April 1, 2025 • 50 mins
Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Colleen Wolfe and Patrick Claybon to react to all of the news coming out of the NFL's owners meetings. First, Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic joins the show live from the meetings to give us a vibes check (00:10). The crew then talks about the debate around the tush push (10:00), the change to the league's overtime rules (19:15), and other changes for next season. After the break, the return of the NFC East Escape Room with the New York Giants(25:32), a discussion about Dallas Goedert's future in Philadelphia (30:10), the Steelers and Aaron Rodgers (34:30), Micah Parsons firing back at Jerry Jones on Twitter (43:20) and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we say see you next
Tuesday on the beach. I'm Greg Rostal. I'm in the
Chris Wesleyan podcast studio. I'm with Patrick Claybon and Colleen Wolf.
But look, it's a full house today, Craig.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I'm usually not sitting this close to you.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
It is weird. Why are you city there?
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Don't know?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Patrick took your seat. We didn't talk about Cia signed.
Speaker 5 (00:26):
We didn't talking about it.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
We don't have time to talk about it because we
have a correspondent from the NFL Annual League meetings.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Do you hear her laughing?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
And if you uh check us out on YouTube you
will see her with the beautiful Breakers Resort water behind her.
The colors are popping. Thank you Jordan for joining. It's
just a little vibe check to start the show. How's
it going down there?
Speaker 6 (00:53):
Clearly everything is so terrible. What No, it's fantastic. It's
been good vibes. You know, some animated discussion about the
tush push and not much else. That's really been the
main topic of discussion. Tabled it for now. I know
you guys will get to it and what I assume
will be a fantastic show. But yeah, it's been really
(01:16):
really interesting here. You know, lots of side sessions, reporters, coaches, executives,
you know, it's all happening.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
Here in Jordan. Are there any particular sides of this
heated discussion on the on the Brotherly show for it?
Speaker 6 (01:36):
Okay, So what I like, and I'm assigning my own
like storytelling to this obviously, but what I really like
the dynamic that's emerged here is the two sort of
dominating coaching trees, So the Sirianni Coaching Tree with Shane
Steichen et cetera, et cetera, and the Shanahan McVeigh Coaching
Tree with them backing their boy Matt Lafleur on this.
(01:59):
Because the Packers sort of like took the lead and
the charge. I feel like someone drew the short straw
and taking the lead on this, but taking the lead
in these discussions, and like you'll notice in a lot
of these quotes that you're seeing from these sessions that
it's all the Sirianni people like advocating for the Toush
push to remain in existence with some great argument backing
(02:22):
up that. And I think you guys know where I
stand on this. And then on the other side of things,
it's Lafleur and McVeigh who's on the Competition committee, and
Raheem Morris and they're all talking about how they are
against it. So it's a little tree battle here in
the land of palm trees.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
It's kind of giving rival fraternities. Oh yeah, like that's
that's kind of how I'm picturing the league meetings start.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Are they not hanging out as much now because and
a lot of pastel Colleen, a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Oh well, they're resort where they break it out the
time of year.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
It's Tuesday, and we will get two.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yes, the Toush push band being tabled for now, and
there are some details we'll get into. But while we
have you, Jordan, I know the league meeting party is
on Monday night.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Oh wow, Oh shoot, I.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Have an insider that told me Serena Williams was there randomly.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I mean, how is that? Yes, you know, I'm I'm.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Sure a lot of dorky sports writers just told her
like came.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
We saw it on Twitter though, right, didn't we see pictures.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Of some well I saw her at like a summit,
you know, she had they had Caitlin Clark there they
were talking about the future of women. But she hung
around for the party, which which is great. Were what
was going on at the party?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Give us a little vibes?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
And uh, does that also mean maybe the coaching trees,
like they're not talking to each other even even.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Careful what you say about the parties?
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (03:44):
Nice try Greg. First of all, yeah, nice try.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
No, it was cool.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
So I don't fan girl much because you know, we
work in the NFL. We see a lot of people
we really admire all the time.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Different, It's okay, you can say.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Different. That's why I advocate for the tush push, by
the way. So but I also I when I saw
Serena Williams at the league party, she not only looks
like she could still win any tournament she wanted, but
also she floats like she's this ethereal graceful. Like I squealed,
(04:21):
I giggles, I was. I was instantly transported to my
most you know, basic reactions and instincts. I like checked
my hair just in case she saw me, you know,
like she is incredible. It was really cool what her
Kaylyn Clark, We're here to do to really talk about
investing in like football, and women's sports in the future
(04:42):
of different ways to invest in, partner and expand those
efforts across the league.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And it was cool.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
I talked to a lot of executives and coaches, partners
and their kids who were so thrilled that that was
the case. Now on the other side of things and
not to you know, make this seem like it's any life.
That's cool. But one of my favorite things also that
I saw over the course of this week, and it
does sound like a mad lib, I understand, but it
(05:09):
was indeed Guy Fieri walking around with an unlit cigar,
no with with Jay Glazer. They're holding court at all
of these things and guys like turns out and I've
never met this man, turns out he's just lovely. He's
just a very kind person.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
That's what I've heard.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
Dynamic. He's dynamic. You know, don't ask him about flavortown.
I source says it. You know, it gets a little
sensitive about that.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
He's present for a reason.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I saw him in the passenger seat of his Chevy
Camaro just rolling down the street at the Atlanta super Bowl.
Is it red with the Yeah with the like music
just absolutely cranked and he wasn't even driving. He's just
waving from the passenger seat like the mayor because everyone
just wants to.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Say hide the guy. Very he really is the best.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I was having an argument with Emica this week and
we are way off track here was is he the
most successful reality show winner ever? Because that actually is
how he was arn was next food start? So it's
Kelly Clarkson, It's Carrie Underwood, it's Guy Fieri. I don't
know who are the other options. I think you could
(06:19):
make the argument it's.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Guy unless you want to take the star search route
and include like ushers.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Okay, that's a previous generation, but that's fair.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Yeah, the mayor of Flavortone.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Sorry, Jordan. Meanwhile, she's holding up her phone. How tired
is your your arm?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Right now?
Speaker 6 (06:37):
Did you guys need me anymore?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Or is that that is?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I mean, Jordan, just to your point about Serena, I
did the same exact thing with Serena at the super Bowl.
She walked past me and I felt like a teenager.
I immediately grabbed my phone and I'm never on top
of these things. I'm always missing the moment, like I
don't I don't get my camera out in time whatever.
It out so fast and the video is so cool.
(07:03):
She's so cool. She really does float. You're one thousand
percent correct. She has this aura around her. She's just cool,
Like everything about her is cool. And I will never
in this lifetime reach anywhere near the coolness that she is.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
Yeah, and I have to tell you so, like sports
writers are famously like anything, free food, like that's where
everyone's attention. Yeah, is free food, free drinks like this
leak party had to move indoors because there was a
bunch of.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Lightning and a hurricane morning or something.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
I might be off on that factually, but something was
happening that cuts an alarm, and so everyone moved inside.
Free drinks, as I mentioned, and the Parmesan wheel was
getting everyone's attention, and that was on once. That was
on one side of the room. However, when Serena walked in,
it was like this, like hush. It was like the
(07:58):
prom queen like you know in the in the nineties movies,
and everyone just whipped their heads around and like, oh
my god, she's so freaking cool.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Of all the cheeses, I know, I'm Jean Wheel. I've
never been to these meetings. This is awful.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Next time, Jordan.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
We appreciate the important groundbreaking reporting you have done in
the beautiful backdrop.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
It's worth it. You don't have to work out your
arms today. Thank you, Jordan's Love you, Jordan.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
Thanks guys, have a fun see next Tuesday. Love you.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, And I'll respect to Serena Williams for that that
comment about like she could go back out there and
uh and play a little disrespectful to the current ladies.
I don't think she's going out there and beaten Arena
Sabalanca IgA my girl?
Speaker 7 (08:39):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Is that? The yes?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Shout out to Roger Goodell representing the NFL Super Bowl
hat at the Jesse Pula Arena Sablanca Miami Final.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Did you see her steal Sablanca's Margarita the postgame show clip.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
We've We've had a lot of women tennis dock. I'm
afraid where where.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Would you see right now? Where would you see Serena.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Like if she tried to go back and play.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Yeah, you watched a couple of videos, she worked on
it for months. Where would you see her in the
next in the next open tournament.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Like twenty five?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Really?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
If that, I mean, you're basically on how she ended
her career. She was trying to win back then too. Yeah,
it's tough. Sounds like she could play. Yes, she would be,
She would be good enough to be most of the tour.
But I'm just saying respect, respect this show. If we
want to start off talking a little Serena, talking, a
little scene setting, talk, a little toushbush, we're going to
the rest of the show.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
We're really just going through the news.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
We're going through some rule changes, and we're also going
to have a special appearance once again by the New
York Giants in their escape room, which now has added
Russell Wilson to the room.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
So I'm excited about this. Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
If you listened last week in outstanding appearance by Joe
Shane and Jameis Winston and Colleen of course talking about
that escape room. But yeah, let's talk about the touchbush
right now. The idea that they would ban it has
been tabled. According to reported from ESPN. Katherin kaylor I
(10:12):
believe she said it was about even in the room
sixteen to sixteen. They suggested that perhaps the rule proposal
will be changed and they might revote on it. So
we're not done talking about this, but for now it
is tabled. Let's actually listen to Rich McKay, who is
ahead the head of that rules committee.
Speaker 8 (10:32):
On the Health and safety, that exact discussion of you know,
there's not that many plays, there's not that much data,
there's you know, all that was discussed. I think from
a health and safety standpoint, a lot of people are
concerned of what may be, not opposed what has been.
But I still think that it got to it. It
(10:52):
went to many different directions beyond health and safety, just
the traditionalness of the play, the idea that you could
push another player, the idea that we prohibit pushing on
the defense but we don't prohibited on the offense. It
just went in all those different directions. It didn't it
didn't just stay on health and safety.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Okay, so the whole health and safety thing is just
vibe seems vibe space. Like I actually believe Sean McDermott
when he talks about it, he seems the most aggressive
about it among all the coaches, is like, we just
want to prevent future injuries, but there's no evidence that
there would be future injuries.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
It seems like some I mean, why don't want to
just have your defense prevent some extra yards.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
There no situations. I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
The Eagles sent out a tweet also just at least
feeling like they got a stay of execution that I appreciate,
which was just like the emoji for the toushbush which
is officially a Georgia peach and a handstopping it.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
So congratulations to the Eagles.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
I wish McKay would have been more firm as opposed
to saying a lot of people are concerned about what
may be and we don't have actual data there.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
How big is that?
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Just say like, hey, the people bringing up these concerns
don't have the actual data to support it and they
shouldn't be bringing up those because that's what that's what
he's essentially saying. And like so there it is like
there is no health or safety, we don't have enough
data to determine that, and there we go, like that's
the end of the health and safety discussion.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
I mean, I just feel like there was a rule
that the NFL had and they changed it in two
thousand and five so players would be able to push
ball carriers, and then no one took advantage of that
until the Eagles did, and now everyone's upset.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
And McKay also said in another bite SoundBite that they
don't like it when a rule seems specifically targeted at
one team that that makes them feel uncomfortable and generally
is a sign that it's not a very good rule.
