Saturday Sickos: Coaching Carousel Predictions and Best Candidates

Gregg Rosenthal and Ollie Connolly look ahead to the possible moves that could come in the coaching circle of the NFL find out what they think the future holds for Kevin Stefanski, Pete Carroll (04:20), Jonathan Gannon (08:15), Raheem Morris (10:15), Zac Taylor (12:30), Aaron Glenn (15:30), Shane Steichen (21:19), and Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh (26:08). Plus, why Mike McCarthy (37:50), Robert Saleh (41:10), and Jesse Minter (43:00) among others should be getting looks to fill vacancies. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's a tough sports not for everybody. You gotta be

(00:01):
a little sick to love this game. And we got
some picos.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome to NFL Daily, Saturday Sickos edition. And yes, NFL
Daily is a place where you have to be a
little sick to go through all the different men in
the league that might be losing their jobs in the
coming weeks. But we're not dunking on them. We're not
celebrating the fact that it does really pique the interest
I think of all the teams that are out of.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
The mix in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
I'm Greg Rosenthal, I'm with Ali Connelly from the Read
Optional podcast and sub stack. Are you ready to go
through all of the coaching situations and then at the
end get a little more positive talk about the candidates
we might want to see get jobs in this cycle.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
I'm very ready. Maybe a couple of guys I have
with Duncan, I think just a couple. It's a couple,
hero that's fine. Some intriguing potential openings.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Now now you're not technically like an employee of the NFL,
so you can do that. That's what you're bringing from
another continent that you're just feeling free and easy. Ihearts
taking care of Ali. So you can say whatever you
want about the Cleveland Browns. No, actually they have a
good head coach. So here's what I'm gonna do to
start the show. I'm just kinda break it up, and

(01:11):
you can disagree with how I broke it up, but basically,
go through all the situations that we think there's going
to be a change or could be a change. Maybe
come up with a number at the end of like
the rough over under of how many coaching changes there's
going to be, talk about some potential surprises, and then
at the end we'll go through some of the candidates
we think will be popular on this cycle. So I

(01:33):
went with four definites. We'll call this he gone or
you know they're already open. The Titans and the Giants,
they've already made a change at head coach. And the
other two I would put in this category would be
the Cleveland Browns and the Las Vegas Raiders.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
You know, I've been wrong before, but.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
I just can't see a scenario where they bring back
Kevin Stefanski. I believe they're going to do a full
reboot in Cleveland in terms of the front office and
the head coaching staff.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Do you agree with that?

Speaker 3 (02:08):
I agree with that, and I think it's time Stefensk.
I watched now and he just seems so fatigue and
tired that to kind of get up and go again,
I think is tough. And I think looking at the
cycle in general, that I know he's probably going to
be in the mix because of how Finn the other
options out. But I would really advise Kevin Stefenski, know
that he cares about my pen to go and do
the year off stuff. Go and do the toll, Go
and do the Mike mccot thing, Go and sit and

(02:29):
do the McAfee show for you whatever, Go and do
the Rabel thing. Get on someone's sideline for a year
and just take a year out to chill, get yourself
back in the next cycle. I think he's as ready
to go as they are ready to move on. Yeah,
I think that benefited Mike Rabel.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
I guess we'll never know what the Patriots would have
looked like a year before if they had hired Vabel
instead of Mayo. But it just makes logical sense. He's
a two time Coach of the Year winner. Here's the thing,
though we'll go through. There's not like slam dunk options
to hire this year, and I think Kevin Stefanski will
be high on some teams' list. But I think when

(03:04):
you make the case for the Browns front office too,
and you think, wow, this draft class is great, and
then you look at the cap situation they're in next year,
and if you actually just even remove the Deshaun Watson
of it all, you know, the worst trade in the
history of the NFL. They have so many veteran players
that aren't going to be on the team next year

(03:25):
or shouldn't be on the team next year that they're
going to be paining that aren't even there, and that's
all because of the front office and whatever their identity was,
it's gone now, like that offensive line like does not
exist anymore. So I think you need a total fresh
start in Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
I agree with you, because even the positives would be okay,
we have a league leading defense. We know how up
and down the Iziatia kind of some crucial contributors older
or aging and probably won't be on the team next season.
You've got to re sign them at fat deals. And
then I think we just fall upoon Maybe Jim Schwaltz
gets hired elsewhere, maybe you bring it in, you ed
coach who doesn't want to work with Jim Schwoaltz, so
trying to think that thing can sustain throughout. I think

(04:02):
you just thank he Andrew Berry for drafting costs in
Swiss and during Quinslon Judkins and Harold Finnen, and you
see him on his way.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah. The Raiders are the other team here, and I
do want I wonder if Jim Schwartz we didn't write
him down as retreats, he certainly will be a popular
defensive coordinator candidate. I wonder if Cleveland would even think
about him. If they if they just want to elevate
him and not get too funky, that wouldn't totally shock me.
The Raiders are the other team here. I just can't
see how Pete Carroll survives this. I think they'll keep

(04:32):
the front office and give that front office a chance
to make another head coaching higher. It's just been one
of the most disorganized, like one and done looking seasons
from the outside that I can imagine.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Do you agree there?

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah? I didn't think any way I could get Modus
functional in Girodmeyo in New England. Somehow Pete one of
the old time greats. Final way to Tepen and just
the though process throughout. So they go from Tom Brady,
who is running the organization. I get raiders funds all
the time. I'm telling me he's not running the organization.
You're overstating it. Pete Carroll at his press conference set
this is Tom Brady's chance to run a franchise. So
they go from Ben Jonson and Matthew Stafford as a

(05:09):
package deal to Pete Carroll training for Gino Smith. He
brings his buddy in from Michigan, John spy Tech, who
worked with with the books. They draft their running back
sixth overall and they turn him over to Pete's kid
running the offensive line. The worst group and coaching job
I've seen in fifteen years running an offensive line.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
So they do that.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
They make Chip Kelly the highest paid coordinator in the
history of the sport. Whatever you think of Chip Kelly personality, skills,
all that stuff, it'd be nice if you paid someone
that much money to let them do the job they
were hired to do. They bring back Patrick Grame, which
I thought was a sensible idea, but then tell him
to run not his defense, to run Pete's defense from
like twelve years ago that's completely outdated. It is the
most dysfunctional situation I think you could imagine. And the

