The Most Fascinating Figures of the NFL Draft

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Colleen Wolfe and Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic to discuss the most fascinating figures of the 2025 NFL Draft. Find out why James Gladstone (02:15), Andrew Berry (12:40), Ashton Jeanty (27:05), Tyler Warren (35:30), Trey Hendrickson (44:49), Kirk Cousins (48:40), and more will all be focal points of draft weekend. 

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we prefer kids over dogs.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'm Greg Rosen Thoughts.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Chris wesleyan podcast studio controversial start to the show with
Colleen Wolf and Jordan Rodrigue of The Athletic.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
We are back here on a Tuesday. How about it.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Good to see you guys listen. I like kids just fine.
I really love dogs.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
I was just in an argument with you guys just
saying that that showing dog pictures has a higher approval rating.
Like a lot of people don't get kids or aren't
really that into kids, which I get, but dog pictures everyone.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Across the board.

Speaker 5 (00:40):
Yeah, I feel like there's like a level of politeness
for all. But like, as somebody who shows an obnoxious
amount of dog pictures before the show began, I could
say that I am pretty annoying when I show people
incessant pictures of my sweet, sweet dog Tucker.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
I don't have videos in my algorithm being served to
me of babies. I have dogs. Well, that's that's animals.

Speaker 6 (01:05):
Soups for me as well. Soups.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
We gotta we gotta look at everyone's discovery page see
what's going on there.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
I just think there are more colleens out there than
than people like me who prefer humans to.

Speaker 6 (01:18):
Divide us already. Yes, let's stay together.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Okay, let's do it. This is a big show.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
It is our last show together as a trio before
the NFL draft. That's Colleen takes the big airplane and
then a connecting flight, probably because there's not direct.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Yeah, she took the I threw out my back. I
don't know how I'm gonna walk around on the stage
and heels.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
You've got You've got about a week to get ready,
and this has been a really like push our chips
in the middle of the table and really start prepping
for this draft. So this show is all about the
most fast Sanatan characters of the twenty twenty five. We're
not even going to mess around with news. We're just
going to dive right into the segment.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Let's just go about it.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
We have it broken down into different categories, and I
think let's start with the GM head coach category. Let's
start there, and let's start with Jordan Rodrick.

Speaker 5 (02:20):
Yeah, I'm really excited to watch James Gladstone, Liam Cohen,
and Tony Bisselli Taxonville Jaguars have their first draft of
this new regime, and yes, that's a no brainer if
you know me at all. But it's interesting for a
number of reasons. One, James Gladstone is the second youngest
GM who's going to be drafting. I believe Andrew Berry

(02:42):
was the youngest GM in NFL history several years ago.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well that's gone great.

Speaker 5 (02:45):
Yeah, It is interesting though, because they got it later
start than everybody else. And if you're going to install
a new general manager before the draft, as the Jaguars did,
in particularly late in the process as they did, there's
a lot of catchup to be done, a lot of
things to kind of integrate into the building. And then
what I do know about James and about Liam and

(03:06):
about Tony is that they're also trying to make sure
that they're not just doing a clean sweep of process
and ideas. It's sort of a marriage between the old
and the new, and like pruning some of the old
that didn't work, that they don't believe worked, and making
sure that people are heard the processes that do work
are actually installed and implemented, and then also marrying some

(03:27):
of the modern things that James did, especially with the
Los Angeles Rams, into their process as well.

Speaker 6 (03:33):
And I think it's going to be really interesting.

Speaker 5 (03:34):
It's sort of a Frankenstein draft because you are a
building still in transition. So I think twenty twenty six
will be most reflective of what this group as a
trio will truly start to do together. But this one's
going to be really interesting because they have to start
rebuilding this roster and some of the older players that
they did sign in free agency and replacing them with

(03:55):
rising and ascending draft picks.

Speaker 6 (03:56):
I think it's going to be super interesting.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
Frankenstein draft really got me. I love that term.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
But like, so, what do you think that Mason Graham
is going to bring over from Less Need and like
that whole tree with the Rams.

Speaker 6 (04:11):
With James Gladstone.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
Yeah, yeah, so I feel like he There's a lot
of things that I got to see last year when
I was interred with their scouting department in terms of
some of the ways that they overhaul, like I guess
tried and true practices for other teams, Like we already
we already know they don't go to the all star
events like the Scouting Combine, the Senior Bowl. You know,

(04:34):
they don't. They don't go to uh a lot of
these like off season visits. They do the pro days,
they don't do thirty visits. Do we have sound for that?

Speaker 2 (04:43):
We do?

Speaker 5 (04:44):
We do?

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Just walked right into it.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Let's go.

Speaker 7 (04:48):
I don't view myself as having this extreme, uh superpower
of deciphering the complexity of a person in an hour, right,
I would probably I can work that in tandem. But
there are other mechanisms that we tend to lean into
to help us determine whether or not a player is

(05:08):
in fact a fit for us more than just a
singular touch point that would be a top thirty visit.

Speaker 6 (05:15):
Yeah, let me explain this.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Wait, I want to hear Colleen's reaction just to that,
because it was so strong when James Gladstone started speaking that,
I just want.

Speaker 6 (05:22):
To I know, I just he's a child, because it
looks like a baby.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
It was just all very unexpected.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
I wasn't expecting him the way that he looks, also
what he was saying.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
It just it just caught me off guard a little bit.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, it was perfect.

Speaker 5 (05:36):
Okay, if you guys will indulge me in like a
little bit. I was thinking about this a lot over
the last couple of days, because this is topical right now,
with the thirty visits and the fact that the Rams
we've known for a while that they don't do the
thirty visits instead, and the Jaguars are sort of following
this train.

Speaker 6 (05:52):
That's because the.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
Guy who started this process for the Rams over the
last two years, James Gladstone, is now the GM of
the Jaguars. Jaguars are not doing the thirty visits in
the traditional way, which are the visits that prospects come
into the building. You're allowed to have up to thirty
of them and they have to be reported to the league. Well,
one thing that the Rams do that the Jaguars will
start to install over time and are doing sort of

(06:14):
like I said a Frankenstein yeahen of this now is
they don't bring prospects in they go to them. They
send their scouts and not their top executives because they're
trying to remove bias and marriage to a prospect too
early in the process before the board strategy falls.

Speaker 6 (06:30):
They're trying to.