So they are gonna circle back. They talked about we're
going to look at the history of it. Why did
(12:48):
why exactly did we you know, change the rule back
in twenty years ago, and they might make the rule
that there's no pushing or pulling on offense or defense.
They'll talk about it soon, but I sixteen sixteen, that's
not close to getting it over the top. It has
to be what two I think three quarters, so that
you have eight more teams to convince. I hope the
Eagles don't make it happen because when Sean McVay spoke
(13:11):
about it, they're just like, it doesn't look like a
football play. Just looks like a rugby play.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Look, it's a football player, Like unless we're banning all
quarterbacks snakes, and it would be the Jalen Hurts rule.
It's not like Kenny Pickett was out there grounding out
yard like this is this would be the Jalen Hurts rule.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
One thing I liked that Sirianni said too was like,
you know, it was almost like a warning, Uh, if
you if you make this rule, like which is all,
We're still gonna We're still gonna sneak it. He's like,
we're still gonna sneak it.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
We don't.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
We don't call the play, we don't teach to play
any different. He was arguing against the notion that somehow
they do it differently than a normal steakuse like, we
we coached the sneak the exact same way and our
sneak would be just as successful.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
He said that the Eagles work so hard to master
the fundamentals of the play, arguing it would be unfair
to ban the push because other teams aren't successful with it.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
That's fair.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
And I appreciated how really coaching Nick Sirianni was at
such an early time in the morning. We actually have
a picture of him. This is courtesy of Zach Berman
at the p h Y Podcast. And just to circle
back to our show on Monday, Nick Shook and I
were talking about the coaches that were annually, the ones
(14:21):
that looked the most tired and maybe had the longest
night the night before. Of the coaches, Mike Tomlin was
always high on that list. Kyle Shanahan was another one.
Nick Sirianni definitely on that list.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
You know what, good for him won the Super Bowl
this year. You do your thing.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
It could be a bad still, you know, it could
be I'm being totally unfair. It's also a bad draw
by the NFC coaches they get the morning after the party,
whereas yeah, the other coaches, but they're they're probably partying.
They're here the breakers that they're hard working guys, they
deserve it, and.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
The party is probably after the party, right, nobody's really.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Turning on exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
There's multiple parties within the party.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
You're right.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
I've never been a party to either one.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
You're right, But sometimes some people don't pay themselves. They
might be not the ones that make it out as long.
But you're right. The more it's not usually the coaches,
that's fair. The more embarrassing performances are after the party.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
It just seems like a bad idea, like hydrate everybody.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It's still ultimately a work function. It's still kind of
you know, Christmas parties have taken out a lot of
employees over the years, and this feels like a similar situation.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
You just want to be careful about.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
The Lion's proposal about playoff seating was tabled, but I
did see from Dave Burquette, who covers the Lions in Detroit,
that there's optimism that it could still pass with tweaks.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
So I don't know what those tweaks are. Just hold
that thought. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Their proposal was about the NFC North. For instance, last year,
the Vikings would have been seated over the NFC South winner,
the wildcard winners getting a higher I mean the wildcard records.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, you like that.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I love that rule. I think that's how the rule
should be.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
I don't think it's really fair if you are in
a mediocre division that you were going to a home game,
Like the best teams should have the home games.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Yeah. And Sean mcvay's point, like, hey, you're deemphasizing winning
the division. Yeah that's the point. Yeah, we're emphasizing all
the others. Yeah, that's that's the point. Like it's it's
not an argument to me that this division title is
sec Like nobody's putting up division title banners.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Right in Seattle now, Seattle won the division when they
had the beast quake, but they were hosting I believe,
like a twelve win.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Saints team something like that. That's this year.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I guess the beast quake would it wouldn't have happened.
I'm almost making a case against it. But that game,
it wasn't really fair that Saints team kind of had
earned that home game. You still get to make the playoffs.
You still could have done the beast quake in New Orleans.
We are gonna expand replay assists. That's something we talked
about last week, where like the replays. I know you've
really studied up on these rules changes. Oh my god,
(16:50):
you went called an experts.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
There's anyone that loves rules, it's me. I love rules,
I love following rules. I hate when people break rules.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
You do a weekly segment famously on NFL Gate I
Walt Anderson.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
My guy, Walt Anderson and Mooch. It's really fun. I
swear to god, I love it. It's it's me and
Mooch's favorite segment.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
And we have multiple calls with Walt Anderson throughout the
week and he sends us the videos that that the
teams get of all the cut ups from the week
and the different things that they're emphasizing.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
And I talked to Walt before this.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Show, Yes, and he was talking about the expanded replay
because that was a topic multiple times on our Sunday show.
So now if there's a call that's egregiously wrong, they
can pick up the flag. They can never throw a
flag down with replaces, they can only pick it up.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
But if a.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Ref or if a call is for a face mask
or a horse caller or anything.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Roughing the pass, roughing the passic kicker.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
And it's wrong, then that will be fixed.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Progress.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
I love, Yes, expand away. Let's continue to expand. And
I know there's folks out there that it's like, oh,
Patrick's arguing against rest having jobs. No, I just want
to see them in like an executive role in that
when you see executives and don't necessarily know what they do, like,
that's what I would like refereeing to be like.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
And all executives have assistance, and.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
That's what this is like to be like the umpire
in tennis, for instance. At this point, because everything is electronic,
you're not really sure what they do. Although when they
went electronic that did cost a lot.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Of people jobs, but there are still a lot of
subjective calls that replaces will never assist.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Yes, I don't think they're ever going to go back
to pass interference being part of that. Touchbacks will be
taken out to the thirty five yard line, So that's
exciting if you send a touch back a lot more
kickoff returns.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Exactly because when it was at the thirty before, the
average drive start was at the twenty nine they found,
so that was just like a one yard difference.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Now it will be a six yard difference. That's huge.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Kylie is so prepared for the rules part of the
show that I just feel like we're in the way.
I kind of want her to lead the way and
I know you're so unprepared for the rest of the show.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I want you to cook. I want you to cook now.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
No, It's like it's like, you know, for my Celtics
when Sam Howser comes off the bench, like get him
his yea, his ten to three point attempts in the
eight minutes that he's in the game, and then.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
This will incentified teams to force kickoffs.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I am excited about that. Was that was a really
good rule.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I also notice they changed the overtime rules and now
both teams get the ball, but overtime is gonna stay
at ten minutes. They had originally said they'd expanded to
fifteen minutes, but they're going to keep it at ten minutes.
But both teams get the ball now in regular season overtime.
I'm I'm fine with this, but I think there could
be repercussions, like what what like more ties?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
It's just encouraging more ties.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Not that there's like gonna be a flood of ties,
but if the average amount of ties per year, and
I have no idea what it is, I would guess
it's about one.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
If that in I like double, you know, I don't
think so, you don't think so it might go to
like two.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I feel like, yeah, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Just because now both teams get it and you're going
to run out of time.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
That's fine as long as right, because if since the
rules are consistent now from a regular season to the postseason,
and regular season games do impact the postseason, it's what
makes the most sense.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
But they're not consistent. This is not consistent the regulation
in the regular season, it'll be ten minutes and then
the game's over. So take yourself back to the Super
Bowl between the forty nine Ers and the Chiefs. The
forty nine Ers have that long field goal drive which
took forever. Now they might have played it even differently.
(20:39):
They probably would have tried to take as much time
off it as possible. Then the Chiefs get the ball.
They would have only had if it was a regular
season game, a couple minutes to go drive down the field.
They probably would have been having to play faster and
probably would have had a field goal attempt.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
But although you really never know, the whole world would
be different.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I'm saying if that was a regular season game, if
it's a postseason game, then you can just play play
it forever.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Well, okay, also, a tie. It sucks when you're watching
the game. It sucks if you're playing the game. But
at the end of the year, when all of the
seating and the records mean something extra, those ties are
good for teams.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I don't hate the tie as much as other people.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Know.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
There's this group of people who do this performative Oh
I hate ties. It's like it's bad, it's just the worst.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Thing, Like, oh, I hate a tie in real time.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
But I would prefer to have a winner to the game.
But when we're like grinding people in the pulp, you know,
thirty minutes after the game, it's like, okay.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Plus it brings about the worst cliche in sports, which
is that it's like kissing your sister.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
I don't just why why that should be banned? Not
the touch push?
Speaker 5 (21:45):
Who brought Who made that original?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Because I mean there's a whole lot of people who
are just you know, they can't have an original thought,
and they just repeat things that they heard. Yeah, but
who's the first person to say that? Because I have
some questions.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah, maybe it's like kissing your sister on the cheek.
Is that okay?
Speaker 5 (22:01):
That's fine? No, they the implication is not cheek.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
That's not good.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I don't like any of it.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Our research department, led by Eric Roberts and Chris Bobona,
say that we've had five ties since twenty nineteen. Okay,
so that's in six seasons. So my one per year
was about right.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
How many did we have last year?
Speaker 3 (22:20):
None? We actually haven't had any since twenty two.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, but that's just random, you know, there was there
was two and twenty two, and then one in nineteen
twenty and twenty one.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
So we've had a little while.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
The last tie was Commander's Giants back in twenty two two.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
It's East of Them.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Edgar rip Miller in nineteen forty six is credited with
the Kissingers.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I love I love how absolutely random this show is.
Let's us wrap the rules part of it, and then
we're going to take a little break. The NFL shortened
the time necessary to flex a TNF game. It used
to be four weeks, now it's three weeks. Not really
that important. The lion idea to eliminate automatic first downs
(23:02):
for holding calls doesn't pass. Dan Campbell wasn't totally giving up,
said it had a little support in the room, but
that did not happen. Teams can now wear throwbacks four
times a year.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I love it. Three.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
I like that throwbacks if you wear them eight times
in two years, though, just just make that the uniform.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
And then this isn't This isn't a rule, but I
just thought I would put it here at the beginning
of the show because it affects us the most.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
We're playing a triple header on Christmas. Now, have you
heard about this? Two?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Netflix games and one Amazon Prime game. Now it's I
don't know if it's going to be annually, but this
is a Thursday, it's traditionally a football day.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
They're loading up. We've gone from one to two to three.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I hope there's four next year.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Yeah, oh wow, maybe it's the late November birthday. But
I've always loved Thanksgiving and so making everything Thanksgiving is better,
and so now we get it on Christmas without like
the genocide denial, and so that's cool.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Do you usually work it?
Speaker 5 (23:58):
No? Not Thanksgiving all co work.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Two different perspectives here. Thanksgiving, though, you get stuck working.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
But yeah, league guy, everything thinks.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Oh yeah, more football, more football.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
We don't need.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Holidays with our families.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
No, no, no, no, we want to spend holidays here right here,
or at the game.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Facts.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yes, I'm always in support of more football in generously,
I famously was the originator of the idea that we
should just play two games a day for the entire Nflcon.