(05:48):
only thing I think you can hold on to to
have some kind of overlay and some kind of a
language continuity between the entire franchise will be to keep
spy tech and reset again with the staff.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, and this is the time a year that you
get a lot of reports in the media that are
thinly veiled attempts to blame the coach or the front office.
And we've had some of that in Vegas, but sometimes
it's convincing, and you just made the convincing case of
why Carol. Ultimately when you're looking at the draft picks too,

(06:19):
that like some of these guys were were Carrol's guys
that I'm okay blaming it on Carol for this year. Obviously,
nothing is one hundred percent one guy's fault, but I'm
okay with them redoing it.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
It's not his fault, but he's clearly the power center
of the organization. The draft picks look like his draft
picks from the end in Seattle, and yet then they
don't play. So if the front office was like, could
you please play the rookies anyway that we selected, he
chooses not to play, and we get the weird reports
where the rookies are trying out along the offensive line
because the line stinks. Then he pulls it last second,
being like, you know what, they're not very good and
you just can't have that kind of stuff. And he

(06:51):
was supposed to bring in organizational competence that was the point,
then handed off to someone else after a couple of seasons.
It's one of the biggest miss fives. I think we've
seen in recent times that.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
The one last job does not work in the NFL.
I do think it's a it's a young man's game,
or at least like whatever you want to say when
you're in your fifties and sixties on your second job.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
That that part of your career.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
I will get agis it reminds me a lot of
the Mike Holmgren presidential era in Cleveland, not as a coach,
when he was the front office guy in Cleveland. It's
just like, yeah, Pete Carroll can buy a lot more
boats now.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
I will say, though, I'm a big fun of the
retread candidates more than consensus. Everyone likes like the hot
young thing. I think if you look at the history
of the league, whether it's Belichick in New England, Variable
in New England, now Pete in Seattle, Gary Kubiak, I
think there's a lot to be said for the retreat
guys Stefenskiao be intrigued by, but I think they get
the second chance. And you've always gotta have one year out.
You got to go recharge, You go around, you prove

(07:50):
your energy, you go and discover new ideas, you build
a new, youngest staff around you. I think doing it
at that age was a was a step too far.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Hell, how about John Fox's Broncos making it to the
Super Bowl. I don't know if that's a winner or not. Okay,
now in my next category, and so that's four teams
we have that I feel pretty confident about. Although the
reporting in Cleveland in Vegas hasn't been clear. It just
you've seen enough of these situations before to have a
good feel the two. I'm leaning that there will be
a change. I thought about putting the Falcons in the

(08:20):
definite category. I did not, but I think Raheem Morris
is certainly in trouble, and even though the reporting's been
mixed in Arizona, I've just seen enough of these where
when a team starts getting their teeth kicked in over
and over at the end of the year, it's year three,
which is supposed to be the big build year. Jonathan

(08:41):
Gannon's a defensive coach. I've liked a lot of the
things they've done over the last few years. It's been
an interesting team to watch that I think overachieved for
two years and then now underachieving this year. I just
think the way this season is gone, I'd be a
little surprised if Gannon is there, barring some three game
winning streak at the end of the season, which can
always change things.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Even then, I think to the Rams game and for
the entire second half they are completely blown out and
the cameras just hold a month y. Austin full sat
next to Michael Bidwell for like two straight hours and
he's telling him, trust me, the roster is pretty good.
Go look at the draft class, Will Johnson, Walton Nolan
not bad. If you look at the defensive draft class,
this isn't me, this is Jonathan, it's Nick and I
think it's pretty clear those guys themselves are like looking

(09:23):
for property in Miami or something like that, because it
just feels like everything's checked out and it's done.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, and you figure Kyler Murray is done with this organization.
That's assuming Austin for It is there, which I would
tend to believe he'll get another chance. But you never
know what the bid wells. The Cardinals have been an
unpredictable organization over the years, and so like they have
some pieces, they're not in the worst situation. Would you

(09:50):
rather be the next head coach of the Falcons or
the Cardinals?

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Falcons for division, not for the roster. If you gave
me the roster straight up, I probably take the Cardinal
want a push, but to be in the NFC South,
I would prefer to be in the NFC West. Uh.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, it is tricky.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
If you put the Cardinals even in the NFC South
this year, who knows, we might be talking about just
like a six and eight team that's vaguely disappointing but
but got by because there were a lot of close
losses early for that Cardinals team.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Do you think they'll clean out? If you had to guess?

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Raheem and Terry Fontina Terry Fontinau. You know that would
be a third head coach that he would get to
hire if if they didn't. And I'm like holding out
a little space here when we're doing this three weeks
out that sometimes these final weeks can change things. These
two teams actually play each other on Sunday, and if
Atlanta ever got something going down the stretch, maybe Arthur

(10:45):
Blank could could convince himself to give this group another chance.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
I would lean to Wed if I was off the Blank,
I think I'd lean towards keeping Raheem and letting Terry go.
I think Terry's the worst talent evaluate thor an executive
in the NFL is flattering.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
I think he's about it, and I think his major
key decision has proved that. And you can't have as
many seismic bad decisions as he's had training a first
round pick for James Pierce, giving them money, his Kirk Cousins,
drafting Michael Pennix. Individually, they're all fireable offenses. He's got
three of them on the rap sheet, and I do
think Arthur Blank will sit back and look and say
Bill Belichick disaster at North Carolina but that was kind

(11:20):
of my door be option. This guy convinced me not
to do it because he's scared of his own job
and all of the staff around him, which I get
self preservation understand. But maybe I should have taken door
B and given it a chance. And so I think
they'll do that now. I would be inclined to give
Raheem one last go around, just because the options are
pretty thin. I really respect him. I think what he's
done defensively, Jeff Ulbrock has been pretty impressive remaking it

(11:42):
and making it better than the sum of the parts
Terry has given to him. So I'd be open to
that eventuality. It's just hard to see that they would
do kind of a nuclear reset at the front office
scouting department and also keep the.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Head coach you mentioned Obrok, who we didn't write down
on our defensive guys. I mean this is a kind
of a wide open group of candidates. Who knows he
could get some looks, maybe even by the Falcons. Yeah, Raheem,
I thought he'd be better second time around. I don't
think it's crazy, but I also think it's dangerous when