Speaker 5 (06:30):
Remove those things from the equation and look at the
actual scout who they hand select as somebody who is
going to get on the whiteboard with these prospects at
a place, whether it's their college or within a fifty
mile radius from their hometown or their college. That you
can do as many of those as you want, and
you don't have to report them to the league, which
is the so they don't leak right unless the agent

(06:52):
leaks it, and usually there's some sort of an understanding
between the agent and the team that like, this is special,
you're not going to leak it. So what happens at
those visits is whoever the scout or the former coach
or whoever it is usually termed special assistant to the
in the in the staff directory, they will sit down
with the prospect in what is deemed to be their environment.

(07:13):
They'll get them on the whiteboard for several hours. It's
not just a come in and do a job.

Speaker 6 (07:19):
Interviewed now hours on the whiteboard, they get into the weeds.

Speaker 5 (07:22):
They go into the community with the prospect, interacts with
their community, and they will basically see the player like
in their environment and in their atmosphere because they find.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
That conversation while it's like a great symphony.

Speaker 5 (07:39):
I'm semper passionate about this because I think the draft
is such a crapshoot of a process that all these
teams are trying to control like all the little tiny
variables that they possibly can control. And I think that
if all I see out there, and all I've seen
for years, and it's probably because of where I've just
you know, where I've been covering the team I've been covering,
all I see is, oh my gosh, they don't do
what they don't oh here, they don't do this process

(08:02):
the same way.

Speaker 6 (08:02):
And I'm like, stop, this is not No. Thirty two.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
None of the thirty two teams are the same. They're
not going to evaluate talent the same. The draft is
not a binary process. The draft changes every single year.
So why are you not changing every single year? Why
aren't you trying to figure out and ascertain what works
for you how you best feel like you get the
best information. Not every team is going to be like that.
Brad Holmes also comes from out of this building. He
likes to be on the road, He likes to be

(08:27):
in with the scouts. It really works for him and
for the Detroit Lions and for Dan Campbell.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
I want to see a breakdown of every team and
like the differences, like what they do differently than other teams,
or what teams do the same, like I kind of
want to know the strategies for each team. Is there
is this in an Excel document somewhere.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
In general up Life's mission.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, has a lot of group think, and it's good
that teams like the Rams and the Jaguars now because
the Gladstone are attacking it a little bit differently.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
I call him Mason Graham because that's who I thought
you're gonna draft.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
So we would have just edited, we would have just
edited out.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
I brought it back round.

Speaker 6 (09:06):
I loved it.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
It's good.

Speaker 5 (09:08):
I mean, it's after so many of these like super
super fun shows. I immediately knew exactly it was like
we didn't even miss a beat.

Speaker 6 (09:15):
We just knew exactly what it was.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
It was like, damn it, it was the Prospect.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
They also are in a weird spot because they have
the five pick, and I do just think everyone with
like a four to ten pick in this draft drew
the short straw, like this was a bad year to have,
or even like a four to fifteen pick that everyone's
getting pushed up. That none of these guys would have
been like a consensus top fifteen, top twenty pick in

(09:42):
previous years. So it's just very tricky and I remember
that interview we did with James Gladstone at the scouting
combine when we said he had ten picks and he said,
well for now, And I think he could be a
team that is trading up with some of his later picks,
but he also could.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Be a team that's that's trading down.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
If anyone has their eye on on that number five overall.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
Yeah, yeah, I might mention that coming up.

Speaker 5 (10:05):
Yeah, and to reiterate because I'm, like I said, you know,
I'm being a dork, but like I'm so passionate about
this topic, Like.

Speaker 6 (10:12):
You can't even the way that they're approaching it now.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
I like that you're pounding the table.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
If this doesn't work for that particular group, if this
process that they're installing there doesn't work for them. The
point is that I don't believe that James or Liam
or Tony are people who are going to be rigid
in that process. They're approaching the draft as a fluid concept,
which I think is so important because there is so
much that ultimately is left up to chance. All you

(10:38):
can do is try to perfect the variables that you
can control and strategy and that way is one of them,
and that means that you cannot just be rigid and
you're thinking about how you.

Speaker 6 (10:46):
Approach the process.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
I like the way that they're trying to take the
human element out of it, though, because it's nearly impossible.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
It's such a it's such a difficult exercise. Because all
of this is true, and all these smart people are
into building these processes and taking these players and the
coaches and so like. It's a multi million dollar per
team group in terms of salaries and all this stuff,
and still by far the number one reason why it
works or not is luck. Okay, what about it, I'll

(11:13):
give you an You can't tell me that. In the end,
it's basically you're just trying to improve. It's like gambling,
you're trying to improve. Let's say gambling is thirty percent
skill and seventy percent luck. If you were really great, Like,
you're just trying to improve that thirty percent, And that's
still what drafting is.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Like, you're just trying to improve that thirty.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
Love is blind for NFLG Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
That would be fun, right.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
An example of this of the of the inverse of
this and falling in love too far, in love with
the prospect way too early in the process has been
recognized even internally in LA because it happened with Stetson
Bennett when less Sneed is going to the playoff and
the championship game and watching stets and Bennett play in person,
and he really really likes stets and Bennett, who thrives
on the whiteboard when Kellen Clemens goes and does this

(11:55):
this visit with him. But there were so many things
that ended up coming up that them just didn't knew
about but didn't care as much about because they fell
too far in love with the prospect before the actual
process was ready to manifest. In that way, it's human
nature though too. These are the types of things. That's
why they're trying to do the bias real thing. It's
not a perfect process.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Right, and it had worked out, then they would be
like that was great, you look, And that is where
the luck part of it comes into it, because he
could have just worked out for different reasons that they thought.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Were true and just he didn't have the talent. Ultimately, well,
we don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Actually, so many things have to align on let's go
or else we're only going to go through the wildcards Europe. Okay,
we're doing I mean not the Wildcards the GM head
coach category.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Okay, well, I know I was like Screwtling. We already
mentioned his name once on the show. Andrew Berry, I
feel like this, what are the Browns going to do?
First of all, the history is so rich with them
needing a quarterback. But I mean, if it goes down
to a dual Carter or Travis Hunter, who do they

(12:59):
value more in that spot?

Speaker 4 (13:01):
And would they be willing to take a quarterback with.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
The first pick in the second round or even trade
back into the first at the end to get a quarterback?
And if not, does that mean that they're already scouting
next year's quarterback class or.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
Even the class in two years.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
So I want to know for Andrew Barry, I'm watching
whether or not he this draft for him if he's
drafting like his job is on the line, or if
he's still drafting for the future and building towards something.
Because the Browns have two third round picks, so gives
them that additional ammunition to trade up if they want

(13:39):
to do that, because they got that with the Amari
Cooper trade to the Bills. So I think that they're
obviously interesting for a multitude of reasons. But watching how
Andrew Barry drafts this time around, I think will really
tell you a lot.

