June 25, 2025 • 39 mins
Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Colleen Wolfe and Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic to reflect on the things they've learned over the course of the first year of NFL Daily. Before they look back, the trio reacts to Aaron Rodgers saying next season is likely his last year in the NFL (04:00). The crew then looks back at how defensive coordinators left the stamp on last season (10:55), how they learned Sam Darnold has main character energy (15:25), what they learned about the quarterback position moving forward (17:30), the development of the run game (28:15), and on plenty of learning moments about each other over the last year.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we can't wait to see
what the Season one cliffhanger is going to be from
the SeeU next Tuesday crew, Yes, for the last time
in season one. I don't know why we're calling it
season one. It's Greg Rosenthal, Jordan Rodriege of The Athletic,
and Colleen Wolf in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
What is happening?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Can't believe it's been a year.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
We are yeah, I mean kind of a year as
a crew. I went back and checked, but we are
breaking at least for a few weeks. It's the NFL
off season. We've got an exciting series that's going to
be coming up on NFL Daily. But it'll be a
little while before we all get back together. They'll probably
be sending you around during training camp to all over
(00:47):
the place, so I don't know when we'll be back
together again. So, yes, this is the season one finale.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Greg.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
This is called celebrating an anniversary. Yes, okay, so like this,
this is what you do you celebrate friendship.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
It's been one year.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Technically it's a couple weeks where a couple weeks away. Gift.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I don't know where you you took a couple more
weeks to show up, if I.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Remember correctly, to the Future of this World I.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Met last year. But yeah, I didn't hear about that.
How was the Drexel commencements.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Oh it was good. I haven't posted anything yet. I'm
really backlocked, so I have to go back. But it
was nice. It was fun.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
It was good.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
It turned out not too bad. I got some laughs,
some of my jokes landed. Got an applause when I
even went into a political situation that was very risky and.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
It worked so off love that.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Oh that is amazing.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
It's very cool.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
It was really life moment. And for your dad to
be able to I watched that. I can only imagine
how how proud you well.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
And I apologize to my dad for telling him that
H and M was a bookstore on campus when it
came up on the credit card, because that just, you know,
to get them. I needed to get that off my shoulders.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
That's on him, right, I know.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
But it was. It was awesome.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
It was so hot in Phendelphia and it was like
ninety five degrees it was outside but covered. And then
they were like, okay, and here's your regalia and it
was this like polyesterh Yeah, there all gown and I
was wearing this light khaki set like a pants and best.
I sweat all the way through it. And then I
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had to give the gown back to that gross and
I wanted to die because I what was a light
khaki set was now a dark khaki set in select spots.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
It was really cool.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
She's got rain. Hey how about that he wave country?
You know, uh, get in the toxins. Now you had
a big moment.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Last week. I was in Massachusetts visiting my parents. I
got to see my son beat my father in tennis.
Now I got to see him like one on one.
They were building it up as the match of the century.
My dad was very confident he could still get it done.
So to see that sort of passing of the torch
and my dad handle the loss just as poorly as
when we would beat him like as kids.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Oh stuff was amazing.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
I love that.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
I was in Brooklyn. I was helping my twin sister, Maddie,
the scientist. We've talked about her on the show before,
helping her move. I don't recommend carrying boxes of couches
up a third floor walk up, but I.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Feel like boxes of couches.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Yet her couch.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
Came in six different pieces, so each one of the pieces,
you know, goes up the three sets of stairs in
a heat wave. Might I also add, but I love her?
Speaker 5 (03:31):
I love her.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
It also seems like that's the last time that I'll
have at a certain point in life. You realize, like,
let's grow up and get some help with these movies.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
But you're I'll accept it.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I was the help.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
You're not quite there. I know I'm the same she did.
I'm telling her to grow up.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
You to grow up, and like, next time around, We're
not doing it this way. I'm excited about this show.
We're going to talk about what we've learned in this
year together. How do you even quantify it in terms
of the see you next Tuesday crew. It could be life,
It can be football. Some of it definitely should be football,
but it can be anything, anything that you've learned over
the last year. And one of the things that I've
learned is we can't take one of these shows on
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Tuesday without having an Aaron Rodgers story. Whether it was
like Robert Salad getting fired, it's Aaron Rodgers adjacent. There
was all this other jet stuff that was always happening
on Tuesday. It's been a lot of Rogers talk this
offseason in general, and so we'll just start there because
that's the news of it all. But that is one
thing I learned was just like that Tuesday is a
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day to talk Rogers, and he was on the Pat
McAfee Show on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Let's listen to what he had to say.
Speaker 7 (04:36):
I didn't need this, you know, I didn't need it
at all. I don't feel the need to prove anything
to anybody, or don't have any chip on my shoulder
that I need to hold on to. I don't want
the attention. I know that's a narrative out there. When
this is all done, it's Kaisers said, you won't see me.
I won't be in the public I don't want to
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live a public.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Life, promise.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
This sounds like a job for CJ consulting.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
It does, it does?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
That's Colleen and Jordan consulting for anyone out there that
needs any type of consulting, any title.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Literally, any type of consulting. We got it all.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
He says that it's likely his final season in the
NFL on the on the Pat McVie Show, I'm pretty
sure it is, and then we won't see him. And
one way I think the consulting firm could make their
money is and say, like, if you don't like a
narrative that's out there, don't say the narrative that's out
there and push against it. It makes you seem like
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that it bothers.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
You on the internet that I'm mad. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
The interesting thing is, Okay, So this is a man
who has been in the public eye for over twenty
years at this point, certainly at the highest level of
the NFL, but also for other reasons, his own his beliefs,
his personal opinions and comments that are often shared on
the Pat McAfee show every week, and also was a
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possible and sort of leaked candidate for like a vice
presidential campaign as well.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
So I'm my point of all of this, I really am.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
I really want to know what if he's being if
he's being honest here, what shifted, because this was very
much a person who was in the spotlight and wants
to be in the public eye for him, if he's
being truthful about what he's saying now, I am I'm
deeply curious to know kind of what's been happening over
the last couple of months, or.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
You nobody watched his Netflix doc.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
In his heath that was it in his life.
Speaker 6 (06:30):
Really, I'm really curious to know, like what the psychological
shift here was, if there indeed is one, right.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I mean, I think that going on McAfee every week
is something that he's choosing to do while saying that
he doesn't want the extra attention, and he goes on
McAfee and talks about all sorts of stuff. So if
you don't want to be in the public eye, you
could just be a quarterback that doesn't do any of
the extra curricular things. It doesn't seem like he needs
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the money or just exactly you could be a little
bit more anonymous. But he is Aaron Rodgers and that
comes with a territory. He's had a great career. He's
still a really good well talent in terms of when
you look back at all of the quarterbacks that have
played in this league.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
But he's so polarizing.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
And when he says that he doesn't have a chip
on his shoulder, and he says it in a way
that you are like, of course, you have a chip
on your shoulder, it sounds like you have a chip
on your shoulder.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
Like, and it's okay to have a chip on your
shoulder you're a football player, Like you need to build
those kind of like false ghosts or enemies up. All
of the greats, all the legends in the sport have
done that in order to push themselves into more competitive territory.
I think it's fine if he had like this whole
like seeking peace. I think there's like a duality happening
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here with him. And I'm not going to try to
psychoanalyze this person, I promise, But like I remember watching
Andrew Whitworth and the preparation that he took in the
off season when he knew it was going to be
his last year, and he knew that the RAM we're
going to try to go for a Super Bowl, and
he was forty years old and he's going to be
the oldest left tackle playing in history, and like he
he put his body and his mind through absolute, uh,
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just the most exaggerated regimen and training and like made
it very clear that this was he's going all out.
This is not a this is not a seeking of peace,
of joy, of happiness kind of the things that Aaron
Rodgers is talking about he wants and it's okay to
want those things, but if you're trying to go out
without the bad taste in your mouth, the rare thing
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that nobody in football, almost nobody gets to do that,
very small outliers such as Andrew Whitworth got to do
win a Super Bowl and then say he's retiring, like
you have to, you have to let the demon out
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
I think it's okay.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I think he's just lowering expectations. It's to himself too.