They made up a whole mox schedule and actually he
there's no days off. That was before I had my
second child, and I've now come a lot around, So
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that's a bad idea.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Greg you really did this and you really thought about it. Yes,
and really picture was over and this this was.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Over a decade ago. I thought two games a day.
We just spread it out. Yeah, everyone's excited for every game.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Then every day is football. Now every day is a Sunday.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
So look forward to Christmas. Yeah, I just it's a lot.
It's a lot to make that such an NFL day.
I have mixed feelings. I do have mixed feelings.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
I kind of I like a if we're gonna have
a Christmas slate, I feel like one game is.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Good, I'm kind of with you there, and yet more
football we'll be covering it here.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Oh yeah on NFL Day.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I have a little bit of mixed feelings on Christmas
in general, because my family leaves me for it, and
so I have to pretend that Christmas they leave you
every year is the weekend before. Yes, And then everyone
hears that, and then they get bummed out by it,
and then they.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Start like, oh, you should come over to do this.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I think, no, no, it's fine, And so I actually
thought like it was kind of like a nice free day.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I have been on that side where I'm like come over.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, no, and it's fine, I'm just it's but now
that there's football, it's like, okay, you can't even just
chill and go to like a movie with like a
movie or just whatever. You got to kind of watch them.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
As long as they don't touch Christmas Eve, I'm good
they do.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
They do.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
We had a Christmas A Network game a few years ago,
hopefully three games on Christmas. Looking forward to Eric, I
hope you're ready Christmas night. We're doing the show.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
He stays ready, so he doesn't get ready right now.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Let's take a quick break. We're going to come back.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
We're going to talk about all the NFC coaches they
talked at the Coach's Breakfast, one of the more random
annual traditions. And yes, we're going back into that escape
room with the Giant.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yes we are.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Previously on NFL First Dates, Jamis Winston and the Giants
are in the heart of the Lower east Side at
NFC East Escape, the kind of place you find on
a damp, gloomy night, next to an abandoned warehouse covered
in graffiti. Inside the escape room, an unforgettable night is unfolding. Jamis,
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ever the showman, leads a captive audience through the Dallas Chamber.
Here distractions abound, limits are tested, and the photosensitive will
not survive. It's a first date with grave consequences. Flashing lights,
pom poms, and ear splitting country music fills the space
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as the group desperately tries to solve star shaped puzzles.
In the far corner of chaos, Little Jordan Humphrey unlocks
a hidden compartment. Click, the room goes silent. Chauncey Golston gasps.
A holographic projection of Jerry Jones splashes the wall. His
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message will change the course of this evening. Beads of
sweat begin to form on Tommy DeVito's face. The long
hots at dinner where a bad idea Jamis grabs Tommy
by the shoulders and tells him to stay focused. Suddenly
the room feels smaller. It's getting warmer and more difficult
de breathe. As time ticks on, Jerry speaks in cryptic code,
(28:05):
saying things like we're all in stats are for losers,
and I tried to get us what I thought was
the equivalent of a romo with Quincy Carter. In the
third round, he ends the odd rant with four words,
The future is calling A phone rings next to Brian Daball.
(28:31):
He doesn't answer because he doesn't yet know who's calling
the plays next season, Jamis springs into action to.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Take the call.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
He's in full control right now until he hears the
voice on the other end. The glint in his eye
immediately disappears. The call is coming from inside the house.
An unexpected addition to the room, A hidden door swings
open to reveal the sly grin on Russell Wilson's face.
(29:05):
Heard you guys were doing some divisional bondage, I mean bonding,
his voice echoing through the room. Mind if I joined
the party, Party, Party, Just a little friendly competition to
be continued.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Brilliant.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Time ticks on, keeps on ticking. Will they get out
of the escape room? I don't know if they're going
to get out of the NFC just.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I don't know either. I don't know if Davill ever
gets out.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
It sounds like they had firm leadership.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
But now stability is completely right too.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Many cooks.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Also just excellent writing in so many different ways, but
also picking the three funniest names you could from the
Giants Chauncey Golston, Little Jordan Humphrey and Tommy DeVito. So
it's just that's great little huh. It's the small touches.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah, Chauncey Golston came from Dallas.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
That makes sense too.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
But just words, Wow, we're gonna have to make me
a weekly segment of calling visits go to the Eagles section. Oh,
speaking of which, what a transition. Let's talk about Nick Sirianni.
So we talked toush Push earlier. But just in terms
of the team, there were a couple of little nuggets
and you know, I'm diving deep.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
So most of these we can be quick on.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
But just some of the nugs that came out from
the coach's breakfast on Tuesday morning. And yes, it's very
early when they start this. He was asked about Dallas
Godter and he said, right now he's on our team.
We'll see what happens and how that happens, and that
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door is not just back open. That answer makes me
think Dallas Goddard's not going to be on the Eagles
unless they're playing some sort of hardball publicly. They don't
get the benefit of him not being on the Eagles
financially until after June first, So maybe that's part of it,
or maybe they're trying to work out a trade. But
very interesting.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Is how he trying to get like an extra draft
pick here, maybe a fourth rounder or something.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
Yeah, just a few more shots at the barrel. But
I wonder you get diminishing returns at some point because
Dallas Goddard's skill set isn't just readily available. Yeah, there,
and there's no answer that's currently on the team.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Right And I had such a good streak of tight
ends in Philadelphia, zach Ertz before that, even Brent Selleck.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
And he can still play, but he has struggled to
stay on the field. So I think that's that's where
it's at. And then making decisions. And Howie Roseman was
asked about it too, and he just said, there's no update.
You know, how he's been a tremendous player, and they
signed guys Harrison Bryant, Kylie grantson. But now I'm kind
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of combining how he comments. And he had another quote
I wanted to talk about, but I think it should
be married with this Goddard deal. He says, quote, we
are incomplete right now. Talent Act quisition season has just started.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Oh season SZN I mean, and it was pointed.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Out on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I believe this was from Zach Berman as well, getting
a lot of pop on this show that at this
time three years ago when they were last at the Breakers,
how he said something similar. And after that part of
the off season, they.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Traded for a j.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Brown, they traded for Chauncey Gardner Johnson, and there was
another big off season move that I'm forgetting about off
the top of my head, but the point being they
brought in Oh it was James Bradbury bringing him as
a free agent who ended up playing a big role
for them. And that makes me think, Okay, I've been
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talking about the Eagles have been weirdly quiet this offseason,
just picking around the margins. I thought they might push
to the middle of like let's really go for it.
And now I'm kind of circling draft weekend. I'm thinking
about Dallas Gotter. He could be part of this as
part of some trades that they still have some significant
moves to make.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
He's basically saying it, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Mean, he's there. It's no secret though.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Also everyone expects the Eagles and Howie Roseman to make
a splash and make moves before the draft. That's what happens,
That's what they do. But it is a strange strategy.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
There's two tight ends with a first round grade that
might be available at thirty two, where that could ultimately
determine how they go and maybe them maybe the draft
is what explains the right now and.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
There's a couple good those second round tight ends two
or Mason Taylor might be a guy they look at
as a guy you would take in the first round,
or Elijah Arroyo.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I would assume that.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
They will trade out of that spot so someone else
can hop in there and get the rights to like
a quarterback or something that they want to just take
a flag on. I feel like that always happens with
the last spot in the first round.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
I would doom Jackson Dart. If somebody comes up and
makes a trade with Howie at thirty two right and Dart,
that would spell disaster.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Maybe maybe Nick was just like a little sweaty, it's
early in the morning and stuff, But just that the
tone in the way he was answering this, I now
kind of expect Dallas got it would not be on
the ego side.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Now that you're now that you've put it into that
perspective and seeing his photo and seeing that he maybe
didn't look like he was at one hundred percent himself
now now that it has even more truth to him.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Art Rooney, the second UH, spoke to reporters on Tuesday
and was a little more revealing on the Aaron Rodgers front, saying,
we keep hearing that he's headed in our direction, and
so it seems to be that all signs are positive
so far dot dot dot, and that the Steelers will
(34:52):
quote wait a little while longer, but not forever, that
they'll only have to wait a little while longer.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
He's basically saying this thing happening.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
This is almost like the boss revealing more than the
guys underneath of Mike Tomlin or their GM wanted to.
But he's basically assuming Aaron Rodgers is going to be
on the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
I feel like he's just looking at his phone waiting
for the text to come through, Like this is like
someone who is just sort of checking their phone every
five minutes to see if this person texted them.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yet No, still not there. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
It's giving that it feels like everybody has been very
careful on every step of the process, and this feels
like the dangerous move where everybody is on tiptoes and
you have to abide by the rules of this person
who could do anything. You don't know what This person's
a wild card. You don't know how they're going to
make the decision or what's going to play into it,
so you don't want to mess up. And when you're
the person who ultimately is making the decisions in art
(35:47):
roomy the second you can say things like this, I'm
just concerned that the habitual line stepper that's involved that
we're discussing, who people are afraid to criticize because they
don't know what he's gonna do. How's how's he going
to react to like, Oh, you're expecting it. Oh well,
nobody tells me what to do, right that that would
be market.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
And if you're already dealing with that, like is this
really the relationship you want?
Speaker 5 (36:10):
Set a date? He should set a date.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Oh, a deadline is great, because I'm wondering if at
this point Aaron Rodgers is just asking for concessions from
Arthur Smith or like, what what is happening?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Who knows? Uh, we'll put a pint on it. More
on this topic on Wednesday show. I'm actually going to
have Dave damashek on the program you are, and we
are going to just present the case of why the
stealers shouldn't do this.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
What about Fruit of the Year, Well, I'll ask.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Him about how that's shaping up. So fu So thanks,
before it's too late. We had we had to move
this show up. Uh wait that your very first podcast.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
For the NFL.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
It was on It was on the DDFP. Okay, I
owe this headset to check.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Actually, when I auditioned for NFL Network, he was the
person that was sitting at the desk with me while
I auditioned.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
So he was like the faux analyst.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
And he was obviously instrumental in getting Yeah, I wouldn't
be here off the ground around the NFL podcast off
the ground too.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
So he's the best. Everyone.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Check out his latest YouTube video by the way, for
Dan Levatard's show. It's it's outstanding. You'll find it there
on Chick's page. All right, let's go through this. Not
a lot of other huge headlines, but when we're talking Steelers,
it made me think of DK Metcalf and Dave Canalis
volunteered to kay Adams on her show that they were
in on on DK metcalf. There was some reporting about that,
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but she asked him about like, hey, what about Tyreek
Hill and he was like, well, we were in on DK.