Speaker 5 (13:53):
You know, what would not surprise me is to see
him in this specific situation, as optically strange as it
would appear to especially in the moment as we're breaking
it down, is if they said, Okay, there's a lot
of these teams that want a quarterback they don't necessarily want,
like Shoudur at three, or should Door at two, or

(14:14):
or Jackson Dart in the first round, or like the
Tyler shuck in the first round. Like, but there's a pool,
a growing pool of teams that would take those guys
in back of round one, round two, round three. It
would not surprise me to see him go way early
on a quarterback that we might not even be pairing
to them right now, because it's always been cam Ward

(14:34):
should or Sanders one two, and so that would not
surprise me to see them go with a quarterback that
we may may not even be projecting that high, simply
to prevent the chance as more picks start getting stockpiled
in the middle and later rounds that that guy is gone.
Like if you see the quarterback you want take the quarterback.
What else could go wrong?

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Honestly, right, I just have a hard time because we
do this at this time of year generally with the
quarterbacks and in general, it is a good bet that
they're going to get pushed up.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
I just don't see it with these guys.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
I don't think any I think in the end it's
going to be like a lot of conversation and that everyone,
including the Browns, are going to be cool.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
With just can you pick it?

Speaker 4 (15:17):
And Joe Flats let it go.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
They're just going to be cool with who falls to them,
Like if Shuck falls to them at the top of
the third round, which I don't think is a crazy outcome,
or if they were interested in someone else that they
think is on the same tier as Shuck at the
third round, that's one thing. But I don't think anyone's
going to be moving up for these guys.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
This is where I have an issue with the draft itself,
because this is what we're just talking about. Even the
way that you framed it, if they're going to hope,
think their hope that someone falls to them, that is
immediately seating control of that variable.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
I think there is in that scenario not really caring
if someone falls to them ultimately and being like, yeah,
we'll take them if he makes sense. But it'd be
closer to the twenty twenty two draft where other than Pickett,
who people did expect to go in the first round
for the most part, like Malik Willis literally two days
before the draft in Vegas had like he was favored

(16:12):
to go top three. He didn't go in the top
seventy like and we But conversely, everyone was wrong because
everyone just assumes quarterbacks are gonna get puck pushed up
and I just don't see it.

Speaker 5 (16:25):
Last season, you have the recency bias of Bonix and
Mike Pennix getting pushed up and taken because the guy,
the coaches and this and the scouting and general management
staff were like, okay, we see quarterback, we take quarterback.
And then so you have a recency bias there of like, okay,
you could have those guys. Projections were also all over
the map.

Speaker 6 (16:44):
I'm not saying.

Speaker 5 (16:44):
Specifically I think Tyler Shuck or Jackson Dart whoever, these
like three down guys are supposed to go in the
first I'm just saying that if you are a team
that needs a quarterback and you see the quarterback you
want and you have the pick your I would I
would imagine if you have nothing else to lose and
you're in job butt saving mode at this point, then

(17:05):
you take the quarterback.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
I just think there's like a cut off line.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
And I obviously I could be wrong, we could all
be wrong about any of these evaluations. I don't think
any of them are going to get people that excited.
I think it's a pretty clear and I think Nix
and Pennex, if you're comparing, would have been in that
Chador sort of category. And I think there is more
of a consensus about these players not really being great
prospects at quarterback. But that makes the Shadoor conversation, and

(17:32):
he's not I don't think we're going to be mentioned him.
And we just haven't talked about on this show that
the Giants are holding a private workout for Chadur just
before the draft is happening. What is it at the
end at the end of this week, And they were
very careful to put that out there. So I think
the expectation is that no one thinks the Browns are
taking a quarterback there, but the Giants at the very

(17:54):
least are letting everyone know, either a our ownership's getting
involved and is actually is pretty into Sanders and is
making them check all the boxes, or be like, hey, Saints,
you're out there. You could be trading up to us potentially.
Dan Morgan, the Panthers GM, this is on his radar
as well. Dan Morgan the Panthers GM talked about where

(18:18):
he's at number eight, one spot ahead of the Saints.

Speaker 8 (18:20):
I don't think yet. I think it's still a little
early for that, you know. I think maybe down the
line I'll expect it a little more. But you know,
right now, things are quiet. It only takes one team
to fall in love with the player, you know. So
you know, a team could fall in love with a
player and decide they want to trade up with us
and go get their guy. So, you know, I really

(18:41):
don't look at it like that. I just look at
it as you know, a teams just may really love
a guy. So we'll just we'll be waiting if somebody
wants to come up.

Speaker 6 (18:50):
He is in such a good spot.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
Again, if I'm looking at what happened last year, especially
like in the early team's late single digits of teams
wanting to try to get up and in for specific guys,
especially the middle and the bottom of this first round
kind of drops off the face of a cliff into
the second round.

Speaker 6 (19:08):
Colleen, I could not help but laugh.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
Because I thought what you said a couple of weeks ago,
we were the Saints are here too.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yes, and now with the Derek Carr situation right it's
on Front Street.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
I think I think they're the most likely team.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
It was ten before my h thank you, Mickey loomis
my my floor for the for Shuldar Sanders. I've always
thought it was gonna be nine. I always thought they
were this Sudore Sanders team. I still think they are.
I still think in the end, no one's gonna trade up,
but who knows. The Giants, I think, with that move,
are saying come up and possibly trade for us. But

(19:47):
who knows, maybe maybe they would do Shuitar. I do
wonder if they look at it, like if your guy
Andrew Berry and you're right to go into the year
with Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco as you're quarterbacks. That
is having a lot of faith in your job security
when you're three and fourteen, you're coming off of three
and fourteen season, like it's it's insanity, but also like

(20:09):
it doesn't seem any lessons sane to have like a
second round, you know, quality quarterback in that mix too.
I do wonder though, and I have a hard time
believing job security wise that any team is passing up
Travis Hunter. The closer I get to this, the more
I've watched that actually people are talking about in this
draft that there's like there's not enough like blue chip talent,

(20:30):
Like I don't think many teams are going to have
Abdul Carter even over him. I do think he's going
to be a Cleveland Brown and that Andrew Barrett Barry
would have to wear that forever if he doesn't take
Travis Hunner. So I still think the most like logical
outcome is the most likely one, which is that they
just take Travis Hunner.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
But then you know, you never know.

