vs. Lamar Jackson (23:15), Brian Daboll (31:10), rivalry games (39:10), the Lions (43:38), great defenses (47:30) and more are brining the crew joy.
Note: time codes approximate.
NFL Daily YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/nflpodcasts
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where I'm thrilled to have the
original crew back together.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'm Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Here in the Chris Westling podcast studio with Patrick Clayban
and Jordan rod Reege. And when I say the original crew,
the very first episode of NFL Daily was taped with
the three of us right here, and it had the
same topic we're going to do on today's show, the
reasons for joy in this upcoming season.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
And I love I love the callback.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
I love the feeling of deja vu in the topic
and being with you guys, and yeah, spoiler alert, this
is one of the things that I enjoy.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
Yeah, and I love that I'm not going to cry
this time. We've got a lot in front of thousands
and thousands and thousands of people.
Speaker 6 (00:51):
You're joyful about that.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I definitely don't plan to cry either.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I definitely that's what you think, not getting deja vu
in the sense that I feel like I'm in a
much different place than I was at that time. We
were just launching the show and it felt very jarring
and difficult, but it was a really enjoyable show, and
I thought a fun way to start this adventure on
(01:17):
NFL Daily which is, you know, we we appreciate the
game and we're we're focusing on like the stuff that
it gives us, and we didn't hit it in the
off season. I thought it'd be a perfect you know,
we're doing all these previews, all this stuff, a perfect
little thing right before the season starts. Of the reasons
why why we are excited about this twenty twenty five
(01:37):
season specifically, so it can be it can be bigger
picture stuff as well. But I'm looking at, like, what's
unique about this season?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
So no doubling up from last year? Patrick, I can't.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I can't bring anything back.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
You could, you could if you want.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
I couldn't. I tried, but I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
In the tape reviewer, right, I don't remember what I
said either. Yeah, I do know at some point it
got emotional.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I don't expect that. Why do I kick this off?
Because I'm just going to go for like a really
simple thing that I've talked about so much on this
show that I don't need to repeat it. But it's
just I'm just excited for Travis Hunter. Like me, He
is joy. He is the only like one player that
I picked for this But he is not only playing
(02:23):
on both sides of the ball, and I think is
getting not slept on. But I, for instance, have higher
expectations for like his fantasy potential than I think others
and just his potential in general, just because he had
a relatively try it quiet training camp. Everyone knows what
a unique athlete is, but I also think the joy
that he brings when that you put a microphone in
(02:43):
front of his face, and then the joy with which
he plays, which really struck me at Colorado, Like, people
know what great energy he has to like play one
hundred and twenty five whatever snaps it is a game
you can kind of see like literally on the field.
The joy that he plays with I'm looking to just
like draft off those fumes all season.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
And clearly he's a football nerd, right spending all this
time and enjoying the game. But I think what shines
for me is a lot of Travis Hunter's joy for
football is his joy for people and the people of
Jacksonville in the way that he interacts with his teammates
and stuff it it. His joy is our joy, and
so it's worth enjoy and I hope it works out
(03:24):
on both sides.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
There's an element of earnestness to him and pure joy
instead of the like brand joy or like manufacture, you
know what I mean. There's like an earnestness to him
and it's not cynical. And the NFL hasn't hurt him
yet and I hope it never does. But I'm just
saying it's like and that's what I got. So I
(03:47):
was so fired up when they made the move to
draft him, because, like, I know James Gladstone, and I
know that Jake Timmy and I know Liam Cohen, and
I know feeling what that feeling was, and how earnest
they were about bringing this really special human being into
their building and just like turning this sort of cynically
(04:09):
gravitating organization into a place of like earnest love of football.
And that's what he represents to me, starting that process
over there, and I just I'm so excited to see
what he does this season and beyond. And you know what,
I have no expectations. I just want him to go
out there and be himself and play his game and
learn and be one of the best players in the
(04:30):
NFL for the long haul. Doesn't necessarily have to do
it right away.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
And to be clear, we're not brand joy. You know
we're not fake, fake brand joy. We got the real
earnest game.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Unless a dish washing detergent company would like okay to
make an offer.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
You know, it also is joyful money, so you can
be rich, you can be intangibly rich.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Her give.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Since we started with Travis, I will do I will
go with a rookie wide receiver. Isaac Teslaw gets every
bit of my joy, especially on the heels of seeing
Lad mcconkeye be six feet tall and run of four
three forty and burn pass safeties and still get this
guy is crafty. He's just out there as a student
(05:19):
of the game with explosiveness. Isaac Tuslaw is six' four
ran a four to four to three almost a forty inch.
Vertical nobody will be able to deny his explosives when
he makes a.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Play and that's why it gives me the.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Joy it also Gives Brad holmes ANOTHER I told You,
so a moment where it's, LIKE i don't know you're
taking This Jamir gibbs character trading to the third round
for This teslaca and you, know so, far so, good
And I'm i'm excited to see.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
IT i have joy for the explosive rookie At.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
ARKANSAS i had joy watching some of the blocks that
he was throwing in the. PRESEASON i was sitting there
AND i was, like this is. It this guy's got.
It not just the explosive playability and the frame and
just the he just fits out there on the field
with that, offense with the style of offense they want to,
play but ALSO i, mean he's in there sticking his
face into the garbage and digging some stuff, out and
(06:10):
it's just REALLY i love watching.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
THAT i stood. UP i stood up out of my.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Seat what is two weeks, ago in the second preseason,
game he threw a block on a. PLAY i stood
up out of my. SEAT i was, like oh my,
god this is. It Brad, holmes take a.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Bow i've tried to, check you, know try to check my,
biases because, yeah WHEN i look at him in the,
PRESEASON i think of one man and one man. Only
AND i haven't said it on the show Because i'm
trying not to do That lad mcconge. Thing i'm comparing
him to the other white guy or you, know doing helmet.
Scouting but a completely freaky oversized athlete from The university Of.
(06:46):
ARKANSAS i Mean jones back in the, Day Matt jones
gave me the most joy.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Possible how fun was Freaking Matt.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Jones now he played quarterback In, arkansas but he turned
into a wide receiver and yeah he could be Where Matt,
jones you, know Jogged isaac to slock and.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Run. Yeah if not For Matt, jones what would we?
Speaker 6 (07:06):
Have just the raking, barriers a world to.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Promise, Wow i'm so glad you, was because.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
ALL i thought about Every Patrick, jones, like how is
everyone not talking about?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
This here's?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Why because no one in our control room even knows
Who Matt jones. Is but he was a first round
pick by The Jacksonville, jaguars who played quarterback in, college
who was converted to receiver just because he was so,
big strong and freaky. Athletic and, yeah they're don't quite work.
Out he had some drug. Issues but you, know there's.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
So Much Matt jones lore where you, wonder Like, patrick
do go in five minutes On Matt jones he Was
he leapt off the. Screen he was, incredible naming some
guys and in twenty twenty five he probably would have
got to stay at quarterback and play his.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Career maybe things would have would have come out.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Differently but, man if you want to get deep into
some random name and some guys, stuff go watch Some
Matt jones.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Highlights he was a, problem all.
Speaker 7 (07:59):
Right.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Okay one of my most joyful things that happened throughout
the course of last, season and really this happens every,
season is we get to see somebody that we were excited,
about be on the fence, about see even unaware, about break,
through and just have an entirely refreshing. SEASON i think
(08:22):
we Knew Jaden daniels was capable of being, good but
he was one of those players that you're just, like,
man this is better than we thought it was going to.
Be Brock, BAUERS i would put him in that role
as well if you happen to punish yourself watching Any
Las Vegas raiders tape last, year it just was so
cool to watch all of the different things he can.
DO i respect the off season asthetic decisions he has.
(08:44):
MADE i respect that for, him AND i think that this,
Year i'm hopeful for a few different guys THAT i
really want to see, breakout and this would bring me,
joy AND i expect these guys to bring me. Joy
Travon henderson running back for The, Patriots Josh simmons that
left tackle for The Kansas City, chiefs Who i've been high,
on And greg we were high on in our draft.
Process And Emica abuka as the chairperson of The EMICA
(09:06):
a Boot.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Club we're going To. Amica that's like how we say
my wife's.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
NAME i said A, mecca, RIGHT i don't.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Know it's a tough. Way is it A? Mecca?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
YEAH i have been Saying.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
America i'm going to need to get to get deep
with him and have this actual conversation because so many
times guys in their rookie year are completely fine with
us drop kicking their.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Names and they'll come, back you, know maybe two or
three years. Later or a.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Nice user on social media mentioned me that It's emica A,
mecca and SO i automatically slip AND i, Say, emica
your wife's, name and then NOW i think it's and
THEN i think it's A mecca a little bit more
emphasis on THE.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
E If i'm, wrong someone please reach.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
OUT i don't want me sidetracking this with the name
conversation to distract from what a perfect situation he's. In
two right off the. Bat i'm not saying it's a
good thing That Chris godwin is, hurt but they need
to uh to produce right away and that.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Often And jalen McMillan taking a little bit of time,
Too and and they Love Tess. Johnson they love this
the backflipping guy into the end. Zone by the, way
straight leg, backflip very hard to. Do never attempted it.
MYSELF i would probably break every bone in my. Body
BUT i love this fit For, agbuka AND i love
his collaboration With Baker. Mayfield Already Baker mayfield has been
(10:29):
really high on. HIM i absolutely love this For Josh,
simmons that he's on the field the entirety of training,
camp that he really looks like he could be the real.
Deal the thing that also kind of brings me joy is,
Like i'm about to become insufferable about this man if
he does turn into the player that we think he could.
Be the downside is That chiefs fans will also be
(10:50):
insufferable about. THIS i, mean but BUT i LOVE i
love all three of these. GUYS i Think Trevion henderson
is so. SPECIAL i was talking to a coach about
him WHEN i was at joint practice and just, star
potential captain, material somebody who is Just you're always a
play away from a big explosive from, him AND i
just think that it's he's just.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
SPECIAL i love. IT i think it's a really it
was a fun draft. Class think we're going to see
a lot of like instant. Impact we're seeing that, more
especially on offense. Lately i'm going to go more big
picture and talk about the kickoff.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Returns.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Hmm there was so much attention about the new kickoff last.
Year it was like all we were talking about In,
august and it made an impact on the, games but
maybe not as big of an impact as we expected
back In.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
August cut to this.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Year they change the rules in such a way THAT
i think the impact is going to be a year.
Delayed it's going to be so much bigger this, Year
but no one's talking about it because we already sort
of already had those sort of conversations and we don't
want to talk about. It and one of the THINGS
i love to track in the, Preseason Sean saye over
(12:02):
At Summer sports has been tracking the bouncing kickoffs that
different teams have been, trying like The Carolina, panthers but
others have tried as. WELL i really think it's going
to add a whole different dimension to the.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Game that number.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
ONE a ton more KICKOFFS i think are going to
be returned this, year BECAUSE i think it's really punitive
to have to take out the kickoff another five yards
further TO i, mean the thirty five is just that's
just outrageous to me to have to accept. That and
SO i think there's going to be more. Kickoffs BUT
i think there really is going to be a lot more,
creativity not only with how you do the kickoffs and
(12:35):
the bouncing, kickoffs WHICH i think will be fun and
makes a lot of sense to hit some of those line.
Drives it's tough to, execute but it could really create
some problems and you could get a big time. Advantage
BUT i think we're going to see more creativity on
the actual kickoff.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Returns so give me a little more special. Teams, yeah we're.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Back my hope is we moved to a day when
that becomes more of a live ball situation to return
the on side. Kick you include the on side kick
into this format to where if you bounce the ball
into the landing, area it's a live, ball free for.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
All everybody, goes, wait it's not a live.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Ball well if because they're not bouncing it right and,
right and so.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
It becomes, yeah they're clearing the landing area instead of
bouncing off the landing and so, like.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
YEAH i want to see more innovation in that to
maybe try to get some change of, possession get some speak.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
There BUT i tell, YOU i think IT'S i don't
know if it isn't that hard to be able to
line drive it in like they've been. DOING i, mean
obviously you got to practice a, lot and it's been
at some of these special teams practice.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
And kickers don't like. It kickers don't like doing.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
That it's it's an unnatural thing for them to have
to do and not something that they grew up. PRACTICING
a lot of guys will like change cleats. OUT i
noticed this last. Year guys will change cleats out in
practice if they're trying and practicing different, kicks and they
don't like doing that either because they're used to like
a plant shoe and a kicking. Shoe one of them
could be a soccer cleat as. Well here's my. Thing
special teams coaches are freaking.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Nuts we know.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
This they all are like slightly unhinged as. PERSONALITIES i
want to see this get. WEIRD i want to see
it get. Weirder it didn't get weird enough for me last.