(12:13):
if you're looking for a general manager requiring him to
keep the head coach that's there. It's always a little tricky, Okay.
So if those two were gone, and I'm just leaning
that way with Atlanta, that would that would be six,
which maybe is around my over under. My next two
teams where I'm leaning safe are the Bengals and the Jets.
I think the Bengals should make a change. Do you

(12:35):
agree that they should make a change.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Oh, it's two years ovid was Zach Tayler, I think,
and it's really triggered. I don't want to cyclee psychoanalyize
Joe Burrow, the stuff going on, you know, the press
conferences and all that jazz. If they're going to make
a change, I think the easiest, most palatable one to
make is to go and get Joe Brady from the Bills.
I don't think every coaching candidate is a fit for
every jomb I think those guys are very rare. I

(12:58):
think Vrabel and Johnson the last cycle. Other than that,
you're looking for a very specific guy for a very
specific place based on what you have. I think someone
needs to push Joe Borrow more than he's been pushed
in his life, and the guy to do that would
be the person he had the most success in his
life with with Joe Brady LSU Joe Brady's evolved his
style of offense. Joe Burrow desperately needs to accept and
evolve his style of play as he kind of matures

(13:21):
through the stage of his career. And so if you
bring in a guy who really respects said the best
time of his life with in college, I think that
would be a really smart fit and a really smart change. Otherwise,
I'm not sure to be worth as kind of ripping
Zach Taylor out to have just put any name be
in there.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
So Zach Taylor took a lot of questions at his
last press conference about a report that his contract had
been extended without it being reported previously until twenty twenty seven.
So that would mean there would be two years left
on the deal, that he would not be a lame
duck coach next year, which was always a conversation towards
the end of Marvin Lewis.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Sometimes they let it go to the end.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Sometimes they wouldn't in that and Marvin Lewis would just stay.
I'm assuming that report is correct based on the way
Zach Taylor answered the questions, which were non answers that
made me really feel like he is going to be safe,
and the people that cover that team generally don't think
Duke Tobin, who really is the personnel chief, is in
any sort of trouble that there's almost like a zero

(14:18):
percent chance Duke Tobin would lose his job, and that
Zach Taylor is not far off from that zero percent.
You never know, though, Like I you just seen enough
of these seasons end. They just lost two straight games
to you know, Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. If you
happen to lose three more in a row to Quinn Yours,
Jacoby Brissett and Sar Sanders, like, yeah, that might make

(14:40):
it tough. So win some of these games. I know
it shouldn't matter, but like if it did, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
It feels like based on how they've upraateded the last year,
like the most impactful guy in the building was low
on a rum where they kicked him out. They blamed
him for everything, So it feels like the logic doesn't
play into things with them. Obviously it's heavily money based.
It feels like it's really up to Joe Burrow if
he does to knocked on the door and had the meeting.
He could probably have the power to get this thing done.
He had the power to make them go and build
a roster in a ludicrous way in the modern game,

(15:07):
because he wanted to keep all his pals around and
pay him big money, get himself some big money. So
could he just knock on the door and say, I
think this thing is run? Its close? So that's why
I'm unhappy playing the sport. If I had someone new
and him, maybe I would enjoy it a little bit more.
I think that's kind of where it sits, and I
have not seen anything that would suggest the I mean,
dark Dale lets Joe Borrow do everything he wants to
do on offense. So does he really want to go

(15:28):
and chase something new? I would hope that he does.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
The Jets are the other team. I just threw in
here just because Florio, Mike Florio threw it out. I
didn't knowing him working for him. There's probably something to that.
I don't think he's just throwing it out. So that
was surprising to me that he would even put that
up as a possibility that Aaron Glenn could be won
and done. But the Jets are as Chaotica a franchise

(15:55):
and making these types of decisions as we have, So
you can't can't totally rule it out. How have you
felt about Aaron Glenn's first year post post Steve Wilkes fire.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
You now, Yeah, disaster. I think he should be one
and done. I don't think they'll do it, and I
think they've got to look at it now and say
it's a different job than the one we hired him for.
We hired him for this kind of like mini reset.
We were going to sign Justin Fields as a bridge
quarterback multi year deal. We think we've got young talent.
The defense should be good, he's a defensive guy. It's
been an abomination all the way around, both kind of

(16:25):
the culture and the style and the environment there then
the on field performance. They have players quitting all the time.
I thought that linebackers quit in like week nine. Then
Steve Wilkes leaks not very well that he believed the
linebackers quit in like week twelve. He's a couple of
weeks later to figure that out. And so it's now
a job where it's a full on reset with this
massive cash of ammunition to go and reinvigorate the franchise

(16:47):
and do you want to turn that over to him now?
You could nail the personnel decisions and then hand it
off to someone else in a couple of years. I
would just like to have a full reset and go
again with the guy we think could be here six seven,
eight years. And I just I just don't see what Glunn.
Sometimes you just get the feeling and you know immediately
like this is not going to work out for five
six years. And I just have that feeling with Arton Glunn.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
You may you make a case, and it makes me
think maybe it is more possible in general because of
the history there. You mentioned the Steve Wilkes source. I
think you're referring to the Justina Anderson tweet. But to
assume that that was Steve Wilkes in the in the
tweet in this that he was the source and it's

(17:28):
a wild one. Check out Justina anderson jets tweet from
this week. You would have to assume then that Steve
Wilks is sort of talking in the third person about
Steve Wilkes to Justina Anderson.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
He could all that is true. It could also be
really bad reportage in which you're trying to cover up
the source, but you accidentally leave two bits in the
early part of the quote that reveals the source that
that's been done before.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
I mean, their linebackers have been bad. I'll, i'll, I'll
back up the linebackers.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
This is for the truth that go is one thing
I always do towards the end of the season when
teams I think acquitting is you go and you pull
up their interception return tape. How interested are they in
interception return? It tells you everything about a football team
used to be kickoff stuff. We don't got that normal
interception return. They don't even have an interception return to
pull up the tape to find out if these guys
care to actually play football anymore. And the interested in

(18:17):
blocking is the sideline going crazy. A guy's racing out
there to celebrate from the offensive side. You watch the Niners,
just a decimated squad. You can go and find the
Lnor interception against the Texans, everyone is trying to race
out onto the field before the plays even over. They
are so fired up and giddy to have got the ball,
but everyone is looking for work. Everyone's punching up and
stouts running all over the place. The Jets don't even
have that. I went to look at passes deflected to