Speaker 6 (20:48):
Yeah, it seems like a no brainer to us. I
would agree with that.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
So who was winning that quarterback competition Tenny Pickett for
Joe Flacco.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Laco. I think.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
My GM coach is going to be another guy. That's
it related to some recent news, which is Chris Greer.
You mentioned it on the last show you did with
US Jordan with Ross Tucker that you don't know what's
to do with this Dolphins team and roster, and they're
in a very weird spot. Much like Andrew Berry, I
feel like Chris Greer should be making decisions based on

(21:23):
the fact that he probably doesn't have a lot of
job security. And then we find out on Tuesday morning
that there is quote mutual interest between Jalen Ramsey and
the Dolphins of a divorce, according to are Ian Rappaport,
and it was reported by ESPN on the same day
trying to drum up a trademarket.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Not sure where this started, which side.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
But it's been a trend for Jalen Ramsey that he
has an expiration date. And if you actually go back
and listen to some quotes he made at the very
end of the season where they kind of asked him
to more or less give a vote of confidence for
the coaches and what they should do, and he was
just like, well, that's above my pay.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
Gris, Oh that's right.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
I forgot about that.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
That was a little bit of a first sign that
maybe not all as well there, which is kind of
crazy because they guaranteed him twenty five million dollars for
this season twenty twenty five, when they absolutely didn't need
to do it. They are regretting that Tyreek Hill extension
and this Jalen Ramsey extension, and yet I now expect
him to be an ex Dolphin. I guess there'll be

(22:27):
a market for him, Jordan, what do you think, Yeah, I.

Speaker 6 (22:29):
Think there will be.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
I think that it's interesting every few years this has
happened with him, and if you look at the situations
of the teams within which those this was happening, it
was teams that looked like they were signaling toward a rebuild.

Speaker 6 (22:46):
And this is a player who.

Speaker 5 (22:48):
You know, possible future Hall of Famer, guy who is
quite used to being at the very top of his game,
is getting into I would say, more of the back
end of his career, and I think it's about wanting
to go win. I certainly think that it would be
a big mistake. And I've you know, I covered Jalen
for a really long time and got to know him

(23:10):
pretty well in LA. You don't put words in his
mouth right about these situations, but I would say, like
I would imagine that winning and being with a franchise
that expects to win over the next couple of years
is something that is going to be important to him,
in a priority for him, and it's you know, yes,
they negotiated this amount from the Dolphins. Dolphins didn't have

(23:30):
to do it, So I think he doesn't necessarily feel
any sort of way about the money itself. I would imagine,
you know, yes, he would want some security from a
trading team. But I think to me, in my opinion,
if you look at the pattern of these moves with
him over the last nine years eight years, the team
is either in or heading toward darker days and needs

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to overhaul and rebuild some things. And so to me,
where you hear the word mutual, that's it does seem
like something that they would agree upon because in my
just time for him to.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Go that contract, though, is going to be so tough
for any team to take on. It's like twenty one
million dollars guaranteed.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
I think if it's you look at it just for
one year, you know you would if you had to
get rid of him next year, then you would take
a bit of a hit. But a lot of teams
actually can take that on immediately. People are connecting dots
between him and his old rams coordinator Raheem Morris, and
that could be an interesting addition for the Falcons, who
I think even though pass rush is a bigger need

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for them, it would really yeah, it would they need
a lot on defense and it would juice up their secondary.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
I could see it happening.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
I could see it being very mutual because by the
end of last year I think they were a little
sick of Jalen Ramsey two potentially, and he was a
little up and down a heat.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
There.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
You're trading for him at a point of his career
that you can no longer expect him to be a
truly elite player.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
There are three coaches who I would say have gotten
the best, the most bought in and the most I
guess like permeating that sort of like excellence through and
carrying people with him and gotten the best out of
Jalen and that is RhE Morris. That's Brandon Staley, and

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that's also Jonathan Cooley and Gero Everro who are in
Carolina right now. So I would not rule any of
those things out.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
I also think that Jalen Ramsey and his agent are
obviously a lot smarter about this than I would be,
and I don't think they're going out to the public
with it and putting up the first sale sign as
a targeted idea until they know they have good outcomes here,
places that they want to go, that they have.

Speaker 6 (25:45):
NFC South teams. I could very much see being.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Right and that they already have an understanding that there
is a market, there is a team that we would
like to go to that would like to have us.
So at this point, it's kind of like the Derek
Carr situation. I'm already at the point I don't expect
Derek Carr to ever play for the Saints again.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
I think that report.

Speaker 6 (26:03):
Get him out of there before Jalen comes in.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
For the love of God, that could be it.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Like I just uh, I feel like putting that report
out there is kind of like, uh, I'm saying goodbye
to you and Derek Carr for the most part. How
I think the NFL other people are interpreting his injury
news is I'm injured for you Saints, but I'm not
necessarily injured for other teams exactly, which is a wild

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exactly position to take.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
We're here too, and it's a strategy.

Speaker 6 (26:34):
The Saints are here too.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
It's I kind of like it.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
There's some Saints fans that I've noticed on social media
this week, We're like, like, for the first.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Time, I kind of like Derek Cuffer. I gotta give it.
I gotta give it to him, like he's.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Pulling a Jimmy Butler and making Mickey Loomis eat that contract.
All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be
back with more of the most fascinating.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
People in the twenty twenty five draft.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Back on NFL Daily going through the most fascinating figures
in the NFL Draft.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
So why are you laughing so much?

Speaker 6 (27:15):
I just I'm laughing at myself.

Speaker 5 (27:17):
Like I didn't expect to open today with like a
draft rant, you know I did. As I was driving
in I was thinking about, like how big this year
has been? Insane And at one point I was driving
to Arizona for a relocated football game. And I had
a reminder of that today when I opened my glove
compartment and there was a half eaten bag of family

(27:37):
sized chili cheese FreeDOS.

Speaker 6 (27:39):
Felt really good about.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
Wow, oh, I know we're gonna need to clean your car.

Speaker 6 (27:44):
Be really good about how with it?

Speaker 2 (27:45):
And on it?

Speaker 6 (27:46):
I am so far this off season not behind on
things at all.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
You Oh, I mean that's that is what it's like
to work in the NFL and sports probably in general.
But it's like anytime the off season quote unquote hits,
it's like, oh, now I'm gonna like clean out this
closet or do all of the things that have piled
up over nine months.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
I don't know what says about my brain though that
when you said you open the glove compartment, I thought
like ashes from the fire were going to come out.

Speaker 6 (28:13):
It's morbid.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
I was like, is there going to be a glock
in there?

Speaker 2 (28:18):
That's amazing.

Speaker 6 (28:19):
I'm a woman on the edge.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Let's go offensive players, all right, who, Colleen, what is
your most famous You have to answer.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
The most famous?