Year it would bring me so much joy to see
this actually go in truly unhinged directions.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
As people just try to figure this.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Out and so far we've seen like it a little,
innovation like let's get a.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
WEIRDER i really think it's going to. Happen so this
is anticipatory. Joy But i've seen it a little bit
in the. PRESEASON i just don't think people have really
thought about how crazy it is to bring the ball
out to the thirty five yard, Line like it's really.
Far it used to be the. TWENTY i mean that's
(14:43):
fifteen yards of. Different so it also is going to affect.
Scoring i'll get to some numbers, Later like offenses are
more efficient than, ever but that's partly because they're just
set up to, succeed AND i just don't think you
can accept putting the ball on the thirty. Five it's
JUST i think kickoffs are going to. Explode it all,
Right Patrick, Gearupp.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Yeah i'll go up and include a rule and process
change in. Mindset we're coming off of the kickoffs WHERE
i am a one hundred percent in agreeance with you
that this will probably have more impact in the. Future
but the virtual, MEASUREMENT i think is eventually going to
actually change.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Football right, now the referee is still.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Spot this is a reason for. Joy that, reason there's a.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Reason for, Joy, greg BECAUSE i think we have made that.
Step this league is all about incremental. Change and, yes
the human being is still being, like it looks like
the ball's out, there and then The hawkeye system determines
where that spot is in relation to where the spot should,
BE i mean the first down in relation to where
the ball. Is BUT i think eventually we're going to
(15:43):
have the ball being spotted. AUTOMATICALLY i believe that there
is a hope for. THAT i think right now it's
a little fraudulent because we're putting this big show on
about where the ball is relation in The hawkeye system
and people are going to instantly think.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Tennis but that's not what. Happened that's what happening.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
People Meaning greg's automatically always thinking Ten like look at his.
Face isn't that a tennis face right?
Speaker 4 (16:05):
There, no Because greg knows How and you, know AS
i have fielded accusations of being a shield, robot people
can call call to this conversation here because, YEAH i.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
DON'T i don't think it's not a robot here because we're.
Not we're. Not we haven't changed.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Anything here's the problem it, does, Though, greg is it
lays the foundation to actually have an official say ball's
down right, now somebody else looks at the time code and, says, oh,
okay this is where the ball was and the ball.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Spotted like, That like the idea of getting to that.
Point there's going to be a lot of issues with
that of like how far the ball progresses the chip
and the. Ball that's another, conversation like that they finally
are putting cameras on every single coal line and, sideline
which Literally Bill belichick has been asking for in you,
(16:55):
know now he's out of the, league but he used
to bring this up as a rules proposal decades, ago and,
seriously like fifteen years, ago like how is it that
we don't have cameras on every? Goal and so all
that's positive because you need that for this virtual. Measurement
the execution of the virtual measurement system is a disaster right.
NOW i wonder if THE nfl is going to go
(17:16):
forward with, it because what happened in the preseason to
me was not good enough AND i only went to.
IT i went to some, games AND i only watched
so many, games and it was malfunctioning. Everywhere half the,
time they wouldn't even show it because something happened where
whatever's happening execution, wise it's taken too, long and it's
(17:36):
actually literally not even. Working like sometimes they'll just tell the, coaches, al, oh,
yeah it did, happen but we're not gonna show. It
SO i thought it was a pretty big foul ball
in the, preseason and if it's not any, Better i'm
worried it's not even gonna last like a week or.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
TWO i would just, say you have to start somewhere
to try to get this to be as accurate and.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Perfect i'm not talking about the. Accuracy i'm talking about
like that's What i'm. Like they couldn't get it to
work for some because the process still involves half of
the old.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Process if you want to actually make it to a
point where things work. Seamlessly you just need to fully
embrace utilizing the technology and come up with something different
than somebody standing there and holding the football while the
camera and they're in the way and they're doing all
this other.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Stuff let's just spot the ball.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Digitally, sorry you just hit upon like a. Rant i've
been meanings have watching these. Games there was like A
saints moment over the weekend where they took like four,
minutes then didn't announce it, anything didn't show the measurement
and just move forward because.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
There was there was a potential challenge in.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
That, Right there's all these little circumstances that they haven't
really thought through that happened at The, chargers a different
one Another saints, game and A charge Of saints game
went To so there's all these little particulars with the
challenges and, stuff and it's just like anything that slows
the game down is going to drive me.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
CRAZY i think what they need to do if they
really want to test this out and versus actually saying
let's go for it in real old games that count,
things you also need to, say, okay could we get
a couple of teams to hold their joint practices at
least one day in a, stadium and then we can
practice it in the joint practice setting and not just
in these this limited sample size of preseason games where
the entire world is. Watching you f up, Right, LIKE i,
(19:14):
think you just need more reps of the. PROCESS i
understand we're getting to the end the process. Itself you
need more reps of.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
IT i just have like a nightmare thinking, about like
it's some big moment Of Chiefs chargers In brazil and
we're all just waiting for like seven minutes for the
virtual measurement.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
System All, right you're, up bathroom.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Break, Okay i'm gonna stay on our special teams here
for a, second BECAUSE i had a moment of extreme
joy in the preseason that's carrying me just floating to
the regular. Season we had at, like let me, REITERATE
i feel like everybody forgot about this so. Quickly we
had a kicker hit a seventy yard field goal at
(19:54):
near sea level and in dense air. Cam little you
are a preseason highlight, reel and you a reason for
joy and a reason for a really great call which
we have.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Here we're not. Joking this kid can really drill the.
Ball holy, Smokes you.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Are you kidding?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Me, crazy.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
CRAZY nfl, record that would be AN nfl record.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
In the first. Half holy, smokes that's. Unbelievable seventy.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Yards that's pure.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Joy that was like one of my most joyful moments
of the. Preseason That's i'm floating into the regular season
on just like grinning from Your holy.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Smokes Like bucky brook it's a great.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Call, yeah shout out to the better half of The
move The sticks, Podcast Bucky. Brooks love to hear. It
Brandon aubrey had a sixty six. Yarder, yeah in the preseason.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Two it's.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Happening which goes to your starting at the thirty.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Five, yes it's like if you're playing one of these,
guys especially on all, right, girls we've got twelve, yards.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Rob well exactly like if you're taking out to the thirty,
five you pick like eight yards and your.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Goods these kickers are fearless now and for teams if
the team has nothing to, lose like some of these
teams will have nothing to lose at any point than
just trying.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
It this was like. Inhumidity it was like eighty percent,
humidity thick.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Air guys and the and the football sales seventy four yards.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
ROOM i do love that field goal kicking is one
very obvious example that the athletes and our players are just.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Better, yeah and of course they're.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Better we say that they're more, athletic like they're always,
better but they provide just like a very, statistical you,
know proof of it that the kicks keep getting farther
and they're like way more. Accurate everyone's mad if like
their kicker misses like seven kicks a. Year like you,
know but in the nineties you were lucky to have
like a seventy percent field goal, kicker and like that's
(21:55):
mostly like inside of Forty like we're so much better
at field goal.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Kicking people kicking barefoot down there for you, know a
short while there in the in the early days when
When greg was a, TEENAGER.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I Don't Tom dempsey didn't have like a complete, foot
and he was getting it done a Complete that's.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
WHY i like the long field goals even even more
so or a product of, joy because you get in
a situation where like where you're Watching Jake moody kick
one from forty two and you're, like, oh, man like
this this.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
May be this kid's last.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Opportunity but when somebody lines up a long field, goal
it's kind of house money and we can just enjoy
it and not feel bad about the. Results where Like
Cam little has got a job for a while, now,
yeah just because of that, moment because if he misses
one from from thirty, seven like everybody's not gonna be,
like oh, Man it's, like hey, Man camp's just got
too much of a leg, dog you, know like rocketed
(22:48):
that thing over the net from thirty.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
TWO a little kicker that could shout out To Tom.
Dempsey by the, WAY i wasn't trying to be harsh,
there he complete. Foot it sounded. Rude he did not
have toes on his, right so he had especially made
cleat they actually, outlawed and he held this record That
Cam little in theory broke two lane Grad by the,
(23:10):
Way tom dem let's bring it, back. Okay Joe burrow
And Lamar jackson are in the same. Division we know.
This they get to play twice a. YEAR i, MEAN
i think because you, know back in the, day Like
Peyton manning And Tom brady would play each other twice
a year when they weren't in the same. Division after
(23:30):
a very brief time together in the OLD, AFCs you
don't think about Like lamar And joe as maybe the
best rivalry or best division rivalry ever one of them
they're going to become.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
THAT i went through.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
It there really aren't that many examples of two quarterbacks
at this level in the same division at their. Peak
and the Two Ravens bengals games last, year and they've
had some very good ones over the years when the
two of the, guys two of the quarterbacks have, healthy
but it went to another level the two gameslast.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Year we're just absolutely.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Outrageous so knowing that those two games are, coming like
we have a very clear like best four quarterbacks in THE,
nfl and these two guys get to, play AND i started, thinking,
like what other examples are? There Dan Marino Jim kelly
is probably the number, one and then after, that Like
Breezing Matt ryan in our, ERA i would say is
(24:25):
probably the best division. Rivalry and they really did have
a lot of great, games and they were they were were,
rivals But Matt ryan's maybe not quite at, that you,
know level of A Joe Burrow eli And romo were.
Great they're not at that LEVEL i think, individually but
they had a lot of really great games against each.
Other Peyton manny And steve McNair had a brief but
(24:45):
really good, one but there really aren't that. Many so
just a, little just a little love for The Lamar
joe burrow d rivalry and they do face each other
even though they're both.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Quarterbacks, Patrick, yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
WELL i, WOULD i would push back at the.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Idea it's, like, oh, Well josie going to be extra,
good uh this? Time or maybe you can make the
case to our chases against The Baltimore ravens, Specifically but
it's it's it's a.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
JOY i clearly am on one side of.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
It but to be able to watch them and you
know the rings conversation will hound the both of them
until one of them does. It but it's, stupid it
Doesn't maybe it's absolutely. Vapid if these if these guys
are playing On, sunday everybody's.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
WATCH i just love.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
That it's like these two figures in our sport who
are at the extreme top of the, sport not just
the upper, middle but like all the way at the,
top and.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
They're bonded.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Involuntarily and connected by this sort of like demon that
shares them both AND i think that that's so there's
just like there's something so poetic about, that AND i
LOVE i love.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
It the Demon Patrick mahomes and The.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Chiefs, no the demon is that they they haven't. Won
that's the the in the in the, postseason and they
haven't gotten all the way and so that's that's like
this thing that's like you have to get through each,
other but you're also sort of bonded by this, darkness you,
Know and they're they're both.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Very unique men who kind of approach the quarterback position
and relating with the public. Differently, Yeah and to watch
them both become more comfortable at different aspects of it
as has really been a. Joy and it's, yes it's
hard to it's hard to look away quarterbacks with.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
Personality love, that love that for all of.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Us also love just points the two scores last year
forty one to thirty, eight that was the overtime game
that was wild and in thirty five to thirty, four
that's pretty.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Good stafford And farr was another one that came.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Up but like The lions didn't hold up their end
of the, bargain but they had a lot of good
matchups and they WERE i Mean stafford And.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Rodgers, YEAH i was gonna, say, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Stafford And Aaron. Rodgers they're both peaking essentially at the same.
Time came into the league near each.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Other one of.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
Them that was fun At lace the other, ONE i,
think see what that have?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Been burro out chined the. Moll all, right let's take
a quick. Break we will have more For joy after.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
This so many.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Reasons incomplete Foot.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Probably the last NAME i need to bring up on
The reasons For joy twenty twenty five again Is Tom.
Dempsey BUT i do feel LIKE i need to correct the.
Record not a Two lane, graduate but he hit that
field goal sixty three yards that held as the record for,
decades fifty years At Two Lane. Stadium, ah there we
(27:39):
go as a member of The, saints AND i just
wanted to correct the. Record that's really important that that
got into the show before the season.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Starts that's what you wanted to.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Correct, Yes, Okay, patrick you're, up all?