(18:39):
see if those one those guys thought they had so
then then they would get involved in the action. Don't
even have that on film. So it's just a limp,
lifeless defense to me, which is what he was brought
in to completely regenerate. If that's the selling point, I
think that's just been proven to be wrong.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, and they had a moment.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
It was that victory over the Falcons, which is a
very strange game if you watch that, where I thought, okay,
Aaron Glenn has talked all year about the twenty twenty
one Lions their first season there about how towards the
end of the season. Yes, they started out with a
horrible record with Jared Goffee lost his first seven games,

(19:17):
but by the end of the season they were playing hard.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
You could see the vision.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
It was resulting in some wins, but you could just
more see it on the field, and I thought, okay,
that Falcons, when maybe this is the start of something.
And yeah, in the two weeks since they've they've gotten
absolutely destroyed and the defense has been a total disaster.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
It's the thing though, that that selling point of the
Lions includes this idea that Dan Campbelly took play calling
to Anthony Lenny took it for himself that he got
Ben Jonson. So is the Steve Volk's a sacrificial lem
to that because that happened way in the end. And
Don Campbell's had a very clear vision fall when we
are good, when we're playing in a title game, this
is what the team will look like. And this isn't acceptable.
It does not look like that right now. I don't

(19:57):
get that vibe by firing GluN that he understands today
what a Jets team under our and Glenn would look
like in the AFC title game, and like we're racing
towards that vision in the final four weeks. You'll kind
of see the small embers of it.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah, it's it's also a team who I wouldn't you know?

Speaker 2 (20:13):
It's I rarely think the NFL teams are tanking because
obviously the players on the field are playing for various reasons.
Some of them are not giving great efforts, as you
point out, but other others are and are on a
you know, I think they're trying to win when they're
out there, but they are playing Brady Cook this week.
I should have noted on our preview show in a

(20:33):
week where it does appear that Justin Field and or
Tyrod Taylor might be available. So that's about as close
to tanking as you really see.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
It is that and continue to play. Quincy Williams is like,
oh boys, we're out of this thing.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Okay, why don't we take a quick break just because
I think this is a good spot for it. So
we've gone over eight situations. We're leaning that there'll be
about six gone. But Bengals and Jets are are a
coupled to watch. I'm most fascinated in this cycle about
the potential surprises because we could get some big names
available based on how the end of the season goes.

(21:06):
We'll talk a little bit about the Ravens, Colts, and
Bills after the weak back on NFL Daily. If you're
listening to this, it's probably Saturday. We got Saturday games.

(21:27):
Maybe it's Sunday and they've already happened. We've got college
football playoff games. I'm wearing my RMFW two lane sweatshirt,
if you know. You know, So let's hope that it's
going well in the alternate universe that you're listening to
this Let's talk about what could be the most interesting
part of this coaching cycle, and that's the teams with

(21:48):
big name coaches where the last handful of weeks of
the season could change things and maybe someone big shakes loose.
And I'll start with the Colts, who I've asked around
a little bit about, and I think there's a bigger
chance that Shane Ssyken does not keep his job. Then
the public would assume because a he's coached pretty well.

(22:12):
I think considering their situation, you can see it. You
saw the vision for it. Obviously with Daniel Jones. Everyone
wants a good play caller. And then b you can't
really blame this collapse on him when when all the
players that were making it happen suddenly get hurt on defense,
on offense, obviously what was happening. And so logically you're like, oh, yeah,
you would keep Shane stykeen and who knows, maybe they

(22:33):
will win some games with Philip Rivers, but assuming they
don't make the playoffs, you would think he'd be safe.
But I've talked to people and they basically view that
as new ownership, Like, yeah, it's Jim Mersey's daughter, but
she's gonna want her own people in there and put
an imprint on the organization. On top of that, Chris

(22:54):
Ballard's been there for a decade and this was always
a win or else year. And even if about really
bad luck is one of the reasons, if not the
biggest reason they don't make the playoffs, that that there
still would be a real chance that if they go
from seven to one to eight and nine, she's not
gonna care about why, and that she might be looking
for a big fish or just to make a change.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Do you think that would be the right move.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
I don't think it would be the right move. I
agree with you, though. I've spoken to people on the
cult side, on the coaching side, and there's real fifth
that they think this is it and it's a rap.
Really just don't normally expect from guys who were in
the hunt for Coach of the Year where they all
get little, you know, statues from the head coach for
saying we all did a great job. That's where they
thought this was ending up by the time they got
to the Christmas party. That is not how it's feeling

(23:38):
there right now. And it's a real shame because how
could you have done any better than they did to
open the season putting up historic stuff on offense, which
is his main task. And I get what you're saying
about the new ownership, and I agree with that. I mean,
making the trade that it for Sauce God was a
classic new owner move. Let's go all in. Let's not
accept that our quarterbacks, Daniel Jones, Let's compromise the future
for the now because we believe for a championship can

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and the one we're probably not. So I think that
that kind of eraticism is to be expected when you
get a new owe and so it wouldn't surprise me
the Slights if they decide to move on.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Look, Carly Ursa Gordon has impressed a lot of people
with how she's operated, and if she was, you know,
making a surprising decision, that would be in keeping with
her father's legacy.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Certainly at the beginning of his career with in Indianapolis,
which was more of a disaster, and he's he's talked
about how substance abuse affected that, and that's not what
we're talking about. We're talking about someone who, yeah, just
might have her own ideas of how she wants the
organization to be running.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
It's ultimately up to her.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
The distinction here from the typical New Ownes syndrome like
when the Walton's brought the Broncos and it's like, go
and get us Russell Wilson. We're gonna go trade draft
picks for the famous head coach robn do like a
coaching search of the you own cool candidates. Is she
has a football life. She's been working the football department
since she was like a teenager. That is a bit
different when you've lived through it, being through so many
different regimes, anyway, she will have a good sense of

(25:03):
what looks like it's working, well, what isn't. I think
it's pretty hard to pin the current situation on the
regime that's there, unless you're just saying that we looked
into Daniel Jones in a sense that was never sustainable.
We're only in that situation because of Chris Ballard, and
then it would be hard to meet to say, well,
I'm gonna blame sheen Stike. And also, but as always,
it's hard to remove the coach. Sorry, keep the coach