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Okay, now your most fascinating offensive player in this well,
there are.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
So many to choose from.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
But I'm really really interested to see what happens with
Ashton Gente running back out of Boise State. I mean,
he's been pitched so many times as a generational talent,
but let's see what GMS are not cowards?

Speaker 4 (28:53):
Who's going to take him high in this spot?

Speaker 3 (28:55):
I mean, I want to know how the league values
him as a player and how the league values running
backs essentially, especially after watching the Eagles with Saquon Barkley.
DJ Daniel Jeremiah has gent as his third prospect overall,
behind Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter. Lanceerline has him as

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his highest full stop.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
Graded player in the draft.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
We know that Bjon Robinson he went high, but I'm
just wondering if there's any chance that anyone would trade
ahead of the Raiders for him, because that's where he's
been mocked in most drafts. So maybe or you could
have the Raiders trading up with the Browns to take
a quarterback. There's so many different things that you could

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kind of do in this situation. I was wondering, too,
could the Jags trade out of five to someone who
really wants to jump up and get him?

Speaker 4 (29:49):
Is that too high? Five? Like?

Speaker 1 (29:51):
I don't think it is. But trading up for a
running back would be next level. Running backs are back back,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (29:58):
I know.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
I think him going at six would not be next level.
I think amar and Hampton is such a good prospect
that he's definitely going to the first round, and I
don't think anyone would be surprised if another running back,
Travion Henderson specifically, would go in the first round. So
I do think running backs will be back. Trading up
ahead of the Raiders is crazy back the Jaguars could take.
I don't think it's crazy for the Jaguars to take Ashton.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Jensen, Absolutely not, he's also from Jacksonville connection.

Speaker 5 (30:24):
But I also think it would immediately be very clear
it's not just that running backs are back, it's like
outlier players. Yeah, raid up and draft outlier players. That's
that's part of the Saquon Barkley effect. Isn't just the
resurgence of running backs and the return of like widespread
gap scheme and maybe moving a little bit more away
from zone and bigger players on the interior and linebackers

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that need to defend the run. Like you also are
seeing like these outliers pop in this way. So it's
not just running backs being back and like worth the
capital in the first round, but all also for something
like that you would be stating as an NFL team,
this is an outlier player regardless of position, that is
worth this investment in regardless because we've seen what specifically

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an outlier player regardless of position can do Philadelphia.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
If someone jumps ahead of the Raiders, how upset will
Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly be.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
They love a run, they might just like take Traveon
Henderson at six, which would be which sounds like a
wild reach. And I'm making the Chip Kelly connection because
you know he was with him at Ohio State. But
when I hear MJD talk about Eric Bienemy, who's the
running back coach of the Bears, is texting him late
at night, you know, sending him how pictures of Travon

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Henderson and pass bogging. And then DJ who is as
tight end at this time of year as literally any
human on the planet. He's got him up there like
that high and like saying he's gonna go high, like
he's gonna go high too, because he's a true three
down player. And so that's why I think that I
think the Bears are takes game running back, and I
think there's a pretty good chance the Raiders would take one,
even in a crazy world where Gent's gone, but I

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don't think he would be. But even if the Raiders
pass them, I think the Jets are another potential running
back team in this class. There are going to be
so many people hate to say this at this time
of year, there's going to be so many disappointments out
of these top twenty picks. And it's kind of like
an NBA team that doesn't have any good players, but
someone has to score twenty points, someone has to get

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twelve rebounds, someone has to score seventeen points, like the
vacuum will be filled, you know what I mean. And
so we are talking about all these players in the
top twenty five like it's a normal top twenty five,
but normally we wouldn't be talking about them this much.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
And even in a.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Normal draft, half the players kind of turn into disappointments,
and you never talk about that ahead of time. My
long winded point is that some of these running back,
especially gent being number one, it's like it's really hard
to see them being a disappointment. So if you feel
like you can hit a double and avoid these possible
land mines exactly, then go take them.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
I think that Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly and maybe
John spy Tech's son would be disappointed. He was at
his press conference a few weeks ago or on the
radio somewhere. He was talking about how his son said
he threatened to walk out of the family if he
didn't draft Ashton, and John Spytech said something really telling.

Speaker 6 (33:19):
I think so.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
I think those three in particular decision makers would be disappointed.
But I don't know that John spy Tech would be disappointed.
I don't know that John spyve Tech would be really
upset if a team decided, Hey, we want to give
you a crapload of picks in order to jump you,
in order to get or to get to your spot,
to get Ashton Janty if a couple of other running
backs are available, because I think John spy Tech and

(33:40):
he kind of made this comment, they have so many
holes to fill and they want to compete now, and yes,
an outstanding outlier a running back could help you.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
And they gave up that Geno pick too, which probably.

Speaker 5 (33:50):
I feel like so I feel like that this is
I would love to be a fly on the wall
in that building right now because I feel like this
is going to be the top debate. Is they've they've
done all of the They've laid the entire base. They
know oh that if he's there, I would I would
imagine he is the pick. That's what I would believe
because they've laid the base. They took him out to dinner,
they had the visit, they did everything right. They've also
laid a base to say, hey, come get him to

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other teams and give us, give us a lot of
picks so that we can go back a little bit
in the first round still pick up a really talented
running back and also get more offensive linemen, get another.

Speaker 6 (34:21):
Receiver to pair with Brock Bowers.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
This is where I think John spy Tech would fall
on that side of the.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
Equation, even if his son renounces him.

Speaker 6 (34:29):
It's a tough price to pay, you know.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
But then he said this, He said, well, my son's
looking at highlights on YouTube and he's thinking about it
in terms of fantasy football, not team building, right, And
I heard, damn.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Okay, you could always you can always get another son. Yeah,
but you'll only be number six.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
You have the dog parting to walk out honestly cover.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
So if three running backs go, and that's one where
I would I saw the over under for running backs
in the first round is two and a half, I
would jump on that before that changes. I'm not we're
not allowed to be involved in that, but I just
think I think that's going to change by the time
the draft even happens. But it would be the first
time since twenty eighteen when Saquon Barkley, Rashad Penny and

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Sony Michelle.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Oh my god, we're taken.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
And yeah, maybe this was the class that ended running
backs getting taken high for a little.