I think he The main reason he's coming back seems
to be he wants to go out on a better note. Yeah,
on a better note, but yeah, he he knows there's
got to be part of him that's not fully confident
in that because of the way that he played last
year and the way it went, And so he's going
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into it saying, this is likely my last year. Ultimately,
this is kind of a nothing burger of a story
because a, it would be likely his last year if
he didn't play well anyways, and then me, he's saying likely,
so if he played, you know, he might change his
mind because he if he does play well. But it
seems to be setting the expectations low enough that no
matter what happens, he's gonna be okay with that because
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he knows in his heart like he's going to have
to be okay with it. He doesn't know if it's
gonna go well, And it just seems like a bad
way if you're a Steelers fan and you're hearing like,
this is probably it.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I've only got one more where I don't really need
to do this.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
You keep hearing that phrase that it's a cliche, But
it's a cliche because because it's true that like, once
you're already thinking about retirement, you're kind of you're kind
of half retired, and I just don't expect it to
go well.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Also, he just sounds so defeated, and in terms of
just energy and people and vibes that you're putting out there,
he just doesn't sound ever like he's happy. He always
sounds like there's like he's just like underlying, he's just angry.
And I hate that for him, And so I'm doing
essentially the thing that I hate that men do to
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women when they're like why.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Don't you smile? More like why why are you so angry?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
But I'm kind of like I don't know, like if
the vibes were a little bit more positive, maybe we
would be more positive.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I mean everyone like he's hanging out with the coaches.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
I'm i gonna regret this listening to the Trexel speech
right now.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
All right, that's enough time on Aaron Rodgers. We did it.
We did it, uh well, all year all year long.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
But it is an interesting way to frame this season
for Rogers. We'll see if he makes it through, we
might we might see will Hart Howard starting games by
the end of the Steelers season. If it does not
go well. All right, what we've learned this is very
open ended. Why don't we start with with Colleen It can.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Be in okay.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
I will then start with defensive coordinators, new defensive coordinators.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Year one defensive coordinators.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
They made a fantastic first impression. I feel like last
year when you look around the league in Baltimore, in Miami,
in Green Bay with the Chargers, even though Mike McDonald
is a defensive coach, in Seattle, even his DC did
a really good job. And all of those places, they
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all made a significant change to the defense. They kind
of put their own stamp on it and all finished
as top ten defenses in EPA. So when you think
about what zach Orr did in Baltimore, he made those
changes to the secondary and then all of a sudden
that looked like a totally different unit. And then in
Miami after mcfangio, Miami.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Why do I do it?
Speaker 4 (11:55):
I don't know in my head every time when mcfangio left,
just the change there, they kind of went back to
basics and made things a little bit simpler. And then
obviously the Chargers they moved Derwin James around. So just
all of these first year defensive coordinators kind of made
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their mark on the defenses and did a really good job.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
So I'm interested to.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
See how that plays with some of the new DC's
coming in this year.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Yeah, and I Liam, Yeah, yeah, I liked. I like
this point too, because you noted the adjustments that several
of these coordinators had to make.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
Midway through the year.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
Zach Orr was just getting piled on locally for the
way that the nationally even too with the way that
so he had to come in and lost almost all
of the relevant assistant coaches on that staff because they
all got hired out at the same time.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Mike McDonald got hired out.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
He has to come in and not only coach up
and prepare and like onboard new assistants to him, but
also learned this job for the first time, a very
young still in his thirties defensive coordinator, former player, and
then goes and makes these adjustments. And there was like
some chatter externally about like Dan P's and his involvement,
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and what I know to be true based on asking
some questions into that situation is no, zach Orr took
a very egolest and technical approach to like, hey, this
isn't working, so we have to change this. And zach
Orr led the way on those things and kept the
team together and kept the defense together. And I think
him and Jesse Minter and Kris Shula in Los Angeles,
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those three, even though statistically the Rams still finished on
shaky ground in terms of especially their run defense, one
of the worst in the league, but you could see
all of these young new defensive coordinators and Mike McDonald's
unit in Seattle develop over time and get better and
better and start to build that momentum forward and they
hope clearly to carry that through into twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Five as well.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah, like or kind of follow the same path as
as Mike McDonald there and Baltimore who struggled early in
the succeeded late. And so I was thinking, Okay, this trend,
spinning it forward a little bit, thinking about the new
dcs this year.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Cincinnati, a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, Al Golden is a good pick to potentially turn
things around, and a guy who hasn't been in the NFL,
you know, as a coordinator.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
He's coming from Notre Dame most recently.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
But a lot of the names who are being asked
to turn things around are guys who have done it before.
Steve Wilkes is the Jets defensive coordinator. I feel like
he hasn't gotten any pop, but has a lot of
good players to work with. Matt Eberflus is now the
Cowboys defensive coordinator. I've talked about Dennis Allen on this
show a little bit. You've got the Mike Rabel slash
Terrell Williams combo in with the Patriots. So we'll see,
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like out of that group, which new defensive coordinat Brandon
Staley's back back in Our Lives, It's a lot of
guys who.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Are the interesting last year, second time around, the year
of the new. This year will be the year of
the retread, but in a positive way, I think, because
I think.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
All Sala is another one yet.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Yeah, and I think all.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
Those people you named, I think they were really good
defensive coordinators when they were defensive coordinators specifically. So oh,
I think this is going to be exciting and the
league needs it. You know, the league is seeing this
defensive renaissance where defenses are right on pace with what
offenses are trying to do. It's not this ripple effect
of it takes you a couple of years to now
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adjust to. The schematic shifts in the league right now
are neck and neck right now, and I just think
it's interesting because offensive coaches will then have to find
another edge.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I am going to go with something I learned for
our season finale, and that's that Sam Darnold has mein character,
energy and I.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Just didn't expect it. Now.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
How that plays out moving forward, I don't know. But he,
I feel like, was the player most talked about on
this show, mam man.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Other than Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
He proved you so right and made me apologize and
proved me so wrong until he didn't, and then he
was like the worst of all Sam Donald's when it
mattered the most, and now it's spinning it forward like
you couldn't write it up any better than he's literally
displacing my guy Gino Smith in sort of this one
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on one battle of like, all right, who's who's really
going to be better here? Obviously it's like a different
situation now, but I like it. Yeah, it's in a
different system, but it's it's much in my head, and
it is a big change for a guy who, yes,
he was talked about a lot for his standing in
the NFL, but statistically, you know, over the first six
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years of his careers, he either wasn't playing or was
one of the worst players at his position in the league.
And I just did not necessarily expect that he would
have a part of his career where he truly was
one of the main characters of the NFL last season,
and I think is going to be this season, and
certainly was in the offseason. So like, if nothing else,
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he's conquered See you next Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Just so many surprises await us happening in the future
and next season.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
No one expected that to happen. I love it.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
No, almost no one. No press is bat effected, right,
but Colleen predicted it.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
I mean, can you really I haven't and Sam Darnol
I have the text. No, I know, but when he
played like two of the worst games by any quarterback
in the biggest of spots, can you really like stand
up and be like that was amazing?
Speaker 5 (17:16):
I do?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
I look at the full body of work.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Greg he actually yeah, he copped to it. Mike Silver
wrote a good piece in The Athletic where he talked about, like, hey, look,
I know what the defenses did to me in the
last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
We were problematic, and I am going to try to
fix them.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Yeah, And that kind of leads me to what I
learned in my first year of See You Next Tuesday Shows,
which is I cannot wait for season two of Quarterback Island.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
You guys, Oh my god.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
It's not only did I learn so much about both
of you psychologically as well as our puddy Steve Wish,
but it was like such a fun year to have
this type of dialogue where you're not necessarily ranking quarterbacks
one after another after another, but talking about like the
halves versus the have nots, and like between the strong
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rookie seasons from several of the year's draftees, Jaden Daniels
who made it onto the Island at the end of
the year, Drake May entering year two as one of
the more exciting quarterbacks, and like bo Nix, who got
a such a strong argument made for him for the
Island by our friend Steve Wish, did not make it
on but really could at some point early next season,
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and then maybe Caleb Williams also finally gets his feet
under him. The year two quarterbacks. Oh, I want you
to read Colleen screen. I'm reading her screen right now.