(25:25):
and remove the GM.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, maybe there's interpersonal dynamics you don't know about. You
don't know like who's friends with who inside the building,
how all the relationships are, and so there could be
more to it. But just from the outside looking in,
even if I'm blah on Ballard over the years, right now,
they have a lot of pieces where continuity seems to

(25:48):
make a lot of sense. And I include Anna Rumo
in that, I include a lot of that offensive line
that Ballard built in that, and that it makes sense
with Stich and they got to figure out quarterback. But
it to me, it seems like holding pat and giving
this group one more year at least would be the
way to go. The Ravens and Steelers, let's kind of
blend them together. I do think that there's like a

(26:14):
greater chance that one of these two head coaches are
not back next year than probably conventional wisdom has it.
The more stuff that came out about Tomlin, the more
I thought, maybe Mike Tomlin doesn't want to be there.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
That's That's basically was my read on it.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Whether he was kind of doing the old Parcels and
Sean Payton playbook where they had a job and they
had years left on their contract, but they were clearly
making obvious to the rest of the NFL heye, does
anyone want to come get me? That's just my read
without asking around about that. When it comes to Tomlin,
what do you think about the Steelers, Let's start there.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Yeah, I mean I feel like I'm a broken breck
on this. When the reason a guy keeps his job
is the alls I have a here is how quick
someone else would hire him. It's no longer a defense
of the job he has in the place he currently is,
and it is just every year like clockwork. And we
had it this with a bit of a lucy use
report that we're going to get the chef to up day,
that a team is so willing to go and get
Mike Tomlin. And then he signs a contract extension this

(27:15):
year a little bit different with the oh there's an
option and so he's safe for next year, but the
option for the following year. What that makes me think
he would be potentially available and would sign off on
a trade to somewhere like the Giants, somewhere he respects,
somewhere he thinks he could turn the thing around pretty
quickly and kind of immediately move into just a better
situation for the medium to that he's constructed himself where

(27:35):
he currently is, and.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
I wonder where the Steelers are at in this.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
It seems like they would rather just well, let's just
keep keeping him and even if there's shortcomings. They must
see these reports out there. They're obviously more in tune
with it than we are. And wonder if their coach
has a wandering eye. And this is where you know
how these seasons end mean everything. Unfortunately, I think that's

(28:02):
short sighted to base it all on the last few
games of the season when you have a track record
of like what he is great at as a coach,
and I think he could be someone that is better
in another spot, but just needs he needs a refresh.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Maybe the Steelers need a refresh.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
They finish at Detroit, at Cleveland, and then home for Baltimore.
There's a pretty realistic scenario where they've clinched the division
before even playing Baltimore. If the Ravens can't pull off
wins here and so if the Steelers that have a
home playoff game, and it's just hard for me to
imagine that thing changing. If the Ravens don't make the playoffs,

(28:38):
I think Harball's out. That's just that is just a
total gut thought. It just feels like time. I personally
think he probably should be out if they don't make
the playoffs, And in general, it just feels like time.
Doesn't mean he doesn't have a million strengths as a
as a head coach and that he had a great run,
but all runs have to end sometime. And I would

(28:59):
think about, if I'm the owner there in the front office,
do we want John Harbad being the head coach of
Lamar Jackson his entire career.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
I kind of want to see something else.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
I just would you're in the camp of Mike mcdondall right,
you just want to see Lamar with mcdoniel.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
I think, I mean that would be fun.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
That's I mean, you could suggest out of our other options,
who else would be fun there? Like would Kevin Stefanski
be fun there? I do think that's an organization where
maybe the head coach is it's it's not like Pete
Carroll and Seattle or anything. It's part of a larger
operation and you slide ahead coach and Brian Billock to me,
was not like leading that organization. And Harbaugh's been great

(29:39):
at what he does, but sometimes it's the coordinators and
it's everything else. It's a whole system. So let's let's
just plug someone else in the system. We're not taking
Lamar out, so let's let's plug that spot differently.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
I do imagine if they did it, it would be
so within the family. I imagine that's why Jesse Mint
would have his eye lays it on. He could go
and do that.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
I think it's time. I think in both organizations is
a real sense fatigue. I think particularly the Stealers have
run out of ideas, but with the Ravens too, it
feels like they're out of ideas and you could find
a new voice that's within the family, which is pretty
unusual for a team to get, and a team that
cares about that stuff. And so I just think if
Jesse Mint is available and he's going to be a
head coach for fifteen years in the league, I'd want
to be on that train early rather than hang around

(30:19):
and go down the end of the cliff with Harbor
here where we should be better than we are and
we watch Jesse minta wander off somewhere else and have.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
A great career.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Now, it would be really interesting if it was mintor
head coach and the like kept Todd Munkin, because to me,
I'm mostly thinking about, all right, who's going to maximize
Lamar Jackson? Where are you at with the Todd Munkin experience,
by the way.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Not as impressive this year as in previous years. And
I think about this with all coaches. I think people
have a tendencies to say they are good they are bad.
I think people have good seasons, bad seasons. People get tired,
they run out of ideas, the cycle of the league
and kind of ebb and flow in the way your
philosophic nd of ovlays with the meta trends of the league.
Someone like Vance Josep I talk about all the time
I've been banging the drum for him to get a
head job for like four seasons. I think it's gonna

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cycle lot of him being as useful as he is
right now, and then you're going to hire him the
tail end of the cycle where his defense was a
real value add to have him running your team. And
I feel like that with Munkin, where they've run a
little bit of out of ideas. Obviously compromised by the
offensive line Lamar's injury, He's not moved the same way,
but it feels a little more stale compared to the
previous few seasons.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
I'm informed here too by when they did fire Brian Billick,
and people were surprised.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
I was a super Bowl champion, who wasn't you know?
The team wasn't a disaster. They had a down year.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Obviously, and I believed all the reports about how close
John Harbaugh was to losing his job before Lamar Jackson
essentially he saved it, and John Harbad knew from the
minute Lamar started playing like that this is this is
my guy. And he tried to support him, and he
supported him publicly. But you just feel like that this organization,

(31:55):
I think they've seen it and it's just been diminishedinguit
turns now feels like the time then again, they could
they they could win these games. They could they could
win a couple of playoff games, and that would that
would shut me up.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
I'd be a little surprised if that happened.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
And I think it's triggy Gus for the Steelers. I
don't see a clear option that you would say we
feel comfortable as if not. An upgrade is pretty similar
and they've not done a coaching search since when like
the twenties, like When's Lesson did an actual coaching search
for a candidate, Whereas with the Ravens there is that
kind of perfect middle ground of guy who seems me
peeking at the right time, is ready for that coaching gig.
He knows us when the sounds all language. As you said,