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Right rest in peace to a, Legend Tom. Demsey i'll
go the sports medicine. ROUTE i am thankful for opportunities
for guys Like Aiden hutchinson And Stefan, Diggs Dak, prescott
people who have had success in the, league but injuries
derailed their last, season including the Entire lions, Roster and
(28:10):
especially at a time where we got a lot of
pseudo science out, There we got a lot of people
drifting and selling wears and snake oils and all of these.
Things they're going to fix, people and, so, yeah the
industry itself could be seen is under. Attack AND i
know that there's a lot of people just in the
medical field that are working to help, people And i'm
they bring me joy to see them. Work and, yeah
(28:32):
some of THESE nfl players with opportunities to be Comeback
player of The, Year i'm joyful to see them in
a league where the injury rate's going to be one hundred.
Percent like everybody's going to deal with something and people
are going to put a tack on them and, like,
ah this guy, is it's.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Over it's a.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Wrap somebody's gonna win, it and somebody's gonna have a great,
season And i'm excited to see.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
IT i think about this a lot when it's it's
the people that we never really see who are working
first of all to help heal, others, Right but then
also when these players do end up getting back into
a position where they can rehab and how lonely and,
isolating and they're literally on the other side of a,
glass often from their teammates and watching everybody enjoy the
(29:13):
camaraderie of being on a. Team and then they but
they're in physical pain and they're working Through actually coming
back rehab is not. Easy it is physically very painful
to do because you're rebuilding certain, muscles, ligaments everything around
whatever part of your body you. Injured and SO i
think of the people, too who go in there every
day and talk this player out of his own, head
(29:35):
who say we need to get these exercises done. TODAY
i think of the people who are out there on
the field with, them putting them through these really at
times frustrating workouts where maybe your body.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
Can't do what you needed or want it to.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Do and how many of those people are all across
the league and they bring me. Joy we saw this
a couple of years ago when The Buffalo bill's staff
sprang into action to Save DeMar hamlin's, life and how
they just went back to work the next day totally.
Thankless they had probably AND i was one of these
people who requested them to do a story like they
had a million requests from all over the world to
(30:09):
come talk about what they, did and they just went
back to work and it's just. Incredible and that's really
what the league runs on right, there.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Just Like wednesday for, them you, Know, yeah that's what they.
Do that is it's well Put. Patrick so that Wasn't lion, specific,
Right you're talking about all the all the, no just.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Just everybody Like christian McCaffrey in that list as, well
where there's so much work that we don't, see Like
jordan mentioned that goes into it and and, yeah somebody's
gonna get a huge reward all of, that And i'm
Just i'm. Glad and and again a lot of people
are going to go through that process of getting hurt
and have to deal with, that and fortunately they have
(30:46):
entire staffs and people committed to medicine who were going
to help.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Them it's a little preview of you, know their sports,
mortality which you, know mortality talk is.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Hot on THE Nfl day Of, death there's.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
A lot of mortality, talk but they go through their
own you, know career death in a way THAT i
don't think we can really. Understand to have that short
of a career timeline and to be able to just
try to maximize it as much as you can while you're,
there and so they get a little preview of.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
That AND i want to talk about somebody WHO i
feel is pulling his own career, death like inch by
inch off of the cliff with this massive rope and
like digging his feet into the dirt to try to
get his career back on this ledge back on.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
Track Brian. DABLE i.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Can't oh, WOW i.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
KNOW. WHOA i Think i've been watching his press commerce
BECAUSE i told you guys a couple of weeks, Ago
i'm so suspicious we're going to see this man smile this.
YEAR i promise we're going to see this man smile
while speaking at the lectern About Jackson. Dart AND i
think he's seeing enough and seeing enough from the future
of this player that they've invested, in and maybe not you,
(31:56):
know the week one, future but the longer term or
even the middle term, future even the end season term
of this guy starting for The New York. Giants AND
i Think Brian dable is starting to wake up to
the fact and like have THIS i can actually it
sees so close the other day when they were talking
About Jackson dart's, Headset mike turning off and him throwing
(32:16):
like a sixty yard pass anyway of the off the, wristband.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
Like Brian dable almost.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
SMILED i haven't seen that man smile at the lectern
since he got the. Job and this is someone who
is like resurrecting his own trajectory piece by. Piece if
he can get this quarterback where he needs to, be
that brings me.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
JOY i think it would bring him. JOY i think
it'd bring The giants fans. Joy it just makes you, wonder,
like why delay the? Joy you, know let's get to the.
Joy Sorry, Russ, yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
But the joy is the whole thing right. Now like
The Greatest show On turf averaged thirty two points a.
Game the Five New York giants in the preseason of
average thirty. Five i'll just SAY i was putting it
out there BEFORE i had a Quarter did you See
Cutlet's cutless was out there dice them off last much their.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Buddies it's Like jamis And Jackson dart And Tommy cutletz
are all in these like videos that the social team
is putting out and they're all having the time of
their life down, there and they're playing in the preseason
together and like you, Know Russell wilson's like commenting on the.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Video you know he's not in, it but he's commenting.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
On he seems very very on the sidelines WITH i
do buy.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
Dead, yeah he really, Is and these are all you
know He's he's literally JUST i JUST i think it's
actually pretty good vibes over there right.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
Now that's what it, feels which.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Is such a huge change that that's a good call
and it's one of the. Stories i'm excited about, that
LIKE i did not expected to be excited. ABOUT i
might throw this other. One and by the, Way dable
will always be. Around you can't get it rid Of
dable if he, doesn't if he's not a head coach
again After New. York he's just a guy THAT i
can just imagine is going to have jobs offensive. Coordinator
(33:56):
we're not going to live Without Brian dable is All i'm.
SAYING i was not. Expecting MAYBE i should. Have it
seems obvious to you guys that SOMETHING i am anticipating
possibly giving me a little bit of.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Joys, Hey i'm kinda sorta back in on The. Pats
you know.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
What this, news so let's do that.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
At, least so at least get into. IT i was
thinking about week one AND i would have you, know
That's geno versus The. PATS i gotta watch that. Regardless
BUT i was, thinking you, know we assign out the
games and, whatnot like to watch in the early, Window.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Bud, news you're ON nfl. Daily Greg rosenthal once again
likes The patriots.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Kind of, yeah not as into like the.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Coaches for the, LISTENER i mean for the listener a,
little you. Know behind the scenes of the, show he
did at one point refer to The patriots using THE
w word.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
We SO i don't know if you even caught yourself doing.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
That you know that's it's worrisome and it's probably not
good for the, Listeners so try to be careful about.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
That come, on if it brings you, joy go for.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
It we'll see it brings. Joy you, know things bring.
Pain it all comes toget it's all sunshine. Together, PATRICK i,
Okay SO i know it.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Feels like a circuitous route to talk about the. Joy
So i'll start with the positive guys Like James, Harrison Johnny,
Unitis Kurt warner at one, point we're all cut and
looking back towards the end of the preseason and That.
Tuesday there are a whole bunch of guys in THE
nfl that feel like their dream has. Ended BUT i
think it's it's really there's so many examples that it's
(35:38):
just deferred and this system is not, perfect and sometimes
people fall through the cracks view. Via you, know GM's
having personal. Connections they want to keep their, job they
want a certain guy to be. Successful AND i think
one guy who is kind of emblematic of this process
Is ben De nucci who just got just got cut
(36:00):
for the seventh. Time he went to the social media
Website twitter dot com and he's in The atlanta. Airport
jordan has knows the exact, LOCATION i know the exact
look where he sent the tweet.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
From, Yeah i've sat at that.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Bar he pins out a tweet with a picture of
a beer that's, like there's there's not many beers better
than the.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
AIRPORT i just got cut from THE nfl for the seventh.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Time.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Beer trust, me you wouldn't. Understand obviously he's going through.
It it's a rough, situation but there's so many guys
that feel like they lost an. Opportunity they'll be back
in this league and they're going to be successful AND i,
can't and so it it feels, weird but it gives
me joy that.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
They have that.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Chance it is crazy to think about because EVERY nfl
player has some sort of example of overcoming someone that
didn't believe in.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
THEM i, mean that's like the one.
Speaker 6 (36:48):
Thing that beither real or not.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Right that's the one that Means.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Tom brady cry that he had to wait six rounds for,
it you, know before he got his name called or.
Whatever but The Ben denucci's of the world are the
ones who ARE i, mean they are the toughest ones
out there to just like keep putting that uniform, on
keep going back year after, year and sometimes you do
stick and sometimes you, know you're just searching for those
(37:13):
moments and it's. TOUGH i do like the system THE
nfl has now of expanding practice squads to the point
where it really Does it's not a minor. League they
could use a minor, league but if you compare it
to fifteen years, ago it's literally double the amount of
players and they do make a lot more money for
what it's worth on the practice squad than they like
(37:34):
fifteen years. Ago it's like it was like fifty seventy
thousand dollars a, year which, is you, know considering how
much THE nfl, makes was. Outrageous now it's like more
of an actual living and so a lot of players
are developing that. Way you see it a lot where
you're a practice squy god for like two years and
then you end up getting.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
Elevated, yeah those are always my favorite stories, too when
and it kind of goes back to my first, points
like who are we not expecting to? Emerge who could
just totally emerge and delight all of? Us that happens every,
year and a lot of that journey has traveled through
the practice squad or through players finding new. Teams last
year was like a quarterback renaissance of, sorts players finding
(38:11):
new teams the last couple of. Years your Guy gino
obviously a big success story in that regard to AND
i JUST i love those types of stories when somebody
becomes in the place they're supposed to be right like
it's the path wasn't necessarily, straightforward but they ended up
exactly where they're supposed to be exactly at the.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
Time they're supposed to be in.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
It AND i think what's really cool about MOST nfl
players and coaches is they're so reflective about, That like
they're so they can see that it's something, too like
really process and internalize in a really cool pure.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
Way be in the. Moment so here where your feet?
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Are you know who got to basically ignored cast aside
from his original team kind of like you're. Mentioning was
a linebacker by the name Of Zach bond who helped
revolutionize the, position turned into one of the best players
at the. Position and you know who the man that
ignored him and didn't know how to use him for
so long In New. Orleans his name Is Dennis. Allen
(39:12):
and this year we get A Dennis allen Versus saints rivalry.
Game and that's one of my reasons for joy is
actually some of the hatred games that are gonna go
on this, Year So allen versus The saints that gives me.
JOY i Think saints fans they don't want to go
one in, sixteen BUT i can bet if you could
(39:34):
pick one game for them to win this, year if
they were to go one in, sixteen they'd actually take
the season sweep against The falcons and they would Beat
Dennis Allen's bears defense like a drum and get a
win that. Day like that gives me joy to think about.
That so it's the different rivalries around THE. Nfl Jim,
Harbor Pete. Carroll but we got that. Back that's.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Spicy what's your.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
DEAL i don't know If Sean payton there's a rivalry
with Either Jim, CARROLL i, Mean Jim harbaugh Or Peek.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Carroll BUT i could see one. Developing, YEAH i could
see him. Building. Right they should they should have.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
One and then this one's a little more under the.
Radar But Dan campbell And Ben johnson And Ben johnson
And Matt lafleur, ooh that's good, too And Ben johnson
and everybody in The Shanahan. Tree mm and well you
give us a little more cut because so, Okay.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
So this is one of My i'm so glad you
brought this up BECAUSE i have so much joy thinking
about these types of like interpersonal, rivalries and specifically when
coaches have. Rivalries it is the most fun thing in
the world because you get like the subtle digs and
the comments and then not so subtle digs Like Ben
johnson going up with the podium talking about how much
fun it was to you, know beat the packers and
(40:46):
how he wants to continue to beat the packers and
all this stuff and sort of not so subtly taking
a shot At. Malafloor and then he had some comments
as well in his opening presser about how he doesn't
he made his way despite the fact that he doesn't
have a famous last name and wasn't on these coaching
staffs or forming these coaching staffs where he had a
famous family member like the, mcveighs like The Kyle shanahans
(41:08):
of the. World AND i think that is so. Spicy
and the fact that the student and the master will
face off against each Other Dan campbell And Ben johnson
at some.
Speaker 6 (41:18):
POINT i love.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
IT i love.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
It so let's listen to a little bit About Ben,
JOHNSON i mean From Dan, campbell and this one's it's
not you, know specifically About Ben, johnson But i've just
been tracking like the increasing amount Of Campbell johnson heat
under the.