It says quarterback Island. I learned that quarterback Island is
confusing and can only exist in the Bermuda triangle. It's true,
it is true, and we had certain people try to
cheat last year as well.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
We won't get into that.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
But I love the dynamics that we're getting into, Like
I think we're in like this golden era of quarterbacking. Really,
I think that we're seeing so many ways to do this,
so many ways to do this job at such an
elite level, at such an ex despite the fact that
passing is down across the league right now, It's so
much fun because you have this like dichotomy of these
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second year players that are coming in that are very very,
very exciting.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
Mike Panics. I've talked a lot about him as well.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
And then you have like the old guard, the guy,
a guy like Aaron Rodgers who we have talked about
almost every week on this show, who is trying to
go out on a positive note. You also have like
old badasses like Matthew Stafford, like Gino Smith, who one
of whom G know is is on a new team
and trying to really leave his mark there. And Matthew
Stafford who's trying to go out, you know, on a
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Hall of Fame note. And I just think this is
going to be such a fascinating year of quarterback play
cam Ward coming in, It's just going to be really,
really fun. And I learned that as chaotic as the
show can be, and as some people betray me to
my core w with their with their cheating, you.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Know, it's I don't remember any any.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Two words, ripcord, ripcord.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
And the rules are all very complicated, like no one,
no one even remember the rules in the moment we
will have to clarify.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yet, So if you missed QUB Island.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
It is the exercise where, yeah, we keep the very
best quarterbacks in the league on the island, who defines
the position? Started out at twelve. We reduced the number
at some point. I don't remember how much too, And
that was one of my takeaways too, I guess how
could it not be QB Island? Was that a quarterback
can be unworthy of QB Island and you can win
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a championship, huh, which is really and I don't think
I actually don't think that those things that they are
necessarily at odds. It's just been a while so we
feel uncomfortable with that. But I don't think over the
course of the regular season, which is the last time
we had done Quarterback Island, that Jalen Hurts deserve to
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be on there. And if we go through historically, it
used to happen more often. So I went through this century.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
You did OK.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
In a fictional world where we were doing Quarterback Island
back then, I found seven or eight guys who won
the Super Bowl that wouldn't have been on Quarterback Island
their season.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Nick Foles, of course wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Doesn't mean you're not playing great when you win the
Super Bowl because Jalen Hurts played his best and.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
The very place he's on a dinghy next to the eye.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
He played his best.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
If he had played like that all season, like he
was there, Peyton Manning in twenty fifteen wouldn't have been
anywhere close.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Joe Flacco again absolutely.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Incredible in the playoffs, but he would not have been
on quarterback Eli Manning had a really bad O seven
before that run that he had.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
He was kind of incredible in eleven.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I'll give him that, and then what Brad Johnson in
two whatever, the Ravens were thrown out there, Trent Dilfer
by the end in two thousand. So it happens, And
that's my way of defending Jalen Hurts not being on.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
It's almost like quarterback island, as opposed to the typical
rankings so often released, is a much more nuanced and
valuable vessel by which to discuss the absolute range of
not only quarterbacks but the teams around them in a
way that does not limit them into one thing or another,
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or a box with a number next to it, but
instead an island island.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, that said, if he had been playing where he
would have like earned Oh, for sure, a box at
like six by most metric, like he would have been
on the island three years before when they made the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, I do feel bad about that.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
I mean, well, he's a shoe. He's a shoe in
for our first vote. Honestly for this next season.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
He will be on it, all right, everyone on the island.
Sometimes one's going to be off.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Sometimes he's a quarterback, can be, you know, a facilitator,
a product of the people around him, like lean on
them and the running game.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Are you saying he's a system quarterback.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I mean I'm saying they built well around him. Let's
take a quick break. We'll go do some more lessons
from this season after this back on NFL Daily. It's
clear nobody knows the rules. It's a quarterback. I was
(23:08):
told it's not the rip chord. It's the ripped tide.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
Yes, but you called it the rip chord when you
pulled the most diabolical of all moves to get Gino
on the isisland.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
We'll get everyone on the same page for season two.
I think a little bit of mystery is good, a
little bit of misunderstanding.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Yeah, it's good. Podcast.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
It seems like chaos a bit.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I love chaos. Let's let's talk what else we learned.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Okay, I learned that I was wrong about the Colts again.
I'll just throw out a couple quick ones. That Liam
Cohen can sing. We like that, that there's no tapping
out in football. Annie Richardson can't do that. That the
Eagles don't have a passing game problem. That's that was solved.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Jordan, we're like fourteenth in DVOA in the regular Dan.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
I learned that you're a gamer.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Right.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Didn't you talk about some video game one episode?
Speaker 6 (24:05):
No?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
What wasn't it?
Speaker 6 (24:07):
Like?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
All right, it's like softwriting here. It was Settlers of Catan,
a board game.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
She's a gamer, everybody.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Yeah, old school, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I had no idea it was a game. Okay, scratch
that one.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Weirdly, that actually makes you seem way cooler that you
didn't know what.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Yeah, and we're still learning.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
I learned something about you, was your Colleen. I learned that,
by any means necessary, if I have the opportunity to
tee you up to roast the New York Giants, I
have to take set opportunities. So Colleen, well, I have
you yeah, do you have any comments about the New
York Giants.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Well, I actually learned that the Giants fans need a
lot of self care, and whether that's like going to Belmar,
the Beach or Asbury Park. Just there's been a lot
of l's that Giants fans have taken and and I'm
worried about you guys, honestly, like I want the best
for you. Uh you know, Saquon Barkley, the Eagles winning
the Super Bowl, Daniel Jones getting cut despite that large
(25:11):
like guaranteed contract, just so many things.
Speaker 8 (25:14):
So maybe take a book. No, oh, you could take
a book out of the Eagles library and maybe read
a little in her excellence.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
See where that takes.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
You, not not the Giants fan strength.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
No read Oh okay, I didn't say that too far, all.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Right, called dare you?
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I mean these are people.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Also, I learned that Jordan tries to suppress her dark side,
but it's way more fun when.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
She embraces it. I love it.
Speaker 8 (25:44):
And she's got a lot of problems with your tumbler
over there, that thermous.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Can you too?
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I hate it?
Speaker 6 (25:53):
So it's just okay, So Greg, we've been on a journey.
He has a he has a new, a new tumbler today. Yes,
we've been on a journey because they're off screen, off camera,
behind the screen that we're looking at right now, there
is a large stanley.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Should I go get it?
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Yeah, there's a large Stanley. It's a great They're.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Amazing, fascinating stuff.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
It's yeah, well you're just you're just mad because you
you've been noticed doing all of these things, right, So
it is, it's massive, it's a great, it's a great stanley.
Now I will say it has not been washed.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
It also had a leg.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
It had a lid with a straw, but Greg removed
the lid with the straw because he felt that sipping
out of a straw was infantilizing. So uh, then now
it's been this open container just sitting here that he
leaves in the studio and it drives me absolutely insane.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
It is. It drives me nuts.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
So it's four next, it's it's empty.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
It's just this thing that sits here with no cover.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
It's open and it just sits here in the studio
and it's just like it's not I mean, if you
look at it.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Right, But why would that be interesting to the listener?
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Because Colleen brought it up something she learned about you?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yeah, are you something actually? Something I learned about both
of you today.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I mean you're taking shots at at what was a
gift from my wife that that though it.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
Is a great gift me is awesome. Your treatment of
the Stanley is what I.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
What am I going to do with it? Leave it
in a glass case or something. What are you supposed
to do?
Speaker 5 (27:38):
It's you're supposed to take care of it.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I wash it. They have they have the little where.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Is the lid slid clean?
Speaker 3 (27:44):
To you get rid of that's you know, that's questionable.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
It will not be used anymore though, because Jordan has
has replaced it, which is controversial, Like this is a beautiful.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
It doesn't have Okay, I looked for I looked for
one without a sippy straw, Greg, because you went on
a whole rant about how infantalizing the sippy straw.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
It's so good.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I can't we see you? It does. There is something
about yes, sucking out of a big wow. What seems
like it's like what babies did.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Right in infant? Yeah, yeah, that's the root word.
Speaker 8 (28:14):
Anyway, real run game has been revitalized. The revitalization of
run games in top offenses across the league, and how
offenses all over not only are running the ball more,
but they're doing it more successfully, and they're using it
as an emphasis to develop more chunk plays. And we
just haven't seen it at the rate that they did
it last year in a while.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
Yeah, I love this. I had something on this too
about what we learned. We learned something about where scheme
is going every year, and that's what's so fun about
the NFL is it changes faster than ever. And this
year and last year as well, it certainly did. I
think we learned right now exactly where we are in
terms of the constant cyclical nature of the league. It's
almost like if you were just going to draw a
(28:56):
giant circular timeline and have these little flash points on
around it like a clock. Where we're at right now
is passing is down. The revitalization of the run game,
like you said, Colleen, and the shift toward larger personnel,
particularly on the interior of the offensive lines, and a
more diverse running scheme than ever. And so what I
(29:17):
think NFL teams, which are led largely by offensive minded
coaches and helmed by better quarterback play than we've seen
in decades, if ever in the NFL. I think that
they're not going to be able to take this. They're
not going to be able to bear it. That passing
is down, and I think that you're going to want
to see them want to keep the physicality that they've
(29:40):
established with the run game, which will lead to another
point in the cycle that we have seen return over
and over, which is the resurgence of multiple tight ends.
You saw how teams drafted this year bringing in one
or two or adding a dynamic pass catching tight end
to their roster, especially as early as some of these
tight ends and like Joker tight ends went in the draft.