Speaker 6 (35:20):
While, because sil has two Super Bowls in the.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
In the second round, Ronald Jones, carry On Johnson and
Darius Geis where.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
The second round picks? Wow? Uh yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Always I always defended that Sony Michelle pick. It got them,
got them a nice playoff run. All right, I'll go
with my most fascinating offensive player.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
It's Tyler Warren.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
The tight end out of Penn State, just because he's
such a unique player that I don't know what.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
To do with that.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
He's so exciting and you want to believe in him,
but he also is like if I was running a team,
I would be pretty afraid to take him. I don't
think he would be my guy. Like I know, Daniel
Jeremiah loves him. He's got him number six overall. But
he's such a unique player. You're not going to have
the testing data on him. He's refused to do that,
which is it's not a red flag necessarily anymore because

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no one's testing, but it's a little bit of a
red red flag for him specifically because he's like a
terrible blocker and he doesn't look that fast, and so
you're counting on this guy who has such a one
on one skill set, which is that when he has
the ball, he runs over people in a way that
I don't know if I've ever seen. He's like, he's

(36:32):
like and I hear I heard Oli Connolly or was
John Ledyard maybe compared him to like what people imagine
Tim Tebow actually would have been if Tim Tebow was
a tight end. But you're combining him in Deebo and
Taysom Hill and just like, to me, he reminds me
of Jeremy Shaka you a little bit, but oh my god,
really where like you don't even know can this work

(36:53):
at the NFL level? And also he was on Penn
State's team forever and they never figured out a way
to make him work, and the very end of his
fifth year and then suddenly it was like the craziest
player on the planet. So he could be the most
exciting player from this entire class when he's out on
the field, if he works, and yet I feel like
if he gets drafted by some basic team without a

(37:15):
lot of creativity, like it might really bust. And I'm
like a little fraid of so I'd find him fascinating.
I have no idea where he's going to go.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:22):
I love this topic because it also opens the conversation
that I think we more people need to have this
time of year, and DJ is extremely good at articulating.
This is the difference between evaluating a player in a
vacuum of evaluation in a big board, ranking in a
consensus top one hundred, in those types of things, versus

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the other side of things, which is again DJ's done
this on the other side as well, Like of what
it looks like for a team specifically to be evaluating
this player, how he fits, what traits match to what
the coaching staff is communicating within their system, within their scheme.

Speaker 6 (38:00):
Does this actually work?

Speaker 5 (38:02):
Would this be something where they would create for this
player or would they would he be able to fit
into the mix immediately and have an actual plan for
him to maximize his ability. Now, if that's not the case,
do you spend that high draft capital.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
On this time you spend it on Colston Lovelan is
what I think, because he just looks like all the
other tight ends in the league. He should be a
scal That makes me feel safer. But maybe I'll be wrong.
Maybe maybe I'll be wrong. It's not that I'm anti
Tyler Warren.

Speaker 5 (38:33):
I just like, no, no, I know, I think, But
I do think it opens up a really interesting conversation
because there is what the like the ecosystem, the commercialism
around the draft is and then there's also, in duality,
the conversation that's happening in these buildings about matching players
and matching traits to that.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
Building, even coaching styles too.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah, exactly, he just needs like a creative guy, like
not to pick on Zach Taylor. Something's like he just
wouldn't make any sense on the Bengals, you know, because
the Bengals do, they do what they do. Need you
need someone who's gonna just be like, build the whole
ship out of Tyler Warren. He's that type of player.
All right, you're up.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
You're up.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
That's like the same thing as when I say, actually,
good point, Greg, not to pick on Zack Taylor proceeds
to pick on Zach Taylor.

Speaker 6 (39:23):
Okay, I'm scrolling. What are we doing?

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Offensive player player?

Speaker 6 (39:27):
Oh cool?

Speaker 5 (39:27):
Yeah, I want to talk about the wide receiver class overall.
I mean, we go pretty general on this because I
know this is a big topic, but I just have
this feeling, especially watching the tape of some of these guys,
that like, this is actually a wide receiver class where
outside of the double position Travis Hunter, who's going to
be a phenom, and then there's like Ted McMillan and
Matthew Golden and they're kind of flip flopped on some

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people's boards as Consensus one. After however much Travis Hunter
plays receiver Consensus two three, they're flipped a little bit,
but outs after them and after like the top fifteen
and maybe even the top twenty five and deep into
the second and third rounds.

Speaker 6 (40:05):
I think this.

Speaker 5 (40:06):
Class is full of guys sort of like the career
arc of like a Chris Godwin for example, that you're
just gonna see them sustain like they That's interesting. So
a lot of guys that can do a lot of
different things. They have exciting traits, a lot of guys
that can match and fit in a lot of different systems.
I'm talking about Luther Bird and Jalen nol, Amika Buka,

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Jack Beck, Kyle Williams. I feel like all of these
players could really you could get them in the second
or the third and they'll be in your building for
like a decade. And I know that's like a heavy
thing to say, especially this time of year it's super buzzy,
but it just seems like these guys can do these things.
They have these traits, and they have the versatility a
lot of them do, and they have this like ability

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okay you need it to Okay, great, this guy can
be a two. You eventually need a one. In three years,
he'll be a one. Like high volume people as well.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
And it seems like it's coming from too just it's
a general wave and trend that's happening because of what's
putting at the collegiate level and how they're playing the game.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
It's just churning out.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
These wide receivers that are much more talented than years past.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
If you take Hunter out, which you kind of can't,
because to me, he's maybe the best wide receiver prospect
in the last few years.

Speaker 6 (41:17):
Like I think he's one.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
He's at the level of Chase but it reminds me
a little bit of the draft where Terry McLaurin went
twelve among wide receivers, and so I pulled it up.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
I wouldn't have been able to remember off of that
man who before.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Yeah, and many of them game, a few of them
were incredible. Aj Brown went fifty first in that class
overall late in the second round. His college teammate went
sixty fourth at the very end, the last pick of
the second round. So there were some major hits. Deebo
went at the top of the second round, but then
like the guys who went in the first round were

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Hollywood Brown and Ni.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Kil Harry yikes.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
It was a really deep class where people were really
excited about Micole Hardman, jj ar Sega Whiteside, who the
Eagles I know took instead of you know, DK Metcalf
and then they end up getting a Paris Campbell, Andy
Isabella Deontay Johnson goes later in that draft, like people
were excited about Keem Butler, where it's just like there's
all these guys, and this class feels a little bit

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like that to me, where it feels like there's fifteen
good guys and we just know from history that only
five will truly pop. But I think there's a lot
of good, solid players.

Speaker 5 (42:28):
I will take the converse of that, which tends to
be more optimistic than you, because I actually think that
because if you look at just the trade matching and
just the way, like some of those guys that you
named that didn't quite work out, like had one phenomenal
thing that they did extremely well that was eye popping
and had everybody sort of buzzing in their direction. And

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these guys, I think, especially a lot of the ones
that I just named, can do a lot of different
things and they're like puzzle pieces that I think, especially
the way that we're thinking about offense right now and
the systems that have permeated across the league, like we're
looking at puzzle piece receivers in ways that are like, okay,
can you do multiple things well? And maybe you do
this A plus thing and this B plus thing, but
we already have an A plus guy on our roster.