Speaker 7 (41:34):
SURFACE i feel, like you, know, collectively across the, board
this is this looks pretty, good you, Know AND i would, say,
yeah year, five this is the. Best we felt about,
it kind of top to. Bottom but from where we've
come year after, year this is we've taken in another
level and that's a credit To. Brad you, know What
(41:55):
brad's done in the personnel department is.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Outstanding, man you were the best from top to. Bottom
now you know who's no longer in the top to,
Bottom Ben. JOHNSON i Admit i'm stretching into. You i'm
joking in terms of that quote saying, it BUT i
do think The lions feel great about where they. Are
and WHEN i Heard Mike turco And Chris collins were
(42:22):
talking about it on The hall Of fame game that
he could tell that The lions, coaches Specifically Dan, campbell
were sick of, everyone you, know just asking them About Ben.
JOHNSON i was, like, oh you know how these things
work like, That absolutely Was Dan campbell in the room
just talking With tarico And collins were like being a
(42:42):
little spicy About Ben. Johnson and that was the way
that they end up putting.
Speaker 5 (42:46):
It out, there and so his way out it makes
its way out into the. World and then you could
almost you could see two players when they're asked about,
it they sit and they think about it for like
a hot second before they, answer like they pause for
just a second or they make a face or, whatever
and they just sort of figure. Out it's like they're
very they're measuring their response because clearly someone's been in
(43:08):
their air and being, like hey.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Man having the protege in the same division is. FASCINATING i,
Mean kyle shanahana it.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
Is it's the New Kyle Sean because, guys they want
you to know they're cool, now, right but you know
that it's THIS i love.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
It Saban belichick was a fun, one not for very,
long but that was that was like a fun one
back in the. Day and while we're on the, lines
that's actually a combination of things that give me. Joy
so that the rivalries but also The lions just as
like an establishment, Team like just, imagine like what if
(43:43):
what if The browns were like the best run organization
in THE nfl over.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
The last four or five?
Speaker 6 (43:50):
Years comprehend?
Speaker 1 (43:51):
It what if The jets Were like what if The
jets were the best run organization in THE nfl over
the last four or five? Years like that's that's where
we are with The lions and we're so used to
just like adjusting to new. Realities but it's insane that
that these are The lions and now this is this
is sort of officially the year where they are just
that establishment team that's expected to be, Amazing like the
(44:13):
ascent has essentially stopped as a regular season win total,
basis you can't get ANY i, mean you can barely
get higher than they've.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Been BUT i love.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
THAT i love that they're like they've been so good
that they're the bullies on the block, now like just.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Five years removed from bringing the Freaking. Lions and that's
How Dan campbell.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
Feels and he's had to answer questions about somebody who's not, there,
yeah for several, months and you, KNOW i think to
explain away because we we you, know believe in all
sorts of things to explain things that break.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Trends you, know some of it.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Mystical maybe it's the location of, stars maybe it's magical, momentum,
Right AND i think for The, lions it's just. Real
oh there's this there's this offensive. Coordinator he's a. Genius
he's an absolute, genius and he's changed. Everything and this
has nothing to do with all the work that everybody
that's still still there has this is the, reason AND
i think maybe that rattles around In Dan campbell's, head AND,
(45:05):
i you, KNOW i don't believe The lions are going
to try extra. HARD i, think you, know just the
circumstances of luck and the way things shake out are
going to determine how good they. Are but, yeah they're
just gonna be a good. Team and that's that's the
world we live. In to your, Point, greg, like it's
it's not The, lions it's this, addition It's Dan Campbell's,
(45:25):
lions and it's fun to be here and live in.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
It and they're going to play against an offense that
looks a lot like their offense In chicago and vice.
Versa and how the two, defenses you, KNOW i don't
say to approach, IT i don't, know just. Schematically there
was that click clip from a Mon, Ross Saint brown
And jamie Or gibbs On Kay Adams, show where you
know they just they, said, well we see the same,
place you, Know like it's weird just seeing them running
(45:47):
the same place up In. Chicago they are running the same.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
Place BUT i feel like both of those guys you
mentioned sometimes pitching the ball to each Other, yeah that's
the most unique aspects of.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
That that's Not it's like it feels like a different,
play right if It's Romo. Dunza and you, KNOW.
Speaker 5 (46:05):
I just think that there's such a long term potential
in THE Nfc. North, now you, Know Matt lafleur got
there and established himself as a really you, know high,
productive winning. Coach then you have Like Dan campbell And
Brad holmes building this thing out into something super, special
something recognized as one OF i Think america's favorite teams right.
(46:29):
Now certainly for the last several, years watching them climb
up from from nothing essentially was was such a great
story and a feel good story for a lot of.
Reasons Then kevin O'Connell is, like in himself kind of
the emblematic of the modern, coach, right the quarterback whisper
who also builds a, culture goes out and Hires Brian
flores running like the most badass, defense one of the
(46:51):
most badass defenses in THE. Nfl and then now it's, Like,
okay The bears got to start swinging at throwing their
weight around a little. Bit they got to start swinging
up to theirs a little, bit because now you are
behind The bears as an. Organization you are behind what
all of these other groups have, built and so, yeah
you better be. CHIPPY i loved his chippy. COMMENTS i
(47:12):
love the fact that there's this tension brewing up there
because that is what will get The bears out of the, dust,
essentially because they are far behind these other.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Organizations so maybe the spiciest division.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
League IF i had to just pick one division WHERE
i want to watch all the games this, year might
BE Nfc. North all, Right i'm almost out of. There
is there any other reasons for? Joy you guys want
to throw?
Speaker 5 (47:35):
UP i just want to Say i'm gonna love watching
these specific defenses that these will bring me. Joy The,
vikings The, chargers The, ravens The, cardinals The, broncos The,
eagles and The. RAMS i think these are going to
be the most interesting defenses in THE. Nfl what's cool
is it's all for different. Reasons it's all slightly different,
Strategies it's definitely different. Schemes the way they think about
pressure is all, different one over another over. Another the
way they think about coverage and how they want to
(47:57):
shape coverage around the routes that are developing against.
Speaker 6 (48:00):
Them it all is so.
Speaker 5 (48:02):
Unique we're getting so many different fingerprints on, defense the
same way we have seen so many different fingerprints on.
Offense and there's this real individuality happening there from team to,
team even within the same coaching trees THAT i absolutely
Love Jesse mintor And mike. McDonald you're going to see
two totally different defenses by those guys this, year even
though they're from the same quote unquote. System, Right Zach
(48:24):
orr with The, Ravens you're going to see totally different
stuff than him And Jesse mintter are, running even though
they're from the same quote unquote.
Speaker 6 (48:30):
FAMILY i JUST i love.
Speaker 5 (48:32):
That and nobody can run What Brian flores is, running,
Right and SO i think that this is so the
individuality in what has been thought of as such a
monolithic side of the ball for so many. Years it's really,
cool AND i think it gives more coaches an opportunity
to show who they.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
ARE i want to see defense being. Back there is
this idea that defenses are getting some sort of advantage
and then like the numbers just don't support it in any,
way form or. Fact like literally last year was a
highest yards per carry in the history of THE. Nfl
part of it was the kickoff a couple of teams probably, right,
yeah but that's that's how these things. Happened like the
(49:09):
kickoff return was part of. It but in terms of
like scoring on a percentage of the drives that you,
had it was literally the highest in the history of THE.
Nfl so everything is weighted towards the. Offense and.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
This isn't my reason for, joy BUT i hope we get,
some you, know some big plays. There we'll bring it.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Back that is one of my reasons for.
Speaker 4 (49:29):
Joy he's not on A Brian flores defense, anymore But
cam buying them kind of being the celebrations coordinator for
That vikings. TEAM i don't know how many celebrations This
colts defense will be able to, do BUT i do,
think right because looking back at a league that tried
to ban celebrations and it made it a penalty into
(49:49):
how far that we've come to like where we could
Celebrate cam buying them having his team do the entire
dance and routine From White, Chicks, like that's that special
and So i'm. Excited it does bring me, joy AND i,
hope you, know maybe he'll have a chance to dance
an in and zone for The.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Colts, yeah LET'S i could see The colts being, feisty
a little lou and a. Reumaissance we got the, brands
we got The Brandon staley, sons we got a lot of.
Speaker 4 (50:13):
Songs staley, songs you can stop, up But i'm we're
riding without the.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Whole got some, players got some players up, front got
your various Ward could we could have some fun there The,
Colts they're going to need.
Speaker 5 (50:25):
It i've been listening to some of the press conference
coming out of there lately And i'm, like oh my,
god is anything.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
You're Happy stike and not giving me many reasons for
joy not looking too, joyful and, yes as we wrap up,
HERE i uh you, Know I'm i'm joyful to be
getting to do another spin around THIS nfl daily regular.
Season don't want to be too navel. Gayzy like we
end the regular, season we look back at what a
(50:54):
what a great, time you, know and accomplishment that. Was
we we did get to the before the summer, started
and you, know this is what being in THE nfl
is kind of like like you have these little mile
posts of the. Season but, MAN i feel better about
this show and love doing this show on another level
compared to when we were doing it to start. OUT
(51:16):
i love that, Too but there is something about to
use the quarterback analogy about like going through an entire
season of this new show where the game feels like
it's coming at us slower and it lets you just
enjoy it and freed.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Up and, Like i'm very.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
Excited like to be able to do this with you two,
specifically but everyone who joins our show regularly, like AND
i really think it's going to be. GOOD i think
this last month is the best month we've had ON
Nfl daily.
Speaker 6 (51:45):
TOO i Mean i've had a.
Speaker 5 (51:46):
BLAST i could tell you are feeling good and like
ready for season two because what brings me joy is
That greg has started to cite specific like segment themes
as a part of his natural flow of converse. Sation
so like you've USED i can fix him in your normal.
Conversation you've said stand on the tiny table a few.
(52:07):
Times obviously we know of the lore now that Is Quarterback.
ISLAND i always think the mark of a really good
show is when listeners and the show itself is let
in on the inside joke has the callbacks understands the,
lore AND i do think that that's what is cool
to be a part of building that brings me a
lot of, joy a.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Lot Of jordan this, year and well that's a big
part of.
Speaker 5 (52:28):
It WHEN i WHEN i heard you, say like on
a random show a few weeks, ago standing on the tiny,
table you meant to say stand on the.
Speaker 6 (52:37):
Table you said stand on.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
The tiny it on.
Speaker 6 (52:39):
PURPOSE i never felt so seen in my. Life it was.
Speaker 4 (52:45):
Great it's like it's Like sean McDermott saying buffalo to
a core a million times on the promo For Hard,
knocks and it's, like.
Speaker 3 (52:51):
Is it at its core or is it to a?
Speaker 4 (52:53):
Tee, well we've combined, Them we've we've crossed, idiots and
poor coach he's had to hear that a billion. Times
like people have heard my stuff way too. Much But
i'm looking for my second year in The Greg rosenthal. Offense, uh.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
You, KNOW I i recognize, that you know there's only one,
football BUT i just want to make plays for.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
My, oh you'll be there on the in the big,
shows the preview show and the recap. Show there's no
bigger every. Down he's a big game, player every down.
Guy who takes advantage of momentum which is, real and you,
know you know HOW i, KNOW i like LIKE i
made it the first show Of reasons For joy and
we're doing it again here BECAUSE i did want it
to be a like we take the job, seriously but
(53:39):
it's a. Sport like if you're not having fun doing,
it what what really is the? Point, usually and this
was a truism with With Chris wesley AND, i we
would always talk about, It august is the hardest month
because you're working the hardest and it's going in a
million different, directions but the games aren't, real you know
WHAT i, Mean like you're actually working as hard or
harder than the regular, sea but it's not as it's
(54:02):
not as fun ultimately as the regular season because the
games are, real AND i feel about as energized and
like LIKE i actually enjoyed this preseason as ANY i
can remember in a long. Time SO i feel LIKE
i GOT i got good wind and good. Energy because
you guys are keeping.
Speaker 3 (54:15):
Its shape of its podcast Live yes.