(32:27):
we kind of plug a guy into the building rather
than come and run in, you know, overhaul the whole building.
So I think the timing just makes sense for the Ravens,
get Lamar and you Voice, get a younger, more exciting,
more innovative stuff. I think that would make sense for them.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
I'd be very surprised if former Eagles co worker Sean
McDermott or Andy Reid are not back with their team,
But I just thought i'd throw throw them out.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
There's a little red meat there. Just you never know.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
In any Reid's case, it would just be for him
to make a decision that everyone that covers the team
the most closely says it's just not happening. And he's
signed an extin through twenty nine. You just never know
at his age, if he would decide to step down.
That's very unlikely. McDermott's a little different. They're playing well
right now, it's very easy to imagine them winning playoff games,

(33:13):
maybe even making the super Bowl, and making this conversation move,
but in a different world where let's say they finish
twelve and five or eleven and six and they lose
in the first round.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
What are your thoughts about the Bills situation?

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah, I think I was more on the McDermott should
leave train last offseason, where I thought you could maybe
go and get one of the super innovative offensive coach
and just pet up with Alan. Could you go and
be the bench If that job was available, every coach
in the lane would be lining up to go take it.
You could have brought Ben Johnson in. I think with
the candidate pool this year, I'd be more inclined to
just give it one more season. I think mcdermot's I
had just done a very impressive coaching job. On game days,

(33:49):
the game plans are being a bit of a whiff
over time, but I think that personnel is pretty poor
and it's grossly overstated, often because of McDermott and because
of Josh Allen, and it's more of a talent evaluation
issue than it is a game day coach issue. He
may take the fall if they fall shot in the playoffs,
but I think he's coached pretty well himself on game
days this year and deserves another show.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
I agree, I would lean pretty heavily towards keeping him.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Trying to think, I guess it's the history of the
league is that guys don't stay together this long and
than win that first one. It's just that simple. And
it's the same with Harbor and Lamar Jackson. You just
don't see it where I coach quotes by combination go six, seven,
eight years and finally breakthrough. And so if you're looking
at history of league now Josh Allen is different, maybe
you could do it. Maybe does break through this year.
That would certainly be in my mind if I was
running the team, that a new voice could could be impactful.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah, it's a good call in terms of like the
QB conversation, I mean the QB quarterback combination that it
tends to happen earlier. But he's a tricky one McDermott
because I'm trying to think of the perfect quarterback cup.
Maybe it's Jared Goff like just in terms of where
he is in the pecking order like obviously there are

(34:58):
coaches that are out of level. Sean McDermott's I don't
think ever gonna get to as in terms of being
a complete difference making head coach. But yeah, like go
find a better quarterback than Jared Goff, It's not going
to be that easy for you to do.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
So.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
I don't know if like McDermott's that high, and coaches
I think are ultimately a little easier to fine than quarterbacks.
But there's a big risk if you decide to move
on that it could it could certainly go worse on the.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Read thing quickly is that I find that fascinating because
this is a dynasty on like any other where they've
experienced no brain dream. The only guy to leave is
Eric b Enemy, and that was partly a mutual decision,
right to go and chase the next Roe of the job.
Lot of we've not had before where they have had
in combination, the greatest offensive designer of his lifetime, the
greatest defensive coordinator of his generation, the best offensive line

(35:47):
coach of his generation, and maybe the best special teams
coach of his generation altogether at once all the way through,
they look so out of ideas this season. And I
feel like if Reid doesn't go, I'll be very much
open to and I would hope someone like Patch one
will go and say we need new young fresh faces.
Usually that self manages itself because everyone leaves, everyone left Saban,
everyone left Belichick. You got to go find new people.

(36:08):
They've almost put themselves into this book. It where it's
the same guys all the time, the same voices. So
if Reid doesn't go, I do think they've got to
say Matt Nage, you're out. Someone else that is kind
of shocking, You're out. Maybe Steve Spagnola takes a new job.
But particularly on offense, I think they desperately need new
young voices.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
It's a great and weird point about their continuity, which
has been such a strength for them, and like they're
not going to change their offensive line coach.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
But I think you're right that some new fresh voices
would be great.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
And you think about all the other teams that are
been less successful, the Rams certainly basically anyone in that
coaching tree, but the Ravens too. Like the Ravens have
been cycling through coordinators forever, especially on defense, because they
get better jobs and that just hasn't happened.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
All right, Spagnola is one of the rechreds. Let's go
through it. You helped divide the list up of.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Potential candidates into different categor so we'll start with the
retreads and I'll throw Jim Schwartz in there too, Although
to me he'd be a long shot. I guess to
get another head coaching job, Spags would be interesting. I
do think there could be an appetite for him getting
some interviews, and the Giants specifically would would be an
interesting fit for him. I've listened to Chris Long on
his podcast in the past saying, like, man, it wasn't

(37:20):
Spag's fault in Saint Louis. No one was gonna win
in that situation. Like we feel bad that, Like Spags
is such a good coach that we let him down
and there is a possibility he could be better the
second time around. But we have McCarthy, Robert Sala I
think could be a guy who gets interest Brian Flores.
If if organizations can can look past the you know,

(37:43):
lawsuit between Flores and the league vance Joseph you already
touched on Ballichick, I guess we could throw in there Stefanski.
Like a lot of names, who who kind of stands out?
Who do you want to start with there?