This I think you're going to start to see that
(30:01):
so you can keep the physicality of the run game.
Heavier personnel sets. Again, this all has happened before, but
we're at this point now where you're going to see
more tight ends, more tight end. You should more twelve personnel,
but hybrid like eleven and a half where you could
see those one of those players be a receiver, a
power slot. I think you're still going to see the
power slot. And then of course defenses react. We started
(30:22):
seeing you three safeties being used all over the league.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Last year you mentioned Derwin James.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
Earlier, Colleen started seeing, especially these ascending young coordinators using
their safeties in particular close to the line of scrimmage
in the box while not sacrificing, you know, the extra
players defending the pass. Is it happens every seven or
eight years or so. But I do think that what
is so crystal clear because of the amount of information
(30:48):
we have, the amount of film we have access to,
and the way that things can move faster than ever,
we're able to see like exactly the moment, exactly the
flashpoint that we are at in the league right now.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, it's fascinating. That's really well said.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
And the thing is, like passing is still extremely efficient
compared to almost all historical comparisons. So it's a little
overstated because running has made attempts are down right, running
has made attempts that running has made some games in
terms of its efficiency, but compared to the history of
the league, like, passing is still extremely efficient.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
It's just like a slower sport.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
So points are down like a little bit, but we're
nowhere near where we were, like let's say at two
thousand or even at like two thousand and eight or
it's nothing like that. So I am curious to see if,
like it does keep cranking up, and whether there are
there are ways for the defenses to stop and whether
and I think running dominates more.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
I think that quarterbacks are too good right now to
have this not break wide open at some point, Like
teams want their quarterbacks to run their offense, they want
to pass the ball. Coaches offensive mining coaches cannot stand
to not pass explosively like they have to do it.
But I do think it's interesting because you're going to
see a lot of that, Like when I say we're
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going back to like the multiple tight ends, that's we
certainly can see that trending that way with a lot
of these different teams. But I don't think they're going
to use you know, heavy personnel to run the ball
or get short yardage gains just you know, up the
middle of the field. I think you're going to see
a combination of all of these eleven personnel concepts that
have taken the league by storm over the last almost
(32:25):
a decade, and you're going to also see them start
to be run through these hybrid players. A lot of
them will be tight ends or larger receivers. You're seeing
all these trends, the way that Vegas drafted, the way
that the Bills drafted, the way that uh yeah, the
way that Chicago drafted, the way that the Packers have
been playing, a little bit, the way that the Rams
have been playing. The forty nine ers were doing this
with much heavier personnel years ago, Like you're going to
(32:46):
start to see that. And then, of course defenses now
are trying to stay ahead of that curve and draft
these about fullback, big safeties.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Full backs. They're kind of coming back.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
It's like they kind of always are.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
They are always hanging on credit.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Think'st one now, but yeah, there's a couple of them
hanging around. I learned that see you next Tuesday means
something different In Australia.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
We are we are aware of that, and what you
don't want to know. We didn't know.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
That and sweep me and tell me what it means.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Right, We're not gonna just change what we do, but
now we're aware and and maybe maybe we will change
it in the future.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I don't know. It's not up to us. We're just dumb.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Americal under pressure.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
I thought it was just America our group chat.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
Yeah, because that's what we say when we leave Tuesday
the studios.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
What does it mean it's with an s C.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Yeah, Colleen, I learned that Greg doesn't need to sleep
after international trips, which sets a terrible precedent for everyone
else at the company.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Oh I forgot about that.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Oh my god, who needs it?
Speaker 5 (33:48):
What a week that was?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Oh my god, was wild Greg?
Speaker 1 (33:51):
That you That sets up something else that that I
learned too, which is like I can I can lean
on you guys on these shows.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
So I thank you very much for that.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
You're welcome, because even on a normal Tuesday, it was
very much. You know, you have the Sunday show, you
got the doubleheader. Sometimes I'm doing the Monday night football
thing in London and then another and then this show
is like very fast the next morning, and so I
just I just show up and I just like you
guys carry the way, so you know, it's very It's
(34:23):
like Jay, I'm like in that case, it's like a
bad Jalen Hurts game and you guys are the offensive
line Barkley, AJ Brown, you guys are just carrying me.
Speaker 6 (34:35):
On that note, though, I will say one thing I've
learned from the both of you is like the discipline
and infrastructure of preparation, of.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Work of being.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
So I mean, you guys should see you've seen him, Greg,
but the listeners you need to see Colleen's notes at
some point because there are pages. I mean, the preparation
I too well. I love being around people who work
so hard, Like I love that, and I know this
is I'm being overly earnest whatever, but like I have
learned that from you. I've learned courage from you, and
(35:09):
I've learned discipline and like how to push uh and
innovate from you. And I just that's something that's been
so cool for me this year. It's just getting to
be around you guys every week.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Oh Jordan, it's so sweet.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
You're You're too nice. And now I think you've reached
the part of the show. Greg.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Feel really I always learned new words from Jordan, and
I'm always like, oh, I want that one, and I
gotta I gotta work that one into the lexicon.
Speaker 8 (35:34):
That's a cool word, Like what's that one? So yeah,
it's been a real learning experience.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
It has been amazing.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
And and this this little tumbler that I put water
in what do you call it.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I don't know. It's about symbolic and it came with
a car card.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Centializing cards.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Cards were a big part of the year because we
learned from our listeners.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
That that was one of my favorite Everyone.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Deserves at Christmas start Oh my God episode Everyone Deserves
a Christmas Card. So if you want to start sending
your holiday cards to Colleen Wolf care of NFL Network,
uh in early, you know, you can start sending them now.
But that was very nice. Yeah, and Jordan's Jordan gave
a card here, uh with the tumblr.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
With the tumblr also, just to be clear to the listener,
I know we joked about the the tumblr, the grossness
of the old one, the way that it was treated.
It's a great gift, but the mistreatment of it bothered me.
So we have one without a straw and with a lid.
And it was a part of a thank you gift
to Greg okay.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
And you you guys suggested to read this.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
Yeah, I don't actually, I want to be clear, I
don't remember quite remember what I wrote in it.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
So so you said, at the risk of being earnest,
but no, this this uh, this Tuesday has been a
beautiful oasis of great vibes and picks me up and
has been really fun, and we're gonna do it again,
and there's there is no we're going to run. There
is no cliffhanger here. Jordan, you're going to be back,
and Colleen you're not going anywhere, so we'll get to
(37:05):
do this again.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
There is no dramatic Cliffin.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Tuesday season two.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
You go.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Are you sure you want me to read? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
Let me read it first to make sure with all.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
It's I'm sure it's great.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Oh yeah, you could read this, Okay, yeah, yeah, Thank
you for making me.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Oh, it's really more about me. I thought it was
going to be.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
It's a thank you card.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Thank you for.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Making me smarter, a harder worker, better thinker, a person
who thinks about a collaborative partnership, a better friend, less fearful,
and for changing my life twice this year. Oh, your
only flaws in my mind are your baker disdain and
your water bottle situation. Luckily I can fix one of
(37:49):
these issues.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Cheers to the future.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Jordan, Oh what a season one this was? What are
you crying?
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I'm not crying. He's not even close to cry.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
I'm thinking about.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
How he doesn't have a harp.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
I'm he's thinking about how hard I'm going to come
after him on the baker Stuff Next Island.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
It definitely made me feel a little emotional.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
I felt something.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
I feel things all the time.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
I can't what would one do if you were to cry?
Speaker 1 (38:17):
It's always happening, Like I just need to be like
watching something. Have you guys watched the Pit yet? I
feel like I'm watching the Pit. I am at a
permanent state of like there are just kind of tears
sitting there and then every fifteen minutes or so, because
it's like life and death all the time.
Speaker 6 (38:35):
Greg tell you one of the things he learned about
me this year is that I schedule my cries. What
like get a I do a real good reset cry,
like I'll read something a book that's like really really sad,
or watch like I do a reset. It's like I
schedule it's on the calendar.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Girl, I don't need to schedule my cries. They just
go naturally.
Speaker 6 (38:54):
Get Another topic we addressed at our company c J Consulting.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yeah, look forward to season two, can't Wait. Colleen cries
emotionally stable, and.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
It's not just because of what's going to happen to
the Eagles next season.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
We will be back.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
This is not our last episode before we go to
that series that I'm excited about. By the way, we
have some exciting guests for the series. Kevin Harlan's going
to be on Mean Chimes is going to be on
Brian Baldinger, so that's going to be running starting next week.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
But we do have one more show to.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Go this week or this will be the last one, Okanks, Guys,
I don't know when we'll be back together. We're back
daily July twenty first, but the three of us when
we'll be back together, who.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Knows, maybe before Tuesday. I hope you will pull the
last one on everyone.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
We could do it somewhere else. Thank you Jordan for
the card for the bottle.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Football's not back.