Speaker 6 (54:17):
Exactly can't wait to disappoint. You by week.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
THREE i was going to, say, like revisit this in
a couple of weeks that's. It great week.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
On the. Show we will be back in the feed
starting to preview actual Games Thursday Friday Night, football but
we'll also have a forties In Free agent's preview of
the season where we go through and draft our Potential
Super bowl.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
Champions it is that time of. Year football's back
Welcome to NFL Daily, where I'm thrilled to have the
original crew back together.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'm Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Here in the Chris Westling podcast studio with Patrick Clayban
and Jordan rod Reege. And when I say the original crew,
the very first episode of NFL Daily was taped with
the three of us right here, and it had the
same topic we're going to do on today's show, the
reasons for joy in this upcoming season.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
And I love I love the callback.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
I love the feeling of deja vu in the topic
and being with you guys, and yeah, spoiler alert, this
is one of the things that I enjoy.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
Yeah, and I love that I'm not going to cry
this time. We've got a lot in front of thousands
and thousands and thousands of people.
Speaker 6 (00:51):
You're joyful about that.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I definitely don't plan to cry either.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I definitely that's what you think, not getting deja vu
in the sense that I feel like I'm in a
much different place than I was at that time. We
were just launching the show and it felt very jarring
and difficult, but it was a really enjoyable show, and
I thought a fun way to start this adventure on
(01:17):
NFL Daily which is, you know, we we appreciate the
game and we're we're focusing on like the stuff that
it gives us, and we didn't hit it in the
off season. I thought it'd be a perfect you know,
we're doing all these previews, all this stuff, a perfect
little thing right before the season starts. Of the reasons
why why we are excited about this twenty twenty five
(01:37):
season specifically, so it can be it can be bigger
picture stuff as well. But I'm looking at, like, what's
unique about this season?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
So no doubling up from last year? Patrick, I can't.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I can't bring anything back.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
You could, you could if you want.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
I couldn't. I tried, but I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
In the tape reviewer, right, I don't remember what I
said either. Yeah, I do know at some point it
got emotional.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I don't expect that. Why do I kick this off?
Because I'm just going to go for like a really
simple thing that I've talked about so much on this
show that I don't need to repeat it. But it's
just I'm just excited for Travis Hunter. Like me, He
is joy. He is the only like one player that
I picked for this But he is not only playing
(02:23):
on both sides of the ball, and I think is
getting not slept on. But I, for instance, have higher
expectations for like his fantasy potential than I think others
and just his potential in general, just because he had
a relatively try it quiet training camp. Everyone knows what
a unique athlete is, but I also think the joy
that he brings when that you put a microphone in
(02:43):
front of his face, and then the joy with which
he plays, which really struck me at Colorado, Like, people
know what great energy he has to like play one
hundred and twenty five whatever snaps it is a game
you can kind of see like literally on the field.
The joy that he plays with I'm looking to just
like draft off those fumes all season.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
And clearly he's a football nerd, right spending all this
time and enjoying the game. But I think what shines
for me is a lot of Travis Hunter's joy for
football is his joy for people and the people of
Jacksonville in the way that he interacts with his teammates
and stuff it it. His joy is our joy, and
so it's worth enjoy and I hope it works out
(03:24):
on both sides.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
There's an element of earnestness to him and pure joy
instead of the like brand joy or like manufacture, you
know what I mean. There's like an earnestness to him
and it's not cynical. And the NFL hasn't hurt him
yet and I hope it never does. But I'm just
saying it's like and that's what I got. So I
(03:47):
was so fired up when they made the move to
draft him, because, like, I know James Gladstone, and I
know that Jake Timmy and I know Liam Cohen, and
I know feeling what that feeling was, and how earnest
they were about bringing this really special human being into
their building and just like turning this sort of cynically
(04:09):
gravitating organization into a place of like earnest love of football.
And that's what he represents to me, starting that process
over there, and I just I'm so excited to see
what he does this season and beyond. And you know what,
I have no expectations. I just want him to go
out there and be himself and play his game and
learn and be one of the best players in the
(04:30):
NFL for the long haul. Doesn't necessarily have to do
it right away.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
And to be clear, we're not brand joy. You know
we're not fake, fake brand joy. We got the real
earnest game.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Unless a dish washing detergent company would like okay to
make an offer.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
You know, it also is joyful money, so you can
be rich, you can be intangibly rich.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Her give.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Since we started with Travis, I will do I will
go with a rookie wide receiver. Isaac Teslaw gets every
bit of my joy, especially on the heels of seeing
Lad mcconkeye be six feet tall and run of four
three forty and burn pass safeties and still get this
guy is crafty. He's just out there as a student
(05:19):
of the game with explosiveness. Isaac Tuslaw is six' four
ran a four to four to three almost a forty inch.
Vertical nobody will be able to deny his explosives when
he makes a.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Play and that's why it gives me the.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Joy it also Gives Brad holmes ANOTHER I told You,
so a moment where it's, LIKE i don't know you're
taking This Jamir gibbs character trading to the third round
for This teslaca and you, know so, far so, good
And I'm i'm excited to see.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
IT i have joy for the explosive rookie At.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
ARKANSAS i had joy watching some of the blocks that
he was throwing in the. PRESEASON i was sitting there
AND i was, like this is. It this guy's got.
It not just the explosive playability and the frame and
just the he just fits out there on the field
with that, offense with the style of offense they want to,
play but ALSO i, mean he's in there sticking his
face into the garbage and digging some stuff, out and
(06:10):
it's just REALLY i love watching.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
THAT i stood. UP i stood up out of my.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Seat what is two weeks, ago in the second preseason,
game he threw a block on a. PLAY i stood
up out of my. SEAT i was, like oh my,
god this is. It Brad, holmes take a.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Bow i've tried to, check you, know try to check my,
biases because, yeah WHEN i look at him in the,
PRESEASON i think of one man and one man. Only
AND i haven't said it on the show Because i'm
trying not to do That lad mcconge. Thing i'm comparing
him to the other white guy or you, know doing helmet.
Scouting but a completely freaky oversized athlete from The university Of.
(06:46):
ARKANSAS i Mean jones back in the, Day Matt jones
gave me the most joy.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Possible how fun was Freaking Matt.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Jones now he played quarterback In, arkansas but he turned
into a wide receiver and yeah he could be Where Matt,
jones you, know Jogged isaac to slock and.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Run. Yeah if not For Matt, jones what would we?
Speaker 6 (07:06):
Have just the raking, barriers a world to.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Promise, Wow i'm so glad you, was because.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
ALL i thought about Every Patrick, jones, like how is
everyone not talking about?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
This here's?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Why because no one in our control room even knows
Who Matt jones. Is but he was a first round
pick by The Jacksonville, jaguars who played quarterback in, college
who was converted to receiver just because he was so,
big strong and freaky. Athletic and, yeah they're don't quite work.
Out he had some drug. Issues but you, know there's.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
So Much Matt jones lore where you, wonder Like, patrick
do go in five minutes On Matt jones he Was
he leapt off the. Screen he was, incredible naming some
guys and in twenty twenty five he probably would have
got to stay at quarterback and play his.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Career maybe things would have would have come out.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Differently but, man if you want to get deep into
some random name and some guys, stuff go watch Some
Matt jones.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Highlights he was a, problem all.
Speaker 7 (07:59):
Right.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Okay one of my most joyful things that happened throughout
the course of last, season and really this happens every,
season is we get to see somebody that we were excited,
about be on the fence, about see even unaware, about break,
through and just have an entirely refreshing. SEASON i think
(08:22):
we Knew Jaden daniels was capable of being, good but
he was one of those players that you're just, like,
man this is better than we thought it was going to.
Be Brock, BAUERS i would put him in that role
as well if you happen to punish yourself watching Any
Las Vegas raiders tape last, year it just was so
cool to watch all of the different things he can.
DO i respect the off season asthetic decisions he has.
(08:44):
MADE i respect that for, him AND i think that this,
Year i'm hopeful for a few different guys THAT i
really want to see, breakout and this would bring me,
joy AND i expect these guys to bring me. Joy
Travon henderson running back for The, Patriots Josh simmons that
left tackle for The Kansas City, chiefs Who i've been high,
on And greg we were high on in our draft.
Process And Emica abuka as the chairperson of The EMICA
(09:06):
a Boot.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Club we're going To. Amica that's like how we say
my wife's.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
NAME i said A, mecca, RIGHT i don't.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Know it's a tough. Way is it A? Mecca?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
YEAH i have been Saying.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
America i'm going to need to get to get deep
with him and have this actual conversation because so many
times guys in their rookie year are completely fine with
us drop kicking their.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Names and they'll come, back you, know maybe two or
three years. Later or a.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Nice user on social media mentioned me that It's emica A,
mecca and SO i automatically slip AND i, Say, emica
your wife's, name and then NOW i think it's and
THEN i think it's A mecca a little bit more
emphasis on THE.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
E If i'm, wrong someone please reach.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
OUT i don't want me sidetracking this with the name
conversation to distract from what a perfect situation he's. In
two right off the. Bat i'm not saying it's a
good thing That Chris godwin is, hurt but they need
to uh to produce right away and that.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Often And jalen McMillan taking a little bit of time,
Too and and they Love Tess. Johnson they love this
the backflipping guy into the end. Zone by the, way
straight leg, backflip very hard to. Do never attempted it.
MYSELF i would probably break every bone in my. Body
BUT i love this fit For, agbuka AND i love
his collaboration With Baker. Mayfield Already Baker mayfield has been
(10:29):
really high on. HIM i absolutely love this For Josh,
simmons that he's on the field the entirety of training,
camp that he really looks like he could be the real.
Deal the thing that also kind of brings me joy is,
Like i'm about to become insufferable about this man if
he does turn into the player that we think he could.
Be the downside is That chiefs fans will also be
(10:50):
insufferable about. THIS i, mean but BUT i LOVE i
love all three of these. GUYS i Think Trevion henderson
is so. SPECIAL i was talking to a coach about
him WHEN i was at joint practice and just, star
potential captain, material somebody who is Just you're always a
play away from a big explosive from, him AND i
just think that it's he's just.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
SPECIAL i love. IT i think it's a really it
was a fun draft. Class think we're going to see
a lot of like instant. Impact we're seeing that, more
especially on offense. Lately i'm going to go more big
picture and talk about the kickoff.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Returns.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Hmm there was so much attention about the new kickoff last.
Year it was like all we were talking about In,
august and it made an impact on the, games but
maybe not as big of an impact as we expected
back In.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
August cut to this.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Year they change the rules in such a way THAT
i think the impact is going to be a year.
Delayed it's going to be so much bigger this, Year
but no one's talking about it because we already sort
of already had those sort of conversations and we don't
want to talk about. It and one of the THINGS
i love to track in the, Preseason Sean saye over
(12:02):
At Summer sports has been tracking the bouncing kickoffs that
different teams have been, trying like The Carolina, panthers but
others have tried as. WELL i really think it's going
to add a whole different dimension to the.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Game that number.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
ONE a ton more KICKOFFS i think are going to
be returned this, year BECAUSE i think it's really punitive
to have to take out the kickoff another five yards
further TO i, mean the thirty five is just that's
just outrageous to me to have to accept. That and
SO i think there's going to be more. Kickoffs BUT
i think there really is going to be a lot more,
creativity not only with how you do the kickoffs and
(12:35):
the bouncing, kickoffs WHICH i think will be fun and
makes a lot of sense to hit some of those line.
Drives it's tough to, execute but it could really create
some problems and you could get a big time. Advantage
BUT i think we're going to see more creativity on
the actual kickoff.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Returns so give me a little more special. Teams, yeah we're.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Back my hope is we moved to a day when
that becomes more of a live ball situation to return
the on side. Kick you include the on side kick
into this format to where if you bounce the ball
into the landing, area it's a live, ball free for.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
All everybody, goes, wait it's not a live.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Ball well if because they're not bouncing it right and,
right and so.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
It becomes, yeah they're clearing the landing area instead of
bouncing off the landing and so, like.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
YEAH i want to see more innovation in that to
maybe try to get some change of, possession get some speak.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
There BUT i tell, YOU i think IT'S i don't
know if it isn't that hard to be able to
line drive it in like they've been. DOING i, mean
obviously you got to practice a, lot and it's been
at some of these special teams practice.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
And kickers don't like. It kickers don't like doing.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
That it's it's an unnatural thing for them to have
to do and not something that they grew up. PRACTICING
a lot of guys will like change cleats. OUT i
noticed this last. Year guys will change cleats out in
practice if they're trying and practicing different, kicks and they
don't like doing that either because they're used to like
a plant shoe and a kicking. Shoe one of them
could be a soccer cleat as. Well here's my. Thing
special teams coaches are freaking.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Nuts we know.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
This they all are like slightly unhinged as. PERSONALITIES i
want to see this get. WEIRD i want to see
it get. Weirder it didn't get weird enough for me last.