There were some interesting conversations there. He also then said, well,
but we've got Xavier Laguette. We think he could be
that guy. And when talking about the number eight overall pick,
he says, we have to address defense. They were dead
last in defense, so kind of tipping his hand there.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
I do wonder.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Though, I think this tyreek Hill situation is bubbling as
a possibility, and I would put the page Anther's near
the top of the list of a team just crazy
enough to do it.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
I don't know it would be crazy. It would be
who's willing to make the biggest financial investment in Tyreek
Hill at this point.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yes, I'm not saying crazy or even desperate, but I
do think there's a risk rewards situation with Tyreek Hill
that wasn't there as much for the Dolphins in that
his age and the money, you know, and potential decline
with everything else, and by everything else, I just think
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he takes management as a as a star receiver potentially
on the decline Tyre.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
I just can't picture Tyreek Hill in Carolina with that
team and the way that they play, and his personality
in general.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
I do think you would fill.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
With Bryce Young though, like Bryce Tua, like a lot
of yards after the catch, like I could see that it.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Could go great, could also really blow up.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
I kind of want I kind of want to see
Tyreek out out of that offense at this point. If
in Miami after twenty twenty five, I'm I'm willing to
be done with they with this edition of the Miami Dolphin.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Okay, everyone working there disagrees, but I know what you're saying.
Raheem Morris was talking about kirk Cousins. He just was like,
we really want him to be our backup, but if
it's good for both of us, we would like to
see a trade happen. We're kind of expecting a trade
to happen by Draft day. I mean, on draft weekend.
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Would you look forward to Colleen kirk Cousins Week one
starter Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Oh, that's interesting because last year I'm thinking about how
night one of the draft, kirk Cousins was on the
mind of everyone when the Falcons drafted a quarterback in
the first round. And so if that happens again, that
would be really interesting for Kirk Cousins. It doesn't make
me all of a sudden think that the Browns are
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going to be good.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
If Kirk Cousins is there.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
No, and I'm checking this schedule, they're not on the schedule.
I would like to see like a Falcons revenge all
the Falcons Browns. Yeah, that would be a good So
it would it be revengeful I don't pay me so
much money and not telling me, well, you're going to
draft Michael Pennox right, and then benching me when I
clearly couldn't move.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
So, but if Draft Knight is the idea with the
Browns picking too, wouldn't it incentivize the Browns to do
this before Draft Knight?
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Not if they have sort of a tacit agreement that
Kirk wants to get past the draft and make sure
that they don't take a quarterback, and and that's the
whole idea, and you trade.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Them on dra date maybe they're waiting, and yeah, you
trade them for some more fifth rout pick, And so
that's happens in D three.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
I don't know, it should be fine Todd Bowles I
thought was interesting, said they really needed to draft a cornerback.
Mike Rabel said that you got to see Will Campbell,
who's a potential number four overall pick, as a left tackle.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
How can you not see him?
Speaker 5 (40:50):
That's that's what you gotta do.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Yeah, I guess it makes sense, but people are.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
Yeah, it is a silly idea where it's like, oh, well,
if it's not worth just put him at guard tackle.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Matt Lafleur in them left tackle News says their first
round pick from a year ago will compete at left tackle,
and confirmed Elkton Jenkins is going to play at center.
They think he could be an all Pro center. He's
bounced around all over that offensive line. This one My
only interested interests me what is it? But in Judy Batista,
I think she's with me on this, this historical stuff
(41:20):
that we get into. They have now decided the NFL
that All American Football Conference stats will count towards NFL stats.
Can anyone in either room tell me what the All
American Football Conference is. I should have prepped you on this,
but I didn't any idea, any idea. It was a
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league that merged with the NFL, but not the AFL.
It was back like in the late forties into fifty
that merged with the NFL. And I believe you know
there's a number of teams that still exist from the
afcaf Discussia.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
He absolutely would.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
I miss Wes, he's so much knowledge on this.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Okay, So the AAFC was eight teams at the time,
the NFL was ten teams at the time. They forced
a merger, and from that merger, the Cleveland Browns were born. Well,
they were already there winning titles with Paul Brown back
in the AFC. The San Francisco forty nine ers come
from that, and then the New York Yanks, which eventually
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I believe became the Giants.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Also using baseball team shout out to the Los Angeles Dons.
Did not know that that was a team.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
What we need to find merch and they.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Play at the college they played at the coliseum literally
still exists. But the big takeaway from this for me
is that Paul Brown now gets like twenty seven more wins,
so he moves up the all time coaching list.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
He's now up to number seven.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
A lot of people would say maybe the most important
person if you had to choose one in the history
of football, Bill Belichick would say Paul Brown would be
the most important one, at least in terms of the NFL,
like in terms of modern and then this one is
the one. I like Marion Motley, who is also Belichick's
favorite all time player, a running back full back with
the Browns, is now the all time leader in yards
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per carry, not counting quarterbacks like Lamar and Michael Vicker
ahead of them, but in terms of running backs, Mary
and Motley. So I just thought, if you want to
know about football like that, that's that's something. Let's talk
a little bit about Micah Parsons. As we were taping,
Jerry Jones spoke about Michael Parsons's contract situation. Michael Parsons
(43:30):
then quickly responded on Twitter, let's listen to Jerry Jones.
Speaker 7 (43:34):
The agent is not a factor here of something to
worry about. And I don't know his name, awful And
so my point is that I'm not trying to domeaning
in any way, but just saidn't about an agent. The
agent doesn't have one thing to do with what we're
(43:55):
doing when we get on a football field against the team. Condo.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
There it is Jerry Jones and I are on the
same execs. Since the agent is not an issue in
this what's what's the prohibiting factor?
Speaker 1 (44:12):
I I don't know, But that agent is David Mullagetta,
who is the most powerful agent I would say in
the NFL, one of the most powerful people. I would say,
Jerry knows his name in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
That's two.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Well, it could go both ways. Maybe not right.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
I don't know. He might he might be saying that
to make a point, which I would love, or you know,
so petty, he might just be getting up there. Michael
Pyson's responded uh on Twitter, sayting facts, David is the best.
I will not be doing any deal without him involved,
like anyone with good sense. I hired experts for a reason.
There's no one I trust more. There will be no
(44:51):
back doors in this contract. Like, uh, I don't even
know what that means. How that is responding to the thing.
But Jerry Jones that was it's pretty disrespectful, I guess,
or just ignorance, I don't know, Or.
Speaker 5 (45:04):
It's a proper analysis of the way that the system works. Yeah,
you know. David Mugiletta is an employee of Michael Parsons,
who's gonna harvest three percent of his earnings or between
one and three percent. I don't know. I don't know
exactly what he's paying paying them for.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yeah, I wasn't planning to bring this up either, but
it's mullagedda day. Apparently across the national media. On First
Take this morning, they were talking about Jimmy Haslm's comments
They're the Browns owner about essentially how you know they
had the big swing and a miss with Deshaun Watson.
And as they were talking about that in context, all
(45:41):
the hosts and it was Stephen A. Smith, Shannon Sharp,
and Ryan Clark all went out of their way to
praise David Mullagetta and saying what a great job that
David Melageda did negotiating that contract. And they're all laughing
about it and saying, like, what an amazing job that
he did in that scenario. And so I do want
(46:02):
to point out what he did in that scenario was
essentially get the entire media landscape to stay quiet about
how much the sexual assault allegations were going to affect
the rest of Deshaun Watson's career and kind of like
look past that as a factor in what a contract
would be and convince the Browns to sign a sexual
(46:25):
predator for two hundred and thirty million dollars, not only
ruining their franchise because he was not good at football anymore,
but because of all those allegations and the endless kind
of court battles that he was in and the suspension
that kept him away from the game, you know, potentially
affected not only himself and how his career is basically over,
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but also made it a miserable experience to root for
the Browns or play for the Browns or be employed
by the Browns for three years. And those three guys
are all laughing and saying what a great job the
agent did, But also there was a great job.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
There were teams lining up for this, So the Browns
were just the ones that ended up with him, but
it could have been.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
The Saints, yeah, or the Falcons.
Speaker 5 (47:15):
Yeah. It honestly gives Mugalletta too much credit that the
landscape was fine with Deshaun Watson coming back. That's how
he came back. As Jimmy Haslam said, we'll give him
credit for saying the thing he wanted him ultimately, and
Mugalletta had a player who was in what we thought
was the problem of his career, who was an actual
free agent and had the leverage in that situation. There
(47:37):
were there were other agents. I would argue that I right,
in that position, we could have negotiated a a guarantee.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
What a plot to us that would be if you
became an agent, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (47:46):
It would be. And unfortunately I would have to tell
the people the truth that the player is the person
who's actually providing the labor. And if a team is
interested in the services of the player, then they could
contact the player and make the deal without me. Right.
But yeah, I'll take I'll take money. But this idea
that he was necessary in that way. Too many people
were willing to give to shop lots of money.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Sure, but also all these years later, this is an
ultimate example of the classic tweet that you do not,
under any circumstances, got to hand it to them. You
do not have to hand it to Dave David mullagetto
what what he did in that moment. He was He
was not ultimately in service of his client, like any
(48:28):
any of it was not a good.
Speaker 5 (48:29):
Job or any client right where the league is now
going to be more reluctant to give a player full
of guaranteed contract specifically because of this situation. It may
have got for business, it may have set everybody back.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
Well, that was a detour I didn't expect to make
a necessary one as Yeah, a very annoying thing to
see this this morning, truly to stop.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
Uh, let's just wrap with a couple of little little nuggets.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Kyle Shanahan said theyre going to bring in a kicker
to compete with Jake Moody, So you're you're on watch.
Jed Yorke, their owner, said that they're not far apart
on brock Purty contract talks.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
Okay, so that's good.
Speaker 5 (49:05):
That's that agent is working out.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
I don't want that to the last all offseason. Then
some contract extension talks depending on the source or These
were mostly from GM's and coaches, Derrick Henry, Terry McLaurin,
Kyrin Williams of the Rams, Terry McLaurin of course with
the Commanders, Henry with the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
They all might be getting some.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Contract extensions. I would sign you guys to contract extend
if I could, well, thanks Greg, and not even take
three percent. This would have been the crew last season.
If you're a real NFL Daily completist, then you listen
to all the shows and your interest in this sort
of minutia. Originally the show was Colleen Patrick and myself,
(49:48):
I believe, on Wednesdays, but scheduling didn't work out, and
then you ended up doing Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
But it would have been a great show.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
It would have been great. It could be still, it
could still be.
Speaker 3 (49:58):
Like it is.
Speaker 5 (49:58):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Are you rout like politicking for the schedule next year?
Speaker 3 (50:04):
No, right now, I'm not.
Speaker 5 (50:06):
I just want to have one.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
These are the things. Yes, yes, same, same, same same.
It's in the titles.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Love football, We love our jobs.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
So they have to do. You want to keep it,
they have to keep it going. But Tuesday is just
a natural fit for you. It is Wednesday.
Speaker 5 (50:20):
You know.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
We love having you here on Tuesday, though, Patrick, appreciate you.
Speaker 5 (50:23):
Glad to be here.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
We uh thank Jordan right rig of the yeah for
joining us as well.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
I hope for armas Okay, her shoulders must be burning.