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we can't wait to see
what the Season one cliffhanger is going to be from
the SeeU next Tuesday crew, Yes, for the last time
in season one. I don't know why we're calling it
season one. It's Greg Rosenthal, Jordan Rodriege of The Athletic,
and Colleen Wolf in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
What is happening?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Can't believe it's been a year.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
We are yeah, I mean kind of a year as
a crew. I went back and checked, but we are
breaking at least for a few weeks. It's the NFL
off season. We've got an exciting series that's going to
be coming up on NFL Daily. But it'll be a
little while before we all get back together. They'll probably
be sending you around during training camp to all over
(00:47):
the place, so I don't know when we'll be back
together again. So, yes, this is the season one finale.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Greg.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
This is called celebrating an anniversary. Yes, okay, so like this,
this is what you do you celebrate friendship.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
It's been one year.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Technically it's a couple weeks where a couple weeks away. Gift.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I don't know where you you took a couple more
weeks to show up, if I.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Remember correctly, to the Future of this World I.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Met last year. But yeah, I didn't hear about that.
How was the Drexel commencements.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Oh it was good. I haven't posted anything yet. I'm
really backlocked, so I have to go back. But it
was nice. It was fun.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
It was good.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
It turned out not too bad. I got some laughs,
some of my jokes landed. Got an applause when I
even went into a political situation that was very risky and.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
It worked so off love that.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Oh that is amazing.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
It's very cool.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
It was really life moment. And for your dad to
be able to I watched that. I can only imagine
how how proud you well.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
And I apologize to my dad for telling him that
H and M was a bookstore on campus when it
came up on the credit card, because that just, you know,
to get them. I needed to get that off my shoulders.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
That's on him, right, I know.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
But it was. It was awesome.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
It was so hot in Phendelphia and it was like
ninety five degrees it was outside but covered. And then
they were like, okay, and here's your regalia and it
was this like polyesterh Yeah, there all gown and I
was wearing this light khaki set like a pants and best.
I sweat all the way through it. And then I
(02:21):
had to give the gown back to that gross and
I wanted to die because I what was a light
khaki set was now a dark khaki set in select spots.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
It was really cool.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
She's got rain. Hey how about that he wave country?
You know, uh, get in the toxins. Now you had
a big moment.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Last week. I was in Massachusetts visiting my parents. I
got to see my son beat my father in tennis.
Now I got to see him like one on one.
They were building it up as the match of the century.
My dad was very confident he could still get it done.
So to see that sort of passing of the torch
and my dad handle the loss just as poorly as
when we would beat him like as kids.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Oh stuff was amazing.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
I love that.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
I was in Brooklyn. I was helping my twin sister, Maddie,
the scientist. We've talked about her on the show before,
helping her move. I don't recommend carrying boxes of couches
up a third floor walk up, but I.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Feel like boxes of couches.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Yet her couch.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
Came in six different pieces, so each one of the pieces,
you know, goes up the three sets of stairs in
a heat wave. Might I also add, but I love her?
Speaker 5 (03:31):
I love her.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
It also seems like that's the last time that I'll
have at a certain point in life. You realize, like,
let's grow up and get some help with these movies.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
But you're I'll accept it.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I was the help.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
You're not quite there. I know I'm the same she did.
I'm telling her to grow up.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
You to grow up, and like, next time around, We're
not doing it this way. I'm excited about this show.
We're going to talk about what we've learned in this
year together. How do you even quantify it in terms
of the see you next Tuesday crew. It could be life,
It can be football. Some of it definitely should be football,
but it can be anything, anything that you've learned over
the last year. And one of the things that I've
learned is we can't take one of these shows on
(04:07):
Tuesday without having an Aaron Rodgers story. Whether it was
like Robert Salad getting fired, it's Aaron Rodgers adjacent. There
was all this other jet stuff that was always happening
on Tuesday. It's been a lot of Rogers talk this
offseason in general, and so we'll just start there because
that's the news of it all. But that is one
thing I learned was just like that Tuesday is a
(04:28):
day to talk Rogers, and he was on the Pat
McAfee Show on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Let's listen to what he had to say.
Speaker 7 (04:36):
I didn't need this, you know, I didn't need it
at all. I don't feel the need to prove anything
to anybody, or don't have any chip on my shoulder
that I need to hold on to. I don't want
the attention. I know that's a narrative out there. When
this is all done, it's Kaisers said, you won't see me.
I won't be in the public I don't want to
(04:56):
live a public.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Life, promise.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
This sounds like a job for CJ consulting.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
It does, it does?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
That's Colleen and Jordan consulting for anyone out there that
needs any type of consulting, any title.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Literally, any type of consulting. We got it all.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
He says that it's likely his final season in the
NFL on the on the Pat McVie Show, I'm pretty
sure it is, and then we won't see him. And
one way I think the consulting firm could make their
money is and say, like, if you don't like a
narrative that's out there, don't say the narrative that's out
there and push against it. It makes you seem like
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that it bothers.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
You on the internet that I'm mad. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
The interesting thing is, Okay, So this is a man
who has been in the public eye for over twenty
years at this point, certainly at the highest level of
the NFL, but also for other reasons, his own his beliefs,
his personal opinions and comments that are often shared on
the Pat McAfee show every week, and also was a
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possible and sort of leaked candidate for like a vice
presidential campaign as well.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
So I'm my point of all of this, I really am.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
I really want to know what if he's being if
he's being honest here, what shifted, because this was very
much a person who was in the spotlight and wants
to be in the public eye for him, if he's
being truthful about what he's saying now, I am I'm
deeply curious to know kind of what's been happening over
the last couple of months, or.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
You nobody watched his Netflix doc.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
In his heath that was it in his life.
Speaker 6 (06:30):
Really, I'm really curious to know, like what the psychological
shift here was, if there indeed is one, right.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I mean, I think that going on McAfee every week
is something that he's choosing to do while saying that
he doesn't want the extra attention, and he goes on
McAfee and talks about all sorts of stuff. So if
you don't want to be in the public eye, you
could just be a quarterback that doesn't do any of
the extra curricular things. It doesn't seem like he needs
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the money or just exactly you could be a little
bit more anonymous. But he is Aaron Rodgers and that
comes with a territory. He's had a great career. He's
still a really good well talent in terms of when
you look back at all of the quarterbacks that have
played in this league.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
But he's so polarizing.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
And when he says that he doesn't have a chip
on his shoulder, and he says it in a way
that you are like, of course, you have a chip
on your shoulder, it sounds like you have a chip
on your shoulder.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
Like, and it's okay to have a chip on your
shoulder you're a football player, Like you need to build
those kind of like false ghosts or enemies up. All
of the greats, all the legends in the sport have
done that in order to push themselves into more competitive territory.
I think it's fine if he had like this whole
like seeking peace. I think there's like a duality happening
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here with him. And I'm not going to try to
psychoanalyze this person, I promise, But like I remember watching
Andrew Whitworth and the preparation that he took in the
off season when he knew it was going to be
his last year, and he knew that the RAM we're
going to try to go for a Super Bowl, and
he was forty years old and he's going to be
the oldest left tackle playing in history, and like he
he put his body and his mind through absolute, uh,
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just the most exaggerated regimen and training and like made
it very clear that this was he's going all out.
This is not a this is not a seeking of peace,
of joy, of happiness kind of the things that Aaron
Rodgers is talking about he wants and it's okay to
want those things, but if you're trying to go out
without the bad taste in your mouth, the rare thing
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that nobody in football, almost nobody gets to do that,
very small outliers such as Andrew Whitworth got to do
win a Super Bowl and then say he's retiring, like
you have to, you have to let the demon out
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
I think it's okay.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I think he's just lowering expectations. It's to himself too.
I think he The main reason he's coming back seems
to be he wants to go out on a better note. Yeah,
on a better note, but yeah, he he knows there's
got to be part of him that's not fully confident
in that because of the way that he played last
year and the way it went, And so he's going
(09:09):
into it saying, this is likely my last year. Ultimately,
this is kind of a nothing burger of a story
because a, it would be likely his last year if
he didn't play well anyways, and then me, he's saying likely,
so if he played, you know, he might change his
mind because he if he does play well. But it
seems to be setting the expectations low enough that no
matter what happens, he's gonna be okay with that because
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he knows in his heart like he's going to have
to be okay with it. He doesn't know if it's
gonna go well, And it just seems like a bad
way if you're a Steelers fan and you're hearing like,
this is probably it.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I've only got one more where I don't really need
to do this.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
You keep hearing that phrase that it's a cliche, But
it's a cliche because because it's true that like, once
you're already thinking about retirement, you're kind of you're kind
of half retired, and I just don't expect it to
go well.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Also, he just sounds so defeated, and in terms of
just energy and people and vibes that you're putting out there,
he just doesn't sound ever like he's happy. He always
sounds like there's like he's just like underlying, he's just angry.