Speaker 3 (37:56):
The one that stands out to me, I don't know
if you've read him up there is Mike McCarthy. I
think there's not a huge distinction between the resumes of
Mike McCarthy and Sean Payton, And yet Sean Payton was
heralded because he's friends with everyone in the media, is
being like the guy you gotta go trade draft picks for.
Mike McCarthy's just available now. The third go round coach
is a slightly different than the second go round coach,
and I do accept that, But putting him in a
place like Tennessee, where it's just a complete disaster behind

(38:19):
the scenes, there is not a level of accountability, a
level of competence, I think him being a kind of
bridge guy for young quarterback would make a lot of sense,
whether it's there where it's the Giants, somewhere like that,
where it's like, let's just stabilize, be normal, be ordinary
for two seasons, and then when we want to go
and shoot for the moon, we can thank Mike for
laying the foundations and go find someone else.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Not too different from really what happened in Dallas, although
they did win a lot of games. Yeah, third time around,
I'm a little surprised. I appreciate what you're saying. I
feel like, if Ali's actually running a team, he gives
McCarthy an interview, he leaks it out to the media
that he's one of the three finalists because he feels
bad for him or likes him like he does genuinely
like him, but he doesn't hire him.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Oh no, no, no, no no, I would not do that.
That's true. It's tough because the kind of general picture
of the candidate's list is the retreads and the guys
who have the most cachet. The first of all, I
hate the way we high head coach, which is which
coordinator was good last year? Just makes no sense. Why
guys fail all the time? Do they have the right
schools and stuff to run a building? Is how I
would interview the guys most than just which coordinator did well.

(39:22):
But the offensive guys where it gets tricky. Everyone wants
one of these offensive gurus, one of these offensive minds.
They're all looking for Ben Johnson and Liam Cohen. It's
just pretty dry. If it's not Cliff Kingsbury. It's guys
who are twenty, like Grant Yudensky or Declan Doyle, or
guys who've been the league two or three seasons because
they're in college, so it's tough to find people who fit,
which is where you just kind of a light. I
think if you're just going through offensive pecking order and

(39:43):
you're not in the Kingsbury world, that's just not your
vibe trying to re establish a building. That's when I
think you hit on. Mike McCarthy's like the faults, saying
this isn't the best cycle. We had to move on
from Brian Callaghan. Let's give it to Mike for a
couple of seasons.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
I could see it between those other guys are Spags
second time around, f Laura's second time around, Salah, the
defensive guys, Vance, Joseph.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Who would you like the most?

Speaker 3 (40:07):
I always want to go for Vance. I'll say Van,
so it's out there publicly because I really want him
to get a cracker doing it again. The guy I
would hire if my owner approved, you know, interviewing the
guy that he's suing him currently would probably be Flores.
I think he's got the best rolodex to build the
staff around him. I do worry about putting him back
in charge of a whole facility and what that may do,

(40:27):
and what it was like in Miami. Everyone says he's
calmed down. It's not as bad as it used to be.
When the pressure gets mounting and it's stressful and you're
not sleeping and you're in charge of travel again, might
be different. But I think he would be one of
the defensive guys who could find the stream of young
offensive minds. You keep getting picked off the staff every season.
You've got to keep refreshing that the way someone like

(40:49):
McDermot has had to do. I think Flores of those
guys would be the guy I take the punt on.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
And the reality is other than if the Ravens job
opens up. It's not like there's these ready made jobs
where you have a strong front office and ownership situation.
Every one of these jobs is going to have different challenges.
I guess Austin Ford is probably going to be in
place in Arizona, but even that, you just look at

(41:14):
the history there.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
He'd be the most fun to watch.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
The highest floor is of Robert Seller. I think Robert
Sala will always get you in his second go round
to seven wins and that's the floor. Is he and
a guy who can put you over the top. There's
been so much brain drain from the people he's work with.
But I did not love even though he's doing a
very good job this season with the tools available, not
taking the year off, if I was going to hire
him and not going and getting outside of his comfort

(41:40):
zone going back to the Niners. So I think he's
an outstanding coach, excellent defensive guy, could be the Spags
of his generation. Just be the guy everyone wants to
hire as the defensive coach out have loved him to
do a year out and go and survey all the
college campuses and go and find all the cool new
ideas bringing him in and just becomes a fact. Similar
if that Jets job again and he brings a little
loll back with him, which have a la flow brothers

(42:01):
rolling around, I wouldn't be interested in that.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Jeff l There's not that many Laflair brothers. Mike Michaelfler,
NFL daily guest at training camp back in August. All right,
the defensive guys, then the young guys minter to me,
seems like the top guy and will get a lot
of interviews in this spike in this cycle. Other possibilities,

(42:25):
Chris Schulo will probably get attention from Los Angeles, Like
he's a younger coach that hasn't had a lot of
like experience, like in front of the podium, and like
there will be questions of like, Okay, how can he
lead an entire organization that's fair for most of these
first time coaches.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Anthony Weaver could get looks.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
He's the defensive coordinator with Miami, Jeff Hafley the defensive
coordinator for the Packers, You're beloved Lou and Arumo with
the Colts right now, and then Anthony Campaneely. I think
that's a probably a year or two ahead from him
really getting attention, but has done a good job with
the Jaguars. Why do you think it sounds like Minter

(43:05):
would be an interesting pick.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
Yeah, I think he's a superstar. I think he's one
of the special ones hiding out there. It's the perfect age,
perfect ideas, perfect pipeline of coaches, whether it's any of
the guys that are left at Michigan or is the
people who could pick off the Chargers' staff and just
has an unbelievable feel already for what a good program
should look and sound like, does really cool things around

(43:29):
the facility that is not traditional NFL stuff that I
know he's implemented with the Chargers that I think you
could take into an organization and would improve the masterly.
Iically don't think he's the kind of schematic guru in
the way he's builders like Mike McDonald. It's a lot
more basic than the stuff Seattle do. But whenever I've
watched him talk and speak and work at coaching clinics
and things like that, it just jumps off the screen

(43:49):
that he operates at a different level and the organization
and the principles I just think looks, smells sound like
a guy who's got the goods.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
I think Anthony Weaver has a little bit of that
at where if he's in the room, I think he'll
impress ownership and that he does make sense as a
guy who's done a good job. Schematically, they're in Miami,
They're not amazing, but he certainly has done a solid job.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
But a guy that you could see kind of leading
an organization.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Yeah, I thought that last cycle. I thought he'd be
the sneaky higher I thought the Jets would look in
that direction. That one. He would blow people away once
he got in the room. I think this one is
tough and cramped because you've got Minter and Shola, and
then you maybe have the retreads of Salagate's one. You
start running out of jobs where you become the guy
who impressed the interview. We didn't mention, by the way,
during the jobs the Miami Dolphins. If there's a shoeler
available and the Dolphins job is available, then all of

(44:41):
a sudden, you start looking at that one. Though. I
think I do think the Stephen Ross would go big
game hunting if they decide to do that. But you're
so in on just mcdoniel's staying.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
I guess no, I'm an idiot. This is why you
need an editor. Give me a break. How did we
go through the whole episode? How did no one see this?