Speaker 5 (50:31):
Yeah, she's gonna have to balance that out.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Everyone in the research department in the back to Christy
Stapleton is here. Yes, we will be back on Wednesday
with Dave Damaschef. Yeah, when we're when we're going over
like Mulagetta for the million time.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
You know, football's pat
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we say see you next
Tuesday on the beach. I'm Greg Rostal. I'm in the
Chris Wesleyan podcast studio. I'm with Patrick Claybon and Colleen Wolf.
But look, it's a full house today, Craig.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I'm usually not sitting this close to you.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
It is weird. Why are you city there?
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Don't know?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Patrick took your seat. We didn't talk about Cia signed.
Speaker 5 (00:26):
We didn't talking about it.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
We don't have time to talk about it because we
have a correspondent from the NFL Annual League meetings.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Do you hear her laughing?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
And if you uh check us out on YouTube you
will see her with the beautiful Breakers Resort water behind her.
The colors are popping. Thank you Jordan for joining. It's
just a little vibe check to start the show. How's
it going down there?
Speaker 6 (00:53):
Clearly everything is so terrible. What No, it's fantastic. It's
been good vibes. You know, some animated discussion about the
tush push and not much else. That's really been the
main topic of discussion. Tabled it for now. I know
you guys will get to it and what I assume
will be a fantastic show. But yeah, it's been really
(01:16):
really interesting here. You know, lots of side sessions, reporters, coaches, executives,
you know, it's all happening.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
Here in Jordan. Are there any particular sides of this
heated discussion on the on the Brotherly show for it?
Speaker 6 (01:36):
Okay, So what I like, and I'm assigning my own
like storytelling to this obviously, but what I really like
the dynamic that's emerged here is the two sort of
dominating coaching trees, So the Sirianni Coaching Tree with Shane
Steichen et cetera, et cetera, and the Shanahan McVeigh Coaching
Tree with them backing their boy Matt Lafleur on this.
(01:59):
Because the Packers sort of like took the lead and
the charge. I feel like someone drew the short straw
and taking the lead on this, but taking the lead
in these discussions, and like you'll notice in a lot
of these quotes that you're seeing from these sessions that
it's all the Sirianni people like advocating for the Toush
push to remain in existence with some great argument backing
(02:22):
up that. And I think you guys know where I
stand on this. And then on the other side of things,
it's Lafleur and McVeigh who's on the Competition committee, and
Raheem Morris and they're all talking about how they are
against it. So it's a little tree battle here in
the land of palm trees.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
It's kind of giving rival fraternities. Oh yeah, like that's
that's kind of how I'm picturing the league meetings start.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Are they not hanging out as much now because and
a lot of pastel Colleen, a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Oh well, they're resort where they break it out the
time of year.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
It's Tuesday, and we will get two.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yes, the Toush push band being tabled for now, and
there are some details we'll get into. But while we
have you, Jordan, I know the league meeting party is
on Monday night.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Oh wow, Oh shoot, I.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Have an insider that told me Serena Williams was there randomly.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I mean, how is that? Yes, you know, I'm I'm.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Sure a lot of dorky sports writers just told her
like came.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
We saw it on Twitter though, right, didn't we see pictures.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Of some well I saw her at like a summit,
you know, she had they had Caitlin Clark there they
were talking about the future of women. But she hung
around for the party, which which is great. Were what
was going on at the party?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Give us a little vibes?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
And uh, does that also mean maybe the coaching trees,
like they're not talking to each other even even.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Careful what you say about the parties?
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (03:44):
Nice try Greg. First of all, yeah, nice try.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
No, it was cool.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
So I don't fan girl much because you know, we
work in the NFL. We see a lot of people
we really admire all the time.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Different, It's okay, you can say.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Different. That's why I advocate for the tush push, by
the way. So but I also I when I saw
Serena Williams at the league party, she not only looks
like she could still win any tournament she wanted, but
also she floats like she's this ethereal graceful. Like I squealed,
(04:21):
I giggles, I was. I was instantly transported to my
most you know, basic reactions and instincts. I like checked
my hair just in case she saw me, you know,
like she is incredible. It was really cool what her
Kaylyn Clark, We're here to do to really talk about
investing in like football, and women's sports in the future
(04:42):
of different ways to invest in, partner and expand those
efforts across the league.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And it was cool.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
I talked to a lot of executives and coaches, partners
and their kids who were so thrilled that that was
the case. Now on the other side of things and
not to you know, make this seem like it's any life.
That's cool. But one of my favorite things also that
I saw over the course of this week, and it
does sound like a mad lib, I understand, but it
(05:09):
was indeed Guy Fieri walking around with an unlit cigar,
no with with Jay Glazer. They're holding court at all
of these things and guys like turns out and I've
never met this man, turns out he's just lovely. He's
just a very kind person.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
That's what I've heard.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
Dynamic. He's dynamic. You know, don't ask him about flavortown.
I source says it. You know, it gets a little
sensitive about that.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
He's present for a reason.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I saw him in the passenger seat of his Chevy
Camaro just rolling down the street at the Atlanta super Bowl.
Is it red with the Yeah with the like music
just absolutely cranked and he wasn't even driving. He's just
waving from the passenger seat like the mayor because everyone
just wants to.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Say hide the guy. Very he really is the best.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I was having an argument with Emica this week and
we are way off track here was is he the
most successful reality show winner ever? Because that actually is
how he was arn was next food start? So it's
Kelly Clarkson, It's Carrie Underwood, it's Guy Fieri. I don't
know who are the other options. I think you could
(06:19):
make the argument it's.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Guy unless you want to take the star search route
and include like ushers.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Okay, that's a previous generation, but that's fair.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Yeah, the mayor of Flavortone.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Sorry, Jordan. Meanwhile, she's holding up her phone. How tired
is your your arm?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Right now?
Speaker 6 (06:37):
Did you guys need me anymore?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Or is that that is?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I mean, Jordan, just to your point about Serena, I
did the same exact thing with Serena at the super Bowl.
She walked past me and I felt like a teenager.
I immediately grabbed my phone and I'm never on top
of these things. I'm always missing the moment, like I
don't I don't get my camera out in time whatever.
It out so fast and the video is so cool.
(07:03):
She's so cool. She really does float. You're one thousand
percent correct. She has this aura around her. She's just cool,
Like everything about her is cool. And I will never
in this lifetime reach anywhere near the coolness that she is.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
Yeah, and I have to tell you so, like sports
writers are famously like anything, free food, like that's where
everyone's attention. Yeah, is free food, free drinks like this
leak party had to move indoors because there was a
bunch of.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Lightning and a hurricane morning or something.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
I might be off on that factually, but something was
happening that cuts an alarm, and so everyone moved inside.
Free drinks, as I mentioned, and the Parmesan wheel was
getting everyone's attention, and that was on once. That was
on one side of the room. However, when Serena walked in,
it was like this, like hush. It was like the
(07:58):
prom queen like you know in the in the nineties movies,
and everyone just whipped their heads around and like, oh
my god, she's so freaking cool.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Of all the cheeses, I know, I'm Jean Wheel. I've
never been to these meetings. This is awful.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Next time, Jordan.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
We appreciate the important groundbreaking reporting you have done in
the beautiful backdrop.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
It's worth it. You don't have to work out your
arms today. Thank you, Jordan's Love you, Jordan.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
Thanks guys, have a fun see next Tuesday. Love you.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, And I'll respect to Serena Williams for that that
comment about like she could go back out there and
uh and play a little disrespectful to the current ladies.
I don't think she's going out there and beaten Arena
Sabalanca IgA my girl?
Speaker 7 (08:39):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Is that? The yes?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Shout out to Roger Goodell representing the NFL Super Bowl
hat at the Jesse Pula Arena Sablanca Miami Final.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Did you see her steal Sablanca's Margarita the postgame show clip.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
We've We've had a lot of women tennis dock. I'm
afraid where where.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Would you see right now? Where would you see Serena.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Like if she tried to go back and play.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Yeah, you watched a couple of videos, she worked on
it for months. Where would you see her in the
next in the next open tournament.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Like twenty five?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Really?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
If that, I mean, you're basically on how she ended
her career. She was trying to win back then too. Yeah,
it's tough. Sounds like she could play. Yes, she would be,
She would be good enough to be most of the tour.
But I'm just saying respect, respect this show. If we
want to start off talking a little Serena, talking, a
little scene setting, talk, a little toushbush, we're going to
the rest of the show.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
We're really just going through the news.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
We're going through some rule changes, and we're also going
to have a special appearance once again by the New
York Giants in their escape room, which now has added
Russell Wilson to the room.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
So I'm excited about this. Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
If you listened last week in outstanding appearance by Joe
Shane and Jameis Winston and Colleen of course talking about
that escape room. But yeah, let's talk about the touchbush
right now. The idea that they would ban it has
been tabled. According to reported from ESPN. Katherin kaylor I
(10:12):
believe she said it was about even in the room
sixteen to sixteen. They suggested that perhaps the rule proposal
will be changed and they might revote on it. So
we're not done talking about this, but for now it
is tabled. Let's actually listen to Rich McKay, who is
ahead the head of that rules committee.
Speaker 8 (10:32):
On the Health and safety, that exact discussion of you know,
there's not that many plays, there's not that much data,
there's you know, all that was discussed. I think from
a health and safety standpoint, a lot of people are
concerned of what may be, not opposed what has been.
But I still think that it got to it. It
(10:52):
went to many different directions beyond health and safety, just
the traditionalness of the play, the idea that you could
push another player, the idea that we prohibit pushing on
the defense but we don't prohibited on the offense. It
just went in all those different directions. It didn't it
didn't just stay on health and safety.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Okay, so the whole health and safety thing is just
vibe seems vibe space. Like I actually believe Sean McDermott
when he talks about it, he seems the most aggressive
about it among all the coaches, is like, we just
want to prevent future injuries, but there's no evidence that
there would be future injuries.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
It seems like some I mean, why don't want to
just have your defense prevent some extra yards.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
There no situations. I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
The Eagles sent out a tweet also just at least
feeling like they got a stay of execution that I appreciate,
which was just like the emoji for the toushbush which
is officially a Georgia peach and a handstopping it.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
So congratulations to the Eagles.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
I wish McKay would have been more firm as opposed
to saying a lot of people are concerned about what
may be and we don't have actual data there.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
How big is that?
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Just say like, hey, the people bringing up these concerns
don't have the actual data to support it and they
shouldn't be bringing up those because that's what that's what
he's essentially saying. And like so there it is like
there is no health or safety, we don't have enough
data to determine that, and there we go, like that's
the end of the health and safety discussion.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
I mean, I just feel like there was a rule
that the NFL had and they changed it in two
thousand and five so players would be able to push
ball carriers, and then no one took advantage of that
until the Eagles did, and now everyone's upset.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
And McKay also said in another bite SoundBite that they
don't like it when a rule seems specifically targeted at
one team that that makes them feel uncomfortable and generally
is a sign that it's not a very good rule.