And I hate that for him, And so I'm doing
essentially the thing that I hate that men do to
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women when they're like why.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Don't you smile? More like why why are you so angry?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
But I'm kind of like I don't know, like if
the vibes were a little bit more positive, maybe we
would be more positive.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I mean everyone like he's hanging out with the coaches.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
I'm i gonna regret this listening to the Trexel speech
right now.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
All right, that's enough time on Aaron Rodgers. We did it.
We did it, uh well, all year all year long.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
But it is an interesting way to frame this season
for Rogers. We'll see if he makes it through, we
might we might see will Hart Howard starting games by
the end of the Steelers season. If it does not
go well. All right, what we've learned this is very
open ended. Why don't we start with with Colleen It can.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Be in okay.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
I will then start with defensive coordinators, new defensive coordinators.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Year one defensive coordinators.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
They made a fantastic first impression. I feel like last
year when you look around the league in Baltimore, in Miami,
in Green Bay with the Chargers, even though Mike McDonald
is a defensive coach, in Seattle, even his DC did
a really good job. And all of those places, they
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all made a significant change to the defense. They kind
of put their own stamp on it and all finished
as top ten defenses in EPA. So when you think
about what zach Orr did in Baltimore, he made those
changes to the secondary and then all of a sudden
that looked like a totally different unit. And then in
Miami after mcfangio, Miami.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Why do I do it?
Speaker 4 (11:55):
I don't know in my head every time when mcfangio left,
just the change there, they kind of went back to
basics and made things a little bit simpler. And then
obviously the Chargers they moved Derwin James around. So just
all of these first year defensive coordinators kind of made
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their mark on the defenses and did a really good job.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
So I'm interested to.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
See how that plays with some of the new DC's
coming in this year.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Yeah, and I Liam, Yeah, yeah, I liked. I like
this point too, because you noted the adjustments that several
of these coordinators had to make.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
Midway through the year.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
Zach Orr was just getting piled on locally for the
way that the nationally even too with the way that
so he had to come in and lost almost all
of the relevant assistant coaches on that staff because they
all got hired out at the same time.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Mike McDonald got hired out.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
He has to come in and not only coach up
and prepare and like onboard new assistants to him, but
also learned this job for the first time, a very
young still in his thirties defensive coordinator, former player, and
then goes and makes these adjustments. And there was like
some chatter externally about like Dan P's and his involvement,
(13:10):
and what I know to be true based on asking
some questions into that situation is no, zach Orr took
a very egolest and technical approach to like, hey, this
isn't working, so we have to change this. And zach
Orr led the way on those things and kept the
team together and kept the defense together. And I think
him and Jesse Minter and Kris Shula in Los Angeles,
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those three, even though statistically the Rams still finished on
shaky ground in terms of especially their run defense, one
of the worst in the league, but you could see
all of these young new defensive coordinators and Mike McDonald's
unit in Seattle develop over time and get better and
better and start to build that momentum forward and they
hope clearly to carry that through into twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Five as well.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah, like or kind of follow the same path as
as Mike McDonald there and Baltimore who struggled early in
the succeeded late. And so I was thinking, Okay, this trend,
spinning it forward a little bit, thinking about the new
dcs this year.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Cincinnati, a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, Al Golden is a good pick to potentially turn
things around, and a guy who hasn't been in the NFL,
you know, as a coordinator.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
He's coming from Notre Dame most recently.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
But a lot of the names who are being asked
to turn things around are guys who have done it before.
Steve Wilkes is the Jets defensive coordinator. I feel like
he hasn't gotten any pop, but has a lot of
good players to work with. Matt Eberflus is now the
Cowboys defensive coordinator. I've talked about Dennis Allen on this
show a little bit. You've got the Mike Rabel slash
Terrell Williams combo in with the Patriots. So we'll see,
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like out of that group, which new defensive coordinat Brandon
Staley's back back in Our Lives, It's a lot of
guys who.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Are the interesting last year, second time around, the year
of the new. This year will be the year of
the retread, but in a positive way, I think, because
I think.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
All Sala is another one yet.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Yeah, and I think all.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
Those people you named, I think they were really good
defensive coordinators when they were defensive coordinators specifically. So oh,
I think this is going to be exciting and the
league needs it. You know, the league is seeing this
defensive renaissance where defenses are right on pace with what
offenses are trying to do. It's not this ripple effect
of it takes you a couple of years to now
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adjust to. The schematic shifts in the league right now
are neck and neck right now, and I just think
it's interesting because offensive coaches will then have to find
another edge.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I am going to go with something I learned for
our season finale, and that's that Sam Darnold has mein character,
energy and I.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Just didn't expect it. Now.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
How that plays out moving forward, I don't know. But he,
I feel like, was the player most talked about on
this show, mam man.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Other than Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
He proved you so right and made me apologize and
proved me so wrong until he didn't, and then he
was like the worst of all Sam Donald's when it
mattered the most, and now it's spinning it forward like
you couldn't write it up any better than he's literally
displacing my guy Gino Smith in sort of this one
(16:04):
on one battle of like, all right, who's who's really
going to be better here? Obviously it's like a different
situation now, but I like it. Yeah, it's in a
different system, but it's it's much in my head, and
it is a big change for a guy who, yes,
he was talked about a lot for his standing in
the NFL, but statistically, you know, over the first six
(16:26):
years of his careers, he either wasn't playing or was
one of the worst players at his position in the league.
And I just did not necessarily expect that he would
have a part of his career where he truly was
one of the main characters of the NFL last season,
and I think is going to be this season, and
certainly was in the offseason. So like, if nothing else,
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he's conquered See you next Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Just so many surprises await us happening in the future
and next season.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
No one expected that to happen. I love it.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
No, almost no one. No press is bat effected, right,
but Colleen predicted it.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
I mean, can you really I haven't and Sam Darnol
I have the text. No, I know, but when he
played like two of the worst games by any quarterback
in the biggest of spots, can you really like stand
up and be like that was amazing?
Speaker 5 (17:16):
I do?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
I look at the full body of work.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Greg he actually yeah, he copped to it. Mike Silver
wrote a good piece in The Athletic where he talked about, like, hey, look,
I know what the defenses did to me in the
last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
We were problematic, and I am going to try to
fix them.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Yeah, And that kind of leads me to what I
learned in my first year of See You Next Tuesday Shows,
which is I cannot wait for season two of Quarterback Island.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
You guys, Oh my god.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
It's not only did I learn so much about both
of you psychologically as well as our puddy Steve Wish,
but it was like such a fun year to have
this type of dialogue where you're not necessarily ranking quarterbacks
one after another after another, but talking about like the
halves versus the have nots, and like between the strong
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rookie seasons from several of the year's draftees, Jaden Daniels
who made it onto the Island at the end of
the year, Drake May entering year two as one of
the more exciting quarterbacks, and like bo Nix, who got
a such a strong argument made for him for the
Island by our friend Steve Wish, did not make it
on but really could at some point early next season,
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and then maybe Caleb Williams also finally gets his feet
under him. The year two quarterbacks. Oh, I want you
to read Colleen screen. I'm reading her screen right now.