Year it would bring me so much joy to see
this actually go in truly unhinged directions.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
As people just try to figure this.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Out and so far we've seen like it a little,
innovation like let's get a.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
WEIRDER i really think it's going to. Happen so this
is anticipatory. Joy But i've seen it a little bit
in the. PRESEASON i just don't think people have really
thought about how crazy it is to bring the ball
out to the thirty five yard, Line like it's really.
Far it used to be the. TWENTY i mean that's
(14:43):
fifteen yards of. Different so it also is going to affect.
Scoring i'll get to some numbers, Later like offenses are
more efficient than, ever but that's partly because they're just
set up to, succeed AND i just don't think you
can accept putting the ball on the thirty. Five it's
JUST i think kickoffs are going to. Explode it all,
Right Patrick, Gearupp.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Yeah i'll go up and include a rule and process
change in. Mindset we're coming off of the kickoffs WHERE
i am a one hundred percent in agreeance with you
that this will probably have more impact in the. Future
but the virtual, MEASUREMENT i think is eventually going to
actually change.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Football right, now the referee is still.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Spot this is a reason for. Joy that, reason there's a.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Reason for, Joy, greg BECAUSE i think we have made that.
Step this league is all about incremental. Change and, yes
the human being is still being, like it looks like
the ball's out, there and then The hawkeye system determines
where that spot is in relation to where the spot should,
BE i mean the first down in relation to where
the ball. Is BUT i think eventually we're going to
(15:43):
have the ball being spotted. AUTOMATICALLY i believe that there
is a hope for. THAT i think right now it's
a little fraudulent because we're putting this big show on
about where the ball is relation in The hawkeye system
and people are going to instantly think.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Tennis but that's not what. Happened that's what happening.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
People Meaning greg's automatically always thinking Ten like look at his.
Face isn't that a tennis face right?
Speaker 4 (16:05):
There, no Because greg knows How and you, know AS
i have fielded accusations of being a shield, robot people
can call call to this conversation here because, YEAH i.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
DON'T i don't think it's not a robot here because we're.
Not we're. Not we haven't changed.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Anything here's the problem it, does, Though, greg is it
lays the foundation to actually have an official say ball's
down right, now somebody else looks at the time code and, says, oh,
okay this is where the ball was and the ball.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Spotted like, That like the idea of getting to that.
Point there's going to be a lot of issues with
that of like how far the ball progresses the chip
and the. Ball that's another, conversation like that they finally
are putting cameras on every single coal line and, sideline
which Literally Bill belichick has been asking for in you,
(16:55):
know now he's out of the, league but he used
to bring this up as a rules proposal decades, ago and,
seriously like fifteen years, ago like how is it that
we don't have cameras on every? Goal and so all
that's positive because you need that for this virtual. Measurement
the execution of the virtual measurement system is a disaster right.
NOW i wonder if THE nfl is going to go
(17:16):
forward with, it because what happened in the preseason to
me was not good enough AND i only went to.
IT i went to some, games AND i only watched
so many, games and it was malfunctioning. Everywhere half the,
time they wouldn't even show it because something happened where
whatever's happening execution, wise it's taken too, long and it's
(17:36):
actually literally not even. Working like sometimes they'll just tell the, coaches, al, oh,
yeah it did, happen but we're not gonna show. It
SO i thought it was a pretty big foul ball
in the, preseason and if it's not any, Better i'm
worried it's not even gonna last like a week or.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
TWO i would just, say you have to start somewhere
to try to get this to be as accurate and.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Perfect i'm not talking about the. Accuracy i'm talking about
like that's What i'm. Like they couldn't get it to
work for some because the process still involves half of
the old.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Process if you want to actually make it to a
point where things work. Seamlessly you just need to fully
embrace utilizing the technology and come up with something different
than somebody standing there and holding the football while the
camera and they're in the way and they're doing all
this other.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Stuff let's just spot the ball.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Digitally, sorry you just hit upon like a. Rant i've
been meanings have watching these. Games there was like A
saints moment over the weekend where they took like four,
minutes then didn't announce it, anything didn't show the measurement
and just move forward because.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
There was there was a potential challenge in.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
That, Right there's all these little circumstances that they haven't
really thought through that happened at The, chargers a different
one Another saints, game and A charge Of saints game
went To so there's all these little particulars with the
challenges and, stuff and it's just like anything that slows
the game down is going to drive me.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
CRAZY i think what they need to do if they
really want to test this out and versus actually saying
let's go for it in real old games that count,
things you also need to, say, okay could we get
a couple of teams to hold their joint practices at
least one day in a, stadium and then we can
practice it in the joint practice setting and not just
in these this limited sample size of preseason games where
the entire world is. Watching you f up, Right, LIKE i,
(19:14):
think you just need more reps of the. PROCESS i
understand we're getting to the end the process. Itself you
need more reps of.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
IT i just have like a nightmare thinking, about like
it's some big moment Of Chiefs chargers In brazil and
we're all just waiting for like seven minutes for the
virtual measurement.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
System All, right you're, up bathroom.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Break, Okay i'm gonna stay on our special teams here
for a, second BECAUSE i had a moment of extreme
joy in the preseason that's carrying me just floating to
the regular. Season we had at, like let me, REITERATE
i feel like everybody forgot about this so. Quickly we
had a kicker hit a seventy yard field goal at
(19:54):
near sea level and in dense air. Cam little you
are a preseason highlight, reel and you a reason for
joy and a reason for a really great call which
we have.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Here we're not. Joking this kid can really drill the.
Ball holy, Smokes you.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Are you kidding?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Me, crazy.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
CRAZY nfl, record that would be AN nfl record.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
In the first. Half holy, smokes that's. Unbelievable seventy.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Yards that's pure.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Joy that was like one of my most joyful moments
of the. Preseason That's i'm floating into the regular season
on just like grinning from Your holy.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Smokes Like bucky brook it's a great.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Call, yeah shout out to the better half of The
move The sticks, Podcast Bucky. Brooks love to hear. It
Brandon aubrey had a sixty six. Yarder, yeah in the preseason.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Two it's.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Happening which goes to your starting at the thirty.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Five, yes it's like if you're playing one of these,
guys especially on all, right, girls we've got twelve, yards.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Rob well exactly like if you're taking out to the thirty,
five you pick like eight yards and your.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Goods these kickers are fearless now and for teams if
the team has nothing to, lose like some of these
teams will have nothing to lose at any point than
just trying.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
It this was like. Inhumidity it was like eighty percent,
humidity thick.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Air guys and the and the football sales seventy four yards.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
ROOM i do love that field goal kicking is one
very obvious example that the athletes and our players are just.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Better, yeah and of course they're.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Better we say that they're more, athletic like they're always,
better but they provide just like a very, statistical you,
know proof of it that the kicks keep getting farther
and they're like way more. Accurate everyone's mad if like
their kicker misses like seven kicks a. Year like you,
know but in the nineties you were lucky to have
like a seventy percent field goal, kicker and like that's
(21:55):
mostly like inside of Forty like we're so much better
at field goal.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Kicking people kicking barefoot down there for you, know a
short while there in the in the early days when
When greg was a, TEENAGER.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I Don't Tom dempsey didn't have like a complete, foot
and he was getting it done a Complete that's.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
WHY i like the long field goals even even more
so or a product of, joy because you get in
a situation where like where you're Watching Jake moody kick
one from forty two and you're, like, oh, man like
this this.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
May be this kid's last.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Opportunity but when somebody lines up a long field, goal
it's kind of house money and we can just enjoy
it and not feel bad about the. Results where Like
Cam little has got a job for a while, now,
yeah just because of that, moment because if he misses
one from from thirty, seven like everybody's not gonna be,
like oh, Man it's, like hey, Man camp's just got
too much of a leg, dog you, know like rocketed
(22:48):
that thing over the net from thirty.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
TWO a little kicker that could shout out To Tom.
Dempsey by the, WAY i wasn't trying to be harsh,
there he complete. Foot it sounded. Rude he did not
have toes on his, right so he had especially made
cleat they actually, outlawed and he held this record That
Cam little in theory broke two lane Grad by the,
(23:10):
Way tom dem let's bring it, back. Okay Joe burrow
And Lamar jackson are in the same. Division we know.
This they get to play twice a. YEAR i, MEAN
i think because you, know back in the, day Like
Peyton manning And Tom brady would play each other twice
a year when they weren't in the same. Division after
(23:30):
a very brief time together in the OLD, AFCs you
don't think about Like lamar And joe as maybe the
best rivalry or best division rivalry ever one of them
they're going to become.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
THAT i went through.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
It there really aren't that many examples of two quarterbacks
at this level in the same division at their. Peak
and the Two Ravens bengals games last, year and they've
had some very good ones over the years when the
two of the, guys two of the quarterbacks have, healthy
but it went to another level the two gameslast.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Year we're just absolutely.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Outrageous so knowing that those two games are, coming like
we have a very clear like best four quarterbacks in THE,
nfl and these two guys get to, play AND i started, thinking,
like what other examples are? There Dan Marino Jim kelly
is probably the number, one and then after, that Like
Breezing Matt ryan in our, ERA i would say is
(24:25):
probably the best division. Rivalry and they really did have
a lot of great, games and they were they were were,
rivals But Matt ryan's maybe not quite at, that you,
know level of A Joe Burrow eli And romo were.
Great they're not at that LEVEL i think, individually but
they had a lot of really great games against each.
Other Peyton manny And steve McNair had a brief but
(24:45):
really good, one but there really aren't that. Many so
just a, little just a little love for The Lamar
joe burrow d rivalry and they do face each other
even though they're both.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Quarterbacks, Patrick, yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
WELL i, WOULD i would push back at the.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Idea it's, like, oh, Well josie going to be extra,
good uh this? Time or maybe you can make the
case to our chases against The Baltimore ravens, Specifically but
it's it's it's a.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
JOY i clearly am on one side of.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
It but to be able to watch them and you
know the rings conversation will hound the both of them
until one of them does. It but it's, stupid it
Doesn't maybe it's absolutely. Vapid if these if these guys
are playing On, sunday everybody's.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
WATCH i just love.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
That it's like these two figures in our sport who
are at the extreme top of the, sport not just
the upper, middle but like all the way at the,
top and.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
They're bonded.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Involuntarily and connected by this sort of like demon that
shares them both AND i think that that's so there's
just like there's something so poetic about, that AND i
LOVE i love.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
It the Demon Patrick mahomes and The.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Chiefs, no the demon is that they they haven't. Won
that's the the in the in the, postseason and they
haven't gotten all the way and so that's that's like
this thing that's like you have to get through each,
other but you're also sort of bonded by this, darkness you,
Know and they're they're both.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Very unique men who kind of approach the quarterback position
and relating with the public. Differently, Yeah and to watch
them both become more comfortable at different aspects of it
as has really been a. Joy and it's, yes it's
hard to it's hard to look away quarterbacks with.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
Personality love, that love that for all of.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Us also love just points the two scores last year
forty one to thirty, eight that was the overtime game
that was wild and in thirty five to thirty, four
that's pretty.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Good stafford And farr was another one that came.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Up but like The lions didn't hold up their end
of the, bargain but they had a lot of good
matchups and they WERE i Mean stafford And.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Rodgers, YEAH i was gonna, say, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Stafford And Aaron. Rodgers they're both peaking essentially at the same.
Time came into the league near each.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Other one of.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
Them that was fun At lace the other, ONE i,
think see what that have?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Been burro out chined the. Moll all, right let's take
a quick. Break we will have more For joy after.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
This so many.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Reasons incomplete Foot.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Probably the last NAME i need to bring up on
The reasons For joy twenty twenty five again Is Tom.
Dempsey BUT i do feel LIKE i need to correct the.
Record not a Two lane, graduate but he hit that
field goal sixty three yards that held as the record for,
decades fifty years At Two Lane. Stadium, ah there we
(27:39):
go as a member of The, saints AND i just
wanted to correct the. Record that's really important that that
got into the show before the season.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Starts that's what you wanted to.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Correct, Yes, Okay, patrick you're, up all?
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Right rest in peace to a, Legend Tom. Demsey i'll
go the sports medicine. ROUTE i am thankful for opportunities
for guys Like Aiden hutchinson And Stefan, Diggs Dak, prescott
people who have had success in the, league but injuries
derailed their last, season including the Entire lions, Roster and
(28:10):
especially at a time where we got a lot of
pseudo science out, There we got a lot of people
drifting and selling wears and snake oils and all of these.