Speaker 2 (44:59):
I went through all the I must have just been
so sick of talking about the Dolphins situation all week. Oh,
I think he's gone. I think there's been a lot
of you know, talk that they would like to keep him,
and I think it depends on who you're talking to
there necessarily, and it just it just doesn't make logical

(45:21):
sense that they're going to essentially require the next GM
to keep Mike McDaniel. It's possible, and it's not the
craziest idea ever, Like, he has strengths as a head coach,
but he would be on my leaning gone list.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
So I'm glad you fixed that whole. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
I would go with leaning gun with him too. I
understand the reasons why you would consider it. You say,
we think we've got a guy who is a false
multiplier as an offensive designer. What if you had a
real pro quote back that that seems sounds pretty good,
sounds better than some of the options out there. And
options are it's defense Ski, it's you Didnski, a twenty

(46:00):
eight year old running off building, or it's Might mcdoniel.
I can see how you could talk yourself into that,
just the way Steven Ross is. I assume he will go.
He'll go chasing a big name on the market.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Okay, so the big names there aren't many that are
offensive guys right now. Cliff Kingsbury, you mentioned Udinski is
one of the youngest, maybe the youngest coordinator in the league.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
For Jacksonville.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
I do think Liam Cohen people are gonna just want
to get a piece of what Liam Cohen has been
doing after really a skyrocket in terms of his status
within the league the last couple of years. Declan Doyle.
You mentioned who's with the Bears right now, but it's
guys I have a hard time imagining get serious looks

(46:44):
Clayton Adams, maybe with Dallas who's helped to design their
running game. Mike kaff guy I think has a chance
for New York to keep the Giant's job, but it
just hasn't gone well as an interim, so that's not
going to help him.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Among those offensive guys who catches.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
It's pretty tough. I love Clayton Adams, I have a
hard time seeing him stepping up to the top podium
at this stage. And that's where it's just tight. I
would be if you're taking the swing for the fence,
if you're the titsans just saying we stink, but we
think we got the quarterback. Let's just go and take
a punt on having Sean McVeigh, that's where I would
look at doing that. You didn't ski now. I don't
love the idea of a twenty nine year old running

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the whole team, that that would be concerning. But of
those guys you see and look and go, he seems
different to all the other guys who come through as
they stood near McVeigh, those type of coaches, whether it's
a LA floor, whoever it is, he does feel a
little bit different. So if you're taking a swing, that's
the guy I take the swing on.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
I mean, the thing about the whole they stood near,
like McVeigh hires, is they've mostly worked. I mean that's
the hit rate has been way higher than a normal
head coaching. That that's where I think Nate Nate Schielhaus
with the Rams has a chance. He's only been the
league two years, which again you wouldn't want necessary running
the whole thing. But if you're looking for the guy
who stood him, surely gets a lot of the attention

(48:02):
for that. But if you're leading, well, we really want
the offensive stuff that Sean does. That's kind of why
we're interviewing you. He's older, he's a bit more experienced,
so I could see him being a real outside hire.
The other one would be Davis Webb, who I think
if you're going again, the young got to take a
swing route. We're not interested in Mike McCarthy and retraid
offensive mine. Cliff Kingsbury is not our style of just
dude around the office. I think Davis Webb probably has

(48:26):
a little bit more experiences being in multiple buildings. I
think we'll come across really well in the interview, so
I could see him being a kind of an outside hire.
But once you get past to those guys, you're into
the Clint Kubiak, which just isn't for me. You're into
Todd Munkin, which feels like maybe you're doing it ten
years too late.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
As a head coach in the league. That would have
to be a we're making him the head coach of
the Ravenscauz Lamar wants some situation to me, or he's
gone with Josh All on the Bills like a premier
quarterback and he can just kind of add on to
the top there rather than turning a team around.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
And you mentioned Davis web just for the listeners. He is.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
I wanted to get his title right for the Broncos,
the offensive pass the offensive pass game coordinator, and the
quarterbacks coach. I knew he was the quarterbacks coach there
and had some other title where they now like split
coordinator titles like among three People.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
He also authored.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Like that terrible tush not toush push but QB sneak
Remember from like ninety nine yards away?

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Am I am? I crazy to remember that? That's why
it was a sad moment. I mean, he's only thirty
years old.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
I was like, that was only a couple of years
ago that Davis Webb was making sad starts for the Giants.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
So, but this is the thing, when we talking about
the other jobs they come open. Everyone wants to get
rid of that coach. I get it, you think they're
a bozo. If you want to get rid of the
coach because you want to go chase the next offensive mind,
you're really tapping out pretty quickly. Unless you want to
take a swing on a guy who's being the league
two oh three years or a guy who's just incredibly
young even though he's coach his entire life. Those are
pretty big risks to take of you. You're going to

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have players who were significantly older than your head coach
stood in front of the room.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Yeah, there is.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
There are not a lot of obvious offensive options. Even
among the retreads. They're mostly defensive coaches. I guess I
can't have Ali on without you know, asking if Justina's reporting.
You know, she had more on Thursday morning that there's
multiple high up people with a couple of organizations who
are at least sort of considering maybe giving Bill Belichick

(50:24):
a call. I can't imagine, well, I definitely can't imagine
he gets a job. But do you even think he
gets a real deal interview in this cycle.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Real deal interview? I'm not sure a phone call. I
think yes, And I think that's the Falcons, and I
think that probably already took place to gauge interest. I
think that Dori Dorby thing for off the blank is
like a real thing that he doesn't know why you
went down one after the fact, So I think the
calls will take place. I could not see it happening.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
That just would be sad times for the Falcons to
hire Bill Belichick ten years after twenty eight to just
very Falcons, that was great. We will be obviously tracking
all the coaching news throughout the next couple of weeks
on NFL Daily. Ali, I won't talk to you on

(51:13):
the show before Christmas, So have a great Christmas, and
for everyone listening. We obviously have many more shows before Christmas.
We will be back on Sunday Night to Yes recap
those big time Saturday games, including that Bears Packers I
cannot wait for that, and then Yes, Jags Broncos to

(51:34):
me is just fascinating on Sunday along with Ravens Patriots.
We will see you there in the Chris Westling Podcast
Studio recapping it all