Speaker 6 (43:10):
We're gonna take this guy.

Speaker 5 (43:11):
And plug him in in a B plus position here
that he does at a B plus level, and now
we have two A plus people because we have a
complimentary view of all of this, where you're not just
gravitating and fireflying toward like, oh my god, he's massive,
you know like that that kind of a thing that
I think was that was an a Kille problem at
the time.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Massive was underrated. That Remember that picture of AJ Brown
and DK Metcalf like lifting weights at almost if anyone
had just looked at that picture and drafted off that picture,
they would.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
Not have gone like wide receivers.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
They would not have gone south. It is out.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
It is crazy to those two guys of all people
went that wentn't that late?

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Like when they had the physical gifts that they had.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
And the crazy thing about it was at the time,
that's not what I meant, you know, just saying big, fast, strong.

Speaker 6 (44:03):
Getting the way, stay in the way.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
And there was like whispers about their like whether they
had the dog in them?

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Whether where is that is like one of the funniest.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
It's a crazy time of here all saying if they've
picked those conversation back up and mark the mark the
timestamp in like three years, okay, I would guess that
a lot of these guys that I just mentioned will
be successful.

Speaker 6 (44:23):
And you didn't have to get him in the first round.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
I love a time capsule.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
We will be diving deep into the wide receivers on
our next show actually ooh with Matt Harmon and I
love him Clay Bo love him. Yay, old friends from
the Fantasy Life Show. Let's take one more break and
then we'll wrap up with our wild card choices with
the most fascinating people in the NFL Draft twenty five.

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It's the last NFL Daily with Ever and Collie and
I for the draft.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
But you will be back next week.

Speaker 6 (45:02):
Jordan Craig the Scout.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
I'm not letting you go. Yeah, anyway, you got a
busy week. I might do we might do.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Our mock draft with you, because I want to do
one before before the draft, one last one, one second,
one first one for me.

Speaker 5 (45:15):
I hope you're ready to like physically fight over some
of these guys.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Is that?

Speaker 4 (45:19):
Where are you guys going to do it? I gone.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
I took like six weeks, I would say, of boxing
three years ago, so I think I'm ready.

Speaker 6 (45:28):
With the personal trainer now.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Steven, there you go, big time Raiders fan. This is
all embarrassing. Let's talk about our wild cards before we
say goodbye. So this could be this could be anything
or anyone let's start with Colleen.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Okay, my biggest wild card, it's Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
Oh I just like, I know.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
The Bengals have turned down multiple trade offers for him,
and they have the cap space to make a deal.
But everything that goes by, I just become more and
more convinced that something is going to happen and they
might end up trading him. Maybe it happens on Draft Day.
Maybe they're kind of holding that card just in case,

(46:12):
and you never know. But I don't know what you
could even get for him in terms of round value either,
Like what would you what would a trade package even
look like.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
It's tricky, these veteran trades that happen during the draft
or maybe even draft week, because it's like a catch
twenty two. Teams just do not want to give up
these picks. They're so close to the draft. They've put
in so much work. It's almost like preparing for this show.
If you've prepared for a certain part of the segment,
you just want to get it in there. Regardless. At

(46:46):
this point, they put in so much work, they just
want to they want to take the picks because you
want to talk best defensive player or most fascinating defensive player,
and they don't want to do it, like they just
don't want to give it up for a veteran, And
yet the value is so good because at the same
time they're doing that, they're happy to give up. Oh,
sure you want two thirds, so we can move up
twenty spots into the back of a second. Like, sure,

(47:09):
I'll do that when I'm on the clock, because I
really want this draft project. So I think it would
make sense for a team out there to give a
legitimate offer for Hendrickson and make it happen, because I
think they could make it happen.

Speaker 5 (47:20):
Yeah, And things get so so much more tense and
insane in those days, particularly going from Day one overnight
into Day two and then Day two overnight into Day three.
I had an executive one time tell me when they
were sitting on a really high fourth round pick that
it felt like going to bed in a hotel with
the door unlocked and a pile of money under your mattress.

Speaker 6 (47:42):
And I was like, what, that's oddly specific, but it.

Speaker 5 (47:45):
Was like that feeling of like I have this thing
that everyone wants, yeah, not sure that I can use
it correctly, Like and I can keep it, and so
everyone's going to come try to take it this pick
that I have, and so it gets so tense and
you start thinking in crazy ways, and like people will
come with offers, especially if they want to get to
that pile of money under the mattress. I just think
that this, if you get this done now, if you're

(48:06):
the Bengals, you might not actually be able to get
quite as.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Much fair I am worried about.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Yeah, that that GM or source that was talking about
is like, it's just like you. You're at a hotel
and the money's under the mattress and you're trying to
sleep on it, but the drugs are in the car,
and like your wife is calling you, where are you?

Speaker 2 (48:26):
It's just oddly specific.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
And some guy and some guy is walking down the
hall slowly dragging a cattle tranquilizer behind him, like no
country for old men.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
You know, I love this. We should should make a
social clip out of it. All you give me your
wild guard.

Speaker 5 (48:40):
Please don't know, Okay, I know that frequently we use
this man's name and the words wild It's Sam Darnold
together in a sense so often. I mean the very
definition of wild guard. Kirk cousin oh Okay to recap. So,

(49:01):
Kirk Cousins and the Falcons and the Browns have all
stayed in communication over the last several weeks about a
possible trade. Obviously, then the Browns went inside signed Joe Flacco.
It's like four million guaranteed, but he could make up
to about thirteen million if he depended on playing time.
Albert Breer said some interesting stuff this week in his

(49:21):
Monday Morning Quarterback column about how you're basically telling the league,
like what you think Kirk cousins value is. This is
his postulation if you're the Browns and in basically how
much you're willing to pay Joe Flacco if such a
trade or you don't get a quarterback doesn't work out,
And it is interesting. Albert has also reported, I think

(49:43):
Ian and Tom have reported this as well, that Kirk
Cousins has been really serious about using his no trade
clause because he's terrified that he's going to get Michael
pennixed again and so he wants to wait until after
the draft to make a decision. But like he kind
of does add a bit of a wild guard, especially
with the Browns signing Joe Flacco to this quarterback game
of musical chair as while we're still waiting on Aaron Rodgers,

(50:07):
we are waiting on Kirk Cousins, We're waiting on the
draft itself.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
For Derek Carr.