Things they're going to fix, people and, so, yeah the
industry itself could be seen is under. Attack AND i
know that there's a lot of people just in the
medical field that are working to help, people And i'm
they bring me joy to see them. Work and, yeah
(28:32):
some of THESE nfl players with opportunities to be Comeback
player of The, Year i'm joyful to see them in
a league where the injury rate's going to be one hundred.
Percent like everybody's going to deal with something and people
are going to put a tack on them and, like,
ah this guy, is it's.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Over it's a.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Wrap somebody's gonna win, it and somebody's gonna have a great,
season And i'm excited to see.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
IT i think about this a lot when it's it's
the people that we never really see who are working
first of all to help heal, others, Right but then
also when these players do end up getting back into
a position where they can rehab and how lonely and,
isolating and they're literally on the other side of a,
glass often from their teammates and watching everybody enjoy the
(29:13):
camaraderie of being on a. Team and then they but
they're in physical pain and they're working Through actually coming
back rehab is not. Easy it is physically very painful
to do because you're rebuilding certain, muscles, ligaments everything around
whatever part of your body you. Injured and SO i
think of the people, too who go in there every
day and talk this player out of his own, head
(29:35):
who say we need to get these exercises done. TODAY
i think of the people who are out there on
the field with, them putting them through these really at
times frustrating workouts where maybe your body.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
Can't do what you needed or want it to.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Do and how many of those people are all across
the league and they bring me. Joy we saw this
a couple of years ago when The Buffalo bill's staff
sprang into action to Save DeMar hamlin's, life and how
they just went back to work the next day totally.
Thankless they had probably AND i was one of these
people who requested them to do a story like they
had a million requests from all over the world to
(30:09):
come talk about what they, did and they just went
back to work and it's just. Incredible and that's really
what the league runs on right, there.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Just Like wednesday for, them you, Know, yeah that's what they.
Do that is it's well Put. Patrick so that Wasn't lion, specific,
Right you're talking about all the all the, no just.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Just everybody Like christian McCaffrey in that list as, well
where there's so much work that we don't, see Like
jordan mentioned that goes into it and and, yeah somebody's
gonna get a huge reward all of, that And i'm
Just i'm. Glad and and again a lot of people
are going to go through that process of getting hurt
and have to deal with, that and fortunately they have
(30:46):
entire staffs and people committed to medicine who were going
to help.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Them it's a little preview of you, know their sports,
mortality which you, know mortality talk is.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Hot on THE Nfl day Of, death there's.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
A lot of mortality, talk but they go through their
own you, know career death in a way THAT i
don't think we can really. Understand to have that short
of a career timeline and to be able to just
try to maximize it as much as you can while you're,
there and so they get a little preview of.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
That AND i want to talk about somebody WHO i
feel is pulling his own career, death like inch by
inch off of the cliff with this massive rope and
like digging his feet into the dirt to try to
get his career back on this ledge back on.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
Track Brian. DABLE i.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Can't oh, WOW i.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
KNOW. WHOA i Think i've been watching his press commerce
BECAUSE i told you guys a couple of weeks, Ago
i'm so suspicious we're going to see this man smile this.
YEAR i promise we're going to see this man smile
while speaking at the lectern About Jackson. Dart AND i
think he's seeing enough and seeing enough from the future
of this player that they've invested, in and maybe not you,
(31:56):
know the week one, future but the longer term or
even the middle term, future even the end season term
of this guy starting for The New York. Giants AND
i Think Brian dable is starting to wake up to
the fact and like have THIS i can actually it
sees so close the other day when they were talking
About Jackson dart's, Headset mike turning off and him throwing
(32:16):
like a sixty yard pass anyway of the off the, wristband.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
Like Brian dable almost.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
SMILED i haven't seen that man smile at the lectern
since he got the. Job and this is someone who
is like resurrecting his own trajectory piece by. Piece if
he can get this quarterback where he needs to, be
that brings me.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
JOY i think it would bring him. JOY i think
it'd bring The giants fans. Joy it just makes you, wonder,
like why delay the? Joy you, know let's get to the.
Joy Sorry, Russ, yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
But the joy is the whole thing right. Now like
The Greatest show On turf averaged thirty two points a.
Game the Five New York giants in the preseason of
average thirty. Five i'll just SAY i was putting it
out there BEFORE i had a Quarter did you See
Cutlet's cutless was out there dice them off last much their.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Buddies it's Like jamis And Jackson dart And Tommy cutletz
are all in these like videos that the social team
is putting out and they're all having the time of
their life down, there and they're playing in the preseason
together and like you, Know Russell wilson's like commenting on the.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Video you know he's not in, it but he's commenting.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
On he seems very very on the sidelines WITH i
do buy.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
Dead, yeah he really, Is and these are all you
know He's he's literally JUST i JUST i think it's
actually pretty good vibes over there right.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
Now that's what it, feels which.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Is such a huge change that that's a good call
and it's one of the. Stories i'm excited about, that
LIKE i did not expected to be excited. ABOUT i
might throw this other. One and by the, Way dable
will always be. Around you can't get it rid Of
dable if he, doesn't if he's not a head coach
again After New. York he's just a guy THAT i
can just imagine is going to have jobs offensive. Coordinator
(33:56):
we're not going to live Without Brian dable is All i'm.
SAYING i was not. Expecting MAYBE i should. Have it
seems obvious to you guys that SOMETHING i am anticipating
possibly giving me a little bit of.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Joys, Hey i'm kinda sorta back in on The. Pats
you know.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
What this, news so let's do that.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
At, least so at least get into. IT i was
thinking about week one AND i would have you, know
That's geno versus The. PATS i gotta watch that. Regardless
BUT i was, thinking you, know we assign out the
games and, whatnot like to watch in the early, Window.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Bud, news you're ON nfl. Daily Greg rosenthal once again
likes The patriots.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Kind of, yeah not as into like the.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Coaches for the, LISTENER i mean for the listener a,
little you. Know behind the scenes of the, show he
did at one point refer to The patriots using THE
w word.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
We SO i don't know if you even caught yourself doing.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
That you know that's it's worrisome and it's probably not
good for the, Listeners so try to be careful about.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
That come, on if it brings you, joy go for.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
It we'll see it brings. Joy you, know things bring.
Pain it all comes toget it's all sunshine. Together, PATRICK i,
Okay SO i know it.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Feels like a circuitous route to talk about the. Joy
So i'll start with the positive guys Like James, Harrison Johnny,
Unitis Kurt warner at one, point we're all cut and
looking back towards the end of the preseason and That.
Tuesday there are a whole bunch of guys in THE
nfl that feel like their dream has. Ended BUT i
think it's it's really there's so many examples that it's
(35:38):
just deferred and this system is not, perfect and sometimes
people fall through the cracks view. Via you, know GM's
having personal. Connections they want to keep their, job they
want a certain guy to be. Successful AND i think
one guy who is kind of emblematic of this process
Is ben De nucci who just got just got cut
(36:00):
for the seventh. Time he went to the social media
Website twitter dot com and he's in The atlanta. Airport
jordan has knows the exact, LOCATION i know the exact
look where he sent the tweet.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
From, Yeah i've sat at that.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Bar he pins out a tweet with a picture of
a beer that's, like there's there's not many beers better
than the.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
AIRPORT i just got cut from THE nfl for the seventh.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Time.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Beer trust, me you wouldn't. Understand obviously he's going through.
It it's a rough, situation but there's so many guys
that feel like they lost an. Opportunity they'll be back
in this league and they're going to be successful AND i,
can't and so it it feels, weird but it gives
me joy that.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
They have that.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Chance it is crazy to think about because EVERY nfl
player has some sort of example of overcoming someone that
didn't believe in.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
THEM i, mean that's like the one.
Speaker 6 (36:48):
Thing that beither real or not.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Right that's the one that Means.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Tom brady cry that he had to wait six rounds for,
it you, know before he got his name called or.
Whatever but The Ben denucci's of the world are the
ones who ARE i, mean they are the toughest ones
out there to just like keep putting that uniform, on
keep going back year after, year and sometimes you do
stick and sometimes you, know you're just searching for those
(37:13):
moments and it's. TOUGH i do like the system THE
nfl has now of expanding practice squads to the point
where it really Does it's not a minor. League they
could use a minor, league but if you compare it
to fifteen years, ago it's literally double the amount of
players and they do make a lot more money for
what it's worth on the practice squad than they like
(37:34):
fifteen years. Ago it's like it was like fifty seventy
thousand dollars a, year which, is you, know considering how
much THE nfl, makes was. Outrageous now it's like more
of an actual living and so a lot of players
are developing that. Way you see it a lot where
you're a practice squy god for like two years and
then you end up getting.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
Elevated, yeah those are always my favorite stories, too when
and it kind of goes back to my first, points
like who are we not expecting to? Emerge who could
just totally emerge and delight all of? Us that happens every,
year and a lot of that journey has traveled through
the practice squad or through players finding new. Teams last
year was like a quarterback renaissance of, sorts players finding
(38:11):
new teams the last couple of. Years your Guy gino
obviously a big success story in that regard to AND
i JUST i love those types of stories when somebody
becomes in the place they're supposed to be right like
it's the path wasn't necessarily, straightforward but they ended up
exactly where they're supposed to be exactly at the.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
Time they're supposed to be in.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
It AND i think what's really cool about MOST nfl
players and coaches is they're so reflective about, That like
they're so they can see that it's something, too like
really process and internalize in a really cool pure.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
Way be in the. Moment so here where your feet?
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Are you know who got to basically ignored cast aside
from his original team kind of like you're. Mentioning was
a linebacker by the name Of Zach bond who helped
revolutionize the, position turned into one of the best players
at the. Position and you know who the man that
ignored him and didn't know how to use him for
so long In New. Orleans his name Is Dennis. Allen
(39:12):
and this year we get A Dennis allen Versus saints rivalry.
Game and that's one of my reasons for joy is
actually some of the hatred games that are gonna go
on this, Year So allen versus The saints that gives me.
JOY i Think saints fans they don't want to go
one in, sixteen BUT i can bet if you could
(39:34):
pick one game for them to win this, year if
they were to go one in, sixteen they'd actually take
the season sweep against The falcons and they would Beat
Dennis Allen's bears defense like a drum and get a
win that. Day like that gives me joy to think about.
That so it's the different rivalries around THE. Nfl Jim,
Harbor Pete. Carroll but we got that. Back that's.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Spicy what's your.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
DEAL i don't know If Sean payton there's a rivalry
with Either Jim, CARROLL i, Mean Jim harbaugh Or Peek.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Carroll BUT i could see one. Developing, YEAH i could
see him. Building. Right they should they should have.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
One and then this one's a little more under the.
Radar But Dan campbell And Ben johnson And Ben johnson
And Matt lafleur, ooh that's good, too And Ben johnson
and everybody in The Shanahan. Tree mm and well you
give us a little more cut because so, Okay.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
So this is one of My i'm so glad you
brought this up BECAUSE i have so much joy thinking
about these types of like interpersonal, rivalries and specifically when
coaches have. Rivalries it is the most fun thing in
the world because you get like the subtle digs and
the comments and then not so subtle digs Like Ben
johnson going up with the podium talking about how much
fun it was to you, know beat the packers and
(40:46):
how he wants to continue to beat the packers and
all this stuff and sort of not so subtly taking
a shot At. Malafloor and then he had some comments
as well in his opening presser about how he doesn't
he made his way despite the fact that he doesn't
have a famous last name and wasn't on these coaching
staffs or forming these coaching staffs where he had a
famous family member like the, mcveighs like The Kyle shanahans
(41:08):
of the. World AND i think that is so. Spicy
and the fact that the student and the master will
face off against each Other Dan campbell And Ben johnson
at some.
Speaker 6 (41:18):
POINT i love.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
IT i love.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
It so let's listen to a little bit About Ben,
JOHNSON i mean From Dan, campbell and this one's it's
not you, know specifically About Ben, johnson But i've just
been tracking like the increasing amount Of Campbell johnson heat
under the.