So they are gonna circle back. They talked about we're
going to look at the history of it. Why did
(12:48):
why exactly did we you know, change the rule back
in twenty years ago, and they might make the rule
that there's no pushing or pulling on offense or defense.
They'll talk about it soon, but I sixteen sixteen, that's
not close to getting it over the top. It has
to be what two I think three quarters, so that
you have eight more teams to convince. I hope the
Eagles don't make it happen because when Sean McVay spoke
(13:11):
about it, they're just like, it doesn't look like a
football play. Just looks like a rugby play.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Look, it's a football player, Like unless we're banning all
quarterbacks snakes, and it would be the Jalen Hurts rule.
It's not like Kenny Pickett was out there grounding out
yard like this is this would be the Jalen Hurts rule.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
One thing I liked that Sirianni said too was like,
you know, it was almost like a warning, Uh, if
you if you make this rule, like which is all,
We're still gonna We're still gonna sneak it. He's like,
we're still gonna sneak it.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
We don't.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
We don't call the play, we don't teach to play
any different. He was arguing against the notion that somehow
they do it differently than a normal steakuse like, we
we coached the sneak the exact same way and our
sneak would be just as successful.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
He said that the Eagles work so hard to master
the fundamentals of the play, arguing it would be unfair
to ban the push because other teams aren't successful with it.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
That's fair.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
And I appreciated how really coaching Nick Sirianni was at
such an early time in the morning. We actually have
a picture of him. This is courtesy of Zach Berman
at the p h Y Podcast. And just to circle
back to our show on Monday, Nick Shook and I
were talking about the coaches that were annually, the ones
(14:21):
that looked the most tired and maybe had the longest
night the night before. Of the coaches, Mike Tomlin was
always high on that list. Kyle Shanahan was another one.
Nick Sirianni definitely on that list.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
You know what, good for him won the Super Bowl
this year. You do your thing.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
It could be a bad still, you know, it could
be I'm being totally unfair. It's also a bad draw
by the NFC coaches they get the morning after the party,
whereas yeah, the other coaches, but they're they're probably partying.
They're here the breakers that they're hard working guys, they
deserve it, and.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
The party is probably after the party, right, nobody's really.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Turning on exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
There's multiple parties within the party.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
You're right.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
I've never been a party to either one.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
You're right, But sometimes some people don't pay themselves. They
might be not the ones that make it out as long.
But you're right. The more it's not usually the coaches,
that's fair. The more embarrassing performances are after the party.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
It just seems like a bad idea, like hydrate everybody.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It's still ultimately a work function. It's still kind of
you know, Christmas parties have taken out a lot of
employees over the years, and this feels like a similar situation.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
You just want to be careful about.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
The Lion's proposal about playoff seating was tabled, but I
did see from Dave Burquette, who covers the Lions in Detroit,
that there's optimism that it could still pass with tweaks.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
So I don't know what those tweaks are. Just hold
that thought. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Their proposal was about the NFC North. For instance, last year,
the Vikings would have been seated over the NFC South winner,
the wildcard winners getting a higher I mean the wildcard records.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, you like that.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I love that rule. I think that's how the rule
should be.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
I don't think it's really fair if you are in
a mediocre division that you were going to a home game,
Like the best teams should have the home games.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Yeah. And Sean mcvay's point, like, hey, you're deemphasizing winning
the division. Yeah that's the point. Yeah, we're emphasizing all
the others. Yeah, that's that's the point. Like it's it's
not an argument to me that this division title is
sec Like nobody's putting up division title banners.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Right in Seattle now, Seattle won the division when they
had the beast quake, but they were hosting I believe,
like a twelve win.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Saints team something like that. That's this year.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I guess the beast quake would it wouldn't have happened.
I'm almost making a case against it. But that game,
it wasn't really fair that Saints team kind of had
earned that home game. You still get to make the playoffs.
You still could have done the beast quake in New Orleans.
We are gonna expand replay assists. That's something we talked
about last week, where like the replays. I know you've
really studied up on these rules changes. Oh my god,
(16:50):
you went called an experts.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
There's anyone that loves rules, it's me. I love rules,
I love following rules. I hate when people break rules.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
You do a weekly segment famously on NFL Gate I
Walt Anderson.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
My guy, Walt Anderson and Mooch. It's really fun. I
swear to god, I love it. It's it's me and
Mooch's favorite segment.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
And we have multiple calls with Walt Anderson throughout the
week and he sends us the videos that that the
teams get of all the cut ups from the week
and the different things that they're emphasizing.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
And I talked to Walt before this.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Show, Yes, and he was talking about the expanded replay
because that was a topic multiple times on our Sunday show.
So now if there's a call that's egregiously wrong, they
can pick up the flag. They can never throw a
flag down with replaces, they can only pick it up.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
But if a.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Ref or if a call is for a face mask
or a horse caller or anything.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Roughing the pass, roughing the passic kicker.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
And it's wrong, then that will be fixed.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Progress.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
I love, Yes, expand away. Let's continue to expand. And
I know there's folks out there that it's like, oh,
Patrick's arguing against rest having jobs. No, I just want
to see them in like an executive role in that
when you see executives and don't necessarily know what they do, like,
that's what I would like refereeing to be like.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
And all executives have assistance, and.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
That's what this is like to be like the umpire
in tennis, for instance. At this point, because everything is electronic,
you're not really sure what they do. Although when they
went electronic that did cost a lot.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Of people jobs, but there are still a lot of
subjective calls that replaces will never assist.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Yes, I don't think they're ever going to go back
to pass interference being part of that. Touchbacks will be
taken out to the thirty five yard line, So that's
exciting if you send a touch back a lot more
kickoff returns.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Exactly because when it was at the thirty before, the
average drive start was at the twenty nine they found,
so that was just like a one yard difference.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Now it will be a six yard difference. That's huge.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Kylie is so prepared for the rules part of the
show that I just feel like we're in the way.
I kind of want her to lead the way and
I know you're so unprepared for the rest of the show.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I want you to cook. I want you to cook now.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
No, It's like it's like, you know, for my Celtics
when Sam Howser comes off the bench, like get him
his yea, his ten to three point attempts in the
eight minutes that he's in the game, and then.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
This will incentified teams to force kickoffs.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I am excited about that. Was that was a really
good rule.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I also notice they changed the overtime rules and now
both teams get the ball, but overtime is gonna stay
at ten minutes. They had originally said they'd expanded to
fifteen minutes, but they're going to keep it at ten minutes.
But both teams get the ball now in regular season overtime.
I'm I'm fine with this, but I think there could
be repercussions, like what what like more ties?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
It's just encouraging more ties.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Not that there's like gonna be a flood of ties,
but if the average amount of ties per year, and
I have no idea what it is, I would guess
it's about one.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
If that in I like double, you know, I don't
think so, you don't think so it might go to
like two.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I feel like, yeah, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Just because now both teams get it and you're going
to run out of time.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
That's fine as long as right, because if since the
rules are consistent now from a regular season to the postseason,
and regular season games do impact the postseason, it's what
makes the most sense.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
But they're not consistent. This is not consistent the regulation
in the regular season, it'll be ten minutes and then
the game's over. So take yourself back to the Super
Bowl between the forty nine Ers and the Chiefs. The
forty nine Ers have that long field goal drive which
took forever. Now they might have played it even differently.
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They probably would have tried to take as much time
off it as possible. Then the Chiefs get the ball.
They would have only had if it was a regular
season game, a couple minutes to go drive down the field.
They probably would have been having to play faster and
probably would have had a field goal attempt.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
But although you really never know, the whole world would
be different.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I'm saying if that was a regular season game, if
it's a postseason game, then you can just play play
it forever.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Well, okay, also, a tie. It sucks when you're watching
the game. It sucks if you're playing the game. But
at the end of the year, when all of the
seating and the records mean something extra, those ties are
good for teams.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I don't hate the tie as much as other people.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Know.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
There's this group of people who do this performative Oh
I hate ties. It's like it's bad, it's just the worst.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Thing, Like, oh, I hate a tie in real time.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
But I would prefer to have a winner to the game.
But when we're like grinding people in the pulp, you know,
thirty minutes after the game, it's like, okay.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Plus it brings about the worst cliche in sports, which
is that it's like kissing your sister.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
I don't just why why that should be banned? Not
the touch push?
Speaker 5 (21:45):
Who brought Who made that original?
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Because I mean there's a whole lot of people who
are just you know, they can't have an original thought,
and they just repeat things that they heard. Yeah, but
who's the first person to say that? Because I have
some questions.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah, maybe it's like kissing your sister on the cheek.
Is that okay?
Speaker 5 (22:01):
That's fine? No, they the implication is not cheek.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
That's not good.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I don't like any of it.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Our research department, led by Eric Roberts and Chris Bobona,
say that we've had five ties since twenty nineteen. Okay,
so that's in six seasons. So my one per year
was about right.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
How many did we have last year?
Speaker 3 (22:20):
None? We actually haven't had any since twenty two.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, but that's just random, you know, there was there
was two and twenty two, and then one in nineteen
twenty and twenty one.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
So we've had a little while.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
The last tie was Commander's Giants back in twenty two two.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
It's East of Them.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Edgar rip Miller in nineteen forty six is credited with
the Kissingers.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I love I love how absolutely random this show is.
Let's us wrap the rules part of it, and then
we're going to take a little break. The NFL shortened
the time necessary to flex a TNF game. It used
to be four weeks, now it's three weeks. Not really
that important. The lion idea to eliminate automatic first downs
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for holding calls doesn't pass. Dan Campbell wasn't totally giving up,
said it had a little support in the room, but
that did not happen. Teams can now wear throwbacks four
times a year.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I love it. Three.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
I like that throwbacks if you wear them eight times
in two years, though, just just make that the uniform.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
And then this isn't This isn't a rule, but I
just thought I would put it here at the beginning
of the show because it affects us the most.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
We're playing a triple header on Christmas. Now, have you
heard about this? Two?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Netflix games and one Amazon Prime game. Now it's I
don't know if it's going to be annually, but this
is a Thursday, it's traditionally a football day.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
They're loading up. We've gone from one to two to three.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I hope there's four next year.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Yeah, oh wow, maybe it's the late November birthday. But
I've always loved Thanksgiving and so making everything Thanksgiving is better,
and so now we get it on Christmas without like
the genocide denial, and so that's cool.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Do you usually work it?
Speaker 5 (23:58):
No? Not Thanksgiving all co work.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Two different perspectives here. Thanksgiving, though, you get stuck working.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
But yeah, league guy, everything thinks.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Oh yeah, more football, more football.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
We don't need.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Holidays with our families.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
No, no, no, no, we want to spend holidays here right here,
or at the game.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Facts.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yes, I'm always in support of more football in generously,
I famously was the originator of the idea that we
should just play two games a day for the entire Nflcon.
They made up a whole mox schedule and actually he
there's no days off. That was before I had my
second child, and I've now come a lot around, So
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that's a bad idea.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Greg you really did this and you really thought about it. Yes,
and really picture was over and this this was.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Over a decade ago. I thought two games a day.