It says quarterback Island. I learned that quarterback Island is
confusing and can only exist in the Bermuda triangle. It's true,
it is true, and we had certain people try to
cheat last year as well.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
We won't get into that.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
But I love the dynamics that we're getting into, Like
I think we're in like this golden era of quarterbacking. Really,
I think that we're seeing so many ways to do this,
so many ways to do this job at such an
elite level, at such an ex despite the fact that
passing is down across the league right now, It's so
much fun because you have this like dichotomy of these
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second year players that are coming in that are very very,
very exciting.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
Mike Panics. I've talked a lot about him as well.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
And then you have like the old guard, the guy,
a guy like Aaron Rodgers who we have talked about
almost every week on this show, who is trying to
go out on a positive note. You also have like
old badasses like Matthew Stafford, like Gino Smith, who one
of whom G know is is on a new team
and trying to really leave his mark there. And Matthew
Stafford who's trying to go out, you know, on a
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Hall of Fame note. And I just think this is
going to be such a fascinating year of quarterback play
cam Ward coming in, It's just going to be really,
really fun. And I learned that as chaotic as the
show can be, and as some people betray me to
my core w with their with their cheating, you.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Know, it's I don't remember any any.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Two words, ripcord, ripcord.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
And the rules are all very complicated, like no one,
no one even remember the rules in the moment we
will have to clarify.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yet, So if you missed QUB Island.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
It is the exercise where, yeah, we keep the very
best quarterbacks in the league on the island, who defines
the position? Started out at twelve. We reduced the number
at some point. I don't remember how much too, And
that was one of my takeaways too, I guess how
could it not be QB Island? Was that a quarterback
can be unworthy of QB Island and you can win
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a championship, huh, which is really and I don't think
I actually don't think that those things that they are
necessarily at odds. It's just been a while so we
feel uncomfortable with that. But I don't think over the
course of the regular season, which is the last time
we had done Quarterback Island, that Jalen Hurts deserve to
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be on there. And if we go through historically, it
used to happen more often. So I went through this century.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
You did OK.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
In a fictional world where we were doing Quarterback Island
back then, I found seven or eight guys who won
the Super Bowl that wouldn't have been on Quarterback Island
their season.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Nick Foles, of course wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Doesn't mean you're not playing great when you win the
Super Bowl because Jalen Hurts played his best and.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
The very place he's on a dinghy next to the eye.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
He played his best.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
If he had played like that all season, like he
was there, Peyton Manning in twenty fifteen wouldn't have been
anywhere close.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Joe Flacco again absolutely.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Incredible in the playoffs, but he would not have been
on quarterback Eli Manning had a really bad O seven
before that run that he had.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
He was kind of incredible in eleven.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I'll give him that, and then what Brad Johnson in
two whatever, the Ravens were thrown out there, Trent Dilfer
by the end in two thousand. So it happens, And
that's my way of defending Jalen Hurts not being on.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
It's almost like quarterback island, as opposed to the typical
rankings so often released, is a much more nuanced and
valuable vessel by which to discuss the absolute range of
not only quarterbacks but the teams around them in a
way that does not limit them into one thing or another,
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or a box with a number next to it, but
instead an island island.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, that said, if he had been playing where he
would have like earned Oh, for sure, a box at
like six by most metric, like he would have been
on the island three years before when they made the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, I do feel bad about that.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
I mean, well, he's a shoe. He's a shoe in
for our first vote. Honestly for this next season.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
He will be on it, all right, everyone on the island.
Sometimes one's going to be off.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Sometimes he's a quarterback, can be, you know, a facilitator,
a product of the people around him, like lean on
them and the running game.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Are you saying he's a system quarterback.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I mean I'm saying they built well around him. Let's
take a quick break. We'll go do some more lessons
from this season after this back on NFL Daily. It's
clear nobody knows the rules. It's a quarterback. I was
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told it's not the rip chord. It's the ripped tide.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
Yes, but you called it the rip chord when you
pulled the most diabolical of all moves to get Gino
on the isisland.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
We'll get everyone on the same page for season two.
I think a little bit of mystery is good, a
little bit of misunderstanding.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Yeah, it's good. Podcast.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
It seems like chaos a bit.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I love chaos. Let's let's talk what else we learned.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Okay, I learned that I was wrong about the Colts again.
I'll just throw out a couple quick ones. That Liam
Cohen can sing. We like that, that there's no tapping
out in football. Annie Richardson can't do that. That the
Eagles don't have a passing game problem. That's that was solved.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Jordan, we're like fourteenth in DVOA in the regular Dan.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
I learned that you're a gamer.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Right.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Didn't you talk about some video game one episode?
Speaker 6 (24:05):
No?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
What wasn't it?
Speaker 6 (24:07):
Like?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
All right, it's like softwriting here. It was Settlers of Catan,
a board game.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
She's a gamer, everybody.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Yeah, old school, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I had no idea it was a game. Okay, scratch
that one.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Weirdly, that actually makes you seem way cooler that you
didn't know what.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Yeah, and we're still learning.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
I learned something about you, was your Colleen. I learned that,
by any means necessary, if I have the opportunity to
tee you up to roast the New York Giants, I
have to take set opportunities. So Colleen, well, I have
you yeah, do you have any comments about the New
York Giants.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Well, I actually learned that the Giants fans need a
lot of self care, and whether that's like going to Belmar,
the Beach or Asbury Park. Just there's been a lot
of l's that Giants fans have taken and and I'm
worried about you guys, honestly, like I want the best
for you. Uh you know, Saquon Barkley, the Eagles winning
the Super Bowl, Daniel Jones getting cut despite that large
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like guaranteed contract, just so many things.
Speaker 8 (25:14):
So maybe take a book. No, oh, you could take
a book out of the Eagles library and maybe read
a little in her excellence.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
See where that takes.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
You, not not the Giants fan strength.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
No read Oh okay, I didn't say that too far, all.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Right, called dare you?
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I mean these are people.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Also, I learned that Jordan tries to suppress her dark side,
but it's way more fun when.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
She embraces it. I love it.
Speaker 8 (25:44):
And she's got a lot of problems with your tumbler
over there, that thermous.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Can you too?
Speaker 3 (25:52):
I hate it?
Speaker 6 (25:53):
So it's just okay, So Greg, we've been on a journey.
He has a he has a new, a new tumbler today. Yes,
we've been on a journey because they're off screen, off camera,
behind the screen that we're looking at right now, there
is a large stanley.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Should I go get it?
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Yeah, there's a large Stanley. It's a great They're.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Amazing, fascinating stuff.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
It's yeah, well you're just you're just mad because you
you've been noticed doing all of these things, right, So
it is, it's massive, it's a great, it's a great stanley.
Now I will say it has not been washed.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
It also had a leg.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
It had a lid with a straw, but Greg removed
the lid with the straw because he felt that sipping
out of a straw was infantilizing. So uh, then now
it's been this open container just sitting here that he
leaves in the studio and it drives me absolutely insane.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
It is. It drives me nuts.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
So it's four next, it's it's empty.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
It's just this thing that sits here with no cover.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
It's open and it just sits here in the studio
and it's just like it's not I mean, if you
look at it.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Right, But why would that be interesting to the listener?
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Because Colleen brought it up something she learned about you?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yeah, are you something actually? Something I learned about both
of you today.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I mean you're taking shots at at what was a
gift from my wife that that though it.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
Is a great gift me is awesome. Your treatment of
the Stanley is what I.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
What am I going to do with it? Leave it
in a glass case or something. What are you supposed
to do?
Speaker 5 (27:38):
It's you're supposed to take care of it.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I wash it. They have they have the little where.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Is the lid slid clean?
Speaker 3 (27:44):
To you get rid of that's you know, that's questionable.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
It will not be used anymore though, because Jordan has
has replaced it, which is controversial, Like this is a beautiful.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
It doesn't have Okay, I looked for I looked for
one without a sippy straw, Greg, because you went on
a whole rant about how infantalizing the sippy straw.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
It's so good.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I can't we see you? It does. There is something
about yes, sucking out of a big wow. What seems
like it's like what babies did.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Right in infant? Yeah, yeah, that's the root word.
Speaker 8 (28:14):
Anyway, real run game has been revitalized. The revitalization of
run games in top offenses across the league, and how
offenses all over not only are running the ball more,
but they're doing it more successfully, and they're using it
as an emphasis to develop more chunk plays. And we
just haven't seen it at the rate that they did
it last year in a while.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
Yeah, I love this. I had something on this too
about what we learned. We learned something about where scheme
is going every year, and that's what's so fun about
the NFL is it changes faster than ever. And this
year and last year as well, it certainly did. I
think we learned right now exactly where we are in
terms of the constant cyclical nature of the league. It's
almost like if you were just going to draw a
(28:56):
giant circular timeline and have these little flash points on
around it like a clock. Where we're at right now
is passing is down. The revitalization of the run game,
like you said, Colleen, and the shift toward larger personnel,
particularly on the interior of the offensive lines, and a
more diverse running scheme than ever. And so what I
(29:17):
think NFL teams, which are led largely by offensive minded
coaches and helmed by better quarterback play than we've seen
in decades, if ever in the NFL. I think that
they're not going to be able to take this. They're
not going to be able to bear it. That passing
is down, and I think that you're going to want
to see them want to keep the physicality that they've
(29:40):
established with the run game, which will lead to another
point in the cycle that we have seen return over
and over, which is the resurgence of multiple tight ends.
You saw how teams drafted this year bringing in one
or two or adding a dynamic pass catching tight end
to their roster, especially as early as some of these
tight ends and like Joker tight ends went in the draft.
This I think you're going to start to see that
(30:01):
so you can keep the physicality of the run game.