Speaker 7 (41:34):
SURFACE i feel, like you, know, collectively across the, board
this is this looks pretty, good you, Know AND i would, say,
yeah year, five this is the. Best we felt about,
it kind of top to. Bottom but from where we've
come year after, year this is we've taken in another
level and that's a credit To. Brad you, know What
(41:55):
brad's done in the personnel department is.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Outstanding, man you were the best from top to. Bottom
now you know who's no longer in the top to,
Bottom Ben. JOHNSON i Admit i'm stretching into. You i'm
joking in terms of that quote saying, it BUT i
do think The lions feel great about where they. Are
and WHEN i Heard Mike turco And Chris collins were
(42:22):
talking about it on The hall Of fame game that
he could tell that The lions, coaches Specifically Dan, campbell
were sick of, everyone you, know just asking them About Ben.
JOHNSON i was, like, oh you know how these things
work like, That absolutely Was Dan campbell in the room
just talking With tarico And collins were like being a
(42:42):
little spicy About Ben. Johnson and that was the way
that they end up putting.
Speaker 5 (42:46):
It out, there and so his way out it makes
its way out into the. World and then you could
almost you could see two players when they're asked about,
it they sit and they think about it for like
a hot second before they, answer like they pause for
just a second or they make a face or, whatever
and they just sort of figure. Out it's like they're
very they're measuring their response because clearly someone's been in
(43:08):
their air and being, like hey.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Man having the protege in the same division is. FASCINATING i,
Mean kyle shanahana it.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
Is it's the New Kyle Sean because, guys they want
you to know they're cool, now, right but you know
that it's THIS i love.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
It Saban belichick was a fun, one not for very,
long but that was that was like a fun one
back in the. Day and while we're on the, lines
that's actually a combination of things that give me. Joy
so that the rivalries but also The lions just as
like an establishment, Team like just, imagine like what if
(43:43):
what if The browns were like the best run organization
in THE nfl over.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
The last four or five?
Speaker 6 (43:50):
Years comprehend?
Speaker 1 (43:51):
It what if The jets Were like what if The
jets were the best run organization in THE nfl over
the last four or five? Years like that's that's where
we are with The lions and we're so used to
just like adjusting to new. Realities but it's insane that
that these are The lions and now this is this
is sort of officially the year where they are just
that establishment team that's expected to be, Amazing like the
(44:13):
ascent has essentially stopped as a regular season win total,
basis you can't get ANY i, mean you can barely
get higher than they've.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Been BUT i love.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
THAT i love that they're like they've been so good
that they're the bullies on the block, now like just.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Five years removed from bringing the Freaking. Lions and that's
How Dan campbell.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
Feels and he's had to answer questions about somebody who's not, there,
yeah for several, months and you, KNOW i think to
explain away because we we you, know believe in all
sorts of things to explain things that break.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Trends you, know some of it.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Mystical maybe it's the location of, stars maybe it's magical, momentum,
Right AND i think for The, lions it's just. Real
oh there's this there's this offensive. Coordinator he's a. Genius
he's an absolute, genius and he's changed. Everything and this
has nothing to do with all the work that everybody
that's still still there has this is the, reason AND
i think maybe that rattles around In Dan campbell's, head AND,
(45:05):
i you, KNOW i don't believe The lions are going
to try extra. HARD i, think you, know just the
circumstances of luck and the way things shake out are
going to determine how good they. Are but, yeah they're
just gonna be a good. Team and that's that's the
world we live. In to your, Point, greg, like it's
it's not The, lions it's this, addition It's Dan Campbell's,
(45:25):
lions and it's fun to be here and live in.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
It and they're going to play against an offense that
looks a lot like their offense In chicago and vice.
Versa and how the two, defenses you, KNOW i don't
say to approach, IT i don't, know just. Schematically there
was that click clip from a Mon, Ross Saint brown
And jamie Or gibbs On Kay Adams, show where you
know they just they, said, well we see the same,
place you, Know like it's weird just seeing them running
(45:47):
the same place up In. Chicago they are running the same.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
Place BUT i feel like both of those guys you
mentioned sometimes pitching the ball to each Other, yeah that's
the most unique aspects of.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
That that's Not it's like it feels like a different,
play right if It's Romo. Dunza and you, KNOW.
Speaker 5 (46:05):
I just think that there's such a long term potential
in THE Nfc. North, now you, Know Matt lafleur got
there and established himself as a really you, know high,
productive winning. Coach then you have Like Dan campbell And
Brad holmes building this thing out into something super, special
something recognized as one OF i Think america's favorite teams right.
(46:29):
Now certainly for the last several, years watching them climb
up from from nothing essentially was was such a great
story and a feel good story for a lot of.
Reasons Then kevin O'Connell is, like in himself kind of
the emblematic of the modern, coach, right the quarterback whisper
who also builds a, culture goes out and Hires Brian
flores running like the most badass, defense one of the
(46:51):
most badass defenses in THE. Nfl and then now it's, Like,
okay The bears got to start swinging at throwing their
weight around a little. Bit they got to start swinging
up to theirs a little, bit because now you are
behind The bears as an. Organization you are behind what
all of these other groups have, built and so, yeah
you better be. CHIPPY i loved his chippy. COMMENTS i
(47:12):
love the fact that there's this tension brewing up there
because that is what will get The bears out of the, dust,
essentially because they are far behind these other.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Organizations so maybe the spiciest division.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
League IF i had to just pick one division WHERE
i want to watch all the games this, year might
BE Nfc. North all, Right i'm almost out of. There
is there any other reasons for? Joy you guys want
to throw?
Speaker 5 (47:35):
UP i just want to Say i'm gonna love watching
these specific defenses that these will bring me. Joy The,
vikings The, chargers The, ravens The, cardinals The, broncos The,
eagles and The. RAMS i think these are going to
be the most interesting defenses in THE. Nfl what's cool
is it's all for different. Reasons it's all slightly different,
Strategies it's definitely different. Schemes the way they think about
pressure is all, different one over another over. Another the
way they think about coverage and how they want to
(47:57):
shape coverage around the routes that are developing against.
Speaker 6 (48:00):
Them it all is so.
Speaker 5 (48:02):
Unique we're getting so many different fingerprints on, defense the
same way we have seen so many different fingerprints on.
Offense and there's this real individuality happening there from team to,
team even within the same coaching trees THAT i absolutely
Love Jesse mintor And mike. McDonald you're going to see
two totally different defenses by those guys this, year even
though they're from the same quote unquote. System, Right Zach
(48:24):
orr with The, Ravens you're going to see totally different
stuff than him And Jesse mintter are, running even though
they're from the same quote unquote.
Speaker 6 (48:30):
FAMILY i JUST i love.
Speaker 5 (48:32):
That and nobody can run What Brian flores is, running,
Right and SO i think that this is so the
individuality in what has been thought of as such a
monolithic side of the ball for so many. Years it's really,
cool AND i think it gives more coaches an opportunity
to show who they.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
ARE i want to see defense being. Back there is
this idea that defenses are getting some sort of advantage
and then like the numbers just don't support it in any,
way form or. Fact like literally last year was a
highest yards per carry in the history of THE. Nfl
part of it was the kickoff a couple of teams probably, right,
yeah but that's that's how these things. Happened like the
(49:09):
kickoff return was part of. It but in terms of
like scoring on a percentage of the drives that you,
had it was literally the highest in the history of THE.
Nfl so everything is weighted towards the. Offense and.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
This isn't my reason for, joy BUT i hope we get,
some you, know some big plays. There we'll bring it.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Back that is one of my reasons for.
Speaker 4 (49:29):
Joy he's not on A Brian flores defense, anymore But
cam buying them kind of being the celebrations coordinator for
That vikings. TEAM i don't know how many celebrations This
colts defense will be able to, do BUT i do,
think right because looking back at a league that tried
to ban celebrations and it made it a penalty into
(49:49):
how far that we've come to like where we could
Celebrate cam buying them having his team do the entire
dance and routine From White, Chicks, like that's that special
and So i'm. Excited it does bring me, joy AND i,
hope you, know maybe he'll have a chance to dance
an in and zone for The.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Colts, yeah LET'S i could see The colts being, feisty
a little lou and a. Reumaissance we got the, brands
we got The Brandon staley, sons we got a lot of.
Speaker 4 (50:13):
Songs staley, songs you can stop, up But i'm we're
riding without the.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Whole got some, players got some players up, front got
your various Ward could we could have some fun there The,
Colts they're going to need.
Speaker 5 (50:25):
It i've been listening to some of the press conference
coming out of there lately And i'm, like oh my,
god is anything.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
You're Happy stike and not giving me many reasons for
joy not looking too, joyful and, yes as we wrap up,
HERE i uh you, Know I'm i'm joyful to be
getting to do another spin around THIS nfl daily regular.
Season don't want to be too navel. Gayzy like we
end the regular, season we look back at what a
(50:54):
what a great, time you, know and accomplishment that. Was
we we did get to the before the summer, started
and you, know this is what being in THE nfl
is kind of like like you have these little mile
posts of the. Season but, MAN i feel better about
this show and love doing this show on another level
compared to when we were doing it to start. OUT
(51:16):
i love that, Too but there is something about to
use the quarterback analogy about like going through an entire
season of this new show where the game feels like
it's coming at us slower and it lets you just
enjoy it and freed.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Up and, Like i'm very.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
Excited like to be able to do this with you two,
specifically but everyone who joins our show regularly, like AND
i really think it's going to be. GOOD i think
this last month is the best month we've had ON
Nfl daily.
Speaker 6 (51:45):
TOO i Mean i've had a.
Speaker 5 (51:46):
BLAST i could tell you are feeling good and like
ready for season two because what brings me joy is
That greg has started to cite specific like segment themes
as a part of his natural flow of converse. Sation
so like you've USED i can fix him in your normal.
Conversation you've said stand on the tiny table a few.
(52:07):
Times obviously we know of the lore now that Is Quarterback.
ISLAND i always think the mark of a really good
show is when listeners and the show itself is let
in on the inside joke has the callbacks understands the,
lore AND i do think that that's what is cool
to be a part of building that brings me a
lot of, joy a.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Lot Of jordan this, year and well that's a big
part of.
Speaker 5 (52:28):
It WHEN i WHEN i heard you, say like on
a random show a few weeks, ago standing on the tiny,
table you meant to say stand on the.
Speaker 6 (52:37):
Table you said stand on.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
The tiny it on.
Speaker 6 (52:39):
PURPOSE i never felt so seen in my. Life it was.
Speaker 4 (52:45):
Great it's like it's Like sean McDermott saying buffalo to
a core a million times on the promo For Hard,
knocks and it's, like.
Speaker 3 (52:51):
Is it at its core or is it to a?
Speaker 4 (52:53):
Tee, well we've combined, Them we've we've crossed, idiots and
poor coach he's had to hear that a billion. Times
like people have heard my stuff way too. Much But
i'm looking for my second year in The Greg rosenthal. Offense, uh.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
You, KNOW I i recognize, that you know there's only one,
football BUT i just want to make plays for.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
My, oh you'll be there on the in the big,
shows the preview show and the recap. Show there's no
bigger every. Down he's a big game, player every down.
Guy who takes advantage of momentum which is, real and you,
know you know HOW i, KNOW i like LIKE i
made it the first show Of reasons For joy and
we're doing it again here BECAUSE i did want it
to be a like we take the job, seriously but
(53:39):
it's a. Sport like if you're not having fun doing,
it what what really is the? Point, usually and this
was a truism with With Chris wesley AND, i we
would always talk about, It august is the hardest month
because you're working the hardest and it's going in a
million different, directions but the games aren't, real you know
WHAT i, Mean like you're actually working as hard or
harder than the regular, sea but it's not as it's
(54:02):
not as fun ultimately as the regular season because the
games are, real AND i feel about as energized and
like LIKE i actually enjoyed this preseason as ANY i
can remember in a long. Time SO i feel LIKE
i GOT i got good wind and good. Energy because
you guys are keeping.
Speaker 3 (54:15):
Its shape of its podcast Live yes.
Speaker 6 (54:17):
Exactly can't wait to disappoint. You by week.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
THREE i was going to, say, like revisit this in
a couple of weeks that's. It great week.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
On the. Show we will be back in the feed
starting to preview actual Games Thursday Friday Night, football but
we'll also have a forties In Free agent's preview of
the season where we go through and draft our Potential
Super bowl.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
Champions it is that time of. Year football's back
Host
Gregg Rosenthal
Popular Podcasts
NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal
Gregg Rosenthal and a rotating crew of elite NFL Media co-hosts, including Patrick Claybon, Colleen Wolfe, Steve Wyche, Nick Shook and Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic get you caught up daily on all the NFL news and analysis you need to be smarter and funnier than your friends.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com