We just spread it out. Yeah, everyone's excited for every game.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Then every day is football. Now every day is a Sunday.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
So look forward to Christmas. Yeah, I just it's a lot.
It's a lot to make that such an NFL day.
I have mixed feelings. I do have mixed feelings.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
I kind of I like a if we're gonna have
a Christmas slate, I feel like one game is.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Good, I'm kind of with you there, and yet more
football we'll be covering it here.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Oh yeah on NFL Day.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I have a little bit of mixed feelings on Christmas
in general, because my family leaves me for it, and
so I have to pretend that Christmas they leave you
every year is the weekend before. Yes, And then everyone
hears that, and then they get bummed out by it,
and then they.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Start like, oh, you should come over to do this.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I think, no, no, it's fine, And so I actually
thought like it was kind of like a nice free day.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I have been on that side where I'm like come over.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, no, and it's fine, I'm just it's but now
that there's football, it's like, okay, you can't even just
chill and go to like a movie with like a
movie or just whatever. You got to kind of watch them.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
As long as they don't touch Christmas Eve, I'm good
they do.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
They do.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
We had a Christmas A Network game a few years ago,
hopefully three games on Christmas. Looking forward to Eric, I
hope you're ready Christmas night. We're doing the show.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
He stays ready, so he doesn't get ready right now.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Let's take a quick break. We're going to come back.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
We're going to talk about all the NFC coaches they
talked at the Coach's Breakfast, one of the more random
annual traditions. And yes, we're going back into that escape
room with the Giant.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yes we are.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Previously on NFL First Dates, Jamis Winston and the Giants
are in the heart of the Lower east Side at
NFC East Escape, the kind of place you find on
a damp, gloomy night, next to an abandoned warehouse covered
in graffiti. Inside the escape room, an unforgettable night is unfolding. Jamis,
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ever the showman, leads a captive audience through the Dallas Chamber.
Here distractions abound, limits are tested, and the photosensitive will
not survive. It's a first date with grave consequences. Flashing lights,
pom poms, and ear splitting country music fills the space
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as the group desperately tries to solve star shaped puzzles.
In the far corner of chaos, Little Jordan Humphrey unlocks
a hidden compartment. Click, the room goes silent. Chauncey Golston gasps.
A holographic projection of Jerry Jones splashes the wall. His
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message will change the course of this evening. Beads of
sweat begin to form on Tommy DeVito's face. The long
hots at dinner where a bad idea Jamis grabs Tommy
by the shoulders and tells him to stay focused. Suddenly
the room feels smaller. It's getting warmer and more difficult
de breathe. As time ticks on, Jerry speaks in cryptic code,
(28:05):
saying things like we're all in stats are for losers,
and I tried to get us what I thought was
the equivalent of a romo with Quincy Carter. In the
third round, he ends the odd rant with four words,
The future is calling A phone rings next to Brian Daball.
(28:31):
He doesn't answer because he doesn't yet know who's calling
the plays next season, Jamis springs into action to.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Take the call.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
He's in full control right now until he hears the
voice on the other end. The glint in his eye
immediately disappears. The call is coming from inside the house.
An unexpected addition to the room, A hidden door swings
open to reveal the sly grin on Russell Wilson's face.
(29:05):
Heard you guys were doing some divisional bondage, I mean bonding,
his voice echoing through the room. Mind if I joined
the party, Party, Party, Just a little friendly competition to
be continued.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Brilliant.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Time ticks on, keeps on ticking. Will they get out
of the escape room? I don't know if they're going
to get out of the NFC just.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I don't know either. I don't know if Davill ever
gets out.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
It sounds like they had firm leadership.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
But now stability is completely right too.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Many cooks.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Also just excellent writing in so many different ways, but
also picking the three funniest names you could from the
Giants Chauncey Golston, Little Jordan Humphrey and Tommy DeVito. So
it's just that's great little huh. It's the small touches.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah, Chauncey Golston came from Dallas.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
That makes sense too.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
But just words, Wow, we're gonna have to make me
a weekly segment of calling visits go to the Eagles section. Oh,
speaking of which, what a transition. Let's talk about Nick Sirianni.
So we talked toush Push earlier. But just in terms
of the team, there were a couple of little nuggets
and you know, I'm diving deep.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
So most of these we can be quick on.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
But just some of the nugs that came out from
the coach's breakfast on Tuesday morning. And yes, it's very
early when they start this. He was asked about Dallas
Godter and he said, right now he's on our team.
We'll see what happens and how that happens, and that
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door is not just back open. That answer makes me
think Dallas Goddard's not going to be on the Eagles
unless they're playing some sort of hardball publicly. They don't
get the benefit of him not being on the Eagles
financially until after June first, So maybe that's part of it,
or maybe they're trying to work out a trade. But
very interesting.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Is how he trying to get like an extra draft
pick here, maybe a fourth rounder or something.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
Yeah, just a few more shots at the barrel. But
I wonder you get diminishing returns at some point because
Dallas Goddard's skill set isn't just readily available. Yeah, there,
and there's no answer that's currently on the team.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Right And I had such a good streak of tight
ends in Philadelphia, zach Ertz before that, even Brent Selleck.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
And he can still play, but he has struggled to
stay on the field. So I think that's that's where
it's at. And then making decisions. And Howie Roseman was
asked about it too, and he just said, there's no update.
You know, how he's been a tremendous player, and they
signed guys Harrison Bryant, Kylie grantson. But now I'm kind
(31:48):
of combining how he comments. And he had another quote
I wanted to talk about, but I think it should
be married with this Goddard deal. He says, quote, we
are incomplete right now. Talent Act quisition season has just started.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Oh season SZN I mean, and it was pointed.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Out on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I believe this was from Zach Berman as well, getting
a lot of pop on this show that at this
time three years ago when they were last at the Breakers,
how he said something similar. And after that part of
the off season, they.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Traded for a j.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Brown, they traded for Chauncey Gardner Johnson, and there was
another big off season move that I'm forgetting about off
the top of my head, but the point being they
brought in Oh it was James Bradbury bringing him as
a free agent who ended up playing a big role
for them. And that makes me think, Okay, I've been
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talking about the Eagles have been weirdly quiet this offseason,
just picking around the margins. I thought they might push
to the middle of like let's really go for it.
And now I'm kind of circling draft weekend. I'm thinking
about Dallas Gotter. He could be part of this as
part of some trades that they still have some significant
moves to make.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
He's basically saying it, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Mean, he's there. It's no secret though.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Also everyone expects the Eagles and Howie Roseman to make
a splash and make moves before the draft. That's what happens,
That's what they do. But it is a strange strategy.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
There's two tight ends with a first round grade that
might be available at thirty two, where that could ultimately
determine how they go and maybe them maybe the draft
is what explains the right now and.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
There's a couple good those second round tight ends two
or Mason Taylor might be a guy they look at
as a guy you would take in the first round,
or Elijah Arroyo.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I would assume that.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
They will trade out of that spot so someone else
can hop in there and get the rights to like
a quarterback or something that they want to just take
a flag on. I feel like that always happens with
the last spot in the first round.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
I would doom Jackson Dart. If somebody comes up and
makes a trade with Howie at thirty two right and Dart,
that would spell disaster.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Maybe maybe Nick was just like a little sweaty, it's
early in the morning and stuff, But just that the
tone in the way he was answering this, I now
kind of expect Dallas got it would not be on
the ego side.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Now that you're now that you've put it into that
perspective and seeing his photo and seeing that he maybe
didn't look like he was at one hundred percent himself
now now that it has even more truth to him.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Art Rooney, the second UH, spoke to reporters on Tuesday
and was a little more revealing on the Aaron Rodgers front, saying,
we keep hearing that he's headed in our direction, and
so it seems to be that all signs are positive
so far dot dot dot, and that the Steelers will
(34:52):
quote wait a little while longer, but not forever, that
they'll only have to wait a little while longer.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
He's basically saying this thing happening.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
This is almost like the boss revealing more than the
guys underneath of Mike Tomlin or their GM wanted to.
But he's basically assuming Aaron Rodgers is going to be
on the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
I feel like he's just looking at his phone waiting
for the text to come through, Like this is like
someone who is just sort of checking their phone every
five minutes to see if this person texted them.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yet No, still not there. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
It's giving that it feels like everybody has been very
careful on every step of the process, and this feels
like the dangerous move where everybody is on tiptoes and
you have to abide by the rules of this person
who could do anything. You don't know what This person's
a wild card. You don't know how they're going to
make the decision or what's going to play into it,
so you don't want to mess up. And when you're
the person who ultimately is making the decisions in art
(35:47):
roomy the second you can say things like this, I'm
just concerned that the habitual line stepper that's involved that
we're discussing, who people are afraid to criticize because they
don't know what he's gonna do. How's how's he going
to react to like, Oh, you're expecting it. Oh well,
nobody tells me what to do, right that that would
be market.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
And if you're already dealing with that, like is this
really the relationship you want?
Speaker 5 (36:10):
Set a date? He should set a date.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Oh, a deadline is great, because I'm wondering if at
this point Aaron Rodgers is just asking for concessions from
Arthur Smith or like, what what is happening?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Who knows? Uh, we'll put a pint on it. More
on this topic on Wednesday show. I'm actually going to
have Dave damashek on the program you are, and we
are going to just present the case of why the
stealers shouldn't do this.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
What about Fruit of the Year, Well, I'll ask.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Him about how that's shaping up. So fu So thanks,
before it's too late. We had we had to move
this show up. Uh wait that your very first podcast.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
For the NFL.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
It was on It was on the DDFP. Okay, I
owe this headset to check.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Actually, when I auditioned for NFL Network, he was the
person that was sitting at the desk with me while
I auditioned.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
So he was like the faux analyst.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
And he was obviously instrumental in getting Yeah, I wouldn't
be here off the ground around the NFL podcast off
the ground too.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
So he's the best. Everyone.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Check out his latest YouTube video by the way, for
Dan Levatard's show. It's it's outstanding. You'll find it there
on Chick's page. All right, let's go through this. Not
a lot of other huge headlines, but when we're talking Steelers,
it made me think of DK Metcalf and Dave Canalis
volunteered to kay Adams on her show that they were
in on on DK metcalf. There was some reporting about that,
(37:32):
but she asked him about like, hey, what about Tyreek
Hill and he was like, well, we were in on DK.