Heavier personnel sets. Again, this all has happened before, but
we're at this point now where you're going to see
more tight ends, more tight end. You should more twelve personnel,
but hybrid like eleven and a half where you could
see those one of those players be a receiver, a
power slot. I think you're still going to see the
power slot. And then of course defenses react. We started
(30:22):
seeing you three safeties being used all over the league.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Last year you mentioned Derwin James.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
Earlier, Colleen started seeing, especially these ascending young coordinators using
their safeties in particular close to the line of scrimmage
in the box while not sacrificing, you know, the extra
players defending the pass. Is it happens every seven or
eight years or so. But I do think that what
is so crystal clear because of the amount of information
(30:48):
we have, the amount of film we have access to,
and the way that things can move faster than ever,
we're able to see like exactly the moment, exactly the
flashpoint that we are at in the league right now.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, it's fascinating. That's really well said.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
And the thing is, like passing is still extremely efficient
compared to almost all historical comparisons. So it's a little
overstated because running has made attempts are down right, running
has made attempts that running has made some games in
terms of its efficiency, but compared to the history of
the league, like, passing is still extremely efficient.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
It's just like a slower sport.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
So points are down like a little bit, but we're
nowhere near where we were, like let's say at two
thousand or even at like two thousand and eight or
it's nothing like that. So I am curious to see if,
like it does keep cranking up, and whether there are
there are ways for the defenses to stop and whether
and I think running dominates more.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
I think that quarterbacks are too good right now to
have this not break wide open at some point, Like
teams want their quarterbacks to run their offense, they want
to pass the ball. Coaches offensive mining coaches cannot stand
to not pass explosively like they have to do it.
But I do think it's interesting because you're going to
see a lot of that, Like when I say we're
(32:04):
going back to like the multiple tight ends, that's we
certainly can see that trending that way with a lot
of these different teams. But I don't think they're going
to use you know, heavy personnel to run the ball
or get short yardage gains just you know, up the
middle of the field. I think you're going to see
a combination of all of these eleven personnel concepts that
have taken the league by storm over the last almost
(32:25):
a decade, and you're going to also see them start
to be run through these hybrid players. A lot of
them will be tight ends or larger receivers. You're seeing
all these trends, the way that Vegas drafted, the way
that the Bills drafted, the way that uh yeah, the
way that Chicago drafted, the way that the Packers have
been playing, a little bit, the way that the Rams
have been playing. The forty nine ers were doing this
with much heavier personnel years ago, Like you're going to
(32:46):
start to see that. And then, of course defenses now
are trying to stay ahead of that curve and draft
these about fullback, big safeties.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Full backs. They're kind of coming back.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
It's like they kind of always are.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
They are always hanging on credit.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Think'st one now, but yeah, there's a couple of them
hanging around. I learned that see you next Tuesday means
something different In Australia.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
We are we are aware of that, and what you
don't want to know. We didn't know.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
That and sweep me and tell me what it means.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Right, We're not gonna just change what we do, but
now we're aware and and maybe maybe we will change
it in the future.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I don't know. It's not up to us. We're just dumb.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Americal under pressure.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
I thought it was just America our group chat.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
Yeah, because that's what we say when we leave Tuesday
the studios.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
What does it mean it's with an s C.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Yeah, Colleen, I learned that Greg doesn't need to sleep
after international trips, which sets a terrible precedent for everyone
else at the company.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Oh I forgot about that.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Oh my god, who needs it?
Speaker 5 (33:48):
What a week that was?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Oh my god, was wild Greg?
Speaker 1 (33:51):
That you That sets up something else that that I
learned too, which is like I can I can lean
on you guys on these shows.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
So I thank you very much for that.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
You're welcome, because even on a normal Tuesday, it was
very much. You know, you have the Sunday show, you
got the doubleheader. Sometimes I'm doing the Monday night football
thing in London and then another and then this show
is like very fast the next morning, and so I
just I just show up and I just like you
guys carry the way, so you know, it's very It's
(34:23):
like Jay, I'm like in that case, it's like a
bad Jalen Hurts game and you guys are the offensive
line Barkley, AJ Brown, you guys are just carrying me.
Speaker 6 (34:35):
On that note, though, I will say one thing I've
learned from the both of you is like the discipline
and infrastructure of preparation, of.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Work of being.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
So I mean, you guys should see you've seen him, Greg,
but the listeners you need to see Colleen's notes at
some point because there are pages. I mean, the preparation
I too well. I love being around people who work
so hard, Like I love that, and I know this
is I'm being overly earnest whatever, but like I have
learned that from you. I've learned courage from you, and
(35:09):
I've learned discipline and like how to push uh and
innovate from you. And I just that's something that's been
so cool for me this year. It's just getting to
be around you guys every week.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Oh Jordan, it's so sweet.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
You're You're too nice. And now I think you've reached
the part of the show. Greg.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Feel really I always learned new words from Jordan, and
I'm always like, oh, I want that one, and I
gotta I gotta work that one into the lexicon.
Speaker 8 (35:34):
That's a cool word, Like what's that one? So yeah,
it's been a real learning experience.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
It has been amazing.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
And and this this little tumbler that I put water
in what do you call it.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I don't know. It's about symbolic and it came with
a car card.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Centializing cards.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Cards were a big part of the year because we
learned from our listeners.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
That that was one of my favorite Everyone.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Deserves at Christmas start Oh my God episode Everyone Deserves
a Christmas Card. So if you want to start sending
your holiday cards to Colleen Wolf care of NFL Network,
uh in early, you know, you can start sending them now.
But that was very nice. Yeah, and Jordan's Jordan gave
a card here, uh with the tumblr.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
With the tumblr also, just to be clear to the listener,
I know we joked about the the tumblr, the grossness
of the old one, the way that it was treated.
It's a great gift, but the mistreatment of it bothered me.
So we have one without a straw and with a lid.
And it was a part of a thank you gift
to Greg okay.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
And you you guys suggested to read this.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
Yeah, I don't actually, I want to be clear, I
don't remember quite remember what I wrote in it.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
So so you said, at the risk of being earnest,
but no, this this uh, this Tuesday has been a
beautiful oasis of great vibes and picks me up and
has been really fun, and we're gonna do it again,
and there's there is no we're going to run. There
is no cliffhanger here. Jordan, you're going to be back,
and Colleen you're not going anywhere, so we'll get to
(37:05):
do this again.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
There is no dramatic Cliffin.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Tuesday season two.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
You go.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Are you sure you want me to read? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
Let me read it first to make sure with all.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
It's I'm sure it's great.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Oh yeah, you could read this, Okay, yeah, yeah, Thank
you for making me.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Oh, it's really more about me. I thought it was
going to be.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
It's a thank you card.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Thank you for.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Making me smarter, a harder worker, better thinker, a person
who thinks about a collaborative partnership, a better friend, less fearful,
and for changing my life twice this year. Oh, your
only flaws in my mind are your baker disdain and
your water bottle situation. Luckily I can fix one of
(37:49):
these issues.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Cheers to the future.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Jordan, Oh what a season one this was? What are
you crying?
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I'm not crying. He's not even close to cry.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
I'm thinking about.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
How he doesn't have a harp.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
I'm he's thinking about how hard I'm going to come
after him on the baker Stuff Next Island.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
It definitely made me feel a little emotional.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
I felt something.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
I feel things all the time.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
I can't what would one do if you were to cry?
Speaker 1 (38:17):
It's always happening, Like I just need to be like
watching something. Have you guys watched the Pit yet? I
feel like I'm watching the Pit. I am at a
permanent state of like there are just kind of tears
sitting there and then every fifteen minutes or so, because
it's like life and death all the time.
Speaker 6 (38:35):
Greg tell you one of the things he learned about
me this year is that I schedule my cries. What
like get a I do a real good reset cry,
like I'll read something a book that's like really really sad,
or watch like I do a reset. It's like I
schedule it's on the calendar.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Girl, I don't need to schedule my cries. They just
go naturally.
Speaker 6 (38:54):
Get Another topic we addressed at our company c J Consulting.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yeah, look forward to season two, can't Wait. Colleen cries
emotionally stable, and.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
It's not just because of what's going to happen to
the Eagles next season.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
We will be back.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
This is not our last episode before we go to
that series that I'm excited about. By the way, we
have some exciting guests for the series. Kevin Harlan's going
to be on Mean Chimes is going to be on
Brian Baldinger, so that's going to be running starting next week.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
But we do have one more show to.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Go this week or this will be the last one, Okanks, Guys,
I don't know when we'll be back together. We're back
daily July twenty first, but the three of us when
we'll be back together, who.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Knows, maybe before Tuesday. I hope you will pull the
last one on everyone.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
We could do it somewhere else. Thank you Jordan for
the card for the bottle.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Football's not back.
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