Speaker 6 (50:11):
Derek Carr may or may not have a hurt shoulder.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
I mean, I believe that it really does, but I
don't believe.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
How much does it PA I don't know.

Speaker 6 (50:19):
It's like pain scale.

Speaker 5 (50:23):
So I think that this is super interesting just because
he is a factor in all of this. He also
is a potential draft week or draft day or draft
days plural part of this conversation, depending on what you know,
what he decides to do and with the Brown excuse me,
what the Falcons decided to do with that no trade clause.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
I think Flacco was smart leverage for them from getting
stuck in a position where they don't wind up with
Kirk Cousins. But I don't necessarily think it changes even
one percent, like their chances of getting Kirk Cusins or
I don't know what those chances are, but I don't
think Joe Flacco, if they ended up being the most
likely team he was going to go to, We'll get

(50:59):
in the way that because if you're the Browns. You
look at it like Kenny Pickett's on a rookie contract,
Joe Flack was making four million dollars. You literally have
the cheapest quarterback room in the league still, And I
think they would be happy to take Kirk Cuns. But
they have to live in a world where who knows
what the Saints are gonna do, for instance, and like
what else is gonna It's an uncertain world.

Speaker 5 (51:18):
So I know it's crazy to even think about like
a Falcon Saints trade scenario just because of the rivalry
and the composition. But actually I could see something like
this happen in light of this Derek Carr situation, and
especially if you know Kirk again, we cannot forget like
he's going to.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Get to pick I love this so much.

Speaker 6 (51:36):
If he does want this to happen or not, what
we do know he.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Does give it to me, give me a Kirk to
the Saints' trade, Oh the Falcons that I.

Speaker 5 (51:43):
Can hear our friends at the Saints Block Party podcast
listening to this and just dying at the entire thought of.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
The Saints are here too.

Speaker 6 (51:49):
But but I.

Speaker 5 (51:52):
Clip that, please, But I do, But I do think
that like you have to factor in the fact that
the stance he's take and with this no trade clause,
I mean it clearly was hugely disappointing to him what
happened to him last year.

Speaker 6 (52:05):
He clearly thinks that he can still play. There was
all these leaks about an injury.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
That he's sustained late in the season, and now he's
totally better now and he's gonna be fine, and clearly
he wants to start somewhere, which is also why I
think now it isn't interesting, like you said, an interesting
leverage play, because would you want to go because Joe
Flacco and Kevin Stefanski paired up for that like wildly
voted upon Comeback Player of the Year awards season, You know,

(52:32):
would you want to go in that building now where
that relationship and that reputation between the two does exist.
Do you think that you are for sure getting him out?
Like this is all something, These are all things that
now the carousel will move and consider, And then you
have like there's gonna be an odd man out, like
is it Rogers, is it Cousins? Could it be Derek Carr?
Like there is going to be a veteran quarterback who

(52:53):
is the odd man out. Somehow it is not Joe Flacco.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
I am so into that.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
I hear that, and that makes me think that the
Cousins thing would be even less likely to the Saints.
But maybe in that scenario, there's not a rookie there,
like it's it's Kirk Cousins, but they struck out on
their rookies or they decided not to go to the okies. Ultimately,
here are some players that play the same position as
Joe Flacco that make the same amount of money or

(53:20):
more than him this year.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
I'm just gonna listen.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Guaranteed Jared Stidham, Zach Wilson, Davis Mills, Josh Dobbs, Jameis Winston,
Andy Dalton and means.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
The trauma that he experienced last year during the draft.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
Won't somebody think of poor Kirk exactly all of his money?

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Well we can this offseason when he's starring in another
season of Quarterback on Netflix.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Money, everyone was just like, hey, let's bring Kirk back.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Leaves his door unlocked, Cole's cash just stuffed in there.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
My final wild card is someone near in year to
all of our hearts. My wild card for the draft
is Colleen Wolf. Actually, she's she's gonna be there. She's
wearing her twenty twenty four draft shirt.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
I'm doing the thing that everyone is supposed to do,
and I have my last name on the back.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Oh wow, Colleen with a great cutoff twenty twenty four
sweatshirt Belichick style.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Sort of not really.

Speaker 6 (54:24):
She said it was too long, and I said, no, Colleen,
it was normal sized.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
Yeah, it was just like to my knees.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
You know, she she starred at the last draft. What
is it in Detroit? It's you know, it's just trying
to build up the YouTube body and so you know,
check us out to subscribe. It's just a collection of
what you.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Were working with last year at the draft stand.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
If you are in Green Bay, you know, yell out
to Colleen and how much please love an NFL Daily.
It has to include me though, too. I mean not
me like my name, but NFL Daily.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
Oh no, I don't think HI doesn't count if.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Anything, anything, anything works. But all right, I just hope
we I hope we get you back.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
You think I'm just gonna like be gone in Green
Bay forever.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
I don't know. I just uh, it's a big it's
a big weekend.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
Missing in Green Bay.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
It's a big weekend for you, it's a big weekend
for our friend Daniel Jeremiah. I mean, well, you gotta
stay on top. I feel like NFL Network has the
best draft coverage.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Of course they do, ever one guy.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
I'm not going to pretend and say that though when
I don't believe it about certain competitions. But this one,
right now, we've got it. And but you gotta be
You gotta be worried about I always feel the eights
and mel Kiper and what ESPN's bringing or what else
is going on out there.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
You gotta stay on top.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
I lose my voice every year after the draft, which
is bad news because I'm hosting GMFB that following Monday
through Friday, so you're actual.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
Tune in and thank you.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Awesome it is.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
You could see how I fared through the draft, my
physical stuff.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
That's how you know. You know, Jordan's like a newbie
or is very naive that.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
She's saying congratulations Colley, Do you get to wake up.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
At three point thirty for a week all the shows
just what you wanted.

Speaker 6 (56:10):
I think you're gonna be great.

Speaker 5 (56:12):
Also, you're a rumor that you are planning on wearing
So that was a fabulous blue suit that you had.

Speaker 6 (56:17):
Oh I heard.

Speaker 5 (56:18):
Aw, you're planning on getting Greg's name across the back.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
I just does gonna yell out, just say.

Speaker 6 (56:25):
His name included.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Okay, well that's all the time we have today.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
I don't know, I don't wear it.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
It's okay.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
You've got a week plus to figure it out. Like
I mentioned, I'm going to be back in the studio
with Patrick Claiban. Matt Harmon will be via remote. Those
two guys are old friends. I believe they attended each
other's weddings.

Speaker 6 (56:43):
A guy, not a VIA guy.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
I should be.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
I'm a Vita Harmon, a guy. We're saying hi to
Matt Harmon. Football's back