There were some interesting conversations there. He also then said, well,
but we've got Xavier Laguette. We think he could be
that guy. And when talking about the number eight overall pick,
he says, we have to address defense. They were dead
last in defense, so kind of tipping his hand there.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
I do wonder.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Though, I think this tyreek Hill situation is bubbling as
a possibility, and I would put the page Anther's near
the top of the list of a team just crazy
enough to do it.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
I don't know it would be crazy. It would be
who's willing to make the biggest financial investment in Tyreek
Hill at this point.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yes, I'm not saying crazy or even desperate, but I
do think there's a risk rewards situation with Tyreek Hill
that wasn't there as much for the Dolphins in that
his age and the money, you know, and potential decline
with everything else, and by everything else, I just think
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he takes management as a as a star receiver potentially
on the decline Tyre.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
I just can't picture Tyreek Hill in Carolina with that
team and the way that they play, and his personality
in general.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
I do think you would fill.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
With Bryce Young though, like Bryce Tua, like a lot
of yards after the catch, like I could see that it.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Could go great, could also really blow up.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
I kind of want I kind of want to see
Tyreek out out of that offense at this point. If
in Miami after twenty twenty five, I'm I'm willing to
be done with they with this edition of the Miami Dolphin.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Okay, everyone working there disagrees, but I know what you're saying.
Raheem Morris was talking about kirk Cousins. He just was like,
we really want him to be our backup, but if
it's good for both of us, we would like to
see a trade happen. We're kind of expecting a trade
to happen by Draft day. I mean, on draft weekend.
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Would you look forward to Colleen kirk Cousins Week one
starter Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Oh, that's interesting because last year I'm thinking about how
night one of the draft, kirk Cousins was on the
mind of everyone when the Falcons drafted a quarterback in
the first round. And so if that happens again, that
would be really interesting for Kirk Cousins. It doesn't make
me all of a sudden think that the Browns are
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going to be good.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
If Kirk Cousins is there.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
No, and I'm checking this schedule, they're not on the schedule.
I would like to see like a Falcons revenge all
the Falcons Browns. Yeah, that would be a good So
it would it be revengeful I don't pay me so
much money and not telling me, well, you're going to
draft Michael Pennox right, and then benching me when I
clearly couldn't move.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
So, but if Draft Knight is the idea with the
Browns picking too, wouldn't it incentivize the Browns to do
this before Draft Knight?
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Not if they have sort of a tacit agreement that
Kirk wants to get past the draft and make sure
that they don't take a quarterback, and and that's the
whole idea, and you trade.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Them on dra date maybe they're waiting, and yeah, you
trade them for some more fifth rout pick, And so
that's happens in D three.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
I don't know, it should be fine Todd Bowles I
thought was interesting, said they really needed to draft a cornerback.
Mike Rabel said that you got to see Will Campbell,
who's a potential number four overall pick, as a left tackle.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
How can you not see him?
Speaker 5 (40:50):
That's that's what you gotta do.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Yeah, I guess it makes sense, but people are.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
Yeah, it is a silly idea where it's like, oh, well,
if it's not worth just put him at guard tackle.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Matt Lafleur in them left tackle News says their first
round pick from a year ago will compete at left tackle,
and confirmed Elkton Jenkins is going to play at center.
They think he could be an all Pro center. He's
bounced around all over that offensive line. This one My
only interested interests me what is it? But in Judy Batista,
I think she's with me on this, this historical stuff
(41:20):
that we get into. They have now decided the NFL
that All American Football Conference stats will count towards NFL stats.
Can anyone in either room tell me what the All
American Football Conference is. I should have prepped you on this,
but I didn't any idea, any idea. It was a
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league that merged with the NFL, but not the AFL.
It was back like in the late forties into fifty
that merged with the NFL. And I believe you know
there's a number of teams that still exist from the
afcaf Discussia.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
He absolutely would.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
I miss Wes, he's so much knowledge on this.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Okay, So the AAFC was eight teams at the time,
the NFL was ten teams at the time. They forced
a merger, and from that merger, the Cleveland Browns were born. Well,
they were already there winning titles with Paul Brown back
in the AFC. The San Francisco forty nine ers come
from that, and then the New York Yanks, which eventually
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I believe became the Giants.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Also using baseball team shout out to the Los Angeles Dons.
Did not know that that was a team.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
What we need to find merch and they.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Play at the college they played at the coliseum literally
still exists. But the big takeaway from this for me
is that Paul Brown now gets like twenty seven more wins,
so he moves up the all time coaching list.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
He's now up to number seven.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
A lot of people would say maybe the most important
person if you had to choose one in the history
of football, Bill Belichick would say Paul Brown would be
the most important one, at least in terms of the NFL,
like in terms of modern and then this one is
the one. I like Marion Motley, who is also Belichick's
favorite all time player, a running back full back with
the Browns, is now the all time leader in yards
(43:09):
per carry, not counting quarterbacks like Lamar and Michael Vicker
ahead of them, but in terms of running backs, Mary
and Motley. So I just thought, if you want to
know about football like that, that's that's something. Let's talk
a little bit about Micah Parsons. As we were taping,
Jerry Jones spoke about Michael Parsons's contract situation. Michael Parsons
(43:30):
then quickly responded on Twitter, let's listen to Jerry Jones.
Speaker 7 (43:34):
The agent is not a factor here of something to
worry about. And I don't know his name, awful And
so my point is that I'm not trying to domeaning
in any way, but just saidn't about an agent. The
agent doesn't have one thing to do with what we're
(43:55):
doing when we get on a football field against the team. Condo.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
There it is Jerry Jones and I are on the
same execs. Since the agent is not an issue in
this what's what's the prohibiting factor?
Speaker 1 (44:12):
I I don't know, But that agent is David Mullagetta,
who is the most powerful agent I would say in
the NFL, one of the most powerful people. I would say,
Jerry knows his name in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
That's two.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Well, it could go both ways. Maybe not right.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
I don't know. He might he might be saying that
to make a point, which I would love, or you know,
so petty, he might just be getting up there. Michael
Pyson's responded uh on Twitter, sayting facts, David is the best.
I will not be doing any deal without him involved,
like anyone with good sense. I hired experts for a reason.
There's no one I trust more. There will be no
(44:51):
back doors in this contract. Like, uh, I don't even
know what that means. How that is responding to the thing.
But Jerry Jones that was it's pretty disrespectful, I guess,
or just ignorance, I don't know, Or.
Speaker 5 (45:04):
It's a proper analysis of the way that the system works. Yeah,
you know. David Mugiletta is an employee of Michael Parsons,
who's gonna harvest three percent of his earnings or between
one and three percent. I don't know. I don't know
exactly what he's paying paying them for.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yeah, I wasn't planning to bring this up either, but
it's mullagedda day. Apparently across the national media. On First
Take this morning, they were talking about Jimmy Haslm's comments
They're the Browns owner about essentially how you know they
had the big swing and a miss with Deshaun Watson.
And as they were talking about that in context, all
(45:41):
the hosts and it was Stephen A. Smith, Shannon Sharp,
and Ryan Clark all went out of their way to
praise David Mullagetta and saying what a great job that
David Melageda did negotiating that contract. And they're all laughing
about it and saying, like, what an amazing job that
he did in that scenario. And so I do want
(46:02):
to point out what he did in that scenario was
essentially get the entire media landscape to stay quiet about
how much the sexual assault allegations were going to affect
the rest of Deshaun Watson's career and kind of like
look past that as a factor in what a contract
would be and convince the Browns to sign a sexual
(46:25):
predator for two hundred and thirty million dollars, not only
ruining their franchise because he was not good at football anymore,
but because of all those allegations and the endless kind
of court battles that he was in and the suspension
that kept him away from the game, you know, potentially
affected not only himself and how his career is basically over,
(46:49):
but also made it a miserable experience to root for
the Browns or play for the Browns or be employed
by the Browns for three years. And those three guys
are all laughing and saying what a great job the
agent did, But also there was a great job.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
There were teams lining up for this, So the Browns
were just the ones that ended up with him, but
it could have been.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
The Saints, yeah, or the Falcons.
Speaker 5 (47:15):
Yeah. It honestly gives Mugalletta too much credit that the
landscape was fine with Deshaun Watson coming back. That's how
he came back. As Jimmy Haslam said, we'll give him
credit for saying the thing he wanted him ultimately, and
Mugalletta had a player who was in what we thought
was the problem of his career, who was an actual
free agent and had the leverage in that situation. There
(47:37):
were there were other agents. I would argue that I right,
in that position, we could have negotiated a a guarantee.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
What a plot to us that would be if you
became an agent, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (47:46):
It would be. And unfortunately I would have to tell
the people the truth that the player is the person
who's actually providing the labor. And if a team is
interested in the services of the player, then they could
contact the player and make the deal without me. Right.
But yeah, I'll take I'll take money. But this idea
that he was necessary in that way. Too many people
were willing to give to shop lots of money.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Sure, but also all these years later, this is an
ultimate example of the classic tweet that you do not,
under any circumstances, got to hand it to them. You
do not have to hand it to Dave David mullagetto
what what he did in that moment. He was He
was not ultimately in service of his client, like any
(48:28):
any of it was not a good.
Speaker 5 (48:29):
Job or any client right where the league is now
going to be more reluctant to give a player full
of guaranteed contract specifically because of this situation. It may
have got for business, it may have set everybody back.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
Well, that was a detour I didn't expect to make
a necessary one as Yeah, a very annoying thing to
see this this morning, truly to stop.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
Uh, let's just wrap with a couple of little little nuggets.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Kyle Shanahan said theyre going to bring in a kicker
to compete with Jake Moody, So you're you're on watch.
Jed Yorke, their owner, said that they're not far apart
on brock Purty contract talks.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
Okay, so that's good.
Speaker 5 (49:05):
That's that agent is working out.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
I don't want that to the last all offseason. Then
some contract extension talks depending on the source or These
were mostly from GM's and coaches, Derrick Henry, Terry McLaurin,
Kyrin Williams of the Rams, Terry McLaurin of course with
the Commanders, Henry with the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
They all might be getting some.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Contract extensions. I would sign you guys to contract extend
if I could, well, thanks Greg, and not even take
three percent. This would have been the crew last season.
If you're a real NFL Daily completist, then you listen
to all the shows and your interest in this sort
of minutia. Originally the show was Colleen Patrick and myself,
(49:48):
I believe, on Wednesdays, but scheduling didn't work out, and
then you ended up doing Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
But it would have been a great show.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
It would have been great. It could be still, it
could still be.
Speaker 3 (49:58):
Like it is.
Speaker 5 (49:58):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Are you rout like politicking for the schedule next year?
Speaker 3 (50:04):
No, right now, I'm not.
Speaker 5 (50:06):
I just want to have one.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
These are the things. Yes, yes, same, same, same same.
It's in the titles.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Love football, We love our jobs.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
So they have to do. You want to keep it,
they have to keep it going. But Tuesday is just
a natural fit for you. It is Wednesday.
Speaker 5 (50:20):
You know.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
We love having you here on Tuesday, though, Patrick, appreciate you.
Speaker 5 (50:23):
Glad to be here.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
We uh thank Jordan right rig of the yeah for
joining us as well.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
I hope for armas Okay, her shoulders must be burning.
Speaker 5 (50:31):
Yeah, she's gonna have to balance that out.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Everyone in the research department in the back to Christy
Stapleton is here. Yes, we will be back on Wednesday
with Dave Damaschef. Yeah, when we're when we're going over
like Mulagetta for the million time.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
You know, football's pat
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